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Is that the internet's not good?

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What do you use? Riverside or something?

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Yeah, it's a really good platform.

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Isn't it?

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It is when the internet is working.

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Anyway, listen, Tim, thanks for coming.

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My pleasure. No, it is great.

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Did you enjoy lunch? Very nice.

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Yes, you do know I don't do that for most people.

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I feel honest. Thank you very much.

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We did have to rush through it, though, a bit.

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Yes, has a bit of an error on the motorway numbers.

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Yes, down here.

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It can easily be done.

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M4, M40.

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That's it.

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You don't like these zeros?

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Nah.

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Right, we're going to dive in and we're going to talk about

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lots of different things.

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You've got a couple of things you're passionate about.

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But we were talking about online behaviour.

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Right, I just leave that.

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Do you know what I'm talking about?

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Yes, I think you might be referring to my past.

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I'm going to make it so that it's past a tendency to be triggered occasionally.

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Whether deliberately or not, it doesn't really matter,

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but end up looking like a bit of a dick because I get passionate

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and I'm passionate about saving the children, you know,

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it's every minute of every day.

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And so when people appear to be,

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well, when they very cleverly press my buttons,

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I have in the past responded with less than dignity

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and made myself look a bit stupid and watered down what I'm trying to say.

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So I reckon that's what you're referring to.

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Do you know what?

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That's a big man talking there.

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You're a big man.

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And honestly,

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not most people wouldn't be able to say what you just said

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with so much frankness and honesty.

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Got a lot of respect for you.

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Well, thank you very much. I can hardly deny it.

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Well, a lot of people do.

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Yes, dude. A lot of people.

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A lot of people are would would be would struggle to deny that,

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you know, wanting to run off with a 13 year old is a bit weird.

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You know, they'll defend that.

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So what you know, a lot of people do struggle

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admitting where they've been wrong. You've seen that they'll struggle

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to admit they did the wrong thing, taking the booster.

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They'll struggle to say, oh, you know, yeah, I supported the genocide.

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Shit, that was not right.

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You know, people don't like to backtrack and admit

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where they did something wrong. So that's what I'm saying.

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You're a big man.

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I'll take it.

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There's a glass region kind of thing.

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I like big man.

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How's it going, big man?

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So, yeah, I mean, just talking about that a bit more,

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I was actually really glad to meet you in person on that protest march.

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Yeah, that was nice.

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It was nice, right?

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Because I felt your energy.

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We're all there wanting the same thing, freedom.

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And you had a big smile on your face.

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You were very personable, very warm.

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And I'll be honest with you.

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For me, it was a big contrast to your online persona.

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Like your online persona, I didn't warm to it.

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I was like, man, this guy's a bit of a dick, right?

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Like he might be right, but he's a bit of a dick, right?

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And then I met your person and I was like, man.

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Yes, he's really nice guy.

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Like he shouldn't do this.

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He should be like this online.

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And like, I'm not going to say I'm a saint.

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Look, I see stuff and people say things to me.

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And of course I'm human.

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And I want to lash out.

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And then I go, no, I'm just can't attend and just think about it.

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Like rules number one and two, don't be a dick to don't take shit.

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But letting them just mess off like that isn't taking shit.

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Just don't let it get to you.

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Because and this is what I say to my kids.

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I say, like no one can make you feel sad or angry or happy.

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Only you allow yourself these things.

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You need to be the master of your emotions,

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otherwise you're the slave to others.

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Can't argue with that.

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Yeah, no, I I I reckon I'm much better than I was a long time ago.

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And it happens less often.

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And each time I mean, I feel like a dick, you know,

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when you do it, yeah, you're full of passion.

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And you go da, da, da, da, da.

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And you have this thing, you go triumph.

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And then you go, what a dick, because, you know,

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you've not achieved what you set out to achieve in any way.

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You've not got a message across.

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You just made a sort of enemy in a barrier and a wall.

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Nothing. Nothing's gone forward.

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You know, so and I don't even think most people are deliberately trying to

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wind people up.

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Just some people are just so deeply rooted in their camp

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that when they hear something against it, they look,

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everyone's in a cult.

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Almost, right?

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And having been in several cults, my amadea cult, you know,

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the NHS cult, trust me, there's a lot of cults out there.

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And when you're in a cult, you don't know it.

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But when you're in a cult and someone attacks you, cult,

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your automatic is to defend it and then attack back.

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And I feel like a lot of the people out there who are angry

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online or whatever are either bots or just genuine victims in themselves.

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But there are some people who are very clever and use logical fallacies,

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distraction techniques, want to trigger you.

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And the classic ones are Zionists.

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Like when you try and argue with logical reasons,

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they'll suddenly bring up something completely bizarre and different.

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And then you start arguing or getting emotionally upset.

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And then suddenly the argument is all about that

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and you being emotionally upset and blah, blah, blah.

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And not the original problem that they were meant to discuss.

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So it's totally deflection and then making you look stupid.

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And then you lose all position of authority or, you know, respectability.

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So I think that's why it's even more important to just stay cool and calm.

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Because if you've got something really important to say in a message,

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it's only going to get across when you're like that.

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But it's not easy. I'm learning it too, man.

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I'm six to one.

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You'd have thought I might have learned it a bit earlier.

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But, you know, I'm determined.

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Yeah, as you say, counter ten is the first thing.

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You've got your first feeling about how you want to react.

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And it all floods over and you go, now, this point is incorrect.

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And it's very important.

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And this is why and and then you what you need to do is just step back and go.

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Give it time and then come back and look and say, well, actually,

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that was not a very good way of proceeding.

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So it is, as you say, it's just about.

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Not reacting in the moment without settling

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into your deep self, your quiet voice

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and not letting the monkey be pushed around, you know.

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And then there's some wild stuff out there, right?

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So I remember reading something

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online saying, you and Mike Eden were the same people.

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Actually, and they put the two voters together.

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Mike Eden is simply Tim West.

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But we've got.

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You remember that?

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Yes.

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And it's just like, OK, another one of the reasons

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why I was quite happy to meet you in person was like, yeah, you're not Mike Eden.

