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This is this was all lies and that's what made me then go into these other events

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9-11 like man if I was like to about this that's I gotta revisit 9-11 9-11 for me was sacred for the longest time

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I was a firefighter because of it

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As someone that believed in science, I'm not saying I don't believe in science

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But science has also become very dogmatic, you know

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It comes off as something that is anti religious anti dogma

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And yet it does the same things that religious

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Organizations do you have to believe in these tenets or we will ex-communicate you and Pontius pilot famously says what is truth?

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Do you believe you have a soul? I don't know anymore, man

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This is what pissed off my parents like no

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We have to accept the resurrection story and they would get mad and I'm just a

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Inquisitive little kid man. I was like nine years old. No, but he's got it, right?

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You tell me he's got he knows everything and he claimed to be the son of God

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So we have to we have to do something with that you either have to believe him or you don't

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I want to try to be the best person that I can't I'm not perfect by any means man

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But I'm gonna try to do things as best as I could so that if I go or if my brain goes at one point

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You're like hey man, at least he was trying to be the best person that he could be

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Hey everyone, I wanted to make a quick intro before we get into the actual show because I don't think I gave my guest a proper

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Introduction while we were actually recording so that's my bad

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So I'll do that now my guest today goes by the name of wheezy

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And he is the host of the what is truth?

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Podcasts guys you guys should check this show out, especially if you enjoyed today's conversation

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he talks about conspiracies and my personal favorites is his

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Podcasts on the Lincoln assassination and alternate histories with that

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I mean he's got some great stuff on the moon landing current events given some pretty interesting takes and so make sure to check

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It out you guys will definitely enjoy it

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Anyways, thanks for listening and I hope you enjoy the show. Well, thanks for taking the time to meet

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Yeah, I look forward to talking to you because I've I got introduced to your

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Podcasts, I think probably about six months ago and I've been tuning in pretty regularly actually and so

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I like what you do

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Appreciate it. How'd you find it by the way? So the first podcast I watched was your moon landing one with Randy Walsh

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Okay, and that was a good one and then I just kind of went back into the archives and was listening to some of your episodes on Lincoln

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And I was like, man, this is actually this I I'd never heard this before

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I've never heard any of these this hypothesis. That's actually backed up with a lot of like

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There's there's so many holes in that story, man

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So I want to go ahead. Yeah, I went to a DC in April of last year

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It was the 160 year anniversary and I wanted to put my hypothesis to the test with like

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Top-notch people, you know people that work at four theater Rangers. They were pissed

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They couldn't rebut anything I said, but they didn't like that their narratives

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See a lot of people can't accept that they could be wrong, you know things that they've

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Held dearly for so long and so that's what made me laugh even more late. They didn't rebut me. They just got mad

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You know, they just got angry

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What were some of the what was like some of the biggest Henry Ratbone repeating his deposition three times verbatim

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Because I told him I go, but I my this sounds crazy

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But I believe Henry Ratbone is the most likely shooter like get out of here. You're this is insane

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No one's ever said that no and I started giving my pieces, you know

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The three depositions memorized then what he goes on to do later on and Germany killing his wife

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silk inflicted inflicted up knife wounds and trying to cover it up as a merger

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Yeah, those were some of the bigger pieces and they they just they couldn't rebut it they're like damn

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But they were angry and they were upset. Yeah, that's that's crazy. So Henry Ratbone

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I was gonna get to Lincoln in the middle of the conversation, but we'll just talk about it now

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Can you can you give us like a flyby of who he was? Yeah, Henry Ratbone

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Was a civil war, I guess you could say vet at this point in time and he was actually the third person

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On the invite list to be there with Lincoln during his visit to Forrest Theatre

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So the Civil War had ended on the on April 9th

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Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant and Appomattox on April 9th

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And they were supposed to be going to I guess to celebrate if you can imagine

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I'd like to tell people you have to imagine DC was probably in several

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Celebratory mood at the moment, you know had been a long war many years lives lost

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And I'm sure people had family on both sides

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And so it had to be a huge relief for for the war to had been over and I

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Supposed to kind of wind down and enjoy some of this victory. There was a

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Play our American cousin was to be had at a Ford's Theatre

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Ulysses is Grant was supposed to be there next to Abraham Lincoln

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And if you look at all the posters leading up if you go to Ford's Theatre

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They still have the posters right there advertising Ulysses as Grant is gonna be there with Lincoln Ulysses as Grant decides to back out

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couple hours prior and that reminds me a lot of like how Mr.

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Silverstein, you know owner of the World Trade Center who was there every morning every day

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But just on that he so just so happens to get a haircut. It's just the right time

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So the Ulysses is Grant bailing out a couple hours prior to this is very sus in my in my in my opinion

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and so then there was

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Another individual Thomas Secker who later became assistant secretary of war and was super close to Edwin Stanton

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who I view as kind of like the Dick Cheney of the Lincoln era and

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He backed out. He also declined. So then the third string was Mr. Henry Rathbone. Mr. Henry Rathbone

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Allegedly, they were chosen because his wife and

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Mary Todd Lincoln got along they were good friends

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That's one of the reasons that that are given as to why they were invited over other people

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Because that's one of the things that official historians will often point out is that

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Ulysses as Grant his wife did not get along with Mary Todd Lincoln and that's why he pulled out

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I don't buy it. You're not gonna I mean if you're gonna bail out you might as well have done it way before it was announced and put on posters

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You don't do it a couple of hours

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In my opinion, but yeah, Henry Rathbone's wife Clara Harris who was also his step sister

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They were fiance at this point in time. She really got along with Mary Todd Lincoln

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That's why they were chosen and I view him as the suspect as there's a shooter

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You know, the if you've heard anything about the Lincoln assassination

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You always hear John Wilkes Booth was a shooter jumps down breaks his leg gets caught 12 days later end of story

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That in a nutshell is the Lincoln assassination

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Yeah, but what draws me to it is when you really start breaking it down and you start looking at the little finer details

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None of it makes sense including the Seward attack the Seward mansion attack

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That's a massive component to the Lincoln story and my inspiration is David McGowan

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He's the one that led me down this path and he

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He's of the thought that the sword mansion attack never took place

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And this is key because if the sword mansion never took place then obviously

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Obviously, there's more to the story of what happened and transpired at Forrest Theatre. So

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Henry Rathbone did he work for Lincoln? Was he part of his cabinet? No, he was a he was a military guy

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I can't remember if he was a

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Colonel or yeah somewhere along and so he was also in the military and he was invited

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Yeah, man Ulysses pulling out is that's that's that's interesting

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And I heard you mentioned on one of the other podcasts is that like he did it because he wanted to catch the train

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Yeah, but but he he he didn't get home any earlier if he just waited like for the next one, right?

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Yeah

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So he ended up catching the midnight train to go the official excuse given is that he wanted to be with his kids

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That Saturday morning he caught the midnight train out of had a town and people that have looked into the train

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Manifest and the schedules for that time period have noticed that by catching the midnight train

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It wasn't a straight shot. There was a layover. I can't remember what town

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But there was a long layover like a four or five hour layover

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So by the time they finally got to New York if they would have caught the six in the morning

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A.m. They would have only been off by two hours instead of having like a five six hour layover somewhere else

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You know, I mean, so it makes no sense

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And so why do they want to why did why did Lincoln? Why do you think Lincoln's own guys like his own right-hand men?

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Like his his top leaders. Why did they want to kill him?

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So just like a lot of things I'm of the mindset

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I've never proclaimed to know it definitely was because of this or because of that

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I have theories some of those theories. I'm of the mindset, you know, like I mentioned David McGowan

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He's been passed away for 10 years and you can find a lot of his work at a Center for an informed America com

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Which was a play on words for CIA and he passed away

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He he died of a like basically turbo cancer

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Shortly and he was diagnosed shortly after he exposed the Boston Marathon bombing

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He did an exquisite expose and I don't know where you're gonna be posting this

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So it might not be safe to really talk about it too much

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But if anyone wants to watch that four-hour podcast that David McGowan did I did I do have it on my

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Odyssey channel if you go to my Odyssey channel, there's a search tab

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Just put in David McGowan all the things related to David McGowan including a moon landing book

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He's got he wrote the book wagon the moon doggie

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Which in my opinion is one if you don't believe the moon landings that is one of the best books out there

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Hands down, but David McGowan was a a former journalist and super inquisitive guy and

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What I learned from him is if you find big holes in some of these stories early on

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Why should you just freely accept everything else you really then have to start questioning everything else

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That's what he did with the Boston Marathon bombing and so many of these other events and

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I'm sorry. I got a little sidetracked. What was it?

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Yeah, you're good question you introduced him

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But because he introduced you to the Lincoln assassination

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But like why do you think because it makes sense like if Southerners like, you know

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Southerners want to kill Lincoln that you know keep the war effort going but like why did those in the north on Lincoln's own team?

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Why did they want to kill him?

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I got you so much like I'm of the same mindset of David McGowan that

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We have this fake left-right divide and I say it's fake. It's real. There is there are liberals

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There are Christian conservatives. It's that's real, but the divisions to put us

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Against each other are nonsense because the same agendas get pushed through no matter who's president

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Doesn't matter if it's Joe Biden is behind president Israel's still gonna be doing their thing and Gaza now

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We have Trump nothing's changed the same agendas in the background still go through some people may disagree with that and that's fine

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But that's how I view it and that's how I see things and that's how Dave McGowan viewed it

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So we go back to this time period. Yeah, we had the north and the south one of the

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The bloodiest war in our nation's history

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But there was money being made by figures up top the elites down south the elite up in the north

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One of my theories is Lincoln although I I do view him as a tyrant

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There were many things that I vehemently disagreed with there were some things that he was trying to change a little bit

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He had plans to the war

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People had already been thinking that the war was gonna be winding down towards the north's favor months before it officially ended and

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Lincoln had been planning on taking it easy on the south not being so hard a lot of the

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Radical Republicans wanted to punish the south and by having Lincoln at the helm that was not going to happen now

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What happened after Andrew Johnson vice president Andrew Johnson got put in a

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Rather notorious reconstruction period took over so that's exactly what ended up happening and so that's that's a very very plausible theory

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this whole theory that it was a

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Confederate plot holds really no water, you know the the war had already been over why kill Lincoln, you know

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You the south had to know that that was all the repercussions were gonna fall back upon them

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Which ended up doing it happening anyways

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So there was no reason for it and then when you look at the Masonic connections

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There was masons on both sides on the north and the south John Wilkes Booth was a Mason Edwin Stanton was a Mason

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That's another key aspect to it

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I I I view Booth somewhat of a Lee Harvey Oswald type a Muhammad Ata

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These were just figures to leave some kind of a paper trail to leave a narrative that you can go with

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You know what I mean, but the like I mentioned at the very beginning when you really dig into the finer details

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None of the story makes any sense the one shot derringer that one doesn't make any sense the fact that

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John Wilkes Booth would use a gun that only has one bullet carries one round. What if you missed?

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What if you missed what if the guard that was supposed to be guarding the the entry instead of going downstairs to get drunk?

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Actually decided to stay his post, you know, so it's not just what about missing. It's all these little things

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This is what I mean. It's not just one thing. Oh, you're making a big deal out of one thing

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No, I can list you problem after problem after problem with the story

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Other issues with the story is for all these big parts to what we are sold as the official story

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There are two to three different versions to it John Wilkes Booth a lot of people

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You know through the stories and what you grew up hearing is that he broke his leg when he jumped down from the box

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Down onto the stage. That's I guess if you want to call it the consensus

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But that's what John Wilkes Booth said in his diary in order to make him seem more like a like a boss

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You know, I broke my leg and and I don't even think he I have questions

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Whether he wrote all those entries or anything on those entries on the boot diary for the simple reason that the FBI did a

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Forensics analysis in the 70s. They found so much tamperings

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Pages glued on and ripped out. How much of the boot diary can we take at face value as well?

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The other part to the breaking of the leg other people believe that Wilkes Booth probably more than likely broke his leg later on

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When he escaped when his horse fell upon him. That sounds a lot more realistic. I went to like I mentioned at the very beginning

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I went to DC. I sat in Ford's Theater. I'm 43 years old. I could make the damn jump and not break my leg

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It's not very high. It's high, but you're not gonna break your leg

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Okay, and from what we understand, I mean Booth was 26 27 super athletic young actor

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I mean, and that's why I mentioned I'm 43 if I could make it

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I don't see why a young athletic man couldn't yeah, you know what I mean, but so I've read the book by a

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Timothy as good it's called we saw Lincoln shot and it features a

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hundred testimonies from people that were allegedly there at Ford's Theater and

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It's interesting how there's really no witnesses to what happened inside the box at Ford's Theater

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So what we have to go on is Henry Rathbone's deposition

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He was the only one deposed Mary ton Lincoln was in the box Clara Heron his sister his step sister fiance

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Claire Harris was also in the box, but none of those gave depositions. We only have one deposition

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That's Henry Rathbone's the people that were in the theater

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Some say they heard the discharge of a gun others say they didn't hear anything at all

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The interesting thing that you get from reading these these alleged testimonies is how a lot of them say that

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They didn't even know what was going on

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They thought it was part of the play which I find rather interesting when I hear that in today's lens

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If so if something doesn't look really that looks fake

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I don't know how you feel about the Trump assassination attempt

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Well, I viewed that as soon as I saw my man

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This doesn't look natural the reactions in the crowd the reactions by the by President Trump

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Nothing looked natural at all and then when he turned his head at the wrong mo at just the right moment in Trump's case

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Because I had gone down the Lincoln hole, you know rabbit hole

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It brought back Lincoln memories because Lincoln turned his head at the wrong moment

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And that's how Wilkes Booth was able to get that lethal shot. I don't know if you caught that in any of the shows

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So Lincoln was sat in that presidential box and he was closest to the door

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His left ear was closest to the wall the proceedings on the stage were that way to the right, okay?

