We're gonna be a new world order out there.
I wouldn't comment about that.
What's up y'all? Welcome to the What is Truth podcast. I'm your host, Wheezy.
I'm joined by Norman, aka the 9-Eleven revisionist.
This should be a doozy of a show.
And in preparation for that, I've got a witty monkey 9.5 ABV.
So I'm looking forward to this.
This show just kind of sprang up.
Just suddenly and it's happened.
So, Mr. Norman, thank you for doing this.
And if you don't mind giving us a little bit of your background,
I do in the description have your ex as well as your sub-stack.
But if you have any other links as well, give us all that jazz.
Oh, you froze up.
The people read my sub-stack articles.
They'll find my links to my telegram channel as well.
That's set up as a learning hub where people can check things out as well.
So, yeah, a little bit of a background.
Thank you for having me, Wheezy.
South African, I was 23 on the day when 9-Eleven happened.
Shell Shop, everybody else thought this was the start of World War 3.
And we had a little bit of coverage for a couple of days afterwards.
And then it pretty much died down for us in South Africa.
And then a bunch of years went by.
And by 2005, YouTube came online.
And Self-Pone started having little screens on it
so that you can watch YouTube videos and all of that.
So slowly but surely my conspiracy attainment aspect that I've always been interested in took over.
I would look at stuff like JFK, moon landing, whatever.
And eventually got to all the various 9-Eleven conspiracy attainment stuff
like September clues and plane sight, things like a new pool harbour,
all of that kind of documentaries that came out.
And they all seemed legit as the theories were evolving.
Eventually got to seeing Richard Gage's first video
where he was standing there with a cardboard cut out of the top piece of the tower
and just said, okay, if you drop these, it drops down and that's how the top
and how the building like blew apart or whatever his story was.
And then you're, okay, fine, it couldn't be Jade Fuel.
It must have been something else that took those buildings down.
I saw Jonathan Cole's experiments with Thermite
where he put steel girders together, welded them together
and then placed these weird contraptions in Thermite with this bright flashing fire show
like sparklers going off.
And I thought, okay, well, that cuts through steel.
So it kind of like makes sense.
And eventually I heard about this Dimitri Karzlyzov guy
or whatever who was talking about buried nukes in the bottom of the buildings,
sat through a 10-hour marathon interview that he did.
And that just didn't make sense to me because if a nuke went off in the basements and stuff,
there would have been a huge explosion and radioactive waste and all of that kind of stuff.
So that doesn't make sense.
And then how the hell can a nuke that goes off in the basin go up all the way
and then just have a building dissolve from the top down.
That doesn't make sense.
And eventually I saw a presentation where there was talk about some exotic weaponry
and the lady talked about a bunch of anomalies with other buildings
and the earth's magnetic field and all of these kind of stuff.
And I thought, okay, she's talking about this building turned to dust
before it even hit the ground.
That's how she started it.
And I thought, okay, this is a bit weird.
But I'm willing to listen to what she has to say.
And by the end of it, I thought, great, she makes a bunch of valid points.
So you've got the guys talking about thermites and control demolition and this woman.
And they should all get together.
And obviously if they go to court or whatever, something should happen.
That was around about in 2012.
And then I forgot about everything.
Then COVID rolled around.
We've got a little bit of extra time on our hands.
I went through all of that.
That's completely separate conversation.
But I also then saw with the 21st anniversary rolling around
an interview being held with a bunch of college students.
And they were asked about the big remembrance or anniversary
as they actually referred to it, rolling around.
And I was surprised to see how little college students in America know about 9-11.
I was completely gobsmacked.
They didn't know that the buildings disintegrated.
They didn't know who Al-Qaeda was.
They didn't know Osama bin Laden was or anything like this.
And I then just decided hell, let's go on to social media
and look for a couple of Facebook groups and see what's happened.
Because I thought 10 years ago or whatever that the guys would start figuring it out
and something would happen.
And then I got into debate groups and saw people arguing planes, arguing no planes.
People arguing nukes, buried nukes, many nukes.
The tooth fairy took it down.
And just nobody getting along whatsoever.
And I had my limited view of what I thought happened.
And I just saw that there are people on these groups that are well-versed
and can argue a point rather well.
And if I really want to defend my position, I've got to go do my homework.
So I then jumped into just reading everything that I could,
watching every documentary that I could.
If I could find a paper that's written by somebody making a specific argument,
I would go look for the counter-argument paper.
And I spent a couple of thousand hours on it,
started debating people in these debate groups.
Eventually to a point where they banged me from the debate groups
because I was debating in such a way that they didn't have a counter.
And the first thing that you know, as soon as you debate somebody
and they start hurling insults at you,
then there's a good chance that you are winning the argument.
But there are also just professional trolls out there
that it doesn't matter how much evidence you put in front of them,
they will just keep arguing something just for the sake of argument.
And that's when I started my sub-stack.
And that's a place where I could put down my information
and have people come into the comment section and give me their feedback.
And that has now grown since 2023 to over 200 articles,
something like, I think, 15,000 readers or subscribers to my sub-stack.
And with great feedback.
So that's how I got into the 9-Eleven stuff
and eventually started reaching out to some of the people who've been on podcasts.
There's a gentleman out of the UK 9-Eleven Plains Research.
There are Patricia Kazazas also.
That's one of the recent open letters that she wrote.
And yeah, that's just how I got into it.
I went on to X after Musk took over and started growing my footprint there.
And this is where we are now.
Beautiful.
Yeah, you showed on the screen your sub-stack as well as your ex.
And you've got a real, real nice following, man.
So people are really vibing, really resonating with what you have to say.
And it's rather impressive.
I mean, you've written over 200 articles.
You've got a resume.
So before we get started on this presentation, man,
I think most of my audience knows where I stand with a lot of these things.
I am open-minded.
Even if I may not fully agree with something,
I can try to place myself and be like, okay, I can see where you're coming from.
And I'm also, I feel I'm open-minded enough to be able to change my mind.
You know, if the evidence hits me there, you know what I mean?
And before we get started, I want people to know that when I used to hear no planes for 9-11,
my brain did the same thing in retrospect.
Did the same thing when I was a normie and people told me 9-11 was an inside job.
Like my brain just shut it out.
I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it.
You know, I got into firefighting in 2008 because of 9-11.
You know, watching the Nade videos, watching the firefighters,
you know, going into the buildings.
That's what inspired me, man.
I saw the heroism on display.
And I believe the official narrative for the longest of times.
And it wasn't until I started questioning a shooting event, a mass shooting event,
that I was like, man, they're lying about this event right here.
Maybe I need to revisit other things that I've believed were true and factual.
And that led me into my beloved 9-11.
I believe the official story.
Anytime someone said that it was some kind of conspiracies behind it,
my brain just shut it out.
I don't want to hear it, man.
That's disrespectful to the people that died.
You know, I got offended. I would get pissed off.
But after I started being open-minded to that, like, man,
maybe there's something more to 9-11.
And that's when, of course, I saw loose change.
And then you mentioned Richard Gage.
Give us a presentation of 9-11 architects and engineers.
And I've had Richard Gage.
I had him on a couple of years ago.
And we were talking before the show.
But once you hear one Richard Gage podcast, you've heard them all.
He says the same talking points.
But when people would bring up no planes, I'm like, oh, that's bad shit crazy.
That's bad shit.
That's bullshit.
You know, that's bullshit.
I saw the Nade video.
People talk about planes all the time.
I couldn't wrap my mind that that was even a possibility.
What made me receptive to this idea was rather recently
with the improvements in artificial intelligence.
The capabilities that the average person has at their own fingertips.
You know, anyone could get this technology and make some crazy videos.
You can get grok.
You could pay your monthly subscription to grok.
And it produces some crazy looking realistic videos.
And this is at the disposal of the public.
Anyone could get their hands on this.
So that brought me back to something that I've said throughout the years
in conspiracy thinking.
Whatever we have, the lay public,
the government has had access to this shit for decades in advance.
So that's what made me receptive.
I'm like, damn, man, maybe there was more fuckery of foot on 911
than I even realized.
Maybe the people that have been going around talking about this
and that have been disinfo agents.
And that's their job is to spread bullshit to look.
There's fire over there.
You know, keep your eyes focused on that.
And for a while now,
I've been of the mindset that in a lot of these psyops
in a lot of these false flags, you're giving two binary choices.
It's either this or that.
Meanwhile, there's a third, fourth, fifth other option
that are probably the real truth.
But you get purposely fed this and that.
In 911, it's hijackers with box cutters living out of caves
came down and attacked the United States
while they were doing drills.
That is the official story, essentially.
Now, the counter narrative to that was control demolition
thermite.
And that seemed to be what made sense
and has made sense for a lot of people.
And CGI planes and CGI planes.
Yeah.
Now, the third option is what we're going to, you know,
another option that has been dismissed.
And this is what this presentation is going to be tonight.
And it may blow a lot of minds.
So I'm just trying to prep everyone, you know, that hasn't heard.
Maybe some of you have gone down this rabbit hole.
It won't be nothing new.
But for others, it may be a completely different way
of looking at 911.
So I'm just trying to mentally prepare y'all for this.
It should be a doozy.
And I'm super excited to hear what Norman has to say.
Yeah.
Because the main thing when it comes to any government event
or major event, you've got your normies
who believe the government no matter what.
And then you've got your conspiracy attainment consumers.
That's usually the controlled opposition
to the official narrative position that you get
like you just mentioned.
And that's where a lot of people get stuck into
because that's also an area that's infiltrated by CIA,
Cointel Pro, Spooks.
You've got big podcasters who will give you 80% of the truth.
And the most important 20% will never be divulged
because it's easier to control a group of people
than it is individuals.
And when you go to the third level, that's the real truth seekers.
That's the people who look at everything
that's going on in the conspiracy attainment aspect.
And they actually go look at what they are being presented with.
You don't just follow something
because it's the official counter narrative.
And it's very difficult to find people who are willing
to actually challenge what they think to be true.
And just one final thing,
mostly for my audience of people that have been listening to me
so they can be receptive to this.
In the past, for the longest time,
I've been saying that Ed Steen was probably slipped out.
That was viewed as crazy thinking, completely out there.
There was only two binary options.
He was either he either committed suicide or someone killed him.
You either had to choose that or that.
And I was saying, no, man, he probably,
they could have easily snuck his ass out.
I've been saying that and I was viewed as crazy.
And now even with the Epstein files that have allegedly come out,
there's a lot of circumstantial evidence
that that's the plausible explanation, for example,
a limo that had a fake body to distract the paparazzi
while they escorted the real Epstein body out.
That's a that's a damning piece.
So again, most of these times with these stops,
you're giving two binary options.
It was only it's either this or that.
You guys fight it amongst each other
while this other option is the reality.
Yeah, 100%.
So the thing is, in any case, before we even start,
I'm not even going to get into the plain,
no plain argument when it comes to the World Trade Center,
because anybody with a working brain should be able to realize
that a small little aluminium can flying into a building
that size that's made out of massive steel
cannot do what we saw happen that day.
So unfortunately, if you believe that,
then the rest of this presentation,
you just won't be able to handle it.
So let's just quickly show that first picture
that I've got here on my screen
if you can screen share real quick.
Yeah.
Am I doing this right now?
Yeah, it's on the screen right now.
So yeah, I can see it real quick.
So what you're talking about the plane
for those that maybe not caught on.
One of the images that got me as a normie
was when we all saw the plane hit that second tower
and it came in from the backside.
And then for a split second,
it comes out the other side, fully intact,
full windshield, full nose.
And even as a normie, I was like,
that is the weirdest shit.
Why is it completely intact?
Going through this building being out of steel and everything, you know?
Well, if you want to start with regards to planes,
because again, the plane, no plane argument,
the nose coming out,
the nose, the parent nose coming out
is actually a dust explosion
and it's not the CGI glitch.
If people want to read more about this,
I've got an article on my substance stack
that came out recently and that is
what hit the twin towers on September 11th.
So you can go through everything there,
goes around through the holes
and a whole bunch of stuff.
So people can go check that out,
but if you really want to go deep into
all the planes and everything like this,
I highly suggest going to Substack,
look for Mark Conlon's work.
He writes under 9-11 planes research.
He's got a whole bunch just on American 11,
175, 77, United 93,
the passengers and crew, phone calls,
everything that you can spend
days there.
He was also part and parcel of a
documentary with a name of 9-11 alchemy
facing reality.
It came out in 2018.
He did that in conjunction with Chris Hampton,
his audio sound engineer
and all the research that the both of them did
over the years.
Mark Conlon has been busy with it
for 10 years already and they put that in there.
It's a three-hour documentary.
It covers all four sites.
So if you want to really see one of the
gold standard documentaries,
go watch that because it completely
and utterly obliterates September clues,
Simon Shack, loose change,
in plane sight with Davon Kleist
with a pod theory that knows in,
knows out what happened at Shanksville,
what happened at the Pentagon and all of that.
So we are going to be focusing mainly on the,
in two parts.
We're going to discuss the World Trade Center
and then we are going to go into the disinformation
agents that we've got around.
Just to give you another idea,
if you took the jet fuel from one of those planes,
that is the amount of jet fuel that was there.
It would have been a quarter of an inch
on the first floor of the basement floor
if it had to trickle down all the way.
So that amount of jet fuel igniting
cannot cause that to happen.
So anybody who still thinks that that plane
has got something to do with that happening over there,
sorry, then you,
you're almost probably fully vexed, fully boosted.
It's got brown, pink air and nose to the nose
and you think a man can become a woman.
So yeah, it just doesn't work that way.
So that's a big distraction.
I think the orchestrators were used to technology
that was a real-time technology,
3D volumetric projection and that is what happened
and the CGI aspect was brought in to keep people away
from even considering that.
There was a court case in 2007
brought by a gentleman with the name of Dr. Morgan Reynolds
who was one of the first no-planeers.
He was actually on the news on the fifth anniversary
where he was making those claims
and he was made out to be a madman
and ostracised by the 9-Eleven Truth Movement,
same with Dr. Wood.
So yeah, go check out 9-Eleven Planes Research Work
and go watch the documentary, 9-Eleven Alchemy Facing Reality.
Then you'll have a good understanding
of what people saw, heard,
the pictures of in low, low Manhattan on that day
and what happened.
That chance will end up being too long.
So now we need to move over to...
Let me just get my stuff here.
Oh, not that.
Wrong term.
Planes Research has been through that.
Alchemy, Shanksville, Pentagon, OK.
Now I want to discuss the World Trade Center.
This is what the World Trade Center looked like.
You had 210 storey office buildings.
Right over there in the middle,
you had the World Trade Center No. 3,
the Marriott Hotel.
That was a 22-storey building.
That is building No. 4, nine storeys.
Building No. 5, excuse me,
nine storeys and building No. 6.
That was eight storeys and right over here,
you had building 7.
That over there is the Bank of Trust.
Remember the Bank of Trust
because that's also a very important building
that very few people know about
what happened to that building after 9-11.
So if we move on...
This is basically to just show you again
what was there beforehand.
Oh, I forgot to say.
Also remember this little
SWEA over here in the Thompson Plaza
because that little SWEA holds a huge secret
that most people missed due to 9-11
being such a traumatic event.
Now, if we look down and see
what was left of such a huge building
over there, you had some rubble,
but nothing left of the South Tower,
nothing left of the North Tower.
Here you can see another picture.
This is where a 22-storey office building
or hotel stood.
That's the North Tower,
an eight-storey building.
You can see that the eight-storey building
is towering over the rubble of the North Tower.
That was building No. 4.
A whole section of that building is missing.
You haven't got a piece of the South Tower
that fell on it or anything like that.
It was level to the ground.
It was missing, like a cookie cutter,
and that is building No. 5
that had weird, wonderful circular holes in it,
and there were also various holes
in the middle of the plaza here as well.
So let's just go...
This is to give you another idea
of what the size of the rubble pile was.
You had the lobby parts that were like tridents.
That was about three floors high.
Now, if you go into and do a little bit of research
and you ask GROC,
what is the average rubble pile
for a conventional controlled demolition?
On average, they expect a rubble pile
of 12.5% of the original building height.
And that would give you 13.75 stories of rubble.
And that isn't 13.5 stories of rubble.
You've got the building 6 right over here.
That's an 8-story building,
and you've got the outer shell of the North Tower
lying against it.
And right over there,
if we scroll in and we'll get to them,
this little section over here
is what was left of the Stay Well Bee.
And would you believe it
that 16 people survived over there?
Do you even know about them, Weezy?
No, I do not.
16 people survived there.
The one gentleman was actually coming down.
How the hell do you survive that?
Precisely.
This is a timestamp.
So I'm sorry.
This is a timestamp 28 minutes for audio listeners.
If you're listening to this on an audio podcast player,
I encourage everyone to visit my video platforms,
Rumble, Odyssey.
I may put it up on YouTube.
But at timestamp 28 minutes,
you'll see these pictures exactly what we're talking about.
I just want to say for your Spotify listeners,
this is a visual conversation.
You need to watch this.
You really, really need to watch this.
And in relation to the survivors in Stay Well Bee,
there was a documentary that came out
that had the testimonies of the 13 first responders,
and there were three civilians that survived.
And you can look for the documentary,
The Miracle of Stay Well Bee.
And that is where they basically tell their stories.
And we will be playing some of that in a little bit.
Now I want to take your attention back to the swir
that we had over there.
Because that swir tells us a lot.
And you can also see it over here.
So you had a 110-story building over here.
You had a 110-story building over here.
You had all of that building disintegrate, blow apart,
or whatever your thought processes are.
