All right. Okay. Well, first of all, thank you for this opportunity to have this chat with you.
This is an honor for me and it's so lovely to meet you in person. I know we've been exchanging emails
back and forth in voice recordings. What have you with the past so many months? And it's just
you know, just great to, you know, I don't know what we're not physically together,
but just to talk with you in this moment where, you know, both our minds are just
sort of merging for this experience. It's just a really, you know, just a great opportunity. So
thank you for that first of all. So yeah, I guess I'll just introduce myself just to your audience.
So just to introduce myself, my name is Hitsesh. That is spelled H-I-T-E-S-H. I'm of Asian descent,
but I live in the UK. I've lived here all my life. And I've always had a huge passion
for conspiracy research. This goes as far back since I was a toddler. I've always had this
feeling of not fitting in, sense of not belonging, and always had this inkling that this world is
not what we are told it is. As I grew up, I started to develop an interest in all things
paranormal, the existence of extraterrestrials and the dimensions and various other areas
of what you would call the unexplained. And here in the UK, we used to have this TV show
back in the 90s called Strange But True. I don't know if you've heard of it,
but it was hosted by Michael Aspell. And each episode explored cases of supernatural phenomena.
It was definitely a show that really catapulted me into these subjects. I know in America,
you had a similar version called Beyond Believe Fact or Fiction. And they were both great anyway.
But moving on to my teams, I started to learn about the secret society networks that run our
planet, started getting into David Ike. As I got into my mid-20s, I did create a conspiracy-based
website which expanded on a wide range of spiritual slash conspiratorial subjects,
sharing information from alternative researchers from which then developed a YouTube channel
where I had the unique experience of interviewing people from different backgrounds,
specializing in specific areas of alternative research. And then as I got into my 30s, I realized
that I'd made a lot of mistakes in this journey. I wasn't really building any momentum. So I just
packed it all in and decided to move on to other things in my life. I said to myself,
well, we've already got the likes of David Ike and others who have an enormous amount of
reach. So I'll just continue to contribute to positive change in the world where I can
with what works. And then fast forwarded to a 20. The convid pandemic kicked off and I felt I had
to return to the conspiracy field. And it was interesting because even though I'd been away
from conspiracy research for a few years, I knew at some point I would have to return.
So I joined the marches, the anti-lockdown protests. And this was a massive learning
period for me as it was for many others who were awake to what was really going on.
Because I started to learn about jam theory, terrain theory. So whilst we were in the midst of
incredible government tyranny, it also freed me in a lot of ways. And then moving on to 2023,
that was the point where I stumbled on a flat earth video from a guy called allegedly Dave.
And before I hit play, I remember saying to myself, well, this probably isn't going to
grab me, but I've got some time spare. So let's just give it a listen. And when the video finished,
I was really captivated. So whilst I had a passion for alternative research for so many years, it was
only from two years ago that I really paid any attention to flat earth. And then I stumbled
on the research of flat earth Dave, who I have to say really sold it to me. However,
what I wasn't what what I was not resonating with as far as flat earth day was concerned.
And I know you and I have talked about this is the whole idea of the creator being a loving
benevolent God. And every time I watched his videos, I would either stop the video or skip
these parts where he would talk about the idea of a loving creator responsible for this creation.
And I started to notice a paradigm with the flat earth forerunners, whereby they were fixated
on this idea that this reality was created by a loving benevolent God. And I asked the
question, why is this? Because I can accept flat earth. But what I can't think with is the whole
notion that a benevolent creator was responsible for creating a world where living organisms
have to feed off other living organisms for their own survival. Now, my argument here is,
okay, if that's what you believe, so be it, it's not up to me to tell you what to believe
or whatnot. But let's at least make room for other possibilities. Let's at least acknowledge
that there are other explanations with regards to our creation. And then I finally found you.
The moment of truth, I found your YouTube channel. And as soon as I realized that you
didn't fit that mold that I just talked about, I breathed a sigh of relief. Finally,
a flat earth with social media following here was willing to accept an alternative viewpoint.
And then either an email directly, you responded, we quickly realized that we had a lot in common
and eventually it's led to this talk where a like minds have come together to have this
explosive discussion. So here we are right on. I wasn't aware that you had like had a YouTube
channel and been so into conspiracy research and like done interviews a decade or more ago as
well. And then kind of got out of it out of it and back into it like that. That's interesting.
Do you still have the YouTube channel? Did you get banned by any chance? Or did you take
it down just so you could, you know, pursue an occupation and that kind of thing?
So what happened was, yeah, the whole thing I was kind of working on was the website was
called transform the illusion is in transform our reality, transform the holographic reality.
So that was the place I was coming from. And the website was transform the illusion.com.
And then I had the YouTube channel. That doesn't exist anymore. It's all gone. The
website's gone. The YouTube channel is taken down. All the videos are gone. It is all.
And I think for me, the frustration it kind of came when I felt as though I wasn't really
causing a change or really kind of making a difference to sort of anything I felt as though
I wasn't really making a big enough impact to things. And some videos did quite well.
They did get like a fairly high hit rate, but I wasn't satisfied with it. And I wasn't kind of happy
with the way I was going about it. So that's why. And there were other things that I wanted to do
in my life as well. So yeah, it's just really, I think I just kind of just acted out of instinct
probably and just tore the whole thing down. Understandable. Yeah. But when the powers that
be pull these things off like the convid stuff and whatever other stuff, it does force you to come
back. It's interesting because if they just kind of let us be, we've got no reason to return. Well,
I mean, I suppose you can optionally, but it kind of forces you to return a little bit,
doesn't it? When when these kind of global events happening, you're like, gosh, I've got to come back
now. It's so front and center. It's like every every dinner table discussion. That was so
blatant that even if you didn't want to step out and be the focus of attention,
everybody's talking about it. And like even just trying to shirk away from certain
discussions gives away your actual opinion. So there was no there really was no way of
getting away from that silently. Everybody had to be front and center and say what they thought
and it caused quite a bit of upheaval. And I feel like we're still in the wake of that now,
where everyone's kind of going around like, what should you know, like post traumatic stress,
like as a world, we all kind of have PTSD right now. And we're just like, what just
happened? Like, is that going to ever happen again? Are we going to allow that to happen
again? And there's a whole sector of the population that absolutely will allow that to
happen again. And they'll cheer it on and champion it, which is the crazy thing that we found
happening during that time, is that there was such a big part of the population that's so
willing to go along with the most ridiculous and illogical notions, as long as they're
told by a perceived authority figure, we're so compelled to do whatever the government
could be doctors, whoever we perceive as an authority figure at the time, we just give up
our autonomy and agency and critical thought to whatever dictates they have and just go along
with it on a mass scale. And that was quite disconcerting to see that happen then. And I
think a lot of us are disconcerted about the future. And if something else like that is being
planned, because that certainly was planned beforehand. And now who knows what they're planning now?
100%. Here in the UK, we've got this digital ID thing that is trying to be kind of imposed
upon us. We've had one large protest in London against that. I don't think we've
had any other kind of smaller ones. But yeah, I mean, it kind of feels like here that
we are back again a little bit. It's like, okay, here we go again. But the good news is that has
been an enormous amount of pushback against digital ID in this country. And it's really positive
that. And we really have got something here in terms of a pushback against that. So
yeah, there's every reason to be optimistic on that one. But yeah, let's just see sort of what
happens. Yeah. Yeah, that's good to hear that there's pushback because that does seem to be
the next bit of the agenda on the 2030 here is to get everybody on a digital biometric system
worldwide. And Asia seems to be going along with it quite well. China, of course, is their
first test country that's full blown social credit scores and all. And that seems to be the
model they would like to bring in everywhere, as long as we're compliant enough to allow them
to do so. So it's good that in the Western world, a lot of us are rebellious and individual enough
to think of these kind of things over in Asia, everyone's just kind of like a group mentality
go along with the new technology is the best. There's very, very little pushback to any of this
in Asia at all. And that's concerning. Is that what you experienced when you were in Thailand?
Yeah. Yeah. They just love that there's the convenience of all the new technology and
they just think of it as progress. They don't see the potential negatives and all the things
that could happen down the line. And what happens with the mass electrical outage? What happens if
you go against the government and now they can turn your digital idea off? There's a bunch of
what ifs that they don't seem to question those kind of things. They just like the idea of
progress and the new thing, the next new novel item. Yeah. That's really interesting.
Would you say that's partially the reason why you left or I mean, I know there must be a
multitude of factors. Yeah. No. No. I mean, the main reason is just more to be with family.
Yeah. Because there's when it comes to being disappointed with the types of people I find,
it's worldwide. There's good and bad, intelligent and unintelligent people
everywhere. I haven't really found any place that I thought like, oh, this place in general
is more enlightened than some other place. It's more just in pockets or in individuals
than it is in like an entire country or a town even. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Okay. All right.
You know, great sort of introduction a little bit for us both to kind of get
things starting. Shall we start off with the questions? Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
Okay. So I'll just read out this disclaimer just to make your listeners aware that what
we're about to talk about may come across as very negative and bleak, but I think it's
important to expose this reality for what it is. And what we don't want by the end of this is
for you to feel hopeless and a defeatist. So we will end this on a positive as much as we can.
Okay. So here's a nice icebreaker to get things started. Have you seen the movie Last Action
Hero? Yeah. So I haven't seen that. Okay. It is so profound. It's about a kid who
inhabits an earth realm representative of our reality and gets transported to another earth
realm via a cinema ticket. Now the difference between that realm and the one in which where
he came from is that the world he has leaped into is energetically synchronized so that the
good guys win. Now the villain from that realm gets hold of this ticket and uses it to travel
to the world in which this kid came from originally and very quickly realizes that
this is the reality where the bad guys win and there is a scene where he walks up to a random
guy and shoots him in cold blood and then shouts out loud, I just killed the man I want to confess
and he gets little or no reaction to it. Now our reality may not be as extreme as that,
but there is definitely a parallel here and I do feel that our reality is energetically
synchronized to support evil and criminals. Some people may argue that it is just people
doing bad things and nothing to do with the natural world we live in and whilst there is no
doubt there are bad people in this world, I genuinely believe that the earth works in favor
of bad doers. Do you agree and what experiences have you gone through in your life, in your own
life that supports this? That makes me also think of the movie. Have you seen American Psycho?
