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My name is Jason Basler and joining me is the Free Thought Project editor-in-chief, Matt Agarist.

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Thank you all for joining us once again.

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Today we're joined by a very special guest,

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a guest who's been on the front lines of censorship, the culture wars and of course philosophy.

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Today we will be diving deep with a guest whose ideas

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might just rattle your comfort zone in the best way possible.

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Our guest is a man I personally owe a great deal of gratitude to

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someone who helped cement much of my own philosophy and political worldview,

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whether it was his daily drive home, espousing voluntary principles

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on his free domain podcast back in the mid-2000s

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or his 14 years of YouTube videos guiding normies towards philosophy

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or maybe it was one of his 10 books, such as Everyday Anarchy,

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The Art of the Argument or Universally Preferable Behavior

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and that last one really reshaped how I think about ethics.

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He's also just published a book on peaceful parenting

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and I'm hoping we could get into that at some point during the conversation,

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but our guest has been a pillar within the Liberty community for nearly two decades.

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His contributions have undeniably made the world a more moral,

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logical, intellectually courageous place

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and he's finally back on Twitter, which I'm happy to see.

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So our guest today is Liberty legend, Stefan Malanou.

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Steph, welcome to the Free Thought Project podcast and thanks for joining us.

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Thank you for those very kind words.

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I actually just sailed past 20 years since my first article was published.

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I'm about 21st years.

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My show can almost drink in every new scale.

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I'm very excited about that.

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Well, congratulations.

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Yeah, that's truly impressive and you've been at this for a long time, Steph,

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and definitely really grateful for your time today.

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And as I mentioned at the intro there,

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your work has been absolutely critical for my own philosophical journey over the years.

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And you really did emerge as one of the leading voices within Liberty movement,

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a cornerstone of modern anarchist thought on the internet.

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And one of the few thinkers online that's really emphasized logic and argumentation.

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Now, I don't think there's really a way to quantify the impact your work has had on the world,

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but it's clearly significant enough to catch the ire and scorn of the political establishment

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who ended up railroading you with several well-coordinated censorship campaigns.

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And, you know, here at the Free Thought Project, we're no stranger to censorship ourselves.

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You know, we lost over 6 million fans in 2018 when both Facebook and Twitter

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colluded to take us down on the same day within hours of each other.

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But on a recent podcast with libertarian podcaster Dave Smith and Nick Fuentes,

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your name was actually brought up and mentioned as someone's whose voice

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was reaching a lot of people and resonating before they caught the crosshairs of the censorship machine.

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But it made me think about some of the parallels of you being deplatformed back in 2020

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and the current finger-pointing circus that's going on right now,

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on the right after Tucker Carlson had Nick Fuentes on a show recently.

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There seems to be, you know, pretty serious rift and divide growing, you know,

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right now between some of the establishment Republicans and MAGA

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and some of these America first-centered perspectives that Nick Fuentes has.

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So I know Nick has also been targeted and deplatformed and censored,

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and some of his takes, you know, certainly walk the line between the Overton window and controversial.

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So I was curious, like, what your take is on Nick Fuentes and the current brouhaha surrounding his rise to popularity

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as this, you know, this leading right-wing voice.

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And if you do see any overlap with his political persecution,

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that kind of seems similar to what you went through a few years back.

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Yeah, I mean, obviously a very charismatic and intelligent communicator,

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it's hard for older people to understand the edgelord stuff that goes on among the young,

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that in my generation, so many sacred cows were erected that have just become untouchable.

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That is a very tempting target for the young.

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It's sort of, if you think about the 1960s and how they were called the satirical 60s,

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of course the sex, drugs, rock and roll, the hedonism,

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they were really taking aim at all the sacred cows of the 50s.

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And the holy objects of one generation often becomes the objects of scorn

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and puncturing for the next generation.

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And I suppose Nick Fuentes is an expression of that.

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As a philosopher, if there's somebody whose ideas are repellent or negative or horrible for you,

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then you have the choice.

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And I mean, there's a lot with Nick that I disagree with, of course.

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I don't know how much.

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And I'm always very careful because I've been taken out of context so many times

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that unless I'm willing to really absorb someone's entire over of work,

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I'm really hesitant to pass judges on stuff that could be taken out of context.

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So, you know, some of the sort of pro-national socialist stuff that he has talked about,

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I shouldn't say obviously.

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For me, national socialism is as bad as communism.

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And even though communism has an even higher death count,

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my ancestors, not because they were Jewish, but because they were intellectuals,

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were persecuted by the Nazis.

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So not a big fan, of course, of Nazism and Hitlerianism.

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It's a repellent and vicious collectivist and totalitarian ideology.

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But so I don't know if he's edgelording.

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I don't know if he's mocking because, again, I haven't taken the time.

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I've been working on my...

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I just finished actually yesterday recording the audiobook of my new books.

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I've been working a lot on that.

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So it is sort of a general question.

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It's sort of two main points that I wanted to get across.

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And I'll try to be brief because I have my own show so I can do my monologues there.

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Number one, people who disagree with whoever,

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whether it's Nick or other people, if you disagree with him,

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engage, prove him wrong, engage, engage,

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invite him on and prove him wrong.

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If he is egregiously wrong and so morally offensive,

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then it should not be that tough to prove him wrong.

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I mean, I engage with communists.

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I engage with status.

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I engage with people who are pro-spanking.

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I engage with ideas that I find reprehensible and repellent.

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And frankly, personally quite dangerous.

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I mean, if the communists win,

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people like us are going to have a pretty short span of days.

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So the question is always, do you engage with ideas that you hate

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or do you suppress them?

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Do you censor them?

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The arguments against censorship

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all the way back to John Milton's area of Pajitica in the 17th century,

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one of sort of the founding documents

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of what until recently was a pretty British commitment

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to free speech in common law.

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It was relatively common in the UK and in Canada

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until relatively recently and it's still hanging by a thread in the US.

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But the fact that you're protected by the First Amendment

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doesn't protect you from slander campaigns, of course, right?

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So do you suppress and drive out of the public square

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people who are reprehensible to your views

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or do you engage with them and prove them wrong?

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To me, it is always a confession of the weakness of an argument

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to not prove someone wrong.

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So I think that communism is a horrendous idea.

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I've even debated fascists.

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I think fascism is a repellent idea

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and arguments, statism and collectivism and so on, a totalitarianism.

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So I engage with them because what happens if you don't?

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Well, you've kind of handed the high ground to the other person

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because especially the younger generation having grown up

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in such a sensorious social, political and media regime

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they assume that whoever is attacked by the establishment

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has something important and positive to say.

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You know, it's the old Obi-Wan thing and if you strike me down

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I shall come back even stronger, blah, blah, blah.

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So you want to bring people on to the conversation.

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You want to engage with them

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if it's a conversation that you want to be engaged in.

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I mean, I don't bring everyone on

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because there's some conversations

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that aren't particularly interesting to me

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or I don't find particularly fulfilling.

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But if you are going to comment about a topic

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and there's somebody whose ideas are appalling to you,

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yeah, bring them on.

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And if you don't want to bring them on, whatever, fine.

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Maybe you're not great at debating.

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It's not a natural skill for everyone.

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Then at least make arguments, make counterarguments.

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Put your presentations together.

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I used to use these blue powerpoints with me

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in the sort of top left corner, the Truth About series.

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Then analyze the arguments,

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show where the person is wrong

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and to take apart their perspective.

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That's how ideas get better.

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But if you simply recoil and ban people,

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then you are saying it is not possible

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to engage with their ideas.

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Well, why is it not possible to engage with their ideas

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and prove them wrong?

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And so you create this group that is outside of discourse

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and having groups that are outside of discourse

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is usually not a very good idea at all.

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So that's sort of one aspect.

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The second thing I think that what is going on

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in American politics at the moment,

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and this is from a...

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I say this from a sort of rational philosophical perspective.

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Sorry.

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Look at me seeding the word rational.

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It just automatically proves everything.

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I'll strive for that nonetheless.

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And that is if you look at what's going on

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religiously in America, there is a divide, of course,

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between the secular left and the conservative right,

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particularly with regards to Israel.

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So a lot of people who are Christian conservatives

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believe that Israel's success

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and the defense of the Jewish population

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is essential to Christianity,

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is essential for the return of Jesus,

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and that is driving a lot of the political beliefs.

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And you saw this, of course.

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I think it was Tucker Carlson who talked to Ted Cruz

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about this kind of stuff.

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And from a secular atheist rational perspective,

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eschatological revelations,

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end times prophecies is not necessarily

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the best way to make foreign policy

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and to assign resources in a society.

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So I think there's that effort.

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On the left, of course, they generally side

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with the underdog.

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It's kind of a reflexive thing,

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and it comes from a beautiful impulse

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in humanity and society.

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It generally comes from the female impulse

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to protect the younger sibling.

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And we can talk about this

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with regards to peaceful parenting and so on,

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but I myself am a younger sibling.

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And if in my family, you know,

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food and toys and resources

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had been left to the free market,

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well, you know, my brother was older

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and bigger and stronger

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and he would have got the majority of resources.

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So a woman's instinct in particular

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is to side with the underdog

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and to redistribute resources

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by force if needed to make sure

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that the underdog,

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the youngest child or younger children,

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have enough to eat, right?

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So if there's only one sandwich,

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you cut it in two, one for the older brother,

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one for the younger sister,

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and then the older brother grabs

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both halves of the sandwich and runs off, you know,

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then the mother has to chase him down

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and pry the half of sandwich

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and give it to the little girl

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because she can't chase him down

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and get it herself.

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So things need to be equal.

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You need to have more sympathy

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for the underdog

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and you have to use force,

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if necessary, to take resources

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from the more competent

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and the more able

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and give them to,

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through no fault of their own,

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just the birth order,

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the less competent and the less able.

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So women have a ferocious instinct

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to even things out

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using force if need be.

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That is absolutely fantastic

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when they're moms

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and there are little kids

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or kids involved as a whole.

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That's why we're all here,

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particularly we've haunted

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younger siblings and so on.

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It's a beautiful aspect of female nature.

