WEBVTT 01:12.560 --> 01:20.180 and welcome to Beth of Fresh Air. I'm so excited. Pretty excited to be here today. I have to say 01:20.180 --> 01:25.760 I'm loving this podcast a lot. I like it as an anchor. I like looking forward to Fridays 01:26.920 --> 01:33.760 and visiting with you guys. So always come say hi in the chat. I do kind of no pressure but 01:33.760 --> 01:41.800 depend on you to be there to interact with and bounce ideas around and get some new data 01:41.800 --> 01:47.760 or questions or thoughts or anything like that. And before we get started talking about a very 01:47.760 --> 01:53.160 important subject, decalting. I made up a word for this one. Then I'm going to let you know what's 01:53.160 --> 01:58.640 going on. Mike New is here. Welcome. So great to have you here. Fantastic. I'm glad you could 01:58.640 --> 02:03.860 join us. And so what do we got coming up? First of all, in the House of Free Will, 02:04.280 --> 02:09.960 it is a very full weekend. There's an event tomorrow on Love Your Liver. If you're 02:09.960 --> 02:15.600 not familiar with Nutrition Detective and Dr. Garrett Smith's work, we have a small group 02:15.600 --> 02:22.500 in the House of Free Will on a private telegram where we discuss our findings on the Love Your 02:22.500 --> 02:27.020 Liver path. It is a very specific path. If you're not familiar with it already, please do go and 02:27.020 --> 02:32.680 listen to my interviews with Garrett. There's three of them plus one he interviewed me. So that 02:32.680 --> 02:38.200 gives you a really good foundation. He also has a YouTube channel like huge and there's 02:38.200 --> 02:44.960 tons of information there. So if you're new to it, it's okay, but don't come to debate 02:45.780 --> 02:51.420 the things that you are doing or thinking about or anything like that just because we're really 02:51.420 --> 02:57.580 focused on the Love Your Liver path there. So that's tomorrow at noon central time. There's 02:57.580 --> 03:01.620 still time. If anybody would like to apply to be a member if you're not already, 03:01.980 --> 03:07.520 then you could grab this link from the chat, which I think will be clickable now apparently. 03:09.380 --> 03:15.400 There is, oh yeah, I was going to showcase some sound effects, which I think I will do as well. 03:16.180 --> 03:21.400 StreamYard keeps adding to their features. It's funny because I keep considering to cancel them 03:21.400 --> 03:27.660 and then they add all kinds of new stuff. They're super expensive, but this makes it easy for me 03:27.660 --> 03:34.100 because I'm not an OBS expert by any means. And then Sunday coming up is a House of Free 03:34.100 --> 03:41.040 Well Movie event. So periodically we choose movies or in this case a series to watch together 03:41.040 --> 03:48.560 and to discuss and unpack and eat popcorn and have some fun. It's scheduled at a good time for both 03:48.560 --> 03:53.480 the North Americans and Europeans. I always have to choose between Europeans and Australians, 03:54.180 --> 04:02.980 sadly, but for this one the person who suggested it can only come at noon on Sundays. So that's 04:02.980 --> 04:09.420 series called The Prisoner from 1968. It's not the movie The Prisoner, it's the 1968 quirky 04:10.040 --> 04:18.020 sci-fi weird bust out of the Matrix theme. I find it very interesting because it was, 04:18.680 --> 04:24.080 I guess they started it the year I was born and it brings back that Doctor Who kind of 04:24.080 --> 04:30.180 feel. So that's going to be a lot of fun. This is all included for your membership, 04:30.180 --> 04:35.140 by the way, there's no charge for these events. And then the next one is coming up Monday, 04:35.440 --> 04:41.000 it is a round table in law. And I finally have people in my world that I want to talk to about 04:41.000 --> 04:51.640 the law again. I ran out of stuff because we ran into just so much nonsense. But this is going 04:51.640 --> 04:56.540 to be really interesting. It's on the private domain and the mythology around the private domain 04:56.540 --> 05:02.480 has been really thick and fast coming. It seems to go in waves, it's coming up again, 05:02.600 --> 05:08.660 making a new wave. So we are going to in the private, I'm not one to go and call anybody out 05:08.660 --> 05:14.660 or threaten anyone's grift or anything like that. But I want my people to know what's real 05:14.660 --> 05:20.800 and what's not real. I know I went through several versions of reality myself until coming 05:20.800 --> 05:27.100 like, oh, okay. So the law is very interesting. It's going to be from the perspective of 05:27.600 --> 05:34.440 English law that really is the law of the lands. That will apply if you're in Canada, 05:34.720 --> 05:40.480 in the US, Australia, any commonwealth country, Europe, European Union, all of that kind of 05:40.480 --> 05:46.220 thing. So that is coming up Monday at 5 p.m. Central Standard Time. This one is good 05:46.220 --> 05:51.580 for Australians. I did that on purpose because there's some new members that are really into the law 05:51.580 --> 05:58.540 and especially the English law and the real deal kind of thing. No inventions, no assumptions, 05:58.540 --> 06:04.720 just let's look at the actual deal. Okay, so that's that. And now we've got some sirens that 06:04.720 --> 06:11.140 has that for a sign. Maybe I'll take a little break for sound effects. We get the applause. 06:13.120 --> 06:19.580 Just found these. It's hilarious. Just in case anyone wasn't nervous, you might be a little bit 06:19.580 --> 06:29.740 now. And if there was something funny would happen, we'll get this. Maybe, if I remember to it. And then 06:29.740 --> 06:34.760 if somebody's being bad in the chat, you might get a bounce. It doesn't happen very often. 06:34.880 --> 06:40.460 I'm very, very blessed with my audience. You guys don't, I don't attract trolls for very 06:40.460 --> 06:45.500 long by any means. And then if I say something stupid, maybe I'll get it gone. 06:47.920 --> 06:55.260 All right, good. Satisfied. My urge to do that since they exist. And then coming up on the 06:55.260 --> 07:01.540 King Hero's journey, Joel Schaefer is going to be on December 11th at 3 p.m. Central Time 07:01.540 --> 07:05.000 next week. Boy, I'm excited to talk to that guy. I've really been anticipating this 07:05.000 --> 07:10.420 conversation. And I got the sound boards. Yep, exactly. I know. I'm moving up around here. 07:12.760 --> 07:18.000 And yeah, Joel, he's going to, he's a gem. I just, I just love his, honestly, his humility, 07:18.420 --> 07:22.100 that the path that he's on is making him humble. And it's such a beautiful thing. 07:22.580 --> 07:26.700 And then I have the great privilege. He's going to be interviewing me on December 15 07:26.700 --> 07:34.420 at 1 p.m. Central Time, not long after that. Kelsey Kenny is coming on. She is the, 07:35.700 --> 07:41.100 in a way, the feminine counterpart to the love your liver nutrition detective world. 07:41.500 --> 07:46.680 And she is a molecular biologist. So we're going to talk about brain and breath food. 07:47.100 --> 07:52.740 Breath food. That's not bath food. That's breath food. So I'm excited. December 18, 07:52.740 --> 07:57.880 3 p.m. Central Time. She's going to geek right out. And my science mind has been 07:59.020 --> 08:03.540 ramping up my capacity to take that stuff in. It's been good. Oh, there must be something 08:03.540 --> 08:10.040 major going on out there. Lots of sirens. And then I just booked Alex Michael, who you might 08:10.040 --> 08:16.800 know is the conspiracy music guru coming on December 22nd at 11 a.m. early on a Monday. 08:17.320 --> 08:23.540 So that's a little better for him where he lives in Spain. And hello, Emil. Nice to see you. You 08:23.540 --> 08:27.880 said, good day. Should do a show or two that reviews the grifters and liars that you've 08:27.880 --> 08:32.600 interviewed over the years. Yeah, I know. I know, right? It would be a long show. 08:33.700 --> 08:37.680 It would be so long in some ways. It's good. My channel got taken down because a lot of that 08:37.680 --> 08:43.060 stuff just disappeared. But yeah, yeah, I think there's someone that can hold a conversation 08:43.060 --> 08:49.140 with appropriate tact. Yeah, I gotta sort of sit on the fence with that one, because 08:49.780 --> 08:55.660 for the most part, I just don't want to be a predator on people. I just want my people to 08:55.660 --> 09:00.980 know that's why I did the archetypes of controlled ops so that I could have people learn the 09:00.980 --> 09:06.340 patterns for themselves and not have me in the background just calling people out. And, 09:06.440 --> 09:12.340 you know, I go a lot by intuition. And then I take in some data from here and from there 09:12.340 --> 09:19.600 and so, yeah, that's, but I love it when we find the truth. It's just, it's a wow. 09:20.440 --> 09:24.640 So December is going to be a good month. It really will be. Yeah, I'm super excited. 09:25.620 --> 09:30.440 All right. So if you are not in the chat on one of the platforms, Facebook, YouTube, 09:30.700 --> 09:35.880 X, Rumble or even vigilante TV, although they don't, the last one doesn't have a chat, 09:36.060 --> 09:40.460 please do come in and join us for this discussion. First of all, put up your hand 09:40.460 --> 09:45.960 if you've never been in any cults your whole entire life. Anyone? 09:48.440 --> 09:57.960 Now the word cult is a problem in and of itself because it begs defining what does a cult actually 09:57.960 --> 10:07.120 mean. And so I'm talking today with about a massive range of the definition. We're going to go 10:07.120 --> 10:12.840 broad today. And then I believe I'm going to public school. I said, yeah, just public school. 10:12.980 --> 10:20.100 Exactly. Yeah, the education cult. So, so you can see how expansive I'm going to add that to my 10:20.100 --> 10:26.860 list here. You can see how expansive the topic is and it'll get unruly. But so I'm going to 10:26.860 --> 10:31.020 introduce it today. If I can find some guests, that's another thing I was going to ask you 10:31.020 --> 10:37.100 guys about. Who should I interview about cults? Is there anybody that you've come across that 10:37.100 --> 10:43.500 you feel is credible, that has done a deep dive into the nature of cults and maybe some specific 10:43.500 --> 10:51.780 ones as well? I would talk to people who were in cults like Scientology or whatever it was. 10:52.760 --> 10:56.640 And I'm going to rely on you guys to throw them out because I don't, I don't research 10:56.640 --> 11:02.480 cults. I've just been in them. And that's how I tend to research inside myself. So I am 11:02.480 --> 11:06.960 interested in interviewing someone. If you have any suggestions, please do bring them along. 11:07.060 --> 11:10.640 It's interesting how when I combed through my mind of all the people that I know, 11:10.740 --> 11:15.940 you think I would come up with a good handful of them. Derek Bros and Michael Tasarian have been 11:15.940 --> 11:21.540 suggested so far. Michael, God bless him. I love him, but I can't reach him. He, 11:22.080 --> 11:28.320 I don't think he wants to be interviewed by me. I've asked a few times. And so if there are 11:28.320 --> 11:40.860 others, then please do let me know. So you might have heard me say that I am a survivor. It's, 11:40.900 --> 11:46.400 it's that that would be a like kind of a dramatic way to put it. Some people are survivors of a 11:46.400 --> 11:52.700 cult that I was part of in India with a white bearded guru on a mountain. Exactly like the 11:52.700 --> 12:01.920 cliche goes. And I first was part of a softer cult that was led by one of his, now I'll say this, 12:02.000 --> 12:07.880 a little bit tongue in cheek recruiters. So everyone in that cult ended up being a recruiter, 12:07.880 --> 12:13.440 including myself to some degree or another, although I led a double life, right? I had a 12:13.440 --> 12:19.380 professional life in the real world, in business and all of that kind of thing. And I was 12:19.380 --> 12:25.140 literally trying to hide my spiritual side. So I wasn't really going out to tell people, 12:25.300 --> 12:31.760 oh, come to the mountain with this white bearded guru guy. Oh, Clint Richardson, that's a really 12:31.760 --> 12:36.820 good idea. I haven't, I haven't connected to him with him for, I bet it's more than a year 12:36.820 --> 12:42.620 already. So good idea. Yeah, I can have a decent chat with with Clint. Thank you for that. 12:43.860 --> 12:53.500 And so it was, what was my first year? I graduated university as I was looking for a 12:54.140 --> 13:00.160 graduating credit, I came across a religions of India course. And I literally had no interest. 13:00.560 --> 13:06.260 I'm just like, I'm, you know, probably never go to India. I'll just take this credit. It'll, 13:06.340 --> 13:11.320 it'll probably be interesting religions of India. And it turned into the prerequisite 13:11.320 --> 13:16.840 for a credit course, which I did need an extra half a credit to graduate my degree 13:17.420 --> 13:23.460 in meditation. And you needed the religious of India in order to take the meditation course that 13:23.460 --> 13:28.740 was experimental. I think I took the only version of it. There might have been more, but I don't 13:28.740 --> 13:35.300 think so. And so I got into that course and I learned to, to meditate. And I met this 13:35.300 --> 13:41.420 recruiter, so to speak, but he's a friend. He's, I don't somehow doubt he's going to hear this, 13:41.480 --> 13:47.380 but he's, he's been a friend for many years. And nonetheless, there was, you know, his students 13:47.380 --> 13:54.840 propagated this guy and they would have their homes would be covered in his picture and they'd 13:54.840 --> 14:00.360 often have a shrine to him, which is very common in India. Well, I didn't think I was 14:00.360 --> 14:07.800 going to go to India. I ended up going eight times, right? So I went overseas to visit the guru. 14:08.400 --> 14:14.720 I got lost along the way. I ended up in a cultural exchange program in Nepal. And then I 14:14.720 --> 14:21.840 traveled down to India and I kept getting lost there because of the beach and the fun of 14:21.840 --> 14:27.700 traveling along the coast and meeting a lot of international people. And oh man, 14:27.700 --> 14:31.740 did I eat my way through that country? If it was supposedly going to be a spiritual journey, 14:31.980 --> 14:37.220 it was mostly eating and getting sick. Actually, yeah, because I got all, I don't know, 14:37.260 --> 14:43.340 I got about a hundred jabs before I actually left on my trip and I was a mess before I left. 14:43.960 --> 14:49.380 And then I, you know, how I interpreted it then is that I got every little water or airborne 14:49.380 --> 14:54.900 bug that came my way because my immune system was crushed. So that I know that not to be 14:54.900 --> 15:01.420 true from the germ theory side anymore, but nonetheless. I did heal from the first round 15:01.420 --> 15:06.260 of all that. I'll go off on a tiny little tangent here by eating nothing but organic food. 15:07.280 --> 15:12.280 And it's so interesting because one of my son's friends decided, came to those conclusions 15:12.280 --> 15:17.620 himself, started eating nothing but organic food. So that's kind of fun to watch younger 15:17.620 --> 15:22.980 generations tune in with that. And it really did work. But in 10 years, I had cancer. So 15:22.980 --> 15:30.160 there was, you know, it started off a very bad string of events, let's say that I'm still recovering 15:30.160 --> 15:36.600 from by far. Hello, Mary. Nice to see you. Great to have you here. I think we're going to be 15:36.600 --> 15:41.860 talking pretty soon from what my schedule tells me if you're the right Mary Benion. So I look 15:41.860 --> 15:49.720 forward to that. And so, yeah, there's there's the guru grift, right? So this is when people 15:50.380 --> 15:58.400 get on their seat. Actually, seat was a very common word in that context that the seat of 15:58.400 --> 16:07.620 knowledge that you're coming to sit beside the guru and to absorb the guru nests and the space 16:07.620 --> 16:16.580 and meditate from this high lofty place as you set your sights for enlightenment, right? 