WEBVTT 00:11.060 --> 00:14.940 Jamie, Jay, we're back with a dose of truth. 00:15.660 --> 00:21.100 We haven't gotten together for a while, but I get a lot of feedback. 00:21.500 --> 00:27.850 People love our shows and the different topics we talk about, because it's just real, it's 00:27.850 --> 00:28.310 around earth. 00:30.690 --> 00:32.450 Let's go to it today. 00:32.850 --> 00:33.470 Welcome back. 00:35.150 --> 00:42.790 Today we wanted to talk about people that it's kind of a segue from narcissism, which we 00:42.790 --> 00:49.130 were talking about last time, but it's people who present themselves as spiritual gurus 00:49.130 --> 00:55.210 or leaders or whatever and what to watch out for in people like that. 00:55.210 --> 00:57.810 So it's good to be here with you. 00:59.130 --> 01:00.150 Yeah, thanks Max. 01:00.350 --> 01:01.970 I feel like we haven't talked forever either. 01:02.310 --> 01:06.690 So yeah, this is a good topic today, because I think it's with the online community. 01:07.030 --> 01:09.790 There's just so it's so much easier for people to do this. 01:09.930 --> 01:14.630 And you also never really see people in real life, so it's a lot easier for people 01:14.630 --> 01:21.190 to put up this kind of guru image and never really be exposed for who they really are. 01:21.190 --> 01:25.990 Just an added level of the online predator thing that's up since the internet, 01:26.010 --> 01:30.630 like whether it's online dating or, you know, now there's like even all these Bitcoin, 01:30.790 --> 01:31.950 there's just so many predators online. 01:32.110 --> 01:36.410 It's really, really opened up a avenue for people to be more anonymous 01:36.410 --> 01:37.590 than if they lived in a city. 01:38.050 --> 01:42.250 And so we just need to have like extra discernment now because of the opportunity 01:42.250 --> 01:47.250 that people have, it's really going to be up to you to have more discernment at this time. 01:47.990 --> 01:52.530 Yeah, and you know, discernment, a lot of it, like I've noticed for me, 01:53.530 --> 01:56.150 it's, you call it intuition, discernment. 01:56.330 --> 01:59.850 It's also the body, like the body registers things, right? 02:00.410 --> 02:04.950 You know that experiment where they showed people like scary, horrible images 02:04.950 --> 02:08.130 or images of puppies and kittens, and they wired them up 02:08.130 --> 02:11.850 and they would record the reaction a few nanoseconds before the image 02:11.850 --> 02:13.330 even came into the eyes. 02:13.570 --> 02:13.750 Yeah. 02:13.750 --> 02:18.830 So it's even beyond our consciousness, like we know that's what intuition is, right? 02:19.190 --> 02:23.530 They call it proprioception or neuroception, sorry, they call it neuroception. 02:23.850 --> 02:28.390 So anyway, it might be a little harder when you see someone online, 02:28.390 --> 02:30.750 but I think we can still read people. 02:31.530 --> 02:37.010 And so let's launch it with, I had an experience recently with someone 02:37.590 --> 02:44.670 who presented herself as this very evolved, very like top, and that should have been, 02:44.830 --> 02:48.750 it was a red flag for me, but she talked a good talk, right? 02:49.350 --> 02:51.890 So that's, I guess, one red flag. 02:52.050 --> 02:57.170 Someone who thinks that they are superior to most people that, you know, they, 02:57.650 --> 03:03.370 and this person, it rubbed me a little weird because this person would say that she 03:03.990 --> 03:09.350 knew the absolute truth, that she had guides and people that communicated with her, 03:09.370 --> 03:11.590 and that she was, she knew. 03:11.910 --> 03:14.610 And so she, her mission was to teach other people. 03:15.670 --> 03:18.110 And I kind of fell for it. 03:18.350 --> 03:21.410 Sometimes I fall for people that have some narcissism. 03:21.530 --> 03:23.410 I don't know if it's because I had a narcissistic mother, 03:23.790 --> 03:25.390 some more vulnerable to it. 03:26.810 --> 03:31.250 But as it's always a matter of time in my opinion because, 03:32.030 --> 03:37.890 so, you know, this person had a lot of good things that she said and she taught, 03:38.290 --> 03:46.410 but the minute that I suggested a new and different perspective, this woman went nuts. 03:47.090 --> 03:57.030 And she had to attack me and just, and, and, but in a way as if it wasn't just a 03:57.030 --> 04:02.970 little bit, it was like she had to take down everything that I do and who I am. 04:03.190 --> 04:09.870 Like she really had to assert her dominance in a kind of unbelievable way. 04:10.210 --> 04:13.350 It didn't really trigger me because it was so out there. 04:13.630 --> 04:16.250 I was just kind of, I felt like I was watching a bad movie. 04:16.390 --> 04:18.190 I'm like, oh my God, is this really happening? 04:18.830 --> 04:26.910 But I know this woman has people that she trains and teaches and the thing I noticed 04:26.910 --> 04:31.470 that was another red flag is a weird cult-like atmosphere. 04:31.850 --> 04:37.210 So the people put her on a pedestal, they worshipped her and they actually used her 04:37.790 --> 04:40.050 phrases and sentences. 