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Right, here we go.

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Debbie, listen, thanks.

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Thank you so much, first of all, for sending me your book, The Deep State Business.

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Man, that's heavy reading.

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That's heavy reading.

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I'm going to start off by asking you, can we please do this in two parts?

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I would love to have you back.

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And at the end, let's fix a date in the next four to five weeks,

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because I think there's too much to talk about here.

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And if it's okay with you, I'd like to talk about chapters one,

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two, and three-ish in this episode, and then maybe four, five in the second episode.

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Sure.

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There's just too much to cover.

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To be honest, you could probably pack in four, five podcasts.

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I don't mind, actually.

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That's all I need.

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But there's just a lot of information.

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And the thing is, my way of looking at things is always saying to people,

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especially when they want to promote their book,

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the more you give information out, the more likely someone's going to buy the book.

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Don't be worried about going through the details,

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because some people just want to skim over it, and then people don't really get invested.

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And the more you give, the more you will receive.

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So if you can really get into the book, that'd be great.

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But starting off, there's a couple of things.

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For example, The Forward, Jeffrey Tucker from Brownstone Institute.

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You just wonder why that guy, that Indian guy, whatever his name is,

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why did he ring?

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Rajiv.

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Yeah, Rajiv.

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Why did he ring Jeffrey Tucker?

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And how did he know these vaccines were going to come very quick?

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I mean, that's in the foreword.

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You could easily just skim it.

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But that, to me, is a bombshell, right?

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Number one.

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And then number two, you talk about in chapter one,

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the global biodefense, public partnership,

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you know, military industrial complex business.

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We need to go into that.

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But what's really important is like 9-11, 2001,

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wasn't just the war on terror and, you know,

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the Iraq war and Afghan war and Osama bin Laden.

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It was those anthrax letters, which were so bizarre at the time.

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And you're like, what?

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And it's been proven that that anthrax came from the U.S.

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Army Biodefense Laboratories.

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And they pinned it on a guy called Ivan,

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who happened to die of suicide in 2008

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before, yeah, inverted commas,

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suicided before the court case even started.

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And now the reason why this is relevant, Debbie,

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I just want to quickly tell you something is,

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I'm telling you, you know, I've been a doctor 25, 26 years.

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I know all about paracetamol overdose.

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I've seen it when I was working in ER.

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People who overdose on acetamol,

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was it, you guys call it in America?

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Tylenol.

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Tylenol, yeah.

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But we call it paracetamol, Tylenol, paracetamol.

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No one who knows how to really die chooses to die

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with a Tylenol overdose.

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One, it's very difficult to do that.

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Two, they can put charcoal and make you vomit

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and, you know, try and absorb it and get rid of it.

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Three, if you are successful,

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it is the most painful way of dying ever.

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Like, it's slow.

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It's agonizing.

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It's not nice.

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Like, so if you've got even two brain cells together

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and you want to kill yourself,

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that is not the number one choice.

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It's not number two, three, four, or five choice

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of how you want to kill yourself.

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So how's this guy who's supposed to be a scientist,

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laboratory, you know, PhD, whatever,

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smart cookie guy, choosing to kill himself

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with acetamol, you know, paracetamol.

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And the funny thing is, when they found him,

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apparently he was unconscious.

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I can tell you right now,

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people who overdose on paracetamol

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are very rarely unconscious.

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Maybe if they take an alcohol and something else,

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it might be unconscious.

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But they're not unresponsive.

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So to me, I ran this by my wife.

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She's a doctor as well.

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I was like, what do you think of this?

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She was like, it's a little rubbish.

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I was like, yeah, right?

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So, you know, the fact they found this person

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unresponsive, unconscious,

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and then he died of acute liver failure

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and then three days later he's dead,

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the whole thing stinks.

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That guy didn't kill himself.

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Like, that's proper deep state

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CIA bullshit going on there.

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Anyway, I wanted you to get that off my chest.

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The mic is over to you now.

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Thank you, Dr. Malik.

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First of all, thank you so much for having me.

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It's really an honor to be here.

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I admire your work.

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You are one of the few people that I can listen to

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and not feel like my brain is being polluted

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with lies and propaganda.

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And that is really very, very rare.

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So thank you.

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I'm so happy that you said what you said about Ivins.

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And the reason I'm happy that you open with that,

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even though it's so random,

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is that I've been having a discussion about that

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with someone who is supposed to be on our side

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and who claims that he committed suicide.

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And I said exactly, my husband is a doctor.

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So I have the same exact experience as you.

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I looked at it and I said, that doesn't make any sense.

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And then I asked my husband, he said,

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no, you don't, you can't commit suicide.

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Or it's extremely difficult to commit suicide

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on what we call Tylenol

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because it doesn't happen right away.

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It takes a few days.

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They can purge, they can get it out of your system.

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And then this person tried to claim that it was Tylenol PM,

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which is like a Tylenol plus sleeping pills or sleeping,

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more sleeping medicine.

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I haven't done this yet, Dr. Malik.

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And this is, it's just so such a coincidence.

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It's Malik, by the way, Malik.

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Malik, I'm so sorry.

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I call you Malik.

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It's all right.

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I was about to look up.

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When did they come out with Tylenol PM?

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Because I don't even know if they had it then,

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if it was a thing.

