WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.240 Prodits, the reason why he called it Prodits Pro meaning the first, he believed that the 00:05.240 --> 00:09.660 microzymus or what he called Prodits were actually the thing that created the cells in 00:09.660 --> 00:14.700 our very own body. So not just the bacterial forms, the fungal forms and all that cycle, 00:15.060 --> 00:18.020 but he believed that they were the base of our own cellular structure. 00:18.360 --> 00:23.120 So in other words that this could be the base unit of all life forms. 00:23.520 --> 00:29.380 This is the true health report where critical appraisal fuels true freedom. 00:35.840 --> 00:41.100 Hello everyone and welcome to the true health report. I'm your host Dr. Andrew Kaufman 00:41.640 --> 00:49.580 and today we're going to get into some aspects of the terrain model with my special guest, 00:49.860 --> 00:56.720 Dr. Marisol Arce. The author of germs are not our enemy, an excellent book and written 00:56.720 --> 01:02.820 at a level that anyone can understand it. It's not written for scientists. So I definitely 01:02.820 --> 01:11.860 encourage people to take a look. Dr. Arce is a doctor of naturopathy and she has unique expertise 01:12.480 --> 01:19.400 in the area of pleomorphism and a dark field microscopy and we met each other through the 01:19.400 --> 01:25.540 Biggelson brothers and she participated in a panel discussion that we did about microscopic 01:25.540 --> 01:33.240 nanotechnology and also put on a conference terrainology that I spoke at recently and I 01:33.240 --> 01:40.600 wanted to get her on to talk about this topic a little bit more comprehensively. So welcome Marisol. 01:41.140 --> 01:44.280 Hi, nice to be here. Thank you for having me. 01:44.980 --> 01:50.760 Sure. I wonder if we could start off to, if you could tell the audience a little bit about 01:50.760 --> 01:58.020 how you stumbled into this area a little bit off the beaten path and of course before the 01:58.020 --> 02:05.140 pandemic so you are already on this journey. So let us know a little bit about your story. 02:05.880 --> 02:16.020 Sure. So the story goes that I was in regular medical school and I was in New York 02:16.840 --> 02:24.840 medical college and I was very disheartened by it. I mean not to sound cliche but I always 02:24.840 --> 02:29.620 wanted to be a doctor. I always wanted to help people. The earliest memory and the earliest 02:29.620 --> 02:36.440 photograph of me mixing crushed leaves and rocks on my driveway when I'm super little trying 02:36.440 --> 02:41.940 to give people potions. That was me trying to help people thinking I'm making medicines for them 02:41.940 --> 02:48.760 and listen historically that's not far off but you know growing up in the 80s and the 90s that's 02:48.760 --> 02:54.740 not what medicine was so I had to go through all the rigmarole of going through schooling and 02:54.740 --> 03:01.460 med school and pre-med and etc. Being that I was disheartened I found myself in naturopathic 03:01.460 --> 03:07.400 school naturopathic medical school in Connecticut. Before we go there what was it that was 03:07.400 --> 03:16.360 disheartening about the allopathic medical training? Oh so you know I grew up in a very 03:16.360 --> 03:25.520 multicultural family and predominantly I was brought up as a Peruvian so my father was born 03:25.520 --> 03:32.040 and raised in Peru and very much a lot of my family is Peruvian and my grandfather who 03:32.040 --> 03:37.660 I was fortunate to have lived with us for many years in our house in New York. 03:38.640 --> 03:43.480 He actually taught me a lot of different things that you can do when you're feeling sick you know 03:43.480 --> 03:47.160 when you're not feeling good when certain things are happening he taught me all these 03:47.160 --> 03:54.560 different unique treatments you know using lemon peels and you know different types of 03:54.560 --> 03:59.320 making broths and drinking combinations of substances and using certain herbs and 03:59.320 --> 04:05.680 certain teas so I was fortunate to have this experience and that really drove me to wanting 04:05.680 --> 04:10.280 to be an anthropologist but at the same time I wanted to be a doctor so I was like how can I 04:10.280 --> 04:15.360 how can I blend the two you know so I was like oh I'm gonna get into anthropology but I'll do 04:15.360 --> 04:20.800 pre-med in college but I really want to delve into medicine and food and nutrition when I was 04:20.800 --> 04:26.680 in college so I predominantly did that in college I did college in three years because I just 04:26.680 --> 04:32.620 you know banged through all my courses because I knew what I wanted to do so I got into med school 04:34.160 --> 04:41.040 and I thought because of my exposure to my grandfather my exposure to the cultural 04:41.040 --> 04:46.840 ideologies you know from around the world from in college I thought medicine was gonna have some 04:46.840 --> 04:58.240 of that in there and medicine was so washed so clinical so sanitized of cultural understandings 04:58.240 --> 05:06.720 you know ethnic you know incorporations you know and and that to me it didn't resonate 05:06.720 --> 05:12.240 there was something missing in medicine if if we're looking at the human body in context which 05:12.240 --> 05:16.180 you know we live in context we live in our environments we live in our cultures we live 05:16.180 --> 05:22.220 in our communities and having someone being diagnosed with a disease despite whatever foods 05:22.220 --> 05:27.620 he was eating or the environment he was in it didn't it didn't resonate it didn't make sense 05:27.620 --> 05:33.120 you were just the stat you were just an ICD-9 code you were just a diagnosis you know you were 05:33.120 --> 05:37.600 and that didn't that didn't resonate with me I didn't believe that we were just a bag of 05:37.600 --> 05:46.740 chemicals and that we were discerned by lab reports and you know the supposed objectiveness 05:47.280 --> 05:54.160 of the doctor so um I was literally you know I don't want to I don't want to underestimate it 05:54.160 --> 06:00.360 because of course everything you say is true and I've spoken with other doctors who were disheartened 06:00.860 --> 06:04.880 by similar attributes but it takes a lot of courage to 06:05.600 --> 06:10.480 leave medical school I mean it's a big deal just to get in to be part of that right you're 06:10.480 --> 06:18.580 initiated into the club and you must have had some very strong abilities like some fortitude to make 06:18.580 --> 06:26.080 that decision uh yeah I had a good good-headed mom I had a very strong mom that always was again 06:26.080 --> 06:30.620 you know worked against the grain you know she there was part of her that said go through 06:30.620 --> 06:35.460 the hoops and then there was part of her when she saw that I was really having trouble she said you 06:35.460 --> 06:40.660 know what you will find what you're looking for you know go go through what you need to go through 06:40.660 --> 06:46.620 but at the same time find what you're looking for the the path shouldn't be this hard so um I did 06:46.620 --> 06:51.960 my research and I found naturopathic medical school and I said oh you know looking at their 06:51.960 --> 06:58.060 their course loads their curriculums I said wow I can get the experience of medicine 06:58.060 --> 07:04.460 but with the incorporation of the understanding of of how the environment and nature plays a role 07:05.240 --> 07:14.940 so I got in and um um not to not to take away from some of the education I got from it 07:14.940 --> 07:20.000 but at the same time naturopathic medical school is not as as 07:21.440 --> 07:26.660 natury and you know it's not the idealistic thing that I thought it was going to be so 07:26.660 --> 07:32.600 I had to make it my own right so well that's great because I'm often asked by young people who are 07:32.600 --> 07:38.040 interested in you know a career like we have uh you know should I go to this school or that school 07:38.040 --> 07:47.000 and generally my response is no because because you you can acquire the knowledge yes in other 07:47.000 --> 07:55.680 ways right because all the educational institutions even if they are built or based on originally 07:55.680 --> 08:02.640 right the right body of knowledge the mission of the organization changes over time 08:02.640 --> 08:09.240 towards self-preservation and even naturopathic colleges and chinese medicine uh colleges 08:09.730 --> 08:16.220 