WEBVTT 00:02.060 --> 00:08.380 Get ready to take a flamethrower to the official narrative and learn what the elites don't want you to know 00:08.380 --> 00:11.920 You're listening to the Tom Woods show 00:18.540 --> 00:23.340 Hey everybody Tom Woods here it's episode 2743 of the Tom Woods show the great David Stockman 00:23.340 --> 00:30.460 I'm old enough to remember him from the admin the Reagan administration and because he was such a young pup in the Reagan administration 00:30.460 --> 00:36.940 He's still alive and kicking here with us. Yeah, thank goodness because he's one of the few sensible people around 00:36.940 --> 00:44.000 Who has any kind of Washington connection past or present? He served in the US Congress. He served as 00:45.540 --> 00:50.500 Oh and be director director of the office of management and budget under president Reagan 00:50.500 --> 00:54.760 My favorite story is the Reagan people reached out and asked 00:54.760 --> 00:58.240 How would he like to be secretary of energy and he said well? 00:58.280 --> 01:03.880 I'd really like OMB and Reagan said something like I'm not exactly sure what that is. We'll get back to you 01:03.880 --> 01:11.560 So anyway, and of course David's had a great private sector career since then and he he writes he edits edits 01:11.560 --> 01:12.620 He publishes 01:12.620 --> 01:18.600 David Stockman's Contra Corner, which I highly recommend David Stockman's contra corner calm David 01:19.180 --> 01:23.340 Too bad. We have to really scramble to come up with something to talk about today, but welcome back 01:24.160 --> 01:26.760 Well, thank you for the good introduction Tom 01:26.760 --> 01:31.960 And I want to point out though that I'm still young enough to be here even though 01:31.960 --> 01:37.920 You know I served in the administration way back then but it's kind of interesting the one credential 01:37.920 --> 01:41.640 You didn't mention it. I was a member of the National Security Council and 01:42.320 --> 01:49.340 During that period of time the whole, you know battle between Washington and the Iranians 01:49.340 --> 01:56.880 Got underway. Well, I didn't know that. Yes, the big event was the National Security was the Beirut bombing 01:56.880 --> 02:06.380 I was gonna ask you about that. Okay the barrel bombing in 1982 and I'll give you a little vignette here about the difficulty of 02:06.380 --> 02:10.340 let's say operating an empire and some 02:11.140 --> 02:18.660 You know a story about how government really works in the sense of you don't want to go to the sausage factory and see 02:18.660 --> 02:19.720 How they make it? 02:19.780 --> 02:23.280 Okay, so what happened was Reagan got 02:24.160 --> 02:34.100 bamboozled into putting US Marine troops into Beirut as a peacekeeping force after the Israelis had 02:34.980 --> 02:41.340 invaded southern Lebanon and the civil war which had been going on for years was 02:41.340 --> 02:46.920 Rekindled into a pretty violent form now. It was you know, it was really a mistake 02:46.920 --> 02:49.200 He got talked into it by the usual 02:49.720 --> 02:53.180 striped pants diplomats from the State Department and 02:53.860 --> 03:02.680 Of course then this tragedy happened because actually the Marine barracks there was hardly guarded at all one truck loaded with 03:03.740 --> 03:09.340 You know bombs blew up the barracks and a lot of lives were lost 03:09.340 --> 03:13.360 now the reason that I mention all of this is that 03:13.960 --> 03:19.360 One it shows how we constantly get into trouble by thinking 03:19.360 --> 03:25.160 We need to run an empire with forces positioned all over the planet with bases 03:25.800 --> 03:33.440 with a you know massive navy and all the rest of it and the danger of it is that it 03:34.300 --> 03:34.720 basically 03:36.220 --> 03:39.740 allows elected politicians the 03:41.280 --> 03:49.100 Opportunity to meddle in affairs around the world that really do not affect our homeland security in any 03:49.100 --> 03:55.020 Fundamental military way and this would be a good example. Now. Why am I talking about Beirut? 03:55.160 --> 03:58.880 1982 the hundred and eighty-five Marines that were killed 03:58.880 --> 04:04.920 I'm talking about it because every speech you hear from the neocons in the last four or five days 04:04.920 --> 04:08.000 Every time Trump opens his mouth. It's about 04:08.760 --> 04:14.560 You know 47 years worth of Iranian war against the United States 04:14.560 --> 04:20.780 We're not stopping starting a new war. We're ending one that they have conducted 04:20.780 --> 04:25.780 And it all began with the bombing of the Marine barracks in 04:26.580 --> 04:31.100 1982 and that has nothing to do with the Iranians 04:31.100 --> 04:36.760 So, you know the Iranian Revolution had barely happened at that point at that point 04:36.760 --> 04:45.440 the Iranians were in the midst of a war a vicious war that had been launched against them by Saddam Hussein and 04:46.260 --> 04:48.620 A lot of viewers probably don't have 04:48.620 --> 04:52.640 Either the knowledge or the historic memory because they're not old enough 04:52.640 --> 04:55.000 but Hussein was being armed 04:55.400 --> 04:56.940 supported and 04:56.940 --> 05:03.640 His forces were being targeted by the United States with the help of the CIA and our 05:03.640 --> 05:09.600 Satellite surveillance and so forth. So when that happened the Iranians were 05:09.600 --> 05:16.920 Let's say mildly miffed at the United States because we were enabling Saddam 05:16.920 --> 05:18.840 to carry on 05:18.840 --> 05:21.420 brutal chemical warfare 05:22.120 --> 05:28.380 against their military out in the deserts of Iran in the middle of 05:28.380 --> 05:30.320 1982 and 05:30.320 --> 05:38.360 They were losing the war. They were failing and one of the reasons they were failing was they had a whole big 05:38.360 --> 05:41.080 Military they inherited from the Shah 05:41.620 --> 05:43.140 But it was all it 05:43.980 --> 05:46.580 Consisted entirely of the United States 05:47.210 --> 05:53.540 supplied equipment at 14s M 60 tanks and everything in between and 05:53.540 --> 05:58.140 In their wisdom Jimmy Carter and then frankly Ronald Reagan 05:59.120 --> 06:02.540 continued the policy putting embargo on 06:03.320 --> 06:11.700 Shipping any spare parts any maintenance material to the Iranians after the whole hostage crisis of 06:12.120 --> 06:14.980 1979 which is another whole issue we can get into 06:14.980 --> 06:20.720 So I would say at the moment they saw the United States meddling in another 06:21.340 --> 06:27.440 Islamic country, which Lebanon was both mixed Christian Islamic the majority Islamic 06:29.160 --> 06:36.440 Supporting an attack brutal attack on them both by the arms embargo and 06:37.000 --> 06:46.120 Supplying directly military intelligence that told Saddam where their forces were out in the desert and what to target 06:46.680 --> 06:50.860 They were in a bad way because their military was mainly 06:50.860 --> 06:52.840 You know idle 06:53.800 --> 06:58.160 immobilized dysfunctional because a lack of spare parts and they had 06:59.000 --> 07:05.760 Resorted to that terrible thing that maybe some people remember was called human wave attack 07:06.620 --> 07:07.780 You know 07:08.580 --> 07:13.800 Operations where they sent young boys 15 16 18 and huge 07:14.400 --> 07:16.280 Waves right into the 07:16.880 --> 07:17.400 