04:40.310 --> 04:44.910 Like they would verbatim repeat things in the way that she has a particular way that she 04:45.470 --> 04:49.870 talks and they would repeat it almost exactly. 04:51.110 --> 04:58.770 And they, so I thought, okay, that's a red flag, but I ignored those red flags because 04:58.770 --> 05:04.110 she was so confident and because a lot of what she said, I agree with and I would 05:04.110 --> 05:11.190 be teaching people too, but the problem really came when I, you know, in just a 05:11.190 --> 05:16.110 neutral way suggested a different perspective to one she had because frankly, 05:16.870 --> 05:21.410 just knowing what I know, I could see she was a little bit mind controlled in her 05:21.410 --> 05:23.770 perspective and that did it. 05:24.190 --> 05:26.550 That ended the whole relationship. 05:26.670 --> 05:32.890 There was no tolerance because I said something that was different than what she said. 05:34.650 --> 05:41.190 Yeah, that's something I've really noticed too is like abusers aren't jerks all the time. 05:41.370 --> 05:46.310 They're usually charming, nice, like they're, you know, they have all these good qualities. 05:46.450 --> 05:52.370 The only time you normally see somebody's nature is when they're not getting what they want. 05:52.610 --> 05:55.410 Like that's always when they start showing who they really are. 05:55.810 --> 05:59.510 So if you're giving somebody what they want all the time and then you're like, 05:59.510 --> 06:00.710 Oh, this person's a great person. 06:00.950 --> 06:03.150 It's like that you're just believing what you want to be true. 06:03.570 --> 06:09.490 And this is something I've been kind of thinking about lately too, because I recently just 06:10.190 --> 06:14.610 watched the funeral of somebody who had passed away that that was an abuser. 06:15.230 --> 06:19.950 And this person had like a fan club and I was just and I mean, everybody does that at funerals. 06:20.010 --> 06:21.190 They all say good stuff about people. 06:21.370 --> 06:23.390 I mean, it's just kind of what we do in our culture, right? 06:24.010 --> 06:27.970 But this particular person was very similar to the person you're describing and just 06:28.530 --> 06:33.930 had this really kind of cult following because of the, because of his charismatic personality, right? 06:34.310 --> 06:40.330 But he had a really poor character and just kind of watching people put somebody on a pedestal 06:40.330 --> 06:43.310 and basically believe what they want to believe about this person. 06:43.450 --> 06:46.290 And I'm like the only way you would have really ever seen this person's true character 06:46.290 --> 06:49.790 is if you actually went against them or didn't give them what they wanted, 06:49.790 --> 06:52.190 then you would have seen the exact opposite side of that point, 06:52.710 --> 06:56.690 which most people don't ever see because when you're involved with these type of people, 06:56.690 --> 07:00.790 you're always just interacting with the surface or the online person or the person on stage. 07:01.110 --> 07:06.730 And they're always doing an image management to seem like this particular type of person. 07:07.930 --> 07:11.910 And it's dangerous because and this is something I've been really thinking about lately 07:11.910 --> 07:14.210 is how much we believe what we want to be true. 07:14.770 --> 07:15.050 You know what I mean? 07:15.210 --> 07:18.450 Like we literally project on to people what we want to be there. 07:18.670 --> 07:23.610 And then where our mind chooses to believe it because we want it to be true. 07:23.670 --> 07:25.950 And that's actually one of the most dangerous things ever. 07:25.950 --> 07:28.750 But we're all wired to be that way. 07:28.970 --> 07:33.970 And so people that have caught on to that can actually exploit it to set themselves up 07:33.970 --> 07:35.970 as this thing that you want them to be. 07:36.630 --> 07:40.670 And so again, it's like we can't really control manipulators, 07:40.870 --> 07:42.810 but we can control the way that we interact with them. 07:42.850 --> 07:45.470 And that is our control is controlling ourselves in relation to them. 07:45.590 --> 07:49.270 And so it's like there's always going to be more people like that out there. 07:49.290 --> 07:53.350 But it's like knowing the things to look for is kind of your best defense. 07:53.950 --> 07:54.430 Yeah. 07:54.770 --> 07:55.250 Yeah. 07:55.350 --> 08:00.090 I had to set a boundary with this person and that was not well received, you know. 08:00.170 --> 08:00.330 Yeah. 08:00.570 --> 08:02.210 But it was interesting one way to test. 08:02.350 --> 08:02.450 Yeah. 08:02.510 --> 08:02.650 Yeah. 08:02.650 --> 08:05.450 They don't like exactly they should have a special boundary. 08:05.910 --> 08:06.370 Yes. 08:06.910 --> 08:10.410 I think this person thought that she was above people, 08:10.490 --> 08:12.750 that she was here to teach them the right way. 08:13.210 --> 08:16.830 And talked about things that I agree with like what you know what it means 08:16.830 --> 08:21.730 when you're triggered and to be to take responsibility like you know for yourself. 