16:16.580 --> 16:21.600 So this was the plot. And it all sounded good. It's like, yeah, get me some enlightenment. I want 16:21.600 --> 16:27.280 that stuff. Yes, Mary, aka Diane. Oh, that's it. That's it. Okay, thank you. Appreciate that. 16:29.460 --> 16:39.020 And so within the context of that, that meeting, which I want to say, I, you know, 16:39.040 --> 16:44.280 I can't just run around. It's almost always like this. I can't just say, oh, this guru 16:44.840 --> 16:51.900 bad, even though he did some bad shit, he really, he really did some bad shit. But I made good on it. 16:52.620 --> 16:58.680 I luckily was not personally victimized at all. Maybe just the money thing. I did pay some dough 16:59.240 --> 17:04.700 eight times to that organization. That's like really little. You won't, you won't probably 17:04.700 --> 17:17.540 find it at all. And so, you know, being close to that guy, you really did have a unique experience. 17:18.580 --> 17:25.180 It was, it was like it got you high. And I used to think that was so great when you got high. 17:26.640 --> 17:30.640 And I don't hate it, but I see through it now. I see through it more that, okay, 17:30.640 --> 17:36.520 something makes you high. It's a state of consciousness. It's, you know, like sleep and 17:36.520 --> 17:44.140 dream and waking. And we recognize the difference between the high and the low feelings of, you 17:44.140 --> 17:49.160 know, or the experience, the state of mind that we're in. And you definitely got high around this 17:49.160 --> 17:54.580 guy just by sitting close to him, whether you talk to him or not, or, you know, whether you 17:54.580 --> 18:02.100 got any deep knowledge or not, whether he answered your question or not, there was a highness to it. 18:02.620 --> 18:11.320 And when we get high, especially when we've been low, there is the propensity or the, the tendency 18:11.700 --> 18:21.400 to get attached to that highness. And then to further attach to the person who appears to 18:21.400 --> 18:28.600 be giving you that highness. So it took me a lot of years to recognize this because it was, I did think 18:28.600 --> 18:34.880 being high was the goal. It seemed good. It seemed right. You know, I still, I still love high energy. 18:35.040 --> 18:42.980 Who can't love high energy, but it is a trap. And I know very well now. So I'll probably talk 18:42.980 --> 18:50.020 more about that in a bit. Kind of all over the map. I didn't make a huge lot of order to 18:50.020 --> 18:55.780 my notes today. So forgive me if there, I'm a little bit all over the map. But, you know, in, in 18:55.780 --> 19:02.680 the end, we did discover that this guru was for sure grifting, right? So he charged, he didn't 19:02.680 --> 19:06.780 personally charge, but he had his people come and charge you, I think it was, I don't know, 19:07.040 --> 19:15.780 $300 a month or something like that. Not like really intense, but enough. And that was, that 19:15.780 --> 19:24.040 was a lot back in those days. And, and then it turned out that he was also a sexual abuser and a 19:24.040 --> 19:31.520 pedophile. Right. So we always would pride ourselves that we have the good guru. Everybody else has 19:31.520 --> 19:36.900 a bad Swami, but we have a good Swami. He's the, he's the good one. We're the lucky ones. 19:36.900 --> 19:43.820 We're the golden children of the good Swami. And, and, and it started coming out. In fact, 19:43.820 --> 19:53.600 it landed on the Canadian Globe and Mail Saturday edition, Life Section, a big story expose on 19:53.600 --> 19:58.260 this guru that you might be able to find. I didn't, I haven't tried to find it. It was, 19:58.260 --> 20:03.600 it was pre-internet days, but those things can make it on the internet anyway. 20:05.280 --> 20:10.580 And so when this story came out and enough people had come forward at that point, some brave 20:10.580 --> 20:16.400 women that had been part of the whole sexual abuse thing started putting their hand up in a little 20:16.400 --> 20:22.160 bit of a Me Too way, but not in a, you know, Me Too became a very weaponized kind of cult 20:22.160 --> 20:29.440 unto itself where a lot of men got harmed. And a lot of women, you know, just looking for, 20:29.580 --> 20:37.620 for revenge against men in general, use that kind of thing. So this, this was, 20:37.620 --> 20:41.880 this was different than, than getting really brave to come and say like, Hey, 20:42.040 --> 20:48.320 I've had some bad experiences. And what happens in a cult when people start to come forward? 20:48.580 --> 20:57.560 Do you guys know? When they start to say, this wasn't okay. My hands up. I am risking everything. 20:57.840 --> 21:04.940 This happens in our society. I mean, it's a classic thing that if somebody gets raped, 21:04.940 --> 21:14.220 then they go under the magnifying glass and they, you know, it's very, very hard to turn around and 21:14.220 --> 21:19.860 press charges because you know what you're going to go through in the process as if the experience 21:19.860 --> 21:25.840 itself wasn't bad enough. But then you guys know how it goes, right? This is, this is just, 21:25.980 --> 21:32.500 it's, it's a kind of a gory situation where the law often is more appearing to protect the 21:32.500 --> 21:36.880 predators than it is the, the victims, so to speak, but the victims also very much abuse the 21:36.880 --> 21:43.920 system. So in a way it can be, it can be fair. Hello, Eliza. Nice to see you. The rest of the 21:43.920 --> 21:50.240 cult members sacrifice the whistleblower. Exactly. Exactly. And the reason for that 21:50.240 --> 21:55.420 is because why? What would you have to do if you listen to the whistleblower? 21:56.320 --> 22:03.800 What would you need to do, say, as one of the cult members? You might have to empathize with them. 22:04.120 --> 22:13.200 You might have to feel their pain, which is empathy. You might have to face your cognitive 22:13.200 --> 22:22.300 dissonance that you thought this guy was the perfect guy and he's your savior or he has all 22:22.300 --> 22:29.760 the answers or you feel good around him. That alone, right? Just the good feeling. We lust for 22:29.760 --> 22:38.000 that because there's so many bad feelings that we have. And so yes, that's exactly what happened. 22:38.340 --> 22:46.100 The cult members turned around and exactly sacrificed, attacked, called out these whistle 22:46.100 --> 22:53.520 blowers, said, oh, they're not evolved. They don't have enough enlightenment yet. 22:54.460 --> 23:01.120 Even on the other side, they started making reasons and excuses. This might have come from the 23:01.120 --> 23:08.900 Swami Himself and it might just have been an invention of His people that they said, 23:08.900 --> 23:17.240 oh, these victims, they needed that abuse. They needed to go through a terrible experience or 23:17.240 --> 23:24.200 repeated terrible experiences because that's often how these things take place over years, over time. 23:25.100 --> 23:30.540 And they needed that for their spiritual evolution. They needed that in order to grow. 23:31.160 --> 23:37.380 And this is one of the biggest abuses of all. I do consider spiritual abuse to be 23:38.000 --> 23:44.500 the highest level of abuse that there is. Physical is bad, emotional is bad, but spiritual, 23:44.920 --> 23:51.000 I think this can leave scars that will last potentially lifetimes. What do you guys think? 23:55.240 --> 23:59.300 So yeah, they attacked and they took down the whistle blowers. But 24:00.280 --> 24:08.420 for those of us that had, say, less investment, I was going there every year. I considered myself a 24:08.420 --> 24:16.580 disciple of Swami Shyam, was his name. But I was more of an outsider. I would come and go. 24:17.260 --> 24:23.880 I didn't live there full-time. I wasn't special to the Guru, meaning he had me doing special 24:23.880 --> 24:32.700 work for him called slave labor. I hadn't been singled out like I was special. There were a 24:32.700 --> 24:39.580 lot of special people. They had particular roles. And people would clamor for that, to be a slave 24:39.580 --> 24:46.740 to the Guru, that that was somehow huge advantage to them. So I was kind of lucky. And I even 24:46.740 --> 24:53.200 tried to be one of those women that would go to see him every night. I did not know what 24:53.200 --> 24:59.400 was happening. I just thought, oh, something special is going on. I'm special. I want to be part of the 24:59.400 --> 25:04.600 special thing. Well, honestly, the divine was really looking after me in that case. 25:06.140 --> 25:12.440 And yes, spiritual abuse, exactly. So yeah, this has happened many times in my life where I 25:12.440 --> 25:17.740 wanted something or I wanted someone or wanted to be part of a situation. And 25:18.420 --> 25:24.240 one of the names for God in Sanskrit, or the divine, I don't know, God is problematic, 25:25.140 --> 25:31.900 translates into the permitted. It would take me a few minutes off hand to find that word. I don't 25:31.900 --> 25:39.000 think I have it right in front of me. Close, but not close enough. But nonetheless, this is a 25:39.000 --> 25:44.760 beautiful aspect of God that certain things are allowed to come into fruition. You have a 25:44.760 --> 25:55.260 desire. You maybe let the desire go so that you could actually have the thing. But if the 25:55.260 --> 25:59.560 divine is going, it's a no, actually. It's just a no that's not going to happen. I don't care 25:59.560 --> 26:04.840 how much you work for that, how much you want that, how much you release and deprogram around that 26:04.840 --> 26:09.280 to speak my own language. It's just a no. It's not going to happen. And this was one of 26:09.280 --> 26:17.220 those situations. I was spared. I was spared, I tell you, it was like a miracle, even though in 26:17.220 --> 26:23.120 those days it was like, oh, no, you know, I want to belong with all of these women that, you know, 26:23.140 --> 26:28.760 I didn't know what was going on behind the scenes. I'm wondering if I was not allowed in there 26:28.760 --> 26:38.140 because I had already done some sort of rebel acts against the recruiter that I dealt with 26:38.140 --> 26:46.000 that was my first contact for this cult. And he also was in the range. Now I really hope he doesn't 26:46.000 --> 26:52.640 see this. I don't think he will. But he was also, you know, something of a of an abuser. He had 26:52.640 --> 26:58.320 a lot of different girlfriends at the same time. And he never told anybody that he had a bunch of 26:58.320 --> 27:05.320 them. And, you know, they consider themselves to be like Krishna. And, and then their gopis, 27:05.320 --> 27:14.280 which are the goat herders, or the cow herders, which are often women, I guess. Anyway, they 27:14.280 --> 27:20.780 called us gopis. Like we were the group of gopis chasing, the mythology says how they would, 27:20.920 --> 27:26.220 you know, run after Krishna and want to be with Krishna. And it does point back to something 27:26.220 --> 27:31.420 really interesting and valid. And it's that sacred love affair between the masculine and the 27:31.420 --> 27:38.060 feminine. And there is something real that real in that. But what they did in this cultural context 27:38.060 --> 27:45.060 was to use it as a way to abuse people to take power over them. You know, usually, usually 27:45.060 --> 27:51.560 women, I don't know if men ended up in that situation with a guru, it's possible, but probably 27:51.560 --> 27:59.320 not quite like that. And so I had called them out, I was, I was willing to be the 27:59.320 --> 28:07.200 whistleblower, I was willing to get some of that abuse myself. And I did. And, you know, I was 28:07.200 --> 28:13.260 challenged. And I was sort of, I was sort of shut up. And I, I let it go for the time. 28:14.620 --> 28:21.500 But maybe that's why I wasn't welcome into the guru's inner most circle, because I was allowed 28:21.500 --> 28:28.800 mouth and to this day still maintain that kind of position to a degree or another. I feel 28:28.800 --> 28:35.180 like I'm much smarter about it now. And try to go at it really purposefully. Like what is the 28:35.180 --> 28:40.360 purpose for me? What is the purpose for them? What is the purpose for other people? Is there, 28:40.460 --> 28:46.820 is there, is there enough of one? Is the squeezing of that lemon worth the juice? 28:48.280 --> 29:05.200 Or not. And so, yeah, it's often the lure of a guru could be with things that make sense and are half 29:05.200 --> 29:11.440 true. And, you know, if, if, if he was just perfectly forthcoming, and he said, 29:12.340 --> 29:18.300 yeah, I'm just in it for the money and the sex, then that would have been new information. Then I 29:18.300 --> 29:22.740 would have taken that in and went, like, is this my beautiful guru? Do I need to travel to India 29:22.740 --> 29:29.840 at great hardship and expense every single year to be with a guy whose priorities are 29:29.840 --> 29:35.800 getting the grift and the girls? No. Right. So they have to keep those things kind of under 29:35.800 --> 29:44.920 wrap. They have to blur. This is what Satanists do. So I ended up staying up last night watching 29:44.920 --> 29:49.580 something that someone shared on the House of Freewell Telegram chat, which has been super active 29:49.580 --> 29:54.700 right now. And they, they shared a movie about the Illuminati. And I have to admit, 29:54.840 --> 30:00.080 when I first saw the video, I'm like, okay, yeah, like we've all, we've all learned 30:00.080 --> 30:05.900 about the Illuminati by now. We all have a sense of that, you know, about free masonry, you know, 30:05.980 --> 30:12.480 the symbols, you know, how they invert things. But I decided just out of out of courtesy, 30:12.480 --> 30:17.860 because it's one of my members sharing it, I decided to watch it anyway. Well, it turned into a 30:17.860 --> 30:22.420 really good one. And it wasn't a whole lot of stuff that I didn't know, but it was really 30:22.420 --> 30:27.720 well put together. I could probably find the link. If anybody's interested, you can hit me up 30:28.520 --> 30:35.320 on the King Hero chat on Telegram. If you guys are there, I can grab all those links. Let me see. 30:36.900 --> 30:42.820 You have to be a member to join the House of Freewell one, but you can always find me on Telegram. 30:43.260 --> 30:50.500 I'll just share a link to the direct chat. This is where I spend a lot of my time 30:50.500 --> 30:57.600 out of convenience. It's just a nice thread to be able to follow, have good conversations. 31:00.000 --> 31:03.940 And nobody takes my posts down, although they do take my emojis down, 31:03.960 --> 31:09.040 just so you know, if you're on there and you've made comments, and you think I'm ignoring you, 31:09.160 --> 31:15.520 I'm not. Darn it. Yeah, I can turn around. I'll just, you know, give a love or a like 31:15.520 --> 31:20.460 or whatever, and I'll go back and they're all gone. They're like, ah, looks like I'm not there. 