WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.940 equity makes you equal with that judge. And in order to do that, you have to have this 00:05.940 --> 00:11.080 equity, you know, in your heart, in your soul, and obviously practicing your brain as well 00:11.080 --> 00:16.200 to be able to go and talk to a judge in a courtroom as if they're you're sitting across 00:16.200 --> 00:21.200 from the dinner table from them. No matter how serious the situation is, this is the 00:21.200 --> 00:26.120 true health report where critical appraisal fuels true freedom. 00:32.000 --> 00:37.360 Hello, everyone, and welcome to the true health report. As always, I'm your host, Dr. 00:37.520 --> 00:42.880 Andy Kaufman. Now today, we're going to have a discussion about law and more 00:42.880 --> 00:51.020 specifically equity, which is definitely a hot topic and often misunderstood. So 00:51.020 --> 00:55.380 we're definitely going to lay some things out clearly. And first, let me say 00:55.380 --> 01:02.200 that I have been on a learning journey with respect to the law from for a long 01:02.200 --> 01:07.280 time, really. In fact, I was even involved in legal work in forensic 01:07.280 --> 01:16.720 psychiatry before I left the mainstream. But once I found out about the truth 01:16.720 --> 01:22.800 about law, of course, I was drawn into a rabbit hole and got sidelined many 01:22.800 --> 01:28.700 times. And there's a lot of half truths or partial truths out there. And there's a 01:28.700 --> 01:36.740 lot of risk. But eventually I came upon an area of law that has really a higher 01:36.740 --> 01:42.120 purpose. You could even say a spiritual purpose. But in the practical 01:42.120 --> 01:50.080 world, it is sort of a trump card. And not only does it work to help you 01:50.080 --> 01:56.000 deal with a lot of difficult legal situations, but it also allows you to 01:56.000 --> 02:05.280 act in a very moral way. You don't have to resort to the dirty tricks of the 02:05.280 --> 02:11.060 attorneys and other players in the legal system. So today's guest is 02:11.060 --> 02:16.380 Andrew McDonald. And he is a very interesting gentleman who spent a lot 02:16.380 --> 02:22.220 longer than I did exploring the rabbit holes of law and, in fact, put himself 02:22.220 --> 02:28.200 in jeopardy in several situations. I'm sure he'll talk about today. And now he 02:28.200 --> 02:33.720 has a course and has been teaching for many years, Freedom with Equity. And I 02:33.720 --> 02:39.340 have heard about Andrew from several different other equity teachers that 02:39.340 --> 02:45.120 some of who I learned from or I met through the sort of strange community 02:45.120 --> 02:51.960 of equity teachers. So let me bring Andrew into the discussion. Hello and 02:51.960 --> 02:52.260 welcome. 02:53.480 --> 02:56.020 Thank you, Dr. Kaufman. It's a pleasure to be here with you. 02:57.540 --> 03:02.760 So, Andrew, why don't you kind of start off maybe just introduce yourself a 03:02.760 --> 03:08.500 little bit and tell us some, you know, how you first got interested in the 03:08.500 --> 03:13.000 law and a little bit about your path that led you to where you're at 03:13.000 --> 03:14.720 and the subject matter of today? 03:15.580 --> 03:21.280 Very quickly. I'm a former firefighter paramedic in the 80s, trying to 03:21.280 --> 03:26.120 sit down and do a 1040 form, you know, filing my taxes, wondering, hey, you 03:26.120 --> 03:30.900 know, why am I having to give the government, you know, part of my income 03:30.900 --> 03:36.280 that was the term of the time. And, you know, when I'm barely making it 03:36.280 --> 03:40.640 as my own. So that kind of got me on the path is just, you know, being 03:40.640 --> 03:46.520 a being a truth seeker. Left that service early. We went to my wife and 03:46.520 --> 03:51.900 I went to work for a an MD surgeon in Florida who actually had cured his 03:51.900 --> 03:56.340 brain cancer alternatively. So we went to work for him for a while before we 03:56.340 --> 04:00.160 moved here to Colorado. And, you know, the alternative medicine, as you 04:00.160 --> 04:03.460 know, Dr. Kaufman, alternative medicine field, they're under attack all 04:03.460 --> 04:08.500 the time too. So that alternative medicine path kind of led to the 04:08.500 --> 04:12.800 alternative law path, just as a necessity, not that we're an attack, 04:12.880 --> 04:19.460 but we are in that in that space. So moved to Colorado and got involved 04:19.460 --> 04:25.800 with some what I call Patriot warfare groups to where, you know, I'm 04:25.800 --> 04:30.120 not a taxpayer, you know, I know my rights, you can do this to me after 04:30.120 --> 04:36.260 David's letters, status corrections, and none of it worked. I mean, we 04:36.260 --> 04:40.280 were in that space for 15 years before we finally, you know, got sued by the 04:40.280 --> 04:43.880 Department of Justice and IRS. And it because we didn't know equity, 04:43.940 --> 04:48.700 because we are in that warfare warfare mode, so to speak, it didn't go 04:48.700 --> 04:54.280 well. And we, you know, we pretty much lost everything. And we recover 04:54.280 --> 04:58.440 starting to recover from that, we started learning equity. And, you 04:58.440 --> 05:01.820 know, some guru down in Georgia says, you know, we're on the verge of 05:01.820 --> 05:06.980 homelessness at the time, you can guess because why. And some guru says, 05:07.080 --> 05:11.020 hey, you know, I do find abandoned homes in our area and eventually a judge 05:11.020 --> 05:14.780 will give you, you know, title to it. So we started doing that in our 05:14.780 --> 05:18.560 little town here next thing. And, you know, found some abandoned homes 05:18.560 --> 05:21.280 through grass three feet high, no one been there for seven or eight 05:21.280 --> 05:25.380 years. Next thing you know, I've got cops knocking on the door with a 05:25.380 --> 05:28.760 warrant for my arrest was charged with burglary, criminal 05:28.760 --> 05:32.900 trespass, reporting false documents, because we went through a full 05:32.900 --> 05:36.280 administrator, what they, you know, what they would consider elite, what 05:36.280 --> 05:40.540 patrons would consider a legal administrator process, but not 05:40.540 --> 05:45.240 necessarily. So I was facing 12 years in state in state prison for 05:45.240 --> 05:48.900 those for those charges. And I was just learning equity at the time. 05:48.980 --> 05:52.420 And I knew just not to go in and argue, I didn't we didn't have any 05:52.420 --> 05:56.100 of the notices and stuff that we have these days. It was mostly all 05:56.100 --> 06:00.640 verbal. I mean, I did a, you know, non statutory abatement from that 06:00.640 --> 06:03.620 lead guy back in the late 90s. Earl's got to don't remember his full 06:03.620 --> 06:06.720 name. And the judge out of the hearing, the judge would say, 06:06.800 --> 06:10.680 Andrew, you're facing 12 years in prison, let me hire a turner, 06:10.720 --> 06:13.920 you let me point one for you. And I would just ask questions, 06:14.100 --> 06:17.400 judge, why would I want an attorney don't attorney is simply 06:17.400 --> 06:20.400 a torn for the dead. You know, and we can get they'll go 06:20.400 --> 06:22.700 down that rabbit hole, so to speak, is that's what they're 06:22.700 --> 06:26.500 doing. They're representing the fiction that all caps fiction is, 06:26.500 --> 06:29.800 you know, if you haven't heard of that, then hey, we can go down 06:29.800 --> 06:33.820 that rabbit hole. So that got us into, you know, into this 06:33.820 --> 06:37.220 equity path, we traveled the country down to Texas to learn 06:37.220 --> 06:40.160 from one on the phone with a bunch of other people traveling 06:40.160 --> 06:44.400 to Southern California from for another one. And just learning 06:44.400 --> 06:47.960 this process. And it just resonated so much with us 06:47.960 --> 06:51.540 because it wasn't about fighting. It was about going to 06:51.540 --> 06:55.540 peace with the system, being in honor with the system with the 06:55.540 --> 06:59.180 IRS, Department of Justice, any, but any other government or 06:59.180 --> 07:03.660 court entity out there, banks, without being walked on by by 07:03.660 --> 07:06.920 any of them. And that's that's the remedy we got. So we've 07:06.920 --> 07:09.960 received certificates of releases of liens from the IRS we 07:09.960 --> 07:15.640 received. I know the court case was dismissed without 07:15.640 --> 07:19.200 ever testifying without ever, you know, submitting, filing 07:19.200 --> 07:22.980 any emotions or anything like that. And the most interesting 07:22.980 --> 07:26.280 part is one of the last things the judge said, and this was a 07:26.280 --> 07:30.480 judge with a doctorate degree in law to prosecutors was, well, I 07:30.480 --> 07:34.480 guess that the fifth hearing prosecutor prosecutor came up to 07:34.480 --> 07:37.060 me, gave me a really dirty look and said, we're not going to 07:37.060 --> 07:39.220 prosecute this case. She turned around and walked away when 07:39.220 --> 07:42.200 she when the case got called, she started to explain why 07:42.200 --> 07:45.200 and the judge cut her to cut her off would not let her say 07:45.200 --> 07:47.400 anything else. And he said, this case is hereby 07:47.400 --> 07:51.500 dismissed. And the most important thing, all bonds are 07:51.500 --> 07:55.880 hereby discharged in this matter. And that really got the 07:55.880 --> 07:58.660 things rolling in my head as far as okay, what's going on 07:58.660 --> 08:01.400 with the bonds. And I knew I mean, one of the questions I 08:01.400 --> 08:04.400 would ask the judge and in the hearings was judge, why does 08:04.400 --> 08:07.380 case numbers doesn't just have a QCIP number associated with 08:07.380 --> 08:09.880 doesn't QCIP stand for a committee on uniform security 08:09.880 --> 08:13.880 identification procedures. And it's a number that is 08:13.880 --> 08:16.720 issued by I used to think it was securities exchange 08:16.720 --> 08:20.600 commission. It's not by a global QCIP services. It's part of 08:20.600 --> 08:25.460 the banking system to track every security, you know, in 08:25.460 --> 08:29.380 North America. And I actually actually around the world, you 08:29.380 --> 08:32.840 know, all the countries have. So, you know, I asked that 08:32.840 --> 08:35.300 question, I would just had a list of 2030 questions. 08:35.480 --> 08:37.920 Sometimes I asked them two or three times in a single 08:37.920 --> 08:41.760 hearing. And and I compelled the performance that I 08:41.760 --> 08:45.120 want to happen, not by arguing, not by testifying, 08:45.120 --> 08:48.560 not by filing motions, not by having an attorney, but by 08:48.560 --> 08:51.320 asking the questions that compel the performance that I 08:51.320 --> 08:53.660 wish to happen, which is to hear case dismissed. 