08:22.400 --> 08:28.130 Which I think is a really true thing because that's the only thing we can control. 08:28.430 --> 08:33.270 And if we keep always taking responsibility for our side of things, 08:33.530 --> 08:35.550 that makes life much better. 08:36.190 --> 08:40.210 But in this situation when I set a boundary and said something, 08:40.450 --> 08:44.210 instead of taking responsibility like she preaches, she attacked. 08:45.630 --> 08:45.790 Right. 08:46.270 --> 08:46.450 Yeah. 08:46.570 --> 08:48.290 That's really common, really, really common. 08:48.290 --> 08:51.730 And it's always like actually a blessing in disguise when you see that right away. 08:52.150 --> 08:55.910 So it's actually a good way to test people is to try and set a boundary to see 08:56.390 --> 08:58.630 how they react to not getting what they want. 08:59.410 --> 09:03.830 Another thing we talked about earlier was like how these people kind of repackaged things, 09:03.950 --> 09:04.030 right? 09:04.150 --> 09:06.530 So how you were saying there's these good things that drew to the person. 09:06.730 --> 09:09.910 Well, nobody's going to go around to be a jerk and get a cult following, right? 09:10.090 --> 09:12.410 Like, I mean, that's not how it works. 09:12.590 --> 09:17.210 It's like they have to have this good stuff and then you don't look at the stuff 09:18.450 --> 09:22.130 behind the mask because you're looking at the stuff that's put forward to the front of the stage 09:22.130 --> 09:23.830 and they're always doing that. 09:24.310 --> 09:28.970 And so that's how they get people to like see them a certain way to start following them. 09:29.110 --> 09:32.590 And then I think we talked about on another show like Betrayal Blindness 09:32.590 --> 09:36.290 where the more somebody believes they need a relationship or the more like they've 09:36.290 --> 09:38.710 attached because of how much they've invested into a person, 09:38.850 --> 09:40.990 the more they will start blocking contradictory information 09:40.990 --> 09:43.810 because it's too painful to reverse and cut your laws. 09:44.190 --> 09:47.870 So your mind will actually start believing more what you want to see 09:47.870 --> 09:51.830 once that initial bonding has been there, which is based on the good stuff. 09:52.070 --> 09:55.070 And a lot of it, we were saying earlier, it's just repackaged. 09:55.270 --> 09:58.950 Like there's so many people right now that are just taking the same thing, 09:59.930 --> 10:02.630 repackaging it, putting it out in their own workshop, in their own book. 10:02.890 --> 10:04.910 Like it's like the, it's nothing new. 10:05.210 --> 10:08.370 It's a tried and true, you know, spiritual mantras, 10:08.770 --> 10:11.370 like love yourself, take responsibility over yourself. 10:11.490 --> 10:13.710 Like, yeah, of course, you know what I mean? 10:13.710 --> 10:17.210 But these people kind of like package it as like this, 10:17.230 --> 10:20.490 they're selling you something that's already out there for free. 10:20.650 --> 10:21.150 You know what I mean? 10:21.410 --> 10:24.730 So people like yourself who've gone through satanic, 10:24.730 --> 10:28.910 ritual things, when you guys escape it, 10:29.090 --> 10:32.350 wouldn't they naturally want to, I guess chase you and, 10:32.430 --> 10:35.570 hey, we got to catch them so they don't spread the word? 10:35.950 --> 10:38.510 Do you have to worry what would happen? 10:38.650 --> 10:39.870 Or do you have to hide? 10:40.150 --> 10:42.510 Or do you have, yeah, for freedom? 10:42.510 --> 10:46.490 You know, they train us in certain abilities. 10:47.010 --> 10:48.730 We become like a weapon. 10:49.190 --> 10:55.630 And then when we refuse to be serving them, we're still a weapon. 10:56.190 --> 10:59.490 We can push back when we step into our power. 11:00.090 --> 11:02.570 The average human being himself or herself 11:03.060 --> 11:05.870 is way more powerful than these entities 11:05.870 --> 11:10.690 because we are connected to the life force, to God, to the organic. 11:10.690 --> 11:11.830 And they're not. 11:12.310 --> 11:14.130 So we're the sun, they're the moon. 11:14.290 --> 11:16.330 They can only use our reflected light. 11:16.690 --> 11:18.130 And then we know them. 11:18.670 --> 11:22.430 We know what their game is, what their playbook is, 11:22.590 --> 11:23.510 what they're trying to do. 11:23.670 --> 11:26.510 I was trained with a photographic, audiographic memory. 11:26.770 --> 11:30.670 So whenever world events happen, it comes back to me. 11:30.770 --> 11:32.010 And I'm like, oh, shit, right, 11:32.070 --> 11:34.010 they said they were going to do this here, you know. 11:34.410 --> 11:37.670 So now we're at a point where we're a little bit 11:38.310 --> 11:38.830 dangerous. 11:39.350 --> 11:41.450 And this is all of us. 11:41.610 --> 11:42.910 You know, I'm just talking about myself, 11:42.910 --> 11:44.910 but that's the big secret 11:45.450 --> 11:48.330 is that they're actually fucking scared of us. 11:51.150 --> 11:51.670 Yeah. 11:52.250 --> 11:55.570 And, you know, so we're always learning. 11:55.770 --> 11:56.390 We're always growing. 11:56.650 --> 11:58.610 So what do you think about? 