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Right folks, let's begin. So yeah, Madeleine, you're wearing glasses just in case people for
an eye condition, something happened, but we're not going to go into it. But that's in case
people were wondering why is she wearing glasses? That's the reason why.
I have a disguise.
Yeah, you're in disguise.
You have to be very careful those days.
So I know, I know. Listen, thank you for joining me. I just want to recap from our last chat.
Okay, because a lot of people were like, oh, I'm in, I'm so glad you recapped.
I wasn't sure what was going on. But I think a big problem is that a lot of people,
including myself, don't didn't really understand the local councils, how they were
structured, how they operate, how they work. You kind of have, because you don't get taught
this in school, you have this rough idea that, you know what, there's some politicians in Westminster,
and then there's some politicians locally. And the central ones dictate, you know,
defense and taxation and foreign affairs. And the local ones, you know, to take care
of your schools, the garbage and everything. And that's it. That's pretty much it.
But now, since that last chat done a bit of reading and everything, and I've understood
a lot more. And one of the things that I've realized is actually, you know, these local
councillors, one, they don't get paid very much. It's like a part-time volunteer job,
anywhere from 10 to 20 plus hours. And they get paid about, I don't know, 10,000 to 15,000
pounds, depending on what they do. Then they also get expenses. And, and it also depends
then if they've got other roles like leadership roles. So you've got councillors, but then
you've got the council leaders, and you've got the cabinet members that work with them.
And they can kind of do more work 30 to 50 hours. But they also get, you know,
expenses paid. But the problem is, because it's a low allowance, what it means is it's
only certain type of people who will really go for these councillor jobs, people who've retired,
okay, people who are independently wealthy, political careerists and opportunists,
and people who've got flexible jobs. But you know, working-class people or full-time workers,
I mean, they're really going to struggle to become a councillor. So you're kind of,
you're kind of excluding a large group of people who can do that. And then,
you know, we have to look at what actually is done, what do they actually do?
So the official structure is, you know, you've got the councillors, and you think that,
you know, they're running the show, actually they're not. You've got this management structure,
you've got this political civil servant management structure. And what's meant to happen is that
the councillors are meant to set the overall policy direction, like how are we going to run
the local area, the council, approve budgets, represent the residents, that's very important,
and vote on major decisions, planning, strategy. So they're meant to decide what happens.
And the officers who are the management class, the permanent staff, you know,
the full-time permanent staff, they're not going anywhere, they don't get voted in or out.
They include the chief executive, the monitoring officer who's the legal authority,
the section 151 officer who's the finance director, the director of all the various
services of which there are many, and all the other, you know, HR and whatever.
Their role is to implement the policy, provide advice and reports, control operational delivery,
and manage the staff and the contracts, and, you know, decide, you know, how the things
are happening, you know, not what is happening. So in theory, councillors are meant to lead,
officers are meant to execute. But in practice, in reality, what's happening is that the officers,
the unelected body, are influenced by NGOs, corporations, and are given instructions
by civil servants in central London and, you know, in central government.
So, and they write the reports, and they basically now decide what the policies are.
And they then present that to the councillors and, you know, and if they're providing the
information to the councillors, the councillors are kind of like limited in what they can do
because all the information is coming from their officers. And now suddenly, you know,
they're told, you know, this is what needs to be legally done. This is not what's legally
meant to be done. This is what can effectively done. This can't be. So before you know it,
the councillors are actually just doing what the management structure the officers are telling them
pretty much. And, you know, the councillors are changing every election cycle,
but the management are staying there. These senior officers can stay there literally for
decades. So really, they're the ones shaping policy and outcomes. And they're closely aligned
relationship-wise with central government. So what I realise is, actually, this isn't
very democratic. It's a very, it's a hidden power structure in plain sight that we just
don't really know about, you know, these legal frameworks, these national policy constraints,
officer advice, financial restrictions. What that does, it means management actually
runs the council, not the elected councillors. That's kind of scary. It's very scary.
Is that a good summary? Yes, probably 98% right. Okay. 98% because we have to go back to the
councillor salaries. It depends what tier we're talking about, because when we're talking about
the parish and town councillors, this is mostly the voluntary positions. And then we have, it depends
what you're doing, because even in the very low tier, if you are a chair, then you actually have
some income. But then you have a district and you have a county councillors, of course. And
then you have many different committees. Every committee have some very good income. They have
bonuses for a particular kind of project, for the kind of programme proposals, what they're
pushing forward from developers. They have a massive, massive amount of extra bonuses as well.
So they are not, and then you have a councillors in cabinets, which actually the directors
and the executive councillors. And that's the people who are staying with the people who are not
councillors for the period of time, what you mentioned, for they could stay there for decades.
If those councillors wasn't there, the people who are working there as officers and others
wouldn't be there, because they need to be appointed by somebody. So whenever term
it's finished, when we have an election, if we have a new councillors,
they could easily just change the officers and they can just change the positions there as well and say,
no, thank you, we don't need you, because they are the one who are appointing them.
So the directors what we're talking about, they are councillors and they are actually
on the salaries over 100,000 and very close to 100,000 as well. So it's not all councillors.
So I have to actually send you a little bit of updates about this, you will know.
But it is official on every councillor site if you check, you will see who is earning what
kind of salaries, depends on the position really. So they're all helping each other,
if they're all in this cozy, cozy relationship, I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine.