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we're told that the gunshot the fatal gunshot came through his left ear and

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Lodged under his right eye. So think about that if you're a right-hander, which Booth was and you're holding a one-shot

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Daringer, that's a funky looking shot

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You know your your wrist is gonna be turned around to make that shot

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So he was seated to his left to Lincoln's left who was seated the shooter the shooter was John

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Wilkes Booth came from behind from behind, okay?

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That's that's the story that he came from behind

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Yeah, and and Lincoln was sitting next to the left-hand wall his left ear was next to the left-hand wall

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So right there. We are told the shot came from the back of the left ear and lodged under his right eye

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So boom, so picture that close your eyes picture that how do you make a shot your wrist is literally turning like that?

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So what historians have said happened was Lincoln turned his head at the wrong moment and that enabled the death shot

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So yeah, you see what I'm saying he turned his head at the wrong moment

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So that's I want to hear the Trump so he turned his head at just the right moment

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He survived I started laughing because with a lot of these historical events a lot of these

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questionable events a lot of these

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conspiratorial events you start to see overlap you start to see many many similarities in the Epstein stuff the cameras didn't work

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You know they just conveniently went down. Yeah in the Lincoln assassination the telegraph lines went down a couple for a couple of hours

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And there are even reports that the lights, you know, they used gas lights at that point in time period a gas line went out

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So yeah, yeah that from the witnesses perspective, I I can understand why you like you're there to see a show, right?

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Like you're you're there you want to be entertained and you know a noise happens and all of a sudden you're just like wait, what?

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And so I could see how they thought maybe is this part of the show

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You know because I've I've been out in public and like I've seen street performers, right?

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Like who like maybe maybe ten seconds before like you didn't know they were gonna be like performing something

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And so like you think maybe this is all just part of some performance, right?

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Like I've been at shows where like the dude standing next to me ends up going in and jumping and doing some like acrobatics

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I don't know if you've ever been to like Central Park or anything like that where like some people are like doing these street performances

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But sometimes somebody I didn't know who was a part of the show ends up coming out of the crowd and being a part of the

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Show like I'm also remember if you go back to

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the

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The shooting in Colorado

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I think it was in Boulder where they were doing a screening of Batman Begins

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This was the one of the first ones I think and some of the witnesses where they were saying like the shooter got up

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And they thought it was a part of the show as well

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Like they they were just like because he was he was like dressed in some sort of costume. I think

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Yeah, like the Joker I believe yeah

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So I think maybe it's like our first instinct to think like well

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This can't be some like murderer right like so because you're trying to rationalize why

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Why you've departed from like the normal course of events like you're trying to think like why what is that noise?

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What is this and then you soon find out it will have nothing to do with with the original event

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Which I've never been in that type of situation

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But I don't I don't think it's a far leap for me to think for some of those testimonies that say we thought

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It was a part of the show dad actually kind of lines up with my understanding of like just how a

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Navigate person might try to explain like an anomaly in real time. I get you I completely

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Yeah, get where you're coming from the problem is when we look at the story going back to the story. Hmm

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Mary Todd Lincoln was in that box

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Yeah, and so was Clara Harris and none of them screamed none of them yelled

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Which is weird. Yeah

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No one in the know none of the witness heard them make any sound if we focus on Henry Rathbone's deposition of the events

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which again the

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Wild part is that in no less than three occasions

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He pretty much verbatim says the same thing over and over and over again like a memorized script

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And in his version of events he he's talking about, you know

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The the gunshot and then he seen a cloud of smoke come through and he heard who he later

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Describes as John Wilkes Booth. That was the other thing with the witness very few people

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Identify John Wilkes Booth. It's become we've heard it so many times that oh, yeah, it was definitely John Wilkes Booth

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It was definitely John Wilkes Booth one thing that I don't think I keep forgetting

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But I'll bring it up now to bring up is during the trial the coke conspirators

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They were shown the picture of Edwin Booth John Wilkes Booth's brother

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So all these alleged witnesses that said it was John Wilkes Booth were actually

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Identifying Edwin Booth as the shooter because that's they were being shown that picture and they were saying oh, yeah, that was him

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That was that was the guy that that was at the theater

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so it none of it makes any sense and

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Again going back to Henry Rathbone's version of events Wilkes Booth shoots him and then yells

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According to Rathbone says freedom shoot

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It's just comical to me

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I don't know the more I think about it shoots him in the head says freedom and then

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The Henry Rathbone that's when he makes a lunge towards John Wilkes Booth like he's gonna start grappling with him

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And John Wilkes Booth takes out the 10 inch bowie knife and starts slashing at him

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Allegedly cuts Henry Rathbone in between the shoulder and the elbow

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So around the bicep area takes a big gash several inches deep allegedly

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That's when Wilkes Booth gets on top of the front of the box

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The presidential box and that's when he leaps down and some of the witnesses says that he kind of like staggers a little bit

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And then stands up holds a bloodless life or knife

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There which is weird. Why would I mean he just stabs someone what shouldn't it be have blood or something?

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But he holds a bloodless knife up and that's where some people say he yelled six emperor tyrannous

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Others say he said the South is avenged others say he said nothing at all

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So there is no there is no consensus even with that part of the story

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This is what I mean with so many of these moving parts

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It's almost like the official story that you hear that you know

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It's just a bunch of stuff that whoever's telling you to tell this is the version that they want you to hear

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This is this is what I think happened

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But when you break it down all these pieces have two or three different versions of it

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So how do we know which one is the real version? No, they're just cherry picking the story that they want

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That's another part that people don't fully understand or or accept to it

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So then booth or I'm sorry. Yeah booth gives this theatrical speech. It's quiet in the theater

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No one's yelling on screaming. Absolutely. No, there was a couple of thousand people in there

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Much of them were probably armed. You have to imagine most of the people in the audience were probably veterans

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This is the 1800s. It's not like today's where leave your guns, you know, no guns allowed. No, you're talking about a packed theater

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With military vets all around so we're told we're to believe that boot jump down

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Gives us theatrical speech and then sprints out with a broken leg to his horse and gets away

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I don't believe any of it, man

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Yeah, the people were allowed to escape and preach, you know

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I didn't think of the fact that there was probably be a lot of military officers with their sidearms

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You know, everybody was carrying a gun in the 1800s

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It was a Wild West man. Yeah, these are the Wild West days

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So it's you you you I think to understand where I'm coming from and why I don't believe the official stories

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You have to take yourself out of

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Today's time period. It was a different time

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You know

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How many times have I heard people like with the coke conspirators involved in the Lincoln assassination?

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Oh, I'm glad that Mary Sarah got hung. I'm glad that they these guys all got hung

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They'll say that and then you start talking about the corruption and how people, you know

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Illegal searches were happening and we think some people think police are corrupt today

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The hill was a lot worse back then and so you're gonna trust their their ways of finding these pieces of evidence

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That's the other thing with with the pieces of evidence against booth booth allegedly went for theater left some ID cards there

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When he crossed the bridge to get away less of my D card

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He's like he's leaving breadcrumbs everywhere. This is what I mean

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It's like he's the Muhammad Ata or or Lee Harvey Oswell. Just leaving little pieces. Oh, yeah, I was definitely here

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I don't know if you listen to any of my 9 11 stories, but I told you I live out here in Sarasota

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This is where Muhammad Ata the alleged ringleader of 9 11 lived and he one of the fascinating stories to it all is how

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Before they headed out to board these planes allegedly Muhammad Ata went to take his rental car

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You know, they had to have a rental car while they lived out here for months

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So when they took their rental car out and this is this was documented by Daniel hopsker

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Awesome researcher that passed away a couple years ago. He was boots on the ground

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He interviewed Muhammad Ata's girlfriend and Lord everyone connected the person that rented their car and the the rental agency said

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One of the things that has never made sense was how when Muhammad Ata came to return the car

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They left and then about 40 45 minutes later

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They returned and they wanted to redo the paperwork because they had put the wrong names on the paperwork

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They had to have these hijackers as the guys that rented the car. I

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Would you have to do that if you're going on a quote-unquote suicide mission?

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Why would you care about these little details unless you are leaving a narrative a paper trail?

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This is what we want to believe. This is what happened with the Lincoln assassination

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Yeah, John Wilkes Booth leaving calling cards calling cards were like little ID cards back then left

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allegedly Andrew Johnson vice president Andrew Johnson was to be assassinated as well by a

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George Atsura and

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John Wilkes Booth

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George our vice president Johnson was staying at the Kirkwood Hotel and John Wilkes Booth early in the day goes to check in is

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To see if vice president Johnson was in his room, you know to have him as assassinated at the same time and he left some calling cards there

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So he's leaving calling card. Here we go. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here

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I have a hard time believing that unless you're trying to set up a narrative, you know

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Here's your little storyline and we're just gonna sprinkle little pieces of evidence here in there

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Yeah, man. So if anybody really wants to go deep

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Have you you've done a series on this, right?

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So because because we just scratched the surface from some of the things that you've you've talked about

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So where could people go listen to your your like extended podcasts on Lincoln? So

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And I apologize, man

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The thing is it's hard to talk about the whole thing and just yeah two hours even four hours

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I have a hard time. I feel some of my better episodes

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I did a two-part series with Monica Perez and I put those on my

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On my podcast player if you go to my Odyssey channel as well

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I have a I do have a Lincoln assassination playlist where anytime I've talked about Lincoln or that era in particular have over

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10

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13 videos and each one's over two three hours long

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So tons of content for anyone. That's a history buff if you will I also voiced over

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The Lincoln assassination book by David McGowan. That's on there as well. It's about five hours long. I believe took me much longer

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Obviously, yeah

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And I did have a couple of mistakes, you know

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I had a couple of mispronunciations with the names and some words

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Which hopefully down the road. I'll have time to clean up

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So just keep that in mind

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But that book by David McGowan is what inspired me to go deeper and deeper a lot of things that David McGowan proposes

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He he doesn't outright say that Henry Rathbone was the shooter. He doesn't outright outright say it

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But the way he lays down his case

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That's the only logical conclusion

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That you can um, you can reach after after listening to to all the pieces of evidence

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Uh, so there's that I've also expanded on David McGowan's findings, you know briefly

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Well, I don't know if you were trying to wrap things up or if you wanted me to

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No, I just uh, I was gonna change subjects because I had other things I wanted to get to

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But because I

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I'm a terrible host. I kind of did this out of order

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I wanted to introduce you and then talk about linking a little bit

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But if we could go back and do that so like wheezy you got the what is truth podcast

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You've been podcasting for for several years now, right?

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Yeah, 2019 is when I first started cool

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What I wanted to ask you is like and I think you kind of alluded to this a little bit

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Is like reading David McGowan's book, but a lot of people who are who are interested in researching

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And education and reading they can usually point to a moment where they had like an awakening process

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Where like they can look back at their life and they say this was a time in my life where I just didn't care about

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Learning I didn't care about understanding the world deeper around me

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Was there a moment for you where or maybe a book

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Or a person that where you can kind of trace back to like you're like awakening process of like

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Here's where I

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Or have you kind of always been that way?

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So I'm gonna say something

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You know, I looked at some of your content and so you probably won't agree with what I'm gonna say

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And maybe some listeners won't and I don't say this to offend anyone

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But for me it was I grew up very religious very religious my parents were very devout

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My mom passed away a couple years ago was super devout

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My dad was super devout until his Alzheimer's kicked and now he doesn't talk about God at all

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But that's all he used to talk about over and over so I grew up very devout

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and

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in 2013 my

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My brother's wife passed away of cancer. I was already losing my faith

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and

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I was praying and praying and praying asking for a miracle man. I didn't want my brother

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You know to raise three kids on his own, you know, I was like, that's messed up man

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It's too young for this and nothing happened

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And so the reason I bring this up is because that was my first red pill

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Because initially I was angry with this higher power that I called God. I was I was I was angry. I was mad

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So how could you let this happen? Then after I want to say about a week

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I don't know when it was about a week later calmness came over me

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And I go, maybe I'm getting mad at something that really doesn't exist

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And so that's I'm only bringing this up because that that was my moment

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I'm like, man, I've been taught that this was the truth

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I've been taught that the bible was absolute truth

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I've been taught that all these things were true and true and true and true now

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Maybe that's not it. And so that turned my

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World upside down man. It was like, are you familiar with plato's allegory of the cave a little bit?