battlefield 07:19.120 --> 07:24.300 Areas that were mined or in the machine gun fire or into Air Force 07:24.300 --> 07:29.960 You know attack so it was a bad situation and they were mad 07:29.960 --> 07:36.800 But that I'm talking about all this because it gives the setting for when this all started 07:36.800 --> 07:41.700 And if you look at the facts, it's not clear to any you know 07:41.700 --> 07:48.200 I would say to an objective observer that in 1980 or 1982 the 07:48.900 --> 07:51.720 Iranian new Iranian regime the mullahs 07:52.500 --> 07:55.980 Launched a 47 year war against the United States 07:55.980 --> 08:03.480 I would say rather we were meddling in an area of the world in Lebanon in Iran in Iraq and 08:04.000 --> 08:10.480 You know other countries in the region Egypt where we had no business being there and we got ourselves 08:10.480 --> 08:11.440 cross-wise 08:12.040 --> 08:15.780 Into a fight that wasn't ours and whether they 08:16.440 --> 08:23.520 supplied, you know the material to the bomber who then drove the truck into the 08:24.400 --> 08:27.960 Barracks or not as it's a historical debate 08:27.960 --> 08:31.040 But the point is if the Marines weren't there 08:31.040 --> 08:35.940 This tragedy wouldn't have happened if we weren't meddling in the Middle East 08:35.940 --> 08:41.780 We wouldn't have gotten in the middle of a war between the Iranians in the Iraqis if we hadn't 08:42.920 --> 08:49.520 Undertaken a coup in 1953 by the CIA to throw out the elected government 08:50.340 --> 08:50.960 mosa day 08:50.960 --> 08:59.600 You know, we wouldn't have had the 20 year reign of the Shah that the country wouldn't have been pilfered 08:59.600 --> 09:05.800 the Sabbath wouldn't have you know ruled with an iron fist in the country and 09:05.800 --> 09:09.420 Created the Iranian Revolution that happened 09:10.180 --> 09:16.240 Even if you go to the and I think this is all important background even if you go to the 09:16.800 --> 09:24.260 hostage crisis now a lot of people probably vaguely remember that because it ended the day Reagan was sworn in and they 09:24.260 --> 09:26.520 agreed to release the hostage but 09:26.920 --> 09:33.780 You know the Iranian young students three or four hundred students took over the embassy in 09:34.380 --> 09:37.520 1979 held about a couple hundred 09:38.200 --> 09:43.400 diplomats and employees hostage and this battle went on for 400 days 09:44.760 --> 09:51.540 As some may remember Jimmy Carter tried to rescue them sending in a you know squad of 09:51.540 --> 09:58.600 Helicopters and special forces in the middle of the night that their helicopters broke down in the desert. It was a fiasco 09:58.600 --> 10:04.500 And that all you know set the table for 40 years 10:04.500 --> 10:09.160 that followed there after but the point was 10:09.780 --> 10:11.780 the students took the 10:12.820 --> 10:14.460 Embassy and the 10:15.060 --> 10:21.520 diplomats hostage and their demands were threefold and they weren't all that crazy when you look at it 10:21.540 --> 10:28.280 In the high hindsight of history one they wanted this Shah who had fled to the United States 10:28.820 --> 10:34.860 Extradited back to Iran so he could face justice for you know the massive 10:35.840 --> 10:40.040 Economic harm that he had done during his reign 10:40.700 --> 10:44.160 second there was about 20 billion or so 10:45.020 --> 10:49.680 Foreign deposits that had been pilfered from the Iranian state 10:49.680 --> 10:52.680 They wanted those monies back 10:53.200 --> 11:00.480 And third they wanted an apology for the CIA coup that started the whole mess and put the Shah and the 11:00.480 --> 11:06.560 Throne back in 1953. Well, we could have easily agreed to all three of these 11:06.560 --> 11:14.980 but why didn't we because the people running policy in Brezhnevsky was you know Carter's 11:15.520 --> 11:18.560 chief advisor at the time and he was a 11:18.560 --> 11:25.060 Empire first or if there ever was one said that this can't stand we can't allow these 11:25.640 --> 11:30.500 Terrorists as they called them. They were just students and kind of look young religious fanatics 11:30.500 --> 11:37.520 to throw around the mighty United States and so they refused to negotiate the 11:38.580 --> 11:44.300 hostage crisis went on it was an excuse for the kind of 11:44.900 --> 11:48.540 Incipient neocons of that era and the war hawks 11:48.540 --> 11:57.400 In the military industrial complex to make a big case of how humiliating this is some students have taken over our embassy 11:57.400 --> 12:03.840 We've got to rebuild the military and that's that all led to the build-up of the military in the 12:03.840 --> 12:05.740 1980s, so that's a little background 12:05.740 --> 12:13.480 but my final point on this I think is the most interesting and that is that after the 12:13.480 --> 12:15.340 Marine barracks 12:15.960 --> 12:17.560 attack and 12:17.560 --> 12:22.260 The you know terrible death of all those soldiers that occurred 12:23.000 --> 12:28.100 There was a huge debate inside the administration about what to do 12:28.100 --> 12:36.460 And I was at several of those meetings and I recall one very well in which a debate was going on between different 12:36.460 --> 12:39.560 forces the National Security Council the State Department 12:40.280 --> 12:48.280 Cap Weinberger who was Secretary of Defense as to who was actually responsible for the attack 12:49.000 --> 12:56.900 Where were they located and what could we do to retaliate and punish them and 12:57.800 --> 12:59.040 sort of the 12:59.880 --> 13:02.060 consensus that came out was 13:02.960 --> 13:07.820 That well, they're hiding in the mountain. You know Beirut is 13:07.820 --> 13:14.280 There's a ring of mountains around Beirut and it goes to the sea so all around the exterior 13:14.820 --> 13:17.840 is a ring of mountains called the Shoof Mountains and 13:18.640 --> 13:22.420 the consensus was that they have retreated to 13:23.120 --> 13:26.820 the Shoof Mountains they're hiding there and 13:27.580 --> 13:32.260 so then the next question he came and this is the absurdity of it, but 13:32.260 --> 13:37.160 It I think it puts it puts a perspective on this whole thing 13:37.720 --> 13:42.120 It was well, how can we get at them in the Shoof Mountains? 13:42.600 --> 13:48.420 Because we don't have any other forces and the Marine barracks was wiped out and then someone had the 13:48.420 --> 13:54.260 Brilliant idea one of these probably I think was the NSC that the New Jersey 13:54.840 --> 13:56.680 Battleship is right offshore 13:57.320 --> 14:04.160 outside of Beirut Beirut at the moment and then the question from President Reagan began 14:04.980 --> 14:06.260 was well 14:07.160 --> 14:13.880 He knew the New Jersey has these big legendary guns big Bertha kind of guns and 14:14.660 --> 14:19.620 What is the range and can we hit them from the New Jersey? 