Prodits, the reason why he called it Prodits Pro meaning the first, he believed that the
microzymus or what he called Prodits were actually the thing that created the cells in
our very own body. So not just the bacterial forms, the fungal forms and all that cycle,
but he believed that they were the base of our own cellular structure.
So in other words that this could be the base unit of all life forms.
This is the true health report where critical appraisal fuels true freedom.
Hello everyone and welcome to the true health report. I'm your host Dr. Andrew Kaufman
and today we're going to get into some aspects of the terrain model with my special guest,
Dr. Marisol Arce. The author of germs are not our enemy, an excellent book and written
at a level that anyone can understand it. It's not written for scientists. So I definitely
encourage people to take a look. Dr. Arce is a doctor of naturopathy and she has unique expertise
in the area of pleomorphism and a dark field microscopy and we met each other through the
Biggelson brothers and she participated in a panel discussion that we did about microscopic
nanotechnology and also put on a conference terrainology that I spoke at recently and I
wanted to get her on to talk about this topic a little bit more comprehensively. So welcome Marisol.
Hi, nice to be here. Thank you for having me.
Sure. I wonder if we could start off to, if you could tell the audience a little bit about
how you stumbled into this area a little bit off the beaten path and of course before the
pandemic so you are already on this journey. So let us know a little bit about your story.
Sure. So the story goes that I was in regular medical school and I was in New York
medical college and I was very disheartened by it. I mean not to sound cliche but I always
wanted to be a doctor. I always wanted to help people. The earliest memory and the earliest
photograph of me mixing crushed leaves and rocks on my driveway when I'm super little trying
to give people potions. That was me trying to help people thinking I'm making medicines for them
and listen historically that's not far off but you know growing up in the 80s and the 90s that's
not what medicine was so I had to go through all the rigmarole of going through schooling and
med school and pre-med and etc. Being that I was disheartened I found myself in naturopathic
school naturopathic medical school in Connecticut. Before we go there what was it that was
disheartening about the allopathic medical training? Oh so you know I grew up in a very
multicultural family and predominantly I was brought up as a Peruvian so my father was born
and raised in Peru and very much a lot of my family is Peruvian and my grandfather who
I was fortunate to have lived with us for many years in our house in New York.
He actually taught me a lot of different things that you can do when you're feeling sick you know
when you're not feeling good when certain things are happening he taught me all these
different unique treatments you know using lemon peels and you know different types of
making broths and drinking combinations of substances and using certain herbs and
certain teas so I was fortunate to have this experience and that really drove me to wanting
to be an anthropologist but at the same time I wanted to be a doctor so I was like how can I
how can I blend the two you know so I was like oh I'm gonna get into anthropology but I'll do
pre-med in college but I really want to delve into medicine and food and nutrition when I was
in college so I predominantly did that in college I did college in three years because I just
you know banged through all my courses because I knew what I wanted to do so I got into med school
and I thought because of my exposure to my grandfather my exposure to the cultural
ideologies you know from around the world from in college I thought medicine was gonna have some
of that in there and medicine was so washed so clinical so sanitized of cultural understandings
you know ethnic you know incorporations you know and and that to me it didn't resonate
there was something missing in medicine if if we're looking at the human body in context which
you know we live in context we live in our environments we live in our cultures we live
in our communities and having someone being diagnosed with a disease despite whatever foods
he was eating or the environment he was in it didn't it didn't resonate it didn't make sense
you were just the stat you were just an ICD-9 code you were just a diagnosis you know you were
and that didn't that didn't resonate with me I didn't believe that we were just a bag of
chemicals and that we were discerned by lab reports and you know the supposed objectiveness
of the doctor so um I was literally you know I don't want to I don't want to underestimate it
because of course everything you say is true and I've spoken with other doctors who were disheartened
by similar attributes but it takes a lot of courage to
leave medical school I mean it's a big deal just to get in to be part of that right you're
initiated into the club and you must have had some very strong abilities like some fortitude to make
that decision uh yeah I had a good good-headed mom I had a very strong mom that always was again
you know worked against the grain you know she there was part of her that said go through
the hoops and then there was part of her when she saw that I was really having trouble she said you
know what you will find what you're looking for you know go go through what you need to go through
but at the same time find what you're looking for the the path shouldn't be this hard so um I did
my research and I found naturopathic medical school and I said oh you know looking at their
their course loads their curriculums I said wow I can get the experience of medicine
but with the incorporation of the understanding of of how the environment and nature plays a role
so I got in and um um not to not to take away from some of the education I got from it
but at the same time naturopathic medical school is not as as
natury and you know it's not the idealistic thing that I thought it was going to be so
I had to make it my own right so well that's great because I'm often asked by young people who are
interested in you know a career like we have uh you know should I go to this school or that school
and generally my response is no because because you you can acquire the knowledge yes in other
ways right because all the educational institutions even if they are built or based on originally
right the right body of knowledge the mission of the organization changes over time
towards self-preservation and even naturopathic colleges and chinese medicine uh colleges
you know all participated in the covid rituals for example correct absolutely and and grotesquely