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Yeah, he doesn't know where the light's coming from and he tried to convince all his friends that he he's found

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Where the well they're in the cave. Yeah, they're in the cave

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This is what inspired the matrix as well. Yeah allegedly, but they're in a cave

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And it's these prisoners they're they're tied and bound and they are forced to look at the wall of the cave

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Which is pitch dark, but every now and then they light some fires from behind them

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And so there's these people in the in the back making rabbit shapes and all these weird shapes and so

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That's all they these prisoners have known all these shadows on the wall

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That's their reality of what world is

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You know their shadow rabbits their shadow trees

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Everything is that's their reality. They don't know any better and at one point one of them manages to escape and

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Leaves out to the cave and as soon as he merges out of the cave

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He's been in the dark all his entire life as soon as he pops his head out

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It's so bright his eyes actually hurt

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He can you know, he's got to close his eyes like his eyes are sensitive if you can imagine

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It's painful then after a few days his eyes start, you know to to acclimate

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Yeah, and he can now see outside now. He sees a real life rabbit. He's like, whoa

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The heck I thought this thing was a shadow. This is what a real rabbit looks like and so now his perception on reality has changed

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And so it's a powerful allegory that allegedly was told thousands of years ago, you know by Plato

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And so for me that moment right there was my first, um

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Red pill and even so that was the first step

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And I grew up as a lefty guy that watched rachel madow religiously everything that came on the msnbc

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I believed and bought that is the truth. I'm not proud of it. That's what that's how I viewed the world

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Anything republicans or conservatives said was dead wrong. These guys are idiots

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They still believe in mythology blah blah and that's how I dismissed them. That's how my brain worked

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That's how I had been programmed to think of the other side

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And when I moved to florida, which is essentially the south, you know, I was worried that there was going to be racism everywhere

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Nazis and and skinheads everywhere and that hasn't even been the case

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So that that changed that helped change my perception of reality

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Like no, yeah, these guys may wave confederate flags every now and then but you know

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Most of them aren't racist and even the ones that are are just most mostly ignorant

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You know, they don't really fully understand. They didn't grow up with they've only known that

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They've grown up in their own cave. You know, I mean they're with their own shadows

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So that's their own reality that helped change me and then

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I think it was

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An event called the pulse nightclub shooting that took place in orlando florida a couple hours from where I live

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and I was listening to npr on the news

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And I'm listening to it. I'm listening to it. None of the story was making sense

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I'm like, and this is me as a normie that

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Did not buy into

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conspiracies

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I'm like, this doesn't make sense. This and I'm going in. I'm going in deep. I'm comparing

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Witness state statements police statements. None of it is making sense. I drove up to orlando

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I'm looking at this club. I'm like, wait a minute. You're telling me how many people were here at five in the morning

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And that's that was my first red pill where I'm like, man, this is all a sham

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This is this was all lies and that's what made me then

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Go into these other events

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9 11

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Like man, if I was lied to about this, that's I got to revisit 9 11

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9 11 for me was sacred for the longest time

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I was a firefighter because of it

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When I saw, you know, the the videos of the fire department going up the tower, I'm like, man, that is

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Bravery to the max man. That is boss material. I want to do that. So I joined the fire service

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I went to the fire academy in 08

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And I joined the fire service in 09. I did that for many years out of

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Being inspired from the official 9 11 story. So for me to take a second look at it was wild to me because I believe I

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I bought

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A hook line and sinker every official story narrative regarding it. There was times where I had questions

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I'm like, yeah, that's kind of where they found a passport. Yeah, but I believe it. I still believed it

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You know what I mean

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But then as I took a second deeper look and I'm looking at

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This

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With a microscope that doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. None of this makes sense. It's all a sham

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and

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Same thing with the moon landings the moon landings. I believed I thought it when I was a kid

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I I thought it would be cool to go into space and jump around and collect some moon rocks

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How many boys young boys don't grow up thinking that we all think that at some point

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I'm assuming and

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I was already into questioning official narratives and I was kind of 50 50

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I was like, maybe we did maybe we did it. Maybe we did maybe we did it

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And then I took a trip out to cocoa beach down to the kennedy space center

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And I saw a replica of the lunar lander

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And that was one of those moments. Right. Yeah, man. If you put this replica lunar lander outside

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During a florida a typical florida storm season or hurricane that thing would not last

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But I am led to believe this thing made it through the rigors of space radiation and all these rigorous elements and came back

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Now i'm not and then I remember hearing one

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Podcasts were nailed to grass Tyson the premier astrophysicist of our time in one episode

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Straight up admit that we have nothing today that can take us back to the moon

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We did in the 60s, but not today and so that made me wow, you know

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Like I want to look into the moon landing even more now

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And I have tons of content that I've done on the moon landings, but that's what it is man. It's been a steady process

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It's not like it's been one thing. Yeah

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It's been one thing to the next to the next and i'm at the point in time now where

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Some folks view me as as an extremist that is radical and it doesn't offend me

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You know because there's been many times where I've said things or been against and later on people come around

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I'm like, oh man, you were right. You were right

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So I don't I don't worry about it. What I worry is

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I go about life now trying to believe in as many true things as possible

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And it's getting harder and harder to tell man. We get told lies on a daily basis

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I mean the coveted stuff woke up a lot of people

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But look at how many things we were lied to about that as someone that believed in science

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I'm not saying I don't believe in science, but science has also become very dogmatic

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You know it it comes off as something that is anti religious anti dogma

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And yet it does the same things that religious

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Organizations do you have to believe in these tenets or we will ex-communicate you we will call you an anti vax

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We will call you a denier of this if you don't stick to our dogma to the way

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We interpret what we deem as science which has in many of these cases

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Who is funding these scientific projects and that'll tell you what agendas they're trying to push so yeah

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Um, I'm in this weird place man where I don't know and I guess that's why I chose the name

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What is truth and I love it man because I'm all these years doing it. I'm still trying to figure out what truth is

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No, I love that. Yeah, let's talk about Christianity a little bit because I I am curious

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You know when the name of your podcast what is truth?

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The first thing that came to my mind was that it's actually in the bible that exact phrase is in the bible

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So for anybody who's not familiar when jesus is before paunch's pilot

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He's about to be crucified and he says that he came to bear witness about the truth

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That's why jesus did because he's like are you a king or you know these jews?

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They want to kill you they tell me like who are you and he says well you say i'm a king

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But I came to bear witness about the truth and paunch's pilot famously says what is truth?

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And so did that story

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In the book of john have anything to do with why you named your podcast what you did

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Absolutely that that right there even though I no longer believe and I haven't believed in many many years now

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That story that that image, you know, I'm a very visual person. I picture that image

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I'm like man if this really did happen because I do have questions if it didn't but it's a cool story

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It's it's I mean here. We are sitting there and paunch's pilot asked him. What is truth and

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I've

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Way before I even started my podcast. I always thought about that. That's a killer question, man

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That's a it sounds simple. What is true? Oh, yeah

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I know what truth is and one of the things I've done with a lot of the guests over the years

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I'll ask them for you. What is truth and no two people give me the same answers

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Everyone has their own answer to it

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So for me, that's it's the simplicity and power behind that little statement. What is truth?

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You know what I mean like simple a couple words and yet super profound

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And so yeah, that definitely was the reason for it that that's what inspired the the show so

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I um

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I'm not gonna like sit here and try to like convince you to be a christian again or or what

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But how do you reconcile who jesus is?

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So, you know, you can go back in history and you can look at

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Historical events and and you know, you can look at like things like lincoln and look at things like how

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There's just things that don't line up

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But the most famous person to ever walk the earth, right every culture every country around the world

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Jesus christ has affected that culture in some way shape or form our entire calendar is based on when this man was born

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And somebody said something a long time ago. It was like extraordinary events

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Require extraordinary explanations

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And I think the the effect and mark that jesus has left on the earth is an extraordinary event

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The fact that this this man in the middle east with

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12

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Followers who who were not like cream of the crop educated people right has had a bigger impact on human history than anybody

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So he he affected the world

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If he were the son of god like whether he was or wasn't right

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He actually has an impact on the world that is so great

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His legacy has lasted for thousands of years our entire calendar is based on when he was born and um

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So he his impact is as if he were the son of god

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And he also claimed to be the son of god like statistically

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Doesn't it make most sense that if somebody impacted the world as if he was the son of god

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And also claimed to be the son of god that maybe he was the son of god

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So

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As I stated I was back real very religious and I read the bible a couple of times

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And I'm actually going to try to write read the entire bible all of it and this year

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I've already went back and listened to the genesis exodus

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Yeah

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Listen to the gospel of mark and matthew revelations book of revelations a book of joshua a book of samuel

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So I I'm I'm slowly making my way and maybe I may be able to listen to the entire thing

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But this time around I'm listening to it as a non-believer and it's very different

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I'm someone that so you ask if I've always been inquisitive that it has been my nature

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I remember as a kid asking certain religious questions as a young little kid

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That was taken to church and Sunday school and whatnot and I would ask some of these questions of my you know

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My mom or dad and those times they got upset. They would say satan is talking to you

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You can't be asking those kind of questions and I'm a little kid

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You know like one of those things was I remember I'm trying to think some of the more now that I'm older

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I think I'm like man, I was I was asking some pretty deep questions as a little kid

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I can see why my parents would get mad

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But I would I would ask like, you know

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We were talking about the talking snake in the garden meeting and as a little kid

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I've always loved animals. I'm like, how come God doesn't make any more talking animals, you know, like that

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Snake was talking in Genesis and come and convert it and then the other question I asked like why did God make

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A tree that would tempt Adam and Eve to begin with like he should have just let him chill

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You know, like don't even tempt them and then I realized people now will say free will and stuff

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I'm very I'm very hard-line these days with with certain explanations because I've looked I've listened to

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All the apologetics on a lot of these hard to swallow religious passages

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There's many parts. There's a reason why there's a children's bible

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There's some parts in the bible that kids of a certain age should not be reading

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You know, there's a story of onan god killing onan because he spilled his seed on the ground for example

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And there's another story in in genesis of a

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Of a rapist that is the good guy in that story. And so there's many many many many of these hard to swallow

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Passages in the bible and that's what started me questioning and everything else. I'm like, man, I can't just blindly accept this anymore

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You know what I mean? And so going back to to jesus, uh

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figure that is

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typically given as the

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contemporary

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Source to you know to talk about the history

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Ossity of jesus is josephus josephus is a very

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Polemic figure some people view him as a traitor to to the jews. I don't know if you know much of josephus

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He was a jewish historian for the moment as I know. Yeah, and he's yeah, his story is his story is fascinating, man

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super fascinating

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because

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He he was he was a very intelligent

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Jewish guy back in that time period. So the jews

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There was different sex, you know during jesus time

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There was the Pharisees the sadjuces different sex some were more violent warlike sex of jews

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Then there was other jews that were more

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Strictly they they adhered to the the Torah and then there was some that were just more passive passive, you know

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Like all right if the government wants to do that we'll just roll with it

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So there was different strains of it josephus was a was raised pretty you know pretty in well-to-do means in

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Rome and he was super intelligent

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He knew because he had worked with the romans alongside the romans for so many years

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He knew that the none of the jewish sex had any chance against the roman empire like

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Trying to rate trying to start stuff with the roman empire is just suicide suicidal

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You got to work with the romans

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This is how josephus and that's and that's why some people view him as a traitor because he

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Betrayed his own people and whatnot. Some people would argue he was just using the smarts

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It's stupid. Why are you fighting against the machine?

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Rome is already here in judaea. We're not going to do anything about it. And and so a lot of people

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He writes a couple of lines regarding jesus, but he wasn't a

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Contemporary of jesus. He wrote these decades after the alleged jesus story

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We talked about the link and stuff look how many holes this event happened 160 years ago and none of the story makes sense

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It falls apart here falls apart here falls apart here

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But yet when it comes to the gospels people will accept there are people

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I don't know if you are of this this brand of christianity

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But there are some christian folks that will take line by line. This is exactly what happened

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This is exactly how it was said and the translation that I have received from some of these languages that are now extinct

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Are as close to the original

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Translation as possible and they accept it. They they wholeheartedly accept. I'm like, you don't have any questions

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You don't think maybe this is a little bit wrong

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I speak spanish

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There are times where I can hear a joke in spanish and I try to tell it in english

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And it doesn't have the same punch it

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It's missing so much texture so much nuance to it and vice versa

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If there was a joke in english and i'm trying to explain it in spanish

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It's not going to hit the same and so my point is with the bible that we have today in today's climate

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How much of it is actually as close to the original writings?

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So there's that issue. The other issue is there were so many other texts and scrolls

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For example the gospel of james a magnificent. I listened to the gospel of james the other day

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Beautiful text, but it talks more of a mystic jesus and this is probably why it didn't make the cut

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So who how did these people

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During the council of nicaea. There was also a council of carthage and whatnot

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Who made them the arbiters to decide what text could make it into the bible into the final cut

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And which ones could it because there were so many that didn't make it

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Why did you exclude those and so the more I look into that even though I don't believe i'm

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Profoundly interested in it. It's amazing to me because it helps me understand today's climate the way people talk about end times today

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Now that I've read revelation it makes more sense. I'm like, all right

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I could see why this guy's saying this because I've listened to it

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But it's so interesting to me that I I've

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I've just been trying to get deeper and deeper to the origins of it all

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Who were the first people taught telling these stories? Um, and and when you look at genesis

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I you know listening to genesis again over with a fresh new lens and god is talking about how in several passages how

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I

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Was known as Elohim el shadat

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You know, those are gods from the old canaanite religion

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The name el is the head god of the canaanite religion

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The canaanites had it preceded the the

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Israelites by centuries if not more then you go back to the epic of gilgamesh

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These stories were written on clay tablets as far back as 2700 years

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So almost a thousand years older than the bible itself

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And you I don't know if you are familiar with the epic of gilgamesh

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But the the flood story in there even the way one of the gods makes humanity

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She takes clay and forms humans. So I start going back and back and because that's in my nature

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I I want to know the origins

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Where did you know this didn't just start here and then everything took off from there there everything has origins

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Where are the origins to all of this and so it's in this quest that I've been going down that I'm like man

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And so the further I dig the the more I enjoy the stories, but I just don't believe them at all

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I just I believe my mindset and you could disagree with this

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But my mindset is now looking at it is that religious thought as well as government thought

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They're they're tools to control people control populations. There's a great book by larkin rose called

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What is it government authority or I think it's called the the biggest superstition and it's talking about the belief in government authority

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People we get raised to believe that we have to trust in government authority. The government tells us this is the way it is

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We have to accept it. That's gospel. That's fact. We can't deviate it. But in reality, it's nonsense

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It's not real make it. We bend to it. But when it's not real, you know, this country allegedly was founded on

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taxationist theft was one of the cries that we are told right taxationist theft and yet I'm working

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60 80 hours a week. I look at my checks and I see how much

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I'm getting taxed every dang week

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I thought this country was I thought taxation was theft and this country has been doing this to each and one of us for centuries

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So this whole myth again

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It's a myth that this country was founded on these particular principles. It's all nonsense, man

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We're told to respect the constitution and all this and it's constantly getting trampled upon

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It was trampled upon during Lincoln's time in the 1860s. It's being trampled upon today

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It's all mythology. So this is the way my mind view or my worldview is that whether it's religious organizations or governments

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They're just pushing these myths to have us living in fear

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You know the way I ask the question. Yeah, man. I'm sorry. I got your good horse

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No, I appreciate that. That's a good backdrop to have but you said you'd like to you know, understand origins

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Do you believe you have a soul

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I don't know anymore, man

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I used to think that and what has made me answer you as I don't know anymore

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My dad's Alzheimer's because if you've had any any loved ones that has Alzheimer's, it sucks, man

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Yeah, I had I had heard people getting Alzheimer's, but I didn't know these people that good

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But now it's my dad and he raised me. I know, you know, you know, you have a relationship with your dad

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We know our dad and when I talk to my dad and I'm looking at him

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I'm sitting across from him looking at him in the eyes. I'm trying to look

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I'm trying to see if there's a soul in him and I don't feel it

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So I don't know. I don't know if we have souls or not

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Maybe what we I've been thinking about it a lot

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So that's a good question because I've been pondering and pondering pondering and musing about it

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What if soul is simply our consciousness? Well, that's and what is consciousness?