you know all participated in the covid rituals for example correct absolutely and and grotesquely 08:16.970 --> 08:24.540 to a farther extent than I expected so yes absolutely um so yeah no it's it's the same you 08:24.540 --> 08:32.520 know it's ssdd same crap different you know different day but um at least I was forwarded the 08:32.520 --> 08:39.260 opportunity to have professionals who were experienced in other aspects of health teach 08:39.260 --> 08:45.420 me right so I wouldn't have had that experience in regular conventional medical school so 08:45.420 --> 08:52.740 some of my courses transferred um and but one course that I had to not so much do again but 08:52.740 --> 09:01.600 I had to kind of like do the second part was microbiology and um so we had a lab and we had 09:01.600 --> 09:08.780 courses we had class you know classroom work um the lab was one of the major projects in lab was 09:08.780 --> 09:15.340 to culture something and in culturing that something you you know you're taking a 09:15.340 --> 09:20.300 swab of an object and then you're going to culture it in different mediums in different 09:20.300 --> 09:23.360 environments like different temperatures and things like that and you have to write 09:23.360 --> 09:29.160 you know your report what you see under the microscope um so this is just any bacteria 09:29.160 --> 09:35.000 that's in the environment not from like a clinical specimen no no like I swabbed my cell 09:35.000 --> 09:40.580 phone like that that was my that was my project swabbing my cell phone um you know other people 09:40.580 --> 09:46.220 did their shoe some people did their hair clip you know everybody did different things um I decided 09:46.220 --> 09:50.800 you know go for the go for the gold and just do something that you know touches me all the time 09:51.340 --> 09:57.700 so um I swabbed my cell phone and I had it and you know different petri dishes and you know the 09:57.700 --> 10:02.200 method of doing it you have to kind of do it a certain way you burn it on the burn bunsen 10:02.200 --> 10:07.820 burner and you scrape the agar you need to sterilize the dish and then put the culture medium 10:07.820 --> 10:13.720 and then the sterile method right exactly yeah sure I've done that millions of times 10:14.380 --> 10:20.020 millions of times um so I did it and then you know you have to check on your culture you have to see 10:20.020 --> 10:24.580 you see what's going on so you have to take a little sample of it and look at it under the microscope 10:25.200 --> 10:31.980 so I looked at it under the microscope one of my samples that was um I think it was in 90 10:31.980 --> 10:38.680 about night like body temperature I think it was in the 98 degree um you know a little 10:39.290 --> 10:45.900 yeah exactly and um and so then I looked under the microscope and I'm having I'm seeing these forms 10:45.900 --> 10:54.780 these bacterial forms that are not round but not long so they're not one form or another they're 10:54.780 --> 11:02.480 like in between forms so and for those that are listening you know we're we're taught that 11:02.480 --> 11:09.760 bacteria have either circular form right right basilis right correct so mine were kind of like 11:09.760 --> 11:18.280 doing like the the kind of weird like overly thing in between now I have seen on lab reports from a 11:18.280 --> 11:28.540 culture coxobacilli right exactly but my what was strange was I had the the oval forms the coxobacilli 11:28.540 --> 11:35.860 but then I had both the cox the cox and the bacilli at the same time so they were it was like they 11:35.860 --> 11:42.800 were changing they were dancing and going to different forms back and forth so I I reported 11:42.800 --> 11:51.760 that and and I told the professor and he said um that doesn't seem right so so he's like you 11:51.760 --> 11:56.920 know swab your phone again do it again I had to do it all again and I was having the same 11:56.920 --> 12:03.600 results it says if I was catching them doing the dance to go in between the different the different 12:03.600 --> 12:09.840 stages or the different forms and I said look this is happening again and I kept on getting like 12:09.840 --> 12:15.020 you're doing the you know the sterile method wrong you're doing something wrong you're doing 12:15.020 --> 12:20.480 something wrong so I was like even even if you made a mistake there still had to be an 12:20.480 --> 12:27.460 explanation right right right exactly exactly so I was like but I swear you know like you you start to 12:27.460 --> 12:34.520 like second guess your abilities like you second guess your observation skills your your lab skill 12:34.520 --> 12:40.300 everything so I he I had to come extra times because he's like we're gonna go over it like 12:40.300 --> 12:44.220 you know oh you don't you don't know how to do the sterile method you're not doing it right 12:44.220 --> 12:49.820 you're not holding in the Bunsen burner long enough or something so he did it he did it with 12:49.820 --> 12:57.280 me like he literally did his own Petri dish and we stick it in the incubator and we have the same result 12:59.180 --> 13:05.760 so he's like well you know there's something going on here you're gonna have to you just 13:05.760 --> 13:11.860 write that up in your report I you know I've never seen this before so you know you do that 13:12.440 --> 13:21.220 and it happened to be that I that was always in the back of my head that something was different 13:21.220 --> 13:27.580 that something was off like it didn't make sense that I was stuck I was the only one in in the 13:27.580 --> 13:34.460 class that was stuck with this issue and it just happened to be I just kind of was delving into 13:34.980 --> 13:40.920 these this idea of you know there's maybe there's I discovered new bacteria you know like 13:40.920 --> 13:48.780 something something and almost a year later um there was an opening for a job for a company called 13:48.780 --> 13:55.360 Plio Sanam they don't exist anymore here in the States um but Sanam the company that's in Germany 13:55.360 --> 14:03.160 exists still and so they were looking for a rep for the company and I was like hey yeah whatever 14:03.160 --> 14:08.060 I'll make some extra dough you know whatever I didn't know it was like completely nonchalant 14:08.060 --> 14:13.880 like I didn't make it a big deal but they were recruiting from the from your school yeah they 14:13.880 --> 14:20.020 already had a rep in my school but she was graduating and I never even heard of the company so uh you 14:20.020 --> 14:25.220 know I didn't maybe she didn't really kind of understand her job or she didn't really do her 14:25.220 --> 14:32.280 job I didn't even know that they existed in my school so I go to um I'm offered you know like 14:32.280 --> 14:36.940 you're gonna get this interview in a week here's the material look at this website you know look 14:36.940 --> 14:42.580 at the you know we will send you some in the mail a big package of paperwork that you could read and 14:42.580 --> 14:49.420 you know blah blah blah blah so I remember sitting on my living room floor in my in the condo I was 14:49.420 --> 14:55.180 renting for school and I spread out all this information I was looking at my laptop and I was 14:55.180 --> 15:04.720 like this makes sense this is what happened to me in school a year ago and it was basically 15:04.720 --> 15:11.580 Pleo Sanham it was Sanham made the remedies for Enderline isopathic remedies and they talked about 15:11.580 --> 15:17.380 pleomorphism and they show you the whole cycle and you know you change the environment and they 15:17.380 --> 15:23.360 change form and I was like this is it this is what happened oh my gosh this is serendipitous 15:24.160 --> 15:29.740 so I was soaking up that information like I was reading everything they gave me highlighting it 15:29.740 --> 15:35.020 I had a folder a binder you know I was looking on the internet I was researching I started learning 15:35.020 --> 15:41.560 about like everything everything that I can get my hands on so I did at that time when you kind of 15:41.560 --> 15:47.580 made that realization and connected it to your microbiology course experience did you ask the 15:47.580 --> 15:52.980 question you know why don't my professors know about this or why is this not part of my curriculum 15:53.800 --> 16:01.180 so once I had the interview and I was hired within 15 minutes um yeah I had a discussion 16:01.180 --> 16:07.080 with the medical liaison who's who's the one that hired me