I've not seen that, no. In that movie, this guy who is an absolute psycho and a
homicidal serial killer maniac at the end of it, he, I don't know if you would say gains the
conscience or not, but he wants to confess similar to that and so he's trying to confess to his
murders and his lawyer and his friends and co-workers and everyone around him doesn't
even believe him even after he tries to confess at all and yeah same gets little to no reaction
to it. So I do in a way agree with what you're saying. It seems like here the rich elite psychopaths
seem to be aligned with some powerful negative spiritual power. They seem to be rewarded
for being superficial and selfish and materialistic and meanwhile like truly good selfish and
spiritual people more often than not in my experience tend to be poor, downtrodden
and suffer all sorts of ways just for trying to help and there's there's a bunch of idioms that
we've been like cliches that we've made over the years that point to this idea as well.
No good deed goes unpunished. Only the good die young. Virtue is its own punishment.
Nice guys finish last. Life isn't fair. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Even the message of the Bible seems to be basically this to me when I read it. I see
God incarnating himself onto earth to try and help everybody. The most perfect selfless person
imaginable. Ultimately what happens he gains the cult following and then he's kidnapped,
tortured and killed just for trying to help here. So how advanced, how spiritually developed,
how positive can this world truly be if God sends his son here to try and help and that's
what happens. It absolutely does seem like this is a negatively charged world. I even think that
the negative is disproportional to the positive in a bunch of ways like a thought experiment
I've presented that if you were given an hour of the most pleasurable pleasure that you can imagine
here on earth but then afterwards you would have to suffer one hour of the most diabolical medieval
torture methods would anyone with a straight face actually take that deal. I haven't found
anybody because yeah because the amount of pain possible here from some of these you know
flagellation and ripping your skin off or plucking your eyeballs out you know whatever
there's just terrible things that can be done and have been done throughout history to people
and there is no pleasure I can't imagine any pleasure that feels good enough that I would
want to endure that kind of pain yet our creator has created a realm where that is exactly what
happens I mean and I can imagine and I've heard from near-death experiencers that they feel
pleasure even more so than they've ever experienced on the best drugs here once they get out of
their body meanwhile I can I can imagine a way of pain not hurting as much as it does
you could you know have your whole arm cut off and have it just be like oops like you stubbed
your toe or something and then regrow your arm back off you know right back and there's no
no issue it doesn't hurt doesn't take any time that could be possible you know the earth and our
experience everything has been designed exactly how it is and not otherwise due to some intelligent
beings purposeful design and most people for whatever reason like you mentioned seem to think that
that being is perfect and benevolent and holy loving and to think that way you almost have to
close your mind off to certain aspects of reality or do some kind of cope or what I've termed
have a spiritual Stockholm syndrome to even be able to think that way though that is the main
you know belief system by pretty much every major world religion and even the new age
is that a loving god put us here earth is like a school where we learn lessons
and ultimately we're going to evolve and go somewhere better but I've got a lot of questions
about why if you're the creator why why create fallen disempowered beings that need to go to
school and you know and suffer through all these lifetimes to eventually evolve and then
deserve to go to some better place some heaven that you've created that then maybe they'll
they'll deserve to go there like what is this whole process if you are the creator of everything
what's the point of creating all of that and why make it there's so much suffering and confusion
because that's another big part of this is the confusion he's not we don't actually know any of
this we don't have god with a blackboard in front of the the school saying okay here's the
curriculum here's what you gotta do no we don't even have that we have to guess at all of it
and uh yeah so I mean I definitely resonate with what you said I think pain hurts more than
pleasure feels good here and there are inherent negatives and unnecessary evils here like chronic
and degenerative illnesses mental psychoses parasites natural disasters and the biggest one
that you mentioned the food chain the fact that every being has to eat the life energy of other
living things just to continue their life so the the whole thing about life here is that life has
to consume life to continue life what a dumb way to set up your system if you're a holy
benevolent perfect and loving creator if that was the case don't set up a system where life
needs to feed upon life to maintain its life you know cool yeah no that was just a beautiful
answer to that but if you notice something else people rarely die of old age uh like you always
hear like someone who's died of a disease like literally 95 percent at a time like people don't
go peace for like very rare people go peacefully it's always they die of something
hmm yeah almost always uh I don't know I that's one of my hopes is that when it is my time to go
that I don't have to suffer or go through some kind of disease I wish that of everybody that
everyone could just peacefully go either in their sleep or what you know when they wanted to
it would make more sense if if we could just out of body travel out of here and into here
at will like if this is a school why can't we leave if this isn't a prison why can't we
go out of here um you know school you go go home at the end of the day and then you come back
because you want to whereas a prison you can't and here on earth it seems that way to me it seems
more like a prison um there's people that claim that they can travel out of body but
they come right on back and they're still here um maybe some people who die are advanced
out of body travelers who make it to a better spiritual dimension and they're like
peace out there's no way I'm coming back and we would never know that I hold hope that that is
a possibility and that maybe it's easier to do something like that when you're closer to death
like the veil is a bit thinner and so you may be able to kind of exit gracefully
um if you or if you know if you have the gnosis that would be what the Gnostics say
they say the Gnostic Gnostics and Cathards are the two kind of ancient religions that are
the only two that I found that are different the Buddhism in some ways also that are different
than the prevailing world religions that all have like a benevolent loving perfect creator
the Gnosticism says that yeah there's a monad or an unknowable god
but beneath that there's a whole storyline just like in the bible where there's lesser gods
and supposedly there was this goddess called Sophia wanted to create on her own without the
help of a male and she created Yaldoboth a demiurge who then created archons and created earth and created
humans and animals and everything and supposedly to steal our light energy and so this demiurge was
more like satan than god but he wanted to be treated like god and that's why in the old
testament you see god being a jealous god and not wanting anyone to think of there being
any other gods in the Gnostic version the old testament god is this demiurge whereas the new
testament god that sent jesus here is the monad the one true unknowable god so the deception
that kind of happened with the bible and Gnosticism is that by taking out some of these
Gnostic texts like the apocryphon of john and the pistis Sophia they left us with an incomplete
version of the bible that makes it seem like the god of the old testament and the god of the new
testament are the exact same person when they are the exact opposite in every way and then we
have to have a bunch of weird cope and hypocritical explanations to try and explain why god changed
so much from one book to the next i'm getting a bit off topic but that is why yeah like Gnosticism
at early Christianity makes more sense to me than the current version of Christianity where
a lot of these essential texts have been taken out and so your context for this whole mythology has
been skewed and in a way that never made sense to me but then when reintroduced with the the
extra text extra biblical texts that Gnostic gospels makes a whole lot more sense
and it's still just mythology so i mean i don't know about all the names and places and people
and everything but as a general story for an explanation of why we're here how we're here
what this realm is how it was set up it does resonate in certain ways especially this aspect
of the the creator of this realm not being the ultimate creator and perhaps the creator of this
realm being a more negative entity and the ultimate creator being either outside of its control
or allowing him to do this or wanting us personally to find a way out of here or back to him
through Gnosis which is what the Gnostics believe. Sure and i'm glad you uh i know you said you went
off topic but i'm actually glad that you went a bit off topic then and went into Gnosticism because
that kind of leads me on to my next question anyway which where that topic was going to
arise so um great answer by the way i'd like to come back to this area of research shortly
but for now i'd like to address the dominant belief systems that are ingrained in the Flat Earth
community probably for me the most controversial being that this world was created by a loving
benevolent god who is all knowing and built this realm for the purpose of learning spiritual
development evolution and inner growth so again it was good that you you brought all those
areas like Gnosticism into that because now that really easily gets us on to this next question
so question two flat earth and the loving god paradigm now this belief has definitely been
pushed by some very prominent flat earthers who have a big social media following and they often
come out with such statements such as you can't be a flat earther if you don't believe in a creator
now my response to that is yes there is a creator but that creator is not a benevolent loving
god but rather a demi-herge who has many names but i guess the one most will be familiar
with is the one that you've already mentioned when you answer the first question which is a Gnostic
version called Yorda Bayoth and we can get into that as deep as we want but the the short summary
of that is our realities managed by malevolent entities called Archons who in turn serve the
demi-herge at Yorda Bayoth do you think the loving god concept is the general dominant
consensus of the flat earth movement and why has it been so deeply ingrained into the
belief system of that community at the exclusion of all of the possibilities yeah i do think that
is by far the general dominant consensus of the majority of flat earthers as well as pretty
much every major religion and new age belief system um but for me the concept of a holy loving
and benevolent god being solely responsible for all creation doesn't resonate with me nearly
as much as something like the Gnostic perspective which allows room for nuance and makes more much
more sense i think of like the um is a epicure it's called the epicurean trilemma and there's a
quote by epicureus epicureus um he says is god willing to prevent evil but not able then he's
not omnipotent is he able but not willing then he is malevolent is he both able and willing
then whence cometh evil is he neither able nor willing then why call him god there's like
it's called a trilemma it's more than a dilemma there's three three parts to it if god is unable
to prevent evil then he's not all powerful if he's not willing to prevent evil then he's not all good
and if he's both willing and able to prevent evil then why does evil exist and most people
or christians anyway would say satan or something or humans it's our fault but humans and or satan
were created by this god uh so ultimately the only being that has pure free will
would be the creator the ultimate creator and to say that satan this like scapegoat
created by the creator who then is responsible for all evil and negative actions oh he's
well god didn't have to create him you know god chose to create this nemesis and then blame
everything on him and or with humans they'll often say no it's us we fell we we chose something