to a farther extent than I expected so yes absolutely um so yeah no it's it's the same you
know it's ssdd same crap different you know different day but um at least I was forwarded the
opportunity to have professionals who were experienced in other aspects of health teach
me right so I wouldn't have had that experience in regular conventional medical school so
some of my courses transferred um and but one course that I had to not so much do again but
I had to kind of like do the second part was microbiology and um so we had a lab and we had
courses we had class you know classroom work um the lab was one of the major projects in lab was
to culture something and in culturing that something you you know you're taking a
swab of an object and then you're going to culture it in different mediums in different
environments like different temperatures and things like that and you have to write
you know your report what you see under the microscope um so this is just any bacteria
that's in the environment not from like a clinical specimen no no like I swabbed my cell
phone like that that was my that was my project swabbing my cell phone um you know other people
did their shoe some people did their hair clip you know everybody did different things um I decided
you know go for the go for the gold and just do something that you know touches me all the time
so um I swabbed my cell phone and I had it and you know different petri dishes and you know the
method of doing it you have to kind of do it a certain way you burn it on the burn bunsen
burner and you scrape the agar you need to sterilize the dish and then put the culture medium
and then the sterile method right exactly yeah sure I've done that millions of times
millions of times um so I did it and then you know you have to check on your culture you have to see
you see what's going on so you have to take a little sample of it and look at it under the microscope
so I looked at it under the microscope one of my samples that was um I think it was in 90
about night like body temperature I think it was in the 98 degree um you know a little
yeah exactly and um and so then I looked under the microscope and I'm having I'm seeing these forms
these bacterial forms that are not round but not long so they're not one form or another they're
like in between forms so and for those that are listening you know we're we're taught that
bacteria have either circular form right right basilis right correct so mine were kind of like
doing like the the kind of weird like overly thing in between now I have seen on lab reports from a
culture coxobacilli right exactly but my what was strange was I had the the oval forms the coxobacilli
but then I had both the cox the cox and the bacilli at the same time so they were it was like they
were changing they were dancing and going to different forms back and forth so I I reported
that and and I told the professor and he said um that doesn't seem right so so he's like you
know swab your phone again do it again I had to do it all again and I was having the same
results it says if I was catching them doing the dance to go in between the different the different
stages or the different forms and I said look this is happening again and I kept on getting like
you're doing the you know the sterile method wrong you're doing something wrong you're doing
something wrong so I was like even even if you made a mistake there still had to be an
explanation right right right exactly exactly so I was like but I swear you know like you you start to
like second guess your abilities like you second guess your observation skills your your lab skill
everything so I he I had to come extra times because he's like we're gonna go over it like
you know oh you don't you don't know how to do the sterile method you're not doing it right
you're not holding in the Bunsen burner long enough or something so he did it he did it with
me like he literally did his own Petri dish and we stick it in the incubator and we have the same result
so he's like well you know there's something going on here you're gonna have to you just
write that up in your report I you know I've never seen this before so you know you do that
and it happened to be that I that was always in the back of my head that something was different
that something was off like it didn't make sense that I was stuck I was the only one in in the
class that was stuck with this issue and it just happened to be I just kind of was delving into
these this idea of you know there's maybe there's I discovered new bacteria you know like
something something and almost a year later um there was an opening for a job for a company called
Plio Sanam they don't exist anymore here in the States um but Sanam the company that's in Germany
exists still and so they were looking for a rep for the company and I was like hey yeah whatever
I'll make some extra dough you know whatever I didn't know it was like completely nonchalant
like I didn't make it a big deal but they were recruiting from the from your school yeah they
already had a rep in my school but she was graduating and I never even heard of the company so uh you
know I didn't maybe she didn't really kind of understand her job or she didn't really do her
job I didn't even know that they existed in my school so I go to um I'm offered you know like
you're gonna get this interview in a week here's the material look at this website you know look
at the you know we will send you some in the mail a big package of paperwork that you could read and
you know blah blah blah blah so I remember sitting on my living room floor in my in the condo I was
renting for school and I spread out all this information I was looking at my laptop and I was
like this makes sense this is what happened to me in school a year ago and it was basically
Pleo Sanham it was Sanham made the remedies for Enderline isopathic remedies and they talked about
pleomorphism and they show you the whole cycle and you know you change the environment and they
change form and I was like this is it this is what happened oh my gosh this is serendipitous
so I was soaking up that information like I was reading everything they gave me highlighting it
I had a folder a binder you know I was looking on the internet I was researching I started learning
about like everything everything that I can get my hands on so I did at that time when you kind of
made that realization and connected it to your microbiology course experience did you ask the
question you know why don't my professors know about this or why is this not part of my curriculum
so once I had the interview and I was hired within 15 minutes um yeah I had a discussion
with the medical liaison who's who's the one that hired me um you know for the company and I said