um you know for the company and I said 16:07.080 --> 16:13.220 why isn't this being presented and he said to me he's like because he was teaching in the 16:13.220 --> 16:20.440 naturopathic school in Arizona so he also was confronted with the same kind of you know 16:20.440 --> 16:26.060 like why isn't this being taught in school and again the germ theory was basically the dominant 16:26.060 --> 16:33.380 thought pattern of all schooling so it's presented as another theory it's presented as like oh it was 16:33.380 --> 16:39.320 the concoction of this this doctor or you know this scientist and it's like something to think about 16:39.320 --> 16:43.200 but it's not going to be something that we're going to wrap into our lesson plans 16:43.860 --> 16:49.120 so I said I actually made it I made it a thing for me it was a good it would be a goal that 16:49.120 --> 16:54.820 I was going to teach every single student whether it be extra time that I was going to have to do it 16:54.820 --> 17:00.680 I was going to teach every single student in our school about pleomorphism microzymas and 17:00.680 --> 17:07.360 isopathic remedies well that's a pretty big undertaking for someone who's still learning 17:07.360 --> 17:15.320 themselves right um why don't we take this opportunity to introduce um exactly what you're 17:15.320 --> 17:22.500 talking about when you say pleomorphism and all those other fancy words absolutely um so when I was 17:22.500 --> 17:29.500 learning about this I learned that the bacteria we see the fungus that we see the mycobacterium 17:29.500 --> 17:36.340 that's the any microorganism in what we believe to be as a definitive form isn't a definitive 17:36.340 --> 17:45.180 form it's a form that is derived by the adaptation of a submicroscopic organism or 17:46.220 --> 17:52.800 thing called a microzyma so we're going to call it microzyma from nion because it's it's harder 17:52.800 --> 17:58.000 to go with all the different scientists that found it and in my book I call it precursor because 17:58.000 --> 18:04.400 it's a a tell of what it's actually doing right it's a precursor of all the different 18:04.400 --> 18:12.940 microorganisms um but bachamp coined it microzyma because he believed it to be essentially initiating 18:12.940 --> 18:19.300 processes in the body as well um so these microzymas is bachamp the first scientists 18:19.300 --> 18:25.880 to observe this and write about it in detail yes absolutely he was the first to really 18:25.880 --> 18:33.340 understand what he was looking at um because again uh when uh uh leewin hook made the microscope 18:33.340 --> 18:42.260 and he saw his anamaculae um he doesn't talk about changing forms or things like that he just sees 18:42.260 --> 18:47.520 these little things scurrying around and so he calls because remember he looked at the 18:47.520 --> 18:52.940 target of his teeth but we don't know for like fully what he was really experiencing and if he 18:52.940 --> 18:58.240 really kind of took the time to see them change or do anything so bachamp was really the first 18:58.240 --> 19:04.100 person the first intellect to really go extensively writing about it i mean he has his one treaties on 19:04.100 --> 19:09.200 it it's like i think it's like 1800 pages and he has endless endless endless works i mean we're 19:09.200 --> 19:14.300 talking hundreds of works and studies and experiments that he's done that he's recorded 19:15.480 --> 19:21.520 so let me um just help clarify this for the audience a little bit so we're talking about that 19:21.520 --> 19:28.920 there is a a form of bacteria that's smaller than bacterial cells of various species 19:29.780 --> 19:37.380 that is capable of changing right into or differentiating and morphing into these 19:37.380 --> 19:44.280 various bacterial forms and there are different scientists who have sort of independently it seems 19:44.280 --> 19:51.780 discovered these bodies but didn't necessarily know about each other because it was before the 19:51.780 --> 19:58.860 information age i mean gaston nasons is one of the more recent scientists and i found out from 19:58.860 --> 20:03.400 a lecture of his that he was already like a decade into his research when he discovered 20:03.400 --> 20:11.020 that there were other scientists who um you know who saw the same phenomenon before it's and 20:11.020 --> 20:18.060 so there are different names because of that and microzyma or you know little bodies right is the 20:18.060 --> 20:28.280 name that beisham used but they're also the words protid somatide biont that are all describing the 20:28.280 --> 20:34.800 same thing and how do you see these how do you observe them in their native form where 20:34.800 --> 20:40.480 where would you see them what kind of technology do you need so you can see them most simply 20:40.480 --> 20:44.780 and i just want to reference they're they're not bacteria at their basic form they're they're 20:44.780 --> 20:50.320 colloid proteins in their basic form they're literally formless and they're really really 20:50.320 --> 20:55.460 really small so when they're in their super basic do we when you say they're colloid proteins 20:55.460 --> 21:01.580 are there experiments that actually do a structural analysis of what they're made of 21:02.780 --> 21:08.820 i think gaston was the only one that kind of came to that conclusion based on his analyses 21:08.820 --> 21:16.440 i don't think beisham was able to conclusively know exactly what they were in form but the fact that they 21:17.680 --> 21:24.960 can expand in their size in a short period of time means that there's some sort of building block 21:24.960 --> 21:31.820 that they're they're consistent of so the only the only building block that can expand and 21:31.820 --> 21:38.640 multiply and create a structure that you know utilizes material around it would be 21:38.640 --> 21:46.580 colloid like right and then the protein would be the some sort of protein backbone that can again 21:47.700 --> 21:54.560 progressively get bigger and create more protein based forms right and you know let me just 21:54.560 --> 21:59.160 clarify right we're not talking about anything magical when we're saying the they would get 21:59.160 --> 22:05.060 bigger because you know we already are aware of bacterial spores for example which is a way that 22:05.060 --> 22:10.660 bacteria can you know preserve themselves in an adverse environment and it's much smaller form 22:10.660 --> 22:16.820 than the full-sized bacteria and also we have seeds and plants right that we see one little 22:16.820 --> 22:23.640 seed grows into an entire plant and you know when i um heard about this at first and really 22:23.640 --> 22:34.360 every time i see the pleomorphic cycle it so closely resembles all of the the cycles of stem cells 22:34.360 --> 22:40.800 from human physiology right like we start off with the let's say the hematopoietic stem cell 22:40.800 --> 22:45.900 and the bone marrow right and that becomes every kind of blood cell and there are all 22:45.900 --> 22:51.520 these cycles that you could see it it changes shape it changes size it changes form right 22:51.520 --> 22:58.340 the same thing we're talking about with microorganisms so it's not really that mysterious or magical 22:58.920 --> 23:04.700 no and if you were to really dive deep in a lot of enderline's work and he used to put out a 23:04.700 --> 23:09.280 journal when he was alive he had a journal and he used to write up many different things that he 23:09.280 --> 23:15.640 did there was there was one work that was reiterated by many scientists after where he talks 23:15.640 --> 23:23.140 about witnessing the the microzymas those those precursors we're talking about come together and 23:23.140 --> 23:29.060 create different types of communities and essentially he was witnessing them come together and make a cell 23:29.640 --> 23:36.760 so he suspected that prodits the reason why he called it prodits pro meaning the first he 23:36.760 --> 23:41.320 believed that the microzymas or what he called prodits were actually the thing that created 23:41.320 --> 23:47.020 the cells in our very own body so not just the bacterial forms the fungal forms in all that cycle 23:47.020 --> 23:52.700 but he believed that they were the base of our own cellular structure so in other words that this 23:52.700 --> 23:59.780 could be the base unit of all life forms yeah yeah exactly that's what he actually said he said 23:59.780 --> 24:06.060 Rudolf Birchow was actually wrong saying that the cell was the