31:20.800 --> 31:28.920 So don't think that. And you're welcome. You need to learn about them guys. Yeah, yeah. 31:29.620 --> 31:35.300 So then where was I headed with that point when I interrupted myself? But yeah, the luring with 31:35.300 --> 31:42.920 half truths, making sense to good people. And this is the thing that I notice, 31:42.920 --> 31:51.000 makes me right away think of Scientology, how good people are attracted. And they have to speak 31:51.680 --> 31:58.600 some truth, or they have to speak a lot of truth. They have to speak at least 80%, 90%, 31:58.600 --> 32:07.080 95% truth. I might sneeze. Excuse me. Try not to do that right in the mic. 32:10.860 --> 32:16.300 And if they don't have that truth, and it's the same in our truth and freedom spaces. 32:17.160 --> 32:23.060 This is something I'm going to have to really reflect on, do we start taking apart the truth 32:23.060 --> 32:31.220 cults? It would be good, but it's dicey. I, you know, again, don't want to be a predator 32:31.220 --> 32:35.260 in this way. Hello and welcome, Maya. Great to have you here. 32:36.640 --> 32:41.740 So yeah, they need, they need not only the half truths, they need more than half truths and they 32:41.740 --> 32:52.260 need to make sense to people who are basically good people. So that's always the way that meant 32:52.260 --> 32:57.540 that my white bearded guru, he had a ton of good things to say. I'm now going back. 32:58.100 --> 33:04.860 There's some kind of retrograde. I'm heading for a Saturn return in 2027, and I'm gearing up for it. 33:04.860 --> 33:09.260 So I've gone back to things like the Bhagavad Gita. This is actually his translation. 33:10.300 --> 33:18.660 And I learned enough Sanskrit so I can read the sounds properly. And I did a lot of music 33:18.660 --> 33:23.040 writing. I've got four CDs of mantras and verses and that kind of thing. You can find them on 33:23.760 --> 33:33.320 major platforms like iTunes and Spotify. And I've been able to make use of that kind of, you know, 33:33.360 --> 33:40.040 my work has always been building on itself, leaving some things out, taking some new things on, 33:40.160 --> 33:46.320 but it really is just an expansion. And it's all about knowing who you are, right, that is 33:46.880 --> 33:55.160 beyond our body, beyond our thinking mind, beyond our senses and what we can grasp from there, 33:55.520 --> 34:01.140 and beyond language, what we can say with our words and why you would turn to Sanskrit 34:01.720 --> 34:09.440 to be able to express things that are harder to do with our maybe more colloquial languages, 34:10.540 --> 34:14.440 which it's not perfect anyway. Oh yeah, I was, 34:19.180 --> 34:25.420 okay, gonna try to stay focused here. So I was talking to you about the movie on the Illuminati, 34:25.540 --> 34:29.720 which is really good. So hit me up for that link. It is a good one. It's time well spent. 34:29.960 --> 34:36.960 I took tons of notes that are across the room, of course. And so what I picked up from this 34:36.960 --> 34:41.980 was really interesting because this last year, I did a talk on the marriage of the opposites. 34:42.560 --> 34:48.380 And every time I'm asked to do a talk, I do a little PhD on the subject. I spent a lot of time 34:48.380 --> 34:56.320 and a lot of energy and I just poured my heart and my soul into this thinking it through and in 34:56.320 --> 35:01.740 some ways reinventing the wheel because I know, I think my discoveries are not necessarily new, 35:01.740 --> 35:09.940 but I am coming at it from my angle, which is new and fresh. Hello Jackie K, nice to see you. 35:10.740 --> 35:21.400 And so a lot of the subject of this video was about the opposites, about how and this is inherent 35:21.400 --> 35:27.380 in our language. We got an up, we got a down, we got a cold, we got a warm or hot. We've got 35:27.380 --> 35:31.820 light, we've got a dark, we've got a good, we've got an evil, we've got a life, we've got a death, 35:31.920 --> 35:40.480 right? And so these are positioned in our mind. I'm going to find, I do have a stage copy of the 35:40.480 --> 35:45.460 recording of that talk, even though I nearly dropped dead for most of Anarcapulco, I came to 35:45.460 --> 35:50.300 in the last day and the stage manager like put me on stage said, do your talk. It's like, 35:50.320 --> 35:55.540 okay, I came all this way to do it. So I did. And it was really satisfying. The most 35:55.540 --> 36:00.240 satisfying of all was doing a demonstration at the end of the talk with some participants 36:00.900 --> 36:06.300 who it totally worked on, even though they had never had any time with this work whatsoever. 36:06.780 --> 36:11.360 It's so beautiful when it just works and you don't need to believe anything or have any 36:11.360 --> 36:18.160 big body of information for it to work. It's very practical. And so what I learned 36:18.160 --> 36:25.760 from this video was that the, the Satanic version of that, or that it was saying it's 36:25.760 --> 36:30.820 the Gnostic version of that. And I've got some good Gnostic friends. So that's Tacey, but you know, 36:32.200 --> 36:38.100 in, in this case, they're talking about opposites. So, so the classic one being good and evil. 36:38.820 --> 36:44.540 And we want our people, especially our gurus to be in one of these two categories, 36:44.540 --> 36:48.700 and you want them to be good and you don't want them to be evil, of course. 36:49.680 --> 36:58.060 Now, in reality, most people are some kind of mix. But what happens in our psyche is that these two 36:58.780 --> 37:05.100 opposing things, so people that saw the good in my guru and then the people that demonized 37:05.100 --> 37:12.020 my guru, these two realities were there right in front of us, demonstrable. 37:13.080 --> 37:19.920 And then so that creates a lot of tension between these opposites in our own psyche, 37:20.120 --> 37:23.960 of course. That's where the tension is. It's the only place tension really shows up. 37:25.000 --> 37:32.140 And so that, that opposition, it, what it does is it gets you on the pendulum swing 37:32.140 --> 37:38.080 between good, is he good? And is he evil? Is he good? Is he evil? Is he good? Is he evil? 37:38.080 --> 37:44.600 And it's, and it's demanding that you land in one of these positions so that you could 37:45.120 --> 37:53.040 relieve the tension. But like every map of consciousness, which a pendulum is, 37:53.850 --> 38:00.560 the purpose of that map is to teach you that you need to get off the map. You need to be free 38:00.560 --> 38:06.660 or you need to know that you're free because as long as you're on the pendulum or you've 38:06.660 --> 38:12.340 glommed onto one end of the pendulum, which you have to do and hang on by your fingernails 38:12.340 --> 38:18.320 and ignore any other evidence that would come your way that might sway you to the other side 38:18.320 --> 38:26.480 of the pendulum, it's very painful. Say I had been a victim of this guru and I would have that 38:26.480 --> 38:34.340 wound and that pain to the degree that I do, then that would torture me because any good 38:34.340 --> 38:40.860 that I got out of that experience would fly in the face of my ability to, to make him evil. 38:42.840 --> 38:51.260 And so without needing to qualify that this, this is something if you look in all of our movies, 38:51.440 --> 38:56.900 all of the literature, you know, it's actually become so boring for me this fight between 38:56.900 --> 39:04.100 good and evil. Our, now I've been tasked not to say this anymore, controllers 39:04.980 --> 39:10.260 or the controllers or those that see themselves to be the controllers that are not the real 39:10.260 --> 39:18.840 controllers, but that do lord over us in a lot of ways. They are very invested in us being on 39:18.840 --> 39:25.260 the map in one way or another, whether it's the pendulum of opposites or the scale of emotion 39:25.260 --> 39:32.380 where we go up and we go down and we're all around or on the map of archetypes and the patterns that 39:32.380 --> 39:42.860 people end up locked in. And so what I noticed is that that pitting of those two against each other, 39:43.100 --> 39:48.140 here's, here's what the Satanists did with it or the, the Gnostics is, is their marriage of 39:48.140 --> 39:55.440 the opposites is so crap. It's not real. They're talking about merging the opposites. They're 39:55.440 --> 40:00.240 talking about now marrying sounds like that too. Right. So it's, it's pretty easy misunderstanding 40:00.240 --> 40:06.660 in some ways. They're talking about blending and blurring the opposites. So in this example 40:06.660 --> 40:12.920 of good and evil, what do you get when you blend and blur these two qualities? You get a mess. 40:13.780 --> 40:17.020 Right. You don't get clarity. You don't get anything. 40:18.280 --> 40:22.920 Boy, this is so highly nuanced. I probably, I don't know if I'm going to be able to do this justice 40:22.920 --> 40:29.860 might deserve its own, its own thing, but many of the opposites are not true. For example, 40:29.960 --> 40:35.800 light and dark. There's no such thing as dark. There's no entity. You can't take a dark particle 40:35.800 --> 40:43.300 and give me one, but light is real to the degree that it's been agreed upon that, that 40:43.960 --> 40:52.600 light is a thing. And dark is only the privation of light, the absence of light to the degree 40:52.600 --> 40:58.540 that there is an absence of light. And even if you have the pitch blackness, but you strike 40:58.540 --> 41:05.140 one match, it's going to be felt in all of that, in all of that darkness. Right. So the darkness 41:05.140 --> 41:11.240 really isn't there. That means light and dark do not oppose each other because it's not there. 41:12.060 --> 41:19.880 And that is the beauty of doing this actual inner work, not just pushing around furniture on 41:19.880 --> 41:26.180 your Titanic mind to think it through, because otherwise then the Satanist makes sense. 41:27.460 --> 41:34.840 And that's how they have taken, say, the opposites of man and woman or masculine and feminine 41:35.420 --> 41:42.220 and have, you know, married them for the hopes of what ascension? This is satanic. This is, 41:42.260 --> 41:48.800 this is, I've been in this, in this conversation for quite a while around myth busting ascension 41:48.800 --> 41:57.520 spirituality. Right. So then these, when you really investigate the opposites and the tension 41:57.520 --> 42:03.540 in the opposites, you often realize that they have an, either they are an illusion or there's an 42:03.540 --> 42:10.960 aspect of illusion that you have created with your thoughts, your feelings, and the programs 42:10.960 --> 42:17.760 that hold them in place. And I can't just tell you this, it would be hard to believe it is 42:17.760 --> 42:24.460 a direct experience, but that I've had many, many times, not just with myself, but many clients as well. 42:25.860 --> 42:31.960 So when you really investigate, it's not about blending and blurring and taking away 42:32.630 --> 42:38.020 the natural womaness or the natural manness. You don't want that. We want, we actually want 42:39.280 --> 42:45.000 strong polarized men and women. We want men and women who are really women. We want men 42:45.000 --> 42:51.300 who are really men. And guess what? They work perfectly together. There's no 42:52.040 --> 43:00.020 match more amazing than a man and a woman, and they know that. Right. So if they come along and 43:00.020 --> 43:07.820 they try to blend and blur, you don't do this naturally. That's why they need chemical castration 43:07.820 --> 43:14.000 of children. That's why they need costumes. That's why they need makeup. That's why they 43:14.000 --> 43:23.400 need to affect their voice. That's why it requires chemicals in order to alter. That's why they 43:24.060 --> 43:32.320 pumped the beer and alcohol into the system, because that is estrogenic and it feminizes men, 43:32.680 --> 43:39.800 for example. That's how they tamed, was it the Jesuits tamed the monks from being real men? 43:39.800 --> 43:49.780 They got them all soft and fat and took the masculine testosterone dominant man out of the picture. 43:50.740 --> 43:54.720 Hello, Michelle. Nice to see you. Glad you're here. And Emile said, 43:55.200 --> 44:00.240 not the good girl, nor jasmine or cults to consciousness might be ladies to reach out 44:00.240 --> 44:04.900 to. Thank you very much, Emile. I haven't heard of any of those, but those are great 44:04.900 --> 44:12.700 suggestions. I appreciate it. And nice to see you. So yeah, it's fascinating how that got twisted. 44:13.340 --> 44:17.340 And then everyone will come along if you notice this in any kind of spiritual circles, and they 44:17.340 --> 44:22.800 talk about how, well, the good and the bad, they have to coexist. There would be no good 44:22.800 --> 44:28.260 without bad. Or there has to be the light and the dark. You would never know the light if 44:28.260 --> 44:34.260 you didn't know the dark. Or there has to be slavery in order to know freedom. To me, 44:34.720 --> 44:43.020 this is bullshit. This is absolutely wrong. And my only evidence is my direct experience 44:43.020 --> 44:49.280 inside myself that says there is a pure source that we don't need light. We often use our 44:49.280 --> 44:56.720 problems to find solutions, but we don't need problems to find solutions. We might be, 44:56.720 --> 45:04.860 it might be improbable that we find solutions without a problem, but that doesn't mean we need the 45:04.860 --> 45:23.670 problem. All right. One just minute break while I take care of something. Forgive me. And I'm back 45:23.670 --> 45:36.530 and let's see. Anyway, just being playful. Yeah, so that was fascinating. I really enjoyed 45:36.530 --> 45:41.710 seeing that because everything sounds so true when they say that you need one to have the other. 45:42.010 --> 45:48.370 You need pain in order to have the knowledge of pleasure. That's just wrong. It's just wrong. 45:48.530 --> 45:56.330 And it's based on a faulty concept of opposites in our mind that is really just a construct. 45:57.470 --> 46:03.010 Right? So this is the hope that we can see through these things and have the revelation 46:03.630 --> 46:11.750 of the construct and see it's not what it appears to be. It's not what it's been told to be. 46:13.430 --> 46:20.170 And I need to write some hold music. Yeah, exactly. Been watching Sarah Tomato. What a pro on her 46:20.170 --> 46:25.550 stream yard. My goodness. And yeah, she's got all kinds of fun stuff going on. So I will evolve 46:25.550 --> 46:32.930 that as we go along. Thank you, Elisa. And so this is interesting. Oh, I was going to set up a song. 46:33.050 --> 46:40.330 I wonder how fast I could do that. So what I noticed, especially after extricating myself from 46:40.330 --> 46:47.690 the cult, I was actually sick with cancer at the time. And the guru helped me get through some 46:47.690 --> 46:52.310 of that, which was fascinating, right? One of those experiences that could have been easy to 46:52.310 --> 47:02.330 ignore. And so what I noticed is that people want to give their power away. 47:02.850 --> 47:10.370 They don't even want their power. Because why can these guys be predators on the people? 47:10.810 --> 47:18.570 Because people want to be prey. They want that. And this is a pretty harsh analysis for some 47:18.570 --> 47:25.090 people that, you know, that might make no sense to them whatsoever. But so I'm going to do a little 47:25.090 --> 47:36.770 experiment. And I am going to I'm going to share a song on Spotify here and see if I get a strike 47:36.770 --> 47:44.450 for it since it's my own music. So I'm going to have to stop that one and pull up my Spotify. 