why isn't this being presented and he said to me he's like because he was teaching in the
naturopathic school in Arizona so he also was confronted with the same kind of you know
like why isn't this being taught in school and again the germ theory was basically the dominant
thought pattern of all schooling so it's presented as another theory it's presented as like oh it was
the concoction of this this doctor or you know this scientist and it's like something to think about
but it's not going to be something that we're going to wrap into our lesson plans
so I said I actually made it I made it a thing for me it was a good it would be a goal that
I was going to teach every single student whether it be extra time that I was going to have to do it
I was going to teach every single student in our school about pleomorphism microzymas and
isopathic remedies well that's a pretty big undertaking for someone who's still learning
themselves right um why don't we take this opportunity to introduce um exactly what you're
talking about when you say pleomorphism and all those other fancy words absolutely um so when I was
learning about this I learned that the bacteria we see the fungus that we see the mycobacterium
that's the any microorganism in what we believe to be as a definitive form isn't a definitive
form it's a form that is derived by the adaptation of a submicroscopic organism or
thing called a microzyma so we're going to call it microzyma from nion because it's it's harder
to go with all the different scientists that found it and in my book I call it precursor because
it's a a tell of what it's actually doing right it's a precursor of all the different
microorganisms um but bachamp coined it microzyma because he believed it to be essentially initiating
processes in the body as well um so these microzymas is bachamp the first scientists
to observe this and write about it in detail yes absolutely he was the first to really
understand what he was looking at um because again uh when uh uh leewin hook made the microscope
and he saw his anamaculae um he doesn't talk about changing forms or things like that he just sees
these little things scurrying around and so he calls because remember he looked at the
target of his teeth but we don't know for like fully what he was really experiencing and if he
really kind of took the time to see them change or do anything so bachamp was really the first
person the first intellect to really go extensively writing about it i mean he has his one treaties on
it it's like i think it's like 1800 pages and he has endless endless endless works i mean we're
talking hundreds of works and studies and experiments that he's done that he's recorded
so let me um just help clarify this for the audience a little bit so we're talking about that
there is a a form of bacteria that's smaller than bacterial cells of various species
that is capable of changing right into or differentiating and morphing into these
various bacterial forms and there are different scientists who have sort of independently it seems
discovered these bodies but didn't necessarily know about each other because it was before the
information age i mean gaston nasons is one of the more recent scientists and i found out from
a lecture of his that he was already like a decade into his research when he discovered
that there were other scientists who um you know who saw the same phenomenon before it's and
so there are different names because of that and microzyma or you know little bodies right is the
name that beisham used but they're also the words protid somatide biont that are all describing the
same thing and how do you see these how do you observe them in their native form where
where would you see them what kind of technology do you need so you can see them most simply
and i just want to reference they're they're not bacteria at their basic form they're they're
colloid proteins in their basic form they're literally formless and they're really really
really small so when they're in their super basic do we when you say they're colloid proteins
are there experiments that actually do a structural analysis of what they're made of
i think gaston was the only one that kind of came to that conclusion based on his analyses
i don't think beisham was able to conclusively know exactly what they were in form but the fact that they
can expand in their size in a short period of time means that there's some sort of building block
that they're they're consistent of so the only the only building block that can expand and
multiply and create a structure that you know utilizes material around it would be
colloid like right and then the protein would be the some sort of protein backbone that can again
progressively get bigger and create more protein based forms right and you know let me just
clarify right we're not talking about anything magical when we're saying the they would get
bigger because you know we already are aware of bacterial spores for example which is a way that
bacteria can you know preserve themselves in an adverse environment and it's much smaller form
than the full-sized bacteria and also we have seeds and plants right that we see one little
seed grows into an entire plant and you know when i um heard about this at first and really
every time i see the pleomorphic cycle it so closely resembles all of the the cycles of stem cells
from human physiology right like we start off with the let's say the hematopoietic stem cell
and the bone marrow right and that becomes every kind of blood cell and there are all
these cycles that you could see it it changes shape it changes size it changes form right
the same thing we're talking about with microorganisms so it's not really that mysterious or magical
no and if you were to really dive deep in a lot of enderline's work and he used to put out a
journal when he was alive he had a journal and he used to write up many different things that he
did there was there was one work that was reiterated by many scientists after where he talks
about witnessing the the microzymas those those precursors we're talking about come together and
create different types of communities and essentially he was witnessing them come together and make a cell
so he suspected that prodits the reason why he called it prodits pro meaning the first he
believed that the microzymas or what he called prodits were actually the thing that created
the cells in our very own body so not just the bacterial forms the fungal forms in all that cycle
but he believed that they were the base of our own cellular structure so in other words that this
could be the base unit of all life forms yeah yeah exactly that's what he actually said he said