the smallest unit of life he 24:06.060 --> 24:12.080 believed that the prodit slash microzyma was the smallest unit of life now one thing really 24:12.080 --> 24:18.600 fascinating if this is actually true and you know one of the big problems just to let everyone 24:18.600 --> 24:22.940 know is that because the mainstream does not acknowledge the existence of these entities 24:23.580 --> 24:29.160 there's very little research that that's been done so we don't you know we don't know all the 24:29.160 --> 24:38.320 answers yet but these microzymas have been found in inanimate natural materials absolutely right 24:38.320 --> 24:46.540 and and even in that form they are capable of becoming organisms as Beisham originally demonstrated 24:46.540 --> 24:53.640 in one experiment with natural chalk for example so we're kind of saying that 24:54.360 --> 25:01.560 life can begin in any environment whether or not there are other living organisms in that environment 25:01.560 --> 25:08.180 absolutely and I actually got to witness it firsthand so I at the conference the 25:08.180 --> 25:13.600 terrainology conference I met up with Topher Gardner and I learned about biochar and I 25:13.600 --> 25:18.000 took it upon myself because again now I'm just obsessed with my microscope I took it upon 25:18.000 --> 25:23.940 myself to make some biochar and to look at biochar under the microscope so for again anybody who 25:23.940 --> 25:30.000 doesn't know biochar is biological charcoal you're basically burning leaves and branches and wood 25:30.000 --> 25:34.680 and you're burning it not to ash but you're burning it to a stage where it's still black 25:34.680 --> 25:40.400 it's basically charcoals it's right and this is done in what they call a non-pyrolytic 25:40.400 --> 25:46.640 burn which is a very low or zero oxygen right so it's so it's different than charcoal 25:46.640 --> 25:53.420 in other words which is made in an oxygen-rich environment correct so I looked at it under 25:53.420 --> 26:00.940 and before I all I did was add so we burned leaves a bunch of leaves we burned leaves and then we 26:00.940 --> 26:07.180 added distilled water to cool it off so that it wouldn't get to ash and then I took a little bit 26:07.180 --> 26:13.480 of it I kind of grind grounded down a little bit put it on a slide put a little more distilled 26:13.480 --> 26:19.460 water on it looked underneath and you see these spectacular little sparkly pieces of charcoal or 26:19.460 --> 26:25.460 sparkly pieces of dry material and then you're seeing almost as if you're seeing little micro 26:25.460 --> 26:30.380 diamonds all around you're seeing the microsimus in the back it's not a lot but they're there 26:31.000 --> 26:36.540 so even under those exit conditions the microsimus are still there 26:37.640 --> 26:45.380 and and that's kind of the point is to for them to turn into bacteria in the soil to help deliver 26:45.380 --> 26:53.140 the nutrients the minerals to the plants right correct and they're sort of a matrix for the 26:53.140 --> 27:00.260 microbial growth exactly well this is you know really fantastic that you were able to to do that 27:00.260 --> 27:07.980 and witness that what kind of equipment do you need to see these microsimus so a good solid 27:08.620 --> 27:14.720 very you know light compound microscope you want to have objectives of 1020 40 and you want to have a 27:14.720 --> 27:22.040 dark field oil condenser because you the regular dark field condenser won't give you a real crisp 27:22.040 --> 27:27.140 clear background so we're not looking at the foreground and all the big stuff like the red 27:27.140 --> 27:31.580 blood cells I mean you are looking at it but it's not like the highlight you're looking at the background 27:31.580 --> 27:36.540 you're looking at you know the black screen behind and all the sparkly things that are in the black 27:36.540 --> 27:41.720 screen behind the so that's what the dark field does it a light compound brings the light 27:41.720 --> 27:48.340 to and lights the background so when you're looking at an image of a regular light microscope 27:48.340 --> 27:54.320 image the background is usually whitish white or like a very very light gray if you're looking 27:54.320 --> 27:59.180 at a darker gray you're looking at phase contrast which again you still can't see them as well you 27:59.180 --> 28:05.500 can almost see them at all and then dark field actually uses kind of like refraction where it's 28:05.500 --> 28:12.860 lighting the objects in the image not the background and the background's black so you can see them 28:12.860 --> 28:19.200 very well in a dark field in a light microscope with a dark field condenser 28:20.120 --> 28:27.120 and one of the you know reasons why the mainstream does not acknowledge these is because they don't 28:27.120 --> 28:33.840 use that type of microscopy is that correct correct correct and I mean they also don't look at living 28:33.840 --> 28:40.870 specimens right because yes absolutely no I don't know if you you know if you have an h&e 28:41.550 --> 28:49.130 blood smear can can you see them in in a dark field you can I mean it depends so I did another 28:49.130 --> 28:54.870 experiment with methylene blue now everybody's using it as like a you know a thing and methylene 28:54.870 --> 28:59.910 blue for again people that don't know was actually used as a stain so it was used as a stain 29:00.550 --> 29:07.330 in microscopy and so I did an experiment to see okay what what would happen if I did you know 29:07.330 --> 29:14.290 took a blood smear and I put a micro dot I literally put a micro dot of diluted diluted 29:14.970 --> 29:25.270 0.1% methylene blue with my with a drop of my blood and I let it basically I put the cover slip on and 29:25.270 --> 29:31.450 I put a syringe micro dot of it I don't even I can't even quantify how much I put it was just 29:31.450 --> 29:37.830 a little and I let it kind of slowly slip into the slide the under the cover slip 29:38.550 --> 29:46.150 and I watched it on on camera and as it started coming in it started staining my red blood 29:46.150 --> 29:55.950 because when you see on dark field red blood cells aren't really red they're like yeah you 29:55.950 --> 30:03.210 just see the outline really yeah blowing a little bit so I had to look at it in both avenues but what 30:03.210 --> 30:10.750 was really interesting is with the dark field it actually started creating more of a refraction of 30:10.750 --> 30:19.810 color so it started to stain my my sample my blood blue and created almost like a blue reddish pink 30:20.690 --> 30:29.590 and while it was doing that it was lysing all my red blood cells and fixing them basically drying them 30:29.590 --> 30:38.690 to the to the slide and all the activity that was there started to to literally almost like dry up 30:38.690 --> 30:47.470 and just kind of fixed to the slide itself so I mean can you do it with a stain you might get 30:47.470 --> 30:52.350 a little activity but I don't think you're going to get too too much activity because again you're 30:52.350 --> 30:59.770 changing the environment of the blood or your smear or your whatever sample you have on the 30:59.770 --> 31:06.590 slide and the micros microsimus have to adjust according to it well that's very interesting 31:06.590 --> 31:15.410 so just to clarify you said that basically all the red blood cells were killed by the 31:15.410 --> 31:22.090 takes methylene blue to know what it does to red blood yeah yeah it's it basically the idea is it's 31:22.090 --> 31:27.510 suppressing movement it's suppressing action it's suppressing activity so what I was witnessing 31:27.510 --> 31:33.390 was basically you're seeing these beautiful colors and but you're seeing cell death so a lot of 31:33.390 --> 31:37.170 people who are experiencing not to digress but a lot of people who take methylene blue and 31:37.170 --> 31:43.410 experience euphoria or experience some sort of relief but it's basically just suppressing 31:43.410 --> 31:48.130 the activity of the symptom that you're feeling and it's not really healing you in any way 31:49.010 --> 31:54.250 all right well that that's very helpful and if you guys want to learn more about methylene blue 31:54.250 --> 32:01.970 I have a video in this series on that topic especially yes um well this is uh you know 32:02.670 --> 32:09.970 such an interesting topic Marcel I just I want to know more um you know about it so how 32:09.970 --> 32:18.770 what have you been able to learn about like the physical properties