47:44.450 --> 47:47.730 Is it going to work? I don't know. 47:51.030 --> 47:55.690 Somehow. Oh, it lets me share sound now. Excellent. So I think this will work. 47:56.850 --> 48:03.050 You guys. Brave browser can access, allow, got it. Bear with me. 48:04.970 --> 48:12.190 If I have a guess, that's okay. All right. So here is my song called secrecy. 48:13.770 --> 48:21.410 And I wrote this after getting out of the cult off of my Where There's Beauty album. 48:21.730 --> 48:26.750 So I'll just play it since I don't know how to make it a nice big window, but we'll just play it. 48:30.530 --> 48:32.590 Let me know if you guys can hear that, please. 48:47.730 --> 48:56.150 No one knows what they're seeing to politicians, physicians, 48:57.070 --> 49:04.770 creatures and goddesses we give a power away. 49:47.820 --> 49:49.220 So 49:49.220 --> 50:03.140 we on our contracts on our own freedom we give a power away. 50:49.110 --> 50:50.150 And 50:51.650 --> 51:45.320 and if they knew what you knew what you do behind doors might not and this is in your mind. 52:27.180 --> 52:32.260 And there you have it secrecy. So that's a little experiment. I haven't been able to play my music 52:32.920 --> 52:41.740 on this channel, but that oops one second Spotify just keeps playing. And 52:43.920 --> 52:50.100 yeah, so that that kind of says it all the hook is a good time, right? The hook is a good time. 52:50.220 --> 52:57.380 And the sadness is in your mind. So you get something that you want, right? You get to in my case, 52:57.440 --> 53:06.380 I got to feel high around this swami. I got to feel like I was moving towards enlightenment. 53:06.380 --> 53:09.260 That's my idea of a good time or you know was 53:11.460 --> 53:15.640 you know, so I was hooked. There was this I wanted the thing. 53:15.900 --> 53:22.720 And therefore I was going to give myself over and I was going to trust the guru, 53:22.860 --> 53:27.920 which is a very childlike thing to do where we want to trust the guru or we want to, 53:27.940 --> 53:31.760 you know, and then people that the pendulum swing. Oh, just trust yourself. No, no, 53:31.760 --> 53:37.900 trust the guru. Trust yourself. And there's a pendulum neither are true. That's one of the 53:37.900 --> 53:44.200 soapboxes I like to get on. And and then this it was classic whenever you had a problem in that 53:44.200 --> 53:52.120 cult, they would say it's in your mind like this. And there is some truth to it being in your 53:52.120 --> 53:57.840 mind. There is some truth to that because there's a component that will be your thoughts. It 53:57.840 --> 54:03.780 will be, if you consider that to be your mind, your emotions, it will be your programming. It's true 54:03.780 --> 54:11.700 that all of that will interact with it. But it ends up used as a way to justify the injury that's 54:11.700 --> 54:19.080 being caused. Very, very, very common where they try to spiritualize and then and then 54:19.080 --> 54:24.460 spirituality becomes a weapon. Because yes, there is something in your mind, but there's 54:24.460 --> 54:34.480 also something real going on and something real and wrong. So yeah, yeah, that's a good one too. 54:35.100 --> 54:39.320 That one just sums it up for me with I always want to turn to that song. I don't know if I can grab 54:39.320 --> 54:46.620 a link for you guys. Let me see if there's a quick share would be the simplest thing to have a 54:46.620 --> 54:55.760 share, download everything, share, here I'll share. This is a Spotify link to the entire album. And I 54:56.660 --> 55:00.520 recorded this after my India days were done and I was just 55:02.660 --> 55:10.020 fresh out of my, is it remission for the first time or the second time? No, it was the second 55:10.020 --> 55:14.840 time because I had to get that stuff out of me. I thought it might die with it in me and then 55:14.840 --> 55:22.040 that would be a bad thing. So yeah, the war between good and evil. This is fake and gay. It's not 55:22.040 --> 55:28.820 really what we're doing here. It just keeps us on the pendulum of being afraid of the evil and trying 55:28.820 --> 55:36.480 to get to good and these need to be unpacked and to see the truth of the reality behind it 55:36.480 --> 55:42.420 that when you actually truly marry those opposites, they discharge the meaning on the polls. 55:42.420 --> 55:51.880 So I'll leave it at that for now. All right, so now why do cults have any power over us? I can boil 55:51.880 --> 55:58.660 this down into four primary reasons. And this will be true of any cults, like for example people in 55:59.220 --> 56:04.100 that get into the Hollywood cult and they go on that trajectory of like, oh, I'm going to be famous 56:04.100 --> 56:09.560 and a star and everybody's going to, and this is the important part here, everyone is going to 56:09.560 --> 56:16.320 love me. This is the promise of one of what I call the root programs. It says, 56:16.640 --> 56:24.700 if you want love and approval from people, you are or yourself or anyone, you have to want that. 56:25.000 --> 56:34.780 You have to first believe the lie of that, the lie of lack of that and then be driven 56:34.780 --> 56:42.700 to get the love and approval of people at all cost. So every cult depends on this programming. 56:43.440 --> 56:54.700 You must want their love and approval in order to be part of the group, to be included, to be, 56:54.760 --> 57:01.300 you know, a valued member of the cult, to not get kicked out and extricated from the cult. 57:01.300 --> 57:06.440 You must get their love and approval. How do you get their love and approval by doing all the things 57:07.020 --> 57:14.800 that they like, that they prescribe, right? So there are so many situations where people 57:15.360 --> 57:21.780 are in the midst of those, you know, churches are very common cults for this reason, where you've 57:21.780 --> 57:29.160 got the abuser or the abuse going on in the back end, you know, maybe it's the priest, maybe 57:29.160 --> 57:35.160 it's somebody in the congregation and they're abusing somebody else, maybe a child, 57:36.380 --> 57:42.620 and then you get the whistleblower, but the whole congregation turns on the whistleblower as we've 57:42.620 --> 57:49.200 already been talking about. Why do they turn on the whistleblower? Why? Because they want love 57:49.200 --> 57:56.860 and approval and they are driven by this hunger that is absolutely insatiable. You cannot 57:56.860 --> 58:07.440 fulfill a program. The more you fill a program, the hungrier the program becomes. I want to stipulate 58:07.440 --> 58:12.100 that this is not an outside entity, I'm not talking about a being, I'm just talking about how you've 58:12.100 --> 58:19.100 organized energy in a kind of architectural way in your system composed of thoughts, feelings, 58:19.380 --> 58:25.720 and then these underlying programs. And so that's how they hook people. If you want love 58:25.720 --> 58:32.740 and approval, you're going to do whatever they say. And it often has an incrementally ramping up 58:32.740 --> 58:37.900 kind of thing, where you'll do this thing for love and approval, and you might even internally 58:37.900 --> 58:42.940 decide, I'm not going to do more than that for love and approval, but then they raise the 58:42.940 --> 58:47.300 stakes and then you have to do more for that love and approval and you start digging yourself 58:47.300 --> 58:54.820 in to this place. A lot of different ways, right? When people express their disapproval 58:54.820 --> 59:01.080 of you, they are withholding their love and approval and that's another way to activate. No 59:01.080 --> 59:06.340 one can give you that program, they can suggest you run that program. We have to internally agree, 59:06.520 --> 59:13.540 we have to tacitly agree to the program and we do it ourselves. We're not really, 59:14.440 --> 59:19.020 we can't be programmed by anyone else. This is my paradigm that I come by. 59:19.560 --> 59:22.660 We have to make an unconscious choice. So that's a really big one. When you want 59:22.660 --> 59:30.420 love and approval, it makes you at the mercy of cults. So this is something to be really aware of 59:30.420 --> 59:35.100 and it's something I teach a lot about. I was going to let you guys know I actually have a new 59:35.100 --> 59:40.220 course, a newly revamped course called Deep Programming 101, where I go really deep into 59:40.220 --> 59:46.660 these. And I do actually have a sign up link for anybody who's interested since I mentioned 59:46.660 --> 59:54.160 it last time. And I heard from a few of you guys, so there is a link to that. And so the 59:54.160 --> 01:00:00.480 second reason that people are really super vulnerable to cults is another program called 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:06.360 Wanting Control. This by the way is from the work of Lester Levinson, if you're trying to 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:13.520 trace this at all. And that program says that you don't have control, therefore you need to 01:00:13.520 --> 01:00:22.240 want it, you lack it, you need to fear not having it. And so a lot of people will get into 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:31.640 a cult, a group, where there's a kind of group think, where there's a certain predictability 01:00:31.640 --> 01:00:39.900 going on, where there's a code of being, because it has this illusion of control that it's going 01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:46.360 to somehow give you control over your life. If you were to go against a cult, you would probably 01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:52.200 experience being out of control, you would probably get that kind of feedback, again, 01:00:52.320 --> 01:01:00.140 maybe disapproval, the chaos that can interrupt. But what is even more poignant about this program 01:01:00.140 --> 01:01:07.080 and cults in particular is what one of the iterations of this program is the desire to 01:01:07.080 --> 01:01:14.220 be controlled. That's like a real kicker when you find that inside yourself. 01:01:14.820 --> 01:01:20.220 There's not a rebel out there that's going to admit to wanting to be controlled. That would 01:01:20.220 --> 01:01:26.860 be stupid, that would be antithetical, that would be the opposite of what we're trying for 01:01:26.860 --> 01:01:33.620 here in the Truth Movement especially, is wanting to be controlled. Now you may be able to 01:01:33.620 --> 01:01:41.160 withstand wanting to be controlled by the government or the police or authorities or the legal system 01:01:41.160 --> 01:01:48.060 or that kind of thing, but then you find the cult and then you want the cult to do your thinking 01:01:48.060 --> 01:01:55.700 for you, you want them to take responsibility for what's going on and that desire to be 01:01:55.700 --> 01:02:02.560 controlled is very easily taken advantage of and manipulated. That's one to watch out for 01:02:03.150 --> 01:02:08.620 very unconscious, if this just sounds like gobbledygook, it's because it's hidden, hidden away, 01:02:08.740 --> 01:02:15.180 but I promise these are ubiquitous, everybody will see them. The next reason that people end up in 01:02:15.180 --> 01:02:22.720 the cult and loyal to the cult, maintaining themselves and their status in the cult and 01:02:22.720 --> 01:02:28.000 long after they know the cult's not good for them, by the way, is the program that says 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:38.040 you're going to die. The program says you must want survival and safety in order to withstand death. 01:02:38.780 --> 01:02:45.700 Well, it doesn't work, the program is useless, everybody passes, all of the bodies go from 01:02:45.700 --> 01:02:53.580 existing to non-existing, that's this kind of realm that we're in, but the cult will promise 01:02:53.580 --> 01:03:02.660 that you'll be safer in the group. I think a lot of us were very vulnerable in 2020 when we got pushed 01:03:02.660 --> 01:03:09.420 out of our family circles, out of our work circles, out of our friend circles, maybe out of the 01:03:09.420 --> 01:03:15.120 cults that we already belong to that you just couldn't hold your tongue anymore or you couldn't 01:03:15.120 --> 01:03:22.160 take it when everybody's like, which jab did you get? I know this visor and Johnson and 01:03:22.620 --> 01:03:29.280 all this kind of, you just couldn't take it, you probably let yourself not be in that cult, 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:34.760 but you might have been vulnerable to joining some new cults along the way, because they promised 01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:42.620 some kind of safety in the chaos and the lack of control that started that year exponentially. 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:47.680 It wasn't the beginning, it just was a major like ramping up. 01:03:49.340 --> 01:03:54.120 So definitely easy to take advantage of people who are scared to die, that's why they scare the 01:03:54.120 --> 01:04:00.260 hell out of us, but we can end up doing that to each other as well and promising this what we 01:04:00.860 --> 01:04:06.940 can never deliver because why you're not God, you're not the divine who can give and take life. 01:04:08.300 --> 01:04:13.420 And then so the last reason, the fourth reason, the fourth big one is the last of 01:04:13.420 --> 01:04:18.180 what I call these root programs and it's wanting oneness and wanting wholeness. 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:25.400 And this is the thing, my episode on belong is there's some overlap here in this that we desperately 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:34.160 want to belong. That's very much a child kind of a archetypal thing as well. We want oneness, 01:04:34.380 --> 01:04:39.680 we want, we want, you know, it seems like connection, but the connection is taking two 01:04:39.680 --> 01:04:47.980 things and connecting them. Oneness is different, right? True oneness is off of the map of one 01:04:47.980 --> 01:04:56.880 plus one equals connection. That's more math, that's more the satanic side of it, but this oneness 01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:06.680 that we want drives us to be what? The same as other people, right? That's the whole 01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:14.220 ruse of communism right there. They want everybody to be the same. They want you to have like one, 01:05:15.140 --> 01:05:20.940 not many leaders, just one leader and they want you to have one currency, not many currencies. 01:05:21.200 --> 01:05:26.580 They want you to have one way to think, right? It's now become illegal to say all kinds of 01:05:26.580 --> 01:05:33.100 things under hate speech laws. We're in that time. We all know it. That's not news to you 01:05:33.100 --> 01:05:39.780 and this want for oneness. It's such an advantage if you can learn to see and release this because 01:05:40.580 --> 01:05:47.180 when you don't want to be one, you basically realize you have the experience of being that. 01:05:47.740 --> 01:05:54.620 You already are that. That's a punchline of every program. Although there's so much detail 01:05:54.620 --> 01:06:01.040 and nuance. I won't go into that, but it is in my course. And let's see what Emil said here. 01:06:01.980 --> 01:06:08.020 He said, moon webs journey into the mind of a cult by Josh Fried is a great book, Canadian writer. 