Absolutely, yeah. We'll look after each other. Okay, right. So now that we know
the shit show that's a local council, why don't we talk about some of the stuff that you're passionate
about. So you're talking about there's changes happening and the public doesn't know about it
and the media is not talking about it. There's court cases going on, there's elections being
cancelled or delayed. Can you just jump in and just explain like I'm a baby, what's going on?
So first of all, I want to say that what we're talking about all the time is what the media
talking about. And you probably realise, especially in the past few years,
the change in the alternative media as well. We had a completely contrast in 2020, 2021,
when the mainstream media was talking about one thing and the alternative was talking
about another thing. At this point now, the news on the both sides, in majority, of course,
not everyone, not like your programme, but in majority and social media, they're talking
about the same thing. It's always the same, the same topic. So just stop one second.
So what are those topics that they're always talking about? Just explain, because I don't
watch mainstream media. Let's say, let's say, whatever Trump done, whatever it's happening
somewhere and abroad, whatever reform is doing, they dictate the topic. And the topic is,
it's talk about on the both side of the media, on the alternative and on the mainstream media,
except the topics are actually being discussed from different perspective.
So on both sides, it's just the opinions. And meanwhile, the real things what is happening,
what is happening in the parliament, what is happening in your council,
how the changes going to be, they are pushed. And you know how they are,
you know, we know we can see what is happening, but we don't know when they've done it,
how they've done it. When was the moment when you could stop them? Because we just never have
the opportunity to learn about this, because we are preoccupied with something else.
So what we're seeing on the media is like a pimpog of exchanging opinion about something
what is the rebuttary just from the market to distract people.
Bingo. So there's someone called David Hughes who's talked about the camps. Have you heard of it?
Camp one, camp two, camp three. Yeah. Camp one is just mainstream media. They're just pumping
out the government official corporate globalist narrative. Camp two is where you've got these
so-called alternative media podcasters, social media. And, you know, they pretend that they're
against camp one and against authority, but actually they're pretty much controlled by the
same forties. And they're just giving it a slightly different flavour of what the authorities want
you to. And they give you this impression that there is a challenge taking place that
there's two different sides and there's opposition, but they're not, they're just,
they're not. And camp three is where you have really uncaptured, authentic, honest,
you know, people, voices who are talking about things that are not the official narrative,
that are not part of the system of playing games of divide and rule and distraction and deception.
It's literally, you know, telling, you know, what's going on
and trying to give solutions to the problem. Now, camp three is a very small camp and it's scary
and it's lonely. You get censored, you get cancelled, you get lawfare, you even get killed
if you're that much of a threat. And, you know, camp one doesn't like you and neither does
camp two. You know, camp two might do smear campaigns against you to try and discredit you and make you
look really bad and stupid. So what you're talking about, I think is, you know, we're in camp three
and it's, it's very quiet, very lonely and there's not many of us. Anyway, carry on.
Yeah, the camp three, it's, it's definitely quiet because it's, it's, it's the camp one,
camp two. They make this, they make this quiet because this is so powerful, mainstream media and
then the camp two, they having this big battle. So that's preoccupied the nation because it's
sensational. So they take excites like playing, like watching football. You just become like a
proper honest person who really going to bring the truth. Like your podcast, like many other
people who are actually talking with sense. They're trying to find the, what is really going on.
You become, you become to be pushed on site because basically you are boring, you know, with
this is the hard word, but you know what I mean in comparison to this massive headlines, you know,
that Trump is doing this and, and they're going to invade the UK and we have the
Martian going to land tomorrow. And what I saw, what I saw two weeks ago is just unbelievable.
Somebody just sent me something which just blew my mind and I just thought,
you even sending me this stuff without a thing for a second. I am not even going to talk about,
but that that's what people actually following because they have this from the both side,
the same story, different opinions. And when you bring this reality, the reality is boring.
The truth is boring in comparison to this massive headlines. So yeah, it's very difficult.
I would agree with that. I know this, this podcast is certainly not as exciting as an alien
invasion. You know, let's talk about alien invasions and what it's going to look like. Yeah,
that's, that's, that's exciting. But that's also just fiction, just fiction. We need to deal
with facts. Okay, so let's go, let's get into facts. What's happening at the local council level?
What, what, what's not being talked about? You talked about this law, um, legal case that
reform is doing. What's what's going on? Talk to me. It's very important thing is happening
at the moment because everyone who is opposing to the agenda, everyone is aware of the agenda
in the camp one, camp two and camp three. Everyone is now aware of the agenda, but
everyone sees the agenda different way. So now we have the moment of reset, proper reset of law
and proper set of the system. That was happening for a long time. We mentioned this on the previous
program, you know, since Blair started reform reform, he started reform and he was pushing
the devolution, which was under the conservative government called like a levering up. So the
labor brand is for an organization and they continue the same program. It is the same program
for many, many, many years. And at this point, we came to the point when they going to reset
our system, our local system and they're going to be the smart city Metro mayors.
