WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.980 All right. Okay. Well, first of all, thank you for this opportunity to have this chat with you. 00:06.000 --> 00:10.560 This is an honor for me and it's so lovely to meet you in person. I know we've been exchanging emails 00:10.560 --> 00:14.660 back and forth in voice recordings. What have you with the past so many months? And it's just 00:16.180 --> 00:19.540 you know, just great to, you know, I don't know what we're not physically together, 00:19.540 --> 00:24.660 but just to talk with you in this moment where, you know, both our minds are just 00:24.660 --> 00:30.300 sort of merging for this experience. It's just a really, you know, just a great opportunity. So 00:30.300 --> 00:36.340 thank you for that first of all. So yeah, I guess I'll just introduce myself just to your audience. 00:36.740 --> 00:44.800 So just to introduce myself, my name is Hitsesh. That is spelled H-I-T-E-S-H. I'm of Asian descent, 00:44.980 --> 00:49.640 but I live in the UK. I've lived here all my life. And I've always had a huge passion 00:49.640 --> 00:55.460 for conspiracy research. This goes as far back since I was a toddler. I've always had this 00:55.460 --> 01:01.700 feeling of not fitting in, sense of not belonging, and always had this inkling that this world is 01:01.700 --> 01:07.500 not what we are told it is. As I grew up, I started to develop an interest in all things 01:07.500 --> 01:11.840 paranormal, the existence of extraterrestrials and the dimensions and various other areas 01:11.840 --> 01:17.860 of what you would call the unexplained. And here in the UK, we used to have this TV show 01:17.860 --> 01:22.140 back in the 90s called Strange But True. I don't know if you've heard of it, 01:22.440 --> 01:29.800 but it was hosted by Michael Aspell. And each episode explored cases of supernatural phenomena. 01:30.340 --> 01:35.400 It was definitely a show that really catapulted me into these subjects. I know in America, 01:35.400 --> 01:42.800 you had a similar version called Beyond Believe Fact or Fiction. And they were both great anyway. 01:43.940 --> 01:50.920 But moving on to my teams, I started to learn about the secret society networks that run our 01:50.920 --> 01:59.260 planet, started getting into David Ike. As I got into my mid-20s, I did create a conspiracy-based 01:59.260 --> 02:04.340 website which expanded on a wide range of spiritual slash conspiratorial subjects, 02:04.920 --> 02:11.900 sharing information from alternative researchers from which then developed a YouTube channel 02:11.900 --> 02:17.140 where I had the unique experience of interviewing people from different backgrounds, 02:18.300 --> 02:24.280 specializing in specific areas of alternative research. And then as I got into my 30s, I realized 02:24.280 --> 02:29.340 that I'd made a lot of mistakes in this journey. I wasn't really building any momentum. So I just 02:29.340 --> 02:34.980 packed it all in and decided to move on to other things in my life. I said to myself, 02:35.100 --> 02:39.020 well, we've already got the likes of David Ike and others who have an enormous amount of 02:39.020 --> 02:43.140 reach. So I'll just continue to contribute to positive change in the world where I can 02:43.660 --> 02:50.760 with what works. And then fast forwarded to a 20. The convid pandemic kicked off and I felt I had 02:50.760 --> 02:56.700 to return to the conspiracy field. And it was interesting because even though I'd been away 02:56.700 --> 03:01.700 from conspiracy research for a few years, I knew at some point I would have to return. 03:02.640 --> 03:07.500 So I joined the marches, the anti-lockdown protests. And this was a massive learning 03:07.500 --> 03:11.660 period for me as it was for many others who were awake to what was really going on. 03:11.940 --> 03:16.360 Because I started to learn about jam theory, terrain theory. So whilst we were in the midst of 03:16.360 --> 03:23.020 incredible government tyranny, it also freed me in a lot of ways. And then moving on to 2023, 03:26.380 --> 03:31.760 that was the point where I stumbled on a flat earth video from a guy called allegedly Dave. 03:32.400 --> 03:37.020 And before I hit play, I remember saying to myself, well, this probably isn't going to 03:37.020 --> 03:42.360 grab me, but I've got some time spare. So let's just give it a listen. And when the video finished, 03:42.440 --> 03:48.760 I was really captivated. So whilst I had a passion for alternative research for so many years, it was 03:48.760 --> 03:54.180 only from two years ago that I really paid any attention to flat earth. And then I stumbled 03:54.180 --> 03:59.560 on the research of flat earth Dave, who I have to say really sold it to me. However, 03:59.700 --> 04:04.580 what I wasn't what what I was not resonating with as far as flat earth day was concerned. 04:04.580 --> 04:09.280 And I know you and I have talked about this is the whole idea of the creator being a loving 04:09.280 --> 04:14.260 benevolent God. And every time I watched his videos, I would either stop the video or skip 04:14.260 --> 04:18.900 these parts where he would talk about the idea of a loving creator responsible for this creation. 04:20.080 --> 04:26.180 And I started to notice a paradigm with the flat earth forerunners, whereby they were fixated 04:26.180 --> 04:31.240 on this idea that this reality was created by a loving benevolent God. And I asked the 04:31.240 --> 04:38.580 question, why is this? Because I can accept flat earth. But what I can't think with is the whole 04:38.580 --> 04:43.820 notion that a benevolent creator was responsible for creating a world where living organisms 04:43.820 --> 04:49.360 have to feed off other living organisms for their own survival. Now, my argument here is, 04:49.440 --> 04:54.180 okay, if that's what you believe, so be it, it's not up to me to tell you what to believe 04:54.180 --> 04:59.100 or whatnot. But let's at least make room for other possibilities. Let's at least acknowledge 04:59.100 --> 05:04.000 that there are other explanations with regards to our creation. And then I finally found you. 05:04.620 --> 05:10.200 The moment of truth, I found your YouTube channel. And as soon as I realized that you 05:10.200 --> 05:15.800 didn't fit that mold that I just talked about, I breathed a sigh of relief. Finally, 05:15.920 --> 05:20.280 a flat earth with social media following here was willing to accept an alternative viewpoint. 05:20.680 --> 05:26.480 And then either an email directly, you responded, we quickly realized that we had a lot in common 05:26.480 --> 05:31.120 and eventually it's led to this talk where a like minds have come together to have this 05:31.120 --> 05:38.260 explosive discussion. So here we are right on. I wasn't aware that you had like had a YouTube 05:38.260 --> 05:45.340 channel and been so into conspiracy research and like done interviews a decade or more ago as 05:45.340 --> 05:49.720 well. And then kind of got out of it out of it and back into it like that. That's interesting. 05:49.920 --> 05:55.240 Do you still have the YouTube channel? Did you get banned by any chance? Or did you take 05:55.240 --> 05:59.200 it down just so you could, you know, pursue an occupation and that kind of thing? 06:00.020 --> 06:08.040 So what happened was, yeah, the whole thing I was kind of working on was the website was 06:08.040 --> 06:12.640 called transform the illusion is in transform our reality, transform the holographic reality. 06:12.880 --> 06:17.800 So that was the place I was coming from. And the website was transform the illusion.com. 06:18.020 --> 06:23.400 And then I had the YouTube channel. That doesn't exist anymore. It's all gone. The 06:23.400 --> 06:27.400 website's gone. The YouTube channel is taken down. All the videos are gone. It is all. 06:27.880 --> 06:34.680 And I think for me, the frustration it kind of came when I felt as though I wasn't really 06:35.340 --> 06:42.480 causing a change or really kind of making a difference to sort of anything I felt as though 06:42.480 --> 06:48.720 I wasn't really making a big enough impact to things. And some videos did quite well. 06:48.720 --> 06:56.540 They did get like a fairly high hit rate, but I wasn't satisfied with it. And I wasn't kind of happy 06:56.540 --> 07:02.540 with the way I was going about it. So that's why. And there were other things that I wanted to do 07:02.540 --> 07:10.860 in my life as well. So yeah, it's just really, I think I just kind of just acted out of instinct 07:10.860 --> 07:18.720 probably and just tore the whole thing down. Understandable. Yeah. But when the powers that 07:18.720 --> 07:25.660 be pull these things off like the convid stuff and whatever other stuff, it does force you to come 07:25.660 --> 07:34.900 back. It's interesting because if they just kind of let us be, we've got no reason to return. Well, 07:35.080 --> 07:39.360 I mean, I suppose you can optionally, but it kind of forces you to return a little bit, 07:39.360 --> 07:43.940 doesn't it? When when these kind of global events happening, you're like, gosh, I've got to come back 07:43.940 --> 07:50.840 now. It's so front and center. It's like every every dinner table discussion. That was so 07:50.840 --> 07:56.560 blatant that even if you didn't want to step out and be the focus of attention, 07:56.580 --> 08:01.500 everybody's talking about it. And like even just trying to shirk away from certain 08:01.500 --> 08:08.260 discussions gives away your actual opinion. So there was no there really was no way of 08:09.360 --> 08:14.860 getting away from that silently. Everybody had to be front and center and say what they thought 08:14.860 --> 08:20.860 and it caused quite a bit of upheaval. And I feel like we're still in the wake of that now, 08:20.980 --> 08:25.240 where everyone's kind of going around like, what should you know, like post traumatic stress, 08:25.400 --> 08:30.240 like as a world, we all kind of have PTSD right now. And we're just like, what just 08:30.240 --> 08:33.660 happened? Like, is that going to ever happen again? Are we going to allow that to happen 08:33.660 --> 08:38.260 again? And there's a whole sector of the population that absolutely will allow that to 08:38.260 --> 08:43.260 happen again. And they'll cheer it on and champion it, which is the crazy thing that we found 08:43.260 --> 08:48.240 happening during that time, is that there was such a big part of the population that's so 08:48.240 --> 08:54.220 willing to go along with the most ridiculous and illogical notions, as long as they're 08:54.220 --> 09:02.000 told by a perceived authority figure, we're so compelled to do whatever the government 09:02.000 --> 09:09.300 could be doctors, whoever we perceive as an authority figure at the time, we just give up 09:09.300 --> 09:15.680 our autonomy and agency and critical thought to whatever dictates they have and just go along 09:15.680 --> 09:21.640 with it on a mass scale. And that was quite disconcerting to see that happen then. And I 09:21.640 --> 09:27.660 think a lot of us are disconcerted about the future. And if something else like that is being 09:27.660 --> 09:32.800 planned, because that certainly was planned beforehand. And now who knows what they're planning now? 09:34.200 --> 09:42.240 100%. Here in the UK, we've got this digital ID thing that is trying to be kind of imposed 09:42.240 --> 09:47.520 upon us. We've had one large protest in London against that. I don't think we've 09:47.520 --> 09:55.300 had any other kind of smaller ones. But yeah, I mean, it kind of feels like here that 09:55.300 --> 10:03.240 we are back again a little bit. It's like, okay, here we go again. But the good news is that has 10:03.240 --> 10:09.120 been an enormous amount of pushback against digital ID in this country. And it's really positive 10:09.800 --> 10:18.260 that. And we really have got something here in terms of a pushback against that. So 10:19.120 --> 10:25.460 yeah, there's every reason to be optimistic on that one. But yeah, let's just see sort of what 10:25.460 --> 10:30.560 happens. Yeah. Yeah, that's good to hear that there's pushback because that does seem to be 10:30.560 --> 10:37.640 the next bit of the agenda on the 2030 here is to get everybody on a digital biometric system 10:37.640 --> 10:43.620 worldwide. And Asia seems to be going along with it quite well. China, of course, is their 10:43.620 --> 10:51.500 first test country that's full blown social credit scores and all. And that seems to be the 10:51.500 --> 10:56.820 model they would like to bring in everywhere, as long as we're compliant enough to allow them 10:56.820 --> 11:03.760 to do so. So it's good that in the Western world, a lot of us are rebellious and individual enough 11:03.760 --> 11:09.760 to think of these kind of things over in Asia, everyone's just kind of like a group mentality 11:10.320 --> 11:16.820 go along with the new technology is the best. There's very, very little pushback to any of this 11:16.820 --> 11:23.360 in Asia at all. And that's concerning. Is that what you experienced when you were in Thailand? 11:23.880 --> 11:30.360 Yeah. Yeah. They just love that there's the convenience of all the new technology and 11:30.360 --> 11:35.520 they just think of it as progress. They don't see the potential negatives and all the things 11:35.520 --> 11:42.160 that could happen down the line. And what happens with the mass electrical outage? What happens if 11:42.160 --> 11:49.600 you go against the government and now they can turn your digital idea off? There's a bunch of 11:49.600 --> 11:55.580 what ifs that they don't seem to question those kind of things. They just like the idea of 11:55.580 --> 12:03.420 progress and the new thing, the next new novel item. Yeah. That's really interesting. 12:03.420 --> 12:07.720 Would you say that's partially the reason why you left or I mean, I know there must be a 12:07.720 --> 12:13.120 multitude of factors. Yeah. No. No. I mean, the main reason is just more to be with family. 12:13.640 --> 12:20.660 Yeah. Because there's when it comes to being disappointed with the types of people I find, 12:21.180 --> 12:27.100 it's worldwide. There's good and bad, intelligent and unintelligent people 12:27.100 --> 12:32.900 everywhere. I haven't really found any place that I thought like, oh, this place in general 12:32.900 --> 12:38.740 is more enlightened than some other place. It's more just in pockets or in individuals 12:38.740 --> 12:47.080 than it is in like an entire country or a town even. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Okay. All right. 12:47.480 --> 12:52.180 You know, great sort of introduction a little bit for us both to kind of get 12:52.180 --> 12:56.540 things starting. Shall we start off with the questions? Oh, yeah. Go ahead. 12:56.880 --> 13:00.780 Okay. So I'll just read out this disclaimer just to make your listeners aware that what 13:00.780 --> 13:04.820 we're about to talk about may come across as very negative and bleak, but I think it's 13:04.820 --> 13:09.040 important to expose this reality for what it is. And what we don't want by the end of this is 13:09.040 --> 13:14.380 for you to feel hopeless and a defeatist. So we will end this on a positive as much as we can. 13:15.320 --> 13:21.340 Okay. So here's a nice icebreaker to get things started. Have you seen the movie Last Action 13:21.340 --> 13:27.120 Hero? Yeah. So I haven't seen that. Okay. It is so profound. It's about a kid who 13:27.120 --> 13:34.440 inhabits an earth realm representative of our reality and gets transported to another earth 13:34.440 --> 13:39.100 realm via a cinema ticket. Now the difference between that realm and the one in which where 13:39.100 --> 13:44.740 he came from is that the world he has leaped into is energetically synchronized so that the 13:44.740 --> 13:51.120 good guys win. Now the villain from that realm gets hold of this ticket and uses it to travel 13:51.120 --> 13:55.780 to the world in which this kid came from originally and very quickly realizes that 13:55.780 --> 14:00.860 this is the reality where the bad guys win and there is a scene where he walks up to a random 14:00.860 --> 14:06.520 guy and shoots him in cold blood and then shouts out loud, I just killed the man I want to confess 14:06.520 --> 14:13.020 and he gets little or no reaction to it. Now our reality may not be as extreme as that, 14:13.040 --> 14:17.880 but there is definitely a parallel here and I do feel that our reality is energetically 14:17.880 --> 14:23.040 synchronized to support evil and criminals. Some people may argue that it is just people 14:23.040 --> 14:27.300 doing bad things and nothing to do with the natural world we live in and whilst there is no 14:27.300 --> 14:31.120 doubt there are bad people in this world, I genuinely believe that the earth works in favor 14:31.120 --> 14:36.240 of bad doers. Do you agree and what experiences have you gone through in your life, in your own 14:36.240 --> 14:44.340 life that supports this? That makes me also think of the movie. Have you seen American Psycho? 14:45.060 --> 14:51.300 I've not seen that, no. In that movie, this guy who is an absolute psycho and a 14:51.300 --> 14:58.680 homicidal serial killer maniac at the end of it, he, I don't know if you would say gains the 14:58.680 --> 15:04.920 conscience or not, but he wants to confess similar to that and so he's trying to confess to his 15:04.920 --> 15:11.880 murders and his lawyer and his friends and co-workers and everyone around him doesn't 15:11.880 --> 15:19.040 even believe him even after he tries to confess at all and yeah same gets little to no reaction 15:19.040 --> 15:27.260 to it. So I do in a way agree with what you're saying. It seems like here the rich elite psychopaths 15:27.260 --> 15:34.460 seem to be aligned with some powerful negative spiritual power. They seem to be rewarded 15:34.460 --> 15:42.080 for being superficial and selfish and materialistic and meanwhile like truly good selfish and 15:42.080 --> 15:47.860 spiritual people more often than not in my experience tend to be poor, downtrodden 15:47.860 --> 15:54.080 and suffer all sorts of ways just for trying to help and there's there's a bunch of idioms that 15:54.080 --> 15:58.980 we've been like cliches that we've made over the years that point to this idea as well. 15:59.780 --> 16:06.040 No good deed goes unpunished. Only the good die young. Virtue is its own punishment. 