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And so that whole, the whole claim,

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whenever I hear anybody who claims

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that Ivan's committed suicide,

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who think who claims to be on our side

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or an insider or knowing anything

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about the bio warfare industrial complex,

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I know something's wrong

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when that person goes along with that narrative,

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because that narrative is so ridiculous and so fishy.

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So ridiculous.

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Like, it's like,

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It's totally, totally.

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Like Trump, Trump got shot and his ear got cut

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and he just suddenly magically healed.

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Like, you like, like,

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and I'm not saying these people are deliberately malicious

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and misleading.

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I just think there's a lot of stupid people out there.

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And by that, I don't mean like low IQ, right?

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And no, I just mean that they get captured

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by their own ideology, mind control, programming,

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you know, they invest their belief system

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in this cult figure or cult ideology.

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And then it's just too difficult to backtrack.

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You know, you dig yourself a hole, you climb in,

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you don't want to climb up, you know?

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So that's kind of you.

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That's kind of you because I,

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I attribute it sometimes to that.

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Many people are in that camp,

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but I also am a very,

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have become a very paranoid person.

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And so I tend to look,

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you know, I tend to do background searches on people now

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and figure out where they came from,

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what their previous positions were,

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what they were saying,

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and what they're claiming now.

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And a lot of times I see that they,

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I conclude from my research

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that they are being paid or hired

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or, you know, coerced,

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in some cases, to be gatekeepers.

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And so they, I don't know if you're familiar with

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the three camps that,

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oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.

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I'm going to break out.

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Take your time.

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No, no, take your time.

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But I'm going to, while you're thinking about that,

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I'm going to, listen, I'm like you.

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Look, I just, I was doing some cleaning today

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because I had a friend over yesterday.

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And before we started the podcast,

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he was looking at the big shelf behind me going,

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oh no, no, no, this is a complete mess.

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You need to organize everything.

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Oh my God.

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Put them in color scheme and this and that.

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And you know what, fair do's.

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And she said, look, a cluttered,

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cluttered space will be a cluttered mind.

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You need to clear everything out

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so things can come to you.

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And I was like, okay, okay.

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So I went into our house

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and we've got massive big shelf.

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And it's a mess, right?

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This kid's stuff there.

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Kid's toys, Lego pictures from three years ago.

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So I went through this massive purge this morning.

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I was cleaning, I felt like like five black bags,

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two boxes, recycle stuff,

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books to give away to the charity shop.

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Felt really great about it, okay?

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But in the months to go on the picks,

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I found cards like from five, six, seven years ago

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where people have said, hey, thanks Doc Malick.

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You saved my life, literally saved my life.

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And thanks Doc Malick.

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You know, it was the best operation ever.

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You're a brilliant surgeon.

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And it was so nice to see that.

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It was so nice to see that.

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And it was reminding me of my past life.

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And I've put it on my Instagram

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if anybody doesn't believe me

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or my subs that I've posted on notes.

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And that was my background.

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Now the thing is, I'm like you,

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like I thought in the world of orthopedic surgery

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it was cutthroat type A personality, narcissist,

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backstabbing going on, competitiveness, private practice.

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You leave that world and you come into this world.

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Man, this has been an eye opener.

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This is, whoa, whoa.

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Like people, I've realized I've got different personas.

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Like what you, they project.

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When you actually have a chat with them on the phone

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or like a private though, they're very different.

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They're not the same.

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And it's not nice.

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There's a lot of ego.

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There's a lot of arrogance.

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There's a lot of hubris.

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There is a lot of gatekeeping going on and misdirection.

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And it's got really exhausting for me to be like, what the heck?

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So I've been like, yeah, I have actually been quite wary

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and I don't get that many people on now who my alarm bells go off.

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Now in the past, I was like, no, no,

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we should give them a platform and it gives them an opportunity

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to add themselves.

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But you know what?

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I just find their energy so draining and so exhausting

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and I don't want to give them any more airtime

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than they already get.

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Does that make sense?

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So I've moved on.

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So I'm in agreement with you.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, I've gone through just a very turbulent emotional journey

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over this because I started out being a very, very traditional,

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very stereotypical liberal Democrat.

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And in the United States, I would be reading The New York

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Times and listening to NPR, which is National Public Radio,

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like the BBC.

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And I believed everything.

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I believed it.

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I believed the whole thing.

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I was, you know, I hated Trump, which I still do.

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But you know, I was very partisan at the time

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and I'm no longer partisan at all.

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I think partisanship is a sigh up.

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So I got I woke up with COVID, you know, and I for a year and a half

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just struggled locally to try to fight all the men,

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you know, all of the crazy stuff that was going on didn't work.

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So I was trying to write.

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Nobody would publish anything.

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Finally, Brownstone, the Brownstone Institute,

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which is Jeffrey Tucker, as you mentioned,

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they published my book and he wrote the forward to it.

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They started publishing what I wrote.

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And that encouraged me to actually start investigating what actually happened.

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And that's how I came to, you know, uncover all the things that I did

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and to write all the articles that became the book.

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And I thought, OK, well, all these people at Brownstone

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and in the medical freedom movement

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and the people who are opposing COVID, they understand.

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They understand like me.

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They woke up.

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They understand that the parties are fake,

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that partisanship is a Psyop that we're outside of that system

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and that we need to operate outside of that system in order to,

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first of all, in order to preserve humanity,

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in order to preserve our sanity,

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in order to work towards something better, right?

