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Alright, alright.
Hello, what's going on? Brindle Abdullah, what's going on guys?
Is my microphone working okay?
Yeah, you're pretty good.
Okay, good.
Best I can do it for an hour, so...
No, we'll take it. We'll take it. It's not bad.
Alright, alright.
Brindle, how you doing?
How bad? Yeah. Can you hear me?
Yeah, yeah, it's good. You guys are both good.
Alright.
Um, so Minero Nodo guys, what do we got? Everybody's on the edge of their seats.
They've been on their seats for months now.
You can tell anytime in a day now. In a day, in a day.
Yeah, we're doing our best.
It's currently going through basically the final PC.
It's been a lot, guys.
I'm just going to say what we're out here in the public, you know, behind the scenes.
I could be quite cruel at times, so I apologize to them.
No, I fully understand it, man.
I know they're working their freaking asses off.
I have nothing that I can do other than tell them, fix this, fix this.
But yeah, they're doing a fantastic job.
And like I said, on the outset, while there have been delays due to fabrication reasons,
we haven't been sitting on their hands or they haven't been sitting on their hands since
they've been adding other features, fixing the bugs that we were noticing.
So there's been improvements and developments in the software.
So I don't know, Abdullah, if you want to quickly, I guess,
first just give like an overall status of what's going on with the project
when we could expect delivery, things like that.
And then we could get Brindle involved and he could talk about the actual software
and updates of where we're at, that.
Sure thing.
So the last update was that...
Brindle, if you could bring up the Noto, too.
If you can show it on your screen.
I think you have a video set up for it if you want to do that.
Yeah, sure. I can do that.
Oh, Jesus, the light. I'm sorry. Hold on.
No worries.
One second. Let me fix the camera angles to the light.
Abdullah will talk as you do that. Go ahead.
So we've given the factory, the guild, go ahead to manufacture.
And part of the delay is, well, they've got a major holiday coming up
October 1st to the 7th is National China Day or China Week.
Essentially, that's where everything is shut down.
That's part of the delay.
In the meantime, yep, this is the production sample with the new display.
There's been a lot of changes.
So perhaps I could skip over like the...
Well, let's give them the overall updates.
All right, we have the issue with the holiday and whatnot,
but what are we...
What can we say in terms of the risk point?
Yeah, October end might be pushed a week back,
but I made it clear and definitely the process has started.
So I know that despite any unforeseen challenges,
we'll still be able to get these at the end of October
at the very least.
Oh boy, end of our...
Are we guaranteeing that they will be at Moneratopia?
Can we guarantee that?
I mean, obviously, I have...
Yeah, that's the goal.
That's what I've been working for pretty much 24-7.
And so we've kind of been trudging along.
There's a lot of things we've added.
Most notably the new enclosure and display stuff,
but I want to get into like the new stuff that we've added
since we last spoke.
So there's the Monerica,
a directory for the circular economy.
And so that has introduced RSS feeds.
And so that'll show the latest additions
to the Monerocircular economy.
And of course, with XMR Bazaar,
hopefully we'll be able to later add the new additions
in the same way.
And...
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we have RSS feeds set up for that.
Yeah, Monerica is new.
That came out after we implemented the new feeds.
And so along with all the other feeds that we have,
Monerica is a new one.
And then we have new keyboards.
This is based off of customer feedback.
So along with the standard QWERTY keyboard,
we now have AZERD and Quartz,
which is used in Germany, I believe.
And also dedicated a numpad row on that keyboard.
Sync percentage, yeah.
And there's a new Wi-Fi selection menu.
Maybe if you go to device and Wi-Fi.
There we go.
Yeah, I'm kind of cautious on showing it
because my home network is on it too,
and I'd rather not show that.
But it does show networks.
Yeah, we'll get to that.
We'll streamline the menu.
Also mining, we've switched that from P2Pool
to solo mining.
We just thought it might give us
overall better odds of success.
In terms of mining.
And the hash rate, which we've tested,
is not much different to P2Pool mining.
P2Pool was slightly higher.
And with solo mining, we're getting around 700 passes per second,
which is...
Yeah, roughly between 600 and 700, yeah.
Also, we've got a new address lock.
So this will give a new pin locks basically
to lock the device as well as
lock the addresses on your device.
And we'll get into this in a later feature as well.
As well as the standard features
that we've had, Brindle's finish testing, LWS,
remote nodes that you can port forward
and use it over ClearNet,
which was part of the original use case.
So using it over your local network
and also port forwarding
and then using it remotely from another network,
still being able to access your node
at pretty much full speed.
Along with Tor and I2P,
which are slower, but yes,
they do get around a lot of problems
that we've had with node security
and just security in general.
Tor doesn't require port forwarding in any way.
And so if you're using Tor,
which is enabled by default,
then you don't need to go into your router
and change any settings,
port forward settings to access your node remotely.