And keep in mind, you need to have a 13
and 13 to nearly 14-story high rubble pile
if you had a control demolition when everything falls into place.
Now why isn't that 27-foot high swir buried under any rubble?
So we're going to go into a little bit more detail
pertaining to that by going to my swir article.
Let me just open that up.
It is...
So again, this is how small it is if you stand in the building.
Just look at that.
And that's at the bottom.
So in this little section of this swir,
it was circled by a bunch of lampposts as well.
So we'll just go down in the article.
I'm not going to play this video over here.
It's because it's rather graphic of the day.
So that is what those lampposts look like.
It circled that whole 27-foot high swir.
And when...
Okay, so again, just to show you the size
of those buildings in relation to it.
Again, that's just after the alleged flight 11
hit the North Tower.
And again, that's just to show you the rubble pile over there.
Now, something strange,
as you can see in those pictures,
that doesn't look like the amount of rubble that should be there.
And on September 12th, people actually reported on that.
So let's listen to the radio broadcast on September 12th.
I don't think we're getting any audio, Norman.
So we may have to...
Yeah, I'm not getting any audio.
Norman, can you hear me?
Yeah, sorry.
We're not getting any audio.
Why would that be?
So you may have to share screen that
and just make sure the audio tab is on.
And while you do that, I want to make a quick observation.
So I was there in New York a few years back
and I saw that sphere and they have it preserved
and they have little plaques like it's a miracle
that this thing survived relatively unscathed.
And now that you're presenting this,
I guess it never even dawned on me that,
damn, this thing is tiny
and you had these massive buildings all around it
and nothing happened to it.
That is rather interesting for sure.
It's giving me the option for share screen.
Yeah, share screen and then you'll see,
you should see like a little tab that says audio
and just make sure that's clicked.
Hope you guys are enjoying this.
Yeah, it's got audio, screen, tab, audio.
That's on.
Yeah, and then just share screen.
There it is, there it is, there it is.
Okay, sharp, I've got it.
Sorry, people, I usually work on Zoom,
so StreamYard is new to me.
Okay.
Okay, let's go back to share.
Share screen.
What's going on here?
This drink is very Yikes material.
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Okay, there we go, I've got it here.
Okay, there we are.
Perfect.
Okay, we're back.
Let's see if the audio is going to work now.
You hearing that?
Yes, sir.
We're back in business.
Ready.
Browningmore, Manhattan today, George.
I don't know if you heard a little earlier.
We raised this question,
which was actually raised by ABC's Jackie Giada
as we look at these areas down below.
When you look at where the towers used to stand,
there is surprisingly so little rubble.
Where did all the rubble go?
It's a very good question, Peter,
and I have asked some people who've been doing
some of the rescue and recovery work this morning.
If you look behind me,
you can see the very remains,
the skeletal remains of the World Trade Center
and one volunteer, Robert Kerlinski,
explained to me the reason there's so little rubble
is that all of it simply fell down
into the ground
and was pulverized, evaporated.
Pulverized and evaporated.
So if you climb into a helicopter
and you go up 1,400 feet
and you take a piece of metal
and you throw it out
and then you have it land on concrete,
is it going to turn into dust?
Because that is what they want you
to think and believe.
That just doesn't make sense whatsoever.
And steel falling upon steel
also doesn't make steel turn into dust.
It just doesn't work that way.
So now, with regards to the lack of rubble,
there's a very interesting statement
that some of the...
Okay, of course we've got to watch this one
with a spire. This is very, very important as well.
Because that is a section
of the remnants of the inner core
of the building that was still standing
and at the bottom of the spire
is where those 16 people survived.
Here's the level of the trade tower debris.
Here's how much debris you'd expect
if all the material from the trade towers
came crashing down.
If you had 110-storey building,
kaboom-dee-boom-dee-boom splat down
in eight to ten seconds,
think of all the material in the middle
that has to get shot out the sides.
There ain't enough rubble?
I mean, where are they?
And then we can just quickly,
before we go into that one,
I want to listen to the lack of rubble
and the fireman state.
This way.
I hope this audio plays.
Just shout out if you don't hear it.
Can you hear it?
Yes, we can hear it.
Easy?
Yep, I can hear it.
There is surprisingly so little rubble.
And that's like right under the tower.
Well,
Mickey Cross feared they would all be dead
before anyone found them.
I had no idea what was over us.
I'm thinking of a hundred and ten stories.
How much rubble that is,
how if they start...
They assume they're buried
under such
debris that they'd be dead
by the time anyone found them.
But then, this magic thing happened.
This demon sunlight came right...
They looked up and saw the sky.
I'm amazed now.
A hundred and ten stories building up on this.
I'm looking up at the sun.
The descriptions they gave
were not of a building falling on top of them
or not of bombs exploding around them.
Was it high heat?
They didn't get cooked.
They didn't get squashed.
I looked up and said,
guys, there used to be a hundred and six floors above us
and now I'm seeing sunshine.
There's nothing above us.
That big building doesn't exist.
These are the biggest office buildings in the world
and I didn't see one desk, one chair,
one phone, nothing.
A short little clip to play.
It's what some of the firefighters said
who came out of the building.
People don't know that.
It was coming down.
Something wasn't right, man.
The inside of the building
and the inside of the building
is unraveling around them.
And again,
you had that hundred and two hundred
and ten story buildings next to this plaza
and that is the only damage
to that 27 foot
swear and it's basically
towering over
the rubble around it.
Yes, there was steel.
I'm not saying
that there wasn't rubble
but there wasn't enough rubble.
You had to have
to 13.75
at least
stories worth of rubble piles there
and it wasn't there.
Again, this is the
the lamppost over here
which
people thought was
the antenna.
I should actually play this clip.
This is what was
said
on September 11th itself.
Everybody's working together
in a whole city
trying to get people out.
How do you dig this up?
Piece by piece.
It's why you just make the change
and get the degree out.
That's what you can do.
Hundred and ten stories at ground level.
We got a shot at the city antenna
that was on top of the tower
at ground level.
And yet there are no people
to be seen.
For a moment of perspective
look at the trade center towers
before the attack.
Tower number one held a 300 foot
mast used for television
transmitters.
Firefighters believe this is the tip
of that mast today.
Standing upright but at ground level.
By late afternoon
a fireman carried an American flag
to the mast
and raced it.
Fellow firefighters wept
as the stars and stripes
flew in the smoke filled sky
and remained above them as they worked
into twilight's last gleaming.
Where did the towers go?
It's undeniable.
The buildings went away.
Where is all the rubble?
It seems so flattened.
If they'd collapsed to the ground
you'd have
a pile of debris
that would correspond
to 210 storey buildings.
That didn't happen.
Where did the towers go?
There ain't enough rubble.
I mean where are they?
There's no debris.
You just can't account for the missing material.
Engineers at the firm
that built the building's best guess
to account for the missing 1200 feet
of material from each tower
is that large portions
simply vaporized
and look at those pictures
just hours after the event
and there was nothing there.
We had a little bit of rubble
but you didn't have
210 storey buildings piled up there.
That's the part that's crazy.
It's just that's all that's left.
People have been
right down next to the base
of what was the trade towers.
There's virtually nothing left.
Maybe a few flights of stairs
a few stories of one of the buildings.
So that's freaky.
That is some
sci-fi stuff
Can I say something
regarding this?
So these days
I'm essentially a garbage man
and
the heaviest load I've ever dumped
was 40 tons
which
was just extremely overweight.
Had I gotten an accident
carrying that amount of weight
I could have easily killed someone.
I would have gotten a prison and lost my license.
40 tons is just
crazy amounts of weight
and I had a strong big powerful truck.
Legally
safely
I think about 8 tons
is the maximum you could run around with.
8 tons.
So
if these buildings
went down
Judy Wood says that there should have been
over a million
tons
worth of debris.
Think about the logistics of hauling around
a million tons when
the maximum weight
one single truck and carry
is no more than 8 tons.
That's maximum weight.
So you have to assume
that they're going to be following protocols
and they're going to be probably carrying
no more than 5 tons
at a time.
5 tons at a time
in New York.
One of the busiest hubs
if not the busiest hubs in the world
with a tragedy like this
5 tons at a time
and there should have been
over a million tons of debris.
Do the logistics.
It doesn't add up man.
5 tons per truck
at a time.
They would still be hauling
fucking debris to this fucking day.
Yup.
But the stories
but the lack of
rubble that the people talk about
oh but they shipped it off to China so quick man.
That's a cover story that
Giuliani brought out
on the afternoon of September 12
when people were asking
questions of why is there
so little rubble and that's how quickly
people switched off because
in a traumatic event
you want a quick answer and the first
answer you get you
clamor on to and you don't even think about
what answer you've been given.
Just like they said
it fell down and evaporate.
Yeah.
Well that's kind of where I'm getting at.
Even if they did
ship all this shit out to China
as they claimed
you still have to get
from point A to point B
to ship it out.
How the fuck are you going to move
a million tons of debris
when you can only haul
at most 5 tons per truck.
It doesn't make any goddamn sense.
So this is just me
as a garbage man, someone that works
in hauling heavy weights
all day long. You know what I'm saying?
So it doesn't
it's not very feasible at all
when I look at it
in that regard in that lens
as someone that
has actually carried
heavy loads it's not
it makes zero sense at all.
Yeah.
100% and then the other
the other reprieve to that is
oh no but everything fell into the basements.
Well the basements
themselves were only 70 feet
deep.
So even if you've got
your normal controlled
demolition rubble
pile height of
13.75 floors
then
even there should have still been
more rubble
peaking out of the holes
of the basements but
that is the
reports that came out. Engineers find
most of the 7 story basements intact.
In this article I've
I wrote two articles about the basements as well
I think I've got some
clips that we'll
touch on the basements a little bit later
but I want to just
quickly show you
this clip with
regards to the sphere because
as you said they repurposed it
so we now
this is a short little clip that tells us
about the importance of the sphere
and people can actually go
visit this in New York.
It was quite obvious that that
sphere
the damaged sphere
was the obvious choice.
The sphere a 27 foot
high steel and bronze sculpture
had sat atop a granite fountain
in the World Trade Center plaza.
After the attack
it was moved to what resembled a triage
for injured building parts
at John F. Kennedy International Airport.
Here the Port Authority
safeguarded relics of the World Trade Center
for possible integration
into a memorial. I wanted
us to go out and look at it and see whether it was
anything salvageable
how damaged is it how much of the internal
skeleton is still intact
how much of it is still intact inside the base.
I don't know how they got it here
but getting it where we've got to take it
and having it there in the same condition as just today
is going to be a trick.
It's pretty ripped up
but we're taking some measurements
so we've got some ideas how we can lay it out
location switch from Battery Park City
to Battery Park itself
and so that's when we really got going
so that we could start measuring it up
and getting the details finished
and putting it up there.
Just see how massive that swear is
in the first place, right?
Fritz Koenig the sculptor came there
to look at it and actually helped us
in terms of where some of the pieces
were and how we would orient
and put it back together.
And he had in his hand
a miniature model of the
globe that he had all these years
I guess and he held it up
and he was showing us
you know this is the way it went together
and this is the way it was oriented
this is how it looked.
Our nature is to create not deconstruct.
There's heart in the door that we do at the site
but there was a whole lot of meaning in this
because it was sort of
putting something back together
rather than taking it apart.
World peace through free trade
was the inspiration
for the sphere
which once stood at the World Trade Center.
It survived the collapse
of the Twin Towers
as did the idea
that catalyzed its creation.
I think the lessons that
we can take away from the process
of the temporary memorial
are really good ones.
We chose
the element, we chose location
and indeed
when different stakeholders
were in the same room they had different opinions
and we found the solution
and I think everyone's pretty happy with it.
Good morning
It's September 11
Nothing but dry skies
Comfortably dry, cool, dry air,
mass movement overnight. Very cool, dry air.
Dry weather all the way into the weekend.
There's not a lot of evidence of the airplane.
Huge explosion now raining
debris on all of us.
When you invest in research and development
and begin a developmental project
you don't have any intention
or expectations that one would use it.
On the other hand
the real world intervenes
from time to time and you reach in there
and take something out that is still
in the developmental stage
and you might use it.
I think that's not
referring to these two particular cases
directed into your high power
to microwave the chair.
No, no, no.
So you can affect time
and you can have force field.
It was just a little tight
with that high state on the ground.
So that is the story of the
SWEAR
and I quickly just want to
circle back to the survivors
because we're just going to listen to
both
Mickey Cross
and then the 9-Eleven
surfer Pascal Buscelli
to give you a little bit of a back
run on Pascal Buscelli.
He is the gentleman
who was coming down from the 84th floor
along with the people in his
office
and around about in the
40s of floors
they met up
with a firefight he told them
looky when you guys get to the 23rd floor
you can grab an elevator
and go down in the elevator
and
the reason why it stuck with him
is they got to the 23rd and they said
ok are we going to go in
and people said no, we'll just
keep on going in the stairwells
and when they got to the 22nd floor
all of a sudden the building
started rumbling and shaking
something profusely and the people
who were with him ran into the 22nd floor
he jumped down
the stairs onto the first landing
as you would make
the corner in the stairwell
and he then just crunched up
into a little ball
and that's when he felt himself
just falling through the air
and woke up on a perch
so we're going to watch a video now
that's going to show us
their testimonies
you can also go onto YouTube
and find various interviews that he's done
through the years
recounting his experience
and he was back home with his
pregnant wife at 8 o'clock that evening
and the only
injuries that he suffered
was a broken ankle
imagine
you've got a 500,000 ton building
around you disintegrating
and you only suffer
a broken ankle you're not burned
by molten metal or anything
or lose your hearing so
just for the people who are listening
on Spotify
there is a section in this
video where there is some explosions
going off just to show you
what he would have been
subjected to and it's rather loud
so just
be aware
of that loud explosions
that are going to be coming your way
that kind of sounds like
a 30 odd 6 bullet
lodging in someone's neck
and not going all the way through
yeah
pretty much
my problem
not my problem
I just want to
see
how the
25th anniversary
is going to be overshadowed by
the first anniversary
of Charlie Kirk's
assassination
so it's going to be interesting to see
where the attention
is going to be in the mainstream
media as well
so let's listen to Mickey Cross
the firefighter who was on the fourth floor
and then Pascal was surely coming down
from the 84th and
he was on the 22nd floor
you know the stairwell B that's the core of it
110th story building of all this
and I'm looking up at the sun
that's the stairwell
and Pascal
was somewhere right over there
on that little perch
and again we've got the
just to pause here
that's the Marriott Hotel so he was
basically at the top of the Marriott
22 story hotel
in the stairwell
in the building around him unraveled
all of that above him
unraveled and what was left
was that little bit
over there
and that's where stairwell B was
so he didn't lose his hearing
he didn't get
blasted to bits by explosives
nothing
above him
a five
90 stories above him
disappeared and he saw blue sky
above him
how do you reconcile that with yourself
you lived through that
so he wasn't buried under
500,000 tons of collapsing building
he wasn't blasted by explosives
he wasn't crushed under the weight
of 500,000 tons of material
or struck by any four steeling
beams or any fatally heavy objects
burned by fire, thermite or molten metal
hooked by a tense heat of any kind
or nuked
vaporized by nuclear devices
deafened by loud explosions
all blinded by
bright flashes going off
the building above him disappeared
and he had hardly any
to speak of
and
now I need to
show you two articles
that people can go read on my
substack as well
this is
a controlled demolition with 30 years
of experience telling
you exactly
what the rubble pile should be like
and what it should look like and everything
so people can go look at this
article it's in depth
there's another collapse
demolition thought experiment
article that people can go to
and it also mentions the Liberty
plaza
and then
we've got
my mind
just get my mind one real quick
and this one
is a relation to
the building collapse
that we had last year
that is completely different
it also takes into account
the rubble pile
because that is where you can
actually see a pancake
collapse
of the floors
you can physically
count the stories
and if people were caught up
they would be mangled
but you would still find whole bodies
there was 1,100 people
in those buildings
that just disappeared
there's many people that didn't even get
1,100 people were ever
found
nothing of them were found
here again is a
video of a
controlled demolition
that was 26 floors
high it talks about
what the rubble pile was
when you do the calculation
it was actually 17%
of the original building height
again we did not see that on
9-11 so people can go
work through these articles
on my
my substack they just need to go to my archive
and they can put in the
keywords
for that
and let's see where we've got to go to
now
and just a quick reminder
this is the
I'm sorry
just a quick reminder I've got
Norman's substack right in the description
so if you guys are interested
definitely hit that link
as well as a link to his
X
so we've got architects and engineers
for 9-11 truth
that's been around now since around
about 2007
they've been holding seminars
fundraisers
all of that for all these
years now
and I think
the PBD podcast with him
was done in
2023
and PBD asked him a very
very important question
with regards to okay so what are you guys
now actually doing with all this money
what type of calculations
have you done so
listen to this and see
what answer Gage can
and cannot give him
after all these years
after all these seminars
and podcast interviews that he's done
and it's a simple question
which he should be able to answer
here's the one part
I have a little bit of skepticism
and I would like your help with this here
so how many people
I asked the question for you
if I came up to you I'd give you 10 million dollars
tell me how you would go about doing this
and you were about to get into it
and you're going to tell me all this
let's stick to that question
okay if I wanted to do this
inside job
the 85 elevator workers
9 months prior to that they took it away
from Otis and went to Ace
it went from public to private
fine Silverstein buys it
in June
fine he buys terrorist insurance
in June great this is
very very concerning
all these things adding up
how many people
who are doing the job to set up the explosive
in the corner would be sitting there saying
the hell am I doing
okay what am I really doing
why am I doing this
and how much would I do that for
knowing I'm setting up the place to come
down
how many total
people
if they really
really wanted to do this
this is my number one question
to doing this how many would need
to know when they're sitting because the people that
actually were involved with these elevator workers
they're sitting there watching the
saying holy shit I'm a part
of that I contributed to that
how many total
people would
that need to be
to accomplish this
mission impossible how many of them
fair question this is not my area
of expertise I'm an architect
but I mean the lead character
was Richard Gage
down a couple of years ago
but Richard Gage
you know he comes across as this kind of a
vuncular friendly chap and you know
you can trust me I'm smiley and friendly and nice
and all the rest of it
but he's always sought to close down
Woods work and
I actually had the opportunity to deal
one on one with Gage a couple of years
ago in a discussion forum
and I put a simple question to him
it's about the free on tanks
and I said well how come that these
massive free on tanks
didn't explode and were retrieved completely intact
if there's all this molten metal underground
and the towers have collapsed on them
and
this response was
oh I didn't know
about that
are you serious
you are claiming to be
the expert on the destruction of these buildings
for the last two decades and you're telling
me that you don't know about the free on
tanks you know it's
completely
unbelievable
so yeah and
Andrew Johnson had a similar incident with him
around the same time
there was one point in the past
in which Richard Gage
accused Dr Wood of witchcraft
you know this is the kind of yeah this is
the kind of deaths that they stooped to
and
and Andrew Johnson had an opportunity
to speak in a public forum one-on-one
with Gage and said why did you
accuse Dr Wood of witchcraft
to which Gage replied
I didn't
just a lie
the thought exists
and so we're looking at some
pretty dishonest characters here
have you examined
all of the other she is extremely highly
qualified with you or not
as a structural physicist
yeah this is some way
I think in 2012
I'm not 100% sure
between 2010-2012
that this interview was had
with Gage
can I so
oh okay
well I just wanted to say that
yeah I had
Richard Gage on
I'm not entirely sure when
maybe a couple years back
and as I said at the very beginning
once you hear one
Richard Gage podcast
you've heard them all because it's like he has
a little script and he just goes
point by point by point
and one of the things
and I feel bad saying this because I did
have him as a guest but I'm just giving
I'm just being truthful
one of the things that didn't sit well with me
was how it almost felt like
he was running a business
like
this was his livelihood
to be
you know at the time when I had him on
he had just recently split
from you know the
9-11
architects for truth or something like that
they had recently split up
and so he told me before the show
hey man don't associate
me with them I'm doing my own thing now
and I'm like wait a minute
if this is fucking truth
why is there
why is there competing factions about this
fucking shit
why are you guys competing for who gets the glory
that was one thing
if I'm being completely honest
that never sat well with me
I'm like the truth is the fucking truth
it's not for sale
you're not trying to market this or that
and that was one thing
that didn't sit well with me
although like I said
his expertise in architecture
and what not
was something that did captivate me
the fact that well
he allegedly had thousands of
architects and engineers
that had signed under his
you know his little list
that that was definitely
something of interest
but his whole character
his whole persona behind it
which seemed to come across as
nothing but business
nothing but trying to capitalize
on 9-11 truth
never really sat well with me
so I just want to make that caveat clear
he's making money
of people's suffering
and that's the thing
and he's shutting down any conversation
whenever you challenge him
to a conversation
or I've got a friend
who's a podcastie in South Africa
his name is Jeremy Nell
his podcast is germ warfare
and he's kind of like
South Africa's Joe Rogan
but he's not a
limited hangout like Joe Rogan is
and
he invited
Richard Gage to a debate with Andrew Johnson
the guy out of the UK
who's also a supporter of Dr Wood
and he said
I'll come in, I'll do my presentation
and then somebody else can present
off to me I'm not going to get into
a debate or discussion
of the evidence
or anything like that
so
let's listen
to the questions and stuff
that was asked of him in 20
because Dr Wood's book came out in
2010 so
this is somewhere between
2010-2012 that
this interaction happened
I think
it might be earlier but I doubt it
but this is under correction
all of the other sheet is extremely
highly qualified which you are not
as a structural physicist
inforometry to do a
complete, she's got the only one out there
she's put her name on the dotted line
to file the case on it, the key damn case
the whistleblower which I can't believe that you didn't
you admit you don't know but let's say you don't
there are dozens of nuts out there
with PhDs
wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa
are you calling Dr Judy Wood?