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And that we're not going to get sucked in to the Psyop anymore.

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And then they all got sucked into the Psyop again.

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Which one?

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There's so many.

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The Trump Maha.

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Well, in the United States, it's the Trump Maha Psyop.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So that's a neat.

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So all my people, the people that I work with through COVID

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and not all of them, there's a few who still are outside.

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But, you know, at the Brownstone Institute and in terms of people

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who were in the medical so-called supporters of RFK Junior,

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they all fell for the new Psyop, which is now Trump is our savior.

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And now we have friends in government.

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I thought we all understood the public-private partnership.

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That didn't go away.

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That doesn't go away, depending on who is in charge.

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That's not, doesn't change.

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You know, Trump was in charge.

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He started everything.

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He started COVID.

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He's in charge of warp speed.

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I mean, he wasn't ever in charge really,

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but he was the front man for it.

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And now we think that he's our savior.

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I just can't understand it, Doc Malik.

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I cannot understand it.

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And so I had a nervous breakdown.

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5D.

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Chest.

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5D chest.

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5D chest.

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Yeah.

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We see where that's got us the 5D chest, right?

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And so what happened was I was writing articles

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around the election, around the time of the election

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in the United States.

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We were, I was doing the same thing that I did during COVID.

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I was taking people who said that they were doing something

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like that they were public health experts,

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but actually they were bio warfare, you know,

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experts and, and, and operatives, right?

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So I uncovered a lot of that during COVID.

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And then running up to the election,

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I uncovered the people who said that they were,

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that they were freedom fighters and they,

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that they were health freedom people.

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And I uncovered that they were actually

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part of the machine, that they came from places

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that were absolutely not health freedom,

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that they were actually part of the public-private partnership

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that ran COVID and that was going to run the PsyOps forever

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and ever.

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And yet when I ran those,

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when I tried to publish those stories, I got slammed,

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slammed by the people who celebrated my discoveries during COVID.

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So they celebrated when I said,

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oh, Deborah Berks, who was the, the lead of the United States

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government's, you know, COVID task force,

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but she actually came from the biosecurity side of things,

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not from public health.

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She was not a public health person at all.

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Everybody was like, oh, wow, that's amazing.

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Yeah, there's this horrible, you know, deep state,

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public-private partnership, and, and there's all these people

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who are pretending to be public health officials,

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but they're not.

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And then I said, okay, and now there's these other people

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who are pretending to be freedom, health freedom fighters,

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but they're not.

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They're coming from the same place as Deborah Berks,

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maybe not the bio warfare,

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but definitely the deep state.

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And they canceled me basically.

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And so I got canceled by the whole left,

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all my previous friends and colleagues and whatever.

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I was doing art and the art world,

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definitely was not on my side during COVID.

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And then I lost my whole other support network,

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which I thought that we were together.

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I thought we understood what was going on.

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And I lost that again.

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And so now I feel like I'm just floating

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in the void of the few people like you,

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like my friend and colleague, Sasha Latipova,

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who I know you've had on your show and who you know,

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who actually introduced us.

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So I'm grateful for that.

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And she, you know, and so the few of us

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who are just kind of hanging out here,

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floating in what's zone, it's zone three.

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So I'm going to tell you about the three zones

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and then I'm going to try to remember.

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I'm so annoyed that I can't remember

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because it's a really fantastic British writer on Substack

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who, an intellectual who wrote a book,

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who wrote a book about COVID and propaganda.

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And I can't believe I'm blanking on his name.

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I love him.

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Anyway, he has a very, very good description

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of how propaganda works.

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And he describes three camps.

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Camp one is just the surface.

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It's where people live who are like me

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when I used to read the New York Times,

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listen to, you know, public radio.

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You just believe what you're told by the media.

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Camp three is where you and I and Sasha

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and a few other people are.

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It's like when you realize that

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that's all lies and propaganda

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and you no longer believe any of that.

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And you understand that partisanship is a Psyop

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and most of the things that you're being told

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are manipulations to make you feel a certain way,

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to make you behave a certain way

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in order to cover up what's actually going on.

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That's camp three.

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Camp two is the problem.

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So camp two is where all the gatekeepers

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are stationed so that people who wake up in camp one,

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like all of our friends during COVID and say,

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oh, wait a minute, something bad is happening here.

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They get stuck in camp two because they are,

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that's where all the secondary and more pernicious

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and more insidious Psyops are happening.

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It's like all the limited hangouts.

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Like, yeah, COVID was bad, but now Trump is da-da-da.

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But Elon Musk, he did the Twitter files.

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X is now a free speech platform.

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So that's camp two and camp two is where they catch everyone

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and prevent them from actually waking up and getting to camp three.

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So I feel like now most people are in camp two now

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who I used to be more closely affiliated with.

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And so I don't have a lot of people left here in camp three.

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So I appreciate you being here in camp three with me.

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Well, I appreciate you too.

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And I think those who are in camp three

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are truly on team humanity.

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Like, that's the definition.

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You aren't team humanity.

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You're not on team Trump.

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You're not on team Trump.

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You're not on team reform party, team labor, team Democrat.

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You're not team Christian.

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You're not team Jew.

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You're not team Zionism.