08:55.760 --> 09:00.100 Well, Andrew, I think many of the people out there can 09:00.100 --> 09:04.540 certainly relate to some of your experiences, because I 09:04.540 --> 09:09.120 think you mentioned some key aspects. One is that you 09:09.840 --> 09:13.020 started off with a sense of that this isn't right. This 09:13.020 --> 09:17.040 is unfair, that you're being taken advantage of in some 09:17.040 --> 09:21.480 way. And you were searching, right, for a way. And of 09:21.480 --> 09:25.740 course, the reaction to that is, oh, let's fight back. And 09:25.740 --> 09:28.840 it's justified to have those feelings, right? Because 09:28.840 --> 09:33.760 when you've been run over, right, that can lead to 09:33.760 --> 09:39.320 anger. But it's important to note that that feeds the 09:39.320 --> 09:42.140 system. And I think you learned the hard way, 09:42.140 --> 09:44.760 right? That's what the phrase that came into mind when 09:44.760 --> 09:48.540 you were describing your experience and even facing 09:48.540 --> 09:52.300 criminal charges, right, and incarceration. And I can 09:52.300 --> 09:56.700 think of other people that also tried to, you know, 09:56.820 --> 09:59.920 challenge the authority, like through taxes, for 09:59.920 --> 10:03.420 example, and they all ended up actually serving time 10:03.420 --> 10:09.140 because they didn't find this remedy. But I want 10:09.140 --> 10:12.400 people to know that two things about this, and you 10:12.400 --> 10:15.500 know, please give me your perspective is one that if 10:15.500 --> 10:20.000 you don't address this emotional response, it's 10:20.000 --> 10:24.920 going to contaminate your ability to use equity. And 10:24.920 --> 10:29.540 also it's going to, you know, damage your psyche. So 10:29.540 --> 10:32.780 it's in it's in your interest to, you know, realize 10:32.780 --> 10:37.080 that this there's no one in the system who is 10:37.080 --> 10:40.000 personally has a vendetta against you. It's how the 10:40.000 --> 10:43.400 system works and how it was set up and it was set 10:43.400 --> 10:47.600 up, you know, by people in the past that we can't 10:47.600 --> 10:50.420 go back and, you know, change these things, but 10:50.420 --> 10:53.360 we can actually interact with it in a peaceful 10:53.360 --> 10:59.780 way and achieve justice. And so when you talk 10:59.780 --> 11:02.040 about that, you didn't argue, you know, you 11:02.040 --> 11:04.820 didn't testify. And in fact, it's much, much 11:04.820 --> 11:07.840 easier because you don't have to learn the 11:07.840 --> 11:10.900 specifics of the legal statutes and the case law 11:10.900 --> 11:15.220 and the procedure because you're above all of 11:15.220 --> 11:19.620 that. And there's really one way of addressing any 11:19.620 --> 11:22.020 problem with equity, you know, there's minor 11:22.020 --> 11:25.000 variations and there's different documents that 11:25.000 --> 11:28.300 you use, but they're really all the same in a 11:28.300 --> 11:30.920 sense. They're just, you know, different aspects 11:30.920 --> 11:31.860 of the same thing. 11:33.980 --> 11:37.200 Great. And you brought up a really good point is 11:37.200 --> 11:40.120 that, you know, something I initially, every time 11:40.120 --> 11:41.940 we lost, we lost everything and then getting 11:41.940 --> 11:44.580 arrested, you know, I got out the next day from 11:45.640 --> 11:49.140 from being arrested in jail, but really, really 11:49.140 --> 11:51.320 quickly, I had to lose that victimhood 11:51.320 --> 11:53.620 mentality. And that's what you were referencing 11:53.620 --> 11:56.540 initially there was, yes, so many people I 11:56.540 --> 11:59.660 talked to on the phone, you know, it's a 11:59.660 --> 12:01.380 more of a woe was me and the system's 12:01.380 --> 12:03.520 corrupt. And, you know, that corrupt word is 12:03.520 --> 12:05.940 way overused in the Patriot community. Yes, 12:06.320 --> 12:09.580 this is the system we live in. Yes, it's likely 12:09.580 --> 12:15.020 very, very broken. But equity, equity, you 12:15.020 --> 12:16.920 know, I say it's at a higher frequency 12:16.920 --> 12:20.080 spiritually higher vibration. And pretty 12:20.080 --> 12:21.900 much everything that they're doing is under 12:21.900 --> 12:25.220 color of law. And you mentioned that before 12:25.220 --> 12:27.460 the recording start is that, you know, color 12:27.460 --> 12:30.280 means that it's just being done because of 12:30.280 --> 12:33.860 the authority, not that there is actually 12:33.860 --> 12:35.960 any enforceable law. And again, that's not 12:35.960 --> 12:38.500 everything, but that's much of it. And 12:38.500 --> 12:41.280 right, and we saw that play out during 12:41.280 --> 12:44.800 COVID, where, you know, private 12:44.800 --> 12:48.340 corporations were enforcing policies that 12:48.340 --> 12:52.900 weren't actually law. Right. And but they 12:52.900 --> 12:55.320 were doing it as if it were the law. And 12:55.320 --> 12:57.540 that's kind of the color of law, right. 12:57.640 --> 12:59.900 It's like you and you, everyone thought 12:59.900 --> 13:03.920 it was law as well. Right. And but they 13:03.920 --> 13:06.620 willingly, you know, didn't really 13:07.360 --> 13:09.820 investigate it, unfortunately, to find out 13:09.820 --> 13:12.300 that it wasn't. The other aspect of the 13:12.300 --> 13:14.840 color of law thing is government is a 13:14.840 --> 13:17.100 fiction. Government, there's case law 13:17.100 --> 13:18.540 that says, and we don't use case law 13:18.540 --> 13:20.240 and equity, but, you know, I use it to 13:20.240 --> 13:22.100 back up what what we're teaching is 13:22.100 --> 13:24.440 that governments can only deal with 13:24.440 --> 13:25.900 fictions because they're just a 13:25.900 --> 13:27.600 fiction. So that's where I had a whole 13:27.600 --> 13:30.560 all caps name that came from at the 13:30.560 --> 13:32.160 time of our birth. They're creating an 13:32.160 --> 13:34.500 artificial entity. And that's what the 13:34.500 --> 13:36.860 government deals with. So I mean, 13:37.020 --> 13:38.320 because everything you're going to be 13:38.320 --> 13:40.140 getting from a bank, from a court, from 13:40.140 --> 13:42.120 a pretty much, you know, the IRS 13:42.120 --> 13:44.180 taxing authorities, they're going to 13:44.180 --> 13:45.580 have that all caps naming because 13:45.580 --> 13:47.040 that's what they that's how they have 13:47.040 --> 13:49.000 to operate. Now, you know, there's 13:49.000 --> 13:51.320 no separating ourselves from that all 13:51.320 --> 13:53.200 caps names simply because we've used 13:53.200 --> 13:54.500 it our whole lives. You have a 13:54.500 --> 13:56.300 number. You've used it. You have 13:56.300 --> 13:58.440 that birth certificate, which is, you 13:58.440 --> 14:00.200 can hold equitable title to it. But 14:00.200 --> 14:02.460 whose name is at the top the state of 14:02.460 --> 14:04.420 depending on what country you're in 14:04.420 --> 14:05.920 because we operate around the world 14:05.920 --> 14:07.200 here. And 14:08.740 --> 14:11.180 so we've become the surety for that 14:11.180 --> 14:13.680 all caps fictional entity. 14:14.080 --> 14:16.520 So if it gets charged or sent 14:16.520 --> 14:18.900 a bill or whatever, we're the ones 14:18.900 --> 14:21.140 liable to pay or to perform simply 14:21.140 --> 14:22.720 because we're the surety for it. 14:22.800 --> 14:25.440 And that's right. So if I may, 14:25.440 --> 14:28.060 before we could important word, but 14:28.060 --> 14:30.220 it's going to definitely send some 14:30.220 --> 14:32.880 eyes rolling. So so let me 14:32.880 --> 14:35.800 make an analogy that might 14:35.800 --> 14:37.880 simplify to understand this this 14:37.880 --> 14:40.540 process. OK, so let's 14:40.540 --> 14:42.880 say that the government was just 14:42.880 --> 14:45.320 like any other business, but they're 14:45.320 --> 14:46.680 very big business. And this is 14:46.680 --> 14:47.840 actually what they are, right? 14:48.040 --> 14:49.840 They're a corporation. You can go 14:49.840 --> 14:52.500 and look them up on the database 14:52.500 --> 14:54.740 find various corporations 14:55.320 --> 14:57.060 with slightly different names, right? 14:57.480 --> 15:00.000 So businesses can only do business 15:00.000 --> 15:02.100 with other businesses and they need, 15:02.280 --> 15:04.340 you know, people like men and women 15:04.340 --> 15:06.020 to represent them because 15:06.660 --> 15:08.400 they can't act on their own, right? 15:08.520 --> 15:10.380 They're just a fictional entity 15:10.380 --> 15:11.880 or a stack of papers, right? 15:12.280 --> 15:13.960 The Articles of Incorporation 15:13.960 --> 15:16.860 or or a birth certificate 15:16.860 --> 15:18.940 if it's us. So when 15:18.940 --> 15:21.520 this all caps name or straw man, 15:21.520 --> 15:22.940 there are many, you know, terms 15:22.940 --> 15:26.040 and legis was created 15:26.040 --> 15:28.680 for us or, you know, maybe 15:28.680 --> 15:30.060 by our parents in part. 15:30.740 --> 15:33.680 That is our business, right? 15:33.780 --> 15:35.300 It's just like if we went and formed 15:35.300 --> 15:38.220 an LLC or a C Corp. 15:38.220 --> 15:40.200 It's its own category, maybe 15:40.200 --> 15:41.620 that's slightly different from those. 15:41.880 --> 15:43.420 But, you know, it's a business 15:43.420 --> 15:45.600 because we can't do business 15:45.600 --> 15:47.880 with a business unless we have a business. 15:48.620 --> 15:49.980 That's just the rules of it. 15:49.980 --> 15:52.180 We can do things with other men and women, 15:52.180 --> 15:56.120 but that's outside of commerce, right? 15:56.260 --> 15:58.700 And that it might be said to be in common law 15:58.700 --> 16:00.680 if we want to make a legal analogy. 16:00.820 --> 16:01.700 But we know it's different. 16:01.900 --> 16:03.320 You know, you do things man to man. 16:04.260 --> 16:05.860 You make an agreement, you know, 16:05.880 --> 16:07.460 you don't go record that agreement 16:07.460 --> 16:08.740 in the county courthouse 16:09.380 --> 16:11.480 like you do when you're in commerce 16:11.480 --> 16:15.100 and businesses, you know, have liabilities 16:15.100 --> 16:17.800 and they have assets and, right? 16:17.800 --> 16:20.300 So if you, you know, if your employee, 16:20.600 --> 16:21.880 for example, of your business 16:22.760 --> 16:27.320 uses your business's credit card to buy, you know, supplies, 16:28.040 --> 16:30.740 then that liability then becomes yours, 16:30.780 --> 16:33.020 even though you you're the owner of the business, 16:33.020 --> 16:35.520 but you didn't make the purchase. 