wrong in the garden of Eden or it's due to our sin or and with that i would say it's kind of the
same issue well why create fallen beings or you know why make original sins so simple you just
oh don't eat this apple and then you eat an apple and now thousands of years of humanity is now condemned
to sin for this this one action it just seems like there's petty and an overreaction and that we
don't have nearly the amount of agency that we should have as created beings here but to
get back to your initial question it does seem like the flat earth community
they're mostly uh christians and like literalists you know the modern day version of christian not
gnostic christians very few are that um and the few that are other religions often i find
it almost seems like they're christians first and flat earth or second or or hindus first and
flat earth or second in the sense that when they come across flat earth they they see it as bolstering
their holy book like oh we can now use scientific facts and demonstrations to show another part of
our book is true because flat earth is present in pretty much every religion but i would say that's
not just to show that each religious scripture is now true every bit of each religious scriptures
true because flat earth is in it no i would say that it's because that was the prevailing dominant
worldview at the time when those scriptures were written the spinning globe heliocentric model
wasn't in any of those scriptures because it wasn't it wasn't a prevailing worldview
the geocentric flat earth was so um i kind of see it the opposite there and i prefer people to
leave religion and belief out of or at least to the side of this topic because flat earth is like
it's one of the one things you can know in this lifetime it's empirical it's demonstrable
it's scientific you can do experiments to prove it whereas various religions and the claims
made by various scriptures those are not scientific or demonstrable or empirical
in that way and when you mix the two in like their part and parcel of one the same
people who are new to the subject will often just see you as a typical christian now even
more off the walls than the than the globe-believing christians they're a flat earth christian
so they'll just listen to you even less um so yeah i i like to try and keep religious
subjects separate from i don't necessarily think flat earth and
gnosticism or anything need to go together um but as a truth or as a researcher as someone
that's interested in trying to get to the bottom of this reality those are subjects that
certainly are going to you know you're going to come across at some time as cosmology and religion
so yeah sure do you think it's a comfort thing that that uh what happens to a lot of these people
where religion acts like a filtration system for the flat earth model to go through then
like it it almost acts like a filtration system doesn't it and it's a comforting okay there
is a benevolent god and he coincides with my flat earth belief so do you think it's a bit of a comfort
thing i think all religion inevitably is a comfort thing because it's a confusing reality like i said
nobody there's no ultimate playbook or god coming and showing us things uh that's objectively
true some people think they hear voices or they think this book is god's book but it's not
objectively so you can't objectively make everyone believe that god has appeared and said something
or make everyone objectively believe that this book came from god he wrote it himself you can't
it's that's a subjective thing um and i think religion and the answers that it gives to these
really unanswerable questions we can't really know these answers to these metaphysical
questions while we're in physical bodies in a physical world um but it does give you
a feeling of security and safety it's like a blanket of beliefs that you can cover yourself
with and no longer have to worry about all these questions and all these negative things that we're
talking about too if you just have give yourself a dose of spiritual Stockholm syndrome and tell
yourself that a holy loving god is going to whisk you away to heaven and all you have to do
is thank him and believe in him um well that's another part is the belief that's the opposite
of critical thinking and questioning so if you hinge your eternal afterlife in heaven on
being unquestioning and non-critical it's quite a quite an easy way to get people to believe in
your religion isn't it just the by virtue of questioning that religion just by virtue of
having a critical thought you have to go through a whole existential crisis about whether or not
god's going to accept you into heaven now because you're questioning him and everything
now your belief comes into question do i believe hard enough and for me belief is just a weak
epistemic function to base an eternity on and i really don't think god would do that to us i
don't think he'd bestow us with critical thoughts and brains that can can analyze things and come
to logical conclusions but then want us to disband that and instead use this other function
called belief and just go go ahead with that and and only the few humans that disband their
logic and and critical thinking and go only with blind belief will make it to his special
heavenly place and everybody else will you know come back here or who knows what so uh yeah it's
comforting to think that way it's comforting to think that god is benevolent and all loving and
it's gonna whisk us away to heaven if we just believe hard enough but that has never resonated
with me and i can't just make myself believe it and i don't think a god that is omnipotent omnipresent
and omniscient would be fooled by my pretend belief in him i think he would see through
the fact that i'm just a critical thinker and a questioner and i just can't do the the
blind belief thing that seems to be required by religion nowadays right question three connection
between Gnosticism and Flat Earth i can certainly speak from my own journey and say that the
conclusions i have come to all lead to the fact that our earth realm is a prison created for
the sole purpose of harvesting negative negative low vibrational energy also called
loose energy that is factored back to the archons who then in turn recycle this energy
back into the matrix to keep it continuously running let's get a few things straight we are not
here to learn we are not here to grow we are not here to evolve we are not here to learn how
to love that one infuriates me the most but hear it all the time okay common one i believe not
a single salt at their core would choose to come into this reality where living organisms have to
trample over and feed off other living organisms for their own survival we have either been tricked
or co-est into coming here or if we chose to come here we were not given full disclosure as to what
we are coming into from your own research have you found any connection or integration of this
Gnostic viewpoint to the Flat Earth model whether it be through ancient records current
research or means of meditation to me it also makes more sense that we were tricked or coerced
into coming here than that we were given complete full disclosure about all the negatives and
of physical incarnation as for a connection or integration of the Gnostic viewpoint with the
Flat Earth model if earth is an extended level plane covered by a dome firmament which is what
the early Gnostics and many others of the time period believed then the idea that we're
entrapped in a physical prison becomes quite literal the the current model of infinite
outer space and planets and trillions of other worlds sounds much more hopeful and free
even like an infinite plane flat earth theory is similar allowing for infinite freedom and
creativity within this physical realm but if we were confined within an inescapable dome
the spiritual geography of that kind of situation should make you question why am I locked
in this world of physical strife and suffering with no escape but death and quite likely escape
isn't happening for most than either that's the message of Buddhism and Hinduism and like the
Tibetan and Egyptian books of the dead and many near-death experiencers have found that they just
get sent right back here and if you don't ascend if you don't have the correct intention or the correct
consciousness at the time of death then you just get recycled and having to come back here
anyway so in that sense a flat enclosed prison like earth in the physical realm does resonate
in the spiritual realm if we are in some kind of reincarnation soul trick soul trap
you know the we're physically trapped potentially and we're spiritually trapped potentially and I
say potentially because we're going we're talking skeptically now at this point we haven't
ventured to beyond Antarctica to touch a dome firmament or to know a hundred percent that
we're enclosed there's certain things that we can into it that we very likely are enclosed
you know just like the reverberations of thunder and the way the fixed stars are all fixed
seemingly in this one unit that moves all at once it does seem and of course all these ancient
cultures say that there's a solid vault of the sky does seem that that is a possibility that we
could be trapped in here like that and then correlate that with like I said the message from
Buddhism Hinduism Tibetan and Egyptian books of the dead and near-death experiencers
basically saying that leaving this realm isn't as easy or it's not just going to happen on its own
there's steps there's a process and it seems like very few actually escape so if that's what
we're contending with it's a very different afterlife struggle than say what contemporary
Christians think like I'm saying a lot of contemporary Christians just think I have to
believe in Jesus hard enough and I'll make it to heaven well maybe if that's if that's what you
know the afterlife holds for us but if it's actually more of a prison realm in this in this
sense what near-death experiencers often say is that a being whether Jesus if you believe in
Jesus or your great-grandfather if he was your most loved person somebody that you see as an
authority figure shows up at death and then tries to get you to reincarnate to come back to this place
in various ways if if you just think believe in Jesus and doing whatever he says is what's
going to get you to heaven then it's as simple as an archon appearing like Jesus and telling you
to step through this portal and then you can you know maybe coming right back into a womb
or whatever the case may be but point being that if you're giving your critical faculty a way to
an authority figure instead of using it yourself in your moment-to-moment reality to decide what
you're going to do next you're so much more easily manipulated and I suggest people retain that
faculty in the afterlife as well as this life the ability to think critically and analytically
has shown me more truth than blindly believing and having faith in things belief and faith
are the opposite of critical thought and I don't think it's an accident that
certain religions require that of us you know what I mean? Sure, sure. By aferminan is that like a
blanket that covers the the the flat earth model is that what we mean by afermin some sort of shield
am I understanding that right? Yeah that's the word the bible uses for the enclosure for the
covering and it seems to be usually portrayed in a dome shape but those are all things that I'm
still wondering they're still up in the air for me I'm more an empirical type person so for me
until I've touched the dome I'm not a hundred percent sure and until I've actually died or met
my maker I can't really say anything a hundred percent about it I'm not confident about these
things and I think everybody should take that stance because that's the realistic stance anything
beyond that is going beyond the bounds of our actual attainable knowledge. Sure, sure and the
concept of Yulda Bayoth and the Archons I know we can never know for sure but do you see them
as actual physical bodies that exist outside of this realm or do you see that as a metaphor
maybe for something else or do you see them or do you see Yulda Bayoth as like a conscious AI
energy? How do you perceive that? Yeah I think about that as well in my mind when I'm thinking
about these kind of concepts like I kind of waver between a disembodied consciousness a bunch
of disembodied consciousnesses vying for things and creating things or sometimes I'll give them
angelic or demonic shapes and imagine them that way I don't I do wonder about that like what
you know like Sophia and they're given male and female aspects as well so I wonder what
they actually mean when they're mythologizing these concepts are these actual beings and it's
not supposed to be mythology or are these personified aspects of consciousness I tend to think
usually more along those lines but it's pretty esoteric and difficult to grasp either way.