wait a minute
I said there are dozens of nuts out there
okay well that's not appropriate
for our conversation
our conversation is
have you examined and taken on
her book which she has documented
with a great degree
have you read her book and are you willing
to debunk it
with all of these different phenomena
have you done that or are you going to do that
now with Judy Wood
not going to acknowledge any of that
evidence and just hand wave it away
that she's not practicing science
she's practicing witchcraft
well you know what
the problem that I'm running into here
I am an architect
that has no training in this at all
making all kinds of allegations
without the evidence
so I just had to add
that in there
I saw that
because that's kind of
not like who
and that's the thing Norman
I think we have
a little bit of a delay
so now the quick question
Richard
sorry
yeah I think we have a little bit of a delay
so we're not trying to talk over each other
just so the audience knows
I was just trying to say that
so when I've
if you're new to my show
I've done a lot of expose
especially with
my buddies John Brissum
and my boys Seven Seas
where
we expose a lot of these characters that
are put in front of us
as torch bearers of truth
whether it's a Tucker Carlson
a Candace Owens
you name it
and they're all bullshit artists
and some people get triggered by hearing that
oh my god I don't want to hear that
I don't want to hear that
and in a smaller scale
I suppose we can put in Richard
Gage in that group
on a much much smaller scale
than the Candace Owens
and some of these other characters
but it's essentially the same thing where
you have these people that are put in front of us
and whatever they say
we're supposed to accept
because why because they're counter
the official narrative
therefore this is option
A and option B
Richard Gage's option B
and that's all we have to go with
that's the only narrative
we've got to stick with
we should never use any critical thinking skills
we should never think outside the fucking box
and just
accept whatever Mr. Gage says
so I'm not telling you
I'm not telling anyone to think
the way I think
we should all use
our brains and decide what is truth
and based on
the available evidence
and so I wasn't trying
to smear Mr. Gage
with what I said earlier but
that's the damn truth that's what it came across as
as someone that was trying to sell
an agenda and someone
that wasn't really necessarily
behind truth
no the thing is also
now
if you go on to
A and E, architects and engineers
for 9-Eleven Truth I call them
architects for
engineered truth
and I've got
enough writings on that in any case
now what they say is
okay thermite was found in the dust
we'll get to the dust
study in a bit but I first
need to have people understand
how thermite works
and what thermite looks like
when it's activated
now it's also
the calculations that
they did is they said
that they need
at least
29,000
metric
tons
of thermite
per building
per tower
to sever the columns
okay
now you also then need to take
if you look at Jonathan Cole's thermite experiments
and you can find that readily on youtube
or whatever you'll see that he's got
a contraption that he puts around
a steel beam
and then it's got to be lit with a fuse
and so you would have
to have all time
to fit all of this
then have cables
all over the building
and if a fire breaks
out or anything like that
then that can compromise this
or have it go off beforehand
because there's people that say
but the buildings were wired
or the nukes were buried
underneath when they built the building
and there were
fires in the twin towers
more than once prior to that
so
why would you take that chance
of hoping okay we're
building the building now and we've got a plan
30 years later to blow this stuff up
it doesn't make sense but that is
the stories that people
go out with
now what are we going to show you here
is a hundred
pounds
of thermite being ignited
not
29,000
metric tons
just a
hundred pounds
and look what it looks like
look at what it looks like
I've heard this thermite
theory from this guy called Richard Gage
and
the question that I have about that
and maybe we'll talk to him
in the upcoming days
but thermite
is a very bright
it has this
light that emanates
and it's almost
it's blinding a very small amount of it
enough thermite
to take down buildings of that size
110 story structures
like that I mean
correct me if I'm wrong but I think that that would look like a quarter of the sun
was burning in New York City
so the question is
were the twin towers destroyed by thermite
the evidence says no
thermite is an incendiary does not have the split second precision
needed to drop a building into its footprint
like a conventional controlled demolition
but even if it did the towers
didn't drop onto their footprints
anyway
thermite is not able to
blast 5 tons
510 towers
10 titanics in weight
laterally off their footprints
but even if it could the wall trade center once
survivors could not have survived such a
huge blast anyway
now the next question is
again
again just to share
what it would have looked like
yeah that's one thing that
sorry
yeah that's one thing that
has never really
sat well with me
in regards to the thermite theory
because the question
has always come across in my head anyways
how the hell did they get
that thermite in that building
and one of the some of the theories that
have been proposed is that
they
apparently the buildings
were locked out
a few months in advance
and painters
maybe the paint had
thermite in it and they painted over
the stories that they needed to
have it
but those are just theories
there's really no evidence for that
it's just plain speculation
to cause doubt
it has got no
no validity in
reality whatsoever
that's just people trying to
waft and make sense
to themselves because
they want to have
a
understandable
explanation for it
because as soon as you say
that that building unraveled on a
molecular level
it's new physics
it's just too scifi for them
they can't wrap their head around it
it comes down to
three problems that people
have
and that's
critical thinking skills
group think and they can't handle the implications
because
just imagine there is something out there
that can turn
solid matter
210 story
buildings into
powder into less than
10 seconds
those buildings that steal
the aluminium cladding around it
the office furniture
the filing cabinets
the toilets
everything in that
building
but we had a hell of a lot of paper that was
left
a lot of paper and a hell of a lot of dust
yeah
so direct energy weapons
this is from
google
directed energy weapons
also known as dues
use
focus
electromagnetic energy
yep
the stuff that you're going to get on google
the stuff you're going to get on google
is all related to
lasers and that kind of stuff
this is something
completely
completely different
to what you're going to get on google
this is black ops stuff
that it works on field interference
we're going to get to the adjunction effect
later and how that works
I'm only bringing this up
so that
the only reason I'm bringing it up is because
there may be some people out there
that think this is all fantastical
you know what I mean
and so the reason
the reason I'm bringing it up is so
look even
the official
government has admitted that these things exist
that's all I'm trying to get at
that's the only reason
and then I mean
I don't know if you're going to touch in
onto the Lahaina
wildfire from a couple years back
that's also
it's got similarities
but just because it's
similarities doesn't mean it's exactly the same
technology
there's many many
if you want to talk
about directed energy weapons
you've got the voice to skull
stuff you've got the
what's it
the sonic weapons
you've got
what's that they have a
vana syndrome you've got
the voice to
skull is basically
where they've got this gizmo
that gets pointed
towards you and then you can hear music
in your ears
but nobody around you can hear it
because that thing is focused right on you
but it doesn't hurt you
but then you've got the same thing that
they point at you and it's used for
crowd control and when that hits you
it feels like your skin
is boiling and you just run
and run away they actually
during the Covid protests in
Australia they think
that something similar was used to
disperse the crowds in Australia
for the stuff
but here we're just going to finish up real quick
because I'm going to take you
to
this video
it's not on this video
okay I'm going to quickly go into
a lot of people when they talk
about
thermite as well they don't even
know what thermite
is what constitutes what the
ingredients are
and this is also important for people to know
about so let's play this one
real quick
aluminium powder you mix those two together
obviously fairly freely available
and you put a hot fuse
you need a hot fuse of several hundred
degrees centigrade to set it off so you can't
just start it with a match you need
something like a magnesium strip
you know what the more common name
from iron oxide is?
no
okay
so going back to the world
trace centre what did we have as part of the structure
well we had
hundreds of steel girders
these steel girders have been standing
in air for 30 years
approximately 30 years perhaps slightly longer
even what the steel girders do when they've been
standing in air for 30 years
they rock and the shiny silvery
exterior of the world trace centre
was guess what folks
it was an aluminium alloy
so for those guys like steven e jones
and ritted gauge
to say that thermite was
found in the world trace centre dust
or unreactive thermite well
what they're saying
really and what they're not saying to you
is that the remains
of the building were found
in the dust of the remains of the building
that's what they say
what made up the building was found in the remains of the building
so this talk of
thermite is a cover story
now of course they will argue
oh but that's
we know that this wasn't made up in the building
because it's got this special signature
and we found nano thermite
but they haven't got any evidence for that
they don't want people to know
and understand and realise
and become aware of
the building's
term to dust before they get the ground
because that is a
new type of process
and then recently there's
a bunch of people that have now
or it was since that
dust study paper came out
written by Niels Harrett
and Steven E. Jones in 2009
it was contested
as soon as it was published
and as recent as
2025 Bob Greener from
the Martin Fleischman project
he specialises on EVO
EVOs and
ball lightning
cold fusion
low energy nuclear reactions
and the Hutchinson effect
and a whole bunch of that
he did his own debunk
of that paper as well
so here's this little clip and then
I just also want to share with you
a couple of articles and other people
that have also
pushed back against
so it's not just Dr Wood
who's been critical
of the thermite narrative
ever since the scholars
for 9-Eleven Truth was founded
in 2005
so this is Bob Greener
a clip out of
his presentation that he did
and I'll share
the article where you can go watch
his presentation where he discusses everything
so let's just have a quick listen
to this as well
and we're starting
here with Niels Harrett
he actually was at the DC event
last year strangely enough
after Bob Greener wrote his
article
Richard Gates shared an interview
with Niels Harrett
from 2010 where
BBC
journalist was interviewing him
and
the BBC interviewer
journalist
spoke to a
gentleman who had I think 50 years
with a metallurgy
experience
just
pulling their paper apart
and this Niels Harrett has got
no experience in metallurgy
I think he was
not even a physics teacher
I'm not a professor
or whatever but he didn't have
the qualifications for that so
he's a useful
idiot and he was just
completely being stupid
about it and I'll show
you the debate that
somebody else had within
2010 so just listen to
this ridiculousness
but
we know
and this was already
totally clear before
we started investigating the test
that both explosives
and incendiaries
were used in the control demolition
of World Trade Center
so they already decided
before they even
did their study
about what they're going to find
that's what he just said
what a pile of shit
before a single sample
was even known to exist
it was decided
that something was more energetically
taking down those buildings
and that must have been some sort of explosion in there
there was a pre-decision
about what was to be found
it's written in the paper that that is the case
they also pre-decided
that it wasn't paint
so automatically they weren't going to
consider all of the things that are known
to exist in paint that would have produced flakes
specifically that would have produced
flakes of
this bound
aluminium paste
iron oxide, red oxide
and the
siloxane on top of
magnetically recoverable pieces
of
mikesha's iron oxide
no
the peer review on that paper
was abominable
it was criticised
as a journal that was a bit lax
at the time, I think someone had to resign over it
maybe some people had to
resign over it
about allowing that paper
it's dead, it's dead
nanothermite, a theory of
9.11 is dead
it does not exist anymore
people need to deal with that
no, no, no, no, no, no
wait, wait, wait
wait, wait, wait, wait
yeah, people
get with the programme
and if you want to see
I think
everybody knows who Denny Rancourt is
if you've been following the
Covid aspect
now in 2010 he already
called bull
to the nanothermite
processes
and let me just see if I can find that
this is even
Mike Heaton, let's see
that's a long one
there's a short one here
because even Mike Heaton recently now
woke up to
9.11 truth as well
it's only recently
I've never spent any
time on 9.11, why
because I concluded
that they must have destroyed them
in some way, what does it matter to me
how they did it and then
somebody said you should watch
Judy Woods where did the towers go
and I watched a bit of it
and I thought oh shit
because what she did very elegantly
is show you pictures
show you wreckage
just keep asking where did the towers go
so you know
you ask any person
for the 110 story
steel frame building
with Masonry and so on
let's say you could
store up all of the structural members
and allow it to fall in a heap
maybe you could hit the bits of Masonry
with really big sledge hammers
how big would the pile be on the floor at the bottom
and they reason for a bit
and they go 10 floors
and I'll say I don't know
but yeah maybe a pile
10th how big was the pile
and I'll say it was about a floor high
about a floor and a half high
floor and a half high and then they go
where did it go and I go exactly
so the only
conclusion I drew from that
scientifically because I don't know how they did it
but I know they didn't do it
using methods I understand
because all methods I understand
would have produced a stocking great pile
of waste
and it wasn't there
so that's
and then here's the next thing so
something was used that we don't know about
that's true
and let's see
I think I've got the clip here
this is where
Denny Rancour
debated Niels Harrod
did I put that other clip in here at all
I think I've got the 2020
debate that they have
and this is where
Gage mentioned it
let's see
that's the interview with the BBC
guy
and you just need to listen to
how disingenuous Niels Harrod is
here
that's the update
so I've got that clip
and I think I've got it in another article
so
this is
2024
this is
an aerospace engineer
who's part of Boston 9-11
he's a Dr Wood
supporter
but the Boston 9-11
organisation itself
is just another
glorified Richard Gage
groupie
this is him giving the presentation
because he was talking about
the nano
thermite challenge
from 2011
that was put out by a gentleman
who did all these calculations on how much
explosives it would take
how much thermite
the most powerful
explosives and everything
and sent that through to
A&E under
the leadership of Richard Gage
and that challenge
has never
ever been answered
but I missed one over here
this is a 2012
dust study
that was done by Dr James Millett
and he found that
the dust analysis comes
back that it was
primer painted
just like
Bob Greenier also found
so again it's very
very contentious when it comes to the
thermite in the dust aspect
and again here you
will see
this is the article
of 2025
with regards to
Bob Greenier
and here is Denny Rancourt
in 2020
when he had a science debate
on the thermite aspect as well
and listen to what his critiques
of that
dust sample
one statement you said
well they found
nanothermite well no they didn't
you know if you read that paper
and I've criticized it as I would
act as a reviewer
for a material science paper because I am a
material scientist and I've
stated and explained
why there is absolutely
no reliable evidence
of nanothermite presence in that
dust based on the data
that was reported in that paper
that is a paper that
reviewers
should have
caught as just being untenable
that much more work was needed
and one of the main just to give you
one example of one of the
fatal flaws in the paper
they analyzed for aluminum
by putting dust on
an aluminum holder
a pellet you need a conducting pellet
when you do these measurements
in electron microanalysis
they put a little bit of dust
on an aluminum slug
you're always going to get an aluminum signal
from that there's no way to avoid it
and that's what they did
and when I pointed this out they said
yeah we know but
we're going to do the measurements again
on a different slug
on a non aluminum slug I said great
send me the results when you get them
they never did it
so you know
if you were to use one word
regarding the results of that paper
it would be
unreliable and I'm being polite
no none of the people
the
first author of the paper is not even a material
scientist he never used these
characterization methods before
I taught these characterization methods
at the graduate level
at university for years
I know exactly what the artifacts are
they did all the things you should never do
and then they concluded something
which you couldn't conclude
based on their data
and then it became what everyone's talking about
so it's just not reliable at all
there's no
evidence of nanothermic
presence at all
in the dust from that paper
now if in
recent in the recent year or two
they redid the measurements and they published it
I didn't see it well that's something else
but the paper that everyone
is citing
and talking about and that was even reviewed
in the European
Journal of
Association Journal recently
a couple years ago
it's a nonsense paper
I'm sorry but it's wrong
and it normally would not have been published
now I'm fine with people publishing
things on the internet and having it critiqued
openly and so on
but normally using
rigorous peer review that paper
would not have been published in fact
two editors and chief
of that publication resigned over that paper
two in a row
so
no you can't say there was nanothermic
there in my opinion
and then you can just
go through the rest this is then
the
presentation that Bob Greenier gave
and some screenshots out of
the presentation
and some of the discussions and then
some further updates
of the fallout
after he published
that presentation of his
so now
we need to move over to
what happens when
people actually sit through
and
switch off all the noise and basically
just cancel out all the noise
that they've heard over all these years
and just then
listen
to this with an open mind
because people say
and they knee jerk
and they go
into some sort of existential
threat type of
no it can't be
like you lying
I've been fooled but I'm not
going to admit it to myself type type thing
and this is another
podcaster in the UK
that had Richard Gage
on like you've had and he sat through
Richard Gage's little
selling
bullet
points that he does
he basically
tells you what to think
and then after you sat through
the full presentation with me
this is the
final thought
that he shared so
it's important to see because I'm also
showing
an angle
of the World Trade Center
North Tower that a lot of people
hardly ever see
and you can physically see
how the steel when it's
falling to the ground
is turning into dust in
midair and the first time that I
saw this clip
I was completely dumbfounded because you hardly
ever see this
yeah
well I mean
before
I sort of came across you and I came across
you after posting on Twitter about
my interview with Richard Gage
and you kind of interacted
with that post
before that time I had never heard
this narrative
at all
in conspiracy kind of circles
anywhere at all
and I'd just like to say that
this has been a very nice
long-form podcast where you've
presented
a heck of a lot of information
and I've got to be honest
man this
to me
and again doing what we
ask our audience to do here is
keep an open mind of being able to be presented
with evidence and not necessarily
you know
take it in or throw it away just be able
to hold that information
and I'm trying to as you're talking
and as you all kind of
give me this evidence that you've got
I'm trying to weigh it up in my mind's eye
with what Richard Gage
also presented in a very
you know kind of professional way
and all that kind of stuff
and I've got to be honest
the way that the
if you just watch what happened
particularly the thing that
stuck out to me was watching those steel beams
as they were collapsing
and turning to dust
if you literally just look at
physically watch the buildings collapse
or watch the buildings
disintegrate
on a molecular level
yeah it does
it makes more
sense even though
the idea of it
is way more far out
because we're led to believe like
you said we're led to believe that it's pure
science fiction
whereas thermite and explosives
we all know that stuff exists we all know
that it can be used and all that kind of stuff but it doesn't
actually fit what you
watch when you actually
when you take the narratives away
from your mind and you just look at
the events taking place
it certainly fits better with that
so I want to thank you
for
for countering
when I was
kind of promoting that Richard Gage episode
what do you think about that Weezy?