14:20.780 --> 14:21.460 and 14:21.460 --> 14:27.220 So the answer from someone who seemed to know was their range is 30 to 40 miles 14:27.220 --> 14:36.280 But be anything beyond that is pretty tough. So the next thing I know the Secretary of State George Schultz and 14:36.280 --> 14:44.120 And aid were bent over this big map that was laid out on the cabinet room table of the greater 14:44.640 --> 14:45.780 Beirut area 14:46.400 --> 14:49.260 putting their fingers on where 14:50.200 --> 14:54.920 Shoof Mountains were on the one end and where the battleship 14:55.120 --> 14:58.840 New Jersey battleship was located right offshore and 14:59.500 --> 15:03.540 Testing that against the scale of miles on the map 15:03.540 --> 15:07.880 To see whether or not the New Jersey guns could hit the target 15:08.460 --> 15:12.080 Everybody I got some bad news for you, but then also some good news the bad news 15:12.080 --> 15:18.160 We're living through historic deficits persistent inflation and a Federal Reserve that can't unwind what it's created 15:18.160 --> 15:23.220 That's why gold is back in the spotlight not as a trade, but as real money. 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That's monetary hyphen metals comm slash woods 16:08.320 --> 16:13.180 Now this you know, this is a bunch of grown men fumbling around 16:14.460 --> 16:17.940 Because of a situation that never should have 16:17.940 --> 16:22.660 Occurred or unfolded in the first place the brain shouldn't have been there 16:22.660 --> 16:27.080 There shouldn't have been a bunch of people in the White House cabinet room trying to figure out the range 16:27.960 --> 16:31.800 you know the New Jersey battleships big guns and 16:32.320 --> 16:41.660 You know, there's the rest of it became history because that event and they cited over and over as the opening 16:42.440 --> 16:43.200 you know 16:44.000 --> 16:45.900 battle in a 16:46.260 --> 16:50.620 47 year attack by the Iranian state on 16:50.980 --> 16:54.680 America now that that isn't a one-off 16:54.680 --> 16:58.900 That's just the beginning of the whole saga that unfolded as 16:59.460 --> 17:06.380 The Iranians became the number one target of BB Netanyahu. That's how he stayed in power by demonizing 17:07.000 --> 17:10.860 The Iranian state I have no brief for the Iranian state the 17:10.860 --> 17:17.140 Theocrats are you know pretty miserable old men who do a lot of bad things to their people 17:17.140 --> 17:24.620 But they have never been any serious threat in any way shape or form to the security of the United States 17:24.680 --> 17:27.500 And we have gotten into this 17:28.160 --> 17:30.280 47-year struggle 17:31.280 --> 17:36.600 simply by being pulled in as a proxy and is a 17:37.240 --> 17:39.080 backup to the 17:40.400 --> 17:41.160 Netanyahu 17:42.000 --> 17:42.820 You know 17:43.680 --> 17:47.980 Endless war against the Iranians now if you go back to that time 17:48.680 --> 17:53.380 There was a some phrases that were used that I think are pretty interesting 17:53.980 --> 18:00.400 The real battle at that time until then this is 1982 again, and I know we're doing a little history here 18:00.400 --> 18:02.020 But it's probably worth it 18:02.020 --> 18:10.450 The battle before then the Israelis battle had been against the near enemy and the near enemy with Syria and 18:11.160 --> 18:15.060 Egypt on either side of Israel on the coast 18:15.060 --> 18:17.460 but Netanyahu but those 18:18.100 --> 18:23.860 Issues had been patent patent down added down. Let's say a plate substantially 18:24.280 --> 18:30.380 when Jimmy Carter at least was able to negotiate the deal was Sadat, which took 18:31.160 --> 18:36.040 Egypt out of the battle off off the map and 18:36.940 --> 18:37.660 the 18:38.560 --> 18:45.040 Cold War had moved to a point where the Russians were less than eager to support 18:46.040 --> 18:52.260 Syria and Assad's father actually so suddenly the excuse 18:53.440 --> 19:01.680 That the Israelis had always used that they couldn't settle the Palestinian problem because they were surrounded by enemies and 19:02.180 --> 19:06.720 The potential for war to break out at any moment had abated 19:07.160 --> 19:08.140 substantially and 19:08.740 --> 19:09.200 therefore 19:10.080 --> 19:11.100 the young 19:12.140 --> 19:18.400 Netanyahu who was ambitious as they come and is you know, I think as ruthless as they come 19:18.400 --> 19:24.500 Said well, we need a new enemy in Iran way over there a couple thousand kilometers 19:25.140 --> 19:28.080 might be just you know, just the 19:29.380 --> 19:37.060 Take a cape that we need and so this whole demonization of the Iranians began as 19:37.950 --> 19:44.460 Basically a political slogan that Netanyahu built his whole career on the 40 years 19:44.460 --> 19:46.640 dominating Israeli politics 19:47.170 --> 19:52.440 Israeli policy and sucking us in time after time after time 19:53.020 --> 19:54.120 into a 19:54.740 --> 19:55.620 You know 19:56.220 --> 20:02.260 Conflict in the Middle East that shouldn't have happened in the first place and that we never should have been involved in 20:02.260 --> 20:08.800 Now here. We are have 2026 and it's just another episode of the same 20:09.620 --> 20:16.020 We'll get into that in a minute, but let me let me chime in on the Beirut thing for just a second 20:16.020 --> 20:18.900 So I have this habit David of 20:19.540 --> 20:25.740 Asking the kinds of questions that bring a hush over a cocktail party like no one was supposed to ask that question 20:25.740 --> 20:31.180 So I I do ask because I I don't think I'm being impertinent to ask 20:31.180 --> 20:32.340 When people tell 20:33.400 --> 20:40.380 This talk about this historical episode. I always want to know why was there a US Marine barracks in Beirut? 20:41.260 --> 20:45.580 In the first place, you know a normal country wouldn't have had that so yeah 20:45.580 --> 20:49.800 That doesn't make Iran in the right or whatever just forget it 20:49.800 --> 20:52.620 We don't even have to get to that level. There's no reason to do that 20:52.620 --> 20:55.560 But the second thing I want to know is if you were on the National Security Council 20:56.120 --> 20:57.480 did you hear 20:58.500 --> 21:00.480 from Reagan after 21:01.180 --> 21:04.480 The bombing of that barracks or the the the car or whatever 21:05.010 --> 21:05.900 Did you hear 21:06.530 --> 21:11.820 Him say anything about we have to get them out and here's why or it was a mistake to go in 21:11.820 --> 21:15.980 Did did you get any briefing related to how he was going to respond to that? Yeah 21:15.980 --> 21:19.580 Yeah, let me try to answer both questions. The first one is 21:20.250 --> 21:25.220 This was the genius idea of the state department because they decided 21:25.890 --> 21:30.540 That it wouldn't be good for stability that it wouldn't be good for the empire 21:31.180 --> 21:37.180 If a hot war continued between the israelis and the remnants 21:37.630 --> 21:43.860 Of the government in lebanon and by then as you remember in 1982 israel invaded 21:44.250 --> 21:48.880 Led by general sharon who was one of the great ox who proceeded 21:49.580 --> 21:50.380 Netanyahu 21:51.660 --> 21:55.640 Invaded and occupied southern lebanon 21:56.470 --> 21:56.920 because 21:57.600 --> 22:02.660 The plo at that point in time had been driven out of 22:02.660 --> 22:07.520 Jordan where they had their base camps and southern and had 22:07.520 --> 22:09.820 Ended up in southern lebanon 22:10.280 --> 22:12.000 where there were huge 22:13.080 --> 22:20.200 refugee camps of people that had fled from palestine in 1948 and years beyond 22:20.780 --> 22:24.760 And settled in southern lebanon. So it was a 22:24.760 --> 22:29.080 A hotbed of both palestinians 22:29.720 --> 22:32.240 activists from the plo as well as 22:32.760 --> 22:34.800 tens of thousands of refugees 22:35.540 --> 22:42.620 And in the conflict