Yeah, yeah I guess it's how you personally perceive it really isn't it as well but I'm
glad you mentioned a little bit about there about rain carnating because that kind of
does lead to my next question so question four the soul trap the common theme of the soul trap
is that after we die we are led into a bright light by a loved one or someone who was close to you
the result is that you are tricked into reincarnating back to earth without being given full disclosure
of the consequences that come along with this choice however my personal research has led
me to the conclusion that not all souls reincarnate back to our earth realm due to the following reasons
a if every soul was reincarnated back to earth there would be a massive explosion in population you
are talking billions upon billions of souls being reincarnated over and over again b some
souls remain as earthbound spirits or become ghosts which can be detected in politicized
cases or hauntings do you think it is possible that some souls reincarnate not necessarily
back into our earth plane but beyond the flat earth ice wall where there may be other civilizations
or even into other parallel universes slash dimensions or realities yeah there's some speculation
totally I mean could the creation of souls and individuated conscious units be something as
simple as putting together a new model on an assembly line at a factory or are there already
a set number of souls pre-existing to choose from or can they just come into existence whenever
they're out of stock and a new couple has sex on earth I would I would guess there's a huge surplus
of souls somewhere or that they can be easily created because we've never heard of a time
when all of humanity just stopped being able to get pregnant I would make for an interesting
premise for a movie though the spirit world runs out of souls so nobody can get pregnant anymore
no I don't I don't know I thought about that exact thing before whether there are a number of
pre-existing souls that were already created or can they are they just like created on an assembly
line at will it calls into question the very notion of what is a soul or what is
individuated consciousness some people separate it into spirit soul and body and so that they
make a difference between the spirit and the soul and some Gnostics I've even heard say that
like the spirit would be the element that comes from the one true a noble God and that's where
we get our rebelliousness that's where we get love that's where we get certain aspects that weren't
given to us by the demiurge whereas they would say that the soul and the physical body and
this whole physical world was created by the demiurge and the implant that we get
in our consciousness from the demiurge is ego and ego self-centeredness and selfishness and
whatever other trappings go along with the ego or what is meant by that and that gets back into
that whole mythology thing it's like is this are these beings somewhere or are these aspects of
consciousness could the demiurge just be another word for ego and a part of our consciousness
that is negative and then the other like Sophia philosophy comes from this idea as Sophie is
wisdom and philosophy is the love of wisdom so could that just be a metaphor so Sophie as
wisdom is breaking off from the one ultimate consciousness but then without some other aspect
needed maybe intelligence or I don't know something something else that wisdom needs
it created and it had a what they say that this creation was a broken mirror image of the pluroma
the pluroma being the heavenly realm that they came from and that would also explain how people
will say like well this realm isn't all negative the nature is beautiful and there's love and
and there's certain positive aspects here of course but that that could be a because
those elements come from the one unknowable god those come from your spirit those versus
the ego and your soul which may come from another aspects of this this created dimension
sure sure I mean I always wonder sometimes that if the nostics in the cathars had this
knowledge like if you're a nostic and you know this like why would you have children because
you're just creating a vessel for the soul to come into like I know it's a bit of a weird thought
I know but you just like stop having children because you'd want to well a lot a lot of them
did I mean that was it was a thing that the cathars especially they were seen as
anti-natalists and didn't have children and especially interesting that a sect that
would essentially breed itself out you know the disbreed itself out of existence because
they're not even having children that was the first group that the catholic crusade the inquisition
sent to to disband was the cathars so like the the inquisition didn't start for muslims or
or anything like that the very first people they used that on was this group of christians
that believed differently than the predominant christians and their belief was this this
anti-natalist belief that bringing new souls to this world was a bad thing and that we shouldn't
do it and and that what they called the rex mundi was the leader of this world which is
essentially satan and that we were supposed to detach from all material things similar to buddhism
they preached detachment from the material world and even our physical bodies so that we would return
to the spiritual plane and they say that it was our attachments and addictions and base
desires that kept us coming back here and that's similar to buddhism as well so the
recommendation for that line of thought you know if you believe that way if you think that way then
the way to move on from here is to have non-attachment to physical things and to not desire things in
the physical world and to just let it go basically and so that when death comes there's
no bit of our consciousness that's trying to come back here or retain something here and we're just
totally ready to go on to the next thing that's another possibility it's tough to like i said
there's no curriculum so we don't know what answers to give on the multiple choice test
when it comes time it's almost like oh a b or c i don't know well we'll try this one
sure now there's a great answer none of the less okay question five fraudulent soul trap
experts with nosticism and the soul trap concept gaining more traction over the last i'd say
maybe two to three years especially there also seems to be more and more so-called experts in
the field of this research as many mystics psychics out of body and near-death experiences
claim that they have the answer as to how we escape the soul trap we have podcasters such
as jeff marahoe interview such people now i have a real problem with some of what these people
have to say for the following reasons one many of them claim that their way is the right way
two there is no coherence between these people most of them will agree that we live in a simulation
but the deeper it goes down the rabbit hole the more their opinions differ three to sum it up
they can't all be right i've heard some of them say such things like we have come here to learn
how to love which is an absolute lie in my opinion we have awareness of true love before we
get here it is after we come here into this realm thanks to the indoctrination system we unlearn
that version of love and replace it with the matrix's version of love especially with the
jeff marahoe interviews if you listen to 50 of them you will be no better off compared to when
you started now do you think this is a deliberate attempt to confuse disorientate and derailers
by the archons and in your opinion what is the ultimate and most plausible answer as to how
we escape the soul trap i've noticed that same thing with channelers out of body experiencers
and other so-called experts on those kind of subjects it like i said it's essentially just
anecdotal hearsay because the expert can never be physically tested or proved wrong
about their assertions so how can we know if anyone living has actually found the
correct answer to transcending the soul trap we can't but gnostics are so called because their
belief was that through gnosis or spiritual knowledge that we would be able to ascend from here
in spiritual Stockholm syndrome i have four chapters outlining what i found through my
research and understanding to be keys to transcending the soul trap that being intention
revoking soul contracts recapitulation and preparing our consciousness for death
through practices like out of body experiences psychedelics lucid dreaming and meditation
and again these are just ideas but it makes sense to me that the main thing that we would need
to transcend this this world would be the intention to do so the intention not to
come back here and that feeds into what i just said about detachment and non-desire
so you can't have desire for material things in the physical world or be attached to certain
people or places or things if your ultimate intention is to go to heaven or to go somewhere
else to um to not come back here um so fixing that intention certainly would be paramount
and then people talk about there being soul contracts i don't know if this is a thing or
not but if we agreed to come here potentially and maybe we agreed to have our memory wiped
because if we did reincarnate here if we have come back here many times
i don't remember it most everybody else doesn't remember it except for a few people
that have been scrutinized and there's been many many volumes of books written about them
that do remember past lives and can show to painstaking degree that they remember details
that have been confirmed by people still living so i do think reincarnation
uh has been evidenced um over and over again just like dr ian stevensson for example has six
volumes with like four thousand cases of reincarnation where he's traveled to these places and
met with these children that remember aspects of their past life and he'll like go to their
old village and they'll be able to direct them give them directions even though they've
never traveled there and once they get there they're like oh i remember this place and oh
that's the post office and then they'll find people and they know their nicknames and uh no
stories and things that they there's no way they could ever know of these people they've
never met and the the people that they meet believe them they're like oh my gosh you are
my husband reincarnated there's so many stories like that it's a very interesting subject to
look into but so if that is the case that we're reincarnated over and over again
and you don't want to be and that is the message in buddhism and hinduism is that
you should want to ascend from here we are reincarnated here as a failure the success
what happens in a success is that you don't reincarnate here
um so if we had a contract that okay i'll reincarnate and you can wipe my memory and
then i have to start all over again i would say that you weren't given full disclosure
as is necessary in contracts you weren't shown the complete scope of what physical suffering and
multiple lifetimes would be like before signing such a contract so part of intention would be to
revoke any of those contracts and even in our contract law not being given full disclosure
is reason enough for termination and i would think it should be the same in the spiritual realm
if we weren't given full disclosure about what we were signing up for well that contract
should be null and void and we can hopefully maybe prepare our consciousness in those other
ways i said like meditation lucid dreaming psychedelics or out-of-body experiences
because these are ways that we can disassociate our consciousness from this physical realm
so when you're in meditation it's just all about your consciousness you're not thinking
anything you're not thinking anything at all and you're not doing anything in the physical realm
likewise psychedelics they have this way of taking you out of the physical reality
and bringing you to sometimes a whole different dimension like a spiritual world with
elves and leprechauns and stuff similar to lucid dreaming which is being conscious
while dreaming so i wonder if the after-death state might be something like that
or out-of-body experience which is also similar it's a it's a dream-like state
where your consciousness is separated from your physical body and you only have a certain level
of control like when you're lucid dreaming you can control whatever thing you are actively
thinking about because you know you're dreaming you're like okay i'm going to go for a swim now
and then you're swimming but then suddenly maybe a waterfall appears and you're like i didn't
mean for that to to happen and you might if you're conscious enough you can just get
rid of the waterfall and make a nice calm river again but often what happens is you start to slowly
fall into your dream consciousness and so instead of just getting rid of the waterfall
you'll start swimming against the current to try not to get to the waterfall and so you'll
slowly become the dream character again and lose the power of lucidity that you should
have had and you originally had in your dream i always have these two problems i'll either
battle either happen or my lucidity will increase to the point that i just wake up
because i'm so aware of the fact that i'm just laying there dreaming that i can't really
maintain the dream anymore i'm just kind of awake now so lucid dreaming has been interesting
for me in that sense that it's very difficult to maintain balance of lucidity and not wake
up completely or fall back into the dream so that i'm no longer actually lucid and then i just
it just goes back into being a normal old dream like every old night so anyway i say all that just
to say that potentially me practicing these kind of things doing these exercises with my
consciousness and getting accustomed to how consciousness works outside of physical daily
life is probably a good training ground for when we die and our physical consciousness
is separated from our physical and our consciousness is separated from our physical body
sure sure um have you noticed in these past life memories that like especially with children
and what have you that they remember the past lives of of of that life but they don't remember
what i cared in between the two lives like do you find that interesting that that okay we can remember