It will be slower.
You'll need to access your node over Tor,
but you'll know that it's at least your node
and that the protocol,
the transactions are still being communicated
to the node over Tor or I2P.
And then some issues that we had in the field.
Things like corruption, things like this,
a lot of random bugs that we've fixed.
And also there's a recovery button,
perhaps you could show that.
It's a little close by, but there you go.
Please focus. Come on.
These are recessed buttons.
One of them says boot on the left
and one of them says RCBY,
which is recovery.
And what recovery will do
is essentially factory reset your device
in case anything breaks
like your screen isn't turning on.
There's some kind of corruption with blockchain,
any file system type of gremlin
that might have...
You have to understand that
we've tried to keep things as light as possible
in overlinux.
It really is an exceptional performance
with the new hardware.
But the complexity sometimes
can cause unexpected gremlins
and that's what we're still in the process of
QC and finding QC.
To make it all work together,
it's a lot, especially with all the extra features
and bells and whistles around the node itself.
Right.
Another cool new feature,
we've had translation
like 110 different languages.
And so we've added this to news as well.
Previously, news was just English.
But now, no matter what feed it is,
using an open source program
called Libre Translate,
which is running locally on the node,
that's going to give you translations
to pretty much all the languages
that we support.
Oh, that's awesome. That's amazing.
That's a great accessibility feature
for anyone.
And last but not least,
I know there's been a lot of
talk about the Monero circular economy
and Doug has been
kind of tirelessly advocating
for Monero adoption,
pushing for versions
to come on board,
not only personally,
with the show,
but with initiatives like XMR Bizarre.
And so growing the circular economy
has been very important to both of us.
And to that end,
we're very excited to announce a new feature
which will be available on release,
which allows users to accept Monero
directly via your node.
And this is done
via an open source project,
Monero Pay,
which is a simple backing
to receive Monero.
Brindale, there seems to be
some focus issue perhaps.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I was trying to get more lines.
Yeah, if you could pull it out a little,
maybe back away a little bit.
One second.
Okay.
And so bringing merchants
into the Monero circular economy
has been a mission, you know,
that we've been working towards.
And we hope to add in this mission
with Monero Pay,
which presents a simple
non-custodial point-of-sale interface
on Nodo,
and that will
use a center primary wallet
and view key
and it will generate
sub-addresses
and keep a track of
transactions on your device.
And the benefit of this
is that your funds could still be
on your primary wallet,
like your cake or whatever you first created your wallet,
whether it's Monero GUI
or...
And so the wallet is your own.
You just enter the, just like with LWS,
the primary address
and the public view key
and it'll use wallet RPC
to generate sub-addresses
each time we want to receive a payment.
It's still quite a lot of blur.
It is amazing that you guys
developed this additional feature in the meantime,
and I know,
I saw a lot of passion involved with it.
You guys were excited about this one.
You guys, when you were working on it.
Yeah, for sure.
It makes total sense, right?
You have a device with a screen on it.
Nine out of ten times you would be using this
in like a store
sale setting.
Why not put a QR code on it
to receive payments?
It's like perfect for it.
Yeah, it becomes a little POS system.
Yeah, you don't have to whip the phone out
every time you want to accept Monero.
The supermarket is a prime example.
It's there on the kiosk
and that's your dedicated Monero.
I was telling Abdullah
the holy grail would be if we could get to the point
where it then can kind of like
integrate with existing POS systems
like using APIs from
you know, like Square
or these other popular systems
where it could actually
use the hardware.
You know what I'm saying?
I think it can already support that.
Like most of those systems have
like integration with Monero
by themselves.
So if they could be pointed to this as a note
it shouldn't theory work.
Question mark, but I'm not
100% sure that I haven't researched it.
What would you guys
describe as the reasoning
as going in this direction versus
or you know
adding BTC pay server to this thing
or like, you know, what's the
what are the differences?
BTC pay
is quite a beast
in its own. Like it's not that server
I'm not like ragging on it here, but it's quite
large. It needs quite a bit of setup.
It's ideally
ran in Docker, which we don't
use on this device so it would be quite a lot of
overhand in itself.
It's primarily designed for Bitcoin
and it has Monero optionally
slept onto it.
Monero pay is made by people in the Monero community
for Monero.
It's very thin
and it sits between a Monero wallet
and whatever
UI you build on top of it, so it's
perfect for
what we were going for.
This allowed us to keep things really
light and focused on Monero.
Yeah.
Who's been contributing to Monero? Like who's
like the main dev behind Monero pay?
It's two people, Siren
and some other guy that I forgot the name of.
They also
made Metronero, which is their own point
of sale built on top of Monero pay.
I think it's MoneroPay.eu
is how you can get to there.