yeah it's
real fascinating
and we have
someone in the comments
this is my story super awesome
woman there she says
Richard Gage never
set well with me now I know
why lots of snakes running
in the sea and grass
yeah
that's just it so the biggest
thing is having an open mind
and
being willing to admit that
things that you have held dearly
for a long time
may all have been bullshit
and this is where I met with a lot of me
they had me for a very very long time
for a very very long time
and I believe the official story
for the longest the fucking times
you know what I'm saying
and that's the worst
I mean obviously
I'm starting to
yeah the whole Richard Gage shit
seems like a fucking style
but
the biggest one of them
all was the official story
you know what I'm saying
and I believe that shit
look
sink in whatever the fuck
I believed it for the longest time
I went into the fire service
because of that
you know what I'm saying because
I wanted to
be patriotic I wanted to serve
my country because of the sacrifices
of these men I'm not saying
these men deserved what they got
at all I'm not saying that at all
I'm saying they got fucked over
by their own fucking government
and now you can go to New York
I got murdered
yes and now you go to
New York and they have these little fucking
kiosks and fucking little
cards to say never forget
motherfuckers you guys killed them
what are you talking about
you want me to believe that
these fucking people living in caves
with boxcutters did all this fucking
elaborate bullshit when you
motherfuckers were the ones behind
this shit
and so
but now
what you're presenting
and what I have become receptive
fairly recently I'm not gonna say
oh yeah I knew this shit all along
no fuck no I'm being
100% truthful I've only recently
become
become open to it
and like I said at the very
very beginnings because of the AI bullshit
how crazy
good AI has gotten
in the last few years but
it just goes a show
man
you're pretty impressed with this sigh up
that has been going so long
and how many people still
today will
want to punch you in the face
if you dare question
the official narrative
today still
and that's what's so scary
and I guess
it's kind of wild to me
because I live out here
in Sarasota, Florida
I've talked
about this ad nauseam to all my listeners they know
the whole Muhammad Ata
shit that my neighbor did
lines of coke and drink beers with Muhammad Ata
I know someone
personally that
had personal interactions with Muhammad Ata
and that's crazy to me
if anyone wanted to
visit me out here in Sarasota, Florida
I've joked around I'll give you the 9-11 tour
I'll tell you where
the royal Saudis that allegedly funded
there I'll show you
the house that Muhammad Ata
rented out I'll show you the strip club
we could throw some money at them
holes at the strip club I'll show you where
Muhammad Ata used to go and
I'll drive you by the elementary school
where George Bush was
the morning of 9-11
so I am super, super
invested like I said
I chose a career path
in firefighting because of 9-11
it's not like something
it's not like something that I just
yeah whatever you know lack of
daisical about it or whatever no
I've been balls deep in this bitch
and
for the longest time I was like man
yeah control demolition, control demolition
WT7
number 7 everyone
look at that, look at that, look at that
but now
building 7 is next up and
my dear friend
once I tell you what
actually happened to building 7
you're going to be even more pistol
I'm loving this man because
like I said my brother
this was it was almost
by chance that you and I
connected
and
I'm fucking vibing with this man
like I told you at the very beginning
my mind is open to all this shit
my mind is ready
upon the
available evidence being presented
my mind is ready to change man
I'm not going to be rigid on this shit
just be oh my god I can't
believe I was wrong no
I'm willing to admit that I was fucking duped
and wrong based on the available
evidence
I was in a podcast with
another guy I forget
his name is Tai
it's the Disclosure
podcast or
or something he's into the UFO
type type stuff
but he mentioned
I think he was in third grade
when 9-11 happened
and in his school
they were forced
or made to stand
at attention
every day at 9-11
in the morning
so that's how they
were conditioned
to the
government narrative and now
that's coming in and there are
people who are trying to fight against it
is that they want
to bring in into the school
curriculum where they are
going to brainwash the kids
on the government narrative
so find out in your local
school district or whatever
there's an organisation
the gentleman's name is Michael Zarzano
he's from Truth Action
Project he's
lobbying and he can give you the
information pertaining to what
states are trying to bring
that in now
but we digress let's finish
up quickly with the
World Trade Centre
area because
I want to quickly now say
this is a clip
with regards to the artifacts
that was found in the rubble
and when you listen to this
think jet fuel
think controlled demolition
things being blown apart
and what was actually found
in the rubble
because again
those things
do not
explain
what was
found
it's hard
to picture the 7 buildings
that were lost
7 World Trade Centre was
47 floors
building 6 had 8 floors
buildings 5 and 4
were 9 floors each
the towers 1 and 2
were 110 floors each
and number 3
was a 22 floor hotel
building
piece by piece
those buildings have sailed on
barges across the Hudson
to a landfill on Staten Island
here the ruins are separated
sorted and searched again
tons of concrete
rolled by before there's even
a hint of a light
a frequent flyer card
or the keys to the office
they've manned these
or a passport
and after 8 months of that
for many
there's a sense of loss
at leaving
when it's all over it's going to be hard
it's going to be hard to say goodbye to this
but we will
and though this operation
will end
the friendships and bonds that will form never will
Jim Luongo and Bruce Bobino
of the NYPD
and the FBI's Richard Marx
run the operation
give me some sense of what you've found
over the last 7 months or so
it's life interrupted
it's just bits and pieces of people's lives
you see all the cars
that we've brought up here
as you go through and try to get the personal effects
out of cars
you find golf clubs
you find birthday presents
you find kids toys in the car
it's just a snapshot of these people's lives
that roughly came going in
if you look at this
you wouldn't believe you could find anything
they're finding the most minute
things personal belongings
pieces of evidence
body parts
they're finding it all
is there one artifact that stands out
for any particular reason for you
I think the lack of artifact
stands out to me quite a bit
I think the fact that I haven't seen a door
I haven't seen a phone
I haven't seen a computer
I haven't seen a doorknob
I think that stands out
but for the things that we have seen
every now and then we'll come across
a stuffed animal
that might have been on somebody's desk
pictures that were on people's desks
that we're trying to restore
you have 210
story office buildings
you don't find a desk
you don't find a chair
you don't find a telephone
a computer
the biggest piece of a telephone I found
was half of the keypad
and it was about this big
the building collapsed to dust
anything I've ever seen like that
I've seen collapses
and then demolition buildings
but nothing like this was
unbelievable like I said there wasn't a door
there wasn't anything to be found
it was all disintegrated
all rubble
concrete with small little pieces
not even slabs
no desks, no furniture
no computers, no phones, no anything
so I imagine
I imagine the people
were the same as the building
we're talking here
about 43,600 windows
600,000 square feet of glass
200,000 tons
of structural steel
5 million square feet
of gypsum
6 acres of marble
and 425,000 cubic yards
of concrete
turned in good part into a cloud
says environmental medical doctor Stephen Levin
I was astonished
at the degree to which
solid materials were turned into
pulverized dust
but most interesting
in the mix they are looking they think at
specks of steel that used to be beams
and elevators marble
from the lobby floor and facings
so what were once the strongest
architectural elements in the two towers
were pulverized large portions
turned into clouds
like this one
still there is this mystery
if some of the hardest materials were vaporized
how to account for the presence
everywhere of paper
fully intact letters business forms
stationary paper is so fragile
and combustible and yet somehow
maybe because we have so much of it
it was everywhere
I was standing there thinking
we got 210
story office buildings
what's in an office building?
desks, couches, chairs, computers
whatever
in the nine days I stood there
never saw a desk
never saw a computer
never saw a couch
never saw a chair
nothing
you wanted to survive 9-11?
you had to be a piece of paper
because there was a hell
of a lot of paper everywhere
but they estimated
that there should have been
about
45,000
filing cabinets
how many filing cabinets did they find
easy?
zero
they found one
in the basement
of the mall area
in Ben & Jerry's
and
it was crumpled up
into the size of a basketball
and when they cut it
opened and pried it open
they found unburned paper
inside it and unburned
money and
due to the papers and everything that was
in that filing cabinet they could figure out
it was Ben & Jerry's
it was belonging to Ben & Jerry's
and they actually gave the money that was
in the filing cabinet back
to the owner of Ben & Jerry's
what makes a filing cabinet
shrivel up into the size
of a baseball but doesn't burn
the papers inside it
that's the part that makes me
think of Lahaina
you know what I'm saying?