11:58.750 --> 12:04.190 Because I think there are, it's kind of two things, right? 12:04.290 --> 12:06.610 There are some people, some of us, 12:06.610 --> 12:10.990 who are, let's say, more advanced in our level of consciousness, 12:11.430 --> 12:11.630 right? 12:12.250 --> 12:15.090 Just like there's some people that have, like you, 12:15.150 --> 12:16.570 who have read 10,000 books, 12:16.710 --> 12:20.450 who have some more knowledge in your brain or whatever. 12:20.850 --> 12:24.710 But I think a red flag is someone who literally says 12:24.710 --> 12:28.530 they, like this person said, she knew the absolute truth 12:30.070 --> 12:32.770 and presents herself as above. 12:33.050 --> 12:35.630 So I think that could be something to look out for 12:35.630 --> 12:37.070 when you're following someone. 12:37.210 --> 12:40.770 Because I think the more healed you are, 12:40.850 --> 12:43.490 the more evolved you are, I have found, 12:43.710 --> 12:45.750 the more I realize, I don't know, shit. 12:46.570 --> 12:48.490 And the more you realize that everything 12:48.490 --> 12:51.810 and everyone around you is always teaching you something. 12:51.950 --> 12:53.470 So there's a certain humility 12:54.190 --> 12:58.230 that comes with someone who's truly at a higher level 12:58.230 --> 12:59.970 of health and consciousness, right? 13:02.430 --> 13:06.850 Yeah, that's another really big red flag for just cults in general. 13:07.290 --> 13:09.550 And we live in a giant cult, right? 13:09.650 --> 13:11.490 So they're using all these techniques on us 13:11.490 --> 13:14.290 through like government, scientists, experts, news like, 13:14.490 --> 13:16.030 it's the same as cult leaders. 13:16.210 --> 13:18.770 It's the same as a news broadcaster getting on the news 13:18.770 --> 13:20.850 every day saying, this is reality, this is truth, 13:20.990 --> 13:22.570 this is what you need to be looking at. 13:22.770 --> 13:24.150 And we're going to tell it to you, right? 13:24.650 --> 13:29.490 And so, yeah, and that can be an interpersonal relationship 13:29.490 --> 13:31.130 just like dating somebody. 13:31.350 --> 13:33.970 It can be like, oh, well, I'm the authority on things 13:33.970 --> 13:34.810 and I'll teach you, right? 13:34.930 --> 13:37.150 It's really this setting yourself up as a middle man, 13:37.170 --> 13:39.490 which is essentially what a lot of churches have done too, right? 13:39.650 --> 13:42.450 Like they're the vicar, you know, they're the representative. 13:42.990 --> 13:45.910 You go through them, it's like always setting themselves up 13:45.910 --> 13:48.310 on something you could access yourself without them, 13:48.470 --> 13:51.630 but acting like they are required to be there 13:51.630 --> 13:56.110 as a required service, which we see that all over our society. 13:56.550 --> 13:59.110 Like people setting themselves up as gatekeepers 13:59.110 --> 14:01.170 and then acting like you have to go through them 14:01.170 --> 14:04.850 to get what is actually already available to everybody. 14:04.970 --> 14:07.910 It's like a false role they've made for themselves 14:07.910 --> 14:09.310 to be required when they're not. 14:10.210 --> 14:12.990 Yeah, I mean, that's actually a cult favorite. 14:13.370 --> 14:16.690 They've done that in every single aspect of life. 14:16.850 --> 14:19.910 There's always a middle man, you know, for everything. 14:20.310 --> 14:24.890 Like even the basic stuff like, hmm, we live on a planet 14:25.450 --> 14:28.650 and that provides everything we need, 14:28.750 --> 14:32.070 but somebody inserted themselves to own land, water, food, 14:32.370 --> 14:34.970 and then sell it to us, right? 14:35.330 --> 14:38.710 So I mean, this goes to every single layer 14:38.710 --> 14:41.510 and level of society, what you're saying. 14:41.930 --> 14:43.530 So yeah, I agree. 14:43.650 --> 14:46.350 And like universities is actually a funny one too, 14:46.390 --> 14:49.350 because it's like, they don't actually own that knowledge. 14:49.550 --> 14:51.670 Like it's like knowledge of humanity, 14:51.670 --> 14:54.950 but they're like, we will give you a piece of paper 14:54.950 --> 14:57.610 saying you've learned this and like grant you that you have. 14:57.750 --> 15:01.170 But it's like, anybody can go and read that information. 15:01.450 --> 15:03.790 Like it's so, it's like not even their information. 15:04.150 --> 15:05.350 It's not patented. 15:05.610 --> 15:07.790 They're not the whole, it's not like only they have the books. 15:07.970 --> 15:10.530 It's like, it's just this ridiculous, you know, 15:10.650 --> 15:13.790 and having to pay them to read it yourself. 15:14.150 --> 15:16.590 And then like just accrediting, you know, 15:16.650 --> 15:18.250 it's just such a false setup. 15:19.550 --> 15:20.570 That's another example. 15:20.570 --> 15:22.670 But yeah, our whole society runs that way. 15:22.890 --> 15:24.590 And another thing about cults is like, 15:24.970 --> 15:27.670 it's based on obedience, right? 15:27.810 --> 15:30.030 So there's reward and punishment based on obedience 15:30.030 --> 15:32.870 so that you actually stop discerning yourself 15:32.870 --> 15:34.930 because your value comes from being obedient. 