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Like, no, you're real.

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You're real, but it's wild.

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It is wild.

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It's cowboy territory.

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And there's disinformation and information coming from all sides.

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You've got to be so discerning.

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I mean, this will come on to what I want to talk about,

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about what you know, you know, and what he's actually

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hypothesis story.

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And most of the time, you know, we're inundated with stuff.

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And I think we have to be very skeptical.

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I mean, we're learning that stuff

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that I would have scoffed at people questioning a few years ago.

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I look at now and I'm beginning to question it.

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I'm there. I'm there.

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So like, basically, I had a guest.

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He's from Australia, Tim, Tim Manger beat the reset.

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And he's all about bullying gold coins, silver coins.

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I thought he was going to talk about the gold price going up

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and the silver and the economy is totally waiting for that.

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And he was like, I'm in Europe.

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I'm coming to London just to get on your podcast doc, make some room for me.

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You see my calendar.

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I was like, oh, jeez.

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So I fed him in and I hit the record.

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And for almost 90 minutes, he just spoke about Antarctica

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and the ice wall and what lies beyond.

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Like, I was like, what?

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And like you, like a few years ago, I would have been like,

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all right, okie dokie.

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And whereas now I'm like, look, honestly, I don't know, dude.

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Like the only thing I can be 100 percent sure about is like, what?

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I don't know.

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And there increasingly seems to be a lot of that.

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And yeah, you know, I don't know if the Earth is flat or round,

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but I questioned some of the things about the current

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heliocentric model and whether that Earth is even the size that it is

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and whether it's bigger or, you know, I just look, I don't know.

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I don't I don't believe in the moon landing business.

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You know, I've got this guy coming on my podcast on Sunday.

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About Cibrelia.

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Yeah, he's coming on on Sunday.

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I'm looking forward to that.

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Yeah, because again, like that was a given for most of my life.

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We went to the moon and I was like, no, we didn't.

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No, we didn't.

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There's thousands and thousands of data points

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that make it almost impossible or impossible.

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And it's crazy, isn't it?

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I mean, as you say, try talking about it

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to anybody who hasn't been down any rabbit hole.

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And they look at you as if you're completely mad.

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You know, if you question viruses, they look at you to complete.

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And if you question Covid, if you question masking,

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that they just look at you as if you've.

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You know, they don't know how to handle it.

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It's as if you've just said, oh, my pet, Arvok can juggle now.

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So they go.

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Exactly that.

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So I had that look that you just made right now yesterday.

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So yesterday, I went with my friend, Kasha.

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We're organizing retreats this summer

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and we want to make sure that the food is really good.

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So we've been to a few caterers to check the food

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and we do this food tasting business.

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So we're at this food tasting thing

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and the owner is really anxious to please us, make sure everything's OK.

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And she's, are we happy with everything?

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And near the end, she goes, what do you do?

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What do you do?

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And I'm like, well, it's complicated.

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Was an orthopedic surgeon.

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I'm a podcaster. Oh, oh, great.

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What's your podcast about?

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And I went, oh, that's another interesting place.

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And then my friend, Kasha, just piped up conspiracy theories.

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And her face dropped and she was like,

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oh, God, my son would love you. Oh, God.

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What kind of conspiracies?

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I went, everything.

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And it's more about conspiracy realities.

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But her whole demeanor changed from one of, you know,

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I can't wait to please you.

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I hope I get your business to.

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Oh, my God, you're one of those freaking people.

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I know. What do you do?

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I know it's crazy.

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Why call it theory? I mean, it's crazy, isn't it?

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I mean, my new phrases, I would say,

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well, I haven't said it used it yet, but I'll say,

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ah, I hadn't realized that you were a conspiracy denier.

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That's my new conspiracy denier.

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Well, I say I'm a conspiracy realist.

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I like the denial.

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Yeah. Denier. Denier.

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Back on them.

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Yeah. Conspiracy denier.

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Brilliant. That's great, isn't it?

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I like that.

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Well, I'm going to borrow that.

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It came from a title of an article.

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I think it was, was it unbecoming or was it never?

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Never the lie thing.

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Anyway, one of the subject, I think they call it

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conspiracy denialism or something.

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I think, yeah, it's a good for a conspiracy denial.

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We get called deniers of everything.

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Yeah, let's throw it back at them.

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I love that.

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Yeah, yeah, climate denier, Holocaust denier, COVID denier.

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Done deal.

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OK.

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All right, OK.

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So I just want to know a little bit more about you,

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the real Tim West and not fake Mike Gideon with a wig on.

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So like, yeah, how did you get,

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what's your relationship with Mike Gideon?

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How did you get to be his right hand man?

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Right hand man.

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Like some people have called you as a tack dog.

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This is, you know, going back.

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I've been called Gideon's bulldog.

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Yeah.

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Equivalent of Huxley's, whatever, Darwin's bulldog.

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T-H-D, Huxley, the terrible seed of all the trouble.

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One of them.

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Yeah, no, the thing is I was questioning COVID

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and everything was very odd.

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And I was, I saw Mike Gideon early on on the,

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I think it was on the, that big symposium they had,

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the Doctors for COVID Ethics 2021, I think it was.

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And Stephen Frost, lots of people were on it.

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The first time I saw like Matthew Eritt and lots of others.

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Denny Ranko, I think was on.

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Anyway, and Mike Gideon, I obviously really took to him

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and he was with Robin Monotti at the time.

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So I followed the Mike Gideon, Robin Monotti.

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Telegram channel.

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And then after a while, after a year and a half,

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Mike split from Robin because they had slight differences.

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Oh, no, it was about Gaza.

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Yeah.

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And also viruses.

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Yeah, Mike said he didn't want to go.

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Well, Robin, I spoke to Robin.

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Well, it was two things, I think, because it was also...

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I spoke to Robin and he said Mike wasn't happy

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with the direction of travel that Robin was talking about.

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Gaza and Palestine.

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And Mike didn't want to get involved.

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He didn't know much about it.

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And I think that's not good enough for most people now.

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I'm sorry, you need to know.

