WEBVTT 01:04.780 --> 01:07.560 Hello and welcome to the King Heroes Journey podcast. 01:07.880 --> 01:10.100 My name is Beth Martens and my mic was muted. 01:11.020 --> 01:11.340 So thanks. 01:11.640 --> 01:15.040 In case you don't read lips and sound is fantastic. 01:15.900 --> 01:19.280 We were just having a little bit of go around in the back. 01:19.460 --> 01:21.480 I think I sent Joel to the wrong platform 01:21.480 --> 01:23.500 for some reason, he's given me the thumbs up. 01:23.820 --> 01:27.200 So he looks like he's ready to go in a few minutes 01:27.200 --> 01:28.000 or one minute. 01:28.240 --> 01:30.540 And so I will just take a minute myself 01:30.540 --> 01:32.020 and introduce if you're new 01:32.500 --> 01:33.760 to the King Heroes Journey podcast. 01:33.760 --> 01:36.160 This is a place where I host the brave souls. 01:37.300 --> 01:37.880 Those ones. 01:38.120 --> 01:39.400 Now we think we're all brave souls 01:39.400 --> 01:41.020 until you come up against something 01:41.020 --> 01:47.060 that's really frightening or humbling or too intense. 01:47.380 --> 01:48.940 They're gonna talk about intensity a lot. 01:49.060 --> 01:50.940 I do have about a hundred questions for Joel. 01:51.480 --> 01:54.140 If you're not familiar, no, don't be scared or anything. 01:54.940 --> 01:57.440 Joel, if you have a time limit, by the way, let me know. 01:58.520 --> 02:01.540 And I have had the great privilege of watching Joel 02:01.540 --> 02:03.440 be interviewed by many people. 02:03.660 --> 02:06.520 At first I was kicking myself not to have him on sooner, 02:06.780 --> 02:10.060 but in fact, it's been fantastic to get to know him 02:10.060 --> 02:11.660 through a number of people's eyes. 02:12.280 --> 02:14.500 And so this is gonna be a really great subject. 02:14.660 --> 02:15.840 If you're not familiar with him, 02:16.340 --> 02:19.040 you can learn more about him. 02:19.300 --> 02:22.140 And I'm gonna share out his YouTube channel 02:22.140 --> 02:25.560 where he also hosts people for interviews. 02:25.880 --> 02:28.120 I am going to be on his channel on, 02:28.940 --> 02:30.600 we're recording for Monday. 02:31.040 --> 02:34.900 So you can find him there and on Facebook, 02:37.960 --> 02:41.920 here and on Instagram, here. 02:43.740 --> 02:45.160 And if people are in the chat 02:45.160 --> 02:46.940 and you wanna come and say hello, I would love that. 02:47.080 --> 02:51.680 Oh, hello to Rajat Bombatkar. 02:52.040 --> 02:53.700 How did I mangle your name there? 02:54.440 --> 02:56.100 Hello, Mike New, nice to see you. 02:56.820 --> 02:58.480 Fantastic, I'm glad you're here. 02:58.760 --> 03:00.380 He said, keep up the good work, thank you. 03:00.380 --> 03:01.680 I appreciate that very much. 03:02.600 --> 03:07.340 Well, I am beside myself excited to talk to Joel today. 03:07.640 --> 03:09.740 Oh, Stacy Sunshine is here, fantastic. 03:10.580 --> 03:12.240 Please share this out, honestly. 03:12.540 --> 03:14.300 It's, I try not to get discouraged 03:14.300 --> 03:18.020 by the amount of shadow banning or whatever it is. 03:18.180 --> 03:21.780 I'm not in the cool club or something going on here, 03:21.800 --> 03:26.020 but if you find value in this work that I put out, 03:26.800 --> 03:28.460 I also, by the way, do a bath of fresh air. 03:28.560 --> 03:29.980 It's coming up tomorrow already 03:29.980 --> 03:32.480 and we're gonna talk about natural health cults, 03:33.020 --> 03:34.080 which are very prevalent 03:34.080 --> 03:36.960 and I feel incredibly passionate about sharing about, 03:37.180 --> 03:38.800 hello, M, nice to see you as well. 03:38.840 --> 03:39.800 I'm sorry, I didn't get back. 03:40.320 --> 03:42.240 It's been going high speed, creating stuff. 03:43.000 --> 03:44.640 So if you're not familiar with Joel, 03:44.800 --> 03:46.860 he is a personal empowerment mentor 03:46.860 --> 03:49.100 and shamanic dreaming arts teacher. 03:49.420 --> 03:52.080 I'm gonna talk a little bit about my run-in 03:52.080 --> 03:53.960 with shamanism, which was very short 03:53.960 --> 03:56.660 and I'm happy to have been reintroduced 03:56.660 --> 03:59.000 to something that re-sparked me. 03:59.960 --> 04:03.280 Through online courses, one-on-one mentoring 04:03.280 --> 04:05.740 and in-person workshops, Joel trains people 04:05.740 --> 04:09.400 in a highly effective way to reclaim vital energy 04:09.400 --> 04:12.080 and attention utilizing the toll tech knowledge base. 04:12.920 --> 04:16.180 These are powerful non-linear redistribution techniques 04:16.640 --> 04:18.240 that guide and support students 04:18.240 --> 04:21.040 in discovering clear purpose, increasing awareness, 04:21.960 --> 04:23.820 getting grounded, reclaiming focus 04:23.820 --> 04:25.480 and accessing strong intent. 04:26.520 --> 04:28.260 Joel is also an excellent listener 04:28.260 --> 04:31.600 and mirror offering practical but magical solutions 04:31.600 --> 04:32.680 to life's challenges. 04:33.380 --> 04:35.860 So without further ado, I'm gonna bring him on. 04:39.220 --> 04:41.640 Hello, Joel, welcome and nice to meet you. 04:42.180 --> 04:43.260 Thank you, yay. 04:43.580 --> 04:45.240 Thanks for having me on, I really appreciate it 04:45.240 --> 04:47.600 and looking forward to getting into it with you. 04:48.120 --> 04:49.240 Yeah, likewise, likewise. 04:49.960 --> 04:52.280 It's, I bet you've had this experience many times 04:52.280 --> 04:53.360 over the last little while 04:53.360 --> 04:56.660 where people think or feel like they know you 04:56.660 --> 04:57.840 and you don't know them. 04:58.600 --> 05:01.260 I know it very well from my side as well 05:01.260 --> 05:04.480 and I've learned to just roll with it. 05:04.840 --> 05:06.260 Oh yeah, they think they know everything. 05:06.340 --> 05:07.560 They kind of do in my case 05:07.560 --> 05:11.660 because I'm pretty transparent when I share 05:11.660 --> 05:13.100 and I notice you have been as well. 05:13.760 --> 05:13.800 Yeah. 05:14.120 --> 05:18.020 So I forgot to ask you, do you have a time limit today? 05:18.540 --> 05:19.600 No, we're all good. 05:19.880 --> 05:20.900 Okay, that sounds good. 05:21.000 --> 05:24.120 So we usually go at least 90 minutes, maybe two hours 05:24.120 --> 05:28.740 and then like I said, I do have quite a list of questions. 05:29.200 --> 05:31.980 It's stupid big, but I bet a lot is gonna come out. 05:32.040 --> 05:34.420 I won't have to ask every single one of them. 05:35.660 --> 05:38.180 It's a privilege to be able to talk to you myself 05:38.180 --> 05:40.620 because those resources are there 05:41.160 --> 05:44.280 and I love listening in and taking it in. 05:45.080 --> 05:47.680 When I heard you, I had a natural bias. 05:47.780 --> 05:49.480 I'll just start by introducing it this way. 05:49.480 --> 05:53.740 I had a natural bias against shamanism for two reasons. 05:54.600 --> 06:00.900 One is that I did actually in university study 06:01.490 --> 06:05.320 the work of Don Juan and Carlos Castaneda. 06:05.700 --> 06:09.120 I learned that Carlos Castaneda had been given a PhD 06:09.830 --> 06:11.820 and then they tried to take it away from him 06:11.820 --> 06:12.880 but they couldn't find him. 06:14.220 --> 06:16.380 So maybe I'll get you to speak about that a little bit. 06:16.520 --> 06:18.140 That is of no bearing to me whatsoever 06:18.140 --> 06:20.300 because academia doesn't hold a lot of credibility 06:20.300 --> 06:26.200 in my mind and then I traveled to or in my university days 06:26.200 --> 06:29.700 I also did a directed study in shamanic initiation 06:30.780 --> 06:33.640 and that was very, very interesting for me 06:33.640 --> 06:36.840 but I realized very soon that I didn't want to just study 06:36.840 --> 06:37.860 about these things. 06:38.120 --> 06:41.360 I wanted to have the practical experience myself. 06:42.060 --> 06:43.240 So I started traveling. 06:43.420 --> 06:44.280 I was in Nepal. 06:44.600 --> 06:48.320 I hooked up with a junkery or a hunkery 06:48.320 --> 06:50.840 or I think it's more like junkery actually from that language. 06:52.000 --> 06:54.260 And I had one lesson from him. 06:54.400 --> 06:55.420 I started to have nightmares. 06:55.620 --> 06:56.780 I got scared and ran away. 06:58.080 --> 07:01.480 And I ended up going off into more of like the say 07:01.480 --> 07:06.800 Vedic side of spirituality for my first run in India 07:06.800 --> 07:08.300 which seemed more manageable 07:08.300 --> 07:11.240 but lo and behold, all of the roads to truth 07:11.240 --> 07:12.780 lead to the same places. 07:15.100 --> 07:18.200 So I had this bias until I heard you speak. 07:19.100 --> 07:22.240 And I saw how you are coming to, 07:22.860 --> 07:25.060 now this is putting myself on a pedestal 07:25.060 --> 07:27.720 but coming to the same truths I've come to 07:28.260 --> 07:33.380 from different angles and truth is truth, right? 07:33.620 --> 07:35.280 So no matter how you come to it, 07:35.320 --> 07:39.620 it should be still true, it should still be the same. 07:39.800 --> 07:42.640 So thank you for opening this door for me. 07:42.640 --> 07:44.380 Wow, thank you Beth. 07:44.600 --> 07:45.060 That's amazing. 07:45.680 --> 07:47.920 Yeah, the Toltec teachings are different 07:47.920 --> 07:49.260 than typical shamanism. 07:49.660 --> 07:51.980 And they're called the learned ones 07:52.420 --> 07:54.060 or the scientists of energy. 07:54.540 --> 07:58.040 And they discover that there are truths, energetic facts 07:58.840 --> 08:01.040 and that we actually live in a world 08:01.040 --> 08:03.000 where people don't want that to be the case. 08:03.120 --> 08:05.680 They want it to be all something you can argue about. 08:06.300 --> 08:09.520 And therefore we can all remain confused and separate 08:09.520 --> 08:12.900 and not able to just come to a common denominator. 08:13.360 --> 08:15.560 And so this is very confronting work to realize 08:16.120 --> 08:18.660 that there are actual things that are true, 08:19.020 --> 08:20.740 that we can anchor to those truths 08:21.360 --> 08:24.180 and that we can transform because of them. 08:24.580 --> 08:26.600 But they're magical, they're not linear. 08:27.140 --> 08:29.880 They're powerful energetic understandings 08:29.880 --> 08:32.360 that happen in the realm of silent knowledge 08:32.360 --> 08:36.100 when you're really quiet and silence is present 08:36.100 --> 08:38.620 and you're able to understand things differently 08:38.620 --> 08:39.940 and definitely a benefit you're in your mind 08:40.460 --> 08:43.660 trying to document or control the information. 08:44.440 --> 08:46.580 So that's where the benefit of shamanic training 08:46.580 --> 08:49.660 can be very helpful is you can reach 08:49.660 --> 08:51.900 these non-ordinary states of perception 08:52.400 --> 08:54.700 where waves of understanding come in 08:55.460 --> 08:57.180 and it pulls you out of hypnosis. 08:58.160 --> 09:00.420 But unfortunately the spiritual community is filled 09:00.420 --> 09:04.600 with people that are caught in social power 09:04.600 --> 09:08.400 trying to appear a particular way to their followers 09:08.400 --> 09:10.420 and are unwilling to come out of hypnosis 09:10.420 --> 09:11.960 to the degree that's needed. 09:12.760 --> 09:15.180 So shamanisms become like a messy thing 09:15.620 --> 09:18.560 where people aren't willing to turn and face 09:18.560 --> 09:20.600 and come to terms with what's really going on 09:20.600 --> 09:23.760 and it's more spiritual than it is like practical. 09:24.300 --> 09:27.040 And but the Toltecs rather than being spiritual 09:27.960 --> 09:30.100 are energetic and practical. 09:30.440 --> 09:35.320 And so they are really offering something potent 09:35.320 --> 09:39.100 but even my people, my teachers that followed that stuff 09:39.100 --> 09:41.820 ended up going along with all the nonsense. 09:42.500 --> 09:47.020 So it's really disturbing that, yeah, 09:47.160 --> 09:50.020 how powerful of the hypnosis is across the board. 09:51.140 --> 09:52.200 Indeed, yeah. 09:52.240 --> 09:54.700 And that was one of the things I also share in common 09:54.700 --> 09:57.780 is some history with a cult or two. 09:59.460 --> 10:02.040 And gurus and all of that kind of thing. 10:02.080 --> 10:03.780 So I'm glad you alluded to that. 10:04.420 --> 10:06.720 Just say hello to a few more people in the chat. 10:06.940 --> 10:07.480 Thank you. 10:08.380 --> 10:13.940 Kai Ramon, 11 of our time with people's names on screen. 10:14.720 --> 10:16.220 Joe Potter, you have to forgive me 10:16.220 --> 10:18.080 if it looks like I don't recognize you too 10:18.080 --> 10:20.220 because I usually have a real name in my head 10:20.220 --> 10:21.700 and I don't hold onto screen names. 10:22.420 --> 10:24.680 And looking forward to this, Stephanie, welcome. 10:26.040 --> 10:27.880 He shape shifted right out of here. 10:28.180 --> 10:29.520 Not sure what that was about. 10:29.740 --> 10:31.000 Oh, the trolls be out. 10:31.240 --> 10:34.260 Okay, does anybody have a wrench around here 10:34.920 --> 10:36.180 to help me with that? 10:36.320 --> 10:38.220 Cause I'm gonna wanna focus big time. 10:38.500 --> 10:40.020 Hello, Maya, nice to see you. 10:41.900 --> 10:43.680 So, oh yeah, there's a troll. 10:43.900 --> 10:45.300 Okay, so we'll see if it gets out of control. 10:45.440 --> 10:47.360 Normally I don't even attract the trolls. 10:47.500 --> 10:49.120 I feel pretty happy about that. 10:50.120 --> 10:57.140 Yeah, yeah, I think that I am so much myself. 10:57.700 --> 10:59.760 I don't try to say things that, 11:00.060 --> 11:01.700 oh, I won't say this because so-and-so 11:01.700 --> 11:03.820 is not gonna like me or anything like that. 11:04.060 --> 11:05.560 And then they choose themself 11:05.560 --> 11:06.740 to just get out of the zone 11:06.740 --> 11:08.160 because it's too much for them. 11:08.280 --> 11:09.760 Hello, Jenny G, nice to see you. 11:10.040 --> 11:11.260 And you hand you a wrench. 11:11.780 --> 11:14.920 Okay, so forgive me one second. 11:15.140 --> 11:16.560 I'm gonna give Stacy sunshine. 11:16.560 --> 11:17.460 Yeah. 11:17.880 --> 11:19.840 And hopefully we don't get some sand. 11:21.640 --> 11:22.780 There it is, okay. 11:23.800 --> 11:25.800 All right, Stacy, where are ya? 11:30.220 --> 11:32.720 It's not showing up, but maybe Jenny, 11:32.980 --> 11:35.020 would you, if I make you a moderator? 11:38.320 --> 11:38.800 Add. 11:41.980 --> 11:43.080 Okay, there we go. 11:43.260 --> 11:45.160 So I don't know, Jenny G, 11:45.160 --> 11:47.640 if you're able to help me with that troll. 11:48.040 --> 11:49.720 I don't like to call people that, 11:49.880 --> 11:51.500 but that's what they're called. 11:52.420 --> 11:53.820 Stacy, I couldn't see you on YouTube, 11:53.900 --> 11:54.900 which is very weird. 11:55.180 --> 11:57.560 I don't get that, but we'll just go on. 11:59.060 --> 12:01.300 And yeah, so I love that, 12:01.420 --> 12:02.640 the energetic and the practical. 12:03.040 --> 12:05.500 If you try to leave the practical out of the situation, 12:05.620 --> 12:06.460 then you got nothing. 12:07.040 --> 12:07.320 Right. 12:08.180 --> 12:10.800 Right, nothing good can come of that. 12:11.440 --> 12:13.580 The hypnosis, do you wanna start there 12:13.580 --> 12:16.980 and talk about that element? 12:18.940 --> 12:20.880 Yeah, I mean, that's the most disturbing thing 12:20.880 --> 12:24.400 is to realize that we are not alone 12:24.400 --> 12:25.860 and that something has figured out 12:25.860 --> 12:27.320 how to lend us its mind. 12:27.440 --> 12:29.100 It's higher on the food chain. 12:29.960 --> 12:35.460 It makes us behave in ways that go against our wellbeing. 12:36.980 --> 12:38.720 And so we're dealing with interference. 12:39.040 --> 12:41.860 It's very thorough and very focused. 12:42.300 --> 12:45.840 So when we're, even when we're asleep, 12:46.000 --> 12:48.120 we have really have no idea what's going on 12:48.620 --> 12:50.480 while we're unconscious in that way 12:50.480 --> 12:55.300 because we're being challenged in our dreams 12:55.300 --> 12:56.780 as well as during our day. 12:57.400 --> 13:00.120 And so we wanna come to terms with what's going on 13:00.780 --> 13:03.560 and get to know the difference between our natural mind 13:03.560 --> 13:06.060 and what we call the former installation. 13:07.320 --> 13:09.820 And it starts to become more apparent 13:09.820 --> 13:11.340 the more you start to pay attention. 13:12.620 --> 13:17.260 And then it's annoying and uncomfortable to realize it 13:17.260 --> 13:20.960 but most of our thoughts are not our own. 13:21.180 --> 13:23.520 They're just like constant monkey mind stuff 13:23.520 --> 13:25.280 that comes through like a radio channel. 13:25.900 --> 13:29.600 So it takes real effort and saving of energy 13:29.600 --> 13:31.800 in order to be able to turn and face that 13:31.800 --> 13:35.760 and get it to stop letting that radio channel come in. 13:35.940 --> 13:39.160 And that's where silence becomes critical 13:39.580 --> 13:41.720 and the reason I teach the things I teach 13:41.720 --> 13:44.280 is because they're practical ways to get into silence 13:44.840 --> 13:46.360 without relying on substances. 13:47.260 --> 13:50.480 Most people use drugs, medicine or whatever 13:50.480 --> 13:51.660 to get into silence, 13:52.280 --> 13:55.980 but then they're not able to integrate what happened to them 13:56.520 --> 13:58.780 because it's such a big shift of perception 13:58.780 --> 14:01.140 that when they come back, everything's kind of chaotic 14:01.140 --> 14:03.580 and potentially very dangerous 14:03.580 --> 14:05.540 because you're opening yourself up in ways 14:05.540 --> 14:09.580 that are not ideal unless you really are ready 14:09.580 --> 14:12.900 for the impact of what power plants can do to you. 14:13.420 --> 14:16.340 So the hypnosis is a really tricky situation. 14:16.560 --> 14:19.100 We wanna come out of hypnosis but not too aggressively. 14:20.040 --> 14:22.780 We wanna be careful and come up with a strategy 14:22.780 --> 14:26.500 that's gonna help us do so without ending up schizophrenic 14:26.500 --> 14:29.100 or ending up with delusions of grandeur 14:29.500 --> 14:31.600 or getting caught in materialism 14:32.160 --> 14:35.320 or the attention that you might get 14:35.600 --> 14:40.760 could lead to you being your ego getting out of balance 14:40.760 --> 14:42.820 and then losing your path entirely. 14:43.180 --> 14:45.340 So this is all delicate territory 14:45.620 --> 14:48.600 to try to become awake and aware in a world 14:48.600 --> 14:53.620 that is designed to program and control us. 14:53.840 --> 14:55.720 And so these forces, even when you become 14:56.360 --> 14:58.780 really liberated from hypnosis, 14:58.780 --> 15:02.000 then they're gonna try to use you to create a cult 15:02.480 --> 15:05.780 or something so that you are still controllable 15:05.780 --> 15:06.900 in a different manner. 15:08.500 --> 15:10.020 Right, yeah, great answer. 15:10.180 --> 15:11.200 There's so much in there. 15:11.860 --> 15:14.080 I can't help but asking first around, 15:14.600 --> 15:17.360 now you've received a lot of good positive attention 15:17.360 --> 15:18.180 in the last while. 15:18.340 --> 15:21.760 I've seen you really accelerating in your work 15:21.760 --> 15:23.340 which is fantastic, congratulations. 15:24.400 --> 15:27.040 Has that been challenging for you on that level 15:27.040 --> 15:30.540 of, you know, because that is one of the lures 15:30.540 --> 15:33.100 into that more material kind of existence, 15:33.840 --> 15:35.000 if I heard you correct. 15:35.560 --> 15:40.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a very delicate thing, right? 15:40.180 --> 15:43.080 So when people have attention on you, 15:43.240 --> 15:45.560 there's projection, right? 15:45.680 --> 15:47.420 And that's really important to live a life 15:47.420 --> 15:49.700 in which you don't have a lot of projection on you 15:49.700 --> 15:55.220 so that you can be inside of your own creative process 15:55.680 --> 15:58.180 and not letting that attention or that projection 15:59.660 --> 16:02.860 create expectation and or so like, 16:03.000 --> 16:04.980 I've been fortunate to be working 16:04.980 --> 16:07.160 with the cost of data material so in-depth 16:07.900 --> 16:10.120 that, you know, erasing personal history, 16:10.300 --> 16:13.240 losing self-importance, using death as an advisor, 16:14.080 --> 16:16.420 all those things become critical 16:16.420 --> 16:19.080 to my being able to do this work. 16:20.420 --> 16:22.180 And there's real cool tricks 16:22.180 --> 16:25.140 that you can keep applying to your life 16:25.140 --> 16:26.640 to keep yourself in check 16:28.780 --> 16:31.780 because, you know, every day everyone is a messenger, 16:32.020 --> 16:36.640 everyone is reflecting to you the pitfalls of being here. 16:37.560 --> 16:40.420 Right, so if I start to fall into a trench 16:41.280 --> 16:46.760 of like being a truther or an influencer or a shaman 16:46.760 --> 16:49.640 or all those are just trenches that people fall into. 16:49.780 --> 16:51.220 They're like archetypes sitting there 16:51.220 --> 16:58.020 waiting for you to like fall into that limited perception 16:58.020 --> 16:59.960 of you that you fit into a category. 17:00.740 --> 17:04.020 And so my relationship with it is tricky. 17:04.280 --> 17:06.440 I have to be, I just sort of look at it like, 17:07.300 --> 17:10.180 I can't get in a situation where I'm dependent 17:10.180 --> 17:16.360 on this continuing, I'm always willing to go do whatever 17:16.360 --> 17:19.500 like I'm a carpenter, I can run construction jobs, 17:19.500 --> 17:21.600 I can manage big projects. 17:21.960 --> 17:24.040 So I'm not attached to being here. 17:24.900 --> 17:26.860 And therefore there's a lot of freedom. 17:27.120 --> 17:29.360 I won't ever sell out because of that. 17:30.240 --> 17:32.940 But we get lost when it becomes our identity 17:32.940 --> 17:36.900 and then our path of heart becomes our financial piece. 17:37.360 --> 17:39.700 And so like even like tattoo artists, I know 17:40.180 --> 17:42.620 they end up losing their love for their art 17:43.180 --> 17:44.720 because it becomes the way in which 17:44.720 --> 17:48.100 they're generating income or cannabis growers. 17:48.100 --> 17:50.540 It used to be fun and lovely and beautiful. 17:50.900 --> 17:53.180 And then it became this like dark industry. 17:54.080 --> 17:55.420 And so it's really hard. 17:55.620 --> 18:00.700 This place is designed for everything to kind of get ruined. 18:02.080 --> 18:04.400 And so we have to be super careful and aware 18:04.400 --> 18:07.620 every step of the way and not fall into those traps. 18:07.680 --> 18:11.520 So I'm very conscious of it and very much like, 18:12.680 --> 18:15.880 but I also being of service and helping so many people, 18:16.630 --> 18:18.340 the most beautiful rewards, 18:19.240 --> 18:21.580 perceptually and energetically happen to me, 18:22.120 --> 18:23.340 the more people I help. 18:24.620 --> 18:28.480 All right, so I'm so thankful for that understanding 18:28.480 --> 18:32.920 that to be of service is a real relationship with source. 18:34.200 --> 18:37.800 And if we can all kind of be in a round table 18:37.800 --> 18:40.100 where we're being honest with each other 18:40.100 --> 18:44.020 about what we see, then we can all help others 18:44.620 --> 18:45.800 but we need community. 18:46.780 --> 18:49.060 We need honesty and reflection. 18:49.760 --> 18:57.340 And so I work with mentors that help me to get to know 18:57.340 --> 18:59.720 where I'm at with my wounded inner child stuff. 19:00.280 --> 19:01.920 And that's very humbling to realize 19:01.920 --> 19:04.000 that I still am in a lot of pain 19:04.680 --> 19:06.780 and that there's a lot of unresolved wounding. 19:08.380 --> 19:10.500 I've met people that think they're done 19:10.500 --> 19:11.620 with their shadow work. 19:11.910 --> 19:14.720 And that's confusing, that's concerning, right? 19:15.100 --> 19:19.040 Like that suggests that they're in delusion of grandeur, right? 19:19.180 --> 19:23.640 So it's just the costanato material is actually so confronting 19:24.630 --> 19:27.600 that it's really just to read about Taisha Avalar's 19:27.600 --> 19:32.240 experience or Florenda Donna-Graw or Carlos Costanato. 19:32.320 --> 19:35.020 You realize that I'm just a very humble, 19:35.200 --> 19:37.380 I'm just a beginner, I'm a novice, 19:37.880 --> 19:40.780 I'm lucky to have such a magical experience 19:40.780 --> 19:44.020 with perception 100% in my life. 19:44.200 --> 19:46.340 Like I've reached across the threshold, 19:46.580 --> 19:48.920 it's really incredible and I'm so thankful for it 19:48.920 --> 19:52.180 but what they've done, they get to go into other worlds 19:52.180 --> 19:55.000 and other visions and have entire experiences 19:55.000 --> 19:58.400 that are so profound and then they come back 19:58.400 --> 19:59.720 as if nothing ever happened. 20:00.300 --> 20:01.980 They're not needing to tell people, 20:02.420 --> 20:03.720 they're just so thankful. 20:04.180 --> 20:06.740 So I know I'm just at the very beginning 20:06.740 --> 20:08.840 of something that's very difficult to do 20:08.840 --> 20:10.400 but I'm not scared of doing it. 20:11.500 --> 20:13.760 So I'm really thankful for the support. 20:14.500 --> 20:16.480 I look forward to helping more and more people 20:17.140 --> 20:18.980 but I have to spend more and more time alone 20:18.980 --> 20:21.800 and in silence in order to balance that. 20:23.420 --> 20:24.200 Very nice. 20:24.940 --> 20:26.880 Yeah, my question was going to be 20:26.880 --> 20:29.180 but you answered it, why did you risk it? 20:29.380 --> 20:32.640 Why did you risk the fame and getting out there? 20:33.040 --> 20:35.620 And it's the same kind of precipice here. 20:35.960 --> 20:36.800 Would you agree? 20:36.800 --> 20:38.940 It's like walking a razor's edge 20:41.160 --> 20:43.320 to put yourself out there 20:43.320 --> 20:47.580 to receive the projections that are inevitable, right? 20:47.780 --> 20:49.260 That people just do that. 20:49.840 --> 20:51.780 They wanna project the good on you 20:51.780 --> 20:55.900 and then inevitably there's always two sides, right? 20:56.040 --> 20:57.980 The love bombers, I'm like, oh, interesting, 20:58.340 --> 20:59.920 you love me now, I bet you're gonna hate me 20:59.920 --> 21:00.480 in five minutes. 21:02.820 --> 21:04.540 Yeah, it's so important to look at. 21:04.540 --> 21:06.700 And yeah, as I cross thresholds 21:06.700 --> 21:08.800 into more and more people 21:08.800 --> 21:12.320 then the puppeteers grab one of the clients 21:12.320 --> 21:14.140 and they turn them against me 21:14.600 --> 21:17.020 and then all this slander and lies 21:17.020 --> 21:19.040 and it's just crazy to watch. 21:19.200 --> 21:20.880 I feel so bad for everyone involved 21:20.880 --> 21:24.540 because we're all just so accessible in that way. 21:24.900 --> 21:27.420 It's, so I try to be more discerning 21:27.420 --> 21:28.660 about who I work with 21:29.180 --> 21:30.720 but I have a big heart 21:30.720 --> 21:33.340 and when somebody comes to me with a lot of red flags 21:33.340 --> 21:35.920 that I really wanna, I think, well, maybe I can help them 21:35.920 --> 21:40.480 and it's just really difficult to become kind of ruthless 21:40.480 --> 21:42.240 enough to turn people down 21:42.240 --> 21:45.640 and to try to figure out how to navigate all of it 21:46.250 --> 21:49.000 but I did get vision of how difficult it would be. 21:49.740 --> 21:52.900 My plan was to be private my whole life 21:52.900 --> 21:55.340 and to keep working with these psychic women 21:55.340 --> 21:57.220 that I was training with as a student 21:57.860 --> 22:00.280 and then when they put on masks 22:00.280 --> 22:03.720 and recommended the jabs and all that it just, 22:03.800 --> 22:06.300 I broke my heart and I just got shown 22:06.300 --> 22:08.260 that I needed to teach these things 22:08.260 --> 22:10.380 to people that could really benefit 22:10.380 --> 22:13.400 because they're attracting followers 22:13.400 --> 22:15.000 and I'm attracting warriors 22:15.700 --> 22:17.540 because I'm working within the world 22:17.540 --> 22:19.160 in which people are willing to look 22:19.160 --> 22:20.560 at what's actually going on 22:21.140 --> 22:23.420 and they weren't willing to turn and look at it 22:23.420 --> 22:25.500 and that just was so disturbing 22:26.180 --> 22:29.420 and I feel so alone in a lot of ways because of it 22:29.420 --> 22:31.480 like I was deep, deep with them 22:32.150 --> 22:34.360 and they're very gifted in many ways 22:34.360 --> 22:37.320 so all that is just such a difficult thing 22:37.320 --> 22:38.500 to come to terms with 22:39.620 --> 22:42.900 and yeah, the challenges that come with this 22:43.350 --> 22:46.940 are going to be the tightrope 22:46.940 --> 22:49.680 that I will learn to either walk or not 22:49.680 --> 22:51.840 and it is terrifying and uncomfortable 22:55.620 --> 22:58.040 but what I'm doing is unprecedented. 22:59.420 --> 23:01.180 I'm listening, I'm not copying, 23:01.600 --> 23:07.880 I've become very capable of being supported 23:07.880 --> 23:09.940 by non-linear helpers 23:10.640 --> 23:13.500 and so the lineage is working through me 23:13.500 --> 23:14.820 and it's guiding me 23:15.540 --> 23:18.440 and I'm so thankful to be that much further along 23:18.440 --> 23:21.800 in my journey because of what I chose to do 23:21.800 --> 23:25.460 it forces forcing me to mature and grow up 23:25.460 --> 23:27.120 and become more discerning and aware 23:27.680 --> 23:29.320 in a way that I wouldn't be able to 23:29.320 --> 23:32.140 without this type of rite of passage essentially. 