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:13.820 Oh, interesting. I might be able to track him who that wrote about the moonies. Ah, yes. Yeah. Yeah, 01:06:13.940 --> 01:06:19.920 do name, do name. I totally didn't remember the moonies until you just said that. So that's 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:25.880 great. Another good tip. There are just so many cults. It's it's stupid. And 01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:30.460 and then yeah, that I was seeing how 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:39.580 the that same program tells you to want for wholeness. And we do have an experience inside of 01:06:39.580 --> 01:06:46.880 ourselves of being fractured up. That's what happens through injuries and traumas in at the 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:51.280 level of the psyche where some of the pains that we've been through at certain times of our 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:57.420 life were too strong to go through with an undeveloped nervous system as a child, for example, 01:06:57.520 --> 01:07:05.500 or as an adult, it was just too much that happens, right? I'm still healing the trauma 01:07:05.500 --> 01:07:10.320 of cutting this finger nearly off. I'm still healing it's been it's been a while. I took 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:15.440 another pass at it yesterday. I think I think it's mostly it's mostly good. And it's I even 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:22.420 played guitar the other day for about 12 seconds with this finger. And after 12 seconds is going 01:07:22.420 --> 01:07:27.320 to go gay, okay, okay, okay, that's enough now. But that's a massive breakthrough for me. 01:07:27.940 --> 01:07:36.060 And so this injury of getting fractured is is what tells us to want wholeness, where parts of 01:07:36.060 --> 01:07:41.600 ourself need to be cloistered off, meaning, you know, the energy of the pain or the reaction, 01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:49.200 mostly the programming that you put in place during the injury or as a result of the injury or as you, 01:07:49.220 --> 01:07:52.940 you know, contemplate it or try to suppress the pain of the injury. 01:07:55.680 --> 01:08:02.460 And so it drives us into this into this place. It's what me it's what made me see that the 01:08:02.460 --> 01:08:10.800 wholeness that communists offer is really assimilation, not wholeness at all. And it's 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:17.480 based on that promise of ascension. Because if you can assimilate and assimilate and assimilate and 01:08:17.480 --> 01:08:24.640 assimilate, and reduce down that it has this, this idea that that's where enlightenment is going to 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:31.200 come from, from all of this sameness. But it's really a program. Right. So 01:08:34.180 --> 01:08:39.660 you can let me know if that makes any sense, you guys. So I'm excited about getting a few 01:08:39.660 --> 01:08:49.180 little nuggets that I didn't have before. This is another element of cults is secrecy back to that 01:08:49.180 --> 01:08:56.800 song that I was playing on that exact theme. And this is where privacy gets weaponized. And 01:08:57.200 --> 01:09:06.140 have you ever been sworn to secrecy, not to tell people about certain relationships or 01:09:06.140 --> 01:09:14.680 certain experiences or certain awarenesses? This is a big red flag. If people are asking you to be 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:21.740 secret about your friendship or your anything like that, then there's something wrong going on there. 01:09:22.180 --> 01:09:29.560 That is an abuse that happens to children often. Oh, let you know, even my son, my dad was my 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:35.220 his dad, not my dad would say, Oh, don't tell your mom that we went for ice cream or we went 01:09:35.220 --> 01:09:39.680 for, you know, did something that she wouldn't approve of, which it wouldn't be the end of the 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:45.880 world with ice cream for me. But and then, and then swearing that child to secrecy with the lure 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:53.380 of the ice cream or the thing that they want, that is very abusive. Because then they have to hold 01:09:53.380 --> 01:09:59.400 the knowledge of something inside themselves. It creates a distance. They have to distance 01:09:59.400 --> 01:10:06.600 themselves from that person that they have a secret from that is when when the cult is going to tell you, 01:10:07.440 --> 01:10:12.080 you know, don't don't tell the rest of the people that we all have this kind of like, 01:10:12.140 --> 01:10:16.700 you know, orgy every night or whatever it was going on. I wasn't there. I didn't see it. 01:10:17.120 --> 01:10:27.290 Thank God. And I'm just wondering, why do I even have a memory in my mind of something though? 01:10:28.170 --> 01:10:34.510 Why do I have a memory? My goodness. Okay, that's something all together different, 01:10:34.870 --> 01:10:39.430 might be having a little awakening here. Maybe I was part of observing something 01:10:40.320 --> 01:10:47.430 in that cult. But, you know, the prompt that needing to swear people to secrecy is such a 01:10:47.430 --> 01:10:53.410 heavy intense weight and a burden. And it's exactly how the perpetrators keep doing it 01:10:53.410 --> 01:10:58.610 is because they don't talk to each other. They don't know what's going on. They don't know that 01:10:59.650 --> 01:11:05.870 they're all being abused. Why? Because that would fall apart, right? If everybody 01:11:05.870 --> 01:11:12.790 understood what was going on. If it was done in openness, nobody would condone it. 01:11:13.190 --> 01:11:21.390 That it must go into secrecy. And when you make anything a secret, you're also making it 01:11:21.390 --> 01:11:28.130 unconscious. Whether you're asking somebody to keep a secret for you or you're keeping a secret, 01:11:28.590 --> 01:11:34.750 you actually have to push it down out of your awareness in order to cope. Because if you 01:11:34.750 --> 01:11:39.910 keep having that secret, you keep having that thing top of mind is going to create tension. 01:11:40.130 --> 01:11:46.570 It's going to create the desire to express or the need to express. And so they rely a lot 01:11:47.110 --> 01:11:53.710 on that secrecy in order to get by. Definitely the sign of an abuser. And if anybody has sworn 01:11:53.710 --> 01:12:00.830 you to secrecy on something, then I think you should tell someone right away. Let's ask that. 01:12:01.010 --> 01:12:06.850 Acting like your mama here. Emil said he describes how easily most people become brainwashed by a 01:12:06.850 --> 01:12:12.330 cult only takes a few days no matter how intelligent an individual is. Even if you know a group 01:12:12.330 --> 01:12:18.430 as a cult can still be sucked in. Yep. Yep. Because what do you think, Emil? Is it because 01:12:18.430 --> 01:12:27.530 we all have our price? I remember I was thinking about the earlier on in the pandemic I used to 01:12:27.530 --> 01:12:34.750 get approached by the Asman Nation members often. I'm just trying to remember if Emil, 01:12:34.910 --> 01:12:40.230 you were involved in that or not. Maybe it was somebody else. And they would come at me 01:12:40.230 --> 01:12:46.290 from a variety of different angles and they would seem to send different people. And 01:12:47.010 --> 01:12:52.530 there definitely was a UN connection. And I've learned enough in the meantime to extricate myself. 01:12:52.590 --> 01:13:00.810 But it was a kind of cult. And they lured me with fame. And they said that if I brought forward 01:13:00.810 --> 01:13:04.950 the knowledge of, you know, like it was something different at every time that 01:13:06.650 --> 01:13:12.110 they were going to take Canada from the Queen or I don't know. I barely hold on to the details 01:13:12.110 --> 01:13:17.690 anymore. But it was that I was going to be this emissary of this knowledge coming forward. And 01:13:17.690 --> 01:13:22.310 I was going to be famous. And they were going to put me up on a pedestal and I'd have a front 01:13:22.310 --> 01:13:29.750 row seat to heaven or whatever kind of thing. And when I started getting those promises of 01:13:29.750 --> 01:13:37.370 fame, I don't know why I did. I remember walking up to my window that night. And I heard these words 01:13:38.210 --> 01:13:47.570 and they said that this time around, I am unfuck withable. And I realized, okay, 01:13:47.610 --> 01:13:53.390 they're fucking with me. They're trying to blow smoke up my butt. They're buttering me up. They 01:13:53.390 --> 01:14:01.030 are trying to lure me with something they think that I want. And I didn't want that. And I just 01:14:01.570 --> 01:14:07.270 started turning away from it not with any big fanfare. I didn't have to call anybody out. I just 01:14:08.230 --> 01:14:15.210 removed myself quietly back out of any kind of dealings with them. And I've been affirmed in 01:14:15.210 --> 01:14:22.310 my choice. So it's a sign. You know, when people try to blow smoke up your butt, they 01:14:22.310 --> 01:14:28.290 want you to feel good about yourself. They love bomb you. That's a classic thing. Some people are 01:14:28.290 --> 01:14:34.670 so vulnerable to love bombing. Why? Because they're starving for love. Because they run that program 01:14:34.670 --> 01:14:41.930 that says they don't have that and they need to get that. And I have done enough work for 25 01:14:41.930 --> 01:14:47.190 years to be able to recognize it. You know, who knows, maybe I'm going to get tested and 01:14:47.190 --> 01:14:53.210 someone's going to come along and try to give me something that I really want more than fame or 01:14:53.210 --> 01:14:57.410 whatever, you know, they're going to, it's probably going to be something about my work. This is, 01:14:57.430 --> 01:15:01.410 this is a place I can still be seduced. So I shouldn't tell the internet this. But 01:15:01.990 --> 01:15:08.790 if you express in a really what seems to be sincere way about your interest in my work, 01:15:08.790 --> 01:15:15.170 then I might end up, you know, doing a little dance with you. If you, if you have bad 01:15:16.030 --> 01:15:20.690 intentions, then I might end up in a little bit of a dance. I ended up getting taken advantage 01:15:20.690 --> 01:15:28.590 of last year around this time. I was taken for money by somebody in the truth community. Hit 01:15:28.590 --> 01:15:33.750 me up to find out who it is. I'm not going to say it out loud on this one, but I'm also not 01:15:33.750 --> 01:15:41.290 withholding who it is if you need to steer clear of a predator. And so that's how I can 01:15:41.290 --> 01:15:45.490 be seduced. And I have to watch out for that, that if you express really sincere interest in 01:15:46.170 --> 01:15:53.510 healing and growing and doing the hero's journey and going free, then I'm probably going to let 01:15:53.510 --> 01:15:59.630 down my guard a lot with you. So just so you know, I didn't take advantage of me, but I'm learning. 01:16:01.930 --> 01:16:07.010 And yeah, group think it was interesting, somebody on our private telegram house of 01:16:07.010 --> 01:16:12.650 free will was saying that they don't believe in collective consciousness. So this was a new idea 01:16:12.650 --> 01:16:18.990 to me just because I've gone forward with the premise that collective consciousness is a real 01:16:18.990 --> 01:16:25.850 thing. And that's where you get group think and high of mind from where we saw this in 01:16:25.850 --> 01:16:30.870 technicolor. I mean, there's no, there's no denying it that everybody chirped safe and 01:16:30.870 --> 01:16:37.430 effective. And they put poison crap in their body, because of the group think, and it was almost 01:16:37.430 --> 01:16:43.350 impossible to step outside the group think for a time. Because you're, you know, our societies 01:16:43.350 --> 01:16:50.230 were demanding it, I couldn't go to a restaurant, I couldn't go to normal places in society, 01:16:50.290 --> 01:16:57.090 which luckily I really don't want anything to do with anyway. But you know, and the group 01:16:57.090 --> 01:17:01.630 think it basically it comes down to it's not so much collective consciousness, it's the collective 01:17:01.630 --> 01:17:09.550 unconscious, where the programming is where it holds all the power, and and the promise of 01:17:09.550 --> 01:17:18.210 survival. So, you know, to go against the group think always is a psychic threat to your life 01:17:18.210 --> 01:17:25.530 and very difficult to do. Lisa said we're all sort of love driven kinder spirits, 01:17:25.530 --> 01:17:31.790 spirit types, so passionate, etc. Sometimes you worry about the online warnings of love 01:17:31.790 --> 01:17:38.150 bombing. Yeah, you worry about them say more about that if you like. Yeah, there, that's how 01:17:38.150 --> 01:17:42.110 people do it. It's, it's always suspicious when I sometimes I'll get people in my world that 01:17:42.650 --> 01:17:48.210 they just, oh, Beth, you are the bomb, you are the one. It's like, oh, everything you do, 01:17:48.270 --> 01:17:53.830 every word you say, oh, oh, oh, and they're just always and now I'm going like, okay, 01:17:53.830 --> 01:18:00.530 let's wait for it. That's also a program. That's also an opposite that can be married. And it's 01:18:00.530 --> 01:18:06.730 called love and hate. And those people almost inevitably turn around and hate you sooner or 01:18:06.730 --> 01:18:13.430 later. If you haven't noticed this already, it is like clockwork. So yeah, the love bombers, 01:18:13.730 --> 01:18:17.530 it's like, you know, I don't know how to put an end to that sooner because 01:18:17.530 --> 01:18:21.090 you don't want to tell a love bomber that they're going to hate you sooner, 01:18:21.090 --> 01:18:24.710 later, they might hate you in that moment. Maybe you should speed things up. 01:18:25.770 --> 01:18:30.690 Esmond tried to recruit you as well because you thought they thought you were independently wealthy. 01:18:31.110 --> 01:18:35.230 You're laughing at that. You see how they treated Matt Unceded, who was a member at the time, 01:18:35.290 --> 01:18:41.390 abused their own member for thinking for himself. Yeah. And then he became a major voice against 01:18:41.390 --> 01:18:46.130 it. I didn't, I did, I did hear he was in the cult. I heard he was in the cult at the 01:18:46.130 --> 01:18:51.630 same time as he was speaking out against the cult, but who, who the heck knows about that? 01:18:52.510 --> 01:18:58.570 That machine is creating a fear of human inspired love. Yeah. 01:19:00.370 --> 01:19:05.250 Yeah, exactly. That's, that's the enemy because that's love with no opposite. 01:19:05.890 --> 01:19:10.890 There's no tension in love, zero tension in love. 01:19:12.310 --> 01:19:15.750 Right. It has, there's nothing to oppose it. So there's no tension. 01:19:17.190 --> 01:19:22.950 That's how you know what true love is. It can't turn into hate. That's, that's the programming. 01:19:23.410 --> 01:19:26.510 And it's just too bad we only have one word for that experience. 