16:36.020 --> 16:37.400 It's still you owe that money. 16:38.100 --> 16:40.860 And so in a way, without knowing it, 16:40.940 --> 16:44.800 we're sort of like we have took on that obligation 16:45.980 --> 16:47.680 without actually knowing it. 16:47.840 --> 16:52.060 And that's what being a surety means in sort of lay terms. 16:53.840 --> 16:56.340 And another way to look at it is, yes, 16:56.480 --> 16:58.980 those are pieces of paper and a living soul 16:58.980 --> 17:02.420 needs to give those fictions commercial energy 17:02.900 --> 17:06.660 and how to do that is with the Federal Reserve notes 17:06.660 --> 17:08.780 or the dollars or whatever currency you're using 17:08.780 --> 17:12.000 as well as as well as the pen, you know, 17:12.000 --> 17:15.800 our signature provides we are the chateau for the system. 17:15.960 --> 17:18.260 We are the commercial energy that keeps the system going. 17:19.320 --> 17:21.540 And whether it's at the government level 17:21.540 --> 17:25.520 or at our level as well with those entities 17:25.520 --> 17:30.960 that we supposedly own or or run at least or manage 17:30.960 --> 17:32.920 because of our surety ship. 17:33.280 --> 17:36.240 But yes, this is the pen is very, very powerful. 17:36.420 --> 17:38.060 We have the power of the pen as well. 17:38.660 --> 17:41.140 So when you say the commercial energy, 17:41.140 --> 17:45.540 you're talking about the commercial energy to settle 17:46.060 --> 17:48.340 those debts or liabilities, right, 17:48.520 --> 17:52.860 that our straw man or our business has incurred. 17:53.800 --> 17:56.880 And, you know, would you say that there is a choice 17:56.880 --> 17:59.820 that you can use the commercial energy of the pen 17:59.820 --> 18:03.560 or you can use the commercial energy of your of your labor? 18:05.140 --> 18:06.100 Actually, both. 18:06.260 --> 18:09.060 And it's not just the the equity part of it. 18:09.060 --> 18:11.920 It's actually the system itself, you know, banking, 18:12.140 --> 18:15.480 you sign a check, your commercial energy allows them 18:15.480 --> 18:18.880 to use fractionalized banking to expand that credit, 18:18.980 --> 18:20.100 expand that money supply. 18:20.260 --> 18:24.340 So it's not just us, it's the whole system itself. 18:25.520 --> 18:27.660 And, you know, because of that, 18:27.740 --> 18:30.260 that this commercial energy with with the pen, 18:30.700 --> 18:34.200 it can be yes, it can bring us remedy, you know, 18:34.220 --> 18:37.180 and I don't know when you want to get into talk about definitions. 18:37.180 --> 18:39.080 But one of my favorite words is obligation. 18:40.020 --> 18:42.740 We have that obligation we have, you know, 18:42.800 --> 18:44.800 our rights are granted to us by God, Creator, 18:45.040 --> 18:47.040 universe, whatever you call it. 18:47.500 --> 18:49.920 But the contracts that we've rented into 18:49.920 --> 18:52.820 through our life have superseded those rights. 18:53.580 --> 18:55.100 My favorite one is the first one. 18:55.240 --> 18:57.620 Most people sign is the application for the driver's license. 18:58.020 --> 18:59.960 You know, we have a right to travel in the common ways. 19:00.040 --> 19:02.280 And I'm not saying people should give up their driver's license. 19:02.500 --> 19:04.060 Statutes are there because they work. 19:04.460 --> 19:06.000 Not everybody should be behind the wheel. 19:06.000 --> 19:07.960 Without that little piece of plastic. 19:08.320 --> 19:12.160 But, you know, when we assign those contracts, 19:12.680 --> 19:15.700 we've turned our right, that driver's license application, 19:15.980 --> 19:16.880 into a privilege. 19:17.580 --> 19:20.980 Rights can't be taken away unless we volunteer for them to be, 19:21.060 --> 19:21.620 for the most part. 19:22.100 --> 19:25.640 Privileges can be much, much, much, much more easier, easily. 19:26.340 --> 19:29.180 So because of that, signing a way of the contract, 19:29.440 --> 19:31.780 superseding our creator granted rights, 19:32.940 --> 19:36.880 that's what has gotten us into the issues that we have 19:36.880 --> 19:38.180 throughout our lives. 19:38.320 --> 19:41.380 The older we are, the more we've signed. 19:41.900 --> 19:44.340 The nice part is, is equity can provide remedy 19:44.340 --> 19:47.420 for any of those mistakes that we've made in the past. 19:48.320 --> 19:51.020 Right. So just to clarify that, 19:51.140 --> 19:53.800 because this is a really important example 19:54.380 --> 19:56.120 with the driver's license. 19:56.300 --> 19:59.900 So let's say we didn't, you know, sign that contract 19:59.900 --> 20:01.260 or enter into that agreement. 20:01.860 --> 20:04.660 We have the God given right to travel. 20:04.840 --> 20:07.680 So we could have, you know, some kind of, 20:08.300 --> 20:11.940 you know, motorized mechanism that we could take 20:11.940 --> 20:15.300 from point A to point B freely without having to, 20:15.540 --> 20:19.140 you know, be subject to the regulations of the roads. 20:19.920 --> 20:23.360 But there is, you know, and that's how it was originally. 20:23.620 --> 20:26.520 Right. But then, well, what happens, you know, 20:26.640 --> 20:29.320 when someone is drunk and smashes into you, 20:29.900 --> 20:31.020 and that kind of thing. 20:31.840 --> 20:35.420 So, you know, the regulations came from the government 20:35.420 --> 20:39.040 and that means that when you enter into that, 20:39.220 --> 20:42.040 you're essentially like driving a company car 20:42.040 --> 20:45.540 on a closed track where there are certain rules. 20:47.080 --> 20:50.020 And, you know, and you participate in commerce 20:50.020 --> 20:54.260 with your vehicle, right, because you use your credit card 20:54.260 --> 20:57.860 or the Federal Reserve note to purchase fuel 20:58.370 --> 20:59.560 for the vehicle. 21:00.500 --> 21:02.880 And then you go take it to the store 21:02.880 --> 21:07.080 where you shop in commerce, right, or you drive it to work. 21:07.780 --> 21:11.400 So, you know, it seems legitimate to me. 21:11.560 --> 21:15.680 But of course, it may sometimes be unfair 21:16.490 --> 21:20.020 or prejudicial and you can participate it. 21:20.060 --> 21:22.240 But if you are treated unfairly, 21:22.300 --> 21:25.660 then you have equity as a remedy. 21:27.860 --> 21:28.940 Is that correct? 21:29.580 --> 21:31.340 As you mentioned, everything to do with business 21:31.340 --> 21:32.900 out there is commercial area. 21:33.180 --> 21:35.720 Railroad versus Tompkins 1930 Supreme Court case. 21:36.040 --> 21:37.740 Turn turn that around a lot. 21:38.080 --> 21:41.260 So so, yes, an equity can provide remedy 21:41.260 --> 21:43.800 for any commercial matter, any matter in commerce. 21:44.240 --> 21:48.120 And and so, yes, you know, we started talking about an obligation. 21:48.560 --> 21:51.660 You know, one of the books we use is Burton's legal thesaurus, 21:51.860 --> 21:52.700 one of my favorites. 21:53.160 --> 21:56.620 And if you look up obligation there, thesaurus is synonyms, 21:56.620 --> 21:58.980 but it also has maxims in there as well. 22:00.040 --> 22:03.240 And, you know, in several places in this book, it says obligations 22:03.240 --> 22:06.620 are unbound in the same manner in which they were made binding. 22:07.060 --> 22:09.720 Well, how are they made binding with this? 22:09.940 --> 22:12.400 You know, our signatures could be other ways of making agreements 22:12.400 --> 22:13.940 for the most part with our signature, 22:14.700 --> 22:16.700 which can be a checkbox on the Internet. 22:16.900 --> 22:18.220 So, you know, I get calls all the time. 22:18.360 --> 22:21.400 I didn't I didn't sign anything for that credit card agreement. 22:21.520 --> 22:23.200 Well, yes, you did. You check something 22:23.200 --> 22:24.340 and you're using the plastic. 22:24.580 --> 22:25.580 There's an agreement somewhere. 22:26.060 --> 22:27.660 But how can that be unbound? 22:27.940 --> 22:30.220 It can be unbound again with your signature 22:30.220 --> 22:33.040 the same way that it was made obligatory. 22:33.500 --> 22:37.900 Now, you're referring to the equitable right of rescission here, right? 22:38.620 --> 22:41.900 Decision or or the other the other right is acceptance. 22:42.200 --> 22:45.260 Their their banking term is through an acceptance process. 22:45.700 --> 22:49.360 So so, yeah, I mean, if they're, you know, they send you a bill 22:49.360 --> 22:52.720 and about banking or something in authority, not a private debt. 22:52.720 --> 22:55.880 Like you talked about man to man or man to woman or woman to woman 22:56.480 --> 22:59.760 is that, you know, they're giving you all the money to pay 23:00.420 --> 23:03.960 what we cannot pay because there's no lawful money on the planet. 23:04.140 --> 23:06.400 Everything's a fiat currency around the globe. 23:07.300 --> 23:10.000 So, you know, in 19 so would you mind 23:10.840 --> 23:15.080 expanding on like how that came to be with the fiat currency 23:15.080 --> 23:18.660 because it is kind of the basis whereby 23:19.320 --> 23:23.880 the the commercial energy source is is different than it once was. 23:24.280 --> 23:26.940 Sure. And everybody's been around for a couple of thousand years, 23:27.180 --> 23:30.420 but in around most pretty much around the world around 1933, 23:31.040 --> 23:32.600 they took away the gold and the silver. 23:33.060 --> 23:37.940 In this country, HDR 192, Public Law 7310, where the most 23:37.940 --> 23:41.640 a lot of constitutions around the world say that nothing but gold and silver 23:41.640 --> 23:43.120 shall be used for the payment of debts. 23:43.460 --> 23:46.200 Our Constitution in the United States says no state shall make anything 23:46.200 --> 23:47.940 but gold and silver for the payment of debts. 23:48.780 --> 23:51.080 Because they took that ability away, 23:52.280 --> 23:56.740 they and they gave us a fiat currency where in this country, 1971, 23:56.940 --> 24:00.140 the final nail in the coffin was where it was completely taken off 24:00.140 --> 24:04.640 the gold standard by Nixon and that, you know, banking realm 24:05.260 --> 24:06.980 that we can't pay for anything. 24:07.100 --> 24:10.140 All we can do is discharge debts dollar for dollar. 24:10.560 --> 24:14.680 So because we can't initially pay like people think about pay for things. 24:15.060 --> 24:18.020 How can you pay for something with a debt instrument? 24:18.020 --> 24:21.000 You know, pull those Fed Reserve notes out of your wallet, your purse 24:21.000 --> 24:23.580 and says Fed Reserve note at the top. 24:24.100 --> 24:27.400 You know, if you look up the definition of money, it says excludes notes, 24:27.640 --> 24:29.120 bonds and evidences of debt. 24:29.540 --> 24:31.500 Well, it's a note. It's a bond. 24:31.700 --> 24:32.800 It's got signatures on it. 24:33.100 --> 24:35.020 And those two things are both debt instruments. 