15:35.210 --> 15:36.870 And we're all trained that way since kids, 15:37.010 --> 15:38.850 like you're, you're good if you sit in class 15:38.850 --> 15:40.730 and ask permission or you're a good girl or boy 15:40.730 --> 15:41.830 if you listen to your mom and dad 15:41.830 --> 15:43.630 instead of deciding if you should use something 15:43.630 --> 15:44.850 yourself, right? 15:44.970 --> 15:46.550 So it's creating this dependence 15:46.550 --> 15:48.710 and then rewarding you for being obedient. 15:48.710 --> 15:52.730 And we see this online too, where like people say stuff 15:52.730 --> 15:54.430 and you know, now like a lot of people, 15:54.730 --> 15:57.390 and I do believe like people have psychic abilities 15:57.390 --> 15:59.350 and stuff, but I mean, that's just another realm 15:59.350 --> 16:02.450 where it's like, you know, yeah, it's possible. 16:02.630 --> 16:03.810 It's true, it's also possible it's not, 16:03.950 --> 16:05.390 but like if that doesn't mean throw it away, 16:05.410 --> 16:07.510 but it also doesn't mean everything somebody says, 16:07.650 --> 16:09.890 oh, well, I had a psychic vision that that was true. 16:09.950 --> 16:11.390 So it is like, it's like, well, no, 16:11.410 --> 16:13.290 you might have had a vision that might be true. 16:13.730 --> 16:15.810 I'm not saying it's not, but like it's not just, 16:16.310 --> 16:18.610 just because you had it, absolutely means it's true. 16:18.610 --> 16:20.530 And you'll see this with these type of people, 16:20.610 --> 16:23.850 whether like I had a vision or I had a message 16:23.850 --> 16:25.370 and it's like, that's kind of something 16:25.370 --> 16:27.350 you could never check or balance or prove. 16:27.490 --> 16:29.170 And so that gives them this kind of blanket thing 16:29.170 --> 16:31.870 to say where they can't really be negated. 16:32.490 --> 16:35.050 And then if you ever try to not be obedient, 16:35.210 --> 16:37.610 that's when you'll see the rage 16:37.610 --> 16:40.210 and they have to destroy or punish you 16:40.210 --> 16:43.290 for not just being obedient to what they're claiming 16:43.290 --> 16:44.210 that can never be proved. 16:44.970 --> 16:47.150 Right, you know, and that's a good point 16:47.150 --> 16:49.030 because, okay, number one, 16:50.190 --> 16:52.230 yes, we've been devolved and suppressed 16:52.230 --> 16:55.470 and poisoned and everything, we're all psychic really. 16:56.050 --> 16:57.350 Okay, we all read energy. 16:57.750 --> 17:00.390 We just don't often know it 17:00.390 --> 17:03.050 or we need to clean up a lot of traumas 17:03.050 --> 17:05.830 before we can access that natural God given ability. 17:06.450 --> 17:09.330 So anyone who's psychic just has that ability 17:09.330 --> 17:14.070 more refined or online, but we all really have it. 17:14.070 --> 17:18.730 Secondly, I've known, I know particularly a woman 17:18.730 --> 17:20.370 who claimed to be psychic 17:20.370 --> 17:23.050 and that was kind of her whole identity, 17:24.190 --> 17:26.230 but she was so messed up. 17:26.390 --> 17:28.850 She had not done her trauma work. 17:29.130 --> 17:32.010 So I think, and it's the same with channelers, 17:32.110 --> 17:33.570 like you have to be very careful 17:33.570 --> 17:37.170 because people, it's receiving information 17:37.170 --> 17:39.210 that then gets filtered through 17:39.210 --> 17:41.830 and translated out of somebody's psyche. 17:41.830 --> 17:45.210 And if that psyche is traumatized and not healed, 17:45.990 --> 17:49.710 that information is going to come through distorted, right? 17:51.430 --> 17:54.890 Yeah, and a lot of that can actually come from trauma. 17:56.090 --> 18:00.190 Yeah, and then there's, in that realm, 18:00.430 --> 18:02.150 there's false light entities. 18:02.510 --> 18:03.690 So some people who think that 18:03.690 --> 18:05.610 they've been channeling an angel, 18:06.250 --> 18:08.390 you don't know who that being is. 18:08.530 --> 18:09.470 I mean, that's the whole, 18:09.890 --> 18:12.670 the dark has their false light, their dark. 18:12.950 --> 18:16.590 So there's so many layers of deception 18:16.590 --> 18:20.290 and manipulation that I think discernment, 18:20.430 --> 18:21.750 what we started out talking about 18:21.750 --> 18:23.670 is super, super significant. 18:23.950 --> 18:26.670 Like you really have to know 18:26.670 --> 18:29.090 that there's a lot of crap out there 18:29.090 --> 18:33.190 and just be very discerning about what, 18:33.510 --> 18:35.610 definitely don't turn yourself over 18:35.610 --> 18:37.970 to someone else who says they know everything 18:37.970 --> 18:40.870 and this is the way and this is the one and only way. 18:41.250 --> 18:44.090 I also don't think there's a one and only way, right? 18:44.730 --> 18:49.630 Think we all, there's different ways to get to things as well. 18:49.890 --> 18:51.910 But yeah, I find it very, 18:52.810 --> 18:57.150 I'm very skeptical about channeling and things like that 18:57.150 --> 18:59.830 because it's still going to filter through the person. 