Okay. So I just want to clarify in terms of date, July 18th, 2025, my full name, Leason
Welvolding, and Riley, do you want to state your name and any other names?
My name is William, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt. My name
is William Sasha Riley. I was born Manuel Sasha Barberos.
Okay. Well, my legal name is William Sasha Riley at this time. Okay, and I'm just so
we're clear I'm based in Victoria versus Columbia, Canada. I lived in the United
States full-time for a bunch of years, but I was brought up in Canada. My
citizenship's Canadian. We might be neighbors at some point because
Canada is right now number two on the list of the countries that I am
potentially going to move to. You know, I think it's a good place to look. There's a
lot of there's a lot of Americans actually. I've spoken to Americans that I've
said is I've told to come here and there's lots of Americans that have
come to visit more and it's a lot more embracing inclusive of a culture. So, you
know, it's quite lovely I recommend. In terms of what my approach really what
I wanted to do is like to just really like a thorough discussion. You tell me
everything that that you've been wanting to say and I'll ask some questions. This
might be one of like however many how many discussions and I'll record them if
it's one if it's 10 and what I'd like to do I'm sort of recording with an
eye to a your testimony getting your testimony of what you you experienced
what abuse you suffered and what you were witness to and an eye in terms of
being able to to get into a format in terms of affidavits whether we look at
getting help from the International Criminal Court because obviously what you
know you and I have discussed already there's definitely a whole whack of
crimes that that have been getting committed by a lot of folks and is
even a case where there could be crimes against humanity charges in regards to
Trump so and what else I'd like to do is is I'd like to look at whether whether you
would be okay with you know me like transcribing and then publishing
something I published newsletters selectively I have a newsletter called
outlaws of chivalry I punch published once in a while and I was looking at
perhaps publishing there if you're okay in terms of how it could help us in
terms of getting the right legal support in terms of the international
war court I am I am for whatever puts a light on this because in my mind the
powers that be are already and you know the more light that is shed on there I
don't think that I'm incurring more risk except for some maybe lunatic that
wants to be a soldier for Donald Trump because they are a little a little
crazy they're a little brainwashed but yeah I don't mind whatever would bring
if we can get some of this stuff verified you know and I know that
me speaking up is one thing but then the verification process yeah you know is
important too and I have recognition software that taps into the uh you
know it's not photography in my chain of command talked to me and they said
hey you know some of these images some of the films or whatever that he had
looked just like you and that was the first time I think I had ever talked
to anybody about having done those films and I told them yes when I was a child I
had to do those things yeah I let's talk a little bit more about that
circumstance like so you were in the army what years were you in the army then
um this would have been my second time in the army I rejoined in uh let's see
2002 yeah and I retired in 2016 I was in uh from 91 to 98 as well
so I did a little over 21 years but the time frame that uh they pulled me into the
office and discussed that would have been around uh 2008 2009 time frame it was
obviously was in garrison so it was between deployments yeah so around that time
is when they talked to me and yeah I can just remember
no way
to go about you know anything at that point you know I didn't know what I could do about it if
anything yeah so it was from when our our emails the um it was one of the fellow soldiers
that was caught with a bunch of child pornography and then your commanding officer pulled you
into the office to go through and said see you in the films I did not look at any of the
films all they said was hey we had to look at some of this stuff and one of those people
looks just like you and that's the first time that I had I think ever really spoken about it
and I said yes you know those are probably me but I did not personally see them um but
they just yeah can you talk about that a little bit here's what it was yeah
yeah they when they pulled me in I can remember first aren't bayless was kind of red faced and
he said have you ever made a movie with a black girl and I and you know that obviously was I mean
I'm not a movie star so obviously that's a very odd question and I knew exactly what he was talking
about when he said that so I said yes so he said okay well we have found some images that
are of a sexually explicit nature on another soldiers and I said well they are me so he said
and you look under age I think from that uh was part of their investigation to confirm that the
images of the uh the participants in these films were under age so
you know that was just a secondary verification that uh yeah I was only 12 or 13 at the time of that
film maybe maybe even 11 so I mean obviously I'm not an adult and even when I was an adult at
18 or 19 I still looked young so obviously at uh 11 12 of whatever I was in that film
I would not have looked like a uh a mature uh an adult you know which is were a court
marshal or if he just got uh UCMJ which is just their lower grade of uh punishment but I do know
that he was chaptered out of the military over at that point he might have called the soldier's
name they got caught with it I just knew he was uh an NCO a staff sergeant and was there any
did anyone else ever talk to you about the the films again did they ever talk to did they ever
infer that there was any further investigation in terms to when the films were produced did
they ask you anything about who is involved or did they no no uh they they didn't they didn't
go into any so when the military is a little bit different than than civilian uh you know I don't
want to call it the court system they have their you know sphere of influence they have their
little scope of operation and and if they uncover more I think that they're in uh required to
give it to the civilian authorities but they don't have any jurisdiction to go further than to
just prosecute the soldier for the infraction that he is guilty of if that makes sense the way I'm
saying it no I understand do they have any duty or any is there any legality or do they have legal
requirements to inform civilian prosecutors yes in such cases yes if if this one doing that
is outside of having this material that he's not supposed to have yeah uh they prosecute that portion
of it if it is beyond what they can prosecute then they refer the soldier to civilian court systems
but in this case the military did think all he got was like 30 days uh and and reduction of
rank that he wanted they kicked him out of the army gave him a less than honorable discharge I think I
don't think he even got a bad conduct for that but uh it you know I know that he was put out of the
military and I think he did the 30 days in jail I think is the most that they can give you at the
um at that at the level that they they on the jail time but I do know for a fact he was he was
put out of the military okay so they they they had filmed they had some of those films cable yes
cable that was his last name h-a-b-b-l I think Staff Sergeant Hable I just remembered it if I could
picture his face and I just couldn't remember his name cable okay h-a-b-e-l yes I'm relatively
certain on that name I I don't have the yeah but I am I'm fairly sure that his name okay
okay and in terms of the films they had so so there was obviously a collection of pornography
any is there anyone you're in contact with of those you're commanding officers that would they
talk to you would they provide evidence or is it a situation where Michael Michael Bayless is the
only one that I remember speaking to about it I have not spoken to him since I left for Carson in
2011 um I would think that he would probably remember if something like that just just the
unusualness of it you know first sergeants deal with things day in and day out but I would
I would think that he would remember that just because of how it's not every day that you have
to deal with something like that you know um yeah but it is possible I think my commanding officer's
name at that time was captain colisanto but I'm not sure because you get commanding officers come
and go you know the first sergeants they they tend to stick around longer but commanding officers
are a lot of times they're only there for a year or two and then they're off to the next thing
so okay my recollection of the commanding officer may not be accurate what's the the
spelling of his last name colisanto uh cola c o l a s a n t o okay saint cola yeah
okay is there anything else you think would be helpful to to talk about right now about then
the time frame that was the first time anyone had ever mentioned to you anything about the films
other than when you were involved in filming is that accurate yes okay yes the first time that I can
recall anybody that it ever coming up I always knew that they were um you know that the film
can tell you that that some of them are are extraordinarily horrible I can give you one
instance where they were filming us it was me and a girl that I knew was that the runaway
that was another girl I can't even remember her name yeah the the runaway was tortured to death
in a duplex and uh enterprise alabama my parents did that and we had that wasn't on film uh that
her being tortured but uh that was uh that was that black girl that I'm telling you about that
that later on uh michael balas had talked to me about but they went and got her vacation in
Tennessee and they were afraid that that they would go down for child pornography so they were
wanting to kill her and then they were wanting to get rid of me via an accident but they couldn't
because they had already tried to kill me several times they had the incident in Texas
involved in a Chevy van there was another incident in Texas where my dad threw me into the middle
of a pool and said sink or swim in Texas where they uh my dad threw me down a flight of stairs
and that one fractured my skull now there may have been other things that happened as well
but I remember those three were uh uh enough that they generated an investigation
there were enough things that happened in Texas that uh my dad moved from Texas to Tennessee
and then got in trouble in Tennessee and then moved they got in trouble in Tennessee and then
moved to Alabama got in trouble in Alabama and then we just moved one more time and you're
Alabama your adoptive dad William Kyle Riley correct yes yes I don't I have um
I have located my birth parents my birth mother lives in Sierra Vista and my birth father there
of them um I just within the last year probably six months I learned where they live
but as far as okay and your adopted dad William Kyle Riley worked as a pilot
and was involved yes integrated he was involved in all kinds of things yeah and it worked a lot
with Trump and Epstein correct he I I know that he was around Epstein and worked with Epstein
and I want to say that he flew for Epstein and if not for Epstein directly um like
transporting Epstein his company hosted it it wasn't just him it was kind of a cabal of
several people and Epstein was the I guess the lead coordinator maybe you would call it
but it it's much more than just him as an individual you know it was people like him
like Trump isn't just a uh like an airline pilot or something like that he he can fly anything
he can fly helicopters uh fixed wing you know he's that pilot that kind of that
multi-purpose guy that could transport whatever you need it okay so I don't yeah I don't know
if he ever got into the drugs I can remember him talking at one point and he had refused to do
a drug run basically and somebody else took that drug run and they got busted yeah so I don't
I don't know what kind of aircraft it was or whatever and it was a brown Florida that guy got
busted they maybe flew down to the virgin islands or something like that I can't remember
these specific details but I can remember the conversation that my dad had talking about
thank god I didn't take that and because the guy got busted and he wound up you know
huge amount of charges 25 to life or whatever the heck he got he was scared been involved in so much
other criminality that he was really nervous about taking on anything else and I do no I understand
I understand perfectly so your dad would obviously you know my understanding is your
your dad was the kind of pilot that those sort of criminals would want to use because they could
use them to fly any anything in any situation to airlift Trump out like you said when you almost
killed Trump when Trump was assaulting me or I don't think my dad was the pilot in that one
he wasn't the pilot in that case absolutely I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt no no that's okay
so yeah I've got you know I've spoken to folks that you know they look for those sorts of
pilots they want pilots that can get
guests of traffickers into situations in and out discreetly trafficking victims in and out of
situations discreetly and victims that they killed out of situations discreetly all sorts of
nonsense so seems like and and that's what that's what he did he he showed the people
but I can remember him yeah you know because in his mind if he got caught with some people
he could just play dumb and I was just transporting this guy's kid you know from the you know here to
there I didn't know anything so did your dad I go ahead I was did your dad transport the victims
most often oh absolutely so more victims than guests I don't want to call them I would say
more guests than than victims uh but he definitely transported both okay okay and that was either directly
for Epstein like transport wasn't transporting Epstein so much as Epstein's victims and Epstein's
guests and the client yes the clients but he was definitely around Epstein I can I can remember
the one time that I can remember meeting both of them and I I they kept asking
how to say uh Giff Lane's name because it was unusual and you know for whatever that was important
to her you know yeah and what's your mom's name again uh her name was Mary Lynn Riley this would