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Are they intertwined or are they two separate different things?

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I'm really sorry to hear about your dad

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And I

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You know, I don't know anybody with Alzheimer's right now

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But I've have relatives who have relatives and my grandfather

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He had Alzheimer's and I think that's ultimately what took him, you know

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And it's you know, our bodies are frail our bodies are fragile

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And I've done some reading about like the causes of Alzheimer's and just what can lead to the

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generation of

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a

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Of the brain

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Um, that's where it starts and so there's there's a bunch of hypotheses

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But that's not really the point

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But I was reading a story about a man who had hydrocephalus and he didn't know it and

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His brain was like the size of a grape and

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This guy was like 40 years old married with kids

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But like it dude, he just didn't really have a brain like how I don't know

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How you can they really explain that without like

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Like where does consciousness come from and so like there's so much mystery to the human experience like why are we here?

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Like that's ultimately what religion I think wants to to answer that question is like

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Why are we here?

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Who created the universe or what created the universe?

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And then perhaps most importantly is like what happens to us when we die

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You know, we have this feeling that there is like our bodies and our physical nature

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But there's also like this experience where we feel spiritual realities

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Very deep like and so there's a part of me at least this is my experience that like I feel like there's a part of me that will

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That that is separate from my body

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you know

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and that I have a soul and that some something is

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Is going to carry on beyond beyond death

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Because as I look around the world man, like there's just no way this all happened as an accident

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You look at like the vastness of space and the planets and just like how you can look at like a piece of grass

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Under a microscope or look at a cell and it's irreducibly complex

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Like there has to be an explanation for why all of this exists

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Or maybe not and that's where we sometimes get hung up on

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Why don't say that we have to have a perfect understanding of the explanation?

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But we at least have to admit that it started somewhere it started it had to have yeah

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And so when people say god created everything my quick

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Because i'm in this weird thing with everything man

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I don't believe so people because I don't believe the creation story people

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Oh, you believe in the big bang because something came out of nothing. No, I don't believe that either

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I don't believe any of this. Maybe it's something that we will probably never know man. Um,

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It's incomprehensible and so I've been reading and learning more about these ancient philosophers and

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I listened to your episode on Seneca. By the way, that was really good. Yeah

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Listening to Seneca. What do you think about his writings? His writings are on point. Yeah, I'm on like how many halfway through and yeah

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Yeah, there's just I feel like it's food for my soul

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Yeah, I love it man

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And they were gonna add some of his writings to the bible

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Those remember I was telling you about what books made the cut his writings were in consideration

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Which that's not something I've looked at

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Yeah, I'll just I haven't looked at that but I'll look into it. I trust you but you know, I know that

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You know the canon of scripture like what was left in and what was left out

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um

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like

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It's tough like there's there's some things where I'm like and like what if we found a book of the bible today?

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Right like and hypothetical here

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We could be 100 percent certain that it was written by the apostle paul or 100 percent certain

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It was written by john or even jesus, right? Like let's just say hypothetically we could

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Verify that you know, there's people who say that like it would be of no importance in that it would not be it would

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It wouldn't we should not add it to the bible and

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I'll be honest like that kind of bothers me a little bit because

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That if we uncovered a text out in the middle of the desert, I'd be like well, what the heck does it say, right?

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Like what what does it say back to that rigid thinking? Yeah, this is what I mean with a lot of people

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Yeah rigidity

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And I think I think why some people would be hesitant is because the bible we talk about like biblical sufficiency

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Like the bible is perfectly sufficient, but that doesn't mean it's exhaustive

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So you have the creation story that's not an exhaustive story, right? Obviously because

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We don't know what happened in all the details, right? But like it's it's a summary

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So summaries are not usually exhaustive

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And so I can actually reconcile with that like I don't know all the details

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I don't know how

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God took dust of the earth and made a human being

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But i'm assuming if there if god is he created a universe he can create a man

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Or so having a scientific explanation of how these these compounds in the in the ground

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Turned into human flesh like I don't think you have to scientifically prove that that's possible because or exhaustively explain it

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I think you can take a summary which which that's what the creation story pretty much is it's

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It's a summary and we should not look for exhaustive explanations where the written text never intended to do that

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You know like we talk about like chronologically what's the word the chronology of the bible

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You know in in genesis you have some of those really long segments where it's like this person begat this person and this person

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Begat this person and this was the father of so-and-so like I think it's entirely possible that that's not an exhaustive list either

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Right, you know, some people will cite the age of the the earth as being like 6 000 years old or something like that

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Well, if you are going based off of those numbers and people's ages and when this person was born that person was born

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Sure, you can get that but that that section was also not written for the express purpose of keeping a genealogical record

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It was written for a particular people at a particular time that had background knowledge

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And so they didn't need exhaustive lists

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And so I think it's entirely possible that you know, there's some generations in there that are skipped

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And so it's it's a much longer lineage than than what's actually recorded

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You know, you have other other things that are listed, but they're not exhaustive. And so just want to make that point. Yeah

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And and I I understand that

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I've been uh, I I also read a Homer's Odyssey

01:00:15.450 --> 01:00:20.430
Fascinating tells and and I say this with all due respect because I know some people will get offended

01:00:20.430 --> 01:00:24.390
But I read a lot of these stories like I'm reading the bible like mythologies, you know

01:00:24.390 --> 01:00:29.530
Maybe there are some grains of truth just like some of the greek stories probably had some grains of truth

01:00:29.530 --> 01:00:31.570
And then they further expanded upon

01:00:32.150 --> 01:00:37.190
So I think I learned a lot from those stories. I I was fascinated. I'm learning, you know, reading

01:00:37.190 --> 01:00:43.070
I listened to revelation twice in the last couple of weeks and the version i'm listening to on youtube

01:00:43.070 --> 01:00:47.730
It's kind of dramatized so they have voice actors for god and and the apostle

01:00:48.390 --> 01:00:52.110
And and music and you know in dramatic events, you know

01:00:52.110 --> 01:00:55.430
Just it sounds cinematic, but it makes it more immersive, you know

01:00:55.430 --> 01:01:00.310
You you can actually instead of just reading some plain text and just reading through it makes it funer

01:01:00.310 --> 01:01:03.370
For me at least it makes it more visual and I love it

01:01:03.370 --> 01:01:09.150
But in the end I view them as stories for a set of different, you know, a variety of different reasons

01:01:09.150 --> 01:01:13.970
A set of stories to explain some try to answer some of the questions you had

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Why are we here? How did it this whole thing came up come about?

01:01:18.230 --> 01:01:21.410
And then ultimately they are used as control

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Tools, you know 10 percent of your tithing gave on to god was what is to god and give on to Caesar

01:01:28.030 --> 01:01:30.290
What is to Caesar things along those lines?

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And so ultimately I I reject them for those aspects, you know, I I don't claim to know how

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This planet came about, you know, if we go with the religious belief that god was just hanging out for

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Trillions of years in the darkness of space

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And then just one day. He's like, you know what today?

01:01:49.010 --> 01:01:54.010
I'm gonna make the universe like that doesn't make sense. So, you know, but you also have to like just

01:01:54.010 --> 01:01:59.290
I mean, I get it if you describe it like that it's kind of humorous. You're like why right and

01:02:00.550 --> 01:02:05.190
I guess how I think about that is like you use the word years, right?

01:02:05.290 --> 01:02:08.790
You said god was just hanging out for trillions of years like you have to you have to

01:02:08.790 --> 01:02:14.270
But you have to just get rid of that time of measurement entirely because like even the concept of time

01:02:14.270 --> 01:02:17.230
As we're describing it, we can't apply it to god

01:02:17.230 --> 01:02:21.370
Like if something is completely outside of time, like an

01:02:21.970 --> 01:02:26.870
incomprehensible god, we we can't assign or make we can't assign

01:02:27.330 --> 01:02:30.770
Figures of time measurements of time towards god in that way

01:02:30.770 --> 01:02:35.730
Like it's beyond our understanding to understand like, you know before the creation of the earth

01:02:35.730 --> 01:02:40.550
We know that god we know that god is perfect and we know that he was perfectly fulfilled

01:02:40.550 --> 01:02:44.150
How do we know that though see now we're getting into the god of the god

01:02:44.270 --> 01:02:51.070
Gaps fallacy because when science can't explain it or whenever no one else there for god, how do we

01:02:51.070 --> 01:02:53.490
See to me that seems like another jump

01:02:54.030 --> 01:03:00.310
Science does this and then religious folks do it like there for god. There for science. Therefore. No, no, no, no, no

01:03:00.310 --> 01:03:07.950
Let's not jump there. How did we get there? So we we this god creature or thing guy woman

01:03:08.470 --> 01:03:12.530
Who knows because every culture has different beliefs in it, you know, it's not it

01:03:12.530 --> 01:03:16.510
I guess i'm of the the way I look at it is god is not a universal truth

01:03:16.510 --> 01:03:18.870
There are universal truths out there math

01:03:19.430 --> 01:03:22.750
Are you can go to china? You can go to latin america?

01:03:22.910 --> 01:03:26.670
You can go to russia two plus two is going to be four no matter where you go

01:03:26.670 --> 01:03:27.970
But you talk about god

01:03:27.970 --> 01:03:35.030
Well, god could be yaoi or jojoba depending on what region of the world you're in or he could be the buddha

01:03:35.030 --> 01:03:38.290
He could be mohammed, you know, it just depends on where you're at

01:03:38.290 --> 01:03:42.290
It's not a universal truth and so that's where I see things these days

01:03:42.290 --> 01:03:46.630
And so this concept that god is all encompassing over this

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Okay, how how did you get to that point? How can you verify that?

01:03:51.850 --> 01:03:57.370
So I mean I can't verify it with all the typical tools of of science that like one would rely on today

01:03:57.370 --> 01:04:02.010
So like i'll admit there is an aspect of faith in all of this is like I believe the bible

01:04:02.510 --> 01:04:04.270
I believe the bible is true, right?

01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:10.090
So for what I was saying earlier before is like the bible is not completely exhaustive

01:04:10.090 --> 01:04:13.590
But it is sufficient for what we need to know for salvation

01:04:14.160 --> 01:04:18.210
Okay, so it's not exhaustive in explaining the creation of the universe

01:04:18.210 --> 01:04:24.290
But it is sufficient in telling me what I need to know about god in order for salvation

01:04:24.290 --> 01:04:28.570
So setting setting aside like the exhaustive versus the sufficient part

01:04:28.570 --> 01:04:34.250
So like the bible is sufficient for what it was intended to do now going sort of beyond that like

01:04:34.270 --> 01:04:40.430
I think you can make philosophical like reasoning you can use philosophical reasoning to like understand

01:04:40.430 --> 01:04:44.970
Okay, we know there was a beginning right you can you know a lot of

01:04:45.750 --> 01:04:51.430
Astrophysicists will talk about how the universe looks like it's expanding and that it began at a singular point

01:04:51.430 --> 01:04:54.490
Okay, so you can make philosophical

01:04:55.210 --> 01:05:00.830
Insights that there was a time where this wasn't here and so just kind of going off of that

01:05:00.830 --> 01:05:06.870
We can kind of go back and forth philosophically about what may or may not have existed

01:05:06.870 --> 01:05:12.050
And there will be some speculation at that point. Yeah, I don't think we we could ever get

01:05:12.050 --> 01:05:16.930
There's times where we will never be able to get absolute truth. You know, that's one of those things

01:05:16.930 --> 01:05:19.710
We won't be able to it's kind of I guess

01:05:19.710 --> 01:05:22.390
Kind of bringing it back even to the moon landings

01:05:22.390 --> 01:05:28.210
I don't believe we have the tools to get back and we're told that in the 60s they and they built these

01:05:28.750 --> 01:05:32.750
Amazing. Yeah analog pieces of equipment to get us into state

01:05:32.750 --> 01:05:35.730
But we we don't have even though we've made leaps and bounds

01:05:36.230 --> 01:05:39.090
Of technological improvements since the decades

01:05:39.090 --> 01:05:40.630
We don't have anything to take us back

01:05:40.630 --> 01:05:47.750
And so the only way to be absolutely truth whether we made it to the moon or not would be to each of us

01:05:47.750 --> 01:05:51.230
Going up there and being able to verify. Oh, yeah, maybe maybe

01:05:51.730 --> 01:05:53.890
We absolutely did we absolutely. Yeah

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So because that's not realistic

01:05:57.410 --> 01:06:01.210
That's not possible. We then have to look at other pieces to it

01:06:01.210 --> 01:06:06.110
What what makes more reasonable sense and what doesn't and for me

01:06:06.110 --> 01:06:11.690
I know you said that for you scripture fulfills you and it's meant for me

01:06:11.690 --> 01:06:17.950
It does nothing of that. In fact, it just makes me more curious as to why people still believe onto these things

01:06:17.950 --> 01:06:19.890
Especially as I read all the Old Testament

01:06:20.510 --> 01:06:27.130
It's full of animal sacrifices. You need to make sacrifices to our lord and just massive sacrifices

01:06:27.130 --> 01:06:30.750
You got to cut the animal this way put the entrails there like in detail

01:06:30.750 --> 01:06:36.830
The Mesoamericans practiced a lot of human sacrifice and a lot of people that's why Jesus came

01:06:36.830 --> 01:06:39.890
Hold up before you look down upon them

01:06:41.470 --> 01:06:46.410
The whole pinnacle of the christian story is the human sacrifice of Jesus

01:06:46.410 --> 01:06:50.930
Jesus is goes through this crazy crucifixion thoughts of pain

01:06:50.930 --> 01:06:54.050
And this is one of these questions. They brought me back to when I was a kid

01:06:54.050 --> 01:07:00.030
He goes through all this pain and I remember as a kid. I'm like, okay. Well, he's god. He knows he's not gonna die

01:07:00.030 --> 01:07:04.390
So why why why why do we have to feel bad that he's getting crucified?