16:06.880 --> 16:13.720 Nice guys finish last. Life isn't fair. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. 16:14.620 --> 16:20.340 Even the message of the Bible seems to be basically this to me when I read it. I see 16:20.340 --> 16:27.440 God incarnating himself onto earth to try and help everybody. The most perfect selfless person 16:28.120 --> 16:33.940 imaginable. Ultimately what happens he gains the cult following and then he's kidnapped, 16:34.540 --> 16:41.600 tortured and killed just for trying to help here. So how advanced, how spiritually developed, 16:41.600 --> 16:49.120 how positive can this world truly be if God sends his son here to try and help and that's 16:49.120 --> 16:58.520 what happens. It absolutely does seem like this is a negatively charged world. I even think that 16:58.520 --> 17:05.520 the negative is disproportional to the positive in a bunch of ways like a thought experiment 17:05.520 --> 17:12.480 I've presented that if you were given an hour of the most pleasurable pleasure that you can imagine 17:12.480 --> 17:20.900 here on earth but then afterwards you would have to suffer one hour of the most diabolical medieval 17:20.900 --> 17:27.800 torture methods would anyone with a straight face actually take that deal. I haven't found 17:27.800 --> 17:34.680 anybody because yeah because the amount of pain possible here from some of these you know 17:35.640 --> 17:40.860 flagellation and ripping your skin off or plucking your eyeballs out you know whatever 17:40.860 --> 17:47.280 there's just terrible things that can be done and have been done throughout history to people 17:48.200 --> 17:53.800 and there is no pleasure I can't imagine any pleasure that feels good enough that I would 17:53.800 --> 18:01.340 want to endure that kind of pain yet our creator has created a realm where that is exactly what 18:01.340 --> 18:07.060 happens I mean and I can imagine and I've heard from near-death experiencers that they feel 18:07.060 --> 18:13.240 pleasure even more so than they've ever experienced on the best drugs here once they get out of 18:13.240 --> 18:21.640 their body meanwhile I can I can imagine a way of pain not hurting as much as it does 18:21.640 --> 18:26.500 you could you know have your whole arm cut off and have it just be like oops like you stubbed 18:26.500 --> 18:31.120 your toe or something and then regrow your arm back off you know right back and there's no 18:31.600 --> 18:37.820 no issue it doesn't hurt doesn't take any time that could be possible you know the earth and our 18:37.820 --> 18:45.380 experience everything has been designed exactly how it is and not otherwise due to some intelligent 18:45.380 --> 18:52.600 beings purposeful design and most people for whatever reason like you mentioned seem to think that 18:52.600 --> 19:01.460 that being is perfect and benevolent and holy loving and to think that way you almost have to 19:01.460 --> 19:08.640 close your mind off to certain aspects of reality or do some kind of cope or what I've termed 19:08.640 --> 19:15.460 have a spiritual Stockholm syndrome to even be able to think that way though that is the main 19:15.460 --> 19:22.300 you know belief system by pretty much every major world religion and even the new age 19:22.730 --> 19:28.400 is that a loving god put us here earth is like a school where we learn lessons 19:28.400 --> 19:34.180 and ultimately we're going to evolve and go somewhere better but I've got a lot of questions 19:34.180 --> 19:44.340 about why if you're the creator why why create fallen disempowered beings that need to go to 19:44.340 --> 19:50.760 school and you know and suffer through all these lifetimes to eventually evolve and then 19:50.760 --> 19:56.100 deserve to go to some better place some heaven that you've created that then maybe they'll 19:56.100 --> 20:02.000 they'll deserve to go there like what is this whole process if you are the creator of everything 20:02.580 --> 20:10.740 what's the point of creating all of that and why make it there's so much suffering and confusion 20:11.500 --> 20:15.920 because that's another big part of this is the confusion he's not we don't actually know any of 20:15.920 --> 20:21.340 this we don't have god with a blackboard in front of the the school saying okay here's the 20:21.340 --> 20:26.080 curriculum here's what you gotta do no we don't even have that we have to guess at all of it 20:26.530 --> 20:34.020 and uh yeah so I mean I definitely resonate with what you said I think pain hurts more than 20:34.020 --> 20:41.740 pleasure feels good here and there are inherent negatives and unnecessary evils here like chronic 20:41.740 --> 20:49.240 and degenerative illnesses mental psychoses parasites natural disasters and the biggest one 20:49.240 --> 20:57.440 that you mentioned the food chain the fact that every being has to eat the life energy of other 20:57.440 --> 21:04.080 living things just to continue their life so the the whole thing about life here is that life has 21:04.080 --> 21:11.260 to consume life to continue life what a dumb way to set up your system if you're a holy 21:11.260 --> 21:17.420 benevolent perfect and loving creator if that was the case don't set up a system where life 21:17.420 --> 21:25.280 needs to feed upon life to maintain its life you know cool yeah no that was just a beautiful 21:25.280 --> 21:32.460 answer to that but if you notice something else people rarely die of old age uh like you always 21:32.460 --> 21:38.600 hear like someone who's died of a disease like literally 95 percent at a time like people don't 21:38.600 --> 21:44.060 go peace for like very rare people go peacefully it's always they die of something 21:44.060 --> 21:53.800 hmm yeah almost always uh I don't know I that's one of my hopes is that when it is my time to go 21:53.800 --> 21:59.340 that I don't have to suffer or go through some kind of disease I wish that of everybody that 21:59.340 --> 22:04.560 everyone could just peacefully go either in their sleep or what you know when they wanted to 22:04.560 --> 22:12.120 it would make more sense if if we could just out of body travel out of here and into here 22:12.120 --> 22:19.600 at will like if this is a school why can't we leave if this isn't a prison why can't we 22:19.600 --> 22:24.500 go out of here um you know school you go go home at the end of the day and then you come back 22:24.500 --> 22:29.880 because you want to whereas a prison you can't and here on earth it seems that way to me it seems 22:29.880 --> 22:34.960 more like a prison um there's people that claim that they can travel out of body but 22:34.960 --> 22:40.840 they come right on back and they're still here um maybe some people who die are advanced 22:40.840 --> 22:45.600 out of body travelers who make it to a better spiritual dimension and they're like 22:45.600 --> 22:51.900 peace out there's no way I'm coming back and we would never know that I hold hope that that is 22:51.900 --> 22:57.580 a possibility and that maybe it's easier to do something like that when you're closer to death 22:57.580 --> 23:04.000 like the veil is a bit thinner and so you may be able to kind of exit gracefully 23:04.000 --> 23:09.480 um if you or if you know if you have the gnosis that would be what the Gnostics say 23:10.040 --> 23:17.160 they say the Gnostic Gnostics and Cathards are the two kind of ancient religions that are 23:17.160 --> 23:23.440 the only two that I found that are different the Buddhism in some ways also that are different 23:23.440 --> 23:29.260 than the prevailing world religions that all have like a benevolent loving perfect creator 23:30.140 --> 23:36.160 the Gnosticism says that yeah there's a monad or an unknowable god 23:37.580 --> 23:45.380 but beneath that there's a whole storyline just like in the bible where there's lesser gods 23:45.980 --> 23:53.600 and supposedly there was this goddess called Sophia wanted to create on her own without the 23:54.240 --> 24:05.400 help of a male and she created Yaldoboth a demiurge who then created archons and created earth and created 24:06.560 --> 24:13.820 humans and animals and everything and supposedly to steal our light energy and so this demiurge was 24:14.280 --> 24:21.760 more like satan than god but he wanted to be treated like god and that's why in the old 24:21.760 --> 24:26.900 testament you see god being a jealous god and not wanting anyone to think of there being 24:26.900 --> 24:34.260 any other gods in the Gnostic version the old testament god is this demiurge whereas the new 24:34.260 --> 24:42.940 testament god that sent jesus here is the monad the one true unknowable god so the deception 24:42.940 --> 24:47.500 that kind of happened with the bible and Gnosticism is that by taking out some of these 24:47.500 --> 24:54.560 Gnostic texts like the apocryphon of john and the pistis Sophia they left us with an incomplete 24:54.560 --> 25:00.100 version of the bible that makes it seem like the god of the old testament and the god of the new 25:00.100 --> 25:06.860 testament are the exact same person when they are the exact opposite in every way and then we 25:06.860 --> 25:14.920 have to have a bunch of weird cope and hypocritical explanations to try and explain why god changed 25:14.920 --> 25:23.260 so much from one book to the next i'm getting a bit off topic but that is why yeah like Gnosticism 25:23.260 --> 25:29.860 at early Christianity makes more sense to me than the current version of Christianity where 25:29.860 --> 25:35.540 a lot of these essential texts have been taken out and so your context for this whole mythology has 25:35.540 --> 25:41.800 been skewed and in a way that never made sense to me but then when reintroduced with the the 25:41.800 --> 25:46.700 extra text extra biblical texts that Gnostic gospels makes a whole lot more sense 25:46.700 --> 25:51.700 and it's still just mythology so i mean i don't know about all the names and places and people 25:51.700 --> 25:58.140 and everything but as a general story for an explanation of why we're here how we're here 25:58.140 --> 26:04.400 what this realm is how it was set up it does resonate in certain ways especially this aspect 26:04.400 --> 26:12.840 of the the creator of this realm not being the ultimate creator and perhaps the creator of this 26:12.840 --> 26:19.340 realm being a more negative entity and the ultimate creator being either outside of its control 26:19.340 --> 26:26.740 or allowing him to do this or wanting us personally to find a way out of here or back to him 26:26.740 --> 26:34.160 through Gnosis which is what the Gnostics believe. Sure and i'm glad you uh i know you said you went 26:34.160 --> 26:38.960 off topic but i'm actually glad that you went a bit off topic then and went into Gnosticism because 26:38.960 --> 26:44.860 that kind of leads me on to my next question anyway which where that topic was going to 26:44.860 --> 26:52.180 arise so um great answer by the way i'd like to come back to this area of research shortly 26:52.180 --> 26:58.660 but for now i'd like to address the dominant belief systems that are ingrained in the Flat Earth 26:58.660 --> 27:04.420 community probably for me the most controversial being that this world was created by a loving 27:04.420 --> 27:08.940 benevolent god who is all knowing and built this realm for the purpose of learning spiritual 27:08.940 --> 27:14.560 development evolution and inner growth so again it was good that you you brought all those 27:14.560 --> 27:20.240 areas like Gnosticism into that because now that really easily gets us on to this next question 27:20.240 --> 27:26.260 so question two flat earth and the loving god paradigm now this belief has definitely been 27:26.260 --> 27:30.700 pushed by some very prominent flat earthers who have a big social media following and they often 27:30.700 --> 27:35.620 come out with such statements such as you can't be a flat earther if you don't believe in a creator 27:35.620 --> 27:41.480 now my response to that is yes there is a creator but that creator is not a benevolent loving 27:41.480 --> 27:47.100 god but rather a demi-herge who has many names but i guess the one most will be familiar 27:47.100 --> 27:51.460 with is the one that you've already mentioned when you answer the first question which is a Gnostic 27:51.460 --> 27:58.560 version called Yorda Bayoth and we can get into that as deep as we want but the the short summary 27:58.560 --> 28:04.060 of that is our realities managed by malevolent entities called Archons who in turn serve the 28:04.060 --> 28:09.400 demi-herge at Yorda Bayoth do you think the loving god concept is the general dominant 28:09.400 --> 28:14.720 consensus of the flat earth movement and why has it been so deeply ingrained into the 28:14.720 --> 28:22.100 belief system of that community at the exclusion of all of the possibilities yeah i do think that 28:22.640 --> 28:29.060 is by far the general dominant consensus of the majority of flat earthers as well as pretty 28:29.060 --> 28:36.660 much every major religion and new age belief system um but for me the concept of a holy loving 28:36.660 --> 28:42.520 and benevolent god being solely responsible for all creation doesn't resonate with me nearly 28:42.520 --> 28:49.180 as much as something like the Gnostic perspective which allows room for nuance and makes more much 28:49.180 --> 28:56.880 more sense i think of like the um is a epicure it's called the epicurean trilemma and there's a 28:56.880 --> 29:06.610 quote by epicureus epicureus um he says is god willing to prevent evil but not able then he's 29:06.610 --> 29:14.810 not omnipotent is he able but not willing then he is malevolent is he both able and willing 29:15.320 --> 29:24.010 then whence cometh evil is he neither able nor willing then why call him god there's like 29:24.880 --> 29:30.910 it's called a trilemma it's more than a dilemma there's three three parts to it if god is unable 29:30.910 --> 29:39.110 to prevent evil then he's not all powerful if he's not willing to prevent evil then he's not all good 29:39.880 --> 29:48.890 and if he's both willing and able to prevent evil then why does evil exist and most people 29:48.890 --> 29:57.850 or christians anyway would say satan or something or humans it's our fault but humans and or satan 29:58.310 --> 30:06.410 were created by this god uh so ultimately the only being that has pure free will 30:07.010 --> 30:17.090 would be the creator the ultimate creator and to say that satan this like scapegoat 30:17.590 --> 30:24.590 created by the creator who then is responsible for all evil and negative actions oh he's 30:24.590 --> 30:32.370 well god didn't have to create him you know god chose to create this nemesis and then blame 30:32.370 --> 30:38.990 everything on him and or with humans they'll often say no it's us we fell we we chose something 30:38.990 --> 30:44.710 wrong in the garden of Eden or it's due to our sin or and with that i would say it's kind of the 30:44.710 --> 30:53.670 same issue well why create fallen beings or you know why make original sins so simple you just 30:53.670 --> 30:59.970 oh don't eat this apple and then you eat an apple and now thousands of years of humanity is now condemned 30:59.970 --> 31:09.410 to sin for this this one action it just seems like there's petty and an overreaction and that we 31:09.410 --> 31:18.070 don't have nearly the amount of agency that we should have as created beings here but to 31:18.070 --> 31:22.510 get back to your initial question it does seem like the flat earth community 31:24.110 --> 31:29.570 they're mostly uh christians and like literalists you know the modern day version of christian not 31:29.570 --> 31:36.830 gnostic christians very few are that um and the few that are other religions often i find 31:36.830 --> 31:43.770 it almost seems like they're christians first and flat earth or second or or hindus first and 31:43.770 --> 31:52.630 flat earth or second in the sense that when they come across flat earth they they see it as bolstering 31:52.630 --> 32:01.470 their holy book like oh we can now use scientific facts and demonstrations to show another part of 32:01.470 --> 32:09.130 our book is true because flat earth is present in pretty much every religion but i would say that's 32:09.130 --> 32:15.970 not just to show that each religious scripture is now true every bit of each religious scriptures 32:15.970 --> 32:21.730 true because flat earth is in it no i would say that it's because that was the prevailing dominant 32:21.730 --> 32:27.690 worldview at the time when those scriptures were written the spinning globe heliocentric model 32:27.690 --> 32:32.170 wasn't in any of those scriptures because it wasn't it wasn't a prevailing worldview 32:32.170 --> 32:39.470 the geocentric flat earth was so um i kind of see it the opposite there and i prefer people to 32:39.470 --> 32:47.990 leave religion and belief out of or at least to the side of this topic because flat earth is like 32:47.990 --> 32:54.110 it's one of the one things you can know in this lifetime it's empirical it's demonstrable 32:54.110 --> 33:00.090 it's scientific you can do experiments to prove it whereas various religions and the claims 33:00.090 --> 33:06.330 made by various scriptures those are not scientific or demonstrable or empirical 33:06.330 --> 33:12.350 in that way and when you mix the two in like their part and parcel of one the same 33:13.130 --> 33:20.550 people who are new to the subject will often just see you as a typical christian now even 33:21.210 --> 33:26.150 more off the walls than the than the globe-believing christians they're a flat earth christian 33:26.150 --> 33:33.510 so