Rudolf Birchow was actually wrong saying that the cell was the the smallest unit of life he
believed that the prodit slash microzyma was the smallest unit of life now one thing really
fascinating if this is actually true and you know one of the big problems just to let everyone
know is that because the mainstream does not acknowledge the existence of these entities
there's very little research that that's been done so we don't you know we don't know all the
answers yet but these microzymas have been found in inanimate natural materials absolutely right
and and even in that form they are capable of becoming organisms as Beisham originally demonstrated
in one experiment with natural chalk for example so we're kind of saying that
life can begin in any environment whether or not there are other living organisms in that environment
absolutely and I actually got to witness it firsthand so I at the conference the
terrainology conference I met up with Topher Gardner and I learned about biochar and I
took it upon myself because again now I'm just obsessed with my microscope I took it upon
myself to make some biochar and to look at biochar under the microscope so for again anybody who
doesn't know biochar is biological charcoal you're basically burning leaves and branches and wood
and you're burning it not to ash but you're burning it to a stage where it's still black
it's basically charcoals it's right and this is done in what they call a non-pyrolytic
burn which is a very low or zero oxygen right so it's so it's different than charcoal
in other words which is made in an oxygen-rich environment correct so I looked at it under
and before I all I did was add so we burned leaves a bunch of leaves we burned leaves and then we
added distilled water to cool it off so that it wouldn't get to ash and then I took a little bit
of it I kind of grind grounded down a little bit put it on a slide put a little more distilled
water on it looked underneath and you see these spectacular little sparkly pieces of charcoal or
sparkly pieces of dry material and then you're seeing almost as if you're seeing little micro
diamonds all around you're seeing the microsimus in the back it's not a lot but they're there
so even under those exit conditions the microsimus are still there
and and that's kind of the point is to for them to turn into bacteria in the soil to help deliver
the nutrients the minerals to the plants right correct and they're sort of a matrix for the
microbial growth exactly well this is you know really fantastic that you were able to to do that
and witness that what kind of equipment do you need to see these microsimus so a good solid
very you know light compound microscope you want to have objectives of 1020 40 and you want to have a
dark field oil condenser because you the regular dark field condenser won't give you a real crisp
clear background so we're not looking at the foreground and all the big stuff like the red
blood cells I mean you are looking at it but it's not like the highlight you're looking at the background
you're looking at you know the black screen behind and all the sparkly things that are in the black
screen behind the so that's what the dark field does it a light compound brings the light
to and lights the background so when you're looking at an image of a regular light microscope
image the background is usually whitish white or like a very very light gray if you're looking
at a darker gray you're looking at phase contrast which again you still can't see them as well you
can almost see them at all and then dark field actually uses kind of like refraction where it's
lighting the objects in the image not the background and the background's black so you can see them
very well in a dark field in a light microscope with a dark field condenser
and one of the you know reasons why the mainstream does not acknowledge these is because they don't
use that type of microscopy is that correct correct correct and I mean they also don't look at living
specimens right because yes absolutely no I don't know if you you know if you have an h&e
blood smear can can you see them in in a dark field you can I mean it depends so I did another
experiment with methylene blue now everybody's using it as like a you know a thing and methylene
blue for again people that don't know was actually used as a stain so it was used as a stain
in microscopy and so I did an experiment to see okay what what would happen if I did you know
took a blood smear and I put a micro dot I literally put a micro dot of diluted diluted
0.1% methylene blue with my with a drop of my blood and I let it basically I put the cover slip on and
I put a syringe micro dot of it I don't even I can't even quantify how much I put it was just
a little and I let it kind of slowly slip into the slide the under the cover slip
and I watched it on on camera and as it started coming in it started staining my red blood
because when you see on dark field red blood cells aren't really red they're like yeah you
just see the outline really yeah blowing a little bit so I had to look at it in both avenues but what
was really interesting is with the dark field it actually started creating more of a refraction of
color so it started to stain my my sample my blood blue and created almost like a blue reddish pink
and while it was doing that it was lysing all my red blood cells and fixing them basically drying them
to the to the slide and all the activity that was there started to to literally almost like dry up
and just kind of fixed to the slide itself so I mean can you do it with a stain you might get
a little activity but I don't think you're going to get too too much activity because again you're
changing the environment of the blood or your smear or your whatever sample you have on the
slide and the micros microsimus have to adjust according to it well that's very interesting
so just to clarify you said that basically all the red blood cells were killed by the
takes methylene blue to know what it does to red blood yeah yeah it's it basically the idea is it's
suppressing movement it's suppressing action it's suppressing activity so what I was witnessing
was basically you're seeing these beautiful colors and but you're seeing cell death so a lot of
people who are experiencing not to digress but a lot of people who take methylene blue and
experience euphoria or experience some sort of relief but it's basically just suppressing
the activity of the symptom that you're feeling and it's not really healing you in any way
all right well that that's very helpful and if you guys want to learn more about methylene blue
I have a video in this series on that topic especially yes um well this is uh you know
such an interesting topic Marcel I just I want to know more um you know about it so how
