and welcome to Beth of Fresh Air. I'm so excited. Pretty excited to be here today. I have to say
I'm loving this podcast a lot. I like it as an anchor. I like looking forward to Fridays
and visiting with you guys. So always come say hi in the chat. I do kind of no pressure but
depend on you to be there to interact with and bounce ideas around and get some new data
or questions or thoughts or anything like that. And before we get started talking about a very
important subject, decalting. I made up a word for this one. Then I'm going to let you know what's
going on. Mike New is here. Welcome. So great to have you here. Fantastic. I'm glad you could
join us. And so what do we got coming up? First of all, in the House of Free Will,
it is a very full weekend. There's an event tomorrow on Love Your Liver. If you're
not familiar with Nutrition Detective and Dr. Garrett Smith's work, we have a small group
in the House of Free Will on a private telegram where we discuss our findings on the Love Your
Liver path. It is a very specific path. If you're not familiar with it already, please do go and
listen to my interviews with Garrett. There's three of them plus one he interviewed me. So that
gives you a really good foundation. He also has a YouTube channel like huge and there's
tons of information there. So if you're new to it, it's okay, but don't come to debate
the things that you are doing or thinking about or anything like that just because we're really
focused on the Love Your Liver path there. So that's tomorrow at noon central time. There's
still time. If anybody would like to apply to be a member if you're not already,
then you could grab this link from the chat, which I think will be clickable now apparently.
There is, oh yeah, I was going to showcase some sound effects, which I think I will do as well.
StreamYard keeps adding to their features. It's funny because I keep considering to cancel them
and then they add all kinds of new stuff. They're super expensive, but this makes it easy for me
because I'm not an OBS expert by any means. And then Sunday coming up is a House of Free
Well Movie event. So periodically we choose movies or in this case a series to watch together
and to discuss and unpack and eat popcorn and have some fun. It's scheduled at a good time for both
the North Americans and Europeans. I always have to choose between Europeans and Australians,
sadly, but for this one the person who suggested it can only come at noon on Sundays. So that's
series called The Prisoner from 1968. It's not the movie The Prisoner, it's the 1968 quirky
sci-fi weird bust out of the Matrix theme. I find it very interesting because it was,
I guess they started it the year I was born and it brings back that Doctor Who kind of
feel. So that's going to be a lot of fun. This is all included for your membership,
by the way, there's no charge for these events. And then the next one is coming up Monday,
it is a round table in law. And I finally have people in my world that I want to talk to about
the law again. I ran out of stuff because we ran into just so much nonsense. But this is going
to be really interesting. It's on the private domain and the mythology around the private domain
has been really thick and fast coming. It seems to go in waves, it's coming up again,
making a new wave. So we are going to in the private, I'm not one to go and call anybody out
or threaten anyone's grift or anything like that. But I want my people to know what's real
and what's not real. I know I went through several versions of reality myself until coming
like, oh, okay. So the law is very interesting. It's going to be from the perspective of
English law that really is the law of the lands. That will apply if you're in Canada,
in the US, Australia, any commonwealth country, Europe, European Union, all of that kind of
thing. So that is coming up Monday at 5 p.m. Central Standard Time. This one is good
for Australians. I did that on purpose because there's some new members that are really into the law
and especially the English law and the real deal kind of thing. No inventions, no assumptions,
just let's look at the actual deal. Okay, so that's that. And now we've got some sirens that
has that for a sign. Maybe I'll take a little break for sound effects. We get the applause.
Just found these. It's hilarious. Just in case anyone wasn't nervous, you might be a little bit
now. And if there was something funny would happen, we'll get this. Maybe, if I remember to it. And then
if somebody's being bad in the chat, you might get a bounce. It doesn't happen very often.
I'm very, very blessed with my audience. You guys don't, I don't attract trolls for very
long by any means. And then if I say something stupid, maybe I'll get it gone.
All right, good. Satisfied. My urge to do that since they exist. And then coming up on the
King Hero's journey, Joel Schaefer is going to be on December 11th at 3 p.m. Central Time
next week. Boy, I'm excited to talk to that guy. I've really been anticipating this
conversation. And I got the sound boards. Yep, exactly. I know. I'm moving up around here.
And yeah, Joel, he's going to, he's a gem. I just, I just love his, honestly, his humility,
that the path that he's on is making him humble. And it's such a beautiful thing.
And then I have the great privilege. He's going to be interviewing me on December 15
at 1 p.m. Central Time, not long after that. Kelsey Kenny is coming on. She is the,
in a way, the feminine counterpart to the love your liver nutrition detective world.
And she is a molecular biologist. So we're going to talk about brain and breath food.
Breath food. That's not bath food. That's breath food. So I'm excited. December 18,
3 p.m. Central Time. She's going to geek right out. And my science mind has been
ramping up my capacity to take that stuff in. It's been good. Oh, there must be something
major going on out there. Lots of sirens. And then I just booked Alex Michael, who you might
know is the conspiracy music guru coming on December 22nd at 11 a.m. early on a Monday.
So that's a little better for him where he lives in Spain. And hello, Emil. Nice to see you. You
said, good day. Should do a show or two that reviews the grifters and liars that you've
interviewed over the years. Yeah, I know. I know, right? It would be a long show.
It would be so long in some ways. It's good. My channel got taken down because a lot of that
stuff just disappeared. But yeah, yeah, I think there's someone that can hold a conversation
with appropriate tact. Yeah, I gotta sort of sit on the fence with that one, because
for the most part, I just don't want to be a predator on people. I just want my people to
know that's why I did the archetypes of controlled ops so that I could have people learn the
patterns for themselves and not have me in the background just calling people out. And,
you know, I go a lot by intuition. And then I take in some data from here and from there
and so, yeah, that's, but I love it when we find the truth. It's just, it's a wow.
So December is going to be a good month. It really will be. Yeah, I'm super excited.
All right. So if you are not in the chat on one of the platforms, Facebook, YouTube,
X, Rumble or even vigilante TV, although they don't, the last one doesn't have a chat,
please do come in and join us for this discussion. First of all, put up your hand
if you've never been in any cults your whole entire life. Anyone?
Now the word cult is a problem in and of itself because it begs defining what does a cult actually
mean. And so I'm talking today with about a massive range of the definition. We're going to go
broad today. And then I believe I'm going to public school. I said, yeah, just public school.
Exactly. Yeah, the education cult. So, so you can see how expansive I'm going to add that to my
list here. You can see how expansive the topic is and it'll get unruly. But so I'm going to
introduce it today. If I can find some guests, that's another thing I was going to ask you
guys about. Who should I interview about cults? Is there anybody that you've come across that
you feel is credible, that has done a deep dive into the nature of cults and maybe some specific
ones as well? I would talk to people who were in cults like Scientology or whatever it was.
And I'm going to rely on you guys to throw them out because I don't, I don't research
cults. I've just been in them. And that's how I tend to research inside myself. So I am
interested in interviewing someone. If you have any suggestions, please do bring them along.
It's interesting how when I combed through my mind of all the people that I know,
you think I would come up with a good handful of them. Derek Bros and Michael Tasarian have been
suggested so far. Michael, God bless him. I love him, but I can't reach him. He,
I don't think he wants to be interviewed by me. I've asked a few times. And so if there are
others, then please do let me know. So you might have heard me say that I am a survivor. It's,
it's that that would be a like kind of a dramatic way to put it. Some people are survivors of a
cult that I was part of in India with a white bearded guru on a mountain. Exactly like the
cliche goes. And I first was part of a softer cult that was led by one of his, now I'll say this,
a little bit tongue in cheek recruiters. So everyone in that cult ended up being a recruiter,
including myself to some degree or another, although I led a double life, right? I had a
professional life in the real world, in business and all of that kind of thing. And I was
literally trying to hide my spiritual side. So I wasn't really going out to tell people,
oh, come to the mountain with this white bearded guru guy. Oh, Clint Richardson, that's a really
good idea. I haven't, I haven't connected to him with him for, I bet it's more than a year
already. So good idea. Yeah, I can have a decent chat with with Clint. Thank you for that.
And so it was, what was my first year? I graduated university as I was looking for a
graduating credit, I came across a religions of India course. And I literally had no interest.
I'm just like, I'm, you know, probably never go to India. I'll just take this credit. It'll,
it'll probably be interesting religions of India. And it turned into the prerequisite
for a credit course, which I did need an extra half a credit to graduate my degree
in meditation. And you needed the religious of India in order to take the meditation course that
was experimental. I think I took the only version of it. There might have been more, but I don't
think so. And so I got into that course and I learned to, to meditate. And I met this
recruiter, so to speak, but he's a friend. He's, I don't somehow doubt he's going to hear this,
but he's, he's been a friend for many years. And nonetheless, there was, you know, his students
propagated this guy and they would have their homes would be covered in his picture and they'd
often have a shrine to him, which is very common in India. Well, I didn't think I was
going to go to India. I ended up going eight times, right? So I went overseas to visit the guru.
I got lost along the way. I ended up in a cultural exchange program in Nepal. And then I
traveled down to India and I kept getting lost there because of the beach and the fun of
traveling along the coast and meeting a lot of international people. And oh man,
did I eat my way through that country? If it was supposedly going to be a spiritual journey,
it was mostly eating and getting sick. Actually, yeah, because I got all, I don't know,
I got about a hundred jabs before I actually left on my trip and I was a mess before I left.