be my third mom because my my dad adopted me with a lady named Irene Ursula Liffke was her maiden name
her name is Pierre now but those two adopted me he married Lynn collection of Mary Lynn Riley's
involvement uh but she died via suicide a number of years ago uh okay now um what are you most comfortable
to talk about next I mean let me ask some more questions in terms of the now you told me about
Trump and about Biggs and about Jordan I feel like that's important to discuss some details
and let me ask you a question do you think it's more helpful for you to talk about what you remember
first when you were first trafficked the circumstances individuals involved or do you want to talk
about some of the incidents that that we spoke about a bit by email already what's what do you
think is helpful for you fill in whatever gaps in that that I can um I have spoken to you
about most of what I remember clearly but I can I can give you some of the details
with those three and that's why that's why I I am willing to talk about them you know there's no
detail for anybody other than those three I can remember Jim Jordan I went to there I mean it
was you could pin me then you could do whatever you wanted but my dad had taught me how to fight
he had been a like a bare knuckle brawler earlier in his life and they got anywhere near me I would
hit him and by the time that Jim Jordan assaulted me I was old enough that those adults not being
most of them not being athletic in any way you know these are these are people that you know
they're not fighters by any strategy but I didn't know how to wrestle so he assaulted me in
front of a crowd and I think that it was filmed but I can't swear that it was filmed but it was in
front of those 25 or 50 people um and how old that's why I remembered 12 when that happened and of those
25 50 people oops sorry go ahead the reason that I remember Jim Jordan is first he stood out
because he wasn't that much he's only like seven or eight years older than me so at the time frame
that I'm I'm at 12 he's right around just graduating high school maybe maybe first year or two of
college right so him being so much younger stood out and then I remembered his boy that he was running
for a thing like that and I remembered Jim Jordan just from watching him on yeah that's why I remember
him so clearly trying to kill him yeah because in my mind I thought uh well they're just gonna kill
me too at some point right uh you know I'm not going to survive to be an adult from this so in my
mind he was the biggest pilot ship that I had ever had to have any contact with so I was gonna take
him with me and how often did Trump assault you remember I can remember too specifically
the people that were kind of running that party he wanted to
maybe he wanted something we've got to get rid of him anyway so if I can remember him taking
those puppies one by one and like he snapped one of the puppies necks he cut one open and let it
just howl and and and you know writhe in pain while it died held one under some water to kill
it yeah he just be he wanted to hurt kill those puppies and and you know whatever gruesome way
you know just to experience I guess seeing them suffer in different ways what his
kink is I guess if you want to call it that is watching people suffer he likes to destroy
people physically mentally during the process of the assault that's why he stands out so much
in my memory you know and it's it's it's physical pain and then it's it's also
you know degrading and and and all of that but his thing was to just try to destroy human
beings to the to the utmost that he could possibly do it which is why I've acted yeah that's understandable
so um I can tell you this the the last one up and and okay so this was after they had killed
the uh Samantha this is the black girl that I made the the one of the movies with yeah um
and these were let me just ask a question just to clarify so when Samantha was killed these were
were all of these parties at the farm or similar locations to the farm
where there was multiple farms multiple farms and usually it was parties so there was
individuals like trump that were flown in to the parties and then they would have like a building
you know a house and they would usually have like a tent set up and uh you know it was almost like a
little I don't want to say a fair it wasn't that big they didn't have rides or anything but there was
it was a kind of a coordinated deal you know uh you know you've got boxing and stuff like
that on tv but that's really all you had back in the 70s and 80s they the you know the more
the MMA type of stuff wasn't allowed and these fights were a little more gruesome they didn't
they didn't fight to the death or anything like that but they were they were bloody and you know I mean
these were these were fights you know and not just boxing and so the the uh rich people would
pay to see that sometimes they'd have like a you know a band playing uh you know just like what
you would expect it like a fair or something you know so the rich folks would get flown in
associated with etstein and they would pay to watch the victims fight the victims were
all underage and would they pay to then assault the victims after the fights or during the fights
and they'd pay to torture the victims and rape the victims and kill the victims but now now
some of the fights were adults you know so you know if they had some big old country boy and
some other guy they they would pay to see that they would also pay to watch the kids fight and
they did pay to watch me fight I would fight other kids and my dad was was my initial trainer
wanted to be a boxer an amateur boxer but that's how I got my start in all of that
so yes they would have paid for that um and the experiences were different uh each time there wasn't
like a set thing you never really knew what was gonna happen so um you know part of it a lot of it
just comes down to money you know so if they offered you know the dollar that's where I
don't I don't know that isn't that isn't sex that that's that's sexual assault
right I mean I just want to say something first I think okay you're extremely brave
you behave extremely strong like a warrior and I just want to stop and say as important to me
to say that because a lot of folks you know wouldn't even survive such trauma but you've
you've survived and you you know you conduct yourself with with dignity and and gracefully and
and I it is important to me to say that I hope you know that you know I hope you
have a sense of your your own honor and chivalrousness especially what you told me in terms of drugs
they used on you and how they lured you drug to to behave monstrous towards other kids you
know I understand I can remember I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt but I can remember
some law and there's some arm of law enforcement showing me video of me
harming one of the people that they were filming me with now I don't know how that came
drug me enforcement it may have been you know like the people that were running that
but I can remember being really upset because I had no recollection of having done that it was
me in the video and I was beating somebody while a girl senseless and I didn't kill her or anything
like that but you know yeah so and I have a feeling you know this this part I can't prove
because I you know I have I only have my own experiences but what then they get you on film
abusing others and now they have you trapped as well yeah so you can't talk about the abuse
that they did to you if they want you to be a legacy victim somebody that they can use in the
future well then they've got to get you on tape doing monstrous things to other people as well
because now they have to leverage to keep your mouth shut yeah no and you know what you're
exactly right that's exactly the tactic and it's it's since the tactic is insidious because
um have you ever heard of the the the torture technique a lot of a cult practitioners use
it's called inversion inversion torture inversion magic isn't magic sorcery is just
smoke and mirrors nonsense deception techniques but it's sort of inversion technique where to
try to linguistically manipulate the victims to try to get the victims in a position where the
victims doubt whether the victims you know good or not that's absolutely and I think that's the
case with a lot of the republicans you mentioned like you said Clarence Thomas and Lindsey Graham
were at these parties you can't remember if Lindsey Graham and Clarence Thomas participated
and it's sort of a question of did they participate were they blackmailed because they were there
attended the parties but they didn't participate can you tell me much more about Clarence Thomas
and Lindsey Graham I I know the least about him the only reason that I can remember him
is because he was a black man and uh uh was very unusual so he stood out but the only thing
that I can really say is that I remembered him being there and then I remember what a big deal
it was in our household when he got confirmed on to the Supreme Court yeah uh because my dad was
excited about that because of how high up he was now I don't I can't swear I may have been
assaulted by Clarence Thomas but I cannot swear to that if he did assault me then it was not
to the level of something that scared me to the point where I needed to remember it if that's a
good way to put that which you know rose to that and Andy Biggs rose to that and Jim Jordan rose
to that because he was dangerous to me because I could keep most people away from me it was my
fists but you know he he was a good wrestler so you know he scared me in that sense that
this is a person that I can't you know that I can't keep away from me with my with my fists
um Lindsey Graham I am fairly sure he has assaulted me but I just can't put my hand on a
Bible and swear to that yeah you know I know that he was there I can remember it he he just
like uh Jim Jordan he has uh very distinct mannerisms and his voice is a little unusual as well
so I could remember his voice I could remember his mannerisms and then obviously how he looks
this or he did that exactly I just can't okay so I wish that I could provide more information on that
because I I think some things went on but that's just not enough for me to point a finger making
accusation but uh he was there I can tell you that yeah well that's that's that's enough and I
know that you know some sorts of interviews there's we can look at at a different time to see if there
is any more information to remember but what you do remember I just want you to know what you remember
to know that what what you remember is extremely important and is extremely helpful I know you
want to be able to remember more and the memories are in there and you know I just
want to approach the situation delicately because you know some of the other memories are are
are just vague you know I can and and and I I have been very careful too not to to to
to reach out further because there are some other names that I could I could mention that I believe
were there that I know for a fact that that my parents talking of anything like I can tell
during the 1980s yes okay Vladimir Putin I don't I don't know even when he is you know one of the
Russian oligarchs or whatever but his name came up and and I remember just because it's an unusual
name Vladimir Putin you know okay let's talk a little bit about the name being brought up
but I don't ever remember seeing it so Clinton was mentioned but you never saw Clinton
I've not that I can recall and and that's another thing too I may have had interactions with
additional people but during some of them I was so drugged out of my mind I I don't really
remember what happened you know yeah when when you heard them talk about
Putin so it was at one of the parties of one of the farms do you remember what they were
saying about Putin just that he was some sort of like a foreigner that was very important
the idea I you know I didn't know anymore you know the the name was just unusual and
they they mentioned his name you know they they kind of had fun saying his name you know
Vladimir you know does he like to go by Vlad or this and that I think it was just something that
was discussed and never happened now if he has other connections you know and he very well made
that's possible but I can just remember there were at those parties there were people that had
strange accents um but that's that's it that's that's all I could say I couldn't point and say
well this person was from Spain or this person was from Portugal I have no idea but what I do know
for a fact yeah I know that's not a lot but I again I I only remember what I have a question
with with Trump I mean with Putin did you get the sense that the party attendees that the clients
were interested in Putin there was something they wanted from Putin they thought they could get
money from Putin influence from Putin did you have any sense of that
the only sense that I had was that this was for the rich people regardless of where they were from
so at this point in my child brain I knew that there were rich people and those people got to
do whatever they wanted and then there were four people like me and those people you know that was
the dynamic so you know that's that's that's it that I I never heard them say anything about
blackmailing and stuff like that but I can remember them showing me a video of me doing bad
stuff and then I can remember people telling me that if I ever talked about it what I had done
was illegal too by and a lot of that was just bullshit because I was just a kid and they were
making me do that stuff yeah talk about malevolent hypocrisy dude they were just utterly grotesque
they were trafficking you they were insulting you they were drugging you and then they were
trying to they were trying to make me feel like any of you exactly exactly when they you were in
a situation because they were trafficking you the the last encounter with Trump the one where I
entered him was the one that I remember the most vividly and this was the setup for that
I can remember my dad before we went to the farm this was when they lived in enterprise
Alabama yeah so it would have been about 81 to 82 somewhere in there maybe as maybe as late as 83
but he said there may be somebody that you know there and and I can remember the look on his face
and it scared the shit out of it but anyway when I got to the farm of course I'm scared at the
farm because I don't know what's going to my same age around 12 or 30 I wasn't and then then