the life but they don't remember in between that life and this life like the transition phase like
i've not read any accounts of anyone who has any memory of that do you do you know of any
anyone who's researched it to that degree or it's is does that just not exist yeah none of
the ones i've read have gotten into that i've heard like Dolores Cannon and some hypnosis people
they've supposedly hypnotized people back to the between life states and so you've got people
under hypnosis giving accounts of what they say happened between lives but again that to me that's
who knows what's going on there they could just you could be tapping into just their
imagination and they're weaving a story as far as the reincarnation children who are
they're able to scientifically verify these kind of things that's more voracious in my eyes but
no i don't see them talking about the between life state nor do i see them talking about
previous lifetimes before their last one so at most they're only ever able to remember
their last incarnation which also speaks to the idea that there may be some kind of memory
wipes that we're supposed to and it is probably successful for every other lifetime before that
because they're not retaining memories of lifetime after lifetime though there are ideas in like
hindu religion of the akashic records the idea that all experience and all of history
everything that's ever happened all people is recorded somewhere and able to be re-experienced
and relived kind of makes sense to me that if an intelligent being is going to design this
entire place and throw people in here you might as well record the whole thing so that we can
go back and look at it so that's that's a possibility as well i'm not sure though
sure no i mean i when i reflect on my own life uh i turn vegan when i was 37 i'm 43 now
and i i always sort of reflect on my own life and and think to myself if i chose to come here why
would i choose to pay particular animals for food for say 36 or 37 years of my life why would i
choose that because you hear people say you chose to come here it was your choice to come
here well if someone gave me an offer and says you get to go to earth you get to experience all
this entertainment all these wonderful things nature and family but you here's the cake well
you have to pay to kill animals for food for so many years of your life do you want in i'd be
like get out of here i'm not going there why would i choose that i'd be like well hang on
them in it you know i'm not contributing to that so you know i this is the thing i
always say people at their core i can't understand how anyone would choose
unless they've been tricked as what you said earlier i i would agree with you and say it's
more trickery as well yeah no um tony sears i think uh coined the soul trick versus the
soul trap a lot of people don't care for the idea of being trapped and that terminology
personally i don't care what you call it it's the the concept is what matters but yeah
that were tricked into being come here does kind of seem likely as well because in near death
experiences like i said the the beings of light or whatever just seemed to be telling us what we
want to hear is to get us to come back here so it's more of a trick but there may be an
element of it that is a trap or a prison in the sense of uh some people they
they're trying to be coerced into coming back and they don't want to come back and they're
quite adamant and then eventually they just are forced back so there are cases like that most
people it's simple to just coerce them into coming back here tell them you've got a mission
that isn't complete yet on this life you've got children what would it be like if they don't
have mommy or daddy and that's enough for people to be sent right back in the near death
experiences but a few people don't want to and they rage against it and they find themselves
back here anyway and so it's a possibility that potentially we are forced back here if we can't
be coerced back here and it could be a much more of a fight to get out than even i recognize if
that's the case i don't even know how it would be if there's powerful spiritual beings that first
try to coerce us into coming back but then if they can't do that they use their power to
force us into coming back then it would seem like we need to get on our spiritual training
ground right away after we die start lifting spiritual weights and hope that we can take them on
if that's the case for sure that's a scary thought okay all right so moving on to question six
okay an archonic plan gone wrong one question that regularly pops up is why would they spend
thousands of years and work so hard to achieve this goal of the new world order if you'll debate
off and his archons are going to create a slave matrix reality why not create it how they
want from the get go rather than creating it half-ass and then work so damn hard to manipulate
it to how they want it to an end goal now my own theory is that it was originally intended
to be a new world order slave reality from the beginning but it's possible that something
went wrong in the creation process or some alternate energy intervened causing mass disruption
resulting in a stone age version of the matrix causing them to be in a situation where they
are having to work extremely hard to achieve a peak goal in the movie the matrix agent smith
says that the original matrix was designed so that everyone would be happy but the system
wouldn't work but if it was created this way then no one would have any reason to question reality
what is your answer to this i always think of that exact scene in the matrix with reference to this
idea but i always think of it in the opposite of how he says it because people will always have
the same objection when you discuss the abundant inherent and ultimately unnecessary negatives
present in this reality they'll talk about the beauty of nature and sunsets and flowers and
puppies and bunnies and insist that this can't be a hellish prison realm because it's not 100
percent negative and if they tried to create a lush farm that was nothing but fire brimstone
torture and suffering 24 7 everyone would achieve gnosis and know to escape instinctively
right but so by incorporating just enough positive elements into our experience here
it becomes easy to fool the vast majority you know just the fact that nature is beautiful
and we have love in our hearts for example is enough for people to think that this creation must
be that of a benevolent and holy loving creator but that doesn't take into account like i said
that we could be like the the agnostic version says that our consciousness comes from the one
true unknowable god so the love that we feel in our hearts does come from that good place
and the that this realm was a broken mirror image of the pluroma of heaven so heaven all the
all the good things that you might see here could be part of that broken mirror image
and the negative things have been added into it so that could explain the existence of all the
positive things here and like is it similar to that matrix quote if everything was just negative
100 all the time and every it was obvious to everyone i don't know that the idea of a lush
farm or as the agnostic gospel say extracting our light energy i don't know that they'd be able
to extract our light energy if we knew that we were just in a suffering torture realm 24 7 so it
helps the system to have a veneer of positivity and goodness so that it fools the majority of
people especially if you wanted to reincarnate and actually want to come back here but ultimately
like i said pain is more painful than pleasure is pleasurable so this idea that this is
some benevolent loving creation just falls to pieces with that and the food chain the fact
that everything needs to eat the life out of everything else just to stay alive everything
it becomes a psychopathic domain you know we could just be given natural nutrients
or we could you know there's a bunch of ways that we could survive without the way that it's
set up here but it's purposely been set up in this way so that we have to kill each other
and eat the life we can't even kill each other and stock stock it up we have to kill we have to
ingest recently deceased life energy right so we have to keep killing things all the time
and eat the life energy that we just killed so that we can stay alive in this realm how on
earth is that the setup of a holy loving and benevolent creator it sounds like the setup
of the exact opposite and the veneer of positivity and beauty that nature has
is just that and nature isn't even that beautiful if you are stuck alone not in society in modern
society with people around you the state of nature is quite brutal you would likely be
starving you'd be suffering through the elements rain and everything the mosquitoes
and eventually you'd probably just get eaten by a bear one night when you're trying to sleep
there's something like that I mean that that's the state of nature or you starve to death
because it's very difficult to find enough food or to grow yourself enough food in various
climates the state of nature is not all beauty there's quite a bit of you know
negativity and suffering inherent in that picturesque landscape that people like to
kind of have a rosy rosy view of yeah I remember when I was younger and me and my
brother were playing in the garden and we caught a spider catching a fly in its web
and the spider was wrapping its web around the fly and I said to my brother gosh we've
got to save the fly because otherwise it's going to die and get eaten and my brother said no stop
if you save the fly the spider will die and even then I got I was really confused as a child I'm like
okay hang on a minute okay so if I save the fly the spider dies because the spider doesn't eat
if we save if we if we do it the opposite way around then then the other insect dies so
and even then I was like I'm confused to what this reality is like what kind of conscious mindset
would create a reality where one it's it's it's it's it's as you just pointed out it's not even
peacefully it's it's literally like in style isn't it well said question seven follow up to question
six I think one of the reasons or maybe the main reason that the original matrix was not designed
so that everyone would be happy is because the system feeds on polarities as well as loose energy
if you take a step back and observe the many polarities of our world you'll see it is rampant
in this respect just to name a few examples we have rich poor beauty ugly life death pleasure
pain short tall dry wet the list goes on and I think the countless polarities also strengthen
the matrix because a realm that has two points to oscillate between is a vibrating reality
oneness does not vibrate it just is and our world is a vibrating one ranging from the heart beating
right through to the night turning into day and vice versa do you think achieving a sense of
stillness and detachment from the vibrating physical world could possibly be the answer to
escaping the soul trap and returning to the one the infinite right yeah that was I did mention that
earlier you did you already answered that question I mean we can skip that one if you want to you
did kind of say anything else to add to that one anyway right so I do think achieving a sense of
stillness and detachment in the form of meditation and stoicism or Buddhism are helpful
but I'm weary of any concept of returning to the one the infinite sounds a bit
more to my liking the infinite is meaning that there could be an infinite amount of
individuated consciousnesses when people talk of the one though I worry and wonder about
is that another form of deception in a sense or is that actually what I would want
in the sense of if there is one originating consciousness and I am a individuated aspect of
that one well currently anyway I I enjoy being me and my individuated aspect of the one consciousness
and the idea of just dissolving myself to go back to the one maybe eventually I might think
that that's a good idea but currently that doesn't sound like something I would like to do and what I
would like to do if possible is maintain my autonomy and my individuated consciousness
and what I would hope and love to happen is something similar to the movie what dreams
may come with Robin Williams where in the afterlife realm everybody is just kind of
a co-creator of infinite dream spaces and so you can create your own realms and dimensions and
worlds and invite other people to come in and co-create with you if you don't like it you can
go somewhere else and you know it's very free and everybody was powerful and had autonomy
and agency in the afterlife and was creators themselves instead of just being created beings
I have this real issue with being a lowly created being and not knowing my creator or having any
knowledge of the creation itself and being able to reverse and go back and see how that all
happened and understand it I feel like inherently we should all be creators ourselves in that
sense and that we should have the ability to create our own worlds and then there's nobody
responsible but us then I wouldn't have any beef with any entity that I don't know about
the whole beef would be with me and some people say that that could be what is going on is that
in essence you are God and the whole soul trap is you tricking yourself into believing
you're an individuated consciousness when in reality you are ultimately just part of the one
and that does make sense to me I mean you know ultimately we must come from some originating
point or potentially like you said an infinity which to me actually sounds even more appealing
because infinity is open-ended and free whereas oneness oneness is enclosed it's solid it's
already done with doesn't seem as freeing to me it seems like it could be a dominating
aspect I don't necessarily want to be one with the one if the one doesn't agree with everything
I agree with and I doubt he does otherwise there'd be no reason to have individuated consciousness
so I'm happy with my personalized individuated consciousness for now and don't really want to
go back to the one unless I can be you know persuaded in some some way that is beyond my
knowledge at the moment sure no I find that very interesting that's that's really good
um okay question eight why the lie disorientation perhaps since we are on a still earth possibly
a fragment you did mention this earlier you know I'll read out the question anyway just