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Like, it's pretty blatant what's going on there.

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But anyway, carry on.

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Yeah, I mean, this was four years ago, I think,

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three years ago.

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And there was another thing because, I mean,

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to me, Robin is a brilliant man.

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And he's done lots of so much good stuff

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on the Gaza and many other issues.

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But I mean, I find it very difficult

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because with all his sense and all his brain

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and all his intelligence,

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from three years ago,

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I had long, long conversations with him by text,

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like hundreds and hundreds,

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trying to get him to look at the evidence

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on what virology is and what viruses are or aren't.

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And I find it very difficult.

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He just would never look.

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And I know that was certainly for Mike

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a very big thing too,

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that he wasn't allowed on the channel to question viruses.

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So that was also a big part of it for Mike, certainly.

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I mean, and so anyway, he left.

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He decided he's going to leave.

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And so I wrote to him and I just said,

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because I've been talking to Mike on telegram,

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on DM for a while.

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And I said, do you want me to set up your telegram?

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Because he's not really one for all of that side of things.

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He doesn't really like any of it.

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So he said, I didn't think he'd say yes.

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I mean, this is my hero.

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I think he's one of everybody's heroes.

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I don't have any heroes.

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No, but you know, I mean, he's a man

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of integrity and courage.

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I trust more than anybody else

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to be himself and to be true.

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He's a good man.

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He is a good man.

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And so I didn't think there's any chance.

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And then a week later, he said, yeah, go on then.

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So I set up the telegram channel.

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And then basically, although I effectively own it,

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he has control over everything.

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And then after a couple of years,

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I started helping him with Substruct as well.

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He had a Substruct account, but he wasn't doing anything with it.

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So help Edity's posts.

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So it all came just because I stuck my neck out

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and thought, well, you never know.

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And I was with Anna, my lovely girlfriend,

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Anna, who was Mike's first admin.

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I thought you were going to say Mike's first girlfriend.

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I was like, what's going on here?

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Yeah, sorry, Mike.

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No, no.

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Yes.

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And she said, I'll give it a go, Tim, you never know.

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And I thought, zero chance.

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I mean, really, I thought I might as well have just written to...

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I mean, I can't think somebody else.

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It might as well just...

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Anyway, it's no point thinking an example.

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I just thought it wouldn't happen.

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And it did.

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And we've become very close.

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And I really like him.

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And I would do anything to get his voice out.

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So that's how that happened.

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And yeah, it's great, organic.

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So tell me about your background.

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So you're one of three brothers.

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Did you all go to Cambridge?

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Okay, I just want to do a quick shout out to Bruno B,

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who has just recently become a paid subscriber.

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Doc, you are doing tremendous work.

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And I very much enjoy listening to your podcast.

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Your speaking voice is honest, emotional, soothing, and warm.

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You feature interesting guests.

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You allow them to speak without interrupting.

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Sometimes, buddy.

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You ask intelligent questions.

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Thank you.

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The audio quality is very good.

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What more could one ask for in a podcast?

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Thank you, sir.

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Oh, thanks.

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And then there's Scott.

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I've pretty much listened to every one of your podcasts.

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A truly decent chap who makes decisions based on truth

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and not how rich he can be by complying.

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Keep doing what you do, Doc.

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If my family needs advice or advocacy,

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we will be looking.

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We will be booking an appointment with you.

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Love your work.

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All the best, Scott.

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Scott.

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Scott.

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Love you, too, buddy.

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And then lastly, Eric Jacobson.

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Greetings, Doc Malick.

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I've been subscribed free to you for about a year now,

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but decided to go for a paid subscription.

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Your interviews are top notch

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and include so many interesting guests from all walks of life.

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Looking forward to more good listening ahead.

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Eric, thank you.

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And honestly, all of you guys, I freaking love you.

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Right.

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Let's get into the show.

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Bye.

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We all went to Cambridge.

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We all read maths.

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I mean, your parents must have been super proud of you.

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I mean, like all three boys in Cambridge.

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That's pretty impressive.

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Yeah, my dad went to Cambridge.

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My dad's passion was cricket, unlike me.

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But he went to Cambridge.

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He went to Downing College, Cambridge.

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And my middle brother.

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They're both younger than me.

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He went to Downing College, Cambridge.

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So he really was the apple of my dad's eye.

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Not really, but, you know, I mean,

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I went to Pembroke College, Cambridge,

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because I didn't get into Downing College, Cambridge,

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because I didn't do well enough in the exam.

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And really, if it hadn't been for the fact

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that I played bassoon in the National Youth Orchestra

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and bassoon is a very valuable commodity

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in all the orchestras,

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I went into the pool and Pembroke picked me out.

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So I went to Pembroke.

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Yeah, we all bad maths.

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We all went to Cambridge, we all read maths

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and we're all doing music.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Maths must have been hard.

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Maths is the universal language, isn't it,

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of the universe?

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Yes, well, it's funny, interesting, isn't it?

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Because, I mean, at the time, see, in Cambridge,

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there is kind of natural science courses,

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but the real physics, the applied physics,

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is actually part of the maths department.

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And it's the applied maths department

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and the pure maths department.

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So I got into that

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and one of my good friends of Steve Hawkins

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was a guy who I worked with on my music theory.

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But now, maths might be the universal language,

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but all the fairy tales that are sprung around it

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that are given to us,

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I no longer feel quite secure about.

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I mean, for a long time I've thought

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the notion that there are separate particles

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is ridiculous.

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And so once you've got the idea

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that there's no real separation,

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then all the maps and models and things,

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they're only going to be approximate.

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You can't get at this stuff.

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This amazing, whatever it is, reality.

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And, you know, Einstein and all the quantum mechanics

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looks so beautiful.

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Oh, so it's beautiful.

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Perfect structures and everything.

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But when you look at it, it does appear

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there's not actually that much backing it up.

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The odd little experiment

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that could be explained in other ways.

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So I mean, like you, I don't know.

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I don't know a lot of things.

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I mean, my principal thing is

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you have to be careful what you do know.

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You give an information and facts from outside.

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Some people call it received wisdom.