19:01.550 --> 19:03.970 Yeah, and it's, again, I think the vulnerability 19:03.970 --> 19:06.950 really comes from this little child part of us 19:06.950 --> 19:09.850 that they connect to, that we want to believe them, 19:09.950 --> 19:11.470 like we want to believe Santa's real. 19:11.830 --> 19:14.290 And so like it's just really easy to believe that 19:14.290 --> 19:16.770 because it's a nice idea and we want to believe it 19:16.770 --> 19:19.090 and we get to be like little kids who just get to believe. 19:19.530 --> 19:23.690 And that's really what a lot of these groups connect with, 19:23.850 --> 19:26.150 that part of you that is very childlike and innocent 19:26.150 --> 19:28.690 and just isn't actually going to go verify. 19:29.070 --> 19:31.090 It's like you just kind of want to believe the fantasy, right? 19:31.270 --> 19:34.890 And like you see this even in abusive relationships, 19:34.890 --> 19:37.630 people want to believe that's a prince, you know what I mean? 19:37.730 --> 19:39.790 And that's why they just stop looking at the stuff 19:39.790 --> 19:41.870 that doesn't match up with the prince fantasy. 19:42.270 --> 19:45.890 And we're all really vulnerable to that as humans. 19:46.210 --> 19:48.110 And we get that used against us all the time 19:48.110 --> 19:52.630 with advertising political campaigns, like celebrities. 19:53.030 --> 19:55.870 It's like they really are trying to capture your imagination 19:55.870 --> 19:57.930 of a little child that just really wants to believe. 19:58.190 --> 20:00.790 And it's so easy to do, right? 20:00.930 --> 20:03.170 Because those parts of your mind are different. 20:03.170 --> 20:06.590 The child, inner child part and the logic adult part of your brain. 20:06.730 --> 20:09.570 And so especially sometimes like, you know, 20:09.590 --> 20:13.090 people think that cults are for, you know, dumb-dumbs, 20:13.290 --> 20:15.690 but actually most cults actually recruit 20:15.690 --> 20:18.210 highly intelligent idealistic people 20:18.210 --> 20:20.730 that are intelligent and moral. 20:21.210 --> 20:23.450 In the beginning, that's actually what attracts them 20:23.450 --> 20:26.170 to this idealistic because most cults start out 20:26.170 --> 20:29.450 with some type of like higher order, better ideas, 20:29.510 --> 20:31.410 better society, more virtuous, more spiritual, 20:31.670 --> 20:32.330 like whatever, right? 20:32.330 --> 20:34.150 And so people are drawn to that. 20:34.330 --> 20:36.570 And then it always starts inverting 20:36.570 --> 20:38.210 and pulling people down to the opposite, 20:38.330 --> 20:39.870 which is like dating a narcissist, right? 20:39.910 --> 20:41.810 It always starts out with the love bombing 20:41.810 --> 20:44.390 and the great charismatic stuff until you bond. 20:44.650 --> 20:46.350 And then it starts twisting the other way. 20:46.890 --> 20:48.350 And that's really what happens 20:48.350 --> 20:51.550 in these online followings and these cults. 20:52.170 --> 20:53.710 Yeah. You know, for some reason, 20:53.770 --> 20:54.510 when you were saying that, 20:54.590 --> 20:57.450 it made me think of the left, the progressives. 20:58.220 --> 21:02.630 They, people were, I went that path when I was younger too 21:02.630 --> 21:04.970 because it seemed like, oh, these are a good group of people. 21:05.150 --> 21:06.090 They love the planet. 21:06.250 --> 21:07.270 They love other people. 21:07.550 --> 21:12.610 Like it preys upon that idealism and that desire to do good. 21:12.930 --> 21:14.650 And you said it so well. 21:15.150 --> 21:16.550 It made me think of the left, 21:16.650 --> 21:19.870 which then has devolved today 21:19.870 --> 21:23.210 to be basically Satanism-like, you know? 21:23.210 --> 21:29.130 Like they really, it's not that there's the divide is false. 21:29.750 --> 21:33.490 There's all roads to run because the two, don't get me wrong. 21:33.610 --> 21:35.250 The left, the right, their wings off, sing bird. 21:35.370 --> 21:37.450 But do you know what I mean with the left kind of thing? 21:37.690 --> 21:38.950 Yeah, it's the heart and the mind, right? 21:39.110 --> 21:41.590 So like the right-wing person 21:41.590 --> 21:45.070 is like more logical, rational, mind-based 21:45.070 --> 21:48.150 and makes him cold and heartless to the liberal heart place. 21:48.270 --> 21:49.890 So I said like they're hearts in the right place, 21:49.930 --> 21:50.730 but their brain's not. 21:51.130 --> 21:51.870 And so on the other side, 21:51.870 --> 21:53.490 they're accessing the brain, but not the heart. 21:53.650 --> 21:55.730 So it's like, you can see how it is both sides 21:55.730 --> 21:56.830 and they're just playing it, right? 21:57.730 --> 21:59.610 But yeah, it is either accessing the logic line 21:59.610 --> 22:00.690 or it's accessing the heart. 22:00.790 --> 22:02.810 And that is kind of the two parties, right? 22:03.490 --> 22:04.750 Yeah, yeah. 22:04.890 --> 22:05.850 No, that's, that's the, 22:05.950 --> 22:08.090 basically describe the left brain and the right brain. 22:08.930 --> 22:10.810 And it's really dangerous because, 22:10.810 --> 22:12.370 and this is what I'm saying like, 22:14.050 --> 22:16.330 people's, people are really driven by emotion. 