01:07:04.690 --> 01:07:07.970
He probably doesn't even feel the pain. This is me as a little kid thinking this

01:07:07.970 --> 01:07:13.190
I'm like, he's gonna he's gonna revive himself in a couple days. This is what pissed off my parents

01:07:13.190 --> 01:07:19.310
Like no, we have to accept the resurrection story and they would get mad and I'm just a

01:07:19.310 --> 01:07:23.430
An inquisitive little kid man. I was like 18 years old. No, but he's god

01:07:23.430 --> 01:07:27.090
Right, you're telling me he's god. He knows everything. He knows he's gonna die

01:07:27.090 --> 01:07:31.510
He even says one of you guys is gonna betray me, you know, peter you're gonna deny me

01:07:31.510 --> 01:07:35.490
Three times before the crow, you know or before the rooster sings

01:07:36.150 --> 01:07:40.750
He knows these things and he knows he's gonna resurrect themselves. So why is it a big deal?

01:07:40.750 --> 01:07:46.610
Is it really a sacrifice and these were fundamental questions that I had as a little kid and now that I'm older

01:07:46.610 --> 01:07:52.150
I'm like, man, those were damn good questions as a little kid and now I I've kind of explored them more and none of the

01:07:52.150 --> 01:07:58.410
Story makes any sense for me at least. Yeah, and so yeah, I don't want people to take anything like these things

01:07:58.410 --> 01:08:04.350
Back there could be things that we you and I or anyone listening we can agree on many many other things

01:08:04.350 --> 01:08:05.950
This could be just one of those big things

01:08:05.950 --> 01:08:09.890
One of the things I've been pondering lately. Yeah, I mentioned David McGowan

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And I have huge respect for him

01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:17.470
He agree. He believes that

01:08:18.130 --> 01:08:22.230
Um, the the flight 93, you know with Muhammad Atta

01:08:22.230 --> 01:08:27.050
There was something going on. Maybe they'd get hijacked. I don't believe in that at all

01:08:27.050 --> 01:08:30.590
I believe it was like the sword mansion attack a completely manufactured event

01:08:30.590 --> 01:08:35.230
That's a huge disagreement that I have with McGowan. Does that mean I'm gonna scrap everything else

01:08:35.230 --> 01:08:38.910
He has said because of that huge disagreement we have

01:08:38.910 --> 01:08:44.930
And James Corbett James Corbett in my in my worldview. He is the king of conspiracy theorist

01:08:44.930 --> 01:08:48.410
He out of all the big names out there. He is the least known

01:08:48.410 --> 01:08:53.510
Because I think he's more legit, you know, you we've all heard of alex jones or david hike

01:08:53.510 --> 01:08:55.030
But I think those guys are all corrupt

01:08:55.030 --> 01:08:59.850
James Corbett is a real deal and that's why he's underground still he's still highly shadow band

01:08:59.850 --> 01:09:03.510
I've done several shows with James Corbett. I'm gonna have him on in the future

01:09:03.510 --> 01:09:05.750
But he thinks we made it to the moon

01:09:05.750 --> 01:09:08.530
That's a massive disagreement that I have with James Corbett

01:09:08.530 --> 01:09:12.770
Does that mean that now I'm gonna throw away every every all his other beliefs?

01:09:12.890 --> 01:09:14.730
This is one of the things that I've gotten older is

01:09:14.730 --> 01:09:18.410
You're not gonna agree with people 100 on everything man

01:09:18.410 --> 01:09:23.990
You're gonna have some big time disagreements. Does that now mean you have to discard everything else?

01:09:24.330 --> 01:09:27.530
You may naturally because we're humans you may naturally well

01:09:27.530 --> 01:09:33.110
He was wrong about that. So how much how much seriously can we take him on this other thing?

01:09:33.110 --> 01:09:37.510
You know and by all means we should always be doing our homework always be fact-checking always

01:09:38.250 --> 01:09:44.230
Verifying all these claims and things that we hear you shouldn't hold anyone in a high pedestal. You shouldn't

01:09:47.530 --> 01:09:48.970
Do your own research man

01:09:49.670 --> 01:09:52.890
I think we're living in an age where people like taking shortcuts for everything

01:09:52.890 --> 01:09:55.690
they want to know these high intricate things

01:09:56.250 --> 01:10:02.370
In a 60 second tiktok reel and find out the truths of the universe on those 60 seconds

01:10:02.370 --> 01:10:06.270
You know what I mean? Like how do I become enlightened in in five minutes or less?

01:10:06.470 --> 01:10:12.290
People are looking for or quick little things when in reality these could very well be lifelong

01:10:12.890 --> 01:10:18.570
Journeys that we take. You know this latest philosophical thing that I've learned is kaizen

01:10:20.430 --> 01:10:20.910
kaizen

01:10:21.510 --> 01:10:23.630
Is that Japanese for?

01:10:24.070 --> 01:10:25.950
It's what's a little improvement. Yeah

01:10:25.950 --> 01:10:27.350
1% improvements

01:10:27.350 --> 01:10:33.930
So it's super simple but powerful philosophy because it kind of relates to what I'm just saying people

01:10:33.930 --> 01:10:38.770
You know what happens at the end of the new year, you know or at the end of the year people for new years

01:10:38.770 --> 01:10:43.210
Oh, I'm gonna lose 30 pounds in two months. I'm gonna be doing I'm gonna be running

01:10:43.210 --> 01:10:47.470
I'm gonna be doing you're you're going balls to the wall for lack of a better term

01:10:47.470 --> 01:10:50.030
Trying to lose all that weight and then after a week

01:10:50.030 --> 01:10:52.830
I see here at the gym where I where where I go

01:10:52.830 --> 01:10:58.650
I've been I go to the gym as much as I can during the week and at the very beginning of the year jam packed

01:10:58.650 --> 01:11:02.890
It's it even sucks because you can't even use any of the machines now. It's back to

01:11:02.890 --> 01:11:08.950
What it normally is just quiet all to myself three three. Yeah, but it's because people get burnt out

01:11:08.950 --> 01:11:13.850
They they want immediate results right away if they see a 60 second tiktok video

01:11:13.850 --> 01:11:18.350
They want the answers to the universe right there in that 60 second clip. That's not what it

01:11:19.330 --> 01:11:27.250
You need patience you need to exercise patience and keep exploring things even when you think you are absolutely sure about something

01:11:27.250 --> 01:11:32.750
Like we started with Lincoln. I've read so many damn books on the subject. Does that mean now I stop?

01:11:33.050 --> 01:11:36.110
No, I keep reading more if I hear more Lincoln stuff. I want to consume it

01:11:36.110 --> 01:11:41.530
I want to get as much information. Some people will say well now you're like somewhat of an expert and whatnot

01:11:41.530 --> 01:11:48.170
I guess but I still feel there I can learn so much more even though I do know quite a bit about the subject

01:11:48.170 --> 01:11:51.830
I don't feel like I I'm the end all be all by any stretch of the imagination

01:11:51.830 --> 01:11:54.530
I'm still learning and if I can enhance my

01:11:54.990 --> 01:11:59.690
My theories or or or maybe I need to throw maybe I started reaching a certain conclusion

01:11:59.690 --> 01:12:02.710
Now I need to scrap it based on this new information that has come in

01:12:02.710 --> 01:12:07.390
I need to have my mind be able to have that flexibility. You know what I mean? Yeah

01:12:07.390 --> 01:12:09.190
It kind of reminds me of this

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Kind of reminds me of this quote by I think it was Newton really Isaac Newton. He says, you know, a lot of people would

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compliment him on his

01:12:18.030 --> 01:12:22.830
His intelligence and things like that and he always said that he never felt like he was but a child

01:12:22.830 --> 01:12:26.590
Who picked up a few stones on the shore of the sea of knowledge?

01:12:27.010 --> 01:12:30.330
and I think that's kind of like you picture this

01:12:30.870 --> 01:12:37.290
This beach right with all these rocks like just it's just vast and we're so lucky if we can even just pick up one stone

01:12:37.390 --> 01:12:44.670
And understand that one thing but like there's there's so much that and I think that's kind of a humbling thing as

01:12:44.670 --> 01:12:46.630
It is as a man as man

01:12:46.630 --> 01:12:53.330
Like, you know, I believe we should be grateful for those like the Isaac Newton's and like those those are like the

01:12:53.330 --> 01:12:57.790
Examples of the people who like we should all strive to sort of be like and you know

01:12:57.790 --> 01:13:01.690
Like for you it's David McGowan like I have people like who it is for me

01:13:01.690 --> 01:13:03.410
But like pursuing knowledge

01:13:03.410 --> 01:13:07.790
It's it's also a really humbling thing because we realize just how much we don't know

01:13:07.790 --> 01:13:09.390
It's like it's like that bell curve, right?

01:13:09.470 --> 01:13:10.670
Like both sides

01:13:10.670 --> 01:13:15.090
Understand that they're retarded kind of like just for a word like

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Like it's it's only when you like learn so much that you realize you don't know anything

01:13:19.350 --> 01:13:24.430
And the people who are just straight up idiots who don't read anything and they don't ever try to learn

01:13:24.430 --> 01:13:27.390
Like they also would probably be like, hey, I don't really know anything

01:13:27.390 --> 01:13:33.250
But it's like everybody in the center who thinks they know things and they think they're smarter than they actually are

01:13:33.410 --> 01:13:37.110
But it's like once you've actually achieved like some true knowledge

01:13:37.110 --> 01:13:41.850
Like it's it's actually a very humbling thing because it's like you come over this rim of insight

01:13:41.850 --> 01:13:48.670
Just to see a whole new landscape that you actually have no idea about so it actually makes you feel smaller

01:13:48.670 --> 01:13:51.290
You're like, man, there's so much more and

01:13:52.330 --> 01:13:55.990
I sort of it's humbling and like I I don't know

01:13:55.990 --> 01:14:00.030
I certainly don't think that I've arrived by any stretch of the imagination

01:14:00.030 --> 01:14:06.710
But like and that's part of the reason maybe like I need the bible. I need that structure. I need that

01:14:06.710 --> 01:14:11.170
Um, I look at my life and I'm like, man, I have these questions

01:14:11.170 --> 01:14:16.590
How do I reconcile with the fact that like like lying right like talk about like moral absolutes like

01:14:16.590 --> 01:14:22.270
Why do why do I feel bad when I lie or when I steal or when I when I do something

01:14:22.270 --> 01:14:26.970
It doesn't sit right like and then you look at like every other culture that's ever existed like

01:14:27.610 --> 01:14:29.970
There's a pattern here lying is kind of

01:14:30.710 --> 01:14:31.230
stealing

01:14:32.950 --> 01:14:35.930
I'm sorry to interrupt you but I listen to the

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The story of captain cook when he was in the Polynesian islands. He was pretty captain cook was pretty

01:14:42.990 --> 01:14:48.850
Even tempered with with a lot of the natives. It was probably less racist than you know a lot of his uh,

01:14:49.230 --> 01:14:49.770
his uh

01:14:50.310 --> 01:14:53.270
You know the his crew that when they were exploring the world

01:14:53.270 --> 01:14:58.010
He was a little bit more open-minded, but when he went to the Polynesian islands, one of the things that drove him crazy

01:14:58.010 --> 01:14:59.950
was how the Polynesians

01:15:00.470 --> 01:15:00.770
would

01:15:01.950 --> 01:15:08.330
It almost for their culture Sling wasn't viewed in the western sense as bad or

01:15:08.330 --> 01:15:13.890
For all intents and purposes buy out most cultures around the world as as this supreme bad

01:15:13.890 --> 01:15:18.790
It was almost viewed as stealing based on the accounts that I I've been reading

01:15:18.790 --> 01:15:22.550
In in that Polynesian culture at that point in time

01:15:22.550 --> 01:15:26.030
It was mostly viewed as like damn you were able to pick pocket him

01:15:26.030 --> 01:15:31.990
That's cool high five like it was viewed as as like a skill set instead of like this evil thing

01:15:31.990 --> 01:15:35.870
Man, if you steal you feel horrible about it, you know

01:15:35.870 --> 01:15:40.190
For in their culture it was most like wow, that's freaking awesome and captain

01:15:40.190 --> 01:15:44.690
It drove captain cook crazy it pissed them off like these guys just steal steal steal steal

01:15:44.690 --> 01:15:50.010
But in their culture, they didn't recognize stealing in the in the same sense that other people

01:15:50.010 --> 01:15:55.870
So even a lot of these things that we I only want to try that. Do we are they really absolute truths?

