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Today we wanted to talk about people that it's kind of a segue from narcissism, which we
were talking about last time, but it's people who present themselves as spiritual gurus
or leaders or whatever and what to watch out for in people like that.
So it's good to be here with you.
Yeah, thanks Max.
I feel like we haven't talked forever either.
So yeah, this is a good topic today, because I think it's with the online community.
There's just so it's so much easier for people to do this.
And you also never really see people in real life, so it's a lot easier for people
to put up this kind of guru image and never really be exposed for who they really are.
Just an added level of the online predator thing that's up since the internet,
like whether it's online dating or, you know, now there's like even all these Bitcoin,
there's just so many predators online.
It's really, really opened up a avenue for people to be more anonymous
than if they lived in a city.
And so we just need to have like extra discernment now because of the opportunity
that people have, it's really going to be up to you to have more discernment at this time.
Yeah, and you know, discernment, a lot of it, like I've noticed for me,
it's, you call it intuition, discernment.
It's also the body, like the body registers things, right?
You know that experiment where they showed people like scary, horrible images
or images of puppies and kittens, and they wired them up
and they would record the reaction a few nanoseconds before the image
even came into the eyes.
Yeah.
So it's even beyond our consciousness, like we know that's what intuition is, right?
They call it proprioception or neuroception, sorry, they call it neuroception.
So anyway, it might be a little harder when you see someone online,
but I think we can still read people.
And so let's launch it with, I had an experience recently with someone
who presented herself as this very evolved, very like top, and that should have been,
it was a red flag for me, but she talked a good talk, right?
So that's, I guess, one red flag.
Someone who thinks that they are superior to most people that, you know, they,
and this person, it rubbed me a little weird because this person would say that she
knew the absolute truth, that she had guides and people that communicated with her,
and that she was, she knew.
And so she, her mission was to teach other people.
And I kind of fell for it.
Sometimes I fall for people that have some narcissism.
I don't know if it's because I had a narcissistic mother,
some more vulnerable to it.
But as it's always a matter of time in my opinion because,
so, you know, this person had a lot of good things that she said and she taught,
but the minute that I suggested a new and different perspective, this woman went nuts.
And she had to attack me and just, and, and, but in a way as if it wasn't just a
little bit, it was like she had to take down everything that I do and who I am.
Like she really had to assert her dominance in a kind of unbelievable way.
It didn't really trigger me because it was so out there.
I was just kind of, I felt like I was watching a bad movie.
I'm like, oh my God, is this really happening?
But I know this woman has people that she trains and teaches and the thing I noticed
that was another red flag is a weird cult-like atmosphere.
So the people put her on a pedestal, they worshipped her and they actually used her
phrases and sentences.
Like they would verbatim repeat things in the way that she has a particular way that she
talks and they would repeat it almost exactly.
And they, so I thought, okay, that's a red flag, but I ignored those red flags because
she was so confident and because a lot of what she said, I agree with and I would
be teaching people too, but the problem really came when I, you know, in just a
neutral way suggested a different perspective to one she had because frankly,
just knowing what I know, I could see she was a little bit mind controlled in her
perspective and that did it.
That ended the whole relationship.
There was no tolerance because I said something that was different than what she said.
Yeah, that's something I've really noticed too is like abusers aren't jerks all the time.
They're usually charming, nice, like they're, you know, they have all these good qualities.
The only time you normally see somebody's nature is when they're not getting what they want.
Like that's always when they start showing who they really are.
So if you're giving somebody what they want all the time and then you're like,
Oh, this person's a great person.
It's like that you're just believing what you want to be true.
And this is something I've been kind of thinking about lately too, because I recently just
watched the funeral of somebody who had passed away that that was an abuser.
And this person had like a fan club and I was just and I mean, everybody does that at funerals.
They all say good stuff about people.
I mean, it's just kind of what we do in our culture, right?
But this particular person was very similar to the person you're describing and just
had this really kind of cult following because of the, because of his charismatic personality, right?
But he had a really poor character and just kind of watching people put somebody on a pedestal
and basically believe what they want to believe about this person.
And I'm like the only way you would have really ever seen this person's true character
is if you actually went against them or didn't give them what they wanted,
then you would have seen the exact opposite side of that point,
which most people don't ever see because when you're involved with these type of people,
you're always just interacting with the surface or the online person or the person on stage.