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However,

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when you combine

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coercive redistribution

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with the power of the state,

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then you get this kind of redistributive

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welfare state

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and a lot of the foreign aid and so on

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and then you have,

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it becomes cancerous,

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it becomes pathological

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because it's not limited by anything

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because the government can just print money,

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borrow money, sell bonds

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and then you just can pour

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all the resources into the quote

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underprivileged,

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which is why that word,

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you know,

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marginalized, excluded,

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minorities, underprivileged,

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these are all programming words

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to get women to want to use coercion

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to redistribute resources,

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which is socialism

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and communism of course.

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And fascism too,

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but people don't usually see that as much.

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So I think from

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a rational empirical standpoint,

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basing resource allocations

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and foreign policy on

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what I would argue is just sort of rank

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eschatological end time superstition,

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it's not a great,

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not a great plan.

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On the left, of course,

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they sympathize with the underdogs,

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with the weaker people

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in the whatever conflict there is,

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which again comes in the younger sibling thing,

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which leaves them to have a lot of sympathy,

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of course, towards the Palestinians and so on.

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So there's just not a lot of

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rational analysis.

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There's a lot of feelings.

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There's a lot of rather ramped up

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faith imperatives as a whole.

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And I think that's hard to penetrate

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for people from the outside

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with sort of a more objective rational perspective.

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I think it's hard to penetrate that level

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of faith based discourse,

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if that makes sense,

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or emotional based discourse on the part of the left.

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Yeah, it certainly makes sense

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and certainly rational.

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And I guess we've come to expect

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a rational take from you over the years,

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so I appreciate your take on that.

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And my apologies,

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I guess you probably don't spend

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every waking moment on Twitter,

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like many of us do unfortunately.

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It seems to have its hook

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and really drags you in sometimes,

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but yeah,

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I probably shouldn't have expected you to have known

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all the ins and outs of Nick Fuentes

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and what he's going through,

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but there seems to be a pretty coordinated effort as well

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to take him down a few ranks.

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And yeah, you know,

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I agree 100% with what you were saying there

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as far as the public square and censorship, right?

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And giving people this opportunity

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to defend themselves and defend their ideas.

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Well, it's a forbidden fruit stuff,

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sorry to interrupt.

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Go tell young men,

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you cannot talk about X.

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And it's like, come on,

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I mean, does anybody not remember

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what it's like to be young and rebellious?

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That's just going to drive people.

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Bring people in and say, listen,

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you've got your perspective.

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I think you're misinformed.

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Here are the facts.

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Here's where I think you went wrong.

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Love to hear your perspective, blah, blah, blah.

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Bring it in and dismantle it that way.

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Sure.

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And I myself, again,

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I can't speak for Nick.

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Of course, Mr. Fuentes,

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not like we're on a first syllable basis.

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But certainly for me,

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with some of the more provocative

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or science-based stuff

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that people didn't like about me,

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I know for a simple fact.

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And if you have been

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in the challenging position

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of bringing volatile truths

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to a emotional and reactive population,

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you know that it's pretty easy to go to the mob.

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We saw this over COVID, right?

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It's pretty easy to go to the mob

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into grabbing their flaming torches

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and their pitchforks

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and going to just chase people out of town

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and want to string them up.

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It's pretty easy to rouse the mob into hatred.

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You know, I mean, the Second World War,

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where all the boomers base their moral imperatives from,

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I mean, the Second World War produced the Nuremberg Code,

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which says medical procedures

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should never, ever be forced.

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Full and informed consent needs to happen,

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like the whole list of the Nuremberg Code

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that came out of the Second World War after the horrendous...

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Well, it wasn't just the Nazis

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who did this forced experimentation.

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It was the Japanese,

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particularly the Australian prisoners.

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They did live vivisection.

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They tested chemical and biological weapons

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using prisoners of war, just horrendous stuff.

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And the boomers who seem to base their entire moral outlook

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on the Second World War went fairly Nazi

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in terms of abandoning the Nuremberg Code,

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forcing people, compelling people,

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restricting rights

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unless they took pretty dicey experimental DNA goop

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into their veins.

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So if you're going to say to young people,

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you can't talk about this.

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This is the absolute wrong thing.

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And everybody who talks about this is like,

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does nobody remember how, you know,

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the satanic panic of the heavy metal stuff

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in the 80s and 90s?

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Well, I guess you guys may be too young.

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But it's for the forbidden fruit thing.

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If you just tell people that you can't do this,

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well, the youth are going to rebel,

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particularly if society doesn't have that much

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to offer young people these days,

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which is kind of the case.

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This is the Maldani question in New York.

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What does society have to offer young people these days?

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Student debt, minimum wage,

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which doesn't pay for anything.

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Massively expanded immigration,

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which is killing job opportunities

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for a lot of people.

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For a lot of young white men in particular,

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they know that there are diversity quotas

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that are going to bar them from easy access

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to a number of jobs.

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They also know that the school is designed

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to schools when they're younger,

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when they're younger, all designed to facilitate girls

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and to please girls and to promote girls

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at the expense of boys a lot of times,

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because boys and girls generally learn quite differently.

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And the boys get drugged

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and the girls get gold stars,

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and the boys they yell at and the girls are praised.

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And so for young men,

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if they might listen to society saying,

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don't talk about this.

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If society seems to be functioning well

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for young men and gives them a path to, you know,

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the two things that you need in life

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to be happy is love and productive work.

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And if those are barred for a variety of reasons

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because for men, productive work leads to love

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because you have to be able to support a family

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or you want to be able to support a family.

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So if society says to young men,

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screw you and you can't talk about X.

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Well, those two things are going to fuse together

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in people's minds and say, okay, well, the society

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is screwing us over and doesn't care about us.

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And then society says, we can't talk about X.

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They said, well, I bet X has something positive to it

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because so it is just a bad combination of things

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and just not listening to the youth

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and not listening to young males in particular.

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You're just going to lose them

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and they're going to be scooped up by someone

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and that's the price you pay for.

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You know, it's like if you keep yelling at your girlfriend

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at some point, she's going to go and get another boyfriend.

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You know, if you keep treating her badly,

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she's going to go somewhere else.

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And the best way for society,

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let's say that they look at people like Nick

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and say, oh, you know, you shouldn't listen to Nick.

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It's like, okay, well, then go talk to the young men

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in particular and ask them what the issues are,

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ask them what the problems are,

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really work to try and address their concerns

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and then maybe you'll diffuse whatever is going on

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that people dislike, right?

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But if you just keep yelling and screaming at them

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and calling them, you know, racist and white supremacists

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and Nazis and this and that and the other,

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at some point it's just like, you know,

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if you keep verbally abusing your girlfriend,

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she's going to go to some other guy

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and then don't cry to me if you don't have her love anymore, right?

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Agreed, yeah, 100%.

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I think a part of the reason Nick is drawing so much fire right now

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is because he's kind of struck this balance

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between, you know, he's rhetorically sharp,

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he's ideologically committed.

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He also has this like pragmatic America first messaging

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and it feels like it's that combination

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that's made him kind of effective

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and also threatening to the establishment

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because he does seem to be cutting through

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some of the party politics noise

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and even challenging some pretty prominent MAGA figures

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and it seems like it's kind of based upon this

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America at first ethos

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and so it's kind of put a position in him

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in this like thought leader place,

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but he's also this like perceived kind of bellwether

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of honesty of America centered politics, you know?

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So it does feel like his rise seems to be signaling

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a shift away from these like sanitized talking points.

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People seem to want something a little more raw

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or a little more based, I guess as a kid say.

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Let's behold into like these legacy gatekeepers.

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So do you think like his popularity kind of reflects

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like a coming of age within American politics?

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Maybe for like the Gen Z political class

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who ultimately will demand more authenticity

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from politics as far as just the political realm.

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Yeah, again, I don't want to focus particularly

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on Nick Fuentes because again,

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I'm not up to on what he's talking about,

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but I certainly know the edge lord stuff

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because it shows up on my Twitter feed

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and replies and so on to the provocative edge lord stuff.

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So I think that in American politics

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it's the meme that everyone has seen is like,

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okay, so you call yourself conservatives,

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what have you conserved?

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What have you won? What have you conserved?

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What have you made?

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So people look at Reagan and you know the amnesty

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that switched the votes and demographics of California

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and they look at Reagan and say,

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oh, he defined the, he signed in the defense,

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sorry, he signed in basically no fault,

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divorce and of course I think it was under Reagan

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in 86 that the Vaccine Liability Immunity Act

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or whatever it was called was passed,

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which has at least at the base of a lot of health issues

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and again, causal or correlational,

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I'm not an expert enough to say,

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but excluding companies from liability

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for medical products,

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a lot of which have not been double-blind tested,

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that's not very free market, that's not very responsible,

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that's not very good.

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So I think people look at the left and say,

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okay, so if we go with the left then there's all this money

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that goes from the productive people

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to the less productive people that harms the economy

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as a whole, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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and there's problems and issues with all of that

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and then they look at the right and they say,

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okay, well they seem to be pretty keen on wars

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and they pretty much are trailing the left

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by five to 10 years and so on

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and they don't get done what they say they need to get done.

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I mean the left, you know,

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I'm not a fan of the left of course, right,

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but they kind of do what they say,

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hey, open borders, hey look at you get open borders,

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hey, we're going to pass Obamacare,

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well they get to pass Obamacare

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and the right makes all of these promises

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and really don't fulfill that many.

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I mean for how long has Obamacare been

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in the sights of the Republican leadership

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and they don't even seem to have much of a plan

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to replace these, you know, these absolutely appalling,

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like I see these bills posted for, you know,

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the monthly, family of four monthly health insurance

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like $3,000, $4,000, $5,000

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with these crazy deductibles, like $5,000, $10,000, $15,000 deductibles.

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I mean that's just a straight up shakedown,

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I read a, there's a great professor, Dr. Roderick Long,

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and I read one of his articles many years ago

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about these friendly societies that young,

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particularly young families and so on

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and workers would join and you could get an entire year's

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access to a doctor for two days wages,

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like you would just go for free to the doctor

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to get whatever treatment you needed

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and it would cost you two days wages for that

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and how cheap it used to be is wild

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and of course as things get better, they should get cheaper.

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I mean just computers and TVs and tablets and so on.

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That's where the free market generally works the most

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because you don't even need a license to go into those fields.

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You can go be a programmer.

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I was a programmer, I have a history degree.

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So I do think that people look,

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the young people look and say,

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okay, what has the, what have the conservatives conserved

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and has there been any reckoning?