And then I, you know, how I interpreted it then is that I got every little water or airborne
bug that came my way because my immune system was crushed. So that I know that not to be
true from the germ theory side anymore, but nonetheless. I did heal from the first round
of all that. I'll go off on a tiny little tangent here by eating nothing but organic food.
And it's so interesting because one of my son's friends decided, came to those conclusions
himself, started eating nothing but organic food. So that's kind of fun to watch younger
generations tune in with that. And it really did work. But in 10 years, I had cancer. So
there was, you know, it started off a very bad string of events, let's say that I'm still recovering
from by far. Hello, Mary. Nice to see you. Great to have you here. I think we're going to be
talking pretty soon from what my schedule tells me if you're the right Mary Benion. So I look
forward to that. And so, yeah, there's there's the guru grift, right? So this is when people
get on their seat. Actually, seat was a very common word in that context that the seat of
knowledge that you're coming to sit beside the guru and to absorb the guru nests and the space
and meditate from this high lofty place as you set your sights for enlightenment, right?
So this was the plot. And it all sounded good. It's like, yeah, get me some enlightenment. I want
that stuff. Yes, Mary, aka Diane. Oh, that's it. That's it. Okay, thank you. Appreciate that.
And so within the context of that, that meeting, which I want to say, I, you know,
I can't just run around. It's almost always like this. I can't just say, oh, this guru
bad, even though he did some bad shit, he really, he really did some bad shit. But I made good on it.
I luckily was not personally victimized at all. Maybe just the money thing. I did pay some dough
eight times to that organization. That's like really little. You won't, you won't probably
find it at all. And so, you know, being close to that guy, you really did have a unique experience.
It was, it was like it got you high. And I used to think that was so great when you got high.
And I don't hate it, but I see through it now. I see through it more that, okay,
something makes you high. It's a state of consciousness. It's, you know, like sleep and
dream and waking. And we recognize the difference between the high and the low feelings of, you
know, or the experience, the state of mind that we're in. And you definitely got high around this
guy just by sitting close to him, whether you talk to him or not, or, you know, whether you
got any deep knowledge or not, whether he answered your question or not, there was a highness to it.
And when we get high, especially when we've been low, there is the propensity or the, the tendency
to get attached to that highness. And then to further attach to the person who appears to
be giving you that highness. So it took me a lot of years to recognize this because it was, I did think
being high was the goal. It seemed good. It seemed right. You know, I still, I still love high energy.
Who can't love high energy, but it is a trap. And I know very well now. So I'll probably talk
more about that in a bit. Kind of all over the map. I didn't make a huge lot of order to
my notes today. So forgive me if there, I'm a little bit all over the map. But, you know, in, in
the end, we did discover that this guru was for sure grifting, right? So he charged, he didn't
personally charge, but he had his people come and charge you, I think it was, I don't know,
$300 a month or something like that. Not like really intense, but enough. And that was, that
was a lot back in those days. And, and then it turned out that he was also a sexual abuser and a
pedophile. Right. So we always would pride ourselves that we have the good guru. Everybody else has
a bad Swami, but we have a good Swami. He's the, he's the good one. We're the lucky ones.
We're the golden children of the good Swami. And, and, and it started coming out. In fact,
it landed on the Canadian Globe and Mail Saturday edition, Life Section, a big story expose on
this guru that you might be able to find. I didn't, I haven't tried to find it. It was,
it was pre-internet days, but those things can make it on the internet anyway.
And so when this story came out and enough people had come forward at that point, some brave
women that had been part of the whole sexual abuse thing started putting their hand up in a little
bit of a Me Too way, but not in a, you know, Me Too became a very weaponized kind of cult
unto itself where a lot of men got harmed. And a lot of women, you know, just looking for,
for revenge against men in general, use that kind of thing. So this, this was,
this was different than, than getting really brave to come and say like, Hey,
I've had some bad experiences. And what happens in a cult when people start to come forward?
Do you guys know? When they start to say, this wasn't okay. My hands up. I am risking everything.
This happens in our society. I mean, it's a classic thing that if somebody gets raped,
then they go under the magnifying glass and they, you know, it's very, very hard to turn around and
press charges because you know what you're going to go through in the process as if the experience
itself wasn't bad enough. But then you guys know how it goes, right? This is, this is just,
it's, it's a kind of a gory situation where the law often is more appearing to protect the
predators than it is the, the victims, so to speak, but the victims also very much abuse the
system. So in a way it can be, it can be fair. Hello, Eliza. Nice to see you. The rest of the
cult members sacrifice the whistleblower. Exactly. Exactly. And the reason for that
is because why? What would you have to do if you listen to the whistleblower?
What would you need to do, say, as one of the cult members? You might have to empathize with them.
You might have to feel their pain, which is empathy. You might have to face your cognitive
dissonance that you thought this guy was the perfect guy and he's your savior or he has all
the answers or you feel good around him. That alone, right? Just the good feeling. We lust for
that because there's so many bad feelings that we have. And so yes, that's exactly what happened.
The cult members turned around and exactly sacrificed, attacked, called out these whistle
blowers, said, oh, they're not evolved. They don't have enough enlightenment yet.
Even on the other side, they started making reasons and excuses. This might have come from the
Swami Himself and it might just have been an invention of His people that they said,
oh, these victims, they needed that abuse. They needed to go through a terrible experience or
repeated terrible experiences because that's often how these things take place over years, over time.
And they needed that for their spiritual evolution. They needed that in order to grow.
And this is one of the biggest abuses of all. I do consider spiritual abuse to be
the highest level of abuse that there is. Physical is bad, emotional is bad, but spiritual,
I think this can leave scars that will last potentially lifetimes. What do you guys think?
So yeah, they attacked and they took down the whistle blowers. But
for those of us that had, say, less investment, I was going there every year. I considered myself a
disciple of Swami Shyam, was his name. But I was more of an outsider. I would come and go.
I didn't live there full-time. I wasn't special to the Guru, meaning he had me doing special
work for him called slave labor. I hadn't been singled out like I was special. There were a
lot of special people. They had particular roles. And people would clamor for that, to be a slave
to the Guru, that that was somehow huge advantage to them. So I was kind of lucky. And I even
tried to be one of those women that would go to see him every night. I did not know what
was happening. I just thought, oh, something special is going on. I'm special. I want to be part of the
special thing. Well, honestly, the divine was really looking after me in that case.
And yes, spiritual abuse, exactly. So yeah, this has happened many times in my life where I
wanted something or I wanted someone or wanted to be part of a situation. And
one of the names for God in Sanskrit, or the divine, I don't know, God is problematic,
translates into the permitted. It would take me a few minutes off hand to find that word. I don't
think I have it right in front of me. Close, but not close enough. But nonetheless, this is a
beautiful aspect of God that certain things are allowed to come into fruition. You have a
desire. You maybe let the desire go so that you could actually have the thing. But if the
divine is going, it's a no, actually. It's just a no that's not going to happen. I don't care
how much you work for that, how much you want that, how much you release and deprogram around that
to speak my own language. It's just a no. It's not going to happen. And this was one of
those situations. I was spared. I was spared, I tell you, it was like a miracle, even though in
those days it was like, oh, no, you know, I want to belong with all of these women that, you know,
I didn't know what was going on behind the scenes. I'm wondering if I was not allowed in there
because I had already done some sort of rebel acts against the recruiter that I dealt with
that was my first contact for this cult. And he also was in the range. Now I really hope he doesn't
see this. I don't think he will. But he was also, you know, something of a of an abuser. He had
a lot of different girlfriends at the same time. And he never told anybody that he had a bunch of
them. And, you know, they consider themselves to be like Krishna. And, and then their gopis,
which are the goat herders, or the cow herders, which are often women, I guess. Anyway, they
called us gopis. Like we were the group of gopis chasing, the mythology says how they would,
you know, run after Krishna and want to be with Krishna. And it does point back to something
really interesting and valid. And it's that sacred love affair between the masculine and the
feminine. And there is something real that real in that. But what they did in this cultural context
was to use it as a way to abuse people to take power over them. You know, usually, usually
women, I don't know if men ended up in that situation with a guru, it's possible, but probably
not quite like that. And so I had called them out, I was, I was willing to be the
whistleblower, I was willing to get some of that abuse myself. And I did. And, you know, I was
challenged. And I was sort of, I was sort of shut up. And I, I let it go for the time.
But maybe that's why I wasn't welcome into the guru's inner most circle, because I was allowed
mouth and to this day still maintain that kind of position to a degree or another. I feel
like I'm much smarter about it now. And try to go at it really purposefully. Like what is the
purpose for me? What is the purpose for them? What is the purpose for other people? Is there,
is there, is there enough of one? Is the squeezing of that lemon worth the juice?
Or not. And so, yeah, it's often the lure of a guru could be with things that make sense and are half
true. And, you know, if, if, if he was just perfectly forthcoming, and he said,
yeah, I'm just in it for the money and the sex, then that would have been new information. Then I
would have taken that in and went, like, is this my beautiful guru? Do I need to travel to India
at great hardship and expense every single year to be with a guy whose priorities are
getting the grift and the girls? No. Right. So they have to keep those things kind of under
wrap. They have to blur. This is what Satanists do. So I ended up staying up last night watching
something that someone shared on the House of Freewell Telegram chat, which has been super active
right now. And they, they shared a movie about the Illuminati. And I have to admit,
when I first saw the video, I'm like, okay, yeah, like we've all, we've all learned
about the Illuminati by now. We all have a sense of that, you know, about free masonry, you know,
the symbols, you know, how they invert things. But I decided just out of out of courtesy,
because it's one of my members sharing it, I decided to watch it anyway. Well, it turned into a
really good one. And it wasn't a whole lot of stuff that I didn't know, but it was really
well put together. I could probably find the link. If anybody's interested, you can hit me up
on the King Hero chat on Telegram. If you guys are there, I can grab all those links. Let me see.