And because it is the opposition to that, some people are aware what is going on and was
challenging the council about this for a while. They, of course, have several options how to
achieve their goal. And that was that was the same Poland. I mentioned that before. So at this point,
they asked the councils last year after they postponed the election and lawfully last year,
they asked the council to submit a proposal for an organization. So the council submit
the proposals for the organization. I think that was few months ago. And the decision about
accepting the proposal is going to happen in March 20, I think 26. But at the moment, the
government light papers for the secondary legislation because without secondary legislation,
they can't accept the organizations request from the councils. So they like the documents
now for the secondary legislation. And at this point, it's 40 days to challenge this. And people
are not aware of that, you know, if anyone have any kind of evidence that what was done since that,
even just since 2025, when they postponed the elections. And if anyone have evidence that
that was that was wrong, unlawful that that, for example, that was no consultation with people
because it wasn't. And we have this documented. And it's the same now. It's no consultation with
people about reorganizing their system, local system. Nobody was asking us. Nobody explained
this to us at all. But they're doing this. And if anyone have any evidence, they could actually
write the letter to the parliament and to the scrutiny department and say, I haven't
been consulted. I have no idea what it is. You can't change this. I can actually put the template
later. But that's the brief summary of what is going on. That's involve massive amount of money.
So one second. So the government, the central government is reforming and changing the way
local councils will be run. And you're creating these metro mayors, smart cities.
But none of this has been consulted with the public. None of us have been asked
about this major change in the councils. What is the actual fundamental change? Like,
what is the difference? I mean, I know you got the Metro Mayor. Will they just have a lot more
executive power? What is exactly that changes? That would be about 10, 10 people deciding about
everything about in massive area, because that will be only unitary councils. So for example,
let's say Kent, instead of having some districts there, it is not going to be there anymore. And
Kent is going to join another neighborhood area as well, what used to be, for example,
Sussex. So that part of the Sussex Kent would be one big unitary. And for this one big unitary
will be about five, 10 people making decision. Nobody else. And that that would be about
about that many. And so and there won't be any, there won't be any voting in the chamber with
lots of councillors. It's literally just five or 10 people making all the decisions.
It will be voting, of course, that will be a voting that will be a lot of debating.
And that will be the neighborhood. I don't remember how they calling now, because that was
the community board originally under the conservative government when that was
leveling up, but the labor changes for the reorganization and they changed the community
boards for neighborhood something something. So the neighborhood something something
and community boards. I think that was, I don't, again, I don't remember the number,
but that's a massive amount of money, billions practically going to be just
give to this neighborhood boards for projects. So if you ever read the the evolution
white pages, because that's the the basic of everything that is happening,
the community boards and the now the neighborhood, whatever, that will be apparently the residents,
but they are not going to be just average people that will be selected,
selected people representing community in this massive area. So that that will be
like a little boards everywhere. And the conditions there actually to become
the member of the boards is not like you can just come from nowhere. You have to be
established businessmen or NGO or any kind of stakeholder. So it's about five different
positions there which represent all community. So basically, the structure will be looking
like they're going to dissolve the district councils. They're going to gradually dissolve
the parish councils as well. And it's going to be just the massive mayoral office with lots of
lots of people working there. How long is this country England had parish councils and district
councils for? Oh, that's very long. That was touch or was she that that was her, her era.
So what era? Thatcher? No, but do parish councils not go further back?
Parish Council probably did, but I think the structure what we have now that was
I think that was established established with her. I don't I don't really remember.
We'll have to check this. I'm just wondering like, you know, how long has it been here,
you know, because it seems to me. So parish governance, I've just looked it up,
parish level, local administration has been going on for over a thousand years.
Church based communities, local centers for administration, tax collection, welfare.
And then in around the 1500s, the Tudor period, there was Elizabethan poor laws.
So then again, you've got structured local administration, poor relief, local welfare,
local taxation, poor rate. And then you've got Victorian era is all a bit chaotic.
And then you've got the local government act in 1888. Now you've got elected county councils.
So you're talking about about 150 years. Yeah, sorry, I completely misunderstood you
because, you know, I think that was the time when she she changed the she made the changes in the
taxes from the poll tax. And that was just a different kind of changes, not the full structure.
Okay, okay. So fundamentally, the very structure of local governance is being
radically overhauled, and it's centralizing power in very few hands. And and has this
been voted for in the House of Parliament? Has it been passed?
No, that's why they're going for the secondary legislation now. That's what we're trying to
stop. Remind me what secondary legislation is. Sorry, remind me.
To just so much one part of the organization, massive part of the organization is the mayoral
elections and the elections. So to go to this level of the progress of their organization,
they had to postpone the elections to create mayoral election. But to postpone election,
they can't just postpone election like that. They need to have a reason. So
they need to use secondary legislation to do it. Because by the normal
regulation, they can't. Okay, I've got it. So in the UK, in England and UK, you've you've got
primary legislation, which are things that are past acts of parliament. So the parliament
votes and if they get the majority is an act, primary act of legislation. But oftentimes the
details are missing. The details of how these rules are created is missing. And that's where
the secondary legislation comes in. And it's also called delegated legislation or statutory
instruments. And these laws are made by ministers or even other bodies using powers
given to them by parliament through a primary act. Okay, that's a bit worrying because the primary
legislation is passed in parliament, but they're not voting on the detail. And as we know, the
devil is in the detail. So the secondary legislation gives technical rules, administrative
details, specific dates, standards, implementation. Okay, so what is the primary
legislation that they're using to pass the secondary legislation?
