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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the true health report. As always, I'm your host, Dr.
Andy Kaufman. Now today, we're going to have a discussion about law and more
specifically equity, which is definitely a hot topic and often misunderstood. So
we're definitely going to lay some things out clearly. And first, let me say
that I have been on a learning journey with respect to the law from for a long
time, really. In fact, I was even involved in legal work in forensic
psychiatry before I left the mainstream. But once I found out about the truth
about law, of course, I was drawn into a rabbit hole and got sidelined many
times. And there's a lot of half truths or partial truths out there. And there's a
lot of risk. But eventually I came upon an area of law that has really a higher
purpose. You could even say a spiritual purpose. But in the practical
world, it is sort of a trump card. And not only does it work to help you
deal with a lot of difficult legal situations, but it also allows you to
act in a very moral way. You don't have to resort to the dirty tricks of the
attorneys and other players in the legal system. So today's guest is
Andrew McDonald. And he is a very interesting gentleman who spent a lot
longer than I did exploring the rabbit holes of law and, in fact, put himself
in jeopardy in several situations. I'm sure he'll talk about today. And now he
has a course and has been teaching for many years, Freedom with Equity. And I
have heard about Andrew from several different other equity teachers that
some of who I learned from or I met through the sort of strange community
of equity teachers. So let me bring Andrew into the discussion. Hello and
welcome.
Thank you, Dr. Kaufman. It's a pleasure to be here with you.
So, Andrew, why don't you kind of start off maybe just introduce yourself a
little bit and tell us some, you know, how you first got interested in the
law and a little bit about your path that led you to where you're at
and the subject matter of today?
Very quickly. I'm a former firefighter paramedic in the 80s, trying to
sit down and do a 1040 form, you know, filing my taxes, wondering, hey, you
know, why am I having to give the government, you know, part of my income
that was the term of the time. And, you know, when I'm barely making it
as my own. So that kind of got me on the path is just, you know, being
a being a truth seeker. Left that service early. We went to my wife and
I went to work for a an MD surgeon in Florida who actually had cured his
brain cancer alternatively. So we went to work for him for a while before we
moved here to Colorado. And, you know, the alternative medicine, as you
know, Dr. Kaufman, alternative medicine field, they're under attack all
the time too. So that alternative medicine path kind of led to the
alternative law path, just as a necessity, not that we're an attack,
but we are in that in that space. So moved to Colorado and got involved
with some what I call Patriot warfare groups to where, you know, I'm
not a taxpayer, you know, I know my rights, you can do this to me after
David's letters, status corrections, and none of it worked. I mean, we
were in that space for 15 years before we finally, you know, got sued by the
Department of Justice and IRS. And it because we didn't know equity,
because we are in that warfare warfare mode, so to speak, it didn't go
well. And we, you know, we pretty much lost everything. And we recover
starting to recover from that, we started learning equity. And, you
know, some guru down in Georgia says, you know, we're on the verge of
homelessness at the time, you can guess because why. And some guru says,
hey, you know, I do find abandoned homes in our area and eventually a judge
will give you, you know, title to it. So we started doing that in our
little town here next thing. And, you know, found some abandoned homes
through grass three feet high, no one been there for seven or eight
years. Next thing you know, I've got cops knocking on the door with a
warrant for my arrest was charged with burglary, criminal
trespass, reporting false documents, because we went through a full
administrator, what they, you know, what they would consider elite, what
patrons would consider a legal administrator process, but not
necessarily. So I was facing 12 years in state in state prison for
those for those charges. And I was just learning equity at the time.
And I knew just not to go in and argue, I didn't we didn't have any
of the notices and stuff that we have these days. It was mostly all
verbal. I mean, I did a, you know, non statutory abatement from that
lead guy back in the late 90s. Earl's got to don't remember his full
name. And the judge out of the hearing, the judge would say,
Andrew, you're facing 12 years in prison, let me hire a turner,
you let me point one for you. And I would just ask questions,
judge, why would I want an attorney don't attorney is simply
a torn for the dead. You know, and we can get they'll go
down that rabbit hole, so to speak, is that's what they're
doing. They're representing the fiction that all caps fiction is,
you know, if you haven't heard of that, then hey, we can go down
that rabbit hole. So that got us into, you know, into this
equity path, we traveled the country down to Texas to learn
from one on the phone with a bunch of other people traveling
to Southern California from for another one. And just learning
this process. And it just resonated so much with us
because it wasn't about fighting. It was about going to
peace with the system, being in honor with the system with the
IRS, Department of Justice, any, but any other government or
court entity out there, banks, without being walked on by by
any of them. And that's that's the remedy we got. So we've
received certificates of releases of liens from the IRS we
received. I know the court case was dismissed without
ever testifying without ever, you know, submitting, filing
any emotions or anything like that. And the most interesting
part is one of the last things the judge said, and this was a
judge with a doctorate degree in law to prosecutors was, well, I
guess that the fifth hearing prosecutor prosecutor came up to
me, gave me a really dirty look and said, we're not going to
prosecute this case. She turned around and walked away when
she when the case got called, she started to explain why
and the judge cut her to cut her off would not let her say
anything else. And he said, this case is hereby
dismissed. And the most important thing, all bonds are
hereby discharged in this matter. And that really got the
things rolling in my head as far as okay, what's going on
with the bonds. And I knew I mean, one of the questions I
would ask the judge and in the hearings was judge, why does
case numbers doesn't just have a QCIP number associated with
doesn't QCIP stand for a committee on uniform security
identification procedures. And it's a number that is
issued by I used to think it was securities exchange
commission. It's not by a global QCIP services. It's part of
the banking system to track every security, you know, in
North America. And I actually actually around the world, you
know, all the countries have. So, you know, I asked that
question, I would just had a list of 2030 questions.