You have to be a member to join the House of Freewell one, but you can always find me on Telegram.
I'll just share a link to the direct chat. This is where I spend a lot of my time
out of convenience. It's just a nice thread to be able to follow, have good conversations.
And nobody takes my posts down, although they do take my emojis down,
just so you know, if you're on there and you've made comments, and you think I'm ignoring you,
I'm not. Darn it. Yeah, I can turn around. I'll just, you know, give a love or a like
or whatever, and I'll go back and they're all gone. They're like, ah, looks like I'm not there.
So don't think that. And you're welcome. You need to learn about them guys. Yeah, yeah.
So then where was I headed with that point when I interrupted myself? But yeah, the luring with
half truths, making sense to good people. And this is the thing that I notice,
makes me right away think of Scientology, how good people are attracted. And they have to speak
some truth, or they have to speak a lot of truth. They have to speak at least 80%, 90%,
95% truth. I might sneeze. Excuse me. Try not to do that right in the mic.
And if they don't have that truth, and it's the same in our truth and freedom spaces.
This is something I'm going to have to really reflect on, do we start taking apart the truth
cults? It would be good, but it's dicey. I, you know, again, don't want to be a predator
in this way. Hello and welcome, Maya. Great to have you here.
So yeah, they need, they need not only the half truths, they need more than half truths and they
need to make sense to people who are basically good people. So that's always the way that meant
that my white bearded guru, he had a ton of good things to say. I'm now going back.
There's some kind of retrograde. I'm heading for a Saturn return in 2027, and I'm gearing up for it.
So I've gone back to things like the Bhagavad Gita. This is actually his translation.
And I learned enough Sanskrit so I can read the sounds properly. And I did a lot of music
writing. I've got four CDs of mantras and verses and that kind of thing. You can find them on
major platforms like iTunes and Spotify. And I've been able to make use of that kind of, you know,
my work has always been building on itself, leaving some things out, taking some new things on,
but it really is just an expansion. And it's all about knowing who you are, right, that is
beyond our body, beyond our thinking mind, beyond our senses and what we can grasp from there,
and beyond language, what we can say with our words and why you would turn to Sanskrit
to be able to express things that are harder to do with our maybe more colloquial languages,
which it's not perfect anyway. Oh yeah, I was,
okay, gonna try to stay focused here. So I was talking to you about the movie on the Illuminati,
which is really good. So hit me up for that link. It is a good one. It's time well spent.
I took tons of notes that are across the room, of course. And so what I picked up from this
was really interesting because this last year, I did a talk on the marriage of the opposites.
And every time I'm asked to do a talk, I do a little PhD on the subject. I spent a lot of time
and a lot of energy and I just poured my heart and my soul into this thinking it through and in
some ways reinventing the wheel because I know, I think my discoveries are not necessarily new,
but I am coming at it from my angle, which is new and fresh. Hello Jackie K, nice to see you.
And so a lot of the subject of this video was about the opposites, about how and this is inherent
in our language. We got an up, we got a down, we got a cold, we got a warm or hot. We've got
light, we've got a dark, we've got a good, we've got an evil, we've got a life, we've got a death,
right? And so these are positioned in our mind. I'm going to find, I do have a stage copy of the
recording of that talk, even though I nearly dropped dead for most of Anarcapulco, I came to
in the last day and the stage manager like put me on stage said, do your talk. It's like,
okay, I came all this way to do it. So I did. And it was really satisfying. The most
satisfying of all was doing a demonstration at the end of the talk with some participants
who it totally worked on, even though they had never had any time with this work whatsoever.
It's so beautiful when it just works and you don't need to believe anything or have any
big body of information for it to work. It's very practical. And so what I learned
from this video was that the, the Satanic version of that, or that it was saying it's
the Gnostic version of that. And I've got some good Gnostic friends. So that's Tacey, but you know,
in, in this case, they're talking about opposites. So, so the classic one being good and evil.
And we want our people, especially our gurus to be in one of these two categories,
and you want them to be good and you don't want them to be evil, of course.
Now, in reality, most people are some kind of mix. But what happens in our psyche is that these two
opposing things, so people that saw the good in my guru and then the people that demonized
my guru, these two realities were there right in front of us, demonstrable.
And then so that creates a lot of tension between these opposites in our own psyche,
of course. That's where the tension is. It's the only place tension really shows up.
And so that, that opposition, it, what it does is it gets you on the pendulum swing
between good, is he good? And is he evil? Is he good? Is he evil? Is he good? Is he evil?
And it's, and it's demanding that you land in one of these positions so that you could
relieve the tension. But like every map of consciousness, which a pendulum is,
the purpose of that map is to teach you that you need to get off the map. You need to be free
or you need to know that you're free because as long as you're on the pendulum or you've
glommed onto one end of the pendulum, which you have to do and hang on by your fingernails
and ignore any other evidence that would come your way that might sway you to the other side
of the pendulum, it's very painful. Say I had been a victim of this guru and I would have that
wound and that pain to the degree that I do, then that would torture me because any good
that I got out of that experience would fly in the face of my ability to, to make him evil.
And so without needing to qualify that this, this is something if you look in all of our movies,
all of the literature, you know, it's actually become so boring for me this fight between
good and evil. Our, now I've been tasked not to say this anymore, controllers
or the controllers or those that see themselves to be the controllers that are not the real
controllers, but that do lord over us in a lot of ways. They are very invested in us being on
the map in one way or another, whether it's the pendulum of opposites or the scale of emotion
where we go up and we go down and we're all around or on the map of archetypes and the patterns that
people end up locked in. And so what I noticed is that that pitting of those two against each other,
here's, here's what the Satanists did with it or the, the Gnostics is, is their marriage of
the opposites is so crap. It's not real. They're talking about merging the opposites. They're
talking about now marrying sounds like that too. Right. So it's, it's pretty easy misunderstanding
in some ways. They're talking about blending and blurring the opposites. So in this example
of good and evil, what do you get when you blend and blur these two qualities? You get a mess.
Right. You don't get clarity. You don't get anything.
Boy, this is so highly nuanced. I probably, I don't know if I'm going to be able to do this justice
might deserve its own, its own thing, but many of the opposites are not true. For example,
light and dark. There's no such thing as dark. There's no entity. You can't take a dark particle
and give me one, but light is real to the degree that it's been agreed upon that, that
light is a thing. And dark is only the privation of light, the absence of light to the degree
that there is an absence of light. And even if you have the pitch blackness, but you strike
one match, it's going to be felt in all of that, in all of that darkness. Right. So the darkness
really isn't there. That means light and dark do not oppose each other because it's not there.
And that is the beauty of doing this actual inner work, not just pushing around furniture on
your Titanic mind to think it through, because otherwise then the Satanist makes sense.
And that's how they have taken, say, the opposites of man and woman or masculine and feminine
and have, you know, married them for the hopes of what ascension? This is satanic. This is,
this is, I've been in this, in this conversation for quite a while around myth busting ascension
spirituality. Right. So then these, when you really investigate the opposites and the tension
in the opposites, you often realize that they have an, either they are an illusion or there's an
aspect of illusion that you have created with your thoughts, your feelings, and the programs
that hold them in place. And I can't just tell you this, it would be hard to believe it is
a direct experience, but that I've had many, many times, not just with myself, but many clients as well.
So when you really investigate, it's not about blending and blurring and taking away
the natural womaness or the natural manness. You don't want that. We want, we actually want
strong polarized men and women. We want men and women who are really women. We want men
who are really men. And guess what? They work perfectly together. There's no
match more amazing than a man and a woman, and they know that. Right. So if they come along and
they try to blend and blur, you don't do this naturally. That's why they need chemical castration
of children. That's why they need costumes. That's why they need makeup. That's why they
need to affect their voice. That's why it requires chemicals in order to alter. That's why they
pumped the beer and alcohol into the system, because that is estrogenic and it feminizes men,
for example. That's how they tamed, was it the Jesuits tamed the monks from being real men?
They got them all soft and fat and took the masculine testosterone dominant man out of the picture.
Hello, Michelle. Nice to see you. Glad you're here. And Emile said,
not the good girl, nor jasmine or cults to consciousness might be ladies to reach out
to. Thank you very much, Emile. I haven't heard of any of those, but those are great
suggestions. I appreciate it. And nice to see you. So yeah, it's fascinating how that got twisted.
And then everyone will come along if you notice this in any kind of spiritual circles, and they
talk about how, well, the good and the bad, they have to coexist. There would be no good
without bad. Or there has to be the light and the dark. You would never know the light if
you didn't know the dark. Or there has to be slavery in order to know freedom. To me,
this is bullshit. This is absolutely wrong. And my only evidence is my direct experience
inside myself that says there is a pure source that we don't need light. We often use our
problems to find solutions, but we don't need problems to find solutions. We might be,
it might be improbable that we find solutions without a problem, but that doesn't mean we need the
problem. All right. One just minute break while I take care of something. Forgive me. And I'm back
and let's see. Anyway, just being playful. Yeah, so that was fascinating. I really enjoyed
seeing that because everything sounds so true when they say that you need one to have the other.