they'll just listen to you even less um so yeah i i like to try and keep religious 33:33.510 --> 33:38.770 subjects separate from i don't necessarily think flat earth and 33:38.770 --> 33:47.110 gnosticism or anything need to go together um but as a truth or as a researcher as someone 33:47.110 --> 33:52.490 that's interested in trying to get to the bottom of this reality those are subjects that 33:52.490 --> 33:57.570 certainly are going to you know you're going to come across at some time as cosmology and religion 33:58.250 --> 34:07.750 so yeah sure do you think it's a comfort thing that that uh what happens to a lot of these people 34:07.750 --> 34:15.070 where religion acts like a filtration system for the flat earth model to go through then 34:15.070 --> 34:20.790 like it it almost acts like a filtration system doesn't it and it's a comforting okay there 34:20.790 --> 34:26.910 is a benevolent god and he coincides with my flat earth belief so do you think it's a bit of a comfort 34:26.910 --> 34:34.550 thing i think all religion inevitably is a comfort thing because it's a confusing reality like i said 34:35.110 --> 34:42.670 nobody there's no ultimate playbook or god coming and showing us things uh that's objectively 34:42.670 --> 34:47.510 true some people think they hear voices or they think this book is god's book but it's not 34:47.510 --> 34:53.790 objectively so you can't objectively make everyone believe that god has appeared and said something 34:53.790 --> 35:00.210 or make everyone objectively believe that this book came from god he wrote it himself you can't 35:00.210 --> 35:06.830 it's that's a subjective thing um and i think religion and the answers that it gives to these 35:06.830 --> 35:12.410 really unanswerable questions we can't really know these answers to these metaphysical 35:12.410 --> 35:17.870 questions while we're in physical bodies in a physical world um but it does give you 35:18.510 --> 35:23.730 a feeling of security and safety it's like a blanket of beliefs that you can cover yourself 35:23.730 --> 35:29.650 with and no longer have to worry about all these questions and all these negative things that we're 35:29.650 --> 35:35.090 talking about too if you just have give yourself a dose of spiritual Stockholm syndrome and tell 35:35.090 --> 35:41.270 yourself that a holy loving god is going to whisk you away to heaven and all you have to do 35:41.270 --> 35:48.510 is thank him and believe in him um well that's another part is the belief that's the opposite 35:48.510 --> 35:56.530 of critical thinking and questioning so if you hinge your eternal afterlife in heaven on 35:56.530 --> 36:02.770 being unquestioning and non-critical it's quite a quite an easy way to get people to believe in 36:02.770 --> 36:11.450 your religion isn't it just the by virtue of questioning that religion just by virtue of 36:11.450 --> 36:17.130 having a critical thought you have to go through a whole existential crisis about whether or not 36:17.130 --> 36:22.690 god's going to accept you into heaven now because you're questioning him and everything 36:23.160 --> 36:29.210 now your belief comes into question do i believe hard enough and for me belief is just a weak 36:29.210 --> 36:36.590 epistemic function to base an eternity on and i really don't think god would do that to us i 36:36.590 --> 36:43.610 don't think he'd bestow us with critical thoughts and brains that can can analyze things and come 36:43.610 --> 36:49.990 to logical conclusions but then want us to disband that and instead use this other function 36:49.990 --> 36:57.090 called belief and just go go ahead with that and and only the few humans that disband their 36:57.090 --> 37:02.810 logic and and critical thinking and go only with blind belief will make it to his special 37:02.810 --> 37:09.630 heavenly place and everybody else will you know come back here or who knows what so uh yeah it's 37:09.630 --> 37:14.230 comforting to think that way it's comforting to think that god is benevolent and all loving and 37:14.230 --> 37:20.410 it's gonna whisk us away to heaven if we just believe hard enough but that has never resonated 37:20.410 --> 37:29.910 with me and i can't just make myself believe it and i don't think a god that is omnipotent omnipresent 37:29.910 --> 37:37.590 and omniscient would be fooled by my pretend belief in him i think he would see through 37:37.590 --> 37:44.310 the fact that i'm just a critical thinker and a questioner and i just can't do the the 37:44.310 --> 37:52.410 blind belief thing that seems to be required by religion nowadays right question three connection 37:52.410 --> 37:58.450 between Gnosticism and Flat Earth i can certainly speak from my own journey and say that the 37:58.450 --> 38:04.570 conclusions i have come to all lead to the fact that our earth realm is a prison created for 38:04.570 --> 38:10.930 the sole purpose of harvesting negative negative low vibrational energy also called 38:10.930 --> 38:15.890 loose energy that is factored back to the archons who then in turn recycle this energy 38:15.890 --> 38:21.710 back into the matrix to keep it continuously running let's get a few things straight we are not 38:21.710 --> 38:26.610 here to learn we are not here to grow we are not here to evolve we are not here to learn how 38:26.610 --> 38:32.290 to love that one infuriates me the most but hear it all the time okay common one i believe not 38:32.290 --> 38:37.770 a single salt at their core would choose to come into this reality where living organisms have to 38:37.770 --> 38:44.130 trample over and feed off other living organisms for their own survival we have either been tricked 38:44.130 --> 38:49.690 or co-est into coming here or if we chose to come here we were not given full disclosure as to what 38:49.690 --> 38:55.870 we are coming into from your own research have you found any connection or integration of this 38:55.870 --> 39:02.010 Gnostic viewpoint to the Flat Earth model whether it be through ancient records current 39:02.010 --> 39:11.810 research or means of meditation to me it also makes more sense that we were tricked or coerced 39:11.810 --> 39:19.310 into coming here than that we were given complete full disclosure about all the negatives and 39:19.310 --> 39:27.310 of physical incarnation as for a connection or integration of the Gnostic viewpoint with the 39:27.310 --> 39:33.750 Flat Earth model if earth is an extended level plane covered by a dome firmament which is what 39:33.750 --> 39:39.310 the early Gnostics and many others of the time period believed then the idea that we're 39:39.310 --> 39:46.590 entrapped in a physical prison becomes quite literal the the current model of infinite 39:46.590 --> 39:53.050 outer space and planets and trillions of other worlds sounds much more hopeful and free 39:53.710 --> 39:59.770 even like an infinite plane flat earth theory is similar allowing for infinite freedom and 39:59.770 --> 40:09.230 creativity within this physical realm but if we were confined within an inescapable dome 40:09.950 --> 40:17.070 the spiritual geography of that kind of situation should make you question why am I locked 40:17.070 --> 40:24.950 in this world of physical strife and suffering with no escape but death and quite likely escape 40:24.950 --> 40:32.250 isn't happening for most than either that's the message of Buddhism and Hinduism and like the 40:32.250 --> 40:39.010 Tibetan and Egyptian books of the dead and many near-death experiencers have found that they just 40:39.010 --> 40:48.010 get sent right back here and if you don't ascend if you don't have the correct intention or the correct 40:49.010 --> 40:54.710 consciousness at the time of death then you just get recycled and having to come back here 40:54.710 --> 41:05.030 anyway so in that sense a flat enclosed prison like earth in the physical realm does resonate 41:05.590 --> 41:12.550 in the spiritual realm if we are in some kind of reincarnation soul trick soul trap 41:12.550 --> 41:19.550 you know the we're physically trapped potentially and we're spiritually trapped potentially and I 41:19.550 --> 41:26.870 say potentially because we're going we're talking skeptically now at this point we haven't 41:26.870 --> 41:34.370 ventured to beyond Antarctica to touch a dome firmament or to know a hundred percent that 41:34.370 --> 41:41.190 we're enclosed there's certain things that we can into it that we very likely are enclosed 41:42.230 --> 41:49.910 you know just like the reverberations of thunder and the way the fixed stars are all fixed 41:49.910 --> 41:57.550 seemingly in this one unit that moves all at once it does seem and of course all these ancient 41:57.550 --> 42:04.050 cultures say that there's a solid vault of the sky does seem that that is a possibility that we 42:04.050 --> 42:12.050 could be trapped in here like that and then correlate that with like I said the message from 42:12.050 --> 42:17.170 Buddhism Hinduism Tibetan and Egyptian books of the dead and near-death experiencers 42:17.730 --> 42:26.230 basically saying that leaving this realm isn't as easy or it's not just going to happen on its own 42:27.010 --> 42:34.830 there's steps there's a process and it seems like very few actually escape so if that's what 42:34.830 --> 42:41.190 we're contending with it's a very different afterlife struggle than say what contemporary 42:41.190 --> 42:46.230 Christians think like I'm saying a lot of contemporary Christians just think I have to 42:46.230 --> 42:52.530 believe in Jesus hard enough and I'll make it to heaven well maybe if that's if that's what you 42:52.530 --> 42:58.210 know the afterlife holds for us but if it's actually more of a prison realm in this in this 42:58.210 --> 43:06.410 sense what near-death experiencers often say is that a being whether Jesus if you believe in 43:06.410 --> 43:12.730 Jesus or your great-grandfather if he was your most loved person somebody that you see as an 43:12.730 --> 43:19.150 authority figure shows up at death and then tries to get you to reincarnate to come back to this place 43:19.150 --> 43:26.090 in various ways if if you just think believe in Jesus and doing whatever he says is what's 43:26.090 --> 43:31.750 going to get you to heaven then it's as simple as an archon appearing like Jesus and telling you 43:31.750 --> 43:37.310 to step through this portal and then you can you know maybe coming right back into a womb 43:37.310 --> 43:47.050 or whatever the case may be but point being that if you're giving your critical faculty a way to 43:47.050 --> 43:52.530 an authority figure instead of using it yourself in your moment-to-moment reality to decide what 43:52.530 --> 44:00.490 you're going to do next you're so much more easily manipulated and I suggest people retain that 44:00.490 --> 44:08.230 faculty in the afterlife as well as this life the ability to think critically and analytically 44:08.860 --> 44:18.550 has shown me more truth than blindly believing and having faith in things belief and faith 44:19.080 --> 44:27.150 are the opposite of critical thought and I don't think it's an accident that 44:27.930 --> 44:38.550 certain religions require that of us you know what I mean? Sure, sure. By aferminan is that like a 44:38.550 --> 44:46.710 blanket that covers the the the flat earth model is that what we mean by afermin some sort of shield 44:46.710 --> 44:54.610 am I understanding that right? Yeah that's the word the bible uses for the enclosure for the 44:54.610 --> 45:01.230 covering and it seems to be usually portrayed in a dome shape but those are all things that I'm 45:01.230 --> 45:07.590 still wondering they're still up in the air for me I'm more an empirical type person so for me 45:07.590 --> 45:14.070 until I've touched the dome I'm not a hundred percent sure and until I've actually died or met 45:14.070 --> 45:19.970 my maker I can't really say anything a hundred percent about it I'm not confident about these 45:19.970 --> 45:25.910 things and I think everybody should take that stance because that's the realistic stance anything 45:25.910 --> 45:35.130 beyond that is going beyond the bounds of our actual attainable knowledge. Sure, sure and the 45:35.130 --> 45:42.210 concept of Yulda Bayoth and the Archons I know we can never know for sure but do you see them 45:42.210 --> 45:48.150 as actual physical bodies that exist outside of this realm or do you see that as a metaphor 45:48.150 --> 45:55.150 maybe for something else or do you see them or do you see Yulda Bayoth as like a conscious AI 45:55.930 --> 46:03.890 energy? How do you perceive that? Yeah I think about that as well in my mind when I'm thinking 46:03.890 --> 46:11.670 about these kind of concepts like I kind of waver between a disembodied consciousness a bunch 46:11.670 --> 46:17.770 of disembodied consciousnesses vying for things and creating things or sometimes I'll give them 46:18.590 --> 46:25.270 angelic or demonic shapes and imagine them that way I don't I do wonder about that like what 46:25.270 --> 46:33.930 you know like Sophia and they're given male and female aspects as well so I wonder what 46:33.930 --> 46:39.910 they actually mean when they're mythologizing these concepts are these actual beings and it's 46:39.910 --> 46:47.570 not supposed to be mythology or are these personified aspects of consciousness I tend to think 46:47.570 --> 46:52.930 usually more along those lines but it's pretty esoteric and difficult to grasp either way. 46:53.570 --> 47:00.570 Yeah, yeah I guess it's how you personally perceive it really isn't it as well but I'm 47:00.570 --> 47:07.290 glad you mentioned a little bit about there about rain carnating because that kind of 47:07.290 --> 47:15.150 does lead to my next question so question four the soul trap the common theme of the soul trap 47:15.150 --> 47:21.670 is that after we die we are led into a bright light by a loved one or someone who was close to you 47:21.670 --> 47:27.470 the result is that you are tricked into reincarnating back to earth without being given full disclosure 47:27.470 --> 47:33.930 of the consequences that come along with this choice however my personal research has led 47:33.930 --> 47:39.950 me to the conclusion that not all souls reincarnate back to our earth realm due to the following reasons 47:39.950 --> 47:46.190 a if every soul was reincarnated back to earth there would be a massive explosion in population you 47:46.190 --> 47:52.590 are talking billions upon billions of souls being reincarnated over and over again b some 47:52.590 --> 47:57.170 souls remain as earthbound spirits or become ghosts which can be detected in politicized 47:57.170 --> 48:02.510 cases or hauntings do you think it is possible that some souls reincarnate not necessarily 48:02.510 --> 48:08.210 back into our earth plane but beyond the flat earth ice wall where there may be other civilizations 48:08.210 --> 48:16.530 or even into other parallel universes slash dimensions or realities yeah there's some speculation 48:17.790 --> 48:25.710 totally I mean could the creation of souls and individuated conscious units be something as 48:25.710 --> 48:31.730 simple as putting together a new model on an assembly line at a factory or are there already 48:32.300 --> 48:38.170 a set number of souls pre-existing to choose from or can they just come into existence whenever 48:38.170 --> 48:46.010 they're out of stock and a new couple has sex on earth I would I would guess there's a huge surplus 48:46.010 --> 48:51.530 of souls somewhere or that they can be easily created because we've never heard of a time 48:51.530 --> 48:57.670 when all of humanity just stopped being able to get pregnant I would make for an interesting 48:57.670 --> 49:02.570 premise for a movie though the spirit world runs out of souls so nobody can get pregnant anymore 49:03.130 --> 49:08.990 no I don't I don't know I thought about that exact thing before whether there are a number of 49:08.990 --> 49:14.790 pre-existing souls that were already created or can they are they just like created on an assembly 49:14.790 --> 49:22.770 line at will it calls into question the very notion of what is a soul or what is 49:22.770 --> 49:34.030 individuated consciousness some people separate it into spirit soul and body and so that they 49:34.030 --> 49:40.150 make a difference between the spirit and the soul and some Gnostics I've even heard say that 49:40.150 --> 49:45.950 like the spirit would be the element that comes from the one true a noble God and that's where 49:45.950 --> 49:56.550 we get our rebelliousness that's where we get love that's where we get certain aspects that weren't 49:57.850 --> 50:02.590 given to us by the demiurge whereas they would say that the soul and the physical body and 50:02.590 --> 50:07.710 this whole physical world was created by the demiurge and the implant that we get 50:08.150 --> 50:17.130 in our consciousness from the demiurge is ego and ego self-centeredness and selfishness and 50:17.130 --> 50:23.730 whatever other trappings go along with the ego or what is meant by that and that gets back into 50:23.730 --> 50:29.090 that whole mythology thing it's like is this are these beings somewhere or are these aspects of 50:29.090 --> 50:35.710 consciousness could the demiurge just be another word for ego and a part of our consciousness 50:35.710 --> 50:45.650 that is negative and then the other like Sophia philosophy comes from this idea as Sophie is 50:45.650 --> 50:55.090 wisdom and philosophy is the love of wisdom so could that just be a metaphor so Sophie as 50:55.090 --> 51:02.490 wisdom is breaking off from the one ultimate consciousness but then without some other aspect 51:02.490 --> 51:06.790 needed maybe intelligence or I don't know something something else that wisdom needs 51:08.030 --> 51:15.010 it created and it had a what they say that this creation was a broken mirror image of the pluroma 51:15.010 --> 51:21.950 the pluroma being the heavenly realm that they came from and that would also explain how people 51:21.950 --> 51:28.070 will say like well this