what have you been able to learn about like the physical properties of the microzyma like
I know that nasons for example was able to isolate and purify them and do a variety of experiments
that I you know I want to be able to get to that point it's a little difficult because I don't
have a lab I don't have a nice big you know all and I want several microscopes to kind of
jump from different things and do different things so right now I'm just working on one microscope in
a small office um but what I have seen for my own is I've actually witnessed pleomorphism I actually
witnessed the changes that happen as the blood dies on the slide because many people forget
that once blood is taken out of the body it starts to become something different it's not
in your body anymore it's not you know getting the nourishment of being in the body so we're
witnessing something different we're witnessing decay destruction decomposition in that I get to
witness the how the microzymas react as the decomposition happens so I was able to witness
you know different changes in the in the plasma I was able to witness changes within the cells
themselves I was actually in some instances I actually get to see the microzymas go into
the red blood cells and change the red blood cells orientation and shape and form so it's very
interesting to see the dynamic of what what they do whether it be in the plasma or in the cell
or even you know when it's with platelets or white blood cells so really what what we're
saying here in part is that all of the bacteria or at least a large portion of the bacteria
that live in our body actually already come from inside of us correct they're not from the external
environment and and you know it's it's pretty well known that when human bodies decompose for
example right the the bacteria and other microbes that decompose the body come from inside
right not from the external environment correct so of course this directly speaks to germ
theory at least with respect to bacteria and fungal you know so-called diseases because
you know if these organisms are already in our body you know how could they be the cause of
of a disease right and also how could how could it be you know contagious right because we all
have them in our body that's right that's right and it's it's very telling because of the
once you understand that once you understand that microzymas will change with the environmental
change of the body microzymas change with the environmental change outside of your body
they're just responding and adapting to whatever is going on and another scientist royal rife
also created a microscope just like Gaston and he was able to witness all the different changes
as well all the pleomorphic cycle although he said based on his microscopic understanding
that with minute changes of pH minute changes of salinity minute changes of temperature and
even minute changes of sunlight you have billions if not more forms that can can occur
based on all those different variable changes so if we already understand that then we understand
if you eat a certain food if you think a certain way if you do a certain activity
if you have certain processes happening natural processes right a woman goes through men's ease
immense testosterone may drop all these changes will change the forms inside of you
and you know can we interpret that as that they are essentially adapting to the needs of the body
correct because they work synergistically with it absolutely and you know this can result
right in that that they can facilitate you know healing as well as facilitate death
absolutely well they are seprophetic right we know the seprophetic means to break down
dead tissue so you need to make space like the one thing that always clicked with me and
understanding how microorganisms work is osteoblasts and osteoclasts right we learned that
in med school right so that blast build class break down so if you're in order to build bone
how do we build bone if we have disrupted or decayed or diseased bone we have no space for it
it's like trying to build a skyscraper where there's already a skyscraper standing you can't
you got to break it down first to make the space to build up the new building right or
if you have a leak in your roof and you want to repair it right first you have to remove the
material that's water damaged and rotted and then replace it with new material right absolutely and
so microorganisms are doing that when you have diseased tissue about based on toxic exposure
or malnutrition or your trauma right you have a huge sprake or a cut on your skin
that inflammation process is the body and them working together to to remove that tissue
so that it can make space for new tissue to be built there the problem with medicine is that
they looks at inflammation that has taught us that inflammation again this is I remember this
distinctly in both naturopathic school and medical school inflammation was bad we've got to stop
inflammation that swelling that heat that you get on your ankle when you sprained it is
important it creates blood flow it creates limb flow it's moving the junk out right it's like you
know again that skyscraper they broke down the skyscraper you need now a congestion of construction
workers and you need it you know you have to close off the roads from normal you know normal
activity and you have to have all these people workers breaking down the material and bringing
it to the dumps and so a lot of the times inflammation is like a bad word I mean even
to the state alternative or complementary medicine is oh you need this this food is an anti-inflammatory
food or this is an anti-inflammatory what are you doing man you don't want to do that
I think I think we have the same pet peeves about mainstream medicine for us you know I've
definitely talked about this and even the mainstream acknowledges in the research literature that
inflammation is a healing process and a natural process right and then you can see a lot of you
know alternative health influencers saying that inflammation is actually the real cause
of the disease but how could a natural physiologic process be you know the cause of a disease it
doesn't really make sense and and what what's really going on in my opinion and maybe this is
you know a segue into homotoxicology is that the healing pathways are blocked in many people because
of probably chronic toxicity maybe surgical scars injuries emotional trauma and the inflammation
cannot accomplish its task because of the blockages right and then we get chronic inflammation and
instead of realizing that it's it's being blocked we blame the inflammation instead right exactly and
even when it's chronic inflammation that doesn't mean we want to stop it because that's basically