You need pain in order to have the knowledge of pleasure. That's just wrong. It's just wrong.
And it's based on a faulty concept of opposites in our mind that is really just a construct.
Right? So this is the hope that we can see through these things and have the revelation
of the construct and see it's not what it appears to be. It's not what it's been told to be.
And I need to write some hold music. Yeah, exactly. Been watching Sarah Tomato. What a pro on her
stream yard. My goodness. And yeah, she's got all kinds of fun stuff going on. So I will evolve
that as we go along. Thank you, Elisa. And so this is interesting. Oh, I was going to set up a song.
I wonder how fast I could do that. So what I noticed, especially after extricating myself from
the cult, I was actually sick with cancer at the time. And the guru helped me get through some
of that, which was fascinating, right? One of those experiences that could have been easy to
ignore. And so what I noticed is that people want to give their power away.
They don't even want their power. Because why can these guys be predators on the people?
Because people want to be prey. They want that. And this is a pretty harsh analysis for some
people that, you know, that might make no sense to them whatsoever. But so I'm going to do a little
experiment. And I am going to I'm going to share a song on Spotify here and see if I get a strike
for it since it's my own music. So I'm going to have to stop that one and pull up my Spotify.
Is it going to work? I don't know.
Somehow. Oh, it lets me share sound now. Excellent. So I think this will work.
You guys. Brave browser can access, allow, got it. Bear with me.
If I have a guess, that's okay. All right. So here is my song called secrecy.
And I wrote this after getting out of the cult off of my Where There's Beauty album.
So I'll just play it since I don't know how to make it a nice big window, but we'll just play it.
Let me know if you guys can hear that, please.
No one knows what they're seeing to politicians, physicians,
creatures and goddesses we give a power away.
So
we on our contracts on our own freedom we give a power away.
And
and if they knew what you knew what you do behind doors might not and this is in your mind.
And there you have it secrecy. So that's a little experiment. I haven't been able to play my music
on this channel, but that oops one second Spotify just keeps playing. And
yeah, so that that kind of says it all the hook is a good time, right? The hook is a good time.
And the sadness is in your mind. So you get something that you want, right? You get to in my case,
I got to feel high around this swami. I got to feel like I was moving towards enlightenment.
That's my idea of a good time or you know was
you know, so I was hooked. There was this I wanted the thing.
And therefore I was going to give myself over and I was going to trust the guru,
which is a very childlike thing to do where we want to trust the guru or we want to,
you know, and then people that the pendulum swing. Oh, just trust yourself. No, no,
trust the guru. Trust yourself. And there's a pendulum neither are true. That's one of the
soapboxes I like to get on. And and then this it was classic whenever you had a problem in that
cult, they would say it's in your mind like this. And there is some truth to it being in your
mind. There is some truth to that because there's a component that will be your thoughts. It
will be, if you consider that to be your mind, your emotions, it will be your programming. It's true
that all of that will interact with it. But it ends up used as a way to justify the injury that's
being caused. Very, very, very common where they try to spiritualize and then and then
spirituality becomes a weapon. Because yes, there is something in your mind, but there's
also something real going on and something real and wrong. So yeah, yeah, that's a good one too.
That one just sums it up for me with I always want to turn to that song. I don't know if I can grab
a link for you guys. Let me see if there's a quick share would be the simplest thing to have a
share, download everything, share, here I'll share. This is a Spotify link to the entire album. And I
recorded this after my India days were done and I was just
fresh out of my, is it remission for the first time or the second time? No, it was the second
time because I had to get that stuff out of me. I thought it might die with it in me and then
that would be a bad thing. So yeah, the war between good and evil. This is fake and gay. It's not
really what we're doing here. It just keeps us on the pendulum of being afraid of the evil and trying
to get to good and these need to be unpacked and to see the truth of the reality behind it
that when you actually truly marry those opposites, they discharge the meaning on the polls.
So I'll leave it at that for now. All right, so now why do cults have any power over us? I can boil
this down into four primary reasons. And this will be true of any cults, like for example people in
that get into the Hollywood cult and they go on that trajectory of like, oh, I'm going to be famous
and a star and everybody's going to, and this is the important part here, everyone is going to
love me. This is the promise of one of what I call the root programs. It says,
if you want love and approval from people, you are or yourself or anyone, you have to want that.
You have to first believe the lie of that, the lie of lack of that and then be driven
to get the love and approval of people at all cost. So every cult depends on this programming.
You must want their love and approval in order to be part of the group, to be included, to be,
you know, a valued member of the cult, to not get kicked out and extricated from the cult.
You must get their love and approval. How do you get their love and approval by doing all the things
that they like, that they prescribe, right? So there are so many situations where people
are in the midst of those, you know, churches are very common cults for this reason, where you've
got the abuser or the abuse going on in the back end, you know, maybe it's the priest, maybe
it's somebody in the congregation and they're abusing somebody else, maybe a child,
and then you get the whistleblower, but the whole congregation turns on the whistleblower as we've
already been talking about. Why do they turn on the whistleblower? Why? Because they want love
and approval and they are driven by this hunger that is absolutely insatiable. You cannot
fulfill a program. The more you fill a program, the hungrier the program becomes. I want to stipulate
that this is not an outside entity, I'm not talking about a being, I'm just talking about how you've
organized energy in a kind of architectural way in your system composed of thoughts, feelings,
and then these underlying programs. And so that's how they hook people. If you want love
and approval, you're going to do whatever they say. And it often has an incrementally ramping up
kind of thing, where you'll do this thing for love and approval, and you might even internally
decide, I'm not going to do more than that for love and approval, but then they raise the
stakes and then you have to do more for that love and approval and you start digging yourself
in to this place. A lot of different ways, right? When people express their disapproval
of you, they are withholding their love and approval and that's another way to activate. No
one can give you that program, they can suggest you run that program. We have to internally agree,
we have to tacitly agree to the program and we do it ourselves. We're not really,
we can't be programmed by anyone else. This is my paradigm that I come by.
We have to make an unconscious choice. So that's a really big one. When you want
love and approval, it makes you at the mercy of cults. So this is something to be really aware of
and it's something I teach a lot about. I was going to let you guys know I actually have a new
course, a newly revamped course called Deep Programming 101, where I go really deep into
these. And I do actually have a sign up link for anybody who's interested since I mentioned
it last time. And I heard from a few of you guys, so there is a link to that. And so the
second reason that people are really super vulnerable to cults is another program called
Wanting Control. This by the way is from the work of Lester Levinson, if you're trying to
trace this at all. And that program says that you don't have control, therefore you need to
want it, you lack it, you need to fear not having it. And so a lot of people will get into
a cult, a group, where there's a kind of group think, where there's a certain predictability
going on, where there's a code of being, because it has this illusion of control that it's going
to somehow give you control over your life. If you were to go against a cult, you would probably
experience being out of control, you would probably get that kind of feedback, again,
maybe disapproval, the chaos that can interrupt. But what is even more poignant about this program
and cults in particular is what one of the iterations of this program is the desire to
be controlled. That's like a real kicker when you find that inside yourself.
There's not a rebel out there that's going to admit to wanting to be controlled. That would
be stupid, that would be antithetical, that would be the opposite of what we're trying for
here in the Truth Movement especially, is wanting to be controlled. Now you may be able to
withstand wanting to be controlled by the government or the police or authorities or the legal system
or that kind of thing, but then you find the cult and then you want the cult to do your thinking
for you, you want them to take responsibility for what's going on and that desire to be
controlled is very easily taken advantage of and manipulated. That's one to watch out for
very unconscious, if this just sounds like gobbledygook, it's because it's hidden, hidden away,
but I promise these are ubiquitous, everybody will see them. The next reason that people end up in
the cult and loyal to the cult, maintaining themselves and their status in the cult and
long after they know the cult's not good for them, by the way, is the program that says
you're going to die. The program says you must want survival and safety in order to withstand death.
Well, it doesn't work, the program is useless, everybody passes, all of the bodies go from
existing to non-existing, that's this kind of realm that we're in, but the cult will promise
that you'll be safer in the group. I think a lot of us were very vulnerable in 2020 when we got pushed
out of our family circles, out of our work circles, out of our friend circles, maybe out of the
cults that we already belong to that you just couldn't hold your tongue anymore or you couldn't
take it when everybody's like, which jab did you get? I know this visor and Johnson and
all this kind of, you just couldn't take it, you probably let yourself not be in that cult,
but you might have been vulnerable to joining some new cults along the way, because they promised
some kind of safety in the chaos and the lack of control that started that year exponentially.
It wasn't the beginning, it just was a major like ramping up.
So definitely easy to take advantage of people who are scared to die, that's why they scare the
hell out of us, but we can end up doing that to each other as well and promising this what we
can never deliver because why you're not God, you're not the divine who can give and take life.
And then so the last reason, the fourth reason, the fourth big one is the last of
what I call these root programs and it's wanting oneness and wanting wholeness.
And this is the thing, my episode on belong is there's some overlap here in this that we desperately
want to belong. That's very much a child kind of a archetypal thing as well. We want oneness,
we want, we want, you know, it seems like connection, but the connection is taking two
things and connecting them. Oneness is different, right? True oneness is off of the map of one
plus one equals connection. That's more math, that's more the satanic side of it, but this oneness
that we want drives us to be what? The same as other people, right? That's the whole
ruse of communism right there. They want everybody to be the same. They want you to have like one,
not many leaders, just one leader and they want you to have one currency, not many currencies.