We gotta get them on the show
or maybe participating in the conference even.
That would be cool.
Yeah, maybe we make
Monero pay part of the
hackathon thing we're doing
with BTC pay server.
Maybe developing on that too could be understanding
and just throwing ideas out there.
Very cool, man.
Very cool guys.
This is super exciting that you've added
the pay terminal feature
in the POS system.
Tux, you got any questions
from what you've seen so far?
Looks pretty cool.
It's a really nice device
and I don't know if this was read out yet.
Your brother tipped $1.23.
How will you guys handle firmware updates
or any other updates to the console, etc.?
The device
runs there too.
It runs an auto-updater that runs once a day
that will include updates
for WM itself
along with updates for
all the sources that are used
for Monero D, Monero Block Explorer
and all the other ones.
They're all tailor made
for each source.
Monero only updates when there's a new release.
LWES
updates when there's a new tag, etc.
It runs that daily.
If you keep the device running
it'll update.
I think it's 3 or 4 in the morning
so it has to be as little
of an inconvenience as possible.
Any chance of firmware?
That is included
with the updates for Linux
as far as I know.
It's actually subscribed to
Flopt, the firmware update manager.
As far as I know, yes.
That's cool.
I have my Nodo
sitting here.
It was sitting dormant for a couple of weeks
just because
mine didn't have
that feature yet
so it needed to be manually updated
but we did it last night.
Now it should have
the late enough software
where it can auto-update.
We'll see tomorrow.
This will be a good test if I wake up to
anyway.
A more functional Nodo.
Perfect test environment.
You can turn the camera on
for a second.
I want to emphasize
that
since
I hope I can
go into this a little bit more
because there's a lot
and it's hard
to communicate all this
via text, via channels
or
what have you.
Just
to give context to the whole thing
we started
late 2021
when I restarted
with this idea
about doing
a plug-and-play node.
I had surveyed
the landscape
and the hypothesis
was that
there's this
huge market for hardware
a lot of it is controlled by these mega
corpse
on the very high end
and on the consumer level
there's
overtime
and erosion of
building stuff
like the hacking culture
that maybe
the early value started out
plugging in
different chips and stuff
trying to
make
all kinds of things
and
given how difficult
it is to get the right
tool and to be able to
even know that
you need a particular set
of tools over something else
for example mobile
everything is pretty much locked down
by the manufacturer
from the get go
there are very few exceptions
I think graphing on
XO is one of them
and it works
great
that's one of the
that's probably the
way to go and part of that
goes back to self-custody
of your hardware and so what
we've built is really just scratching
the surface of what's possible
we've had a vision to
develop
node features
and we've slowly added
usability features
after care for consideration
each time and so
since we started
the hardware spec
along with everything else
has changed
drastically and right now what we're
looking at is the 32GB
model with
all the
iterations that were made
to the enclosure and
UI as well
which is a bespoke UI
using
again Qt open source
and so it's highly custom
and we've
ensured that it's running
off of GPU so it's not going
to take resources away
from whatever
the node is doing at the
time and so what we're
allowing essentially is full control
and
over your
hardware you're free to flash
this to
run whatever OS you're
free to and there's
no essential
lock on hardware
to that extent
and
I mean there's a lot more to
explore with just
node or adding more stuff
as we go along
there's a lot of cool stuff that we had to
leave behind or differ
indefinitely
things cool stuff
like the
TX city I believe it's called
or TX street
yeah that's
a cool thing
I want to get that up there man
I want to get that up there
it would look really fantastic
60 frames per second
running off of
the OLED display
so we'll get there
it's important for us to
really
hunker down and focus on
what really matters
like the original focus
which was to be a node
and maybe if I could just
show like the extent of
yeah I'm going to share my screen
just to show you guys some picture
you think we ever get to the point where
it's like people are
building apps that you could
then you know there's
a Monero Nodo store
where you can download apps
that have run on the Nodo
I think we've already gone
in that direction already
just that we've already
selected LWS
Monero Paying
just to re-iterate
I mean when this project first started
right
our mission was to just create
a plug and play Monero node
at the time the attempt
was the Monero box
which thank you
to that gentleman as well
he was helpful with us in the early days
and
you know we're sitting there we're looking at
we're trying to create basically
the mission was
make it something that
somebody like me can just plug in
and it runs a full node
and that you can then easily
connect your cake wallet
or your Monero user wallet to it
so you're running your own node
using LWS that was really
the feature set
that we were going for which we've achieved
and
Brindle actually I want to ask you about that
how
easy are we
is that at this point but let me just finish
my larger point here
but then from there the project really did grow
once we realize all right we're going to have
these devices sitting on people's desks
why not
what happens if we add a
screen to it and start to just take advantage
of the fact that you now have a narrow
piece of hardware sitting
in people's desks in their stores
in their businesses
and once you add a screen
and things like that
the potential is really endless
with what we can do it can be much