And they're always doing an image management to seem like this particular type of person.
And it's dangerous because and this is something I've been really thinking about lately
is how much we believe what we want to be true.
You know what I mean?
Like we literally project on to people what we want to be there.
And then where our mind chooses to believe it because we want it to be true.
And that's actually one of the most dangerous things ever.
But we're all wired to be that way.
And so people that have caught on to that can actually exploit it to set themselves up
as this thing that you want them to be.
And so again, it's like we can't really control manipulators,
but we can control the way that we interact with them.
And that is our control is controlling ourselves in relation to them.
And so it's like there's always going to be more people like that out there.
But it's like knowing the things to look for is kind of your best defense.
Yeah.
I had to set a boundary with this person and that was not well received, you know.
Yeah.
But it was interesting one way to test.
Yeah.
They don't like exactly they should have a special boundary.
Yes.
I think this person thought that she was above people,
that she was here to teach them the right way.
And talked about things that I agree with like what you know what it means
when you're triggered and to be to take responsibility like you know for yourself.
Which I think is a really true thing because that's the only thing we can control.
And if we keep always taking responsibility for our side of things,
that makes life much better.
But in this situation when I set a boundary and said something,
instead of taking responsibility like she preaches, she attacked.
Right.
Yeah.
That's really common, really, really common.
And it's always like actually a blessing in disguise when you see that right away.
So it's actually a good way to test people is to try and set a boundary to see
how they react to not getting what they want.
Another thing we talked about earlier was like how these people kind of repackaged things,
right?
So how you were saying there's these good things that drew to the person.
Well, nobody's going to go around to be a jerk and get a cult following, right?
Like, I mean, that's not how it works.
It's like they have to have this good stuff and then you don't look at the stuff
behind the mask because you're looking at the stuff that's put forward to the front of the stage
and they're always doing that.
And so that's how they get people to like see them a certain way to start following them.
And then I think we talked about on another show like Betrayal Blindness
where the more somebody believes they need a relationship or the more like they've
attached because of how much they've invested into a person,
the more they will start blocking contradictory information
because it's too painful to reverse and cut your laws.
So your mind will actually start believing more what you want to see
once that initial bonding has been there, which is based on the good stuff.
And a lot of it, we were saying earlier, it's just repackaged.
Like there's so many people right now that are just taking the same thing,
repackaging it, putting it out in their own workshop, in their own book.
Like it's like the, it's nothing new.
It's a tried and true, you know, spiritual mantras,
like love yourself, take responsibility over yourself.
Like, yeah, of course, you know what I mean?
But these people kind of like package it as like this,
they're selling you something that's already out there for free.
You know what I mean?
So people like yourself who've gone through satanic,
ritual things, when you guys escape it,
wouldn't they naturally want to, I guess chase you and,
hey, we got to catch them so they don't spread the word?
Do you have to worry what would happen?
Or do you have to hide?
Or do you have, yeah, for freedom?
You know, they train us in certain abilities.
We become like a weapon.
And then when we refuse to be serving them, we're still a weapon.
We can push back when we step into our power.
The average human being himself or herself
is way more powerful than these entities
because we are connected to the life force, to God, to the organic.
And they're not.
So we're the sun, they're the moon.
They can only use our reflected light.
And then we know them.
We know what their game is, what their playbook is,
what they're trying to do.
I was trained with a photographic, audiographic memory.
So whenever world events happen, it comes back to me.
And I'm like, oh, shit, right,
they said they were going to do this here, you know.
So now we're at a point where we're a little bit
dangerous.
And this is all of us.
You know, I'm just talking about myself,
but that's the big secret
is that they're actually fucking scared of us.
Yeah.
And, you know, so we're always learning.
We're always growing.
So what do you think about?
Because I think there are, it's kind of two things, right?
There are some people, some of us,
who are, let's say, more advanced in our level of consciousness,
right?
Just like there's some people that have, like you,
who have read 10,000 books,
who have some more knowledge in your brain or whatever.
But I think a red flag is someone who literally says
they, like this person said, she knew the absolute truth
and presents herself as above.
So I think that could be something to look out for
when you're following someone.
Because I think the more healed you are,
the more evolved you are, I have found,
the more I realize, I don't know, shit.