Sometimes I asked them two or three times in a single
hearing. And and I compelled the performance that I
want to happen, not by arguing, not by testifying,
not by filing motions, not by having an attorney, but by
asking the questions that compel the performance that I
wish to happen, which is to hear case dismissed.
Well, Andrew, I think many of the people out there can
certainly relate to some of your experiences, because I
think you mentioned some key aspects. One is that you
started off with a sense of that this isn't right. This
is unfair, that you're being taken advantage of in some
way. And you were searching, right, for a way. And of
course, the reaction to that is, oh, let's fight back. And
it's justified to have those feelings, right? Because
when you've been run over, right, that can lead to
anger. But it's important to note that that feeds the
system. And I think you learned the hard way,
right? That's what the phrase that came into mind when
you were describing your experience and even facing
criminal charges, right, and incarceration. And I can
think of other people that also tried to, you know,
challenge the authority, like through taxes, for
example, and they all ended up actually serving time
because they didn't find this remedy. But I want
people to know that two things about this, and you
know, please give me your perspective is one that if
you don't address this emotional response, it's
going to contaminate your ability to use equity. And
also it's going to, you know, damage your psyche. So
it's in it's in your interest to, you know, realize
that this there's no one in the system who is
personally has a vendetta against you. It's how the
system works and how it was set up and it was set
up, you know, by people in the past that we can't
go back and, you know, change these things, but
we can actually interact with it in a peaceful
way and achieve justice. And so when you talk
about that, you didn't argue, you know, you
didn't testify. And in fact, it's much, much
easier because you don't have to learn the
specifics of the legal statutes and the case law
and the procedure because you're above all of
that. And there's really one way of addressing any
problem with equity, you know, there's minor
variations and there's different documents that
you use, but they're really all the same in a
sense. They're just, you know, different aspects
of the same thing.
Great. And you brought up a really good point is
that, you know, something I initially, every time
we lost, we lost everything and then getting
arrested, you know, I got out the next day from
from being arrested in jail, but really, really
quickly, I had to lose that victimhood
mentality. And that's what you were referencing
initially there was, yes, so many people I
talked to on the phone, you know, it's a
more of a woe was me and the system's
corrupt. And, you know, that corrupt word is
way overused in the Patriot community. Yes,
this is the system we live in. Yes, it's likely
very, very broken. But equity, equity, you
know, I say it's at a higher frequency
spiritually higher vibration. And pretty
much everything that they're doing is under
color of law. And you mentioned that before
the recording start is that, you know, color
means that it's just being done because of
the authority, not that there is actually
any enforceable law. And again, that's not
everything, but that's much of it. And
right, and we saw that play out during
COVID, where, you know, private
corporations were enforcing policies that
weren't actually law. Right. And but they
were doing it as if it were the law. And
that's kind of the color of law, right.
It's like you and you, everyone thought
it was law as well. Right. And but they
willingly, you know, didn't really
investigate it, unfortunately, to find out
that it wasn't. The other aspect of the
color of law thing is government is a
fiction. Government, there's case law
that says, and we don't use case law
and equity, but, you know, I use it to
back up what what we're teaching is
that governments can only deal with
fictions because they're just a
fiction. So that's where I had a whole
all caps name that came from at the
time of our birth. They're creating an
artificial entity. And that's what the
government deals with. So I mean,
because everything you're going to be
getting from a bank, from a court, from
a pretty much, you know, the IRS
taxing authorities, they're going to
have that all caps naming because
that's what they that's how they have
to operate. Now, you know, there's
no separating ourselves from that all
caps names simply because we've used
it our whole lives. You have a
number. You've used it. You have
that birth certificate, which is, you
can hold equitable title to it. But
whose name is at the top the state of
depending on what country you're in
because we operate around the world
here. And
so we've become the surety for that
all caps fictional entity.
So if it gets charged or sent
a bill or whatever, we're the ones
liable to pay or to perform simply
because we're the surety for it.
And that's right. So if I may,
before we could important word, but
it's going to definitely send some
eyes rolling. So so let me
make an analogy that might
simplify to understand this this
process. OK, so let's
say that the government was just
like any other business, but they're
very big business. And this is
actually what they are, right?
They're a corporation. You can go
and look them up on the database
find various corporations
with slightly different names, right?
So businesses can only do business
with other businesses and they need,
you know, people like men and women
to represent them because
they can't act on their own, right?
They're just a fictional entity
or a stack of papers, right?
The Articles of Incorporation
or or a birth certificate
if it's us. So when
this all caps name or straw man,
there are many, you know, terms
and legis was created
for us or, you know, maybe
by our parents in part.
That is our business, right?
It's just like if we went and formed
an LLC or a C Corp.
It's its own category, maybe
that's slightly different from those.
But, you know, it's a business
because we can't do business
with a business unless we have a business.
That's just the rules of it.
We can do things with other men and women,
but that's outside of commerce, right?
And that it might be said to be in common law
if we want to make a legal analogy.
But we know it's different.
You know, you do things man to man.
You make an agreement, you know,
you don't go record that agreement
in the county courthouse
like you do when you're in commerce
and businesses, you know, have liabilities
and they have assets and, right?
So if you, you know, if your employee,
for example, of your business
uses your business's credit card to buy, you know, supplies,
then that liability then becomes yours,
even though you you're the owner of the business,
but you didn't make the purchase.