he said something to the effect of you know it how did how did you
so obviously Trump was extremely violent Trump's yes a sadistic psychopath
when Trump assaulted you so sexual assault and physical assault
yes
do you ever watch the movie the equalizer
no I haven't seen it Denzel Washington you know sort of like justice when everyone involved in
law enforcement can't get any justice that would be a sort of situation obviously
I laughed because there's poetic justice there
Sasha that that and that was what facilitated they not only did I get really assaulted by
Andy Biggs after Trump was airlifted out
he added a whole nother party so they took me to another party after that and because I had
done that to one of those rich people they took me from like station to station and they
could do whatever they wanted most of you know I got beaten to the point where and how many
perpetrators did you say again 20 to 40 25 to 40 perpetrators you know just getting beaten
up and uh you know was that before you tried to defend yourself from Trump or after do you remember
that was after that was as a punishment if you want to call it that the what happened at that party
was so when Andy Biggs almost killed you was after Trump as well yes okay after it painted
watching no sounds like they were trying to torture you just to the point of death
to to punish you and to send a message over and over again to hint to me to give me to kill
myself yeah I can remember thinking there's no way I'm gonna kill myself because that's what
they want did not want to give her the satisfaction yeah so and and she enjoyed
sexually torturing Samantha when they went and got her and Samantha was the runaway that
right that way she was she was she lived in a uh a brothel basically where they got him
did Patricia die oh yeah yes so Samantha Patricia and Sarah and all three died yes yes so Samantha
was the runaway that was murdered by your adopted parents yes Patricia committed suicide Sarah
committed suicide and Prisha was murdered in the bed before Trump came in and then they threatened
you and said to let Trump do whatever Trump wanted to do to you or they would shoot you in the head as
well yes okay if you shoot him we're all gonna go to jail and he was really scared because he knew
that if they just shot me that's not something he could explain to anybody and he had gotten into
so much trouble with trying to get rid of me already but and then there's the
stairs incident and all of those generated a police report in addition to the you know how they
have been this and that and from a frack up into Alabama so there was at least the the the
Chevy van incident pool incident stairs incident there was police into police reports how many
police were reports about three or four and then that I can I that that are just involved in trying
to get rid of me and then there were in addition to those four there were two investigations one for
the poor and then when we lived in the duplex and they were torturing that girl to get in trouble
and got her blood had been there I guess and they didn't it wasn't a match to anybody in the
house so for whatever reason they just didn't have enough and I I don't mention for the
investment in that instance or in the instance up in Tennessee did you provide any testimony to
the police in any of those five cases well the one case with the military with a child
pornography you do see was like a I mean he was a tank so it wasn't something that he wanted to
really get into a fight about over there and the you know my god thank god I can remember the
guy that fished me out they said there's no goddamn way I heard that from 150 yards away
and you're standing there watching him and you didn't hear it you know and you know they
tried to play it off like well we just thought he was playing you know swimming and stuff like that
and I can remember the sheriff asking do you know how to swim and I said no sir and they were like
okay this this fucking sucks you know there's no way that this is a go to jail I don't care
he said I'll make sure of it so they they had a sense but they didn't know they didn't have
enough of what they thought of his evidence they didn't have enough exactly right and that was
the case with Samantha as well yes and your dad wouldn't let them talk to you
what's that and your dad wouldn't let the the police officers talk to you so right that also
seems weird it seems weird I mean I know in Canada is a bit different like in terms of
you know there would have been folks from child protection services there and they would have
gotten you away from your adopted fathers to talk to you to talk to you you wouldn't have
gone through that sort of horror in Canada I'm I'm really sad that's what had occurred
at one point CPS did take me so I got into the foster care system you know because that
my way right back to that you work with me Jane Goodall was one of the people that worked with me
so I know that she is still alive I think she's still alive I think she's 91 now yeah and she might
recall having worked with me because I would have been one of the strangest cases she ever had
because at around that time frame I had made the decision that I would no longer let anybody
know you know people had to stay away from me I could talk I mean I wasn't like that
feral animal but I just would not allow people within my personal space anymore and because of
her work you know with with apes and everything with gorillas you know they they kind of reached
out to her to make contact with me to see if they could help me yeah
and did you talk to Jane Goodall at all about what you'd experienced getting trafficked I know when
you and I spoke by email messenger you said was from during about 1978 to 1986 is what you
remembered 9 to 13 but you're not sure it could have been as early as six or seven years old
right and to really piece together much of a story so whether you were six or seven years old or
or 10 or 11 years old with the parties when you're right I know family was assaulting me and then
friends of family were assaulting me as early as six or seven I I know that some of my very
first memories so how much I know it's no no it's it's okay I'm I'm I'm glad you're you and I are able
to have such a thorough discussion and and I appreciate again how straightforward and forthright
you are you know it's it's extremely important um I mean there's a part of me that just wants to
point fingers in every direction but I have I have really thought about okay what do I recall
then what I am yeah so there are other things that I could maybe point fingers at but then it kind of
gets into muddying the water because I don't really remember them that well well I think that's why
I just yeah no that's that's good and I think what what I'd like to do like well continue to
you know discussing a bit about what we're talking about now um the things that you're let
sure of I'd like to look at a second at a discussion just entirely focused on what you're
not sure of just because I think there is some important information there but I don't want to
muddy the waters in terms of what we're speaking about now that you that you are
willing to testify in a court of law about so so let's continue focusing about any of the details
about what you're willing to swear to in a court of law and then you know then let's look at I
would maybe look at say a second discussion and any any follow on questions from this discussion
or I might just look at getting everything transcribed and I'm just going to look at it raw
because honestly in terms of um you know all the there's obviously thousands and thousands of of
pieces of video footage filmed that the FBI took that's all gone into some
whoever's been trying to profit off of his nonsense so my what I'm looking at I'm thinking even a
combination like just a brief summary for me like a paragraph and I'll even look at at just
publishing the raw audio file of our discussion okay with the text messages because I think the
context is really important I think especially because there's been so much collusion regarding
copy editing of video footage that you know folks that are really wanting that are genuinely
wanting justice you know for them to just hear the audio recordings and read the text messages
is plain as day anybody that experiences an ounce of integrity will be able to discern the truth
and I think it's so important as the Mr. Lindsey Graham may have been involved in lesser
things uh but then we're also at horrible things so that seemed to be an underlying theme of
all the way in and this is just me speculating here as an adult where they would try to get
these affluent people in all of these positions of of power and influence to come participate in
these parties where all of these things were going on so that you know poorly nothing you
know that nefarious could be going on type of situations yeah so it seemed to be very well
thought out how they kind of did things but as the party wound down that's when people in my
position would would really begin to get scared did it did you see anyone else die besides um
Samantha and Patricia yes yes so early came in and shot her while we were having sex
that was some sort of snuff film yeah um and then in the brothel okay and all of these
no go ahead me and Samantha having to clean up uh we didn't have to do anything with the body
but I can remember me and Samantha had to clean up the blood and everything another of the victims
I don't know if you've read about uh the British woman Sarah Ransom was on the Epstein Island
and and tried to swim off the island and was willing to drown then then go through another
yeah I mean it's it's some horrible horrible shit yeah and you know it's a I can remember
yeah well I'm gonna ask you some questions there again so with the the rich folks that you
were sold to that was all associated with with the Epstein Trump trafficking ring and you
said to me you thought Trump ran things with Epstein is that true oh yes he was not just uh
it was almost like him and maybe six or eight other super rich guys so he ran it at the behest of
you how many people Trump was a John yeah do you remember like he ran that ring yeah no no I
understand I so so read so Jeffrey was sort of presented publicly as the ringleader of the pedophile
ring but Jeffrey was basically behaving like uh like a general manager of the ring and then there
was seven or eight other individuals such as Trump that were actually actively running the ring
micromanaging telling Jeffrey what to do a lower level that would go like yeah I want to
ask us more questions in terms of your sense of like the demonic um
some of some of the the advisory work I've done some of my
own specifics of law enforcement um you know I've come into contact I've minimized any content with
I'm familiar with a lot of really horrific horror stories that involve um satanists
occult practitioners theistic satanists you know I've I've spoken to folks that um
were able to get out of the theistic satanist cults a lot of the torture techniques you describe are
similar to theistic satanist torture techniques um sexual torture human trafficking human
cannibalism and what I wanted I you know what what's your sense in terms of these parties that
that what do you remember like was there any overt I know a lot of the attendees
presented themselves as Christians but their practices are full-blown demonic satanic
do you have the sense that any of them were actually secretly practicing any sort of occult
rituals or were they just like rich fiendish fake Christians that just didn't experience a conscience
I think it's the latter just rich fake Christians I can I can tell you uh one thing
specifically that trump did yeah and he got bored of it
so that did you get the sense that he was trying to kill you or just to torture you about the
thought and in the moment in the moment you think you're going to die yeah and that that's
the experience that that he wants to see the fear in another human being's eyes that thinks
that he's killing him you know um but looking back I just think he was just torturing me
you know I don't think I think if had he wanted to kill me he could have you know he could have
just times maybe more yeah you know uh you know um I believe I wouldn't swear to this but I
believe bust him up you can't break stuff yeah you know they didn't break bones or anything
uh but you know obviously I had breathing a school nurse uh got CPS involved I believe yeah
in yeah you know okay so let me see can I call you back in about 10 minutes
sure absolutely I just I just want to make sure I've got the recording set
you know I want to get into a file folder and get some duplicates
and then I'll call you back okay okay sounds good talk to you in a minute bye bye oh
I'm just checking here so I to kind of to kind of recap what we were just talking about this
yeah one of the first memories or one of the watching deity of ways as I stood there they
made me stand they were one people that's why I yeah okay so I'm going to summarize a bit about
what what we had discussed that um wasn't recorded so with Trump when Trump murdered the puppies and
forced you to watch had Trump you were eight or nine years old that was your first yes
remembrance of Trump and had Trump sexually assaulted and tortured you already maybe but
I don't recall faulting me I think that that was in an effort later on so what ways that was watching
him kill those puppies and then the next higher order of that and I couldn't tell you exactly
how much time passed between but I would say likely a couple of years or at least a year later
um before the incidents with Patricia okay and the incident with Patricia
was when at that point yeah you know they're just gonna torture me to death anyway okay
and so with the incident with Patricia then recapping they told you to go into another room
with Patricia there was film they were filming no no no there wasn't filming in such a
way there may be somebody you know I had been traffic to live her previously yeah but as far as
maybe that part of um I believe I wouldn't swear to this part but I am relatively certain she and I
had already made some movies together um off you know not everybody was do you think they knew
Trump was gonna walk in the room do you think they do you think they had premeditated
that Trump would walk in the room next oh yes yeah yeah I think that was just part of the experience
for him uh you know to get that so like an escalation from the puppies yes okay so Trump