And the more you realize that everything
and everyone around you is always teaching you something.
So there's a certain humility
that comes with someone who's truly at a higher level
of health and consciousness, right?
Yeah, that's another really big red flag for just cults in general.
And we live in a giant cult, right?
So they're using all these techniques on us
through like government, scientists, experts, news like,
it's the same as cult leaders.
It's the same as a news broadcaster getting on the news
every day saying, this is reality, this is truth,
this is what you need to be looking at.
And we're going to tell it to you, right?
And so, yeah, and that can be an interpersonal relationship
just like dating somebody.
It can be like, oh, well, I'm the authority on things
and I'll teach you, right?
It's really this setting yourself up as a middle man,
which is essentially what a lot of churches have done too, right?
Like they're the vicar, you know, they're the representative.
You go through them, it's like always setting themselves up
on something you could access yourself without them,
but acting like they are required to be there
as a required service, which we see that all over our society.
Like people setting themselves up as gatekeepers
and then acting like you have to go through them
to get what is actually already available to everybody.
It's like a false role they've made for themselves
to be required when they're not.
Yeah, I mean, that's actually a cult favorite.
They've done that in every single aspect of life.
There's always a middle man, you know, for everything.
Like even the basic stuff like, hmm, we live on a planet
and that provides everything we need,
but somebody inserted themselves to own land, water, food,
and then sell it to us, right?
So I mean, this goes to every single layer
and level of society, what you're saying.
So yeah, I agree.
And like universities is actually a funny one too,
because it's like, they don't actually own that knowledge.
Like it's like knowledge of humanity,
but they're like, we will give you a piece of paper
saying you've learned this and like grant you that you have.
But it's like, anybody can go and read that information.
Like it's so, it's like not even their information.
It's not patented.
They're not the whole, it's not like only they have the books.
It's like, it's just this ridiculous, you know,
and having to pay them to read it yourself.
And then like just accrediting, you know,
it's just such a false setup.
That's another example.
But yeah, our whole society runs that way.
And another thing about cults is like,
it's based on obedience, right?
So there's reward and punishment based on obedience
so that you actually stop discerning yourself
because your value comes from being obedient.
And we're all trained that way since kids,
like you're, you're good if you sit in class
and ask permission or you're a good girl or boy
if you listen to your mom and dad
instead of deciding if you should use something
yourself, right?
So it's creating this dependence
and then rewarding you for being obedient.
And we see this online too, where like people say stuff
and you know, now like a lot of people,
and I do believe like people have psychic abilities
and stuff, but I mean, that's just another realm
where it's like, you know, yeah, it's possible.
It's true, it's also possible it's not,
but like if that doesn't mean throw it away,
but it also doesn't mean everything somebody says,
oh, well, I had a psychic vision that that was true.
So it is like, it's like, well, no,
you might have had a vision that might be true.
I'm not saying it's not, but like it's not just,
just because you had it, absolutely means it's true.
And you'll see this with these type of people,
whether like I had a vision or I had a message
and it's like, that's kind of something
you could never check or balance or prove.
And so that gives them this kind of blanket thing
to say where they can't really be negated.
And then if you ever try to not be obedient,
that's when you'll see the rage
and they have to destroy or punish you
for not just being obedient to what they're claiming
that can never be proved.
Right, you know, and that's a good point
because, okay, number one,
yes, we've been devolved and suppressed
and poisoned and everything, we're all psychic really.
Okay, we all read energy.
We just don't often know it
or we need to clean up a lot of traumas
before we can access that natural God given ability.
So anyone who's psychic just has that ability
more refined or online, but we all really have it.
Secondly, I've known, I know particularly a woman
who claimed to be psychic
and that was kind of her whole identity,
but she was so messed up.
She had not done her trauma work.
So I think, and it's the same with channelers,
like you have to be very careful
because people, it's receiving information
that then gets filtered through
and translated out of somebody's psyche.
And if that psyche is traumatized and not healed,
that information is going to come through distorted, right?
Yeah, and a lot of that can actually come from trauma.
Yeah, and then there's, in that realm,
there's false light entities.
So some people who think that
they've been channeling an angel,
you don't know who that being is.
I mean, that's the whole,
the dark has their false light, their dark.
So there's so many layers of deception
and manipulation that I think discernment,
what we started out talking about
is super, super significant.