It's still you owe that money.
And so in a way, without knowing it,
we're sort of like we have took on that obligation
without actually knowing it.
And that's what being a surety means in sort of lay terms.
And another way to look at it is, yes,
those are pieces of paper and a living soul
needs to give those fictions commercial energy
and how to do that is with the Federal Reserve notes
or the dollars or whatever currency you're using
as well as as well as the pen, you know,
our signature provides we are the chateau for the system.
We are the commercial energy that keeps the system going.
And whether it's at the government level
or at our level as well with those entities
that we supposedly own or or run at least or manage
because of our surety ship.
But yes, this is the pen is very, very powerful.
We have the power of the pen as well.
So when you say the commercial energy,
you're talking about the commercial energy to settle
those debts or liabilities, right,
that our straw man or our business has incurred.
And, you know, would you say that there is a choice
that you can use the commercial energy of the pen
or you can use the commercial energy of your of your labor?
Actually, both.
And it's not just the the equity part of it.
It's actually the system itself, you know, banking,
you sign a check, your commercial energy allows them
to use fractionalized banking to expand that credit,
expand that money supply.
So it's not just us, it's the whole system itself.
And, you know, because of that,
that this commercial energy with with the pen,
it can be yes, it can bring us remedy, you know,
and I don't know when you want to get into talk about definitions.
But one of my favorite words is obligation.
We have that obligation we have, you know,
our rights are granted to us by God, Creator,
universe, whatever you call it.
But the contracts that we've rented into
through our life have superseded those rights.
My favorite one is the first one.
Most people sign is the application for the driver's license.
You know, we have a right to travel in the common ways.
And I'm not saying people should give up their driver's license.
Statutes are there because they work.
Not everybody should be behind the wheel.
Without that little piece of plastic.
But, you know, when we assign those contracts,
we've turned our right, that driver's license application,
into a privilege.
Rights can't be taken away unless we volunteer for them to be,
for the most part.
Privileges can be much, much, much, much more easier, easily.
So because of that, signing a way of the contract,
superseding our creator granted rights,
that's what has gotten us into the issues that we have
throughout our lives.
The older we are, the more we've signed.
The nice part is, is equity can provide remedy
for any of those mistakes that we've made in the past.
Right. So just to clarify that,
because this is a really important example
with the driver's license.
So let's say we didn't, you know, sign that contract
or enter into that agreement.
We have the God given right to travel.
So we could have, you know, some kind of,
you know, motorized mechanism that we could take
from point A to point B freely without having to,
you know, be subject to the regulations of the roads.
But there is, you know, and that's how it was originally.
Right. But then, well, what happens, you know,
when someone is drunk and smashes into you,
and that kind of thing.
So, you know, the regulations came from the government
and that means that when you enter into that,
you're essentially like driving a company car
on a closed track where there are certain rules.
And, you know, and you participate in commerce
with your vehicle, right, because you use your credit card
or the Federal Reserve note to purchase fuel
for the vehicle.
And then you go take it to the store
where you shop in commerce, right, or you drive it to work.
So, you know, it seems legitimate to me.
But of course, it may sometimes be unfair
or prejudicial and you can participate it.
But if you are treated unfairly,
then you have equity as a remedy.
Is that correct?
As you mentioned, everything to do with business
out there is commercial area.
Railroad versus Tompkins 1930 Supreme Court case.
Turn turn that around a lot.
So so, yes, an equity can provide remedy
for any commercial matter, any matter in commerce.
And and so, yes, you know, we started talking about an obligation.
You know, one of the books we use is Burton's legal thesaurus,
one of my favorites.
And if you look up obligation there, thesaurus is synonyms,
but it also has maxims in there as well.
And, you know, in several places in this book, it says obligations
are unbound in the same manner in which they were made binding.
Well, how are they made binding with this?
You know, our signatures could be other ways of making agreements
for the most part with our signature,
which can be a checkbox on the Internet.
So, you know, I get calls all the time.
I didn't I didn't sign anything for that credit card agreement.
Well, yes, you did. You check something
and you're using the plastic.
There's an agreement somewhere.
But how can that be unbound?
It can be unbound again with your signature
the same way that it was made obligatory.
Now, you're referring to the equitable right of rescission here, right?
Decision or or the other the other right is acceptance.
Their their banking term is through an acceptance process.
So so, yeah, I mean, if they're, you know, they send you a bill
and about banking or something in authority, not a private debt.
Like you talked about man to man or man to woman or woman to woman
is that, you know, they're giving you all the money to pay
what we cannot pay because there's no lawful money on the planet.
Everything's a fiat currency around the globe.
So, you know, in 19 so would you mind
expanding on like how that came to be with the fiat currency
because it is kind of the basis whereby
the the commercial energy source is is different than it once was.
Sure. And everybody's been around for a couple of thousand years,
but in around most pretty much around the world around 1933,
they took away the gold and the silver.
In this country, HDR 192, Public Law 7310, where the most
a lot of constitutions around the world say that nothing but gold and silver
shall be used for the payment of debts.
Our Constitution in the United States says no state shall make anything
but gold and silver for the payment of debts.
Because they took that ability away,
they and they gave us a fiat currency where in this country, 1971,
the final nail in the coffin was where it was completely taken off
the gold standard by Nixon and that, you know, banking realm
that we can't pay for anything.
All we can do is discharge debts dollar for dollar.
So because we can't initially pay like people think about pay for things.
How can you pay for something with a debt instrument?