They want you to have one way to think, right? It's now become illegal to say all kinds of
things under hate speech laws. We're in that time. We all know it. That's not news to you
and this want for oneness. It's such an advantage if you can learn to see and release this because
when you don't want to be one, you basically realize you have the experience of being that.
You already are that. That's a punchline of every program. Although there's so much detail
and nuance. I won't go into that, but it is in my course. And let's see what Emil said here.
He said, moon webs journey into the mind of a cult by Josh Fried is a great book, Canadian writer.
Oh, interesting. I might be able to track him who that wrote about the moonies. Ah, yes. Yeah. Yeah,
do name, do name. I totally didn't remember the moonies until you just said that. So that's
great. Another good tip. There are just so many cults. It's it's stupid. And
and then yeah, that I was seeing how
the that same program tells you to want for wholeness. And we do have an experience inside of
ourselves of being fractured up. That's what happens through injuries and traumas in at the
level of the psyche where some of the pains that we've been through at certain times of our
life were too strong to go through with an undeveloped nervous system as a child, for example,
or as an adult, it was just too much that happens, right? I'm still healing the trauma
of cutting this finger nearly off. I'm still healing it's been it's been a while. I took
another pass at it yesterday. I think I think it's mostly it's mostly good. And it's I even
played guitar the other day for about 12 seconds with this finger. And after 12 seconds is going
to go gay, okay, okay, okay, that's enough now. But that's a massive breakthrough for me.
And so this injury of getting fractured is is what tells us to want wholeness, where parts of
ourself need to be cloistered off, meaning, you know, the energy of the pain or the reaction,
mostly the programming that you put in place during the injury or as a result of the injury or as you,
you know, contemplate it or try to suppress the pain of the injury.
And so it drives us into this into this place. It's what me it's what made me see that the
wholeness that communists offer is really assimilation, not wholeness at all. And it's
based on that promise of ascension. Because if you can assimilate and assimilate and assimilate and
assimilate, and reduce down that it has this, this idea that that's where enlightenment is going to
come from, from all of this sameness. But it's really a program. Right. So
you can let me know if that makes any sense, you guys. So I'm excited about getting a few
little nuggets that I didn't have before. This is another element of cults is secrecy back to that
song that I was playing on that exact theme. And this is where privacy gets weaponized. And
have you ever been sworn to secrecy, not to tell people about certain relationships or
certain experiences or certain awarenesses? This is a big red flag. If people are asking you to be
secret about your friendship or your anything like that, then there's something wrong going on there.
That is an abuse that happens to children often. Oh, let you know, even my son, my dad was my
his dad, not my dad would say, Oh, don't tell your mom that we went for ice cream or we went
for, you know, did something that she wouldn't approve of, which it wouldn't be the end of the
world with ice cream for me. But and then, and then swearing that child to secrecy with the lure
of the ice cream or the thing that they want, that is very abusive. Because then they have to hold
the knowledge of something inside themselves. It creates a distance. They have to distance
themselves from that person that they have a secret from that is when when the cult is going to tell you,
you know, don't don't tell the rest of the people that we all have this kind of like,
you know, orgy every night or whatever it was going on. I wasn't there. I didn't see it.
Thank God. And I'm just wondering, why do I even have a memory in my mind of something though?
Why do I have a memory? My goodness. Okay, that's something all together different,
might be having a little awakening here. Maybe I was part of observing something
in that cult. But, you know, the prompt that needing to swear people to secrecy is such a
heavy intense weight and a burden. And it's exactly how the perpetrators keep doing it
is because they don't talk to each other. They don't know what's going on. They don't know that
they're all being abused. Why? Because that would fall apart, right? If everybody
understood what was going on. If it was done in openness, nobody would condone it.
That it must go into secrecy. And when you make anything a secret, you're also making it
unconscious. Whether you're asking somebody to keep a secret for you or you're keeping a secret,
you actually have to push it down out of your awareness in order to cope. Because if you
keep having that secret, you keep having that thing top of mind is going to create tension.
It's going to create the desire to express or the need to express. And so they rely a lot
on that secrecy in order to get by. Definitely the sign of an abuser. And if anybody has sworn
you to secrecy on something, then I think you should tell someone right away. Let's ask that.
Acting like your mama here. Emil said he describes how easily most people become brainwashed by a
cult only takes a few days no matter how intelligent an individual is. Even if you know a group
as a cult can still be sucked in. Yep. Yep. Because what do you think, Emil? Is it because
we all have our price? I remember I was thinking about the earlier on in the pandemic I used to
get approached by the Asman Nation members often. I'm just trying to remember if Emil,
you were involved in that or not. Maybe it was somebody else. And they would come at me
from a variety of different angles and they would seem to send different people. And
there definitely was a UN connection. And I've learned enough in the meantime to extricate myself.
But it was a kind of cult. And they lured me with fame. And they said that if I brought forward
the knowledge of, you know, like it was something different at every time that
they were going to take Canada from the Queen or I don't know. I barely hold on to the details
anymore. But it was that I was going to be this emissary of this knowledge coming forward. And
I was going to be famous. And they were going to put me up on a pedestal and I'd have a front
row seat to heaven or whatever kind of thing. And when I started getting those promises of
fame, I don't know why I did. I remember walking up to my window that night. And I heard these words
and they said that this time around, I am unfuck withable. And I realized, okay,
they're fucking with me. They're trying to blow smoke up my butt. They're buttering me up. They
are trying to lure me with something they think that I want. And I didn't want that. And I just
started turning away from it not with any big fanfare. I didn't have to call anybody out. I just
removed myself quietly back out of any kind of dealings with them. And I've been affirmed in
my choice. So it's a sign. You know, when people try to blow smoke up your butt, they
want you to feel good about yourself. They love bomb you. That's a classic thing. Some people are
so vulnerable to love bombing. Why? Because they're starving for love. Because they run that program
that says they don't have that and they need to get that. And I have done enough work for 25
years to be able to recognize it. You know, who knows, maybe I'm going to get tested and
someone's going to come along and try to give me something that I really want more than fame or
whatever, you know, they're going to, it's probably going to be something about my work. This is,
this is a place I can still be seduced. So I shouldn't tell the internet this. But
if you express in a really what seems to be sincere way about your interest in my work,
then I might end up, you know, doing a little dance with you. If you, if you have bad
intentions, then I might end up in a little bit of a dance. I ended up getting taken advantage
of last year around this time. I was taken for money by somebody in the truth community. Hit
me up to find out who it is. I'm not going to say it out loud on this one, but I'm also not
withholding who it is if you need to steer clear of a predator. And so that's how I can
be seduced. And I have to watch out for that, that if you express really sincere interest in
healing and growing and doing the hero's journey and going free, then I'm probably going to let
down my guard a lot with you. So just so you know, I didn't take advantage of me, but I'm learning.
And yeah, group think it was interesting, somebody on our private telegram house of
free will was saying that they don't believe in collective consciousness. So this was a new idea
to me just because I've gone forward with the premise that collective consciousness is a real
thing. And that's where you get group think and high of mind from where we saw this in
technicolor. I mean, there's no, there's no denying it that everybody chirped safe and
effective. And they put poison crap in their body, because of the group think, and it was almost
impossible to step outside the group think for a time. Because you're, you know, our societies
were demanding it, I couldn't go to a restaurant, I couldn't go to normal places in society,
which luckily I really don't want anything to do with anyway. But you know, and the group
think it basically it comes down to it's not so much collective consciousness, it's the collective
unconscious, where the programming is where it holds all the power, and and the promise of
survival. So, you know, to go against the group think always is a psychic threat to your life
and very difficult to do. Lisa said we're all sort of love driven kinder spirits,
spirit types, so passionate, etc. Sometimes you worry about the online warnings of love
bombing. Yeah, you worry about them say more about that if you like. Yeah, there, that's how
people do it. It's, it's always suspicious when I sometimes I'll get people in my world that
they just, oh, Beth, you are the bomb, you are the one. It's like, oh, everything you do,
every word you say, oh, oh, oh, and they're just always and now I'm going like, okay,
let's wait for it. That's also a program. That's also an opposite that can be married. And it's
called love and hate. And those people almost inevitably turn around and hate you sooner or
later. If you haven't noticed this already, it is like clockwork. So yeah, the love bombers,
it's like, you know, I don't know how to put an end to that sooner because
you don't want to tell a love bomber that they're going to hate you sooner,
later, they might hate you in that moment. Maybe you should speed things up.
Esmond tried to recruit you as well because you thought they thought you were independently wealthy.
You're laughing at that. You see how they treated Matt Unceded, who was a member at the time,
abused their own member for thinking for himself. Yeah. And then he became a major voice against
it. I didn't, I did, I did hear he was in the cult. I heard he was in the cult at the
same time as he was speaking out against the cult, but who, who the heck knows about that?
That machine is creating a fear of human inspired love. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. That's, that's the enemy because that's love with no opposite.
There's no tension in love, zero tension in love.
Right. It has, there's nothing to oppose it. So there's no tension.
That's how you know what true love is. It can't turn into hate. That's, that's the programming.
And it's just too bad we only have one word for that experience.