23:34.440 --> 23:36.820 Very well said, yeah, I've noticed 23:37.820 --> 23:39.460 if you don't mind my reflection 23:39.460 --> 23:41.020 just such a huge transformation 23:41.020 --> 23:42.860 has taken place in the short term, 23:43.060 --> 23:44.820 short time that I've been tuning in with you 23:44.820 --> 23:48.400 like really beautiful trajectory of growth 23:49.000 --> 23:51.500 and I appreciate your honesty so much 23:51.500 --> 23:53.720 because for everybody out there in the 23:54.540 --> 23:56.240 whether it's the New Age movement 23:56.240 --> 23:57.320 or Healing movements 23:57.320 --> 24:00.720 or the Alternative Health movements 24:00.720 --> 24:02.080 and stuff like that 24:02.080 --> 24:05.220 and when they say, oh, it's gonna be so easy 24:05.220 --> 24:07.820 and perfect and all you need to do is this and that 24:07.820 --> 24:09.720 and you can have everything you want 24:09.720 --> 24:12.060 and they just sell it 24:12.060 --> 24:14.260 like it's gonna be this wonderful journey 24:14.260 --> 24:20.540 and frankly for me, I'm into it for more than 30 years 24:20.540 --> 24:22.260 probably 35 years 24:23.020 --> 24:26.420 and it gets harder every year, right? 24:27.060 --> 24:27.800 It gets harder 24:28.380 --> 24:30.160 and what you say, you know 24:30.160 --> 24:32.380 I always thought had the imagination 24:32.380 --> 24:34.420 that this work was gonna make me great 24:35.020 --> 24:36.540 but it's quite the opposite 24:36.540 --> 24:39.160 it makes me like nobody. 24:41.460 --> 24:43.420 Oh, yeah, it's very much 24:45.460 --> 24:48.220 that's what's needed is that knowing 24:48.220 --> 24:49.340 that you're not needed 24:49.340 --> 24:52.600 and yet the spirit is going to work with you 24:53.000 --> 24:54.520 and yet there's a backup plan 24:54.520 --> 24:56.260 so you're not required 24:56.260 --> 24:58.160 and yet you're part of all of it 24:58.160 --> 24:59.740 you're interconnected 24:59.740 --> 25:03.380 so this whole dance with becoming nothing 25:04.060 --> 25:07.900 and empty enough in order to be truly of service 25:09.040 --> 25:12.620 that there's so many layers and different depths 25:12.620 --> 25:14.260 in which people are willing to go 25:14.260 --> 25:18.140 and most people have jumped in a little bit 25:18.140 --> 25:20.080 and they're claiming to have discovered something 25:20.080 --> 25:22.160 they write books about all these things 25:22.160 --> 25:24.480 and then you meet them 25:24.480 --> 25:25.860 and there's just no depth there 25:25.860 --> 25:28.920 because they thought the shallow end was the deep end 25:28.920 --> 25:32.040 and so they got all excited and everybody believes them 25:32.560 --> 25:34.500 and it's just really, it's like crazy 25:34.500 --> 25:36.180 because they're the ones that tend to get 25:36.180 --> 25:37.020 a lot of attention 25:37.560 --> 25:39.480 that's just because this place is designed 25:40.120 --> 25:43.500 as a means to make sure that the real stuff gets 25:44.880 --> 25:47.520 somehow less accessible to the masses. 25:49.180 --> 25:49.780 Exactly. 25:50.860 --> 25:54.500 Yeah, I'd like also your point about being really discerning 25:54.500 --> 25:56.720 about who you let into your circles 25:56.720 --> 25:58.020 especially who you work with. 25:58.520 --> 26:01.880 I actually teach betting for my coaches. 26:02.420 --> 26:03.700 Yeah, yeah, so that they, 26:03.800 --> 26:06.000 because you save yourself so much trouble, right? 26:06.180 --> 26:09.180 That ounce of pre-framing is worth a pound 26:09.180 --> 26:12.640 of trying to pick up the pieces later down the road 26:12.640 --> 26:14.020 and yeah, I got to a point 26:14.020 --> 26:15.640 where I was literally discouraging people 26:15.640 --> 26:18.800 from doing the work to a point too 26:18.800 --> 26:20.960 because everyone has some potential. 26:21.440 --> 26:24.340 This was one of the things that I heard you say 26:24.340 --> 26:26.040 that this work is not for everyone 26:26.040 --> 26:27.960 and I appreciate that so much. 26:28.080 --> 26:31.000 So who would you say it is right for? 26:33.060 --> 26:38.440 Yeah, I mean, I think when one is really ready 26:38.440 --> 26:41.600 to discover the mystery 26:41.600 --> 26:44.940 and move into the non-linear and the abstract, 26:45.300 --> 26:47.400 it needs to be like a really strong calling. 26:48.700 --> 26:53.360 Otherwise it's just sort of like could be really ungrounding. 26:54.520 --> 26:57.220 And so I try to help people get grounded 26:58.080 --> 27:00.820 as the primary thing so that they don't get, 27:02.260 --> 27:04.960 they don't further dysregulate their nervous system. 27:06.140 --> 27:08.480 And so some people I'm trying to help 27:08.480 --> 27:10.300 like really slow down the process, 27:10.380 --> 27:12.960 but they're in desperation wanting like a quick fix 27:12.960 --> 27:15.260 and just have to be really honest 27:15.260 --> 27:16.880 that this is going to take years. 27:17.180 --> 27:21.020 Like you're in a place that doesn't get fixed right away 27:21.020 --> 27:22.900 and some people they're really advanced 27:22.900 --> 27:26.080 and I can help them to just expedite their capacity 27:26.080 --> 27:27.920 because they've already done a ton of work 27:27.920 --> 27:30.120 but most people are showing up thinking 27:30.120 --> 27:31.280 they've done all this work 27:31.280 --> 27:33.200 but whatever work they've been doing 27:33.200 --> 27:34.780 it hasn't been effective enough 27:34.780 --> 27:38.260 to be able to really claim that they've done the work. 27:38.500 --> 27:41.020 And so it's kind of like having to be brutally honest 27:41.020 --> 27:43.280 with people and then they're like, 27:43.300 --> 27:45.040 well, why should I try one more thing? 27:45.440 --> 27:49.020 But that's usually right there where there might be ready 27:49.020 --> 27:51.520 if they can show up as a beginner 27:51.520 --> 27:54.320 and realize that that's the only way to learn. 27:54.860 --> 27:56.660 But if they're like, I've done all this work 27:56.660 --> 27:57.960 then I shouldn't still be here. 27:58.080 --> 27:59.660 Therefore, is this going to work? 28:00.400 --> 28:02.860 I'm like, I tell people this works no matter what. 28:02.860 --> 28:04.280 It's just whether you follow through 28:05.090 --> 28:06.780 and right when it's about to break through 28:06.780 --> 28:08.020 you'll likely walk away 28:08.020 --> 28:10.420 because the resistance is so powerful. 28:10.640 --> 28:13.900 So this work is actually available to anyone 28:13.900 --> 28:16.320 if they have an issue with their job 28:16.990 --> 28:19.880 and they're throwing energy at their employer. 28:20.420 --> 28:21.140 I can help them. 28:21.220 --> 28:23.680 I can save their life if they'll just listen to me. 28:24.380 --> 28:27.020 But most people aren't willing to look 28:27.020 --> 28:30.420 at their responsibility, their part within their puzzle 28:30.980 --> 28:32.600 and they wanna blame and project 28:32.600 --> 28:34.580 and be at odds with the world. 28:35.060 --> 28:36.500 And I take that away. 28:36.620 --> 28:38.280 There's nothing to be at odds with. 28:39.020 --> 28:42.360 This whole place is just a reflection of where you are at. 28:43.380 --> 28:48.740 And whatever you think is in the way of you 28:48.740 --> 28:51.180 being successful has nothing to do with you. 28:51.440 --> 28:52.720 I mean, it's not true. 28:52.900 --> 28:53.880 You're the only one. 28:54.500 --> 28:56.720 And so this is all very energetic work 28:56.720 --> 29:01.940 that requires a brutal level of honesty with self. 29:03.300 --> 29:04.800 Yeah, you got it. 29:05.300 --> 29:07.520 It was fun when you were saying 29:07.520 --> 29:10.680 how most of our thoughts are not our own. 29:11.640 --> 29:13.900 And this ties in with what you just said 29:13.900 --> 29:17.420 in terms of the willingness to take responsibility. 29:17.920 --> 29:21.860 I teach a process based on the work of Lester Levinson. 29:22.240 --> 29:23.920 And this is not a new statement. 29:23.920 --> 29:26.880 And it's practically boring by this point 29:26.880 --> 29:32.300 of our spiritual evolution in the popular world 29:32.300 --> 29:33.600 or whatever you wanna call it, 29:33.620 --> 29:35.220 but it's radical responsibility. 29:36.040 --> 29:38.460 And so something happens to you 29:38.460 --> 29:41.080 and my paradigm now, 29:41.160 --> 29:43.600 not to say I'm perfect at this by any means 29:44.260 --> 29:46.780 and I'm probably gonna be tested just for saying this, 29:47.640 --> 29:50.420 but I get this, well, I did it. 29:51.140 --> 29:52.640 And how did I do it? 29:52.640 --> 29:57.660 Even though there's some level of, I've been victimized, 29:57.760 --> 29:59.580 but what is my part? 29:59.740 --> 30:01.600 How am I cooperating with this? 30:01.900 --> 30:03.560 What am I running inside myself 30:03.560 --> 30:07.760 that is willing to engage with this process? 30:08.100 --> 30:09.160 Like, and it wasn't in fact, 30:09.400 --> 30:11.700 Custonator was the guy who somebody asked him 30:11.700 --> 30:13.500 like, how do you stay safe? 30:13.500 --> 30:15.420 And he said, don't show up for the shooting. 30:15.980 --> 30:16.860 Was that him? 30:17.640 --> 30:20.020 Well, Carlos was trying to convince Don Juan 30:20.020 --> 30:24.180 that he was vulnerable to things just like he was. 30:25.220 --> 30:26.240 And so he was saying, well, 30:26.880 --> 30:29.920 Don Juan was trying to tell him how to navigate 30:29.920 --> 30:31.180 or how to be impeccable. 30:31.560 --> 30:33.700 And Carlos was saying, well, 30:33.780 --> 30:35.400 you wouldn't be able to get away from, 30:35.600 --> 30:37.080 if somebody was trying to shoot you, 30:37.760 --> 30:40.400 then you would, there's nothing you could do about that. 30:40.420 --> 30:42.520 And he said, of course I can. 30:42.940 --> 30:45.940 I wouldn't come around if someone was trying to shoot me. 30:47.400 --> 30:50.000 Yeah, yeah, thank you for filling in the blank there. 30:51.000 --> 30:55.120 And that, you know, the magical thing aside from there, 30:55.160 --> 30:56.780 and I'm not using that word lightly. 30:57.680 --> 31:01.140 I don't use it at all, but that taking responsibility 31:01.140 --> 31:07.280 is not the truth, but it is the most powerful tool. 31:08.220 --> 31:10.060 And it helps me to move. 31:10.280 --> 31:13.620 So I don't have to go through all of my life feeling like, 31:13.740 --> 31:15.480 oh, that's not my thought and that's not my thought. 31:15.480 --> 31:19.640 And where is the intruder and come in at every angle, 31:19.740 --> 31:21.680 even though it seems like they are. 31:22.320 --> 31:24.420 And probably that is the reality. 31:25.120 --> 31:27.840 I'm very naive in that, that I'll just keep on, 31:28.440 --> 31:29.400 oh, that's my thought. 31:29.620 --> 31:31.240 And then I'll work with that thought 31:31.240 --> 31:35.260 and I'll hopefully release whatever programming 31:35.260 --> 31:39.280 is associated if it's not productive or creative 31:39.280 --> 31:41.580 or life supportive and that kind of thing. 31:41.800 --> 31:44.320 So yeah, I'm just having fun finding the parallels 31:44.320 --> 31:48.120 in our discoveries, it's so cool. 31:50.800 --> 31:53.120 Let's see where would I like to go? 31:53.520 --> 31:58.820 So what do you think is the nature? 31:59.120 --> 32:02.840 This question, I doubt we can really come to any fact of, 32:02.940 --> 32:05.040 but you never know, because your knowledge is deep. 32:05.420 --> 32:08.260 What do you think the programming actually is? 32:11.200 --> 32:15.040 I mean, the dreamers that I've talked to that said 32:15.040 --> 32:17.980 that they are able to go into the non-linear 32:17.980 --> 32:23.280 and witness things that are considered past events 32:24.200 --> 32:28.860 is that there is a, and there are inorganic beings 32:28.860 --> 32:34.560 that are very powerful and capable of feeding off of us 32:34.560 --> 32:38.340 and that they've created these, a replica of their, 32:38.840 --> 32:40.840 they created like these replicas of, 32:41.840 --> 32:43.360 or they didn't mean to do this, 32:43.400 --> 32:45.300 but they created something as a means 32:45.300 --> 32:49.160 to sort of monitor us and control us 32:49.160 --> 32:50.820 so they didn't have to use much effort 32:50.820 --> 32:53.140 and that thing replicated itself. 32:53.320 --> 32:56.560 It was like a program that recreated itself 32:56.560 --> 32:58.240 and then it spread exponentially, 32:58.440 --> 33:00.680 like out of control, like within an instant 33:01.720 --> 33:05.260 and that those things are like have taken over 33:06.080 --> 33:10.380 and so whatever created that has lost control 33:10.380 --> 33:13.520 of what it created and we're in a real predicament 33:15.120 --> 33:16.140 because of it. 33:16.600 --> 33:19.040 It's kind of like in the, I think it's the Fantasia 33:19.040 --> 33:22.280 where Mickey Mouse tries to make more brooms 33:22.800 --> 33:25.000 in order to clean, or like tries to, 33:25.240 --> 33:27.720 it creates all these, he was a sorcerer's apprentice 33:28.060 --> 33:30.540 and he used magic to do something 33:31.120 --> 33:32.720 and it became destructive 33:32.720 --> 33:36.160 because it replicated itself and then it took over 33:36.960 --> 33:40.240 and there's something about that in the world of sorcery 33:40.240 --> 33:44.920 that people that have power end up trying to make things easy 33:45.560 --> 33:48.900 and then that real dilemmas occur 33:48.900 --> 33:53.200 and so there's multiple non-human forces 33:53.200 --> 33:57.180 that we are in it and unfortunately 33:57.180 --> 34:00.060 in dealing with as far as spiritual warfare 34:00.840 --> 34:03.920 and I think that it's dangerous to pick one side 34:03.920 --> 34:07.520 or the other, that the spiritual warfare itself is a trap 34:08.120 --> 34:10.200 and that there's a way to walk a middle path 34:10.200 --> 34:13.080 and did not get caught in all of it 34:13.080 --> 34:15.340 and it takes real discernment to recognize 34:15.340 --> 34:19.860 that it's seductive and most shamans get pulled 34:19.860 --> 34:22.220 into that stuff one way or another 34:23.020 --> 34:26.940 so it's just hard to come to terms with that 34:26.940 --> 34:32.180 that we're being programmed by something 34:33.720 --> 34:35.940 that isn't going to go away 34:35.940 --> 34:40.080 so therefore most of humanity is not going to be able 34:40.080 --> 34:42.160 to reclaim their attention. 34:42.660 --> 34:45.820 It's very few of us that are gonna be able to do that 34:46.160 --> 34:48.140 and I don't think it's meant to be different 34:48.140 --> 34:50.880 I think as kind of dark as that sounds 34:50.880 --> 34:55.260 it's just the way in which this place is designed 34:55.260 --> 34:58.220 and it's in a way really worth it 34:58.220 --> 35:01.560 because if you and I can really make use of this lifetime 35:01.560 --> 35:04.920 as a means to become super conscious and aware 35:04.920 --> 35:09.060 then we can discover how incredible humans are 35:09.760 --> 35:12.260 and therefore that 100th monkey thing works 35:12.260 --> 35:16.660 because it gives people permission to unlock the secret 35:16.660 --> 35:19.520 of what we are which is perceptual creatures 35:19.520 --> 35:24.060 capable of creating worlds just like the one we're in 35:24.060 --> 35:27.040 but it requires such a deep journey inward 35:27.040 --> 35:30.720 that most people would just rather keep the TV on 35:30.720 --> 35:33.740 and scroll on their phone and not go into that depth. 35:35.000 --> 35:37.980 Exactly yeah you said that it requires a lot of time alone 35:38.500 --> 35:42.340 and even with time alone there's no guarantee right 35:42.340 --> 35:45.240 I love what you said about reclaiming our attention 35:45.240 --> 35:48.220 man if there's like one boom 35:48.220 --> 35:51.360 I'm sure there's gonna be many but that's a big one there 35:52.400 --> 35:55.660 and when you talk about inorganic beings 35:56.080 --> 35:59.160 what is that like is that life as we know it 35:59.160 --> 36:01.240 or something entirely different yeah. 36:02.340 --> 36:06.180 Yeah I mean we are, if you read the Costa Nada books 36:06.180 --> 36:08.640 thoroughly they go really into the depths 36:08.640 --> 36:11.140 of all these different types of creatures 36:11.140 --> 36:14.240 that we coexist with that are here right now 36:14.240 --> 36:16.420 but we can't see them and they can see us. 36:18.680 --> 36:21.520 When night time happens when it cuts night time 36:21.520 --> 36:23.320 then some people can see them 36:23.960 --> 36:26.260 but they're not easily perceived 36:26.260 --> 36:27.640 you don't see them with your eyes 36:27.640 --> 36:30.940 you see them with your energy field perceives them 36:31.600 --> 36:34.160 but there might be like what you think your eyes are seen 36:34.160 --> 36:37.580 as like a sort of a version of scene 36:37.580 --> 36:39.100 but really you're perceiving them 36:39.100 --> 36:41.060 with a different part of you if you're able 36:41.060 --> 36:41.980 to witness them. 36:42.320 --> 36:44.580 I was introduced to them when I was 16 36:44.580 --> 36:47.400 in the wilderness during the middle of the day 36:47.400 --> 36:49.020 my teacher was so powerful 36:49.720 --> 36:52.920 that he was able to you know pull something 36:55.040 --> 36:59.260 in to help me have my first experience witnessing them 36:59.600 --> 37:03.120 and it was just like energy moving in this weird way 37:03.120 --> 37:05.260 and I couldn't see really anything 37:06.320 --> 37:09.880 I kind of had a projection experience of something in it 37:09.880 --> 37:12.200 it was uncomfortable to witness something 37:12.960 --> 37:16.200 that wasn't of this world from my perspective 37:16.780 --> 37:19.520 that led to being able to go into the wilderness at night 37:19.520 --> 37:23.760 and see these incredibly powerful energy fields 37:24.440 --> 37:27.100 and to hear sounds that they would make 37:27.900 --> 37:30.120 and so they're called entities of the night 37:30.120 --> 37:31.720 because that's when they're perceived 37:31.720 --> 37:34.540 and they come out of their hiding 37:34.540 --> 37:36.280 or whatever at night as well 37:36.280 --> 37:38.320 and they're seeking interaction 37:38.320 --> 37:40.000 they're not necessarily negative 37:40.540 --> 37:43.060 you could wrestle one down to the ground 37:43.060 --> 37:45.000 if you were crazy enough 37:45.550 --> 37:49.200 and it would become a helper that you could use 37:49.200 --> 37:51.340 if you were into that kind of sorcery 37:51.340 --> 37:54.220 and then that helper can spy on your apprentices 37:54.220 --> 37:56.440 or it can tell you things 37:57.130 --> 37:59.960 so that you don't have to like figure it out on your own 37:59.960 --> 38:04.600 it becomes like this aid that most sorcerers end up 38:05.620 --> 38:09.260 using so there's all kinds of weird ways 38:09.260 --> 38:10.660 to interact with these things 38:10.660 --> 38:13.180 some of them are just shadowy entities 38:13.180 --> 38:14.600 that are just parasitic 38:14.600 --> 38:15.720 and they're just annoying 38:15.720 --> 38:17.800 and they can attach to your energy field 38:20.360 --> 38:23.380 there's entities that can come in through dreams 38:23.380 --> 38:26.060 that can possess people 38:26.720 --> 38:29.000 I've been a part of many exorcisms 38:29.000 --> 38:31.820 but the reality is unless you do your own work 38:31.820 --> 38:34.180 that exorcism's just a temporary fix 38:34.180 --> 38:36.140 and that entity will probably reattach 38:37.720 --> 38:40.500 so I teach people how to heal themself 38:40.500 --> 38:42.180 so they're not relying on shamans 38:42.180 --> 38:43.620 to do the work for them 38:44.820 --> 38:46.400 yeah excellent way to go 38:47.160 --> 38:49.180 I'll ask this question first from the chat 38:49.960 --> 38:51.200 how do we fend them off? 38:51.340 --> 38:52.920 do prayers and mantras work? 38:53.260 --> 38:55.060 can Joel recommend his spiritual weapons? 38:57.140 --> 39:00.780 oh yeah it's a difficult thing to talk about 39:01.940 --> 39:05.080 some people are really into like setting up protection 39:05.700 --> 39:09.440 and doing all kinds of rituals and ceremonies 39:09.440 --> 39:11.660 and that can be a really powerful way to learn 39:12.180 --> 39:13.220 at a certain point 39:13.680 --> 39:17.300 but I've found that that protection like attracts challengers 39:17.860 --> 39:20.780 so that you're almost like creating a spiritual battle 39:21.900 --> 39:25.100 so what I've found is that the joy in your life 39:25.100 --> 39:26.700 is what protects you 39:26.700 --> 39:28.540 when your life is harmonious 39:28.540 --> 39:31.040 and you have a lot of beautiful things happening 39:31.040 --> 39:32.840 then everything balances out 39:32.840 --> 39:35.040 including these types of things 39:35.040 --> 39:37.780 and so a lot of people get into spiritual stuff 39:37.780 --> 39:39.220 when they're not in harmony 39:39.920 --> 39:42.040 they're looking for the spiritual path 39:42.040 --> 39:43.080 to create the harmony 39:43.600 --> 39:45.760 and then all this fear comes up 39:46.340 --> 39:48.300 because they need to go through their fear 39:48.300 --> 39:49.700 in order to get to harmony 39:50.660 --> 39:53.160 so it's like not an easy thing to explain 39:53.640 --> 39:56.000 but learning what I recommend 39:56.000 --> 39:58.000 is that people do the magical passes 39:58.500 --> 39:59.980 practice recapitulation 40:00.580 --> 40:02.640 and become curious about dreaming 40:02.640 --> 40:05.180 not obsessed or trying to fix 40:05.180 --> 40:07.340 or there's going to be nightmares 40:07.340 --> 40:09.980 that's part of becoming an aware dreamer 40:09.980 --> 40:12.140 but there's also going to be the most beautiful 40:12.140 --> 40:14.800 healing experiences in your dream time as well 40:14.800 --> 40:17.700 so it's worth going through the fear side of it 40:17.700 --> 40:22.560 in order to get to the part where you become lucid 40:22.560 --> 40:24.580 and can have the time of your life 40:25.220 --> 40:28.340 and these entities and energy beings 40:28.340 --> 40:29.160 they're attached 40:29.160 --> 40:31.320 they're attracted to your emotions 40:32.200 --> 40:34.600 so some people have a lot of fear 40:34.600 --> 40:36.700 and therefore those beings come closer 40:36.700 --> 40:38.480 and some people have like a lot of love 40:38.480 --> 40:39.480 for them 40:39.480 --> 40:41.220 because they don't know what they're dealing with 40:41.220 --> 40:43.860 and then they end up forming bonds with these things 40:43.860 --> 40:45.320 that they don't really understand 40:45.900 --> 40:48.000 and you probably want to have a better understanding 40:48.000 --> 40:49.520 of what these things are really about 40:49.520 --> 40:51.220 before you form bonds with them 40:52.580 --> 40:54.300 yeah that's really wise 40:54.860 --> 40:57.100 there was a time when I was doing a small project 40:57.100 --> 40:58.640 with someone pre-planetemic 40:58.640 --> 41:00.840 and we were doing 41:00.840 --> 41:02.740 you know it was a goddess thing 41:02.740 --> 41:04.920 and we got that Ishtar 41:04.920 --> 41:09.080 and all kinds of entities actually 41:09.080 --> 41:10.920 Mother Mary, Mary Magdalene 41:10.920 --> 41:11.560 all these you know 41:11.560 --> 41:13.660 and we think we're so romantic about them 41:13.660 --> 41:14.740 we love them 41:15.540 --> 41:18.360 and I had a lot of direct experiences 41:19.020 --> 41:22.120 and amazingly I was being protected 41:22.120 --> 41:23.560 without asking for protection 41:23.560 --> 41:25.640 because I was I was seduced by them 41:25.640 --> 41:26.420 right I 41:27.000 --> 41:29.440 it seemed you know you call on Mary 41:29.440 --> 41:30.340 and there's Mary 41:30.340 --> 41:32.720 and it's this really elevated experience 41:32.720 --> 41:33.960 but I saw through 41:33.960 --> 41:36.440 I managed to see through and realize 41:36.440 --> 41:38.420 like this is an entity 41:39.140 --> 41:41.940 and me calling on these things 41:41.940 --> 41:44.520 is is opening me to that 41:45.280 --> 41:47.860 so I was able to shut that down 41:48.680 --> 41:50.640 and you know so do you agree 41:50.640 --> 41:53.020 they come into in all kinds of disguises 41:53.920 --> 41:56.220 yeah I work with the earth and the sun 41:56.920 --> 41:59.240 because everything else I don't know 41:59.240 --> 42:01.280 well why are you helping me 42:02.100 --> 42:03.460 you know and what's your agenda 42:03.460 --> 42:05.640 why is everyone always calling Michael in 42:05.640 --> 42:07.460 like what is this all about 42:08.020 --> 42:08.440 you know 42:09.080 --> 42:10.560 what is the exchange 42:11.400 --> 42:13.200 and so I'm just curious 42:13.200 --> 42:14.820 I don't claim to know or understand 42:15.600 --> 42:17.660 one of my elders used to make fun of 42:17.660 --> 42:20.160 you know like white light people 42:20.160 --> 42:22.620 and all the new age stuff 42:22.620 --> 42:25.380 and and all the people working with angels 42:25.380 --> 42:26.260 and stuff because 42:27.060 --> 42:28.920 you know he looks at it like it's 42:28.920 --> 42:31.060 a very much like you don't 42:31.060 --> 42:32.820 like you don't want to get on the light side 42:32.820 --> 42:33.740 or the dark side 42:33.740 --> 42:35.880 you don't want to be calling in these helpers 42:35.880 --> 42:37.720 it's kind of like if you go to prison 42:37.720 --> 42:39.200 and you have to join a gang 42:39.200 --> 42:40.500 in order to get through it 42:41.040 --> 42:43.640 you know if some way you could not do that 42:43.640 --> 42:44.580 that would be ideal 42:44.580 --> 42:46.100 to just remain sovereign 42:46.100 --> 42:48.700 and and just work directly to stores 42:48.700 --> 42:50.540 instead of like a middle man 42:51.420 --> 42:52.880 yes red pill blue pill 42:53.940 --> 42:56.380 right it's in the same exact category 42:56.380 --> 42:58.180 which I'm seeing in technicolor 42:58.180 --> 43:00.420 in so many arenas like everywhere 43:01.180 --> 43:02.940 and yeah yeah yeah 43:02.940 --> 43:04.140 they want you to go to the good 43:04.140 --> 43:05.500 and go away from the bad 43:05.500 --> 43:08.860 but it's it just keeps you on the exact pendulum 43:09.460 --> 43:11.580 what I what I refer to as on the map 43:11.580 --> 43:12.920 I won't go into detail 43:12.920 --> 43:14.960 but our our our purpose 43:14.960 --> 43:17.100 to me is to get off the maps 43:18.400 --> 43:20.040 yeah that have been provided 43:20.040 --> 43:21.600 so wow so good 43:24.800 --> 43:27.140 yeah the the interfering energies 43:28.180 --> 43:30.980 it's interesting I went through series of accidents this summer 43:30.980 --> 43:33.140 and I'm not really an accident person 43:34.240 --> 43:36.460 an injuries I haven't been in 43:36.460 --> 43:37.740 I really haven't been injured 43:37.740 --> 43:39.020 I'm pretty careful 43:40.360 --> 43:42.700 I had I like to walk backwards 43:42.700 --> 43:43.800 a little bit in line 43:43.800 --> 43:44.720 I was going to ask you about 43:44.720 --> 43:46.140 contraries and tricksters 43:46.140 --> 43:46.920 and all that kind of thing 43:46.920 --> 43:48.500 I have a fun walking backwards 43:49.220 --> 43:51.880 well one week I hit a truck 43:52.640 --> 43:53.600 walking backwards 43:53.600 --> 43:55.280 and the next day 43:55.280 --> 43:56.500 I thought I'm so smart 43:56.500 --> 43:57.980 I'm going to not do this on the road 43:58.180 --> 43:59.460 I'm going to that truck wasn't moving 43:59.460 --> 44:01.100 and I didn't get that hurt at all 44:01.100 --> 44:03.240 so oh I'm going to do it in the parking lot 44:03.240 --> 44:03.980 in the park 44:05.120 --> 44:07.800 and and I fell over a curb 44:08.600 --> 44:10.600 yeah I saw the side curbs 44:10.600 --> 44:11.620 I didn't see the end curb 44:11.620 --> 44:12.780 and there's like boom 44:12.780 --> 44:14.420 a couple of people are going like yeah 44:14.420 --> 44:16.160 well done like this to me 44:16.160 --> 44:17.740 and then I had a dream 44:18.300 --> 44:20.540 that I was driving backwards 44:21.380 --> 44:23.600 and I was in the back seat of the car 44:24.140 --> 44:25.980 and I was looking sideways 44:25.980 --> 44:28.880 at something that was fully capturing 44:28.880 --> 44:29.580 my attention 44:29.580 --> 44:31.660 I can't I can't even imagine what that was 44:31.660 --> 44:32.900 it's not a screen or anything 44:33.320 --> 44:34.860 I was very contented 44:34.860 --> 44:36.140 I felt very at peace 44:36.600 --> 44:37.960 and then I looked out the back 44:37.960 --> 44:38.960 and I went hmm 44:38.960 --> 44:40.700 I wonder if I should get in the front 44:40.700 --> 44:41.840 seat of the car and drive 44:42.760 --> 44:44.300 I wonder if that's a good idea 44:44.300 --> 44:45.740 so it was just kind of an interesting 44:45.740 --> 44:47.020 illustration of 44:47.780 --> 44:48.560 of these 44:49.120 --> 44:50.300 I don't know if you want to say 44:50.300 --> 44:51.160 anything about that 44:51.160 --> 44:53.060 or what I was even asking about 44:53.060 --> 44:55.300 totally I mean yeah it's um 44:55.920 --> 44:57.400 it's amazing to learn 44:57.400 --> 44:59.620 to do the things like that 44:59.620 --> 45:00.720 like the undoings 45:00.720 --> 45:01.540 the not doings 45:02.080 --> 45:04.200 anything that pulls you out 45:04.200 --> 45:06.100 of your typical routines 45:06.100 --> 