You know, pull those Fed Reserve notes out of your wallet, your purse
and says Fed Reserve note at the top.
You know, if you look up the definition of money, it says excludes notes,
bonds and evidences of debt.
Well, it's a note. It's a bond.
It's got signatures on it.
And those two things are both debt instruments.
So three strikes and those FRNs in your Fed Reserve notes
in your waltz and purses do not fit the legal definition of money.
They are legal tender that only discharge debts.
They don't pay a debt.
So we can't pay for anything.
And they had to give us a remedy.
And that's what we teach.
That's what we talk about.
We're using their system and giving them the commercial energy
to discharge a debt because, again, Fed Reserve notes
are considered basically a substitute for money as legal tender.
But so does so we can submit commercial energy, i.e.
in negotiation in accordance with negotiable instruments
laws around the world to actually give them the commercial energy
to discharge a debt, which does it without arguing,
without fighting, without telling them to validate the debt.
They don't validate any debt.
They have your signature.
So they don't need to validate these debts.
And so that was something that worked 15, 20 years ago
around so while they've gotten around it.
And they still continue to what I call move the cheese.
And this is why we've got to stay, keep our fingers on the pulse
of what's going on out there because as they move the cheese
with trying to get around our equity, we need to grow and move with it.
And that's exactly what I make sure that I do with this is to,
you know, I'm constantly working on making it easier
for our students and so forth to to bring remedy.
And I truly believe there's going to be a time here
relatively soon where, you know, we'll be able to win
almost every court case bringing equity.
We'll be able to stop every foreclosure out there
because of because of the knowledge of the system that's coming in
and seeing that knowledge with equity eyes,
hearing with equity ears to be able to apply our equity to bring remedy
and stop being walked on by the system.
And again, does take an honorable person to be able to receive equity
because it is all about honor, peace, honor and justice
by fair dealing by definition.
Well, I love your optimistic viewpoint here.
And I definitely share the enthusiasm.
You were just to kind of summarize a lot of what you said here
is that our current financial system, right, is does not have
anything of actual tangible value in it, right?
Nothing that really meets the the true definition of money.
But what people think of as money and even the Federal Reserve has written,
you know, papers sort of redefining money
is really just negotiable instruments
and they're really debt instruments.
So, of course, how can you settle a debt with a debt?
So there has to be another way to go about this.
And that's what we're talking here.
So can you just tell us a little bit about like, what exactly is a negotiable instrument
and why have we been using those our whole life
and not even know that what we're using is that?
And what is the source of law that we would look to
to help from which equity is based on that would help us resolve these matters?
Some question.
One of the books I teach out of is Levine's manual on commercial law.
Lincoln Levine was a New York CPA attorney who realized
this book was published to the National District was published in 1948,
15 years after the money changed.
And these attorneys in CPA started to realize, hey, they've taken away the money.
You know, we can only we can't pay for anything anymore.
So if you if you have the digital version of that book
or, you know, if you have a hard to find hard copy of it,
then we're going to have a hard copy.
So so do I. I've got a couple.
And and where it says payment, it says payment or acceptance.
Now, this this didn't happen in 1938.
I've got another book that, you know, in published in 1888
that talks about discharge of debts with negotiable instruments.
And the negotiable instrument to answer your question
is basically anything that has commercial energy to it.
So again, I talked about this, you know, your signature,
the pen being giving the commercial energy.
If there's an instrument, you know, that and we go down that rap
all this is any, you know, offer or a presentment
that gets put in front of your face.
And once you sign that instrument, it can become a negotiable instrument.
And we obviously we just don't do that.
We follow this up with proper notice
and everything that goes along with it to put whoever you're returning
that instrument to that there is some performance expected.
Andrew isn't like just simply like the two kinds of negotiable instruments.
It's either a promise to pay or an order to pay.
Right. And so when you get the the payment voucher
or the, you know, the bill, right?
And a bill is a basically means bill of exchange,
which is an order to pay, right?
That's so that's the kind of instrument that you have in that situation.
Whereas like a fiat note, right?
A Federal Reserve note is called a note
because note means promissory note, which is a promise to pay.
And the is there is there an example, the acceptance?
Like, is there an example from banking that we would know?
Like, isn't a bank check also an acceptance of a negotiable instrument?
And it is a negotiable instrument that you obviously someone endorses or signs
and hands it to somebody they take it to their bank.
Their bank accepts it.
And so that's what causes the commercial energy transfer from one bank to another.
Is what's an order of pay?
It's a it's a it's a bill of exchange, so to speak.
Now, I don't want to get into bills of exchanges because those are supposed
to be from one bank to another.
And a lot of people out there trying to use bills of exchange to discharge debt.
Right. Well, we're not we're not telling people to create
their own negotiable instruments from scratch.
That very important point.
The other thing I wanted to clarify, too, is this isn't just about banking.
You know, the example I use is it can be about performance, too.
The billing inspector knocks on your door
because you put a shed on your property without asking their permission.
You know, we can accept and return that offer or that presentment
to the building department and expecting their performance
to to go away and leave you alone.
Now, will they or not?
I mean, there's no silver bullet.
There's no magic fairy dust or anything to make things just magically disappear.
But invention does work.
So it's not just accounting and monetary.
It can be that obligation can be performance as well.
But Andrew, isn't there even an accounting in that example
because wouldn't they try to give you a fine for violating their their code?
And that as well as they want to what they want to do,
go down and get a pay for a permit, right?
You know, to so justifying their existence,
feeding the system.
And yes, if you if you don't, there's a possibility of of a fine possibility.