24:35.240 --> 24:39.040 So three strikes and those FRNs in your Fed Reserve notes 24:39.040 --> 24:42.540 in your waltz and purses do not fit the legal definition of money. 24:42.700 --> 24:46.580 They are legal tender that only discharge debts. 24:46.580 --> 24:48.540 They don't pay a debt. 24:48.740 --> 24:50.060 So we can't pay for anything. 24:50.300 --> 24:51.520 And they had to give us a remedy. 24:51.880 --> 24:52.840 And that's what we teach. 24:52.960 --> 24:53.820 That's what we talk about. 24:54.060 --> 24:57.160 We're using their system and giving them the commercial energy 24:57.160 --> 25:01.380 to discharge a debt because, again, Fed Reserve notes 25:01.380 --> 25:04.720 are considered basically a substitute for money as legal tender. 25:05.300 --> 25:09.280 But so does so we can submit commercial energy, i.e. 25:09.480 --> 25:12.620 in negotiation in accordance with negotiable instruments 25:12.620 --> 25:15.900 laws around the world to actually give them the commercial energy 25:15.900 --> 25:18.860 to discharge a debt, which does it without arguing, 25:19.040 --> 25:22.160 without fighting, without telling them to validate the debt. 25:22.240 --> 25:23.660 They don't validate any debt. 25:23.760 --> 25:24.640 They have your signature. 25:25.480 --> 25:27.660 So they don't need to validate these debts. 25:27.900 --> 25:30.880 And so that was something that worked 15, 20 years ago 25:30.880 --> 25:33.760 around so while they've gotten around it. 25:34.000 --> 25:36.900 And they still continue to what I call move the cheese. 25:37.320 --> 25:40.580 And this is why we've got to stay, keep our fingers on the pulse 25:40.580 --> 25:44.080 of what's going on out there because as they move the cheese 25:44.080 --> 25:47.660 with trying to get around our equity, we need to grow and move with it. 25:47.720 --> 25:51.060 And that's exactly what I make sure that I do with this is to, 25:51.720 --> 25:54.940 you know, I'm constantly working on making it easier 25:55.940 --> 25:59.320 for our students and so forth to to bring remedy. 25:59.820 --> 26:02.600 And I truly believe there's going to be a time here 26:03.520 --> 26:06.880 relatively soon where, you know, we'll be able to win 26:06.880 --> 26:09.780 almost every court case bringing equity. 26:09.940 --> 26:12.300 We'll be able to stop every foreclosure out there 26:12.300 --> 26:16.380 because of because of the knowledge of the system that's coming in 26:16.380 --> 26:19.800 and seeing that knowledge with equity eyes, 26:19.860 --> 26:24.520 hearing with equity ears to be able to apply our equity to bring remedy 26:24.520 --> 26:27.320 and stop being walked on by the system. 26:27.620 --> 26:31.680 And again, does take an honorable person to be able to receive equity 26:31.680 --> 26:35.720 because it is all about honor, peace, honor and justice 26:35.720 --> 26:37.780 by fair dealing by definition. 26:38.800 --> 26:43.290 Well, I love your optimistic viewpoint here. 26:43.900 --> 26:46.380 And I definitely share the enthusiasm. 26:48.300 --> 26:52.940 You were just to kind of summarize a lot of what you said here 26:52.940 --> 27:01.400 is that our current financial system, right, is does not have 27:01.400 --> 27:04.980 anything of actual tangible value in it, right? 27:04.980 --> 27:09.960 Nothing that really meets the the true definition of money. 27:10.180 --> 27:15.620 But what people think of as money and even the Federal Reserve has written, 27:15.800 --> 27:18.760 you know, papers sort of redefining money 27:21.980 --> 27:25.240 is really just negotiable instruments 27:25.980 --> 27:28.740 and they're really debt instruments. 27:29.840 --> 27:34.540 So, of course, how can you settle a debt with a debt? 27:34.540 --> 27:39.320 So there has to be another way to go about this. 27:39.560 --> 27:41.480 And that's what we're talking here. 27:41.640 --> 27:46.060 So can you just tell us a little bit about like, what exactly is a negotiable instrument 27:46.710 --> 27:50.020 and why have we been using those our whole life 27:50.020 --> 27:52.640 and not even know that what we're using is that? 27:54.120 --> 27:58.280 And what is the source of law that we would look to 27:58.280 --> 28:03.200 to help from which equity is based on that would help us resolve these matters? 28:03.920 --> 28:04.760 Some question. 28:05.240 --> 28:08.580 One of the books I teach out of is Levine's manual on commercial law. 28:09.460 --> 28:13.180 Lincoln Levine was a New York CPA attorney who realized 28:13.180 --> 28:16.500 this book was published to the National District was published in 1948, 28:16.720 --> 28:18.300 15 years after the money changed. 28:18.820 --> 28:22.860 And these attorneys in CPA started to realize, hey, they've taken away the money. 28:23.400 --> 28:26.680 You know, we can only we can't pay for anything anymore. 28:26.820 --> 28:29.040 So if you if you have the digital version of that book 28:29.040 --> 28:32.960 or, you know, if you have a hard to find hard copy of it, 28:33.200 --> 28:35.320 then we're going to have a hard copy. 28:36.000 --> 28:37.440 So so do I. I've got a couple. 28:38.220 --> 28:44.740 And and where it says payment, it says payment or acceptance. 28:45.780 --> 28:48.240 Now, this this didn't happen in 1938. 28:48.580 --> 28:52.480 I've got another book that, you know, in published in 1888 28:53.200 --> 28:58.360 that talks about discharge of debts with negotiable instruments. 28:58.760 --> 29:01.040 And the negotiable instrument to answer your question 29:01.040 --> 29:05.020 is basically anything that has commercial energy to it. 29:05.720 --> 29:08.160 So again, I talked about this, you know, your signature, 29:08.400 --> 29:10.440 the pen being giving the commercial energy. 29:10.680 --> 29:15.140 If there's an instrument, you know, that and we go down that rap 29:15.140 --> 29:18.320 all this is any, you know, offer or a presentment 29:18.320 --> 29:19.840 that gets put in front of your face. 29:20.300 --> 29:25.780 And once you sign that instrument, it can become a negotiable instrument. 29:26.260 --> 29:28.260 And we obviously we just don't do that. 29:28.340 --> 29:30.140 We follow this up with proper notice 29:30.140 --> 29:34.480 and everything that goes along with it to put whoever you're returning 29:34.480 --> 29:38.560 that instrument to that there is some performance expected. 29:39.280 --> 29:44.400 Andrew isn't like just simply like the two kinds of negotiable instruments. 29:44.660 --> 29:48.560 It's either a promise to pay or an order to pay. 29:48.840 --> 29:53.860 Right. And so when you get the the payment voucher 29:53.860 --> 29:56.780 or the, you know, the bill, right? 29:56.780 --> 30:00.820 And a bill is a basically means bill of exchange, 30:00.960 --> 30:03.560 which is an order to pay, right? 30:03.840 --> 30:07.700 That's so that's the kind of instrument that you have in that situation. 30:07.800 --> 30:13.120 Whereas like a fiat note, right? 30:13.440 --> 30:15.680 A Federal Reserve note is called a note 30:15.680 --> 30:18.980 because note means promissory note, which is a promise to pay. 30:20.440 --> 30:25.180 And the is there is there an example, the acceptance? 30:25.180 --> 30:28.400 Like, is there an example from banking that we would know? 30:28.560 --> 30:33.220 Like, isn't a bank check also an acceptance of a negotiable instrument? 30:34.020 --> 30:38.640 And it is a negotiable instrument that you obviously someone endorses or signs 30:38.640 --> 30:41.480 and hands it to somebody they take it to their bank. 30:41.820 --> 30:43.460 Their bank accepts it. 30:44.200 --> 30:48.800 And so that's what causes the commercial energy transfer from one bank to another. 30:49.140 --> 30:51.680 Is what's an order of pay? 30:51.880 --> 30:54.420 It's a it's a it's a bill of exchange, so to speak. 30:54.420 --> 30:56.980 Now, I don't want to get into bills of exchanges because those are supposed 30:56.980 --> 30:58.580 to be from one bank to another. 30:58.800 --> 31:01.700 And a lot of people out there trying to use bills of exchange to discharge debt. 31:01.840 --> 31:04.820 Right. Well, we're not we're not telling people to create 31:04.820 --> 31:06.920 their own negotiable instruments from scratch. 31:08.240 --> 31:09.600 That very important point. 31:10.000 --> 31:13.580 The other thing I wanted to clarify, too, is this isn't just about banking. 31:13.900 --> 31:17.000 You know, the example I use is it can be about performance, too. 31:17.640 --> 31:19.540 The billing inspector knocks on your door 31:19.540 --> 31:23.060 because you put a shed on your property without asking their permission. 31:23.060 --> 31:28.060 You know, we can accept and return that offer or that presentment 31:28.060 --> 31:31.340 to the building department and expecting their performance 31:31.340 --> 31:33.600 to to go away and leave you alone. 31:33.780 --> 31:34.840 Now, will they or not? 31:35.040 --> 31:36.240 I mean, there's no silver bullet. 31:36.400 --> 31:39.600 There's no magic fairy dust or anything to make things just magically disappear. 31:40.040 --> 31:41.380 But invention does work. 31:41.460 --> 31:43.820 So it's not just accounting and monetary. 31:44.440 --> 31:47.720 It can be that obligation can be performance as well. 31:48.120 --> 31:51.720 But Andrew, isn't there even an accounting in that example 31:51.720 --> 31:57.240 because wouldn't they try to give you a fine for violating their their code? 31:58.060 --> 32:01.120 And that as well as they want to what they want to do, 32:01.160 --> 32:04.260 go down and get a pay for a permit, right? 32:04.400 --> 32:06.820 You know, to so justifying their existence, 32:07.560 --> 32:08.780 feeding the system. 32:09.000 --> 32:14.760 And yes, if you if you don't, there's a possibility of of a fine possibility. 32:15.240 --> 32:19.160 Doesn't mean, you know, I teach and knock at the door, you know, 32:19.160 --> 32:21.640 a script how to handle people that knock and knock at your door 32:21.640 --> 32:25.000 to make it a much higher chance that that fine doesn't happen. 32:25.360 --> 32:29.520 They, you know, took their tail and go away and we've done that. 32:30.300 --> 32:33.240 So, you know, and again, it's all about commerce. 32:33.540 --> 32:37.340 They have a they have a duty to keep us in their realm of existence 32:37.340 --> 32:41.880 for all the reasons to justify their their their positions 32:41.880 --> 32:45.160 to protect the emergencies that happened around the world. 