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Dick Cheney just died a couple of days ago,

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a genuinely evil dude in so many ways.

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If you don't pay your taxes, you go to jail.

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If you, I mean, if you speed, you get a fine

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and if you don't pay it, you can have problems.

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But you can start a war under false pretenses

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that kills half a million people

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and nothing happens to you and that's so strange.

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Particularly for young males,

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maybe a little bit more for young white males having grown up.

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Well, you're responsible for colonialism.

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You're responsible for slavery.

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You're responsible for oppressing the poor.

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You're responsible for the third world being poor

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and you've got to suffer for it

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and you've got to be excluded for it

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and you've got to be shamed for it.

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And it's like, this guy started a war

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and nothing, nothing.

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George W. Bush, he's doing his little paintings.

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Oh, look at my iPad.

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I've done these paintings.

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It's like, bro, you used depleted uranium weapons

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and destroyed the genetic integrity

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and there's still birth defects coming out of Fallujah.

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Like it looks like an asylum from the outside.

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Like in the inside, you get normed up

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and it just feels like it's just life

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and you know, blah, blah, blah.

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But from the outside,

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and I think this is where sort of philosophy comes in.

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The philosophy denormalizes what you're used to

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and applies principles

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and that's like what physics does, right?

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So physics says, oh, by the way,

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you're not on the earth that's fixed.

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It feels fixed, but you're actually spinning around the globe

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and you're going around the sun

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and the sun's going around the Milky Way

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and you're traveling hundreds of thousands of kilometers a second.

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You just don't know it, right?

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And the sun and the moon look the same size

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but the sun is 100 times bigger than earth

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and it looks like the sun is going around you

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but you're actually going around the sun.

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Like it just messes with your perspective

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and gives you facts outside of what comes

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through the senses and we generally conclude.

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And philosophy does that with politics too

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and you say, okay, okay,

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so the people who've done great evil in this world

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get positive reviews, get pensions

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and get to walk off into the sunset

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in sort of Norman Rockwell sunset golden hues

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of acceptability.

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And you know, people crap at them or whatever it is

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but it doesn't really, they die.

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People who cause half a million people to get vaporized

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and then poison hundreds of thousands of people

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with depleted uranium weapons,

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they get to die peacefully in their beds

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but I get deplatformed and you guys get deplatformed.

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And when you take that sort of objective,

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moral view of society,

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it's a sort of vicious, scaldingly corrupt,

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vetted asylum of corruption and immorality

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and then when you have that view of society

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which is not super uncommon

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and again, there's lots of ways you can look at it

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but it's very disorienting when you try to apply

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objective moral values to society as a whole

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and you look at that and you say,

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okay, so when I was a kid,

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if I didn't do my homework, I was punished

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and I could actually lose a year of my life

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because they could hold you back a year and so on

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so when I was a kid, if I didn't do my homework,

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you know, when I was a kid,

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I was in boarding school and I climbed over this fence

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to get a soccer ball back that we were playing with

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and I got knocked on by some prefect

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and I got dragged up to the headmaster's office

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and I got caned.

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So I get punished for climbing a fence to get a ball.

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Okay, so society's really ended up,

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you gotta be punished if you do wrong,

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if you do bad, you gotta be punished.

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It's like, well, unless you start a war

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or unless you don't follow the Constitution

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or unless you pardon a whole bunch of people

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without even knowing their cases

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or, you know, like then you just,

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you know, no problem.

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And so when people get a sense

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that the law is the strangest fisherman's net-known demand

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in that it catches all of the tiny fish

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but lets all the big fish swim free,

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then society loses its credibility.

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This is why the Epstein files stuff was so powerful for people.

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People are desperate to get the Epstein files

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because they're desperate to believe in their society again.

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They're desperate to say,

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is this all just some horrible shite storm of corruption

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and the pretense of virtue?

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Is it just an exercise of power

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with no moral content whatsoever?

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And the Epstein files stuff again,

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nobly a champion by the Miami Herald

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and Mike Cernovich and we did shows on this back of the day.

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And of course everybody knows

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that when Epstein houses were broken into,

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particularly I think the Brownstone in New York they found,

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massive amounts of video material,

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the rooms were all wired up.

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And so of course there's tons of blackmail material

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all over the place there.

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And people are desperate to be like,

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please, please, please Lord above,

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let me retain some moral respect for my society.

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Let the bad guys be exposed and hopefully punished.

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And this is sort of part of the issue that's going on.

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You cannot shield the powerful from moral consequences

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and then yell and humiliate and attack young men

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for listening to edgy shows.

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I mean you can do it,

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but nobody with any common sense is going to believe you.

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So all of the people who are looking at cancelling other people

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and so on is like, okay, where are you demanding,

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say the Epstein files get released?

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And of course if, I doubt that, I mean, it's all long gone.

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I don't mean deleted, it's just long transported somewhere else.

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But those are very real issues.

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They're very real issues.

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And when America or other Western countries being broke,

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but they have tons of money for migrant-buying benefits,

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they have tons of money for the war in Ukraine,

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they have tons of money for foreign aid.

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Of course not just to Israel,

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but to countless countries around the world.

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This was sort of the doge thing, right?

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Where it was a big ball, sorry, I'll shut up for a second.

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But the doge thing was really fascinating

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because you look at the amount of corruption,

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money laundering going to obviously a lot of leftist causes,

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but other things as well.

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You say, okay, so that's really corrupt

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and nobody did anything about it.

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And everyone's complaining that the funding is being cut down

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or cut off, but nobody cared.

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And yet I can't even,

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so all of this corrupt money moving, money laundering,

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borrowing, printing, counterfeiting, you name it,

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that's all perfectly approved of.

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But in America, of course,

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and I think in other places too bad,

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you can't even discharge student loan debt in a bankruptcy.

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Like it will.

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It's like, hope he's mad.

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He'll never, never leaves you.

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And so it is, oh, financial responsibility for the poor.

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Like bailouts for the rich.

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And then people think communists

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are going to solve the comments

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that's going to make it worse

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because it's communist principles

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allowing for it to happen in the first place.

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But so, yeah, I just, if you want to lure people away,

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let's say you think people like Nia Kuwaito

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is just the worst, okay, fine.

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Then lure them back, right?

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Just coming down with the ban hammer on people

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is just going to radicalize people further.

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You've got to engage or find a way to lure them back.

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And society compels, or I shouldn't say compels,

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society elicits obedience from young males

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by bribing them with jobs,

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houses, benefits, healthcare, wives, children.

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And of course, because men have a lot of testosterone,

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they've got a lot of punchiness

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when they're younger in particular,

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and what lowers testosterone

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and gets you more into the productive middle-class,

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middle-aged male lifestyle.

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Marriage and kids.

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Your testosterone goes down

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when you get married.

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It goes down even further when you have kids.

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You are tamed by a job and a family.

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And if you can't give young men a job and a family,

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they stay pissed, and they stay energetic,

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and you lose credibility.

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So people who aren't talking about how to help the young

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in particular, you know,

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they're just driving people more towards,

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I don't know, whoever they...

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Oh, unacceptable.

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It's like, what's unacceptable

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is to have an entire generation of young people

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who can't start a family, who can't get and keep jobs,

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who have no financial stability,

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who rely on the gig economy and come buy a house.

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Sorry.

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End of speech.

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Thank you for your patience.

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No, man, that was well said.

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And I tend to agree wholeheartedly with that.

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I recently wrote an article that kind of addresses some of that.

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It actually published this morning about how,

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like you just mentioned the Epstein files.

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This is all in our faces.

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All these conspiracy theories, air quotes, right?

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Like government surveillance, censorship,

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media manipulation, pharmaceutical company corruption,

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an elite cabal of child traffickers running our world, right?

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That's all real.

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And these people put it out there

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and these limited hangout types of ways

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and then people pick up on it.

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And no one applies any critical thought to it

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because everybody's stuck in these tribes of us versus them.

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And so everybody views all this stuff through their tribal filter.

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And I mean, this is the basic mechanics

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of modern propaganda in my opinion.

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We recently had a podcast guest on it.

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We go really deep into that.

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Well, then let me just mention as well,

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I was raised in the UK, in England, in London.

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Well, I went to school near Wales.

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But in England, since the 1950s,

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there have been these immigrant rape gangs.

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Everybody knows about it.

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I talked about it even when I was younger.

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And the numbers are beyond staggering.

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The numbers of little girls,

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primarily white girls,

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which makes it, of course, racist, racial attacks,

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but also seek girls and boys.

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And this has been covered up and suppressed

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for well north of 50 or 60 years.

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50 or 60 years.

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You've got Jimmy Saville at the BBC,

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one of the most horrendously evil pedophile

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and rapists and necrophiliacs

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and promoted to the highest level

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of media and society.

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And you have governments that covered up

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the mass rape of children.

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That is so hard for people to process.

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Because of course, what's the traditional argument

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with the Hobbesian argument like,

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well, you've got to give up some rights

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so that you get protected by the government.

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And the government not only brings people in

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and covers up their crimes,

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but will actually arrest you

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for trying to arrest you, your own children.

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There were times when British fathers,

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it's a horrible, it's such a horrible topic.

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There were times when British fathers

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were trying to get their children back

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from these rape gangs

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and they were arrested,

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the fathers were arrested for disturbing the peace.

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And this stuff is so horrendous

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that to ask young people to have respect for this,

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because it's not being ripped out to the root and branch.

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It's not like, oh my God, we've found out about this,

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we've got to fix this,

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we've got to find the people who are responsible for it

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and prosecute them for covering up a crime

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for being complicit in the mass rape of children.

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No one is ripping this out to the root and branch.

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And then to say to people,

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ah, well, you said herty words on the internet,

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so we're going to come out and get you

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or after this cover up of this mass rape of children,

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which is, it's so beyond comprehension for anyone

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with any basic morals, virtues or love of children

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or protection of culture,

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it's so incomprehensible.

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You know, I feel bad if I get a fact wrong in a podcast.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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And for then the British establishment to say,

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oh, the problem is white supremacy and Tommy Robinson.

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That's the problem.

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And it's like, again, if you're inside that matrix,

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if you're inside that Truman Show,

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maybe that all makes sense in some bizarro.