Doesn't mean, you know, I teach and knock at the door, you know,
a script how to handle people that knock and knock at your door
to make it a much higher chance that that fine doesn't happen.
They, you know, took their tail and go away and we've done that.
So, you know, and again, it's all about commerce.
They have a they have a duty to keep us in their realm of existence
for all the reasons to justify their their their positions
to protect the emergencies that happened around the world.
1933, where they took away the money, it's all about that.
The judges, the attorneys, you know, it's all about commerce
and and it's all about protecting that the system,
that ability, maritime, commercial, statutory fiat system
that the world operates in right now, because there's not enough
gold and silver on the planet to for the expansion of the money supply,
the credit that they that they've created, the system they've created.
So they have to use us, you know, again, that commercial energy.
You mentioned the birth certificate.
When we first started looking, you know, learning about this
over 20 years ago, 26 plus years ago now, you know, people would say,
yeah, the birth certificate is being traded and it's worth about $650,000.
Well, the last time I heard from someone say something about it
was about $55 million.
So that's the expansion, you know, of the credit supply,
the money supply around the world to where this is the system that we're in.
We look at inflation right now, hyperinflation.
That just means the value of the dollar.
Look at gold and silver right now.
That just means it takes more dollars of those debt
instruments to to purchase those metals.
It's not that those prices or costs are going up.
The value of the dollars going down, which obviously is going to mean
that those costs are going up with food and everything else.
So and that's what happens in a fiat fake
fiend money money system and there has to be remedy.
You know, there should be nobody, you know, the veterans out there living
under in refrigerator boxes under bridges.
No one should be losing their home because they couldn't pay their mortgage.
Their mortgage is paid for at closing when they sat across on the title
closer, that promissory note was deposited like a check
and, you know, stand up for deposit only on the back
deposited at the Fed window or some commercial bank.
And those funds were created from someone's signature
to buy their purchase, their house or their land.
So, you know, that's the system and that's the broken part of the system
that that remit that equity can remedy.
And that goes with any pretty much anything to do with banking.
Banks don't loan money.
You know, everybody thinks that they do.
A lot of people think they do.
The great awakening that you and I and others are bringing bringing
to light here is that, no, banks don't loan money.
They're loaning your own credit that you created with with your pen.
So major. That's right.
And and, you know, are there sources in statute
where people can kind of verify that that that is actually how loans work?
Not necessarily statutes.
I mean, there's, you know, modern money
mechanics put out a flyer, what in the 80s, saying that, you know,
the borrow is the source of the of the of the money.
You know, they didn't come out and say it exactly.
But, you know, the calling of promissory
and a transaction deposit, which is based the same thing
as when you write a check, that's a transaction deposit.
So they're they were leading us down that road.
They had nothing since then.
But there's all kinds of economists out there.
What about the Federal Reserve Act, Section 19?
Yeah. And again, it's all it's all about creating
that fiat currency, Federal Reserve Act, yes, of 1913,
where the banking system was was basically switched over
from of something of substance to over to form to the fiat part of it.
So, yes, that's that's there for people that want to make deep dives.
But just, I mean, we're all we're all involved in YouTube
University these days, and there's plenty of economists and people.
There was someone who I was involved with Tom Schauff many, many years ago,
who was one of the first CPA auditors that prove
that the banks don't banks don't loan money just on the accounting side
of it, generally accepted accounting principles.
And I mean, that has expanded and become very, very
GAAP is coming back into the picture these days because
it goes even deeper than what we know, what we know a long time,
what we knew a long time ago. Right.
And these are the general accounting practices that you're mentioning.
And and you can find expert economists and bankers,
not the majority, but who explain this as a factual aspect of the banking system.
So, you know, we're not we're not talking fiction here.
This this is actually the way things work.
Now, I think it's helpful, Andrew, to explain this in a slightly different way,
because a lot of folks might feel that this is going to harm the system.
If you, you know, don't pay with the wages of your hard-earned labor,
your debts, instead, you, you know, use the acceptance process
and your signature is that, you know, how is the national debt created
and how is using equity affecting that?
Because if, you know, kind of, I think what you're saying is that
when you access credit is that creates more currency
and could contribute to inflation.
So using equity to settle it, how does that affect the equation?
Good question. And I'll go around it a little bit differently.
When, as far as the national debt go, every few are at a check
every month through your credit cards for your mortgage,
already mentioned fractionalized banking, which is not a secret.
You can ask any economist or CPA out there and they know this.
Right.
Fractional reserve lending is, I think, the exact term.
Fractional reserve banking.
When you were if you were to check for a thousand dollars,
fractional is banking allows the banks, the banking system,
to expand that to at least nine times.
That's what it was years ago.
I've heard unofficially that it's been it's much higher than that.
So you are to check for a nine thousand dollars.
They're allowed to expand that to at least nine thousand dollars, nine times.
That's, you know, that's a major part of the money supply expansion
of the money supply, but also the national debt.
So when you write a check, you're actually increasing the national debt
every time you write a check or run that plastic
because the same they're doing the same thing.
When when bringing equity and we do an acceptance on it,
it's my belief and understanding is that we're not.
They can't expand.
They can't use that that acceptance to expand the money supply.
So if anything, it's probably decreasing the money supply
or decreasing the debt by bringing equity
versus expanding it like when you're using their system,
writing checks and using using the plastic.
And again, it's just about discharging debt.
It's not about paying it.
And this is not about getting out of things.
You when you want to start to understand the system,
another good way to explain it is, you know, when you do an application
for a credit card, that application is monetized.
In other words, it's securitized.