To pass the secondary legislation, they need to, at this point, for their organization,
this has to be requested from the councils. If the council requests the organisation,
because you have a particular criteria to fulfill if you want to reorganize,
something has to be going wrong with the local system to make the changes. So in the primary
legislation, that will be like bankrupts, some emergency, whatever. But because this didn't
happen, it's a secondary legislation used. And it has to be requested from the council.
The organisation has to be requested from the council. This is really messed up at the moment.
So that's why that was raised, because even if the secondary legislation they're trying to use,
it still needs to go for a particular criteria. So yes, the minister could use the secondary
legislation if the council requests the organisation. But the council at this
point need to go through the particular criteria as well. The council need to consult this
with the councillors. It couldn't be just decided by the cabinet. In this case, all the staff was
back in the 2025 with the postponement was decided by the cabinet everywhere.
So when I approached the minister, McMahon, and I said, do you have a consultation from the
councils? And he actually admitted they didn't. They didn't have it. So when I approached the
councils, they said they didn't have a time to consult other councillors or people.
So this is again, at this point, we can see the gaps straight away.
So the councils themselves are asking for reorganisation and structuring.
And it seems to be lots of these councils up and down the country at the same time are asking this
of central government. But the question is, why? Who is coordinating this? Who is coordinating
all these councils to ask for, because someone needs to be the conductor of the orchestra.
I mean, it just seems bizarre that all these councils independently are suddenly going, you
want to change how we're structured. We want to change and centralise power and do who someone
must propose this model of what it's going to look like. So who's proposed this model? And now
who's telling all these councils, hey, guys, come on, recommend this. We need to move on to this.
There must be somebody doing that. So the model, as I said in the beginning, the model was
proposed by Tony Blair. That's the devolution. And since he've done it, he've done a terraform
and gradually was giving power to the council from the parliament because he've done it a lot.
He've done the biggest damage here actually. You know, the reserve power, the share power,
that lots of power, what normally was in parliament, went to the councils. Council
started to make lots of decisions what they normally didn't have before the power to do.
So he started doing this and gradually over the time, we have more and more power going to the
councils. In 2020 already, when we had the lockdown, I think the government, the reserve power was
only in four areas. Security, international, international effort, and something else,
but not really massively, something what we actually did every day on the everyday basis.
So everything else went to the council. That was the only four reserve power which was in
government. Then they have lots of power which they share. And then that was some
which was completely just give away to the council. So that's how this started and how
this was gradually, gradually, gradually more going to the council. The council was gaining
more power. One of the very important moments was, of course, the COVID time and, you know,
and the Corona Act when they just give council special power, special extra power. So they
basically just speed up the reorganization, the devolution. And then council was in the
position to decide if they're going to do lockdown or not, if they're going to push
the vaccination or not. That wasn't a government. The government was just saying,
yes, you are free to do it because you've got this Corona Act, which is allowing you to do.
And if you do it, we give you the money because we have to give you money. We have the
agreements, international agreements that we do. So that's how this work with every single
other thing, developments, whatever, immigration, whatever.
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let's continue. That's the law. It's only 40 days to challenge the
second legislation. But we're challenging this from another kind of way, if I can say.
As I said, election's postponement of the election is a part of the real organization,
is like a key to the real organization. So what we've done as a residents, we actually,
I'm working with residents across the country. It's not like a political party. It's a pure
residential activity really. And nobody really hear about this, but residents across the country
challenging the councils about that for a while. So we collect lots of evidence
through the correspondence, which actually supports what I was just saying about the lack of evidence
for using secondary legislation. And we're just putting this all together now and sending this
to the parliament, to the scrutiny department. What we've done with the postponement of the
election last year, for example, we provide some evidence to the House of Lords. The House of
Lords postponement. So they use the evidence what we provided last year. They actually was reading
this in the parliament. But they lost because, you know, because the Lords, unfortunately,
they are not the same Lords what we used to have because the Starmer already changed half of the
House of Lords seats under the gender equality umbrella. So he just stripped the titles
from the real Lords and he put some civil servants and some executives from the Councils.
They are actually in the House of Lords. So the real Lords who stood up last year against
the postponement because he didn't have any mandate. Unfortunately, he lost because the
majority was supporting their organisation, but people who was already changed in the House of Lords.
So can I click the ashes out? When you write to the Council,
how long does that normally take for them to get back to you?
That depends what kind of letter you're sending because if you're sending
freedom of information, like if you're trying to gain some evidence,
they usually have 20 over 20 days, I think. But if you send sending some formal letter,
you can you can actually request the reply in particular time, usually 14 days.
So I didn't do that. But I wrote to them about two weeks ago and I still haven't heard back from
them. You know, I did the such that two weeks. Okay.
Okay. But I haven't heard back yet. So should I do a follow up email to them?
Not yet. Let me know. Let me know in a week.
Okay. Okay. All right. So if you can suggest a template letter that we can write to Parliament
and where to that, I think that'd be really useful.
Yeah, I will definitely do that. We launch the resident website. I'm going to put all the
documents there. It's really just for residents. And I really, really want many people, many more
people to join to join us because this is a proper roots movement. They are just ordinary people
sending the letters and doing lots of research and people who belong to different parties,
people who believe in different things, but they all have the same goal to actually stop this,
to stop the agenda. So we're working together. We're working the very, very good coordinated way
based on the facts only on the evidence what we what we gain over a few years now.