holding the fork it's holding holding together something that has is very weak and disrupted
it's kind of like you know when you take a cox two inhibitor right you take I have knee pain
so I'm going to run the marathon I love that commercial that was my favorite commercial
like I think it was the leave commercial where it's like oh I want to still go with the marathon so
I'm going to take a leave so I can keep going because of my knees and it's like no your knees
are telling you not to run the marathon because now you're not going to feel the pain and you're
going to keep going and now you have complete destruction of your cartilage so it's kind
of like if they were repairing a bridge and you know they laid down some of the structural
elements and then the workers went on strike because the city refused to pay right and that
would be like the anti-inflammatory drug and then people go across the bridge anyway
their car is going to go right into the water right and absolutely and they'll keep going like nobody
just always paying attention to the first guy they just keep going so what so can you talk a
little bit about homotoxicology and the evolution right of the different
organisms from the microzyma and then how do the blockages occur and relate to the
you know progression through the different disease conditions sure sure sure so rec wig
is the one that designed if you look up homotoxicology and Rick Woods
Rick Woods chart of homotoxicology which is a really nice chart that tells you the
different stages and levels of elimination right so the easiest understanding of elimination
would be like sneezing right some things you know something bothered you it could be in the air
or it could be something that you even ate like I I witnessed my sister sneeze through literally 15
minutes after she's had some white sugar like she sneezes so it's I've experienced this myself
from from pizza cheese oh there you go pasteurized cheese with the oh that's the trifecta of
wonderful like the wheat the oil the cheese absolutely perfect so yeah you you have a
response of I need to get this out and so that is the you know the body telling you the symptoms
are always the signs of this is what's happening I'm letting you know and as you go further and
further and the only way you go further and further towards deeper stronger eliminatory
patterns is because either the simple symptoms or the simple patterns are suppressed right
so you you keep sneezing but you you don't know it's the pizza so this time you take claretine
or you take some you know no spray that stops you from sneezing so much so the next step would be
like inflamed you know turbinates like inflamed sinuses right from the sinusitis right exactly
so you're like oh you know and you continue to not realize that it's the pizza so you're
like oh I have a sinus infection this that any other again that's the heightened step right
so the body's going I need to still eliminate this but you're not paying attention so I'm going to
increase blood flow increase mucus flow increase the surface area of the area that's inflamed right
to try to eliminate out whatever it is I'm trying to eliminate obviously when you take a swab you're
going to see bacteria or you're going to see fungus because that's an indication that those
microorganisms are trying to help because the initial stages of sneezing was ignored so now the
body needs you know all hands on deck to try to get what's going on out now you have your sinusitis
you either take more medicines or you take antibiotics or you know even certain
herbs can be suppressive because again it's all about understanding what you need what your
body needs to do and support that not go against it so you take more suppressive medicines and it
embeds deeper and deeper into your body and so now the alimentary processes are being suppressed
and the body goes okay we can't get it out this way so maybe we can get it out through the lungs
and breathing so then you have bronchitis or mucus in your lungs or thong things like that or
you have some sort of mucus build up in your gut and now you're having you know constipation
diarrhea things like that you you have breakouts of rashes on your skin because the body's trying
to get it out some way and skin is a huge detoxifying organ so it gets deeper and deeper and deeper
until you get to a point where there's like a delineation between the body trying to get it
out to now it's so much and so overwhelmed it's going to start storing it in tissues because it
just can't with all the stressors we have in our world it's kind of going uh well you breathe in
chemicals you eat chemicals you're not defecating enough you don't drink enough clean fresh water
you're not getting sunlight you're not getting fresh air i can't handle this toxin that's already
here so i'm going to store it in some tissue and basically surround it with like a biofilm
or surround it with extracellular um creations which are you know neoplastic or dysplastic
because i need to protect myself so this is where you go from a sneeze to potentially producing
tumorous or or tumorous growths or masses in places so you know we can see here that
many of the pharmaceuticals are actually designed to contribute to this process now maybe unknowingly
right because what the way that they're evaluated is by reduction or improvement in the symptoms
which is the symptoms are related to a body's actual healing process right and we're turning
those off with these pharmaceuticals and it occurred to me while you were talking that
it's all of the over the counter drugs that start this process right because what you have a cold
so you take an antihistamine to suppress sneezing and runny nose and dry dry you out right you you
take a decongestant to reverse the vasodilatation from bringing extra blood for healing right you
have diarrhea or nausea you you take lomodal or you know some over the counter opioid
to shut down your bowel elimination and all those things force the problem deeper into
the body even though you may get short-term relief right and and eventually if you keep
suppressing it because even when it turns into a chronic process you know like COPD or rheumatoid
arthritis or angina or whatever it's going to be what do you do you still go and get more
suppressive drugs you know get steroids you know things like that that counteract
the body's attempt to restore homeostasis or you go natural and you do the same thing you get a
homeopathic remedy that stops it you get an herb that stops it without actually understanding why
your body is doing it so you know the natural world isn't without its own faults in terms of
that because people can walk into a health food store and go oh sinus infection here's the
homeopathic remedy for it so what Maricel what are some specific remedies that will actually