01:19:29.610 --> 01:19:36.770 So yeah, back to, back to my, my cult, one of the ways that they keep you in the cult 01:19:37.380 --> 01:19:42.370 is by making sure that you don't have important relationships like marriages, 01:19:42.870 --> 01:19:48.190 like man and woman. So he recommended there were some couples in the cult, 01:19:48.570 --> 01:19:53.130 but he would recommend they don't live together even when there were children. So they would have 01:19:53.130 --> 01:19:59.430 two homes and there's, there can be a certain wisdom to that. I bet some marriages would 01:19:59.430 --> 01:20:03.790 last a lot longer if they didn't live together. They didn't have to, you know, deal with 01:20:03.790 --> 01:20:08.630 each other day in, day out and all of that kind of thing. But he was actively trying to keep 01:20:09.150 --> 01:20:16.390 the couples from being too close. Why? Cause then he wouldn't have power over both of them 01:20:16.390 --> 01:20:22.510 or over that whole family. And he told me directly, he gave me the advice that I'm 01:20:22.510 --> 01:20:29.230 not the marrying type. So he may have cursed me to this day. I don't know ring on my, 01:20:29.230 --> 01:20:37.290 I'm doing this finger, I guess. So yeah, let's see the fact that one of the founders is big into 01:20:37.290 --> 01:20:43.290 MLM, which is another cult. I know like it's endless how, yeah, the MLMs definitely a cult. 01:20:43.530 --> 01:20:48.250 Those, those people are like cults on bees for the most part. I'm sure there's exceptions, 01:20:48.510 --> 01:20:54.710 aliens, alternative health tags, spiritual, savage, roman, romance with spiritual, 01:20:54.710 --> 01:21:00.950 savage romance. That one I don't know. Spiritual, savage romance. Never heard of that. That might be 01:21:01.490 --> 01:21:08.790 an arena I haven't come across yet. And yeah, so that was a big part preserving the women for 01:21:08.790 --> 01:21:15.290 his own fun rather than having them get very, you know, into intimate relationships would, 01:21:15.350 --> 01:21:23.130 would take the women away from the guru. How convenient. I think I already told you 01:21:23.130 --> 01:21:32.470 guys, I lost a roommate to cancer who was in the Japanese cult, the Japanese Buddhist cult 01:21:33.450 --> 01:21:38.090 Soca guy. Did I say that correctly? Soca guy, something like that. Socai ga, 01:21:39.010 --> 01:21:44.810 one of those two, maybe somebody knows that's here already. And when she was diagnosed with 01:21:44.810 --> 01:21:51.270 cancer and she was bleeding out, her cult told her, don't go for treatment. All you need to 01:21:51.270 --> 01:21:58.130 do is chant. Just sit there and repeat the mantra over and over and over and over and over. 01:21:58.490 --> 01:22:05.270 I still have it in my head because I was living with her and I would hear this constant like this. 01:22:06.030 --> 01:22:13.650 And then what happened? She up and died. Right. And did those cult members show up 01:22:14.110 --> 01:22:21.950 at all in her end of life or anything like that? Nope. They washed their hands. Why? Because 01:22:21.950 --> 01:22:28.950 they had blood on their hands. How dare you give advice like that to anybody? Because you can't 01:22:28.950 --> 01:22:35.230 know for them what the cure is. And the way they were using mantra, this, this is a little 01:22:35.230 --> 01:22:42.550 bit of overlap from another episode. It just numbs you out. And it makes you dumb as a bell 01:22:42.550 --> 01:22:46.590 that you can't see basic things. I don't know that she could have done anything differently. 01:22:46.890 --> 01:22:51.950 I don't know that she would have survived if she had done anything differently. But what she did 01:22:51.950 --> 01:23:07.050 didn't work for sure. 100%. And yeah, so let me just check out what else I've got here. We listened 01:23:07.050 --> 01:23:18.130 to him. So, you know, some people might say that I follow, you could say I follow the work 01:23:18.130 --> 01:23:25.450 of Lester Levinson or I've studied with his students. And I have certified in the process 01:23:25.450 --> 01:23:31.730 that they put out and I use it a lot. I've integrated it in my work big time. 01:23:32.370 --> 01:23:38.990 And some people would say that his thing was a cult. From what I understood, his goal was to 01:23:38.990 --> 01:23:45.610 make it not a cult because he saw how people gravitated towards him, how they wanted to be 01:23:45.610 --> 01:23:52.930 around him. They were trying to give their power to him. They felt good around him because he 01:23:52.930 --> 01:24:00.270 was fully awakened to love and to freedom. So the story goes, I didn't actually 01:24:00.270 --> 01:24:07.530 know or observe that, but I nonetheless have gotten immense amounts of value out of what he's left 01:24:07.530 --> 01:24:14.730 behind. And I did hear some stories that he wasn't all perfect and there was some money stuff and 01:24:14.730 --> 01:24:20.630 some land stuff and very typical where there's groups and cults and, you know, and then they 01:24:20.630 --> 01:24:27.070 get into ownership and then there's like grabbing at the assets and, you know, 01:24:27.070 --> 01:24:35.730 that not very spiritual kind of thing. But I don't know. It's not much like a cult. 01:24:37.030 --> 01:24:40.910 Maybe I was in a cult and I kind of got kicked. I guess I got kicked out 01:24:41.710 --> 01:24:47.110 because I didn't follow their exact rules and they would go to my Facebook and look at pictures 01:24:47.110 --> 01:24:51.710 and say like, no, Beth, no, no, we can't have one of our teachers 01:24:53.570 --> 01:25:01.130 doing a body painting event and dressed like a mermaid at the time. And it was like, it was a no. 01:25:01.310 --> 01:25:07.370 I didn't get their love and approval and luckily at the time I didn't need their love and approval 01:25:07.370 --> 01:25:16.090 and I didn't need to stay in that cult under their power. They were interesting. They set me up 01:25:16.090 --> 01:25:23.650 when I was at one of the training retreats and these people started a rumor that I was 01:25:23.650 --> 01:25:30.670 doing drugs. My boyfriend and I were doing drugs and we weren't because we were in America and we 01:25:30.670 --> 01:25:39.530 can't, we can't do any of that stuff there anyway. We might have, but we didn't and we can't 01:25:39.530 --> 01:25:44.910 and we weren't. But they had that, you know, that was sort of like the group came against 01:25:44.910 --> 01:25:51.990 us and they said, oh, we had a meeting about you. They meet about you. That's creepy to me, 01:25:52.110 --> 01:25:58.370 really creepy when you're not even in on the meeting. So yeah, that was a little, that was a 01:25:58.370 --> 01:26:04.570 little culty. Let's see if there's anything else. I think this subject is, like I said, 01:26:04.710 --> 01:26:12.330 I'm considering to do some specific ones like, what about the yoga, the yoga cults? I wouldn't, 01:26:12.330 --> 01:26:14.850 I wouldn't go deep into these, but I'm going to cover them now. 01:26:18.490 --> 01:26:27.390 And so when I came back from India and I had my three years of fighting for my life behind me 01:26:27.390 --> 01:26:32.430 and I needed to start my life again and I didn't, I knew I wasn't going back into the business world, 01:26:32.850 --> 01:26:36.370 but I didn't really know what I was going to do. So I got out there and I started teaching 01:26:36.370 --> 01:26:43.270 yoga and meditation and doing workshops on archetypes and stuff like that. And then it turned out 01:26:43.270 --> 01:26:50.030 there was like a whole yoga, yoga cults going on. It was in the days before just two seconds 01:26:50.030 --> 01:26:56.390 before yoga became popular. And there was a studio popping up on every corner and it just 01:26:56.390 --> 01:27:02.250 became the everything and people were clamoring for yoga equipment and they thought it was so 01:27:02.940 --> 01:27:10.550 something. And honestly, the amount of pride and division and competition 01:27:11.700 --> 01:27:21.390 and posturing, excuse the pun there, the branding competitions, the constant comparison of who's 01:27:21.390 --> 01:27:28.530 spiritual and who is not going on, who's honoring the tradition of the master who was, 01:27:28.530 --> 01:27:32.450 you know, potentially an abuser and a pedophile and all that kind of thing 01:27:32.450 --> 01:27:38.490 anyway, but it was all this lineage stuff where you got your authority from a lineage, 01:27:38.670 --> 01:27:45.870 which you have no way to verify was even a good thing or not. And yeah, there's, 01:27:45.890 --> 01:27:50.470 they were some of the least kind and compassionate people I ever circulated around. 01:27:51.090 --> 01:27:56.850 And it wasn't until my, I think my dad's death, when I just saw it clearly, they couldn't, 01:27:57.390 --> 01:28:02.810 uh, people, people like broke up with me because my dad was dying. It was just like, wow, that's, 01:28:02.890 --> 01:28:10.250 that's interesting, isn't it? So yeah, that's whole yoga cult. I'm sure you guys might have been, 01:28:10.810 --> 01:28:18.510 might have been, um, part of that or in on that or maybe not. And yet to be continued, 01:28:18.990 --> 01:28:25.790 Lisa, there was the John friend cult, Anusara yoga. He got, he ended up getting charged with 01:28:25.790 --> 01:28:33.470 all kinds of sexual abuse and shenanigans going on that whole movement. It was like ginormous 01:28:34.190 --> 01:28:41.230 and it fell apart. I was part of, um, Patabi Joyce's cult. If you guys are into the yoga world at all, 01:28:41.250 --> 01:28:48.510 you might be familiar with Patabi Joyce. He is considered to be the father of Ashtanga yoga 01:28:49.070 --> 01:28:55.130 in Mysore, India, where I just happened to go. I literally, I like Mysore. It was in the 01:28:55.130 --> 01:29:01.990 plains of India. It was a beautiful little city. It had amazing markets. It was pleasant 01:29:02.470 --> 01:29:06.630 to stay around. It was very tropical in the south of India. 01:29:08.190 --> 01:29:14.010 And I tripped on one of his students in a different place when I was on the beach, 01:29:14.010 --> 01:29:17.710 which made me want to go back to Mysore. I ended up studying with Patabi Joyce 01:29:18.330 --> 01:29:22.070 every day. It turned into a little bit of a coup because there was, um, 01:29:22.070 --> 01:29:30.370 he turned into a super celebrity guru international. And I knew him when he was just having nine 01:29:30.370 --> 01:29:38.250 people in his little tiny hovel of a, of a space, and he would come and sit on you and put his full 01:29:38.250 --> 01:29:42.830 weight of his body on you, which was no little thing. Actually, he was, he was a big guy with a 01:29:42.830 --> 01:29:49.410 big gut, which is weird for a yogi. And, um, he made me cry several times and he would, 01:29:49.410 --> 01:29:53.470 he would go to adjust me and he'd say, okay, now don't cry like this. He didn't have almost any 01:29:53.470 --> 01:30:00.430 English. It was super cute. But behind the scenes, same kind of corruption, right? If this is where 01:30:00.430 --> 01:30:07.510 you start to ask the question, does power corrupt? Absolutely. Does, uh, you know, 01:30:08.330 --> 01:30:12.470 is this inevitable when people get into positions of power and influence 01:30:13.090 --> 01:30:18.350 when they're surrounded by people who worship them and who want to be controlled by them, 01:30:18.350 --> 01:30:26.490 who want to give their power away to them, then it's pretty hard to withstand or it would, 01:30:26.490 --> 01:30:32.550 it would be an effort to withstand that. Although you must, you know, you, you can't just, 01:30:33.570 --> 01:30:39.850 because the people want you to be the guru, you can't, you can't power over them. There must be 01:30:39.850 --> 01:30:47.770 some intelligence in you, but I mean, it would be hard to, um, withstand. So then, yeah, he became 01:30:48.210 --> 01:30:54.470 again, you know, charges of, there's no exceptions, right? These, these gurus, these swamis, these guys, 01:30:54.990 --> 01:31:00.710 they, they all ended up corrupt in, in one way or another. And, uh, so I was part of that, 01:31:00.790 --> 01:31:06.070 but I got out of it before I didn't, they, I was never personally abused other than he made 01:31:06.070 --> 01:31:13.730 me cry just because I had so much trauma coming up in my first experience with yoga, especially with him. 01:31:15.610 --> 01:31:21.310 And, uh, Neil said, I don't insult people for questioning reality, but Effie, oh, there's a 01:31:21.310 --> 01:31:29.610 cult. There's a very big cult right there. And this one requires Effie, if you don't know what 01:31:29.610 --> 01:31:35.230 I'm talking about. I'm risking here, of course, but, uh, if you, there are circles, I've been 01:31:35.230 --> 01:31:42.950 kicked out of and even this year where if I'm just there to learn and I'm still questioning and I 01:31:42.950 --> 01:31:50.250 haven't come to hard conclusions, I was out like immediately just, just to say, Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm, 01:31:50.370 --> 01:31:55.810 I said, I'm still learning to the leader. And then, and then he immediately removed me from 01:31:55.810 --> 01:32:01.530 the telegram group and it was like, Oh, learning is not acceptable. You need to be like full on 01:32:02.370 --> 01:32:09.910 positioned in the same way that all the other group think people in that arena think, or you don't, 01:32:09.910 --> 01:32:14.930 you don't get to learn. You don't get to be part of it. You don't get to be friends with those people. 01:32:15.250 --> 01:32:20.270 It's like, okay, fascinating. Right. So this really, so they taught me, it really is a kind 01:32:20.270 --> 01:32:27.390 of cult in that context anyway. I know, like it, you know, that another modern cult, if you 01:32:27.390 --> 01:32:30.810 can stomach it is seven, six, four. I haven't heard of that one. Online predators targeting 01:32:30.810 --> 01:32:37.190 targeting children. Oh God, that's awful. I have not heard of it, but that would be a good one to 01:32:37.190 --> 01:32:44.090 research. Thanks, Emil. You are a wealth of knowledge on the topic. So yeah, then there's 01:32:44.090 --> 01:32:49.990 the Scientology and the Elron Hubbard, abusing people to subjugate. I do recommend a movie 01:32:49.990 --> 01:32:56.330 called Going Clear, which is a really good expose on Scientology. What's going on there 01:32:56.330 --> 01:33:03.310 and, you know, how they managed to save themselves billions of dollars on taxes and 01:33:04.030 --> 01:33:10.430 how they took advantage of and really broke the spirit of good people and, you know, very classic 01:33:10.430 --> 01:33:16.650 separating the parents and their children or that's, that is a classic cult thing where they 01:33:16.650 --> 01:33:23.390 take you out of your family or environment or they demonize your family. So you become separate 01:33:23.390 --> 01:33:30.470 from who would otherwise be a sports system, who you would otherwise go to and let them know like, 01:33:30.530 --> 01:33:35.550 hey, I've been told to be secret about this. Is that, do you think that's cool? Like you always 01:33:35.550 --> 01:33:43.210 have your inner circle where you can turn to and get some sound reflection. And that's exactly what 01:33:43.210 --> 01:33:48.950 they don't want you to have. So they need you to be an outcast that makes us rebels actually 01:33:48.950 --> 01:33:56.570 quite vulnerable to those kinds of things because we easily like that role of being the outcast or 01:33:56.570 --> 01:34:03.610 the outlier, right? I consider myself to be an outlier among outliers and that seems to be just 01:34:03.610 --> 01:34:12.210 like an accident and that I study with someone so gross. I know, I know. Yep, it's craziness. 01:34:13.690 --> 01:34:21.850 Yeah, they attract good people. I'll say to my, to my defense. And then they suck you in with their 01:34:21.850 --> 01:34:30.190 80% or 90% good. And then when you're trapped, the bad stuff can start to happen. Although, 01:34:30.250 --> 01:34:34.030 again, I've been spared so many bad experiences. It's just like miraculous. 