And if we could expand this kind of effort, we definitely going to succeed because we already did
even with people who are involved now, we managed to postpone the mayor election. That's
a very interesting part because people who are following reform party, they heard this big
headlines in January that they just was so angry that the elections are going to be postponed again
and this is so undemocratic and they are for people, they fighting for people. So actually,
that wasn't like that because, you know, we start doing the as a residence across the country,
we start doing the production protocol letters since October to the councils.
And we basically was telling them, look, you have to stop, you have to stop the mayor election
because they they are unlawful, you don't have a mandate, you don't have a mandate for the
organization. That's the evidence. And if you don't, if you don't answer, if you country
prove that we are wrong, then we're taking you to court. So what we managed, you all know that
that that was very sudden that was out of the blue in January in December, sorry, when the
government announced that they're going to hold the mayor election. Nobody expect that
came from nowhere, but actually that came after our production protocol letters to every single
council. And because of that reform party was furious because they was prepared for the
mayor election, they won the mayor election, they won the metro mayors, they had the
candidates for a metro mayors. So they they've been on every single headline,
very loud about this, that they're going to take the the government, they're going to take the
ministers to court because this is so undemocratic. So at this point, we we we've just been
thinking hold on what the hell are you doing, you know, because we just we just held the
mayor election and you just want to you just want them to to to you know, to go on.
So you've just halted, stopped the mayoral elections and reform desperately want them to
go ahead. Why would that be the case? Don't they understand that it's fundamentally anti-democratic,
that it's centralising power and it's destroying local government as we know it?
Yeah, that's a good question, because you know, they on the one hand they're saying they don't
they are against the centralised power, but there we go. That was their fight.
Then 12 days later, after we have the headlines with reform fighting for democracy by restoring
mayoral election, which doesn't make any sense. So 12 days later, we had the ministers again
saying that this time they propose, they propose to all council to cancel all ordinary
election. So obviously we react because we don't want the ordinary election to be cancelled.
We wrote to the to the to the cancels. And before the announcement, we wrote to the
cancels as well. We informed them about the PAP. This is so complicated. But you know,
the councillors in districts was aware of that as well. So as a result of that, the
correspondence that we had with the cancels, over 50% of the cancels actually said to the
to the government, no, thank you, we're not going to postpone the election.
So that was another loss in their organisation. That was another win for a residence,
because 50, over 50% of council is not good enough for a government to
push the organisation the way how they wanted. We slow down the whole process.
So soon when when the over 50% of the council said no reform part changed the
change the narrative, they they start saying that they all the all election
have to have to that wasn't about mayoral anymore. That was about all the election,
how undemocratic it is to cancel election. Regardless,
very 50% of the council already said no at this point. So that was only 29%.
29 council was counselling the election. And that's mostly the one who was going
for a mayoral election at this point. So that's very, very interesting.
And then what they done, they they, of course, we had another headlines that they
went to the court and they issue the ministers with the with the JR.
And what the court done, they said, they said, of course,
so you can go JR judicial review. Yeah, judicial review. But what the court said,
they court said, yeah, it's all fine. But you have to do the production protocol letters
to the councils. And then you can come back on 19. So hold on, if you are,
you know, very experienced politician, you're sitting in politics for so many years,
don't you know that you're supposed to do the production protocol letter to the
council because they are the people who make indecision, not the ministers,
because the council have to request the postponement. So if you're a political
politician on this level, surely you are aware of that. Why are you saying ministers?
But you see, that's now it's a danger, because if they're going on 19 to the court,
and if the judge say that all election have to have to be held this year,
that's mean they restore the mayoral election, which the resident just had.
I'm getting a headache.
That's why I have a hemorrhage in my eye, you know.
I'm getting a headache. So now we don't want the elections to go ahead, because if they do,
there'll be mayoral elections. But if the elections don't go ahead,
they're circumventing local democracy. I'm just so confused. So what happens?
At this point, the most logical thing, the best thing that could ever happen,
is if their case is lost. Because we already have over 50% of the council saying,
no, we're not postponing. So they are already holding their elections. They already do.
So that would be the best outcome.
Reform just wants mayoral elections. So for example, of all the councils,
how many want to hold these mayoral elections?
Oh, I don't remember now, because the mayoral election, that's the problem,
because if they restore all area which shouldn't have elections this year at all,
that wasn't planned for them to have an election,
they would have an election for a mayoral election, because they're already
in the progress of their organization. Another thing, what's happened,
during this dispute, some of the councils, like Essex, for example,
they decide, we're going to be, we're going to just announce,
speed up the organization without a mandate. And they decide,
we just reorganize now. So before the dispute,
they was going for a normal, ordinary election. But during this time,
they already asked the minister to grant their organization their councils.
So now if the elections are restored, they're going for a mayoral election,
not for an ordinary election anymore. Listen, I know I keep saying it,
but Tony Blair was a long time ago. Tony Blair was in power a very long time ago.
I just, it'd be interesting to know who is pushing this now.
Where's this agenda coming from?
He's still in power. He's Tony Blair Institute.
He's one of the big advisors for not only for UK.
Okay, so he's still active and he's still pushing behind the scenes.
Right, okay. Okay, I've got it. I've got it. I've got it. I've got it.
All right, okay. Bloody hell. Right, next.
Should we all stand as counselors at the next election? Should we all try and,
what should happen? What should we do?