suppress the these healing mechanisms so again it's it's a matter of understanding that you want
to work with the body and the problem is is that a lot of the times people fear the symptom
right so if you have diarrhea for a couple of days what what is your first human thought
I can't have diarrhea forever right so that's a human response I totally get it
diarrhea is very annoying believe me I had one time I it was like 30 times I went to the bathroom I
totally get it believe me but at the same time you have to understand what is it that the body
is trying to get rid of and if is this substance really really toxic and do I want to have it
in there maybe it takes a couple days for it to come out so remedies that support the body's
emphasis of elimination but in a more efficient way right so I want I don't want diarrhea per se
but I want to continue to eliminate so let me propose what I might suggest in that situation
and you tell me does this support the body's function so uh so let's say diarrhea is the
main presentation so uh first I would think of increased hydration because you're losing more water
and the body can't continue to mount diarrhea without having enough fluids correct and then the second
thing I would think of might be something like charcoal which can help absorb some of the
toxins that are already in the colon to support what the body's trying to do with the diarrhea
okay so don't forget don't forget perfect don't forget you need minerals too because you're not
just looting water you're losing a ton of minerals as you're defecating as well you're defecating
and urinating so you want minerals as well um I always have people it's a really really good
mixture it's kind of like the old-fashioned Gatorade I have people add um a salt a good clean
sea salt um I add a little bit of raw honey and I add a little bit of squeeze a lemon
and you drink that when you have diarrhea you keep drinking that and that will resupply you
resupply and as long as you're urinating you're hydrated well that's interesting so I think my
version of that would probably be uh water with um molasses and uh and chelagine perfect
perfect combination so you're you're basically getting the same thing you know some people do
oranges some people do lemons um some people do the the chelagine some people do you know
Celtic sea salt or you know different variations of salts the idea is you want to have a you want
to refurbish the body with what it's losing so that it can continue doing what it needs to do
but if you add that charcoal the likelihood of expediting the problem will be enhanced right
you want to make it more efficient right then here's the other deal is are you adding insult so that's
that's a one avenue um somewhat in context you know understanding but we have to also understand
a lot of times people continue to eat aggravating foods while they're having diarrhea they're
drinking aggravating things why they have diarrhea they're doing stressful activities
while they're having diarrhea so we have to understand also that we're in we incite more
stress on the body when the body's detoxing so we have to kind of step back and go
this activity is happening let me uh for lack of better words create you know space for that
you know uh create time and convalesce for that and keep the energy reserves for that activity
so it would probably be a good time for fasting or a liquid diet at least while the diarrhea was
active absolutely absolutely so i think we could all see that if you are aware of these
principles um you you can almost figure out what to what's the best thing to do for your body
in these situations the emphasis on understanding microzymas is that it's working with your body
which means what should you do work with your body as well it's it's a it's a really huge sign of it
and unfortunately again we have the conventional you know health ideology which is based on the
germ theory that is always well if this is occurring we need to kind of stop it if this
is you know if this has been happening a long time we need to kind of calm it down no we need
to listen and understand it and interpret it and i think a lot of times i think that's the one thing
that the big lesson i learned is when i understood you know when someone came up with strep in their
throat it was a marker and it was an i learned to interpret it like almost like a rosetta stone
kind of thing like i understood that strep was there because it was doing a job so what do i need to do
to help the body so that the strep can pliomorph back into its more you know smaller maintenance
form and what what would that be it would be supporting the tissue right so strep you know
for people that don't know strep is a bacteria that likes to be in the presence of blood
right so if you if you work in the lab you understand that to grow strep
you're using a petri dish that has blood in it so if strep is showing up that means that the tissue
is actually breaking down and even maybe have micro bleeds which means if the tissue is broken
down and have micro bleeds we need things to help repair the mucosa of the throat of that tissue
we need things to help repair the elasticity and the tissue itself from being wounded
don't you so it's something like bone broth that would be a bone absolutely bone broth a
marshmallow root again even fasting sometimes or you know for some people even going like one day
without speaking which i don't i don't know how to do that but just sometimes one day without
speaking you know to you have to do a v-posino retreat exactly so you know just it understanding
you know because we didn't get into the pleomorphic cycle but understanding that you are
trying to bring it back to the simple forms of the microzyma and that all anytime you see an
organism on your body it's not to fight them it's to understand that they're telling you
something they are the rosetta of some sort of degradation some sort of decomposition
addition some sort of trauma toxin something that needs help and they are the help and of course we
can deduce uh something about the nature of the problem from observing and learning about
you know the particular species that we see at the site of disease right exactly so if you see on
your skin staff versus you see candida on your skin or yeast on your skin those there's a
different issue although it's still the skin obviously needs help from the outside from the inside
but the form that's there that's showing up tells us a story and it tells us a story of
what's going on with the balance of that area of that particular organ as well as the balance of
the body itself and are there forms that indicate a more advanced or serious health concern