45:07.140 pattern breaks 45:07.920 --> 45:09.260 so yeah walking backwards 45:09.260 --> 45:10.420 in the Toltec world 45:10.420 --> 45:12.540 one of the Shaman students 45:13.140 --> 45:14.680 put a rear view mirror 45:15.180 --> 45:16.000 on his head 45:16.500 --> 45:17.620 attached to his head 45:17.620 --> 45:19.000 and had a rear view mirror 45:19.000 --> 45:20.080 so he can walk backwards 45:20.080 --> 45:20.720 through the city 45:20.720 --> 45:22.060 that's what I need 45:23.060 --> 45:24.720 so you're just missing that 45:24.720 --> 45:27.060 and then no more injuries 45:29.600 --> 45:31.300 I never thought that would be cheating 45:32.400 --> 45:34.060 it's actually really psychedelic 45:34.060 --> 45:35.120 because mirrors are 45:35.120 --> 45:36.640 mirrors are a powerful tool 45:37.480 --> 45:38.340 when I'm 45:39.000 --> 45:40.340 gazing in a mirror 45:40.340 --> 45:42.400 and the mirror is reflecting to me 45:42.400 --> 45:43.940 like an open window 45:44.560 --> 45:47.160 or like a sliding glass door 45:47.160 --> 45:48.740 then I'm actually looking outside 45:48.740 --> 45:49.680 through the mirror 45:49.680 --> 45:51.740 and then I forget about the mirror 45:51.740 --> 45:53.660 and I'm looking outside 45:54.580 --> 45:56.620 and I'm gazing out into the world 45:56.620 --> 45:57.560 and it's no different 45:57.560 --> 45:59.240 than if I had turned my body and looked 45:59.900 --> 46:00.520 and so 46:00.520 --> 46:02.640 and then large bodies of water 46:02.640 --> 46:03.800 like huge ponds 46:03.800 --> 46:05.300 like complete reflections 46:05.300 --> 46:06.400 if you can get silent 46:06.400 --> 46:08.320 while you're looking at some reflections 46:08.940 --> 46:10.220 it'll completely shatter 46:10.220 --> 46:11.800 your sense of reality 46:11.800 --> 46:12.320 because 46:13.260 --> 46:15.500 your your whole system goes into 46:16.060 --> 46:17.760 and it doesn't understand 46:17.760 --> 46:19.540 it doesn't know what's happening 46:19.540 --> 46:20.740 it takes it as 46:20.740 --> 46:21.760 actual thing 46:21.760 --> 46:23.280 which it is an actual thing 46:23.280 --> 46:24.960 it's actually more powerful 46:24.960 --> 46:26.860 right so if you can learn to look at the shadow 46:26.860 --> 46:28.280 instead of the tree 46:28.280 --> 46:30.240 then the shadow becomes alive 46:30.240 --> 46:31.240 and the tree becomes 46:31.720 --> 46:32.400 the shadow 46:32.400 --> 46:33.080 and then 46:33.080 --> 46:34.140 the world 46:34.140 --> 46:35.360 you know you start to watch 46:35.360 --> 46:37.440 ravens fly along the red rocks 46:37.440 --> 46:38.380 like in Sedona 46:38.840 --> 46:40.640 and you're only tracking the shadow 46:41.260 --> 46:41.860 and it's 46:42.320 --> 46:44.320 you start to move into these very altered 46:44.320 --> 46:45.320 states of perception 46:45.320 --> 46:46.560 where that world 46:46.560 --> 46:47.920 becomes more alive somehow 46:48.680 --> 46:49.840 yeah it's beautiful 46:49.840 --> 46:50.760 and you said 46:50.760 --> 46:52.220 you said the word pattern interrupt 46:52.220 --> 46:52.860 so 46:52.860 --> 46:54.360 like to me that's 46:54.360 --> 46:56.040 it's one of the most essential features 46:56.040 --> 46:56.900 people always say 46:56.900 --> 46:57.240 oh 46:57.240 --> 46:58.560 there was one of my 46:59.090 --> 46:59.380 students 46:59.970 --> 47:01.020 lover god bless her 47:01.020 --> 47:01.440 she's like 47:01.440 --> 47:01.860 oh I 47:01.860 --> 47:03.140 I started standing up 47:03.140 --> 47:04.280 to do the release work 47:04.280 --> 47:06.740 and now I'm having these massive breakthroughs 47:06.740 --> 47:07.420 and I said 47:07.420 --> 47:08.300 that's fantastic 47:08.300 --> 47:09.560 and good for you 47:09.560 --> 47:10.160 and here's 47:10.160 --> 47:11.420 probably why 47:11.420 --> 47:12.660 because it cuts that 47:12.660 --> 47:13.980 sit down and release 47:13.980 --> 47:15.800 expectation that your 47:16.640 --> 47:17.940 system already has 47:18.480 --> 47:18.740 correct 47:19.280 --> 47:20.520 yeah yeah so anyway 47:20.980 --> 47:22.840 my life is full of ways to invent 47:22.840 --> 47:24.560 those pattern interrupts 47:24.560 --> 47:24.700 and 47:24.700 --> 47:26.120 as it turns out life 47:26.120 --> 47:27.760 invents those for me too so 47:28.860 --> 47:30.260 no no shortage 47:30.980 --> 47:32.460 yeah yeah very good 47:33.000 --> 47:34.180 thank you very much Matt 47:34.180 --> 47:35.080 I appreciate that 47:35.080 --> 47:35.640 and 47:35.640 --> 47:37.220 you're sorry for my accidents 47:37.220 --> 47:39.060 so you have an impossible fear of water 47:39.060 --> 47:39.720 like drinking 47:39.720 --> 47:40.640 rain shower 47:40.640 --> 47:41.460 ocean stream 47:41.460 --> 47:42.040 all water 47:42.040 --> 47:43.160 don't touch it 47:43.160 --> 47:43.880 have been a surfer 47:43.880 --> 47:44.880 and a water person up 47:44.880 --> 47:45.440 until this 47:45.440 --> 47:46.660 relationship interesting 47:46.660 --> 47:48.300 yeah my son has a fear of water too 47:48.300 --> 47:49.600 I think it's a bath incident 47:50.180 --> 47:51.240 and when he was a baby 47:51.240 --> 47:53.260 and I don't know if there's anything 47:53.260 --> 47:54.600 you'd like to say about that 47:54.600 --> 47:57.380 I mean these are 47:57.380 --> 47:59.480 yeah the challenges that we face 48:00.220 --> 48:01.920 are personal to like 48:01.920 --> 48:02.400 you know 48:02.400 --> 48:04.260 parallel lives to sometimes 48:04.260 --> 48:05.500 where something's going on 48:05.500 --> 48:06.460 in another lifetime 48:06.460 --> 48:07.400 that's associated 48:08.020 --> 48:08.800 and they're 48:08.800 --> 48:10.500 they can be really 48:10.500 --> 48:11.720 it can be really incredible 48:11.720 --> 48:13.040 to slowly carefully 48:13.040 --> 48:14.400 eventually be able to 48:15.040 --> 48:16.160 to face these things 48:16.160 --> 48:17.300 in a way that's sustainable 48:17.920 --> 48:18.980 but you know 48:18.980 --> 48:20.540 it's okay to navigate our life 48:22.000 --> 48:22.520 carefully 48:22.520 --> 48:24.100 and avoid certain things 48:24.100 --> 48:25.040 until we're ready 48:25.040 --> 48:25.580 you know 48:25.580 --> 48:26.940 but we can heal energetic 48:26.940 --> 48:28.760 if we can heal our electricity 48:28.760 --> 48:30.780 then we can handle anything 48:31.340 --> 48:32.720 and so eventually 48:32.720 --> 48:34.120 it's just being honest 48:34.120 --> 48:35.340 about how to get to the place 48:35.340 --> 48:37.460 where we can do that 48:37.460 --> 48:38.420 and then these things 48:38.420 --> 48:40.180 that we have paranoia around 48:40.180 --> 48:41.360 can end up being 48:41.360 --> 48:42.660 the very thing that leads 48:42.660 --> 48:43.940 to our ultimate healing 48:44.640 --> 48:45.900 because we finally 48:45.900 --> 48:47.020 are able to integrate 48:48.500 --> 48:49.400 very nice 48:49.900 --> 48:51.440 I like how you're emphasizing 48:51.440 --> 48:52.600 to go slow 48:53.100 --> 48:53.400 yeah 48:53.400 --> 48:55.280 I recently went into a 48:55.280 --> 48:56.280 a detox process 48:56.280 --> 48:57.520 in the last 14 48:57.520 --> 48:58.440 now 15 months 48:59.220 --> 48:59.600 and 49:00.180 --> 49:01.660 I brought all my indoctrination 49:01.660 --> 49:02.980 with it about like 49:02.980 --> 49:03.760 go hard 49:03.760 --> 49:04.740 and you know 49:04.740 --> 49:05.660 go fast 49:05.660 --> 49:07.540 and makeup for lost time 49:07.540 --> 49:08.340 and all this kind of stuff 49:08.340 --> 49:09.640 while I got my ass kicked 49:09.640 --> 49:10.300 yeah 49:10.300 --> 49:11.160 process right 49:11.860 --> 49:13.720 and it's taken this long 49:13.720 --> 49:14.620 to come to 49:15.250 --> 49:17.420 a really good pace for myself 49:17.420 --> 49:18.140 where I know 49:18.530 --> 49:20.840 I am definitely detoxing 49:20.840 --> 49:22.660 but I'm not hurting myself 49:22.660 --> 49:23.840 and setting myself back 49:23.840 --> 49:25.460 every 10 minutes 49:26.050 --> 49:26.400 good 49:26.400 --> 49:26.960 yeah 49:27.790 --> 49:29.980 having a realistic strategy 49:29.980 --> 49:30.820 is critical 49:31.640 --> 49:32.000 yeah 49:32.000 --> 49:32.440 yeah 49:32.440 --> 49:33.820 and as far as healing 49:33.820 --> 49:34.800 the electricity 49:34.800 --> 49:35.600 do you want to say 49:35.600 --> 49:36.380 more about that 49:37.580 --> 49:39.340 I mean that's why grounding 49:39.340 --> 49:40.220 is so critical 49:40.220 --> 49:41.600 that we're meant to be 49:41.600 --> 49:42.780 grounded electrically 49:42.780 --> 49:43.440 to the mother 49:44.060 --> 49:45.400 and she's a real being 49:45.400 --> 49:48.360 and she's an electrical field 49:48.960 --> 49:50.740 they call it the earth matrix 49:51.340 --> 49:52.580 there's many many visions 49:52.580 --> 49:53.740 that she can help you 49:54.680 --> 49:56.400 go and be a part of 49:56.400 --> 49:57.880 and have the most miraculous 49:57.880 --> 49:59.480 experience as a dreamer 49:59.480 --> 50:00.580 but we would 50:00.580 --> 50:01.740 we would get really 50:02.500 --> 50:03.060 injured 50:03.060 --> 50:04.820 if we didn't heal our electricity 50:04.820 --> 50:06.540 because the jolts that happen 50:06.540 --> 50:08.160 are too intense 50:08.160 --> 50:09.080 unless you've 50:09.080 --> 50:10.480 dealt with any 50:10.480 --> 50:12.500 circuit issues 50:12.500 --> 50:13.820 everything's got to be like 50:13.820 --> 50:14.400 precise 50:14.980 --> 50:16.400 otherwise it would be overwhelming 50:16.400 --> 50:16.780 right 50:16.780 --> 50:18.440 so people go do vipassanas 50:18.980 --> 50:20.240 and they have something happen 50:20.240 --> 50:21.680 that they weren't prepared for 50:22.300 --> 50:23.620 because they forced themselves 50:23.620 --> 50:25.420 to stay sitting for so long 50:25.420 --> 50:26.020 that something 50:26.020 --> 50:27.580 you know it's sort of like 50:27.580 --> 50:28.940 the energy's forced to do 50:28.940 --> 50:29.940 something because you're not 50:29.940 --> 50:30.820 moving your body 50:30.820 --> 50:32.980 and that can be amazing 50:32.980 --> 50:34.140 because for some people 50:34.140 --> 50:36.040 that they end up on psych meds 50:36.040 --> 50:36.780 the rest of their life 50:36.780 --> 50:39.100 so there's so many tricky 50:39.700 --> 50:40.840 challenges that come 50:40.840 --> 50:42.060 with being honest 50:42.060 --> 50:44.420 about what a practical way is 50:44.420 --> 50:46.100 and we are just electrical 50:46.100 --> 50:46.580 creatures 50:46.580 --> 50:48.400 and there's dirty electricity 50:48.400 --> 50:49.940 and then there's clean electricity 50:50.780 --> 50:51.860 and in order to have 50:51.860 --> 50:53.060 clean electricity running 50:53.060 --> 50:54.300 we're going to have to 50:54.300 --> 50:55.400 clean up our lives 50:55.930 --> 50:57.040 and that's 50:57.040 --> 50:58.280 what kind of information 50:58.280 --> 50:59.540 are you tapping into 50:59.540 --> 51:00.880 what kind of people are you 51:00.880 --> 51:01.640 hanging out with 51:01.640 --> 51:03.420 where is your attention 51:04.220 --> 51:05.020 focused on 51:05.660 --> 51:06.860 and how 51:06.860 --> 51:08.460 are you going to 51:09.240 --> 51:11.320 get strong enough to feel 51:11.820 --> 51:12.580 the depths 51:13.280 --> 51:15.240 of all the unresolved feelings 51:15.240 --> 51:17.000 that are stored in your field 51:17.000 --> 51:19.380 so you want to do the practical work 51:19.380 --> 51:21.340 to get strong enough physically 51:21.880 --> 51:23.060 and energetically 51:23.060 --> 51:24.860 to be able to be 51:25.720 --> 51:27.240 a healthy processor 51:27.240 --> 51:28.820 so it's like a computer 51:28.820 --> 51:30.560 a laptop is a processor 51:31.000 --> 51:32.160 we created something 51:32.160 --> 51:33.820 that kind of represents us 51:34.300 --> 51:35.460 and in order to clean 51:35.460 --> 51:36.600 our files out 51:36.600 --> 51:38.120 so that the computer 51:38.120 --> 51:39.620 can run functionally 51:40.340 --> 51:42.040 that's where all of our heavy stories 51:42.040 --> 51:42.780 inventory 51:43.400 --> 51:45.300 fears descriptions of the world 51:45.300 --> 51:47.380 all that inventory is too heavy 51:47.380 --> 51:49.380 and it takes up too much memory 51:50.040 --> 51:51.760 and so our computers aren't 51:51.760 --> 51:52.720 working well 51:52.720 --> 51:54.780 until we clear that memory 51:54.780 --> 51:56.700 and that's where the recapitulation is 51:56.700 --> 51:58.940 is the next stage 51:58.940 --> 52:00.360 when people really understand 52:00.360 --> 52:01.180 what that is 52:01.700 --> 52:02.480 that you can 52:03.080 --> 52:04.800 basically remove the baggage 52:04.800 --> 52:05.480 you've been carrying 52:05.480 --> 52:06.340 your whole life 52:06.340 --> 52:08.080 and put it in a trash bin 52:08.080 --> 52:09.040 that will actually 52:09.620 --> 52:11.940 be able to exit out the processor 52:12.860 --> 52:13.380 nice 52:13.900 --> 52:15.220 I love the computer 52:15.980 --> 52:17.440 if it's just an analogy 52:17.440 --> 52:18.080 or a metaphor 52:18.080 --> 52:18.820 but it works 52:18.820 --> 52:20.040 and it's like you said 52:20.040 --> 52:21.820 we invented the computer 52:22.480 --> 52:23.340 as a projection 52:23.340 --> 52:25.100 of what's going on for us 52:25.100 --> 52:25.580 so yeah 52:25.580 --> 52:27.100 it works shockingly well 52:27.780 --> 52:29.120 you go to delete a file 52:29.120 --> 52:30.020 and your computer goes 52:30.020 --> 52:30.680 are you sure? 52:31.140 --> 52:31.280 yeah 52:32.360 --> 52:33.400 you're like yep 52:33.400 --> 52:34.020 I'm sure 52:34.020 --> 52:35.940 you have to give it the absolute okay 52:37.260 --> 52:37.780 yeah 52:37.780 --> 52:38.380 yeah 52:38.380 --> 52:39.300 yeah that's amazing 52:39.620 --> 52:39.820 um 52:41.040 --> 52:42.800 yeah and ending up on segments 52:42.800 --> 52:44.160 I studied in India 52:44.160 --> 52:45.700 maybe I'll talk about it more on Monday 52:45.700 --> 52:47.200 when we meet again 52:47.200 --> 52:48.580 and um 52:48.580 --> 52:49.640 you know at times 52:49.640 --> 52:50.880 there were people 52:51.340 --> 52:52.320 running naked 52:52.320 --> 52:53.420 down the road 52:53.420 --> 52:54.200 in the mountains 52:54.200 --> 52:55.480 because they just 52:55.480 --> 52:56.560 they would call them 52:56.560 --> 52:57.660 kundalini cases 52:57.660 --> 52:58.300 yeah 52:58.300 --> 53:00.000 and they had a blowout 53:00.000 --> 53:01.840 and and that's all electricity 53:02.440 --> 53:03.120 it is 53:03.120 --> 53:03.860 oh 53:03.860 --> 53:04.880 so intense 53:05.300 --> 53:06.060 yeah yeah 53:06.060 --> 53:06.900 I know it's really 53:07.360 --> 53:08.180 again it's 53:08.180 --> 53:09.460 do you feel it's a kind of 53:09.460 --> 53:10.200 razor's edge 53:11.040 --> 53:11.860 to walk 53:11.860 --> 53:13.380 or is it not like that for you 53:14.360 --> 53:15.640 yeah I mean it is 53:15.640 --> 53:16.740 because we 53:17.460 --> 53:18.680 we could easily 53:19.540 --> 53:20.240 you know 53:20.240 --> 53:22.040 move into a state of awareness 53:22.040 --> 53:23.440 in which we're no longer 53:24.020 --> 53:25.260 capable of relating 53:25.980 --> 53:27.880 to the to our fellow man 53:28.500 --> 53:30.160 and we need to be able to 53:30.880 --> 53:32.120 that's why the Toltecs 53:32.120 --> 53:33.620 emphasize controlled folly 53:33.620 --> 53:34.380 that you realize 53:34.380 --> 53:35.680 that everybody's operating 53:35.680 --> 53:37.260 out of a default program 53:37.260 --> 53:39.260 that they're all under hypnosis 53:39.880 --> 53:41.740 and you learn how to be an actor 53:41.740 --> 53:42.480 or an actress 53:42.480 --> 53:44.460 so that people don't realize 53:44.460 --> 53:45.540 that you're no longer 53:46.500 --> 53:47.680 separate from that 53:48.380 --> 53:49.820 that way you don't scare people 53:49.820 --> 53:50.940 you can get in and out of 53:50.940 --> 53:52.340 situations without triggering 53:52.340 --> 53:52.860 people 53:53.420 --> 53:54.820 you wear you wear a lightweight 53:54.820 --> 53:56.640 mask instead of wear the constant 53:56.640 --> 53:58.440 heavy social mask of your 53:58.440 --> 53:59.920 you know Joel Schaefer 53:59.920 --> 54:00.900 or whatever it's like 54:00.900 --> 54:02.500 we have to take that one off 54:02.500 --> 54:04.140 and that's an uncomfortable thing 54:04.140 --> 54:04.580 to do 54:05.300 --> 54:06.560 but like you know 54:06.560 --> 54:07.680 it happened through your 54:07.680 --> 54:09.740 journey of disease 54:09.740 --> 54:10.800 and then coming 54:10.800 --> 54:12.100 having to face the 54:12.640 --> 54:14.140 social aspect of that 54:14.140 --> 54:15.700 you end up having to get authentic 54:15.700 --> 54:17.400 and remove that mask 54:17.400 --> 54:18.380 in order to properly 54:18.940 --> 54:19.960 deal with the emotions 54:19.960 --> 54:21.540 that led to that disease 54:22.080 --> 54:23.200 most people don't have 54:23.200 --> 54:24.580 catalysts of that nature 54:24.580 --> 54:25.840 that forces them to do 54:25.840 --> 54:26.640 something of that 54:26.640 --> 54:27.300 you know 54:27.300 --> 54:28.380 so it's the ego death 54:28.380 --> 54:29.720 is it's no joke 54:29.720 --> 54:31.120 but it's a critical 54:32.660 --> 54:33.220 necessity 54:33.220 --> 54:34.800 in order to become liberated 54:34.800 --> 54:37.120 enough to be able to make use of this 54:37.120 --> 54:38.000 place here 54:38.660 --> 54:40.600 outside of the default program 54:41.500 --> 54:42.480 right right 54:42.480 --> 54:44.520 but when you talk about catalysts 54:44.520 --> 54:45.220 that force them 54:45.220 --> 54:46.420 say me getting sick 54:46.420 --> 54:47.900 or people having an accident 54:47.900 --> 54:48.720 or something 54:48.720 --> 54:49.680 you know loss 54:49.680 --> 54:50.520 it's inevitably 54:50.520 --> 54:52.260 it's really hard wired into our 54:53.120 --> 54:54.180 existence here 54:54.880 --> 54:56.840 do you think that that's required 54:57.340 --> 54:57.920 that they 54:57.920 --> 54:59.200 they must like they 54:59.200 --> 55:01.180 and there's probably a difference 55:01.180 --> 55:01.740 between 55:03.540 --> 55:04.120 what's 55:04.780 --> 55:05.680 likely to happen 55:05.680 --> 55:06.500 and 55:07.080 --> 55:08.160 and then you know 55:08.160 --> 55:08.920 what's possible 55:09.470 --> 55:11.020 but do you think that we require 55:11.020 --> 55:13.260 these catalysts to force us 55:13.260 --> 55:14.740 or could could the work be 55:15.260 --> 55:16.140 purely chosen 55:17.480 --> 55:18.640 yeah um 55:18.640 --> 55:20.000 I believe that 55:21.580 --> 55:23.680 you know the reason I'm really 55:24.540 --> 55:26.060 returning to the cost of native 55:26.060 --> 55:27.480 material is I think that it 55:28.030 --> 55:29.360 it offers a way 55:29.360 --> 55:30.440 for anyone 55:31.260 --> 55:32.760 without needing a guru 55:33.560 --> 55:35.380 and eventually the books you 55:35.380 --> 55:36.760 you don't even need the books 55:36.760 --> 55:37.760 once you've read them 55:38.520 --> 55:39.660 and you you've understood 55:39.660 --> 55:41.520 what what was being suggested 55:42.200 --> 55:43.640 so I think the reason Don 55:43.640 --> 55:45.180 Juan had Carlos write books 55:45.180 --> 55:46.220 is because he knew there would 55:46.220 --> 55:47.500 come a time where this knowledge 55:47.500 --> 55:48.220 would be needed 55:48.760 --> 55:50.360 and that people could 55:51.620 --> 55:53.060 access this stuff 55:53.060 --> 55:54.460 and really make use of it 55:54.460 --> 55:55.440 as a means to 55:56.100 --> 55:57.180 you know free themselves 55:57.180 --> 55:58.900 without having to have 55:58.900 --> 56:01.020 some sort of extreme event 56:01.020 --> 56:02.040 that forces us 56:02.040 --> 56:03.140 so I I agree 56:03.140 --> 56:04.500 I think it's very possible 56:05.380 --> 56:06.560 but there's uh 56:08.000 --> 56:10.180 a limiting storyline 56:10.180 --> 56:11.900 that comes in to 56:11.900 --> 56:12.940 in each individual 56:13.580 --> 56:15.440 that will try to challenge that 56:15.440 --> 56:17.220 because the way these predator 56:17.220 --> 56:17.780 energies 56:18.420 --> 56:20.500 do things is they blitz you 56:20.500 --> 56:22.160 with story and fear and 56:22.160 --> 56:22.720 limitation 56:23.260 --> 56:24.540 and so you might start down 56:24.540 --> 56:26.220 the path of working with the 56:26.220 --> 56:27.760 books and starting to open up 56:27.760 --> 56:28.200 and then 56:28.200 --> 56:29.980 it's going to try to bitch slap 56:29.980 --> 56:31.360 you really hard to make sure 56:31.360 --> 56:32.100 you get scared 56:32.100 --> 56:33.180 and quit 56:33.860 --> 56:35.400 pursuing something that could 56:35.400 --> 56:36.260 really work 56:37.960 --> 56:38.860 exactly yeah 56:38.860 --> 56:39.940 I had that direct experience 56:39.940 --> 56:40.500 in Nepal 56:42.860 --> 56:44.440 I love that about 56:44.440 --> 56:46.140 the putting on the lightweight mask 56:46.140 --> 56:46.820 that was something that 56:46.820 --> 56:47.780 Lester Levinson after 56:47.780 --> 56:50.060 he had his awakening experience 56:50.060 --> 56:52.100 he claims to have let go of 56:52.100 --> 56:53.880 all of what is not love 56:54.420 --> 56:54.900 in him 56:54.900 --> 56:56.580 and I didn't know him 56:56.580 --> 56:57.660 personally I didn't meet him 56:57.660 --> 56:59.660 and I don't think he was flawless 56:59.660 --> 57:00.580 because of that 57:00.580 --> 57:02.600 but that's not necessarily 57:02.600 --> 57:03.700 the thing 57:04.300 --> 57:05.840 and and he would say 57:05.840 --> 57:07.080 that people were like 57:07.080 --> 57:08.840 so mystified 57:08.840 --> 57:10.380 and downright terrified in the 57:10.380 --> 57:11.840 in the 1950s right before 57:11.840 --> 57:13.440 there's this now this is almost 57:13.440 --> 57:15.540 a normal subject for us to have 57:15.540 --> 57:16.220 in public care 57:16.220 --> 57:17.360 but at that time 57:17.360 --> 57:19.200 he you know he could just do 57:19.200 --> 57:20.760 things he could just manifest 57:20.760 --> 57:23.020 things he could just this and 57:23.020 --> 57:24.860 that probably talk about 57:24.860 --> 57:26.520 manifesting a bit in a 57:28.110 --> 57:29.060 in a while too 57:29.490 --> 57:31.020 but he would say that 57:31.020 --> 57:32.080 you know after the programming 57:32.080 --> 57:32.620 is gone 57:33.170 --> 57:35.820 then you use the programming 57:35.820 --> 57:37.860 as a way to exactly what you 57:37.860 --> 57:39.140 said to interact 57:40.500 --> 57:42.020 yeah it's amazing 57:42.830 --> 57:44.380 yeah and then everything 57:44.380 --> 57:46.220 becomes fascinating all the time 57:46.220 --> 57:47.840 like you don't mind going 57:47.840 --> 57:49.060 and working a job 57:49.060 --> 57:50.380 that would normally be boring 57:50.380 --> 57:51.540 and draining because 57:51.540 --> 57:53.600 you've become psychedelic 57:53.600 --> 57:55.020 so much that everything 57:55.020 --> 57:55.820 is fascinating 57:55.820 --> 57:56.760 and then those 57:56.760 --> 57:58.440 human to human interactions 57:58.440 --> 57:59.440 teach you 57:59.440 --> 58:00.840 how to become a 58:01.740 --> 58:03.900 more and more sensitive to what 58:03.900 --> 58:05.300 you're interacting with 58:05.300 --> 58:06.900 so they people teach you 58:06.900 --> 58:08.300 how to be like them 58:08.300 --> 58:09.240 they're teaching you 58:09.240 --> 58:10.600 different positions of perception 58:10.600 --> 58:12.240 that you get to borrow from 58:12.920 --> 58:14.180 and try on 58:14.180 --> 58:16.640 and it's like a healthy chameleon 58:16.640 --> 58:18.300 where in the past 58:18.300 --> 58:19.860 I was an unhealthy chameleon 58:19.860 --> 58:20.360 I was just 58:20.840 --> 58:22.000 I was just being absorbed 58:22.000 --> 58:23.940 by their perception of the world 58:23.940 --> 58:24.800 because I was like 58:24.800 --> 58:26.360 very much a follower 58:26.360 --> 58:27.820 as far as like colts 58:27.820 --> 58:28.880 and like wanting to learn 58:28.880 --> 58:29.640 and understand 58:29.640 --> 58:31.940 so people that were powerful 58:31.940 --> 58:34.280 would pull me into their way 58:34.280 --> 58:35.480 of perceiving the world 58:35.480 --> 58:36.780 and I was just like a sponge 58:37.480 --> 58:38.460 but then when I became 58:38.460 --> 58:39.440 my own person 58:39.440 --> 58:41.120 I was able to benefit 58:41.120 --> 58:43.080 from having been a chameleon 58:43.080 --> 58:43.740 in the past 58:43.740 --> 58:45.520 but used that skill set 58:45.520 --> 58:46.920 in a way that healed me 58:46.920 --> 58:48.540 instead of wounded me 58:48.540 --> 58:49.940 so there's all these different 58:49.940 --> 58:51.240 stages to this stuff 58:51.240 --> 58:52.580 but when you truly 58:52.580 --> 58:54.540 move remove your social mask 58:54.540 --> 58:56.120 there's a vulnerable time 58:56.120 --> 58:57.460 there in which you might find 58:57.460 --> 58:58.580 yourself in a colt 58:58.580 --> 59:00.220 because you're looking to somebody 59:00.220 --> 59:02.220 to keep your reality intact 59:02.220 --> 59:03.880 because your reality is not intact 59:04.600 --> 59:06.140 and then you eventually 59:06.140 --> 59:09.260 hopefully can heal from that 59:09.260 --> 59:10.960 but that's all really difficult 59:10.960 --> 59:12.060 tricky terrain 59:12.060 --> 59:14.340 to just realize that hypnosis 59:14.340 --> 59:16.800 is in every situation 59:16.800 --> 59:17.920 across the board 59:17.920 --> 59:18.920 in the truth of world 59:18.920 --> 59:20.820 in the health world 59:20.820 --> 59:23.240 in the shaman world 59:23.240 --> 59:25.100 it's all different versions 59:25.100 --> 59:26.980 of very unhealthy 59:29.580 --> 59:30.960 codependent sort of interactions 59:30.960 --> 59:33.460 with trying to be like somebody else 59:33.460 --> 59:35.220 and then putting them on a pedestal 59:35.220 --> 59:37.340 and so it's very lonely and scary 59:37.340 --> 59:39.560 to spend the proper amount of time alone 59:39.560 --> 59:41.580 in order to reset all that stuff 59:42.120 --> 59:43.040 but if you do 59:43.580 --> 59:45.700 then the universe will gift you 59:45.700 --> 59:47.100 with all these incredible people 59:47.100 --> 59:48.560 on the other side of it 59:48.560 --> 59:50.580 so it's worth having 59:50.580 --> 59:51.520 the healthy boundaries 59:52.000 --> 59:53.580 in which you're really clear 59:53.580 --> 59:54.940 on your yeses and nos 59:55.480 --> 59:56.700 and then eventually the world 59:56.700 --> 59:58.180 will send you all these yeses 59:58.700 --> 59:59.920 but you got to say no 59:59.920 --> 01:00:01.020 quite a bit 01:00:01.020 --> 01:00:02.280 in order to be rewarded 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:03.020 with the yes 01:00:03.020 --> 01:00:03.860 typically 01:00:04.980 --> 01:00:06.220 yeah very nice 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:08.020 I like that phrase 01:00:08.020 --> 01:00:09.160 healthy chameleon 01:00:09.160 --> 01:00:10.420 I could use that in the bank 01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:11.900 when you know 01:00:11.900 --> 01:00:13.000 and I go to institutions 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:14.420 that challenge my 01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:16.000 rebel nature 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.320 and it's my measure 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:19.440 I heard you say that 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:20.820 some of your teachers would 01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:22.020 hire a tyrant 01:00:22.020 --> 01:00:23.100 or they would go and 01:00:23.100 --> 01:00:24.180 work for a tyrant 01:00:24.180 --> 01:00:25.760 to to bring up their stuff 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:27.520 all I have to do is go into 01:00:27.520 --> 01:00:28.480 normal public because 01:00:29.160 --> 01:00:30.760 my life has become 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.760 you know a really beautiful 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:34.460 place of my own making 01:00:35.180 --> 01:00:36.200 and that's fantastic 01:00:36.200 --> 01:00:37.320 we should all have that 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.700 but it's the outside world 01:00:39.700 --> 01:00:40.420 that makes me 01:00:41.180 --> 01:00:42.200 see who I am 01:00:42.200 --> 01:00:45.060 yeah if I can walk into a bank 01:00:45.060 --> 01:00:46.880 and not make anybody feel bad 01:00:47.420 --> 01:00:49.000 or not make a scene 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.640 and not sing out loud 01:00:51.640 --> 01:00:52.740 when I get stressed 01:00:52.740 --> 01:00:53.900 or you know 01:00:53.900 --> 01:00:56.080 like it's just really comical 01:00:56.080 --> 01:00:58.080 my poor son he's seen all the worst 01:00:58.080 --> 01:00:59.200 of that of me 01:01:00.160 --> 01:01:00.720 yeah 01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:03.140 oh man so many good subjects 01:01:03.140 --> 01:01:04.120 to cover 01:01:04.120 --> 01:01:05.460 I wanted to talk about 01:01:06.240 --> 01:01:07.400 parallel lives 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.900 and that you're not as down 01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:10.840 or the Toltecs 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:12.240 don't talk about reincarnation 01:01:12.240 --> 01:01:13.780 so much as parallel lives 01:01:13.780 --> 01:01:15.080 do you want to explain the 01:01:15.080 --> 01:01:16.340 difference between those two 01:01:16.340 --> 01:01:17.020 if there is 