more a Monero
plug-and-play node first and foremost
but it really can be
a piece of hardware that becomes quite usable
for Monero users
yeah so
adding a wall
LWS
yes LWS
it's pretty easy to add
with Monero you have to manually
add the address to LWS
on the device in order to
have it work because my Monero doesn't
send like a request
to add the wallet to it
that's just a my Monero thing
with Edge, Edge does send
a request to
the LWS daemon
on the device and you have a little menu where you can
just hit accept or deny
when it's added it'll
look for new transactions
24-7 or at least as long as you have the node
running and whenever you want
you can load up your
my Monero or Edge wallet
and it'll instantly have your
balance and you're ready to send
with other wallets it's pretty easy to add
you just look up on
networks and then
on ClearNet it'll show the local IP
to which you can connect
I've done it on the official Monero wallet
I've done it on Feather wallet
I've done it on Cake wallet
I've done it on Monerio
and it all works out of the box just fine
it's very easy to do
it's about as straightforward as
any other node except that it shows you
what you need to enter
yeah
the address is displayed and you just enter
that into your node
add as node, enter the address
to be clear though
we're not there with Cake yet right
in terms of using LWS on Cake
yeah Cake does not have LWS
and I would love if it was ended
because it's such a nice feature
same with Monerio
I would love if it would support
Tux you've got to make that happen
I thought we had some
what are you doing here Tux?
we had some pull over
Cake what's going on
we have
definitely talked about it
one of the concerns that was brought
up recently
was in terms of the user experience
because we're thinking about if we had
this feature for
we want to make sure that
we provide
guide tutorials for people to set this up
even without a Monerio node
obviously if they have a Monerio node it's more ideal
and I myself haven't looked into
how simple the setup is yet
because it sounds like it's not the easiest thing to setup
and then of course you have to actually
accept the
the wallet
like invitation
on the LWS side
and that was actually one of my projects this week
that I was going to start yesterday
that
got interrupted abruptly
was setting up LWS on my end
and making sure I understand the flow
so that would be easy enough
but I didn't get to that for obvious reasons
but yeah we're
talking about it
and
we have
so much bandwidth and we're really
trying to hone in on
focusing on fixing a bunch of longstanding
Monerio issues
so we want to deal with that first but
we're definitely
trying to
push for that if we can
at least I am, I want it to happen
but there's certain things that get prioritized
and it's I can't just
say let's do this necessarily myself
because I want to right
but don't worry about trying to make it happen
well if you need any help with it
you know where to find me
yeah like I said
Islands
yeah yeah
come collab with Brindle
I know
Seth said too he had his eye on it
as well so I'm sure
I know Vic will definitely get a little
once he sees these things up and running
and you know people are adding
other competing wallets
with all of the US I'm sure
Kake will quickly
it's such a nice experience
especially when you're out and about
and you're in a store and you don't have to wait 10 minutes
to get the recent like five blocks
yeah have you been
so have you been like living out
have you been using it in that regard
yes I have
mostly online though I haven't found anyone IRL
who wanted to accept Monero
I live in the Netherlands
and people here
they don't even use cash anymore everybody just uses
debit cards
everywhere so
to even begin about Monero
why would I do that
taking over over in your country
any chance
we get you over to Mexico City
no not a chance man I'm sorry
BA
and going to no plan Hannibal or plane
I'm not going to do it sorry
I hate planes I hate heights
I live in the lowest
country in Europe so
okay
maybe I'll see it Monero
we'll come over to him at some point
how about that
maybe you can drive over to Monero
he could make that happen
and Abdullah we were really hoping to have him
in Monero Topia but it's going to be
difficult for him for his
travel situation as well with visas
and stuff
so we'll definitely have a remote
talk
maybe it could be a workshop right because we'll have the
notos there
maybe it could be some kind of remote
workshop but yeah
there'll be a noto presence
if there's ever a Monero Topia
in Europe I will definitely attend
oh word
okay I don't know
that's Monero Khan's
the territory
Monero Khan is in Europe
yeah
we all have weird funny
languages
let me just
pull up
go ahead
ask your question
I have a question about the device
because I remember
in the specs I remember a while
maybe a few months ago there was a change
in regards to I think how much RAM it has
and it also changed the price
so if you could just give clarity
on
what people are getting who had
purchased it at the previous price
with the previous specs are they getting exactly that
true thing
yeah happy to go into that
it's
part of the iterations
that we went through
when we started
out we had
a different processor which was a six
core and as we
gradually built up
new technology also came out
and then the need for better
technology as well like with the display
and so we
then migrated to
from 16 to
32 gigabytes of RAM
and
part of the reason for that is
just to
expand
the usability
of Nodo we found
that
given certain situations
like the black marble attack
some certain nodes were
kind of
struggling and it
wouldn't certainly hurt to have
extra bandwidth and it's
serving us really quite well
it really enables
a whole lot of
other stuff that we can do
with the device that we wouldn't have
been able to otherwise