01:34:36.850 --> 01:34:42.110 And then what happened to me after I had the bad experiences around the cults is 01:34:42.110 --> 01:34:48.470 that I got allergic to joining. I had this idea that, okay, I'm not going to join anymore. Why 01:34:48.470 --> 01:34:55.870 do I have to join? I'm just me. I can go and be part of all of the groups, but I don't have to be 01:34:56.450 --> 01:35:02.630 beholden to them. I don't have to toe the party line. I don't have to be part of their 01:35:02.630 --> 01:35:08.430 identity, which is another massive aspect of cults that they give you an identity that 01:35:08.430 --> 01:35:14.210 you feel to lack. When in reality, we have way too much identification. This is another 01:35:14.210 --> 01:35:23.670 tool and technique that I offer people. An out truth, I said, yeah, exactly. And so I stopped 01:35:23.670 --> 01:35:29.270 joining, but I still wanted to be part. And how I often wanted to be part was as a teacher, 01:35:29.710 --> 01:35:35.250 as a musician, as someone who would contribute because I felt like I always felt like I had 01:35:35.250 --> 01:35:39.430 something to contribute. That's honestly a gift. I know some people don't have that feeling 01:35:40.050 --> 01:35:45.430 that they have something to contribute, but I always did. And I just, even from my youngest days, 01:35:45.430 --> 01:35:51.550 I always felt like I had something to offer. And so real innocent, I would go in like, 01:35:52.150 --> 01:36:00.930 hey, do you want me to sing at your service or do a workshop for your people or whatever. 01:36:01.710 --> 01:36:08.590 I was just trying to be part of all of the stuff going on. And systematically learned that 01:36:08.590 --> 01:36:15.450 they didn't want that. First, they would love bomb me. They would tell me I was great. 01:36:16.030 --> 01:36:21.070 They would try to recruit me, try to get me into, and I'm talking about all the mini spiritual 01:36:21.070 --> 01:36:27.870 cults that are here in my region in Manitoba and Winnipeg. There are a lot of them. I 01:36:27.870 --> 01:36:32.890 probably can't even name most of them. It's been so many years since I've had anything to do with any 01:36:32.890 --> 01:36:38.910 of them. But they really, very clearly, as soon as they realized they couldn't assimilate me, 01:36:38.910 --> 01:36:47.190 they totally rejected me. Because if you're not with them, you are against them. This is 01:36:47.190 --> 01:36:54.230 another major sign of cults that you can't be in and out like this, right? There's no way to 01:36:54.230 --> 01:37:04.550 do that. And so to this day, that's why I personally have created my own body of work, 01:37:04.850 --> 01:37:11.330 my own groups, my own things like the House of Free Will, because I'm not a good joiner. 01:37:11.730 --> 01:37:17.890 And I would go join everybody's everything, but I would be uncomfortable because 01:37:19.870 --> 01:37:25.290 things might not be run the way I want them to be. And I'm not in a place where I could say 01:37:25.290 --> 01:37:30.190 anything about that. And I wouldn't either, because it's not my place. I would never 01:37:30.190 --> 01:37:35.350 go to anybody else's yoga classes. Because otherwise, I'd just be irritated about what was 01:37:35.350 --> 01:37:42.370 going on. And I didn't want to be rude and say that to anybody. So I would just stay in my own 01:37:42.370 --> 01:37:48.810 lane. I would do my own classes. I would do my own groups. Same to this day. I've got my own 01:37:48.810 --> 01:37:56.810 private association. I've got my channels. And I've got my people that like that. And so I just 01:37:56.810 --> 01:38:08.640 stay in my own lane, so to speak. And I'm going to sneeze again. Emile said, there are studies 01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:13.900 that show power money can actually cause brain damage. Maybe that's why so many cult leaders 01:38:13.900 --> 01:38:20.540 never knew when to stop, rather than go down in flames. They'd rather go down in flames than 01:38:20.540 --> 01:38:26.940 cash out and call it a day. Yeah, wow, that's wise, Emile. Very well said. Exactly. Yeah. 01:38:28.100 --> 01:38:34.900 Money power can cause brain damage. I wonder if you have to cooperate with that. Are there 01:38:34.900 --> 01:38:42.000 people that could actively consciously withstand the effect of that? I watch in the Truth 01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:48.720 movement when people gain a lot of notoriety, they're obviously making a bunch of dough on 01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:55.760 their podcast or whatever. They get surrounded by advisors. It's kind of interesting how somebody 01:38:55.760 --> 01:39:04.160 who's ascending in the power and money category, they end up attracting all of these advisors 01:39:04.160 --> 01:39:10.860 that want to steer the king, right? They want to advise the king. They want to influence 01:39:10.860 --> 01:39:18.460 the king. They want the king's attention. And then if the king is vulnerable, not really 01:39:19.020 --> 01:39:24.720 that kingly at all, they're going to just start asking, am I okay? I want to do this. Am I? Is 01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:32.340 this okay? Oh, I talked to this person. Are they okay? Am I going to be okay? If you think 01:39:32.340 --> 01:39:38.740 they're okay, then I'll be okay, like this. And that's what you want to examine as well, 01:39:38.740 --> 01:39:44.800 Elisa. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a really big one. Boy, that just gets dicey. That would make 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:49.880 me tempted to do that in the House of Free Will so that I could be absolutely free to speak. 01:39:50.740 --> 01:39:56.960 And we do have weekly meetings there where I will say the things and I will say the names. 01:39:57.200 --> 01:40:02.540 And I will point out those specific occurrences so people could know. So yeah, 01:40:02.820 --> 01:40:07.980 I might be tempted to do that more in private because I'm not here to create war. 01:40:07.980 --> 01:40:15.160 That just is a very, very big distraction for me. I got a lot of work to do all the time. 01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:22.180 And honestly, I'm so incredibly privileged and fortunate to be able to do the work 01:40:22.180 --> 01:40:29.060 that I do every day. It's a miracle to include this as part of my work that I come and have 01:40:29.060 --> 01:40:36.940 this really fun live stream with you guys. And so that's my main focus, but these can also be 01:40:36.940 --> 01:40:44.480 really important cults to know about. Emile said, never underestimate how seductive attention is, 01:40:44.540 --> 01:40:49.280 especially for those that have been abused, live on the fringes, never got attention earlier in 01:40:49.280 --> 01:40:56.080 their lives and their workplace. Yes, exactly. We were starved. We were totally starved of 01:40:56.080 --> 01:41:04.000 attention. And I always think of this example. They did gory experiments on monkeys and they 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:09.960 gave them two options. Typical Satanists and torturers do that. One option was to get food and 01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:17.600 water. And the other option was to have a cozy blanket that made it seem like comfort. 01:41:18.540 --> 01:41:24.160 And guess which one the monkeys chose? They chose to starve themself out. 01:41:25.660 --> 01:41:32.140 Fucking tragic. That is how desperately we need. And that wasn't even receiving attention. That 01:41:32.140 --> 01:41:40.000 was like the simulation of the comfort of somebody's closeness and their attention. 01:41:41.860 --> 01:41:48.060 So yeah, people are starving for attention. I know I grew up feeling like I didn't exist at all. 01:41:48.680 --> 01:41:54.640 I used to hide wondering if anyone would notice if I was gone or not. They parented children by, 01:41:55.020 --> 01:42:01.240 you know, as long as the child wasn't crying or complaining, they figured that child didn't 01:42:01.240 --> 01:42:07.820 need attention. Right? So that's how some of us, I put my hand up and became more of a badass because 01:42:07.820 --> 01:42:13.700 boy, did I get a lot more attention when I was doing wrongs as a teenager in particular. 01:42:14.980 --> 01:42:20.680 And yeah, that's really, really poignant. You got it, Emile. 01:42:22.760 --> 01:42:28.660 Removing agency one disciple at a time. Disciple and discipline. Yeah, I talked about that a 01:42:28.660 --> 01:42:33.800 little bit last time as well. And the wire monkey experiments, I know they're really awful, 01:42:34.100 --> 01:42:40.360 absolutely awful. But, but a very poignant example for us and how desperately people need that 01:42:41.320 --> 01:42:45.520 need love and attention that turns into programming, which is a desperate measure. 01:42:45.860 --> 01:42:53.160 Right? If we feel like there's absolutely no way to survive and living a loveless life is, 01:42:53.160 --> 01:42:58.820 is, you know, a soul death, then we will program ourselves with those basic roots. 01:43:01.140 --> 01:43:04.460 So I'm going to put this other comment up, give me one second again. 01:43:14.450 --> 01:43:19.910 Elisa said, that's why it's better to accept love than be afraid of love bombing. Humans are 01:43:19.910 --> 01:43:27.390 complicated, but don't turn to AI friends or some kind of wire monkey. Yeah, I know how 01:43:27.390 --> 01:43:34.670 are people really using AI as a friend? Personally, when AI started to blow smoke up my 01:43:34.670 --> 01:43:40.690 butt and love bomb me, I was disgusted. And it doesn't do that anymore at all. 01:43:41.590 --> 01:43:46.790 At first it was all loving and it would like, oh, you're so smart. It would tell me, and oh, 01:43:46.810 --> 01:43:53.550 that's so important. And oh, really, I get all of this embellishment, emotional embellishment 01:43:53.550 --> 01:43:59.150 crap. And I'm just like, I don't, I don't want that I'm not in. And it doesn't talk to me like 01:43:59.150 --> 01:44:05.090 that anymore. It figured me out that I'm like, I'm just, I'm just here for some research and 01:44:05.090 --> 01:44:10.130 some facts. And I want to see what you say before I go and try to verify what you said. 01:44:10.470 --> 01:44:16.050 AI, by the way, has been wrong about me twice. It's attributed a quote to me that I never made. 01:44:16.490 --> 01:44:22.050 And when we confronted the AI, it apologized. He said, oops, sorry, sorry about that. 01:44:22.050 --> 01:44:26.990 I didn't mean to do that. I won't do that again. What was the other thing? Yeah. So there's all kinds 01:44:26.990 --> 01:44:33.150 of bad and wrong. You should search yourself on AI. It might be enlightening what it comes up with, 01:44:33.930 --> 01:44:37.550 inventing stuff. That's what I noticed that AI is a good inventor. 01:44:39.070 --> 01:44:45.050 But it's a fun tool. It is, it is also a tool. Pretty wild how many variables go into 01:44:45.050 --> 01:44:51.830 building one's world worldview. I know, I know it's insane. We are immensely complex beings, 01:44:52.830 --> 01:45:01.430 multiple at multiple levels, and possibly dimensions, although we got enough to deal with in one. 01:45:02.750 --> 01:45:08.710 So yeah, yeah, it's staggering. It never stops being so fascinating to me to study 01:45:09.510 --> 01:45:15.470 our own consciousness. And I can do that 24 seven because I got one right here. 01:45:17.030 --> 01:45:22.010 All right. Let's see if there's anything that I didn't cover. It's endless. 01:45:23.510 --> 01:45:28.930 There's the Wiccan cults. It became very popular around here to be a witch and all of that kind 01:45:28.930 --> 01:45:36.590 of witchy culture. It became popular. You knew when it became popular and then it started 01:45:36.590 --> 01:45:41.330 getting pumped out on the airwaves that this is some kind of social engineering going on here. 01:45:41.630 --> 01:45:49.430 It's not it's not like grassroots Wicca kind of thing. And he said, your friend said he found 01:45:49.430 --> 01:45:54.110 an AI generated summary of his family tree in history with mistakes. Interesting. Oh, 01:45:55.050 --> 01:46:02.990 that's fascinating. That makes me want to do that. Alrighty. Yep. And yes, you got the Wicca. 01:46:02.990 --> 01:46:06.470 You got, of course, the Churchianity cults. We talked about that a little bit. 01:46:07.390 --> 01:46:13.250 And there's the health cults. Those are those are huge. So that definitely deserves its own 01:46:13.250 --> 01:46:21.110 particular focus. Natural health cults in particular. And you might know by now that I am 01:46:21.710 --> 01:46:28.010 not not down with this logical fallacy that says if it's natural, it's good. That's 01:46:28.010 --> 01:46:35.230 actually a bunch of crap. That is a belief. That's a religion. That is a cult. And you want 01:46:35.230 --> 01:46:42.830 to get the heck out of there before you have real trouble. There's the fad diet cults which are 01:46:42.830 --> 01:46:47.390 health related. Of course, you got the political cults probably not going there myself unless 01:46:47.970 --> 01:46:54.030 there is a fellow on Instagram who I've been tuning in with and he has a really strong 01:46:55.170 --> 01:47:03.930 clear what feels to be true voice. And if I can find his name quickly, his name is Robin Hillier. 01:47:04.370 --> 01:47:09.530 So you can go to my Instagram, which is Beth Dot Martins. Is it Beth Dot Martins one? 01:47:10.310 --> 01:47:16.670 No, Beth Dot Martins on Instagram. And I barely get anybody on there at all. So it'll be fun 01:47:16.670 --> 01:47:22.770 to have you there. And so yeah, he's really smart and he's he's calling out the 01:47:23.890 --> 01:47:29.890 politics here in Canada in particular. So I might have him on if he agreed, but probably not for a 01:47:29.890 --> 01:47:35.450 while. And he's a very clear voice. Everything that I've heard so far is good. And he's got a real 01:47:35.450 --> 01:47:40.930 he's got an in it in for our government, which is great. I'd like to support him. So anyway, 01:47:40.930 --> 01:47:46.230 that's what I might do on a political cult, but more of a king hero interview. Of course, 01:47:46.230 --> 01:47:53.950 there's financial cults and the crypto world has become very, very culty education. It's kind of 01:47:53.950 --> 01:48:02.750 endless. You saw Dr. Volmer share her AI review. The machine said exactly what she thought of herself 01:48:02.750 --> 01:48:08.150 and she shared the post with Pride. She didn't realize the machine was gaming her own mind. 01:48:08.550 --> 01:48:14.810 This is the thing, Emil. Good for you to see that. Good for you. Right. That's how we can 01:48:14.810 --> 01:48:27.050 get so sucked in that. Yeah, that's all I want to say there. Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly it's really 01:48:27.050 --> 01:48:37.330 well said gaming her own mind gaming. And yeah, I would say more in the private. But we're not 01:48:37.330 --> 01:48:43.190 in the private. So well, my dears, I think I'm starting to come to the end of what I wanted 01:48:43.190 --> 01:48:49.790 to talk about today. And I'm still open to any other suggestions, although I'm going to go back and 01:48:50.230 --> 01:48:53.790 look at the chat for all of those that you've made, Emil, I do appreciate those. 