01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:19.800 yeah so 01:01:21.640 --> 01:01:23.940 Toltecs end up being able to dream 01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:26.380 really powerful dreams 01:01:26.380 --> 01:01:28.120 in which they control their dreams 01:01:28.120 --> 01:01:29.720 and can go into deeper layers 01:01:30.460 --> 01:01:32.280 what we call dreaming gates 01:01:33.020 --> 01:01:34.600 certain types of control 01:01:34.600 --> 01:01:36.120 leads to being able to go from 01:01:36.120 --> 01:01:37.320 one threshold to another 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:38.560 and eventually 01:01:39.260 --> 01:01:41.000 you can encounter your parallel 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:41.520 live 01:01:41.520 --> 01:01:42.380 or many 01:01:43.380 --> 01:01:45.200 and that's a real boost of energy 01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:46.140 for that to happen 01:01:46.140 --> 01:01:47.920 it can also happen through 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:49.080 scrying in the mirror 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.100 but you want to gain access 01:01:51.100 --> 01:01:52.380 to these other parts of you 01:01:52.380 --> 01:01:53.120 that are out there 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:54.400 and 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:55.740 Sean and say that you go 01:01:55.740 --> 01:01:56.780 backwards through the stream 01:01:56.780 --> 01:01:57.960 of consciousness to that 01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:59.760 which is projecting this avatar 01:02:00.380 --> 01:02:02.400 it's projecting many avatars 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:03.400 and they're all parallel 01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:05.240 they're all happening at the same time 01:02:05.860 --> 01:02:07.140 so when I die 01:02:07.140 --> 01:02:08.260 if I do not 01:02:08.260 --> 01:02:10.040 get to enter into the afterlife 01:02:10.040 --> 01:02:11.580 with my awareness intact 01:02:11.580 --> 01:02:13.000 and I recycle again 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:14.740 I'll probably end up in like 01:02:14.740 --> 01:02:15.720 the 1580 01:02:15.720 --> 01:02:17.100 you know like go back 01:02:17.100 --> 01:02:18.220 into another life 01:02:18.220 --> 01:02:19.540 that was happening 01:02:19.540 --> 01:02:20.460 at a different time 01:02:20.460 --> 01:02:21.820 it's not going to be like 01:02:22.420 --> 01:02:23.980 if I died in 2025 01:02:23.980 --> 01:02:25.880 it's not like I would show up again 01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:26.820 in 2026 01:02:26.820 --> 01:02:28.520 necessarily I could 01:02:29.180 --> 01:02:30.260 and that does happen 01:02:30.260 --> 01:02:31.660 but they're all happening 01:02:31.660 --> 01:02:32.760 at the same time 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:34.980 because this place isn't actually 01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:35.440 linear 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.240 and it's not actually physical 01:02:38.680 --> 01:02:40.880 and it's really hard to find that out 01:02:41.540 --> 01:02:42.760 because it just 01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:44.500 it's like having the carpet 01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:45.640 pulled out from under you 01:02:45.640 --> 01:02:47.360 to realize this is not a physical 01:02:47.860 --> 01:02:49.040 linear experience 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.060 it's so much more magical than that 01:02:52.060 --> 01:02:53.840 but we do want to be able to work 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:54.700 within the linear 01:02:54.700 --> 01:02:55.540 and the physical 01:02:55.540 --> 01:02:57.760 as a means to make use of it 01:02:57.760 --> 01:02:59.820 and not end up schizophrenic 01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:01.820 by trying to stay away from it 01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:04.820 it's a it's a very difficult tightrope 01:03:04.820 --> 01:03:05.600 to walk 01:03:05.600 --> 01:03:07.620 is to be able to access these other worlds 01:03:07.620 --> 01:03:09.560 access your parallel lives 01:03:10.500 --> 01:03:11.960 without like I had a friend 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:13.880 take LSD after being in prison 01:03:14.420 --> 01:03:15.680 and he took a lot 01:03:15.680 --> 01:03:16.800 and all of a sudden 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:18.340 he's got an English accent 01:03:18.340 --> 01:03:19.900 and he's talking about his family 01:03:20.580 --> 01:03:22.020 and he's totally just 01:03:22.020 --> 01:03:23.020 in his parallel being 01:03:23.020 --> 01:03:23.540 and it stayed 01:03:23.540 --> 01:03:24.320 he stayed that way 01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:25.480 for like two and a half days 01:03:26.180 --> 01:03:27.360 and it was fascinating 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.160 but it's super dangerous 01:03:30.160 --> 01:03:32.340 so there are so many things 01:03:32.340 --> 01:03:33.020 that can happen 01:03:33.020 --> 01:03:34.900 and we want to just be realistic 01:03:35.540 --> 01:03:36.480 about this stuff 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:37.600 and realize most people 01:03:37.600 --> 01:03:38.800 that are locked up for 01:03:39.380 --> 01:03:40.580 being mentally ill 01:03:40.580 --> 01:03:41.340 are just having 01:03:42.100 --> 01:03:43.380 things that could be explained 01:03:43.380 --> 01:03:44.760 by shamans really easily 01:03:45.700 --> 01:03:47.740 and so we're in a tricky world 01:03:48.340 --> 01:03:49.660 trying to figure out a way 01:03:49.660 --> 01:03:50.540 to be able to access 01:03:50.540 --> 01:03:51.540 what shamans access 01:03:51.540 --> 01:03:52.960 without you know 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.000 getting locked up for it 01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:57.700 exactly yeah I mean 01:03:57.700 --> 01:03:58.880 it's not hard to 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:00.220 hard to define that as crazy 01:04:00.780 --> 01:04:01.080 right 01:04:01.080 --> 01:04:02.640 and and there is a certain 01:04:02.640 --> 01:04:03.760 crazy in it 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:04.840 that you know it 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:06.900 again back to the razor's edge 01:04:06.900 --> 01:04:07.560 of it 01:04:08.300 --> 01:04:10.420 the also the image of 01:04:10.420 --> 01:04:11.320 the the 01:04:11.820 --> 01:04:12.900 Indian god Hanuman 01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:15.120 is straddling the worlds 01:04:15.120 --> 01:04:16.120 right that he's 01:04:16.120 --> 01:04:17.400 symbolic of the splits 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:18.220 like how 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:21.400 extended could you be 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:22.900 and you say that it's a 01:04:22.900 --> 01:04:24.440 it's a blessing to discover 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.040 other parallel versions 01:04:27.040 --> 01:04:27.800 of yourself 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:29.160 yeah if you're 01:04:29.160 --> 01:04:29.820 if you're ready 01:04:29.820 --> 01:04:30.700 it would be 01:04:30.700 --> 01:04:31.820 it would be cause 01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:32.860 total confusion 01:04:32.860 --> 01:04:34.420 to have happened 01:04:34.420 --> 01:04:35.640 if you weren't on a path 01:04:35.640 --> 01:04:36.140 of knowledge 01:04:36.140 --> 01:04:36.860 in which you were 01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:38.080 energetically trained 01:04:38.520 --> 01:04:39.300 and prepared 01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:41.320 to encounter these things 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.080 so you don't 01:04:43.080 --> 01:04:44.300 Toltec say that 01:04:44.300 --> 01:04:45.200 if a man 01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:46.080 or a woman were 01:04:46.080 --> 01:04:47.780 to learn to see energy 01:04:47.780 --> 01:04:49.340 without becoming a warrior 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:50.280 first 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:51.920 they would become meek 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:53.240 in the face of the unknown 01:04:54.500 --> 01:04:55.920 and I saw that happen 01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:56.760 with a friend of mine 01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:57.940 he wasn't strong enough 01:04:58.520 --> 01:04:59.740 to be doing 01:04:59.740 --> 01:05:00.680 the type of dreaming 01:05:00.680 --> 01:05:01.520 he was doing 01:05:02.040 --> 01:05:03.260 he hadn't built up his 01:05:03.260 --> 01:05:04.520 physical body 01:05:04.520 --> 01:05:05.160 strong enough 01:05:05.160 --> 01:05:05.840 he didn't 01:05:06.460 --> 01:05:07.920 just have the oomph 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:09.220 that it takes as a man 01:05:09.220 --> 01:05:10.400 to be able to do this work 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:11.580 women it's a totally 01:05:11.580 --> 01:05:12.840 different type of energy 01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:13.560 that they need 01:05:13.560 --> 01:05:14.860 in order to handle this work 01:05:14.860 --> 01:05:16.240 women are more likely 01:05:16.240 --> 01:05:16.800 to go about 01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:17.500 shit crazy 01:05:17.500 --> 01:05:18.640 in this work than men 01:05:18.640 --> 01:05:20.620 women are so powerful 01:05:20.620 --> 01:05:21.840 their perception 01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:23.060 can go so far 01:05:23.060 --> 01:05:23.780 so quick 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:24.780 right 01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:26.120 so men are more likely 01:05:26.120 --> 01:05:26.920 to become 01:05:27.640 --> 01:05:28.240 delusional 01:05:28.240 --> 01:05:29.400 around grandeur 01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:30.300 and create a cult 01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:31.380 and women are more likely 01:05:31.380 --> 01:05:31.920 to go 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:33.120 into their witch 01:05:33.120 --> 01:05:34.480 so far that they 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:35.120 you know 01:05:35.120 --> 01:05:36.260 lose sense of reality 01:05:36.260 --> 01:05:37.920 and they become dysfunctional 01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:39.020 and rely on a man 01:05:39.020 --> 01:05:39.660 to help them 01:05:39.660 --> 01:05:40.300 because of it 01:05:40.300 --> 01:05:40.660 so 01:05:41.180 --> 01:05:43.100 it's a very difficult thing 01:05:43.100 --> 01:05:44.540 to balance the intermarriage 01:05:44.540 --> 01:05:45.200 of the masculine 01:05:45.200 --> 01:05:45.900 and the feminine 01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:46.800 as an individual 01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:48.940 and also show up 01:05:48.940 --> 01:05:49.580 in a relationship 01:05:49.580 --> 01:05:51.520 that can be potentially healing 01:05:52.100 --> 01:05:53.020 for for being 01:05:53.020 --> 01:05:53.780 able to be vulnerable 01:05:53.780 --> 01:05:54.920 enough to get to know 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:55.600 those parts 01:05:56.100 --> 01:05:57.280 so that's where a lot of work 01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:57.940 is I think 01:05:57.940 --> 01:05:58.880 going to need to go 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:00.360 is into the relationship world 01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:01.680 instead of the shamanic 01:06:02.220 --> 01:06:02.840 because that's where 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:03.500 the shadow work 01:06:03.500 --> 01:06:04.360 is more prevalent 01:06:05.100 --> 01:06:05.820 and that's why 01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:07.260 shamans avoid relationships 01:06:07.260 --> 01:06:07.960 is because 01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:09.440 it's so difficult 01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:11.320 and so 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:11.980 but that's 01:06:11.980 --> 01:06:13.040 what my elder said 01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:13.680 is that there's 01:06:13.680 --> 01:06:14.260 two tribes 01:06:14.260 --> 01:06:15.500 the tribe of man 01:06:15.500 --> 01:06:16.480 and the tribe of woman 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:17.780 if those two tribes 01:06:17.780 --> 01:06:18.880 could learn to work together 01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:20.040 then we could 01:06:20.560 --> 01:06:22.000 actually do incredible things 01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:22.820 with this place 01:06:23.430 --> 01:06:24.200 but right now 01:06:24.200 --> 01:06:26.140 we're just easily controllable 01:06:26.140 --> 01:06:26.860 and manipulated 01:06:26.860 --> 01:06:28.100 because of the divisions 01:06:28.830 --> 01:06:29.320 that are 01:06:30.070 --> 01:06:32.420 so easily manipulated 01:06:32.420 --> 01:06:33.120 but yeah 01:06:33.120 --> 01:06:33.620 it's a 01:06:33.620 --> 01:06:34.260 it's a whole 01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:35.840 subject in itself 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:36.960 is just to go into 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:38.680 all the different ways 01:06:38.680 --> 01:06:39.800 in which we could get really 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:40.640 honest about 01:06:41.490 --> 01:06:42.680 the dangers of 01:06:42.680 --> 01:06:44.040 of parallel lives 01:06:44.040 --> 01:06:45.700 the dangers of psychedelics 01:06:45.700 --> 01:06:47.240 the dangers of 01:06:47.240 --> 01:06:48.740 cults and shamans 01:06:48.740 --> 01:06:50.820 there's plenty of powerful shamans 01:06:50.820 --> 01:06:51.600 you don't want to just go 01:06:51.600 --> 01:06:53.140 looking for random shamans 01:06:53.140 --> 01:06:54.400 so there's so many people that'll 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:55.300 misuse 01:06:55.300 --> 01:06:56.520 misuse their power 01:06:58.040 --> 01:06:58.580 and 01:06:58.580 --> 01:07:00.500 but the parallel life thing is real 01:07:00.500 --> 01:07:02.180 and it's important to be able 01:07:02.180 --> 01:07:03.300 to just understand 01:07:03.300 --> 01:07:05.340 that you don't get another shot 01:07:05.340 --> 01:07:05.780 at this 01:07:05.780 --> 01:07:07.840 you want to treat this life as the one 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:08.280 because 01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:09.960 they're all strung together 01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:11.380 so if you can liberate 01:07:11.380 --> 01:07:11.980 your life 01:07:11.980 --> 01:07:12.760 this time 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:14.940 all your parallel lives will benefit 01:07:15.600 --> 01:07:16.980 it's all connected 01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:18.680 and so we're all one 01:07:19.300 --> 01:07:19.940 and therefore 01:07:19.940 --> 01:07:21.660 the 100th monkey thing is real 01:07:21.660 --> 01:07:23.880 therefore the only work there is to do 01:07:24.740 --> 01:07:26.840 is quit trying to save people 01:07:27.560 --> 01:07:28.600 quit trying to stop 01:07:28.600 --> 01:07:30.300 or change what's going on 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.140 you know at the bank 01:07:32.940 --> 01:07:33.880 stop being offended 01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:36.100 at the way this place functions 01:07:36.100 --> 01:07:37.260 and then you'll be 01:07:37.820 --> 01:07:38.700 going inward 01:07:38.700 --> 01:07:40.140 and become a powerful 01:07:41.060 --> 01:07:41.620 battery 01:07:41.620 --> 01:07:42.860 you'll become a lighthouse 01:07:43.520 --> 01:07:44.620 and more and more people 01:07:44.620 --> 01:07:46.280 than be able to do the same 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:47.640 because you gave them permission 01:07:47.640 --> 01:07:48.940 through modeling it 01:07:51.100 --> 01:07:52.540 oh my goodness 01:07:52.540 --> 01:07:54.400 so many things in there 01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.120 the very last point 01:07:56.120 --> 01:07:57.000 about being offended 01:07:57.500 --> 01:07:59.420 that's like priceless 01:07:59.420 --> 01:08:00.840 absolutely priceless 01:08:01.420 --> 01:08:02.360 the the level 01:08:03.100 --> 01:08:03.860 there's so many things 01:08:03.860 --> 01:08:05.160 I was just kind of taking inventory 01:08:05.160 --> 01:08:06.600 giving myself a pat on the back 01:08:06.600 --> 01:08:08.120 about things I'm not offended by 01:08:08.120 --> 01:08:08.540 anymore 01:08:09.220 --> 01:08:10.240 and you know 01:08:10.240 --> 01:08:12.200 it's it's a miraculous freedom 01:08:12.200 --> 01:08:13.700 in that 01:08:13.700 --> 01:08:15.560 that that people can do this 01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:16.400 and they can do that 01:08:16.400 --> 01:08:17.680 and they can say these things 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:18.780 and and then you go 01:08:18.780 --> 01:08:20.440 then there's that little dig right 01:08:20.440 --> 01:08:21.620 I thought I had healed from an 01:08:21.620 --> 01:08:22.540 experience of 01:08:23.540 --> 01:08:24.500 of loss 01:08:24.500 --> 01:08:25.880 and getting taken advantage of 01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:27.360 and lied to and stuff like that 01:08:27.360 --> 01:08:29.440 and I really cleaned up big time 01:08:29.440 --> 01:08:29.840 on that 01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:31.300 I felt so free until 01:08:31.300 --> 01:08:32.820 there was this like 01:08:32.820 --> 01:08:33.880 next iteration 01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:35.860 and you know I saw this thing 01:08:35.860 --> 01:08:37.120 and they're probably using my money 01:08:37.120 --> 01:08:37.880 to do it 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:39.240 and there's like 01:08:39.240 --> 01:08:41.140 and then oh new level of little 01:08:41.140 --> 01:08:41.560 you know 01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:43.340 grind on the offended part 01:08:43.340 --> 01:08:43.820 so 01:08:44.980 --> 01:08:45.540 it's 01:08:46.120 --> 01:08:46.820 yeah yeah 01:08:46.820 --> 01:08:47.900 so come a long way 01:08:47.900 --> 01:08:48.980 lots of work to do 01:08:50.380 --> 01:08:50.940 the 01:08:50.940 --> 01:08:51.720 you talked about 01:08:52.280 --> 01:08:53.640 the the cults 01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:54.960 the misuse of power 01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:57.880 can you want to go deeper into 01:08:57.880 --> 01:08:58.160 that 01:08:58.160 --> 01:08:59.500 and then maybe how it even 01:08:59.500 --> 01:09:00.580 intersects with the 01:09:00.580 --> 01:09:01.700 the psychedelia 01:09:01.700 --> 01:09:03.060 that I know is not 01:09:03.060 --> 01:09:04.640 necessarily drug dependent 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:05.900 I love that you're not 01:09:05.900 --> 01:09:07.240 pushing that 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:08.540 on people 01:09:08.540 --> 01:09:09.920 right that it's a thing so 01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:11.480 you know where you want to 01:09:11.480 --> 01:09:12.240 yeah totally 01:09:12.240 --> 01:09:14.580 I mean everything's a cult 01:09:14.580 --> 01:09:15.200 you know 01:09:15.200 --> 01:09:16.780 and and there's different versions 01:09:16.780 --> 01:09:17.620 of cults 01:09:17.620 --> 01:09:18.280 right so 01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:19.120 it 01:09:19.740 --> 01:09:21.440 it's a matter of just realizing 01:09:21.440 --> 01:09:22.060 that 01:09:22.060 --> 01:09:22.720 and then 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:25.380 being okay like I knew I was in 01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:26.120 these cults 01:09:26.660 --> 01:09:27.960 but I was there for a reason 01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:29.240 I was guided to go in there 01:09:29.240 --> 01:09:30.020 and learn from 01:09:30.020 --> 01:09:32.040 these people on like how not 01:09:32.040 --> 01:09:32.560 to be 01:09:33.120 --> 01:09:34.060 and I also 01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:35.660 but I also got to be in the 01:09:35.660 --> 01:09:36.760 presence of people who were 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:37.740 extremely altered 01:09:38.540 --> 01:09:40.360 and that rubbed off and I 01:09:40.360 --> 01:09:41.400 learned how to be altered 01:09:41.400 --> 01:09:42.980 to all the time 01:09:42.980 --> 01:09:43.740 which is 01:09:43.740 --> 01:09:45.400 there's an advantage to that 01:09:45.400 --> 01:09:46.440 learning how to be in height 01:09:46.440 --> 01:09:46.940 and awareness 01:09:47.460 --> 01:09:49.040 so I don't mind learning from 01:09:49.040 --> 01:09:49.500 people 01:09:50.580 --> 01:09:52.820 even ones that I know are 01:09:52.820 --> 01:09:54.180 not being honest with 01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:55.100 themselves and others 01:09:55.100 --> 01:09:57.160 because I get shown that 01:09:57.900 --> 01:09:59.520 I need to be in their 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:01.080 presence for a period of time 01:10:02.300 --> 01:10:03.820 and so but I'm not 01:10:03.820 --> 01:10:05.260 recommending people try to 01:10:05.260 --> 01:10:06.060 do what I did 01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:07.840 you kind of have to be 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:09.400 innocent and ignorant enough 01:10:09.400 --> 01:10:10.760 to be in there in the first 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:12.160 place mixed with some 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:13.400 guidance 01:10:13.400 --> 01:10:15.260 so I can't go recreate that 01:10:15.260 --> 01:10:16.580 same thing anymore 01:10:16.580 --> 01:10:17.980 because I know better but 01:10:18.900 --> 01:10:20.720 I'm able to expose 01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:22.500 people now 01:10:23.300 --> 01:10:24.760 right I can see through their 01:10:25.320 --> 01:10:25.660 story 01:10:25.660 --> 01:10:27.000 and I can see what's 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:28.040 energetically occurring 01:10:28.040 --> 01:10:29.540 in their relationship 01:10:29.540 --> 01:10:31.040 so I'm a threat to their 01:10:31.040 --> 01:10:32.200 their secret 01:10:33.100 --> 01:10:34.760 and so I 01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:36.360 that's a difficult position 01:10:36.360 --> 01:10:37.020 to be in 01:10:37.590 --> 01:10:38.840 just my mirror 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:40.100 the fact that I'm a mirror 01:10:40.100 --> 01:10:41.840 they see me 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:42.800 seeing them 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:43.560 and they don't want 01:10:44.030 --> 01:10:44.840 that reflection 01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:47.600 so I'm pretty strategic 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:48.960 and careful about the kind 01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:50.560 of places and people 01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:51.970 I introduce myself to 01:10:53.440 --> 01:10:54.600 Colts are just 01:10:55.130 --> 01:10:56.740 it's just an energetic fact 01:10:56.740 --> 01:10:58.720 that every group 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:00.200 once it gets to a large 01:11:00.200 --> 01:11:00.920 enough size 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:02.640 something shows up 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:04.940 to cause a lot of havoc 01:11:04.940 --> 01:11:06.420 in all kinds of ways 01:11:06.420 --> 01:11:07.760 and no one is 01:11:08.540 --> 01:11:09.520 everyone is vulnerable 01:11:10.260 --> 01:11:12.060 and so it's something to 01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:12.920 really think about 01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:14.060 and they talk about it in 01:11:14.060 --> 01:11:15.420 reality Transurfing 01:11:15.420 --> 01:11:16.740 they call them pendulums 01:11:18.280 --> 01:11:20.080 it's because human mass 01:11:20.080 --> 01:11:21.440 is such a powerful thing 01:11:21.440 --> 01:11:22.400 that if 01:11:23.100 --> 01:11:24.540 enough people could get 01:11:24.540 --> 01:11:25.440 together and be 01:11:25.440 --> 01:11:27.040 synchronized and focused 01:11:27.040 --> 01:11:28.780 on one thing at a time 01:11:28.780 --> 01:11:31.320 incredible potential exist 01:11:31.320 --> 01:11:31.680 there 01:11:32.360 --> 01:11:34.120 but instead that happens at 01:11:34.120 --> 01:11:34.940 football games 01:11:34.940 --> 01:11:35.340 and 01:11:35.340 --> 01:11:36.400 rock concerts 01:11:36.400 --> 01:11:37.220 and all that energy 01:11:37.220 --> 01:11:38.500 gets given to the idol 01:11:39.240 --> 01:11:40.360 instead of being distributed 01:11:40.360 --> 01:11:41.280 to everyone 01:11:41.280 --> 01:11:41.940 in this 01:11:41.940 --> 01:11:43.220 in the way that it would 01:11:43.220 --> 01:11:44.400 ideally be done 01:11:44.820 --> 01:11:45.680 and then there's all these 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:46.760 energies that show up 01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:48.100 and feed off of everybody 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:50.000 that are not human 01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:51.480 and it all gets 01:11:52.180 --> 01:11:53.660 it just we just keep being 01:11:53.660 --> 01:11:54.100 harvested 01:11:54.100 --> 01:11:55.600 in ways that are really 01:11:56.340 --> 01:11:56.860 thorough 01:11:57.540 --> 01:11:58.820 and so this is 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:01.040 no matter what we do 01:12:01.040 --> 01:12:01.520 there's a 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:02.160 there is a 01:12:02.160 --> 01:12:04.700 an energetic response 01:12:04.700 --> 01:12:06.340 by these non-human forces 01:12:06.340 --> 01:12:07.460 that are trying to make sure 01:12:07.460 --> 01:12:08.480 that we remain 01:12:09.400 --> 01:12:10.920 in the slaughterhouse 01:12:11.400 --> 01:12:12.680 being fed off slowly 01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:14.160 instead of realizing 01:12:14.160 --> 01:12:15.840 how powerful we are 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:16.800 and if we could get enough 01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:17.520 people together 01:12:18.120 --> 01:12:19.520 to offset that 01:12:20.360 --> 01:12:20.920 hypnosis 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:22.520 it would have such a big boost 01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:24.220 and so as those groups 01:12:24.220 --> 01:12:25.340 start to get big enough 01:12:25.340 --> 01:12:26.180 and strong enough 01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:28.300 they send in something 01:12:28.300 --> 01:12:29.460 to destroy it 01:12:29.460 --> 01:12:30.600 and it usually works 01:12:31.100 --> 01:12:32.620 I think the Mayans were able 01:12:32.620 --> 01:12:34.260 to walk right out of this world 01:12:34.260 --> 01:12:35.540 and go into another layer 01:12:35.540 --> 01:12:36.080 of the onion 01:12:36.080 --> 01:12:36.940 and stay there 01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:38.860 and I think that's something 01:12:38.860 --> 01:12:40.160 we should learn how to do 01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:43.360 because we might not be able 01:12:43.360 --> 01:12:45.880 to to really stand our ground 01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:46.320 here 01:12:46.320 --> 01:12:47.980 because it's such a 01:12:47.980 --> 01:12:49.140 it's so difficult 01:12:50.120 --> 01:12:52.020 they've thought of everything almost 01:12:55.020 --> 01:12:58.200 and so walking out of this realm 01:12:59.780 --> 01:13:00.900 what would be 01:13:01.820 --> 01:13:02.700 so right away 01:13:02.700 --> 01:13:04.300 and this isn't to challenge you 01:13:04.300 --> 01:13:05.180 I'm just and it's probably 01:13:05.180 --> 01:13:05.980 going to be a word thing 01:13:05.980 --> 01:13:08.140 but so one of the 01:13:08.140 --> 01:13:08.920 psyops 01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:10.440 about this realm 01:13:10.440 --> 01:13:12.300 is that we need to escape this realm 01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:16.780 and so how can you do that 01:13:16.780 --> 01:13:17.240 differently 01:13:17.240 --> 01:13:17.760 is it just 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:18.740 is it just matter 01:13:18.740 --> 