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But if you're outside looking at the actual morals of society,

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you have governments after governments

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and both the labor and the conservatives in England, right?

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So the left and the right in Margaret Thatcher

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suppressed inquiries into pedophilia at the highest levels.

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So you have governments covering up the mass rape of children.

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And then those governments say,

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we represent law, virtue, goodness and order.

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And we're going to tell you who the bad guys are.

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And I'm like, are you killing me?

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Are you kidding me?

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It's almost beyond comprehension

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how skeptical young people are of the societies they live in.

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I mean, in America and in most places,

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resistance to mass immigration has been extraordinarily high

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for many, many, many decades.

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Everybody says less immigration to no immigration,

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less immigration, does anybody listen?

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No.

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And you cannot listen to the people.

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You cannot listen to the people, for sure.

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And you can support and protect warmongers.

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And you can support and protect those who cover up

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the rape and grooming of children.

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And you can support all those people.

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But if you do that, I guarantee you,

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your big problem isn't Nick Fuentes.

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Your big problem is the moral rotten corruption

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at the center of your own institutions.

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And if you can't reform that, yelling about, you know,

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and he's, look, he's rude, he's aggressive.

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He's divisive.

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At times, I'd, again, I can't judge the guy as a whole.

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And he's an edgelord and he says stuff that, you know,

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I mean, anyone clipped can be made to look like a lunatic.

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But yeah, he's edgy and so on.

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And that's that is part of the culture and so on.

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And that stuff he says that I significantly disagree with.

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But I look at the moral problems in the world right now,

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the war, debt, enslavement, mass, child rape, rising crime rates,

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and the disintegration of any central ethos in society.

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And I say, is a podcaster the big issue?

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It's a little hard to follow that logic.

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Because when corrupt people get upset, and I think,

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and again, I can't speak for people as a whole,

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but I just wonder if people look at,

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maybe, I mean, I watched the Sopranos finally.

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And in the Sopranos, of course, there's a guy

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who's going to inform on the mob, right?

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I can't remember his name, whatever.

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Although it's funny because he's reading Nozick's

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Anarchy State in Utopia.

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I remember that very significantly from the series.

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I don't know what that means, but it was in the series.

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And so there's a guy who's going to inform on the mob.

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He witnessed a crime.

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And the mob wants to de-platform him, right?

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They want to find out who he is so they can kill him, right?

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As they do with Adriana and some of the other characters

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who they feel might inform on them.

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Pussy, whatever his name is, right?

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So if the mob wants to wipe you out,

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it's because you have something harmful to the mob.

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In other words, you're probably on the side of the good guys.

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And again, without going into details about Nick

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or anything like that, which I can't really speak to,

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but I think that there's a lot of young people

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who are like, okay, well, if the system is really corrupt,

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the system is really corrupt,

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then corrupt people only go after honest people.

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Corrupt people only go after other people.

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If they view society as kind of a pretty corrupt semi-

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whatever, like negative institution,

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or full of negative institutions or corrupt institutions,

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okay, so if it's like the mob, right?

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It's like, well, the mob is targeting this guy.

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It's like, well, it's either because he's a competitor to the mob

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and they want to wipe him out

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because he's a criminal who's going to muscle him into territory

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or he's an informant who's going to try and put the mob in jail.

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Now, obviously, people with podcasts are not vying

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for the very centers of political power

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or anything that run the judiciary or anything like that.

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So it's probably not competitors,

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and so it's a lot easier to attack outsiders

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than clean up your own conscience.

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And I think that a lot of that is happening,

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and I think it's a real shame.

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I think that people should try to address...

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I'm a big root cause guy.

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If you can't address root causes,

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you're just playing whack-a-mole with all of the effects

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and it doesn't solve anything.

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Sorry, again, I got to tell you when it's the end of the speech

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because I can go on and I appreciate your patience.

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I mean, it's all good, man. I like that.

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It's no surprise that these people in power

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don't go after the child predators

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when they're the child predators themselves,

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especially in the UK, I remember a few years ago,

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the UK had to stop naming streets after politicians

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because later investigations would reveal eventually

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that those politicians were pedophiles

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and they would have to go back and re-change the streets again.

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Sir Edward Heath was one of the recent ones,

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former prime minister, you know.

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We also covered the mass rapes that were not being reported

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by police and they were all getting let go.

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It's like what...

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this open-air corruption that these...

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like you mentioned, that these kids are...

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the younger kids are watching.

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It's almost hard not to become a nihilist, right?

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They're falling right into this,

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I believe that this is deliberate, right?

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And it's the...

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when they do censor people,

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the censorship drives these voices

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into more polarized sides, if you will.

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Even when they aren't polarized,

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they're still viewed as polarized by so many people.

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And we saw a perfect example of that with Charlie Kirk.

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The media, the online outrage mob,

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you know, they took so many of this man's sentences.

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Now, I don't agree with Charlie Kirk

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on a whole bunch of shit that he said,

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but he was right in his DEI practices,

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speeches and stuff like that,

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but so many of his... of these sentences that he said

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were like chopped up and then posted...

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pasted to memes and he was sold as a racist.

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You know, it's like...

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it's a classic disinformation tactic,

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like to edit the reality to fit the smear.

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And of course, you know, everybody lapped it up

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like good little sheep that they are.

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And you know, it's like a tactic of decontextualization.

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It's not new.

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And it kind of brings me to your own private

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or public profile.

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Sorry.

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You know, anyone who Googles your name

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is immediately hit with your Wikipedia page

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and which reads like a laundry list of isms, right?

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I know I'm sure you've looked at it like

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racism, misogynism, white nationalism.

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It's a rap sheet designed to end all discussion

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before it starts.

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I said something at the beginning of the podcast

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that that's exactly how you get to a situation

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where we are right now.

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And it's dangerous because this does lead

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to polarizing voices that aren't the best ones

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to be representing the ideas that, you know,

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represent like non-aggression principle

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and libertarianism, peaceful parenting.

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It represents extremism.

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And people, they lift these extremists up

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to the, you know, to the podiums.

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And I believe that gets dangerous.

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And that's what leads to civil war.

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And that's how society degrades into something

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that's not salvageable, in my opinion, you know.

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But from your perspective, you know,

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as a man who's, you know, had his own words

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analyzed and clipped and used by the mob

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for years, like how much of that, like,

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public rap sheet is deliberate, bad faith,

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decontextualization, like the same tactic

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we saw against Kirk, you know.

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And how do you even begin to fight that narrative

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when the official record is controlled

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by the very people who profit from that smear?

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Yeah, I mean, all of it, all of it.

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I mean, I remember my picture was on the

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front cover of the New York Saturday Times

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three times, three times, right?

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And sort of the lie was that I said

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that the different races are different species.

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And of course, I wasn't talking about that at all.

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I was talking about, I was basically saying

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that you could, and it's not even,

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it wasn't even anything original that I did.

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I said, you can kind of look at criminals and their victims

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in a predator-prey relationship, right?

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Like they're different species.

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I said, I know they're not different species,

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but it's an analogous way of looking at it.

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So simply talking about predators and criminals

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and victims, not anything to do with ethnicity,

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but anyway, so that's all just nonsense in the lie.

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But the funny thing is that you can,

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you can see all the way back to the 1940s,

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all the leftists and communists were saying,

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they gave their whole game plan.

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They said, look, if somebody becomes annoying to us,

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we will simply call them a white supremacist,

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a white nationalist.

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We will call them a Nazi and a racist

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until we can erase them from public discourse.

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So even when, like for 70 years ago, right?

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70 years ago, maybe years ago,

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they said, this is what we're going to do.

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It doesn't matter.

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It still works.

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It's funny, you know, like if Rommel in North Africa

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would have published his entire battle plans

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three months before he did them, he'd be defeated.

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And these guys have openly said,

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this is our plan.

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This is what we're going to do.

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And it still works.

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It still works.

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It's amazing.

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So, but I mean, that's the deal, right?

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If you're going to tell the truth,

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you're going to piss off liars.

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If you're going to tell the truth,

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if you're going to promote virtue,

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you're going to thwart the intentions of evil doers.

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And that's the gig.

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That's the deal.

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It's like when I was in the business world,

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if I never annoyed my competitors,

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I would go out of business

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because you have to win contracts

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that your competitors want.

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And you have to get the business your competitors want

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and you have to get the employees

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your competitors want to hire.

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So, to do good in the world

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means to be targeted by those

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whose evil intentions you're thwarting.

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And that is the gig.

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That is the deal.

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It comes with great honor.

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Not in the present, right?

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I mean, Socrates was put to death

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by the majority vote in the present.

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So in the present, or Jesus, of course,

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in the present, you're viewed as a villain.

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And then down the road, down the road,

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you know, long after you're dead,

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maybe your grandchildren enjoy the renewed,

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the renewed praise of your foresight and intellect.

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But yeah, that is just the deal.

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You know, like China has these 500 year plans.

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I mean, I think half a millennium for philosophy

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is pretty good.

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It's pretty good.

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It takes about, well, maybe with the internet,

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it will go down to something shorter,

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but it takes at least two or three generations

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for people to catch up with an innovator,

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particularly a moral innovator.

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Like it took centuries before,

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it took centuries to end slavery,

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which was a white Western Christian mission,

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which England only finished paying off

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for a couple of years ago,

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the debt for freeing the slaves in the 19th century.

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But it took centuries from the first people to say,

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hey, maybe slavery is not particularly moral

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to actually being able to end slavery.

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It just, it takes a long time.

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People don't think they're just programmed.

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They're NPCs.

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And what you can do is you can adjust things a little bit,

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right?

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So you can move people to some small degree

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and then their children are raised

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with a little bit more latitude

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and get exposure to more information.

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It really is like trying to change society

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is like trying to turn around some giant super tanker.

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You know, you can spin the wheel

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and then your grandchildren get to see the other direction.

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It works like that.

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I mean, so yeah, we feel like Nick Fuentes,

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well, a lot we disagree on.

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A lot we disagree on.

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I don't like the single answer of society's problems.

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I don't like he's a Christian.

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I'm not.

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He's a nationalist.

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I'm not.

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He's a statist.

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I'm not.

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In fact, I consider those pretty negative

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and appalling positions.

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But I had a conversation with this as many years ago.

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I think it was like 18 or something like that.

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We did a show.