would traumatize you first and then sexually assault you there was the incident with the
but Trump murdered the puppies and forced you to watch and then the incident won't
Trump had Patricia killed yes okay
and then that's the incident with predict Patricia we we spoke about where um Trump assaulted you
tortured you and then Trump wanted you to engage in sex with Trump and you found the
Ted Pegg and got a condom on and then inserted the condom in Trump
anus just tasted as far as I could and take as hard as you can yeah yeah yeah and my plan was to
continue hurting him to death but busted back in it so and then what occurred they didn't know
what to do at that point so we left we didn't get beat up I didn't get further assaulted by anyone
but something wrong he said you can't do that to the rich people um you know
you're gonna get beat up it's basically what he said he said you've been beat up before
it's gonna be just like that you'll you'll be okay and that's when you were taken to the farm
and then six or maybe ten different groups
it was it was at least three or four five people that that well he was a bare knuckle
you know premeditated seems like a premeditated like well what I know of Trump is that Trump
would attempt to premeditated the stage such a scene to to terrorize you retaliatorily yes yes
so he wasn't there at that yeah I'm sure that he was it was a close enough time frame that he was
still recovering yeah but that was that they had kind of taken it to to get me to that homicide
rage so then they want to argument so then they they they took you to different locations
several groups at a time tortured and assaulted you sexually and then at one point you said they
they hosed you off with a garden hose and what did they say say again to your dad
that you were dirty and it hose you off oh yeah they said the coordination aspect of it
just because I've been taken ahead and embodying everything so much that I even had difficulty
in getting the soap so they made me like take a shower with a while they stood there with the
the garden hose just hosing me off and I can remember getting really cold from that and you
said it was sexual assault followed by beatings in all of those cases yes some some people didn't
even want to sexually assault me some people just wanted to beat the hell out of me so
not all of them they got to do whatever they wanted but with all of the different people
that included some sort of physical assault physical and sexual assault or just the physical
there weren't any instances of just sexual yeah and you know at that point he had like drugged me
because I couldn't walk or anything to one of the groups okay I could breathe and everything
um to where I walked out of there with help and then is that when they took you to Andy Biggs
or Andy Biggs towards you they're after it not immediately thereafter but another week or two
past maybe maybe a month week to whatever it was even a week or some people call that like the
death rattle yeah that's point to which he'd be to where when I would try to breathe my my chest
would just make this no you described that extremely extremely clearly like I say I appreciate
your forthrightness now you and I had spoken and um you said that your dad told you that after
the incident with Andy Biggs that that your dad said that Trump and Trump's associates said that
whatever debt they thought you owed because you fought back against Trump that the debt was paid
and the debt was you getting raped and beaten brutally by all those individuals including
Andy Biggs yes and then you said that you don't recall attending any more parties after that
and you weren't sure of us because they thought you aged out because you were 12 or 13 or whether
they just yeah you're much too much of a hassle like they could get caught
I think all of that came into play yes or they might wanted to behave
indicted towards your dad about whatever money your dad was earning
do you think that I couldn't speak the meaning of that part of I yeah I might be I'm not even
sure like the financial arrangements or anything like that I can remember that when they sent me
to the brothel that they were upset that they didn't make more money upon in Tennessee you know
but the film remember that being upset okay and the filming most of the filming
the parties was all associated with Trump and the Trump Epstein just laying pedophile ring
different layers of parties yeah but it's a it's a whole bunch of people it's just that from my
childhood perspective what I saw were level people like my dad that kind of went out and
found girls or coordinated um you know at the ground level of yeah of things yeah so in terms of
even Epstein himself he just sought out people like my dad that would fell you know their adopted
child their actual child or whatever so those are the different layers of people yeah
but that Trump was involved in a lot of the planning micro managing
filming certainly the payouts yeah because I know that when uh I was offered to Trump
they the excitement wasn't really a big payday and they were nervous about taking that kind
of money because they were accepting this large amount of risk for a very really little amount of
reward and they were excited to make it to the level of Donald Trump because I think the payday
that they were supposed to get was $25,000 may have been another sum but that's just the sum
that I remember and that may not sound like a lot especially today but the chunk of money
mm-hmm and you so and we spoke about in terms of the years when you're about nine to 10 years
old maybe eight years old until about 13 and most of the parties there are only three or
four kids there um sometimes only you yes and it was sort of the different yeah and they would
almost always have at least one girl there so the I'm sure that the the uh the mentality of that would
be you know and have a boy or a girl because I was being abused you know in in like a bedroom of
the farmhouse or some other location and there could have been more people there I can't you
I can't really say exactly that you get kind of just just from a standpoint of
of of the experience you you very much just kind of look lock onto your surroundings
to try to stay alive you know you're looking at the person that you're having this encounter
with anything that you could potentially use for a weapon escape went past and stuff like that
um very much you're in survival mode so you tend to hyper focus on just what's immediately around
you so there may have been additional things going on but I really wasn't paying attention to those okay
okay and we spoke about the average age was like nine or ten years old in some cases
um layers of parties adult prostitutes were there too you know the younger
and just nine ten all the way up to uh you know young ladies uh 17 18 19 20 year olds you know
and did you ever see Andy big sexually assault and torture anyone else
or you no no not that I can recall no and what about Jim Jordan
you know and I remember him from that one instance I I'm not saying that he wasn't
added together you know just a bunch of adults you know yeah so I need I need to remember this
type of type of deal and that's that's those three yeah and then Trump during all those years
now did you ever see Clarence Thomas more than once or Lindsey Graham
him I could have yeah so but laughing about those amazing black men but he's kind of a dark
skinned black man so in that group of people he stood out uh a lot because yeah he was the only black
guy there okay and then in terms of um we talked about transportation plane airplane helicopter
automobile um you said there was usually only there weren't a lot of folks on the plane maybe
sometimes three or four other kids sometimes you just you whichever adults on the plane
when um with the snuff movies were any of those shot on the farm that you remember
or those were you said were at different locations those were at different locations um
and how many folks did you see killed in the snuff movies that that you saw filmed
sure a hundred percent I only remember that one yeah now if they filmed Patricia being shot
that would be two okay the other one was on it on like what you would think of as a
movie set yeah uh you know probably probably just a warehouse somebody's basement I couldn't
tell you the location but it was it wasn't just a handheld uh you know VHS camcorder it was
something on a tripod with lights and things like that and we were having sex and somebody
walked in and just shot her in the head and I don't remember her name so it was a similar
mo is with patricia yes but there was no additional assault to me afterwards but yes it was similar
did patricia say anything to you before patricia was shot do you remember anything
did patricia say anything all during the assault there there really aren't any
English language words that convey you know
I'm I'm glad that you found each other that you found some way that you could find some sort of
friendship in such harrowing circumstances I'm so sad but you know she was just sweet sweet
little girl you know and that's just not me that yeah do you have a sense that that trump
and those perpetrators would specifically try to look for children they thought were really innocent
to torture like the puppies oh yeah like the more innocent they wanted to torture more
yes it was about the the experience to them didn't seem to be all that sexual in nature it was
about taking a uh bright little energetic youth and then just just barely but psychologically and
emotionally it like like to the point where they they just really were like with traumatized
for life yeah my mother maryland riley was of the exact same personality flaws that those rich
people were and as bad as my dad is and and as far as human beings go I would I would I would
say that he's just about a failure in every way he wasn't even that bad there was just some
semblance of conscious with him like I can remember at that part of it was
affecting emotionally to see me take that level of punishment or abuse or whatever
so Lynn would have Lynn was a type of person she would have smiled and laughed and had a really
good time do any big kids those three those three are like the last level of human as far as
depravity because I mean there's there's nothing in the way of watching another person suffer but
they didn't seem to enjoy it would be the best way to put it so it would be similar sort of
cup of tea is a John Wayne Gacy
Trump yeah I yeah even worse I can remember uh um
Samantha was the
and that's the last part of what they used is leverage against me and they had damaged her to
the point where she was probably going to die in any way but Samantha asked me because they
threw not in a good way I think that maybe they've broken her arm um but she was she was
suffering and she asked me to choke her to death and I did and they used that my parents
used that as leverage against me for a period of time telling me that I was the only one
guilty of murder so in my childhood brain kind of did for Sarah that's how you are looking at
okay so let's just recap because that's important I don't want that to get misconstrued so Samantha
Sarah Patricia which one was African American again Samantha Samantha so Samantha was African
American and you're all tortured and trafficked by Trump and the Trump Epstein pedophile ring
brutally tortured when Sarah was going to commit suicide Sarah was afraid to pull the trigger
and Samantha pulled the trigger and so that Samantha could die because Samantha was afraid
to commit suicide Samantha asked Sarah asked Samantha to pull the trigger and then when
Sarah had asked me to be in the room too because she wanted we cared about each other me
you know three month people that she loved and at that point it was just me and
Samantha I don't I don't and was that at the brothel again or what was the
yeah okay I was at the brothel okay and so that's when Sarah died and then they had to clean up
clean up the adult came in and took the body took Sarah's body but I remember Samantha and I had to
use the you know for cleaner solutions and clean up all the blood and stuff like that
mm-hmm and then when Marie Lynn and William Kyle tortured Samantha almost to death
Samantha was going to die and then Samantha asked you to kill Samantha similar that Sarah asked
Samantha to kill Sarah and she she showed me how to what else did did did she say
uh Samantha yeah just she just made me she said to save save her
made me promise to to live life both what do you think Marie Lynn and William would have done
to Samantha if if Samantha hadn't have died they just would have kept beating on her until she was dead
so it's they tortured her for a couple of weeks probably a couple of weeks so they tortured
Samantha during a couple of weeks and then Samantha asked you to kill Samantha because
Samantha didn't want to die getting tortured by William Kyle and Marie Lynn
she said I can't go back in there yeah I can't do it again yeah yeah and they would pull us out
one at a time and torture us and then throw us back in there together and again and she yeah
and when I filed the police report I told them that same so when you did that and locked
in Oklahoma in Oklahoma and so you talked when you talked to the police you said Samantha
had asked you to kill Samantha because Samantha couldn't get bare getting tortured by your parents
anymore and you told the police and the police never followed up in Oklahoma I they I filled out a
whole report I was recorded I gave them the yeah seems like there was some some different states
yeah different states because Texas Tennessee Alabama and they tried to kill me in Florida
there was another investigation in Florida that followed them back to Alabama yeah
so you know I have a question for you no way yes this is specific regarding with Trump again
and I think it might help in terms of sort of just establishing something when you kicked the
the the tent peg into Trump's anus you said it tore Trump's backside open anus open yes there was
been there was a lot of um gossip discussion about Donald Trump's being incontinent since
several years ago I remember uh some folks that worked on the television series The Apprentice
they said Donald Trump had to wear diapers and that I would bet it's because I ripped him open
that's that's that's what that's what my sense is is that some of the gossip has been oh Trump
had used Adderall Trump was incontinent because of drug use but I'm wondering and and I do know that
the truth um if that's if that's actually the reason Trump wears diapers