Like you really have to know
that there's a lot of crap out there
and just be very discerning about what,
definitely don't turn yourself over
to someone else who says they know everything
and this is the way and this is the one and only way.
I also don't think there's a one and only way, right?
Think we all, there's different ways to get to things as well.
But yeah, I find it very,
I'm very skeptical about channeling and things like that
because it's still going to filter through the person.
Yeah, and it's, again, I think the vulnerability
really comes from this little child part of us
that they connect to, that we want to believe them,
like we want to believe Santa's real.
And so like it's just really easy to believe that
because it's a nice idea and we want to believe it
and we get to be like little kids who just get to believe.
And that's really what a lot of these groups connect with,
that part of you that is very childlike and innocent
and just isn't actually going to go verify.
It's like you just kind of want to believe the fantasy, right?
And like you see this even in abusive relationships,
people want to believe that's a prince, you know what I mean?
And that's why they just stop looking at the stuff
that doesn't match up with the prince fantasy.
And we're all really vulnerable to that as humans.
And we get that used against us all the time
with advertising political campaigns, like celebrities.
It's like they really are trying to capture your imagination
of a little child that just really wants to believe.
And it's so easy to do, right?
Because those parts of your mind are different.
The child, inner child part and the logic adult part of your brain.
And so especially sometimes like, you know,
people think that cults are for, you know, dumb-dumbs,
but actually most cults actually recruit
highly intelligent idealistic people
that are intelligent and moral.
In the beginning, that's actually what attracts them
to this idealistic because most cults start out
with some type of like higher order, better ideas,
better society, more virtuous, more spiritual,
like whatever, right?
And so people are drawn to that.
And then it always starts inverting
and pulling people down to the opposite,
which is like dating a narcissist, right?
It always starts out with the love bombing
and the great charismatic stuff until you bond.
And then it starts twisting the other way.
And that's really what happens
in these online followings and these cults.
Yeah. You know, for some reason,
when you were saying that,
it made me think of the left, the progressives.
They, people were, I went that path when I was younger too
because it seemed like, oh, these are a good group of people.
They love the planet.
They love other people.
Like it preys upon that idealism and that desire to do good.
And you said it so well.
It made me think of the left,
which then has devolved today
to be basically Satanism-like, you know?
Like they really, it's not that there's the divide is false.
There's all roads to run because the two, don't get me wrong.
The left, the right, their wings off, sing bird.
But do you know what I mean with the left kind of thing?
Yeah, it's the heart and the mind, right?
So like the right-wing person
is like more logical, rational, mind-based
and makes him cold and heartless to the liberal heart place.
So I said like they're hearts in the right place,
but their brain's not.
And so on the other side,
they're accessing the brain, but not the heart.
So it's like, you can see how it is both sides
and they're just playing it, right?
But yeah, it is either accessing the logic line
or it's accessing the heart.
And that is kind of the two parties, right?
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's, that's the,
basically describe the left brain and the right brain.
And it's really dangerous because,
and this is what I'm saying like,
people's, people are really driven by emotion.
And so when they access your heart,
like through showing you traumatic images
or things on the news is accessing your,
like bypassing your critical mind,
like even the way they show the news,
like bamming it at you really quickly
and then having the runners underneath saying stuff
in words in your logic part of your brain,
like it's actually just kind of going like this
and then accessing into your emotions.
And like that's actually, you know,
how they get these like things to be radicalized
or people to go and do really,
it's always based on emotion, right?
Like, or like going to a concert, right?
And it turns into a mosh pit.
It's like that when the logic line kicks out
and they can harness people's emotion,
which is like that's also what narcissists do.
Like people are like, oh, I'm so smart,
how could I get sucked into this?
Like I didn't think I'd be that stupid.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
because they're bypassing your critical mind.
They're accessing your emotion.
They're accessing your inner child.
They're actually accessing your wounds of the inner child
and attaching that part of your wounded child
that wants to believe that there's like a good leader
and a parental figure and a guru and the, so,
So that's like, I actually have had conversations with people that are abusers and they've told
me straight to my face, it's all about accessing the emotion.
And every guy that's like a player online or something, or whether somebody's a sex,
like a pedophile grooming, they all know this.
You don't go and convince somebody logically.