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So there's a lot I disagree with him.

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You've got to find common ground

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so that you can bring people

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to a better perspective or position hopefully

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in the long run.

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But yeah, the slander tool works very well.

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It works very well because

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not because people believe it

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or they know about it or they think about it.

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But what they do is they say,

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powerful people are pissed with this guy.

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I don't want to get any splash damage.

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I mean, that's the same thing with you guys.

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Those are powerful people are pissed at this guy.

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They're going to go after him.

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I don't want to get caught up in the mix.

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And you know, and again,

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you know, most people don't have any relationship

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to the truth.

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They only have a relationship to approval,

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you know, that old meme of like,

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if particularly if you don't lift,

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like for a man, if you're not physically fit,

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if you don't lift, you don't know what you think

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because you're just a low T week conformist

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and you're just going with the flow,

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social metaphysician stuff that

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I and Wren talked about.

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So yeah, I don't,

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I don't have much respect for people who don't lift.

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I don't have much respect for people who don't,

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who've never worked a manual job,

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a manual labor job

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because they don't have much of a direct connection to reality.

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Everything's open to manipulation.

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Oh, I forgot about the test.

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Can I retake it?

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It's like, but if you make a mistake

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with some physical implement,

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you could lose an arm, right?

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You can't negotiate with that.

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So you've got to really surrender

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to objective reality if you work.

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I don't generally respect people

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who have never ventured much

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out of their high trust societies.

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You know, I was reading some academic this morning.

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Hey, let's go.

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Let's go current, shall we?

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Let's go.

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Let's go live.

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Karen, what did I read this morning?

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It was pretty funny.

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It sort of conforms to this,

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this meme as an expert,

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you know, and it always is followed

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by the worst conceivable,

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conceivable take that you could have.

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And I think I'm going to be fine.

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But as an expert, right?

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So Elon Musk has been criticizing pathological altruism, right?

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And he said, as an expert,

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you know, empathy is really good for society

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because it allows for, you know,

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lists all these positive things, right?

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And it's like, so this is a guy,

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he grew up in a high trust neighborhood.

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He is an academic, I assume.

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And so he's in a fairly high trust environment

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called academia, you know,

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there's not a lot of cultural predation

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and violence that goes on in academia.

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I mean, it's bitchy,

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but that's only because the stakes are so small.

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But this is a guy who doesn't understand

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that there are cultures out there

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wherein it's perfectly permissible to lie to

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and steal from outsiders.

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So he's like, empathy is really good.

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And it's like, how could you be studying this stuff

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for decades and not know that there are predatory

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in-group preference cultures out there?

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I mean, that level of ignorance is almost staggering.

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So people who've never ventured out

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of their high trust environments

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to actually understand about the world,

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I view them as, it's like a chihuahua

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trying to give advice to a wolf.

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It's like, you know, just whack your tail

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and you'll get food.

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Just bark in a cute way

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and you'll be put in Paris Hilton's head back.

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Why would I listen to anyone like that?

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I'm sorry, again, a bit of a side read,

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but go ahead.

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No, I think you made some great points there.

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And I think there is some overlap

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with one of my questions that I had

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about cultural preservation.

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But to be honest, stuff,

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we're getting a little low on time.

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I think we probably only have time

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for maybe two more questions.

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And I know generally at the end of the podcast,

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Matt does the white pill question

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where we try to leave on a positive note.

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And it's my fault.

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It's my fault that we were low on questions.

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I take full ownership.

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Sorry.

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No, it's great.

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I mean, you're feeding us everything that we want.

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You know, we're hoping to get some opinions

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and truth and philosophy out of you.

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So I think so far this has been great.

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But do you have any preference?

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I can't quite decide if we talked about pragmatism

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versus principle or my other questions,

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divide and conquer versus cultural preservation.

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Do you have any preference?

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Oh, yeah.

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Let's go with the first one if that's all right.

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So obviously it's a big one.

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You know, the pragmatism versus principle debate.

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And we've wrestled with this for years on the podcast.

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It's come up in multiple conversations with a bunch

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of different guests.

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And I'm not sure we've really gotten any closer.

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So you do seem like the guy to ask the question to,

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but you know, obviously at the heart of libertarian

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philosophy is principle, the non-aggression principle,

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self-ownership, property rights.

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They're not just subjective preferences, right?

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They're moral commitments.

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And of course, not all libertarians hold a line equally,

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right?

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Some of them treat the principles a little bit more sacred.

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Some of them are a little more flexible.

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With the rise of Trump, and even through the COVID years,

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we saw this different direction emerge.

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Rhetoric in the Liberty circles about pragmatism

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kind of became a little more prevalent.

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COVID in particular, you know, we saw the left

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who dominated a lot of state and local positions

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really tighten the chains with like the lockdowns

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and the mandates and all the draconian policies

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and everything, which seemed like it was a big wake-up call

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to a lot of people, not just libertarians.

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But it did feel like at that time,

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the libertarians realized that standing by their principles

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had these real-life consequences,

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and it didn't do a lot to really stop the onslaught of tyranny.

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So some people even, you know, back Trump

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not because he was libertarian,

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but because he seemed like he was this person

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against the system, right?

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So I think most of us naturally want to live by our principles,

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but there seems to be an adoption process,

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like a critical mass, like a scaling of sorts

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to really resonate on a social level.

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So I guess the question that I've been asking

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is if our principles don't immediately stop tyranny,

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then like, you know, what's the utility there?

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And if pragmatism does help push the needle towards liberty

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even slightly, are they worth compromising?

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So like, you know, when does pragmatic engagement

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become kind of the necessary resistance?

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And is there a point when preserving libertarian purity

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actually kind of undermines liberty itself?

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Yeah, I mean, this is...

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I don't want to speak for Mike Cernovich,

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but he's very much on the pragmatist side.

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So the way that I view this question

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is that you need a bell curve.

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So if you don't have the principled people,

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the pragmatic people become amoral.

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If you don't have the pragmatic people,

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the principled people remain easily victimized ideologues

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or utopians, if that makes sense.

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So not everyone has to sit in the middle, right?

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So we don't want just pure pragmatism

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because that just means compromising

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and telling the voters whatever they want

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in order to gain power, which is going to corrupt everyone.

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At the same time, we don't want people who just

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talk about ideals and ideas

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because that is not going to change

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or move the needle much in practical society.

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Does that sort of make sense?

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Yeah.

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So you have a bell curve.

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So you need people in the middle

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who can translate the ideals into the pragmatic action.

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You need the pragmatists

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who are going to be able to implement that stuff.

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You know, the sort of Scott Pressler pounding on the doors

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and signing up the voters and all that kind of stuff.

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And you need the idealists to steer the ship,

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to make sure that you're not over-compromising in pragmatism

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to the point where, like, a lot of the Republican Party,

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you end up just chasing dollars and donations

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and minor, well, wins,

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but without fundamentally reversing the course

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or direction of the country.

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Now, myself, I'm very pragmatic

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and that sort of comes out of growing up poor

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and running businesses and so on,

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like you have a very...

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I've been working with my hands for quite some time

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as a manual laborer.

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Skilled manual laborer, but manual laborer, nonetheless.

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And so I...

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An idealist, I want to put out the principles and the virtues.

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I do want them to be brought into action.

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So this is where the libertarian movement

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and I, many, many years ago, kind of parted ways.

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And so I'm a business guy.

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So SWAT analysis, Six Sigma stuff.

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As a business guy, what you do is you say,

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what is the biggest market I could enter?

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What is the biggest market?

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The biggest market that I can't enter who cares, right?

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If it's a small market, then I could enter

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and I can sell three widgets who cares.

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What is the biggest market I could actually sell into?

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That's sort of the question.

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So having been an entrepreneur for a long time

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before I got into the sort of libertarian circles,

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when I said, okay, so we've got the non-aggression principle.

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That's a really good thing, man.

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That's the wonderful thing.

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Now, what is the biggest violation

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of the non-aggression principle that we can do the most about?

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Now you could say, well, the biggest violation

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of the non-aggression principle is war and fiat currency.

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A lot of the two sides of the same coin that Bitcoin

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is trying to take on, right?

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You say, okay, biggest violation in the moment

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is unjust imprisonment, totalitarianism, war,

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and fiat currency.

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Okay, though those are big, what can we do about them?

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Nothing.

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Nothing.

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As individuals, we can't stop war.

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We can't knock on the door of the Fed and say,

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oh, I made, you got a license for that money.

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Right, so we can't go and stop that.

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And if we did try to stop that,

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and let's say you could turn off fiat currency tomorrow

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and it would be a basket of commodities

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or gold-backed currency or Bitcoin-backed currency

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or something like that.

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I mean, there would just be massive amounts of suffering

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which would be blamed upon whoever did that

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and it would lose legitimacy for generations,

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all that kind of stuff, right?

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So what I did is I said, okay,

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what's the biggest violation of the non-aggression principle

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in society that we can do the most about?

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I said, okay, well, spanking.

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Circumcision, spanking, child abuse, like whatever.

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That's the biggest violation of the non-aggression principle

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that we can do the most about, right?

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Those overlapping circles.

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It's big and we can do something about it.

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And we don't have to win elections.

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We don't have to raise a billion dollars.

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Plus, we don't have to become experts.

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We don't have to have abs.

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I can tell you that for sure.

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So the biggest violation of the non-aggression principle

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that we can do the most about is child abuse.

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Now, I also have a whole theory which I won't get into here.

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People can find it at fdrpodcast.com,

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the family in the state,

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that child abuse leads to a belief in the government

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because if it's children, we believe that

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you need violence to manage your behavior.

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Otherwise, you're going to run wild.

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Then when you grow up and the government says,

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well, we need the government to manage your behavior.

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Otherwise, society runs wild.

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You just believe it because it's how you grew up, right?

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You believe it like you speak English.

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If you grow up speaking English, it's just the way that it is.

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So I focused very heavily on that.

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I interviewed Jordan Riyak and other experts on spanking.

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I put forward all the data.

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I got the truth about spanking.

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And I said, if you are a libertarian,

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the first place you should be looking for is child abuse.

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Because also people who abuse as children

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have a very tough time reasoning as adults

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because of trauma and dark spots within the brain.

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So we have to focus on child abuse

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because we want to show the value of the non-aggression principle.