but Lahaina had
a heat signature
what I'm just saying
there was parts of Lahaina
where shit was just
totally nuked
and burnt over
and then right next to it palm trees
that weren't even grazed
but that's a completely
different technology
that was possibly used
I haven't studied it that much
but people make that connection
where this whole thing
you had the dust cloud come over
the people and then we're going to cover that
when we get to the cause
but the dust cloud was cold
it didn't burn the paper
around or anything like that
the trees weren't burning all that kind of stuff
so yeah just quickly
we're going to just quick
jump into this article
with regards to what happened
to the buildings because
what Gage has been very good at
and A&E Architects for Engineer
Truth is
they've been very successful
of having truth seekers
not
count past
three that is the twin towers
and building seven
and for
basically the last
eight or nine years their main
focus has only been
on building seven
to push their control them in the deletion
narrative on building seven
because if they sell
control demolition to you
with regards to building seven then automatically
you will just assume
that the twin towers
was control demolition as well
and that is something
that people should take in mind
now this is
a clip with
William Langavish
only journalist allowed into ground zero
after September 13th
2001 and you've got to
notice what he says in this
clip with regards to the
Greek Orthodox church
so pay close attention
it's just a minute clip
one of the surprising things
you could call it almost a
sad poetic justice
is it the only buildings
that were completely destroyed
by this collapse were the
buildings that carried the trade center
label buildings one through seven
no other
buildings with the exception
of the small Orthodox church
there that dissolved
were destroyed
and every building that carried
the label died
so what did he say
about the Greek Orthodox church
did you catch that
repeat I'm sorry
he said the
small Orthodox church
dissolved
and that is very
very telling
so I want to also touch
we also need to touch upon
the bathtub
that was around the World Trade
Center complex
because that was a retaining wall
that was built because they had to
dig through
70 feet of ground to get
onto the bedrock to
fix the
building to the bedrock
and the bathtub was needed
because it was pretty much
built in the Hudson River
so they had to have this retaining wall
this dyke built around it
to keep the water from
coming in and flooding
the basements and then also
the path trains that ran under
the basements sections
of it and
let's just quickly go through this room
The World Trade Center
is located in the financial district
of Lower Manhattan, New York City
this is the view of the World Trade
Center complex today
this is where the old time and famous
Twin Towers were located
the Twin Towers were the world
tallest building from 1971
to 1973
the height of the North Tower
was 1368 feet
and South Tower
was 1362 feet
the one World Trade Center building
today is the same height as North Tower
without the supplier
Twin Towers each had 110 floors
let's go back
to before 9-11 attack
the whole World Trade Center complex
looked very different compared to today's
this was building 7
building 6
5, 4, 3, 2 and 1
also known as Twin Towers
under the ground
there was layer of slurry wall
around this complex
MES note the 70 feet
the bedrock should be shown much
shorter than the 208 feet
wide Twin Towers
it was used to prevent water
from the Hudson River going through the soil
and flood the construction site
there were 6 levels
of floors under the ground
the foundation of the Twin Towers
went 70 foot deep
down to the bedrock
this is the core of the building
running from the bedrock
to the top of the building
MES note again
the underground depth is not to scale
each Twin Tower was 208 feet
wide
the depth from ground level
to the bedrock was 70 feet deep
the below ground floors
of the 3D model should be
much more shallow
as in the shown construction images
so basically in this
3D model
where they basically have the first
level underneath
the base that is about
how deep the basement
was
it just shows you
the stuff that people put out there
that already gives you
a misconception of what
actually go goes on
and again this is
just to show you
building through the Marriott Hotel
now you had
110 story building
right next to it
and the South Tower
disintegrated first
okay and
later on the North Tower
went but what was left
you can see people here
in the street in front of
what used to be the Marriott Hotel
again there was a 22 story
building and in the background
you can see the remnants
of the South Tower
now Richard Gage
wants you to believe
that everything got ejected
literally 600 feet
in all directions
do you see
rubble
around there
conducive
to
80 stories
above the
Marriott Hotel lying around there
they pretty much standing
in the street
that's got hardly any rubble in it
and then
if you go through this article
of mine I've got a hyperlink
right over there to
an additional article
on each and every
building to give you
more information and again
with building 4 with that section
that's been cut off that's
missing the basements underneath
World Trade Center 4 were empty
so nothing fell through
to the basements or anything like that
that's the damage with
building
5
and this is the cookie cutter
that's got
the middle of
World Trade Center 6
scooped out now
this building in the foreground
stood across the street
from the North Tower
and if you look at the picture
it's not clobbered
it's not damaged
and this building was something I think like
20-25 stories high
so if you've got a building
that's 80 stories higher than
what that building is
and things get ejected
literally 600 feet in all directions
why is it
in pristine condition
again
that's a damn good question
that I think most people
most people look at these pictures
and don't
explore it any further and I don't think it's done by
it's done on purpose
it's just this is the way we
have been conditioned to think
to overlook
obvious shit like this
you know what I'm saying
and then
again now with building 7
there's a huge
major anomaly with that
but we're going to get into that now
separately and then
we're going to this is just
even more information about the survivors
that people can go read through
then the bankers trust
bankers trust
was opposite the South Tower
now that building
sustained some major damage
and it was
initially repaired
and then there was
some sort of ongoing
effects
happening to that building
and they then deemed
it's unsafe for occupation
and they ended up dismantling
that building
and then you've got the
St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church
so at the end of the day
when all was said and done
the damage at the World Trade Center
nine buildings
disappeared
when all was said and done
not just the three
that Richard Gage and his cronies
and all the other truth
and movement and organizations
and podcasters
and everybody talks about
because as soon as you manage to count
past three and you look at the 9-11 orphans
that's what I call them
that's building 3, 4, 5, 6
the Bankers Trust in the Greek Orthodox Church
now with
regards to the St. Nicholas
Greek Orthodox Church
I need to show you something else as well
so let's go to that article
because what they found
in the rubble
of that building
was a
religious heirloom
what did they call it
the icon of
Sint Spuridon
now this artifact
was in an aluminium frame
and
they found that paper
painting of it in the rubble
but the aluminium around it
seemed to have
burned off or whatever
but the paper was
intact and unscorched
now you've got to keep in mind
the melting point of silver is
1760 degrees
Fahrenheit
so if you want to say
that that aluminium frame
melted
but the paper didn't burn
something like that can't happen
even paper's burning point
is a lot lower than that
and
then where is
the other one
I haven't got that yet
I've got the Bible
I've got it in a different article
where did I put the Bible
that they found in the rubble as well
but in any case I can just tell you about this
there was a Bible also found
that was
fused into
steel
and concrete and all of that
and it also had
a piece of what seemed to be
molten metal flowing
over the page but the pages
of the Bible were scorched
and you can actually
the Pope visited that Bible
and it is displayed
in the
911 Memorial Museum
as well so you can go check
check that out
now something that I've got to
have people realise
pertaining to
building 6
the one with the cookie cutter
is everybody knows
about old Lucky Larry
and his pullet
comment
and
nothing
I want people to
I want to hear your
response
after you hear this
where we just point
out
I haven't got this yet
I think it should
it's going to be in my
building 6
article
let me just quickly
get the building 6
article real quick
sorry for the hold up
I thought I had it
cued but I cued the wrong
wrong one
no worries
let's give a shout out to
Ms. Cajones
Ms. Puff
joining the stream as well
and
opants
number 7
hell yeah
thank you everyone that's made it out
and we'll listen throughout the week
I haven't got it here
but in any case
let's listen to this clip
because Lucky Larry was talking about
building 7 being pulled
but the real
pullet
was a different building
because the reason
they discuss
the reason why
it was done in the way that they had
to do it and this also comes back
into relation to the bathtub
because if it was damaged
then it would have flooded
lower Manhattan
oh we're getting ready to pull
building 6
we had to be very careful how we demolish
building 6
we were worried about the building 6
coming down and then damaging the
the slurry wall so we wanted that
particular building to fall within a certain area
we got the cables attached
in four different locations
going up and they'll be pulling
pulling the building to the north
it's not every day you try to pull
down an 8 story building with cables
so did you hear that they pulled
down building 6 using cables
because they were too afraid
to use explosives
in case of damaging
the bathtub wall
so if you're using explosives
to take down
a 500,000 ton
110 story building
and here
you've got guys worried about an 8 story
building damaging the bathtub
and the
210 story buildings didn't do it
you'd still think
these are viable evidence
or stuff that
or points that you can ponder
and bring into a court of law
and actually win the case stating that it was
controlled demolition
whatsoever
and this is big stuff
I'm giving you guys
a very deep dive on this
you might want to come back and watch it again
in bite-sized pieces
because even for me
it took me a very long time to work
through all of this because
it's so out there
but
here's all the evidence
the guys, the controlled demolition guys
stating like dude
we're pulling it down
the full clip of this is actually
where the guys are talking about
and taking bets whether or not
they'll be able to get it done
and do it safely
and the people who were on the ground
they didn't even realize
what they were doing
and what implications
that had
and that is just
how traumatic that whole
experience was
now
again, building 7
the
let's go, it is a controlled demolition
because it is freefall
but there is a specific
anomaly that has
never been touched upon
because as soon as you hear
this following clip
you will see
that there is a problem
now remember
the two twin towers
were about 500,000 tons
each
and then
that's where I get my
1 million tons of debris
when I talked about earlier
because some people may have
heard that and were like
what are you talking about 1 million tons
this is where I'm getting this number
500 tons each
tower
500,000
and again
given that
this is what I do for a fucking living
this is what I do every day
haul heavy loads
a maximum weight
a truck and handle is about 8 tons
think about
the time it takes
to load each truck
it's going to take a few minutes
you're not just going to grab
one fucking scoop of 8 tons
it's going to take a few minutes
to load it up
to that maximum allowable weight
and then it's got to take off
and go dump it to its destination
the logistics
make zero sense
when you consider all this
information
that I never even thought about myself until recently
you know what I'm saying
so this is
just for people that are maybe on the
fans maybe they're thinking that this is all
that shit crazy
think about it
then it digest
also think about
the weight of building 7
building 7
was 230,000
tons
and then you also need to cart away
building 3
all that small little stub of it that was left
building 4
building 5
and building 6
and then a couple of years later
they took the bankest trust apart
after they spent a couple of million repairing it
now
here is the kicker for building 7
people
hold onto your seats
put your seats in an upright position
we're about to take off
you are about to learn about something
about building 7
that
is not talked about
and you will see
the expression
on David Chandler and Richard Gages
faces
when I asked this question
of them in
2023
they nearly
pooped
their panties
they nearly shat their pants is what you want to say Norman
I
I'm just trying to
be
kind of civil and sarcastic
by my being civil
fuck that
shit let's go
this is the water truth
podcast I give zero
fucks man
look
at top left you will see that's David Chandler
he's a high school
physics teacher
that doesn't know anything about physics
actually
old Richard Gage and then as soon as
Gail that's now Richard Gage's new wife
and
she was still very very new to the whole
thing that's just pretty much when
Richard Gage in 23
went on his whole
lonesome
after being kicked out of A&E
and
that question
like this is usually on her
don't ask
is probably on a don't ask list
allow to be asked
list now so just
see the expressions
on Chandler he
and then Richard Gage smiles
and if you go google
the term
dupers delight
and that's a big
tell when you can
and you'll get some
examples from
from old what's his face
the NFL
football guy who killed his wife
driving down the
highway
OJ Simpson there's a bunch of
examples where people
break down OJ Simpson's
dupers delight
the building falling could it be
measured on the Richter scale
well there were
when it fell
it created seismic waves that were
picked up I don't remember the names of the places
I never looked into that
Ted Walter who I was doing this paper with
has done some and then there's
some other guys who have looked at
the seismic signals that
they picked up from line 11
the second part of that question was
what seismic readings could we expect
I'm not a seismologist
let's go on
I'm not a seismologist
but he's been
he's been preaching
about building 7 and everything
for 18 odd years
and how can a physics teacher
not
know about the seismic reading or whatever
it's absolutely ludicrous
and they truth seekers
or whatever
no no no no no no
and here let's go on and you can see here
how old
Richard Gage is going to go into
his old duper's delight because he thinks
oh yeah David John besides did that
nicely
Up above at the top
there's WTC1's
impact on the ground
and what's below that
that blue data
that was an earthquake that was in midtown Manhattan
that same year it's approximately the same
magnitude
and
it was a 2.4 instead of a 2.3
but you notice the signals are
very very different
notice the high frequency in the
blue signal but notice
that you first get the primary
wave arriving
that little it's kind of like snout leading up to the big
wave and then the secondary wave
is that bigger one but you can't
see those same signals
from when the towers hit
if the towers are slamming down
into bedrock they should be ringing like a tuning fork
right here's the signal
for the tower one
it lasted
eight seconds it takes nine and a half
seconds to throw a bowling ball off the roof
and have it hit the ground below
the building went away faster than it could have fallen
it didn't hit the ground didn't slam the ground
that's why there's no S&P waves
there's only surface waves
and that's what you would get if you lifted
the building off the ground
you know think of you know two people
sleeping together in the same bed one person
gets up the other person in a conventional
mattress the other person heals the disturbance
right if you lift
a 500,000 time building off the ground
it's going to cause a surface disturbance
right that's all that was recorded
not anything going boom on the bedrock
this is the kingdom
so here's the control demolition
and it produces a P wave
and an S wave
so just to
interject the kingdom
was a concrete
stadium that weighed
130,000
tons
building seven
230,000
tons and the two towers
500,000
tons now
listen to what the seismic readings
were in comparison
and the Seattle Kingdom
registered a 2.3
and that was
830,000
tons
if we have
Seattle Kingdom
we're going to look at things relative to that
that made a 2.3 on the Richter scale
when it was blown up by control demolition
and
we have these two towers
let's say for the tower 2
was the first to go
so if we turn it to dust
all but the bottom 16 stories
and
then drop a 16 story building to the ground
we record
approximately the same seismic signal
as
what was recorded on 9-11
just
pretend this rest doesn't exist
did you follow that
130,000
ton building
registered a 2.3
and
the World Trade Center
number two
went down and registered a 2.1
500,000
tons versus
130,000
tons
and for tower 2 if you turn it
into dust above the 20th story
and just drop a 20 story building to the ground
you get
the seismic signal that was recorded
and for building 7
it's all
but the bottom 2.5 stories
where's the rest
of the building
WTC2 just went away at the top
and then WTC1
and then you have
these various quarry blasts all day
and then see down here at the bottom
that was the earthquake
in the Fox Islands which is up part of the
Lucian Islands
Fox Islands in the Lucian Islands
is 5,000
miles away
so what Richard Gage and them sometimes
try and counter the seismic readings
is oh the seismographs
and stuff were too far away
the closest one
I think was something like 20 miles away
and there were 5 different
seismic
stations that recorded the
seismic readings that all recorded
the same seismic readings
so anybody wanting to tell you
there was something wrong with
the measuring equipment
sorry it's verified by 5 different
stations
but look at the thing just before then
that was building 7 going away
you can't even see it on the chart
it made a 0.6
equivalency on the Richter scale
which is like a jack hammer
and it was 6 times
the mass of the kingdom
no wave traveled through the earth
it was only surface waves
that doesn't happen in building demolitions
you know you always have an S wave
and a P wave at building demolitions
that right there those numbers
right there that we're seeing on the screen as well
so
the number of titanics
2 equals about 10 titanics
each
so
if you can pause this
this is where my experience as
someone that has hauled
extremely heavy weights
and when I mean extremely heavy weights
super illegal
had I been pulled over
I would have gone to prison
for that type of illegal
type of weight carrying
most trucks maximum weights
is about 8
10 tons max
that's a lot of weight
just to get an example
of what 10 tons is
a massive
African elephant
I'm talking about these huge motherfuckers
that are as big as trees
weighs about
6 to 7 tons
and that is
typically the maximum
weight that
a
commercial vehicle can haul
and so when we're talking about
a million tons of debris
when you can only carry
7 tons at a time
if you
took 7 cents
and
every
15 minutes
added 7 cents to a jar
would you have a million
dollars in a month
I'm giving you that example
because this is what we're expected to believe
was hauled off in just a short amount
of fucking time
so this is the example I'm trying to
get you guys to understand
if this sounds so fucking far
fetched so fucking
crazy use
that analogy I just gave you because I've been
thinking about this for a while now
if you took 7 cents
and added 7 cents
to that bank account
every day for a couple of months
would you have a million dollars
after 2 months
obviously the answer is
fucking no
so where is the rest of this
fucking rubble
that is unaccounted for
that's all I'm asking
that is all I'm asking
so
also what
the truth movement is doing with you
they are only giving you certain
information so what I've got on the screen
right now for the people on
Spotify
is a picture of
a bunny
with a
heading
this is a cat
now the way we know that
this bunny is a cat
is because it's got a cute little nose
it's got long whiskers
and short
soft fur
and when you look at the picture
it's around about the size of a cat
now you've got limited information
to go with so
how to make the public believe
this is a cat in 3
easy steps
exclude
sensor
or misrepresent key evidence
whilst drawing attention to more
ambiguous evidence
point 2
get another group to claim it's
an elephant
and then make a big deal about debunking
a crazy claim
using the scientific method
and this creates
the illusion
of scientific credibility
now if you go back
to 2025
there was a huge
big debate
between Richard Gage
and Jim Fetzer
Richard Gage was going
for control demolition at the World Trade Center
and James Fetzer
was going for nukes
at the World Trade Center
and they ended up debunking
each other but agreed
about high heat
at the World Trade Center
which is also absolutely bullshit
and they also did a plane
no plane debate with one another
where they actually used some of my flipping
information and there's
an article on that as well
I don't think I cued that up to work through it
so back to
proving to people that
the picture of a bunny is a cat
point 3
is persuaded over 1500
it's now 3500
or so
pet store owners
to sign a petition agreeing
it's a cat also
again people remember when Gage says
oh we've got 3500
architects and engineers or whatever
bullshit it's people
who signed the petition
over the last 20 years
the people aren't involved
with the organization
or doing research or anything
they went online
putting their name and their details
in a telephone number in their email address
and signed a petition that's it
they've got no credibility
in the organizations of themselves
or whatever there's maybe 10 people working there
spending
the millions of dollars that they get
a year I've done
a deep dive you can go on to
my sub stack again
read the donate now for
disinformation article
while I break down
the International Center for 911 Justice
A&E
the International Lawyers
Committee type thing