22:17.230 --> 22:19.610 And so when they access your heart, 22:19.610 --> 22:22.870 like through showing you traumatic images 22:22.870 --> 22:25.330 or things on the news is accessing your, 22:25.470 --> 22:26.870 like bypassing your critical mind, 22:26.970 --> 22:28.090 like even the way they show the news, 22:28.290 --> 22:29.950 like bamming it at you really quickly 22:29.950 --> 22:32.030 and then having the runners underneath saying stuff 22:32.030 --> 22:33.950 in words in your logic part of your brain, 22:34.010 --> 22:36.550 like it's actually just kind of going like this 22:36.550 --> 22:38.150 and then accessing into your emotions. 22:38.510 --> 22:40.270 And like that's actually, you know, 22:40.310 --> 22:43.090 how they get these like things to be radicalized 22:43.090 --> 22:44.090 or people to go and do really, 22:44.350 --> 22:45.990 it's always based on emotion, right? 22:46.110 --> 22:47.570 Like, or like going to a concert, right? 22:47.630 --> 22:48.710 And it turns into a mosh pit. 22:48.710 --> 22:51.510 It's like that when the logic line kicks out 22:52.090 --> 22:53.830 and they can harness people's emotion, 22:53.970 --> 22:56.190 which is like that's also what narcissists do. 22:56.330 --> 22:57.430 Like people are like, oh, I'm so smart, 22:57.510 --> 22:59.030 how could I get sucked into this? 22:59.130 --> 23:00.150 Like I didn't think I'd be that stupid. 23:00.390 --> 23:01.430 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, 23:01.670 --> 23:03.230 because they're bypassing your critical mind. 23:03.450 --> 23:04.630 They're accessing your emotion. 23:04.850 --> 23:05.810 They're accessing your inner child. 23:05.910 --> 23:08.550 They're actually accessing your wounds of the inner child 23:08.550 --> 23:10.370 and attaching that part of your wounded child 23:10.370 --> 23:13.530 that wants to believe that there's like a good leader 23:13.530 --> 23:16.710 and a parental figure and a guru and the, so, 23:16.710 --> 23:24.850 So that's like, I actually have had conversations with people that are abusers and they've told 23:24.850 --> 23:27.750 me straight to my face, it's all about accessing the emotion. 23:28.190 --> 23:32.350 And every guy that's like a player online or something, or whether somebody's a sex, 23:32.730 --> 23:35.930 like a pedophile grooming, they all know this. 23:36.250 --> 23:38.250 You don't go and convince somebody logically. 23:38.530 --> 23:43.150 You access the emotion, you love bomb them, you make them feel inclusive, but you 23:43.150 --> 23:47.010 access their inner when a child and then you can pretty much do whatever you want to 23:47.010 --> 23:48.910 them because they're not in their critical mind anymore. 23:49.350 --> 23:51.270 And abusers know this and cult leaders know this. 23:51.650 --> 23:52.610 Politicians know this. 23:52.930 --> 23:53.810 Governments know this. 23:55.670 --> 23:57.610 It's something we all need to know. 23:58.410 --> 24:00.530 Yeah, that's a brilliant point, Jamie. 24:00.910 --> 24:04.310 I mean, you're always brilliant, but that's really I want to highlight that 24:04.310 --> 24:05.390 like a hundred times. 24:05.910 --> 24:10.170 And you know what you were saying a minute ago about like how people want this. 24:10.290 --> 24:12.230 It's a little bit of the savior thing, right? 24:12.230 --> 24:13.810 They just want to be saved. 24:14.030 --> 24:16.430 They want to be part of a good club. 24:16.650 --> 24:21.810 They don't it's easier that way to follow someone, right? 24:22.050 --> 24:28.830 To give it all over then to be your own, you know, to use your own mind and all of that. 24:28.970 --> 24:32.610 But that emotional thing that you described, I mean, that's basically one 24:32.610 --> 24:37.790 of the main factors in mind control, you know, everyone's mind control on this planet. 24:38.430 --> 24:41.670 Advertising does it, you know, everything. 24:41.670 --> 24:44.590 So a brilliant point, absolutely. 24:45.210 --> 24:48.910 Well, and actually being smart can make you more vulnerable because your defenses 24:48.910 --> 24:52.430 aren't up like if you're if you're the type of person that's like, oh, I know, 24:52.490 --> 24:55.210 I always attract abusers after really careful of somebody loves bombing 24:55.210 --> 24:56.190 because I fall for it every night. 24:56.270 --> 24:59.330 Like if you know that, but but people who are like educated 24:59.330 --> 25:03.110 and think they're really intellectual and smart, they actually don't think 25:03.110 --> 25:04.710 that that stuff's going to affect them. 25:04.750 --> 25:06.370 So then they actually don't have their guard up. 25:06.410 --> 25:09.670 And that's actually how they can recruit in highly intelligent people 25:09.670 --> 25:12.870 to emotionally driven bonds in organizations. 25:13.350 --> 25:18.550 It actually I can't tell you how many people I know that have gotten sucked 25:18.550 --> 25:22.830 into stuff like even money fraud stuff online and stuff. 25:23.050 --> 25:23.110 Right. 25:23.910 --> 25:27.590 But like and the way they do it, I actually just had a friend who she got 25:27.590 --> 25:32.450 scammed and they had paid her out like a payout of $500 25:32.450 --> 25:35.610 and got her all like happy about this Bitcoin thing. 