Even it's often from what we hear, even if you get turned down for credit,
they're still using your signature to create, create, you know,
digits and those things are basically those things are being securitized.
Almost everything we do that any account number,
official account number with the bank, court, government
authority, taxing authority has been monetized.
What does that mean?
It means it's been put into the system to where it's being traded
on the open markets, either the bond market, stock market, some some kind of market.
Well, I mean, these are all forms of derivatives, really.
Correct.
Derailed derivatives are just a whole bunch of packed ones, right?
Then, you know, a bunch of back pack securities, derivatives,
born just back securities to where they take a bunch of those securities.
And it was a way to make even more of those digits by bundling them up together
and, you know, and selling and selling them off and trading them on the open market.
And we can improve this with that QCIP number, you know, that I mentioned earlier,
you know, when someone has this a serious court case
and, you know, we can pull it, we can get a QCIP number.
We can't pull it. It's not available on the Internet.
It has to be you have to be a certain license to do it.
But, you know, that QCIP is a serious three,
a serious three brokers license and then a one of those accounts
that cost like 30,000 a year.
I heard like a series seven.
I'm not from a series seven.
Yeah. I mean, and again, I don't know.
There may be someone I know a person that can do it.
So, you know, I reach out to them.
But I mean, there's a whole, you know, almost everything you do
in the commercial world has been securitized.
That's why they can run the printing presses.
You know, people say they're printing money out of thin air.
No, they're not.
They're securitizing every number they possibly can.
And again, who's giving that commercial energy?
We are.
So, you know, that's the expansion of the money supply,
the expansion of the debt process and the and the printing of the currencies
around the world in a fiat system.
It's a again, it's a debt.
They're a debt instrument and that goes to, you know, your paycheck.
You're being paid with a debt.
How can that be called an increase or income?
OK, you know, because it's a debt instrument.
Now, I'm not saying those those Federal Reserve
notes don't have value.
Obviously, they have value.
They can be exchanged for goods, services,
product homes, everything else.
So they have value.
They just can't pay a public debt.
And that's right.
But when we when we accept a presentment in equity,
that also counts as payment in their accounting, right?
I'm very careful about using that word payment
because of the legal aspects of it.
It causes discharge.
The instrument passes freely on its face.
And that's what Lincoln Levine talks about in in his book,
is these substitutes for money,
which Federal Reserve notes are a substitute for money.
But so is our acceptances.
They pass freely on their face to cause discharge
of a public debt, public.
So just right.
So just to clarify this, so let's say, right,
that a bank you have a loan with and you you settle
and discharge the loan with the equity acceptance.
Now, does that mean that, like,
they won't have enough money to pay their employees
because you didn't send them, you know, checks instead?
Absolutely not.
The banks, again, are taking those checks, they're monetizing.
There's accounting to everything.
So, right.
And so the accounting result is essentially equivalent
to if you sent them a check, right?
And I think the word that is set off, right?
That's correct.
And if they wanted to, again, it's not our job
to teach them their law, but if they wanted to,
they could take that instrument that you issued to them
to the Fed window, to a commercial bank
and receive the digits into their account.
It's a negotiable instrument, just like anything else out there
that they're using, we just, you know,
we're not supposed to be privy to this, but we are.
And a very important point to make here
is that we cannot fray money.
Only banks have the ability to do that.
So when the bank or some, again,
other authority puts a bill or in front of your face,
they've given you the presentment.
They've given you the money to pay what we cannot pay
because there's no lawful money,
but they have to put it in there.
You know, some people are out there trying to,
you mentioned voucher, voucher is a very unique term.
But, you know, if you go one cent over
what they have on that statement, you've created money
and we cannot do that.
Only banks are licensed to do that.
So I just want to make sure everybody's clear on that
is we cannot be creating money.
They give us the money to discharge the debts.
We just have to properly, with keyword properly,
return it with proper notice to cause discharge
and release of that obligation.
And sometimes in order for that to happen,
the court has to intervene, right?
I mean, that would be on their side.
You know, we don't-
Right, right.
Not that we file a court case,
but in other words, if we send these instruments
to a bank directly, they may not take it peacefully.
They may take you to court,
but the court knows this and will act accordingly, ultimately.
We don't have to compel that performance
if it's something does go to court.
Yes, because again, as I mentioned earlier,
the judges, the attorneys, the bankers,
they have the duty to keep us in their box, in their system,
in that Admiralty Maritime Fictional System
where equity operates outside of that.
I mean, Pomeroy, a chancellor judge in the 1800s,
early 1900s, said that equity can even ignore
their rule codes, rules, statutes and so forth.
But, you know, the system isn't gonna like that.
So we have to be the ones that bring equity.
If we're drawn into that situation,
we have to bring equity, stay in equity and leave inequity.
And, you know, obviously we teach you how to do that
if someone has that need or interest in it.
But yes, I mean, often the judges
will need to be compelled to because they have.
It's, I mean, some of them can be jerks.
Some of them can be, you know, really rude and arrogant.
A lot of those are ones that are just not confident
with what they're doing.
But again, to, you know, how many judges
are out there in this world, many, many, many thousands.
Yes.
So, you know, equity just gives us a way
to compel the performance that we wish to happen
in any situation.
And equity makes you equal with that judge.
And in order to do that, in order to recognize that,
you have to have this equity, you know,
in your heart, in your soul.
And obviously, practicing your brain as well
to be able to go and talk to a judge in a courtroom
as if you're sitting across from the dinner table from them.
You know, no matter how serious the situation is.
Right.
And judges are just regular men and women like we are anyway.