of the microzyma like 32:18.770 --> 32:26.310 I know that nasons for example was able to isolate and purify them and do a variety of experiments 32:27.110 --> 32:32.730 that I you know I want to be able to get to that point it's a little difficult because I don't 32:32.730 --> 32:38.130 have a lab I don't have a nice big you know all and I want several microscopes to kind of 32:38.130 --> 32:42.330 jump from different things and do different things so right now I'm just working on one microscope in 32:42.330 --> 32:50.130 a small office um but what I have seen for my own is I've actually witnessed pleomorphism I actually 32:50.130 --> 32:56.190 witnessed the changes that happen as the blood dies on the slide because many people forget 32:56.190 --> 33:00.650 that once blood is taken out of the body it starts to become something different it's not 33:00.650 --> 33:05.190 in your body anymore it's not you know getting the nourishment of being in the body so we're 33:05.190 --> 33:11.930 witnessing something different we're witnessing decay destruction decomposition in that I get to 33:11.930 --> 33:19.030 witness the how the microzymas react as the decomposition happens so I was able to witness 33:19.030 --> 33:25.250 you know different changes in the in the plasma I was able to witness changes within the cells 33:25.250 --> 33:31.490 themselves I was actually in some instances I actually get to see the microzymas go into 33:31.490 --> 33:37.230 the red blood cells and change the red blood cells orientation and shape and form so it's very 33:37.230 --> 33:43.570 interesting to see the dynamic of what what they do whether it be in the plasma or in the cell 33:43.570 --> 33:51.890 or even you know when it's with platelets or white blood cells so really what what we're 33:51.890 --> 33:59.730 saying here in part is that all of the bacteria or at least a large portion of the bacteria 33:59.730 --> 34:06.110 that live in our body actually already come from inside of us correct they're not from the external 34:06.110 --> 34:11.090 environment and and you know it's it's pretty well known that when human bodies decompose for 34:11.090 --> 34:18.470 example right the the bacteria and other microbes that decompose the body come from inside 34:19.390 --> 34:26.070 right not from the external environment correct so of course this directly speaks to germ 34:26.070 --> 34:32.230 theory at least with respect to bacteria and fungal you know so-called diseases because 34:33.150 --> 34:39.970 you know if these organisms are already in our body you know how could they be the cause of 34:39.970 --> 34:46.430 of a disease right and also how could how could it be you know contagious right because we all 34:46.430 --> 34:51.890 have them in our body that's right that's right and it's it's very telling because of the 34:51.890 --> 34:57.410 once you understand that once you understand that microzymas will change with the environmental 34:57.410 --> 35:02.250 change of the body microzymas change with the environmental change outside of your body 35:02.250 --> 35:08.250 they're just responding and adapting to whatever is going on and another scientist royal rife 35:08.250 --> 35:13.130 also created a microscope just like Gaston and he was able to witness all the different changes 35:13.130 --> 35:18.390 as well all the pleomorphic cycle although he said based on his microscopic understanding 35:18.390 --> 35:25.110 that with minute changes of pH minute changes of salinity minute changes of temperature and 35:25.670 --> 35:33.610 even minute changes of sunlight you have billions if not more forms that can can occur 35:33.610 --> 35:40.590 based on all those different variable changes so if we already understand that then we understand 35:41.310 --> 35:45.990 if you eat a certain food if you think a certain way if you do a certain activity 35:45.990 --> 35:51.690 if you have certain processes happening natural processes right a woman goes through men's ease 35:51.690 --> 35:57.210 immense testosterone may drop all these changes will change the forms inside of you 35:59.250 --> 36:06.230 and you know can we interpret that as that they are essentially adapting to the needs of the body 36:06.790 --> 36:13.790 correct because they work synergistically with it absolutely and you know this can result 36:13.790 --> 36:20.290 right in that that they can facilitate you know healing as well as facilitate death 36:20.990 --> 36:25.470 absolutely well they are seprophetic right we know the seprophetic means to break down 36:25.470 --> 36:31.750 dead tissue so you need to make space like the one thing that always clicked with me and 36:31.750 --> 36:38.030 understanding how microorganisms work is osteoblasts and osteoclasts right we learned that 36:38.030 --> 36:45.870 in med school right so that blast build class break down so if you're in order to build bone 36:46.730 --> 36:53.970 how do we build bone if we have disrupted or decayed or diseased bone we have no space for it 36:53.970 --> 37:00.810 it's like trying to build a skyscraper where there's already a skyscraper standing you can't 37:00.810 --> 37:06.070 you got to break it down first to make the space to build up the new building right or 37:06.070 --> 37:11.610 if you have a leak in your roof and you want to repair it right first you have to remove the 37:11.610 --> 37:17.910 material that's water damaged and rotted and then replace it with new material right absolutely and 37:17.910 --> 37:24.930 so microorganisms are doing that when you have diseased tissue about based on toxic exposure 37:24.930 --> 37:30.590 or malnutrition or your trauma right you have a huge sprake or a cut on your skin 37:31.230 --> 37:38.310 that inflammation process is the body and them working together to to remove that tissue 37:38.310 --> 37:43.830 so that it can make space for new tissue to be built there the problem with medicine is that 37:43.830 --> 37:48.430 they looks at inflammation that has taught us that inflammation again this is I remember this 37:48.430 --> 37:54.110 distinctly in both naturopathic school and medical school inflammation was bad we've got to stop 37:54.110 --> 37:58.470 inflammation that swelling that heat that you get on your ankle when you sprained it is 37:58.470 --> 38:04.990 important it creates blood flow it creates limb flow it's moving the junk out right it's like you 38:04.990 --> 38:10.610 know again that skyscraper they broke down the skyscraper you need now a congestion of construction 38:10.610 --> 38:16.150 workers and you need it you know you have to close off the roads from normal you know normal 38:16.150 --> 38:21.310 activity and you have to have all these people workers breaking down the material and bringing 38:21.310 --> 38:27.610 it to the dumps and so a lot of the times inflammation is like a bad word I mean even 38:27.610 --> 38:34.290 to the state alternative or complementary medicine is oh you need this this food is an anti-inflammatory 38:34.290 --> 38:39.850 food or this is an anti-inflammatory what are you doing man you don't want to do that 38:40.770 --> 38:48.610 I think I think we have the same pet peeves about mainstream medicine for us you know I've 38:48.610 --> 38:54.550 definitely talked about this and even the mainstream acknowledges in the research literature that 38:54.550 --> 39:01.870 inflammation is a healing process and a natural process right and then you can see a lot of you 39:01.870 --> 39:07.050 know alternative health influencers saying that inflammation is actually the real cause 39:07.600 --> 39:14.310 of the disease but how could a natural physiologic process be you know the cause of a disease it 39:14.310 --> 39:19.590 doesn't really make sense and and what what's really going on in my opinion and maybe this is 39:19.590 --> 39:28.030 you know a segue into homotoxicology is that the healing pathways are blocked in many people because 39:28.030 --> 39:36.450 of probably chronic toxicity maybe surgical scars injuries emotional trauma and the inflammation 39:36.450 --> 39:43.270 cannot accomplish its task because of the blockages right and then we get chronic inflammation and 39:43.270 --> 39:50.930 instead of realizing that it's it's being blocked we blame the inflammation instead right exactly and 39:50.930 --> 39:55.350 even when it's chronic inflammation that doesn't mean we want to stop it because that's basically 39:55.350 --> 40:01.350 holding the fork it's holding holding together something that has is very weak and disrupted 40:01.350 --> 