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And you don't know whether it's facts or not.

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So if you're really strict about it,

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you know, you'd be very, very careful.

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But I mean, the things you can extend it to the world.

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For example, here's a fact I know

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as a hard fact that nobody has ever

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presented me with any information

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for the existence of viruses.

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And I've set up the virus confirmation fund.

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Yeah, talk about that for a second before you move on.

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It's just that the second half of the episode

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is behind the payroll.

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So I want you to quickly mention this.

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Oh, OK. Let's do that.

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See how generous I am.

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That's very kind.

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Yeah.

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Well, I was getting tired in conversations, basically.

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People saying, oh, there is evidence for viruses.

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And I was going, well, actually there isn't.

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You know, here's all a load of information

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about all the stages of the,

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the seven stages of the virus isolation process.

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And here's all the details about it.

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Look, there's no evidence there.

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And people would say, well, there's evidence there.

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It's up there.

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So I thought, right, OK, I'm going to take a,

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take a run with the flag from Stefan Lanker,

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who did it with the measles virus.

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And he said, oh, 100,000 euros

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through the various measles virus exists.

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And that's the story.

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It was overturned in the court.

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But I decided to run with it on a much,

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on a slightly different setting.

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So anybody hands any information

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that any virus has ever existed.

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And the currently 77,000 pounds is yours.

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I mean, I offer this to, to the readers.

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The 77,000 pounds.

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The 77,000 pounds now in the virus confirmation fund.

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Lots of people pledging money.

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So it's saying, I solemnly promise to pay them money

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if you find evidence that any virus has ever existed,

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rather than being what it actually factually is,

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which is total fiction.

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There's no evidence for it.

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It's a story.

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It's a story with nothing to back it up.

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And if you think otherwise, claim the 77,000 pounds.

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So certainly I had something to come back with.

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I could say, OK, if there's evidence, claim,

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and nobody has,

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one person started to claim it,

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Dr Hill, and then disappeared.

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When he realized he couldn't.

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So I set it up as a flag to say, look,

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here's a fact virus is a fictional.

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OK, this is a fact because otherwise somebody

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would claim the money, even if only to make a point.

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And people come back with lots of different things

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that usually they ignore it.

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This is brilliant.

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So I say sometimes they come back with a comment reply

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that doesn't even mention it.

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That's the most common way of dealing with it.

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Another one is people say, I don't need your money.

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Well, that's a bit of a cop out.

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Yeah, there's a cop out.

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Isn't it?

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I mean, give it to charity.

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You know, it's the point.

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Surely if you want to save the children,

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if you believe viruses are real

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and that we're dangerous nutters saying they don't exist,

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then surely you would want to shut down this crazy crowd

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straight away, claim the money.

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So that's why I set it up.

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Just to make it clear that viruses are fictional.

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I mean, this is where I slightly take a different position

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from Jamie Andrews, who I love all his work.

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It's brilliant.

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His position is that he says he's more bloody minded.

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And instead of saying there's no evidence for viruses,

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he's just saying viruses don't exist.

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And I understand why he's doing that.

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It's like if you say to a child, Santa Claus doesn't exist.

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You know, obviously strictly scientifically,

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you can't say that because there's no evidence for Santa Claus,

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but you don't know.

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I mean, it's feasibly possible.

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There's Santa Claus living in a hut

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and no one's ever seen him.

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So strictly scientifically, you can't say Santa doesn't exist.

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You say Santa is fictional.

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There's no real world evidence to back him up.

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It's pure story.

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So I understand why Jamie says viruses don't exist.

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I prefer to say factually viruses are fictional.

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So that's a bit of a long ramble, but it's very important to me

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because once you stop feeling the outside world,

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your health issues massively improve.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So guys, ages since I looked at the no virus virus thing,

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do you know, you see my podcast?

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I've seen lots of your podcasts.

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You see the topics I cover, yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I make it very clear to people I'm a podcast host.

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I discuss lots of things.

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My job is not to interrogate,

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be the investigative journalist.

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That's not my gig.

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My gig is to give a platform to people.

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Yeah, exactly, yeah.

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But when I've looked at it, I think there's truths in both.

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Like, yeah, the studies that they do for virology,

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I mean, it's all like witchy sprue,

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a bit of bovine serum, a bit of mashed up kidney,

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and then you mash everything up.

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You get all this necrotic tissue,

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and then you go, ah, there you go.

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There's a virus.

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I'm like, huh?

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But then equally, they're looking at something.

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They're saying there's something under the microscope

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and they've got these pictures,

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and then there's these patterns of disease.

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And then you think, how's it?

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Well, measles follows a certain thing.

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It's got a same rash.

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Measles is not distinguishable from smallpox,

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rubella, chickenpox, monkeypox.

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There is no clinical way of distinguishing those.

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The spots and everything haven't got a difference.

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Measles, you don't get the vesicle type thing

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that you get with chickenpox.

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If you look up all the clinical definitions,

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there is actually no clinical way.

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They are all, as far as I'm concerned,

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they're all under far as German medicine.

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Dr. Hamer's concerned.

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These are all the same thing.

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It's just a body has a son.

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No, no, no.

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Okay, but let me finish.

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What I'm trying to say is they do.

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There are differences between mumps and measles

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and chickenpox.

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You know when you get chickenpox.

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It's very different from measles.

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I've had it.

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It's very different.

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It looks different.

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What I'm trying to say is there's patterns

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and people do get colds and do catch colds.

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Do this, though.

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I'm sorry.

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I mean, we're having a robust...

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I know, I know.

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Listen.

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Okay.

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Count to 10.

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Don't get triggered.

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I'm not triggered, but...

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I'm just saying.

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Yeah.

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With my own world experience,

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my wife just got the cold.

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Literally the next day,

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my eldest daughter did

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and every other kid did as well.

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I got a little tickly throat

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for about a day

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and then I got better.

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But everybody got something.

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I don't know what it is.

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It could be the frequencies

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we're all emitting.

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I don't know.

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But there's something.

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In my 50 years,

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I've seen people catch things

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and I get very careful

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where you say,

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everything's a lie.