realm isn't all negative the nature is beautiful and there's love and 51:28.070 --> 51:35.030 and there's certain positive aspects here of course but that that could be a because 51:35.030 --> 51:41.930 those elements come from the one unknowable god those come from your spirit those versus 51:42.330 --> 51:49.250 the ego and your soul which may come from another aspects of this this created dimension 51:50.290 --> 51:55.510 sure sure I mean I always wonder sometimes that if the nostics in the cathars had this 51:55.510 --> 52:01.130 knowledge like if you're a nostic and you know this like why would you have children because 52:01.130 --> 52:05.810 you're just creating a vessel for the soul to come into like I know it's a bit of a weird thought 52:05.810 --> 52:10.410 I know but you just like stop having children because you'd want to well a lot a lot of them 52:10.410 --> 52:16.950 did I mean that was it was a thing that the cathars especially they were seen as 52:16.950 --> 52:22.870 anti-natalists and didn't have children and especially interesting that a sect that 52:22.870 --> 52:30.410 would essentially breed itself out you know the disbreed itself out of existence because 52:30.410 --> 52:40.110 they're not even having children that was the first group that the catholic crusade the inquisition 52:40.410 --> 52:48.410 sent to to disband was the cathars so like the the inquisition didn't start for muslims or 52:48.410 --> 52:55.170 or anything like that the very first people they used that on was this group of christians 52:55.170 --> 53:01.150 that believed differently than the predominant christians and their belief was this this 53:01.150 --> 53:07.430 anti-natalist belief that bringing new souls to this world was a bad thing and that we shouldn't 53:07.430 --> 53:15.450 do it and and that what they called the rex mundi was the leader of this world which is 53:15.450 --> 53:22.130 essentially satan and that we were supposed to detach from all material things similar to buddhism 53:22.130 --> 53:29.290 they preached detachment from the material world and even our physical bodies so that we would return 53:29.290 --> 53:36.190 to the spiritual plane and they say that it was our attachments and addictions and base 53:36.190 --> 53:42.730 desires that kept us coming back here and that's similar to buddhism as well so the 53:42.730 --> 53:50.490 recommendation for that line of thought you know if you believe that way if you think that way then 53:50.490 --> 54:00.710 the way to move on from here is to have non-attachment to physical things and to not desire things in 54:00.710 --> 54:07.450 the physical world and to just let it go basically and so that when death comes there's 54:07.450 --> 54:13.510 no bit of our consciousness that's trying to come back here or retain something here and we're just 54:13.510 --> 54:18.690 totally ready to go on to the next thing that's another possibility it's tough to like i said 54:18.690 --> 54:23.990 there's no curriculum so we don't know what answers to give on the multiple choice test 54:23.990 --> 54:28.210 when it comes time it's almost like oh a b or c i don't know well we'll try this one 54:29.690 --> 54:36.230 sure now there's a great answer none of the less okay question five fraudulent soul trap 54:36.230 --> 54:43.090 experts with nosticism and the soul trap concept gaining more traction over the last i'd say 54:43.090 --> 54:48.730 maybe two to three years especially there also seems to be more and more so-called experts in 54:48.730 --> 54:54.550 the field of this research as many mystics psychics out of body and near-death experiences 54:54.550 --> 54:59.610 claim that they have the answer as to how we escape the soul trap we have podcasters such 54:59.610 --> 55:04.650 as jeff marahoe interview such people now i have a real problem with some of what these people 55:04.650 --> 55:10.030 have to say for the following reasons one many of them claim that their way is the right way 55:10.570 --> 55:15.890 two there is no coherence between these people most of them will agree that we live in a simulation 55:16.390 --> 55:23.150 but the deeper it goes down the rabbit hole the more their opinions differ three to sum it up 55:23.150 --> 55:27.490 they can't all be right i've heard some of them say such things like we have come here to learn 55:27.490 --> 55:32.730 how to love which is an absolute lie in my opinion we have awareness of true love before we 55:32.730 --> 55:40.130 get here it is after we come here into this realm thanks to the indoctrination system we unlearn 55:40.130 --> 55:46.450 that version of love and replace it with the matrix's version of love especially with the 55:46.450 --> 55:50.510 jeff marahoe interviews if you listen to 50 of them you will be no better off compared to when 55:50.510 --> 55:55.910 you started now do you think this is a deliberate attempt to confuse disorientate and derailers 55:55.910 --> 56:01.630 by the archons and in your opinion what is the ultimate and most plausible answer as to how 56:01.630 --> 56:09.790 we escape the soul trap i've noticed that same thing with channelers out of body experiencers 56:09.790 --> 56:16.150 and other so-called experts on those kind of subjects it like i said it's essentially just 56:16.150 --> 56:22.110 anecdotal hearsay because the expert can never be physically tested or proved wrong 56:22.110 --> 56:27.510 about their assertions so how can we know if anyone living has actually found the 56:27.510 --> 56:34.190 correct answer to transcending the soul trap we can't but gnostics are so called because their 56:34.190 --> 56:39.750 belief was that through gnosis or spiritual knowledge that we would be able to ascend from here 56:40.950 --> 56:47.090 in spiritual Stockholm syndrome i have four chapters outlining what i found through my 56:47.090 --> 56:54.670 research and understanding to be keys to transcending the soul trap that being intention 56:55.630 --> 57:02.930 revoking soul contracts recapitulation and preparing our consciousness for death 57:02.930 --> 57:10.030 through practices like out of body experiences psychedelics lucid dreaming and meditation 57:10.820 --> 57:17.150 and again these are just ideas but it makes sense to me that the main thing that we would need 57:17.150 --> 57:23.990 to transcend this this world would be the intention to do so the intention not to 57:23.990 --> 57:30.050 come back here and that feeds into what i just said about detachment and non-desire 57:30.050 --> 57:37.690 so you can't have desire for material things in the physical world or be attached to certain 57:37.690 --> 57:44.990 people or places or things if your ultimate intention is to go to heaven or to go somewhere 57:44.990 --> 57:53.450 else to um to not come back here um so fixing that intention certainly would be paramount 57:54.110 --> 58:00.190 and then people talk about there being soul contracts i don't know if this is a thing or 58:00.190 --> 58:08.550 not but if we agreed to come here potentially and maybe we agreed to have our memory wiped 58:08.550 --> 58:13.250 because if we did reincarnate here if we have come back here many times 58:13.250 --> 58:18.190 i don't remember it most everybody else doesn't remember it except for a few people 58:18.690 --> 58:25.970 that have been scrutinized and there's been many many volumes of books written about them 58:25.970 --> 58:33.990 that do remember past lives and can show to painstaking degree that they remember details 58:33.990 --> 58:39.370 that have been confirmed by people still living so i do think reincarnation 58:39.830 --> 58:47.550 uh has been evidenced um over and over again just like dr ian stevensson for example has six 58:47.550 --> 58:55.050 volumes with like four thousand cases of reincarnation where he's traveled to these places and 58:55.670 --> 59:01.830 met with these children that remember aspects of their past life and he'll like go to their 59:01.830 --> 59:06.330 old village and they'll be able to direct them give them directions even though they've 59:06.330 --> 59:10.030 never traveled there and once they get there they're like oh i remember this place and oh 59:10.030 --> 59:15.290 that's the post office and then they'll find people and they know their nicknames and uh no 59:15.290 --> 59:19.650 stories and things that they there's no way they could ever know of these people they've 59:19.650 --> 59:25.850 never met and the the people that they meet believe them they're like oh my gosh you are 59:25.850 --> 59:31.210 my husband reincarnated there's so many stories like that it's a very interesting subject to 59:31.210 --> 59:37.090 look into but so if that is the case that we're reincarnated over and over again 59:37.750 --> 59:43.430 and you don't want to be and that is the message in buddhism and hinduism is that 59:44.210 --> 59:51.170 you should want to ascend from here we are reincarnated here as a failure the success 59:51.970 --> 59:55.530 what happens in a success is that you don't reincarnate here 59:56.250 --> 01:00:05.050 um so if we had a contract that okay i'll reincarnate and you can wipe my memory and 01:00:05.050 --> 01:00:10.230 then i have to start all over again i would say that you weren't given full disclosure 01:00:10.230 --> 01:00:17.550 as is necessary in contracts you weren't shown the complete scope of what physical suffering and 01:00:17.550 --> 01:00:23.870 multiple lifetimes would be like before signing such a contract so part of intention would be to 01:00:23.870 --> 01:00:30.730 revoke any of those contracts and even in our contract law not being given full disclosure 01:00:31.310 --> 01:00:35.830 is reason enough for termination and i would think it should be the same in the spiritual realm 01:00:35.830 --> 01:00:40.870 if we weren't given full disclosure about what we were signing up for well that contract 01:00:40.870 --> 01:00:47.610 should be null and void and we can hopefully maybe prepare our consciousness in those other 01:00:47.610 --> 01:00:53.010 ways i said like meditation lucid dreaming psychedelics or out-of-body experiences 01:00:53.010 --> 01:01:01.350 because these are ways that we can disassociate our consciousness from this physical realm 01:01:01.940 --> 01:01:07.530 so when you're in meditation it's just all about your consciousness you're not thinking 01:01:07.530 --> 01:01:11.550 anything you're not thinking anything at all and you're not doing anything in the physical realm 01:01:12.210 --> 01:01:18.530 likewise psychedelics they have this way of taking you out of the physical reality 01:01:18.530 --> 01:01:24.490 and bringing you to sometimes a whole different dimension like a spiritual world with 01:01:25.450 --> 01:01:32.750 elves and leprechauns and stuff similar to lucid dreaming which is being conscious 01:01:32.750 --> 01:01:39.890 while dreaming so i wonder if the after-death state might be something like that 01:01:40.590 --> 01:01:46.650 or out-of-body experience which is also similar it's a it's a dream-like state 01:01:46.650 --> 01:01:55.190 where your consciousness is separated from your physical body and you only have a certain level 01:01:55.190 --> 01:02:01.130 of control like when you're lucid dreaming you can control whatever thing you are actively 01:02:01.130 --> 01:02:06.490 thinking about because you know you're dreaming you're like okay i'm going to go for a swim now 01:02:06.490 --> 01:02:12.870 and then you're swimming but then suddenly maybe a waterfall appears and you're like i didn't 01:02:13.410 --> 01:02:19.090 mean for that to to happen and you might if you're conscious enough you can just get 01:02:19.090 --> 01:02:24.410 rid of the waterfall and make a nice calm river again but often what happens is you start to slowly 01:02:24.410 --> 01:02:28.750 fall into your dream consciousness and so instead of just getting rid of the waterfall 01:02:28.750 --> 01:02:33.910 you'll start swimming against the current to try not to get to the waterfall and so you'll 01:02:33.910 --> 01:02:39.710 slowly become the dream character again and lose the power of lucidity that you should 01:02:39.710 --> 01:02:43.890 have had and you originally had in your dream i always have these two problems i'll either 01:02:43.890 --> 01:02:49.030 battle either happen or my lucidity will increase to the point that i just wake up 01:02:49.030 --> 01:02:55.170 because i'm so aware of the fact that i'm just laying there dreaming that i can't really 01:02:55.170 --> 01:03:01.050 maintain the dream anymore i'm just kind of awake now so lucid dreaming has been interesting 01:03:01.050 --> 01:03:08.150 for me in that sense that it's very difficult to maintain balance of lucidity and not wake 01:03:08.150 --> 01:03:14.230 up completely or fall back into the dream so that i'm no longer actually lucid and then i just 01:03:14.230 --> 01:03:20.110 it just goes back into being a normal old dream like every old night so anyway i say all that just 01:03:20.110 --> 01:03:27.390 to say that potentially me practicing these kind of things doing these exercises with my 01:03:27.390 --> 01:03:34.490 consciousness and getting accustomed to how consciousness works outside of physical daily 01:03:34.490 --> 01:03:40.590 life is probably a good training ground for when we die and our physical consciousness 01:03:40.590 --> 01:03:45.010 is separated from our physical and our consciousness is separated from our physical body 01:03:46.450 --> 01:03:54.150 sure sure um have you noticed in these past life memories that like especially with children 01:03:54.150 --> 01:04:01.810 and what have you that they remember the past lives of of of that life but they don't remember 01:04:01.810 --> 01:04:11.090 what i cared in between the two lives like do you find that interesting that that okay we can remember 01:04:11.090 --> 01:04:19.150 the life but they don't remember in between that life and this life like the transition phase like 01:04:19.150 --> 01:04:24.530 i've not read any accounts of anyone who has any memory of that do you do you know of any 01:04:25.490 --> 01:04:30.990 anyone who's researched it to that degree or it's is does that just not exist yeah none of 01:04:30.990 --> 01:04:40.410 the ones i've read have gotten into that i've heard like Dolores Cannon and some hypnosis people 01:04:40.410 --> 01:04:46.410 they've supposedly hypnotized people back to the between life states and so you've got people 01:04:46.410 --> 01:04:53.150 under hypnosis giving accounts of what they say happened between lives but again that to me that's 01:04:53.150 --> 01:04:56.810 who knows what's going on there they could just you could be tapping into just their 01:04:56.810 --> 01:05:05.290 imagination and they're weaving a story as far as the reincarnation children who are 01:05:06.050 --> 01:05:11.990 they're able to scientifically verify these kind of things that's more voracious in my eyes but 01:05:11.990 --> 01:05:17.270 no i don't see them talking about the between life state nor do i see them talking about 01:05:17.850 --> 01:05:23.930 previous lifetimes before their last one so at most they're only ever able to remember 01:05:23.930 --> 01:05:30.290 their last incarnation which also speaks to the idea that there may be some kind of memory 01:05:30.290 --> 01:05:37.350 wipes that we're supposed to and it is probably successful for every other lifetime before that 01:05:37.350 --> 01:05:44.610 because they're not retaining memories of lifetime after lifetime though there are ideas in like 01:05:45.530 --> 01:05:52.630 hindu religion of the akashic records the idea that all experience and all of history 01:05:52.630 --> 01:05:59.670 everything that's ever happened all people is recorded somewhere and able to be re-experienced 01:05:59.670 --> 01:06:05.690 and relived kind of makes sense to me that if an intelligent being is going to design this 01:06:05.690 --> 01:06:11.330 entire place and throw people in here you might as well record the whole thing so that we can 01:06:11.330 --> 01:06:17.850 go back and look at it so that's that's a possibility as well i'm not sure though 01:06:18.490 --> 01:06:25.390 sure no i mean i when i reflect on my own life uh i turn vegan when i was 37 i'm 43 now 01:06:25.390 --> 01:06:33.010 and i i always sort of reflect on my own life and and think to myself if i chose to come here why 01:06:33.010 --> 01:06:39.230 would i choose to pay particular animals for food for say 36 or 37 years of my life why would i 01:06:39.230 --> 01:06:44.350 choose that because you hear people say you chose to come here it was your choice to come 01:06:44.350 --> 01:06:49.030 here well if someone gave me an offer and says you get to go to earth you get to experience all 01:06:49.030 --> 01:06:55.130 this entertainment all these wonderful things nature and family but you here's the cake well 01:06:55.130 --> 01:07:00.450 you have to pay to kill animals for food for so many years of your life do you want in i'd be 01:07:00.450 --> 01:07:07.250 like get out of here i'm not going there why would i choose that i'd be like well hang on 01:07:07.250 --> 01:07:12.850 them in it you know i'm not contributing to that so you know i this is the thing i 01:07:12.850 --> 01:07:16.990 always say people at their core i can't understand how anyone would choose 01:07:16.990 --> 01:07:21.630 unless they've been tricked as what you said earlier i i would agree with you and say it's 01:07:21.630 --> 01:07:31.270 more trickery as well yeah no um tony sears i think uh coined the soul trick versus the 01:07:31.270 --> 01:07:37.010 soul trap a lot of people don't care for the idea of being trapped and that terminology 01:07:37.630 --> 01:07:42.790 personally i don't care what you call it it's the the concept is what matters but yeah 01:07:43.290 --> 01:07:48.550 that were tricked into being come here does kind of seem likely as well because in near death 01:07:48.550 --> 01:07:53.550 experiences like i said the the beings of light or whatever just seemed to be telling us what we 01:07:53.550 --> 01:07:58.530 want to hear is to get us to come