along with
a terabyte
to a two terabyte SSD
of as standard and so
what you see is pretty much
what everyone will be getting
everyone will be getting
the latest and greatest
Nodo with 32 gigabytes of RAM
with the
two terabytes of SSD
and the
eight core processor and the
fantastic OLED display
along with all the work
that we've put into on
the UI itself
and going forward I think
I should point out that
I would say
to underestimate
the time it would take
to accomplish a project like this
with
the
given the size of our team and
I think it's really quite
an amazing feat that
everyone has
been able to pull together
and
I just want to kind of
give a shout out to the
Minero devs
and Dan Sherman as well
who's been
by Nodexmr
and
so starting point for us
obviously
Nodo has now become its own thing
an entirely different device
partly due to
the nature of
the customizations
for the hardware
but in essence
what Dan has been doing and the devs
have been doing tirelessly
shipping away full time
it really is
it really inspires
to want to build
and things may
take time but definitely
we do have the
the capability to
to build
our own infrastructure and I think
self custody of hardware
and Nodo being kind of like
the low energy
portable device and then
after release we can
look into how to scale that up
one of the things with the Nodo design
was just as with Minero
it was very carefully the
stack and the hardware
and
the things that
made tiny little decisions
things like using
Debian not using Docker
and the custom stuff
like having SSDs on board
having an RTC on board
which is basically
a real tank clock
on your device which
most single board computers don't have
and so all
the
aspect of
moving from 16 gigabyte to
32 gigabyte was really
something that
wasn't an easy decision to
make because we knew 16 would be
great for today but
you know there were
some doubts given
the
future changes to the Minero protocol
where we could see
a serious slight
I think the size increases
to the transaction
before and after the Seraphis
and
possibly with starting with
the full chain membership
as well which is likely to have
some impact
and so
yet working
with Artec who was also
really helpful in
giving
direction as to how
we could
measure our scaling
ability on
device and so
I would say that
what we've come up with is really an
optimal configuration and it didn't
really make sense to
ship a 16G
device especially given
the negligible cost
increase and
the potential
performance benefit as a result
yeah
I mean first and foremost just
going to say Abdulla man amazing job
amazing job obviously had a lot of people
helping you out in different ways I know you
weren't the dev
necessarily coding things
but you were the project
manager the leader the
visionary obviously with my
my far-fetched ideas
but you
you brought it all
into reality into fruition
and you drove it home
amazing job man
and
you have an amazing design
ability I mean you see it in
the way that Nodo itself has designed
the branding
I mean this guy is
an artist in addition to being
a tech
designer savant
and he puts
a ton of effort into these things and he
just has amazing creative abilities
and project management
abilities and amazing amount of
patience oh my god
amazing amount of patience really
so mostly in communicating
with me I can be
quite harsh sometimes god damn it
Abdulla but
he's taking it
taking it to this
far and we will get it across the finish line
and I do want to say
what do I want to say oh yeah
only seven left so
if you go to
add cart here
here's a little thing we might want to fix
I mean it's just a website thing you got to select this first
okay
there's only one color though right
they're all mineral orange
everybody's
getting the founders edition
everybody like
like Abdul has said
is getting the latest upgrades
so I guess
I want to touch on that so people who
had paid before because it was like it was
cheaper before they're basically getting
grandfathered into this new version
I'm understanding what you were saying
yes yes I think we
had asked people to give us
some more payment if they didn't
but it doesn't matter where
people haven't those that haven't
they're being included everybody's
getting everybody's getting a note out here
everybody's getting a note
you get a note out here
let me quickly move the level
real quick
besides
dirty of the pre-order
users did in fact
we did offer them a discounted
price to upgrade like not
the full difference in price
but like half of that
and it's like
almost everyone
had so it wasn't really a thing
we knew everyone was
going to get
everybody was on board
also I want to say in terms
of future
release schedules
it really has been difficult to
time things down and especially
the first time around
there's just so much
different
streams
involved not just software
and I want to say I hope
like the stuff we did
kind of goes skin deep it's not
just the beauty of the enclosure which is
really
a lot of detailing went into that no doubt
but the interface as well
and we hope like a lot of the
logic and
the little stuff
that we hope really gets
a good experience out of
using your note
on your value and narrow tip to
dollar great show as always thank you so much
man thank you so much
and another tremendous thank you
to obviously
you know Abdullah and Brindle
and Cheon and everybody
that's been building it
and Arctic Mind that helped out
and everybody but
to everybody that bought one that was an early
adopter took the risk with us
stayed along
for the long ride and waited patiently
just getting updates
in the chat but being
excited about the fact that we were
continuing to develop on it
tremendous thank you to everybody this thing
absolutely would not happen
if people didn't give us trust
in the beginning so
I thank you for trusting me
because I think that was really the role I