that developed the sharon said there's only one way to solve it. We got to go 22:43.160 --> 22:46.100 Uh in occupy the area and clean it out 22:46.100 --> 22:50.320 You know the kind of phrase that we've been hearing for the last 40 years there, you know 22:50.320 --> 22:53.300 Once and for all they're going to fix the problem clean it out 22:53.540 --> 22:55.100 but that 22:55.100 --> 23:01.980 Created so much attention that the state department decided that we can help 23:02.220 --> 23:05.220 an international peacekeeping force 23:06.180 --> 23:08.300 Interject itself between 23:08.800 --> 23:10.260 the non 23:10.940 --> 23:16.560 Shea population, which was southern lebanon and the other 23:17.380 --> 23:19.200 groups in ethnic 23:19.780 --> 23:20.440 groups 23:21.290 --> 23:26.080 In lebanon because there was christian. There was a christian maronites the so-called 23:26.080 --> 23:32.340 Philanj. There were a lot of sunnis. There were drus. I mean lebanon was the worst, you know 23:32.340 --> 23:33.640 polyglot 23:34.200 --> 23:38.700 Admixture of every kind of religious identity and ethnic 23:39.320 --> 23:41.660 Identity that the middle east had ever seen 23:42.110 --> 23:44.620 But somehow the state department 23:45.130 --> 23:49.320 Got convinced that we could lead an international peacekeeping 23:49.960 --> 23:50.360 force 23:51.240 --> 23:53.100 That we would put in southern 23:53.780 --> 23:54.420 Beirut 23:55.320 --> 24:00.340 To keep the forces separated and thereby help 24:01.600 --> 24:04.640 Facilitate negotiations that could get some kind of peace settlement 24:05.200 --> 24:10.740 Well, okay, maybe you can say they were idealistic. Maybe you can say their intentions were good 24:10.740 --> 24:16.700 But that doesn't justify why they put 240 marines in harm's way 24:16.700 --> 24:22.820 In the situation by the way, and this is another thing after all these years tom you talked about how long ago 24:23.360 --> 24:25.880 I was uh, you know involved back then 24:26.840 --> 24:31.460 As this thing emerged. I said, holy moly. What's going on here? 24:31.560 --> 24:33.420 I was hearing all these names about 24:33.420 --> 24:39.420 You know the all the whites and the drus and the uh shea all these names that weren't familiar to anybody 24:39.420 --> 24:41.120 Clearly me and I was fairly knowledgeable 24:41.120 --> 24:47.660 The code was going on the world. So I got the cia to come to my office one afternoon, right in the 24:48.460 --> 24:55.980 After this crisis to give a briefing of you know, the social economic demographic religious 24:57.000 --> 24:58.160 Uh background 24:59.280 --> 25:06.860 In lebanon, well, they stayed all afternoon and it was unbelievable how complex it was in all the historic 25:06.860 --> 25:13.900 Uh, you know, both uh alliances and conflicts that occurred between all these forces 25:13.900 --> 25:16.640 The reason I'm mentioning all this is that when 25:17.760 --> 25:26.160 The secretary of state recommended to reagan that we put marines in uh as part of the international peacekeeping force 25:26.160 --> 25:34.140 Nobody laid out this whole complex picture of uh, you know that we were uh stepping into 25:34.780 --> 25:38.100 But uh reagan got convinced uh to do it 25:38.100 --> 25:45.980 And that uh, it wouldn't you know, it would be temporary and the negotiations would then get back on track and 25:45.980 --> 25:52.160 Someone would come up with a settlement take it the united nations united nations would ratify it 25:52.160 --> 25:59.560 And uh, you know, the empire would be stable again. Okay. Nobody called it an empire, but that's that's what it was 26:00.180 --> 26:00.460 um 26:00.460 --> 26:03.740 now when when the whole thing blew up 26:04.360 --> 26:08.620 Unexpectedly because it's hard to believe but this is 1982 not today 26:08.620 --> 26:14.880 There was a marine barracks with a checkpoint, uh at the entrance of a compound 26:15.720 --> 26:20.480 Where there were a couple guards who weren't armed. Can I resell? Can I say that again? 26:20.860 --> 26:23.540 They weren't armed and the guy just drove the truck through 26:23.540 --> 26:26.820 ignited a whole uh payload of 26:27.700 --> 26:34.060 Explosives and the rest became history now the interesting lesson from that is 26:34.510 --> 26:39.420 What did reagan do in a response? Well first he was very chagrin myth 26:40.190 --> 26:43.820 Very upset about the loss of marine lives obviously 26:44.250 --> 26:48.860 But he actually wanted to know what do we do now? 26:49.680 --> 26:51.280 Where do we go from here? 26:51.780 --> 26:58.040 And how do we not get ourselves sucked in to an even, uh bloodier 26:58.700 --> 26:59.900 more long lasting 27:00.680 --> 27:01.280 conflict 27:02.120 --> 27:05.800 So after they went through the exercise I described before 27:06.220 --> 27:10.100 Trying to figure out whether they could hit the shoof mountains with uh 27:10.640 --> 27:12.520 The big guns on the new jersey 27:13.160 --> 27:16.960 Uh, you know it got to the point. This is the spring of 1983 27:17.880 --> 27:20.700 where uh, basically, um 27:20.700 --> 27:23.020 They gave him several options 27:23.470 --> 27:28.920 And one of the options was to redeploy the u.s. Forces 27:29.330 --> 27:32.760 You know this peacekeeping force that what was left of it 27:32.760 --> 27:37.560 Uh in lebanon in in um the beirut 27:38.300 --> 27:41.740 redeploy it to uh aircraft carriers 27:42.350 --> 27:44.340 In the uh Mediterranean 27:45.280 --> 27:50.980 So reagan, you know, he realized this this was really a retreat 27:51.640 --> 27:55.500 You know from the typical perspective of the time 27:55.940 --> 27:59.760 Because we were not getting even with anyone who had done this 27:59.760 --> 28:06.640 Uh, we hadn't uh found the bad guys and you know incinerated them or whatever 28:06.640 --> 28:12.720 But we were simply moving the remainder of the u.s. Forces to uh an aircraft carrier 28:12.720 --> 28:17.520 And then they moved the aircraft carrier way out into the deep Mediterranean 28:18.040 --> 28:20.580 Where there was no, you know opportunity 28:21.360 --> 28:26.460 For further engagement in this whole mess. So basically what i'm saying is 28:27.000 --> 28:31.420 Ronald Reagan retreated he realized that a mistake had been made 28:31.420 --> 28:37.840 And that you don't compound a mistake by doubling down or you know adding more forces or 28:37.840 --> 28:44.380 Sending in the bombers and all the ridiculous stuff that donald trump and his predecessors had been doing 28:44.380 --> 28:47.720 Uh, he basically justified this 28:47.720 --> 28:51.540 You know as a repositioning of the american forces 28:52.020 --> 28:55.740 And then moved on to deal with other things that were important 28:56.180 --> 29:01.680 And ultimately became you know the uh the deal with uh, um, 29:01.680 --> 29:03.660 Russia that ended the cold war 29:03.660 --> 29:06.620 So, uh, that's you know a little bit 29:07.360 --> 29:08.760 Answer to your question 29:09.320 --> 29:12.960 And it was a different time and it was uh a president 29:13.520 --> 29:18.620 I guess who had enough uh self-confidence and principles 29:19.240 --> 29:25.520 To believe that if a mistake had been made you can correct it by not doubling down 29:26.040 --> 29:30.860 But uh by moving on and that's that's we haven't seen much of that 29:31.480 --> 29:37.980 For decades and decades now. No, we