32:45.300 --> 32:48.120 1933, where they took away the money, it's all about that. 32:48.120 --> 32:50.840 The judges, the attorneys, you know, it's all about commerce 32:50.840 --> 32:54.480 and and it's all about protecting that the system, 32:54.660 --> 32:58.460 that ability, maritime, commercial, statutory fiat system 32:58.460 --> 33:01.860 that the world operates in right now, because there's not enough 33:01.860 --> 33:06.300 gold and silver on the planet to for the expansion of the money supply, 33:06.520 --> 33:09.760 the credit that they that they've created, the system they've created. 33:09.900 --> 33:13.100 So they have to use us, you know, again, that commercial energy. 33:13.200 --> 33:14.380 You mentioned the birth certificate. 33:14.380 --> 33:17.640 When we first started looking, you know, learning about this 33:18.140 --> 33:23.420 over 20 years ago, 26 plus years ago now, you know, people would say, 33:23.440 --> 33:26.900 yeah, the birth certificate is being traded and it's worth about $650,000. 33:27.660 --> 33:30.980 Well, the last time I heard from someone say something about it 33:30.980 --> 33:32.720 was about $55 million. 33:33.320 --> 33:36.660 So that's the expansion, you know, of the credit supply, 33:36.860 --> 33:42.040 the money supply around the world to where this is the system that we're in. 33:42.040 --> 33:45.000 We look at inflation right now, hyperinflation. 33:45.460 --> 33:47.200 That just means the value of the dollar. 33:47.440 --> 33:48.860 Look at gold and silver right now. 33:49.080 --> 33:51.880 That just means it takes more dollars of those debt 33:51.880 --> 33:55.220 instruments to to purchase those metals. 33:55.480 --> 33:58.060 It's not that those prices or costs are going up. 33:58.180 --> 34:01.360 The value of the dollars going down, which obviously is going to mean 34:01.800 --> 34:04.720 that those costs are going up with food and everything else. 34:05.340 --> 34:08.120 So and that's what happens in a fiat fake 34:08.760 --> 34:12.080 fiend money money system and there has to be remedy. 34:12.580 --> 34:16.060 You know, there should be nobody, you know, the veterans out there living 34:16.060 --> 34:18.580 under in refrigerator boxes under bridges. 34:18.720 --> 34:22.780 No one should be losing their home because they couldn't pay their mortgage. 34:23.180 --> 34:26.560 Their mortgage is paid for at closing when they sat across on the title 34:26.560 --> 34:30.300 closer, that promissory note was deposited like a check 34:30.880 --> 34:33.780 and, you know, stand up for deposit only on the back 34:33.780 --> 34:36.780 deposited at the Fed window or some commercial bank. 34:36.780 --> 34:40.500 And those funds were created from someone's signature 34:40.500 --> 34:43.420 to buy their purchase, their house or their land. 34:44.280 --> 34:47.620 So, you know, that's the system and that's the broken part of the system 34:47.620 --> 34:50.100 that that remit that equity can remedy. 34:50.440 --> 34:53.340 And that goes with any pretty much anything to do with banking. 34:53.940 --> 34:55.340 Banks don't loan money. 34:55.580 --> 34:57.120 You know, everybody thinks that they do. 34:57.260 --> 34:58.380 A lot of people think they do. 34:58.680 --> 35:03.240 The great awakening that you and I and others are bringing bringing 35:03.240 --> 35:07.000 to light here is that, no, banks don't loan money. 35:07.160 --> 35:10.280 They're loaning your own credit that you created with with your pen. 35:11.280 --> 35:13.740 So major. That's right. 35:14.060 --> 35:19.080 And and, you know, are there sources in statute 35:19.080 --> 35:25.680 where people can kind of verify that that that is actually how loans work? 35:27.020 --> 35:29.180 Not necessarily statutes. 35:29.340 --> 35:30.740 I mean, there's, you know, modern money 35:30.740 --> 35:36.060 mechanics put out a flyer, what in the 80s, saying that, you know, 35:36.160 --> 35:39.860 the borrow is the source of the of the of the money. 35:40.160 --> 35:42.140 You know, they didn't come out and say it exactly. 35:42.400 --> 35:44.500 But, you know, the calling of promissory 35:44.500 --> 35:48.780 and a transaction deposit, which is based the same thing 35:48.780 --> 35:51.800 as when you write a check, that's a transaction deposit. 35:52.020 --> 35:54.680 So they're they were leading us down that road. 35:54.900 --> 35:56.540 They had nothing since then. 35:56.640 --> 35:58.700 But there's all kinds of economists out there. 35:58.700 --> 36:01.820 What about the Federal Reserve Act, Section 19? 36:02.480 --> 36:06.340 Yeah. And again, it's all it's all about creating 36:06.900 --> 36:11.480 that fiat currency, Federal Reserve Act, yes, of 1913, 36:11.880 --> 36:16.820 where the banking system was was basically switched over 36:16.820 --> 36:23.100 from of something of substance to over to form to the fiat part of it. 36:23.540 --> 36:27.940 So, yes, that's that's there for people that want to make deep dives. 36:27.940 --> 36:31.380 But just, I mean, we're all we're all involved in YouTube 36:31.380 --> 36:35.180 University these days, and there's plenty of economists and people. 36:35.640 --> 36:39.640 There was someone who I was involved with Tom Schauff many, many years ago, 36:39.640 --> 36:42.540 who was one of the first CPA auditors that prove 36:42.540 --> 36:46.960 that the banks don't banks don't loan money just on the accounting side 36:46.960 --> 36:49.040 of it, generally accepted accounting principles. 36:49.960 --> 36:53.380 And I mean, that has expanded and become very, very 36:53.380 --> 36:57.500 GAAP is coming back into the picture these days because 36:57.500 --> 37:01.120 it goes even deeper than what we know, what we know a long time, 37:01.200 --> 37:02.500 what we knew a long time ago. Right. 37:02.540 --> 37:05.960 And these are the general accounting practices that you're mentioning. 37:06.300 --> 37:10.360 And and you can find expert economists and bankers, 37:10.520 --> 37:16.340 not the majority, but who explain this as a factual aspect of the banking system. 37:18.080 --> 37:21.320 So, you know, we're not we're not talking fiction here. 37:21.520 --> 37:24.040 This this is actually the way things work. 37:24.040 --> 37:30.100 Now, I think it's helpful, Andrew, to explain this in a slightly different way, 37:30.180 --> 37:36.160 because a lot of folks might feel that this is going to harm the system. 37:36.420 --> 37:41.200 If you, you know, don't pay with the wages of your hard-earned labor, 37:41.680 --> 37:46.040 your debts, instead, you, you know, use the acceptance process 37:46.040 --> 37:50.740 and your signature is that, you know, how is the national debt created 37:50.740 --> 37:54.800 and how is using equity affecting that? 37:55.340 --> 37:59.000 Because if, you know, kind of, I think what you're saying is that 37:59.000 --> 38:04.760 when you access credit is that creates more currency 38:04.760 --> 38:06.880 and could contribute to inflation. 38:07.300 --> 38:11.580 So using equity to settle it, how does that affect the equation? 38:11.960 --> 38:14.580 Good question. And I'll go around it a little bit differently. 38:15.280 --> 38:18.400 When, as far as the national debt go, every few are at a check 38:18.400 --> 38:20.460 every month through your credit cards for your mortgage, 38:20.840 --> 38:23.880 already mentioned fractionalized banking, which is not a secret. 38:24.200 --> 38:28.000 You can ask any economist or CPA out there and they know this. 38:28.800 --> 38:29.180 Right. 38:29.620 --> 38:33.420 Fractional reserve lending is, I think, the exact term. 38:35.100 --> 38:36.100 Fractional reserve banking. 38:36.840 --> 38:39.400 When you were if you were to check for a thousand dollars, 38:39.700 --> 38:43.400 fractional is banking allows the banks, the banking system, 38:43.400 --> 38:46.560 to expand that to at least nine times. 38:46.560 --> 38:47.840 That's what it was years ago. 38:48.120 --> 38:51.260 I've heard unofficially that it's been it's much higher than that. 38:51.420 --> 38:53.300 So you are to check for a nine thousand dollars. 38:53.360 --> 38:57.320 They're allowed to expand that to at least nine thousand dollars, nine times. 38:58.460 --> 39:02.280 That's, you know, that's a major part of the money supply expansion 39:02.280 --> 39:04.600 of the money supply, but also the national debt. 39:05.000 --> 39:08.460 So when you write a check, you're actually increasing the national debt 39:08.460 --> 39:11.400 every time you write a check or run that plastic 39:11.400 --> 39:13.000 because the same they're doing the same thing. 39:13.500 --> 39:17.240 When when bringing equity and we do an acceptance on it, 39:17.300 --> 39:20.400 it's my belief and understanding is that we're not. 39:20.920 --> 39:22.140 They can't expand. 39:22.380 --> 39:25.960 They can't use that that acceptance to expand the money supply. 39:26.180 --> 39:29.740 So if anything, it's probably decreasing the money supply 39:29.740 --> 39:33.260 or decreasing the debt by bringing equity 39:33.260 --> 39:36.940 versus expanding it like when you're using their system, 39:36.940 --> 39:39.100 writing checks and using using the plastic. 39:40.020 --> 39:43.420 And again, it's just about discharging debt. 39:43.560 --> 39:44.800 It's not about paying it. 39:44.960 --> 39:47.480 And this is not about getting out of things. 39:47.760 --> 39:50.080 You when you want to start to understand the system, 39:50.320 --> 39:54.640 another good way to explain it is, you know, when you do an application 39:54.640 --> 39:58.180 for a credit card, that application is monetized. 39:58.240 --> 39:59.620 In other words, it's securitized. 39:59.720 --> 40:03.220 Even it's often from what we hear, even if you get turned down for credit, 40:03.320 --> 40:08.500 they're still using your signature to create, create, you know, 40:08.500 --> 40:12.980 digits and those things are basically those things are being securitized. 40:13.080 --> 40:16.640 Almost everything we do that any account number, 40:16.840 --> 40:20.880 official account number with the bank, court, government 40:21.940 --> 40:25.240 authority, taxing authority has been monetized. 40:25.340 --> 40:25.980 What does that mean? 40:26.200 --> 40:30.760 It means it's been put into the system to where it's being traded 40:30.760 --> 40:35.300 on the open markets, either the bond market, stock market, some some kind of market. 40:35.600 --> 40:38.280 Well, I mean, these are all forms of derivatives, really. 40:39.900 --> 40:40.300 Correct. 40:40.500 --> 40:43.020 Derailed derivatives are just a whole bunch of packed ones, right? 40:43.520 --> 40:45.780 Then, you know, a bunch of back pack securities, derivatives, 40:46.100 --> 40:49.920 born just back securities to where they take a bunch of those securities. 40:50.280 --> 40:55.120 And it was a way to make even more of those digits by bundling them up together 40:55.120 --> 40:59.140 and, you know, and selling and selling them off and trading them on the open market. 