01:13:19.780 a matter of motive 01:13:19.780 --> 01:13:20.540 that 01:13:21.420 --> 01:13:23.360 learning to walk out of this realm 01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:25.180 rather from fear 01:13:25.180 --> 01:13:26.720 but out of love 01:13:27.410 --> 01:13:27.860 is that 01:13:28.430 --> 01:13:30.140 yeah it's just going into a deeper 01:13:30.140 --> 01:13:31.120 layer of the mother 01:13:31.120 --> 01:13:32.560 it's not escapism 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:35.260 it's just like this really beautiful 01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:39.120 reclaiming of what we are 01:13:39.120 --> 01:13:39.920 we're travelers 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:41.160 we're not meant to remain 01:13:41.160 --> 01:13:42.100 in one vision 01:13:42.100 --> 01:13:44.520 you and I are having 01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.160 a collective vision right now 01:13:46.820 --> 01:13:48.560 but we've taken it for granted 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:50.100 and we think this is the only 01:13:50.700 --> 01:13:51.760 functioning vision 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:53.280 but it's just one of many 01:13:54.220 --> 01:13:56.060 and the only way to go 01:13:56.060 --> 01:13:57.120 into those other visions 01:13:57.120 --> 01:13:59.160 is to save enough dreaming energy 01:13:59.900 --> 01:14:01.160 and ideally done 01:14:01.160 --> 01:14:02.660 with a large enough group 01:14:02.660 --> 01:14:04.720 that you can go all together 01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:06.060 and visit these places 01:14:06.060 --> 01:14:06.800 come back 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:07.760 visit some more 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:08.220 and eventually 01:14:08.220 --> 01:14:09.640 you could create a home 01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:10.180 over there 01:14:10.180 --> 01:14:11.060 in these other places 01:14:11.060 --> 01:14:12.720 and go be there 01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:13.980 and it's really beautiful 01:14:14.540 --> 01:14:15.080 it's not 01:14:16.260 --> 01:14:18.120 it's not trying to get out of here 01:14:18.120 --> 01:14:19.340 this isn't a soul trap 01:14:19.340 --> 01:14:20.360 this is just a 01:14:21.240 --> 01:14:22.640 an obstacle course 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:23.680 that's designed for 01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:24.880 evolutionary awareness 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:26.800 and people that are trying to escape 01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:27.940 are missing the point 01:14:27.940 --> 01:14:29.360 this is the training ground 01:14:29.360 --> 01:14:30.700 this is where your soul 01:14:31.280 --> 01:14:32.700 is meant to be 01:14:32.700 --> 01:14:35.180 as a means to develop itself 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.500 and it's a platform 01:14:37.500 --> 01:14:39.140 in which like a launch pad 01:14:39.140 --> 01:14:40.900 in which you could blast off 01:14:40.900 --> 01:14:42.320 into other worlds from here 01:14:42.320 --> 01:14:44.000 so why would you want to escape 01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:44.860 a launch pad 01:14:44.860 --> 01:14:45.680 that could take you 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:47.160 into all these magical places 01:14:48.080 --> 01:14:49.060 that's ridiculous 01:14:49.740 --> 01:14:50.260 and yet 01:14:50.260 --> 01:14:51.760 that's how we're designed 01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:53.560 is to like complain 01:14:54.200 --> 01:14:56.200 you know to be at odds with things 01:14:56.200 --> 01:14:59.620 to turn it into a doom and gloom scenario 01:14:59.620 --> 01:15:00.880 it's not really 01:15:02.440 --> 01:15:03.640 yeah that's the harm 01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:04.920 in a way of Gnosticism 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:06.500 or at least how I understand it 01:15:06.500 --> 01:15:07.620 that it's 01:15:07.620 --> 01:15:08.760 they've set us up 01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:10.260 we're trapped in this realm 01:15:10.260 --> 01:15:11.500 and we got the Archons 01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:12.560 controlling us 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:13.620 and we have to 01:15:13.620 --> 01:15:15.260 somehow not 01:15:15.260 --> 01:15:16.620 come back to earth 01:15:16.620 --> 01:15:17.980 don't don't go in the light 01:15:17.980 --> 01:15:18.540 they're saying 01:15:18.540 --> 01:15:19.540 don't go in the light 01:15:19.540 --> 01:15:20.840 and you die 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:22.400 and stuff like that 01:15:22.400 --> 01:15:22.980 so yeah 01:15:22.980 --> 01:15:24.520 I like how there's 01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:25.980 you know there's a certain amount 01:15:25.980 --> 01:15:27.020 of truth in there 01:15:27.020 --> 01:15:28.620 but what you're saying is 01:15:28.620 --> 01:15:30.220 is I think much more 01:15:31.620 --> 01:15:33.420 closer to reality 01:15:34.080 --> 01:15:35.440 I also heard you say 01:15:35.440 --> 01:15:36.480 the word focus 01:15:36.480 --> 01:15:38.560 and in one of your interviews 01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:40.540 I heard you say 01:15:40.540 --> 01:15:41.500 that focus 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:43.560 is better than meditation 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:45.100 do you want to talk about that 01:15:45.100 --> 01:15:46.640 and I have to turn some lights on 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:47.600 because it's getting dark here 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.560 so forgive me for just a minute 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:51.480 and you can talk 01:15:51.480 --> 01:15:52.800 and I'm right here 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:53.660 but I'll be right back 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:55.940 yeah yeah one of my 01:15:55.940 --> 01:15:56.260 elder 01:15:56.820 --> 01:15:58.060 would also say that 01:15:58.060 --> 01:15:59.520 instead of meditate focus 01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:00.180 because 01:16:00.860 --> 01:16:02.480 meditation is sort of this 01:16:03.480 --> 01:16:05.440 like expecting there to just be 01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:06.080 this nothing 01:16:06.080 --> 01:16:07.760 or to just like kind of open 01:16:08.260 --> 01:16:09.640 but if you were to follow a 01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:11.220 feeling that you really enjoyed 01:16:11.220 --> 01:16:12.200 that was abstract 01:16:12.200 --> 01:16:13.780 and stay focused on it 01:16:13.780 --> 01:16:15.900 that would be an even more 01:16:15.900 --> 01:16:16.900 profound breakthrough 01:16:17.660 --> 01:16:19.100 so it's just like 01:16:20.140 --> 01:16:21.640 engaging in a 01:16:22.820 --> 01:16:24.620 very directed way 01:16:24.620 --> 01:16:26.360 with the feelings 01:16:26.360 --> 01:16:27.660 that you want to stay with 01:16:27.660 --> 01:16:29.300 and so when I'm recapitulating 01:16:29.300 --> 01:16:31.120 and I'm back in these like 01:16:31.120 --> 01:16:32.580 really beautiful memories 01:16:34.180 --> 01:16:36.000 it's healing just to be 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:36.820 in that memory 01:16:36.820 --> 01:16:39.380 because it was so magical for me 01:16:39.980 --> 01:16:42.360 but there's this default 01:16:42.360 --> 01:16:43.560 autopilot program 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:45.100 that tries to pull me out 01:16:45.100 --> 01:16:46.580 and go pick up my phone 01:16:46.580 --> 01:16:47.780 or go do something 01:16:47.780 --> 01:16:49.100 other than what I was just 01:16:49.100 --> 01:16:49.900 experiencing 01:16:50.620 --> 01:16:52.180 because it doesn't want me to 01:16:52.180 --> 01:16:53.780 stay there and truly gain 01:16:53.780 --> 01:16:55.840 the benefit of the secret 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:58.760 of just focused 01:16:58.760 --> 01:16:59.700 stay focused 01:16:59.700 --> 01:17:00.900 stay on point 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:04.640 don't exit that incredible moment 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:05.640 you don't have to 01:17:06.540 --> 01:17:07.220 but we 01:17:07.220 --> 01:17:09.800 pretend to just not 01:17:11.080 --> 01:17:13.680 be able to develop that 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:15.240 staying power 01:17:16.040 --> 01:17:17.320 but if you can reclaim 01:17:17.320 --> 01:17:18.020 your attention 01:17:18.020 --> 01:17:19.520 then you'll be able to focus 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:20.980 the reason we teach 01:17:20.980 --> 01:17:22.100 the shamanic movements 01:17:22.100 --> 01:17:23.660 is they do something 01:17:23.660 --> 01:17:24.840 very strange 01:17:25.360 --> 01:17:26.440 that makes it possible 01:17:26.440 --> 01:17:27.840 to focus in a way 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:28.780 that you couldn't before 01:17:29.380 --> 01:17:30.600 and then you can properly 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:31.520 recapitulate 01:17:32.220 --> 01:17:33.960 and actually get some work done 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:34.960 in your past 01:17:35.740 --> 01:17:37.000 and I don't mean dwell 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:37.780 in your past 01:17:37.780 --> 01:17:39.960 you don't want to hang out 01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:41.400 you don't want to 01:17:41.400 --> 01:17:42.940 miss out on the present moment 01:17:42.940 --> 01:17:45.100 this is constantly psychedelic 01:17:45.100 --> 01:17:46.900 so it's this time 01:17:46.900 --> 01:17:48.400 that you spend throughout your day 01:17:48.900 --> 01:17:50.100 week month or whatever 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:52.260 where you're picking up the 01:17:52.260 --> 01:17:52.920 luminosity 01:17:53.740 --> 01:17:54.620 that you left 01:17:55.440 --> 01:17:58.260 in these experiences of the past 01:17:58.260 --> 01:17:59.860 and instead of going into the past 01:17:59.860 --> 01:18:01.100 you actually bring the past 01:18:01.860 --> 01:18:02.680 to the present 01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:04.000 so you're still feeling 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:05.180 your present experience 01:18:05.180 --> 01:18:06.700 but you've brought forward 01:18:06.700 --> 01:18:07.440 this feeling 01:18:07.440 --> 01:18:09.140 and you're revisiting it 01:18:09.140 --> 01:18:10.320 and you're claiming 01:18:10.320 --> 01:18:11.860 you're picking up the 01:18:11.860 --> 01:18:13.140 luminosity that you left 01:18:13.140 --> 01:18:13.860 in that moment 01:18:13.860 --> 01:18:15.020 and you're exhaling 01:18:15.020 --> 01:18:16.340 anything that wasn't yours 01:18:16.900 --> 01:18:18.740 and it's just a way of cleaning your temple 01:18:18.740 --> 01:18:19.940 your energetic temple 01:18:20.580 --> 01:18:21.640 and it really works 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:23.300 once you get the breakthrough 01:18:23.300 --> 01:18:24.780 but it doesn't work 01:18:24.780 --> 01:18:26.460 to try to recapitulate 01:18:26.460 --> 01:18:28.680 unless you have very strong focus 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:30.540 and so you might get frustrated 01:18:31.060 --> 01:18:32.360 that's why I try to get people 01:18:32.360 --> 01:18:33.320 just do the movements 01:18:33.320 --> 01:18:34.900 don't even try to recapitulate 01:18:35.420 --> 01:18:36.880 let the movements eventually 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:37.880 get you into that 01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:39.740 because a moving meditation 01:18:39.740 --> 01:18:41.220 is so much easier 01:18:41.220 --> 01:18:42.540 than trying to just meditate 01:18:42.540 --> 01:18:43.860 without moving your body 01:18:44.480 --> 01:18:45.760 but if you're constantly like 01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:46.740 in this 01:18:46.740 --> 01:18:47.780 where your hands are moving 01:18:47.780 --> 01:18:49.880 and you're redirecting energy 01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:51.360 and you're engaging 01:18:51.360 --> 01:18:53.120 in these very strange behaviors 01:18:53.120 --> 01:18:55.720 that break up the stagnant energy 01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:56.540 of your field 01:18:56.540 --> 01:18:58.520 then you lend them to your organs 01:18:59.040 --> 01:18:59.940 and then your organs 01:18:59.940 --> 01:19:01.220 have secondary functions 01:19:01.820 --> 01:19:03.760 and they start to become online 01:19:04.320 --> 01:19:05.900 and that's how you heal the electricity 01:19:05.900 --> 01:19:07.100 the way I teach it 01:19:07.100 --> 01:19:08.660 is just doing the movements 01:19:08.660 --> 01:19:09.360 over and over 01:19:09.360 --> 01:19:11.000 until you have the breakthroughs 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:12.680 and then eventually your body 01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:14.460 will be able to focus 01:19:14.460 --> 01:19:16.620 and you can go much deeper on your path 01:19:17.440 --> 01:19:18.460 very nice 01:19:19.120 --> 01:19:20.760 yeah so the meditation 01:19:21.280 --> 01:19:23.860 I meditated for a lot of years 01:19:23.860 --> 01:19:25.380 and really seriously 01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:28.420 I was very very diligent at it 01:19:28.420 --> 01:19:29.920 but I had a wrong paradigm 01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:30.940 because I ended up sick 01:19:30.940 --> 01:19:32.640 with a stage 4 lymphoma doing it 01:19:33.420 --> 01:19:35.660 and I think that comes back 01:19:35.660 --> 01:19:37.900 to that desire to escape 01:19:37.900 --> 01:19:38.960 using the meditation 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:40.160 as a way to escape 01:19:40.160 --> 01:19:42.320 rather than to focus 01:19:42.320 --> 01:19:43.660 and go deeper 01:19:44.500 --> 01:19:46.040 within some of it 01:19:46.040 --> 01:19:46.780 a lot of people 01:19:46.780 --> 01:19:48.620 that are on spiritual paths 01:19:48.620 --> 01:19:50.140 where the focus is ascending 01:19:50.860 --> 01:19:52.060 they start to die 01:19:52.060 --> 01:19:52.940 right 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:55.620 right we're meant to be here 01:19:55.620 --> 01:19:56.800 we're meant to go actually 01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:57.780 into the earth 01:19:58.380 --> 01:19:59.860 and learn to anchor to her 01:19:59.860 --> 01:20:00.860 and be like a tree 01:20:00.860 --> 01:20:02.100 that's totally connected 01:20:02.860 --> 01:20:03.980 we're meant to experience 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:06.220 you know the dissension 01:20:06.780 --> 01:20:07.460 into that 01:20:07.460 --> 01:20:08.880 those deep areas 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:10.760 that are typically avoided 01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:12.020 that's why all these 01:20:12.020 --> 01:20:12.840 celibate people 01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:14.240 that are avoiding their shadows 01:20:14.240 --> 01:20:15.740 stuff because they're just pretending 01:20:15.740 --> 01:20:17.320 that they're past that 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:19.120 it doesn't work that way 01:20:19.120 --> 01:20:21.300 that you're repressing energy 01:20:21.300 --> 01:20:22.680 that needs to be understood 01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:23.460 and worked with 01:20:23.460 --> 01:20:24.440 there's material there 01:20:25.280 --> 01:20:26.900 it's messy business 01:20:26.900 --> 01:20:28.220 being a human 01:20:28.220 --> 01:20:29.740 but we can't skip the mess 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:32.480 yeah as it turns out 01:20:32.480 --> 01:20:33.360 we can't skip the mess 01:20:33.360 --> 01:20:34.620 I like there's another good sound bite 01:20:35.460 --> 01:20:36.720 bring on the mess 01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:37.680 yeah 01:20:39.700 --> 01:20:41.920 so let's see where we're at 01:20:44.240 --> 01:20:46.520 what would you say is the difference between 01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:48.700 if any a dream and a vision 01:20:51.540 --> 01:20:52.820 yeah I mean 01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:54.840 I think they're very 01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:57.960 hard to differentiate 01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:00.140 I think more a vision is like 01:21:00.140 --> 01:21:01.560 the reason people vision quest 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:03.600 is to be given shown 01:21:04.280 --> 01:21:04.920 something 01:21:05.540 --> 01:21:06.460 you know specific 01:21:06.460 --> 01:21:08.060 that is in the realm of 01:21:08.060 --> 01:21:09.440 real guidance 01:21:10.180 --> 01:21:11.600 so that's a type of vision 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:12.920 where where like 01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:14.320 God gives you 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:16.080 meaning and purpose 01:21:16.080 --> 01:21:17.100 and you're like 01:21:17.100 --> 01:21:18.760 oh my God I get it 01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:20.760 you know like I know why I'm here now 01:21:21.580 --> 01:21:23.860 and that's that's a beautiful thing 01:21:23.860 --> 01:21:24.680 that have happened 01:21:25.400 --> 01:21:27.120 where a dream is more like 01:21:27.120 --> 01:21:28.540 an interactive world 01:21:28.540 --> 01:21:30.320 in which subconscious material 01:21:30.320 --> 01:21:32.100 is being surfaced 01:21:32.100 --> 01:21:32.920 based on different 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:35.000 energetic interdimensional means 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:35.560 that are 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:36.900 observing you 01:21:36.900 --> 01:21:37.940 and pretending to be 01:21:37.940 --> 01:21:38.780 your aunt and uncle 01:21:38.780 --> 01:21:40.040 and you know 01:21:40.040 --> 01:21:41.480 that's the world of dreams 01:21:41.480 --> 01:21:43.020 where there's a lot more 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:46.880 in a shared experience 01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:48.060 that you can have a real 01:21:48.060 --> 01:21:49.540 personal vision come in 01:21:49.540 --> 01:21:51.520 and you cross into this layer 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:52.080 of the onion 01:21:52.080 --> 01:21:53.160 where the mother is able 01:21:53.160 --> 01:21:54.720 to speak directly to you 01:21:55.380 --> 01:21:56.400 and that's 01:21:56.400 --> 01:21:58.080 that's a type of communication 01:21:58.830 --> 01:22:00.460 so dreaming is communication 01:22:00.460 --> 01:22:01.600 so is vision 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:02.600 they're they both 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:04.580 are in that same category 01:22:04.580 --> 01:22:05.880 but they're very different 01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:07.700 in how they present 01:22:07.700 --> 01:22:09.240 and then as far as being 01:22:09.240 --> 01:22:10.500 in a collective vision 01:22:10.500 --> 01:22:12.120 you know we're all 01:22:13.160 --> 01:22:14.500 having a vision quest 01:22:14.500 --> 01:22:15.580 in which we're all 01:22:16.100 --> 01:22:17.340 having a vision together 01:22:17.340 --> 01:22:18.580 in which we all are 01:22:18.580 --> 01:22:20.380 assuming that it's just a base 01:22:20.380 --> 01:22:21.020 reality 01:22:21.540 --> 01:22:23.380 and it has become base reality 01:22:23.380 --> 01:22:24.860 but it's still a vision 01:22:25.540 --> 01:22:26.920 and we need to know that 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:28.320 in order to not be 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:30.940 tricked into thinking 01:22:30.940 --> 01:22:32.920 it's an actual physical world 01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:34.960 that will hijack 01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:36.700 our ability to unbind 01:22:36.700 --> 01:22:37.480 from the physical 01:22:37.480 --> 01:22:39.180 and do the things 01:22:39.180 --> 01:22:41.640 that really liberate us 01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:42.600 as travelers 01:22:43.380 --> 01:22:44.940 and so even though Carlos 01:22:44.940 --> 01:22:46.580 went into all these worlds 01:22:47.180 --> 01:22:47.960 he would say 01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:49.380 that the greatest gift of all 01:22:49.380 --> 01:22:50.380 is just being present 01:22:50.380 --> 01:22:51.440 here in this dream 01:22:52.240 --> 01:22:54.760 and so we do want the capacity 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:55.720 to take off 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:57.560 and experience these other layers 01:22:58.060 --> 01:22:59.800 but we want to mostly 01:23:00.380 --> 01:23:01.920 be able to be silent 01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:04.720 and just simply observe 01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:06.480 right here where we are 01:23:06.480 --> 01:23:07.560 and allow 01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:10.140 all the emotional waves 01:23:10.140 --> 01:23:11.360 to move through us 01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:12.860 that will allow us to truly 01:23:14.500 --> 01:23:15.220 purify 01:23:15.220 --> 01:23:16.460 because it's through 01:23:16.460 --> 01:23:18.240 really vulnerable emotional 01:23:19.780 --> 01:23:20.500 pain 01:23:21.040 --> 01:23:24.340 that the wisdom comes 01:23:24.340 --> 01:23:26.220 Toltec say wisdom comes painfully 01:23:26.220 --> 01:23:27.220 and in driblets 01:23:27.220 --> 01:23:29.480 and so people want to read books 01:23:29.480 --> 01:23:30.560 and become wise 01:23:31.440 --> 01:23:33.220 but you're gonna have to go through 01:23:34.020 --> 01:23:34.840 the things 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:36.580 right and as you said earlier 01:23:36.580 --> 01:23:38.780 the challenges actually increase 01:23:38.780 --> 01:23:40.340 as you get stronger 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:42.520 so you're not ever going to reach 01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:43.300 easy street 01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:46.760 and materialism is a trap 01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:48.080 so there's no way to purchase 01:23:48.080 --> 01:23:50.380 your way into well-being 01:23:51.240 --> 01:23:53.560 the money is an illusion 01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:55.280 it's this false sense of security 01:23:55.280 --> 01:23:57.360 that keeps people from doing the work 01:23:57.360 --> 01:23:57.940 yep 01:23:57.940 --> 01:24:00.140 so this is a really tricky place 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:01.280 you got it 01:24:01.280 --> 01:24:03.120 one of my trainers in the past 01:24:03.120 --> 01:24:04.380 he said that he had some 01:24:04.380 --> 01:24:05.220 billionaires as 01:24:05.220 --> 01:24:07.320 clients who sold yachts 01:24:07.320 --> 01:24:08.620 or one guy sold yachts 01:24:08.620 --> 01:24:11.080 and he could not get him 01:24:11.080 --> 01:24:12.420 to feel his programs 01:24:12.420 --> 01:24:14.260 because he literally felt 01:24:14.260 --> 01:24:15.980 invulnerable because of all that cash 01:24:15.980 --> 01:24:16.880 I know 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:18.440 yeah it's a very powerful thing 01:24:19.080 --> 01:24:20.380 really it's really 01:24:20.380 --> 01:24:22.060 and you don't get to take it 01:24:22.060 --> 01:24:22.800 with you either 01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:24.540 but therefore you know 01:24:24.540 --> 01:24:25.880 so like all the experiences 01:24:25.880 --> 01:24:27.540 like on some deep level 01:24:27.540 --> 01:24:29.200 they crave to have it 01:24:29.200 --> 01:24:30.000 all taken away 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:31.800 so they can have a real experience 01:24:32.340 --> 01:24:32.680 right 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:33.160 right 01:24:33.160 --> 01:24:34.920 they can't admit to that 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:37.480 because it's become this identity of power 01:24:37.480 --> 01:24:37.940 and 01:24:37.940 --> 01:24:39.700 so power is a real thing 01:24:39.700 --> 01:24:40.680 and it's very seductive 01:24:41.780 --> 01:24:42.260 exactly 01:24:42.260 --> 01:24:43.040 and survival 01:24:43.040 --> 01:24:43.560 right 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:46.120 you said that death is the teacher 01:24:46.120 --> 01:24:46.940 or so how did you 01:24:46.940 --> 01:24:48.140 how do you phrase it so beautifully 01:24:49.080 --> 01:24:49.560 yeah 01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:50.480 life is the arena 01:24:50.480 --> 01:24:51.800 and death is the player 01:24:52.620 --> 01:24:53.720 life is the arena 01:24:54.260 --> 01:24:54.500 yeah 01:24:54.500 --> 01:24:55.380 death is the player 01:24:55.380 --> 01:24:57.680 you want to go deep on that 01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:00.780 yeah death is is an advisor 01:25:00.780 --> 01:25:01.440 they say 01:25:01.440 --> 01:25:02.460 and it's the only one 01:25:02.460 --> 01:25:03.660 that'll be honest with you 01:25:04.320 --> 01:25:06.580 and it's very hard to find people 01:25:06.580 --> 01:25:08.140 who are truly living 01:25:08.140 --> 01:25:10.140 aware that they're going to die 01:25:11.160 --> 01:25:11.760 right 01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:13.000 that's what Toltec says 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.040 is the difference between us and others 01:25:15.040 --> 01:25:16.100 is that we are beings 01:25:16.100 --> 01:25:17.240 that are going to die 01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:21.420 and so they don't waste a moment 01:25:22.540 --> 01:25:24.120 they are engaging 01:25:24.700 --> 01:25:25.660 with that awareness 01:25:25.660 --> 01:25:26.680 and in a way 01:25:27.260 --> 01:25:29.160 every moment is your last moment 01:25:29.820 --> 01:25:31.160 because when your life flashes 01:25:31.160 --> 01:25:32.440 through your eyes 01:25:32.440 --> 01:25:33.420 when you die 01:25:34.440 --> 01:25:35.580 it's all equal 01:25:36.980 --> 01:25:37.540 like 01:25:38.140 --> 01:25:39.420 it's just all the same 01:25:39.420 --> 01:25:40.860 so this is my last moment 01:25:40.860 --> 01:25:41.760 right here with you 01:25:43.540 --> 01:25:44.700 it's not linear 01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:46.740 and so 01:25:46.740 --> 01:25:48.240 I choose to be here 01:25:48.240 --> 01:25:50.040 I'm not doing this to people please 01:25:50.040 --> 01:25:51.340 because you asked me to 01:25:51.340 --> 01:25:51.680 or 01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:54.580 I follow my signs and omens 01:25:54.580 --> 01:25:55.760 I don't do things 01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:59.220 I'm very careful with my time and energy 01:25:59.220 --> 01:26:00.520 because I'm aware 01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:02.220 that I only get so much of it 01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:03.500 and I want to 01:26:03.500 --> 01:26:05.780 I want to do the things that really are 01:26:06.620 --> 01:26:06.940 truly 01:26:06.940 --> 01:26:08.460 going to make me 01:26:09.240 --> 01:26:10.460 feel alive 01:26:11.060 --> 01:26:11.960 not just some 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:13.820 intellectual idea of evolution 01:26:14.340 --> 01:26:15.040 I can't 01:26:15.040 --> 01:26:16.780 follow a book or a religion 01:26:16.780 --> 01:26:18.000 in order to be free 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:18.920 I have to become 01:26:19.500 --> 01:26:21.440 uniquely capable of knowing 01:26:21.440 --> 01:26:24.620 what I as an individual need in order 01:26:25.300 --> 01:26:27.500 to to make the most of my time here 01:26:28.400 --> 01:26:30.140 and so I'm not a holy person 01:26:30.140 --> 01:26:31.900 I chase music 01:26:31.900 --> 01:26:33.000 and go out 01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:34.620 and work with tequila 01:26:34.620 --> 01:26:35.320 and mushroom 01:26:35.320 --> 01:26:36.340 and cannabis 01:26:36.340 --> 01:26:38.480 and go into other worlds 01:26:38.480 --> 01:26:39.740 with really amazing people 01:26:39.740 --> 01:26:41.000 and I don't live by any 01:26:41.580 --> 01:26:42.680 projected fears 01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:44.800 of what spiritual people are supposed to do 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:47.240 and therefore I