You access the emotion, you love bomb them, you make them feel inclusive, but you
access their inner when a child and then you can pretty much do whatever you want to
them because they're not in their critical mind anymore.
And abusers know this and cult leaders know this.
Politicians know this.
Governments know this.
It's something we all need to know.
Yeah, that's a brilliant point, Jamie.
I mean, you're always brilliant, but that's really I want to highlight that
like a hundred times.
And you know what you were saying a minute ago about like how people want this.
It's a little bit of the savior thing, right?
They just want to be saved.
They want to be part of a good club.
They don't it's easier that way to follow someone, right?
To give it all over then to be your own, you know, to use your own mind and all of that.
But that emotional thing that you described, I mean, that's basically one
of the main factors in mind control, you know, everyone's mind control on this planet.
Advertising does it, you know, everything.
So a brilliant point, absolutely.
Well, and actually being smart can make you more vulnerable because your defenses
aren't up like if you're if you're the type of person that's like, oh, I know,
I always attract abusers after really careful of somebody loves bombing
because I fall for it every night.
Like if you know that, but but people who are like educated
and think they're really intellectual and smart, they actually don't think
that that stuff's going to affect them.
So then they actually don't have their guard up.
And that's actually how they can recruit in highly intelligent people
to emotionally driven bonds in organizations.
It actually I can't tell you how many people I know that have gotten sucked
into stuff like even money fraud stuff online and stuff.
Right.
But like and the way they do it, I actually just had a friend who she got
scammed and they had paid her out like a payout of $500
and got her all like happy about this Bitcoin thing.
Like and they did.
They literally did give her the $500.
So then that put her guard down and then she went in and put in more money.
And that was the whole scam.
Like they know if they give if they give you something, it's like,
that's the love bomb, right?
Because then your defenses are down and that's a money example.
But like this is what these cults do, too.
Like they give you something and then you think, oh, well,
they're not taking advantage of me.
They just gave me $500.
And then you're and then you want to reciprocate and give back to them.
You know, so it's like just yeah, it's just something to really be aware
of catching yourself doing when you want something to be true.
You know, and what you said earlier kind of goes in there, too.
Like the whole point of university is mind control.
I mean, it's all cult run and cult owned and the more prestigious
and I believe the university, the more cult like activity
and mind control goes on.
And so you're right.
That's I mean, there's things that are so simple,
but we're so used to them.
We don't question them.
And it's what you said earlier, like, OK, so you pay hundreds of thousands
of dollars to go to a place to sit there and be taught bullshit,
distorted stuff, you know, to be mind controlled.
You're not even taught now.
You just get a list of the books and the and, you know,
the professors are online that they select.
Even like you're going to be right.
The books that they select, the narrative that they want you to learn.
And then you get that rewarded for that by, you know, this degree.
That's why I don't put any of my degrees behind my name.
I I'd realize that that's bullshit.
So then you have a bunch of educated people
who are who are completely mind controlled
and spouting stuff that isn't true.
But because they paid that money and put in put in those years
and got those degrees, you know, they they believe
that they know better.
I mean, even just a vague description of that would be like a doctor.
I mean, they go in meaning well, you know, they want to be a healer
and help people by the time they graduate medical school.
I mean, oh, geez, you know, it's not good.
So, you know, just because someone is charismatic
or tells you they're above other people or tells you their psychic
and angels told them this is the absolute truth,
or they have 20 degrees from Harvard.
Just use your certain people.
I just run now, because honestly, I just don't the more perfect
somebody seems the less the more of a red flag it is to me.
Like, I need to see some faults in a person or something genuine
or I need to see your hair messy, at least like where I'm like,
OK, you're a real person.
That's not trying to have this, like, as soon as I see this veneer,
I'm like, just run, you know what I mean?
Because it's hiding something like, you know what I mean?
Yes, I do.
Well, that's the moral of this dose of episode people.
Take it. Take it in.
Let's use our discernment.
You know, trust.
You got to trust yourself, because if you can trust yourself,
you don't need to worry about trusting anyone else
because you'll be able, you'll know, right?
So we'll leave it at that for today, Jamie.
And I'll we'll pick this up for another topic
I don't know what we're going to talk about next,
but we'll talk about something else on the next dose of truth.
So I'll see you then.
Thanks, Max.