back here so it's more of a trick but there may be an 01:07:58.530 --> 01:08:05.570 element of it that is a trap or a prison in the sense of uh some people they 01:08:06.510 --> 01:08:10.170 they're trying to be coerced into coming back and they don't want to come back and they're 01:08:10.170 --> 01:08:15.830 quite adamant and then eventually they just are forced back so there are cases like that most 01:08:15.830 --> 01:08:19.750 people it's simple to just coerce them into coming back here tell them you've got a mission 01:08:19.750 --> 01:08:24.670 that isn't complete yet on this life you've got children what would it be like if they don't 01:08:24.670 --> 01:08:29.110 have mommy or daddy and that's enough for people to be sent right back in the near death 01:08:29.110 --> 01:08:34.790 experiences but a few people don't want to and they rage against it and they find themselves 01:08:34.790 --> 01:08:42.430 back here anyway and so it's a possibility that potentially we are forced back here if we can't 01:08:42.430 --> 01:08:49.470 be coerced back here and it could be a much more of a fight to get out than even i recognize if 01:08:49.470 --> 01:08:55.490 that's the case i don't even know how it would be if there's powerful spiritual beings that first 01:08:55.490 --> 01:09:00.930 try to coerce us into coming back but then if they can't do that they use their power to 01:09:00.930 --> 01:09:08.570 force us into coming back then it would seem like we need to get on our spiritual training 01:09:08.570 --> 01:09:15.810 ground right away after we die start lifting spiritual weights and hope that we can take them on 01:09:15.810 --> 01:09:24.490 if that's the case for sure that's a scary thought okay all right so moving on to question six 01:09:25.610 --> 01:09:33.110 okay an archonic plan gone wrong one question that regularly pops up is why would they spend 01:09:33.110 --> 01:09:37.910 thousands of years and work so hard to achieve this goal of the new world order if you'll debate 01:09:37.910 --> 01:09:42.710 off and his archons are going to create a slave matrix reality why not create it how they 01:09:42.710 --> 01:09:47.270 want from the get go rather than creating it half-ass and then work so damn hard to manipulate 01:09:47.270 --> 01:09:53.350 it to how they want it to an end goal now my own theory is that it was originally intended 01:09:53.350 --> 01:09:58.450 to be a new world order slave reality from the beginning but it's possible that something 01:09:58.450 --> 01:10:04.730 went wrong in the creation process or some alternate energy intervened causing mass disruption 01:10:04.730 --> 01:10:10.570 resulting in a stone age version of the matrix causing them to be in a situation where they 01:10:10.570 --> 01:10:16.970 are having to work extremely hard to achieve a peak goal in the movie the matrix agent smith 01:10:16.970 --> 01:10:22.670 says that the original matrix was designed so that everyone would be happy but the system 01:10:22.670 --> 01:10:27.970 wouldn't work but if it was created this way then no one would have any reason to question reality 01:10:27.970 --> 01:10:36.470 what is your answer to this i always think of that exact scene in the matrix with reference to this 01:10:36.470 --> 01:10:42.790 idea but i always think of it in the opposite of how he says it because people will always have 01:10:42.790 --> 01:10:49.210 the same objection when you discuss the abundant inherent and ultimately unnecessary negatives 01:10:49.210 --> 01:10:54.390 present in this reality they'll talk about the beauty of nature and sunsets and flowers and 01:10:54.390 --> 01:10:59.990 puppies and bunnies and insist that this can't be a hellish prison realm because it's not 100 01:10:59.990 --> 01:11:06.470 percent negative and if they tried to create a lush farm that was nothing but fire brimstone 01:11:06.470 --> 01:11:12.910 torture and suffering 24 7 everyone would achieve gnosis and know to escape instinctively 01:11:13.730 --> 01:11:18.830 right but so by incorporating just enough positive elements into our experience here 01:11:18.830 --> 01:11:24.610 it becomes easy to fool the vast majority you know just the fact that nature is beautiful 01:11:25.150 --> 01:11:30.970 and we have love in our hearts for example is enough for people to think that this creation must 01:11:30.970 --> 01:11:36.590 be that of a benevolent and holy loving creator but that doesn't take into account like i said 01:11:36.590 --> 01:11:43.890 that we could be like the the agnostic version says that our consciousness comes from the one 01:11:43.890 --> 01:11:48.850 true unknowable god so the love that we feel in our hearts does come from that good place 01:11:49.790 --> 01:11:58.930 and the that this realm was a broken mirror image of the pluroma of heaven so heaven all the 01:11:58.930 --> 01:12:03.710 all the good things that you might see here could be part of that broken mirror image 01:12:04.210 --> 01:12:12.330 and the negative things have been added into it so that could explain the existence of all the 01:12:12.330 --> 01:12:19.350 positive things here and like is it similar to that matrix quote if everything was just negative 01:12:19.870 --> 01:12:26.310 100 all the time and every it was obvious to everyone i don't know that the idea of a lush 01:12:26.310 --> 01:12:32.230 farm or as the agnostic gospel say extracting our light energy i don't know that they'd be able 01:12:32.230 --> 01:12:39.770 to extract our light energy if we knew that we were just in a suffering torture realm 24 7 so it 01:12:39.770 --> 01:12:48.610 helps the system to have a veneer of positivity and goodness so that it fools the majority of 01:12:48.610 --> 01:12:55.470 people especially if you wanted to reincarnate and actually want to come back here but ultimately 01:12:55.470 --> 01:13:03.550 like i said pain is more painful than pleasure is pleasurable so this idea that this is 01:13:04.690 --> 01:13:10.730 some benevolent loving creation just falls to pieces with that and the food chain the fact 01:13:10.730 --> 01:13:15.790 that everything needs to eat the life out of everything else just to stay alive everything 01:13:15.790 --> 01:13:23.370 it becomes a psychopathic domain you know we could just be given natural nutrients 01:13:24.770 --> 01:13:30.730 or we could you know there's a bunch of ways that we could survive without the way that it's 01:13:30.730 --> 01:13:36.830 set up here but it's purposely been set up in this way so that we have to kill each other 01:13:37.350 --> 01:13:46.010 and eat the life we can't even kill each other and stock stock it up we have to kill we have to 01:13:46.010 --> 01:13:53.230 ingest recently deceased life energy right so we have to keep killing things all the time 01:13:53.870 --> 01:13:59.910 and eat the life energy that we just killed so that we can stay alive in this realm how on 01:13:59.910 --> 01:14:05.350 earth is that the setup of a holy loving and benevolent creator it sounds like the setup 01:14:05.350 --> 01:14:11.330 of the exact opposite and the veneer of positivity and beauty that nature has 01:14:11.330 --> 01:14:19.150 is just that and nature isn't even that beautiful if you are stuck alone not in society in modern 01:14:19.150 --> 01:14:24.910 society with people around you the state of nature is quite brutal you would likely be 01:14:24.910 --> 01:14:31.410 starving you'd be suffering through the elements rain and everything the mosquitoes 01:14:32.350 --> 01:14:36.130 and eventually you'd probably just get eaten by a bear one night when you're trying to sleep 01:14:36.130 --> 01:14:40.590 there's something like that I mean that that's the state of nature or you starve to death 01:14:41.390 --> 01:14:46.630 because it's very difficult to find enough food or to grow yourself enough food in various 01:14:46.630 --> 01:14:53.250 climates the state of nature is not all beauty there's quite a bit of you know 01:14:53.250 --> 01:15:01.470 negativity and suffering inherent in that picturesque landscape that people like to 01:15:02.130 --> 01:15:08.830 kind of have a rosy rosy view of yeah I remember when I was younger and me and my 01:15:08.830 --> 01:15:14.990 brother were playing in the garden and we caught a spider catching a fly in its web 01:15:14.990 --> 01:15:20.990 and the spider was wrapping its web around the fly and I said to my brother gosh we've 01:15:20.990 --> 01:15:26.050 got to save the fly because otherwise it's going to die and get eaten and my brother said no stop 01:15:26.050 --> 01:15:32.930 if you save the fly the spider will die and even then I got I was really confused as a child I'm like 01:15:32.930 --> 01:15:38.550 okay hang on a minute okay so if I save the fly the spider dies because the spider doesn't eat 01:15:39.050 --> 01:15:47.410 if we save if we if we do it the opposite way around then then the other insect dies so 01:15:47.410 --> 01:15:54.370 and even then I was like I'm confused to what this reality is like what kind of conscious mindset 01:15:54.370 --> 01:16:01.770 would create a reality where one it's it's it's it's it's as you just pointed out it's not even 01:16:01.770 --> 01:16:12.350 peacefully it's it's literally like in style isn't it well said question seven follow up to question 01:16:12.350 --> 01:16:19.190 six I think one of the reasons or maybe the main reason that the original matrix was not designed 01:16:19.190 --> 01:16:25.430 so that everyone would be happy is because the system feeds on polarities as well as loose energy 01:16:25.430 --> 01:16:31.230 if you take a step back and observe the many polarities of our world you'll see it is rampant 01:16:31.230 --> 01:16:38.490 in this respect just to name a few examples we have rich poor beauty ugly life death pleasure 01:16:38.490 --> 01:16:44.850 pain short tall dry wet the list goes on and I think the countless polarities also strengthen 01:16:44.850 --> 01:16:50.590 the matrix because a realm that has two points to oscillate between is a vibrating reality 01:16:51.130 --> 01:16:57.130 oneness does not vibrate it just is and our world is a vibrating one ranging from the heart beating 01:16:57.130 --> 01:17:02.890 right through to the night turning into day and vice versa do you think achieving a sense of 01:17:02.890 --> 01:17:08.110 stillness and detachment from the vibrating physical world could possibly be the answer to 01:17:08.110 --> 01:17:15.530 escaping the soul trap and returning to the one the infinite right yeah that was I did mention that 01:17:15.530 --> 01:17:22.950 earlier you did you already answered that question I mean we can skip that one if you want to you 01:17:22.950 --> 01:17:29.690 did kind of say anything else to add to that one anyway right so I do think achieving a sense of 01:17:29.690 --> 01:17:37.570 stillness and detachment in the form of meditation and stoicism or Buddhism are helpful 01:17:38.110 --> 01:17:45.730 but I'm weary of any concept of returning to the one the infinite sounds a bit 01:17:45.730 --> 01:17:51.690 more to my liking the infinite is meaning that there could be an infinite amount of 01:17:51.690 --> 01:18:00.110 individuated consciousnesses when people talk of the one though I worry and wonder about 01:18:00.850 --> 01:18:07.350 is that another form of deception in a sense or is that actually what I would want 01:18:07.350 --> 01:18:16.130 in the sense of if there is one originating consciousness and I am a individuated aspect of 01:18:16.130 --> 01:18:25.370 that one well currently anyway I I enjoy being me and my individuated aspect of the one consciousness 01:18:25.890 --> 01:18:34.230 and the idea of just dissolving myself to go back to the one maybe eventually I might think 01:18:34.230 --> 01:18:39.550 that that's a good idea but currently that doesn't sound like something I would like to do and what I 01:18:39.550 --> 01:18:46.130 would like to do if possible is maintain my autonomy and my individuated consciousness 01:18:46.730 --> 01:18:51.890 and what I would hope and love to happen is something similar to the movie what dreams 01:18:51.890 --> 01:18:58.490 may come with Robin Williams where in the afterlife realm everybody is just kind of 01:18:58.490 --> 01:19:07.430 a co-creator of infinite dream spaces and so you can create your own realms and dimensions and 01:19:07.430 --> 01:19:13.870 worlds and invite other people to come in and co-create with you if you don't like it you can 01:19:13.870 --> 01:19:21.250 go somewhere else and you know it's very free and everybody was powerful and had autonomy 01:19:21.250 --> 01:19:28.590 and agency in the afterlife and was creators themselves instead of just being created beings 01:19:28.590 --> 01:19:34.530 I have this real issue with being a lowly created being and not knowing my creator or having any 01:19:35.250 --> 01:19:41.770 knowledge of the creation itself and being able to reverse and go back and see how that all 01:19:41.770 --> 01:19:50.870 happened and understand it I feel like inherently we should all be creators ourselves in that 01:19:50.870 --> 01:19:55.850 sense and that we should have the ability to create our own worlds and then there's nobody 01:19:56.390 --> 01:20:01.650 responsible but us then I wouldn't have any beef with any entity that I don't know about 01:20:01.650 --> 01:20:07.250 the whole beef would be with me and some people say that that could be what is going on is that 01:20:07.250 --> 01:20:15.210 in essence you are God and the whole soul trap is you tricking yourself into believing 01:20:15.850 --> 01:20:21.890 you're an individuated consciousness when in reality you are ultimately just part of the one 01:20:21.890 --> 01:20:27.450 and that does make sense to me I mean you know ultimately we must come from some originating 01:20:27.450 --> 01:20:35.190 point or potentially like you said an infinity which to me actually sounds even more appealing 01:20:35.190 --> 01:20:47.990 because infinity is open-ended and free whereas oneness oneness is enclosed it's solid it's 01:20:47.990 --> 01:20:54.450 already done with doesn't seem as freeing to me it seems like it could be a dominating 01:20:54.450 --> 01:21:00.210 aspect I don't necessarily want to be one with the one if the one doesn't agree with everything 01:21:00.210 --> 01:21:06.710 I agree with and I doubt he does otherwise there'd be no reason to have individuated consciousness 01:21:07.610 --> 01:21:13.550 so I'm happy with my personalized individuated consciousness for now and don't really want to 01:21:13.550 --> 01:21:19.910 go back to the one unless I can be you know persuaded in some some way that is beyond my 01:21:19.910 --> 01:21:25.650 knowledge at the moment sure no I find that very interesting that's that's really good 01:21:26.170 --> 01:21:36.110 um okay question eight why the lie disorientation perhaps since we are on a still earth possibly 01:21:36.110 --> 01:21:41.890 a fragment you did mention this earlier you know I'll read out the question anyway just 01:21:41.890 --> 01:21:46.330 in case you've got anything additional to add but possibly a fragment got detached from the 01:21:46.330 --> 01:21:51.610 original I was going to say one but let's let's call it infinite okay all right we'll use 01:21:51.610 --> 01:21:57.030 a word anyway the original infinite the original infinite reality got converted to serve the 01:21:57.030 --> 01:22:02.730 archonic matrix system do you think the intention to make people believe we are on a spinning ball 01:22:02.730 --> 01:22:10.110 is an attempt to keep us disorientated and ungrounded from our foundation because if you 01:22:10.110 --> 01:22:16.550 think about it if we believe we are on a still earth we can achieve a sense of stillness and 01:22:16.550 --> 01:22:24.610 calmness which in itself can possibly be a path to going back to the infinite maybe this indoctrination 01:22:24.610 --> 01:22:30.690 of making us believe we are on a spinning ball whilst has many facets as to the reasons why 01:22:30.690 --> 01:22:36.230 it's been imposed upon us definitely puts us in a state of disorientation constant movement 01:22:36.230 --> 01:22:41.830 and unbalance flat earthers who are advocates of their loving god concept will say they are 01:22:41.830 --> 01:22:46.090 trying to hide god but we've covered that ground so we won't go there but um do you have 01:22:46.090 --> 01:22:54.550 anything to add to that yeah like the spinning globe and the whole heliocentric model going four 01:22:54.550 --> 01:23:02.290 different motions simultaneously in different directions keeps us in constant upheaval always 01:23:02.290 --> 01:23:08.490 on the go never still and it's incredibly disorientating to make people believe such 01:23:08.490 --> 01:23:14.570 things totally contrary to their senses because none of that is happening as far as we can tell 01:23:14.570 --> 01:23:20.770 as far as we can tell we're motionless and everything in the sky is revolving over and around us 01:23:21.310 --> 01:23:26.610 and so making their basic they're making us senseless and replacing our common sense 01:23:26.610 --> 01:23:33.810 everyday lived experience of the world with hearsay from assumed authorities and that is such a huge 01:23:33.810 --> 01:23:39.650 and impactful power play but people act like it doesn't even matter they say what does it 01:23:39.650 --> 01:23:48.130 matter if the earth's what well it matters because you have now chosen to believe argument from authority 01:23:48.820 --> 01:23:55.750 over your own senses and lived experience of the world how how much more impactful could 01:23:55.750 --> 01:24:01.470 anything be you've become a senseless being that no longer believes your own lived experience of 01:24:01.470 --> 01:24:07.110 the world because neil de grass tyson told you that you're spinning around and you know 01:24:07.110 --> 01:24:11.630 you're going around the sun and the moon's going around us and all this stuff and because 01:24:12.410 --> 01:24:18.430 you have to just believe it because it's nowhere apparent you can't prove any of these things 01:24:18.430 --> 01:24:23.510 that they're