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You're not team any frickin' anything.

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You are team humanity.

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And that's so rare.

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And I, listen, it was the same over here, right?

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So you finally, you think you're alone.

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You think like no one's like you.

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And then you start getting all this information

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drip, drip coming to you.

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You start discovering new platforms

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and you start like telegramming this and that.

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And information starts going, oh my God, I'm not alone.

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There's other people I think like me.

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Then you connect with them.

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Then you speak to them.

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Then sometimes you even meet with them.

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And they're like, you know what?

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We don't trust the media.

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The media lies.

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The BBC lies. CNN lies.

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The government lies.

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They're liars.

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They're the journalists can't be trusted.

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The authorities can't be trusted.

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COVID was a hoax.

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And you're like, I love you guys.

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And then the Ukraine war comes.

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And it's like Putin's bad.

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Putin's a dictator.

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Oh my God.

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Have you seen what the news has said about him?

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And you're like, what?

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And they're like, and you know, we need to give more arms

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to the Ukrainians.

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You're like, you actually, you're supporting

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the military industrial complex now.

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You trust the media and you believe in the government.

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Like what happened to you?

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And it's like, it's like, I don't understand.

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It's like, who's taking them over their bodies?

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Like they were completely anti all of this before

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when it was related to COVID.

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Then Ukraine Russia war comes along

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and they're just establishment figures.

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And then October 7th comes along

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and it's like, I'm ass, I'm ass.

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They're evil.

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And I'm like, hold on one second.

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Israel was a test bed for COVID.

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That Netanyahu injected his population.

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They had the worst mandates and the most draconian laws.

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He treated his population like scum, you know?

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He was a tyrant.

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They had the worst COVID measures.

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They don't care about their people.

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And it's like, no, no, no.

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We now believe in Netanyahu.

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I'm like, did you know leading up to October 7th

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half the population was on the street

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like demanding that the government be overthrown?

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Like there was almost civil war in Israel.

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Like, but no, now the media is saying this.

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Now it's all bad Hamas.

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And it's like, now we're supporting a genocide

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and it's all okay.

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And you believe everything the media tells you.

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And you know, people like Max Blumenthal

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have done great work, you know, Jewish guy

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who's exposed the military industrial complex,

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the censorship industrial complex.

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And they're all liars.

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These people, the governments of all these countries

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don't give a damn about their people,

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no matter what religion or race or faith or anything.

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But the problem is, it doesn't matter.

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And then, then you get the Trump sigh up.

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Then you get the Elon Musk sigh up.

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Then you get the Nigel Frash sigh up.

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Then it's like, oh, no, we need to vote for reform.

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Oh, no, we need to trust them.

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And you go, well, what about the fact that Larry Ellison

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was in, you know, the White House on day two,

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pushing 500 billions for mRNA tech.

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And it's like, can't talk about that.

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How about the fact that reform parties now got

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a bunch of ex Tory ministers who are pushing the COVID shot

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how can you support that?

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Well, it's better than the other option.

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And that's one thing I hear or, well, what do you recommend?

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And it's like, how about we don't play?

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Like, sometimes the way you win is not to play

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because the game is rigged.

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So don't play.

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But the problem is they're, they're in their cult

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and they're in their little team mindset.

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They don't have the brain capacity to think bigger than that.

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And they're captured by this ideology.

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And then we're stuck.

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Anyway, I need to shut up.

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You need to talk, please.

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Can you talk about then the formation

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of this bio industrial complex?

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And because it's been going on for quite a long time,

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like literally 2001 decades.

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Yeah. Let me just, I just want to say the name of the person

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that I couldn't remember before is David Hughes.

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Do you know David Hughes?

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I do know David Hughes.

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Excellent. Yes.

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Yeah, he's fantastic and really smart.

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And so he's the one who came up with the three camps idea.

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I just want to give him credit for that.

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He has a lot of really good ways of framing what's happening.

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Another really good frame that he has is transnational class

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relations because that's what's happening right now.

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It's transnational and it's all about class.

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It has nothing to do with political parties

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or ideologies or anything like that.

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Okay. So as far as the bio defense industrial complex,

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interestingly, I am currently researching polio.

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Not, I didn't think I was going to.

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That wasn't something that I was interested in.

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But Sasha Latapova was doing some research on something

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and she asked me to help her find some articles

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about the people who first so-called isolated the polio

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virus in the 1930s and 40s.

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Apparently they even did it before that.

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So I started looking into it and surprise, surprise,

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the people who are credited with isolating the strain of polio.

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And I say all of these words and quotes

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because all of them I think are scientifically misleading.

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But they claim that they isolated the strain of polio

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called the Mahoney strain, which is the key strain

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that is used in vaccines.

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And it is used as sort of like the standard for polio.

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And I looked into who those people were.

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And one of them in 1941 became in charge of the mill

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of the United States Army's flu influenza

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and other infectious disease programs.

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So he became part of the military industrial complex in 1941.

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And the other guy is a mystery man

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who you can't find any information about anywhere

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who worked at a university in Michigan for like 30 or 40 years

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and only published like 10 papers.

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And we did some more digging Sasha and I

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and found out that he was definitively and self-admittedly

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hired to do work for the bio weapons program

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that FDR started during World War II.

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So the bio weapons program started at least in 1940, 1941.