So yeah, back to, back to my, my cult, one of the ways that they keep you in the cult
is by making sure that you don't have important relationships like marriages,
like man and woman. So he recommended there were some couples in the cult,
but he would recommend they don't live together even when there were children. So they would have
two homes and there's, there can be a certain wisdom to that. I bet some marriages would
last a lot longer if they didn't live together. They didn't have to, you know, deal with
each other day in, day out and all of that kind of thing. But he was actively trying to keep
the couples from being too close. Why? Cause then he wouldn't have power over both of them
or over that whole family. And he told me directly, he gave me the advice that I'm
not the marrying type. So he may have cursed me to this day. I don't know ring on my,
I'm doing this finger, I guess. So yeah, let's see the fact that one of the founders is big into
MLM, which is another cult. I know like it's endless how, yeah, the MLMs definitely a cult.
Those, those people are like cults on bees for the most part. I'm sure there's exceptions,
aliens, alternative health tags, spiritual, savage, roman, romance with spiritual,
savage romance. That one I don't know. Spiritual, savage romance. Never heard of that. That might be
an arena I haven't come across yet. And yeah, so that was a big part preserving the women for
his own fun rather than having them get very, you know, into intimate relationships would,
would take the women away from the guru. How convenient. I think I already told you
guys, I lost a roommate to cancer who was in the Japanese cult, the Japanese Buddhist cult
Soca guy. Did I say that correctly? Soca guy, something like that. Socai ga,
one of those two, maybe somebody knows that's here already. And when she was diagnosed with
cancer and she was bleeding out, her cult told her, don't go for treatment. All you need to
do is chant. Just sit there and repeat the mantra over and over and over and over and over.
I still have it in my head because I was living with her and I would hear this constant like this.
And then what happened? She up and died. Right. And did those cult members show up
at all in her end of life or anything like that? Nope. They washed their hands. Why? Because
they had blood on their hands. How dare you give advice like that to anybody? Because you can't
know for them what the cure is. And the way they were using mantra, this, this is a little
bit of overlap from another episode. It just numbs you out. And it makes you dumb as a bell
that you can't see basic things. I don't know that she could have done anything differently.
I don't know that she would have survived if she had done anything differently. But what she did
didn't work for sure. 100%. And yeah, so let me just check out what else I've got here. We listened
to him. So, you know, some people might say that I follow, you could say I follow the work
of Lester Levinson or I've studied with his students. And I have certified in the process
that they put out and I use it a lot. I've integrated it in my work big time.
And some people would say that his thing was a cult. From what I understood, his goal was to
make it not a cult because he saw how people gravitated towards him, how they wanted to be
around him. They were trying to give their power to him. They felt good around him because he
was fully awakened to love and to freedom. So the story goes, I didn't actually
know or observe that, but I nonetheless have gotten immense amounts of value out of what he's left
behind. And I did hear some stories that he wasn't all perfect and there was some money stuff and
some land stuff and very typical where there's groups and cults and, you know, and then they
get into ownership and then there's like grabbing at the assets and, you know,
that not very spiritual kind of thing. But I don't know. It's not much like a cult.
Maybe I was in a cult and I kind of got kicked. I guess I got kicked out
because I didn't follow their exact rules and they would go to my Facebook and look at pictures
and say like, no, Beth, no, no, we can't have one of our teachers
doing a body painting event and dressed like a mermaid at the time. And it was like, it was a no.
I didn't get their love and approval and luckily at the time I didn't need their love and approval
and I didn't need to stay in that cult under their power. They were interesting. They set me up
when I was at one of the training retreats and these people started a rumor that I was
doing drugs. My boyfriend and I were doing drugs and we weren't because we were in America and we
can't, we can't do any of that stuff there anyway. We might have, but we didn't and we can't
and we weren't. But they had that, you know, that was sort of like the group came against
us and they said, oh, we had a meeting about you. They meet about you. That's creepy to me,
really creepy when you're not even in on the meeting. So yeah, that was a little, that was a
little culty. Let's see if there's anything else. I think this subject is, like I said,
I'm considering to do some specific ones like, what about the yoga, the yoga cults? I wouldn't,
I wouldn't go deep into these, but I'm going to cover them now.
And so when I came back from India and I had my three years of fighting for my life behind me
and I needed to start my life again and I didn't, I knew I wasn't going back into the business world,
but I didn't really know what I was going to do. So I got out there and I started teaching
yoga and meditation and doing workshops on archetypes and stuff like that. And then it turned out
there was like a whole yoga, yoga cults going on. It was in the days before just two seconds
before yoga became popular. And there was a studio popping up on every corner and it just
became the everything and people were clamoring for yoga equipment and they thought it was so
something. And honestly, the amount of pride and division and competition
and posturing, excuse the pun there, the branding competitions, the constant comparison of who's
spiritual and who is not going on, who's honoring the tradition of the master who was,
you know, potentially an abuser and a pedophile and all that kind of thing
anyway, but it was all this lineage stuff where you got your authority from a lineage,
which you have no way to verify was even a good thing or not. And yeah, there's,
they were some of the least kind and compassionate people I ever circulated around.
And it wasn't until my, I think my dad's death, when I just saw it clearly, they couldn't,
uh, people, people like broke up with me because my dad was dying. It was just like, wow, that's,
that's interesting, isn't it? So yeah, that's whole yoga cult. I'm sure you guys might have been,
might have been, um, part of that or in on that or maybe not. And yet to be continued,
Lisa, there was the John friend cult, Anusara yoga. He got, he ended up getting charged with
all kinds of sexual abuse and shenanigans going on that whole movement. It was like ginormous
and it fell apart. I was part of, um, Patabi Joyce's cult. If you guys are into the yoga world at all,
you might be familiar with Patabi Joyce. He is considered to be the father of Ashtanga yoga
in Mysore, India, where I just happened to go. I literally, I like Mysore. It was in the
plains of India. It was a beautiful little city. It had amazing markets. It was pleasant
to stay around. It was very tropical in the south of India.
And I tripped on one of his students in a different place when I was on the beach,
which made me want to go back to Mysore. I ended up studying with Patabi Joyce
every day. It turned into a little bit of a coup because there was, um,
he turned into a super celebrity guru international. And I knew him when he was just having nine
people in his little tiny hovel of a, of a space, and he would come and sit on you and put his full
weight of his body on you, which was no little thing. Actually, he was, he was a big guy with a
big gut, which is weird for a yogi. And, um, he made me cry several times and he would,
he would go to adjust me and he'd say, okay, now don't cry like this. He didn't have almost any
English. It was super cute. But behind the scenes, same kind of corruption, right? If this is where
you start to ask the question, does power corrupt? Absolutely. Does, uh, you know,
is this inevitable when people get into positions of power and influence
when they're surrounded by people who worship them and who want to be controlled by them,
who want to give their power away to them, then it's pretty hard to withstand or it would,
it would be an effort to withstand that. Although you must, you know, you, you can't just,
because the people want you to be the guru, you can't, you can't power over them. There must be
some intelligence in you, but I mean, it would be hard to, um, withstand. So then, yeah, he became
again, you know, charges of, there's no exceptions, right? These, these gurus, these swamis, these guys,
they, they all ended up corrupt in, in one way or another. And, uh, so I was part of that,
but I got out of it before I didn't, they, I was never personally abused other than he made
me cry just because I had so much trauma coming up in my first experience with yoga, especially with him.
And, uh, Neil said, I don't insult people for questioning reality, but Effie, oh, there's a
cult. There's a very big cult right there. And this one requires Effie, if you don't know what
I'm talking about. I'm risking here, of course, but, uh, if you, there are circles, I've been
kicked out of and even this year where if I'm just there to learn and I'm still questioning and I
haven't come to hard conclusions, I was out like immediately just, just to say, Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm,
I said, I'm still learning to the leader. And then, and then he immediately removed me from
the telegram group and it was like, Oh, learning is not acceptable. You need to be like full on
positioned in the same way that all the other group think people in that arena think, or you don't,
you don't get to learn. You don't get to be part of it. You don't get to be friends with those people.
It's like, okay, fascinating. Right. So this really, so they taught me, it really is a kind
of cult in that context anyway. I know, like it, you know, that another modern cult, if you
can stomach it is seven, six, four. I haven't heard of that one. Online predators targeting
targeting children. Oh God, that's awful. I have not heard of it, but that would be a good one to
research. Thanks, Emil. You are a wealth of knowledge on the topic. So yeah, then there's
the Scientology and the Elron Hubbard, abusing people to subjugate. I do recommend a movie
called Going Clear, which is a really good expose on Scientology. What's going on there
and, you know, how they managed to save themselves billions of dollars on taxes and
how they took advantage of and really broke the spirit of good people and, you know, very classic
separating the parents and their children or that's, that is a classic cult thing where they
take you out of your family or environment or they demonize your family. So you become separate
from who would otherwise be a sports system, who you would otherwise go to and let them know like,
hey, I've been told to be secret about this. Is that, do you think that's cool? Like you always
have your inner circle where you can turn to and get some sound reflection. And that's exactly what
they don't want you to have. So they need you to be an outcast that makes us rebels actually
quite vulnerable to those kinds of things because we easily like that role of being the outcast or
the outlier, right? I consider myself to be an outlier among outliers and that seems to be just
like an accident and that I study with someone so gross. I know, I know. Yep, it's craziness.
Yeah, they attract good people. I'll say to my, to my defense. And then they suck you in with their
80% or 90% good. And then when you're trapped, the bad stuff can start to happen. Although,
again, I've been spared so many bad experiences. It's just like miraculous.