sure haven't and in fact, I would say over the past week or so 29:38.540 --> 29:44.340 What we've heard it from a lot of people not just lindsay graham is the strong implication 29:44.980 --> 29:49.040 That unlike donald trump reagan and all the others were just wimps 29:49.040 --> 29:53.140 Who didn't want to take on the the perpetrators of the 47 year war 29:53.800 --> 29:56.180 Because obviously the correct response to the 29:56.800 --> 29:59.940 Again the what the absurdity of a u.s. Marine barracks in bay root 29:59.940 --> 30:05.000 But the the correct response should have been a bloody rampage through the whole region apparently 30:05.560 --> 30:06.980 Yeah, and we're gonna do that 30:07.560 --> 30:11.080 Hey everybody last month at my mastermind meeting which was held this time in the virgin islands 30:11.080 --> 30:13.220 I spent some time with a guy you need to know 30:13.220 --> 30:17.920 If you're a business owner or you're a high w2 earner paying at least 40k a year in taxes 30:17.920 --> 30:24.420 Matthew Cersely is someone you need to meet. He's a brilliant tax attorney who loaths the irs as much as you do 30:24.420 --> 30:28.140 You won't have to justify yourself in front of matthew. Oh dear sir 30:28.140 --> 30:33.540 This is why I would like to keep some more of my money if that's okay. Matthew's one of us. He's been on my cruise 30:33.540 --> 30:38.380 He's been at my murder mystery parties as I mentioned. He's in my elite mastermind. 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You've heard the speeches in the last couple weeks 31:55.710 --> 31:58.580 Last five or six days, whatever it's been 31:59.130 --> 32:07.280 From the maga spokesman from trump himself from hegseth from from uh rubio and the others 32:07.770 --> 32:16.560 That they have been committing terrible acts against americans for 47 years and it all started with the marine barracks 32:16.860 --> 32:19.600 But the real lesson for us on the 32:20.120 --> 32:24.620 non intervention side and on the pro p side is 32:25.120 --> 32:29.680 The real lesson is we never should have been there. It was a huge mistake 32:29.680 --> 32:37.180 We had a president who was man enough to recognize it and uh take appropriate action and get out of there at the time 32:37.820 --> 32:41.200 And uh, it is not any kind of 32:41.680 --> 32:44.540 indication whatsoever that a war started 32:45.170 --> 32:49.460 That the iranians conducted against the united states for 47 years 32:49.460 --> 32:56.820 And now we finally have to put it to an end now the other point. I guess we can get into it some length here is 32:57.580 --> 33:04.900 47 years late. They weren't a threat then obviously the iranian regime had barely gotten its feet on the ground 33:05.510 --> 33:09.540 the radicals and the uh, you know the hard line 33:10.500 --> 33:17.160 Theocrats komany had taken over because of the uh hostage crisis and the uh, 33:17.720 --> 33:20.580 You know the inflexibility of the united states 33:21.000 --> 33:27.760 But here we are 47 years later and we have a situation where 33:28.500 --> 33:31.640 You know the the attack 33:32.140 --> 33:33.020 has been 33:33.620 --> 33:37.140 Justified on the grounds that iran is a tremendous 33:37.700 --> 33:42.320 military threat that was ready to start a war against the united states 33:42.840 --> 33:44.200 any day until 33:44.900 --> 33:45.960 trump had the 33:46.820 --> 33:49.020 alleged good sense to take 33:49.580 --> 33:53.040 You know pre-emptive action now the truth is 33:53.480 --> 34:00.520 The iranians have no missiles with a range greater than 2500 kilometers 34:01.580 --> 34:05.560 And in the world, I don't know why they use kilometers, but that's what they measure 34:05.560 --> 34:08.620 So let me put it for our viewers 34:09.410 --> 34:15.620 To get to the from uh tehran to get to the strait of gibraltar is 5000 kilometers 34:16.110 --> 34:20.680 So basically they can get halfway there with the biggest baddest 34:20.680 --> 34:24.900 longest range missiles they have to get to washington dc 34:25.410 --> 34:27.460 Is 10 000 kilometers 34:27.460 --> 34:33.120 So basically they can barely get a quarter of the way there now. That's the first point 34:33.120 --> 34:37.160 No threat whatsoever from their missiles and that would be the leading force 34:37.600 --> 34:42.900 The second thing that's very interesting is why are their missiles limited? 34:43.420 --> 34:45.740 Why do they have the maximum range of? 34:46.520 --> 34:51.680 2200 kilometers because the answer is it's the policy 34:52.260 --> 34:57.300 It was the policy of the ayatollah and the clerics who run the place 34:57.760 --> 35:03.480 That they shouldn't have any greater range than 2000 kilometers 2500 35:04.320 --> 35:10.900 In order to signal very clearly to the great satan as they call us on the other side of the atlantic 35:11.380 --> 35:14.200 That we have no ability and tension 35:14.640 --> 35:19.500 Or purpose to attack the people of the united states and that those 35:20.240 --> 35:23.340 Missiles were basically for their own self defense 35:23.340 --> 35:27.580 Because obviously they'd been attacked over and over and over again 35:28.240 --> 35:33.320 By the israelis over the decades that netanyahu has been in power 35:33.320 --> 35:39.280 So that's the first point second point is do they have any long-range bombers that could put some payload 35:39.280 --> 35:43.680 Even if it was a suicide mission, you know on 35:44.380 --> 35:45.980 Pisaac, new jersey or 35:46.660 --> 35:50.460 You know some other coastal city in the united states 35:50.460 --> 35:53.640 The answer is no they have no long-range aircraft 35:53.640 --> 36:00.160 They barely can get you know out of the persian gulf with the relics of old soviet air 36:00.160 --> 36:01.520 aircraft or 36:01.520 --> 36:10.620 United states f14s or f15s that they purchased during the Shah Shah's era era 36:10.620 --> 36:14.340 I mean, they're five how many years is that they're 50 years old 36:14.340 --> 36:19.660 Okay, they barely they're very barely flight worthy now the navy 36:19.660 --> 36:27.480 Okay, they had a navy that allegedly is at the ocean bottom now or the persian gulf bottom as trump has been 36:28.460 --> 36:34.520 Bragging about but their navy was basically consisted of little patrol 36:34.520 --> 36:41.120 coastal patrol boats that are glorified speed boats some one or three man subs 36:41.500 --> 36:43.060 and a couple of converted 36:43.780 --> 36:44.860 tankers and 36:45.660 --> 36:50.740 Containerships that passed for aircraft carriers that could maybe carry a couple helicopters 36:51.680 --> 36:55.880 And a few drones. That's what they had now when we look at navy 36:56.470 --> 36:58.120 There is one good metric 36:58.910 --> 37:05.060 That is a shorthand way so you don't have to go through all of the details and the extensive 37:05.720 --> 37:06.680 you know 37:07.430 --> 37:08.640 facts that 37:09.320 --> 37:18.240 Involve this and that is what is the displacement tonnage of the ships that you have the warships that you have available 37:18.240 --> 37:26.980 because the displacement tonnage basically tells you how big the ships are and the size of ships are important in terms of the 37:27.700 --> 37:35.280 Lethality because how many planes can they carry off their aircraft carriers? How many guns and missiles can they launch? 