all of these poob organizations
because they're all non-profit companies
so their
financials are available to the public
and if you go look at A&E
under Richard Gage
between 2014
and 2024 they got
seven and a half million
dollars
in donations
Richard Gage pays himself
$121,000
a year that was his
salary in 2020
so
damn
good intention for truth seekers
paying for the grace of the government
I'm sorry man
I was just saying that I had to work
back breaking labor
for that kind of money
like
I wasn't doing podcast tours
no I was busting my fucking ass
to make that kind of
scratch
it
it sucks man because
the thing is a lot of people follow
these
quote unquote truth tellers because
they want the truth
they know that the government is lying to them
so they're trying to find
okay what is the real truth
and then we get presented with these other
fucking charlatans
these other fucking scumbags
people don't want to do the work themselves
they want to be spoon fed
go out and do the work yourself
it's taken me thousands of hours
I've put in that's why I've got
200 articles
that I've put together
so I'm trying to save
people time
I'm going on to X when people come into my
comment sections and want to badmouth me
I tell them okay
this is what you've got wrong
read this article listen to this short little clip
and go do it
but how many people actually do it
but I'm still spending the time
interacting with people like
that where Richard Gage will just post
something and people can go wild
in the comment sections
so yeah so just getting back to
this being a cat and everything and how
they've been bullshitting people about building 7
as well so
if you can't suppress the evidence
to call this
bunny a cat then you call it
a theory and that's what they've done with Dr Wood
she's presented
evidence
but they've called it a theory they keep on calling
it a theory she hasn't presented
any theory she said
listen listen listen listen this happened
these are all the anomalies
and it cannot be
explained by any thermal or kinetic mechanism
so it must be something else
so it points to
some sort of
weaponized breakthrough
energy and we'll get into the breakthrough
energy later on
in the conversation so
with regards to this being a cat the key evidence
that was kept
from the public is
it's got long floppy ears short fluffy tail
hops about
it's vegetarian it hasn't
got cat eyes it's not agile
and does not meow
then you know it's a
a bunny
and that's the thing with
building 7
there is no
seismic reading for a
230,000 ton building slamming
to the ground that building
was fuming up
in too dust during the course of the
day
and yeah here's the clip of old
Lacky Larry that I want people
to realize about
how he himself
was part of the cover up
and steering people down a dead ends
alley with regards to this
control demolition
with Larry Silverstein and the
pull it
you know the pull it comment
and to think that he would have made
that comment to
you know stir up people in the truth
movement
that doesn't make a lot of sense to
people
they just can't believe that you would
actually
in other words you would actually engineer
the cover up to take in
the people who were already questioning the official
story they didn't see the second and third
and fourth layer of this
it's just beyond
the level of comprehension
so of course he was
part of it because he said just
exactly the right words
and then everybody thought see see
pull it means
control demolition
can you pause that real quick
you know
so
Norman this kind of touches
back to what
I was saying at the very beginning
before we even started this where
you're only giving binary
options it's either
choice A or choice B
no other options
and so what this
this person is just saying is exactly
what I said at the very beginning
you're
presented with one or two
and that's it
and for all you know
there could be a third fourth fifth
sixth seventh eighth option
to it all but you're fixated
on a binary
thing and this is
this is exactly what they're talking about with Larry Silverstein right now
yeah and we all know he's
not a good guy
but he also
bamboozled
the people who thought that they are going to
catch him out
so he just
did a number on new truths
seekers as well
another one
okay but I think
that's the point that we need to make
we don't need to listen to the rest because that makes sense
then oh this is the other
I get so pissed off
when people play
the whole
BBC thing as of that is
something wonderful to know
we have now solved building 7
what did CNN
have to say an hour prior to
to building 7 going down
so let's have a listen
the CNN an hour
ahead of time
joining us
we are getting information now that one of the other
buildings building 7
in the World Trade Center complex is on fire
and has either collapsed or
is collapsing
and I
to be honest can see these pictures a little bit more clearly
than I
has collapsed or is collapsing
hour beforehand and that's how it went
to Reuters
there's actually another
TV station
that was actually saying
building 7 has collapsed
and we are now going to go over
live to see
what the CNN is like and then they pan over
and within a minute
after they pan over that's when
building 7 went down
so there was a lot of misinformation
during the course of the day I think
there were
two or three or four
reports of
the Bank of Stress
building going down or whatever so it was a chaotic day
a lot of misinformation
all over the show so just because
Jane Stanley was doing
a pre recording
to the UK or whatever
that doesn't
prove anything
it's ridiculous but people
don't go through the reports
during the course of the day
now
I want to go to my other article
just go through the rest of this article because
it just points to you
the differences between a controlled
demolition and the actual
what we saw on 9-11
because with a controlled demolition whenever
building goes down
the dust of the building
doesn't go higher than the original
height
it's a 15 minute video
we're not going to play it now but
in the picture that I've got on the screen now
if you look on the left
that's pretty much as high as
the dust cloud
for that controlled demolition went
and for building 7
and this is something
Gage and the guys never show you
that is like
Mount St. Helen's
erupting
so that is that whole building
that was just a
dust pile that went
and frothed up into the
upper atmosphere
and that's something that Gage will never show you
that picture
that controlled demolition doesn't do that
so
he's worked through that
building 7 article and then I've got a
second one
where I call it
the building 7 hoax
and this is a gentleman
with the name of Edward
Current
in 2011 he had
a whole problem with conspiracy theorist
talking about controlled
demolitions and everything
and he made a video
where people
see flashes of stuff
going off and everything and he ended up
just shortly after
talking about this hoax video
that he made and then
again in 2020 so this is a
2020 reboot of
where he was owning up to the fact
and laughing at the fact
that people are still sharing that hoax
video of his so let's quickly listen to this
lots of things
in an office building
can explode when heated
also
explosion like sounds are not necessarily
explosions they can be structural
failures
or even elevator cables snap
but isn't there a video showing actual
explosions
yes there is a hoax that I
myself made in 2011
to test the critical thinking of demolition
believers
in addition to flashes and explosion
sounds taken from real demolitions
I added a flying saucer
and made the building collapse even faster
than the real one
many people fell for it
there can be no doubt what we are witnessing
explosive detonations immediately
prior to the collapse of the mere 50
storey structure
it fooled the state legislator
this dumb website fell for it
and 10 years later people are
still sending it to me as proof
notice sounds of an actual
explosive demolition
woah so that guy is saying
he is the one that added those little
flashes to that video
is that what I heard right
holy fuck
Edward Currant
there is his
that is insane man
I had no idea about that
that definitely changes
a lot of shit in my mind
I even emailed him
and I asked him about the
seismic reading of
building 7
which he didn't know about
and then he basically said
don't contact me again
and I posted on his
probably in 2023
and then I just got the silent treatment
you blocked
even on X there is this
huge account
Illuminati bot
I don't know
most people follow that account
it's got 2.4 million followers
yeah
they rip off a lot of people's posts
no no no but
didn't rip off any of my posts
that account was sharing a lot of
the control demolition
thermite bullshit and then
I would go into the comment sections
and correct
the people in the comments
because at that stage I had like
5000 followers
and
an account
with 2.4
million followers
saw me
in the comment section
correcting people's
misconceptions
and then blocked
yeah
but I see that
that kind of falls in line with what I've been thinking
about Illuminati bot
these are controlled opposition
ops
they're not
they're not real truth seekers
because they do rip off
a lot of people's posts
and so for them to block you
that kind of falls in line with what I've been thinking
if you're speaking truth
they don't want you anywhere near their shit
now
your twitter channel you haven't mentioned this
you haven't brought it up
and it shows your humility
about it but I'm gonna fucking tell everyone
your pinned post
has 7.7 million views
I got lucky
I got lucky that week
the only reason I got lucky that week
is because I
ended up getting to the point
where I could possibly monetize it
but because
the
payout goes to Stripe
Stripe doesn't pay out to South Africa
and a friend of mine
who lives in Canada tried to set it up
but he's already got a Stripe account
so that completely and utterly
he bugged it up that
and I can't get the
the request
to get it cleared
I don't know who to contact at X
just to try and start a fresh
and because of that
then the algorithm
I think
lifted my shadow bang
so I had a week where each
and every post of mine went
super viral like
the one was 5 million
the other one was
4.5 million and then that one
peaked at 7. something
million
and then two days later
because I couldn't complete
the monetization type thing or whatever
then the throttle came
back again
so I can't
break through the algorithms
because I can't monetize it because if I
get more views X makes
money off my back type thing
so it's been a struggle
there's a I think
the one profile
Red Bull Drifter in
2023
started at the same time as
me but he does
various stuff I just focus
on my 11 alone
when I had
5000 followers he had 5000
followers he is now sitting
I think just
under 300,000 followers
in the same time where I've
been slowly but surely
ekeling to the following that I've got
now
so
it's difficult you've got tier one
you've got the controlled
opposition that gets all the
algorithm
the glory the love and glory
yeah and then
then us the real
the real people who are telling the real truth
we are marginalized we are
made fun of and the algorithms
are against us
yeah man I mean after
the little presentation you
gave us and even my own
experience in hauling
big loads and whatnot
it seems to make a lot of sense
and if I'm being honest
I guess the one
thing that kind of
threw me off was when I did see
Dr. Judy Wood on
PBD because
I view PBD as
straight up
controlled ops
100% controlled
ops and I was like oh man
that's like
I understand getting in front of a big audience
and trying to
spread the word but
when I see that this is just me
maybe I need to change my way of thinking
but when I see that personally
I'm like oh man that kind of killed
my conspiratorial
boner if you will
the problem that you don't know
the backstory and I actually recently
did an interview with Dr.
Wood about three weeks ago
and we touched on the PBD
podcast and
it was
a
attempt
to make a look bad and that's exactly
what they did they she sent them
four books
because she thought it's going to be
a panel discussion like they had with Richard Gage
in 2023
when you couldn't answer the simple
question of how
do you get all the bombs and stuff
in there and how much bombs and stuff
would it take
so she sent them four books
the books arrived there and they
were signed for
a week prior to she
arrived there for the interview
they told her she's not allowed
to bring any notes
any stuff she's
sent them the list
of videos and stuff that they can play
that they can excuse me
talk about and
they didn't do that they played
videos off Gage's website
and
also in the conversation
where they ask her about
her work
history
they had the interview
they shook hands
and said thank you for the interview
and then they just had a casual
ongoing chit chat
and that's when
he asked the question with regards to
her work history
so they
say they
edited it
in such a way as to
make it look like it was part of the interview
so it was
a complete and utter
what's the correct
word you can't really say ambush
interview it was
like a setup or
yeah it was a complete and utter
setup because
I could see that
yeah
so
what I wanted to say was
and I think we touched on it
earlier before we started
recording it was funny man
because as soon as we started speaking
for like a few minutes I was like
I'm gonna vibe with Norman man
you're right up
my alley man when it comes to a lot of this shit
but
as far as like
PBD any of these big podcasters
I told you
I view me as a small podcaster
but a lot of these fuckers
know me they know who the fuck I am
I've been making waves
and even within
these
shows and some of these shows
are fucking massive they're pretty fucking big
they know who the fuck I am
all those guys man
yeah but all of those are
I don't want to name drop
I'll call them out I'll call them out
because I fucking emailed them
I'm in their comment sections
they are talking about the technologies
and everything James Corbett is one of them
and I've got a whole list
but we're getting along we might have to make
do a part for 2
because
you're 7 hours
ahead of me so it has to be
super fucking late for you man
it's midnight now
let's do that man
and I'm not even done with the anomalies
of the day because I want to discuss
a boomer's not a bomb
I want to discuss the molten
metal fact or fiction
Erin and the magnetic field
then we need to go into
the
the disinformation
agents because I want to talk about
why Dr Wood was
cancelled she's cancelled of Wikipedia
if you can believe at that for the last 20 years
then I want to go into Stephenie Jones
I want to go into Alex Jones
Gordon Duff from veterans today
Catherine Austin Fitz
Brandon Asita from the PBD podcast
Kurt Weldon
the Corbett Report
Tucker Carlson and then
I want to discuss
Patricia Cazaza
and
I don't know
can you remember
the 9-11
Jersey girls
hell yeah
that's kind of like level
when you're getting into questioning 9-11
the Jersey girls
is kind of like entry level shit
and that's not in a derogatory
way I'm just saying that's kind of
your entry point like
because you aren't ready to hear
the truth
the real fucking truth about 9-11
and so the Jersey girls
is kind of like your easy way man
you know slide it in
a little bit of lube added
excuse
excuse the way I'm putting it
but that's really
if we're being honest that's the way a lot of people get
into questioning 9-11 is through
the Jersey girls because
here you have some widows
they lost loved ones in this tragic
um
in this tragedy
and they've tried
to go through the legal
avenues to get hurt and they've been shut down
every step of the way
and so for a lot of
people that's easier to digest
even if you don't want to go deeper
than that that's easier for people to digest
so yeah man I think
at this point most people
if not all people that question
9-11 know about the Jersey girls
yeah
and so
then I would say go into my
sub stack is one of my this
this letter of hers
was written on the
23rd that was Tuesday
and she asked me to post this
so let's just
remind people of who the Jersey girls are
and what they stood for
and still stand
for today
100
these women banded together after their husbands
were killed
and now they're leading a campaign to find out
exactly how the 9-11
happened
we are asking you America
to stand behind us
investigation must not interfere
with the ongoing efforts to prevent
the next attack
our families didn't want us asking
these questions that is painful
we should just be
breathing and healing
part of our process is finding out
exactly what happened
this is the last question
I believe because we're kind of rushing through
this surprise
if you had one question
you could now ask
the commission what would it be
I guess I'd like to know where Dick Cheney
was on the morning of 9-11
and exactly what he was
doing
hmm
damn
that's all she had to say right there
this is a scandal of tremendous proportions
it makes watergate look small
there's a strange lack of interest
of people both on the left
and on the right
nobody seems to want to uncover the truth
and just follow leads wherever they may go
because I think that goes to a lot of really damaging places
maybe we shouldn't have
questioned whether or not
President Nixon had any involvement
in Watergate
maybe we should have just accepted that story
maybe we should have accepted the story
that President Clinton
had no involvement
had never had sex with that woman
Miss Lewinsky
so just because it's the official story
of record does not mean that
we should not delve further and to see if
really that is the actual story
yes they live
they all live
whether consciously or unconsciously
it happened
now we need to
look into
why they lie
and what were the results
of those lies
we can't have these wounds
we organize our way of life
based on a false understanding of what 9-11 was
we have to go beyond
the myth and get to the truth
we have to know
we have to
9-11 was the biggest don't ask
don't tell and if it wasn't
for the families we couldn't have anything
and that's very frightening
we had to take
this tragedy
and do the best
we could with our lives
and with our country
to try and make
the people that
are supposed to protect us through the right thing
what I really wanted to happen here
is for my truth to feel safe
I could have cared less
who was in office
I wanted the truth
and I wanted what was wrong
to be the case
what we're left with after our journey
is
no answers
no accountability
and I've wasted four years of my life
trying my damnedest
along with
the other family members
to make sure this never happens again
so that's the Jersey girls
but I had a conversation with her
I saw that she was
coming
I saw she commented in my sub stack
articles
as a widow
of somebody who was in
the towers and then I searched
the name and I saw
oh wow she's a Jersey girl
and I went and checked is she an ex
and then I found her an ex and I sent her an inbox
or DM
and said hey would you like
would you like to chat and I think it was on
the 23rd of December
we had a free flowing conversation
for five hours
damn
and the information that she shared
with how they got
what's his face
Kissinger off and
the screaming matches with Giuliani
saying it's none of their business
and all of this kind of stuff
it's a fascinating conversation
that she had
and you have it recorded on your sub stack
yeah it's on my sub stack
hell yeah dude I'm all about
it's on my Odyssey channel as well
I commented in your comment section
so the guys can go click there
and then they'll see
see the five hour conversation there
I think it's on there
and then this week
actually this letter
came out
she sent it to me on the 23rd
and I published it on the 24th
and then I think on the
25th she had a conversation
with a gentleman
Mick Harrison
he was the co-founder
of the lawyers
committee that's also Buddy Buddy
with Richard Gage and all of that
and
this is what she had to say
just a short clip of what she had to say to him
let me just get this here
because he
he was talking
with her
and he was just
it was just a full on
gas lighting
session
I clipped the half an hour
conversation
and it's also on my Odyssey channel now
so for the guys that's already on Odyssey
you can go find it right there
and this is what she
told him right in his face
Dr. Judy Wood is critical
to this investigation
and if you're going to
eliminate her then
this whole thing is just another
sigh up
and a crime upon a crime
Dr. Judy Wood
so damn
there you go a 9-11 widow
straight up saying
if you don't
want to hear from Dr. Judy Wood
you are full of shit yourself
and fuck off
if anyone could
if anyone has
the right to say that it's fucking her
you know what I'm saying
you can't be someone
some Joe Blow living somewhere else
having no actual
relationship to 9-11
then an actual 9-11 widow
you know what I'm saying
so that's
powerful right there
this is very important
what she also said here
she said
nothing of
lasting strategic value
anyone assume this is merely
a partisan issue 25 years of history
demonstrate a concerted cover up across
multiple administrations
on both the right and the left
encompassing the 9-11 narrative
the Epstein files and the Covid
vaccine scandal this bipartisan
pattern of
shielding and impunity reveals
how deeply entrenched the mechanism
of deception have become in our
institutions it's also
necessary to call out
elements within the so called 9-11
truth movement itself
for architecture
architects and engineers for 9-11 truth
incorporated a 9-11 truth
scholars for 9-11 truth
the international centre for 9-11
justice and prominent promoters
of the thermite or control
demolition narrative have
focused narrowly on limited hangouts
whilst actively dismissing
or ignoring deeper
forensic evidence from researchers
like Dr Judy Wood
Bob Greener, Morgan Reynolds, John Lear
9-11 planes research
and she says
and Norman from South Africa
this off truth
approach has served as a form of
gatekeeping or cointel
style containment
employing infiltration
manufacturing factual splits
and sowing international distrust
to divide the movement and divert
attention from the most unsettling
anomalies some of these voices
have profited from the
movement while dividing it
they should step down
so that a full
unfolded examination
can finally occur
and
this is also
I'm just scrolling down all the way
in this article you've got the link to
the 25 discussion
the open letter to Matt Campbell
in the 9-11 truth movement in January
her interview with truth action
project open letter with Sonia
Poulton that's where she and I
were in an interview in February
then my
interview with Dr Judy Wood
and also