40:05.330 it's kind of like you know when you take a cox two inhibitor right you take I have knee pain 40:05.330 --> 40:09.130 so I'm going to run the marathon I love that commercial that was my favorite commercial 40:09.130 --> 40:13.450 like I think it was the leave commercial where it's like oh I want to still go with the marathon so 40:13.450 --> 40:17.730 I'm going to take a leave so I can keep going because of my knees and it's like no your knees 40:17.730 --> 40:21.790 are telling you not to run the marathon because now you're not going to feel the pain and you're 40:21.790 --> 40:26.270 going to keep going and now you have complete destruction of your cartilage so it's kind 40:26.270 --> 40:31.410 of like if they were repairing a bridge and you know they laid down some of the structural 40:31.410 --> 40:37.650 elements and then the workers went on strike because the city refused to pay right and that 40:37.650 --> 40:43.990 would be like the anti-inflammatory drug and then people go across the bridge anyway 40:46.090 --> 40:51.150 their car is going to go right into the water right and absolutely and they'll keep going like nobody 40:51.150 --> 40:59.590 just always paying attention to the first guy they just keep going so what so can you talk a 40:59.590 --> 41:04.250 little bit about homotoxicology and the evolution right of the different 41:05.050 --> 41:11.710 organisms from the microzyma and then how do the blockages occur and relate to the 41:11.710 --> 41:17.170 you know progression through the different disease conditions sure sure sure so rec wig 41:17.170 --> 41:21.590 is the one that designed if you look up homotoxicology and Rick Woods 41:21.590 --> 41:26.690 Rick Woods chart of homotoxicology which is a really nice chart that tells you the 41:26.690 --> 41:33.350 different stages and levels of elimination right so the easiest understanding of elimination 41:33.350 --> 41:37.690 would be like sneezing right some things you know something bothered you it could be in the air 41:37.690 --> 41:43.130 or it could be something that you even ate like I I witnessed my sister sneeze through literally 15 41:43.130 --> 41:49.790 minutes after she's had some white sugar like she sneezes so it's I've experienced this myself 41:49.790 --> 41:54.970 from from pizza cheese oh there you go pasteurized cheese with the oh that's the trifecta of 41:54.970 --> 42:00.750 wonderful like the wheat the oil the cheese absolutely perfect so yeah you you have a 42:00.750 --> 42:08.270 response of I need to get this out and so that is the you know the body telling you the symptoms 42:08.270 --> 42:15.790 are always the signs of this is what's happening I'm letting you know and as you go further and 42:15.790 --> 42:22.490 further and the only way you go further and further towards deeper stronger eliminatory 42:22.490 --> 42:29.150 patterns is because either the simple symptoms or the simple patterns are suppressed right 42:29.150 --> 42:34.490 so you you keep sneezing but you you don't know it's the pizza so this time you take claretine 42:34.490 --> 42:40.030 or you take some you know no spray that stops you from sneezing so much so the next step would be 42:40.030 --> 42:47.010 like inflamed you know turbinates like inflamed sinuses right from the sinusitis right exactly 42:47.010 --> 42:52.270 so you're like oh you know and you continue to not realize that it's the pizza so you're 42:52.270 --> 42:57.630 like oh I have a sinus infection this that any other again that's the heightened step right 42:57.630 --> 43:02.410 so the body's going I need to still eliminate this but you're not paying attention so I'm going to 43:02.410 --> 43:11.450 increase blood flow increase mucus flow increase the surface area of the area that's inflamed right 43:12.220 --> 43:17.930 to try to eliminate out whatever it is I'm trying to eliminate obviously when you take a swab you're 43:17.930 --> 43:21.850 going to see bacteria or you're going to see fungus because that's an indication that those 43:21.850 --> 43:28.470 microorganisms are trying to help because the initial stages of sneezing was ignored so now the 43:28.470 --> 43:36.050 body needs you know all hands on deck to try to get what's going on out now you have your sinusitis 43:36.560 --> 43:42.770 you either take more medicines or you take antibiotics or you know even certain 43:42.770 --> 43:47.930 herbs can be suppressive because again it's all about understanding what you need what your 43:47.930 --> 43:54.990 body needs to do and support that not go against it so you take more suppressive medicines and it 43:54.990 --> 44:01.550 embeds deeper and deeper into your body and so now the alimentary processes are being suppressed 44:01.550 --> 44:06.730 and the body goes okay we can't get it out this way so maybe we can get it out through the lungs 44:06.730 --> 44:11.910 and breathing so then you have bronchitis or mucus in your lungs or thong things like that or 44:11.910 --> 44:18.190 you have some sort of mucus build up in your gut and now you're having you know constipation 44:18.190 --> 44:23.750 diarrhea things like that you you have breakouts of rashes on your skin because the body's trying 44:23.750 --> 44:29.870 to get it out some way and skin is a huge detoxifying organ so it gets deeper and deeper and deeper 44:29.870 --> 44:35.810 until you get to a point where there's like a delineation between the body trying to get it 44:35.810 --> 44:42.370 out to now it's so much and so overwhelmed it's going to start storing it in tissues because it 44:42.370 --> 44:49.310 just can't with all the stressors we have in our world it's kind of going uh well you breathe in 44:49.310 --> 44:54.630 chemicals you eat chemicals you're not defecating enough you don't drink enough clean fresh water 44:54.630 --> 44:59.530 you're not getting sunlight you're not getting fresh air i can't handle this toxin that's already 44:59.530 --> 45:05.710 here so i'm going to store it in some tissue and basically surround it with like a biofilm 45:05.710 --> 45:13.130 or surround it with extracellular um creations which are you know neoplastic or dysplastic 45:13.130 --> 45:19.350 because i need to protect myself so this is where you go from a sneeze to potentially producing 45:19.350 --> 45:26.170 tumorous or or tumorous growths or masses in places so you know we can see here that 45:26.670 --> 45:32.110 many of the pharmaceuticals are actually designed to contribute to this process now maybe unknowingly 45:32.110 --> 45:37.950 right because what the way that they're evaluated is by reduction or improvement in the symptoms 45:38.530 --> 45:44.590 which is the symptoms are related to a body's actual healing process right and we're turning 45:44.590 --> 45:48.690 those off with these pharmaceuticals and it occurred to me while you were talking that 45:48.690 --> 45:55.830 it's all of the over the counter drugs that start this process right because what you have a cold 45:55.830 --> 46:03.110 so you take an antihistamine to suppress sneezing and runny nose and dry dry you out right you you 46:03.110 --> 46:10.710 take a decongestant to reverse the vasodilatation from bringing extra blood for healing right you 46:10.710 --> 46:17.610 have diarrhea or nausea you you take lomodal or you know some over the counter opioid 46:18.650 --> 46:24.810 to shut down your bowel elimination and all those things force the problem deeper into 46:24.810 --> 46:31.350 the body even though you may get short-term relief right and and eventually if you keep 46:31.350 --> 46:37.790 suppressing it because even when it turns into a chronic process you know like COPD or rheumatoid 46:37.790 --> 46:44.230 arthritis or angina or whatever it's going to be what do you do you still go and get more 46:44.230 --> 46:50.050 suppressive drugs you know get steroids you know things like that that counteract 46:50.050 --> 46:55.950 the body's attempt to restore homeostasis or you go natural and you do the same thing you get a 46:55.950 --> 47:02.010 homeopathic remedy that stops it you get an herb that stops it without actually understanding why 47:02.010 --> 47:08.950 your body is doing it so you know the natural world isn't without its own faults in terms of 47:08.950 --> 47:14.070 that because people can walk into a health food store and go oh sinus infection here's the 47:14.070 --> 47:20.130 homeopathic remedy for it so what Maricel what are some specific remedies that will actually 47:20.130 --> 47:29.850 suppress the these healing mechanisms so again it's