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I get that.

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Well, most things are a lie.

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But then you start discounting everything.

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I don't have to discount.

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No, no, no.

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But what I'm saying is I had

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Jamie Andrews and he was like,

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at one point in this virus,

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no virus debate,

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he was like,

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do you know what?

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Is there anything such as proteins?

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Is there anything contagion at all?

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Like bacteria don't cause any problems.

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Forget viruses.

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Bacteria don't even cause problems.

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No, they don't.

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And then...

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So I'm not there.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm just...

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Again,

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as an orthopedic surgeon,

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I've seen sepsis.

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I've seen bacteria.

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I've seen UTIs.

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I've seen all these problems.

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You've also seen a house on fire

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surrounded by firemen.

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And you've never assumed

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that the firemen caused the fire.

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So if you had a bacterial infection

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past pouring out your leg,

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would you not take antibiotics?

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Absolutely not.

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No situation would I take antibiotics now.

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I do not think there's any situation.

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I mean,

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Sam Bailey's got a whole video on sepsis.

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I personally think antibiotics are...

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Well, I say never.

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Never.

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There are cases.

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If it's...

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The bacteria are there

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to clear up all the crap.

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All of the...

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Whatever it is.

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Take away the tissue that's been re...

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Because when we have a biological

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healing program,

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you have to restructure tissue,

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and then you have to get rid of it later,

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like doing it in your kitchen.

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And also you've got toxins and things to take away.

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So if you've got a really

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massive job,

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you might have a large amount of bacteria.

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And there might be a situation

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because of the severe toxicity

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that antibiotics might be useful.

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I'm prepared to admit.

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But in the vast majority of cases,

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I certainly wouldn't

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because the pus is the final healing stage.

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It's the stuff being got out.

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That's...

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That's our body doing its brilliant job.

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This is how I see it now, anyway.

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Of course, everyone sees things differently.

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I mean,

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if I could just swing back to the

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contagion thing.

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I mean, the other thing I like to say is...

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People say to me,

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oh, I've seen contagion.

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It's happened a lot.

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I've seen it.

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And I'll say, well,

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if it does happen a lot,

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and people have seen it,

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can you explain why for 6,000 years,

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no culture anywhere on the world,

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massive longhunt,

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thousand long medical systems,

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China,

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no culture anywhere ever noticed.

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That does not seem likely to me.

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I think contagion is a lens we look through.

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We were given this crazy idea a couple of hundred years ago.

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Pluck from the air.

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Absolute madness.

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Have people not talked about pestilence

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and plagues and God knows what else?

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Yeah, but look at what these things meant

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and what contagion meant.

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Contagion was to do with fear,

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but when it's like in Roman times,

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there's a whole article on the...

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Yeah, all the so-called words of plagues

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and what they mean.

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The problem is words get used for lots of things,

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like for example,

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smallpox meant everything

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that was covered by chickenpox measles.

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There's only one word for it,

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so everything gets called smallpox.

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And every time you go forward,

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words get slightly changed and adapted.

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I don't...

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I mean, what really makes you ill?

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The books by Dawn go through all the plagues

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and the so-called plagues, to look at the situation.

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I mean, and the other thing also is

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the final thing is 220 years of transmission experiments

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with zero successes.

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I mean, that's a big thing.

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They've tried to get infection.

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There's a common cold unit.

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They had to give it in the end.

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The Rosini experiments.

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So my contention is that I can understand

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why, if you're told,

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that you can catch something,

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that it looks like it.

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And again, you know, what about scurvy?

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Scurvy, for 50 years,

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they were convinced it was contagious.

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Why?

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Because one sailor got it,

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another sailor got it.

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Nobody thinks scurvy is contagious now.

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So I'm just...

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I'm sitting in a position where I think

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there's a lot of truth in terrain theory.

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Maybe there's some truth in germ theory.

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Maybe it's somewhere in the middle.

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Maybe there might be even another third reason

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why we get what we get,

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what the cold is and what influenza is.

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Maybe influenza is about the season

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and the position of the sun and magnetic fields.

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I'm open to all of this,

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but I'm not quite willing to say

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there's no such thing as viruses.

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Because I also struggle with the idea of

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what is everybody working with?

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What is everybody working with in all these labs?

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Getting, I don't know, vectors,

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I don't know, viruses,

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putting genetics, things into it.

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What are they playing with?

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If it's all nothing,

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it can't all be lies.

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I know doctors.

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Have you read the papers?

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I know doctors.

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Friends pre-COVID,

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whose PhD was putting in genetic

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sequences into viruses and that.

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They weren't lying.

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They wouldn't make the stuff up.

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It's not about lying.

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I'm just saying.

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It's not about lying, no.

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Definitely not about lying.

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I mean, I don't think

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people are lying at all.

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They're given the protocols.

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If you talk to any virologist,

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you get down to the brass tax,

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which is, you have to just believe this stuff.

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If I take,

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I don't know if you've seen my...

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Isn't that several billion people on this planet?

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You have to believe in, you know,

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the trilogy, the trinity.

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Exactly.

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You just have to believe.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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And so I say, get rid of all belief.

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I have total skepticism.

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Look at the evidence.

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So I do not say viruses don't exist

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because that is a story

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which can't be proved.

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I say a fact.

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Viruses are fictional.

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And they'll prove it because nobody can claim...

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Nobody can offer any evidence for viruses.

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And we've had centuries.

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Nobody...

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There's not one piece of evidence so far for any virus.

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These things are built in a computer.

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They're a completely fictitious genome

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built in a computer.

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They've never been seen in any fluids

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from natural bodies.

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They have to do these ridiculous

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witch's brew experiments.

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I do not think there's any such thing

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as contagion anymore.

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I don't think there's anything as path...

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I don't think there's anything in nature

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out to get us small than a fountain.

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There's toxins

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which are not active beings.

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And then there's active beings.

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I don't believe any of the...

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I don't have any evidence

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that any of them are out to get us at all.

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So I think it's all about balance.

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So we have bacteria in our body all the time.

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We have them in the eyeballs.

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We have internally.