in case you've got anything additional to add but possibly a fragment got detached from the
original I was going to say one but let's let's call it infinite okay all right we'll use
a word anyway the original infinite the original infinite reality got converted to serve the
archonic matrix system do you think the intention to make people believe we are on a spinning ball
is an attempt to keep us disorientated and ungrounded from our foundation because if you
think about it if we believe we are on a still earth we can achieve a sense of stillness and
calmness which in itself can possibly be a path to going back to the infinite maybe this indoctrination
of making us believe we are on a spinning ball whilst has many facets as to the reasons why
it's been imposed upon us definitely puts us in a state of disorientation constant movement
and unbalance flat earthers who are advocates of their loving god concept will say they are
trying to hide god but we've covered that ground so we won't go there but um do you have
anything to add to that yeah like the spinning globe and the whole heliocentric model going four
different motions simultaneously in different directions keeps us in constant upheaval always
on the go never still and it's incredibly disorientating to make people believe such
things totally contrary to their senses because none of that is happening as far as we can tell
as far as we can tell we're motionless and everything in the sky is revolving over and around us
and so making their basic they're making us senseless and replacing our common sense
everyday lived experience of the world with hearsay from assumed authorities and that is such a huge
and impactful power play but people act like it doesn't even matter they say what does it
matter if the earth's what well it matters because you have now chosen to believe argument from authority
over your own senses and lived experience of the world how how much more impactful could
anything be you've become a senseless being that no longer believes your own lived experience of
the world because neil de grass tyson told you that you're spinning around and you know
you're going around the sun and the moon's going around us and all this stuff and because
you have to just believe it because it's nowhere apparent you can't prove any of these things
that they're telling you it's all based on argument from authority and hearsay from
supposed astronauts and stuff like this or just excuses that they've programmed into us
since our third grade textbooks about sticks and shadows or you know why you don't fall
off the bottom of a ball because there's a magical force that sucks you into it and
all these little things that when you tell somebody them at such a young age when they're
questioning the world and then you shut down that natural state of questioning with all these
excuses then if later on in adulthood you hear somebody else asking those same
childish questions that you had shut down earlier psychologically you tend to do the same thing
you'll you'll revert back to that time and you'll project on to your own young self
like that teacher and you'll start spouting all those excuses and shutting down this naive
adult flat earth or trying to give you a new worldview with all your old excuses that you
learned in in grade school because again we've been made senseless we've been made to not even
agree with our own experience we feel motionless 24 seven our entire life we've never felt
the slightest bit of motion yet apparently we're spinning like a thousand miles per hour
on the world's axis you see the stars the sun and moon revolving over and around
I mean everybody nobody experiences the earth revolving backwards away from so a sunset
isn't really the sunsetting it's the earth revolving backwards nobody experiences that
but we somehow believe that over time because we were taught it as children and all the other
adults around you were taught it as children and now they believe it so to break out of that
mold and start questioning these things that are supposedly consensus and set in stone we've
we've known them for thousands of years blah blah blah makes you the absolute crazy and childish one
that nobody wants to even engage with because but well ultimately if you are convincing enough
and convince them to become a flat earth or well now they're the childish crazy one
that can no longer be invited to family meetings or whatever you know so people don't want to
they don't want it to be true you flat earth people think that flat earth is a grift that's
what I hear all the time you're a grifter you're trying to make money off of people
with the flat earth really you think that I came up with the least popular belief
in ever that nobody wants to hear and I'm just doing it so I can make a lot of money like there's
a lot of money in telling people stuff that nobody even wants to listen to now it's obviously
the opposite if you think about it NASA alone there's government space agencies in like 12 or
13 countries now NASA makes 70 million dollars a day from taxpayer money that they're forced
to pay because it's a government agency it's the same with China and India and everywhere else that
has a state government sponsored space agency it's funded by the tax money of the population
that they're forced to pay them so talk about a grift space the globe heliocentrism that's the
grift but people are so bought into the grift that when a truth teller comes along and tells
them the opposite they're convinced that that's what the grift is even though it makes absolutely no
sense nobody believes it there's no money in it the money is in what everyone already believes
and it's forced money you don't even get the choice to pay for space exploration you're forced to
pay for it wow yeah and you know for the amount of years that I've been into conspiracy research
as I said my position on flat earth before was okay look I'm open to the possibility if it's
flat if it isn't it isn't and the same attitude as most people are look I've still got to go to
work on Monday so what difference does it make to me but as soon as I became a flat earth I
realized personally I felt different so I thought hang on a minute there is something more to this
and and I'm wondering like you know the cult that controls the planet they know how our bodies
work your belief systems control your DNA and your genes so if your beliefs your your your
genes and your and your and your body responds to your beliefs so if you believe in that you're on
a spinning round spherical ball then that communicates to your DNA and and I think it
causes that inner conflict with your body as well because your senses are in conflict with what
what your beliefs are which then goes out to all your DNA which is which is then telling you
well hang on a minute I don't experience this so there could be that element in it as well oh
yeah and the non-spiritual there's the element of atheism also in it of course where they have this
big bang that creates everything out of nothing so you no longer need to have a god or any kind of
intelligent purposeful creation it's just purposeless and unintelligence and everything
just explodes for no reason and in their model not only does the big bang happen but the big
crunch happens and the the sun eventually will explode and the earth will eventually
die and so and there's meteors and stuff that are going to crash into us and so there's constant
dangers present in their model that must be felt in our DNA they must be felt deep within us when
you believe that you were created by nothing for no reason and then one day the sun's just
going to explode and all human ingenuity and achievements and for not that philosophical
worldview is completely nihilistic and that's what they're pumping into us with this cosmology
is that nihilistic worldview and everything that goes along with it like hedonism and selfishness
and materialism which is the very type of world that they've created around us to
enjoy you know if you can do so and if you are on the flat earth if you get off that spinning
globe atheistic nonsense well suddenly yeah you realize that this is a intelligently created
designed place there is purpose you are still as well you're not off kilter and off your
footing all the time thinking you're spinning around thousands of miles per hour you know
that you're just sitting there just like everything's just like it appears you know it brings back
your own personal power to just people that trust your senses people i mean i don't know
how many percentage of people walking around they don't even trust their senses they trust
their senses to cross the street and to sit on the chair and not fall off it and everything
but when it comes to the biggest things that our senses perceive they think the exact opposite
oh no no the the sun the moon they're not exactly the same size the sun is 400 times bigger than the
moon don't you see it uh no well that's because it's also 400 times farther away and so they just
seem to look exactly the same size from your faulty perspective says my friend who's never
been to the moon or the sun he's just believing neil degrasse tyson who gave him this explanation
for why his senses are wrong and then he's telling me your senses are wrong eric don't you they're just
with the wrong just like my senses the the astronomers told me so well believing your
senses might not be as crazy as they want you to think it is and uh that's the main message
of the flat earth and once you do start believing your senses you see that yeah you are motionless
yeah everything is revolving over and around us and this idea that a godless big bang created
everything and then a big crunch one day is just gonna dissolve everything randomly for no reason
well that doesn't make much sense but then you get new metaphysical questions which are the
ones we're talking about which is that intelligent purposeful creator what is his true nature
and what is his purpose for this earth and that that is quite a question
sure no absolutely brilliant great answers um okay question nine again you did touch on this earlier
but uh okay detachment fragment or created from ground up the creation of this reality is definitely
a hot topic of debate according to the Gnostic scriptures if i'm not mistaken i'm not claiming
to be an expert in this it's just what i've sort of picked up here and there but um that uh
according to the Gnostic scriptures our reality was created as a fake copy of the original matrix
i personally think there are either of two possibilities here one our reality was created
from ground up to mimic the original matrix but with its own encoding or two a fragment
was taken from the original matrix and that piece was decoded to suit the agenda of
yulder baoth and his harkons to enslave the living organisms that would inhabit it this would
certainly explain the glimpse of good and high vibrational energy that is experienced in this
reality because we have been detached from the ultimate true source uh i've got one written
all of these questions i'm going to replace them all with the infinite so the infinite
but some of its characteristics and attributes are still here which of the two possibilities
are you in favor of or do you have a third explanation for this
the robert menroh luci farm idea sounds a lot like number one and the gnostic view is more like
number two and i personally don't have an inkling either way but i do have these serious questions
like i was saying about if this is the only reality available and why we've incarnated here
is this the only place in all of the universe in all dimensions and all existence
or are there other places besides here are some of those places better and if so
why would we willingly choose to come here instead i find it an insult to my intuition
to assume that this place is the best place in all of this all of existence or the best
possible place that god could create and that there's nowhere better than this nowhere we're
suffering sickness death disease natural disasters and a perpetual food chain of life
eating itself doesn't exist nope couldn't create that this is the best i could do like
that just doesn't make any sense to me so what does make sense is that there is something
better you know a heaven or at the very least the ability for me to be a creator or a co-creator
of my own experience that's what i hope for that's what makes sense to me it just doesn't even make
sense to me that there could be god there can be an entity intelligent and powerful enough to
create this entire reality and all these experiences but not be able to create it any better than
this or without all of these negative caveats that seem quite unnecessary if you were a powerful
creator come on you are the only entity with agency and everything you create you are responsible
for it you can't pass it off onto satan or the humans you created and be like it's your fault
but that's that's what people seem to to buy nowadays oh sure wow yeah now i absolutely agree
with you on that one okay question 10 the casino effect now you did talk about this earlier but
it's just to expand on this area a little bit more so one of the counter arguments to the
gnostic vision of our reality is often expressed by people who will state the following it's
not all that bad nature is beautiful i like it here yes i go through sadness at times
but generally i'm happy to be alive and love my family i'm living the life of my dreams and
i am grateful for what i have life is precious you should live every day as if it were your last
and there are positive things to experience here common one i hear all the time if you hadn't
had gone through the hardships of your past you would not be the person you are today i'll
tell you what if my memory wasn't wiped every time i reincarnated maybe i can be the person
i want to be from birth rather than from my mid 30s or 40s that would be nice um but anyway
in my opinion the good that is experienced here is what i call the casino effect so just to explain
if you went into a casino and everybody lost money you'd know it was rigged so it is deliberately
engineered so some people win and others lose to give it the illusion of authenticity i think
you'll deburr has to allow 20 of happiness high high vibrational energy to be integrated into this
reality because if every single person experienced continuous unhappiness then everybody would figure