it's a matter of understanding that you want 47:29.850 --> 47:35.850 to work with the body and the problem is is that a lot of the times people fear the symptom 47:35.850 --> 47:40.910 right so if you have diarrhea for a couple of days what what is your first human thought 47:41.630 --> 47:48.970 I can't have diarrhea forever right so that's a human response I totally get it 47:48.970 --> 47:54.630 diarrhea is very annoying believe me I had one time I it was like 30 times I went to the bathroom I 47:54.630 --> 47:59.250 totally get it believe me but at the same time you have to understand what is it that the body 47:59.250 --> 48:05.530 is trying to get rid of and if is this substance really really toxic and do I want to have it 48:05.530 --> 48:12.930 in there maybe it takes a couple days for it to come out so remedies that support the body's 48:12.930 --> 48:20.630 emphasis of elimination but in a more efficient way right so I want I don't want diarrhea per se 48:20.630 --> 48:27.770 but I want to continue to eliminate so let me propose what I might suggest in that situation 48:27.770 --> 48:32.690 and you tell me does this support the body's function so uh so let's say diarrhea is the 48:32.690 --> 48:39.150 main presentation so uh first I would think of increased hydration because you're losing more water 48:39.150 --> 48:46.090 and the body can't continue to mount diarrhea without having enough fluids correct and then the second 48:46.090 --> 48:52.710 thing I would think of might be something like charcoal which can help absorb some of the 48:52.710 --> 48:58.170 toxins that are already in the colon to support what the body's trying to do with the diarrhea 48:58.170 --> 49:05.290 okay so don't forget don't forget perfect don't forget you need minerals too because you're not 49:05.290 --> 49:10.690 just looting water you're losing a ton of minerals as you're defecating as well you're defecating 49:10.690 --> 49:17.310 and urinating so you want minerals as well um I always have people it's a really really good 49:17.310 --> 49:23.670 mixture it's kind of like the old-fashioned Gatorade I have people add um a salt a good clean 49:23.670 --> 49:28.770 sea salt um I add a little bit of raw honey and I add a little bit of squeeze a lemon 49:29.510 --> 49:34.630 and you drink that when you have diarrhea you keep drinking that and that will resupply you 49:34.630 --> 49:39.950 resupply and as long as you're urinating you're hydrated well that's interesting so I think my 49:39.950 --> 49:49.150 version of that would probably be uh water with um molasses and uh and chelagine perfect 49:49.150 --> 49:53.730 perfect combination so you're you're basically getting the same thing you know some people do 49:53.730 --> 50:00.030 oranges some people do lemons um some people do the the chelagine some people do you know 50:00.030 --> 50:07.110 Celtic sea salt or you know different variations of salts the idea is you want to have a you want 50:07.110 --> 50:13.370 to refurbish the body with what it's losing so that it can continue doing what it needs to do 50:13.370 --> 50:19.850 but if you add that charcoal the likelihood of expediting the problem will be enhanced right 50:19.850 --> 50:26.170 you want to make it more efficient right then here's the other deal is are you adding insult so that's 50:26.170 --> 50:34.150 that's a one avenue um somewhat in context you know understanding but we have to also understand 50:34.150 --> 50:41.570 a lot of times people continue to eat aggravating foods while they're having diarrhea they're 50:41.570 --> 50:48.650 drinking aggravating things why they have diarrhea they're doing stressful activities 50:49.170 --> 50:56.090 while they're having diarrhea so we have to understand also that we're in we incite more 50:56.090 --> 51:01.570 stress on the body when the body's detoxing so we have to kind of step back and go 51:01.570 --> 51:08.210 this activity is happening let me uh for lack of better words create you know space for that 51:08.210 --> 51:15.910 you know uh create time and convalesce for that and keep the energy reserves for that activity 51:15.910 --> 51:21.770 so it would probably be a good time for fasting or a liquid diet at least while the diarrhea was 51:21.770 --> 51:28.410 active absolutely absolutely so i think we could all see that if you are aware of these 51:28.410 --> 51:34.410 principles um you you can almost figure out what to what's the best thing to do for your body 51:35.090 --> 51:42.430 in these situations the emphasis on understanding microzymas is that it's working with your body 51:42.430 --> 51:50.530 which means what should you do work with your body as well it's it's a it's a really huge sign of it 51:50.530 --> 51:56.850 and unfortunately again we have the conventional you know health ideology which is based on the 51:56.850 --> 52:03.410 germ theory that is always well if this is occurring we need to kind of stop it if this 52:03.410 --> 52:09.430 is you know if this has been happening a long time we need to kind of calm it down no we need 52:09.430 --> 52:14.270 to listen and understand it and interpret it and i think a lot of times i think that's the one thing 52:14.270 --> 52:21.770 that the big lesson i learned is when i understood you know when someone came up with strep in their 52:21.770 --> 52:28.910 throat it was a marker and it was an i learned to interpret it like almost like a rosetta stone 52:28.910 --> 52:34.650 kind of thing like i understood that strep was there because it was doing a job so what do i need to do 52:34.650 --> 52:43.790 to help the body so that the strep can pliomorph back into its more you know smaller maintenance 52:43.790 --> 52:50.570 form and what what would that be it would be supporting the tissue right so strep you know 52:50.570 --> 52:55.450 for people that don't know strep is a bacteria that likes to be in the presence of blood 52:55.450 --> 52:59.450 right so if you if you work in the lab you understand that to grow strep 52:59.450 --> 53:05.890 you're using a petri dish that has blood in it so if strep is showing up that means that the tissue 53:05.890 --> 53:12.410 is actually breaking down and even maybe have micro bleeds which means if the tissue is broken 53:12.410 --> 53:18.050 down and have micro bleeds we need things to help repair the mucosa of the throat of that tissue 53:18.050 --> 53:24.090 we need things to help repair the elasticity and the tissue itself from being wounded 53:24.650 --> 53:30.070 don't you so it's something like bone broth that would be a bone absolutely bone broth a 53:30.070 --> 53:37.570 marshmallow root again even fasting sometimes or you know for some people even going like one day 53:37.570 --> 53:43.010 without speaking which i don't i don't know how to do that but just sometimes one day without 53:43.010 --> 53:50.910 speaking you know to you have to do a v-posino retreat exactly so you know just it understanding 53:50.910 --> 53:55.590 you know because we didn't get into the pleomorphic cycle but understanding that you are 53:56.110 --> 54:03.390 trying to bring it back to the simple forms of the microzyma and that all anytime you see an 54:03.390 --> 54:07.970 organism on your body it's not to fight them it's to understand that they're telling you 54:07.970 --> 54:12.530 something they are the rosetta of some sort of degradation some sort of decomposition 54:12.530 --> 54:21.690 addition some sort of trauma toxin something that needs help and they are the help and of course we 54:21.690 --> 54:27.590 can deduce uh something about the nature of the problem from observing and learning about 54:27.590 --> 54:34.610 you know the particular species that we see at the site of disease right exactly so if you see on 54:34.610 --> 54:41.830 your skin staff versus you see candida on your skin or yeast on your skin those there's a 54:41.830 --> 54:47.850 different issue although it's still the skin obviously needs help from the outside from the inside 54:48.460 --> 54:54.050 but the form that's there that's showing up tells us a story and it tells us a story of 54:54.050 --> 55:00.530 what's going on with the balance of that area of that particular organ as well as the balance of 55:00.530 --> 55:07.270 the body itself and are there forms that indicate a more advanced or serious health concern 55:07.970 --> 55:13.770 yeah so on the pleomorphic cycle we start off with the microzymas we go to bacteria 55:14.590 --> 55:22.250 then as the terrain starts to become more acidic um more degraded you're