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We have the biomes everywhere.

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Not just the gut.

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Everywhere there's a biome.

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And we live in a very symbiotic relationship

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with bacteria.

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In fact, we've got more bacteria in our body

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than human cells,

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which is kind of bizarre.

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It's insane.

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And we're surrounded by it in our food

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and the dirt and the muck, everything.

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But I just feel like sometimes

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if you are weakened

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physiologically stressed

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some deficiencies

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or whatever,

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if there's a build up

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and then the balance is broken

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then the bacteria can kill us a problem

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and then cause infection.

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I think that's what it is.

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And I've seen patients who are immunosuppressed

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where a bacteria that wouldn't cause a problem

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for you and me

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then suddenly does cause a problem.

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Well, it would, of course.

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If you attack the body,

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there's no...

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I don't have any evidence for the immune system

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because there's nothing we're immune to.

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There's no specific antibodies

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have ever been seen.

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Again, it's all story.

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You've got to separate

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what actually has been seen and known

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and what is conjecture

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and what is story that wrapped around the facts.

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But no one's seen an atom.

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Do you think there's no such thing as atoms?

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I think it's...

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Or oxygen.

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I think it's very unlikely

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there's such a thing as an atom.

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I don't think reality is all separated

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into tiny bits

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and even quantum mechanics and relativity

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don't, you know, talk about

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an electron extending with a probability field

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to infinity

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and it's a one quantum field wave.

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I don't like those things

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but I definitely think the atom...

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The separatist...

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The separatist is breaking down

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of the world into little bits.

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It is only model and not reality.

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Okay, so I agree that the model

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might not be 100% the reality

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but I love these models

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even if they're 99% accurate.

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I love them.

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And I'll explain why.

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So, for example, the models

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of the periodic table and the atoms

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is why they can get petrol out,

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oil out to the ground

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and then put them through refineries and refractions

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and make plastics and polymers

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because of the number of carbon molecules

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and the number of hydrogen molecules

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and all the chemical reactions

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are based on these models

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of electrons and protons and neutrons

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to create all these substances

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that we see around us.

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All around us.

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So, like, if these models weren't fairly accurate

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we wouldn't be able to do

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all of the things that we do in the world today.

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If they were all wrong

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and they didn't exist

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how can we do this?

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How can we make plastics?

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How do we make medicines?

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How do we make insulin?

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Which is a protein.

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How do we make all that?

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If it doesn't exist.

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So, you know, when...

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No, it didn't say it didn't exist.

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No, no, no. When Jamie Andrews said to me

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oh, there's no such thing as proteins

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I was like, what?

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And there's no such thing as DNA.

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I was like, what?

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Because the recombinant insulin,

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you know, is made by DNA sequencing

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and then they make it

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and then it's a protein.

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And if there's no protein and no recombinant

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what's this thing that they've made

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that can cure people's diabetes?

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Like, I don't understand that.

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Okay, well, I mean, I've put like,

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oh, God, thousands of hours into it now

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and go into all of the...

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Well, all I would say is that

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no matter how good a story is

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I mean, look, and here's my...

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Here's an example, okay.

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I have got a story for you

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that on a very specific day of the year

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a chap comes down the chimney

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and puts presents under trees in houses

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and then disappears and people wake up

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and find the presents.

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Now, I could go to every house on October 3

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and there's no trees in front.

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I can go to every house on 25th in the morning

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and I can find presents under trees

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and I could say, oh, you see,

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my story fits really well.

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Just because the story fits really well

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it doesn't mean to say

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that it's actually what's going on

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and so people made lots of stuff

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for a long time, metals, smelting,

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all sorts of stuff, long before atoms were thought of.

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So you don't necessarily...

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You've got to be careful about

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what is actually extraneous story

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even if it's useful.

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I mean, I like stories.

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Okay, I like your stories

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but answer this one.

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So DNA, right?

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I've just looked it up.

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Okay.

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The DNA, right, for insulin,

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it's been identified.

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They've done the genetic sequence.

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They've inserted it into a plasmid,

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E. coli or yeast cells.

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They've grown their insulin factories.

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They've then created the insulin protein, right,

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which is then extracted and purified

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given to humans since 1982

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and now it means that they don't need

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to have pig or cow pancreas insulin.

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If DNA, genetic sequencing, all that

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and proteins don't exist,

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how is this possible?

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What have they done?

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First of all, I'm not saying they don't exist.

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Okay, okay.

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Well, I'm just saying...

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Jamie Andrews said they didn't

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and I was like...

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Well, this is where I slightly differ from Jamie.

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I mean, I might have got it wrong

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but I'm pretty sure that's what he said to me.

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No, I think...

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This is where I start to differ from Jamie

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because I prefer just to say

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be careful what you know

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and to say something doesn't exist,

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you actually can't say that.

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You can't say...

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I can't say unicorns don't exist.

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I mean, it's practical to say

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I'm going to act as if there's no unicorns

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but you can't say...

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I mean, I think his work is...

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I mean, you talked about the artefacts.

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His work with...

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By the way, I love Jamie.

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I think he's doing great work.

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Yeah, I mean, his artefacts showing

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that every single...

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You talk about viruses,

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every single thing that they've seen

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and shown,

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they all came up in these

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tissue culture experiments with nothing added.

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Absolutely sterile, pure tissue...

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tissue culture

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and all of the art they saw, HIV, polio, measles

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because it's just these things.

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That's all they do.

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They point at pictures

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and then they use the ridiculous

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deep metagenomic sequencing stuff

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to find things which...

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It's a crazy procedure.

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So where I come from is

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I'm like two things can be true at the same time

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that they do complete batshit crazy stuff

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that's not true.

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But it could be that there is still something there.

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It could be.

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This is where I am

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and that's why I don't want to be like,

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it's this.

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Look, I'm just saying.

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I remember, like I said to you,

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in the beginning, not anymore,

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you were quite feisty.

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Yeah, okay, so you're still...

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Dude, try not to.

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Some of the no-virus camp people

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have been the most trolling, aggressive, rude

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people that I've ever come across.