played in this is guys
trust me because I have these people
building it and
people came they took
shot they bought these
without knowing if we'd make it to the finish line
so greatly appreciate all
the early adopters all the founders
it's tremendous help
we're putting a lot of money
into this project at the end of the
day and the fact that everybody
pre-ordered took a lot
of weight off our shoulders we only have
I think we're saying only
yeah we're only saying six left in stock
because we'll have a few that
we'll keep on hand that we're going to bring down
to the conference maybe sell
a few in person but other than that there's
only six that are left to order
online of the first
hundred order this is a really
cool device guys I mean yeah
it cost a little bit of money but
it's very very custom right this
isn't some off to the shelf
rebranded
like no or one of those
small pcs you can buy it's got
a bit more of a custom
hardware which
is pretty cool and of course the actual
case is very high quality
and I've seen I've seen one I
saw it
in Benercon
and then I saw it in New York at Doug's place
a very nice device very high quality
the screens looks amazing
because of the OLED and
it's got really good specs as well
so yeah it's a fully
custom SBC fully custom
case and the price
isn't so bad once you consider the
overall package
it really is
quite quite good value
considering what you get for
your money most mobile
phone started a thousand dollars most
flagships at least start there
and they're not I mean they don't have
this kind of flexibility there
you can't plug in I mean you may be able
to plug in displays and stuff which you can do
with noto but
you know this has ethernet this is like
a conventional computer
and it has
like a super charged
everything all integrations
the ports are the latest the fastest
the
Wi-Fi and the Ethernet
as well and so
it really is a no compromise
approach
and if I remember correctly this is still
this rock chip the RK3588
that's still a
decent amount faster than the Raspberry Pi 5 isn't it
yeah it's way faster
faster
with the 32 gigabyte
RAM and with you know all the integrations
on board there's no bottlenecks
and so
the actual performance is
likely to be you know way higher
especially at higher loads
and
for
next batches I would say we're
I mean this this is probably
we're close to
having
post out the first batch
of the orange devices
the next batches will be
silver and black
and
we might just use a quarterly
release schedule that's just
easier for me to
kind of
because
you know monthly or you know timing
even though future batches are
likely to be more predictable
because there's less
there's less variables
but already have
completed
QC of the software
and
you know
the design has
has already gone through like one major batch
and so
it'll be
just a matter of
kind of saying okay give us
100 more and
just waiting for them to
give us that even though you know it's
tricky China's tricky but
there's always compromises with hardware
right and I personally had to
apply out there to kind of personal risk
maybe I'm exaggerating
but you know it's it's it's always
been a thing
rather without going into like
the CCP aspect
of the whole thing
the industries bunch
and they do
have like the
we did guarantee
certain things like being able to
have like the full schematic
of the hardware that the block
diagram and all the
the whole
diagram of the hardware
layout so that you know
that we can have it
verified and we knew what
we were getting
and so
so
yeah I mean
it's just
it's been a great labor of
love I would say to get to
this point it's really
I mean
I do want to ask
John do I ask this earlier in the show
I hope he's since been convinced
then as to as to why
I use one of these instead of running my idea on a computer
well I think it's right there
it's a unique device
designed for a specific purpose
and yeah you could
run Minera D on a normal computer on any
Linux computer this is just a Linux computer
after all but it comes with a nice
kind of built out
interface for the ecosystem
where you can install stuff easily
and if you're someone who just wants something
that's quick and easy
and will be continually supported
this might be for you
and it's such a cool unique device
anyway by itself
yeah and I think
there's something to the fact that
it is built just first and foremost
for the purposes of running a reliable
plug-and-play dedicated
node as described
right in Minera what is the Minera node
unproved optimized dedicated
dedicated being the keyword right so the idea
is that this thing is running
24-7 plugged in somewhere
and that you're relying on it
as your own personal note can you do it on a
computer sure you can
but this allows you hopefully
to do it in a way where you have a machine
just dedicated for that purpose
so if anything happens with your
computer using for other things now you
just want your node running 24-7
so it's always usable you connect to it
with LWS and then obviously all these
other reasons we're talking about
right because then it becomes more than
just a node becomes
a little Minero computing device
for various Minero related apps
and just like Demi is saying
you know if you're
experienced and you want to do on your computer
that's totally fine but if you're a noob
then yeah setting setting that up
all that stuff up and
not just setting it up but then
maintaining it making sure it works if there's
any problems with it that can be a lot for someone
who's not experienced like not everyone
has their computer on 24-7
yep so this is an easy way
that anybody can go
you plug it in and it just
works you don't have to think about it really
you don't have to think about the source it's
necessary for running a node like
oh do I have 200 gigabyte
spare on my my laptop's hard drive
yeah there's no complexity
that goes with running a node