telling you it's all based on argument from authority and hearsay from 01:24:23.510 --> 01:24:29.190 supposed astronauts and stuff like this or just excuses that they've programmed into us 01:24:29.190 --> 01:24:34.790 since our third grade textbooks about sticks and shadows or you know why you don't fall 01:24:34.790 --> 01:24:39.230 off the bottom of a ball because there's a magical force that sucks you into it and 01:24:39.230 --> 01:24:46.170 all these little things that when you tell somebody them at such a young age when they're 01:24:46.170 --> 01:24:52.010 questioning the world and then you shut down that natural state of questioning with all these 01:24:52.010 --> 01:24:57.890 excuses then if later on in adulthood you hear somebody else asking those same 01:24:57.890 --> 01:25:04.670 childish questions that you had shut down earlier psychologically you tend to do the same thing 01:25:04.670 --> 01:25:10.590 you'll you'll revert back to that time and you'll project on to your own young self 01:25:10.590 --> 01:25:16.670 like that teacher and you'll start spouting all those excuses and shutting down this naive 01:25:16.670 --> 01:25:22.470 adult flat earth or trying to give you a new worldview with all your old excuses that you 01:25:22.470 --> 01:25:31.310 learned in in grade school because again we've been made senseless we've been made to not even 01:25:31.990 --> 01:25:39.610 agree with our own experience we feel motionless 24 seven our entire life we've never felt 01:25:39.610 --> 01:25:44.130 the slightest bit of motion yet apparently we're spinning like a thousand miles per hour 01:25:44.130 --> 01:25:50.510 on the world's axis you see the stars the sun and moon revolving over and around 01:25:50.510 --> 01:25:57.730 I mean everybody nobody experiences the earth revolving backwards away from so a sunset 01:25:57.730 --> 01:26:04.630 isn't really the sunsetting it's the earth revolving backwards nobody experiences that 01:26:05.210 --> 01:26:12.150 but we somehow believe that over time because we were taught it as children and all the other 01:26:12.150 --> 01:26:17.870 adults around you were taught it as children and now they believe it so to break out of that 01:26:17.870 --> 01:26:25.990 mold and start questioning these things that are supposedly consensus and set in stone we've 01:26:25.990 --> 01:26:33.190 we've known them for thousands of years blah blah blah makes you the absolute crazy and childish one 01:26:33.190 --> 01:26:41.890 that nobody wants to even engage with because but well ultimately if you are convincing enough 01:26:41.890 --> 01:26:46.970 and convince them to become a flat earth or well now they're the childish crazy one 01:26:46.970 --> 01:26:55.030 that can no longer be invited to family meetings or whatever you know so people don't want to 01:26:55.030 --> 01:26:59.930 they don't want it to be true you flat earth people think that flat earth is a grift that's 01:26:59.930 --> 01:27:03.670 what I hear all the time you're a grifter you're trying to make money off of people 01:27:03.670 --> 01:27:09.730 with the flat earth really you think that I came up with the least popular belief 01:27:10.250 --> 01:27:16.270 in ever that nobody wants to hear and I'm just doing it so I can make a lot of money like there's 01:27:16.270 --> 01:27:23.270 a lot of money in telling people stuff that nobody even wants to listen to now it's obviously 01:27:23.270 --> 01:27:29.650 the opposite if you think about it NASA alone there's government space agencies in like 12 or 01:27:29.650 --> 01:27:37.550 13 countries now NASA makes 70 million dollars a day from taxpayer money that they're forced 01:27:37.550 --> 01:27:43.530 to pay because it's a government agency it's the same with China and India and everywhere else that 01:27:43.530 --> 01:27:51.510 has a state government sponsored space agency it's funded by the tax money of the population 01:27:51.510 --> 01:27:59.070 that they're forced to pay them so talk about a grift space the globe heliocentrism that's the 01:27:59.070 --> 01:28:05.770 grift but people are so bought into the grift that when a truth teller comes along and tells 01:28:05.770 --> 01:28:11.290 them the opposite they're convinced that that's what the grift is even though it makes absolutely no 01:28:11.290 --> 01:28:16.930 sense nobody believes it there's no money in it the money is in what everyone already believes 01:28:16.930 --> 01:28:22.530 and it's forced money you don't even get the choice to pay for space exploration you're forced to 01:28:22.530 --> 01:28:30.250 pay for it wow yeah and you know for the amount of years that I've been into conspiracy research 01:28:30.250 --> 01:28:35.410 as I said my position on flat earth before was okay look I'm open to the possibility if it's 01:28:35.410 --> 01:28:40.170 flat if it isn't it isn't and the same attitude as most people are look I've still got to go to 01:28:40.170 --> 01:28:45.670 work on Monday so what difference does it make to me but as soon as I became a flat earth I 01:28:46.210 --> 01:28:51.970 realized personally I felt different so I thought hang on a minute there is something more to this 01:28:51.970 --> 01:28:56.550 and and I'm wondering like you know the cult that controls the planet they know how our bodies 01:28:56.550 --> 01:29:03.930 work your belief systems control your DNA and your genes so if your beliefs your your your 01:29:03.930 --> 01:29:08.550 genes and your and your and your body responds to your beliefs so if you believe in that you're on 01:29:08.550 --> 01:29:14.490 a spinning round spherical ball then that communicates to your DNA and and I think it 01:29:14.490 --> 01:29:20.490 causes that inner conflict with your body as well because your senses are in conflict with what 01:29:20.490 --> 01:29:24.750 what your beliefs are which then goes out to all your DNA which is which is then telling you 01:29:24.750 --> 01:29:31.230 well hang on a minute I don't experience this so there could be that element in it as well oh 01:29:31.230 --> 01:29:40.090 yeah and the non-spiritual there's the element of atheism also in it of course where they have this 01:29:40.090 --> 01:29:45.410 big bang that creates everything out of nothing so you no longer need to have a god or any kind of 01:29:45.410 --> 01:29:50.730 intelligent purposeful creation it's just purposeless and unintelligence and everything 01:29:50.730 --> 01:29:58.610 just explodes for no reason and in their model not only does the big bang happen but the big 01:29:58.610 --> 01:30:05.070 crunch happens and the the sun eventually will explode and the earth will eventually 01:30:05.070 --> 01:30:12.010 die and so and there's meteors and stuff that are going to crash into us and so there's constant 01:30:12.530 --> 01:30:19.750 dangers present in their model that must be felt in our DNA they must be felt deep within us when 01:30:19.750 --> 01:30:26.570 you believe that you were created by nothing for no reason and then one day the sun's just 01:30:26.570 --> 01:30:33.510 going to explode and all human ingenuity and achievements and for not that philosophical 01:30:33.510 --> 01:30:40.570 worldview is completely nihilistic and that's what they're pumping into us with this cosmology 01:30:40.570 --> 01:30:46.170 is that nihilistic worldview and everything that goes along with it like hedonism and selfishness 01:30:46.170 --> 01:30:51.970 and materialism which is the very type of world that they've created around us to 01:30:51.970 --> 01:31:01.130 enjoy you know if you can do so and if you are on the flat earth if you get off that spinning 01:31:01.130 --> 01:31:08.070 globe atheistic nonsense well suddenly yeah you realize that this is a intelligently created 01:31:08.070 --> 01:31:16.210 designed place there is purpose you are still as well you're not off kilter and off your 01:31:16.210 --> 01:31:19.410 footing all the time thinking you're spinning around thousands of miles per hour you know 01:31:19.410 --> 01:31:24.450 that you're just sitting there just like everything's just like it appears you know it brings back 01:31:24.450 --> 01:31:31.750 your own personal power to just people that trust your senses people i mean i don't know 01:31:31.750 --> 01:31:36.050 how many percentage of people walking around they don't even trust their senses they trust 01:31:36.050 --> 01:31:40.470 their senses to cross the street and to sit on the chair and not fall off it and everything 01:31:40.470 --> 01:31:45.870 but when it comes to the biggest things that our senses perceive they think the exact opposite 01:31:45.870 --> 01:31:53.070 oh no no the the sun the moon they're not exactly the same size the sun is 400 times bigger than the 01:31:53.070 --> 01:31:59.630 moon don't you see it uh no well that's because it's also 400 times farther away and so they just 01:31:59.630 --> 01:32:05.550 seem to look exactly the same size from your faulty perspective says my friend who's never 01:32:05.550 --> 01:32:12.310 been to the moon or the sun he's just believing neil degrasse tyson who gave him this explanation 01:32:12.310 --> 01:32:18.730 for why his senses are wrong and then he's telling me your senses are wrong eric don't you they're just 01:32:18.730 --> 01:32:24.770 with the wrong just like my senses the the astronomers told me so well believing your 01:32:24.770 --> 01:32:31.190 senses might not be as crazy as they want you to think it is and uh that's the main message 01:32:31.190 --> 01:32:36.090 of the flat earth and once you do start believing your senses you see that yeah you are motionless 01:32:36.090 --> 01:32:41.530 yeah everything is revolving over and around us and this idea that a godless big bang created 01:32:41.530 --> 01:32:47.810 everything and then a big crunch one day is just gonna dissolve everything randomly for no reason 01:32:48.410 --> 01:32:52.290 well that doesn't make much sense but then you get new metaphysical questions which are the 01:32:52.290 --> 01:32:58.970 ones we're talking about which is that intelligent purposeful creator what is his true nature 01:32:58.970 --> 01:33:05.890 and what is his purpose for this earth and that that is quite a question 01:33:06.670 --> 01:33:14.750 sure no absolutely brilliant great answers um okay question nine again you did touch on this earlier 01:33:14.750 --> 01:33:22.610 but uh okay detachment fragment or created from ground up the creation of this reality is definitely 01:33:22.610 --> 01:33:28.770 a hot topic of debate according to the Gnostic scriptures if i'm not mistaken i'm not claiming 01:33:28.770 --> 01:33:33.590 to be an expert in this it's just what i've sort of picked up here and there but um that uh 01:33:33.590 --> 01:33:39.770 according to the Gnostic scriptures our reality was created as a fake copy of the original matrix 01:33:40.410 --> 01:33:45.970 i personally think there are either of two possibilities here one our reality was created 01:33:45.970 --> 01:33:53.350 from ground up to mimic the original matrix but with its own encoding or two a fragment 01:33:53.350 --> 01:33:58.710 was taken from the original matrix and that piece was decoded to suit the agenda of 01:33:58.710 --> 01:34:04.170 yulder baoth and his harkons to enslave the living organisms that would inhabit it this would 01:34:04.170 --> 01:34:09.530 certainly explain the glimpse of good and high vibrational energy that is experienced in this 01:34:09.530 --> 01:34:15.990 reality because we have been detached from the ultimate true source uh i've got one written 01:34:15.990 --> 01:34:19.290 all of these questions i'm going to replace them all with the infinite so the infinite 01:34:19.290 --> 01:34:25.950 but some of its characteristics and attributes are still here which of the two possibilities 01:34:25.950 --> 01:34:29.490 are you in favor of or do you have a third explanation for this 01:34:32.190 --> 01:34:40.450 the robert menroh luci farm idea sounds a lot like number one and the gnostic view is more like 01:34:40.450 --> 01:34:48.330 number two and i personally don't have an inkling either way but i do have these serious questions 01:34:48.330 --> 01:34:55.210 like i was saying about if this is the only reality available and why we've incarnated here 01:34:55.950 --> 01:35:01.690 is this the only place in all of the universe in all dimensions and all existence 01:35:02.390 --> 01:35:08.570 or are there other places besides here are some of those places better and if so 01:35:09.150 --> 01:35:15.730 why would we willingly choose to come here instead i find it an insult to my intuition 01:35:15.730 --> 01:35:21.290 to assume that this place is the best place in all of this all of existence or the best 01:35:21.290 --> 01:35:27.570 possible place that god could create and that there's nowhere better than this nowhere we're 01:35:27.570 --> 01:35:34.830 suffering sickness death disease natural disasters and a perpetual food chain of life 01:35:34.830 --> 01:35:40.930 eating itself doesn't exist nope couldn't create that this is the best i could do like 01:35:40.930 --> 01:35:45.610 that just doesn't make any sense to me so what does make sense is that there is something 01:35:45.610 --> 01:35:53.730 better you know a heaven or at the very least the ability for me to be a creator or a co-creator 01:35:53.730 --> 01:35:59.010 of my own experience that's what i hope for that's what makes sense to me it just doesn't even make 01:35:59.010 --> 01:36:05.710 sense to me that there could be god there can be an entity intelligent and powerful enough to 01:36:05.710 --> 01:36:11.150 create this entire reality and all these experiences but not be able to create it any better than 01:36:11.150 --> 01:36:17.470 this or without all of these negative caveats that seem quite unnecessary if you were a powerful 01:36:17.470 --> 01:36:25.370 creator come on you are the only entity with agency and everything you create you are responsible 01:36:25.370 --> 01:36:30.270 for it you can't pass it off onto satan or the humans you created and be like it's your fault 01:36:30.790 --> 01:36:39.270 but that's that's what people seem to to buy nowadays oh sure wow yeah now i absolutely agree 01:36:39.270 --> 01:36:48.330 with you on that one okay question 10 the casino effect now you did talk about this earlier but 01:36:48.330 --> 01:36:53.610 it's just to expand on this area a little bit more so one of the counter arguments to the 01:36:53.610 --> 01:36:59.850 gnostic vision of our reality is often expressed by people who will state the following it's 01:36:59.850 --> 01:37:04.490 not all that bad nature is beautiful i like it here yes i go through sadness at times 01:37:04.490 --> 01:37:10.030 but generally i'm happy to be alive and love my family i'm living the life of my dreams and 01:37:10.030 --> 01:37:14.990 i am grateful for what i have life is precious you should live every day as if it were your last 01:37:14.990 --> 01:37:19.790 and there are positive things to experience here common one i hear all the time if you hadn't 01:37:19.790 --> 01:37:25.310 had gone through the hardships of your past you would not be the person you are today i'll 01:37:25.310 --> 01:37:29.950 tell you what if my memory wasn't wiped every time i reincarnated maybe i can be the person 01:37:29.950 --> 01:37:35.410 i want to be from birth rather than from my mid 30s or 40s that would be nice um but anyway 01:37:35.410 --> 01:37:41.510 in my opinion the good that is experienced here is what i call the casino effect so just to explain 01:37:41.510 --> 01:37:46.570 if you went into a casino and everybody lost money you'd know it was rigged so it is deliberately 01:37:46.570 --> 01:37:53.330 engineered so some people win and others lose to give it the illusion of authenticity i think 01:37:53.330 --> 01:38:00.250 you'll deburr has to allow 20 of happiness high high vibrational energy to be integrated into this 01:38:00.250 --> 01:38:05.810 reality because if every single person experienced continuous unhappiness then everybody would figure 01:38:05.810 --> 01:38:11.870 out the plot so it is deliberately engineered so some experience sadness others happiness some 01:38:11.870 --> 01:38:19.030 rich some poor etc to sell the illusion of its false or false authenticity another observation 01:38:19.030 --> 01:38:24.070 i have noticed is that happiness has to be paid for and it is momentary temporary 01:38:24.710 --> 01:38:31.350 whilst unhappiness comes in space it is free and easier to inflict upon others do you agree with 01:38:31.350 --> 01:38:35.430 that line of thinking and what would you add to this i know you did talk about this earlier but 01:38:36.070 --> 01:38:42.170 anything to expand on that i guess yeah that's a great point with the happiness and unhappiness 01:38:42.170 --> 01:38:43.690 i mean there's a 01:38:46.350 --> 01:38:53.330 illness known as chronic depression many people suffer from it and where it's basically you're 01:38:53.330 --> 01:38:58.810 sad all the time an underlying sadness that doesn't go away for a long period of time 01:38:59.610 --> 01:39:02.430 i've never heard of anyone that has chronic happiness 01:39:04.110 --> 01:39:10.850 wow it wouldn't be a an illness but even whatever whatever it was it would be noticeable 01:39:10.850 --> 01:39:16.690 and would be an interesting thing to see if somebody could chronically be happy even through 01:39:16.690 --> 01:39:21.970 all of life's vicissitudes and especially the negatives would they really just continue being 01:39:21.970 --> 01:39:30.410 happy chronically like that but it seems to make sense that in a realm that the negatives 01:39:30.410 --> 01:39:35.210 outweigh the positives as i would say or the the pain outweighs the pleasure that there would 01:39:35.210 --> 01:39:42.370 be such a thing as chronic depression that many many people experience also chronic anxiety 01:39:42.370 --> 01:39:47.070 about the future what's what what new bad things are going to happen right depression is for the 01:39:47.070 --> 01:39:53.410 past and anxieties for the future but we don't have chronic excitement and for the