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That's when we have a paper trail of it starting

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in the United States, in other countries, in Japan,

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in Europe, in place in Germany, it started before that.

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And bio weapons were used by different countries

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on different populations.

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But in the United States, it started during World War II,

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FDR commissioned a new program, which was the bio weapons program.

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And one of the guys in that program is one of the guys

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who isolated the key strain of polio.

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So polio then becomes, I think, not that they were using polio

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as a bio weapon, but the polio program,

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which basically the program was this.

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They took a disease that wasn't hurting or killing anyone

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but that had a very visually compelling effect

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on a very small number of people.

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So like people, kids had to be in braces.

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They put people in iron lungs and paraded them around the world

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to show how awful it was.

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But it had really no impact on anybody.

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And they used those visuals to create enormous panic.

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And that might sound familiar over something

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that wasn't killing or hurting anyone.

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That might sound familiar.

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And then they used that to raise enormous amounts of money

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to start treatment programs, which is great.

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I mean, they treated paralyzed kids

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and they helped a lot of people.

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That was the public side of it.

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And they also started looking at vaccines,

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which they claimed they were doing through a private foundation.

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But clearly, they were also doing it through the bio weapons program

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and the military industrial complex.

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So polio is a really good kind of precursor for COVID

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and for every other infectious disease panic

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that they've ever done.

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So they take something that's not hurting anybody

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but they make a huge deal out of it.

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It's mostly about the propaganda and the public relations.

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And they make everybody terrified

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and then governments have to get involved

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and the pharmaceutical industry has to get involved

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and all of the research institutions have to get involved

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and all the scientists have to get involved.

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Now it's really interesting

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because already in the 1940s,

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I discovered just now through this polio research,

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when they started the bio weapons program,

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I think it was like 3,000 scientists already.

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How many people are working on infectious disease?

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It's like everyone who's working on infectious disease

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at all the major research institutions

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in the United States all of a sudden becomes part of the bio weapons program.

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So they are no longer doing research that's just basic science

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or that is public health oriented.

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They are now doing research that is related to

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bio warfare and bio defense.

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And so starting in the 40s.

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And I think ever since then everything that's ever been done

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in that arena has been controlled,

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the funding and the agenda has been set by the bio warfare industrial complex.

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So then we can fast forward to anthrax,

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which as you said clearly came from a United States bio warfare research facility.

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Right, let's get back into this conversation.

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Go ahead.

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Sorry, can I quickly just go back to polio?

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So that like you said, that is the big one they talk about

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when it comes to vaccines, vaccine efficacy.

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But look, we are, you know, we cured polio.

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I mean, my dad talked about it.

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Oh, polio polio is a terrible disease in India and everything.

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And I've met people who've had polio, you know, one skinny little leg

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and he was in the finals for orthopedic surgery exams.

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You know, what is this diagnosis, blah, blah, blah.

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What can their problems be?

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So it's real that people end up with this kind of neurological problem.

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The question is what does actually cause it?

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You know, some people think it's toxin like DDT.

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Some people say it's the virus.

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Some people say it could be both.

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Some people say it's never really gone away.

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It's just been given a different name,

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Guillain Barry syndrome or whatever.

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What do you think of what's going on about polio before we move on?

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Oh, good. Yeah. That's a good question.

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So polio is a myth as defined at the story that there is a distinct clinical entity

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called poliomyelitis and that that distinct clinical entity can be separated

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from other clinical entities, particularly acute.

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Now, I'm going to forget the name of it, acute.

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Transverse myelitis and kefalitis or something like that.

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All of those things.

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But there's another one that they used in order to screen for polio.

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And basically it can't, clinically you can't differentiate polio

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from a whole bunch of other things.

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So polio, when poliomyelitis is a definition that doesn't have a clinical

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description that's different from a lot of other things.

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And so therefore if in the 19 and the early 1900s when they just called any childhood paralysis,

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which they of course then said, oh, oh, yeah, it's just children.

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It was called infantile paralysis actually acute flaccid, acute flaccid paralysis.

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Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Right. Exactly.

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Acute flaccid paralysis.

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That's exactly it.

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It is hilarious, Doc Malick, because now I'm going to, I'll rewind.

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So all the way back then when they started identifying it as an epidemic,

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which was completely weird and bizarre and didn't make any sense.

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They said, oh, there are these outbreaks.

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They didn't start happening until, you know, the 19th century when they described some

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places where some people, some kids were getting paralyzed in the same place at the same time.

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That's it. That's how they described the epidemic.

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Some kids were getting paralyzed or were having some neurological issues

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in the same place at the same time.

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Therefore, they concluded in the 20th century, oh, well, it must be a contagious disease.

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Even though they couldn't define the disease separate from a million other things,

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they had no idea what was causing the disease or it's not even a disease.

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It's just a condition.

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They said, oh, it's so strange that it's not happening.

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It's only happening in the Western world in places that are very clean and where there's

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a lot of hygiene.

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It's not happening in places that where people are, you know, have sewage flowing

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and have bad hygiene and contaminated food.

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Isn't that strange?

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Never were able to explain that.

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And then all of a sudden when they claimed to have eliminated it in the West,

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they decided that it was happening in all these contaminated places

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where people have bad hygiene and bad food.

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Even though they described it initially as being the opposite of that.