01:15:56.290 --> 01:15:59.430
I hear what you're saying and I've heard of things like that, too

01:15:59.430 --> 01:16:03.950
You know, I was I have a friend who he's he's going to be a missionary and he reads a lot about like these

01:16:04.550 --> 01:16:11.730
Uncontacted tribal groups and he was telling me about how something that they honor in their culture is people who can befriend

01:16:11.730 --> 01:16:15.190
Somebody and earn their trust but then betray them

01:16:15.190 --> 01:16:20.990
Like it's actually seen as like a really more like like a something to be praised like

01:16:21.530 --> 01:16:22.710
Like you got him

01:16:23.170 --> 01:16:25.190
To think of you as like a brother

01:16:25.190 --> 01:16:29.370
But then you kill them and like and that receives praise and so like I

01:16:29.970 --> 01:16:35.270
Those are those are kind of tough to explain, but I think that even at the core there is some semblance of like universal

01:16:35.930 --> 01:16:36.450
truths

01:16:36.450 --> 01:16:41.230
Like you look at like meso american culture where you know, they would like kill people

01:16:41.230 --> 01:16:45.070
Right like these human sacrifices and we think oh that's so evil

01:16:45.070 --> 01:16:50.550
But in their minds they were actually trying to bring about some good for human flourishing

01:16:51.670 --> 01:16:54.270
Because they wanted to affect weather patterns

01:16:54.270 --> 01:17:00.130
They thought that maybe sacrificing these people would bless the harvest and therefore people could flourish

01:17:00.130 --> 01:17:05.590
And so I think a lot of these things that like hey, we we don't want to steal because we want people to flourish

01:17:05.590 --> 01:17:07.590
Hey, we don't murder because we want people to flourish

01:17:07.590 --> 01:17:11.810
Well, maybe in their minds it's like I befriend somebody and then I betray them

01:17:11.810 --> 01:17:17.590
I would be I would bet that you could trace it back to like they believe it leads to human flourishing

01:17:17.590 --> 01:17:23.730
So like even even though it is expressed in a way that's like completely backward and I believe that's immoral

01:17:23.730 --> 01:17:32.370
There are moral reasoning probably can trace back to the same reasons why I believe murder is wrong or stealing is wrong

01:17:32.370 --> 01:17:35.650
They just have a a very confused moral reasoning

01:17:35.650 --> 01:17:41.190
You know go around and study different cultures pretty much every culture believes that murder is wrong

01:17:41.190 --> 01:17:44.650
Pretty pretty much at least the murder of an innocent person

01:17:44.650 --> 01:17:48.810
But like what somebody defines as an innocent person can vary

01:17:48.810 --> 01:17:55.110
And so I think these these moral laws are are written upon our our souls and we understand them

01:17:55.110 --> 01:18:00.530
Even though in some crazy cultures, I don't know if you know the people get mad that I use the word crazy

01:18:00.530 --> 01:18:04.210
But in some of these cultures where things are a little backward

01:18:04.210 --> 01:18:12.150
It's just a a confused moral reasoning that leads to a very immoral expression of those moral truths

01:18:12.150 --> 01:18:16.090
But if you did kind of backtrack it and find the origin

01:18:16.090 --> 01:18:18.830
I think you still would find that it's

01:18:18.830 --> 01:18:21.030
It's trying to uphold the same thing

01:18:21.030 --> 01:18:26.210
So it's when I you know as you're talking about that, you know, even the meso american cultures

01:18:26.210 --> 01:18:28.530
They were sacrificing people because in

01:18:28.530 --> 01:18:35.670
Some of their beliefs they were bringing the sun rise another day and and the harvest and whatnot because it would lead to more human life

01:18:36.290 --> 01:18:41.670
Yeah, supposedly now the way I look at it is that's government and religious

01:18:42.830 --> 01:18:46.310
Teachings that's being taught to the masses to accept this, you know what I mean?

01:18:46.570 --> 01:18:49.730
And the masses did by and large probably accepted

01:18:49.730 --> 01:18:55.250
There was probably some people that were atheist or agnostic like me like man, this is that shit crazy

01:18:55.970 --> 01:18:57.490
Why are we doing this?

01:18:57.910 --> 01:19:04.310
But you can't just like today in in some middle eastern countries where religious totalitarian

01:19:04.890 --> 01:19:09.590
Nism, there have to be one or two dissidents that are like, man, this is stupid, man

01:19:09.590 --> 01:19:12.630
But I have I can't speak about against this, you know

01:19:12.630 --> 01:19:18.150
But unfortunately the masses will will gravitate to this and so in a weird way

01:19:18.150 --> 01:19:23.310
I'm trying to connect all this to to our modern time, you know, we see these false flags

01:19:23.310 --> 01:19:27.030
We see these lying about history well mainly most people will accept these narratives

01:19:27.030 --> 01:19:28.990
We landed to the moon killed

01:19:28.990 --> 01:19:32.270
Lincoln and blah blah overwhelmingly people do that

01:19:32.270 --> 01:19:36.870
But there will always be those couple dissidents that say no, I don't I don't believe in that

01:19:36.870 --> 01:19:38.210
I don't ascribe to that

01:19:38.710 --> 01:19:45.050
And I mean you talk about how maybe some of the backwards of this is what I mean by going back to the roots of the

01:19:45.050 --> 01:19:49.090
Bible like in the story of uh, Joshua where their god is telling them

01:19:49.090 --> 01:19:53.870
He's gonna be with them to defeat these tribes and he's gonna make the they have to go circle

01:19:54.450 --> 01:19:58.950
around this town and instill fear in them. I'm like, whoa, this is

01:19:58.950 --> 01:20:03.090
Kind of psychopathic and on the certain day the walls are gonna come down

01:20:03.090 --> 01:20:09.850
The trumpets are gonna thing and then they're gonna go in there and slaughter men women and children and even their livestock

01:20:10.450 --> 01:20:15.670
And raise the town to the ground. This is god commanding these people to do that

01:20:15.670 --> 01:20:20.930
And I'm looking at it now in 2026 and I see a lot of these people that go to church

01:20:20.930 --> 01:20:24.450
They go to church on the weekends and they're probably sitting on a pew and they're

01:20:24.450 --> 01:20:30.630
reading their scripture on an ipad and they're they're they probably have some contemporary music playing

01:20:31.190 --> 01:20:36.530
While they're in in service and I'm not trying to make fun of anyone, but it's just what I what goes through my mind

01:20:36.530 --> 01:20:40.850
I'm like, I wonder how so many of these people that go to these mega churches or nice churches

01:20:40.850 --> 01:20:46.830
You know, they drive up in their Lexus and park in the church and then do their tithing and read their scriptures on the tablet

01:20:46.830 --> 01:20:52.230
If we were to able to grab them stick them in a time machine and take them to this

01:20:52.230 --> 01:20:53.490
part of

01:20:53.490 --> 01:20:56.110
When the bible was going on when people were

01:20:56.650 --> 01:21:02.630
Sacrificing goats and slitting their throats and satans or saying certain chants and talking to the holy spirit

01:21:02.630 --> 01:21:06.990
So it doesn't kill them and I have a hard time believing that a lot of these people

01:21:06.990 --> 01:21:12.630
That are contemporary christians that in my view adhere to a liberalized

01:21:13.150 --> 01:21:19.270
Sanitized version of Judaism. I have a hard time believing that we could transport them to that time and they would be cool

01:21:19.270 --> 01:21:24.470
Absolutely, they would probably look at them as satanists and who are these barbarian savages?

01:21:24.970 --> 01:21:31.470
You know what I'm saying? I'm a christian. I I do not want to go to sleep and be reborn to be a contemporary with moses

01:21:32.530 --> 01:21:38.550
You know what? But you see my point though, but that's not like I don't think that that's necessarily a

01:21:38.550 --> 01:21:45.370
Good litmus test to see if somebody really believes these things because like I was born into a

01:21:45.370 --> 01:21:51.410
Completely different context with completely different sensibilities. I was born for a certain time

01:21:52.630 --> 01:21:56.430
And into a certain age and like yeah, like my preference is now

01:21:56.430 --> 01:22:01.790
It's like I like to wake up and have my nice warm coffee in the morning with air conditioning and freaking modern heating

01:22:02.410 --> 01:22:04.510
Like I don't want to go live in the middle of the desert

01:22:04.510 --> 01:22:09.330
But like I can I think I can read those stories and read the history

01:22:10.490 --> 01:22:15.630
And still have an appreciation that like for what god was doing through that epic in history

01:22:15.630 --> 01:22:18.710
I'm not troubled with the the sacrifices

01:22:19.390 --> 01:22:23.910
Of the old testament sacrificial system with like animal sacrifices and things like that

01:22:23.910 --> 01:22:26.810
Yeah, I wouldn't want to be covered in blood myself

01:22:27.570 --> 01:22:28.090
like

01:22:29.050 --> 01:22:32.310
That's me speaking as somebody who's just born in 2020

01:22:32.870 --> 01:22:34.170
Born in the 21st century

01:22:34.950 --> 01:22:39.870
But like the fact that it happens it doesn't it doesn't trouble my spirit at all

01:22:39.870 --> 01:22:42.030
And there are difficult things to reconcile

01:22:42.030 --> 01:22:45.470
But I think it's just because somebody wouldn't want to be transported back in time

01:22:47.130 --> 01:22:52.770
And and and their their modern sensibilities wouldn't mesh well with like the culture of the time because like

01:22:52.770 --> 01:22:58.030
You could put anybody today back in those times and it'd be like it would be a massive culture shock

01:22:58.030 --> 01:23:02.250
I guess the what I'm I maybe I didn't make my my

01:23:02.850 --> 01:23:07.050
Entire point or or stated good. I guess what I'm trying to get at is

01:23:07.850 --> 01:23:14.230
Those belief systems and I don't mean this in this respectful way are just fully antiquated. You know, they've been

01:23:14.230 --> 01:23:16.790
they the the stories have been

01:23:17.810 --> 01:23:21.470
Sanitized and edited to to fit the modern age, you know

01:23:21.470 --> 01:23:23.830
um, this is why you

01:23:24.410 --> 01:23:31.610
Like the the old testament is full of genocide man genocide genocide genocide and it's god ordering it and

01:23:31.610 --> 01:23:35.270
Let's let's talk about that for a second like who is being genocided

01:23:35.790 --> 01:23:37.110
The amacolites

01:23:37.590 --> 01:23:46.030
The canaanites the the jebu sites pretty much a lot of the tribes in that region because the Hebrew according to this

01:23:47.070 --> 01:23:50.450
You know these scriptures the Hebrew Israelites were gods chosen people

01:23:50.450 --> 01:23:54.070
And if we apply my way of view of looking at the world today

01:23:54.070 --> 01:23:58.150
History is always written by the victim one of the jebu sites were the chosen people

01:23:58.150 --> 01:24:04.330
But this is the version that we that has survived and endured and therefore it is the truth

01:24:04.330 --> 01:24:06.530
Well, so would you have any

01:24:07.170 --> 01:24:13.070
problem like so we have to just step back for a second right and and understand we as

01:24:13.070 --> 01:24:19.090
The created have no right to cast like god is god, right?

01:24:19.770 --> 01:24:21.630
And i'm i know you don't believe in god

01:24:21.630 --> 01:24:28.170
But like just for a second if god is the creator and he created all things and so he has perfect justice

01:24:28.170 --> 01:24:35.570
Perfect understanding all powerful and he's he's the is the essence of truth goodness and beauty

01:24:35.570 --> 01:24:40.870
And he has a chosen people that he's going to eventually use them as a vehicle to deliver

01:24:40.870 --> 01:24:43.990
Salvation to the world right because jesus is going to come through

01:24:44.650 --> 01:24:48.010
This lot of people and he's he is giving them the land

01:24:48.010 --> 01:24:55.050
But he's also judging these other peoples right who would slaughter babies and sacrifice them to molek

01:24:55.050 --> 01:24:57.410
Right like that's a very evil thing

01:24:57.410 --> 01:25:05.150
And so if god is using one people to bring judgment upon another um and and we're reading that i can't say

01:25:05.670 --> 01:25:11.790
God is immoral because where am i even getting my sense of right and wrong right like let's just let's just say for for the for

01:25:11.790 --> 01:25:18.710
Hypothetical there was a community down the street from where you or i live and this was an immoral people that

01:25:18.710 --> 01:25:22.370
Raped children every day. I don't think you'd have a problem. Just

01:25:22.370 --> 01:25:28.310
Abniolating them, but i would spare the women and children. I would feel the children could be rehabilitated

01:25:28.310 --> 01:25:31.230
I may be on board with the men for sure

01:25:31.230 --> 01:25:38.750
But i can't fathom any justification for ever killing children at all ever at all and the bible does it continuously

01:25:39.490 --> 01:25:45.610
So i mean like there's parts that like look it's hard to square with but at the end of the day

01:25:45.610 --> 01:25:50.370
Do we have a higher moral code that we can tell god?

01:25:50.710 --> 01:25:54.550
It's it's wrong of you to do that because it's like when paul's talking about i believe i do

01:25:54.550 --> 01:25:59.390
But what if i know it sounds sacrilegious, but i believe my moral code is better

01:25:59.390 --> 01:26:03.890
But what if and this is this is to somebody who doesn't believe in god like this might sound crazy

01:26:03.890 --> 01:26:05.910
But what if it's actually an act of mercy?