the article that
Dr Wood penned in 2023
basically
taking down Richard Gage
as well and then this is
a very very important statement
that she also says a half
true truth is still
a whole lie
yes that's the name of the show
right here a half truth
you want the you
you don't want to settle
for half truths
no I
I read a great quote I mean it was
I was on a church lawn and
it said a half truth
is still a whole lie
so
that is
and that's me
and I think we should do
session 2 because
we didn't even get to this
finish even finishing
building 7 there's so much to go
because it's 24 years
and when you
really dig into it there's so many
aspects that I haven't even
touched upon because
when you step back and you trace
everything back and you look at
what's happened in this 9-11 truth movement
how do I
stop share so that I can see you
don't worry I
I took it off the
screen it's just me and you on the screen right now
okay now how do I
Norman yeah man
I so the only
reason we've we've done 3 hours the only
reason we're cutting it short is because
we have a 7 hour time difference
and it's super late for Norman
right now so I definitely
want to do a part 2
let's get together after the show
and plan out a date
and we'll do it and we'll
rock and roll it I want to
finish out your presentation and I want
to discuss other shit man I think
you and I vibe man we vibe on
many levels we're on the same
page on many levels so I think
we can I think part 2 will be
just as fire if not more fire
than this one so
yeah man we've got to
point out some of the statements
that some of the
alternative media
are doing and even this
Ian Carroll guy with his new
AI thing with
I wrote a scathing article
about his stuff
with this AI thing that he's bringing
in now because
Richard Gates has stated that
all the 9-11 related stuff
that's on that AI platform of his
has been supplied by
Richard Gates 19,000
documents that is all
biased towards the control
demolition narrative
yeah man
you know I'm
going to be completely honest
you
did send me some show notes
prior to this and I did
do my homework I always do my homework
whenever I get ready for a show
and I wasn't
sure how this was going to turn out
and it
exceeded my expectations
I thoroughly enjoyed it
I learned a shit ton
and um
yeah I think I have no question
part 2 will be just
and the thing is
I'm not unreachable
if people want to reach out to me
they can go
to my sub stack
with sub stack allows you to
email the author
all this kind of stuff
I'm willing to talk to anybody
even if you disagree with me
because that's how you learn
so
I'm available I'm not like
the other guys that you can't
reach I think it's very
important it was
a psychological operation that
that took place that day
these bad actors that came
in to cover stuff
up I actually
forgot to tell
you about
whistleblower I actually
recorded a
discussion
with Adam Eisenberg
he was a first
first army guy
at the pentagon
and he spent 240 hours with a cleanup
spoke
also with another old god
soldier a friend of his
who was across the street
and they both
talked about what they saw and what they did
not see and they confirmed no plane hit the pentagon
and Adam Eisenberg
has done extensive research
into the pentagon
and people of interest and
him and I did a
deep deep deep dive
of his five years worth of research
and that was seven and a half hours
and he's pointed out somebody
who does spooky things
who's got a history
into black ops directed energy
weapons he was in the Ukraine
in 2014 he's
working with some of the
Jewish guys and all of that
so
a lot is coming out right now
but people don't know about us because
the algorithms are against us
and there's so much other shit going on
that people just say
why should I worry about something that happened 25
years ago
because it affects fucking today man
covid 19
motherfuckers that's why
if more people understood
what happened on 9 11 maybe
covid wouldn't have happened the only
reason why covid failed
is because of the internet
even old what's it
bulgay state said that is
oh you underestimated the power
of the internet
100%
and you don't need a group
because a group can be controlled
an individual cannot
be controlled and you're an individual
I'm an individual and
Adam Eisenberg is an individual
Patricia Kazaza is an individual
Dr. Judy Wood is an individual
and they did their stuff
and that is the way it comes out
you don't need to all organize
some sort of fucking organization
or some sort of truth movement
to get the shit out of it
we just got to share it with ourselves
and that's the way we are going to change
the world and that's how
revolution start and all of that
so that's the only way we can
buck the fucking system
absolutely man I'm glad you fucking said that
because
this is how I have felt for the last
few years I've been ostracized
even within conspiratorial
um
in this space like
I've been invited on to
people that follow me know exactly
what fucking show I'm talking about
but this show that has had big
massive fucking household names
I've been invited on
to that show that show blew the
fuck up because they
questioned COVID
they believed in conspiracies
and then
now they're selling supplements
now they're selling supplements and bullshit
dude a couple years ago
I said the Trump assassination
was fake as fuck
and these people
a lot of people that had gravitate to that
fucking show were like oh my god
wheezy has gone fucking
skit so on us he's not
a truth seeker
I'm the only motherfucking truth seeker around
you motherfuckers that swallow the official fucking
narrative man and so
for me to hear you say that
Norman from the bottom of my heart that
makes me feel good man because
I've been feeling like the lone
voice in the desert man
saying this shit and no one wants to listen
no wants to fucking hear except the people
that follow me
everyone else oh he's fucking crazy
oh he thinks everything is fake and gay
fuck yeah I do everything is
fucking fake and gay
but these people will
then the next sign up comes up
and they'll gladly sign up for it
they'll gladly swallow
the fucking next bullshit that comes at
them and then a few
years later when they finally wake up
oh man I can't believe I fell
for that and then
the next sign up comes up and then they fall
for it a fucking game man
it's like what the fuck is wrong
with you why did it if you
fell for it the first time
don't you understand
that maybe
you can't be swallowing shit
hook line and sinker the next time around
and this is the shit that drives me crazy
but with a lot of people in this
quote unquote truth community
and that's the thing man there's a lot of these
motherfuckers that are just
sign up influencers is what I've called them
that's all their job
is to
feed us half truths
and as the
name of the show says and as you
just stated Norman
a half truth is
still a whole fucking
lie
and the thing is in your comment section
before the show even started
I put in a link for
Dr. Wood's book put in a
link for Andrew Johnson's two books
Andrew Johnson chronicled
what happened in the 9-11 truth movement
from 2005 all the way
till 2019 so you
can go read this free his
two books of free downloadable
pdfs
and you can read about all the
limited hangouts
all and Dr. Judy Wood's
book
the screen has it
blurred out what's the name of the book
it's still blurred out where did the towers
where did the towers go there we go
where can people get that
book the link
I put the link in the show
comments before we even started
the thing is if you read that
book of evidence it is
it's actually a course
in critical thinking
because it
shows you everything that is wrong
with regards to to
what was presented it's only
presenting evidence and then when you look
at what has been pushed out to
you is completely utter bullshit
and Dr. Wood is actually
mentioned to me that she knows
for a fact that all the people who
they've
come back to and said
because we read your book we didn't
fall for the covid bullshit and none of us
got the fucking job
and that's it
and we're seeing the fall out now
with regards to that there's some people who
did one and they saw that people
were getting sick and all of that so again
if people understood
what happened on 9 11 then covid
wouldn't have happened and as
you say every new thing
comes out loud and
the people think oh I'm a truth seeker
but most people are conspiracy
attainment seekers so
anybody who wants to understand
9 11 don't listen to me don't believe
me go read this fucking
book but people don't want to
read anymore they want a 5 minute youtube
video that'll understand
that will tell them
what you think you've got to do
the fucking work you've got to do
the fucking work
100% right there
so that's the thing
I was talking to a friend from work
that
I work with him
I've known him for years he works at a different
company and
he chased me down when I was
at the landfill and he's like
dude you got to
shout out on the tinfoil podcast
tinfoil podcast is one of the biggest
if not the biggest conspiracy
podcast
on the planet
it's hosted by
sam tripley and he's like
dude you got to shout out and
and
we were talking for a little bit
and he just laughs he's like
dude I know you and you do
a show and shit and I go
you exactly you know me
I'm a fucking garbage man
I do my show because
I love this shit I want
fucking truth I don't fucking
ask for money I don't ask for this
or that I'm a fucking garbage
man I get dirty I smell like fucking
ass and shit every day
after work I have to take a shower
and
honest man
so in the fucking story doesn't
matter where you are
it's the truth that matters man and that's
what exactly as well
that and that's
that's my point right there Norman is
my friend was like he goes it's hard
for me to wrap my mind that
I get more truth in the year show when I see
you every fucking day as a
fellow garbage man it's hard
for me but it's more
it's more appetizing
to listen to a sam tripley
tinfoil podcast because
it's mainstream it's big
and it gets accepted on
YouTube and all this shit I'm like there you go
I'm not allowed to be
on fucking YouTube that motherfucker
is so who's giving
you the straight fucking dope
some fucking manufactured motherfucker
that is friends with Joe fucking
Rogan or some fucking garbage
man you fucking choose man
and it's not me being a hater
that's just the nature of the fucking beast
that's it is what it is
and so some people listening tonight
may have
been perplexed may have
been caught off guard by this kind
of show but
at the end of the day what is fucking
truth and before I let you go Norman
because I know super late and we're gonna definitely
do a fucking part two
I'm not gonna let go of that
I wanna ask you Norman this is a question
that I ask a lot of people because
it's a basic question
and no two
answers are ever alike
for you Norman
what is truth
hmm that's a
difficult one because there's so many
layers to it
I would basically say
don't take anything and face value
listen listen to stuff if
let's let's take the
the Charlie Kirk thing there was a hell
of a lot of stuff that that came out
and conspiracies to this one
usually when something
breaks sit back
watch the show play out
for at least a week or two before
you even start
thinking about it and that's
the way that you can
try and see what might be
right what might be
wrong and
when you are seeking truth and you
think you are doing your due diligence
and you've worked through everything that
you think is completely
correct
you still need to be able to
keep yourself at a position
where you are still willing to
change your mind when you are presented
with more credible evidence
and that is something that I've seen
in the 9-11 truth movement
or these narratives
that have been put out over the last 25 years
people watched the documentary
in 2006
and then thought this is
the begin all and end all of
everything and they've never
bludged on that ever
I was
it was so strange
I was on a truth
action project podcast
they did a pre-recording
then put it on
for the members to watch
they had a discussion about it
and then due to the
discussion about that podcast
they wanted to have me back on again
I had to
sit up the
podcast started at 3am
god damn
so I took a power nap
that's my wake up time
so it started
at 3am
my presentation was 2 hours
and then the question and answer
was another 5 hours
afterwards
but then after that
they had Dr Morgan Reynolds
on who filed his Q-Tam whistleblower case
in 2007 with regards
to the planes at the World Trade Center
they had
Patricia Kazaza on
they had Adam Eisenberg
the Pentagon whistleblower on
and then lately
I've been
attending their Saturday
power
sessions and there were still
some of their members who were
grilling me for that 5 hours
who I
thought saw the
light and broke through their cognitive
dissonance
after all these additional
conversations
are still sticking to their guns
and that's
frustrating and they sitting
in a so called truth
seeking organization
but
it doesn't matter how much
evidence you put in front of them
they just don't want to go there
and this one lady
especially said well I listened
to a presentation
of Barbara Honigah
a couple of years ago when she did
as
a
smoke curtain
and that is what got me into the 9-11
truth movement but Barbara Honigah
has now been out
as spreading major
disinformation pertaining to the Pentagon
and this woman
just
doesn't give a fuck about it
so then you should rather
just leave go sit
and just not worry about anything
and that is the
people that are the big problem
because you've got these people who call themselves
truth seekers but
they don't
actually see the truth
it's just a marketing slogan
if you ask me, you know what I'm saying
like I'm a truth seeker
I'm counter narrative
motherfucker you're following the same CIA
talking points
as the official narrative fucks
you're just giving a slightly different twist
to it and so
this is
my new reality
some people may say it's crazy
but that's my new reality I now
view things and
we can probably get into it
I don't want to keep you too much longer
but I've been
looking
I've been studying philosophy
for the last few months
and some people may say
well what the fuck does philosophy
have to do with conspiracy
it's the same fucking thing
read some of these philosophers like Seneca
I've been balls deep into the writings
of Seneca
Seneca was a super wealthy
aristocrat in Rome
who was exiled
because he was dropping truth bombs
and he was super wealthy
and yet
he could see the bullshit
he even admitted that he was
part of the fucking problem
and so this was
a guy that was writing this shit
2000 years ago talking about
the corruption within government
the problems
with putting people in fucking pedestals
he wrote this shit
2000 years ago and it still
applies today
and so that's what
has drawn me in man
and so it's really
no different yeah we got our little fucking gadgets
our little gizmos in here and there
but in reality we're still
the same fucking people from 2000 years ago
and we are
easily duped by the same
fucking slave drivers
that still own these plantations
and we're in which we
think we have the illusion of
choice
we think we're free but we're not
yeah
so it's complete bullshit man
and Norman
I really vibe with this let's get after the
show in this
definitely do a part 2 man
and we can expand on the rest of your presentation
as well as digging to other bullshit
government narratives
you mentioned the moon landings
that's another one of my
bread and butter subject
that was one of my big ones
I dabbled in the JFK
aspects as well
and one stage in 2017
I went into the flat
earth aspect
but I've now decided it's pear shaped
it's not round or flat
at all it's just a pear
floating in the sky
or whatever there are so
many different aspects that one can
get into I'm not just transfixed
on 9-11
at the moment I think it's
one of the important things
with the 25th anniversary coming
coming along and now with Patricia
who's now
seriously other people have been
calling out Gage and all
of these grifters for many years
and hasn't had any traction
but Patricia Gazaza now
with
seeing that she's such a heavyweight
I would love to talk to her
yeah
so it's
I think Gage
and all of those guys are
shaking in the boots and
another guy that people can't
take seriously
well let me ask Norman
wouldn't you be shaking
in your boots if you
your
$120,000, $150,000
streams were gonna stop
flowing in
you know what I'm saying
like
that's the real
driver with a lot of these people
man a lot of these people that
do podcasts a lot of these people that
they say they don't
go deep because they want to play
safe and dangerous
are you really getting fucking truth
by these fucking clowns that want to
play safe and fucking dangerous
my answer is
in 2023
in a podcast where I could
ask a question
I basically told Gage
not directly
they read out my
question because it was 3am
and the wife gets upset if I'm
awake that late and talking too loud
and the question basically
the end of the question was
Gage you are the
Fauci of the 9-Eleven Truth
Movement because he was doing
he was doing
9-Eleven
in a relation to
Covid presentation or whatever
in that question also I asked him
about the Q-Tan whistleblower
cases and
his lawyer thing
this mech guy who
Patricia said sorry
you guys are doing a cover up if you're not doing
sending
Kurt Weldon
Senator Ron Johnson
Dr Woodstaff
they both said oh but we
don't know about
these court cases
which they actually do and I've actually
got a copy of
Richard Gage
buying Dr Wood's book on
architects and engineers
check in 2011
so he can't say that he doesn't know it
but he says oh there's no evidence
no evidence
for directed energy
technology here is a
500 page
book of evidence and this is
basically this a summary of
what was presented to court
but unfortunately
your courts are corrupted
and the
the judge
in his summation said
I am ignoring the law
by not listening to your
case and her case
went up as high as the US
Supreme Court
anyone that
may have a hard time I don't think
many of my audience normal audience
is going to have any issues with that
but any new listeners or whatever
we're going through
the Jeff Epstein trial
or case it's still ongoing
it's been going on for over 20 years now
it's been a cover up
from the very beginning
until
his alleged death it's still
ongoing cover up
with a release of redacted
or unredacted
Epstein files and then later get redacted
it's all bullshit
so I'm only saying that because there's
people out there that probably like oh they wouldn't
fuck with the courts they wouldn't fuck
with this bullshit
they fuck around with this shit all the fucking
time man and that's
what people need to understand
I think in part two we can
get into
the technology behind it because there's
it's Tesla technology
scalar waves and interferometry
and all of that kind of stuff we can get into
what he was giving to
the US military in the
1940s
and then who went
and looked at Tesla's papers
to see if there's anything worth
worth of national security
Donald Trump's uncle
John yep
people don't want to talk about that shit
very few people
and in part two
Norman
I want to talk about
this is going to be the cliffhanger right here
I want to talk
about the
hurricane
of 9-11
that's right
hurricane that
already started being formed
on August 24th
a lot of people
even hardcore 9-11
researchers
know very little about this hurricane
and so part two
there's also a lot of this
disinformation about
the role that it played
but we'll get into that because
actually there was a clip
that we played earlier with a
professor out of the UK
that
seems to be
a proponent of Dr Wood
in a way but there's also
some of the important information
that he wants to
kind of like dismiss
and Andrew Johnson
and I discussed him and then he
all of a sudden like played victim
and we had this to and fro with regards to
writing articles
about one another and then I challenged
him to a face-to-face discussion
on our
on our differences
and he just
refused to
come on and discuss it like a man
so on the
4th of April
I'll be recording a
conversation with Andrew Johnson
and I and Chuck
and we will go through
his critique on that
in his absence seeing that he's
not man enough
to face me
I've even invited
David Chandler
I've invited Richard Gage
Jonathan Cole
who did this hit piece on Dr Wood
at the Turning the Tides
event in DC last year that these guys
were holding and all of these guys
and none of them
none of them want to have a
roundtable discussion of the evidence
you tell me why you think it's
bombs and thermite I'll tell you why it's this
we'll have the
people
listen to this conversation
and the thing is they know
they know if they
ever allow something like
that to happen
and Patricia
Kazaza sees
through their bullshit and she's now
calling it out
that's badass
right there man I would love
at some point
I'm going to try I'm a
bulldog but I would love to talk to Patricia
Kazaza she's on X
she's on X so
message there and I've tagged
you in a bunch of expose today
with regards to some of the stuff
I appreciate it and you follow me back
man I think
I think officially I think now
especially after we've had a little chat
here and we chopped it
up nice and good
I think we are
friends see when I
here's the difference
when I had the conversation with Richard Gage
couple years ago
it was all business
no
no talk no
pre-talk no after no post
talk no friending on fucking
twitter
he only had 3000 followers on twitter and he
still didn't fucking follow me like he was
some big time
bullshitter and I guess that's what he is
and here
you have a massive following you've done
some fucking viral ass tweets
and you're a humblest fuck man
to me that speaks
I'm just a dumb
African
with the internet connection
but this I know
Randy I'm just a dumbass
motherfucking garbage man my point is
sometimes
it's people like us that are
simple
we don't give a fuck about all this fucking
high flashy bullshit
all this high flashy bullshit
may seem on its
face appear nice and appealing
but it could all be bullshit would you
rather want bullshit or would you want some fucking
truth you know what I'm saying
that's that's really my
point you know to all this
so
Norman I truly appreciate it
remind people where they can find you
and let's get after the show man if you want to
email me I know it's late for you so if you
got to do it tomorrow or whenever
let's set up a date
it's the wifey's birthday tomorrow
so I've got to give her a little bit of attention
hell yeah
whenever you can bro
I'm on
I'm an ex 9-11 revisionist
I'm on sub stack
and I don't even know what my
handles are because I don't really