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Everything that they initially described as being polio, they then turned around

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and decided that it was exactly the opposite once they had supposedly eliminated it.

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And so the condition polio doesn't exist as a separate clinical entity.

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Okay.

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Then what causes it?

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If it's not a separate clinical entity, then all of the tests that they did

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in the like 20s and 30s where what they did was it's really, when I read it, I didn't,

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I was not expecting to find this document.

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Like, I mean, I've heard everybody, you know, argue about viruses, no viruses.

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And I don't even argue about that.

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I actually think there are viruses and I think that they can cause problems.

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But the way that they did the research back then is just unbelievable.

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So they would take somebody who had that, some kind of paralysis

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or even somebody who just lived in the same household and they would take something,

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let's say, fecal material from that person.

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And then they would run it through.

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So here's how they discovered that polio, a non-specific condition, is caused by a virus.

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They ran the fecal matter of somebody who either had it or was in the same place as people who

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had it through filters that they said were filtering out everything the size of a bacterium.

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So they knew about bacteria and they said, okay, is it a bacterium?

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We want to know.

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And they said, okay, we're going to filter out everything that could possibly be a bacteria.

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So they filtered the poop through this filter.

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They got some sludge remaining at the end that supposedly didn't have any bacteria in it.

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And they said, okay, this sludge is, let's see if this sludge contains something that makes

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somebody paralyzed.

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So they took it and they fed it to monkeys.

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And the monkeys didn't get sick.

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Nothing happened.

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So then they said, okay, well, obviously we have to inject it right into the brains of the

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monkeys because this is a neurological condition.

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So we can't actually try to infect them the way a human might get infected or we actually

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don't know.

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They didn't know.

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They were like, we don't know.

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How does it get, they still don't know.

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Is it oral?

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Is it, is it nasal?

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Is it, you know, how do you get polio?

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They didn't know.

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They did not know.

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And so they started injecting it right into the spinal cords and brains of monkeys.

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And lo and behold, when you inject sludge into the brains of monkeys, they die sometimes

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and sometimes they get paralyzed and sometimes.

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I mean, it's just, you cannot believe what the story of polio is based on.

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So when you see that and you hear people saying but polio, like when you say, well,

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vaccines don't work and they say but polio, now I understand what but polio means.

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But polio is a myth.

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It's a fiction.

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It's a complete and utter fiction.

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Okay.

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So they were injecting this poop sludge into monkey brains.

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And then the ones, the monkeys who were paralyzed by it,

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then they would take stuff from their brains and mash it up and mix it with formaldehyde

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and other things in order to so-called neutralize the virus.

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And then when you take that, what does it say?

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No, I can't read it.

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Your picture on my screen is a little bit pleasant, I can't read it.

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This book says the basic laws of human stupidity.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I've heard you mention that.

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This book is amazing.

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Never underestimate the number of stupid people in this world

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or the capacity of stupid people to do stupid things.

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Never, ever underestimate it.

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Oh, anyway, I've heard all this stuff before.

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I'm like you.

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I kind of believe that there are these things called viruses or whatever.

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I just don't believe that they cause the degree of problems that we're told.

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I don't believe that they cause contagion the way we're just described.

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And I don't believe they're toxic and lethal, like we're told.

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I kind of sit between terrain and germ.

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And I think there might be something else completely entirely as well

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that we just don't know about.

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I'm keeping a very open mind.

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But yeah, I've read about all these things

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where they take gloop and brain and squish something into their spine.

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If you did that to me, I'm sure I would get really unwell

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if you injected tup, sludge into my spine.

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And then you end up feeding the brains to someone else

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and then hope, I mean, what?

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What?

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This is science.

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Trust the science.

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Yes.

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And even, yeah, and I was talking to my husband about it,

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about the descriptions that they have of how they did things.

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Back then, the way that they prepared things and injected things,

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I mean, they didn't have the stuff that we have now, the sterile,

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the sterilization, and my husband said,

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if you inject anything except for saline into some,

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like very sterile saline, and even then,

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it can be dangerous to inject anything into the spinal cord.

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But anything other than just sterile saline,

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you're going to have problems.

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It doesn't matter what it is.

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And so they keep injecting it.

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I was going to say there's a blood pain barrier for a reason.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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To protect that space.

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And that's not how, and if there are viruses,

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which I do think there are, and I think viruses can cause illness,

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that's so far I haven't seen anything that convinces me otherwise,

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but I'm keeping an open mind.

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But even if there are, they're not injected into our brains

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with a bunch of formaldehyde and other chemicals and other garbage

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and other contaminants.

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And so the whole, so that's how,

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the story of polio is based on a disease that is not

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specific, a cause that cannot be determined.

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And a solution, so you're a solution to a problem

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that's nonspecific and a cause that's not determined.

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How is that solution actually supposed to work?

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So the vaccine for polio, which is supposedly made from

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the sludge stuff, where they supposedly isolated these strains,

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and then they go into all the different strains.

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There's a whole crazy story about the different strains of polio

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that makes absolutely no sense.

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And then the minute that they, in the 1950s,

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when they went on this big campaign to inject everybody,

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the second that that happened supposedly, that's it.

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So they went from having, now again,

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the numbers are minuscule, they are minuscule.