37:36.040 --> 37:37.140 if they're 37:37.770 --> 37:39.300 Other kinds of 37:40.540 --> 37:41.320 warships 37:41.320 --> 37:46.980 Well, the answer is our navy is has roughly four million 37:47.700 --> 37:49.600 Tons of displacement 37:50.310 --> 37:56.300 Because we have 11 carrier battle groups. We have all these for escort ships. We have all the submarines, etc 37:56.990 --> 37:59.260 Then iranian navy had 38:00.260 --> 38:01.880 2200,000 38:01.880 --> 38:06.800 Tons of displacement. Now, let me say those numbers again four million 38:07.480 --> 38:10.800 Versus 200,000. Okay, so it was 38:11.320 --> 38:13.540 Roughly four three four percent 38:14.220 --> 38:19.260 Their navy was three or four percent the size of the american navy. It was it wasn't anything 38:19.260 --> 38:26.040 Okay, and they're you know their threat to the persian golf was always drones and missiles anyway 38:26.040 --> 38:31.280 It wasn't the navy now so if you don't have missiles that can get even 38:31.880 --> 38:39.680 Fifth of the way to the united states if you have no long-range bombers, and if you have no blue water navy whatsoever just a little 38:40.600 --> 38:43.820 You know force that can work the persian golf pond 38:44.600 --> 38:47.760 What the hell was the military threat? 38:48.240 --> 38:53.220 Well, then they get to this but they're making a nuke now if you have a nuke 38:53.220 --> 38:59.720 I don't know what you're going to do put it on the back of a yacht and steam it over to new york harbor and 38:59.720 --> 39:01.020 Hope it blows up 39:01.020 --> 39:05.740 You got to have a delivery, but even forget that if you don't have a delivery vehicle 39:06.360 --> 39:11.940 You don't have a nuke either. I mean the whole this this this is such a 39:13.360 --> 39:14.720 Exaggerated absurd 39:15.640 --> 39:19.680 Lie that it's amazing. They can keep repeating it 39:19.680 --> 39:25.200 But the fact is the cia and what you probably know tom is their 39:25.880 --> 39:28.340 periodic assessment of 39:28.340 --> 39:35.540 You know threats threat assessments, okay, and they're called national intelligence estimates n i s 39:35.920 --> 39:42.480 And these come out periodically and they're put together by the 17 if you can believe that we have 17 39:43.140 --> 39:49.520 Intelligence agencies and they become a consensus of those 17 agencies 39:50.060 --> 39:54.260 That are issued most of them are top secret 39:54.260 --> 39:57.960 But they're issued as guidance to policymakers 39:58.600 --> 40:02.960 In what we loosely call the warfare state down in washington 40:03.420 --> 40:03.920 so 40:04.320 --> 40:10.360 The n i s since 207 and this is a very important critical debate 40:10.820 --> 40:11.320 date 40:11.760 --> 40:17.520 Have said that the iranians had a small research program 40:18.420 --> 40:22.660 That was uh focused on how they could weaponize 40:23.080 --> 40:24.620 A nuclear weapon 40:25.000 --> 40:27.840 But that and then make it 40:28.780 --> 40:30.300 Bomb ready 40:30.620 --> 40:34.900 But that program was abandoned in 203 40:35.540 --> 40:40.560 By an edict of the ayatollah himself, okay 40:40.860 --> 40:46.200 And that was issued in 207 and it famously became 40:46.780 --> 40:50.560 The flashing red lights stop here 40:50.560 --> 40:52.020 kind of sign 40:52.610 --> 40:56.500 That even george bush the younger dubya 40:57.650 --> 41:01.400 Had put in front of him when he was about ready to launch 41:01.810 --> 41:06.640 In 207 a major military assault on iran 41:07.110 --> 41:09.380 Just like the one that's now underway 41:09.910 --> 41:14.340 And you can go read his memoirs and they say in black and white 41:14.770 --> 41:19.600 I was about ready to authorize the launch the attack 41:20.220 --> 41:22.040 The n i s came out 41:22.780 --> 41:26.160 And it was very clear to me that how could I justify 41:26.880 --> 41:27.380 bombing 41:27.980 --> 41:29.400 to smithereens 41:29.800 --> 41:30.720 a country 41:31.940 --> 41:40.900 Because uh of a nuclear weapon that they didn't have okay now the reason I mentioned this is that that was a 41:41.420 --> 41:42.320 very important 41:43.040 --> 41:43.640 landmark 41:44.940 --> 41:46.020 Pivot point 41:46.500 --> 41:52.260 And the n i s ever since then have reiterated the same thing they didn't 41:53.060 --> 41:57.140 Ever restart that small research program 41:57.540 --> 42:02.120 For weaponization that they had and disbanded in 203 42:02.680 --> 42:07.060 And the latest iteration of it came believe it or not 42:07.460 --> 42:12.720 In march 2025 which is within you know the first three months 42:13.400 --> 42:15.740 Of the second trump administration 42:16.540 --> 42:19.480 And it was issued by tulsi gaver herself 42:20.240 --> 42:22.400 Who's uh, you know the n di 42:23.180 --> 42:23.580 national 42:25.460 --> 42:26.260 head of 42:26.840 --> 42:30.780 One of the major agencies in the intelligence community 42:31.320 --> 42:34.000 And it reiterated that the 42:34.800 --> 42:37.840 Weaponization program has not been restarted 42:37.840 --> 42:42.460 And we don't see any evidence of anything moving in that direction 42:42.720 --> 42:43.480 now 42:44.000 --> 42:48.460 The fact that they have enriched uranium because they have one of the largest 42:49.280 --> 42:52.500 civilian nuclear reactors in the world 42:53.180 --> 42:56.840 The fact that uh, they agreed to 42:57.700 --> 43:01.120 You know reduce enrichment to practically, uh 43:01.120 --> 43:08.720 You know a very low level in 2015 and the obama agreement that trump then tore up in 2018 43:09.480 --> 43:13.580 Doesn't prove that they want a bomb. They have a bomb or they're near a bomb 43:13.580 --> 43:18.320 Or that every time net nyahu says that it's six months away 43:18.960 --> 43:23.740 Uh that there's any validity to it at all because there isn't okay 43:23.740 --> 43:30.820 So now if they don't have missiles, they don't have long-range bombers. They don't have a blue water navy and they don't have a bomb 43:32.040 --> 43:36.080 Then what the hell is the threat to the united states? 43:36.080 --> 43:38.980 The answer is non-zero nicks nada 43:39.740 --> 43:40.760 And therefore 43:41.240 --> 43:46.460 The only you know thing from our point of view that we believe in the only time 43:46.840 --> 43:49.840 A peaceful republic should ever go to war 43:50.260 --> 43:52.920 Is if it's being directly attacked 43:53.520 --> 44:00.360 And the military security of the homeland itself not some ally in the far east not some 44:00.360 --> 44:07.460 You know god forsaken country in north africa, but the homeland itself is under attack 44:08.020 --> 44:14.280 Now when we go through the inventory that we've just covered here, where is the threat? 44:14.820 --> 44:22.120 Where is the attack? How in the world can anybody in the straight face with a straight face say it's imminent? 