01:26:06.370 --> 01:26:12.070
You know the bible talks about how every tongue tribe and nation will worship god and rather than letting a child

01:26:12.070 --> 01:26:16.490
Come up in that degenerate society and possibly end up becoming a murder

01:26:16.490 --> 01:26:19.010
Like god wants his people to have nothing to do with that

01:26:19.010 --> 01:26:25.070
And he's wiping out evil and to take foreign wives, but possibly like that's one of the reasons why

01:26:25.070 --> 01:26:29.410
They weren't allowed to take foreign wives the the israelites because taking a foreign wife

01:26:29.410 --> 01:26:32.130
Every time that's happened like you look at solemn

01:26:32.130 --> 01:26:35.170
He took foreign wives and what happened a few few years later

01:26:35.170 --> 01:26:38.790
He's he's he has a worshiping their gods and god is a jealous god

01:26:38.790 --> 01:26:43.990
Where he won't settle for people worshiping anybody else other than him. Yeah

01:26:43.990 --> 01:26:49.010
Yeah, that that was another key takeaway that i've been getting he's constantly like especially in the

01:26:49.590 --> 01:26:54.250
In the exodus where he's constantly he constantly has to make the reminder

01:26:54.250 --> 01:26:57.530
I am the god that your ancestors prayed upon

01:26:57.530 --> 01:27:01.610
Because this is a time period where the more I studied it it becomes clear

01:27:01.610 --> 01:27:06.110
It was a polytheistic religion that came out and it slowly

01:27:06.110 --> 01:27:13.030
Turned into a monotheistic religion. This is why I mentioned, you know, even in genesis god refers to himself

01:27:13.030 --> 01:27:16.870
Your ancestors knew me as el shadat el elawim

01:27:18.030 --> 01:27:21.870
Well, so that's just god take like it's one god, but like

01:27:21.870 --> 01:27:24.950
Each different name it doesn't mean it's a different god

01:27:25.590 --> 01:27:30.750
It is though because it's no, but it is it's they're using a different word for like

01:27:31.950 --> 01:27:34.230
Elohim refers to like the creator god

01:27:34.230 --> 01:27:38.270
So like in the creation account you're gonna see the word elohim because it's god

01:27:38.270 --> 01:27:45.050
In the canaanite religion that is the top god and then right below there's a lesser god named ball

01:27:45.050 --> 01:27:48.030
So it becomes clear for me at least that

01:27:48.030 --> 01:27:52.150
Judaism evolved from the god el the top because god was

01:27:52.670 --> 01:27:56.810
In the canaanite religion they had a pantheon. They had a bunch of different gods and goddesses

01:27:56.810 --> 01:27:58.930
El was the the creator god

01:27:58.930 --> 01:28:02.390
And then you had ball b a who was a lesser god

01:28:02.390 --> 01:28:08.510
But also had a lot of power and so it becomes clear as I've studied this more and more

01:28:08.510 --> 01:28:10.070
I've gone super deep man

01:28:10.470 --> 01:28:14.970
it becomes clear that Judaism then merged the god el and

01:28:15.050 --> 01:28:22.650
The god ball together and so because remember when moses goes up to the what's that that mountain and then he comes

01:28:22.650 --> 01:28:25.950
Yeah, my mouse and I to get the commandments and then when it comes down

01:28:25.950 --> 01:28:31.830
What are the people doing? They made a an idol a calf, right a baby bull

01:28:31.830 --> 01:28:34.290
This is what this is what the canaanites worship

01:28:34.290 --> 01:28:39.410
So to me the signs and the clues are all in the old testament that the

01:28:40.150 --> 01:28:44.210
These thoughts and beliefs. I know you don't don't agree with it. I know you

01:28:44.210 --> 01:28:49.190
You believe in the creation story. I'm just saying the way I look at it becomes quite apparent

01:28:49.790 --> 01:28:53.010
that these beliefs originated somewhere else and

01:28:53.010 --> 01:28:56.550
It's I'm not saying that they necessarily stole these ideas

01:28:56.550 --> 01:29:02.390
They just improved upon and and gave their own mission message. Let me give you a perfect example of this in meso america

01:29:02.390 --> 01:29:04.230
The old mechs are

01:29:04.230 --> 01:29:09.630
Civilized or the toll techs were in mexico city and we know very little about the toll techs

01:29:09.630 --> 01:29:14.050
But they built these there's a massive pyramid. It's called the pyramid of the sun in mexico city

01:29:14.050 --> 01:29:16.330
I've been there massive structure freaking amazing

01:29:16.330 --> 01:29:18.250
Exquisite exquisite stuff

01:29:18.250 --> 01:29:20.130
But we don't know much about the toll techs

01:29:20.130 --> 01:29:25.910
But it is believed that the god known as the feathered serpent originated with with the toll techs

01:29:25.910 --> 01:29:31.530
And then eventually the asteks adopted it this god and they named him gets alcohol the feathered serpent

01:29:31.530 --> 01:29:36.450
The mayans also praised a similar god a feathered serpent

01:29:36.450 --> 01:29:38.090
But they named it in their culture

01:29:38.850 --> 01:29:43.290
We also see this with the greeks and the romans where the greeks were

01:29:43.290 --> 01:29:48.110
Highly influenced by the egyptian mythology and then they came up with their own mythos

01:29:48.110 --> 01:29:51.730
Then the romans were like, oh man, these greeks have some stuff on point

01:29:51.730 --> 01:29:56.990
So they borrowed a lot of this is why a lot of the gods when you look at greek and roman mythology

01:29:56.990 --> 01:30:00.150
It's the same god. They just the romans gave them a slightly different twist

01:30:00.150 --> 01:30:05.170
I think this is a thing that cultures do when they're living in proximity with each other

01:30:05.170 --> 01:30:08.570
They're gonna borrow ideas and thoughts from each other

01:30:09.130 --> 01:30:13.930
Then some are gonna take certain evolutionary paths and and come out this way and that way

01:30:13.930 --> 01:30:20.390
I think that's what happened with judieism when you study canaanites when you study the sumerians the epic of gilgamesh

01:30:20.390 --> 01:30:25.410
You see that the evolution and this is the product that we see today has been

01:30:25.410 --> 01:30:31.850
On a process of evolution for thousands of years at this point and I know you disagree with it

01:30:31.850 --> 01:30:36.590
But this is this is where i'm seeing. Yeah, no, and I appreciate you sharing, you know, there are

01:30:36.590 --> 01:30:39.190
I don't want to say this because there's there's kind of a lot

01:30:39.670 --> 01:30:44.170
I'm loving it by yeah, by the way, matthew. Same here. Same here. I love these deep conversations

01:30:44.170 --> 01:30:50.070
Yeah, I think I think there's always going to be in every civilization people trying to

01:30:50.810 --> 01:30:52.090
Explain certain things

01:30:52.090 --> 01:30:57.210
I get that you kind of see them all as equal, but one of them has to be true and

01:30:58.070 --> 01:31:02.030
You know question is how do you know which one what what if it was the

01:31:02.030 --> 01:31:03.630
mythology that was true

01:31:03.630 --> 01:31:06.430
What if it was a greek mythology that was true? What if it was an image?

01:31:06.790 --> 01:31:14.390
I think all of those things like I think the fact that there are similarities between them are sort of like pointing to the fact that

01:31:14.390 --> 01:31:17.050
Like they're grasping for something that's true

01:31:17.050 --> 01:31:23.470
And like just because there might be similarities in some of the gods or the explanations

01:31:23.470 --> 01:31:27.230
Those can just be sort of things that they made their own traditions

01:31:28.110 --> 01:31:32.510
You know, but they ultimately kind of maybe might trace back to something like you know

01:31:32.510 --> 01:31:37.390
You were talking about how every lot a lot of world religions talk about a flood, right?

01:31:37.830 --> 01:31:43.390
Well, maybe that's just because there actually was a flood and they're just kind of coming up with their own explanation and running with it

01:31:43.390 --> 01:31:46.050
Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, so

01:31:46.050 --> 01:31:50.470
But the bible like I do think it's in a bit of a category of its own

01:31:50.470 --> 01:31:57.150
In that like archaeologically just the the fact that like the amount of like home or zileid

01:31:57.150 --> 01:32:01.530
I think there's only like two two original copies or copies of copies

01:32:01.530 --> 01:32:04.170
Like they don't actually have the original copies and I don't think there's any

01:32:04.170 --> 01:32:06.970
Original copies of some of these old testament texts

01:32:06.970 --> 01:32:10.590
But like we do have copies of copies and then copies of those copies of those copies

01:32:11.190 --> 01:32:16.150
And like just the amount of ancient texts that exist for the bible that can be

01:32:16.150 --> 01:32:19.530
Cross-referenced with a lot of like the historical events

01:32:19.530 --> 01:32:24.650
I do I do think it matches up a lot better than a lot of these other ones again

01:32:24.650 --> 01:32:29.070
I'm not going to say here and say I'm an expert on every world religion, but

01:32:30.110 --> 01:32:35.050
Then you look at like yeah, moses leading his people out of egypt

01:32:35.590 --> 01:32:41.270
There's no archaeological evidence for that. No, but there's um like what the bible is talking about

01:32:41.850 --> 01:32:48.250
Even scholars will say yeah, that that could have been a completely manufactured story the story of the exodus

01:32:48.250 --> 01:32:51.610
Yeah, I don't have like there's no evidence for it

01:32:52.240 --> 01:32:58.110
No, no, I think there is I think like there's the pharaohs that are talked about in genesis

01:32:58.110 --> 01:33:03.390
We're the ones at the time ramsies. There's might there might not be I don't know

01:33:03.390 --> 01:33:05.990
I don't have all the mental recall right now, right?

01:33:06.050 --> 01:33:14.070
And I'm not gonna pretend that like I'm an expert on cross-referencing the bible texts with like all of egyptian history

01:33:14.070 --> 01:33:17.010
But like I know that there's

01:33:17.750 --> 01:33:25.190
More connecting the bible to actual historical events than a lot of these other ones and that's that's not that's not like

01:33:25.190 --> 01:33:28.370
It's not like wheezy believe because I I say I know

01:33:28.370 --> 01:33:29.230
Um

01:33:29.790 --> 01:33:34.390
Like there's just a lot of things we got to reconcile with dude. There's there's there's so many

01:33:34.390 --> 01:33:40.470
What is truth man? Yeah, but I come back to the person of jesus. We know he existed

01:33:40.470 --> 01:33:44.970
We wouldn't we bc in ad if he didn't you know, there are there are

01:33:44.970 --> 01:33:49.830
Historic like that's something I can speak a little bit more about, you know, we have like the accounts of jesus docephus

01:33:49.830 --> 01:33:57.090
There's the accounts of cornelius tacitus. You have the gospel accounts themselves, which a lot of people like to say

01:33:57.570 --> 01:34:02.270
You shouldn't be able to use those as authoritative historical texts

01:34:02.270 --> 01:34:07.510
But like we have thousands of copies of these manuscripts and so we know jesus existed

01:34:07.510 --> 01:34:12.530
We know nobody's been able to match like his impact on civilization

01:34:12.530 --> 01:34:14.410
And he claimed to be the son of god

01:34:14.410 --> 01:34:20.510
So we have to we have to do something with that you either have to believe him or you don't and you know coming back to

01:34:21.130 --> 01:34:25.110
The name of your podcast what is truth? I'm reminded of what jesus said

01:34:25.110 --> 01:34:29.870
He said I am the way the truth in the life and his response to punch his pilot actually

01:34:30.390 --> 01:34:33.790
I got my bible right here. Someone open it is um in john 18

01:34:34.290 --> 01:34:40.430
It says everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice and that's when paunch's pilot says what is truth

01:34:40.430 --> 01:34:45.630
But everyone who listens to my voice is of the truth. So and who is truth?

01:34:45.730 --> 01:34:47.990
I think truth is not necessarily just one thing

01:34:47.990 --> 01:34:52.210
But it's a person and that the purest embodiment it is christ himself

01:34:52.210 --> 01:34:56.370
He is the way the truth and the life and nobody comes to the father

01:34:56.370 --> 01:35:01.290
Except through me and his life his testimony his death and resurrection

01:35:01.290 --> 01:35:06.570
Meet god's demand for perfect justice like we were talking about rights and wrongs earlier

01:35:06.570 --> 01:35:09.890
Is like is lying a sin or is it not? Is it right or is it wrong?

01:35:10.050 --> 01:35:14.430
Like we know even people who are non-christians know that that lying is wrong

01:35:14.430 --> 01:35:19.430
But why or that committing murder is wrong, right? Like we've fallen short

01:35:19.430 --> 01:35:23.930
We've sinned and god sent his son to reconcile us to him

01:35:23.930 --> 01:35:28.150
And the only thing that could actually meet the demands of his perfect justice

01:35:28.150 --> 01:35:35.910
Because we've sinned against an eternal god is jesus. And so I don't know. I don't know what you're thinking about all that when I say that but it's uh

01:35:37.170 --> 01:35:38.370
We have to be

01:35:38.370 --> 01:35:39.190
I mean

01:35:39.890 --> 01:35:46.630
What is it your experience as a as a as a man that uh, you're content with yourself that you're content with

01:35:46.630 --> 01:35:54.910
You know your life and having never sinned or like do you have that sense of justice written in your in your heart that

01:35:55.530 --> 01:35:57.930
These things will have to be accounted for

01:35:58.450 --> 01:36:04.690
You know the bible talks about how Jesus is going to like we're gonna have to give an account for everything we've done right like

01:36:04.690 --> 01:36:05.450
and

01:36:05.980 --> 01:36:10.030
Like if I if I examine my life and I look at some of the things I've I've done

01:36:10.030 --> 01:36:13.890
It's like man. I've really messed up here or like no

01:36:13.890 --> 01:36:17.410
I'm uh like even even my best works are but dirty rags, right?

01:36:17.570 --> 01:36:20.010
And you know, I look at I think about death

01:36:20.010 --> 01:36:22.090
I think about what's gonna happen to me after I die and

01:36:22.090 --> 01:36:28.410
You know, I look at what the bible says where says the wages of sin is death the wages of sin is death and

01:36:29.030 --> 01:36:34.510
I can't make myself clean. It's gonna have to it's gonna have to come from somebody who's perfect

01:36:34.510 --> 01:36:39.810
It's gonna have to come from somebody who's perfect and clean and has never seen and that is that is jesus

01:36:39.810 --> 01:36:40.610
So my thoughts

01:36:41.030 --> 01:36:41.950
Yeah, what are your thoughts

01:36:42.910 --> 01:36:44.510
What you just said is you know

01:36:44.510 --> 01:36:50.390
This is a lot of the stuff that my dad was seeing prior to his Alzheimer's kicking in you you're gonna have to account

01:36:50.390 --> 01:36:51.690
For the way you're living

01:36:52.190 --> 01:36:55.290
And it's just this and I don't mean this in a derogatory way

01:36:55.290 --> 01:36:59.510
This is just the way I hear it and the way I try my brain processes it

01:36:59.510 --> 01:37:01.310
But it's like living in fear again

01:37:01.310 --> 01:37:06.790
This is why I view both government and religious thought in much a similar light

01:37:06.790 --> 01:37:14.230
They both feed you this constant barrage of fear porn to living in fear instead of living life

01:37:14.230 --> 01:37:17.950
That brings you happiness just reading the the ancient philosophers

01:37:17.950 --> 01:37:21.070
You know like a Seneca Seneca wasn't Christian at all

01:37:21.070 --> 01:37:24.550
But you read his writings. He was living as good as he could be

01:37:24.550 --> 01:37:26.910
You know, maybe he was a hypocrite

01:37:26.910 --> 01:37:30.730
You know in his real life same thing with Marcus Aurelius Marcus Aurelius writings are

01:37:31.630 --> 01:37:38.090
Amazing amazing words to live by but it's entirely possible. He doesn't have anything the way he wrote about

01:37:38.090 --> 01:37:43.690
We're all humans at the end of the day. It's not to crap on anyone. You know, I'm a human and

01:37:43.690 --> 01:37:45.910
when I grew up very religious

01:37:46.530 --> 01:37:46.770
And

01:37:47.250 --> 01:37:53.470
You know, I still remember feeling shame for you know, if I wanted to uh, how do I say this to keep you rated g?