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So let's say at the very, very height of the worst epidemic

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in the 1950s, or the late 1940s, early 1950s,

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and surprisingly, surprisingly, Doc Malik,

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all of the epidemics, the worst ones for polio,

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happened in the United States and other countries

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where they were working on vaccines exactly at the same time.

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I don't know why.

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Why were there no epidemics of polio before, like big ones?

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Suddenly, it became like the common thing

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right when they were working on the vaccine.

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I don't know why. It's a coincidence.

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And so the minute that they, the height of it,

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I think the worst, worst, worst epidemic,

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I think there were 57,000 cases.

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Again, now cases we know is an interesting term

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that can be used in all different kinds of ways.

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And so we have no idea what they meant by cases of polio

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because when they describe polio,

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they say most people who get it are fine.

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Most people don't even get any symptoms.

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Some people get like a flu-like symptoms.

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Does that sound familiar?

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Some people, you know, get minor neurologic symptoms

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or paralysis that goes away.

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A tiny number of people get paralysis

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that doesn't go away and a minuscule number of people die.

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So at the height, height, height of the worst, worst epidemic

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in the United States, 50,000 cases.

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So that's out of like hundreds of millions of people

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and a few thousand deaths.

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So based on a few thousand deaths

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for a nonspecific disease,

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from a cause that we don't identify,

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that we can't identify,

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from that we get to where we are now,

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which is we, every country has to be certified

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as being polio-free by doing epidemiological research

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where they look for acute flaccid paralysis.

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You're not going to believe this.

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I mean, it's just, it's, the stupidity is hard to fathom.

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And it's all in scientific papers and in the WHO

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and in the European Union and in the United States,

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all of the CDC and all of the, you know,

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public health agencies, they have these things.

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If one child has polio, all children are in danger.

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Unbelievable.

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Polio never affected anybody.

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And that's what they're doing now.

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And so now they're spending billions and billions of billions

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and billions of dollars to make sure

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that they're continuing to vaccinate

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the entire world constantly for polio,

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a disease that they can't, that is undefined

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from a cause that we don't know,

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using a vaccine that we don't even know what it's,

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what it's targeting.

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That's polio.

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That's amazing breakdown, Debbie.

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Seriously.

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And what you've reminded me is that

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one of the things I realized as a surgeon

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and studying going for medicine was

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the incredible capacity for medics and scientists

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to conjure up nothing.

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Yes, yes.

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Like conjure up something out of nothing,

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like literally making mountains out of mohills.

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But in such an eloquent, flowery language

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that builds this house of cards,

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this very impressive world that they conjure up.

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But actually, if you're any good at reading

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between the lines, you realize it's all bullshit.

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It's all bullshit.

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I remember during COVID, like reading articles

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and so-called scientific papers and public health policies

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that were quoting.

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The Imperial College would be quoting, for example, the who.

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And the who would then reference Gavi.

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Gavi would reference back to the who.

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And then Imperial College would be citing this

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as a scientific reference.

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And all it was, was an opinion by the who

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with massive conflicts of interest,

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all the people who wrote it were working with Gavi

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or being funded by Gavi or the Wellcome Trust.

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And the people at Gavi are being funded

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by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and this and that.

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And basically, everybody's patting each other's back.

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Everybody's scratching each other's back.

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And then everybody's like, you know, just referencing each other.

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And then they produce this document that's scientific.

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And it appears like it's peer reviewed.

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But actually, if you look at the nitty gritty,

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the nuts and bolts of it, it's the bullshit.

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It's bullshit.

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And so much of medicine,

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so much of, it's all right, so much of,

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but turn it off now, turn it off silent.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So much of the scientific research medical papers

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is built on assumptions on flowery language, conflicts of interest.

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And you can, you can find a medical paper

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or a research paper to basically back any position that you have.

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So if you believe in this, you'll find a paper to justify it.

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If you don't believe in this, you'll find another paper to justify it.

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But it's just, it's just nonsense.

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But I have to give it to these scientists and these medics

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and so-called experts.

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They're really good at it.

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And for the lay person, they go, oh, that's a very scientific.

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Oh, look at all that jargon.

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I don't understand that.

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And the problem is most people don't understand what jargon is.

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Every industry has its own medical language,

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it has its own language, its own jargon.

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You know, a car mechanic has jargon.

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You know, the plumber has jargon.

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If a plumber spoke to you on their jargon,

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they would be like, oh, that's very impressive.

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All they're describing is pipes, right?

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It's the same with doctors and lawyers.

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It's not actually complicated.

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But by using jargon, you hide from other people

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the knowledge and the truth.

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And then you make them ignorant

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and make yourself look more superior and intelligent.

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It's a deliberate ploy.

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So I like to keep things very simple.

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And if someone explains something to me

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that I don't understand, I blame it on them.

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They haven't made it in a presentable fashion

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that I can understand.

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And either because they don't understand

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that information themselves

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or they're deliberately withholding the information

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to mislead me or to dumbfound me

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and to give themselves this superior air,

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like look how intelligent I am.

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And it's like, yeah, don't give it to me.

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It's all nonsense.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You're so, it's so right.

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And there's a mixture of a lot of things going on there.

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So like you said, there's the ego

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and there's the stupidity

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and there's the professional wanting to be,

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like you said, wanting to be professional

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and sound professional.

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And it runs the spectrum from that

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to the intentional misleading.