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If we can show how beautiful and powerful

01:00:06.030 --> 01:00:07.270
the non-aggression principle is,

01:00:07.990 --> 01:00:11.490
people will start to accept it and understand it, right?

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I mean, if you can't convince people

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that your diet and exercise regime is good,

01:00:15.410 --> 01:00:17.870
then go get you and your friends to follow it.

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And then you'll be this bunch of people

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that look like the cast members of 300,

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which is 300 abs per person,

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and will believe you.

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And so the pragmatism for me, it's funny,

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because as a philosopher and as a moral idealist,

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I'm called abstract and idealistic

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and non-pragmatic or what's the pragmatic solution.

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And I'm like, no, no, no.

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I gave everyone exactly the best way

01:00:45.550 --> 01:00:49.150
to oppose violations of the non-aggression principle,

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child abuse, that they can do the most about.

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They can raise children peacefully themselves.

01:00:53.250 --> 01:00:56.630
They can promote peaceful parenting among friends,

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extended family.

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They can talk about the evils of spanking.

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And I did a back of the napkin calculation

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about a year ago.

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1.5 billion assaults on children

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have been stopped by what it is I've done.

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1.5, not million, billion.

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Of course, I arguably believe also

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because I get emails of people who are like,

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oh, I wasn't going to have kids,

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and I saw how much fun you were having with your daughter,

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and I now can apply the non-aggression principle

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to my parenting, so I had kids,

01:01:23.530 --> 01:01:25.110
at least half a million people.

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I mean, I've got one tweet made 60,000 people

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on my Taylor Swift tweet,

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but at least half a million people have come into existence

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because of what it is that I've done.

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I'm like the Mr. Chips.

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I only had one child of my own,

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but I got a lot of kids in a way.

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And a billion and a half assaults against children

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prevented, you know,

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hundreds and hundreds of thousands of circumcisions

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prevented by what?

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So as far as actually

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preventing violations

01:01:51.330 --> 01:01:53.610
or stopping violations of the non-aggression principle,

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I think I'm pretty fracking pragmatic.

01:01:56.490 --> 01:01:57.590
I mean, it actually has

01:01:57.590 --> 01:01:59.850
happened to me. I say, yes, but politics

01:01:59.850 --> 01:02:01.210
is like, okay, libertarian parties

01:02:01.210 --> 01:02:02.670
support all this effort into politics

01:02:02.670 --> 01:02:05.270
rather than preventing child abuse.

01:02:06.010 --> 01:02:06.790
What's that done?

01:02:07.670 --> 01:02:08.490
What's that done?

01:02:08.490 --> 01:02:10.010
I mean, I've got pragmatic

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things.

01:02:12.090 --> 01:02:13.890
That's a terrible way of putting it.

01:02:14.430 --> 01:02:15.990
Things. I have had

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virtuous pragmatic measurable effects

01:02:18.410 --> 01:02:20.550
in preventing the non-aggression principle.

01:02:20.930 --> 01:02:22.290
Everybody who's poured heart and soul

01:02:22.290 --> 01:02:24.850
into nagging politicians and so on.

01:02:25.110 --> 01:02:25.690
What have you got?

01:02:26.510 --> 01:02:28.590
And, you know, if libertarians had listened to me,

01:02:28.590 --> 01:02:30.410
we'd have a whole generation of people

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nearing their teens

01:02:32.190 --> 01:02:34.570
and late teens that would be

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amazing and wonderful

01:02:35.890 --> 01:02:36.250
and

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passionate and self-express, you know,

01:02:39.710 --> 01:02:41.810
all the things that my daughter, who's peacefully parented,

01:02:42.030 --> 01:02:42.790
I stayed home with her,

01:02:43.110 --> 01:02:44.330
can show

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and people would then have a tough time dismissing

01:02:47.470 --> 01:02:49.170
the non-aggression principle if they saw

01:02:49.170 --> 01:02:51.650
its effects on actual human beings

01:02:51.650 --> 01:02:53.690
rather than, well, but Milton Friedman

01:02:53.690 --> 01:02:55.450
said, you know, which is a little tough

01:02:55.450 --> 01:02:56.690
to convince people if that makes sense.

01:02:57.250 --> 01:02:59.330
Yeah, man. That's the perfect answer

01:02:59.330 --> 01:03:01.270
to Jason's question, which provides

01:03:01.270 --> 01:03:03.170
the best segue into the white pill question

01:03:03.170 --> 01:03:04.950
that we give our guests

01:03:04.950 --> 01:03:06.010
at the end of the podcast, man.

01:03:06.490 --> 01:03:07.990
But before I get to that, Stefan,

01:03:08.310 --> 01:03:09.850
I want to thank you for coming on.

01:03:10.130 --> 01:03:13.130
This has been a very fascinating discussion.

01:03:13.630 --> 01:03:14.870
As you know, like as Jason mentioned

01:03:14.870 --> 01:03:16.530
at the beginning, we've been censored,

01:03:16.730 --> 01:03:19.010
de-platformed, at our words, constantly

01:03:19.010 --> 01:03:20.710
twisted and taken out of context.

01:03:21.170 --> 01:03:22.850
But, you know, what happened to you

01:03:22.850 --> 01:03:24.390
was like on another level, man.

01:03:25.230 --> 01:03:26.610
You know, seriously.

01:03:27.390 --> 01:03:29.350
And it says a lot about a man's character

01:03:29.350 --> 01:03:30.690
to be able to keep the fight up

01:03:30.690 --> 01:03:32.770
and continue to produce work in the face

01:03:32.770 --> 01:03:34.430
of this shit that you're facing, man.

01:03:34.770 --> 01:03:36.350
Well, and to be fair,

01:03:36.830 --> 01:03:38.210
I caused my own de-platforming.

01:03:38.470 --> 01:03:40.130
I knew that the topics were volatile

01:03:40.770 --> 01:03:42.710
and, you know, I'm not going to complain

01:03:42.710 --> 01:03:44.970
about a head wound when I was literally playing Russian roulette.

01:03:45.250 --> 01:03:46.710
I mean, I know that most people

01:03:46.710 --> 01:03:48.690
are NPCs, I know they're easily programmed

01:03:49.210 --> 01:03:50.650
and I was just willing to

01:03:50.650 --> 01:03:52.810
burn and sacrifice my own income and reputation

01:03:52.810 --> 01:03:54.910
just to get essential truths out into the world.

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I mean, that's the deal.

01:03:56.730 --> 01:03:58.570
Again, that says a lot, man.

01:03:58.570 --> 01:04:00.670
And it proves

01:04:00.670 --> 01:04:01.650
the point that we're discussing.

01:04:02.210 --> 01:04:04.210
And you can't be afraid, even if you disagree

01:04:04.210 --> 01:04:06.170
with these ideas, like to have these full

01:04:06.170 --> 01:04:08.670
context, often difficult, you know,

01:04:08.850 --> 01:04:10.250
conversations, even with people

01:04:10.250 --> 01:04:11.550
that you might disagree with.

01:04:11.910 --> 01:04:14.250
But if you do that, if you don't do that,

01:04:14.310 --> 01:04:15.950
rather, you end up in a world where everyone

01:04:15.950 --> 01:04:17.510
just believes the establishment's nonsense.

01:04:18.170 --> 01:04:19.530
You know, you get this toxic culture

01:04:19.530 --> 01:04:21.030
of what we have right now that is

01:04:21.910 --> 01:04:24.290
easily witnessed on any social media platform

01:04:24.290 --> 01:04:26.250
where it's this culture of censorship

01:04:26.250 --> 01:04:28.390
and outrage and it creates this

01:04:28.390 --> 01:04:30.750
vacuum for these polarizing caricatures

01:04:30.750 --> 01:04:33.250
to become beacons for entire generations.

01:04:33.990 --> 01:04:34.430
You know, of these

01:04:34.430 --> 01:04:36.430
young kids who have nowhere else to put their anger

01:04:36.430 --> 01:04:38.290
and rage, but into these people that are

01:04:38.290 --> 01:04:39.830
filled with hate so often, you know.

01:04:40.330 --> 01:04:42.410
But I mean, all this, go back

01:04:42.410 --> 01:04:44.170
to what your previous answer to that

01:04:44.170 --> 01:04:46.330
question, it feels like a symptom of a deeper problem.

01:04:46.930 --> 01:04:48.270
And it certainly

01:04:48.270 --> 01:04:49.910
is, you know, that problem you've

01:04:49.910 --> 01:04:51.990
dedicated, you know, decades of your life to addressing

01:04:51.990 --> 01:04:53.870
and it's peaceful parenting.

01:04:53.870 --> 01:04:55.950
We had, I'm sure you're familiar with, Dana Martin

01:04:55.950 --> 01:04:57.530
on the podcast, talk about this

01:04:58.030 --> 01:04:59.510
very solution and

01:04:59.510 --> 01:05:01.970
your work, like your book, you know, Peaceful Parenting

01:05:01.970 --> 01:05:03.950
is the philosophical foundation for it.

01:05:03.970 --> 01:05:05.950
I know Jason and I both stay at home with our kids

01:05:05.950 --> 01:05:07.730
and we also practice peaceful parenting.

01:05:08.450 --> 01:05:09.090
No circumcisions.

01:05:09.830 --> 01:05:11.550
Yes, no circumcisions, exactly.

01:05:12.750 --> 01:05:13.610
I had to put together

01:05:13.610 --> 01:05:16.110
a PowerPoint show to convince my family

01:05:16.110 --> 01:05:18.010
that we weren't going to circumcise my son's 16.

01:05:18.190 --> 01:05:19.870
Yeah, you don't want to say to your sons, hey, I don't

01:05:19.870 --> 01:05:21.330
mean to cut you off. Anyway, sorry, go ahead.

01:05:21.330 --> 01:05:23.570
Yeah, funny story.

01:05:23.750 --> 01:05:25.050
I was on, I was watching Mark Norman

01:05:25.050 --> 01:05:27.030
at a comedy show and he has

01:05:27.030 --> 01:05:29.210
at the end of the show, he allows people to yell

01:05:29.210 --> 01:05:31.030
out, like different

01:05:31.030 --> 01:05:33.310
subjects to, to like

01:05:33.310 --> 01:05:35.690
to do comedy bits on and I yelled out circumcision

01:05:35.690 --> 01:05:37.430
and he said, oh

01:05:38.590 --> 01:05:39.490
hey, Dick

01:05:39.490 --> 01:05:41.430
how nice of you to cut me off.