get rewarded 01:26:47.240 --> 01:26:48.800 because I'm not 01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:50.140 you know 01:26:50.140 --> 01:26:50.940 in a limitation 01:26:50.940 --> 01:26:53.620 that doesn't mean I'll always work with substances 01:26:54.360 --> 01:26:55.760 I'm able to do 01:26:56.360 --> 01:26:58.400 even cooler stuff without them 01:26:58.860 --> 01:27:00.920 but I just don't want people to 01:27:01.420 --> 01:27:03.920 get caught in these projected judgments 01:27:04.440 --> 01:27:05.940 of limitation about how 01:27:05.940 --> 01:27:08.080 or what our life is supposed to be like 01:27:08.080 --> 01:27:09.200 because then you won't be 01:27:09.200 --> 01:27:10.780 spontaneous and 01:27:10.780 --> 01:27:12.640 magically engaging with 01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:13.960 this place like 01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:16.380 music's never been better for me 01:27:16.380 --> 01:27:18.100 like the bands that I follow 01:27:18.100 --> 01:27:19.640 are brand new 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:20.880 and just amazing 01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:22.240 and this world is amazing 01:27:22.240 --> 01:27:23.500 and you know 01:27:23.500 --> 01:27:25.180 I love woke cities 01:27:25.180 --> 01:27:26.860 and all the best food 01:27:26.860 --> 01:27:29.200 and all the craziest things to observe 01:27:29.200 --> 01:27:29.620 like 01:27:29.620 --> 01:27:31.620 none of it's negative to me 01:27:32.460 --> 01:27:33.820 therefore I have 01:27:33.820 --> 01:27:34.800 a lot of freedom 01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:36.020 to explore 01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:38.360 and I want that for everybody 01:27:38.360 --> 01:27:40.000 I want them to come out of any 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:41.340 contracted states 01:27:41.340 --> 01:27:42.600 of spiritual projections 01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:44.260 that are limiting them 01:27:44.260 --> 01:27:45.740 from getting to know their power 01:27:46.260 --> 01:27:48.700 and it's not an easy tightrope to walk 01:27:48.700 --> 01:27:50.800 but once you figure this out 01:27:51.660 --> 01:27:53.180 that's where like the G&M thing 01:27:53.180 --> 01:27:54.120 can be really helpful 01:27:54.120 --> 01:27:55.800 I don't think it's completely accurate 01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:56.500 but 01:27:56.500 --> 01:27:58.200 we are powerful enough 01:27:58.680 --> 01:27:59.340 that if we 01:27:59.940 --> 01:28:01.220 become energetically 01:28:01.220 --> 01:28:02.180 liberated 01:28:02.180 --> 01:28:03.920 then we aren't going to be 01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:06.340 easily poisoned the way others are 01:28:06.340 --> 01:28:08.620 because we've built our luminosity up 01:28:08.620 --> 01:28:10.640 and our perception of reality is 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:12.940 magical and not contracted 01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:14.960 nice I like that 01:28:15.360 --> 01:28:16.880 in India they would talk about 01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:18.300 the energy of 01:28:19.080 --> 01:28:19.620 Satwa, 01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:20.800 Rajas and 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:21.500 Thomas 01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:23.300 three qualities being 01:28:23.830 --> 01:28:24.100 light 01:28:24.740 --> 01:28:25.640 is Satwa 01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:27.060 more in alignment with the truth 01:28:27.060 --> 01:28:28.760 and then Rajas being action 01:28:29.420 --> 01:28:29.960 and 01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:31.120 Thomas being 01:28:32.080 --> 01:28:33.160 kind of like inertia 01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:34.760 and so 01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:36.720 in they you know as yogis 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:38.120 you want to be Satwik 01:28:38.120 --> 01:28:39.540 you want to be full of light 01:28:39.540 --> 01:28:41.420 and you want to be enlightened 01:28:41.420 --> 01:28:42.840 and seen as enlightened 01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:44.220 and act enlightened 01:28:44.220 --> 01:28:45.620 and you don't hang around with 01:28:45.620 --> 01:28:46.720 unenlightened people 01:28:47.210 --> 01:28:48.140 and all that kind of thing 01:28:48.140 --> 01:28:49.640 so it's it's a beautiful that 01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:50.780 and they are 01:28:50.780 --> 01:28:52.540 you could say more stuck 01:28:52.540 --> 01:28:54.320 than people who are just honestly 01:28:54.320 --> 01:28:54.980 in inertia 01:28:54.980 --> 01:28:56.820 right then 01:28:56.820 --> 01:28:58.040 yeah yeah 01:28:58.040 --> 01:28:59.880 and it's very unpleasant to be around 01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:00.380 them actually 01:29:01.240 --> 01:29:02.260 everybody knows 01:29:02.260 --> 01:29:02.560 and 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:03.960 can be a lot of pride 01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:05.880 in the in the process of 01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:07.480 of becoming so good 01:29:07.480 --> 01:29:08.900 so yeah yeah beautiful 01:29:09.460 --> 01:29:11.820 I love your trajectory overall 01:29:13.040 --> 01:29:15.000 let me see where I would like to go 01:29:16.180 --> 01:29:17.240 if there's any 01:29:17.900 --> 01:29:19.200 questions that I've missed in the 01:29:19.200 --> 01:29:19.860 chat by the way 01:29:19.860 --> 01:29:21.200 I apologize for not 01:29:21.200 --> 01:29:22.720 not paying a lot of attention 01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:24.080 in the chat because I'm just hanging 01:29:24.080 --> 01:29:24.320 on 01:29:24.320 --> 01:29:25.700 hanging on the words 01:29:25.700 --> 01:29:27.040 trying to stay 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:29.060 lucid with all of this 01:29:29.060 --> 01:29:30.420 very deep knowledge 01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:36.700 how have you yourself evolved 01:29:36.700 --> 01:29:38.540 over your lifetime 01:29:38.540 --> 01:29:39.920 what have you what have you seen 01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:40.500 that because 01:29:40.500 --> 01:29:42.020 your life can be 01:29:42.020 --> 01:29:43.600 something of an example 01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:45.320 not not a necessarily a map 01:29:45.320 --> 01:29:45.980 for others 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:47.760 but just to see 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:49.220 you know that 01:29:49.220 --> 01:29:50.960 you didn't show up 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:51.800 like this 01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:52.680 I'm assuming 01:29:53.280 --> 01:29:53.900 or I mean 01:29:53.900 --> 01:29:54.700 I've already seen 01:29:54.700 --> 01:29:56.460 transformation in a short time 01:29:56.460 --> 01:29:57.440 do you want to 01:29:57.440 --> 01:29:58.880 tell people what you've 01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:00.080 come through and been through 01:30:00.080 --> 01:30:00.940 maybe this could have been the 01:30:00.940 --> 01:30:01.520 first question 01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:02.900 and we'll make it towards the end 01:30:05.360 --> 01:30:06.680 yeah I mean 01:30:07.440 --> 01:30:09.420 I I left the world 01:30:10.160 --> 01:30:11.640 you know I really left it 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:12.960 and I had all these friends 01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:13.860 I was popular 01:30:13.860 --> 01:30:14.940 I was very 01:30:14.940 --> 01:30:16.480 smart in school 01:30:16.480 --> 01:30:18.440 I was good athlete 01:30:19.220 --> 01:30:20.300 and um 01:30:20.300 --> 01:30:21.540 you know I just 01:30:21.540 --> 01:30:22.380 I chose 01:30:22.380 --> 01:30:24.060 to do something that 01:30:24.060 --> 01:30:25.460 I sensed 01:30:25.980 --> 01:30:26.320 was 01:30:26.320 --> 01:30:27.620 more real 01:30:27.620 --> 01:30:28.220 than the 01:30:28.220 --> 01:30:29.320 what I thought was 01:30:29.320 --> 01:30:30.200 you know I kind of 01:30:30.200 --> 01:30:31.420 I kind of saw through 01:30:32.060 --> 01:30:33.900 stuff at a young age 01:30:33.900 --> 01:30:34.660 and when I found 01:30:34.660 --> 01:30:36.640 somebody that could take me 01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:38.080 into these other layers 01:30:38.080 --> 01:30:39.360 that when I was you know 01:30:39.360 --> 01:30:40.400 13 at first 01:30:40.400 --> 01:30:41.220 and then 16 01:30:41.900 --> 01:30:42.420 I just 01:30:42.420 --> 01:30:43.340 I went 01:30:43.340 --> 01:30:44.740 I went in that direction 01:30:44.740 --> 01:30:45.880 really boldly 01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:47.740 the first time I took LSD 01:30:47.740 --> 01:30:48.780 I was 13 01:30:48.780 --> 01:30:49.900 and when it hit me 01:30:49.900 --> 01:30:50.600 I was like oh 01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:51.780 this is how we're meant to 01:30:52.280 --> 01:30:52.720 live 01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:53.560 we're meant to be 01:30:53.560 --> 01:30:54.580 and heightened awareness 01:30:54.580 --> 01:30:56.500 we're not meant to be just like 01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:57.920 in our minds 01:30:58.380 --> 01:30:59.160 and so I 01:30:59.160 --> 01:31:00.540 came out of my mind 01:31:00.540 --> 01:31:01.640 and into like a more 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:02.980 feeling capacity 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:04.400 and I really 01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:06.480 was pretty aggressive with 01:31:06.480 --> 01:31:07.620 working with mushrooms 01:31:07.620 --> 01:31:09.180 and LSD at a young age 01:31:09.180 --> 01:31:10.880 because I sensed that 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:13.480 I just had a sense 01:31:13.480 --> 01:31:14.380 that that would be helpful 01:31:14.380 --> 01:31:14.840 for me 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:15.720 but I don't it's not like 01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:16.500 I recommend that 01:31:16.500 --> 01:31:17.900 some 13 or 16 year old 01:31:17.900 --> 01:31:19.560 start doing that you know like 01:31:19.900 --> 01:31:21.160 it's it's a really 01:31:22.180 --> 01:31:23.460 tricky formula 01:31:23.460 --> 01:31:25.120 that I gained access to 01:31:25.120 --> 01:31:26.280 that I ended up making 01:31:26.280 --> 01:31:27.060 it work 01:31:27.060 --> 01:31:28.160 but it wasn't easy 01:31:28.660 --> 01:31:29.800 it was really dangerous 01:31:29.800 --> 01:31:30.920 and I almost got 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:32.020 in real 01:31:32.780 --> 01:31:33.180 trouble 01:31:33.180 --> 01:31:34.100 energetically 01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:36.000 I had I had attachments 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:37.600 I had things that are not easy 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:38.480 to recover from 01:31:39.100 --> 01:31:39.860 I you know 01:31:39.860 --> 01:31:41.700 was in and out of many cults 01:31:41.700 --> 01:31:42.360 because of 01:31:43.080 --> 01:31:44.900 my willingness to learn 01:31:44.900 --> 01:31:46.120 and unlearn 01:31:46.120 --> 01:31:47.520 it makes me really vulnerable 01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:48.660 to powerful people 01:31:48.660 --> 01:31:49.800 that misuse their power 01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:51.380 which is what happened to me 01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:54.620 so I'm lucky to be okay 01:31:55.200 --> 01:31:56.220 but because of 01:31:56.220 --> 01:31:56.980 you know 01:31:56.980 --> 01:31:58.500 having gone into the woods 01:31:58.500 --> 01:32:00.160 with a backpack of 80 pounds 01:32:00.160 --> 01:32:02.120 and just staying out there 01:32:02.120 --> 01:32:02.800 and 01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:04.160 and you know 01:32:04.160 --> 01:32:06.160 going through such a strange 01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:08.680 relationship with 01:32:09.380 --> 01:32:09.940 survival 01:32:09.940 --> 01:32:11.240 like trying 01:32:11.240 --> 01:32:12.300 trying to actually 01:32:12.300 --> 01:32:13.480 put yourself in a situation 01:32:13.480 --> 01:32:14.620 where you had to trust 01:32:14.620 --> 01:32:15.760 the universe in ways 01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:16.980 that most people don't know 01:32:16.980 --> 01:32:18.340 like I would hitchhike 01:32:18.660 --> 01:32:20.560 to a new town without any money 01:32:21.620 --> 01:32:23.120 and start over 01:32:23.120 --> 01:32:24.400 and I would always work 01:32:24.400 --> 01:32:25.420 perfectly 01:32:25.940 --> 01:32:27.760 it would be challenging experiences 01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:29.240 that I'd have to walk through 01:32:29.240 --> 01:32:30.540 in order for that breakthrough 01:32:31.100 --> 01:32:32.480 but this place is incredible 01:32:32.480 --> 01:32:33.380 and it will 01:32:34.120 --> 01:32:35.360 take care of you 01:32:35.360 --> 01:32:36.320 as long as you're willing 01:32:36.320 --> 01:32:38.320 to do whatever it takes to be okay 01:32:38.940 --> 01:32:40.480 and that's what I learned the most 01:32:40.480 --> 01:32:41.560 is that this place is 01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:43.120 responding to your intent 01:32:43.120 --> 01:32:44.840 it's a magical realm 01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:46.400 it's a world of power 01:32:46.400 --> 01:32:48.160 and if you step into your power 01:32:48.160 --> 01:32:49.800 it will respond to your power 01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:52.980 but if you are acting small 01:32:52.980 --> 01:32:54.420 and you know 01:32:54.420 --> 01:32:57.760 in a place in which you don't believe in yourself 01:32:57.760 --> 01:32:59.720 or you don't have trust 01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:01.920 in your personal power at all 01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:04.060 then the world will reflect that to you 01:33:04.060 --> 01:33:06.220 and it just gets more and more terrifying 01:33:06.820 --> 01:33:08.960 and so I really try to help people 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:10.900 to realize when they've been enabled 01:33:10.900 --> 01:33:12.520 that it's weakened them 01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:14.320 I've met with a lot of women 01:33:14.320 --> 01:33:16.300 who have been enabled by men 01:33:16.860 --> 01:33:19.540 and then they don't have their masculine intact 01:33:19.540 --> 01:33:20.780 and then they get ill 01:33:20.780 --> 01:33:22.900 because they were not up 01:33:22.900 --> 01:33:24.420 they were trying to use their masculine 01:33:24.420 --> 01:33:26.280 in areas where it wasn't beneficial 01:33:26.940 --> 01:33:29.540 and then they were avoiding the areas 01:33:29.540 --> 01:33:30.900 of developing their masculine 01:33:30.900 --> 01:33:32.040 where it would have been 01:33:33.220 --> 01:33:34.900 energetically the very thing they need 01:33:34.900 --> 01:33:37.180 in order to be electrically repaired 01:33:37.180 --> 01:33:40.480 so it's so uncomfortable to work with people 01:33:40.480 --> 01:33:41.560 that can help you see 01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:44.220 where the holes in your consciousness lie 01:33:44.220 --> 01:33:47.020 but that's what kind of courage it takes 01:33:47.020 --> 01:33:49.820 and so I've been working with teachers my whole life 01:33:49.820 --> 01:33:52.500 and if I would have waited to find teachers 01:33:52.500 --> 01:33:54.580 that were perfect in order to work with them 01:33:54.580 --> 01:33:55.820 I never would have found anyone 01:33:55.820 --> 01:33:58.660 so I was able to take the parts 01:33:58.660 --> 01:34:00.160 that they had dialed in 01:34:00.700 --> 01:34:02.320 and work with just that part 01:34:02.320 --> 01:34:04.120 and disregard the other things 01:34:04.120 --> 01:34:06.420 and then I've worked with so many teachers 01:34:07.020 --> 01:34:08.880 that I've been so thankful 01:34:09.500 --> 01:34:11.380 for all the areas in which they are gifted 01:34:11.900 --> 01:34:13.780 but I learned just as much from the areas 01:34:13.780 --> 01:34:16.400 in which they were self-assessive to themselves too 01:34:17.380 --> 01:34:20.740 so kind of have to go out and get beat up in this world 01:34:20.740 --> 01:34:22.420 in order to have the experiences 01:34:23.080 --> 01:34:26.840 you know that that we do get to take our experiences with us 01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:28.320 that's the cool part 01:34:28.320 --> 01:34:29.760 is that we are evolving 01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:31.240 and it's through our memory 01:34:31.980 --> 01:34:34.040 that our evolution is determined 01:34:34.040 --> 01:34:36.520 and so that's why Toltec's recapitulate 01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:40.140 is if they can purify that memory system 01:34:40.740 --> 01:34:43.200 then they will be able to give that force 01:34:43.200 --> 01:34:45.420 that normally consumes awareness at death 01:34:45.420 --> 01:34:48.600 they give it a replica of their life experiences 01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:50.680 through the completion of the recapitulation 01:34:51.180 --> 01:34:53.560 and then that force rather than consume 01:34:54.180 --> 01:34:56.560 your memories will take that 01:34:57.240 --> 01:35:00.380 that replica and then let you go into the 01:35:00.380 --> 01:35:01.660 what they call the third attention 01:35:02.280 --> 01:35:04.600 which is where the first and second attention meet 01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:06.800 where the where you can have 01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:09.140 where you jump from vision to vision 01:35:09.140 --> 01:35:12.620 and vision like you get to become a traveler again naturally 01:35:13.260 --> 01:35:16.020 transition from this physical form 01:35:16.020 --> 01:35:17.900 into an energetic inorganic being 01:35:17.900 --> 01:35:19.860 so inorganic beings aren't bad 01:35:19.860 --> 01:35:21.280 there's different kinds 01:35:21.280 --> 01:35:24.480 and eventually we're going to become inorganic beings 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:26.860 we leave this physical form 01:35:26.860 --> 01:35:28.500 and we go into these other places 01:35:29.180 --> 01:35:31.900 and there's an alternative ways of dying 01:35:32.440 --> 01:35:34.820 and I'm going to do my work 01:35:34.820 --> 01:35:37.540 in order to have a really magnificent crossing 01:35:38.200 --> 01:35:38.980 and it's going to be 01:35:39.660 --> 01:35:41.380 my death is going to have to come out 01:35:41.380 --> 01:35:42.740 me really really hard 01:35:42.740 --> 01:35:44.500 because I'm going to become really strong 01:35:45.360 --> 01:35:47.340 and and that's really simple 01:35:47.340 --> 01:35:50.740 if you just really tap into the simplicity of that 01:35:50.740 --> 01:35:52.540 then energetically you'll know 01:35:52.540 --> 01:35:54.860 what kind of internal power training you need 01:35:54.860 --> 01:35:58.700 in order to feel strong enough to say that 01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:02.240 wow good on you that's amazing 01:36:03.780 --> 01:36:05.600 yeah so so good 01:36:06.320 --> 01:36:08.960 when it comes to say like the difference 01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:10.600 this is something I just want to point out 01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:11.800 I've noticed it for myself 01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:13.160 I'm curious what you would say 01:36:13.720 --> 01:36:18.380 around that that say plant created state 01:36:18.380 --> 01:36:21.220 versus the one that you create yourself 01:36:21.220 --> 01:36:23.240 you're calling it heightened awareness 01:36:23.240 --> 01:36:25.160 do you consider every psychedelic experience 01:36:25.160 --> 01:36:26.440 to be heightened awareness 01:36:26.440 --> 01:36:29.020 or is there just to start 01:36:29.020 --> 01:36:31.000 are there ones that like actually are more 01:36:31.000 --> 01:36:32.420 like a bag on your head 01:36:32.420 --> 01:36:34.440 and stop you from seeing 01:36:35.740 --> 01:36:37.580 yeah I mean I think 01:36:39.340 --> 01:36:42.100 heightened awareness is something that's separate 01:36:42.100 --> 01:36:43.340 from power plants 01:36:43.340 --> 01:36:44.380 but they typically 01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:49.480 are they will move what we call the assemblage point 01:36:49.480 --> 01:36:52.460 which will reveal other states of perception 01:36:52.460 --> 01:36:55.680 which are separate from the original state 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:57.640 which therefore are considered heightened 01:36:57.640 --> 01:36:59.420 just because you're getting a different angle 01:36:59.420 --> 01:37:02.660 mm-hmm nice nice yeah 01:37:02.660 --> 01:37:05.880 yeah that was the fun of doing inversions in yoga 01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:07.420 like kind of left the yoga behind 01:37:07.420 --> 01:37:08.960 because just like seeing the world upside down 01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:10.700 is like oh wow this is really different 01:37:10.700 --> 01:37:12.740 walking backwards the same kind of thing 01:37:12.740 --> 01:37:13.560 yes I like that 01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:15.480 you've got so many words to things that 01:37:15.980 --> 01:37:17.660 you often don't have words for 01:37:17.660 --> 01:37:21.180 the psychedelics I've noticed 01:37:21.180 --> 01:37:24.080 there there is a pretty high cost to them 01:37:24.080 --> 01:37:25.420 even if just physically 01:37:26.060 --> 01:37:29.100 because the reason you get an altered state from them 01:37:29.100 --> 01:37:31.240 is because it's poisoning you 01:37:31.820 --> 01:37:33.300 right that's what psilocybin does 01:37:33.300 --> 01:37:35.480 it's it's it's literally harmed to the liver 01:37:36.700 --> 01:37:38.600 and so then 01:37:39.450 --> 01:37:41.720 but is it for you is it a matter of 01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:44.820 that is the the juice worth the squeeze or not 01:37:45.460 --> 01:37:48.660 yeah I mean I I'm you know I don't expect to live forever 01:37:48.660 --> 01:37:55.680 and I I I'm very much open to all the different 01:37:56.280 --> 01:38:00.160 feelings of you know what feels like the necessary 01:38:00.160 --> 01:38:01.960 thing to do with my time 01:38:04.460 --> 01:38:08.220 and the power plants the price that they pay 01:38:08.220 --> 01:38:11.480 is untold it's hard to see it's an energetic side 01:38:11.480 --> 01:38:14.240 it's it could very much save your life 01:38:15.080 --> 01:38:17.480 as well as it could take your life 01:38:17.480 --> 01:38:19.560 depending on the way in which you work with it 01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:23.620 so I think it's a really delicate thing 01:38:23.620 --> 01:38:25.380 and it's personal to each person 01:38:25.380 --> 01:38:28.040 I used to say if you're afraid of taking them 01:38:28.040 --> 01:38:29.120 then you probably should 01:38:29.120 --> 01:38:30.900 and if you're not then you don't need to 01:38:32.060 --> 01:38:35.000 but now I'm more you know with each person 01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:36.900 I just try to help them understand that 01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:39.500 we only have so much time here 01:38:40.340 --> 01:38:42.980 and yet we get to slow this all down 01:38:42.980 --> 01:38:44.920 with intensity and like 01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.800 give ourselves as much runway as we need to take off 01:38:48.420 --> 01:38:50.520 and if you try to take off in a plane 01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:52.260 without giving it enough runway 01:38:52.260 --> 01:38:53.980 you're probably going to crash and burn 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:55.980 but if you're really listening 01:38:55.980 --> 01:38:57.980 and you're you're slowing down the process 01:38:57.980 --> 01:39:00.560 and you learn how to fly and all that 01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:03.400 then you can have a really miraculous healing 01:39:03.400 --> 01:39:05.580 say with a big macro dose 01:39:05.580 --> 01:39:09.640 that could completely change the trajectory of your life 01:39:09.640 --> 01:39:13.160 so that you are able to properly heal 01:39:14.060 --> 01:39:17.000 but you you paid you paid a price for that experience 01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:20.200 but it's so worth it when it plays out that way 01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:24.200 so I just I want everyone to try to get 01:39:24.200 --> 01:39:26.600 their intuition in is dialed in 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:29.820 so that they're not in a rule-based fixed fear 01:39:29.820 --> 01:39:33.900 around any of it and then yeah this question 01:39:33.900 --> 01:39:35.980 then how to do psychedelics in a safe way 01:39:35.980 --> 01:39:40.840 I mean to me it's has to do with 01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:44.260 becoming so in love with your existence 01:39:44.260 --> 01:39:47.040 that you're doing them out of love 01:39:47.040 --> 01:39:49.400 you're you're showing up you're putting them 01:39:49.400 --> 01:39:50.680 in your hands and you're asking 01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:52.720 does my do I really want to do this 01:39:52.720 --> 01:39:55.040 and and getting to know the part of you 01:39:55.040 --> 01:39:57.780 that is like your future self 01:39:58.360 --> 01:40:00.680 because I think this is all already happened 01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:01.740 we're like in a memory 01:40:02.440 --> 01:40:04.360 and there's some rigidity to that 01:40:04.360 --> 01:40:06.080 that there's only so much we can do 01:40:06.080 --> 01:40:07.420 with the contract we're in 01:40:07.420 --> 01:40:09.340 but there's a way to become liberated 01:40:09.340 --> 01:40:11.040 within that rigidity 01:40:11.700 --> 01:40:14.520 and so if I could slip off into another layer 01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:17.960 of the onion this evening on psilocybin 01:40:19.080 --> 01:40:21.880 and I have a profound moment here in Sedona 01:40:22.660 --> 01:40:24.840 that takes me to such a 01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:27.160 just such a deeper place of silence 01:40:27.160 --> 01:40:28.260 than I've ever been 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:31.080 that I'm able to then you know 01:40:32.360 --> 01:40:34.260 permanently be in that state 01:40:34.260 --> 01:40:35.760 for the rest of my life 01:40:36.280 --> 01:40:38.100 that would be really worth it 01:40:38.660 --> 01:40:40.140 but it's not necessary 01:40:40.140 --> 01:40:42.480 I could do that other ways 01:40:43.220 --> 01:40:44.980 and I'm open to all ways 01:40:44.980 --> 01:40:47.900 and but shamans recommend like 01:40:47.900 --> 01:40:49.280 don't ever touch cocaine 01:40:49.280 --> 01:40:51.620 and like there's certain things to not do 01:40:51.620 --> 01:40:53.720 because of how detrimental they are 01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:55.700 but in in South Africa the 01:40:55.700 --> 01:40:57.820 angomos the way they reach heightened 01:40:57.820 --> 01:41:00.260 awareness is they use alcohol and cannabis 01:41:00.260 --> 01:41:01.700 in large and large amounts 01:41:01.700 --> 01:41:03.260 and they have to trance dance 01:41:03.740 --> 01:41:05.040 and keep taking it 01:41:05.040 --> 01:41:07.140 in order to pass the test 01:41:07.140 --> 01:41:09.480 to being able to be more powerful than the poison 01:41:10.200 --> 01:41:12.140 as long as you're staying in that 01:41:12.140 --> 01:41:13.780 trance dance it won't matter 01:41:13.780 --> 01:41:14.920 how much you consume 01:41:15.540 --> 01:41:17.440 but it takes a real shaman 01:41:17.440 --> 01:41:18.840 to be able to do what I'm saying 01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:22.260 so I just try to help people 01:41:22.260 --> 01:41:24.620 figure out their limitations 01:41:25.700 --> 01:41:27.040 and and understand 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:29.080 how to rewild 01:41:29.580 --> 01:41:31.900 and not get caught in some sort of 01:41:31.900 --> 01:41:34.520 comfy religious sort of dogma 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:36.240 because it's there's no real 01:41:36.240 --> 01:41:38.080 way to test yourself 01:41:38.080 --> 01:41:40.080 unless you're coming out of 01:41:41.200 --> 01:41:43.200 all the yeah the stories 01:41:43.200 --> 01:41:44.800 that