yeah so on the pleomorphic cycle we start off with the microzymas we go to bacteria
then as the terrain starts to become more acidic um more degraded you're looking at then you're
going into mycobacterium and then you're going to fungal form and then fungal form to yeast
form so yeast is usually indication that the tissue is very much uh lacking oxygen lacking
blood flow lacking nourishment and what about um anaerobic forms of bacteria like i was curious
with your experiment uh watching the uh tissue break down under the microscope did you did you
see anaerobic forms um there were yeah there were some it every tissue it's very interesting
when you watch every person's tissue degrade uh in the microscope they don't degrade the same
way so sometimes you get anaerobic forms and sometimes you don't you just literally see it
you know oxygen you know bacteria that like oxygen and then all you see is dry like fixed
done dry um it's very interesting that every every person has a unique uh death pattern if you will
so if someone is you know having like uh recurrent yeast infections for example
um which you know is not a problem caused by the yeast would would you suspect that there is a
more advanced issue going on internally yes absolutely whether it's yeast uh in the
gut or you see actually in the mouth um you know or in you know the vaginal well I was
yeah I was talking about in the vaginal right so you're looking at so you can see the thrush uh as
well so the yeast is an indication yeast is a very a very strong sacrifice um and so that means that
the tissue itself is not getting again the blood the oxygen the nourishment it needs it may have
trauma to it so you're having a lot of cellular breakdown um and a lot of times we we you know a
lot of times where the where you find yeast on the body is places where there's there's not a lot
of air circulation there's not a lot of sunlight there's not a lot of blood circulation you know
we're either sitting on those areas or those areas are bent or covered you know or body cavity
right exactly so you you know we have to take the time to make sure that you know you're not always
sitting your feet are not always cramped in a sweaty cotton sock and a shoe you know or you
know like even runners runners get yeast on their toes why because you're getting the trauma
of running and slamming those toes now that the shoes are much better but back in the day
you know you had these tight tight sneakers that you know eventually I would have I would
have patients that their toes were like during running their toes would start to get numb and
they were like oh that's normal and it's like no that's not normal so it's it we have to take
into account that our our body needs circulation our body needs flow and when there's a lack of
that over the course of time continuously you're going to have organisms that show up that
are going to be doing their job with great perseverance well fantastic you know it's this
has been a really interesting discussion because we can now you know have a whole new perspective
and I think a lot of people have talked about you know terrain theory and exalted as kind of a
magical notion a little bit and think you know but I'm not sure exactly what people mean when they
say that and but what we're talking about here really with you know the combination of pleomorphic
theory and homotoxicology is we have you know a solid testable model that we can put forth
right to explain disease and it provides you know rich diagnostic observations that help us
assess the problem and it provides you know a clear rationale of how to help your body
heal and restore health you know if if it's possible because you know the the death rate is 100
percent so we can't avoid that and sometimes you know from a clinical point of view is just
accepting that you know that that it's your time but for for most folks in most conditions
if you can get out of the way right stop putting more poison in the body at least whatever the
poisons are that you know about or you can know about right and support the body's healing
mechanisms and not you know blame things that aren't the cause like the germs we can really have
amazing health absolutely absolutely well said and you know I look at I look at I have you know
microbiology books old ones I don't know even know why I keep them but I have them and then you
know the diagnostic books and and textbooks and things like that that we get from school
and I one day I will take it upon myself to rewrite it because if again like you said if we
can look at organisms as indicators as markers to help guide us as to how to help a person
healthcare would be extremely different yeah far easier less expensive and way more successful
yeah exactly Marisol thank you so much for educating us on these important and wondrous
topics today how can people you know get your book how can they work with you or find out more
about what you're doing my book can be found on amazon you can also find it on bookshop
and thrift books I think thank you um and you can also if you want to have multiple copies we have
a website germs are not our enemy dot com so if you want to get you know more than one you can
probably get a discount in terms of like bulk order like this would be good for a homeschool
co-op for example absolutely because this book can definitely be read by high school students
yeah absolutely I try to my editor said to tone down a lot of the uh sciencey stuff so I had to
bring it down so I wanted it to be so that people can be you know it could be the door that opens
them to the world listen you you really did a great job with that because you know of course
when I read it I was craving a more advanced um uh text but I saw like the you you really
took the time to not take the reader's knowledge for granted and to spell out the the introductory
and background concepts very clearly so this it would be a really good book for a you know a real
biology curriculum fantastic thank you um but yeah I hope to have a more more extended
professional unabridged version so that that should that should come out you know I shouldn't
say soon but that will come out but yeah you can find me on terraindoctor.com you can also
find me on substack I'm always writing articles to reinforce you know what you learn in the book
and um I'm kind of on Instagram so sort of there not really there all that often I should be but
I'm not but substack you find me Dr. Maricel and then terraindoctor.com well fantastic I
definitely encourage everyone to go and uh sign up for Dr. Arsé's uh substack and
definitely read her book and um maybe we'll you know have a part two of this discussion
and get into some more advanced topics down the road but uh until then I'll see everyone on the
next True Health Report