is a significant part do you think do you remember I think I mean can you describe
what the injuries look like
huh
the do you remember enough to describe I just remember wasn't just that he was hurt
he started while he was screaming like his entire body was was in a almost like a horseshoe
while he was just screaming at the I remember his reaction being anyway they they held the
gun on me and there was some horrible way that I could possibly do it well you were 12
and you've just seen Patricia tortured and raped and murdered Trump premeditated
the murder of Patricia to torture you and then Trump tortured you extreme circumstances
you know you you know you experienced understandable
rage that injustice the most depraved sort of injustice somebody would just offer my dad a deal
because it would be worth him not going to jail as far as is it even worse
hmm yeah but that's just go out and find running ways but I think your your dad your dad um was
probably one of similar sort of recruiters they might have used in different locations
or in terms of the the core group of like that those specific torture parties they might have
tried to keep it quite tight rain on things yeah
is there anything else you want to talk about right now I mean I think I think um
I have okay I flip into my head all of this and and uh you know over the number of years
about the last 10 years I've been just peeling back layer after layer of this and as far as what
I remember did what when or where salted me some of the other family members assaulted me I can
remember that um but as far as anybody else any that were there I just can't point a finger at
them and say for sure yet no no don't don't worry about that at all right now there's
what I'm gonna do is to be honest with you seeing Clarence Thomas there really stood out but what
cements that into my brain was the celebration that my dad had when he got confirmed onto the
supreme court him yeah so you know we could potentially have John Roberts or Justice Alito
one of those guys been there potentially I I I don't know but I can remember specifically how
excited he was that you know this do you remember for what that's worth no that's that's important
that's significant do you remember any female attendees at those parties adult females
yes but it was not very common uh Lynn went to one they were rare
most of the women that were at these parties were the parties for people at the end where they
really did the the the more brutal more women being there besides Trump can you could you
identify any of the rest of the man of those eight to ten men that were always in the tour
and the the the core torture group if you saw the photos he would be the only one that that I could
clearly say that this yeah so they just kind of go into the memory bank of just something else bad
and I know the only ones that I remember are the ones that that I thought were dangerous and
and Clarence because he's black and then Lindsay just because of his mannerisms and and I remember more
I remember seeing him and and observing his mannerisms but what I remember even more
is uh my dad and whoever he was with at the time kind of uh joking about those mannerisms
I can even remember somebody telling my dad to be careful because there were a lot of people
at that party that were gay so if you got caught like making fun of a rich person that was gay or
or at least had the mannerisms and and and the meter of a gay person that it might cause
my dad problems you know so it was kind of yeah we can kind of laugh and joke about this a little
bit here but you better be careful what you say around other people because a lot of these people
are gay or at least have uh bisexual tendencies and they may take offense to that and these are
people that my dad was not in a position to to uh offend they they you know
okay well what I'm gonna do I'm gonna um get these this recording here this second recording
and um backups and so on and then um
I'm just gonna spend the rest of Saturday fairly quiet doing some peaceful things which
I highly suggest you do as well just whatever you like to do that you experience
there you go if it's if it's not too hot outside it was pretty hot yesterday but that's
what I that's my meditation matter the gym and I can't go to the gym today yeah spend some time
outdoors okay and then what I'll do um like I said already I'd like to I'd like to just get the
text messages we've got under recordings and I'm just going to figure out in terms of um
you know you know there's so there's two recordings now and um
I'm just going to figure out like well whether I might just upload to a specific drive and then
I've got to look at this some of in terms of the the logistics with the recordings like
like I said like I'd like to just post them raw with a brief summary
and um you know a totally different context a long time ago I was speaking to some folks
who were at NASA about climate crisis related and one of the women that I know at NASA was talking
about all the data they were seeing and there was so much politicization of the data that
Lynn was concerned that you know it's going to be huge negative impact Lynn's perspective
in terms of climate crisis was you know in terms of survival of the human species
and we'd had some discussion about posting all of these data from all these different locations
the North Koreans norad just so everybody could look at the data and they'd be like holy
Christ what the heck is going on and then it's like a bit more simple to try to get folks of
different opinion belief systems um to behave more unified so slightly obviously what we're
discussing is is quite different but that's what's similar is you know the truth is being suppressed
and very much I yeah um it's just every direction that's not I would think would be
yeah not enough people in key positions to prevent it from happening and that's yeah and you know
to be honest with you to some degree it feels like the democrats are just are just part of theater
you know Joe Biden had four years you know seemed like some things were going in the
right direction but where were the uh you know they don't feel like they're you know
no I understand I think yeah I think Joe Biden was trying to do the right thing
and there's obviously a lot of folks republicans that are involved in the pedophile ring and have
complement against them and perhaps some democrats and I think I think it's one of those situations
where you know if Biden had more information there's a lot more Biden would have done so
there's obviously been some collusion about the information that everyone's getting and I think
what you were speaking what you're you know what you're talking about in terms of
parties and how parties seem to be presented you know folks that were engaged in some level
of criminal behavior but wasn't the extreme criminal behavior of those that were torturing
yeah and murdering kids and so they were all trying to play it all off against them also
all these different folks had compromise say on drug use or some sex acts they didn't want public
size but they didn't know about the torturing so a lot of collusion but there there are
decent folks and there are decent folks that are trying to do the right thing and um
I'll get these audio files I'll get them looked at I'll get them uploaded I'll write a little summary
I'm sort of simmering about you know
just some of the logistics in terms of the file size the right location
where I'm comfortable with the files being and I'm like I say I've already looked in terms
of some contacts at the hog one of the things with the hog is the United States isn't part of the
international you know the the criminal court system anymore but I know how can still be presented
because it is international security issue considering Trump's wreaking this sort of havoc
now Trump's attempting to wreak havoc on all sorts of folks in all sorts of countries
regarding tariffs and all sorts of nonsense and is it the exact MO you described with the puppies and
with Patricia so she does seem to to to enjoy watching the the the act of suffering play out
yeah in almost any venue that he has any part of yeah and now you know
immigrations and detentions disappearances in the United States again it's similar
yeah I just featured human being around him and that is purpose to mankind yeah
but if his level of malfeasance somehow segues into the the the uh the exposed
people around him that'll be the only good thing he's ever done yeah that's just my opinion but
yeah I just I have watched this presidency closer than any other because of my past
and good god everything he touches turns to shit yeah and it seems to be that he turns it to
shit in the most callous and and and and and a horrible way possible for as many people as he
can make it that way yeah it's it's it's incredible to me that so many people are on board with the
suffering yeah you know I I can remember discussing with somebody the other day I don't care if
somebody's here legally or illegally at the end of the day that's still a human being that
we're talking about now if this person that will then they should answer for it but
every person deserves due process every person and that's the way the constitution is written
that was the one thing that all nine supreme court just didn't even agreed on
is that everybody should get due process yeah and so the fact that he is denying people that
and trying to con is just alarming to a degree that that it actually is shocking to me that it
just it isn't a line in the sand for everybody I don't understand the reasoning behind some
people thinking that that because your skin's brown you don't deserve due process or violation
you know that somehow now that person deserves to suffer to death on such a subject
something that I'm simmering with in terms of timing of publishing the files you know
there's on one hand I want to publish sooner than later but one of my siblings is traveling to the
United States this week and I told her not to travel I said it was quite urgent not to travel
and she just hasn't read a lot of information yeah I know and so what I'm thinking what I'm
looking at in terms of just especially since we've you know our discussion today I don't
I need to confirm when my sister's traveling and her husband when they're back in Canada
and I would want to make sure they're back in Canada before I post the audio
file just in case I don't blame you know because I just don't I mean it's one of those
things you know I just I want to make sure you're in a safe location I want to um I have a friend
who's retired he's American he's worked as a defense attorney but he lives in Canada now at
least half the year and he hates Trump and I got a call into him he was a defense attorney in
the United States and I want to run through some things with him see if he has some
suggestions just in terms of preparation in terms of
you know so we're okay so if there's a maybe it will get maybe folks will ignore
maybe there'll be a bunch of press contacts I just want to make sure there's a bit in terms
of preparation there so but it is really urgent I know sooner than later so let's just
you know go step by step okay absolutely I'll I'll look forward to hearing back from you
yeah and there is one other entity that is right now going through some flight logs
and and I think they're going to schedule uh talk to me tomorrow I think it was the day that they
had um so they are looking for my name and my dad's name in different itineraries to try to
piece it together from a different angle yeah and who are the folks you're speaking to there
there I have the name on there I don't have it on the top of my head okay that's right so they're
looking through there yeah okay don't when you speak to them maybe just tell them that
don't mention my name but just say you're speaking to someone that's helping them with
that's helping you in terms of court related affidavit related in that that that I'm planning
on publishing some discussions with us imminently and if they would you know I just want to you
know I want to make sure there doesn't get the muddy the waters don't get muddied inadvertently
I I actually follow them on social media and I I like what they're you know they're trying to
get compilations and all the ice agents and everything so that's great um but I would appreciate
just from uh and just a bit more in terms of my background I spent lots of time advising folks
on a whole range of subjects and I you know um have a very specific approach in regards to
law enforcement that sort of Clark and sort of Clark can't camouflaged and um so when I look at what
I'm looking at it's really about what's truly the right thing that's really going to truly help
ensure there's justice and I mean like true justice so if you would if anybody from any
journalistic outlet tries to contact you for interviews or anything I would appreciate if
you would just decline until we can get this published because I think that's going to really
help in terms of what we can of what's the most important to get out of what we've covered raw
because journalists are going to try and edit and there's just we don't we have to be careful about
who's on side and who isn't so right so and I'd like to speak to some folks that
you know with the human rights organizations maybe even try to get something into the ICC before
you know again sooner than later and um so yeah so talk to the folks at the
crusty in tomorrow but please don't agree to any sort of journalistic interviews with them or
anyone else until we get these audio files published okay okay awesome and contact me anytime
anything comes up okay I want you to know that you know I'm a fierce warrior myself so
I believe I have I have relayed the the the bulk of what I truly remember clearly but if
some detail yeah and you know ad-libbing um you know I have my thoughts on the matter as well
but I'm just trying to relate to those things that that uh that I clearly remember and that
unfortunately is just the the small amount that I have told you you know there's much more to it
it's just that those details are so muddy that all I can say is there's just a substantial
amount more abuse that I can't know I understand and then you know again we'll just I'd like to still
like to look so we've got these files I probably in terms of the one file I'll probably shorten
the length just of the five minutes before we talk about um you know carefulness in terms
of journalists and stuff and my sister traveling just for safety reasons so I'll just cut the