44:22.820 --> 44:27.840 When it couldn't possibly be imminent because they have no missiles and they have no bomb 44:27.840 --> 44:31.140 Uh anyway, uh that shows you 44:31.900 --> 44:35.460 how deep into the morass we are right now 44:35.460 --> 44:36.720 because we have 44:36.720 --> 44:39.860 you know empowered over the years tom 44:40.500 --> 44:40.900 a 44:41.520 --> 44:43.720 president to have these vast 44:44.320 --> 44:48.040 discretionary powers over a trillion dollar war machine 44:48.460 --> 44:53.240 And you get a wackadoo in that office by accident or otherwise 44:53.240 --> 44:55.800 And I you know we have one now 44:56.320 --> 45:02.240 And look what uh, you know look what the uh dangerous possibility actually is 45:02.240 --> 45:06.980 All right. Well given the limited time we have I have to get right to the the 45:07.700 --> 45:14.080 This exact moment because we we're now hearing from trump because you never know what what what's going to be 45:14.080 --> 45:18.980 You know, because he could say we were all joking. He could say tomorrow. Okay. I think it's all over and 45:18.980 --> 45:25.000 And david that's almost what he did. He said, yeah, I think it's just about over and this is this is the day when 45:25.000 --> 45:28.920 Heg set that said it's just the beginning. This is also a day when 45:29.480 --> 45:35.940 Uh or like earlier in the day trump had clearly made some remarks indicating that he envisioned that this going on a long time 45:35.940 --> 45:38.800 So obviously something's going wrong. Obviously 45:39.720 --> 45:45.120 Somebody wants an off ramp. Israel may want an off ramp. Uh, this this isn't exactly turning out the way they want 45:45.120 --> 45:51.440 Who who exactly knows but the problem is there's multiple problems. It's it's quite possible 45:52.060 --> 45:56.820 That he's not in a position to put a stop to it. Maybe iran doesn't want to stop 45:56.820 --> 46:01.760 Iran's getting some things that it wants. That's that's the first problem. Then the second problem is 46:03.000 --> 46:07.140 Nobody's happy as a result of this because mark levin sure isn't happy 46:07.140 --> 46:11.800 You can already see he's going hysterical that we're not getting the regime change that we want 46:11.800 --> 46:16.700 We have a more militant guy in charge now who's even angrier 46:17.260 --> 46:21.740 Uh, and we have even less leverage over them now. So we have that thing 46:22.300 --> 46:25.440 Uh, but meanwhile the people who didn't like the intervention to begin with 46:25.440 --> 46:32.280 Are unhappy because what are we just how many billions of dollars we just blow on absolutely nothing that we couldn't have otherwise 46:32.280 --> 46:32.980 so 46:34.180 --> 46:38.300 What's the next step? What what do you think happens now? I mean, we never know like one day to the next 46:38.300 --> 46:42.560 It's very hard to know but especially with with trump in charge 46:43.340 --> 46:44.380 What are they going to do? 46:45.060 --> 46:53.540 Well, the uh, the you're you're putting your finger on it. We're dealing with chaos. We're dealing with, uh, you know, the 46:54.700 --> 46:55.340 proverbial 46:55.340 --> 47:00.240 Gang that can't shoot straight that have no game plan and trump 47:00.800 --> 47:07.360 You know slides by the seat of example bridges by the day by the hour by the impulse 47:08.540 --> 47:11.840 And it says so many contradictory things 47:12.360 --> 47:16.720 That you know it it isn't it wouldn't be surprising to see 47:17.280 --> 47:22.220 Even the deep state lining up in a circle and firing at its itself 47:22.720 --> 47:29.440 Because no one can figure out what to do next or what he wants like, you know to go on with a couple things you've said 47:30.240 --> 47:35.940 Last thursday, he said we think maybe the Kurds are about ready to join the battle to 47:36.640 --> 47:38.540 replace the regime 47:39.060 --> 47:40.540 and help us bring about 47:41.060 --> 47:47.460 A safe country two days later. He said no, I don't want the Kurds to get involved at all. They might get hurt 47:47.460 --> 47:53.820 Okay, I mean what kind of nonsense is that within two days when there's a whole history 47:54.460 --> 47:57.300 Of the united states mobilizing and then 47:57.300 --> 48:04.040 Rudd pulling on the Kurds going all the way back to you know the 1970s and 80s 48:04.040 --> 48:06.860 You know, it's not even worth getting into all the facts of it 48:06.860 --> 48:13.620 Ending recently when we welcomed the head chopper back into the presidency of syria 48:14.380 --> 48:15.960 Who immediately moved 48:16.700 --> 48:19.320 With the turks to to wipe out 48:20.140 --> 48:25.420 The Kurds who had helped us get rid of ices. I mean this is so crazy this environment 48:25.820 --> 48:27.340 And now you have a guy 48:27.980 --> 48:31.500 With you know the attention span of a net 48:31.500 --> 48:38.660 Uh one day looking at the gas price and starting to worry about the election congressional elections 48:39.200 --> 48:41.740 Because if the democrats sweep, he's toast 48:41.740 --> 48:47.600 They won't mess around this time. They'll impeach him in the heartbeat if they sweep the house in the senate 48:47.600 --> 48:54.700 And on the other hand, uh, he uh, is on a high because you know, he kidnapped the press center 48:55.340 --> 48:59.300 Venezuela and now uh, he thinks he did a great thing 49:00.200 --> 49:02.340 By agreeing to the assassination 49:03.000 --> 49:08.940 Uh of the ayatollah, but now the new guy he gets and he says i'm going to pick the next leader 49:08.940 --> 49:12.400 It's got to be acceptable to me. Well the guy he gets 49:12.400 --> 49:16.080 Just witnessed in the same building. Okay 49:16.580 --> 49:18.400 his mother and his father 49:19.100 --> 49:25.840 And his wife and his sister and his son-in-law and his niece and his nephew 49:25.840 --> 49:30.640 All being blown to bits in the same building that he was in 49:30.640 --> 49:35.500 Now do you think this guy is going to be of a frame of mind to forgive and forget? 49:36.300 --> 49:44.240 Uh that uh, he's going to be ready to you know, uh run a regime that uh in any way 49:45.760 --> 49:50.520 Further's uh our own objectives in that region. I mean this is crazy 49:50.520 --> 49:56.920 And you know, we ought to talk about this tom. What kind of policy is it for a major power? 49:57.680 --> 50:01.320 To run policy based on assassinating leaders 50:01.880 --> 50:07.040 Who uh, you know, you have a disagreement with you know, that that's the israeli policy 50:07.040 --> 50:13.300 It's been their policy for decades and decades and now the united states has embraced it 50:13.300 --> 50:16.280 And I think it's a pretty sad day 50:16.280 --> 50:19.880 Uh when we decide to use 50:20.340 --> 50:26.540 As an instrument of policy assassination of the top leadership and not just one bad apple 50:26.540 --> 50:31.080 But they knew you know that the whole top echelon 50:31.500 --> 50:35.460 Of the iranian leadership was gathering that day 50:35.760 --> 50:43.920 To decide on instructions to send to their negotiators who were meeting on monday morning the following monday morning 50:43.920 --> 50:47.640 Were to meet with jaren kushner and widcough 50:48.100 --> 50:52.720 Uh to continue uh this you know negotiation that was underway 50:53.600 --> 50:59.640 On some kind of settlement of the issues the bomb the issue the missiles and so forth 50:59.640 --> 51:05.720 Now this is the second time that they have been learned into negotiations only to have 51:06.200 --> 51:13.800 A decapitation attack attack occur in june obviously and now uh in february 51:13.920 --> 51:14.640 march 51:15.330 --> 51:22.440 and uh after the deal that they negotiated uh to such uh, you know 51:22.440 --> 51:26.900 Detailed degree with obama back in 2015 51:27.470 --> 51:30.000 Was torn up like a piece of paper 51:30.450 --> 51:32.440 In 2018 by trump 51:32.770 --> 51:38.940 So I don't see why anybody who's rational that may remain in