40:59.140 --> 41:03.520 And we can improve this with that QCIP number, you know, that I mentioned earlier, 41:03.880 --> 41:07.220 you know, when someone has this a serious court case 41:07.660 --> 41:10.520 and, you know, we can pull it, we can get a QCIP number. 41:10.660 --> 41:12.440 We can't pull it. It's not available on the Internet. 41:12.660 --> 41:15.240 It has to be you have to be a certain license to do it. 41:15.980 --> 41:19.020 But, you know, that QCIP is a serious three, 41:19.200 --> 41:24.840 a serious three brokers license and then a one of those accounts 41:24.840 --> 41:26.840 that cost like 30,000 a year. 41:27.280 --> 41:28.860 I heard like a series seven. 41:29.340 --> 41:30.640 I'm not from a series seven. 41:31.220 --> 41:33.280 Yeah. I mean, and again, I don't know. 41:33.500 --> 41:36.520 There may be someone I know a person that can do it. 41:36.520 --> 41:38.980 So, you know, I reach out to them. 41:39.380 --> 41:42.560 But I mean, there's a whole, you know, almost everything you do 41:42.560 --> 41:44.960 in the commercial world has been securitized. 41:45.000 --> 41:46.700 That's why they can run the printing presses. 41:47.340 --> 41:48.980 You know, people say they're printing money out of thin air. 41:49.140 --> 41:50.160 No, they're not. 41:50.360 --> 41:53.200 They're securitizing every number they possibly can. 41:53.600 --> 41:55.660 And again, who's giving that commercial energy? 41:56.180 --> 41:56.560 We are. 41:57.120 --> 41:59.660 So, you know, that's the expansion of the money supply, 41:59.940 --> 42:04.620 the expansion of the debt process and the and the printing of the currencies 42:04.620 --> 42:07.460 around the world in a fiat system. 42:07.660 --> 42:08.940 It's a again, it's a debt. 42:09.080 --> 42:12.480 They're a debt instrument and that goes to, you know, your paycheck. 42:12.740 --> 42:14.220 You're being paid with a debt. 42:14.620 --> 42:16.880 How can that be called an increase or income? 42:17.420 --> 42:19.740 OK, you know, because it's a debt instrument. 42:19.860 --> 42:21.940 Now, I'm not saying those those Federal Reserve 42:21.940 --> 42:23.000 notes don't have value. 42:23.160 --> 42:24.360 Obviously, they have value. 42:24.460 --> 42:26.300 They can be exchanged for goods, services, 42:26.420 --> 42:28.440 product homes, everything else. 42:28.560 --> 42:29.420 So they have value. 42:29.680 --> 42:31.560 They just can't pay a public debt. 42:32.100 --> 42:32.760 And that's right. 42:32.760 --> 42:36.560 But when we when we accept a presentment in equity, 42:37.380 --> 42:41.580 that also counts as payment in their accounting, right? 42:42.160 --> 42:44.160 I'm very careful about using that word payment 42:44.160 --> 42:46.080 because of the legal aspects of it. 42:46.200 --> 42:47.720 It causes discharge. 42:48.240 --> 42:50.640 The instrument passes freely on its face. 42:50.800 --> 42:53.980 And that's what Lincoln Levine talks about in in his book, 42:54.120 --> 42:56.800 is these substitutes for money, 42:56.960 --> 42:59.840 which Federal Reserve notes are a substitute for money. 42:59.880 --> 43:01.460 But so is our acceptances. 43:01.460 --> 43:04.900 They pass freely on their face to cause discharge 43:04.900 --> 43:07.460 of a public debt, public. 43:07.460 --> 43:08.880 So just right. 43:09.100 --> 43:11.880 So just to clarify this, so let's say, right, 43:12.200 --> 43:16.760 that a bank you have a loan with and you you settle 43:16.760 --> 43:20.200 and discharge the loan with the equity acceptance. 43:20.840 --> 43:22.780 Now, does that mean that, like, 43:22.840 --> 43:26.000 they won't have enough money to pay their employees 43:26.000 --> 43:29.740 because you didn't send them, you know, checks instead? 43:31.040 --> 43:31.960 Absolutely not. 43:32.680 --> 43:35.560 The banks, again, are taking those checks, they're monetizing. 43:35.700 --> 43:36.960 There's accounting to everything. 43:37.440 --> 43:37.900 So, right. 43:38.100 --> 43:41.460 And so the accounting result is essentially equivalent 43:41.460 --> 43:44.400 to if you sent them a check, right? 43:44.700 --> 43:47.300 And I think the word that is set off, right? 43:48.520 --> 43:49.000 That's correct. 43:49.360 --> 43:51.600 And if they wanted to, again, it's not our job 43:51.600 --> 43:54.500 to teach them their law, but if they wanted to, 43:54.680 --> 43:59.220 they could take that instrument that you issued to them 43:59.220 --> 44:01.640 to the Fed window, to a commercial bank 44:01.640 --> 44:03.960 and receive the digits into their account. 44:04.420 --> 44:09.040 It's a negotiable instrument, just like anything else out there 44:09.040 --> 44:12.180 that they're using, we just, you know, 44:12.320 --> 44:15.080 we're not supposed to be privy to this, but we are. 44:15.420 --> 44:17.860 And a very important point to make here 44:17.860 --> 44:19.780 is that we cannot fray money. 44:20.240 --> 44:22.540 Only banks have the ability to do that. 44:22.960 --> 44:24.860 So when the bank or some, again, 44:25.000 --> 44:28.200 other authority puts a bill or in front of your face, 44:28.200 --> 44:31.980 they've given you the presentment. 44:32.160 --> 44:34.400 They've given you the money to pay what we cannot pay 44:34.400 --> 44:35.520 because there's no lawful money, 44:35.580 --> 44:37.300 but they have to put it in there. 44:37.860 --> 44:39.420 You know, some people are out there trying to, 44:39.540 --> 44:43.140 you mentioned voucher, voucher is a very unique term. 44:43.520 --> 44:45.800 But, you know, if you go one cent over 44:46.300 --> 44:49.620 what they have on that statement, you've created money 44:49.620 --> 44:50.820 and we cannot do that. 44:50.840 --> 44:52.480 Only banks are licensed to do that. 44:52.520 --> 44:54.460 So I just want to make sure everybody's clear on that 44:54.460 --> 44:56.900 is we cannot be creating money. 44:56.900 --> 45:00.380 They give us the money to discharge the debts. 45:00.800 --> 45:03.820 We just have to properly, with keyword properly, 45:04.040 --> 45:08.000 return it with proper notice to cause discharge 45:08.640 --> 45:11.860 and release of that obligation. 45:13.820 --> 45:17.180 And sometimes in order for that to happen, 45:17.860 --> 45:19.240 the court has to intervene, right? 45:22.540 --> 45:25.340 I mean, that would be on their side. 45:25.340 --> 45:26.500 You know, we don't- 45:26.500 --> 45:26.900 Right, right. 45:26.900 --> 45:30.060 Not that we file a court case, 45:30.380 --> 45:35.600 but in other words, if we send these instruments 45:35.600 --> 45:42.740 to a bank directly, they may not take it peacefully. 45:43.080 --> 45:44.280 They may take you to court, 45:44.520 --> 45:49.620 but the court knows this and will act accordingly, ultimately. 45:50.520 --> 45:52.100 We don't have to compel that performance 45:52.100 --> 45:53.500 if it's something does go to court. 45:53.500 --> 45:55.140 Yes, because again, as I mentioned earlier, 45:55.660 --> 45:57.280 the judges, the attorneys, the bankers, 45:57.360 --> 46:00.640 they have the duty to keep us in their box, in their system, 46:00.960 --> 46:03.600 in that Admiralty Maritime Fictional System 46:04.040 --> 46:06.920 where equity operates outside of that. 46:07.100 --> 46:12.140 I mean, Pomeroy, a chancellor judge in the 1800s, 46:12.660 --> 46:16.280 early 1900s, said that equity can even ignore 46:16.700 --> 46:19.240 their rule codes, rules, statutes and so forth. 46:19.620 --> 46:22.220 But, you know, the system isn't gonna like that. 46:22.220 --> 46:25.100 So we have to be the ones that bring equity. 46:25.440 --> 46:26.800 If we're drawn into that situation, 46:27.060 --> 46:30.740 we have to bring equity, stay in equity and leave inequity. 46:31.400 --> 46:33.880 And, you know, obviously we teach you how to do that 46:33.880 --> 46:36.580 if someone has that need or interest in it. 46:36.900 --> 46:39.280 But yes, I mean, often the judges 46:39.280 --> 46:41.520 will need to be compelled to because they have. 46:42.060 --> 46:44.580 It's, I mean, some of them can be jerks. 46:44.780 --> 46:47.860 Some of them can be, you know, really rude and arrogant. 46:48.460 --> 46:51.120 A lot of those are ones that are just not confident 46:51.120 --> 46:52.880 with what they're doing. 46:53.240 --> 46:55.160 But again, to, you know, how many judges 46:55.620 --> 46:58.260 are out there in this world, many, many, many thousands. 46:58.760 --> 46:58.840 Yes. 46:59.080 --> 47:01.480 So, you know, equity just gives us a way 47:01.480 --> 47:04.240 to compel the performance that we wish to happen 47:04.240 --> 47:05.200 in any situation. 47:05.480 --> 47:08.760 And equity makes you equal with that judge. 47:09.180 --> 47:12.100 And in order to do that, in order to recognize that, 47:12.140 --> 47:13.940 you have to have this equity, you know, 47:14.120 --> 47:15.440 in your heart, in your soul. 47:15.660 --> 47:18.260 And obviously, practicing your brain as well 47:18.660 --> 47:21.880 to be able to go and talk to a judge in a courtroom 47:21.880 --> 47:24.740 as if you're sitting across from the dinner table from them. 47:25.040 --> 47:27.360 You know, no matter how serious the situation is. 47:28.220 --> 47:28.700 Right. 47:29.020 --> 47:33.220 And judges are just regular men and women like we are anyway. 47:33.520 --> 47:34.720 And we all know that. 47:36.560 --> 47:39.120 So I really like that, you know, 47:39.200 --> 47:41.680 you mentioned that there is a human factor, right? 47:41.760 --> 47:43.620 From the judge point of view. 47:43.740 --> 47:46.020 But I want to, you know, bring up a quote 47:46.020 --> 47:48.260 that you'd mentioned in another interview 47:48.260 --> 47:51.640 that really struck me, which is, you know, 47:51.740 --> 47:54.620 in equity you don't lose unless you give up. 47:55.200 --> 47:58.360 So my question is based on your experience, you know, 47:58.440 --> 48:00.180 working with students especially, 48:01.240 --> 48:02.680 what's the hardest part? 48:02.860 --> 48:05.260 What might lead someone to give up? 48:05.280 --> 48:06.860 Because I know you've witnessed that. 48:07.420 --> 48:11.700 So, you know, because there is always a little bit 48:11.700 --> 48:15.820 of trepidation when you encounter new knowledge 48:15.820 --> 48:20.900 and, you know, many of the things you might bring equity to, 48:21.300 --> 48:23.660 you know, are kind of scary, right? 48:23.840 --> 48:28.040 That you're worried about them garnishing your wages 48:28.040 --> 48:30.800 or, you know, in extreme examples, 48:30.860 --> 48:32.240 even putting you behind bars. 48:32.580 --> 48:34.000 So what's the hardest part? 48:34.180 --> 48:35.720 What would cause someone to give up? 48:38.460 --> 48:40.800 Not having the fortitude in your heart. 