out the plot so it is deliberately engineered so some experience sadness others happiness some
rich some poor etc to sell the illusion of its false or false authenticity another observation
i have noticed is that happiness has to be paid for and it is momentary temporary
whilst unhappiness comes in space it is free and easier to inflict upon others do you agree with
that line of thinking and what would you add to this i know you did talk about this earlier but
anything to expand on that i guess yeah that's a great point with the happiness and unhappiness
i mean there's a
illness known as chronic depression many people suffer from it and where it's basically you're
sad all the time an underlying sadness that doesn't go away for a long period of time
i've never heard of anyone that has chronic happiness
wow it wouldn't be a an illness but even whatever whatever it was it would be noticeable
and would be an interesting thing to see if somebody could chronically be happy even through
all of life's vicissitudes and especially the negatives would they really just continue being
happy chronically like that but it seems to make sense that in a realm that the negatives
outweigh the positives as i would say or the the pain outweighs the pleasure that there would
be such a thing as chronic depression that many many people experience also chronic anxiety
about the future what's what what new bad things are going to happen right depression is for the
past and anxieties for the future but we don't have chronic excitement and for the future
and chronic happiness in the present um that would be cool i would like to experience a bit
and if we if you did it would be through some extreme effort on your own part it certainly
wouldn't come about on its own like these bouts of depression and anxiety seem to do people
don't even know where they're coming from they spend years in therapy trying to figure out the
root of all of it meanwhile happiness is so fleeting and just comes seemingly of its own
accord and these moments that rarely accrue and like i said they're not even as pleasurable
as the most painful moments are painful so they're not even worth it yeah hundred percent now it is
something i think about all the time as well there's such an unbalance between the two
something you you talked about earlier about um not quite um when we use away the one that's
something you're not quite uh in favor of using uh did you ever read the account of David taking
ayahuasca and he claimed to hear voices of the one uh he was communicating with him and i oh i can't
remember this lady's name but there was another researcher in the field of reptilians who came
out and said no that wasn't oneness at all talking to him that was our cons disguised as
oneness uh communicating with him and um it it was quite interesting have you come across
that that story yes i've heard that that story that he's told yeah yeah in his books um
but you know yeah like this voice uh claiming to be one the oneness and um and then he came out
and said oh you know oneness doesn't have a problem with these elites you know he could take her well
i tell you what if he doesn't he's certainly buying his time you know it had like thousands and
thousands of millennia of evil corrupt kings and governments yeah i'm like well and you know
you know in your own time but anyway i don't know you just brought back that thought in my head um
okay so uh that's question okay question 11 follow up to question 10 uh okay so yeah
i mean it's like being in a prison and the warden tells you well at least you've got a toilet
meals every day and some fresh air every now and again you should be grateful to be alive
but you are still trapped within a prison cell just as we are trapped inside of our biological
bodies tuned into a holographic earth prison now let's say this is something recently that i've
been thinking about actually um let's say you're living the life of your dreams you have everything
that you want in need you have wealth valuable friendships and the partner of your dreams would
you be content with having all of those things knowing full well that there are others living in
lack because i i certainly would not be satisfied with that no matter no matter how much i have uh
i would be uncomfortable knowing that there is someone else living in lack and there is an incredible
amount of unbalance in this world between happiness and unhappiness between the rich and
poor etc we are so conditioned to focus on that i and i don't like it when people say i'm lucky or
that that person is lucky why should you be lucky over everybody else it's egoistical self-centered
and focuses on the eye do you feel the same yeah exactly that makes perfect sense like
how could if you have empathy and compassion anyway how can you be totally content with
all the great things that you may have in your life if all around you everyone is suffering and
experiencing negative things especially if you're hoarding some of the things that are causing
them to have to do it like a lot of these these rich people are doing the way the
monetary system is set up there's only a certain amount of currency that can go around
and the more you stockpile yourself when it gets into the billionaire level at this point
you're you've hoarded more wealth than you can even spend in a lifetime
meanwhile a bunch of other people that you could have that one way or another it could be distributed
to them um could at least live a better life you have to cut yourself off you have to be
disconnected and unempathetic to have that version of happiness and is that really happy like
what even is that psychopathic happiness i guess and is that what yeah is that what god wants
he wants psychopathic happy people and everyone else to just be depressed all the time but even
even with that psychopathic happiness um imagine it this way so you you get what you said you
all the wealth you want everything you want you live in the life of your dreams all the
friends the partner of your dreams and and you don't even care that everybody else doesn't
have it well well eventually you're gonna lose all those things too right because that's
the nature of this world all of those that money eventually you're not gonna have it all of your
friends are gonna die partner of your dreams is gonna die you're gonna die everything that you
accumulated that made you so happy that made you feel on top of the world and we're living
the life of your dreams is going to be ripped away from you slowly and painfully
like that that's the nature of this world and so even that person that you mentioned
that's living that gets to live the the perfect happy life of their dreams
ultimately they're going to be crushed and you know diseased and die like everyone else
and everything around them as well so whether they can enjoy their psychopathic version of
happiness where they're happy and everyone else is unhappy ultimately they're going to be unhappy
as well it's got to how I see it in operas it's always a sad ending and everyone dies at the end
because that's the truest that's the truest nature of of an actual life lived here is that
they're all tragedies ultimately weed and everyone we know dies in the end it's it's
you never get the happy ending in modern movies that you know you write off into the sunset
with your love that's halfway through the story like you're saying here the person that
live lives the life of their dreams continue watch the sequel you know what happens at the
end of the actual movie it's a lot sadder than when they chose to end it sure sure now
you hear it right on the nail on the head there absolutely fantastic okay so moving
on to question 12 the law of attraction baloney and the parent code concept one topic I would
like to put forward to yourself is this idea that we create our own reality now I am totally
opposed to this concept and from my own experiences I conclude that we certainly
do not create our own reality I'm just talking from my experience in our recent times there has
been this push from what I call fake self-help coaches on this concept selling the idea that our
thoughts create our reality through work such as the law of attraction the secret
permitting the idea that everything happens in your life is your fault because you attracted it
we often hear ask the universe and it will be given I am aware that certain people have cured
illnesses like cancer through meditation and controlled their health with their thoughts now
this I can get behind because I have experienced this myself and have read countless testimonies
from people who have influenced their biological state through their thoughts however I do not
believe the same applies to controlling our external world my own theory is that we each
have a parent code system placed somewhere in the ether which controls what we attract into
our lives as the saying goes if it is not meant to be it is not meant to be or some things
are not meant to be in life and I have come to believe this is very true we see people who are
skilled to get certain jobs but never get them why do some people easily get into relationships
while others struggle why is it that for some no matter how hard they try they can't reach the
peak success of what it is that they pursue I have now come to strongly believe that certain
opportunities are kept away from us through this parent code system put in place and
managed by the Archons what is your viewpoint on this subject hmm yeah I've heard some people say
that they think we have a life script or that's the same idea with that soul contract it usually
goes hand in hand that we signed some kind of soul contract where we co-created a life script
that we've agreed to have happened and we'll have certain events happen and we'll meet
certain people and again that's maybe I don't know I don't remember it if we did probably a
memory wipe was part of it and the same thing with the like law of attraction type of thing
they say that there's this law but again how can it's kind of like a law of gravity to me
I don't I don't see that the law of attraction is that much of a law I can sit here as long
as I want thinking about how great it would feel to be in a Ferrari like they do in that
the secret movie and I can go go through the feelings of how I would feel if I already owned
the Ferrari and I can sit there like a tool shifting the gears and driving through my room
like the guy in the movie does and I can guarantee you at no point in my lifetime
is a Ferrari just going to randomly be attracted to me because I aligned with that vibration
well enough in my bedroom in my imagination revving up my fake Ferrari engine
that's literally how they sell it to you in most of these books and I mean and
the reality of course is that sure there could be a bit of visualization that helps
in the process of manifesting things into your reality so sitting there and meditating and
thinking about things or even feeling the feelings of having them like they suggest
don't sound like all that bad of advice but the terrible advice is the idea that that's all you
need to do to make these things come into your life the the main thing you're going to need to do
is action you have to do stuff you're gonna have to do something to make the Ferrari eventually
make its way into your driveway if you're just sitting there doing the secret all the time
trying to use the law of attraction it's never going to happen it's which is why I don't really see
it as a law at all don't I don't think you can attract things with such an easy method you can
there's certainly tools within your consciousness there's ways that you can change your thinking
that will make things come into your life easier but if you just change your thinking but do
no actions you take no steps in the physical world towards making those things happen
how could that happen I mean even like people that think God is going to bring things into their
life like that oh God is going to maybe bring other people or events or situations and ultimately
you're going to have to live them you're going to have to meet those people you're going to have
to relate to them have conversations be responsible and then eventually maybe they give you a Ferrari
or whatever but it will be part of a series of actions that happened not just you sitting
imagining things I've had this big beef with the law of attraction so I don't know if that
necessarily plays into what you had to say about it but for me yeah I don't think that it's even
really a thing I feel like that's it's just this concept that has been promoted out of nowhere
and now it's it's attained the level of law similar to gravity it started out as a theory
and now apparently it's a law even though there's no example anywhere that you can
point to improve it like there's nobody that can you can they can sit down in a chair
envision themselves in a Ferrari well enough or long enough and you can record it and then
suddenly a Ferrari up here is next to them it's never gonna happen you can never give me scientific
evidence of this supposed law so just like the law of gravity I have serious questions about the
law of attraction and I think it's really just a jumping off point for anyone who wants to
make changes in their life that yes visualization is a great step but they sell it as if it's
the only step necessary to get all of your dreams to come true when it's really just maybe
10% of of it and the other 90% is actually doing things to make make it happen
yeah absolutely like say if I use the law of attraction to attract the woman of my dreams so
that woman now is mine so because she's mine I've taken away from everybody else so because I've
got her somebody else out there cannot have her you see it is again it's kind of empathizing
with the with with everyone else rather than just focusing on the eye isn't it it's like
I want this I want a Ferrari I want the woman of my dreams I want the job it's very eye focused I
think that's again my issue along with the other things that you just talked about as well
yeah yeah and even if it was a collective altruistic focus I don't know that that's
going to happen people do that all the time they do mass meditations for peace and they get a whole
bunch of people together and they sit there and think about a peaceful world or or try to bring
in a peaceful world by not thinking or whatever the intention might be but ultimately the world