your sub stack is
9-11 revision
9-11 revision.substack.com
substack.com
at 9-11 revision
the main thing for me
is people all you actually need to
do if you want to understand what happened on 9-11
get Dr. Wood's book
if you want to understand what the assholes
in the 9-11 truth movement are
download
Andrew Johnson's 2-3
downloadable e-books you've got the links there
you've just got to click the link
and download it read it
you'll need a Saturday to
read through both if you're
relatively fast reader and then you'll
know what's going on and that's
what all that I did and
when I entered into conversations
and zoom calls asking these
9-11 truth is just basic
questions in relation to
the evidence presented in
Dr. Wood's book I saw
what fucking limited hangouts
and bullshit artists they are
and that pissed me the fuck off
and I decided
this ain't the way it's
going to work I'm going to expose
these motherfuckers and
this is where I'm at now
and the cards are
falling and they are falling
fast hell yeah
100% man
Norman you are my spirit
animal man that was awesome
we never met until
literally a couple of days ago man
I can't stress that enough
someone on yourself said
48 hours ago
we didn't know each other
then we connect and we
fucking vibed it off right off the gate
dude I swear before we even
went on the air like the first few minutes
we started going back and forth
I'm like I can vibe with this dude right here
and sure enough man
so yeah man take care of
your wife for sure man for
fucking sure that goes
first and foremost man right there
but when you get a chance maybe
down the week or whatever let's
I'll email you tomorrow
when we get back from our
from our day out she likes it often
in that and then I can catch up
my emails and stuff now it's been
been great we see I'm
looking forward to having another conversation
and then just chatting in general
we don't necessarily have to chat
on on air and the
same invitation
is to all all your listeners
I'm just
a normal Joe like everybody else
and the
information that I've got here most
of you could have done and get
yourself because the information is out there
you just got to put in the time
and luckily now I've
saved you some time by
giving you some shortcuts
yeah man
no man you
you really
open my eyes because
I was already like I said at the
very beginning I was already kind of
leaning towards this direction
as it were but
reading your show notes
going through your sub stack
listening to other
Judy Wood appearances
and whatnot I'm like you know what
fuck this control demolition
bullshit that is a fucking
Richard Gage is a fucking
sci-off influencer
and um yeah
like and that's not to say that I'm
fully on board I just
my mind is open man
I'm continually
continually exploring for truth
you know what I'm saying if you go
deeper down this rabbit hole where it
basically ends up with
is
this display of
weaponized
um
breakthrough energy
if it's used for good
you will have a house
that you will never have to
pay a utility
bill for a heating bill for
and you can put something
in a motor vehicle that will
never need to be
plugged in
that is part and parcel of the
technology and that's why
I'm so pissed off at PVD
because they actually did a
show on the 1951
Invention Secrecy Act
there's over 6000
patents that are that have been
put down on to Lock and Key due to
national security concerns
and if you've done
a little bit of research on free energy
and that kind of stuff Stanley Mayer
with his water powered car all these
different guys
one of my friends my podcast friends
Dr. Raza Vahari he works for
the Chinese Space Agency
he talks about how the
moon landings were fake as fuck
he's an astrophysicist he talks
about free energy
that's one of the topics he talks
about free energy is a fucking
thing man I live in Florida
there's this place
not too far away from where I live
where this
one man made
these stone structures
each stone weighing several tons
each Dr. Wood
lives talking about that yeah
without any power equipment
he made this fucking
garden full of stones
in one of those stones
people were like oh stones what are you talking about
he made a door
that slide or swings
really
and the fucking stone weighs
five fucking tons
how did this guy do it without any heavy equipment
and the guy weighed
150 pounds
and the guy weighed 150 pounds
yeah
like what the fuck
this is
yeah man see
this thing what we just
kind of we kind of put
the tip in for part
two right now
we can go very deeply
there's so much
100%
I don't want to take too much more
time because I know it's super fucking late for you my man
thank you so much
Mr. Norman
your ex and your sub stack
are in the description if there's any links
any other links you want people to follow
you please let us know
but I want to thank you so much
no no it was
it's fun it's fun
till episode two people
maybe three four five and six
hell yeah dude
I am 100% down with that shit
and the reason I'm saying that is because
sometimes
I get in touch with
guests and it's just like one and done you know what I mean
and with you Norman like I was like
god damn I'm vibing man we can do
several of these shows you know what I'm saying so
100%
two three four five six
and let's go on and go on
because I think
we're riding along the same
wavelength on many of these issues
so that's badass
thank you so much Norman I hope you enjoy your time
with your wife tomorrow
treat her like the queen that she is
and you will be a happy man
for sure always
thank you for everybody listening
and Weezy thank you for giving me
a time to chat and I'm looking forward to
doing this again very very soon
absolutely man the pleasure
was entirely mine so thank you again
Norman cool all right my man
take care bye yes sir
all right
all right y'all that was
Mr. Norman
a gentleman from South Africa
hope you guys enjoyed that
that shit was fire man like
I literally
got in touch with him
not
even a week ago
a few days ago
I didn't have a guest for Saturday
I didn't know what I was going to do
I had this one guy
I'm
not going to call him out quite yet
maybe some other things transpired
but this other guy told me
oh yeah dude I'll fucking come on
he's a massive
voice on Twitter shit tons
of followers
and
he followed me back
and we were going back and forth and he's like
yeah dude fuck yeah Weezy I'll go on your show on Saturday
and then
I just kept trying to verify
hey are you going to show up on Saturday
and he's like
quiet crickets crickets
still didn't hear shit from him
sent him another fucking twitter
message and he was
in opening my messages on
this motherfuckers ghosted me now alright
fuck you
but again I'm not calling out his name
because
maybe some bullshit happened but he's
happily posting on twitter
again so who the fuck
knows and then
I got the message from
Norman
he's like hey man
some of my sub stack listeners
or readers
wanted me to reach out to you
and
tell you that Richard Gage is full of shit
and
I was like damn
the fuck
I've
talked to Richard Gage
and so I started looking down his shit
like is this guy believing official narrative
I don't understand it
it wasn't making sense in my head
and
I started doing some more research I'm like
oh okay okay
Judy Wood
I've heard people mention Judy Wood
I've seen a little bit of shit on it but not much
and
I was like
damn okay I started going deep
and I go and I
message Norman I go hey
I don't have a guest on Saturday you want to come on
he's like yeah let's fucking do it
and that's how that
transpired and as you guys heard
I'm sure most everyone that listen
thought that was shit was fire
I thought it was fire as fuck
there was a lot of shit
even though I started looking into it
this week doing my homework
there was a lot of shit that he brought up that I had no idea about
I'm not saying I'm fully
committed to that side
and
if you've been following me for a while
this is how I view a lot of shit
I don't fully commit to any fucking side
you know what I'm saying
I may vibe a little bit more
here and there
some people may say that's wish you wash it
I don't give a fuck
if it's not entirely convincing
I'm not gonna go all in
once I go all in once I'm ready to fucking
battle and debate motherfuckers
now you know I fully committed
but if I ain't ready to do that
nah man I'm gonna take my time
I'm gonna explore shit
and I encourage you guys all to do the same
you know what I'm saying
maybe there was some shit that you didn't vibe with
and that's fine man
I've said this a million times
but when I started the show
I wanted
to have a community
of like-minded voices
and thought
processes
that doesn't mean
when I say like-minded
that doesn't mean you have to agree
with every fucking thing I say
it doesn't mean that
it just means
being open-minded
fucking super simple
you know what I'm saying
because there's been times where people have followed me
like oh I love your shit
Weezy I love your shit
and then I do one fucking show
fuck you Weezy
fuck you
they're quick to turn
turn around
and I've been doing this shit now for a few years
that it doesn't bother me
it makes me laugh I'm like
you weren't a true follower to begin with
because a true follower of mine
is gonna be open-minded
a true follower
of mine
isn't a follower we're fucking homies
we're not followers
we're not very different
from each other we vibe with each other
and so
if I say something that may
not be appetizing
or you may not agree with fully
it doesn't make us enemies
you're like alright
I disagree with you
but I still vibe with you
that right there
that's the fucking relationship
that I'm seeking you know what I'm saying
um
because that shit is deeper
all this shit where
oh yeah I vibe with you I vibe with you
and then as soon as someone hears something
hears you say something
that they disagree with
now they fucking discard you
they throw you to the fucking curb
that's not a true fucking
that's not someone that really
vibed with you to begin with
and um
yeah I think now
I mentioned this
last week
I got rid of my facebook
and messenger and all that bullshit because
I want to
focus on real shit
you already know I
I think
a lot of shit is fake and gay
and that's probably why y'all
gravitate towards me but
a lot of people that have reached out to me
are also faking
fucking gay
no fucking truth
to anything about them
but they'll get close to you
they'll
pretend they care about you
that they're
they want to be
you know
fuck that shit bro
a lot of motherfuckers are faking gay
and so
some people may say that I'm
um let's get soul
I don't give a fuck
um I've been doing this for
several years now
and I've been backstabbed
it's quite a fucking bit
and um
most of the time
it's never been a big deal but when it's been
people that you thought you could trust
you thought were fucking
real
I can laugh about it now but I was crying
like a bitch
um yeah man
it's made me
super paranoid
and so
I still have the telegram open
but I'm not as active
if anyone's in that group
I just
I have to guard myself
some people may say
you know what wheezy
yeah you've been fucked over but
not everyone's like that you should still open up
I get the sentiment
but nah fuck that
I don't want to be hurt man it sucks being hurt
I was depressed for
many many many many months
and um
that was hell
and I'm just slowly coming out of that
shit out of that hell hole
and I think some of you guys noticed I'm
kind of getting back to normal I'm still not
100% but I'm getting there
I'm getting there little by little
day by fucking day
yeah I said that
day by fucking day
um
you don't know about anyone man
and um
it's weird it's fucking weird
I think everything's faking gay
and
but I have to tell myself not everyone
not every single fucking person is faking gay
there may be
a small
percentile of people that are
actually real and genuine
um
and I would say
people that have been following me for a long time
probably fit that
you know what I'm saying
um
someone like George O'Brien
Marion G of G's
Joanna come to mind Tracy
come to mind they've been following me
for fucking years and have never
fucking done shit
to me
I can't say the rest I can't
say that about everyone else
not that I'm talking shit about y'all it's just
I really can't you know what I'm saying
gotta keep it real
um
anyways
I went on a ramp
but y'all are still here so
you know
fuck it let's talk some shit
um I'm only doing
let's do 15 minutes
if we can I'll put the stream yard out
um if anyone wants to call
in call in real quick talk a little shit
say some sense if you want
to make fun of me you want to talk some motherfucking
shit say I'm a pussy ass bitch
I'll accept that I don't give a fuck
um
I'm coming back I'm coming back with a vengeance
man
but that's
I'm only telling y'all this that I'm gonna keep
my fucking I'm gonna I'm gonna keep
arms distance
it's not because I think I'm any good
I would love to coalesce
everyone
but when you realize
you get backstabbed by every motherfucker that
you come across with
um
it's hard man it's hard
some people may
take getting double
crossed easily
I
don't take
I don't take betrayal being
to um
double crossed easily
at all
I don't let that shit slide
and it's happened by a lot of motherfuckers
in this fucking truth community
a lot of people tell me this shit
and then they go out and do other fucking shit
and that's why I keep my distance from a lot
of these motherfuckers it's not because
I think I'm good again
or I'm better than everyone
it's just because I'm tired of it
I don't want to fucking deal with that
shit fuck your motherfuckers
y'all want to be fake go be
fake some motherfucking
where else I don't play that motherfucking
game
and that's my fucking boundary
and if people have problems with that shit
eat a dick motherfuckers
I have my boundaries
and so that's why I've chosen
to get away from social media
um that facebook group
that I had had hundreds
of fucking people
people that have been following me for many
years
and if you're a listener
and you belong to that group
I said it last week but I'll say it again
it was nothing personal
I don't want to be associated with
social media anymore
I don't want people getting close to me anymore
because
I don't want to get hurt again
ever again so
that's it you know what I'm saying
um
that may have not made sense to
people that have just started following me
but people that have been following me for a while
probably understand what the fuck I just said
so that's it
I put the stream yards
in the rumble chat
if anyone wants to say something
real quick and then we'll wrap it up
um
next friday I seen
nature boy here
next friday I'm going to do his show
so
you guys want to catch me talk some shit
check me out on nature boys channel
um but I'm going to put
this out right here nature boy
so you don't fucking do me wrong
don't be
putting motherfuckers that I don't
get along with or that I
fucking dislike with a passion
it's just one on one
you break that rule
I'm buzzing a little bit
but I'm being serious bro
and that's it that's I'm just going to leave it at that
don't I don't play
no motherfucking games man
I don't play no games with no one
I don't give a fuck if you're nature boy
I don't give a fuck if you're Sam Tripoli
I don't give a fuck who the fuck you is
don't fuck with me
I'm a nobody I'm not saying I'm
fucking special but
I don't I don't kiss ass
I don't do that
I ain't gonna fucking
you know
give you a rusty trombone just so you get me on your
shoulder or any of that fuck that shit bro
I don't play that fucking game
um I'm just going to be me
and some people gravitate to that
some people don't some people find it
offensive I don't give a fuck
I'm going to do
norm in part two
because
I want to fucking do it
not because no one's telling me or
suggesting that
I'm gonna do shit because I want to fucking do it
and some of you
the real motherfuckers you guys will vibe
with that be like fuck yeah we easy let's fucking
roll you want to fucking talk to that motherfucker
let's fucking roll you guys
the people that have
that attitude that will
not control me and let me
be who the fuck I want to be
y'all the motherfuckers
that are real
100%
um anyone else
trying to tell me I got to do this I got to do
that I got to change for you
and fuck you
y'all ain't real fuck you
get the fuck out of here find some other
fucking show talk your shit somewhere else
I ain't gonna do that
but the motherfuckers that are ready to vibe
with me
the motherfuckers that are
ready to go to war for me
that's the motherfuckers I'm ready to go to
war for
bottom line
oh shit here we go
I won't fuck you buddy
alright man yeah
no there's no three strikes with
we easy man
um I'm
gonna have a joking but
alright
we'll fucking we'll
if it happens man
we're gonna have a badass show I'm pretty
I guarantee it where it's gonna be
fire just don't fuck me
homie I ain't taking shit from
nobody you know what I'm saying
um
I promise
to hold you when we are done alright
so nature boy
NBN on rumble
next Friday I'll be on this show
this is my story since she might
email me I put out a
put out a
kind of a wanted ad
or any moderators
that want to be a moderator to the
show
I'm not gonna get into
no fucking details
some of you
probably have questions
but I'm not gonna talk about it
so if you have those questions
please respect
my decision that I don't want to fucking
talk about it
pissed and I'm hurt by it
that's all I'm gonna say
I don't want to but I don't
want to answer any motherfucking questions
so
this is my story
did reach out earlier
so email me and
I just
I want to get some mods that
welcome
new chatters that keep the live chat going
energetic
long time listeners
will probably understand why
but that's it
yeah it's gonna be fire
fuck yeah dude I bring that motherfucking
heat let's fucking go
um
what else what else I got
we're hitting up on four hours
part two with Norman
will be coming soon that was
a lot of fun
what else what else
my story I will not get into your personal life
this is my story is fucking awesome
she has been awesome
and
um
hell yeah she's
offered to be a mod on my channel
I mean what more can I ask for
someone that's been present on all my shows
has shown
love and support
and then saying shit like this fuck yeah
it's all I can ask for man
so thank you this is my story
if you want to do that I would
appreciate it
um
there's no
there's no extra benefits
to this you may even get ostracized
because you are
connected to me
um but if that's
what you are willing to
accept then let's do it
uh let's see
death of tyrant stay real stay
you wheezy 100%
I can only be me
that's kind of one of the reasons why
I took
a month off
um
with everything going on in my life I knew
I knew that I
I knew that I wasn't going to be able to do a
show and then after
a month I decided to do
that kaizen show
I thought I was ready and if you guys
heard that show I wasn't fucking ready
so that was
my fault I misjudged
you know what I mean I needed to take time
off from the war zone going
in my mind you know what I'm saying
so that's it
um
George O'Brien
he I have him as
a mod on rumbo and you too
so he's a good uh but
this is my story I drew as a mod
on all my on odyssey
youtube and
rumble um
for sure but anyone else that
wants to do that
um the only prerequisites
is that I've known that I
know you I've seen you for a long time
it can't just be some random motherfucker
just popping up oh yeah I want to be a
mod fuck that I needed
a little bit of trust
you know what I mean I've seen this as my story for
quite some time so
that's why George
has been following me for
fucking years at this point
and so I trust fucking George
I already told him when I go to the UK
I want to drink some motherfucking beer
with my boy George O'Brien
it's my fucking dog
hell yeah dude
one of the last
of the og followers
um
if you are new to my channel
listen to
the show that I did
before new years
buizies musings I kind of
gave a little bit of background of my shit
so you guys can
kind of
catch up
but I've been doing this shit for six years
and um
I want to give a shout out to my boy Paul
he does garbage
Paul what's up bro
give you a shout out I haven't
given him a shout out
I want to give a shout out to my boy in Australia
thepaysdispenser.com
super supportive
and I want to give a shout out to everyone
that has been following
the show for a long time
if you guys are still listening
that's y'all you know what I'm saying
um a lot of people
that are just casual
will only listen to the main
part of the show and then just fucking zone out
and if you're still listening that means
you guys are hardcore and
to you
shout out go see y'all
hell yeah dude Jojo Bryan says
if you beer sounds good wheezy fuck yeah dude
that's my dog right there
alright y'all
thank you guys for
bearing with me
and especially after taking some time
off
I didn't know
if everyone was going to jump
ship when I left
and took some time off
to focus on myself
and I didn't
worry about it
I honestly didn't
worry about it I said
the true motherfuckers
the people that truly vibe
with me will be there when I come
back
and a lot of you guys are here
so that was true
you know it's not
it was an egotistical to zone
you motherfuckers out
and I say motherfuckers in a loving way
it wasn't like that
it was I need to focus on myself
I was in a dark
fucking place
that show that I did when I came back
where I couldn't
control myself that was
just a small little fucking slice
y'all didn't even fucking see the month
before that I was a fucking
train wreck
I'd be working
driving and then just fucking
break out
I was depressed
super
super fucking depressed
some people would message me
oh you need to come back or you're going to lose your followers
oh you need to come back
fuck you motherfuckers
I got other shit to deal with right now
I don't give a fuck about this show
at this moment in time
and the true
people you true
people that follow me and listen
y'all already know
you guys understood
you guys are still here
and so
much love
I truly mean that
that means a lot to me
knowing that
people that are completely
strangers never met in real life
in vibe
you know what I mean
a real vibe not no fake ass
cat fishing vibe
a real fucking vibe
and that's all I can ask for
at the end of the day
thank you guys
much love
and as I play this out
out intro
outro whatever
hope you guys vibe with it
I picked this jam
personally I paid for it
I own the rights to it
if you want to burn it
put it on your ringtone
put it on your phone whatever
I own the rights to this jam
but when I hear it
this is my vibe this is my soul
right here you know what I'm saying
so take that in mind
much love hugs
and kisses to all