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They make the COVID-plandemic acolytes

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look like nothing.

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I've never had anyone who's had a booster

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say to me, you fucking dumbwit,

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you idiot, you virus, whatever.

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I've never had...

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But the no-virus people?

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Oh my God.

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Personal DMs, publicly.

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You're like, what is wrong with you guys?

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I think...

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Okay, folks, whether you're dealing

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or you're coming out of an operation

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and you want to know

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what the best way to rehab is,

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whatever your medical or health problem,

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I can help you

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because I've got 25 years as a doctor

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in the mainstream medical system

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but I also know about the alternatives.

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I know the inner workings

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and failings of the medical system

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but I also know how to get the best

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at the medical system.

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There's no point throwing out the baby

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with the bathwater.

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So if you don't know who to trust,

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if you don't know what questions to ask,

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Just visit my website

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back to the show.

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I can think I can explain that really

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because when you first come

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to understand

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and as I say,

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this is why I set up

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the virus confirmation fund

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as a hard proof

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that viruses are fictional.

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I mean, it's not in doubt.

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There's no debate.

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There's no virus, no virus debate.

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It's a hard fact,

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viruses are fictional

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or somebody would present

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evidence for viruses and nobody can.

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So when you first understand

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the power that comes

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from this contagion myth

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and how all tyranny is,

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how the whole COVID thing

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leading to the next tyranny,

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how the vaccine passports

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are all linked in with the digital ID.

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I think there's two central

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pranks in there, tyranny.

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There's the contagion lie,

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which as far as I'm concerned,

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there's never been an evidence

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that has ever caught anything from anybody

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and it's a really dangerous idea to believe it

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and the climate lie are the twin pillars.

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So when you first come across understanding

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and I would say it is

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or being aware of the facts

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that there's no evidence for viruses,

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and you realise the power it has

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and you realise you see people walking

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and saying, oh, I caught this yesterday

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and then people having no SIBO effects

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and all that and you see the tyranny

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then you can initially get a bit upset.

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No, because there's so many equivalents.

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Bart SIBO will say the exact same thing.

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People are still believing that we've gone to the moon,

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they're teaching our kids we've gone to the moon

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but the moment you identify that we never went to the moon

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everything falls apart.

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They spent billions and the media lies

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and the journalist lies and the politician lies

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and the NASA's lying and the scientist lies.

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They're all a bunch of frickin' liars

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and you can get angry about that

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or then you can say, government's not our friend.

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They're tyranny, they're a bunch of mafia

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and we need to wake up and you believe in the government.

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There's so many examples of that.

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I could go on and mass migration is real.

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Oh my God, don't you know they're taking over

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all the white people, blah, blah, blah,

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and if you just woke up and found out the truth

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then look, everyone's got something

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they're passionate about.

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Just calm the earth down.

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This is not how you win friends

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and influence people.

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There's a lot of things that are

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we are passionate about

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whether it be big pharma

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whether it be vaccines, virology

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whether it be the moon landing

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whether it be the government and the tyranny of the government

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whether it be taxation, the cruelty of taxation.

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There's the indoctrination

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for education.

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There are so many evils

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and everyone

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could argue the same as you.

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If you believe in this, if everybody

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just knew this

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it would be game over

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and it's not that simple.

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No, I agree it's not.

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And that's not a reason to be rude

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and offensive and troll other people.

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And I'm just saying

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amongst the no virus camp

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it's the gold medal for those guys.

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Everybody needs to tone it down.

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We're on a journey.

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I just told you two years ago

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if someone said to me about flat air

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I've been laughing my head off.

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Now I'm like maybe, interesting.

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You're on a journey.

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But by ridiculing

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insulting and swearing at me

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Absolutely.

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You're not going to help.

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And then you almost think, is this a sigh up?

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Well, and that's the other thing.

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I reckon there could easily be people

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doing it

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because of

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as far as I can see because of the central

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important because the thing is

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Sasha Latipova

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she has a

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feeling

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coming from Richie's Nobel Prize

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in 1913

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the vast majority of illness

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is from anaphylactic pathways

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set up from vaccines

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and that

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everywhere you look vaccines

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are a huge cause

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of endemic

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damage

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and vaccines

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Covid masks

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Okay, so I

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it's all based

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so that's what, you know, I agree

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there's no point ever

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So I was in Africa in 1998

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in the summer for three months, okay

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Dude, I saw a lot of things. A lot of the people

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had not had vaccines and they were still sick

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I saw a lot of people sexually transmitted diseases

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were quite promiscuous in Tanzania

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and they were spreading it

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and this is what I mean

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I just saw things

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people with infections

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ulcers

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weird stuff

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because you know what, they cut themselves

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and they're in the bush and then suddenly something's happening

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their fits falling off

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they didn't have antibiotics

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they didn't have any vaccines

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they didn't have vaccines

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but things were there

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infections were there, STDs were there

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and you know

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I don't think there's any evidence that anybody has ever caught

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a sexual disease

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What? Not one shred of evidence

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and I have looks

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and there's lots and lots of lots of presentations on this

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just because

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you go and sleep

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with somebody

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who is labelled with a disease and you come back

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and you get these symptoms

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which are often interestingly

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if it was a disease, why is it not more over the body

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why is it often in the

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localised place?

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What do you think is going on then?

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Well, I am a massive massive...

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Dude, I saw sores and pus and plus jewels

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and a vagina and penis

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which if someone had

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a discharging vagina

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you wouldn't have sex with her, would you?