plus all your other stuff
this is really the recommended way
running a Minero node I would say
just node on device nothing
you know as little
as possible
and so we've really kind of
taken that
to the extreme keeping
just monarity and just a bunch of
value value added
sort of stuff
there's one over there
I do have one more question if I could ask before
move on to the news
built for Tumen
to be able to use it's literally
I was literally the monkey that they're testing
it on so
that is what it's built for
it's built for
node has only
a pin unlock
or possible with a long password too
so there's actually
an admin password that set
up at first boot so the first time
you open up node and you turn it on
you'll be met with a screen you'll have
to change your own password
and we've done this because we didn't want
to just set a default
password Minero node and
have you
you've not changed it ever
and that be a risk to
promote SSH
access
and so you'll be
kind of forced
to set a new pass admin password
for your device at first boot
and you'll be asked to
set your two different
pins one of them being the device pin
which basically locks your screen
right so if you just want to lock
your screen and not be able to access
like the settings on the device
that's one pin
and then there's the address pin
and this is a bit more
complex but it's quite clever
actually what this does is locks all
addresses including the
minor deposit and the Minero
pair address and the idea being
that if
I'm an admin running a bunch of stores
five different stores I have five
devices at each store
and I just set my own
wallet my primary
wallet and view key on each device
and
one set that locks
behind an address pin
and you can only change that
with the special address pin
and so
the idea being that you just need to have them
your anyone can pretty much
use access to the device
without being able to
modify or reroute
payments potentially it's just
one of those. Right yeah if this
NoDo is sitting in you know
one of these Minero
marijuana dispensaries here
where they're accepting Minero
cash and Minero payments
the people working at the store
will have access to the NoDo
to manipulate in some ways
but they won't be able to change the addresses inside
right so it becomes
it becomes a POS system
that can't be taken advantage of
by any of the employees
at a place that's running it
I'll do one more question if I can ask
true good
so you mentioned that
it has
it's including Minero pay I haven't used that
myself personally I would
like to try it out I do really like BTC pay
server
and I know
you were looking into having
that as maybe not coming
with it but being something that could be installed and I know
there's an aversion to Docker
on the device which I don't
really personally have a problem with
would it be
would it be something that you're looking into
maybe like okay so somebody wants
to use BTC pay server there's a script
an easy script that'll just install Docker
and all that stuff for the user if they want to
I could work on that yeah sure
because I mean obviously someone
like me I can just install it if I want to
regardless I'm just thinking of
there's probably going to be a lot of people that
will want BTC pay server anyway just because
of how accessible it is
you can tell me what the benefit of BTC
pay server is over Monero
just curious
I couldn't tell you myself because I haven't actually
used Monero pay I'd like to try out Monero pay
myself
I'll look into it soon for sure
no UI on Monero pay itself right so
that's why I went for it
I didn't really
get a chance to really
talk about
really BTC pay and Monero pay
in depth BTC pay
of course we could certainly
run the BTC pay server
Monero focus store
or otherwise
and
the question remains is what it's going to look
like on device like it's not going to have
integration with
no UI and so
we're going to have to build interfaces or at
least display
the BTC
UI
we could have a little web view for it
yeah that could be done but then you know
it's not going to look
and part of
of course there was the issue with Docker
and
it's not really an issue it's more
a design choice really
and is integrated
as possible
it might be a little bit darker but
yeah
yeah it was very easy
at the beginning to kind of just throw everything
in with Docker that was
like the obvious choice but
at the very beginning we were faced
with this and we kind of
chose to go the
native route basically running
on Linux
and one of the other
advantages with Monero pay is that it
allowed us to
it doesn't have
features BTC pay
server has like you know products
with preset
amounts stuff like that
so it's really very simple
interface which allowed us
to also control the
the front end of it
so it really
fits in with
everything else on
the note of UI
yeah really all Monero
does is it automatically
checks for new payments to certain
addresses that it creates and it has a little callback
URL
that it'll send a request to when
the payment is done which is very easy to work
with
so it's something that's a bit more custom it has to
be taken advantage of
yes and you build the UI
or the thing on top of it
yeah we will
you know we'll have this thing as I said
obviously running at Monero Topia
will be the nodes that people can
connect to locally down there
you know hopefully that will improve
the infrastructure people will be able
to more quickly sync their
wallets but in addition
we'll get a vendor
vendor or two to have
a note of sitting out in front
on their stand perhaps
and we could be testing out
Monero Pay POS system
that would be super cool
at the conference 100%
we're going to have BTC pay there
competing as well so it should be
interesting actually
it amounts to 50 cents
even for non-nodes you want your node
to be isolated not have other
process running while excited as you would