one file short but um then for sure I'd like to look at you know another interview where we talk
about some of the details that are fuzzy and everything but just peacefully it's it's right
timing and things and then like I say I've sort of tried to structure so as easy to get into
affidavit format and stuff in terms of criminal cases I know you know you could file a lawsuit
or something in the United States but I just don't know that that's the right approach
to look at right now like aging caro filed a lawsuit but this is a totally different level of
of crime right so yeah which is why and I and and and I also want to be careful that I don't
come across looking like um I I I do not care about money I do not care about any sort of
notoriety all I care about is exposing this for what it is in hopes that you can't exactly create
a nirvana you know there's always going to be bad people doing bad things but at this level that
it's being used somebody has to stand up to it because we're goose stepping towards our own
crematorium is what it looks like to me uh and we're having to do that because of all this leverage
on the people at the very top of our food chain yeah well what I'm gonna do is in as much as as
Donald Trump has uh all of this dirt on on the people around him I wonder just exactly what dirt
uh maybe our adversaries have on Donald Trump you know that's just speculative on my part yeah but
it certainly would seem to me that he is beholden to Netanyahu and to Putin yeah I would say that's
quite clear and certainly even in involving yourself and and footage with yourself so yeah
some okay but I very much appreciate the help of all this um the the uh I've forgotten the name
again the Crestacean or whoever they are they are trying to put together uh the different
flight itinerary so okay um they and and possibly the recognition software that and there's an
international form database yeah so when child victims become adults if they approve and I do
being uh run through that system they can if it's ever been on the internet they can basically
they can do a lot of forensics uh uh did they say they thought they could help with that or that
they might have access to some of the software I believe so okay I believe so I mean don't mention
my name but just mention that you know I'm helping you and that I might like to talk to them and you
at some point but just tell them I'm sort of looking through in terms of the ICC and I
doing some diligence there just precautionary two people have also reached out to me that
have um been involved in similar types of abuse um I don't know if that would be potentially helpful
I don't know that this is under the same umbrella yeah um but one lady that has reached out to me has
talked about um something that's more involved than just you know like family abuse type of
yeah okay yeah no we'll look at all those things and and when I'm looking at something that would
help me if you thought about a little bit in terms of sort of jurisdictions if you were anyone either
you said you remembered accents and stuff and then with Putin just in terms of if there was
anyone in Europe and specifically in Canada it's one of the countries of the British Commonwealth
the Commonwealth of Nations and if there's anyone in any the Commonwealth of Nations countries
that that might help in terms of with jurisdiction but I like I said it's like really it's
international security issues so you know I would hope that you know decent folks working as
prosecutors in Canada and and involved with the ICC and concerns regarding NATO and the Five Eyes
Agreement would do the right thing and attempt to assist so that's sort of what I'm trying to
sort out a little bit there but I know that as a very big start is just publishing the briefings
you know like I say I would send the briefings to some of the folks that I've advised during
the years I would publish and post them and and I'll contact at after the briefings
with the audio or published with the right preface and right preface meaning so it's clear that what
your position is it's clear what my position is which is doing the right thing right isn't about
some financial interest or anything it's about doing the right thing right sometimes doing the
right thing involves finances but that's not what we're talking about here we're talking about
honoring the truth
the chance at life to you know you're from the same rules and clauses the rest of us
decided that there was more important who exists because good people do nothing you know
something something to that effect yeah and uh I don't know this level of evil I don't think
should exist but we will see yeah okay okay I'm gonna take a little I'm gonna spend a little time
outdoors and and get some follow-up calls going and we'll figure this out okay well thank you very
much for your help you're welcome and hey something else before we go I'll just tell you one of my
my own two of my mantras mantra isn't the word I'd like to say because I don't practice
occultist sort of Buddhism two of my mottos I guess on herself on her all
is one and thanks forward faith up is another so that's my approach on these items
if that helps I do appreciate all of all of the all of the help I do thank you I hope that
bad people and so Sasha I'll make sure I'll make sure and how I can't even quite really
speak to you about how I've I've already made sure there there is justice and it's it's
much more meant than than anyone else really experiences awareness of and justice is here
now okay I appreciate it I look forward to hearing from you yeah I'll talk to you soon Sasha
okay thank you you're welcome bye bye okay to be before Michael what's that no go ahead tell me
bailiff yep yeah and unfortunately this is the newer hence you a number four five six one okay
and the but the commander Ryan L Mindenhall what's the spelling
okay N E N D E N H A L of the social is one one two four okay okay and so to be a little more helpful
for the day the day so September 21st 2010 yes okay so I would have been talked I would have
talked to him about it probably within the year prior to that date sometime within the
year prior to that date so year prior to the date so 2009 yes sometime within that that year because
a rated a rating period is for one year okay okay so sometime between 2009 September 2009 and
September 2010 yeah okay
okay okay so um in terms of what I was going to um record in terms of what we can look at
is is another audio file but I just recorded now I'll just um we'll start the sort of
like in terms of witness testimony right here because I just want to be careful about what
we publish about those individuals right now because we want to see about talking to them
so yeah so you know today is July 19th 2025 and continuing with interviews from tomorrow
I mean from tomorrow from today is July 19th 2025 oh July 20th my goodness gracious as it is
so yeah today is July 20th 2025 and we're continuing with interviews from yesterday during July 18th 2025
and um
I wanted to just recap what we had spoken about about the girls so there was
10 to 12 films one snuff film we spoke about yesterday conversely yesterday there's one more
circumstance similar where you were there when the girls girls were killed after the filming
there were at least two girls that were killed was the same ammo they were shot in the head
I didn't witness that the and I didn't know that it was you know there were I didn't I wasn't
you know I I can remember wondering if my if it was going to be my turn next or whatever but
you know um as far as uh you know you know and you said
you thought they were silencing the the girls and the girls were under 13 well
the and in the brothels really ever rise up a you know we're going to clean you up and make
you beautiful and you'll be around these rich people and you know they like young women so
if you can be what they want then perhaps you know you'll go off and live in a mansion
with one of these rich people but you know consciousness they have uh they have passed
their expiration date so they would only use the girls for a certain amount of time and you know they
were either recruiting or finding I don't know how they got the girls you know but yeah maybe even
maybe even just like a couple of months but even in that small five killed during two months
yeah yes uh I saw Sarah guy she was there one hour yeah
and then Sarah was committing suicide you said yes yes Patricia to terrorize you
yes so those were additional killings on top of the five during the two months is that
well let me let me count again so yeah Sarah but you uh oh there's another one that I saw killed too
so Sarah which was sort of more of a suicide when but then Samantha pulled the trigger right
yes okay and then one other time so one of the girls was executed in the brothel
and did you see that Samantha did the execution did they force Samantha to do the execution or no
two separate instances the one girl that was executed I did not know her uh I don't know if
I've ever even hardly spoken to her but she uh was killed as some sort of retaliation
and again it was one of those people that you couldn't touch so they came and they didn't
kill Samantha they just killed this other girl and I don't even think she had anything to do with it
was that the one in the brothel that was one of the ones in the brothel yes and then Samantha killed
this other girl just because she she had beat up one of the other girls and she kept stealing
stuff and she kept like trying to cause problems with the people running it yeah I suspect you'll
think of a lot all of these all of these things are kind of compartmentalized a little bit so I'm
thinking okay this happened that you know yeah it's okay well what's I understand you know there's
there's a lot you've been through a lot and you're trying to diligently remember and you know
you know remembering you'll probably remember a lot more and you know how I'm making sure is
comfortable you know so there was during the two months there was at least five girls killed
and the killings were all related to the Trump Epstein pedophile ring there was execution snuff film
silencing the girls
now at that brothel I never saw anybody except this big belly hillbilly that ran it
yeah um and one okay so a mobster yeah and I don't I had no idea who he was just some older
guy you know gray hair um pinky ring type person you know yeah and when the two girls were killed
after the filming tell me again what what the other individual said to you that you're good
they won't kill you boys are hard to find like I was working maybe packing up stuff or cleaning
or I don't you know so I just I kept doing whatever it was obviously on it and he said boys were
hard boys are hard to find you're you're good yeah he said he said you're good girls are a
dime a dozen boys are hard to find something like that that may not have been the exact words
but it was something of that effect yeah so it sounds like in the case with the Trump Epstein ring in
terms of whoever they thought was expendable disposable the the girls that were under the
ages of 13 years old that were considered what do you say it was more about were they financially
poor did they and they would just dispose of them as they got older more aware yeah okay yeah once
once kind of the gig was up where they they they knew that the lies that they were being told
were ever going to materialize that that they that no matter what they did for these rich
people they were just being used yeah um they didn't want them around to kind of spoil
the ones that still believed in the narrative because the the to be enthusiastic willing
participants you know okay so from your experience all the girls that
you were exposed to during those particular two months they all died yes yeah all of the ones
that i made any kind of uh you know ran away or escaped or i i have no idea what happened to the
rest and was that always specifically is that that was specifically when you were at the brothel
during those two months yes okay and when you first met trump you were about eight or nine
and then your last the last incident with trump you said was when you were 12 or 13 that's correct
as far as i know i i wouldn't swear it could have been a more compressed time frame say
nine to just 11 but within those 12 or 13 yeah um but there's a chance that it ended even before
that the the 13 year mark but it would definitely be within that time period okay because beyond
that my life kind of changed a little bit with any of that moving forward that i can recall okay and
where did where did you go then after that period of time were you still with marie lin and
william kyle yeah
when we moved out actually made my way back into there okay okay um is there anything else you think
would be helpful for us to converse about during during this recording not that i'm not that i'm
remembering at this time you know yeah uh even
even some of it you know like some of it's chronological in my memory but i can't tell you
i am pretty sure we still lived in tennessee when they sent me to the brothel and that's where i
met samantha that's where i met patrician and sarah sarah mantha was already dead at that point
so and then patricia died at that part so samantha was already dead
go ahead so samantha was already dead sarah died and then samantha and then patricia
yes okay and i can i can because i could just remember when patricia died i kind of changed
something in in in yeah yeah yeah
there's um yeah gosh gosh agali you know that's uh horrific circumstances
yeah um i thought there was another you know like like a lot of these girls that just come
up missing that's where they go man they're in that type of a situation until you know they take
a back home barium out out in some farm or or some other place you know and it's sad to say that but
it's it's the truth yeah yeah yeah and i remember that samantha went by she's the only one that i
that i ever said they did and he did not and that was no matter what she was screwed
did trump ever visit the brothel where trump was usually at the parties on the farms
just at the parties i i don't i i couldn't tell you who all went in there yeah
i can just remember lin dropping me off of there and just telling me how horrible it was gonna be
the whole trip and you know i stayed there forever long and yeah
and what year did lin commit suicide again where lin 1980 1980 no no no it was no no no it was
hold on if i can tell you sure that's helpful um let's see 2008 so recent that's right it was recent