01:05:42.490 --> 01:05:43.630
He posted it

01:05:43.630 --> 01:05:45.630
to his Instagram and it was absolutely hilarious.

01:05:45.730 --> 01:05:46.650
Anyway, I digress.

01:05:47.370 --> 01:05:48.870
I'm making those jokes about female

01:05:48.870 --> 01:05:51.130
circumcision and you're having a whole different life.

01:05:51.690 --> 01:05:52.950
Right, it's the same exact

01:05:52.950 --> 01:05:55.050
thing in my opinion. But, you know

01:05:55.050 --> 01:05:56.510
anyway, it seems like this

01:05:56.510 --> 01:05:59.050
culture of coercion, this cancel culture

01:05:59.050 --> 01:05:59.850
this addiction

01:06:00.710 --> 01:06:02.570
to punishing people for wrong

01:06:02.570 --> 01:06:04.790
thing, it's the exact same mindset

01:06:04.790 --> 01:06:06.910
that's molded in these coercive families, man.

01:06:07.370 --> 01:06:08.630
And, you know, reading over

01:06:08.630 --> 01:06:10.990
your book, I haven't read the whole thing, but I looked over the

01:06:10.990 --> 01:06:12.130
abridged version of it, man.

01:06:13.330 --> 01:06:14.950
It's this cycle of justification,

01:06:15.250 --> 01:06:16.770
you know, and but it applies

01:06:16.770 --> 01:06:18.850
to the entire public square and it's

01:06:18.850 --> 01:06:20.850
dangerous. So, for the white pill

01:06:20.850 --> 01:06:23.150
I want to bring it back to that foundation

01:06:23.150 --> 01:06:25.090
for the parents listening right now

01:06:25.090 --> 01:06:26.730
who are trying to guide their current

01:06:26.730 --> 01:06:28.770
children through this insane

01:06:29.610 --> 01:06:30.850
polarized world that

01:06:30.850 --> 01:06:32.750
like is basically post

01:06:32.750 --> 01:06:34.950
truth. What's the most important

01:06:34.950 --> 01:06:36.830
advice you can give them and

01:06:36.830 --> 01:06:38.790
also for the new generation, like

01:06:38.790 --> 01:06:40.890
the young people who you mentioned

01:06:40.890 --> 01:06:42.870
just a second ago who don't have

01:06:42.870 --> 01:06:44.850
kids yet but, you know, are trying

01:06:44.850 --> 01:06:46.930
to find their way to it and build their own families.

01:06:47.510 --> 01:06:48.850
What are the most critical tools

01:06:48.850 --> 01:06:50.590
they need to start owning now,

01:06:51.130 --> 01:06:52.610
you know, to bring new sovereign

01:06:52.610 --> 01:06:54.670
and resilient children into this world

01:06:54.670 --> 01:06:57.210
and to try to break this vicious cycle, man?

01:06:57.850 --> 01:06:58.670
That's a great question.

01:06:58.990 --> 01:07:01.010
So, the first thing you need

01:07:01.010 --> 01:07:02.990
to do is to lower your expectation.

01:07:03.290 --> 01:07:04.470
So, a lot of people who grew up in

01:07:05.270 --> 01:07:06.730
McMansions in the suburbs

01:07:06.730 --> 01:07:08.890
or whatever, they say, well, that's what I got to have

01:07:08.890 --> 01:07:10.490
to have children. It's like, no, you don't.

01:07:10.890 --> 01:07:12.810
You really, really don't. Most of

01:07:12.810 --> 01:07:14.430
their ancestors lived on

01:07:14.430 --> 01:07:16.230
a dollar a day by modern

01:07:17.290 --> 01:07:18.630
economics, right, by sort of modern

01:07:18.630 --> 01:07:20.270
dollar value and

01:07:20.670 --> 01:07:22.270
throughout the entire sort of

01:07:22.270 --> 01:07:24.010
multi-billion march of

01:07:24.010 --> 01:07:26.550
evolution, human beings for the last

01:07:26.550 --> 01:07:28.310
million years lived on virtually nothing

01:07:28.310 --> 01:07:30.630
and half their children died. You don't need

01:07:30.630 --> 01:07:32.450
a mansion, you don't need a car,

01:07:32.990 --> 01:07:34.390
you know, to raise

01:07:34.390 --> 01:07:36.510
your kids in an apartment, I grew up in

01:07:36.510 --> 01:07:38.650
an apartment, not a big problem, not a big

01:07:38.650 --> 01:07:40.350
issue. It's got to lower your standards. The standard

01:07:40.350 --> 01:07:42.370
of living is down. The boomers

01:07:42.370 --> 01:07:43.990
were the peak of wealth.

01:07:44.550 --> 01:07:45.870
Gen X and then the

01:07:46.530 --> 01:07:48.250
millennials or Gen Y, you just

01:07:48.250 --> 01:07:50.530
have to settle for less. You're not going to get what your parents had.

01:07:50.710 --> 01:07:52.130
You're just not going to get what your parents had.

01:07:52.210 --> 01:07:54.230
But don't let that stop you from having

01:07:54.230 --> 01:07:56.030
children. Children don't care about stuff.

01:07:56.330 --> 01:07:57.590
They care about their parents.

01:07:58.450 --> 01:08:00.210
You know, the most fun that my daughter and

01:08:00.210 --> 01:08:01.670
I had was in conversation

01:08:02.240 --> 01:08:04.070
and made up verbal gameplay

01:08:04.070 --> 01:08:06.110
and so on, right? It was not

01:08:06.110 --> 01:08:08.210
in going to Chuck E. Cheese

01:08:08.210 --> 01:08:10.070
and spending a lot of money and so on.

01:08:10.310 --> 01:08:12.070
So, the kids care about

01:08:12.070 --> 01:08:13.910
you, they care about conversation, they care

01:08:13.910 --> 01:08:16.090
about good humor, they care about great games,

01:08:16.170 --> 01:08:18.110
they care that you love them and

01:08:18.110 --> 01:08:19.390
want to spend

01:08:19.390 --> 01:08:21.830
a time with them and so on.

01:08:22.050 --> 01:08:22.950
You just

01:08:23.690 --> 01:08:26.270
give of your heart and of your soul

01:08:26.270 --> 01:08:28.450
and of your passion and of your connection

01:08:28.450 --> 01:08:30.070
to your family,

01:08:30.290 --> 01:08:32.190
to your children and don't

01:08:32.190 --> 01:08:33.410
worry so much about the money.

01:08:33.990 --> 01:08:36.130
Don't worry, you don't have to buy love.

01:08:36.130 --> 01:08:38.730
I mean, obviously you need some minimum and so on.

01:08:39.130 --> 01:08:40.290
Don't be afraid to ask your parents.

01:08:40.590 --> 01:08:42.010
Your parents are almost, I mean, certainly

01:08:42.010 --> 01:08:43.930
wealthier than you and there's no point

01:08:43.930 --> 01:08:46.010
waiting until you're dead to hand money to your

01:08:46.010 --> 01:08:47.710
kids. Have your parents help you out.

01:08:48.190 --> 01:08:50.010
Don't be afraid to ask for help and

01:08:50.010 --> 01:08:52.130
just recognize that what

01:08:52.130 --> 01:08:54.390
seems like tragedy at the time

01:08:54.390 --> 01:08:55.670
can often be

01:08:55.670 --> 01:08:57.390
some of the best times of your life.

01:08:57.510 --> 01:08:59.130
I'm nearing the end of my parenting journey.

01:08:59.290 --> 01:09:01.510
My daughter is almost 17 and

01:09:01.510 --> 01:09:02.970
at least the sort of direct parenting

01:09:02.970 --> 01:09:05.010
and looking back

01:09:05.010 --> 01:09:06.990
at some of the tougher times of the show

01:09:06.990 --> 01:09:08.390
or money or whatever it is

01:09:08.830 --> 01:09:10.810
and it's like it's sort of like

01:09:10.810 --> 01:09:13.110
there are people who men, lots of men

01:09:13.110 --> 01:09:14.910
who come back from war and who later

01:09:14.910 --> 01:09:16.910
on in their life say that war was the greatest

01:09:16.910 --> 01:09:18.790
time they ever had. They had a mission, they had

01:09:18.790 --> 01:09:20.010
companionship, they had

01:09:20.870 --> 01:09:22.830
danger and excitement and if

01:09:22.830 --> 01:09:24.710
people can learn to love war, you can love

01:09:25.310 --> 01:09:26.830
privation, you can love being short of

01:09:26.830 --> 01:09:28.230
things and

01:09:28.830 --> 01:09:30.770
if you have the right people

01:09:30.770 --> 01:09:33.130
in your life, if you have people who align

01:09:33.130 --> 01:09:34.610
with you morally and who are rational

01:09:34.610 --> 01:09:36.110
you can negotiate with and your children

01:09:36.110 --> 01:09:38.350
you can negotiate with. I got a show

01:09:38.350 --> 01:09:40.230
called the ABCs of UPB

01:09:40.230 --> 01:09:42.310
on my website which is

01:09:42.310 --> 01:09:44.550
how to explain ethics to a kid

01:09:44.550 --> 01:09:46.310
who's two or three. I did a show yesterday

01:09:46.310 --> 01:09:48.550
with a guy who says my three-year-old

01:09:48.550 --> 01:09:50.410
and my six-year-old are picky eaters, what do I do

01:09:50.410 --> 01:09:52.330
and we went through a whole conversation.