aren't necessarily true 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:46.840 that the real truths happen 01:41:47.260 --> 01:41:49.560 on deeper levels that aren't rule based 01:41:50.400 --> 01:41:52.200 right and we always want the answer 01:41:52.200 --> 01:41:53.420 are psychedelics good 01:41:53.420 --> 01:41:54.820 or psychedelics bad 01:41:54.820 --> 01:41:57.140 and it's just not like that 01:41:57.140 --> 01:41:59.800 it's yeah and it's so much 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:01.540 even in the context of the moment 01:42:01.540 --> 01:42:02.300 and the time 01:42:02.300 --> 01:42:03.320 there have been 01:42:03.860 --> 01:42:04.760 times of my life 01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:07.180 where I have really used them as teachers 01:42:07.660 --> 01:42:09.800 I received a great deal of lessons 01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:12.280 and then I realized oh now I need to 01:42:12.280 --> 01:42:14.500 actually go learn this for real 01:42:14.500 --> 01:42:16.480 and do do this and implement it 01:42:16.480 --> 01:42:17.460 and show I've learned 01:42:17.460 --> 01:42:18.560 not just keep hearing 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:20.680 at some point there was a repeat 01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:22.720 message and it's like okay I got it 01:42:23.220 --> 01:42:24.480 I don't need to go back to the 01:42:24.480 --> 01:42:25.640 grandmothers for that 01:42:26.200 --> 01:42:27.780 for a while yeah yeah 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:30.280 most people don't integrate 01:42:30.860 --> 01:42:32.920 they just keep going back to the 01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:34.360 you know the ayahuasca stuff 01:42:34.360 --> 01:42:35.240 they're just going back 01:42:35.240 --> 01:42:36.560 going back and going back 01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:38.440 and that they're just getting 01:42:38.440 --> 01:42:39.860 opened up into these areas 01:42:39.860 --> 01:42:41.020 they're not prepared for 01:42:41.020 --> 01:42:42.240 and the shamans don't care 01:42:42.820 --> 01:42:44.620 shamans are like I don't care 01:42:44.620 --> 01:42:45.380 what you guys do 01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:47.520 because they're in the middle 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:48.960 of their spiritual battles 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:51.140 with their other neighboring villages 01:42:51.140 --> 01:42:52.220 and they're throwing energy 01:42:52.220 --> 01:42:53.080 darts at them 01:42:53.080 --> 01:42:54.320 and they're using those people 01:42:54.320 --> 01:42:55.100 and those ceremonies 01:42:55.100 --> 01:42:56.740 to buffer them 01:42:56.740 --> 01:42:59.840 and it's crazy how intense 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:00.600 all that is 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:02.620 and that nobody's really addressing 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:05.040 the dark side of all that 01:43:06.220 --> 01:43:07.780 exactly are we kind of caught 01:43:07.780 --> 01:43:08.580 in the crossfare 01:43:08.580 --> 01:43:10.660 there was a question here 01:43:10.660 --> 01:43:12.680 do the inorganic beings 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:14.640 control this planet in your opinion 01:43:16.860 --> 01:43:19.440 I mean we're definitely in a construct 01:43:20.140 --> 01:43:21.160 it's a construct 01:43:21.160 --> 01:43:25.020 and they are the reason 01:43:25.020 --> 01:43:26.920 why we built civilizations 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:30.000 and we stopped being you know 01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:33.140 nomadic and directly connected to source 01:43:33.820 --> 01:43:35.720 and so we become harvested 01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:36.840 and domesticated 01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:39.460 therefore yeah that's being controlled 01:43:39.460 --> 01:43:41.820 but that doesn't mean that 01:43:41.820 --> 01:43:43.340 we don't have the capacity 01:43:43.340 --> 01:43:45.680 as individuals to stop feeding 01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:48.340 these forces and become independent 01:43:49.160 --> 01:43:49.940 from them 01:43:49.940 --> 01:43:52.160 and that's what Toltec's teach 01:43:52.160 --> 01:43:54.580 is how to change your energetics 01:43:55.210 --> 01:43:56.340 so that these predators 01:43:56.340 --> 01:43:58.700 no longer find your energy palatable 01:44:00.740 --> 01:44:02.940 nice nice yeah you taste bad 01:44:02.940 --> 01:44:04.680 to the things taste bad 01:44:05.410 --> 01:44:06.920 yeah yeah I love that 01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:07.600 so good 01:44:10.100 --> 01:44:12.620 let's see where we could go 01:44:12.620 --> 01:44:14.580 I love you how you talk about time 01:44:14.580 --> 01:44:16.160 is measured in intensity 01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:19.020 I literally almost jumped up 01:44:19.020 --> 01:44:20.460 and down for joy when I heard that 01:44:21.100 --> 01:44:22.620 let's say I've had a long life 01:44:23.340 --> 01:44:25.140 it's it yeah yeah it's so cool 01:44:25.940 --> 01:44:27.500 once you discover that 01:44:27.500 --> 01:44:29.700 then you get to slow everything down 01:44:29.700 --> 01:44:30.620 intentionally 01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:33.520 intensity you know once 01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:35.480 when you can hang out in silence 01:44:35.480 --> 01:44:37.000 for long periods of time 01:44:37.660 --> 01:44:39.440 so much is felt 01:44:40.540 --> 01:44:42.420 and so much runs through your 01:44:42.420 --> 01:44:43.300 chakra system 01:44:43.900 --> 01:44:45.520 and that's what intensity is 01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:47.560 is the processing of all these 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:48.020 feelings 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:50.100 and so you know 01:44:50.100 --> 01:44:53.220 shamans learn how to have ecstatic 01:44:53.960 --> 01:44:54.680 moments 01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:56.460 quite often 01:44:56.460 --> 01:44:59.260 because lucid dreaming is ecstatic 01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:02.740 spinning it in a circle 01:45:02.740 --> 01:45:04.800 really fast for long periods of time 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:05.900 will unlock doors 01:45:06.500 --> 01:45:08.240 and it will heal your chakra line 01:45:08.240 --> 01:45:09.920 and make sure the vortex is spinning 01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:10.880 healthfully you 01:45:11.340 --> 01:45:13.580 you know I I do all kinds of 01:45:14.140 --> 01:45:16.120 incredible things with my time 01:45:17.260 --> 01:45:19.940 that make it possible for me to 01:45:21.300 --> 01:45:22.320 yeah be 01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:25.920 more and more capable of 01:45:26.440 --> 01:45:27.560 more and more intensity 01:45:28.120 --> 01:45:30.020 right and so sexually 01:45:30.020 --> 01:45:31.460 everything gets more powerful 01:45:32.380 --> 01:45:32.940 adventures 01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:35.460 listening to music dancing 01:45:36.860 --> 01:45:38.760 being in my own field 01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:40.400 like people come up to me at music 01:45:40.400 --> 01:45:41.940 and they're like how are you so in 01:45:41.940 --> 01:45:42.760 your own world 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:44.660 because I'm not 01:45:45.380 --> 01:45:47.080 paying attention to who's looking at 01:45:47.080 --> 01:45:48.620 who or who's thinking what 01:45:49.440 --> 01:45:50.180 I'm deep 01:45:50.940 --> 01:45:53.260 and that ability I want everyone to 01:45:53.260 --> 01:45:53.700 have 01:45:53.700 --> 01:45:55.700 because you can tell everyone's caught 01:45:55.700 --> 01:45:57.100 and comparing themselves 01:45:57.920 --> 01:45:59.960 and reflecting and I wonder if 01:45:59.960 --> 01:46:01.060 they're looking at me and 01:46:01.060 --> 01:46:03.600 all that stuff just is so hard to 01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:04.140 come out of 01:46:04.140 --> 01:46:05.820 but once you do it's just like 01:46:05.820 --> 01:46:08.020 oh thank god I'm no longer caught 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:10.300 and in any of that stuff 01:46:10.300 --> 01:46:11.400 because it's just 01:46:11.400 --> 01:46:13.220 it's a total hijack 01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:15.940 so I like to walk in large cities 01:46:16.500 --> 01:46:17.780 amongst large crowds 01:46:17.780 --> 01:46:19.180 and I'm not looking at anyone 01:46:19.180 --> 01:46:19.500 are there 01:46:19.500 --> 01:46:20.680 everything's just energy 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:22.180 I'm just cutting through the crowd 01:46:22.740 --> 01:46:24.340 like almost like I'm a fish 01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:25.740 in the sea 01:46:25.740 --> 01:46:27.720 just going wherever I want 01:46:28.340 --> 01:46:30.820 and it's such a unique state of 01:46:30.820 --> 01:46:32.100 attention to be in 01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:35.460 but then you start to get pulled 01:46:35.460 --> 01:46:36.420 out someone will 01:46:36.420 --> 01:46:37.840 you'll catch something 01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:38.880 and all of a sudden you're looking 01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:39.660 and you're judging 01:46:39.660 --> 01:46:41.180 and then you're looking around 01:46:41.180 --> 01:46:42.480 and you're back in your judgment 01:46:42.480 --> 01:46:43.560 of the world 01:46:43.560 --> 01:46:45.460 and it all comes starts to contract 01:46:46.220 --> 01:46:47.360 so then you have to like oh 01:46:47.360 --> 01:46:48.060 shit okay 01:46:48.060 --> 01:46:49.900 go back into the trance 01:46:49.900 --> 01:46:51.760 and then that's where heightened 01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:52.520 awareness is 01:46:52.520 --> 01:46:54.060 it's like the clarity 01:46:54.740 --> 01:46:56.060 the the direction 01:46:56.060 --> 01:46:57.400 you know where to turn 01:46:57.400 --> 01:46:58.880 you know which alley to go down 01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:00.100 and which one not to 01:47:00.780 --> 01:47:02.680 you get to to live in this very 01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:04.140 adventurous way of just 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:05.960 going out for a walk 01:47:05.960 --> 01:47:07.480 becomes very psychedelic 01:47:07.480 --> 01:47:09.640 so there's so much to that 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:11.380 and you know I just hope people 01:47:11.380 --> 01:47:12.540 find that for themselves 01:47:12.540 --> 01:47:14.400 because it's a total breakthrough 01:47:15.260 --> 01:47:16.460 that's beautiful yeah 01:47:16.460 --> 01:47:19.920 I I credit you for returning my 01:47:20.840 --> 01:47:21.980 I don't know what it is 01:47:21.980 --> 01:47:23.700 but just the appreciation of the 01:47:23.700 --> 01:47:25.960 psychedelic nature of of life 01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:28.140 that but it's not like I 01:47:28.140 --> 01:47:29.820 it's been underappreciated in my 01:47:29.820 --> 01:47:30.860 life either it's just like 01:47:30.860 --> 01:47:31.700 kind of renewed 01:47:32.260 --> 01:47:34.400 through seeing through your eyes 01:47:34.400 --> 01:47:36.100 and yes it's so many things 01:47:36.100 --> 01:47:37.880 we have it as children 01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:39.380 so really right 01:47:39.380 --> 01:47:40.920 it's all psychedelic to a child 01:47:41.380 --> 01:47:43.400 and and then going back 01:47:43.400 --> 01:47:45.520 it often feels like a revisiting 01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:47.400 of of that or you know people 01:47:47.400 --> 01:47:48.440 might call you immature 01:47:49.280 --> 01:47:50.500 and those kind of things 01:47:50.500 --> 01:47:52.640 but it doesn't really matter 01:47:54.940 --> 01:47:57.380 so yeah silence gives away 01:47:57.380 --> 01:47:59.220 what I notice with silence 01:47:59.220 --> 01:48:00.340 it's kind of interesting 01:48:00.340 --> 01:48:02.720 when I have the discipline 01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:04.200 to go within inevitably 01:48:04.200 --> 01:48:06.280 it's because there's some 01:48:06.280 --> 01:48:07.620 downward something 01:48:07.620 --> 01:48:08.940 something happens 01:48:08.940 --> 01:48:10.060 I get knocked 01:48:10.060 --> 01:48:11.600 I feel hurt 01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:12.720 or whatever it is 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:14.740 and it takes me into the silence 01:48:15.340 --> 01:48:16.460 and then the silence 01:48:16.460 --> 01:48:19.440 takes me into creation 01:48:19.980 --> 01:48:20.320 cool 01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:22.720 as just a natural trajectory 01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:24.160 and then and then it's like 01:48:24.160 --> 01:48:26.260 there's no time for silence 01:48:26.260 --> 01:48:27.980 because you've generated 01:48:27.980 --> 01:48:29.620 so much activity 01:48:29.620 --> 01:48:31.160 through the the silence 01:48:31.160 --> 01:48:32.300 and then and then it'll 01:48:32.300 --> 01:48:33.440 something will happen 01:48:33.440 --> 01:48:34.740 and it'll call me back 01:48:34.740 --> 01:48:35.820 to the silence 01:48:35.820 --> 01:48:37.560 and how do you see that 01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:38.780 wave is that just 01:48:38.780 --> 01:48:40.340 how it works naturally 01:48:41.700 --> 01:48:42.740 typically yeah 01:48:42.740 --> 01:48:45.100 I think there comes a point though 01:48:45.100 --> 01:48:45.560 where 01:48:46.200 --> 01:48:48.060 you know you fall so deeply 01:48:48.060 --> 01:48:49.100 in love with silence 01:48:49.100 --> 01:48:50.640 that you make it a priority 01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:52.560 to do you know 01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:54.680 regardless of what is going on 01:48:55.300 --> 01:48:56.320 so when when 01:48:56.320 --> 01:48:57.260 shamans are asked 01:48:57.260 --> 01:48:58.180 what is the secret 01:48:58.180 --> 01:48:59.800 they just put their finger to the lips 01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:04.860 so there is a way to stop talking to yourself 01:49:06.020 --> 01:49:07.740 and it's so intense 01:49:07.740 --> 01:49:09.000 because if you go for like 01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:10.480 a whole three seconds without 01:49:11.360 --> 01:49:12.780 talking to yourself 01:49:12.780 --> 01:49:14.920 then the world starts to to move 01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:15.580 it's not 01:49:15.580 --> 01:49:17.280 it doesn't it isn't what it 01:49:17.280 --> 01:49:18.120 appears to be 01:49:18.120 --> 01:49:19.000 you start to go 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:20.620 into such deep presence 01:49:20.620 --> 01:49:21.860 that the illusion 01:49:21.860 --> 01:49:23.120 starts to fall away 01:49:23.120 --> 01:49:24.960 so it's very uncomfortable 01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:26.820 to go 10 seconds 01:49:26.820 --> 01:49:27.640 it's almost impossible 01:49:28.920 --> 01:49:30.620 there's just so much pressure 01:49:30.620 --> 01:49:32.480 on us to stay within the 01:49:33.100 --> 01:49:34.420 within this illusion 01:49:34.420 --> 01:49:35.620 and the only way this illusion 01:49:35.620 --> 01:49:37.260 is able to maintain its 01:49:37.780 --> 01:49:39.060 control is through 01:49:39.060 --> 01:49:41.120 the the internal dialogue 01:49:41.860 --> 01:49:42.880 and so 01:49:43.610 --> 01:49:44.560 you know we learn 01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:45.660 how to go into silence 01:49:45.660 --> 01:49:47.040 as a means to repair 01:49:47.040 --> 01:49:49.060 when something happens 01:49:49.780 --> 01:49:51.040 and it's a beautiful thing 01:49:51.040 --> 01:49:51.980 to discover 01:49:51.980 --> 01:49:53.580 and everything happens for a reason 01:49:53.580 --> 01:49:55.480 and probably the main reason 01:49:55.480 --> 01:49:56.700 while whatever happened 01:49:56.700 --> 01:49:58.440 was to get you back into your silence 01:49:59.640 --> 01:50:00.920 but at some point 01:50:02.020 --> 01:50:03.500 you can force silence 01:50:03.500 --> 01:50:04.480 you can be proactive 01:50:04.480 --> 01:50:05.660 about reaching silence 01:50:05.660 --> 01:50:08.320 you could do the magical passes 01:50:08.320 --> 01:50:10.200 to the point that it's just like 01:50:10.200 --> 01:50:12.580 you almost can't not go into silence 01:50:12.580 --> 01:50:13.060 because 01:50:15.240 --> 01:50:17.220 they just start to affect you 01:50:17.220 --> 01:50:18.820 in a very profound way 01:50:20.360 --> 01:50:21.200 and yeah 01:50:21.200 --> 01:50:23.400 so I just think it's a dance with 01:50:24.240 --> 01:50:25.480 you know if you're 01:50:25.480 --> 01:50:26.420 if you're in your thoughts 01:50:26.420 --> 01:50:27.420 you might as well have fun 01:50:27.420 --> 01:50:28.480 with them and be creative 01:50:28.480 --> 01:50:30.520 and you know be inspired 01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:33.060 and allow that process 01:50:33.060 --> 01:50:33.960 to be enjoyed 01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:35.500 it's not like beat yourself up 01:50:35.500 --> 01:50:36.940 because you're in your thoughts 01:50:36.940 --> 01:50:38.000 the shame and guilt 01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:38.980 that people go through 01:50:38.980 --> 01:50:40.220 over this stuff is terrible 01:50:40.220 --> 01:50:41.480 it's not necessary 01:50:42.180 --> 01:50:43.160 this is going to be 01:50:43.160 --> 01:50:44.300 really really difficult 01:50:44.300 --> 01:50:45.640 in confronting because 01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:47.820 they're not even your thoughts 01:50:47.820 --> 01:50:49.080 you're like having to turn off 01:50:49.080 --> 01:50:50.600 something else's thoughts 01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:52.540 by not giving it the attention 01:50:53.060 --> 01:50:54.240 and that takes a really 01:50:54.240 --> 01:50:56.020 powerful person to be able 01:50:56.020 --> 01:50:56.880 to kind of turn 01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:58.300 and face your captor 01:50:58.300 --> 01:50:59.560 and that's what Carlos 01:50:59.560 --> 01:51:00.480 Costa-Nayton said 01:51:00.480 --> 01:51:01.880 is we either face our captors 01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:02.500 when we die 01:51:02.500 --> 01:51:03.800 or while we're alive 01:51:04.500 --> 01:51:06.160 and we might as well 01:51:06.160 --> 01:51:07.100 face them now 01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:09.700 while we can still reclaim 01:51:09.700 --> 01:51:10.340 our youth 01:51:10.900 --> 01:51:11.680 because if we can get 01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:12.800 our youthful energy back 01:51:12.800 --> 01:51:13.520 our creativity 01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:14.440 and our imagination 01:51:15.100 --> 01:51:15.800 then these things 01:51:15.800 --> 01:51:16.760 don't have a chance 01:51:16.760 --> 01:51:17.840 at controlling us 01:51:19.120 --> 01:51:19.640 nice 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:21.540 I love this stuff 01:51:21.540 --> 01:51:22.340 oh my god 01:51:22.340 --> 01:51:23.380 it's such food for me 01:51:23.380 --> 01:51:23.860 I'm really 01:51:23.860 --> 01:51:24.900 really loving it 01:51:25.780 --> 01:51:26.880 we won't get through 01:51:26.880 --> 01:51:27.560 all the questions 01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:28.780 I know for a fact 01:51:28.780 --> 01:51:29.360 can you 01:51:29.360 --> 01:51:30.540 actually I didn't realize 01:51:30.540 --> 01:51:31.460 that you have a client 01:51:31.460 --> 01:51:32.240 in nine minutes 01:51:32.500 --> 01:51:33.740 okay good good to know 01:51:33.740 --> 01:51:34.280 excellent yeah 01:51:34.280 --> 01:51:35.400 so it's a natural place 01:51:35.400 --> 01:51:36.840 and maybe if there's 01:51:36.840 --> 01:51:37.960 an opportunity in the future 01:51:37.960 --> 01:51:38.700 we could meet again 01:51:39.240 --> 01:51:40.420 for a second conversation 01:51:40.420 --> 01:51:41.760 I'm thinking to go really 01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:43.100 deep on the masculine feminine 01:51:43.100 --> 01:51:45.240 if there was a second chance 01:51:45.240 --> 01:51:48.580 so let's see if we're gonna 01:51:49.280 --> 01:51:51.500 just start to wind up 01:51:51.500 --> 01:51:52.120 really quickly 01:51:52.120 --> 01:51:53.660 is there a message 01:51:53.660 --> 01:51:54.920 that you feel like 01:51:55.580 --> 01:51:57.340 humanity should get from you 01:51:57.340 --> 01:51:59.380 for anyone with ears to hear 01:51:59.380 --> 01:52:00.420 is there something that 01:52:00.420 --> 01:52:01.900 you can leave us with 01:52:02.500 --> 01:52:03.580 along those lines 01:52:03.580 --> 01:52:04.980 oh I mean 01:52:05.740 --> 01:52:07.140 just that invitation 01:52:07.140 --> 01:52:08.420 to become as authentic 01:52:08.420 --> 01:52:09.480 and honest 01:52:09.480 --> 01:52:10.440 with yourself 01:52:10.440 --> 01:52:11.380 about what you want 01:52:12.200 --> 01:52:12.740 to do 01:52:12.740 --> 01:52:14.260 what what you want to feel 01:52:14.260 --> 01:52:15.640 it was hard for me to admit 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:16.840 what I wanted to feel 01:52:16.840 --> 01:52:18.260 because I couldn't even 01:52:18.260 --> 01:52:19.180 give myself permission 01:52:19.180 --> 01:52:20.260 to imagine it 01:52:21.160 --> 01:52:22.360 and so I 01:52:22.360 --> 01:52:23.380 it took a lot of work 01:52:23.380 --> 01:52:24.440 to just sit inside 01:52:24.440 --> 01:52:25.680 of my actual desire 01:52:26.400 --> 01:52:27.840 what is it that is 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:29.440 I'm passionate about what 01:52:29.440 --> 01:52:30.920 what do I want my life 01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:31.820 to feel like 01:52:31.820 --> 01:52:32.580 or be like 01:52:32.580 --> 01:52:33.420 or look like 01:52:33.420 --> 01:52:35.040 and what would it feel like 01:52:35.040 --> 01:52:36.140 if it was all the things 01:52:36.140 --> 01:52:36.720 that I wanted 01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:38.220 and all that was really 01:52:38.220 --> 01:52:39.740 confronting but necessary 01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:42.040 and it's like creating a vision 01:52:42.040 --> 01:52:43.940 of what you want to do 01:52:43.940 --> 01:52:46.260 and then following the feeling 01:52:46.260 --> 01:52:47.860 of what that vision 01:52:47.860 --> 01:52:49.700 is showing you on how to get there 01:52:50.300 --> 01:52:51.960 and that's happening for me now 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:53.200 but just a few years ago 01:52:53.200 --> 01:52:54.160 it wasn't at all 01:52:54.740 --> 01:52:56.060 you know so I was 01:52:56.060 --> 01:52:57.600 I'm so thankful to 01:52:57.600 --> 01:52:58.900 had that breakthrough 01:52:58.900 --> 01:53:00.860 and I was not 01:53:00.860 --> 01:53:02.040 in a good place 01:53:02.040 --> 01:53:03.600 I was in a dysfunctional marriage 01:53:04.210 --> 01:53:05.100 all that stuff 01:53:05.100 --> 01:53:06.640 but I still was able to 01:53:07.520 --> 01:53:08.060 transform 01:53:09.140 --> 01:53:10.420 my life by 01:53:11.300 --> 01:53:13.000 just stepping into those 01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:14.460 feelings that I had been avoiding 01:53:14.460 --> 01:53:17.040 and it's so worth 01:53:17.580 --> 01:53:17.920 doing 01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:19.060 because we're meant to fall 01:53:19.060 --> 01:53:20.240 in love with our existence 01:53:20.840 --> 01:53:22.360 and I think that the fact 01:53:22.360 --> 01:53:23.900 that we exist is a miracle 01:53:23.900 --> 01:53:24.580 in itself 01:53:25.260 --> 01:53:26.260 and if we could just 01:53:26.260 --> 01:53:27.260 see that 01:53:27.260 --> 01:53:28.480 then we would take advantage 01:53:28.480 --> 01:53:29.500 of it and use 01:53:29.500 --> 01:53:30.600 each day 01:53:31.100 --> 01:53:34.000 in unique and powerful ways 01:53:35.160 --> 01:53:35.680 exactly 01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:37.820 if you're complaining about your life 01:53:37.820 --> 01:53:38.420 and then 01:53:38.420 --> 01:53:39.880 the bus 01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:41.320 nearly runs you down 01:53:41.320 --> 01:53:42.080 all of a sudden you're like 01:53:42.080 --> 01:53:43.360 oh my life is amazing 01:53:43.360 --> 01:53:44.120 thank you god 01:53:44.120 --> 01:53:44.840 like that 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:45.160 right 01:53:45.820 --> 01:53:46.120 yeah 01:53:46.120 --> 01:53:46.800 seen that 01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:47.900 and what's the best way 01:53:47.900 --> 01:53:49.080 for people to reach you 01:53:49.080 --> 01:53:50.380 say they want to take you up 01:53:50.380 --> 01:53:51.520 on some mentorship 01:53:52.140 --> 01:53:54.000 or one of your retreats 01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:54.680 or courses 01:53:54.680 --> 01:53:55.680 that you have to 01:53:56.280 --> 01:53:56.880 to take 01:53:56.880 --> 01:53:58.340 where do you like to be 01:53:58.900 --> 01:54:00.200 yeah I mean all that information 01:54:00.200 --> 01:54:02.100 is at joelchaffer.com 01:54:02.100 --> 01:54:02.780 you know my 01:54:02.780 --> 01:54:04.380 oh how did I get your website 01:54:04.380 --> 01:54:04.760 amazing 01:54:05.580 --> 01:54:06.680 and yeah 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:08.580 it's a great way to connect to me 01:54:08.580 --> 01:54:10.220 and you can sign up for 01:54:10.220 --> 01:54:11.960 a free 30 minute consult 01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:12.840 if you want to 01:54:13.360 --> 01:54:14.680 do some work that way 01:54:14.680 --> 01:54:16.880 but also 90 or 60 minute sessions 01:54:17.500 --> 01:54:18.280 are available 01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:19.860 and uh 01:54:19.860 --> 01:54:20.860 yeah we just 01:54:20.860 --> 01:54:22.120 I'm in Sedona right now 01:54:22.120 --> 01:54:23.160 we just completed an 01:54:23.160 --> 01:54:24.680 in-person workshop here 01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:25.400 over the weekend 01:54:25.400 --> 01:54:26.260 it was life changing 01:54:26.980 --> 01:54:28.000 the next one will be 01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:28.540 and uh 01:54:28.540 --> 01:54:29.700 on the beach in LA 01:54:29.700 --> 01:54:31.220 in April early April 01:54:31.820 --> 01:54:33.380 I'll be teaching at confluence 01:54:33.380 --> 01:54:35.040 and speaking at confluence 01:54:35.040 --> 01:54:37.000 in late April as well 01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:37.440 so 01:54:37.440 --> 01:54:38.240 yeah 01:54:38.240 --> 01:54:39.600 lots of ways to connect 01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:40.580 that's amazing 01:54:40.580 --> 01:54:42.100 I will see you at confluence by the 01:54:42.100 --> 01:54:42.380 ways 01:54:42.380 --> 01:54:44.180 yeah I already made plans for my 01:54:44.180 --> 01:54:45.320 son and I to go 01:54:45.320 --> 01:54:46.100 wonderful 01:54:46.100 --> 01:54:46.860 yeah 01:54:46.860 --> 01:54:48.740 and so here in the chat 01:54:48.740 --> 01:54:50.140 is the link for 01:54:50.580 --> 01:54:51.320 his website 01:54:51.320 --> 01:54:53.480 and you can also find him on 01:54:53.480 --> 01:54:55.960 Facebook and Instagram and X 01:54:56.660 --> 01:54:57.540 as uh 01:54:57.540 --> 01:54:58.840 other options I did 01:54:58.840 --> 01:55:00.060 share these earlier 01:55:00.060 --> 01:55:01.060 so I don't want to keep you 01:55:01.060 --> 01:55:01.820 because I know you're 01:55:01.820 --> 01:55:02.960 just going down to the 01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:03.840 to the wire here 01:55:04.580 --> 01:55:05.020 and 01:55:05.020 --> 01:55:06.940 but I'm going to stay on for a few 01:55:06.940 --> 01:55:07.200 minutes 01:55:07.200 --> 01:55:08.400 thank you so much Joel 01:55:08.400 --> 01:55:09.840 this has been just a beautiful 01:55:12.180 --> 01:55:13.720 I want to say all the words 01:55:14.380 --> 01:55:14.820 encounter 01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:18.340 it's really good to meet with you 01:55:18.340 --> 01:55:18.920 and uh 01:55:18.920 --> 01:55:20.400 I appreciate you having me on it 01:55:20.400 --> 01:55:22.120 I look forward to learning about you 01:55:22.120 --> 01:55:23.520 more on the 15th 01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:24.780 and uh 01:55:24.780 --> 01:55:26.020 we'll be having you on my channel 01:55:26.020 --> 01:55:26.980 soon with that 01:55:26.980 --> 01:55:27.340 so 