And we all know that.
So I really like that, you know,
you mentioned that there is a human factor, right?
From the judge point of view.
But I want to, you know, bring up a quote
that you'd mentioned in another interview
that really struck me, which is, you know,
in equity you don't lose unless you give up.
So my question is based on your experience, you know,
working with students especially,
what's the hardest part?
What might lead someone to give up?
Because I know you've witnessed that.
So, you know, because there is always a little bit
of trepidation when you encounter new knowledge
and, you know, many of the things you might bring equity to,
you know, are kind of scary, right?
That you're worried about them garnishing your wages
or, you know, in extreme examples,
even putting you behind bars.
So what's the hardest part?
What would cause someone to give up?
Not having the fortitude in your heart.
And again, you know, it just depends on the situation.
We've had matters where, you know,
someone was sued on their, you know,
$30,000 credit card, if I recall,
this was years and years ago.
We have success stories much, much more recent than that.
But this was a pretty profound case
where the gentleman brought his equity
on the credit card case, the bank sued them,
credit card company sued them, I think it was AmEx.
And the court hearing got called
and the judge read his notices onto the record
and, you know, asked the defendant,
you know, what would you have me do?
She, the judge would not even let
the bank's attorney speak a word.
She was just over there with their jaw hitting the table
wondering what the heck just happened.
So that, you know, that's true equity.
And that's the way every court case should happen.
Now, the other end to that spectrum,
the other end of spectrum is you get a judge
who's, you know, yelling and screaming
and, you know, threatening to throw a book at you.
Hopefully it's a black's law or Burton's or something,
but threatening you with contempt.
That's the one tool that they have
where they, you know, they can kind of use that
without any really good reason.
And, you know, we teach this with a verbiage for that.
So someone just gets scared.
If they haven't practiced,
they haven't gotten that equity
integrated into their heart and soul
to where if the judge says something,
you know, the biggest mistake people make
in any matter is acquiescence, is standing silent.
And the biggest mistake you can do in a courtroom
when the judge is saying something, they can be,
you know, what was the book
that the Trump's attorney wrote, license to lie.
They absolutely 100% have a full license
to lie through their teeth and often do.
And if we stand in acquiescence
and silence to that,
to those things that come out of their mouth,
it's all over the law dictionaries
and the legal thesauruses, our acquiescence is our consent,
tacit consent to whatever they just said.
It was like as if we just signed a contract saying
that big lie is absolutely true.
But that's the biggest mistake.
And if people can't have a little bit of wit
and, you know, practice and have it in their heart
and the confidence, I mean, you can be shaking
in your knees behind that podium,
but what's coming out of your mouth needs to be confident,
not arrogant, it's a fine line, needs to be confident.
So that judge knows you just didn't download
some documents off the internet
and, you know, you're there, you know,
playing practice with them.
And they have a duty to do that as well
because there's so much of that patriot warfare out there,
people throwing stuff at them.
And, you know, a lot of that stuff is valid
but it's not going to work
because people don't realize the contracts we've entered into
have superseded, you know, a lot of those rights.
Equity, again, higher vibration,
higher frequency spiritually
and just supersedes everything they're doing.
You had mentioned common law.
Yeah, this common law can play a part in there
but, you know, it's all over there,
books that custom, they're just their customs
is a law that supersedes the common law.
So, you know, that kind of just throws that remedy
out the window as far as I'm concerned,
but, you know, it doesn't supersede equity.
Well, I can tell you, you know,
from my own personal experience,
bringing equity to a court hearing
that yes, it definitely, you can be challenged.
What happened in my experience was that
of course the judge was saying things that were not true
and he let me kind of speak and inquire early on
and then when he started talking to the other side
is when, you know, I had to interrupt
in order to not acquiesce
and they just kept talking
and the bailiff started paying special attention
to me and eventually like walked right in front of me,
posturing, but the judge never threatened contempt.
I think the judge was just using him as a fence between me
but in the end I was able to get some very good questions
on the record because I got the transcript
and there were definitely very noticeable results
after that hearing.
So it does take fortitude
and you have to have it in your heart, absolutely.
You can't start doubting
and because that can lead to you
going astray under pressure
and realize that even if you feel
like things are working against you,
it's more of like a, think about it as more of like a test
of your will rather than a real threat to your success.
I mean, we've had, you know, again,
they do this on a daily basis.
So they're going to be very practiced
and we've had somebody, a judge asked, you know,
a defendant, equity student, you know,
have you studied the law
and he really didn't know what to say.
You've got to know what to say
when somebody says something like that.
So my reply would have been,
judge, what law are you speaking of?
Are you talking about your fictional
Admiralty Maritime Commercial Jurisdiction,
common law or equity law jurisprudence
where you're to have equity before your eyes
above all else, judge, which is it?
So, you know, the questions we ask
and when you integrate this into your heart
and you're sold, those things
will just spew out of your mouth at the right time
and in accordance with whatever the judge is saying.
You know, we talked about scripts in the course,
but something I realized we did a court practice
a couple of weeks ago with some people
who were having court this month
and it's not just about a matter of going down the scripts
and getting as much onto the record as you can.
What's coming out of your mouth has to pertain
with what's going on in the hearing,
what's coming out of the judge's mouth,
what's coming out of the other side's mouth,
not just getting things onto the record.
So, and I realized that was something
that I needed to encourage more in the course.
So, obviously that's what we're doing
for people who are having court cases.
And it's not that often.
I mean, you're not always gonna wind up
being in court in these situations.
In fact, most don't because the equity
compels that performance before then.