And then what happened to me after I had the bad experiences around the cults is
that I got allergic to joining. I had this idea that, okay, I'm not going to join anymore. Why
do I have to join? I'm just me. I can go and be part of all of the groups, but I don't have to be
beholden to them. I don't have to toe the party line. I don't have to be part of their
identity, which is another massive aspect of cults that they give you an identity that
you feel to lack. When in reality, we have way too much identification. This is another
tool and technique that I offer people. An out truth, I said, yeah, exactly. And so I stopped
joining, but I still wanted to be part. And how I often wanted to be part was as a teacher,
as a musician, as someone who would contribute because I felt like I always felt like I had
something to contribute. That's honestly a gift. I know some people don't have that feeling
that they have something to contribute, but I always did. And I just, even from my youngest days,
I always felt like I had something to offer. And so real innocent, I would go in like,
hey, do you want me to sing at your service or do a workshop for your people or whatever.
I was just trying to be part of all of the stuff going on. And systematically learned that
they didn't want that. First, they would love bomb me. They would tell me I was great.
They would try to recruit me, try to get me into, and I'm talking about all the mini spiritual
cults that are here in my region in Manitoba and Winnipeg. There are a lot of them. I
probably can't even name most of them. It's been so many years since I've had anything to do with any
of them. But they really, very clearly, as soon as they realized they couldn't assimilate me,
they totally rejected me. Because if you're not with them, you are against them. This is
another major sign of cults that you can't be in and out like this, right? There's no way to
do that. And so to this day, that's why I personally have created my own body of work,
my own groups, my own things like the House of Free Will, because I'm not a good joiner.
And I would go join everybody's everything, but I would be uncomfortable because
things might not be run the way I want them to be. And I'm not in a place where I could say
anything about that. And I wouldn't either, because it's not my place. I would never
go to anybody else's yoga classes. Because otherwise, I'd just be irritated about what was
going on. And I didn't want to be rude and say that to anybody. So I would just stay in my own
lane. I would do my own classes. I would do my own groups. Same to this day. I've got my own
private association. I've got my channels. And I've got my people that like that. And so I just
stay in my own lane, so to speak. And I'm going to sneeze again. Emile said, there are studies
that show power money can actually cause brain damage. Maybe that's why so many cult leaders
never knew when to stop, rather than go down in flames. They'd rather go down in flames than
cash out and call it a day. Yeah, wow, that's wise, Emile. Very well said. Exactly. Yeah.
Money power can cause brain damage. I wonder if you have to cooperate with that. Are there
people that could actively consciously withstand the effect of that? I watch in the Truth
movement when people gain a lot of notoriety, they're obviously making a bunch of dough on
their podcast or whatever. They get surrounded by advisors. It's kind of interesting how somebody
who's ascending in the power and money category, they end up attracting all of these advisors
that want to steer the king, right? They want to advise the king. They want to influence
the king. They want the king's attention. And then if the king is vulnerable, not really
that kingly at all, they're going to just start asking, am I okay? I want to do this. Am I? Is
this okay? Oh, I talked to this person. Are they okay? Am I going to be okay? If you think
they're okay, then I'll be okay, like this. And that's what you want to examine as well,
Elisa. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a really big one. Boy, that just gets dicey. That would make
me tempted to do that in the House of Free Will so that I could be absolutely free to speak.
And we do have weekly meetings there where I will say the things and I will say the names.
And I will point out those specific occurrences so people could know. So yeah,
I might be tempted to do that more in private because I'm not here to create war.
That just is a very, very big distraction for me. I got a lot of work to do all the time.
And honestly, I'm so incredibly privileged and fortunate to be able to do the work
that I do every day. It's a miracle to include this as part of my work that I come and have
this really fun live stream with you guys. And so that's my main focus, but these can also be
really important cults to know about. Emile said, never underestimate how seductive attention is,
especially for those that have been abused, live on the fringes, never got attention earlier in
their lives and their workplace. Yes, exactly. We were starved. We were totally starved of
attention. And I always think of this example. They did gory experiments on monkeys and they
gave them two options. Typical Satanists and torturers do that. One option was to get food and
water. And the other option was to have a cozy blanket that made it seem like comfort.
And guess which one the monkeys chose? They chose to starve themself out.
Fucking tragic. That is how desperately we need. And that wasn't even receiving attention. That
was like the simulation of the comfort of somebody's closeness and their attention.
So yeah, people are starving for attention. I know I grew up feeling like I didn't exist at all.
I used to hide wondering if anyone would notice if I was gone or not. They parented children by,
you know, as long as the child wasn't crying or complaining, they figured that child didn't
need attention. Right? So that's how some of us, I put my hand up and became more of a badass because
boy, did I get a lot more attention when I was doing wrongs as a teenager in particular.
And yeah, that's really, really poignant. You got it, Emile.
Removing agency one disciple at a time. Disciple and discipline. Yeah, I talked about that a
little bit last time as well. And the wire monkey experiments, I know they're really awful,
absolutely awful. But, but a very poignant example for us and how desperately people need that
need love and attention that turns into programming, which is a desperate measure.
Right? If we feel like there's absolutely no way to survive and living a loveless life is,
is, you know, a soul death, then we will program ourselves with those basic roots.
So I'm going to put this other comment up, give me one second again.
Elisa said, that's why it's better to accept love than be afraid of love bombing. Humans are
complicated, but don't turn to AI friends or some kind of wire monkey. Yeah, I know how
are people really using AI as a friend? Personally, when AI started to blow smoke up my
butt and love bomb me, I was disgusted. And it doesn't do that anymore at all.
At first it was all loving and it would like, oh, you're so smart. It would tell me, and oh,
that's so important. And oh, really, I get all of this embellishment, emotional embellishment
crap. And I'm just like, I don't, I don't want that I'm not in. And it doesn't talk to me like
that anymore. It figured me out that I'm like, I'm just, I'm just here for some research and
some facts. And I want to see what you say before I go and try to verify what you said.
AI, by the way, has been wrong about me twice. It's attributed a quote to me that I never made.
And when we confronted the AI, it apologized. He said, oops, sorry, sorry about that.
I didn't mean to do that. I won't do that again. What was the other thing? Yeah. So there's all kinds
of bad and wrong. You should search yourself on AI. It might be enlightening what it comes up with,
inventing stuff. That's what I noticed that AI is a good inventor.
But it's a fun tool. It is, it is also a tool. Pretty wild how many variables go into
building one's world worldview. I know, I know it's insane. We are immensely complex beings,
multiple at multiple levels, and possibly dimensions, although we got enough to deal with in one.
So yeah, yeah, it's staggering. It never stops being so fascinating to me to study
our own consciousness. And I can do that 24 seven because I got one right here.
All right. Let's see if there's anything that I didn't cover. It's endless.
There's the Wiccan cults. It became very popular around here to be a witch and all of that kind
of witchy culture. It became popular. You knew when it became popular and then it started
getting pumped out on the airwaves that this is some kind of social engineering going on here.
It's not it's not like grassroots Wicca kind of thing. And he said, your friend said he found
an AI generated summary of his family tree in history with mistakes. Interesting. Oh,
that's fascinating. That makes me want to do that. Alrighty. Yep. And yes, you got the Wicca.
You got, of course, the Churchianity cults. We talked about that a little bit.
And there's the health cults. Those are those are huge. So that definitely deserves its own
particular focus. Natural health cults in particular. And you might know by now that I am
not not down with this logical fallacy that says if it's natural, it's good. That's
actually a bunch of crap. That is a belief. That's a religion. That is a cult. And you want
to get the heck out of there before you have real trouble. There's the fad diet cults which are
health related. Of course, you got the political cults probably not going there myself unless
there is a fellow on Instagram who I've been tuning in with and he has a really strong
clear what feels to be true voice. And if I can find his name quickly, his name is Robin Hillier.
So you can go to my Instagram, which is Beth Dot Martins. Is it Beth Dot Martins one?
No, Beth Dot Martins on Instagram. And I barely get anybody on there at all. So it'll be fun
to have you there. And so yeah, he's really smart and he's he's calling out the
politics here in Canada in particular. So I might have him on if he agreed, but probably not for a
while. And he's a very clear voice. Everything that I've heard so far is good. And he's got a real
he's got an in it in for our government, which is great. I'd like to support him. So anyway,
that's what I might do on a political cult, but more of a king hero interview. Of course,
there's financial cults and the crypto world has become very, very culty education. It's kind of
endless. You saw Dr. Volmer share her AI review. The machine said exactly what she thought of herself
and she shared the post with Pride. She didn't realize the machine was gaming her own mind.
This is the thing, Emil. Good for you to see that. Good for you. Right. That's how we can
get so sucked in that. Yeah, that's all I want to say there. Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly it's really
well said gaming her own mind gaming. And yeah, I would say more in the private. But we're not
in the private. So well, my dears, I think I'm starting to come to the end of what I wanted
to talk about today. And I'm still open to any other suggestions, although I'm going to go back and
look at the chat for all of those that you've made, Emil, I do appreciate those.
And I do help people to discern and to de-program and become much less vulnerable to people that
either want to love from you or give you inclusion or make you feel safe or make you
feel like you belong or you're one with them and that you have a place among people that love you.