on your Windows or Mac
computer
very true
alright guys
I tortured you guys enough
one more thing
very small thing
because I was thinking about it
it has I2P on board it uses I2PD
which is a simpler implementation
C++ instead of the big bloated
I2P Java
I don't hate it but it's not meant
for this device but
this also means that if you have
your node you can just use it
also alongside it as an I2P
router that you can connect to
so you can use your little
I2P dedicated browser and connect
it to the node and browse I2P websites
if you want to
just a simple
small feature but it's nice to have because it's
another dedicated thing that you just
use it for because I2P works better if you keep
it running for long periods of time
which not everybody with a laptop can do
adoption with I2P
that's always been it's
a QECO and
I would love to see more adoption
than I2P because it's such a cool network
compared
to Tor it's way more
will we take for the node to run a Tor
node no that's not in the cards right
it runs a Tor node
oh it's running a Tor node
and an I2P node
yeah holy shit
and you also have the ability to
route all connections through Tor
so how much space
is that taking up on the node
the Tor node
not a whole lot no
a few megabytes
I obviously have no Tor
knowledge
very cool
amazing yeah because one of the
urban hackers is going to be giving a
workshop on Tor
down at Minerotope as well
and trying to convince people to
run their own Tor node
yeah so in addition
to contributing to the Minerot network
by running your own node you're also contributing
to Tor and I2P
you also get the benefits
of those as well
it's already talking about running an actual
like a Tor Relay
server
yeah maybe that's why
are you talking about like running the Tor
Damon locally for you to use Tor
yeah I mean is there benefits
to the network when you're running a Tor
Damon locally or it's only
not that much
okay
that's what I'm meaning it would be running a Tor Relay
right so to run a Tor Relay
what are the constraints of that
just bandwidth
yeah just a bit of bandwidth
and the very tiny possibility
of the Fats knocking on your door because they think
if you're running an exit
well true
what I'm getting at would it ever make sense to run
Tor Relays on could that be an app
on the no-no would that make sense
it could be a simple
setting it doesn't have to be
a whole app on its own it can just be a simple
setting if you want I could have that
if you want
we've also considered VPN as well
you know incorporating a simple
like just entering your IVP
or low-fat
credentials or something
and just connecting
giving you an interface
to set your VPN on
device
you know there's
we'll just say stop
this is we're going to stop
now and then
we're going to worry about adding
all the cool stuff later
and really
you know
focus on what we do
have currently
which is also cool stuff
yeah and there is
we look forward to hearing from everyone
there's been a lot of great feedback
we've incorporated a lot of stuff based off of
just people
talking on one of the channels
or you know just asking hey
can we do this and
saying yeah we could do that
no problem
accessibility stuff like the keyboards came about
that way Doug he requested
news app news
and you know
nicer display
and so it really has become this
like the cool device
that everyone seems to want
that is going to draw attention to
even though it's really
simplifying the whole process
of getting like the basic
stuff done with it
relaying transactions through it
accepting payments
and LWS
stuff you know accessibility
again
yeah I do really love the idea of adding
potentially Tor relay just keep
putting that on the list of
potential things that we might want to add
I should point out that once this is
out there once you know we'll get there
eventually and once this is
really out there
and we begin to
kind of get into the next batches
I really want to
really have time essentially
to focus on
merchant adoption
I think there's been some talk
about you know getting those
fantastic flyers out there
getting merchants
involved so it could be
kind of layered not just
adoption with Monero but
making accessible
the receiving of payments
and the whole stack
of
that may
I mean we
get these to the point where I could start going
to these weed dispensaries here
in New York and be like hey you might want to add
one of these to your store so you can accept
Monero payments and it integrates
with your POS like
that's the holy grail we get to that point right
and now we're
we're onboarding stores
and it's making sense to them
they're not dealing
with cash which is
you know dangerous right where they
people come in and rob them take all their cash
they're dealing with
untraceable digital cash
that they're
nobody can steal from the store I mean it's like
there's real utility there
we just need to continue
to build out the ecosystem that
allows them to do that easily
I see tux gas trying to move us along
before we go another tight quest
until it gets time constrained so am I
but thank you guys
for coming on and showing
showing off the note it's
very cool product and I'm excited for it myself
I just want to end on one
the one last thought right is
you know the reason we're talking
about I run a dedicated note
the reason why I'm running for the noobs out there
right it's important to run
your own node so that
it makes your essentially
makes your use of Monero
more untraceable and untrackable
you're not taking the risk
of going through some
you know malicious node
that's scanning your
usage of Monero that knows
every time you're trying to send a Monero transaction
that can see your IP
so it allows you to use
Monero the most private and secure
way possible when you're running your own
node and just because
you're not mining it doesn't mean that you're not
helping the network by running a node