I mean, one of the huge things that I teach
is we have a duty to inquire.
Equity tells us we have a duty to inquire
and there's two reasons for inquiry.
Obviously one to find out things that are unknown,
things we don't know,
but the other is to compel performance.
That's why I asked judge, why would I want an attorney?
Don't an attorney's a torn for the dead?
No, I was compelling the performance for him
not to compel me constantly to get an attorney
even though he continued to do it.
So I asked, I would say the same thing each time.
But yes, we have-
Would you say that that was an offer from the judge?
Absolutely, so something else you can say,
judge, are you making me a new offer?
Because when we bring the equity to a matter
in the eyes of equity, as soon as you get into honor,
as soon as you bring equity to the matter,
that matter, in the eyes of equity,
that matter is discharged, it's done.
You just have to get them to do that
on the public side of the ledger
and we do that by asking questions.
We don't make claims in equity.
When you're making a statement, you're testifying,
you're making a claim.
Guess what?
The burden of proof is on whoever's making that claim.
That's in the law dictionary.
When you're asking a question as king,
you're putting the burden of proof
on whoever you're asking the question of.
And that's why one of the judges' freaking responses
is I'm the one who asked the questions here.
I have no duty to answer the question.
And you better have a reply to that.
Judges are the customer of this court to deny due process
by not allowing the defendant to speak and ask questions.
How is that judge, how is that not a violation
of my rights under color?
Yeah, it's really powerful.
And of course, even though the judge may not
acknowledge the power of what you're saying,
they change how they respond to you.
That's for sure.
Because they face liability if they don't.
And if they're not, then it's our duty
to ask better questions.
So this is why I tell people if your equity doesn't seem
to be working, equity does what it says it will do.
But that human factor you talk about happens
to be on our side as well,
to where if we're standing silent,
if we're not asking strong enough questions,
then we need to ask better questions.
And that's what I tell people.
If your equities doesn't seem to be working,
come up with stronger, equitable questions.
Because there's no way for their, again,
fictional, absentee, maritime, commercial law
to supersede equity.
Equity is in the real world.
Their law is in the matrix and doesn't apply,
for the most part doesn't apply to us
unless it's under contract
or we agree or volunteer for it to be.
And again, the common law part of that is don't cause injury.
When you cause injury,
you take an honorable person, takes an equitable person.
So if equity is not gonna help somebody,
you stab somebody or shot somebody
or intentionally cause injury to somebody,
it's for an equitable person.
Absolutely.
So Andrew, this has been an excellent discussion.
I think it really not only introduces
the actual subject matter,
but also really the philosophy
that goes along with this remedy.
So could you just, you know, to wrap up,
tell us a little bit about the course
you offer, like how you organize it.
What kind of a real commitment does it take
from a student to, you know,
learn equity enough that they can use it freely
as a remedy for appropriate situations?
All right, and there's a lot more information
at our website, freedomwithequity.com
that you said you were gonna put in the notes,
but basically we teach a 12,
might go up to 13 week course
on understanding a lot of the things,
taking deeper dives into everything
that you and I just spoke about
from the vocab words to the laws
to actually, you know, notices,
scripts from the knock at the door script,
telephone script of a debt collector's colony
to its traffic stop script,
to obviously court scripts too,
if someone has the opportunity to be in a courtroom.
The notices, you know,
the system operates on the law of notice.
Well, we have that right as well.
What is notice?
Notice is intelligence by whatever means communicated,
and we operate on that law of notice with equity.
We don't file motions.
So it's a 12, 13 week course that encompasses all that.
We hold classes, sessions every Thursday,
evenings, 6 p.m. mountain time,
obviously 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific.
And for two, two and a half hours
where we're going, a lot of that is Q and A.
So my vision here is to help you
understand not only understand this,
but to be able to integrate this into your heart
because I don't use templates.
I teach you how to write your notices
so that you can understand why.
And that was a big issue in that Patriot Warfare mode
that I talked about is that
we were just using somebody else's affidavit,
somebody else's documents.
And if you don't understand them,
the likelihood that's gonna work
is greatly, greatly decreased.
So I teach you to understand it,
know how you're doing it,
and to be able to handle any situation
that comes your way for the rest of your life.
To be in honor in all aspects of your life
without ever being walked on by anyone or any entity.
And the power of getting that 1,000-pound gorilla
off your shoulders with just life,
or if you do have situations
that are being presented to you,
to be able to know how to handle.
And this resonates with people
because like you mentioned, it's not about fighting.
It's not about knowing their 70 million laws
or whatever are currently on the books right now.
To, yes, learn a few concepts.
The maximums of equity are very, very powerful
to be able to bring remedy to any commercial situation.
Well, that's a fantastic guidance for people.
And let me say that this is not something
that you can just kind of do on your own
after hearing a few interviews like this one,
even from well-respected teachers
because there's a lot of details
because the pioneers in this field
have kind of done the field testing, so to speak.
And we know what is effective and what's not
in terms of how to just structure
and format the documents, how to inquire properly.
And so make sure that you learn this
from a trusted source like Andrew.
And thank you so much for your time today
and for enlightening us
and for taking the risks to acquire this knowledge and wisdom.
Yes, to follow up that,
you're not going to learn this at YouTube University.
But yes, thank you.
Dr. Kaufman, it was a bit of pleasure
and an honor to be here with you.
And yes, if anybody wishes to reach out,
this is what we do.
You can schedule a free 15-minute phone call
from the website if you join as a private member
and be happy to speak with anybody.
All right, fantastic.
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