48:40.980 --> 48:42.980 And again, you know, it just depends on the situation. 48:42.980 --> 48:45.440 We've had matters where, you know, 48:45.500 --> 48:47.860 someone was sued on their, you know, 48:48.000 --> 48:49.600 $30,000 credit card, if I recall, 48:49.840 --> 48:50.940 this was years and years ago. 48:51.340 --> 48:54.180 We have success stories much, much more recent than that. 48:54.360 --> 48:56.480 But this was a pretty profound case 48:56.480 --> 48:59.120 where the gentleman brought his equity 48:59.120 --> 49:01.920 on the credit card case, the bank sued them, 49:02.080 --> 49:03.900 credit card company sued them, I think it was AmEx. 49:04.900 --> 49:07.680 And the court hearing got called 49:07.680 --> 49:10.400 and the judge read his notices onto the record 49:12.000 --> 49:13.860 and, you know, asked the defendant, 49:14.460 --> 49:15.780 you know, what would you have me do? 49:16.360 --> 49:17.960 She, the judge would not even let 49:17.960 --> 49:19.620 the bank's attorney speak a word. 49:20.160 --> 49:22.940 She was just over there with their jaw hitting the table 49:22.940 --> 49:24.160 wondering what the heck just happened. 49:24.740 --> 49:26.880 So that, you know, that's true equity. 49:26.980 --> 49:29.040 And that's the way every court case should happen. 49:29.460 --> 49:31.340 Now, the other end to that spectrum, 49:31.780 --> 49:33.680 the other end of spectrum is you get a judge 49:33.680 --> 49:36.660 who's, you know, yelling and screaming 49:36.660 --> 49:40.640 and, you know, threatening to throw a book at you. 49:40.720 --> 49:42.600 Hopefully it's a black's law or Burton's or something, 49:42.740 --> 49:43.860 but threatening you with contempt. 49:44.120 --> 49:45.400 That's the one tool that they have 49:45.400 --> 49:48.480 where they, you know, they can kind of use that 49:49.000 --> 49:51.540 without any really good reason. 49:52.020 --> 49:54.540 And, you know, we teach this with a verbiage for that. 49:54.780 --> 49:56.380 So someone just gets scared. 49:57.020 --> 49:58.920 If they haven't practiced, 49:59.060 --> 50:00.240 they haven't gotten that equity 50:00.240 --> 50:02.100 integrated into their heart and soul 50:02.100 --> 50:04.940 to where if the judge says something, 50:05.370 --> 50:07.700 you know, the biggest mistake people make 50:08.090 --> 50:13.540 in any matter is acquiescence, is standing silent. 50:13.760 --> 50:16.060 And the biggest mistake you can do in a courtroom 50:16.510 --> 50:18.380 when the judge is saying something, they can be, 50:18.820 --> 50:20.220 you know, what was the book 50:20.220 --> 50:23.340 that the Trump's attorney wrote, license to lie. 50:23.900 --> 50:28.200 They absolutely 100% have a full license 50:28.200 --> 50:31.060 to lie through their teeth and often do. 50:31.540 --> 50:33.560 And if we stand in acquiescence 50:33.560 --> 50:34.960 and silence to that, 50:35.200 --> 50:36.820 to those things that come out of their mouth, 50:37.740 --> 50:39.400 it's all over the law dictionaries 50:39.400 --> 50:43.160 and the legal thesauruses, our acquiescence is our consent, 50:43.760 --> 50:46.760 tacit consent to whatever they just said. 50:46.820 --> 50:48.980 It was like as if we just signed a contract saying 50:48.980 --> 50:51.300 that big lie is absolutely true. 50:51.780 --> 50:52.860 But that's the biggest mistake. 50:53.020 --> 50:56.220 And if people can't have a little bit of wit 50:57.000 --> 51:00.120 and, you know, practice and have it in their heart 51:00.120 --> 51:02.440 and the confidence, I mean, you can be shaking 51:02.440 --> 51:04.000 in your knees behind that podium, 51:04.460 --> 51:07.620 but what's coming out of your mouth needs to be confident, 51:08.080 --> 51:11.260 not arrogant, it's a fine line, needs to be confident. 51:11.500 --> 51:13.220 So that judge knows you just didn't download 51:13.220 --> 51:14.680 some documents off the internet 51:15.540 --> 51:18.020 and, you know, you're there, you know, 51:18.040 --> 51:19.220 playing practice with them. 51:19.920 --> 51:22.200 And they have a duty to do that as well 51:22.200 --> 51:25.680 because there's so much of that patriot warfare out there, 51:25.740 --> 51:27.000 people throwing stuff at them. 51:27.200 --> 51:29.720 And, you know, a lot of that stuff is valid 51:30.080 --> 51:31.320 but it's not going to work 51:31.320 --> 51:34.900 because people don't realize the contracts we've entered into 51:34.900 --> 51:39.060 have superseded, you know, a lot of those rights. 51:39.660 --> 51:41.920 Equity, again, higher vibration, 51:42.120 --> 51:43.480 higher frequency spiritually 51:44.120 --> 51:46.620 and just supersedes everything they're doing. 51:47.240 --> 51:48.960 You had mentioned common law. 51:49.140 --> 51:51.260 Yeah, this common law can play a part in there 51:51.260 --> 51:53.780 but, you know, it's all over there, 51:53.820 --> 51:57.220 books that custom, they're just their customs 51:57.220 --> 51:59.620 is a law that supersedes the common law. 52:00.360 --> 52:02.560 So, you know, that kind of just throws that remedy 52:02.950 --> 52:05.480 out the window as far as I'm concerned, 52:06.080 --> 52:09.380 but, you know, it doesn't supersede equity. 52:10.760 --> 52:12.980 Well, I can tell you, you know, 52:13.040 --> 52:14.660 from my own personal experience, 52:15.740 --> 52:18.000 bringing equity to a court hearing 52:18.780 --> 52:22.260 that yes, it definitely, you can be challenged. 52:22.820 --> 52:26.900 What happened in my experience was that 52:27.740 --> 52:32.480 of course the judge was saying things that were not true 52:32.480 --> 52:39.760 and he let me kind of speak and inquire early on 52:39.760 --> 52:43.240 and then when he started talking to the other side 52:43.240 --> 52:46.700 is when, you know, I had to interrupt 52:47.520 --> 52:49.860 in order to not acquiesce 52:49.860 --> 52:52.840 and they just kept talking 52:52.840 --> 52:56.860 and the bailiff started paying special attention 52:56.860 --> 52:59.480 to me and eventually like walked right in front of me, 52:59.580 --> 53:04.100 posturing, but the judge never threatened contempt. 53:04.400 --> 53:09.120 I think the judge was just using him as a fence between me 53:09.120 --> 53:14.320 but in the end I was able to get some very good questions 53:14.320 --> 53:16.500 on the record because I got the transcript 53:16.500 --> 53:21.220 and there were definitely very noticeable results 53:21.220 --> 53:22.200 after that hearing. 53:23.380 --> 53:26.660 So it does take fortitude 53:27.240 --> 53:29.620 and you have to have it in your heart, absolutely. 53:29.800 --> 53:31.140 You can't start doubting 53:31.680 --> 53:34.040 and because that can lead to you 53:34.700 --> 53:36.520 going astray under pressure 53:37.400 --> 53:40.260 and realize that even if you feel 53:40.260 --> 53:42.600 like things are working against you, 53:43.520 --> 53:47.480 it's more of like a, think about it as more of like a test 53:48.260 --> 53:54.500 of your will rather than a real threat to your success. 53:56.500 --> 53:58.920 I mean, we've had, you know, again, 53:59.720 --> 54:02.040 they do this on a daily basis. 54:02.200 --> 54:03.380 So they're going to be very practiced 54:03.380 --> 54:06.960 and we've had somebody, a judge asked, you know, 54:07.080 --> 54:09.220 a defendant, equity student, you know, 54:09.320 --> 54:10.440 have you studied the law 54:11.560 --> 54:13.400 and he really didn't know what to say. 54:13.440 --> 54:14.860 You've got to know what to say 54:14.860 --> 54:17.180 when somebody says something like that. 54:17.600 --> 54:19.300 So my reply would have been, 54:19.380 --> 54:21.740 judge, what law are you speaking of? 54:21.820 --> 54:23.500 Are you talking about your fictional 54:23.500 --> 54:25.720 Admiralty Maritime Commercial Jurisdiction, 54:26.020 --> 54:29.140 common law or equity law jurisprudence 54:29.140 --> 54:31.160 where you're to have equity before your eyes 54:31.160 --> 54:33.600 above all else, judge, which is it? 54:35.060 --> 54:37.280 So, you know, the questions we ask 54:37.280 --> 54:39.120 and when you integrate this into your heart 54:39.120 --> 54:40.420 and you're sold, those things 54:40.420 --> 54:43.740 will just spew out of your mouth at the right time 54:43.740 --> 54:47.060 and in accordance with whatever the judge is saying. 54:47.540 --> 54:50.400 You know, we talked about scripts in the course, 54:50.840 --> 54:53.360 but something I realized we did a court practice 54:53.360 --> 54:55.660 a couple of weeks ago with some people 54:55.660 --> 54:57.940 who were having court this month 54:59.300 --> 55:02.340 and it's not just about a matter of going down the scripts 55:02.340 --> 55:04.260 and getting as much onto the record as you can. 55:04.800 --> 55:07.220 What's coming out of your mouth has to pertain 55:07.220 --> 55:08.920 with what's going on in the hearing, 55:09.060 --> 55:10.340 what's coming out of the judge's mouth, 55:10.360 --> 55:11.840 what's coming out of the other side's mouth, 55:11.840 --> 55:16.280 not just getting things onto the record. 55:17.080 --> 55:20.020 So, and I realized that was something 55:20.020 --> 55:23.400 that I needed to encourage more in the course. 55:23.680 --> 55:25.460 So, obviously that's what we're doing 55:25.460 --> 55:28.500 for people who are having court cases. 55:28.780 --> 55:29.880 And it's not that often. 55:30.080 --> 55:32.500 I mean, you're not always gonna wind up 55:32.500 --> 55:34.140 being in court in these situations. 55:34.340 --> 55:36.720 In fact, most don't because the equity 55:36.720 --> 55:38.840 compels that performance before then. 55:39.380 --> 55:41.160 I mean, one of the huge things that I teach 55:41.160 --> 55:42.860 is we have a duty to inquire. 55:43.020 --> 55:45.120 Equity tells us we have a duty to inquire 55:45.120 --> 55:46.760 and there's two reasons for inquiry. 55:47.560 --> 55:50.060 Obviously one to find out things that are unknown, 55:50.600 --> 55:51.440 things we don't know, 55:51.700 --> 55:53.780 but the other is to compel performance. 55:54.260 --> 55:56.500 That's why I asked judge, why would I want an attorney? 55:56.680 --> 55:58.040 Don't an attorney's a torn for the dead? 55:58.600 --> 56:00.620 No, I was compelling the performance for him 56:00.620 --> 56:03.740 not to compel me constantly to get an attorney 56:03.740 --> 56:05.300 even though he continued to do it. 56:05.340 --> 56:08.640 So I asked, I would say the same thing each time. 56:09.620 --> 56:11.340 But yes, we have- 56:11.340 --> 56:16.320 Would you say that that was an offer from the judge? 56:17.100 --> 56:18.900 Absolutely, so something else you can say, 56:18.980 --> 56:20.840 judge, are you making me a new offer? 