25:35.990 --> 25:36.950 Like and they did. 25:37.130 --> 25:38.670 They literally did give her the $500. 25:38.670 --> 25:43.030 So then that put her guard down and then she went in and put in more money. 25:43.090 --> 25:44.010 And that was the whole scam. 25:44.230 --> 25:46.730 Like they know if they give if they give you something, it's like, 25:46.770 --> 25:47.950 that's the love bomb, right? 25:47.990 --> 25:50.790 Because then your defenses are down and that's a money example. 25:50.950 --> 25:52.850 But like this is what these cults do, too. 25:52.970 --> 25:55.470 Like they give you something and then you think, oh, well, 25:55.490 --> 25:56.750 they're not taking advantage of me. 25:56.790 --> 25:57.910 They just gave me $500. 25:58.270 --> 26:01.250 And then you're and then you want to reciprocate and give back to them. 26:01.630 --> 26:06.110 You know, so it's like just yeah, it's just something to really be aware 26:06.110 --> 26:10.030 of catching yourself doing when you want something to be true. 26:11.030 --> 26:14.970 You know, and what you said earlier kind of goes in there, too. 26:15.110 --> 26:19.230 Like the whole point of university is mind control. 26:19.590 --> 26:23.190 I mean, it's all cult run and cult owned and the more prestigious 26:23.190 --> 26:27.410 and I believe the university, the more cult like activity 26:27.410 --> 26:29.530 and mind control goes on. 26:30.230 --> 26:32.610 And so you're right. 26:32.850 --> 26:35.230 That's I mean, there's things that are so simple, 26:35.230 --> 26:36.430 but we're so used to them. 26:36.510 --> 26:37.330 We don't question them. 26:37.330 --> 26:40.810 And it's what you said earlier, like, OK, so you pay hundreds of thousands 26:40.810 --> 26:46.530 of dollars to go to a place to sit there and be taught bullshit, 26:47.790 --> 26:50.630 distorted stuff, you know, to be mind controlled. 26:51.370 --> 26:52.470 You're not even taught now. 26:52.630 --> 26:55.530 You just get a list of the books and the and, you know, 26:55.650 --> 26:57.430 the professors are online that they select. 26:57.810 --> 26:59.710 Even like you're going to be right. 27:00.690 --> 27:04.190 The books that they select, the narrative that they want you to learn. 27:04.890 --> 27:09.490 And then you get that rewarded for that by, you know, this degree. 27:09.810 --> 27:12.950 That's why I don't put any of my degrees behind my name. 27:13.210 --> 27:15.570 I I'd realize that that's bullshit. 27:16.030 --> 27:19.190 So then you have a bunch of educated people 27:20.210 --> 27:24.290 who are who are completely mind controlled 27:24.290 --> 27:26.390 and spouting stuff that isn't true. 27:26.430 --> 27:29.590 But because they paid that money and put in put in those years 27:29.590 --> 27:33.450 and got those degrees, you know, they they believe 27:33.450 --> 27:34.570 that they know better. 27:35.210 --> 27:39.890 I mean, even just a vague description of that would be like a doctor. 27:40.150 --> 27:43.050 I mean, they go in meaning well, you know, they want to be a healer 27:43.050 --> 27:46.030 and help people by the time they graduate medical school. 27:46.330 --> 27:49.470 I mean, oh, geez, you know, it's not good. 27:51.570 --> 27:55.150 So, you know, just because someone is charismatic 27:55.150 --> 27:59.230 or tells you they're above other people or tells you their psychic 27:59.230 --> 28:01.770 and angels told them this is the absolute truth, 28:02.210 --> 28:04.610 or they have 20 degrees from Harvard. 28:05.510 --> 28:07.650 Just use your certain people. 28:08.050 --> 28:11.870 I just run now, because honestly, I just don't the more perfect 28:11.870 --> 28:15.390 somebody seems the less the more of a red flag it is to me. 28:15.490 --> 28:19.130 Like, I need to see some faults in a person or something genuine 28:19.130 --> 28:21.630 or I need to see your hair messy, at least like where I'm like, 28:21.650 --> 28:22.690 OK, you're a real person. 28:22.830 --> 28:25.870 That's not trying to have this, like, as soon as I see this veneer, 28:25.870 --> 28:27.510 I'm like, just run, you know what I mean? 28:27.530 --> 28:30.890 Because it's hiding something like, you know what I mean? 28:31.770 --> 28:32.490 Yes, I do. 28:32.710 --> 28:36.130 Well, that's the moral of this dose of episode people. 28:37.270 --> 28:38.870 Take it. Take it in. 28:39.530 --> 28:41.070 Let's use our discernment. 28:41.850 --> 28:43.710 You know, trust. 28:44.250 --> 28:47.590 You got to trust yourself, because if you can trust yourself, 28:47.610 --> 28:49.670 you don't need to worry about trusting anyone else 28:49.670 --> 28:51.310 because you'll be able, you'll know, right? 28:53.570 --> 28:56.110 So we'll leave it at that for today, Jamie. 28:56.910 --> 29:01.350 And I'll we'll pick this up for another topic 29:01.930 --> 29:03.570 I don't know what we're going to talk about next, 29:03.810 --> 29:06.330 but we'll talk about something else on the next dose of truth. 29:06.750 --> 29:07.690 So I'll see you then. 29:08.290 --> 29:08.970 Thanks, Max.