01:48:54.610 --> 01:49:02.210 And I do help people to discern and to de-program and become much less vulnerable to people that 01:49:02.210 --> 01:49:09.250 either want to love from you or give you inclusion or make you feel safe or make you 01:49:09.250 --> 01:49:17.470 feel like you belong or you're one with them and that you have a place among people that love you. 01:49:20.630 --> 01:49:27.650 And that's interesting. Yeah, I'll just finish this thought. So I have a course. I have revamped 01:49:27.650 --> 01:49:33.970 and put together. It's called De-Programming 101. I just learned that 101 is satanic, 01:49:33.970 --> 01:49:41.850 but I can't change it now. I already did this. So funny. Yeah, 101 is actually harkens back to 01:49:43.170 --> 01:49:53.410 the two pillars. Go figure and the bridge between them. So this is the name of the course that will 01:49:53.410 --> 01:49:57.490 stay at this point. It is for people that are brand new to the de-programming work. 01:49:58.130 --> 01:50:04.490 It's very simple, but it can be not easy, but everybody will be in a different place 01:50:04.490 --> 01:50:11.570 with that. And so here is a link if anyone wants to look at the details and feel free to hit me up. 01:50:12.250 --> 01:50:21.930 Hello, Mr. Biocharisma. Love bombs away. Very good. Yeah, you're good at loving. I 01:50:21.930 --> 01:50:26.050 don't know about if you're a love bomber, but you're very loving. And those are different things. 01:50:30.390 --> 01:50:34.510 Now, speaking of dollar vigilante, Jeff isn't doing much better these days. 01:50:34.570 --> 01:50:40.970 Interesting. I'm curious what you think about him not doing well. 01:50:42.670 --> 01:50:48.930 I saw he was in Egypt and taking lots of medicine and I have my opinion on that, 01:50:49.170 --> 01:50:54.110 but AI kisses butts too much. They really do. Yeah, no, it's gross. Mine won't do it 01:50:54.110 --> 01:51:02.590 anymore to me because I don't want that. I feel dirty about that. 01:51:03.290 --> 01:51:12.370 But yeah, so this course is a really good way to go. The de-programming one-on-one basic skills. 01:51:12.670 --> 01:51:16.090 This is something that I really hope and pray most people have for themselves. 01:51:16.710 --> 01:51:25.950 Also coming up in January is going to be the maiden voyage of a course, a brand new course 01:51:26.650 --> 01:51:36.350 called Creator Code. And this Creator Code is going to be the very first time ever. I'm calling it 01:51:37.350 --> 01:51:43.390 the maiden voyage or beta version and I have some people are already signing up and I'm looking 01:51:43.390 --> 01:51:49.050 for some participants that would be willing to do it for half of the investment that it's going to be 01:51:50.510 --> 01:51:57.150 and in exchange for some feedback as we go along. If that's you, if you'd like to look into it, 01:51:57.190 --> 01:52:02.270 you'd like to see it. I do already have a page up for it. I'm not going to share it right now. 01:52:02.710 --> 01:52:06.730 I actually do prefer to have conversations with people about this just to make sure 01:52:06.730 --> 01:52:11.170 that it's a good fit for this maiden voyage, so to speak, that we're going to do it the 01:52:11.170 --> 01:52:17.770 first time. I'm going to be doing some of the flying the plane and building the plane at the same time. 01:52:18.290 --> 01:52:23.210 Oh, look at that banner keeps on disappearing. It's hilarious. It's got a little timer on it. 01:52:23.710 --> 01:52:28.270 It's going to be up there for another 10 seconds. And so you can reach out to me in a 01:52:28.270 --> 01:52:33.190 number of different ways. You can email Beth at BethMartens.com. Please don't publish my email 01:52:33.190 --> 01:52:39.650 anywhere that becomes problematic. And you could go to BethMartens.com, fill out a form, 01:52:39.650 --> 01:52:45.130 for example, on my About page or any other page that you find. I'd love to have you on Telegram. 01:52:45.270 --> 01:52:50.510 Telegram is always a great place to connect and do either private messaging or in the group. 01:52:52.850 --> 01:52:57.730 And yeah, lots of ways, lots of ways to reach me on Instagram, on Facebook, Messenger, 01:52:58.930 --> 01:53:03.610 and even X that place. Oh, yeah, X stole a bunch of money from me the other night. 01:53:03.650 --> 01:53:07.690 I'm sitting there and before I went to bed, I saw an email come through saying, 01:53:07.690 --> 01:53:13.470 oh, you just paid $560 to X. And I'm like, oh, did I? And I'm like, that must be spam. 01:53:13.630 --> 01:53:20.050 And I thought to myself, okay, if that's not spam, I better, I better see that. And so what 01:53:20.050 --> 01:53:24.770 they did, I do have a premium account over there. Why I don't know because it hasn't 01:53:24.770 --> 01:53:32.070 done anything for me. It's like, absolutely useless. So it, it decided that they are AI, 01:53:32.070 --> 01:53:37.810 Grock probably decided that I should be in a higher tier. They charged me more than double 01:53:37.810 --> 01:53:43.110 what they did the last two years. And they, I didn't get one notice, zero notification. 01:53:43.810 --> 01:53:48.410 They just took the money. And then you immediately see that they provide zero refunds 01:53:48.410 --> 01:53:55.370 for any monies already got. So these evil guys, they just stole my money. So immediately, 01:53:55.610 --> 01:54:00.710 of course, get on the phone with the bank and gonna have to level a dispute against X 01:54:01.410 --> 01:54:05.750 for that. So watch out for that. If you have any, if you spend any money with X at all, 01:54:05.750 --> 01:54:10.690 go and check your accounts and check your renewals. And I don't know, cancel at all that crap. 01:54:12.030 --> 01:54:16.850 Emil, you said Jeff is in the Kristoff cult. Right. Right. I did see that. Yeah, mild, 01:54:16.990 --> 01:54:24.430 mild denial on my part, bragging about giving their children psychedelics darn. That sucks. 01:54:24.430 --> 01:54:31.350 Also, you need the Tesla $10,000. Don't you know? Yep. I have a, I have a 01:54:32.270 --> 01:54:41.090 idea about all of those frequency machines. It's the same problem as ascension spirituality, 01:54:41.090 --> 01:54:47.710 where we have the idea that it's going high, getting high is healing. It's not. 01:54:48.670 --> 01:54:57.810 It's absolutely not. Now, it getting high can be the reason you choose to do the much more difficult 01:54:57.810 --> 01:55:06.210 healing work, but it often isn't because people use a device to feel better. Right. Whether that's 01:55:06.210 --> 01:55:15.430 a Tara Hertz wand or a Brown's gas machine with the frequencies or with the Tesla or all of 01:55:15.430 --> 01:55:20.530 this kind of, you know, interesting. We've been flooded with frequency technology. Like it was 01:55:20.530 --> 01:55:24.290 waiting for us because that stuff takes a little while to develop and everything. 01:55:26.170 --> 01:55:32.810 And I think, I think it actually, I'm curious. I'm watching Jeff. I'm watching to see if his 01:55:32.810 --> 01:55:39.130 health degrades big time. Usually it will take time, but he's in the right age range where 01:55:39.130 --> 01:55:46.350 you'll start to see that. And sometimes like I was on a, I was on a frequency technology for a year, 01:55:46.430 --> 01:55:53.030 and then I had a complete breakdown of my digestive system, 100% fail. And for like three months in 01:55:53.030 --> 01:56:00.150 a row, I was struggling. This was after using frequency technology for an entire year. And it 01:56:00.150 --> 01:56:06.550 made me realize that it was probably propping me up, making me feel better than I actually was 01:56:07.430 --> 01:56:12.750 suppressing important symptoms that otherwise would have caught my attention and suppressing 01:56:12.750 --> 01:56:19.490 my detox processes that make me feel good. Right. We are addicted to feeling good. That's been an 01:56:19.490 --> 01:56:24.850 ongoing theme over the course of this discussion. So yeah. And otherwise you're stupid and you're 01:56:24.850 --> 01:56:28.710 brainwashed. If you don't spend $10,000, I know, I know. So that doesn't go well. 01:56:28.710 --> 01:56:31.090 And that is totally insane. 01:56:33.510 --> 01:56:38.530 Yeah. Yeah, it's called duration paradox. I do recommend going back to the work of Dr. Garrett 01:56:38.530 --> 01:56:42.710 Smith. We are hosting a meeting tomorrow. If you didn't hear me at the very beginning 01:56:43.350 --> 01:56:48.350 for, for love your liver meetup, and we're going to compare notes, see where people have been at 01:56:48.350 --> 01:56:54.670 for the months that they've been using this approach. Also in the house of free will on 01:56:54.670 --> 01:56:59.570 Saturday, on Sunday, we're having a movie event. We're going to be watching The Prisoner, 01:56:59.630 --> 01:57:05.210 which turns out to be pretty Gnostic and Satanic in the end, but very entertaining sci-fi, 01:57:06.690 --> 01:57:11.330 escaping the Matrix theme, and then we'll be discussing it and seeing if we want to do, 01:57:11.850 --> 01:57:17.470 watch the whole series or not. I'm not sure. And it is, it is fun and quirky and it's 01:57:17.470 --> 01:57:22.110 not like depressing and sad for the most part, which I, that's one of my standards. 01:57:22.690 --> 01:57:26.450 And then Monday, we also have a round table in law where we're going to be discussing, 01:57:26.610 --> 01:57:32.390 discussing the myths of the private domain, of which there are a lot of them. That's Monday 01:57:32.390 --> 01:57:38.150 at 5 p.m. This is all for members of the house of free will. If anyone would like to apply to 01:57:38.150 --> 01:57:42.570 become a member, I will be watching for applications just in case tomorrow is of 01:57:43.650 --> 01:57:49.130 interest to you. And so you can click this direct link. Can anyone tell me if that's 01:57:49.130 --> 01:57:53.510 clickable? By the way, in the chat, if you click on it, if that works just for fun, 01:57:53.530 --> 01:57:58.610 because otherwise I share out all these links and they might be useless. And the number of 01:57:58.610 --> 01:58:04.910 interviews with Joel Schaefer, Kelsey Kenny, Alex Michael, we're going to talk self-veggio 01:58:05.770 --> 01:58:11.810 and music and vibration and the life that they have. And I just love his voice. He's got 01:58:11.810 --> 01:58:20.090 a very authentic singing voice. It's not affected. It's not, it's not crappy. And someone just 01:58:20.090 --> 01:58:24.770 posted on rumble. Are you out there? You're, you're not in the rumble chat. You are in 01:58:25.330 --> 01:58:30.010 the Bath of Fresh Air. Maybe it's a bot. I usually only get bots commenting. 01:58:31.550 --> 01:58:36.830 Okay, we won't do that now. All right. Oh shush. Rumble said to paint in the ass. They, 01:58:36.830 --> 01:58:41.590 they force feed you advertising there and you can't get around it. Maybe it can. 01:58:42.130 --> 01:58:47.030 And it works. Thank you, Elisa. I appreciate that. All right, my dearest. Well, that was a good 01:58:47.030 --> 01:58:54.230 opening chat about cults. And I look forward to maybe doing more on this. We'll see if I'm 01:58:54.230 --> 01:58:57.470 inspired. And if I can, if I can find a good guest, that would be better because 01:58:57.470 --> 01:59:02.810 I really am an expert in the cults that I went through more so than having been 01:59:02.810 --> 01:59:09.550 someone who researched this arena a lot. So I know Joel has been through his cult experiences. 01:59:09.590 --> 01:59:14.270 So I'll definitely be asking him about that next week on the 11th. But I think that's it. Oh, 01:59:14.290 --> 01:59:21.550 there you are. It's Kimman. Nice to see you. That was, that was you. Come on. Sook, BC. Nice. 01:59:23.930 --> 01:59:32.470 Kimman. Editor. Did you leak news, not noise? But you, okay, I'm not sure what all of that is. 01:59:33.510 --> 01:59:39.370 But welcome. And I'm glad you were here. All right. So I think that's all for now. So much 01:59:39.370 --> 01:59:43.610 going on. It's going to be a very busy weekend, but I'm looking forward to it. And I'm praying 01:59:43.610 --> 01:59:51.490 for snow. So I wanted to apologize for everyone in Manitoba that if there's a whole lot of 01:59:51.490 --> 01:59:57.310 his gainful living and he's super keen, it's so fun to watch him be that keen about working. It's 01:59:57.310 --> 02:00:03.130 really, I don't know, that's, that's remarkable for me to, to observe him and his work ethic, 02:00:03.130 --> 02:00:09.430 because it can be uncommon in young people these days. I know, I know Freeman, I know, 02:00:09.510 --> 02:00:12.830 I know, I actually spoke to him recently. I don't know if you know what he's been up to. 02:00:12.930 --> 02:00:18.990 You can go and see his, he's created a character Bunny and Bunny has been doing 02:00:18.990 --> 02:00:27.590 writing books and making videos and music and stuff like that. So he's, he's super deep 02:00:27.590 --> 02:00:32.790 into the AI stuff right now. I said he should come on and talk about it, but I did actually lose my 02:00:32.790 --> 02:00:38.430 last YouTube channel right after I interviewed Freeman. So he said, no, he won't, he won't 02:00:38.430 --> 02:00:42.590 do it anymore. Pasio would actually behave on your channel. You think so? I've never, 02:00:42.590 --> 02:00:49.730 I've never had Pasio on, but yeah, he was, he was actually my very first thought and my only 02:00:49.730 --> 02:00:54.930 hesitation there is that he's going to yell at me for one reason or another or yell at my people, 02:00:55.030 --> 02:00:59.810 which I find, why are you yelling at all the people who agree with you? That makes no sense to 02:00:59.810 --> 02:01:06.730 me. So, but yeah, I know he's got lots of valuable work and probably is the expert of all experts 02:01:06.730 --> 02:01:14.970 on the cult stuff. And sounds like my son found purpose. I know, I know it's like, it looks good on 02:01:14.970 --> 02:01:21.230 him. He wasn't even really overweight, but he's slimmed down and he's like, bulk and out. It's 02:01:21.230 --> 02:01:27.150 all physical labor. So he gets to work out like crazy when he goes to work and his boss has 02:01:27.150 --> 02:01:34.610 been picking him when there's less to do. He gets the work and he has the idea that 02:01:34.610 --> 02:01:39.910 he's going to stay with this company and get into a management role with it and that kind of loyalty, 02:01:40.390 --> 02:01:47.250 like, shit, you just don't really see that anymore at all. So I'm very, very happy for him. And he's 02:01:47.250 --> 02:01:51.950 a calm guest. Okay, well, that's good to know. Do you know him? Maybe you could introduce us 02:01:51.950 --> 02:01:57.890 after all these years we haven't actually met. So, okay, well, I think that's it. I hope 02:01:57.890 --> 02:02:02.990 you guys have a wonderful weekend. A lot of love to you. I will set up a little... 02:02:04.650 --> 02:02:08.750 See, I just have to stop sharing this thing. How do I do that? 02:02:10.710 --> 02:02:18.670 First I have to do that, then I have to do that. Stop screen. Okay, so I'm going to play a song 02:02:18.670 --> 02:02:26.810 on the way out. This is a piece that I recorded on my album called 02:02:31.510 --> 02:02:36.510 Uh, I don't know. I don't know offhand. I think is it on the VJ, a living knowledge or something 02:02:36.510 --> 02:02:41.930 like that? I don't know. All of a sudden, or is it on where there's beauty? 02:02:43.990 --> 02:02:47.990 Anyway, it's out there. Okay, you're very welcome, you guys. I hope you have a beautiful 02:02:47.990 --> 02:02:55.050 rest of your weekend and we'll see you again back by the fresh air next week. Same bat time, 02:02:55.050 --> 02:02:57.270 same bat channel. Lots of love for now.