01:37:53.730 --> 01:37:57.930
If I wanted to explore my my self gratification as a kid

01:37:57.930 --> 01:38:01.370
I was meant to feel horrible shame, you know

01:38:01.370 --> 01:38:05.510
You need to go to the priest and confess your sins. God is watching you, you know

01:38:05.510 --> 01:38:13.070
Or if I saw a woman's beautiful curves, for example, and I caught myself under religious thought

01:38:13.070 --> 01:38:16.110
I was like, oh man, I'm gonna my eyes are making me sin

01:38:16.110 --> 01:38:22.090
You know, I feel so much guilt and now as I'm older and everything I'm like, no, man. That's a nice rack

01:38:22.090 --> 01:38:25.910
I'm gonna enjoy it. I'm not gonna feel guilty about this stuff, man

01:38:25.910 --> 01:38:28.130
There's bigger things to worry about

01:38:28.130 --> 01:38:31.610
There's kids getting killed on a daily basis in Palestine

01:38:31.610 --> 01:38:36.190
But I'm supposed to feel guilty because I enjoy a nice pair of racks

01:38:36.190 --> 01:38:40.110
You know, like it's like people's priorities are all over the place

01:38:40.110 --> 01:38:45.410
And I blame a lot of this on government indoctrination and religious indoctrination

01:38:45.410 --> 01:38:48.930
Let's worry about real stuff that's happening. You know what I mean?

01:38:49.230 --> 01:38:52.650
Let's fix the homeless problem and instead of worrying about

01:38:52.650 --> 01:38:58.330
Debating who can go into a bathroom and who can't you know what I mean? Like this is the stuff that I worry about

01:38:58.330 --> 01:39:02.370
This is my personal ethics. Let's worry about real stuff instead of this stupid

01:39:03.290 --> 01:39:09.110
Superficial nonsense that we're constantly arguing back and forth about that's the way I go about my life

01:39:09.110 --> 01:39:15.150
And so I don't care if I get judged by this god if he exists or doesn't I don't worry about that

01:39:15.150 --> 01:39:20.950
I honestly don't care. I'm gonna live to leave behind the best legacy that I can do

01:39:20.950 --> 01:39:24.610
I could very well die tomorrow going to work and I feel

01:39:24.610 --> 01:39:29.510
Especially the last few years. I've tried to become a better human being so I would have no regrets

01:39:29.510 --> 01:39:32.770
You know what I mean? This is my legacy. This is what it is. You know what I mean?

01:39:32.770 --> 01:39:35.270
And now that my dad has had

01:39:35.770 --> 01:39:36.730
Alzheimer's now, you know

01:39:36.730 --> 01:39:42.510
Officially this year. I've been thinking about him a lot man because he was constantly you need to repent

01:39:42.510 --> 01:39:45.910
The end is near. Jesus is coming. He's gonna judge

01:39:46.450 --> 01:39:50.590
Always man. Like I it saddens me because I wanted to know my dad

01:39:50.590 --> 01:39:54.590
I wanted to ask him stuff about his childhood and he never opened up man

01:39:54.590 --> 01:39:58.050
He just it was always jesus and god jesus and god and repent

01:39:58.610 --> 01:40:03.810
Blah blah blah always non-stop. It was I'm not exaggerating man. It was it was extremist

01:40:03.810 --> 01:40:09.590
If my dad was an arab, he would have been a jihadi. He was a christian extremist man like

01:40:09.590 --> 01:40:14.230
Non-stop and so for me. I'm like, man, I don't like this extremism

01:40:14.230 --> 01:40:18.850
I don't want nothing to do with that man. I'm gonna I'm gonna live and let live man

01:40:18.850 --> 01:40:24.270
I'm not gonna force my view my perceptions of of morality onto others man

01:40:24.270 --> 01:40:27.110
The way I look at things is I don't care what you believe

01:40:27.110 --> 01:40:32.130
I don't care what they believe or or whoever believes as long as you don't infringe on someone else's well-being

01:40:32.130 --> 01:40:39.350
I don't care man. I honestly don't care once you start infringing on another person's well-being whether that's

01:40:39.350 --> 01:40:44.770
Getting kids to do these stupid procedures and and hormones and stuff now you're infringing on other people's well-being

01:40:44.770 --> 01:40:47.830
I'm not cool with that. I don't care, you know, or you're telling

01:40:48.430 --> 01:40:51.470
Your religious beliefs tell you that you need to do this

01:40:51.470 --> 01:40:56.690
But if infringes on someone else's well-being, I don't care. I'm not cool with that. That's the way I look at it

01:40:56.690 --> 01:40:58.570
but coming back to my dad my dad is

01:40:59.630 --> 01:41:03.910
Was at one point a religious zealot and now with his Alzheimer's

01:41:04.330 --> 01:41:09.670
He doesn't talk about God at all. You know when I when we first started accepting that

01:41:10.190 --> 01:41:11.830
dad had Alzheimer's

01:41:12.830 --> 01:41:17.010
That was the first dead giveaway. He would have I would talk to him over the phone and then

01:41:18.030 --> 01:41:23.510
Zero mention of God or the Gospels or repenting or nothing. That's freaking weird

01:41:23.510 --> 01:41:25.870
I actually enjoy this conversation with my dad

01:41:25.870 --> 01:41:33.410
But that was like the onset and it's almost like Alzheimer's erased all the hardcore reading of the bible every day

01:41:34.050 --> 01:41:39.030
I don't know if there was a way to tell how many times he read the bible over the over his lifetime

01:41:39.030 --> 01:41:41.910
How many times over it was several times over man

01:41:41.910 --> 01:41:43.910
My dad knew the he could give you

01:41:44.410 --> 01:41:47.770
If you gave a religious quote or you know a bible verse

01:41:47.770 --> 01:41:50.570
He would tell you exactly what book and chapter in verse

01:41:50.570 --> 01:41:54.350
My dad was that hardcore with it and now he doesn't talk about it

01:41:54.350 --> 01:41:57.430
So as someone that thinks a lot about these things I've been thinking about my dad

01:41:57.430 --> 01:42:00.430
I'm like damn. This is all he lived for the last

01:42:00.950 --> 01:42:02.570
several decades of his life

01:42:03.530 --> 01:42:10.390
And it sounds harsh, but it's like it was all for nothing now now he doesn't now you could you could view it in a

01:42:10.390 --> 01:42:17.170
Different way. I'm just telling you from my perspective. I'm like all that crazy all that shunning of family members

01:42:17.170 --> 01:42:21.090
He would ostracize and judge other people push people away

01:42:21.090 --> 01:42:24.950
All that shit was for nothing now because now you're out your brain is done

01:42:24.950 --> 01:42:28.850
So when I look at my dad my own personal experience with my dad

01:42:28.850 --> 01:42:33.390
I'm like he kind of left the shitty ass legacy with his religious extremism

01:42:33.390 --> 01:42:37.150
I don't want to do that. I want to try to be the best person that I can

01:42:37.150 --> 01:42:42.390
I'm not perfect by any means man, but I'm going to try to do things as best as I could

01:42:42.390 --> 01:42:46.470
So that if I go or if my brain goes at one point people like hey man

01:42:46.470 --> 01:42:52.030
At least he was trying to be the best person that he could be and so that's why I live that

01:42:52.030 --> 01:42:54.450
I do it all for legacy because I don't know

01:42:54.450 --> 01:42:56.930
There's no way to know if there's an afterlife or not

01:42:56.930 --> 01:43:01.230
Maybe we just go to the ground and the bugs eat us and that's it and the way we

01:43:01.690 --> 01:43:04.090
rejuvenate in the next world is through our

01:43:04.570 --> 01:43:10.370
Breakdown of our body and and going back into the soil and then coming back into the planet that way

01:43:10.370 --> 01:43:14.670
That's possible that religious people don't want to accept but that could be possible

01:43:14.670 --> 01:43:18.170
Maybe there is an afterlife. I don't know, but I don't worry about it, man

01:43:18.170 --> 01:43:21.890
I just worry about leaving the best legacy that I can and

01:43:21.890 --> 01:43:25.510
That's all I try to worry about stuff that I can control

01:43:25.510 --> 01:43:29.490
I can't worry about things that are out of my control is what I'm trying to get at

01:43:29.490 --> 01:43:33.050
No, I definitely appreciate you sharing that story about your dad

01:43:33.770 --> 01:43:39.330
I could I could I could see how that would shape your view on all of this. I could definitely see that

01:43:40.990 --> 01:43:45.730
And yeah, I mean I think we're all just people at the end of the day

01:43:45.730 --> 01:43:50.790
But I don't think we can like like you say you're trying to live good. It's like

01:43:51.530 --> 01:43:56.250
How are you? How do you define how do you define that? How do you define like the the moral

01:43:56.810 --> 01:44:02.930
The moral reasoning behind that like I just said earlier by not infringing upon another person's will

01:44:03.050 --> 01:44:08.110
But why do you think that that's that why do you think infringing upon another person's well-being is it's not good?

01:44:08.610 --> 01:44:11.610
Like because if you were to trace it all the way back like

01:44:12.170 --> 01:44:15.990
I'm taking away their autonomy. I'm taking away their sovereignty of being

01:44:15.990 --> 01:44:18.450
What it is to be a human being that's why

01:44:18.450 --> 01:44:23.630
You know who the hell am I to tell someone that they need to believe this or believe that way

01:44:23.630 --> 01:44:30.010
Or behave this or behave that if whatever the hell they're doing is not hurting anyone else

01:44:30.010 --> 01:44:32.210
Whether it's kids or full-grown adults

01:44:32.210 --> 01:44:38.370
I don't care and so I'm I'm not I'm not taking away that individual person's sovereignty

01:44:38.370 --> 01:44:43.710
You know what I mean? So that to me covers everything because if you said well, what about what about this?

01:44:43.810 --> 01:44:46.490
Well, is it hurting kids? Then no, I'm not cool with that

01:44:46.490 --> 01:44:50.770
Is it hurting that person physically or emotionally or or stunting their

01:44:50.770 --> 01:44:54.790
Physical growth and or emotional growth in one way. I'm not cool with that

01:44:54.790 --> 01:45:00.390
So I feel that way of morality that works for me, you know, I know you said for you scriptures

01:45:00.390 --> 01:45:07.610
What works for me living life in this way where I don't care just as long as I'm not infringing on another person's well-being

01:45:07.610 --> 01:45:09.950
like for me personally if

01:45:10.670 --> 01:45:14.450
If I'm on you know, if I'm somewhere and I see someone struggling

01:45:14.450 --> 01:45:19.310
I'm gonna if I can I'll stop buying hell why because some moral duty

01:45:19.310 --> 01:45:21.330
You see my dad used to say you're gonna work

01:45:21.330 --> 01:45:26.910
You're gonna win points to go to heaven and I remember thinking I'm like, I'm not doing this for no goddamn points

01:45:26.910 --> 01:45:30.270
I'm doing it because that comes from within me. You know what I mean?

01:45:30.390 --> 01:45:32.810
I drive up and down these roads all the damn MacArthur man

01:45:32.810 --> 01:45:38.670
And I probably save several turtles a week and I'm not doing it because I want people to record myself

01:45:38.670 --> 01:45:41.650
You know like oh look at me. Look how cool I am put me on

01:45:41.650 --> 01:45:47.410
You know on on instagram or facebook. I saved a turtle. I do it all the week. Why am I doing it?

01:45:47.590 --> 01:45:50.470
I want to give that little creature an extra day to live

01:45:50.870 --> 01:45:54.990
You know, I mean it's there's nothing magical. There's nothing fancy about it, man

01:45:54.990 --> 01:45:57.090
It's just that's the way I live life, man

01:45:57.090 --> 01:46:02.250
And if I can try to help a creature or a fellow human being I'm gonna take that opportunity to do so

01:46:02.250 --> 01:46:07.790
But that's because it comes from within me. You know, that's part of my personality. That's what makes me me

01:46:09.450 --> 01:46:13.130
Weezy I want to thank you for this conversation, man. It's been really fun

01:46:13.550 --> 01:46:14.330
I loved it

01:46:15.510 --> 01:46:18.670
You know, I'm not I'm actually not I for somebody who has a podcast

01:46:18.670 --> 01:46:22.770
I I don't consider myself well spoken at all. It's kind of good, man

01:46:22.770 --> 01:46:28.090
Like give me a copy and I'll put it on my platforms, man. If you can share it with my folks

01:46:28.090 --> 01:46:33.250
Yeah, yeah, the folks will will enjoy you because not everyone that follows me views things

01:46:33.250 --> 01:46:36.350
I'm sure there's plenty of people that follow me that are religious

01:46:36.350 --> 01:46:40.110
Um and and still and I'm sure there'll be people that that really enjoyed you

01:46:40.110 --> 01:46:44.490
So you're doing good, man. So I appreciate it and uh, yeah best of luck to you, man

01:46:44.490 --> 01:46:46.850
And maybe we'll do it again sometime in the future. Absolutely

01:46:47.650 --> 01:46:49.130
All right, brother. Have a good one. Yes, sir