looking at then you're 55:22.250 --> 55:26.770 going into mycobacterium and then you're going to fungal form and then fungal form to yeast 55:26.770 --> 55:33.490 form so yeast is usually indication that the tissue is very much uh lacking oxygen lacking 55:33.490 --> 55:42.130 blood flow lacking nourishment and what about um anaerobic forms of bacteria like i was curious 55:42.130 --> 55:47.750 with your experiment uh watching the uh tissue break down under the microscope did you did you 55:47.750 --> 55:56.110 see anaerobic forms um there were yeah there were some it every tissue it's very interesting 55:56.110 --> 56:02.230 when you watch every person's tissue degrade uh in the microscope they don't degrade the same 56:02.230 --> 56:08.130 way so sometimes you get anaerobic forms and sometimes you don't you just literally see it 56:09.050 --> 56:15.550 you know oxygen you know bacteria that like oxygen and then all you see is dry like fixed 56:15.550 --> 56:23.930 done dry um it's very interesting that every every person has a unique uh death pattern if you will 56:25.690 --> 56:32.290 so if someone is you know having like uh recurrent yeast infections for example 56:33.130 --> 56:40.270 um which you know is not a problem caused by the yeast would would you suspect that there is a 56:40.270 --> 56:46.630 more advanced issue going on internally yes absolutely whether it's yeast uh in the 56:46.630 --> 56:52.150 gut or you see actually in the mouth um you know or in you know the vaginal well I was 56:52.150 --> 56:58.190 yeah I was talking about in the vaginal right so you're looking at so you can see the thrush uh as 56:58.190 --> 57:07.630 well so the yeast is an indication yeast is a very a very strong sacrifice um and so that means that 57:07.630 --> 57:13.790 the tissue itself is not getting again the blood the oxygen the nourishment it needs it may have 57:13.790 --> 57:22.590 trauma to it so you're having a lot of cellular breakdown um and a lot of times we we you know a 57:22.590 --> 57:29.710 lot of times where the where you find yeast on the body is places where there's there's not a lot 57:29.710 --> 57:36.270 of air circulation there's not a lot of sunlight there's not a lot of blood circulation you know 57:36.270 --> 57:43.450 we're either sitting on those areas or those areas are bent or covered you know or body cavity 57:44.110 --> 57:49.970 right exactly so you you know we have to take the time to make sure that you know you're not always 57:49.970 --> 57:55.270 sitting your feet are not always cramped in a sweaty cotton sock and a shoe you know or you 57:55.270 --> 57:59.830 know like even runners runners get yeast on their toes why because you're getting the trauma 57:59.830 --> 58:04.510 of running and slamming those toes now that the shoes are much better but back in the day 58:04.510 --> 58:09.870 you know you had these tight tight sneakers that you know eventually I would have I would 58:09.870 --> 58:14.150 have patients that their toes were like during running their toes would start to get numb and 58:14.150 --> 58:18.190 they were like oh that's normal and it's like no that's not normal so it's it we have to take 58:18.190 --> 58:23.010 into account that our our body needs circulation our body needs flow and when there's a lack of 58:23.010 --> 58:30.430 that over the course of time continuously you're going to have organisms that show up that 58:30.430 --> 58:39.250 are going to be doing their job with great perseverance well fantastic you know it's this 58:39.250 --> 58:46.450 has been a really interesting discussion because we can now you know have a whole new perspective 58:46.450 --> 58:53.910 and I think a lot of people have talked about you know terrain theory and exalted as kind of a 58:53.910 --> 59:01.190 magical notion a little bit and think you know but I'm not sure exactly what people mean when they 59:01.190 --> 59:09.150 say that and but what we're talking about here really with you know the combination of pleomorphic 59:09.150 --> 59:17.650 theory and homotoxicology is we have you know a solid testable model that we can put forth 59:17.650 --> 59:24.970 right to explain disease and it provides you know rich diagnostic observations that help us 59:24.970 --> 59:32.090 assess the problem and it provides you know a clear rationale of how to help your body 59:32.750 --> 59:38.990 heal and restore health you know if if it's possible because you know the the death rate is 100 59:38.990 --> 59:46.510 percent so we can't avoid that and sometimes you know from a clinical point of view is just 59:46.510 --> 59:53.330 accepting that you know that that it's your time but for for most folks in most conditions 59:54.270 --> 01:00:03.470 if you can get out of the way right stop putting more poison in the body at least whatever the 01:00:03.470 --> 01:00:09.750 poisons are that you know about or you can know about right and support the body's healing 01:00:09.750 --> 01:00:19.270 mechanisms and not you know blame things that aren't the cause like the germs we can really have 01:00:19.850 --> 01:00:27.730 amazing health absolutely absolutely well said and you know I look at I look at I have you know 01:00:28.450 --> 01:00:32.930 microbiology books old ones I don't know even know why I keep them but I have them and then you 01:00:32.930 --> 01:00:37.830 know the diagnostic books and and textbooks and things like that that we get from school 01:00:37.830 --> 01:00:45.230 and I one day I will take it upon myself to rewrite it because if again like you said if we 01:00:45.230 --> 01:00:54.230 can look at organisms as indicators as markers to help guide us as to how to help a person 01:00:54.790 --> 01:01:03.230 healthcare would be extremely different yeah far easier less expensive and way more successful 01:01:03.230 --> 01:01:10.530 yeah exactly Marisol thank you so much for educating us on these important and wondrous 01:01:10.530 --> 01:01:18.030 topics today how can people you know get your book how can they work with you or find out more 01:01:18.030 --> 01:01:24.010 about what you're doing my book can be found on amazon you can also find it on bookshop 01:01:24.010 --> 01:01:33.850 and thrift books I think thank you um and you can also if you want to have multiple copies we have 01:01:33.850 --> 01:01:38.990 a website germs are not our enemy dot com so if you want to get you know more than one you can 01:01:38.990 --> 01:01:44.450 probably get a discount in terms of like bulk order like this would be good for a homeschool 01:01:44.450 --> 01:01:51.130 co-op for example absolutely because this book can definitely be read by high school students 01:01:51.810 --> 01:01:58.510 yeah absolutely I try to my editor said to tone down a lot of the uh sciencey stuff so I had to 01:01:58.510 --> 01:02:04.430 bring it down so I wanted it to be so that people can be you know it could be the door that opens 01:02:04.430 --> 01:02:09.270 them to the world listen you you really did a great job with that because you know of course 01:02:09.270 --> 01:02:17.110 when I read it I was craving a more advanced um uh text but I saw like the you you really 01:02:17.110 --> 01:02:23.890 took the time to not take the reader's knowledge for granted and to spell out the the introductory 01:02:23.890 --> 01:02:31.630 and background concepts very clearly so this it would be a really good book for a you know a real 01:02:31.630 --> 01:02:37.530 biology curriculum fantastic thank you um but yeah I hope to have a more more extended 01:02:37.530 --> 01:02:42.590 professional unabridged version so that that should that should come out you know I shouldn't 01:02:42.590 --> 01:02:47.170 say soon but that will come out but yeah you can find me on terraindoctor.com you can also 01:02:47.170 --> 01:02:51.890 find me on substack I'm always writing articles to reinforce you know what you learn in the book 01:02:51.890 --> 01:02:58.650 and um I'm kind of on Instagram so sort of there not really there all that often I should be but 01:02:58.650 --> 01:03:05.090 I'm not but substack you find me Dr. Maricel and then terraindoctor.com well fantastic I 01:03:05.090 --> 01:03:11.230 definitely encourage everyone to go and uh sign up for Dr. Arsé's uh substack and 01:03:11.230 --> 01:03:16.650 definitely read her book and um maybe we'll you know have a part two of this discussion 01:03:16.650 --> 01:03:22.990 and get into some more advanced topics down the road but uh until then I'll see everyone on the 01:03:22.990 --> 01:03:23.970 next True Health Report