56:21.080 --> 56:23.700 Because when we bring the equity to a matter 56:23.700 --> 56:26.740 in the eyes of equity, as soon as you get into honor, 56:26.860 --> 56:28.880 as soon as you bring equity to the matter, 56:29.300 --> 56:30.340 that matter, in the eyes of equity, 56:30.420 --> 56:32.220 that matter is discharged, it's done. 56:32.960 --> 56:35.200 You just have to get them to do that 56:35.200 --> 56:36.640 on the public side of the ledger 56:36.640 --> 56:38.520 and we do that by asking questions. 56:38.700 --> 56:39.900 We don't make claims in equity. 56:40.380 --> 56:42.500 When you're making a statement, you're testifying, 56:43.080 --> 56:44.000 you're making a claim. 56:44.480 --> 56:44.900 Guess what? 56:45.020 --> 56:47.800 The burden of proof is on whoever's making that claim. 56:47.940 --> 56:48.840 That's in the law dictionary. 56:49.460 --> 56:51.740 When you're asking a question as king, 56:52.600 --> 56:54.140 you're putting the burden of proof 56:54.140 --> 56:56.460 on whoever you're asking the question of. 56:57.020 --> 57:00.060 And that's why one of the judges' freaking responses 57:00.060 --> 57:02.880 is I'm the one who asked the questions here. 57:02.920 --> 57:04.380 I have no duty to answer the question. 57:04.920 --> 57:06.520 And you better have a reply to that. 57:06.980 --> 57:09.760 Judges are the customer of this court to deny due process 57:09.760 --> 57:12.880 by not allowing the defendant to speak and ask questions. 57:14.520 --> 57:16.240 How is that judge, how is that not a violation 57:16.240 --> 57:17.740 of my rights under color? 57:22.000 --> 57:25.060 Yeah, it's really powerful. 57:25.980 --> 57:29.600 And of course, even though the judge may not 57:30.280 --> 57:32.280 acknowledge the power of what you're saying, 57:33.820 --> 57:36.200 they change how they respond to you. 57:36.360 --> 57:37.140 That's for sure. 57:38.300 --> 57:44.380 Because they face liability if they don't. 57:44.720 --> 57:46.940 And if they're not, then it's our duty 57:46.940 --> 57:48.200 to ask better questions. 57:49.400 --> 57:52.340 So this is why I tell people if your equity doesn't seem 57:52.340 --> 57:54.540 to be working, equity does what it says it will do. 57:54.960 --> 57:57.380 But that human factor you talk about happens 57:57.380 --> 57:58.780 to be on our side as well, 57:59.040 --> 58:00.700 to where if we're standing silent, 58:00.700 --> 58:03.580 if we're not asking strong enough questions, 58:04.200 --> 58:06.480 then we need to ask better questions. 58:06.980 --> 58:08.780 And that's what I tell people. 58:09.560 --> 58:11.120 If your equities doesn't seem to be working, 58:11.540 --> 58:13.740 come up with stronger, equitable questions. 58:14.180 --> 58:16.380 Because there's no way for their, again, 58:16.780 --> 58:20.660 fictional, absentee, maritime, commercial law 58:20.660 --> 58:22.340 to supersede equity. 58:22.500 --> 58:23.600 Equity is in the real world. 58:24.140 --> 58:27.460 Their law is in the matrix and doesn't apply, 58:27.960 --> 58:29.900 for the most part doesn't apply to us 58:29.900 --> 58:31.200 unless it's under contract 58:31.200 --> 58:33.340 or we agree or volunteer for it to be. 58:33.880 --> 58:37.480 And again, the common law part of that is don't cause injury. 58:38.120 --> 58:39.020 When you cause injury, 58:39.420 --> 58:42.200 you take an honorable person, takes an equitable person. 58:42.740 --> 58:44.900 So if equity is not gonna help somebody, 58:45.040 --> 58:46.640 you stab somebody or shot somebody 58:46.640 --> 58:50.340 or intentionally cause injury to somebody, 58:52.080 --> 58:54.100 it's for an equitable person. 58:55.200 --> 58:55.760 Absolutely. 58:56.550 --> 59:00.100 So Andrew, this has been an excellent discussion. 59:00.260 --> 59:02.580 I think it really not only introduces 59:02.580 --> 59:04.920 the actual subject matter, 59:05.040 --> 59:08.140 but also really the philosophy 59:08.900 --> 59:11.100 that goes along with this remedy. 59:11.860 --> 59:14.360 So could you just, you know, to wrap up, 59:14.580 --> 59:16.500 tell us a little bit about the course 59:17.140 --> 59:19.400 you offer, like how you organize it. 59:19.520 --> 59:22.240 What kind of a real commitment does it take 59:22.240 --> 59:25.020 from a student to, you know, 59:25.500 --> 59:28.940 learn equity enough that they can use it freely 59:28.940 --> 59:31.520 as a remedy for appropriate situations? 59:32.200 --> 59:34.060 All right, and there's a lot more information 59:34.060 --> 59:36.180 at our website, freedomwithequity.com 59:36.180 --> 59:37.380 that you said you were gonna put in the notes, 59:37.520 --> 59:39.440 but basically we teach a 12, 59:39.660 --> 59:41.300 might go up to 13 week course 59:42.320 --> 59:44.500 on understanding a lot of the things, 59:44.700 --> 59:47.260 taking deeper dives into everything 59:47.260 --> 59:48.640 that you and I just spoke about 59:48.640 --> 59:50.480 from the vocab words to the laws 59:50.480 --> 59:52.680 to actually, you know, notices, 59:53.100 --> 59:55.640 scripts from the knock at the door script, 59:55.960 --> 59:57.960 telephone script of a debt collector's colony 59:57.960 --> 59:59.600 to its traffic stop script, 59:59.940 --> 01:00:01.560 to obviously court scripts too, 01:00:01.600 --> 01:00:05.060 if someone has the opportunity to be in a courtroom. 01:00:06.040 --> 01:00:07.980 The notices, you know, 01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.260 the system operates on the law of notice. 01:00:11.680 --> 01:00:13.940 Well, we have that right as well. 01:00:14.380 --> 01:00:14.960 What is notice? 01:00:15.140 --> 01:00:17.740 Notice is intelligence by whatever means communicated, 01:00:18.180 --> 01:00:21.440 and we operate on that law of notice with equity. 01:00:21.600 --> 01:00:22.420 We don't file motions. 01:00:23.020 --> 01:00:26.580 So it's a 12, 13 week course that encompasses all that. 01:00:27.240 --> 01:00:30.200 We hold classes, sessions every Thursday, 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:32.780 evenings, 6 p.m. mountain time, 01:00:33.380 --> 01:00:36.120 obviously 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific. 01:00:37.080 --> 01:00:38.720 And for two, two and a half hours 01:00:38.720 --> 01:00:41.040 where we're going, a lot of that is Q and A. 01:00:41.520 --> 01:00:44.220 So my vision here is to help you 01:00:44.220 --> 01:00:45.980 understand not only understand this, 01:00:45.980 --> 01:00:49.300 but to be able to integrate this into your heart 01:00:49.300 --> 01:00:50.520 because I don't use templates. 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:53.560 I teach you how to write your notices 01:00:53.560 --> 01:00:56.020 so that you can understand why. 01:00:56.260 --> 01:00:58.820 And that was a big issue in that Patriot Warfare mode 01:00:58.820 --> 01:00:59.980 that I talked about is that 01:00:59.980 --> 01:01:02.220 we were just using somebody else's affidavit, 01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:03.280 somebody else's documents. 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:04.700 And if you don't understand them, 01:01:05.560 --> 01:01:07.420 the likelihood that's gonna work 01:01:07.420 --> 01:01:08.760 is greatly, greatly decreased. 01:01:09.260 --> 01:01:11.540 So I teach you to understand it, 01:01:11.600 --> 01:01:12.780 know how you're doing it, 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:14.380 and to be able to handle any situation 01:01:14.380 --> 01:01:16.860 that comes your way for the rest of your life. 01:01:16.980 --> 01:01:19.500 To be in honor in all aspects of your life 01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:22.720 without ever being walked on by anyone or any entity. 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.420 And the power of getting that 1,000-pound gorilla 01:01:25.420 --> 01:01:27.280 off your shoulders with just life, 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:28.820 or if you do have situations 01:01:29.520 --> 01:01:31.440 that are being presented to you, 01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:33.720 to be able to know how to handle. 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.000 And this resonates with people 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.040 because like you mentioned, it's not about fighting. 01:01:39.180 --> 01:01:42.080 It's not about knowing their 70 million laws 01:01:42.080 --> 01:01:44.120 or whatever are currently on the books right now. 01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.620 To, yes, learn a few concepts. 01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.200 The maximums of equity are very, very powerful 01:01:50.640 --> 01:01:53.760 to be able to bring remedy to any commercial situation. 01:01:55.500 --> 01:01:59.680 Well, that's a fantastic guidance for people. 01:02:00.300 --> 01:02:03.880 And let me say that this is not something 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.580 that you can just kind of do on your own 01:02:06.580 --> 01:02:08.820 after hearing a few interviews like this one, 01:02:09.460 --> 01:02:12.020 even from well-respected teachers 01:02:12.020 --> 01:02:14.680 because there's a lot of details 01:02:14.680 --> 01:02:17.300 because the pioneers in this field 01:02:18.040 --> 01:02:22.340 have kind of done the field testing, so to speak. 01:02:22.780 --> 01:02:26.620 And we know what is effective and what's not 01:02:26.620 --> 01:02:28.940 in terms of how to just structure 01:02:28.940 --> 01:02:34.580 and format the documents, how to inquire properly. 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.200 And so make sure that you learn this 01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:39.920 from a trusted source like Andrew. 01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:43.300 And thank you so much for your time today 01:02:43.300 --> 01:02:45.100 and for enlightening us 01:02:45.100 --> 01:02:48.900 and for taking the risks to acquire this knowledge and wisdom. 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:51.740 Yes, to follow up that, 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.820 you're not going to learn this at YouTube University. 01:02:55.820 --> 01:02:57.020 But yes, thank you. 01:02:57.320 --> 01:02:58.540 Dr. Kaufman, it was a bit of pleasure 01:02:58.540 --> 01:02:59.820 and an honor to be here with you. 01:03:00.220 --> 01:03:02.620 And yes, if anybody wishes to reach out, 01:03:02.620 --> 01:03:04.080 this is what we do. 01:03:04.560 --> 01:03:07.000 You can schedule a free 15-minute phone call 01:03:07.000 --> 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