is still fraught with war and we no matter how many millions of people come together trying to
attract a better world I haven't seen any noticeable difference or prayer is another one
billions of people today and throughout history I think have been praying for a better world and
praying for things to happen and they they do where they don't you know when they do they
praise god and when they don't they just blame themselves probably for not praying hard enough
but I think similar to the law of attraction it's all just it's it's up to you if all you're doing
is praying well yeah that's why you get kind of a 50-50 result that you got to pray and then put
it into action if all you're doing is law of attracting you're not going to get great results
but if you visualize and then put it into practice yeah I can see how that could be
part of the process the issue is when they act like it's the entire process in itself
yeah sure great stuff right question 13 the experiment by Dr. Masaru Imoto I would like
to talk about the experiments with water by Dr. Masaru Imoto in his experiments he discovered
that water responds to certain human emotions and words for example when you express anger
expression or hate towards water the molecules become imbalanced and disproportionate however when
you express emotions such as love kindness and appreciation the molecules form these beautiful
symmetrical shapes where I am going with this is that we have talked about this reality being
energetically synchronized to work in favor of evil now if this is true then one can argue
that surely in the above experiment the opposite would occur do you think the results from
Dr. Imoto's experiment show signs of the 20% of high vibrational energy that exists in our reality
or could be a result of the casino effect which we have already talked about or even the result of
a leak from the original matrix which operates on well principles of the infinite as we call it
yeah the the original Gnostic interpretation was they called this a broken mirror image
so it would make sense that if this is a broken mirror image of heaven then certain trace elements
of heaven would still be around and that is like I said in the beauty of nature and the love in
our hearts and very well could be in the molecular structure of water that has been blessed
because Dr. Imoto's work shows that when you put positive energy or words to the water
it makes symmetrical beautiful shapes and when you say negative things or put negative words
on the water it makes unsymmetrical ugly shapes but I wouldn't necessarily say that just because
that happens that that means that this reality isn't energetically synchronized to work in
favor of evil can still be that way just that the you know good vibrations create beautiful images
negative vibrations create ugly images but that doesn't speak either way to a fundamental
reality of which is supposed to think it's supposed to be one more so than the other
whatever so I'd say it could be either of those and just the fact that positive beautiful words and
emotions create beautiful shapes in that way doesn't mean it's necessarily energetically
synchronized to work in favor of good or evil similar to how people appeal to bunnies and
puppies and trees and mountains and sunsets when you speak of the abundant inherent negatives
here I see them both as being present and I see Dr. Imoto's work as showing that showing that both
have a outcome positive has a beautiful outcome negative has an ugly outcome
but I guess what you're saying is if it was energetically synchronized to be this way that
ugliness I mean negativity would look beautiful and vice versa
I guess that's a possibility but I don't think that that's necessarily the case
sure sure okay no I hear you okay no another great answer question 14 so any connection
between the flat earth model and the artificial moon so moving to a different topic I'd like to
get your viewpoint on the theory that the moon is a artificial construct possibly a spaceship
we have heard conspiracy researchers such as David I talk about the moon matrix and non-human
entities operating this matrix from the moon I personally haven't done a great deal of research
into this but from what I have read it is said that the moon was brought here recently ish in our
history as ancient records do not talk about the moon we have seen this concept also hinted in
movies such as star wars we have been told that the moon influences tidal waves affects human
behavior and weather patterns if it is true that the moon was brought here and is indeed
an artificial construct it would suggest that extraterrestrial entities exist and operate
outside of the earth plane possibly outside of the affirmament as we call it what is your
opinion on the subject and is the moon being an artificial construct compatible with a flat earth
model hmm in David Ike's moon matrix talk he gets really specific about the claims he makes
about the moon saying it's a physical spaceship used by interdimensional shape-shifting
reptilians who control humanity psychically from this as their moon base and his whole idea is
predicated on the heliocentric globe model with a physical moon that physical beings can land on
and I'm open to the idea that there could have existed a time in history before there was a moon
around in the sky but all the other specifics that he mentions are unprovable and don't make
any sense to me at all the idea that the moon is a physical spaceship he calls it that came from
another physical place in outer space which I don't think is a thing and then came here harboring
shape-shifting reptilians which is something again I don't I don't see enough proof that
that's a reality though I leave a slight bit of possibility that there could be something to
what he's mentioning but he talks about shape-shifting reptilians as if that's the most concrete
part of his philosophy I haven't seen that level of evidence to to say that such things exist nor
that they control humanity from the moon base these are they have moon beams that hypnotize us
but he's got quite a whole thing and it all it all fits in with the heliocentric globe model
which is why I think David might be well one of two reasons why he might be reluctant to either
research or come out and say that this is the reality because it goes against most of what he's
said in most of his books and or because he's just a gatekeeper anyway I mean if he's genuine
then I would say the likely reason he can't seem to see through the whole outer space deception is
because a lot of what he's based his worldview is is on that but there's also the possibility that
he's a unknowing gatekeeper and he knows about the flat earth for example or he knows about
certain other things and he's there in a way that I think Alex Jones plays this role where
he gives you a certain amount of conspiracy knowledge but gate keeps knowingly gate keeps other
things and as a as a result is a literal mouthpiece of the very conspiracy he's supposedly against
which is a big waking up thing for me because Alex Jones was one of the first people that
I came across talking about all of these subjects and I listened to him for years
and then as I slowly started coming to conclusions that he doesn't and he veers off of it he strays
people away from certain conclusions for instance like the fact that we haven't been to the moon or
that the earth is flat or that zionists control things he'll just say globalists right global
there's no such thing as a globe and his main thing is the globalists in a sense yeah the
people who created the globe if that's what you mean by globalists I actually agree in that sense
but it's weird when you think that somebody who is fighting the conspiracies fighting the good fight
and then there's like a fall from grace where you realize maybe he's actually part of the
conspiracy and his the role he plays is to pretend like he's a leader and fighting the
good fight and what he does is give you half truths that make makes his audience impotent
because now they just believe the half truths of their leader instead of finding the real truth
and getting to things that could be more impactful they're led off like a pied piper into an area
of research and thinking that doesn't actually gain any real traction and I would think if you
if there was a world conspiracy you would certainly need to have pied pipers like that set in place
otherwise true genuine leaders would rise to the top and lead genuine movements so you have to have
controlled opposition leaders to lead people in directions that you have already pre-approved
and so even like like Alex Jones for example he came out about the various school shootings
and was saying that they were they were crisis actors and that they were stage staged you know
and not real events and then suddenly he's taken to court and he retracts all his conspiratorial
statements about that now is that because he went too far was he just shooting from the cuff
in his conspiratorial way and then he said something that was beyond what what he's supposed
to say as a gatekeeper I wonder about that even whether he's a gatekeeper or not they shut the gate
on him during that instance for example because he said something that was too far and now they
they had the whole lawsuit against him and stuff and shut him up and banned him off a bunch of
platforms and all that um but anyway all that to say that I wonder if David Ike is
like Alex Jones in that sense because there's a lot of things that point to it in my eyes
that he could very well be another controlled opposition gatekeeper that says a lot of things
that I do agree with but then comes up with a lot of other things like this moon matrix we're
talking about that I really don't agree with and then he also won't you won't take the next step
to to go further down the rabbit hole to some much more impactful truths that are contrary
to the things that he's published previously. Sure and I guess once you've published something on
hard copy books that have gone out in their hundreds if not thousands to go back on your
word on those books and say oops I made a mistake you know it's a bit of a hard thing to confront
isn't it to say sorry people I was wrong what I said in those books I've got to write
something different now I guess it's a bit of a difficult position to be in I suppose for any
author I guess I don't know maybe if that has a factor in it but okay but no it's been an absolutely
brilliant conversation so question 15 finishing on a positive so we have talked about our reality
being energetically synchronized to support evil, narcissism and the negative nature of
what we are contained in just to finish on a positive I believe to show expressions of
kindness compassion empathy and to share and be nice whilst are going against the tide of
our matrix may possibly be an exit out of this place and lead to a path back to the original
one true realm it is courageous to say to this system yes I know inhabiting positive attributes
will result in me finishing last as the saying goes nice guy's finished last but even knowing
this I am still not willing to comply to the energetic frequency of this simulation I am going
to continue to show characteristics of kindness to others as far as practically possible to what the
matrix allows I will continue to practice the art of stillness niche and my spiritual awakening
so I can go back to home to to where it is that I actually belong and and not stay here
not only this meant not this mentality and spiritual way of being may lead us out of
the sole trap and get us out of here but it's possible that if more and more people inhabit
this approach to life it will stop or reduce the loose energy that releases out putting
the outcomes in a position where they will no longer be able to sustain this reality
thus forcing it to re-emerge back to the original mirror in which the breaking piece came from
or dissolve entirely so we can return to where we belong I know that I know all of that would
have to run in conjunction with other things such as not following the light not contracting to
reincarnate and not falling for the manipulation tactics after we leave our physical bodies
but on the whole what do you think I it's more hope than think I hope that there is
a way out of this soul trap and soul trick I hope that I'm able to see it in the moment
and potentially our co-creative energy could create a place like heaven or like I hope I
make sense to me that that is what our consciousness is able to do when it's outside of this physical
world and physical bodies anyway consciousness regains those powers that's what a lot of near
death experiencers say is when they leave their physical body they start to regain all these powers
they're able to travel at the speed of thought you just think something and you're there
they're able to remember everything from their life stuff they'd forgotten from childhood
they just remember it all and some of them say they go to that akashic record and they remember
all of human history they remember everything any question they have they instantly know the
answer when they're in that state but then they say once they come back into the physical
body it's similar to a dream in that when it was happening I yeah but now when you're trying
to make me recall it that's all hazy I can barely remember what happened and I wonder if that is
what the experience our experience is like innately once we're out of body we very well
may be very powerful creators and that could be why the archons are so quick to try and deceive us
and distract us into reincarnating before we realize our true power once we're out of
these physical bodies in this physical realm sure sure now that's another fantastic answer
but that's all my questions Eric I would just like to say a big big thank you for having this
talk with me and for all the work you have done to try and wake up as many people as possible
you are a remarkable human being and we are right behind you keep doing what you are doing
and together maybe we can help each other hold on to that hope that you talked about
that will get us out of here oh thanks so much now those are excellent questions I appreciate that
thanks for a good interview and thanks for contacting me and helping set this all up
yeah no absolutely you take care my friend and bye for now all ready thank you bye bye okay