future 01:39:53.410 --> 01:40:00.850 and chronic happiness in the present um that would be cool i would like to experience a bit 01:40:01.390 --> 01:40:07.010 and if we if you did it would be through some extreme effort on your own part it certainly 01:40:07.010 --> 01:40:12.170 wouldn't come about on its own like these bouts of depression and anxiety seem to do people 01:40:12.170 --> 01:40:16.450 don't even know where they're coming from they spend years in therapy trying to figure out the 01:40:16.450 --> 01:40:22.770 root of all of it meanwhile happiness is so fleeting and just comes seemingly of its own 01:40:22.770 --> 01:40:30.250 accord and these moments that rarely accrue and like i said they're not even as pleasurable 01:40:30.250 --> 01:40:37.730 as the most painful moments are painful so they're not even worth it yeah hundred percent now it is 01:40:37.730 --> 01:40:44.450 something i think about all the time as well there's such an unbalance between the two 01:40:45.330 --> 01:40:53.810 something you you talked about earlier about um not quite um when we use away the one that's 01:40:53.810 --> 01:41:01.070 something you're not quite uh in favor of using uh did you ever read the account of David taking 01:41:01.650 --> 01:41:08.470 ayahuasca and he claimed to hear voices of the one uh he was communicating with him and i oh i can't 01:41:08.470 --> 01:41:14.230 remember this lady's name but there was another researcher in the field of reptilians who came 01:41:14.230 --> 01:41:20.010 out and said no that wasn't oneness at all talking to him that was our cons disguised as 01:41:20.650 --> 01:41:29.550 oneness uh communicating with him and um it it was quite interesting have you come across 01:41:29.550 --> 01:41:38.710 that that story yes i've heard that that story that he's told yeah yeah in his books um 01:41:39.310 --> 01:41:46.910 but you know yeah like this voice uh claiming to be one the oneness and um and then he came out 01:41:46.910 --> 01:41:51.790 and said oh you know oneness doesn't have a problem with these elites you know he could take her well 01:41:51.790 --> 01:41:56.690 i tell you what if he doesn't he's certainly buying his time you know it had like thousands and 01:41:56.690 --> 01:42:02.190 thousands of millennia of evil corrupt kings and governments yeah i'm like well and you know 01:42:02.190 --> 01:42:08.890 you know in your own time but anyway i don't know you just brought back that thought in my head um 01:42:09.470 --> 01:42:16.050 okay so uh that's question okay question 11 follow up to question 10 uh okay so yeah 01:42:16.050 --> 01:42:20.630 i mean it's like being in a prison and the warden tells you well at least you've got a toilet 01:42:20.630 --> 01:42:25.310 meals every day and some fresh air every now and again you should be grateful to be alive 01:42:25.310 --> 01:42:30.590 but you are still trapped within a prison cell just as we are trapped inside of our biological 01:42:30.590 --> 01:42:37.390 bodies tuned into a holographic earth prison now let's say this is something recently that i've 01:42:37.390 --> 01:42:41.630 been thinking about actually um let's say you're living the life of your dreams you have everything 01:42:41.630 --> 01:42:46.730 that you want in need you have wealth valuable friendships and the partner of your dreams would 01:42:46.730 --> 01:42:51.390 you be content with having all of those things knowing full well that there are others living in 01:42:51.390 --> 01:42:58.170 lack because i i certainly would not be satisfied with that no matter no matter how much i have uh 01:42:58.170 --> 01:43:04.050 i would be uncomfortable knowing that there is someone else living in lack and there is an incredible 01:43:04.050 --> 01:43:08.890 amount of unbalance in this world between happiness and unhappiness between the rich and 01:43:08.890 --> 01:43:14.810 poor etc we are so conditioned to focus on that i and i don't like it when people say i'm lucky or 01:43:14.810 --> 01:43:19.890 that that person is lucky why should you be lucky over everybody else it's egoistical self-centered 01:43:19.890 --> 01:43:26.830 and focuses on the eye do you feel the same yeah exactly that makes perfect sense like 01:43:27.450 --> 01:43:34.510 how could if you have empathy and compassion anyway how can you be totally content with 01:43:34.510 --> 01:43:40.410 all the great things that you may have in your life if all around you everyone is suffering and 01:43:40.410 --> 01:43:46.710 experiencing negative things especially if you're hoarding some of the things that are causing 01:43:46.710 --> 01:43:51.050 them to have to do it like a lot of these these rich people are doing the way the 01:43:52.010 --> 01:43:57.250 monetary system is set up there's only a certain amount of currency that can go around 01:43:57.250 --> 01:44:02.710 and the more you stockpile yourself when it gets into the billionaire level at this point 01:44:02.710 --> 01:44:07.510 you're you've hoarded more wealth than you can even spend in a lifetime 01:44:08.550 --> 01:44:14.850 meanwhile a bunch of other people that you could have that one way or another it could be distributed 01:44:14.850 --> 01:44:21.630 to them um could at least live a better life you have to cut yourself off you have to be 01:44:21.630 --> 01:44:26.570 disconnected and unempathetic to have that version of happiness and is that really happy like 01:44:26.570 --> 01:44:31.770 what even is that psychopathic happiness i guess and is that what yeah is that what god wants 01:44:32.290 --> 01:44:37.990 he wants psychopathic happy people and everyone else to just be depressed all the time but even 01:44:37.990 --> 01:44:44.210 even with that psychopathic happiness um imagine it this way so you you get what you said you 01:44:44.210 --> 01:44:47.590 all the wealth you want everything you want you live in the life of your dreams all the 01:44:47.590 --> 01:44:51.850 friends the partner of your dreams and and you don't even care that everybody else doesn't 01:44:51.850 --> 01:44:58.630 have it well well eventually you're gonna lose all those things too right because that's 01:44:58.630 --> 01:45:03.330 the nature of this world all of those that money eventually you're not gonna have it all of your 01:45:03.330 --> 01:45:08.330 friends are gonna die partner of your dreams is gonna die you're gonna die everything that you 01:45:09.550 --> 01:45:14.030 accumulated that made you so happy that made you feel on top of the world and we're living 01:45:14.030 --> 01:45:19.370 the life of your dreams is going to be ripped away from you slowly and painfully 01:45:19.910 --> 01:45:25.770 like that that's the nature of this world and so even that person that you mentioned 01:45:25.770 --> 01:45:29.870 that's living that gets to live the the perfect happy life of their dreams 01:45:31.070 --> 01:45:36.330 ultimately they're going to be crushed and you know diseased and die like everyone else 01:45:36.330 --> 01:45:42.090 and everything around them as well so whether they can enjoy their psychopathic version of 01:45:42.090 --> 01:45:46.910 happiness where they're happy and everyone else is unhappy ultimately they're going to be unhappy 01:45:46.910 --> 01:45:55.170 as well it's got to how I see it in operas it's always a sad ending and everyone dies at the end 01:45:55.170 --> 01:46:03.550 because that's the truest that's the truest nature of of an actual life lived here is that 01:46:03.550 --> 01:46:10.210 they're all tragedies ultimately weed and everyone we know dies in the end it's it's 01:46:10.210 --> 01:46:15.250 you never get the happy ending in modern movies that you know you write off into the sunset 01:46:15.250 --> 01:46:18.990 with your love that's halfway through the story like you're saying here the person that 01:46:18.990 --> 01:46:23.570 live lives the life of their dreams continue watch the sequel you know what happens at the 01:46:23.570 --> 01:46:30.090 end of the actual movie it's a lot sadder than when they chose to end it sure sure now 01:46:31.310 --> 01:46:38.650 you hear it right on the nail on the head there absolutely fantastic okay so moving 01:46:38.650 --> 01:46:45.490 on to question 12 the law of attraction baloney and the parent code concept one topic I would 01:46:45.490 --> 01:46:51.890 like to put forward to yourself is this idea that we create our own reality now I am totally 01:46:51.890 --> 01:46:57.210 opposed to this concept and from my own experiences I conclude that we certainly 01:46:57.210 --> 01:47:03.710 do not create our own reality I'm just talking from my experience in our recent times there has 01:47:03.710 --> 01:47:09.790 been this push from what I call fake self-help coaches on this concept selling the idea that our 01:47:09.790 --> 01:47:13.730 thoughts create our reality through work such as the law of attraction the secret 01:47:13.730 --> 01:47:19.030 permitting the idea that everything happens in your life is your fault because you attracted it 01:47:19.030 --> 01:47:25.850 we often hear ask the universe and it will be given I am aware that certain people have cured 01:47:25.850 --> 01:47:31.610 illnesses like cancer through meditation and controlled their health with their thoughts now 01:47:31.610 --> 01:47:36.990 this I can get behind because I have experienced this myself and have read countless testimonies 01:47:36.990 --> 01:47:42.050 from people who have influenced their biological state through their thoughts however I do not 01:47:42.050 --> 01:47:48.850 believe the same applies to controlling our external world my own theory is that we each 01:47:48.850 --> 01:47:53.230 have a parent code system placed somewhere in the ether which controls what we attract into 01:47:53.230 --> 01:47:58.670 our lives as the saying goes if it is not meant to be it is not meant to be or some things 01:47:58.670 --> 01:48:04.390 are not meant to be in life and I have come to believe this is very true we see people who are 01:48:04.390 --> 01:48:09.010 skilled to get certain jobs but never get them why do some people easily get into relationships 01:48:09.010 --> 01:48:14.070 while others struggle why is it that for some no matter how hard they try they can't reach the 01:48:14.070 --> 01:48:19.070 peak success of what it is that they pursue I have now come to strongly believe that certain 01:48:19.070 --> 01:48:24.130 opportunities are kept away from us through this parent code system put in place and 01:48:24.130 --> 01:48:30.750 managed by the Archons what is your viewpoint on this subject hmm yeah I've heard some people say 01:48:30.750 --> 01:48:37.490 that they think we have a life script or that's the same idea with that soul contract it usually 01:48:37.490 --> 01:48:44.390 goes hand in hand that we signed some kind of soul contract where we co-created a life script 01:48:44.930 --> 01:48:50.610 that we've agreed to have happened and we'll have certain events happen and we'll meet 01:48:50.610 --> 01:48:56.810 certain people and again that's maybe I don't know I don't remember it if we did probably a 01:48:56.810 --> 01:49:02.450 memory wipe was part of it and the same thing with the like law of attraction type of thing 01:49:02.450 --> 01:49:08.890 they say that there's this law but again how can it's kind of like a law of gravity to me 01:49:08.890 --> 01:49:16.130 I don't I don't see that the law of attraction is that much of a law I can sit here as long 01:49:16.130 --> 01:49:21.890 as I want thinking about how great it would feel to be in a Ferrari like they do in that 01:49:21.890 --> 01:49:27.330 the secret movie and I can go go through the feelings of how I would feel if I already owned 01:49:27.330 --> 01:49:33.050 the Ferrari and I can sit there like a tool shifting the gears and driving through my room 01:49:33.050 --> 01:49:37.710 like the guy in the movie does and I can guarantee you at no point in my lifetime 01:49:37.710 --> 01:49:44.810 is a Ferrari just going to randomly be attracted to me because I aligned with that vibration 01:49:45.290 --> 01:49:50.070 well enough in my bedroom in my imagination revving up my fake Ferrari engine 01:49:50.650 --> 01:49:55.330 that's literally how they sell it to you in most of these books and I mean and 01:49:57.290 --> 01:50:03.290 the reality of course is that sure there could be a bit of visualization that helps 01:50:03.290 --> 01:50:08.730 in the process of manifesting things into your reality so sitting there and meditating and 01:50:08.730 --> 01:50:13.030 thinking about things or even feeling the feelings of having them like they suggest 01:50:13.030 --> 01:50:20.570 don't sound like all that bad of advice but the terrible advice is the idea that that's all you 01:50:20.570 --> 01:50:26.270 need to do to make these things come into your life the the main thing you're going to need to do 01:50:26.270 --> 01:50:32.710 is action you have to do stuff you're gonna have to do something to make the Ferrari eventually 01:50:32.710 --> 01:50:38.510 make its way into your driveway if you're just sitting there doing the secret all the time 01:50:38.510 --> 01:50:44.110 trying to use the law of attraction it's never going to happen it's which is why I don't really see 01:50:44.110 --> 01:50:51.610 it as a law at all don't I don't think you can attract things with such an easy method you can 01:50:51.610 --> 01:50:57.310 there's certainly tools within your consciousness there's ways that you can change your thinking 01:50:57.310 --> 01:51:03.290 that will make things come into your life easier but if you just change your thinking but do 01:51:03.290 --> 01:51:09.150 no actions you take no steps in the physical world towards making those things happen 01:51:09.790 --> 01:51:14.350 how could that happen I mean even like people that think God is going to bring things into their 01:51:14.350 --> 01:51:19.810 life like that oh God is going to maybe bring other people or events or situations and ultimately 01:51:19.810 --> 01:51:22.990 you're going to have to live them you're going to have to meet those people you're going to have 01:51:22.990 --> 01:51:28.850 to relate to them have conversations be responsible and then eventually maybe they give you a Ferrari 01:51:28.850 --> 01:51:36.210 or whatever but it will be part of a series of actions that happened not just you sitting 01:51:36.210 --> 01:51:41.510 imagining things I've had this big beef with the law of attraction so I don't know if that 01:51:41.510 --> 01:51:48.930 necessarily plays into what you had to say about it but for me yeah I don't think that it's even 01:51:48.930 --> 01:51:55.230 really a thing I feel like that's it's just this concept that has been promoted out of nowhere 01:51:55.230 --> 01:52:03.070 and now it's it's attained the level of law similar to gravity it started out as a theory 01:52:03.070 --> 01:52:07.870 and now apparently it's a law even though there's no example anywhere that you can 01:52:07.870 --> 01:52:13.630 point to improve it like there's nobody that can you can they can sit down in a chair 01:52:14.190 --> 01:52:18.950 envision themselves in a Ferrari well enough or long enough and you can record it and then 01:52:18.950 --> 01:52:25.130 suddenly a Ferrari up here is next to them it's never gonna happen you can never give me scientific 01:52:25.130 --> 01:52:30.830 evidence of this supposed law so just like the law of gravity I have serious questions about the 01:52:30.830 --> 01:52:36.870 law of attraction and I think it's really just a jumping off point for anyone who wants to 01:52:36.870 --> 01:52:42.610 make changes in their life that yes visualization is a great step but they sell it as if it's 01:52:42.610 --> 01:52:47.690 the only step necessary to get all of your dreams to come true when it's really just maybe 01:52:47.690 --> 01:52:53.450 10% of of it and the other 90% is actually doing things to make make it happen 01:52:54.310 --> 01:53:00.070 yeah absolutely like say if I use the law of attraction to attract the woman of my dreams so 01:53:00.070 --> 01:53:08.650 that woman now is mine so because she's mine I've taken away from everybody else so because I've 01:53:08.650 --> 01:53:15.970 got her somebody else out there cannot have her you see it is again it's kind of empathizing 01:53:15.970 --> 01:53:22.370 with the with with everyone else rather than just focusing on the eye isn't it it's like 01:53:22.370 --> 01:53:30.790 I want this I want a Ferrari I want the woman of my dreams I want the job it's very eye focused I 01:53:30.790 --> 01:53:35.350 think that's again my issue along with the other things that you just talked about as well 01:53:35.970 --> 01:53:42.130 yeah yeah and even if it was a collective altruistic focus I don't know that that's 01:53:42.130 --> 01:53:47.570 going to happen people do that all the time they do mass meditations for peace and they get a whole 01:53:47.570 --> 01:53:54.190 bunch of people together and they sit there and think about a peaceful world or or try to bring 01:53:54.190 --> 01:53:59.650 in a peaceful world by not thinking or whatever the intention might be but ultimately the world 01:53:59.650 --> 01:54:05.570 is still fraught with war and we no matter how many millions of people come together trying to 01:54:05.570 --> 01:54:12.470 attract a better world I haven't seen any noticeable difference or prayer is another one 01:54:12.470 --> 01:54:18.830 billions of people today and throughout history I think have been praying for a better world and 01:54:18.830 --> 01:54:23.910 praying for things to happen and they they do where they don't you know when they do they 01:54:23.910 --> 01:54:29.030 praise god and when they don't they just blame themselves probably for not praying hard enough 01:54:29.030 --> 01:54:36.190 but I think similar to the law of attraction it's all just it's it's up to you if all you're doing 01:54:36.190 --> 01:54:42.210 is praying well yeah that's why you get kind of a 50-50 result that you got to pray and then put 01:54:42.210 --> 01:54:47.430 it into action if all you're doing is law of attracting you're not going to get