power 51:39.210 --> 51:40.200 in iran 51:40.800 --> 51:44.860 What would will want to negotiate with the united states? Why? 51:45.640 --> 51:47.920 No, you know, it's a no no 51:48.440 --> 51:56.020 deal is going to uh have any uh value uh, you're or have any you won't have any confidence in it 51:56.520 --> 52:01.800 Given that this uh history because these weren't just minor double crosses 52:02.320 --> 52:07.080 These were like almost if you don't have to even be a tinfoil hat man with a 52:07.880 --> 52:13.280 Paranoia streak about you to say they were lured into a negotiating trap 52:13.760 --> 52:15.540 So that their leadership could be 52:17.300 --> 52:22.040 Decapitated by israeli and american bombers. That's no just david 52:22.040 --> 52:25.060 I hate to try to apply the same standards across the board here 52:25.060 --> 52:31.500 But could you imagine if the situation were reversed? This would be yeah further example further evidence of the 47 year war david 52:32.080 --> 52:32.900 Yeah, I know 52:32.900 --> 52:37.740 I know I know it's just great and they can't get their story straight about what the goals of the thing are 52:37.740 --> 52:43.800 And if trump's gonna try to get out of this early for political reasons or for frankly military reasons 52:43.800 --> 52:50.240 Maybe he can as I say, maybe this is gonna spun out of his control. Maybe he can't but even if he does 52:50.880 --> 52:53.860 The neocons are still gonna be red hot angry 52:54.480 --> 52:58.020 They didn't get what they wanted now the israelis might be willing to cool down 52:58.020 --> 53:01.080 Because they didn't like the results so much because they attributed 53:02.120 --> 53:04.220 Impossible standards to the u.s. Military 53:04.660 --> 53:10.700 Maybe they're ready to cool down, but the neocons aren't going to be so trump's going to have an absolute mess on his hands 53:11.300 --> 53:14.540 Yeah, and this is where the real danger comes in. This is the last point 53:14.540 --> 53:17.620 We're at this inflection point and either we're going to have 53:18.240 --> 53:25.240 The next roll of the dice and i'll explain that in one second or the taco man will be back into business 53:25.240 --> 53:29.400 You know by the taco man, of course, we mean trump always chickens out 53:30.100 --> 53:35.300 Now the set that last scenario could end up very simply as 53:35.920 --> 53:40.400 You know, remember the thing back in the vietnam war where senator aiken 53:41.160 --> 53:44.020 Famously said the lbj the way to settle the vietnam 53:44.800 --> 53:47.220 More ass is to declare victory and leave 53:47.840 --> 53:49.780 Okay, so they may try 53:50.500 --> 53:52.180 They may try rhetorically 53:52.760 --> 53:54.480 The aiken solution 53:55.060 --> 53:58.100 Declare victory the navies at the bottom of the sea 53:58.100 --> 54:02.600 The missiles and the missile factories have been mostly obliterated 54:03.440 --> 54:05.840 There is no bomb 54:06.580 --> 54:07.640 capacity left 54:08.820 --> 54:15.600 And the air defense system has been completely eliminated. And so therefore 54:16.440 --> 54:22.040 Iran will be naked in the future and if they try to do any nonsense or they get 54:22.820 --> 54:24.300 You know 54:25.420 --> 54:26.560 Out of line 54:27.200 --> 54:33.420 Again, we'll just bomb them because there's you know risks. They have no air defense will just go in and 54:33.420 --> 54:39.240 Spank them and uh move on so that may be one scenario that could happen 54:39.920 --> 54:47.900 But the other scenario is the all these neocons you're talking about and the administration is infested with them 54:47.900 --> 54:54.200 I mean marco rubio. Uh, he's like he's a script reader of the neocon 54:54.960 --> 55:00.420 Bible at any moment in time. Uh, he doesn't even think he just reads it and says it 55:00.420 --> 55:04.480 And uh acts it because he's got a very important voice 55:05.040 --> 55:06.740 Uh in uh policy 55:07.260 --> 55:12.400 But anyway, they're saying the way that you're going to and this is really critical 55:12.400 --> 55:16.880 I think to understand the way you're going to finally finish off the regime 55:16.880 --> 55:23.460 And it doesn't matter who what raggedy uh raghead they put in charge after this 55:24.000 --> 55:28.820 But the way you're going to finish off the regime is to send in special forces 55:29.080 --> 55:36.920 To kidnap the remaining enriched uranium supplies that are hidden somewhere in deep 55:37.860 --> 55:39.020 caverns and mountain 55:40.100 --> 55:43.320 Hideouts in iran and they know where they are 55:43.320 --> 55:49.800 And secondly, you got to go in and take karsh island khar g 55:50.540 --> 55:55.720 Where 90 of all the exported oil and oil products 55:56.180 --> 55:58.440 That come out of uh iran 55:58.440 --> 56:02.340 You know are gathered and then shipped out 56:02.340 --> 56:07.900 Because karsh island generates the oil sales and the oil revenue 56:08.460 --> 56:12.800 That keeps the irgc the you know republican guard 56:13.340 --> 56:16.880 And and they're the evil doers in the regime in business 56:17.340 --> 56:23.320 So if we cut off their economics by obliterating but they got to do that 56:23.320 --> 56:26.020 They've got to land forces on karsh island 56:26.840 --> 56:27.280 and 56:27.960 --> 56:31.560 Snatching the enriched uranium that's left 56:32.060 --> 56:34.340 Then we can say uh, you know 56:34.340 --> 56:37.100 The the the plan is complete 56:37.520 --> 56:44.260 No navy no missiles. Uh, no air air defense. No in uranium and no oil 56:45.220 --> 56:49.700 But that is a pretty dangerous thing because once you put special forces 56:50.260 --> 56:57.600 Either somewhere into the interior of iran probably around ish fund or on karsh island 56:57.600 --> 56:59.720 You're you got boots on the ground 57:00.340 --> 57:03.880 And who knows where that will lead to but you also have 57:04.500 --> 57:10.340 Um, you know the remnants of the irc g 31 commanders spread all over the country 57:10.930 --> 57:12.100 Uh who have nothing 57:12.100 --> 57:18.840 You know on their mind except revenge and retaliation. So if they go this second row 57:19.700 --> 57:22.800 You know finishing it off on karsh island 57:23.360 --> 57:25.500 And snatching the iranium 57:25.980 --> 57:28.160 It could open up a real 57:28.740 --> 57:30.640 nasty further chapter 57:31.800 --> 57:34.720 Well, david's talking. I don't have to let you go but um 57:34.720 --> 57:39.620 I didn't know about the national security council stuff. So that is fascinating. I'm really glad 57:39.620 --> 57:43.440 Because given that scott besant has been talking about foreign policy 57:43.440 --> 57:47.240 I thought well, maybe the omb director might have known something about it at the time 57:47.240 --> 57:50.860 I was going to ask you anyway. So very interesting to hear about that 57:51.340 --> 57:56.760 But the website once again everybody look if you want to be super informed on everything have all the numbers and all the details 57:56.760 --> 58:02.320 And and arguments that none of your friends even know about i'm telling you you cannot go wrong 58:02.320 --> 58:09.900 Over at david stockman's contra corner. Yes, it's many characters to type in david stockman's contra corner dot com 58:09.900 --> 58:14.300 But you will be amply rewarded after you hit that enter key david. 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