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Well, I may not have sex with her

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but that's not because I'd be worried about catching something

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What? No, because I know there's nothing to catch

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Right

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What's he called? W

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The guy who invented the phrase fight or flight

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He was right at the door

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and there was a connection to his anxiety and disease

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What's his name? Cannon

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WB Cannon, I think his name was

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Anyway, so he worked in Africa

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and his

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his famous thing was

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it's called zombie death

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basically and he would look at what's going on

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where people would get cursed and die

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and obviously

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it's no sebo effect

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his assistant

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was a very kind of educated man

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and his assistant

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was cursed because

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these guys are basically the slightly undermining

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the Billy Shaman's

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work

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Right, you're wrong Lee

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because, you know, they're saying

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there's nothing to fear

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there's no curses

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Anyway, so the Billy Shaman cursed him

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and the guy started to wither away

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and within a month

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there was no AIDS then

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but he was described as like an AIDS patient

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absolutely almost dead

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and so Cannon went to

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the village chief

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and said you talked to your shaman and tell him

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to absolutely convinced

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my assistant

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that he was just waving a bone and doing magic tricks

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smoke and mirrors

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theater

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or your village will not get more supplies

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and so he did

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and then he talked to the guy

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and within days he's getting better

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so what I'm saying is

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according to Dr. Hamer

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and other

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but Dr. Hamer's principal in Germanic New Medicine

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the principal cause

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of long term conditions in our society

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biological shocks

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biological shocks

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have

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special healing programs

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and the final stage of the healing program

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is what is called symptoms

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that when the final

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stuff get pushed out the skin

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encapsulated

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whatever

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and this final healing stage

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gets called disease or symptoms

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by western medicine

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when it's just the body doing its job

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with a small handful of elimination

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pathways

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it's a big show

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I've read about German New Medicine

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I think there's elements of truth to it

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that trauma

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psychological trauma can influence a lot of

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your ill health

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but I'm not 100% there again

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I think there's elements of truth

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and two things can be true

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like you said no SIBO

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and also I think placebo

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I was fascinated by that

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as a medical student they'd be like

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if you do a placebo and 50% people get better

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just from a sugar pill

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why are we not investigating this more

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51% for the drug

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exactly

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why are we not looking at what is it

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about placebo that can cause

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this improvement

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how can you have your own placebo

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we need to learn that

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no one's interested in that

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so I agree

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but again two things can be true

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that there can be plus SIBOs

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and no SIBOs but then equally

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there can be

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things, disease states whatever

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that can influence your infection

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so whatever and cause you to be poorly

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I'm on that position and I'm just saying

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everybody needs to calm down

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not get too angry on this side

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not get too angry on that side

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everybody's in their little wee journey

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this is talking to you much better than talking to anybody else

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because it does

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because people are

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passionately attached

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to what I would call the

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the core religious type things

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really

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quasi-religious type things

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and for a lot of people

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even questioning

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contagion

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or virology

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they get very very upset

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and you think no vice people upset with

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if you go to a total normie

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and try to have a conversation about this

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they get very very upset because

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it's part of their will and who they are

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since I was born I've learned this

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are you what else you're telling me

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my experience is that they shut down

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and just don't want to engage with you

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whereas the no-virus people attack you

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there's a difference

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but I'll give an example

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surgery 25 years as a surgeon

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if you don't give patients

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antibiotics at surgery

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a lot of them get infection

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and if you give pre-op

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antibiotics like when you do mito implants

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whatever the infection

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drops way down

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but equally I want to tell you another thing

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so post-op

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same patients

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out of 100 patients

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they'll always be one or two who get an infection

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and the patient would always turn around and go

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oh did you do a bad job

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or if they came and saw me because they had

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seen another surgeon developed an infection

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then came to see me for a second opinion

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did my surgeon do a bad job

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and I'd be like not really

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this is about you and your body

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your physiology, your health

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the robustness of your immune system

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the stress that you've got going on

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all of these things

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we do the same thing for every patient

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why is it someone gets an infection and someone doesn't

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there's something unique about that patient

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their psychology

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that individual

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so it's more nuanced than just give them

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antibiotics or whatever

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some things about them that their immune system

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is not able to cope

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but to be fair

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this narrative

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assumes

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that

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the firemen are infecting

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rather than being there to help

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rather than being pleomorphic

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entities which have adapted

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to the exact shape and number as required

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for the task in hand

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to do the job now yes you can kill them off

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I would say

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we survived despite that

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not because of it

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often

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I think there are some

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I've seen people

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with sepsis die

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it's not nice

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I'll tell you what it is

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I was in two examples

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Banda Atchie after the tsunami

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and the following year

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Kashmir earthquake

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so these people have been in floods

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tsunamis, earthquakes

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biological shocks

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and they've had rubble on them

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they've got open wounds

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they got infected

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by the time they got to the clinic

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it was too late they're running fevers

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there's pus pouring out, redness

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there's septic septicemia

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it's just too late

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and they go into shock

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and they die

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why though

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because they've got an open wound

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they've got inspection

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but how can you be sure

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that Dr Hamer's

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many many thousands and thousands

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of brain scans

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are not accurate in determining

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but then the ones that do get to us

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and we get to clean their wounds

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take them to theatre, give them antibiotics

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which I did in Indonesia

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and got them on the drip

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they survived

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but how do you know that's not to do

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with the fact that they're

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if Dr Hamer's right

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the deep biological shocks

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if

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so I'm not saying how do you know

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I'm not saying right or wrong either way

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I'm saying this is where I lean

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I don't know anything

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so I'm just saying if you're in a car crash

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and you're literally thrown out the car

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dragged over the tarmac

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you've got an open wound

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the end of your femur sticking out

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you've got mud in there

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you're not going to have it taken to theatre

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to wash out, give them antibiotics

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absolutely have it washed out

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not give them antibiotics

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from where I stand now

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from looking at all the papers on sepsis

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because there's a whole list

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given in the Sam Bailey

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article and video

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going back saying

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no I wouldn't, I wouldn't

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because I mean the STT thing

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if you go about the STT thing

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how come some people

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are incredibly promiscuous

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just massively promiscuous

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they go

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all over the place with everybody

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and they never ever get an STT

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whereas one person

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does one thing

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after

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30 years of marriage

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and they have a

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something to work on it

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it might not even be that serious

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it might not even get close

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and they come up with what is called an STT

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I've no idea about this

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okay well I

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think STTs are largely shame

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really

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yeah

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this fits

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oh should I just mention my

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beyond certainty

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I'll put it on the show notes

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but say again

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it's called beyond certainty

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because I think certainty is the problem

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we get rid of certainty

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and just deal with truth and stories separately

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stop being certain about things

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