01:55:27.340 --> 01:55:28.500 thank you everyone 01:55:28.500 --> 01:55:30.160 appreciate everyone that tapped into 01:55:30.160 --> 01:55:30.840 this talk 01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:31.980 and appreciate it Beth 01:55:31.980 --> 01:55:32.560 much love 01:55:33.160 --> 01:55:34.260 thank you so much 01:55:34.260 --> 01:55:35.400 all right take care 01:55:35.400 --> 01:55:36.040 you're welcome 01:55:36.040 --> 01:55:36.760 bye for now 01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:37.320 bye 01:55:39.220 --> 01:55:40.200 oh my goodness 01:55:40.200 --> 01:55:41.500 how beautiful was that 01:55:41.500 --> 01:55:43.200 we probably could have talked for 01:55:43.200 --> 01:55:44.080 you know I don't know 01:55:44.080 --> 01:55:45.580 10 hours or something like that 01:55:45.580 --> 01:55:46.220 non-stop 01:55:46.220 --> 01:55:46.940 I 01:55:46.940 --> 01:55:48.680 pretty excited I get to 01:55:49.260 --> 01:55:50.160 meet him in person 01:55:50.160 --> 01:55:51.260 in uh 01:55:51.260 --> 01:55:51.680 April 01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:52.860 I think you guys should all come 01:55:52.860 --> 01:55:53.400 to confluence 01:55:53.400 --> 01:55:54.240 we are going to have a 01:55:54.240 --> 01:55:55.040 House of Free Will 01:55:55.600 --> 01:55:56.320 event there 01:55:56.320 --> 01:55:57.300 not event so to speak 01:55:57.300 --> 01:55:57.920 but meet up 01:55:57.920 --> 01:55:58.860 there's uh 01:55:58.860 --> 01:55:59.280 I think 01:55:59.280 --> 01:56:01.120 three of us going so far 01:56:01.120 --> 01:56:02.480 so that's a pretty good little group 01:56:03.080 --> 01:56:03.860 and uh 01:56:03.860 --> 01:56:04.560 you're very welcome 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:05.820 accidental alchemist 01:56:05.820 --> 01:56:06.760 nice to see you here 01:56:07.380 --> 01:56:08.420 and uh 01:56:08.420 --> 01:56:10.140 Joel I missed this one 01:56:10.140 --> 01:56:11.040 I'll tell Tommy Hamilton 01:56:11.040 --> 01:56:11.920 from JRad 01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:12.540 you said hello 01:56:13.200 --> 01:56:14.520 and you're going to be there 01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:15.780 excellent Stacy Sunshine 01:56:16.320 --> 01:56:16.760 fantastic 01:56:17.440 --> 01:56:18.600 thank you for that 01:56:19.200 --> 01:56:20.380 Jay Heredico 01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:21.440 138 01:56:22.160 --> 01:56:22.680 so 01:56:23.240 --> 01:56:24.980 the way that conversation ended 01:56:24.980 --> 01:56:25.620 just around 01:56:25.620 --> 01:56:26.740 around visioning 01:56:26.740 --> 01:56:27.520 this is 01:56:28.020 --> 01:56:29.020 very synchronistic 01:56:29.020 --> 01:56:30.680 I'm going to go right on the heels of it 01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:31.000 and 01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:32.000 talk just 01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:33.360 for a moment 01:56:33.360 --> 01:56:34.640 about a new course 01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:35.720 so the last time 01:56:35.720 --> 01:56:36.900 I fell down 01:56:36.900 --> 01:56:38.600 if you want to go to Beth of Fresh Air 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:39.560 episode one 01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:40.440 you'll find out 01:56:40.440 --> 01:56:41.200 you'll find out 01:56:41.200 --> 01:56:42.520 how my summer went 01:56:42.520 --> 01:56:43.180 the injuries 01:56:43.180 --> 01:56:44.320 the knock them down 01:56:44.320 --> 01:56:44.740 the 01:56:44.740 --> 01:56:45.940 you know when I'm dealing with 01:56:45.940 --> 01:56:46.600 entities 01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:47.420 interference 01:56:48.120 --> 01:56:49.380 or just my own 01:56:50.040 --> 01:56:50.360 whatever 01:56:50.360 --> 01:56:51.320 it's hard to prove 01:56:52.100 --> 01:56:53.880 but it really did flatten me 01:56:53.880 --> 01:56:54.940 and it stopped things 01:56:54.940 --> 01:56:55.460 I was 01:56:55.460 --> 01:56:56.760 I was literally handicapped 01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:58.220 lost use of my hands 01:57:00.480 --> 01:57:01.440 and uh 01:57:01.940 --> 01:57:03.480 so I didn't know how to come back 01:57:03.480 --> 01:57:05.440 from the dead of that 01:57:05.440 --> 01:57:06.540 and you know 01:57:06.540 --> 01:57:08.120 a lot lots of healing took place 01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:09.200 and 01:57:09.200 --> 01:57:10.740 a lot of praying to God 01:57:10.740 --> 01:57:12.140 and how I usually 01:57:12.140 --> 01:57:14.300 will come from a place like that 01:57:14.300 --> 01:57:15.120 it's been my life 01:57:15.120 --> 01:57:16.600 has given me many experiences 01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:17.340 similarly 01:57:18.180 --> 01:57:18.660 and 01:57:18.660 --> 01:57:20.200 so I decided to get out 01:57:20.200 --> 01:57:21.540 and start talking to you guys 01:57:21.540 --> 01:57:22.400 and have conversations 01:57:22.400 --> 01:57:23.260 with people 01:57:23.260 --> 01:57:24.220 in my community 01:57:24.900 --> 01:57:26.340 and hearing from you 01:57:26.340 --> 01:57:27.060 where you're at 01:57:27.060 --> 01:57:27.900 give me one second 01:57:31.640 --> 01:57:32.820 and so what I heard 01:57:32.820 --> 01:57:34.100 is that people are having a 01:57:34.100 --> 01:57:34.800 difficult time 01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:35.720 to vision 01:57:35.720 --> 01:57:36.580 right now 01:57:36.580 --> 01:57:38.460 and to put anything out 01:57:38.460 --> 01:57:39.260 in front of them 01:57:39.260 --> 01:57:39.840 and uh 01:57:39.840 --> 01:57:40.880 it became this 01:57:40.880 --> 01:57:41.620 I've got this little 01:57:41.620 --> 01:57:42.700 sticker on my desk 01:57:42.700 --> 01:57:43.220 and it says 01:57:43.720 --> 01:57:45.000 how are you supposed to create 01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:46.080 when you think the world's 01:57:46.080 --> 01:57:46.580 going to end 01:57:47.520 --> 01:57:48.320 and so 01:57:48.320 --> 01:57:49.920 based on these conversations 01:57:49.920 --> 01:57:51.460 and getting these direct 01:57:51.990 --> 01:57:53.000 I'll say downloads 01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:54.300 for lack of a better word 01:57:54.300 --> 01:57:55.520 I was going to talk down once 01:57:55.520 --> 01:57:55.900 with Joel 01:57:55.900 --> 01:57:57.220 but we'll get into that 01:57:57.220 --> 01:57:57.900 some other time 01:57:58.720 --> 01:57:59.920 I was able to hear 01:57:59.920 --> 01:58:00.760 from people that 01:58:01.230 --> 01:58:02.480 this is what I could 01:58:02.480 --> 01:58:03.720 assist them with 01:58:03.720 --> 01:58:05.700 so I have taken a lot of time 01:58:05.700 --> 01:58:06.980 and energy to create 01:58:07.590 --> 01:58:08.660 a course called 01:58:08.660 --> 01:58:09.740 creator code 01:58:10.320 --> 01:58:12.280 and this is going deep into 01:58:12.280 --> 01:58:13.820 the deep programming process 01:58:13.820 --> 01:58:16.380 and deep into archetype work 01:58:16.380 --> 01:58:17.600 three archetypes 01:58:17.600 --> 01:58:19.220 that are particularly poignant 01:58:19.220 --> 01:58:19.700 around 01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:25.140 I've coined a new archetype 01:58:25.140 --> 01:58:26.020 called the alpha omega 01:58:26.020 --> 01:58:27.100 which is beginnings 01:58:27.100 --> 01:58:27.960 and endings 01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:29.560 happens to coincide nicely 01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:30.280 with the child 01:58:30.280 --> 01:58:31.300 and the alchemist 01:58:31.940 --> 01:58:33.360 the nature of the hero's 01:58:33.360 --> 01:58:33.960 journey itself 01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:35.180 as an archetype 01:58:35.180 --> 01:58:36.140 as we create 01:58:36.140 --> 01:58:36.920 through it 01:58:37.460 --> 01:58:39.400 what the purpose of that is 01:58:39.400 --> 01:58:40.400 how to 01:58:40.980 --> 01:58:42.280 use deep programming work 01:58:42.280 --> 01:58:44.060 to to get visioned 01:58:44.060 --> 01:58:45.880 and to become the visioner 01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:46.140 and this 01:58:46.140 --> 01:58:46.760 I've done this 01:58:46.760 --> 01:58:47.980 on my whole entire life 01:58:47.980 --> 01:58:48.740 and it was one of those 01:58:48.740 --> 01:58:50.540 like wow that's almost too obvious 01:58:51.140 --> 01:58:51.740 to have 01:58:52.360 --> 01:58:53.220 created that 01:58:53.220 --> 01:58:53.780 but 01:58:53.780 --> 01:58:54.720 there it is 01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:55.720 I had to hear it 01:58:55.720 --> 01:58:56.540 from you guys 01:58:57.200 --> 01:58:58.100 and so 01:58:58.100 --> 01:58:59.280 what I have done 01:58:59.280 --> 01:59:00.260 is put together 01:59:00.260 --> 01:59:01.340 this page 01:59:01.340 --> 01:59:02.360 I'm going to share it out 01:59:03.560 --> 01:59:04.040 and 01:59:04.040 --> 01:59:05.340 by Stacy Sunshine 01:59:05.340 --> 01:59:06.320 nice to see you 01:59:06.320 --> 01:59:07.040 glad you came 01:59:07.040 --> 01:59:09.000 oh and that just didn't work at all 01:59:09.620 --> 01:59:11.520 came my notes are mad at me 01:59:11.520 --> 01:59:12.220 so maybe it's not 01:59:12.220 --> 01:59:13.800 time to share the link 01:59:13.800 --> 01:59:14.720 this second 01:59:14.720 --> 01:59:16.100 might be in another second 01:59:16.660 --> 01:59:17.600 but what you can do 01:59:17.600 --> 01:59:18.600 is go to my website 01:59:18.600 --> 01:59:19.240 and the 01:59:19.240 --> 01:59:21.060 in fact there is a link below 01:59:21.060 --> 01:59:21.540 I believe 01:59:22.160 --> 01:59:24.020 at least to my archetype quiz 01:59:24.020 --> 01:59:25.380 so if you go 01:59:25.380 --> 01:59:26.560 and take 10 minutes 01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:27.200 to find out 01:59:27.200 --> 01:59:27.800 where you are 01:59:27.800 --> 01:59:28.680 on the path of purpose 01:59:28.680 --> 01:59:29.960 Joel's going to be doing 01:59:29.960 --> 01:59:30.500 my quiz 01:59:30.500 --> 01:59:31.520 oh I forgot to ask him 01:59:31.520 --> 01:59:32.140 if he did it 01:59:32.140 --> 01:59:32.560 darn it 01:59:33.100 --> 01:59:33.580 and 01:59:33.580 --> 01:59:35.120 and then I will send you 01:59:35.120 --> 01:59:36.100 a link to it 01:59:36.100 --> 01:59:37.560 so for anyone 01:59:37.560 --> 01:59:38.520 that signs up 01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:39.200 people are already 01:59:39.200 --> 01:59:40.060 starting to do that 01:59:40.060 --> 01:59:40.800 before 01:59:41.320 --> 01:59:42.900 or by the 15th 01:59:42.900 --> 01:59:43.580 I'm offering 01:59:43.580 --> 01:59:45.300 a three month guest membership 01:59:45.300 --> 01:59:46.360 in the House of Free Will 01:59:46.860 --> 01:59:48.000 this is my private 01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:48.460 membership 01:59:48.460 --> 01:59:49.940 where we talk 01:59:49.940 --> 01:59:51.220 if you think I'm talking 01:59:52.360 --> 01:59:53.460 being myself 01:59:53.980 --> 01:59:54.280 here 01:59:54.700 --> 01:59:56.260 on these broadcasts 01:59:56.260 --> 01:59:57.140 then I am 01:59:57.140 --> 01:59:58.420 but it goes deeper 01:59:58.420 --> 01:59:59.440 in the House of Free Will 01:59:59.440 --> 02:00:00.300 there's a lot more 02:00:00.300 --> 02:00:02.000 we can just throw off 02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:03.800 the gauntlets 02:00:03.800 --> 02:00:04.720 or you know 02:00:05.420 --> 02:00:06.540 what's the expression just 02:00:06.540 --> 02:00:07.720 we can just talk freely 02:00:07.720 --> 02:00:09.600 is what I'm mentioning 02:00:10.320 --> 02:00:10.620 so 02:00:10.620 --> 02:00:11.980 for anyone that signs up 02:00:11.980 --> 02:00:12.860 for creator code 02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:14.980 by the 15th 02:00:14.980 --> 02:00:15.600 then you'll 02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:16.520 get a guest membership 02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:17.460 for three months 02:00:17.460 --> 02:00:18.460 to the House of Free Will 02:00:18.460 --> 02:00:19.440 so it's been really fun 02:00:19.440 --> 02:00:20.800 there's a lot of activity 02:00:20.800 --> 02:00:22.000 a lot of activity 02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:23.500 in the law arena 02:00:23.500 --> 02:00:24.820 that has fallen away 02:00:24.820 --> 02:00:26.960 because I got so disillusioned 02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:27.600 by all the 02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:28.860 fake and gay law 02:00:28.860 --> 02:00:29.400 out there 02:00:29.900 --> 02:00:31.200 let's see if this works now 02:00:31.200 --> 02:00:31.720 aha 02:00:32.320 --> 02:00:33.860 so there's a link to 02:00:33.860 --> 02:00:34.820 creator code 02:00:34.820 --> 02:00:35.680 more information 02:00:36.620 --> 02:00:37.060 and 02:00:37.060 --> 02:00:38.260 yeah have a look 02:00:38.260 --> 02:00:38.720 and see 02:00:38.720 --> 02:00:39.760 if you want to be part of 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:40.320 what I'm calling 02:00:40.320 --> 02:00:41.200 the maiden voyage 02:00:41.200 --> 02:00:42.100 this is going to be 02:00:42.100 --> 02:00:42.740 a beta run 02:00:42.740 --> 02:00:43.120 because 02:00:43.120 --> 02:00:44.600 I've been doing this work 02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:45.480 for 25 years 02:00:45.480 --> 02:00:46.680 but I've never offered 02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:47.720 this course as 02:00:48.840 --> 02:00:51.060 in its exact iteration 02:00:51.060 --> 02:00:51.980 that it is now 02:00:51.980 --> 02:00:53.280 so I'm looking for people 02:00:53.280 --> 02:00:54.720 to help me co-create 02:00:54.720 --> 02:00:55.580 that means 02:00:55.580 --> 02:00:56.680 you'll be giving me 02:00:56.680 --> 02:00:57.880 feedback along the way 02:00:57.880 --> 02:00:58.780 you'll be part of the 02:00:58.780 --> 02:00:59.520 creative process 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:00.500 in that respect 02:01:01.360 --> 02:01:03.120 and I'll be making it 02:01:03.120 --> 02:01:04.300 you know well oiled 02:01:04.300 --> 02:01:05.200 machine for future 02:01:05.200 --> 02:01:06.420 visioneers to come 02:01:07.680 --> 02:01:08.820 so if you sign up at 02:01:08.820 --> 02:01:09.640 my website for 02:01:09.640 --> 02:01:10.920 either the archetype quiz 02:01:10.920 --> 02:01:12.180 or you go to any place 02:01:12.180 --> 02:01:13.500 on atbethmartins.com 02:01:13.500 --> 02:01:14.580 you can leave me a message 02:01:15.200 --> 02:01:16.320 that you'd like to learn 02:01:16.320 --> 02:01:17.320 more about this 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:20.340 and I'm making an early bird 02:01:20.340 --> 02:01:21.020 it is 02:01:21.020 --> 02:01:22.920 going to be 50% savings 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:24.320 until December 29th 02:01:25.020 --> 02:01:25.620 but like I said 02:01:25.620 --> 02:01:26.640 for anyone that signs up 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:27.520 by the 15th 02:01:27.520 --> 02:01:28.940 then it also comes along 02:01:28.940 --> 02:01:29.480 with a 02:01:29.480 --> 02:01:30.400 three-month 02:01:30.400 --> 02:01:31.880 House of Free will membership 02:01:31.880 --> 02:01:34.480 so I think that is 02:01:34.480 --> 02:01:35.060 all for now 02:01:35.060 --> 02:01:36.840 I also recently revamped 02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:39.480 a course 02:01:39.480 --> 02:01:40.680 and I'm calling it 02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:41.820 deprogramming 101 02:01:41.820 --> 02:01:42.880 because I realize 02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:43.900 that people are 02:01:44.820 --> 02:01:46.000 struggling to 02:01:46.000 --> 02:01:47.620 hear about this work 02:01:47.620 --> 02:01:48.760 but not really having 02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:50.520 the basic blocks 02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:51.000 and I 02:01:51.000 --> 02:01:52.120 at this time 02:01:52.120 --> 02:01:53.580 hadn't had a beginner course 02:01:53.580 --> 02:01:54.920 I always will create 02:01:54.920 --> 02:01:56.640 everything more advanced 02:01:56.640 --> 02:01:58.360 first and work my way back 02:01:59.040 --> 02:02:00.640 so then this is 02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:02.100 a newly revamped 02:02:02.100 --> 02:02:03.260 body of work 02:02:03.260 --> 02:02:05.000 giving you the basic tools 02:02:05.000 --> 02:02:05.740 so deprogramming 02:02:05.740 --> 02:02:06.180 that I think 02:02:06.180 --> 02:02:07.220 everyone should have 02:02:07.220 --> 02:02:08.660 for a lot of the reasons 02:02:08.660 --> 02:02:09.820 that we talked about today 02:02:09.820 --> 02:02:11.320 and thank you very much 02:02:11.320 --> 02:02:12.000 for all the stars 02:02:12.000 --> 02:02:12.840 and the ohms 02:02:12.840 --> 02:02:13.400 and the hearts 02:02:14.580 --> 02:02:15.580 that's really good 02:02:16.500 --> 02:02:18.300 what else was I going to tell you about 02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:19.560 you can 02:02:20.160 --> 02:02:21.000 apply to 02:02:21.000 --> 02:02:23.020 work with me one on one as well 02:02:23.020 --> 02:02:23.840 if for some reason 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:24.840 groups aren't 02:02:24.840 --> 02:02:25.520 the best 02:02:25.520 --> 02:02:26.780 place for you to get 02:02:26.780 --> 02:02:27.520 the inner work done 02:02:27.520 --> 02:02:28.140 and that's 02:02:28.140 --> 02:02:28.960 totally understandable 02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:29.600 some people 02:02:30.360 --> 02:02:31.360 need to go faster 02:02:31.360 --> 02:02:32.260 than they can in a group 02:02:32.260 --> 02:02:33.180 although there's a certain 02:02:33.180 --> 02:02:33.760 acceleration 02:02:33.760 --> 02:02:35.120 in the group as well 02:02:35.120 --> 02:02:35.720 and 02:02:36.280 --> 02:02:36.980 one of the things 02:02:36.980 --> 02:02:37.540 that I 02:02:37.540 --> 02:02:39.040 appreciate so much about 02:02:39.040 --> 02:02:40.480 those that I work with 02:02:40.480 --> 02:02:42.520 is they organically 02:02:43.300 --> 02:02:43.820 bond 02:02:43.820 --> 02:02:44.800 with each other 02:02:44.800 --> 02:02:46.700 I don't tell them to do that 02:02:46.700 --> 02:02:47.920 I literally have groups 02:02:48.440 --> 02:02:48.740 that 02:02:48.740 --> 02:02:50.240 three and four years 02:02:50.240 --> 02:02:51.340 after the fact 02:02:51.340 --> 02:02:52.860 when I hosted them for a course 02:02:52.860 --> 02:02:54.180 they're still meeting 02:02:54.180 --> 02:02:55.240 every single week 02:02:55.240 --> 02:02:56.400 since 2022 02:02:56.400 --> 02:02:57.480 or 2023 02:02:57.480 --> 02:02:58.580 or something like that 02:02:58.580 --> 02:03:00.080 it's astonishing almost 02:03:00.940 --> 02:03:02.160 I was joking to myself 02:03:02.160 --> 02:03:02.520 I 02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:03.880 I could pass 02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:04.620 from this realm 02:03:05.100 --> 02:03:06.380 but the work goes on 02:03:06.380 --> 02:03:07.800 and that's like miraculous 02:03:07.800 --> 02:03:09.320 so that's one of the major 02:03:10.220 --> 02:03:11.560 things about creator code 02:03:11.560 --> 02:03:12.120 in particular 02:03:12.120 --> 02:03:13.080 is going to be about 02:03:13.080 --> 02:03:13.700 connection 02:03:13.700 --> 02:03:15.000 and how creation 02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:16.160 hinges on 02:03:16.740 --> 02:03:17.960 our ability to work together 02:03:17.960 --> 02:03:19.120 Joel reflected that 02:03:19.120 --> 02:03:20.380 so perfectly today 02:03:20.380 --> 02:03:22.020 in terms of the community 02:03:22.660 --> 02:03:23.760 and his vision 02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:24.600 that he has for people 02:03:24.600 --> 02:03:25.400 getting together 02:03:25.400 --> 02:03:26.400 to do the work 02:03:26.400 --> 02:03:27.500 so that's really cool 02:03:28.020 --> 02:03:29.300 there's a whole lot of other stuff 02:03:29.300 --> 02:03:30.540 and I don't necessarily 02:03:30.540 --> 02:03:31.400 need to go in it 02:03:32.320 --> 02:03:32.840 all 02:03:32.840 --> 02:03:33.600 right now 02:03:33.600 --> 02:03:34.700 but that's the main highlights 02:03:35.300 --> 02:03:36.380 before I forget tomorrow 02:03:36.380 --> 02:03:37.780 I am going to be here 02:03:37.780 --> 02:03:38.600 for the Beth 02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:39.620 of Fresh Air Show 02:03:39.620 --> 02:03:40.440 which is a weekly 02:03:41.140 --> 02:03:41.920 Friday afternoon 02:03:41.920 --> 02:03:43.240 2pm Central Time 02:03:43.820 --> 02:03:45.180 usually solo show 02:03:46.220 --> 02:03:48.340 I started a series on cults 02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:49.620 in particular 02:03:49.620 --> 02:03:50.620 because I just 02:03:50.620 --> 02:03:51.880 I've been in cults 02:03:51.880 --> 02:03:52.640 and I feel strongly 02:03:52.640 --> 02:03:53.660 that people should know 02:03:53.660 --> 02:03:55.540 the signs of being in cults 02:03:55.540 --> 02:03:55.660 and 02:03:55.660 --> 02:03:56.900 like Joel was saying 02:03:56.900 --> 02:03:58.280 we're all so porous 02:03:58.280 --> 02:04:00.080 or a lot of people are porous 02:04:00.080 --> 02:04:00.980 and we want to 02:04:00.980 --> 02:04:02.160 trust and believe 02:04:02.840 --> 02:04:03.880 in the goodness of others 02:04:03.880 --> 02:04:05.040 but aren't really aware 02:04:05.040 --> 02:04:05.880 of the interference 02:04:05.880 --> 02:04:07.000 that's happening 02:04:07.680 --> 02:04:09.020 and so tomorrow 02:04:09.020 --> 02:04:09.440 we're going to 02:04:09.440 --> 02:04:10.300 talk specifically 02:04:10.300 --> 02:04:12.040 about the cults 02:04:12.040 --> 02:04:13.640 of natural health 02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:16.680 people don't think of that as a cult 02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:18.380 but it's totally a cult 02:04:18.380 --> 02:04:20.060 and if you get into discussions 02:04:20.060 --> 02:04:20.680 with people 02:04:20.680 --> 02:04:22.160 and start offending them 02:04:22.160 --> 02:04:23.980 with the facts 02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:24.900 then 02:04:25.640 --> 02:04:26.460 they start saying 02:04:26.460 --> 02:04:27.520 like I believe 02:04:27.520 --> 02:04:28.460 and I believe 02:04:28.460 --> 02:04:29.180 and I believe 02:04:29.180 --> 02:04:29.800 and it's like 02:04:29.800 --> 02:04:30.560 well the truth 02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:31.520 doesn't really depend 02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:32.600 on anyone's belief 02:04:32.600 --> 02:04:33.160 at all 02:04:33.740 --> 02:04:35.280 so Dagmar Stotsen 02:04:35.280 --> 02:04:36.580 Sova is going to be joining me 02:04:36.580 --> 02:04:37.240 she is a member 02:04:37.240 --> 02:04:38.120 of the House of Free Will 02:04:38.120 --> 02:04:38.880 she's been part 02:04:38.880 --> 02:04:40.540 of many natural health cults 02:04:40.540 --> 02:04:42.040 and so we're going to unpack 02:04:42.040 --> 02:04:43.360 that and go through it 02:04:43.360 --> 02:04:44.880 and look at all the ins and outs 02:04:45.380 --> 02:04:46.200 of how 02:04:47.020 --> 02:04:47.620 you know 02:04:47.620 --> 02:04:48.300 that operate 02:04:48.300 --> 02:04:50.340 and for sure 02:04:50.340 --> 02:04:50.920 from my side 02:04:50.920 --> 02:04:51.680 how to get out 02:04:51.680 --> 02:04:52.180 because 02:04:52.860 --> 02:04:53.800 we want the truth 02:04:53.800 --> 02:04:54.540 you want to 02:04:54.540 --> 02:04:55.880 like Joel was saying 02:04:55.880 --> 02:04:57.280 treat every moment here 02:04:57.280 --> 02:04:59.780 to be of the utmost value 02:05:00.400 --> 02:05:02.060 and so how do we do that 02:05:02.060 --> 02:05:02.860 how do we 02:05:02.860 --> 02:05:04.920 how do we facilitate enough focus 02:05:05.520 --> 02:05:06.100 part of it 02:05:06.100 --> 02:05:07.560 is that your vessel is 02:05:07.560 --> 02:05:08.620 is working 02:05:09.240 --> 02:05:10.180 it works for you 02:05:10.180 --> 02:05:11.480 and it's not constantly 02:05:12.020 --> 02:05:13.200 dragging your focus 02:05:13.780 --> 02:05:14.620 somewhere that 02:05:15.220 --> 02:05:15.560 you know 02:05:15.560 --> 02:05:16.860 you're forced 02:05:16.860 --> 02:05:18.160 to deal with that 02:05:18.160 --> 02:05:19.040 and there's no guarantees 02:05:19.040 --> 02:05:19.560 by the way 02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:20.520 when people are forced 02:05:20.520 --> 02:05:22.480 doesn't mean they do the work 02:05:22.480 --> 02:05:23.460 it really doesn't 02:05:23.460 --> 02:05:25.000 I've seen this over and over again 02:05:25.560 --> 02:05:26.340 getting you know 02:05:26.340 --> 02:05:27.580 smacked or hit 02:05:27.580 --> 02:05:29.280 or some scary diagnosis 02:05:29.280 --> 02:05:30.060 or whatever 02:05:30.620 --> 02:05:31.480 it it 02:05:31.480 --> 02:05:32.280 it doesn't guarantee 02:05:32.280 --> 02:05:33.540 you still have to choose 02:05:33.540 --> 02:05:34.700 to do the work 02:05:35.300 --> 02:05:36.720 so we're going to have a lot of fun 02:05:36.720 --> 02:05:37.480 with that tomorrow 02:05:37.480 --> 02:05:38.900 and you can join us 02:05:38.900 --> 02:05:40.240 at 2 p.m. Central time 02:05:40.240 --> 02:05:42.040 on the Beth of fresh air 02:05:42.040 --> 02:05:43.160 that was named by you guys 02:05:43.160 --> 02:05:44.560 who would sometimes message me 02:05:44.560 --> 02:05:45.500 and say that my 02:05:45.500 --> 02:05:47.040 live streams are 02:05:47.040 --> 02:05:49.020 like a breath of fresh air 02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:50.640 so that's where that 02:05:50.640 --> 02:05:51.500 thank you for that 02:05:51.500 --> 02:05:52.880 I appreciate it 02:05:52.880 --> 02:05:54.100 and yeah 02:05:54.100 --> 02:05:55.740 just huge hats off to Joel 02:05:55.740 --> 02:05:56.480 we are going to be 02:05:56.480 --> 02:05:57.660 meeting on Monday 02:05:57.660 --> 02:05:58.860 to do his podcast 02:05:58.860 --> 02:06:00.180 the fun part is that 02:06:00.180 --> 02:06:00.740 I originally 02:06:01.440 --> 02:06:03.000 when I originally approached him 02:06:03.600 --> 02:06:04.420 I was 02:06:05.120 --> 02:06:06.340 offering to send my book 02:06:06.340 --> 02:06:07.420 and would you like to 02:06:07.420 --> 02:06:08.300 interview me 02:06:08.300 --> 02:06:09.780 it took me weeks 02:06:09.780 --> 02:06:11.400 to realize oh my goodness 02:06:11.400 --> 02:06:12.800 I need to talk to this guy 02:06:12.800 --> 02:06:14.320 on my podcast 02:06:14.320 --> 02:06:17.120 and help spread his word out 02:06:17.120 --> 02:06:18.000 so I do recommend 02:06:18.580 --> 02:06:19.380 following him 02:06:20.100 --> 02:06:21.020 and who knows 02:06:21.020 --> 02:06:21.620 maybe I'm going to 02:06:21.620 --> 02:06:22.700 take him up on some of that 02:06:22.700 --> 02:06:23.660 private work because 02:06:24.400 --> 02:06:24.940 it's 02:06:25.560 --> 02:06:27.360 it's just so good to have 02:06:27.360 --> 02:06:28.100 mentorship 02:06:28.100 --> 02:06:29.960 doesn't matter how far ahead 02:06:30.500 --> 02:06:31.140 you are 02:06:31.140 --> 02:06:32.580 or how much work you've done 02:06:32.580 --> 02:06:33.660 or how much experience 02:06:33.660 --> 02:06:34.580 you think you have 02:06:35.220 --> 02:06:35.900 it's priceless 02:06:35.900 --> 02:06:37.280 to have someone to walk with 02:06:37.280 --> 02:06:39.480 and reflect back to you 02:06:39.480 --> 02:06:40.560 and all of that kind of things 02:06:40.560 --> 02:06:40.860 so 02:06:42.620 --> 02:06:43.500 oh yeah 02:06:43.500 --> 02:06:44.580 welcome to Dagmar tomorrow 02:06:44.580 --> 02:06:45.160 yeah I'm sure 02:06:45.160 --> 02:06:46.260 I was wondering 02:06:46.840 --> 02:06:48.000 or I was sure 02:06:48.000 --> 02:06:48.800 you were going to be excited 02:06:48.800 --> 02:06:49.400 about that 02:06:50.300 --> 02:06:50.960 so yep 02:06:50.960 --> 02:06:52.300 she's back for this 02:06:52.300 --> 02:06:53.440 show in particular 02:06:54.240 --> 02:06:54.860 all right 02:06:54.860 --> 02:06:55.300 my dears 02:06:55.300 --> 02:06:56.680 I think that's all for now 02:06:56.680 --> 02:06:58.140 so I hope you've had 02:06:58.140 --> 02:06:59.580 a good experience today 02:06:59.580 --> 02:07:00.120 like I have 02:07:00.120 --> 02:07:01.280 I feel high as a kite now 02:07:01.280 --> 02:07:02.440 I don't know about you guys 02:07:02.440 --> 02:07:04.140 but I'm definitely in an altered state 02:07:04.580 --> 02:07:06.220 which is really fun to explore 02:07:08.020 --> 02:07:08.900 and yeah 02:07:08.900 --> 02:07:09.580 see you tomorrow 02:07:10.300 --> 02:07:11.020 lots of love 02:07:11.020 --> 02:07:11.880 I'm going to 02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:13.140 play us out 02:07:13.140 --> 02:07:13.900 with 02:07:14.960 --> 02:07:16.540 something my son wrote 02:07:16.540 --> 02:07:17.640 see I've got a 02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:19.320 personality now with two shows 02:07:20.220 --> 02:07:20.740 and 02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:24.240 so I think that's it 02:07:24.240 --> 02:07:25.680 so much love to you guys 02:07:25.680 --> 02:07:26.700 bye for now