live 28 for sure as well sure i saw william kyle's facebook profile post a lot of pictures of
cruise ship travel so um
i'm just going to pause recording here right now okay and yeah that's like um
in terms of extremity of malevolent psychopathic sadistic so so they shot patrician the torso
first and do you remember the description of the the i don't want to even call him a gentleman
the gentleman who was like shuffling on his feet and was uncomfortable about how much
pressure was suffering getting tortured i i what you would think of is like a
yeah country boy a big country boy you know beards and a little bit of hair you know
um yeah just so just larger country boys and i couldn't even tell you like they're
there's more thing and just larger people dressed in what you would consider just kind of country music
type of attire yeah and blue jeans and you know button up uh cowboy type shirts yeah so they that's
what all of them look like okay so when they they had guns you said you remembered one and then
two or three maybe four of them had guns one of them shot patrician the chest they tortured
and raped patricia the one hill billy was uncomfortable and said just ended to kill patricia
but they how long did they continue torturing patricia before they shot patrician they had
if i had to guess i'd say probably in in the realm of 30 minutes or so
30 minutes i can remember that that one or more of them raped her not everybody wanted
to people one only one person really seemed exceptionally uncomfortable about the whole
thing and didn't want to be there yeah and patricia said patricia wanted to die that was
what you remember patricia saying to you to kill patricia like or that patrician saying
they had beaten her like so badly i don't know if all of them had beaten her but one of them
knew that they were going to kill her and she just said please just kill me something to that effect
yeah and yeah and said just fucking ended or just yeah well why did you shoot you know shut
your mouth or would we give her the two bodies or something you know uh that may not have been
the exact conversation but that was the you know there was blood on it they said no that it
wasn't like and then trump came in the room yes now in terms of you said you didn't remember if
there was any cameras there was patricia getting killed film do you remember seeing any cameras at
all i do not remember seeing any cameras at that time so if there was a way to record it
was a setup interrupted yeah right and so there were no cameras or anything that we were
unless there was some sort of a mirror two-way mirror and something set up behind it that's
do you remember whether there was any sort of it would have been uh i'm sorry i'm sorry but
go ahead it's a lot from a from a logic perspective i don't think it would have been recorded
because those those six people were in that room too so five six four however many was i think it was
five or six um they would have been in the whereas you know the cameras was there you just know she
got shot yeah so in the room was there somewhere there where there might have been a people
there could have been like maybe even yeah and you said your sense what they had said what
they tried to convey to you is that they knew trump was coming in the room after like trump had
hired them to yes torturing patricia wanted to gun at me and said there's gonna be an old boy
comes in here and you know real southern drawl there's gonna be an old boy comes in here you
go do whatever he says or i'ma put a bullet in you too and he called me something little hill
billy flock or whatever he whatever he called in that that was the one that had yeah well i'm
trying to just get a sense in terms of because seems obviously of that that obviously they knew
about trump that trump wouldn't just like stand in the hallway and cool cool as heels
is the sort of situation right like from what you've described what i know of what i know
trump that trump would have wanted to hear what was going on or watch
that's possible i can't remember the exact layout of the room or that trump just wanted yeah
or trump just wanted you terrorized when trump came into the room later
it definitely wanted me afraid yeah there's there's no doubt about that or whether that was
from his psyche to give him some protection because you know make me more pliable i guess
in in terms of acquiescing to whatever he he wanted to do yeah and i can just remember
thinking i'm gonna kill this somebody if i can you know around we would say 12 years old ago
he wasn't she well that's again that's that's understandable context you know there's a lot of
you know policy legislation it's called law per country where you know that that's a situation
extreme circumstances when you're you're acting in self-defense you have no idea at that point
whether they might just come in and kill you right after they'd said if you didn't do what
they call trump the old an old boy the old boy wanted that they'd shoot you in the head
as well oh yeah but you know because yeah well you know there are folks that are financially
wealthy that aren't as utterly horrifyingly malevolent you sure right right you sure my
adult me knows knows that but but there are a lot there's obviously a lot you you encountered
the worst of the worst without question i am hopeful though that they have already made
one connection and if they do any more digging all they're going to do is find more connections
yeah because mine you know at least and probably even a few years before that yeah
so we're talking 45 years yeah let's look into databases also carry a uh a sidearm yeah
yeah so i in terms of ed opperman i would be careful i wouldn't contact him if ed contacts you again
is the sort of situation where um
if you had any idea like in terms of who was corrupt and who isn't corrupt it'd be like
more like you know in terms of investigations i think when i have some contacts in terms of
human rights lawyers and so on and that might be where we find some more Dudley do rights
that could help in even in terms of like prosecutors whether the United States
and the ICC and so on there's one or two Americans that have been involved in civil
rights one involved in civil rights cases that um i think might help
that might be able to help um yeah so um
okay day by day um once i get i'll get sort of a preliminary list during the next couple of days
and um i'll get the audi files i'll get a look at them get them sorted look at getting them
uploaded onto a proton drive and just sort of simmer with things we can sort of go through the
list i wanted to sort of go conversation by conversation in terms of folks i'm waiting for
callbacks from some that might have suggestions in terms of prosecutors here in canada and then
i just want to make sure in terms of careful contacts with i don't want to waste time talking
to americans that i don't want to waste time speaking to americans that say they're going to
behave helpful and that don't help it's it's not right you know right right so and i want to be
extremely careful in terms of americans just you know because of the circumstances so in your
case i think it would be a good idea just prudent just to have a go bag packed you know
just like i always do oh good you know what i would do if you would send me a text or something
just with what you generally have in your go bag just is because that's helpful for me for me to
to have a look at just in terms of you know earthquake preparedness and so on and stuff i'd
love to have a look at what you guys it's it's funny that you say that because i was just right
yeah yeah okay yeah a lot of folks that travel here they're they're shocked by how you know
most of the canadiens they come across are like super helpful and it used to be that way here
honest with you from somebody that's been here you know how it's an us versus them and if you're
on the red team you you're bad and if you're out of it just seems performative anymore
from both sides to to a degree but yeah one side is definitely if you just look at the money
more corrupt in my opinion i could be wrong yeah no it's quite different it's quite different
indeed so okay well let's you know radio silence with everyone else keep in touch with those
alan analysis folks might be interesting i'll see about us get a better sense of things
about you know a conversation with them maybe okay you and i and and the folks from out did
you talk to anyone at the crustacean crusty and yet i have not i i answered them back but they have
not reached back out to me if they could make a connection to either william sasha riley my legal
name now man most sasha borrows my name before it was changed or william k riley or with them
if they did reach back out because i certainly don't want to brush them off i think we shall see
yeah i think if they follow up just again it's i just have a really strong sense that should really
be radio silence um i'd really like to see in terms of speaking to some ethical prosecutors or
yeah yeah yeah well they don't have any they don't those perpetrators don't have any saying
in the matter so exactly exactly yeah sounds good enjoy the rest of the day
and um i'll look forward to checking in soon you do as well thank you okay bye bye okay so i'm
recording right now so yeah looks like um so there's obviously a lot of activity i've seen
graham was was asking for a special counselor to get appointed to investigate obama for treason
so seems to me like you know what this was what we were speaking about yesterday
you know the very fundamental question is what sort of crimes are the republicans willing to
attempt to commit to try to squash this story well it doesn't seem like there's anything that's
off the table um you know if if and this is just speculation you know i've read things that
suggest it but i wouldn't present it as fact but if they have already used the system to silence
epstein then you would have to make the logical conclusion that there is no
there is no barrier you know for them other than what they believe they may get away with
that would you know that that would just be where i would where i would be from a logic standpoint
if if i were you know if i were questioned on what i thought yeah i understand so let's
sort of run through a few things so i spoke i called the the federal rcp yesterday and unfortunately
they just referred me back to a local priest like a look to the local police here which they
can only really do anything if it's is tied to vancouver island and the only way it could seem
like it's tied to vancouver island if there's like you know some sort of threat or something
that being said i did have a long conversation with the police officer who had some interesting
feedback and um a um towards the end of the discussion that the officer said well the
officer mainly said what the officer needs is even to to write up an investigation to get
referred to their intel department and then to the right agency they need some corroborative
not so much evidence in the films but just reports like you know do you have a copy of
your military the years you're in the military do you have any copies of the cps reports and
stuff because they have some of those documents they can include then to write up so then goes
into their intel department and off to the right agency okay so that's what i sent you um an email
love but i we can talk about that in a minute because i think there's some optics there we
want to be careful how we're asking those questions right in terms of flags so but then the officer
the officer a the officer offered to store the audio securely and b the officer offered to
listen to the audio while you know i said and what about we get some of these
documents what can the officer look at and the officer said then you know then the officer
can write up a longer police report with something that sort of corroborates um and by corroborate i'm
not talking about like the films or anything just like some starting point in terms of an
investigation to refer to their intel group and then to another agency whether it's like a
you know regarding national security or whatever so
so
i have an idea yeah all right so in 1989 i was uh housed at a behavioral hospital in alabama it's
called uh charter woods memorial hospital or mental hospital i'm not sure um
um my parents had accused me of being on drugs so i wasn't not that i not at that point in my life
i have experimented with drugs since but not as a child not willingly as a child so anyway
that would have been the first time that i talked about donald trump specifically by name
so i'm gonna go there as soon as i get my bike back it could be as early as tomorrow
but i'll take a little road trip and see if i can't get that paperwork the hospital itself has
been closed down but as i understand it all medical records have to be stored in the uh
medical archives and i forget which city that's in but it's alabama's not very far from me so
i'll take a trip down there and see if i can retrieve those because that in my mind is the
best connection that i have because i mentioned him by name that was the first time that i did that
yeah okay so that's that's great now i think with the information if you can't get from them i know
you can file a freedom of information act request my only concern was that we really look at if
you suddenly start filing all these requests on police reports and cps reports would that flag
anything and i don't want to talk to any journalists that i don't to get them to flag i was hoping
police requests and i'm even looking carefully at you know how could i look at requesting
or can i do so somehow anonymously so that's what i'm trying to sort of sort a bit there
what the what else no that's that would be extremely helpful information obviously those
files the other one that you can request that would help would be anything from your
interview at fork arson okay are you comfortable to well my biggest thing there would just be
i would just you know the the military isn't like if i were to contact fork arson now they would
have no idea what i'm talking about i'd have to track down those people yeah that were involved
in that investigation and that is possible i'm still in contact with some of the people
that i served with from that time so i would just need to reach out to some people and see if that
if that's a possibility yeah that seems like that um
so don't contact fork art like if you what i was hoping is we could get like a copy of
your interview from fork arson but i understand with us military all sort of