That's another thing, because people need to understand that it is so important.
And please, honestly, everyone need to properly wake up. I know the wake up
world is just boring now, but really everyone need to properly wake up.
The only reason why we have the situation is because for many years,
we just decide, we don't like what's going on, every politician is bad, blah, blah, blah.
So I am not going to vote. That's strong because you're leaving them a gap,
what they can just use as your voice. So we all should stand up as a candidate.
We should stand up candidate. If not, we should go and vote for our friends or for,
you know, for a party what you trust. Never vote and never even mention any of the
parties which are in the parliament that establish, you know, uniparty.
And forget the one thing from Poland, from many other countries which actually
you've been the system before, there is no tactical voting. Tactical voting means
control voting. Tactics mean controlling things. Everyone should go there and vote with
your heart. If you can't see on the paper that candidate which actually,
you know, if somebody was suiting you, you should think about this and stand up
yourself and ask your friends, ask your neighbor to stand as a candidate or find
part, like the heritage party, for example, that's a safe area. We need people to stand
for us as well. We are the working one. How hard is it to stand as a counsellor?
Like how many people do you need to vote for you? What's the process?
Like how many people need to support your application? What do you need to do?
It's not that hard anymore. It's going to be hard. At the moment is, I think you need
to signature to support you. Do you need to put any money up? Like, you know, like the
general election? No, no. So no money? General election, yeah, general election,
yeah, but not local election. And how many people roughly do you feel?
Like, how many people, like, you know, do you need normally, how many people vote? Like,
do you need thousands of people to vote or do you think you could get in with just a couple
hundred votes? The Lib Dems in my area, they're always winning with the same number.
With the same number. It's in the average election, local election, it's about 780 or
something because it's a very small percentage of people voting. That's what I'm saying.
If there's an awake community and they're very motivated and very driven, even though
they're a small number, they could get a candidate in because if 90% of them pitch up to vote,
but the general population only 10% vote or 20%, then that's how you get your person in.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And also, you know, everyone really should go and vote. Everyone
should stand because, as I said, they have the gaps. They really have the gaps. They can
fulfill the gaps. Nobody will going to ever check this. So it's impossible.
Okay. We also should have some kind of, I personally don't agree with voting anonymously
because I think you should be, nobody is hiding what they believe. Nobody is hiding who they
support. And that's the key to have not very democratic election when you're actually
not saying who you are and who you vote for. But unfortunately, this is how it is.
Okay. Is there anything else we need to cover?
Yeah. It's a lot to cover actually with what's going on at the moment. So
I just want to say this is extremely, extremely important because
another thing what's happened a few days ago, we issued a section 151 letters to the officers
in the Councils. This is about finances and that was the back step date was not yesterday
on 9th of February. So we try to actually influence that and we did because two days ago,
again, that was on the internal news that the government, what has never happened normally,
agreed that they was wrong about the numbers. They normally never agree about that. Never.
So they, and they have to postpone the back step for a week and try to fix the, fix the
holes, the financial holes. And we're talking about massive millions. So what they've done,
which is again really very danger and it needs residents action at the moment,
what they've done, they decide that the district have too much money and they move
113 million, 113 million from districts to the County Councils now to fill the gaps
what the Council, what the County Council spent and they just, you know, they,
they wasn't really, they couldn't really prove what they've done with the money. So they fill
the gaps by taking the money from the district's Council. So that's, that's again, it's a,
it's a step to dissolve the district council because people will think they fail and
and they're going to ban, if people don't think that they're going to bankrupt anyway,
so that would be a reason to just get rid of them. Again, a reason for a reform party
to actually push forward the metro mayors again as well. So that's another area which we need to
support the system what we have at the moment, the district and parish, parish system.
Got it. No, I'm sorry. I am so chaotic, but you know, I am really trying to work against time
at the moment and it's just so many things happening in one day. And you have to control
this, everything that I'm dealing with, with lots of people around the country as well.
Madeleine, this is very frustrating. We can see the problems, you know, metro mayors,
unelected officials, neutralization of power, only democracy, you know, politicians who've
just been parachuted in because they're buddies with the politicians in Westminster.
And like, you know, where is it? Was it Manchester or something where you have an MP
who then becomes a mayor? What was his name? Burnham or something like that? I can't remember.
And they're all, they're all globalists at the end of the day. They're all Fabian.
Yeah. They're all Socialists. They're all Communists. They're all pushing the trans
agenda, the climate agenda, the COVID vaccine agenda.
That's a problem, isn't it?
It is a problem, but the COVID vaccine agenda, this is, this is the thing to
preoccupy our mind as well. When we have the metro mayors, when we have not even metro
mayors, because that's probably will come gradually. Now we're going to have this
leadership, whatever position and the mayor, but that's exactly the same. It's exactly
the same. It's going to be, you know, going for the, for the smart cities.
We have to remember that this is affecting every single part of our life. It's not about some
centralized power as a word. That's actually really is a centralized power. So whatever we touch,
if we're doing shopping, if we're doing the digital idea, you know, if we're doing
developments, we will have absolutely no influence on what's going on. Absolutely
not none. As I said, that would be about 10 people deciding for a massive area of
of UK, wherever we live, 10 people will be deciding for us.
So we need to act. And I, if anyone is capable of sending few letters, and if anyone
want to do something about what's going on at the moment, I really, really
appreciate if people email me and we can just expand this, this residential action.