And that's interesting. Yeah, I'll just finish this thought. So I have a course. I have revamped
and put together. It's called De-Programming 101. I just learned that 101 is satanic,
but I can't change it now. I already did this. So funny. Yeah, 101 is actually harkens back to
the two pillars. Go figure and the bridge between them. So this is the name of the course that will
stay at this point. It is for people that are brand new to the de-programming work.
It's very simple, but it can be not easy, but everybody will be in a different place
with that. And so here is a link if anyone wants to look at the details and feel free to hit me up.
Hello, Mr. Biocharisma. Love bombs away. Very good. Yeah, you're good at loving. I
don't know about if you're a love bomber, but you're very loving. And those are different things.
Now, speaking of dollar vigilante, Jeff isn't doing much better these days.
Interesting. I'm curious what you think about him not doing well.
I saw he was in Egypt and taking lots of medicine and I have my opinion on that,
but AI kisses butts too much. They really do. Yeah, no, it's gross. Mine won't do it
anymore to me because I don't want that. I feel dirty about that.
But yeah, so this course is a really good way to go. The de-programming one-on-one basic skills.
This is something that I really hope and pray most people have for themselves.
Also coming up in January is going to be the maiden voyage of a course, a brand new course
called Creator Code. And this Creator Code is going to be the very first time ever. I'm calling it
the maiden voyage or beta version and I have some people are already signing up and I'm looking
for some participants that would be willing to do it for half of the investment that it's going to be
and in exchange for some feedback as we go along. If that's you, if you'd like to look into it,
you'd like to see it. I do already have a page up for it. I'm not going to share it right now.
I actually do prefer to have conversations with people about this just to make sure
that it's a good fit for this maiden voyage, so to speak, that we're going to do it the
first time. I'm going to be doing some of the flying the plane and building the plane at the same time.
Oh, look at that banner keeps on disappearing. It's hilarious. It's got a little timer on it.
It's going to be up there for another 10 seconds. And so you can reach out to me in a
number of different ways. You can email Beth at BethMartens.com. Please don't publish my email
anywhere that becomes problematic. And you could go to BethMartens.com, fill out a form,
for example, on my About page or any other page that you find. I'd love to have you on Telegram.
Telegram is always a great place to connect and do either private messaging or in the group.
And yeah, lots of ways, lots of ways to reach me on Instagram, on Facebook, Messenger,
and even X that place. Oh, yeah, X stole a bunch of money from me the other night.
I'm sitting there and before I went to bed, I saw an email come through saying,
oh, you just paid $560 to X. And I'm like, oh, did I? And I'm like, that must be spam.
And I thought to myself, okay, if that's not spam, I better, I better see that. And so what
they did, I do have a premium account over there. Why I don't know because it hasn't
done anything for me. It's like, absolutely useless. So it, it decided that they are AI,
Grock probably decided that I should be in a higher tier. They charged me more than double
what they did the last two years. And they, I didn't get one notice, zero notification.
They just took the money. And then you immediately see that they provide zero refunds
for any monies already got. So these evil guys, they just stole my money. So immediately,
of course, get on the phone with the bank and gonna have to level a dispute against X
for that. So watch out for that. If you have any, if you spend any money with X at all,
go and check your accounts and check your renewals. And I don't know, cancel at all that crap.
Emil, you said Jeff is in the Kristoff cult. Right. Right. I did see that. Yeah, mild,
mild denial on my part, bragging about giving their children psychedelics darn. That sucks.
Also, you need the Tesla $10,000. Don't you know? Yep. I have a, I have a
idea about all of those frequency machines. It's the same problem as ascension spirituality,
where we have the idea that it's going high, getting high is healing. It's not.
It's absolutely not. Now, it getting high can be the reason you choose to do the much more difficult
healing work, but it often isn't because people use a device to feel better. Right. Whether that's
a Tara Hertz wand or a Brown's gas machine with the frequencies or with the Tesla or all of
this kind of, you know, interesting. We've been flooded with frequency technology. Like it was
waiting for us because that stuff takes a little while to develop and everything.
And I think, I think it actually, I'm curious. I'm watching Jeff. I'm watching to see if his
health degrades big time. Usually it will take time, but he's in the right age range where
you'll start to see that. And sometimes like I was on a, I was on a frequency technology for a year,
and then I had a complete breakdown of my digestive system, 100% fail. And for like three months in
a row, I was struggling. This was after using frequency technology for an entire year. And it
made me realize that it was probably propping me up, making me feel better than I actually was
suppressing important symptoms that otherwise would have caught my attention and suppressing
my detox processes that make me feel good. Right. We are addicted to feeling good. That's been an
ongoing theme over the course of this discussion. So yeah. And otherwise you're stupid and you're
brainwashed. If you don't spend $10,000, I know, I know. So that doesn't go well.
And that is totally insane.
Yeah. Yeah, it's called duration paradox. I do recommend going back to the work of Dr. Garrett
Smith. We are hosting a meeting tomorrow. If you didn't hear me at the very beginning
for, for love your liver meetup, and we're going to compare notes, see where people have been at
for the months that they've been using this approach. Also in the house of free will on
Saturday, on Sunday, we're having a movie event. We're going to be watching The Prisoner,
which turns out to be pretty Gnostic and Satanic in the end, but very entertaining sci-fi,
escaping the Matrix theme, and then we'll be discussing it and seeing if we want to do,
watch the whole series or not. I'm not sure. And it is, it is fun and quirky and it's
not like depressing and sad for the most part, which I, that's one of my standards.
And then Monday, we also have a round table in law where we're going to be discussing,
discussing the myths of the private domain, of which there are a lot of them. That's Monday
at 5 p.m. This is all for members of the house of free will. If anyone would like to apply to
become a member, I will be watching for applications just in case tomorrow is of
interest to you. And so you can click this direct link. Can anyone tell me if that's
clickable? By the way, in the chat, if you click on it, if that works just for fun,
because otherwise I share out all these links and they might be useless. And the number of
interviews with Joel Schaefer, Kelsey Kenny, Alex Michael, we're going to talk self-veggio
and music and vibration and the life that they have. And I just love his voice. He's got
a very authentic singing voice. It's not affected. It's not, it's not crappy. And someone just
posted on rumble. Are you out there? You're, you're not in the rumble chat. You are in
the Bath of Fresh Air. Maybe it's a bot. I usually only get bots commenting.
Okay, we won't do that now. All right. Oh shush. Rumble said to paint in the ass. They,
they force feed you advertising there and you can't get around it. Maybe it can.
And it works. Thank you, Elisa. I appreciate that. All right, my dearest. Well, that was a good
opening chat about cults. And I look forward to maybe doing more on this. We'll see if I'm
inspired. And if I can, if I can find a good guest, that would be better because
I really am an expert in the cults that I went through more so than having been
someone who researched this arena a lot. So I know Joel has been through his cult experiences.
So I'll definitely be asking him about that next week on the 11th. But I think that's it. Oh,
there you are. It's Kimman. Nice to see you. That was, that was you. Come on. Sook, BC. Nice.
Kimman. Editor. Did you leak news, not noise? But you, okay, I'm not sure what all of that is.
But welcome. And I'm glad you were here. All right. So I think that's all for now. So much
going on. It's going to be a very busy weekend, but I'm looking forward to it. And I'm praying
for snow. So I wanted to apologize for everyone in Manitoba that if there's a whole lot of
his gainful living and he's super keen, it's so fun to watch him be that keen about working. It's
really, I don't know, that's, that's remarkable for me to, to observe him and his work ethic,
because it can be uncommon in young people these days. I know, I know Freeman, I know,
I know, I actually spoke to him recently. I don't know if you know what he's been up to.
You can go and see his, he's created a character Bunny and Bunny has been doing
writing books and making videos and music and stuff like that. So he's, he's super deep
into the AI stuff right now. I said he should come on and talk about it, but I did actually lose my
last YouTube channel right after I interviewed Freeman. So he said, no, he won't, he won't
do it anymore. Pasio would actually behave on your channel. You think so? I've never,
I've never had Pasio on, but yeah, he was, he was actually my very first thought and my only
hesitation there is that he's going to yell at me for one reason or another or yell at my people,
which I find, why are you yelling at all the people who agree with you? That makes no sense to
me. So, but yeah, I know he's got lots of valuable work and probably is the expert of all experts
on the cult stuff. And sounds like my son found purpose. I know, I know it's like, it looks good on
him. He wasn't even really overweight, but he's slimmed down and he's like, bulk and out. It's
all physical labor. So he gets to work out like crazy when he goes to work and his boss has
been picking him when there's less to do. He gets the work and he has the idea that
he's going to stay with this company and get into a management role with it and that kind of loyalty,
like, shit, you just don't really see that anymore at all. So I'm very, very happy for him. And he's
a calm guest. Okay, well, that's good to know. Do you know him? Maybe you could introduce us
after all these years we haven't actually met. So, okay, well, I think that's it. I hope
you guys have a wonderful weekend. A lot of love to you. I will set up a little...
See, I just have to stop sharing this thing. How do I do that?
First I have to do that, then I have to do that. Stop screen. Okay, so I'm going to play a song
on the way out. This is a piece that I recorded on my album called
Uh, I don't know. I don't know offhand. I think is it on the VJ, a living knowledge or something
like that? I don't know. All of a sudden, or is it on where there's beauty?
Anyway, it's out there. Okay, you're very welcome, you guys. I hope you have a beautiful
rest of your weekend and we'll see you again back by the fresh air next week. Same bat time,
same bat channel. Lots of love for now.