great results 01:54:47.430 --> 01:54:53.430 but if you visualize and then put it into practice yeah I can see how that could be 01:54:53.430 --> 01:54:59.910 part of the process the issue is when they act like it's the entire process in itself 01:55:00.870 --> 01:55:08.950 yeah sure great stuff right question 13 the experiment by Dr. Masaru Imoto I would like 01:55:08.950 --> 01:55:15.090 to talk about the experiments with water by Dr. Masaru Imoto in his experiments he discovered 01:55:15.090 --> 01:55:21.730 that water responds to certain human emotions and words for example when you express anger 01:55:21.730 --> 01:55:28.930 expression or hate towards water the molecules become imbalanced and disproportionate however when 01:55:28.930 --> 01:55:34.810 you express emotions such as love kindness and appreciation the molecules form these beautiful 01:55:34.810 --> 01:55:39.830 symmetrical shapes where I am going with this is that we have talked about this reality being 01:55:39.830 --> 01:55:45.770 energetically synchronized to work in favor of evil now if this is true then one can argue 01:55:45.770 --> 01:55:50.190 that surely in the above experiment the opposite would occur do you think the results from 01:55:50.190 --> 01:55:57.210 Dr. Imoto's experiment show signs of the 20% of high vibrational energy that exists in our reality 01:55:57.210 --> 01:56:03.150 or could be a result of the casino effect which we have already talked about or even the result of 01:56:03.150 --> 01:56:08.530 a leak from the original matrix which operates on well principles of the infinite as we call it 01:56:08.530 --> 01:56:17.830 yeah the the original Gnostic interpretation was they called this a broken mirror image 01:56:17.830 --> 01:56:24.830 so it would make sense that if this is a broken mirror image of heaven then certain trace elements 01:56:24.830 --> 01:56:31.250 of heaven would still be around and that is like I said in the beauty of nature and the love in 01:56:31.250 --> 01:56:36.570 our hearts and very well could be in the molecular structure of water that has been blessed 01:56:37.270 --> 01:56:46.330 because Dr. Imoto's work shows that when you put positive energy or words to the water 01:56:46.330 --> 01:56:54.430 it makes symmetrical beautiful shapes and when you say negative things or put negative words 01:56:54.430 --> 01:57:02.410 on the water it makes unsymmetrical ugly shapes but I wouldn't necessarily say that just because 01:57:02.410 --> 01:57:10.430 that happens that that means that this reality isn't energetically synchronized to work in 01:57:10.430 --> 01:57:19.830 favor of evil can still be that way just that the you know good vibrations create beautiful images 01:57:20.890 --> 01:57:29.790 negative vibrations create ugly images but that doesn't speak either way to a fundamental 01:57:29.790 --> 01:57:34.350 reality of which is supposed to think it's supposed to be one more so than the other 01:57:34.350 --> 01:57:41.010 whatever so I'd say it could be either of those and just the fact that positive beautiful words and 01:57:41.010 --> 01:57:46.930 emotions create beautiful shapes in that way doesn't mean it's necessarily energetically 01:57:46.930 --> 01:57:53.370 synchronized to work in favor of good or evil similar to how people appeal to bunnies and 01:57:53.370 --> 01:57:59.010 puppies and trees and mountains and sunsets when you speak of the abundant inherent negatives 01:57:59.010 --> 01:58:07.610 here I see them both as being present and I see Dr. Imoto's work as showing that showing that both 01:58:08.430 --> 01:58:13.370 have a outcome positive has a beautiful outcome negative has an ugly outcome 01:58:14.130 --> 01:58:18.590 but I guess what you're saying is if it was energetically synchronized to be this way that 01:58:19.470 --> 01:58:25.250 ugliness I mean negativity would look beautiful and vice versa 01:58:25.250 --> 01:58:32.190 I guess that's a possibility but I don't think that that's necessarily the case 01:58:32.950 --> 01:58:42.450 sure sure okay no I hear you okay no another great answer question 14 so any connection 01:58:42.450 --> 01:58:49.950 between the flat earth model and the artificial moon so moving to a different topic I'd like to 01:58:49.950 --> 01:58:55.810 get your viewpoint on the theory that the moon is a artificial construct possibly a spaceship 01:58:55.810 --> 01:59:02.050 we have heard conspiracy researchers such as David I talk about the moon matrix and non-human 01:59:02.050 --> 01:59:07.170 entities operating this matrix from the moon I personally haven't done a great deal of research 01:59:07.170 --> 01:59:12.790 into this but from what I have read it is said that the moon was brought here recently ish in our 01:59:12.790 --> 01:59:18.830 history as ancient records do not talk about the moon we have seen this concept also hinted in 01:59:18.830 --> 01:59:23.830 movies such as star wars we have been told that the moon influences tidal waves affects human 01:59:23.830 --> 01:59:29.230 behavior and weather patterns if it is true that the moon was brought here and is indeed 01:59:29.230 --> 01:59:34.670 an artificial construct it would suggest that extraterrestrial entities exist and operate 01:59:34.670 --> 01:59:42.130 outside of the earth plane possibly outside of the affirmament as we call it what is your 01:59:42.130 --> 01:59:47.310 opinion on the subject and is the moon being an artificial construct compatible with a flat earth 01:59:47.310 --> 01:59:56.950 model hmm in David Ike's moon matrix talk he gets really specific about the claims he makes 01:59:56.950 --> 02:00:03.450 about the moon saying it's a physical spaceship used by interdimensional shape-shifting 02:00:03.450 --> 02:00:10.450 reptilians who control humanity psychically from this as their moon base and his whole idea is 02:00:10.450 --> 02:00:16.790 predicated on the heliocentric globe model with a physical moon that physical beings can land on 02:00:17.590 --> 02:00:24.030 and I'm open to the idea that there could have existed a time in history before there was a moon 02:00:24.030 --> 02:00:31.070 around in the sky but all the other specifics that he mentions are unprovable and don't make 02:00:31.070 --> 02:00:39.330 any sense to me at all the idea that the moon is a physical spaceship he calls it that came from 02:00:39.330 --> 02:00:45.890 another physical place in outer space which I don't think is a thing and then came here harboring 02:00:45.890 --> 02:00:51.450 shape-shifting reptilians which is something again I don't I don't see enough proof that 02:00:51.450 --> 02:00:56.910 that's a reality though I leave a slight bit of possibility that there could be something to 02:00:56.910 --> 02:01:01.850 what he's mentioning but he talks about shape-shifting reptilians as if that's the most concrete 02:01:02.390 --> 02:01:09.450 part of his philosophy I haven't seen that level of evidence to to say that such things exist nor 02:01:09.450 --> 02:01:15.610 that they control humanity from the moon base these are they have moon beams that hypnotize us 02:01:15.610 --> 02:01:21.450 but he's got quite a whole thing and it all it all fits in with the heliocentric globe model 02:01:21.450 --> 02:01:30.950 which is why I think David might be well one of two reasons why he might be reluctant to either 02:01:30.950 --> 02:01:36.110 research or come out and say that this is the reality because it goes against most of what he's 02:01:36.110 --> 02:01:44.810 said in most of his books and or because he's just a gatekeeper anyway I mean if he's genuine 02:01:44.810 --> 02:01:53.970 then I would say the likely reason he can't seem to see through the whole outer space deception is 02:01:53.970 --> 02:02:01.610 because a lot of what he's based his worldview is is on that but there's also the possibility that 02:02:01.610 --> 02:02:07.210 he's a unknowing gatekeeper and he knows about the flat earth for example or he knows about 02:02:07.210 --> 02:02:12.750 certain other things and he's there in a way that I think Alex Jones plays this role where 02:02:12.750 --> 02:02:19.490 he gives you a certain amount of conspiracy knowledge but gate keeps knowingly gate keeps other 02:02:19.490 --> 02:02:27.290 things and as a as a result is a literal mouthpiece of the very conspiracy he's supposedly against 02:02:28.110 --> 02:02:32.410 which is a big waking up thing for me because Alex Jones was one of the first people that 02:02:32.410 --> 02:02:37.350 I came across talking about all of these subjects and I listened to him for years 02:02:37.350 --> 02:02:46.010 and then as I slowly started coming to conclusions that he doesn't and he veers off of it he strays 02:02:46.010 --> 02:02:51.770 people away from certain conclusions for instance like the fact that we haven't been to the moon or 02:02:51.770 --> 02:02:57.650 that the earth is flat or that zionists control things he'll just say globalists right global 02:02:57.650 --> 02:03:03.610 there's no such thing as a globe and his main thing is the globalists in a sense yeah the 02:03:03.610 --> 02:03:09.530 people who created the globe if that's what you mean by globalists I actually agree in that sense 02:03:10.150 --> 02:03:18.090 but it's weird when you think that somebody who is fighting the conspiracies fighting the good fight 02:03:18.090 --> 02:03:25.670 and then there's like a fall from grace where you realize maybe he's actually part of the 02:03:25.670 --> 02:03:31.830 conspiracy and his the role he plays is to pretend like he's a leader and fighting the 02:03:31.830 --> 02:03:38.330 good fight and what he does is give you half truths that make makes his audience impotent 02:03:38.950 --> 02:03:44.990 because now they just believe the half truths of their leader instead of finding the real truth 02:03:44.990 --> 02:03:50.510 and getting to things that could be more impactful they're led off like a pied piper into an area 02:03:50.510 --> 02:03:57.510 of research and thinking that doesn't actually gain any real traction and I would think if you 02:03:57.510 --> 02:04:02.730 if there was a world conspiracy you would certainly need to have pied pipers like that set in place 02:04:02.730 --> 02:04:11.450 otherwise true genuine leaders would rise to the top and lead genuine movements so you have to have 02:04:11.450 --> 02:04:18.650 controlled opposition leaders to lead people in directions that you have already pre-approved 02:04:19.200 --> 02:04:26.590 and so even like like Alex Jones for example he came out about the various school shootings 02:04:27.130 --> 02:04:34.310 and was saying that they were they were crisis actors and that they were stage staged you know 02:04:34.310 --> 02:04:41.710 and not real events and then suddenly he's taken to court and he retracts all his conspiratorial 02:04:42.510 --> 02:04:49.390 statements about that now is that because he went too far was he just shooting from the cuff 02:04:49.390 --> 02:04:54.710 in his conspiratorial way and then he said something that was beyond what what he's supposed 02:04:54.710 --> 02:05:01.470 to say as a gatekeeper I wonder about that even whether he's a gatekeeper or not they shut the gate 02:05:02.010 --> 02:05:07.890 on him during that instance for example because he said something that was too far and now they 02:05:07.890 --> 02:05:12.470 they had the whole lawsuit against him and stuff and shut him up and banned him off a bunch of 02:05:13.310 --> 02:05:19.790 platforms and all that um but anyway all that to say that I wonder if David Ike is 02:05:19.790 --> 02:05:26.230 like Alex Jones in that sense because there's a lot of things that point to it in my eyes 02:05:26.230 --> 02:05:31.250 that he could very well be another controlled opposition gatekeeper that says a lot of things 02:05:31.250 --> 02:05:35.550 that I do agree with but then comes up with a lot of other things like this moon matrix we're 02:05:35.550 --> 02:05:41.550 talking about that I really don't agree with and then he also won't you won't take the next step 02:05:41.550 --> 02:05:47.470 to to go further down the rabbit hole to some much more impactful truths that are contrary 02:05:47.470 --> 02:05:54.830 to the things that he's published previously. Sure and I guess once you've published something on 02:05:54.830 --> 02:05:59.750 hard copy books that have gone out in their hundreds if not thousands to go back on your 02:05:59.750 --> 02:06:05.510 word on those books and say oops I made a mistake you know it's a bit of a hard thing to confront 02:06:05.510 --> 02:06:09.790 isn't it to say sorry people I was wrong what I said in those books I've got to write 02:06:09.790 --> 02:06:15.110 something different now I guess it's a bit of a difficult position to be in I suppose for any 02:06:15.110 --> 02:06:24.310 author I guess I don't know maybe if that has a factor in it but okay but no it's been an absolutely 02:06:24.310 --> 02:06:33.250 brilliant conversation so question 15 finishing on a positive so we have talked about our reality 02:06:33.250 --> 02:06:38.870 being energetically synchronized to support evil, narcissism and the negative nature of 02:06:38.870 --> 02:06:43.890 what we are contained in just to finish on a positive I believe to show expressions of 02:06:43.890 --> 02:06:50.650 kindness compassion empathy and to share and be nice whilst are going against the tide of 02:06:50.650 --> 02:06:57.610 our matrix may possibly be an exit out of this place and lead to a path back to the original 02:06:57.610 --> 02:07:04.210 one true realm it is courageous to say to this system yes I know inhabiting positive attributes 02:07:04.210 --> 02:07:10.370 will result in me finishing last as the saying goes nice guy's finished last but even knowing 02:07:10.370 --> 02:07:15.910 this I am still not willing to comply to the energetic frequency of this simulation I am going 02:07:15.910 --> 02:07:21.390 to continue to show characteristics of kindness to others as far as practically possible to what the 02:07:21.390 --> 02:07:26.030 matrix allows I will continue to practice the art of stillness niche and my spiritual awakening 02:07:26.030 --> 02:07:33.090 so I can go back to home to to where it is that I actually belong and and not stay here 02:07:33.870 --> 02:07:38.570 not only this meant not this mentality and spiritual way of being may lead us out of 02:07:38.570 --> 02:07:43.310 the sole trap and get us out of here but it's possible that if more and more people inhabit 02:07:43.310 --> 02:07:47.290 this approach to life it will stop or reduce the loose energy that releases out putting 02:07:47.290 --> 02:07:51.610 the outcomes in a position where they will no longer be able to sustain this reality 02:07:51.610 --> 02:07:58.510 thus forcing it to re-emerge back to the original mirror in which the breaking piece came from 02:07:58.510 --> 02:08:05.530 or dissolve entirely so we can return to where we belong I know that I know all of that would 02:08:05.530 --> 02:08:10.590 have to run in conjunction with other things such as not following the light not contracting to 02:08:10.590 --> 02:08:15.350 reincarnate and not falling for the manipulation tactics after we leave our physical bodies 02:08:15.350 --> 02:08:27.030 but on the whole what do you think I it's more hope than think I hope that there is 02:08:27.030 --> 02:08:33.910 a way out of this soul trap and soul trick I hope that I'm able to see it in the moment 02:08:34.670 --> 02:08:40.870 and potentially our co-creative energy could create a place like heaven or like I hope I 02:08:40.870 --> 02:08:48.010 make sense to me that that is what our consciousness is able to do when it's outside of this physical 02:08:48.630 --> 02:08:53.730 world and physical bodies anyway consciousness regains those powers that's what a lot of near 02:08:53.730 --> 02:08:59.970 death experiencers say is when they leave their physical body they start to regain all these powers 02:08:59.970 --> 02:09:04.630 they're able to travel at the speed of thought you just think something and you're there 02:09:04.630 --> 02:09:09.750 they're able to remember everything from their life stuff they'd forgotten from childhood 02:09:09.750 --> 02:09:14.790 they just remember it all and some of them say they go to that akashic record and they remember 02:09:14.790 --> 02:09:19.510 all of human history they remember everything any question they have they instantly know the 02:09:19.510 --> 02:09:23.550 answer when they're in that state but then they say once they come back into the physical 02:09:23.550 --> 02:09:29.350 body it's similar to a dream in that when it was happening I yeah but now when you're trying 02:09:29.350 --> 02:09:35.790 to make me recall it that's all hazy I can barely remember what happened and I wonder if that is 02:09:35.790 --> 02:09:41.810 what the experience our experience is like innately once we're out of body we very well 02:09:41.810 --> 02:09:47.950 may be very powerful creators and that could be why the archons are so quick to try and deceive us 02:09:47.950 --> 02:09:54.650 and distract us into reincarnating before we realize our true power once we're out of 02:09:54.650 --> 02:10:01.210 these physical bodies in this physical realm sure sure now that's another fantastic answer 02:10:02.710 --> 02:10:09.910 but that's all my questions Eric I would just like to say a big big thank you for having this 02:10:09.910 --> 02:10:16.030 talk with me and for all the work you have done to try and wake up as many people as possible 02:10:16.030 --> 02:10:21.890 you are a remarkable human being and we are right behind you keep doing what you are doing 02:10:21.890 --> 02:10:27.110 and together maybe we can help each other hold on to that hope that you talked about 02:10:27.790 --> 02:10:34.110 that will get us out of here oh thanks so much now those are excellent questions I appreciate that 02:10:34.110 --> 02:10:39.530 thanks for a good interview and thanks for contacting me and helping set this all up 02:10:40.310 --> 02:10:45.630 yeah no absolutely you take care my friend and bye for now all ready thank you bye bye okay