Remind people what your email address is.
The best at the moment is to send to my party address is Jensak at heritageparty.org.
So that's Jensak, G-E-N-S-E-C at heritageparty.org. Yes.
But I, we do have a separated, separated email because, you know, this is not political
party, political action. We are involved because heritage party, of course, I am in
heritage party. Some people are from heritage party. Some people are from different party.
It doesn't matter. We are all residents. But, you know, the party is the one who's working
hard for a year. So we have the evidence to support anyone at the moment, whatever
people want to do. We have the evidence because we've been collecting them.
We've been doing formal challenge. But that's residents, residents let
action, national action is at the moment. So how many members do you have in the
heritage party? I can't say. But we have good members.
I know. But is it in the thousands? We should have more, but we are very much like the camp
free. Do you have any councillors? Yeah, we have 12, I think.
That's good. And they are very good. They are very, very good. I have to
send you some videos because, especially in Kent, it's just amazing.
Sean is giving them a headache from the moment when he went into the council.
Maybe introduce me to Sean. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Let me have a chat with him.
And when you say we need to act, I know you said about the letters, but again,
anything else, like in terms of act, when you say like act, we need to do something.
People are listening to this thinking like, well, what do we need to do? One,
they're going to email you. Two, they're going to send a letter. But what are they going to say
in that letter? And who are they going to send it to? We need to explain everything to everybody.
That's a proper strategy. So it's not like a one letter. This is a progress. You have
to do step by step. This is a proper legal strategy. So we're doing everything legally
and based on the official legal documents. So when you're sending one letter,
then we have a following letter and everything what is happening on the site, I am controlling
this every day with little, very small team. So everything what is happening every day is
giving us something else to react straight away, to stop, to slow down the next steps
what they're doing. So this is very active group. And I have at this point yesterday,
we have to send another, another letter to the section 151 officers everywhere after them.
So am I right? Okay, listen, I know that you're saying what you're doing.
Do you think, am I reading this right? Like what you need is actually more volunteers. You need
more people working with you in the team. So if I've got listeners who are like wanting to
do something, if you're retired, if you've got time in your hand, if you want to help,
they should get in touch with you and say, look, I want to volunteer my time and help you. Am I right?
To some extent, yeah, because it's not helping me. It's like a help on the both side,
because I am providing the legal grounds, the evidence and the guidance, what you can do
to stop the agenda. And each person who is involved, they actually just running their own
case with the groups of people there. So it is, I am controlling this, we are controlling this with
another small group of people, because we need to check the regulation, we need to check the news,
we need to check what is going on in the parliament. So I'm just giving the advice
what to do next. Meanwhile, because all these people around the country sending me the feedback,
sending me the replies what they're receiving, I have a bunch of evidence which I am putting together
and creating formal letters to the ministers and to lawyers. So that's working like a proper,
properly organized strategy at this point, like a massive, massive case. And what's happened
with the reform, this is like the proper destruction of just people, regular, ordinary
people doing. So you were talking about reform party? Yeah, with the mayor election, what they
was trying to, they trying to restore. So I didn't understand that. So what is that about
the reform party? You were saying the regular people? I'm just saying what the reform part
have done with the mayor election, asking to restore the election and misleading people,
because people don't really understand. This is like acting, contradicting what these people who
was working very hard done, because they managed to hold their election. So yeah, okay, yeah, reform
basically undermined the work that your local activists had achieved. And you know what is very
interesting. Another interesting thing is when the action protocols were sent, they were sent
to all councils. And councilors was aware of that of this, including the councilors from the
reform party. So they was totally aware that the nation, just ordinary people standing up and
trying to challenge that and trying to challenge the postponement, trying to challenge their
organization. None of the councilors reply, and I'm talking about across the country,
none of the reform councilors reply to any of the person with any kind of support.
Instead, they actually have done their own case, which is completely contradicting what the
resident has done. Wasn't there a reform counsellor who resigned and went public on social media and
said, this is not what I signed up for, this is completely wrong? Yeah, okay, that's, I am not,
are you talking about Norfolk? He's not reform. Sure is reform. He's not reform. He said he's
going to step down and try to call for a by election. No, no, no, that's not the one. No,
no, no. It was a reform. I remember seeing on X, a reform counsellor who then resigned. But anyway,
it doesn't matter. They have a very decent members. They do have a very decent members,
you know, and really good people. But that's the problem because people are being misled.
And if you look on the facts, if you look on the timing, you can see clearly what's going on.
Okay. All right. Okay. Right. Is there anything else we need to cover?
Okay, I'm not sure you can ask me anything. I don't know, because I'm just focusing on the
stuff that I am in at the moment, but I am happy to answer any question.
All right. So I found the guy for David Taylor, Reform UK, Worcestershire County Council.
He says reform are now raising taxes. And that is not what reform promised.
If a party cannot stick to its core pitch, once it gets a bit power, supporters have every right
to lose face. He went, he said, this is not what I signed up for. There's one.
Oh, yeah, it's nice. And I'm sure there was another one as well.
But yeah, I need to find it. Yeah, lots of flood. That's a large number of people actually left
them. Sam was sacked, I swear. Yeah, I heard that as well. Some were sacked. Some were
not doing their job, but claiming the money. There's so much corruption and there's so many
people who, man, people are so flawed. And there's just some bad eggs out there.