01:09:52.650 --> 01:09:54.570
You can reason with kids, they want to

01:09:54.570 --> 01:09:56.210
reason, they want to connect with you, they

01:09:56.210 --> 01:09:58.690
want to respect you, hitting them destroys

01:09:58.690 --> 01:10:00.770
all of that. Childhood is like

01:10:00.770 --> 01:10:02.870
a glass, tremulous

01:10:02.870 --> 01:10:04.790
Tennessee Williams Cathedral

01:10:04.790 --> 01:10:06.710
of fragility and it's so easy to

01:10:06.710 --> 01:10:08.690
break and to smash but it becomes so

01:10:08.690 --> 01:10:10.650
incredibly strong if you love

01:10:10.650 --> 01:10:12.150
and reason with

01:10:12.610 --> 01:10:14.850
your children and by reasoning

01:10:14.850 --> 01:10:16.530
with them by teaching them how to negotiate

01:10:16.530 --> 01:10:18.630
to look for win-win situations, to understand

01:10:18.630 --> 01:10:20.570
somebody else's point of view and trying to figure out

01:10:20.570 --> 01:10:22.650
the best way that both the people's needs

01:10:22.650 --> 01:10:24.530
can be met. You are giving them

01:10:24.530 --> 01:10:26.670
advantages, staggering advantages

01:10:26.670 --> 01:10:28.710
in the business world, in the romantic world

01:10:29.150 --> 01:10:30.690
online, among friends

01:10:30.690 --> 01:10:32.690
and so on. They will be the peacemaker, they will

01:10:32.690 --> 01:10:34.670
be the person who leads other people to

01:10:35.670 --> 01:10:36.470
reason and

01:10:36.470 --> 01:10:38.710
negotiation and all you have

01:10:38.710 --> 01:10:40.270
to do, all you have to do

01:10:40.270 --> 01:10:43.190
is not use force. It's a miracle, right?

01:10:43.950 --> 01:10:44.690
With the free

01:10:44.690 --> 01:10:46.790
market, the whole free market, what is it? Well just don't

01:10:46.790 --> 01:10:48.670
use force, don't have serfs, don't have slaves,

01:10:48.910 --> 01:10:50.150
don't have historical

01:10:50.670 --> 01:10:52.770
land going to the best killers of the previous

01:10:52.770 --> 01:10:54.830
generation called the aristocracy, just don't

01:10:54.830 --> 01:10:56.650
use force. If you don't use force

01:10:57.150 --> 01:10:58.870
in the allocation of goods you get, the

01:10:58.870 --> 01:11:00.610
free market you get, the von Mises

01:11:00.610 --> 01:11:03.170
price calculation problem is solved, you get

01:11:03.170 --> 01:11:04.910
efficiency, you get growth, all that had to

01:11:04.910 --> 01:11:07.070
happen for the industrial revolution to occur was for slavery

01:11:07.070 --> 01:11:08.970
and serfdom to end. Just stop using

01:11:08.970 --> 01:11:10.570
force, stop treating people as

01:11:10.570 --> 01:11:12.790
property and livestock and you get

01:11:12.790 --> 01:11:14.830
all of this amazing stuff, all of this amazing

01:11:14.830 --> 01:11:17.030
stuff. It's the same thing in families, it's the same

01:11:17.030 --> 01:11:18.770
thing in all of your relationships. Just

01:11:18.770 --> 01:11:20.690
stop using force, by force can be threats,

01:11:20.890 --> 01:11:23.250
intimidation, blackmail, pouting, slamming

01:11:23.250 --> 01:11:25.310
doors, slamming cupboards, withdrawing

01:11:25.310 --> 01:11:27.170
affection, all of that is just force, manipulation

01:11:27.170 --> 01:11:29.210
fraud, don't lie to people, be

01:11:29.210 --> 01:11:31.410
honest and open with them, cling to your

01:11:31.410 --> 01:11:33.750
heart those who are virtuous and

01:11:33.750 --> 01:11:35.310
through that entire

01:11:35.810 --> 01:11:37.550
society you create a virtuous people, you

01:11:37.550 --> 01:11:39.430
create this immunity to corrupt

01:11:39.430 --> 01:11:41.590
people, because corrupt people will not

01:11:41.590 --> 01:11:42.990
want to spend time with you if you're

01:11:42.990 --> 01:11:45.270
virtuous, so you bring the best people closer

01:11:45.270 --> 01:11:46.970
to you, you automatically drive

01:11:46.970 --> 01:11:49.170
the bad guys away and through that

01:11:49.170 --> 01:11:51.070
process you can have an absolutely wonderful life

01:11:51.070 --> 01:11:53.030
because that's what you can control,

01:11:53.670 --> 01:11:54.930
that's what you can control,

01:11:55.410 --> 01:11:57.030
you can't control what other people

01:11:57.030 --> 01:11:58.830
eat, you can't control what you put in your

01:11:58.830 --> 01:12:00.630
mouth, you can't control what other people

01:12:00.630 --> 01:12:02.350
think, you can't control whether you

01:12:02.350 --> 01:12:04.610
think or not and to take that

01:12:04.610 --> 01:12:06.610
approach as close to paradise as you

01:12:06.610 --> 01:12:08.710
can possibly get and we have such an

01:12:08.710 --> 01:12:10.550
opportunity, I would rather live now

01:12:10.550 --> 01:12:12.510
than any other time in history, we have

01:12:12.510 --> 01:12:14.630
such an opportunity to teach and learn

01:12:14.630 --> 01:12:16.190
from each other, to even have conversations

01:12:16.190 --> 01:12:18.230
you guys and I would never have met

01:12:18.230 --> 01:12:20.190
in the past you never would have heard of me

01:12:20.190 --> 01:12:21.970
I would still be a business entrepreneur

01:12:21.970 --> 01:12:23.350
doing my executive

01:12:24.030 --> 01:12:26.230
board stuff or whatever right, so

01:12:26.230 --> 01:12:27.850
the fact that we have these kinds of conversations

01:12:27.850 --> 01:12:30.170
we have an absolutely unprecedented

01:12:30.170 --> 01:12:32.270
ability to learn how to reason

01:12:32.270 --> 01:12:34.370
with each other, to cross-pollinate

01:12:34.370 --> 01:12:36.070
ideas and to

01:12:36.070 --> 01:12:37.890
learn how to better communicate

01:12:37.890 --> 01:12:40.050
them to other people, it is the

01:12:40.050 --> 01:12:42.110
greatest time in human history, the internet

01:12:42.110 --> 01:12:44.390
as I said like 20 years ago is the new Gutenberg

01:12:44.390 --> 01:12:46.050
press and that you can

01:12:46.050 --> 01:12:48.010
finally, finally we can communicate

01:12:48.010 --> 01:12:49.850
to each other, you and I can talk to each other

01:12:49.850 --> 01:12:51.570
without gatekeepers, without having to go through

01:12:51.570 --> 01:12:53.850
some central agency, we can get this

01:12:53.850 --> 01:12:55.810
information out to the world, people can promote it

01:12:55.810 --> 01:12:57.570
as much as they want without

01:12:57.570 --> 01:12:59.810
having to get licenses or get the approval

01:12:59.810 --> 01:13:01.250
of a rubber stamp or some bureaucrat

01:13:02.610 --> 01:13:03.410
absolutely unprecedented

01:13:04.290 --> 01:13:06.090
in human history and

01:13:06.090 --> 01:13:07.830
to take advantage of this kind of

01:13:07.830 --> 01:13:09.770
communications technology, to

01:13:09.770 --> 01:13:11.350
take advantage of the capacity

01:13:11.350 --> 01:13:13.750
to have the non-aggression principle at the center

01:13:13.750 --> 01:13:15.570
of all of your relationships, honesty

01:13:16.310 --> 01:13:17.190
directness, assertiveness

01:13:17.730 --> 01:13:18.590
and peace

01:13:19.450 --> 01:13:21.530
yeah, the world is a bit of a shite show

01:13:21.530 --> 01:13:23.290
I mean of course, it always has been

01:13:23.290 --> 01:13:25.770
but at least now you can create a corner of paradise

01:13:25.770 --> 01:13:26.950
and perhaps, perhaps

01:13:27.450 --> 01:13:29.770
if that corner of paradise is vivid

01:13:29.770 --> 01:13:31.830
and compelling enough for you and you share

01:13:31.830 --> 01:13:33.690
the beauty and glory of it, I've been married

01:13:33.690 --> 01:13:35.670
23 years, I have a great relationship with friends

01:13:35.670 --> 01:13:37.710
and family and people

01:13:37.710 --> 01:13:39.730
have been interested not knowing anything about

01:13:39.730 --> 01:13:41.950
my show, they say you and your wife

01:13:41.950 --> 01:13:43.450
are so much fun together, what's your secret

01:13:43.450 --> 01:13:45.470
you and your kid get along so well, what's your secret

01:13:45.470 --> 01:13:48.210
and you can then spread it

01:13:48.210 --> 01:13:49.990
that way and that's never

01:13:49.990 --> 01:13:51.650
happened before in human history and

01:13:51.650 --> 01:13:53.890
we've really got to put our muscles

01:13:53.890 --> 01:13:55.830
behind this wheel and get it

01:13:55.830 --> 01:13:57.930
moving because most people

01:13:57.930 --> 01:14:00.310
are going to learn empirically not through abstractions

01:14:00.310 --> 01:14:02.170
and if you bring the non-aggression principle

01:14:02.170 --> 01:14:03.210
to bear in your own life

01:14:03.610 --> 01:14:05.550
people see the glories of

01:14:06.110 --> 01:14:08.050
acting in alignment with p3s and the virtue

01:14:08.490 --> 01:14:09.630
that's going to be a beautiful thing

01:14:09.630 --> 01:14:11.570
if all you do is beat your head against the frustrating

01:14:11.570 --> 01:14:13.150
wall of infinite physics

01:14:13.670 --> 01:14:15.470
of infinite political pain

01:14:15.470 --> 01:14:17.750
then you just look like a frustrated guy

01:14:17.750 --> 01:14:19.530
who never gets anything done, he's never content

01:14:19.530 --> 01:14:21.650
he's never happy and never enjoys his life

01:14:21.650 --> 01:14:23.870
and people ain't going to buy

01:14:23.870 --> 01:14:25.110
diet books from a fat guy

01:14:27.470 --> 01:14:30.430
well said dude, very well said

01:14:39.630 --> 01:14:41.650
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01:14:41.650 --> 01:14:43.830
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tell people where they can finance it before you work

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step on this was a great one man

01:15:52.990 --> 01:15:55.170
if you want to find me look deep into your conscience

01:15:55.170 --> 01:15:57.470
there's a bald speckled forehead down there somewhere

01:15:58.070 --> 01:15:59.650
so yeah freedomain.com

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hell yeah we'll have all these links

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description folks

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man thank you it was awesome

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thank you guys so much I hope we get to talk again

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