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And there's the money, right?

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So once, for instance,

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and this is the example

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that I've been researching,

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once Polio started getting funded,

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it was funded by a national foundation

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that was created by Roosevelt

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and his very close advisor,

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who I think was a deep state person,

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but I haven't done enough research to prove that.

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But they created this national foundation,

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which is exactly the same

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as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation of today,

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where they poured all the money

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into institutions, researchers and projects

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that were about Polio.

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And so Polio suddenly became

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what all the researchers

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who were doing any kind of epidemiology

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or virology or anything like that,

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then they only wanted to do Polio

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because that's where the money is.

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And, you know, the same thing,

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it happens with all of these

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so-called pandemic pathogens.

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Even climate research.

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And climate research, yeah.

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So now, for example,

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if you want a research grant,

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not even in the science of climate,

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like you're in sociology,

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if you somehow reference climate into it,

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or if you're an accountant

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and you reference,

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oh, how will this affect the economics

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because of climate change,

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suddenly you're getting research money for that.

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Like, you don't even need to be

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in the science to be getting money.

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You just need to have your research project

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hinting at climate change

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and then, yeah, you're going to get money for that.

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So I know this is a major corruption of academia

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there's so many actually.

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But one of them is the funding basis

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and how you have these fads and fashions, yeah.

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Yeah. And so the money is a big part of it.

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And then what the money funds

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in the worst case scenarios,

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and this happened a lot during COVID,

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is not only does it fund researchers

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who are just in it for their careers

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and for their own advancement

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and their own ego,

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but they also fund people

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who intentionally publish things

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that are lies and that are misleading.

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So during COVID, that happened a lot.

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So there are a lot of studies during COVID

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that were intentionally misleading

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about things like hydroxychloroquine

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and the alternative treatments,

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they definitely published.

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Then they had to retract the surgery sphere,

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I'm sure you know about.

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But the ones where they lied so blatantly

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that like they actually couldn't hide it.

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And it was so corrupt

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that they actually had to withdraw it.

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Of course, nobody reported on it

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and nobody knows that it was like the biggest

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scandal in medical publishing history

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were those studies that they had to retract.

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But nobody knows about that.

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And then there were the studies

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where they started claiming, interestingly,

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that COVID causes things like

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heart problems in young people

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and all of the things that the vaccines cause.

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They started publishing lots of papers

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trying to preempt that

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and saying that they were all caused by COVID.

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And those were definitely not innocent papers.

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I mean, I think a lot of the papers

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that were published were published

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and still are and still are

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are intentionally misleading

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and untruthful.

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And so the corruption of science,

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you can be innocent about it

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and say, oh, it's just money.

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And that's bad enough.

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That's bad enough

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because you can't believe any study anymore.

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But I think it's worse than that.

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I think it's worse than that.

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I think a lot of them are actually intentionally untruthful.

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I agree.

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I mean, a lot of the here in the UK,

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you know, Imperial College, Oxford University.

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These people,

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I mean, the famous statistician modeler,

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whatever his name is, that professor,

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Niall Ferguson.

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Neil Ferguson.

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Neil Ferguson.

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I mean, he must, must know

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he's publishing a crock of shit.

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I mean, he was wrong about BSc.

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He was wrong about swine flu.

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He was wrong about all these other things.

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He's he's just wrong so consistently

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and so out of proportion,

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like crazy out of proportion.

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He is so wrong yet for every single time

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he is wrong,

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he gets promoted

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and he professionally goes up the ladder.

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Like explain that to me in any other profession.

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You name any other person

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that you literally frack up,

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waste people's money and times,

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put people's lives in jeopardy

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or whatever, kill animals by the tens of thousands

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unneedlessly

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and instead of losing your job

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or being, you know, punished for

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or whatever, you get promoted.

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And now he's like this massive professor

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with this huge department, big budget

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and he's untouchable.

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And you're just like,

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what explain that?

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So you, right?

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So you, so my conclusion from that

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is that he was paid from the beginning to do that.

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Right.

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So there's an opposite

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side of the coin to

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the stupidity of people.

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And the opposite side of that coin is

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whenever people say to me,

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everybody was so stupid during COVID.

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Deborah Birx was stupid

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and Anthony Fauci was stupid

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and they were all stupid.

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They didn't understand the science

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and they were, did bad public health

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and it was all bad public health.

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When you hear people saying

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they're all stupid

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about people like Neil Ferguson,

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who is clearly a very smart guy

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and part of the,

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and has an enormous amount of resources

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and institutional support behind him

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and was able to get to that position.

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Then I say, no, it's not because he's stupid.

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He's not stupid at all.

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He's extremely smart.

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And Anthony Fauci is one of the smartest people

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during COVID.

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He's not stupid.

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Deborah Birx is not stupid.

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None of them are stupid.

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They are intentionally,

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they are smarter than you

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because they're making you think

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that they're stupid.

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And that's a trick.

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That's a trick that they're playing

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and you have to be smart

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to play that trick on the entire world

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and to make the entire world think,

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well, maybe they were just misled,

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maybe mistakes were made,

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maybe they were just stupid.

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No, they're extremely smart,

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clever, conniving, insidious

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and we actually have to give them,

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we have to take them very seriously.

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So I take people like Neil Ferguson very seriously.

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He's a very, very dangerous person.

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