But that's a very danger, because they're still calling themselves opposition. And that's why
I never criticise anyone. But at this point, you know, I have to, because this is the classic
misleading kind of party what we used to have in Poland. And if you think who joined them
recently, like Jenrik and Zahavi. So if you think about these people who joined the reform,
they lost already. They disappointed the nation previously. They have scandals behind them.
Jenrik was pushing developments. He actually had bribes from the developers. And that was a big
scandal with Zahavi, with the tax scandal as well. Why people don't see this? Who actually is joining
the reform party? That is no longer an opposition party. It's not. It's a uni party. This is the
people who, you know, who faith us. Absolutely. So Zahavi was in a tax scandal? Yeah, he was in
some tax. I don't really remember this completely, but that was some, yeah, that was some tax problems
there. You can check on them. Okay, okay. Yeah, he's paid five million pounds.
Yeah, to set his tax affairs. Okay, that's interesting. And so he received 27 million
without initially paying tax. Is that right? Wow. And what is the other one guy, Jenrik?
Jenrik. Yeah, Jenrik. What was his scandal? That is still unresolved completely because,
you know, it just went under the carpet. But so many developments, the developments
which we opposed to was accepted during the lockdown. And some of this actually came out.
But I suppose personally, I suppose many more should be investigated.
But he was caught on the fact that, you know, he collaborates with some developer
in exchange for some donation. Yeah, a million pound, a billion pound development unlawfully
signed off last year when he was the housing secretary has now been rejected by his old
department. The former cabinet minister sparked a cash for favor scandal during the first COVID
lockdown after admitting he unlawfully approved Tory donor Richard Desmond's 1500 home development
on London's Isle of Dogs. Wow. He did so one day before the council passed a new rate
for its community infrastructure levy, a move that would have increased the property owner's
financial liability by between 30 and 50 million pounds. Fortnight later, the government gave 12,000
pounds to the Conservative Party. Look how cheap the Conservative Party is. You know,
they're saving this guy 30 to 50 million pounds. And in return, they're getting 12,000 pounds and
they're like, they're willing to commit to do things that are illegal and unlawful. Wow.
But again, that's what we know from the press. That was probably something to hide other stuff
because we have developments locally, which was approved by the Secretary of State.
And that was generic then. And the development was approved then, as I said, during the lockdown.
So this is during the time when nobody was consulted. Nothing was specifically
examined properly, like the environment habitat and everything else, everything else,
because it was the lockdown. So how many of these developments was approved by him?
And for what kind of favor? And that's what I don't understand. All these failed, nasty,
former Conservative politicians are now joining reform. And the idiots, the plebs out there
are cheering it on like it's a great win. And it's like, are you crazy? Are you that stupid?
Like, what's wrong with you? Like, these are the same failed, horrible lockdown, jab pushing,
anti-democratic, globalist, WF Davos politicians who are now just jumping ship to reform.
And you think suddenly they're the good guys? What's wrong with you? What is wrong with people?
Madeline, tell me. I don't know. But honestly, I am slightly more positive at the moment. I really
do feel more positive because in the past few months, since November, the circle of people,
the residents really expanded. And we have amazing, amazing people. I have people at the moment
on holidays abroad, because they have some winter holidays. But they reported to me
straight away, look, I am somewhere, somewhere, but I have my iPads. What do I need to send?
Just tell me. So whenever I just said, look, it's a really urgent letter to send and this
and this to your cancer, could you do it? No problem. So everyone is really trying to
challenge their own cancer, because everyone is trying to avoid this
massive taxes and massive overdevelopment. And we need to keep the system what we have.
We don't want to live in smart cities. No, we don't. Right. Listen, I'm going to wrap it up now.
I've got one request. This is not going to be a usual podcast episode. This is going to go out
to everybody, the full episode. But in the substack notes and the show notes, I want to
put an action plan. If you can just spend an hour or two writing down an email, what the
action plan is like, call to action. What do my listeners and readers need to do? Whether it's
contact you, email you, join the heritage party, sign up for, you know, a counselor, become a
counselor, stand for election, whether it's writing letters, joining your volunteer team,
whatever it is, you know, can you just put down bullet points, a call to action,
so that I can get this out and send it to everybody? Is that okay? Absolutely. That
would be fantastic. Yeah. And I heard that you're thinking about standing, do you?
Yeah, I saw that. Why not? I will. That would be fantastic. That would be great.
Look, you will be fantastic minister of health. Why not? Why somebody else should be there?
Absolutely. I mean, I've kind of semi-joked, but I was kind of being serious. I said,
like, if I was prime minister, by midday, I'd probably fix, like, 80% of the problems.
Yeah. I start early. You know, I start work, like, half past five, six o'clock. So, you know,
it would be five, six hours of work. But you know, I'm telling you right now, I could start a lot of
shit or get things going in the right direction. You would have to get rid of the people in the
parliament first and can't see us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, one day, you never know.
All right, Madeleine, listen, thank you so much. Thank you so much. God bless you.
You're doing so much work. I think you need to rest. You know, this I thing is also,
and I know it's all very stressful dealing with all the stuff, but, you know, just take a break,
listen to your body, relax, and then come back. Yeah. Fine. But before you relax,
do the call to action list. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I will do it today.
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