classifications that might be difficult it might be yes but they would have records of the films
that's the thing they would yeah they would have i would think they have copies somewhere
is that they possibly would unless they destroyed them yeah i don't know what the the the rules of
evidence are in something like that um very possibly they they could i mean seems like
what we could start with is with was it bales and the other fellow that that if you could try
to contact them and ask them you know if they would be willing to to talk about it yeah
and just say it's extremely confidential isn't with any that it's that it would be confidential and
and so on like that it's just like a starting point there right well i will reach out in that
direction and see what i can what i can what i can reach and as soon as i get my bike back
i will take a little trip been kind of wanting to go for a ride anyway so yeah well let me ask
you a question like do you think is there any way that they could be like if you even reaching out to
them might trigger anything in terms of um not from their end um if if like uh if i'm being monitored
you know if i'm being passively you know surveilled in some way then maybe but
i don't know there's so much going on that i i i would not think that
too many resources would be dedicated to me you know kind of just uh the everything that's
going on i doubt i doubt it would raise any flags not less i could see potentially if
i started going and trying to get my cps reports and and uh you know contacting
texas tensi alabama in florida trying to get the police reports from my childhood
i could see maybe that raising a red flag yeah but as far as just me reaching out to my old
army buddies i i don't i don't think so i think i could probably communicate with them see what
they remember um so my suggestion is that before you reach out to the your old army buddies that you
get those the paperwork from the hospital first because that's a very important starting point
just in case you're reaching out to your buddies would in any way trigger anything
and you can travel there safely to and from and so on okay okay so yeah let's get the paperwork
from the hospital and then we can look at reaching out to the army buddies afterwards
um and then whatever of those copies will just figure out how you can just photograph them and
and and i think um with proton mail there's something called proton drive and there's like
a certain amount of gigabytes of storage in fact i just uploaded one of the audio recordings
and proton drive because i'm looking at how is most effective to get to the police officer
once i go through those other audio recordings and like and then on a positive like the audio
how great the audio recordings will be stored on a victoria police department's secure server
but the bank so that that's something that's important i feel much better about that actually
as a starting point so okay and then um i think now one of the what the police officer said
well let's talk about some of those in terms of like the investigation that's the sort of
you know from their perspective they look and they say okay how do they know you're telling
the truth and i said well when you hear the audio recording so you'll hopefully you can discern
right you know some folks some folks are different you know like no the police officers you know got
lots of experience and you know i know the police officers approach to hearing the audio files
would be quite different than than sometimes how they might look so they're asking well how
did you where did i meet you you know those sort of questions and i said well i offered to
help you know i tried to provide the right context so in terms of um you know i know what
sort of questions folks will ask and so some of the folks like something that in terms of
documentation that helps in terms of with the police is that you know that yeah you were you
were at the army do you have like a document that says what you're doing service that you
send me that we can start filing oh yeah yeah i got a dg2 14 that that uh that gives you my years
of service yeah i can cooperate that like in the next few minutes as soon as i get off the phone
oh sure that's perfect because then i can send um when i send a link to the audio files i can
send an email um with the document anything that we have that would help to provide
context right now even before she's listening to the audio files yeah yeah i can i can upload my dd2
14 my most current one and it'll have both periods of service it'll have all my schools all my awards
it'll have everything so it's it's a i don't know how familiar you are with uh uh the military
but whenever you uh ets whenever one of your uh term is up they give you that document and
it's basically your entire career encapsulated into mine's two pages long yeah so yeah i have no
problems sending that to you um and she has relatives she just to context i was gonna say she has relatives
in the military so she has some context in terms of military family so okay um the only thing i might
redact off with that is my social security number and i would only do that by putting uh
like a little piece of paper or something where the social security number is sure um
just in case it gets passed around i just you know don't want my social security number
to have access and i won't even redact the whole thing i'll leave my last four or something
yeah that would be perfect because i think that's pretty standard in canada documents
just the last couple of digits okay i'll i'll do that as soon as we get off the phone like i
know right where that's at that's in my go back awesome now then another thing to ask in terms of
with the military when you were questioned did you do they give you any documentation when you
were questioned about the films do you have any notes from those years or anything no nothing like
that okay i could just remember getting pulled into the office and and really the only question
was you know these these movies are obviously older how old were you when when you did them
is that you and how old were you when you did it yeah and uh you know i said without seeing the
movie i couldn't tell you but it started at nine and ended it you know i remember it starting out
at about nine and then it ended around 13 so about the same thing i told you um that hasn't
changed over the years okay uh it is possible however that nine is just where i begin to remember it
and it it is very possible that it was happening before that so if i'm inaccurate that would be
the only way that i am being inaccurate it's just not remembering more okay well i think when we have
some further discussions sort of you know i know how i can ask some questions that might help a bit
with memory but like i say i'm really um focus on what's actually empowering you know
so in terms of like
like what you feel more freedom about what's most helpful you know
all right
so well well that's okay so that's a good start um those documents are great and you don't have
do you have any copies of like the when you when did you first so there's the stuff from when you
were younger cps report any mentions of the police incidents those ones are super super
important but we've got to figure out a different approach of getting those because
that would be a red flag if you're asking and if there was any surveillance on the telephone
call i'm even careful about requesting so i'm trying to figure out what sort of requests we
can get in there how we can get that information like that's where i was hoping i i actually even
forgot to tell you i sent an instagram message extremely vague to alan analysis he hasn't gotten
back to me yet but i'll tell you what i said um howdy do you signal i'd like to ask you some
questions and provide some information carefully i've been helping an individual you've been helping
signal chat time sensitive and all i was i'm not going to tell alan anything about our
discussion i was going to only ask him after i get a better sense of him if he could
share with you the yeah the connection that he has yeah that would certainly be helpful
yeah and if he has like um because we've got your text messages but like if he can like
provide copies of what exactly he saw in the epstein files or pointers to where we can download
them that's that's good thinking i like that yeah and i will i will send you that
and i'll the states where this happened are problematic just because of how red they are
texas obvious tennessee's just as red if not even even more so alabama is in the same boat and so
is florida you know um if if if like one of the states had been massachusetts or delaware
or something like that i would be it's not even a matter of being comfortable asking for it it's just
like you said of drawing attention and if we're not trying to do that at this point it might
but if there is some sort of way even electronically to try to request that yeah i mean i know with
i don't know i'm just thinking i think like what the constable said is that and i did do a little bit
of research like the constable said you know that those are requests the constable i don't
think the constable was quite totally comprehending in terms of safety like the constable is still
sort of thinking in terms of well what could the constable looked at to corroborate i think when
the constable hears testimony and sees some documents will be helpful right just some folks
are better when they see more um absolutely so i think you know because the constable said you
know you can request all those documents freedom of information act that i could even request them
from canada but what you and i are concerned about is roy black right just it's just weird
and i said to the constant it's just it's could just be coincidence but abundance of caution
we're careful because obviously um the information on roy black and i mean
nobody seems to really have looked much at howard um howard it we and kyle at all and
it's just a bit odd that suddenly there's roy black drops dead a day after we've
spoken on on an oak you know on a with a call dropout so right all right well i will i will forward
you those things and i will start getting me an itinerary to go down to alabama to probably be
monday tuesday wednesday of next week something like that and it's contingent on me getting my
motorcycle back okay so uh i i just spoke to the guy yesterday the part was on order as of
monday it was supposed to be in today or tomorrow at the latest apparently it's not that difficult
to put on and after it's on i should be good to go okay so i'm hoping to get the bike back
as early as tomorrow or um early next week at the latest unless of course that part doesn't
yeah so something else then so then i'm just sort of like question mark in terms of how to get at
those files um all those other sort of reports because those are helpful contexts but the hospital
one is is quite helpful but the other reports are really important because there's police
you know because wasn't didn't you said there was a police report filed regarding
the complaint to samantha regarding samantha oh yeah there was a whole investigation that involved
the fbi and the local police because when they first got her the only thing she had was like a uh
little plastic bag of uh like one change of clothes so we went and and and in the beginning they weren't
you know hurting her they they just had us both there um and there was a witness at the shoe
store that we went to um that that remembered both of us because you know we were kids and and
it it was her being a black girl and me being a white kid it was it was just something that
stood out to the uh to the witness there she was a slender black lady and she i know she was
part of the investigation because she thought something was fishy even in the store um
just the way that lin was acting lin was the one that actually took us out to get these clothes
but yes there was an investigation and nothing came out of it but there was there was it was
more than just like a welfare check or something like that they came and did a full investigation
they did find blood in the room that we're being stored in and i was as a result of that
investigation turned into cps again so and that was your second time at cps oh it was at least
the third time i had been referred to cps that that would have been in alabama i had already
been referred to cps in tennessee during the year that we lived there and i'd been
referred into the cps system in texas so texas tennessee and alabama i was referred
into the cps system and then in florida the beach incident at the riptide uh uh area that generated
another investigation the the sheriff came down did a uh uh witness statements and all of that
from the guy that fished me out of off the sandbar brought me in um they did interviews and then
we left uh from the beach went home and the sheriff in alabama came and talked to my dad so
there it was a across both of those uh states so there was at least a precursory investigation
even if all that was was a welfare check but it went through the um the sheriff's office the police
stationed there in dubrock in alabama let me ask you a question when the investigation when they found
blood in the room where you and samantha were were held did they did they experience awareness
samantha died or had samantha's body being moved already so they were investigating
they were investigating samantha's body had already been moved and the only thing that
they had was the one eyewitness account and what they told the police was that she was a runaway
that they took in for a period of time and then she ran back away so they never even saw samantha's
body no no as far as i know it's never been recovered so samantha's body was never recovered
as far as i know it has not been um but that blood in that room was from her
because that was the thing it did not match any of us and it was hurt okay now um let's see
so samantha's body wasn't recovered there was a full full investigation and you said
you told the fbi what you remembered or you told the police that i i told the police many many
years later many years later okay but not right then many years later yes i i don't think i was even
allowed to speak to the that's what i recall okay no that's okay that's what i remember you said
yes years later so let's just jump forward a bit in terms of you told the police when you
filed your police or fbi reports yes later so what years did you file those reports
would have been around 2021 2020 maybe 2020 2021 yes okay so and then you told the police
yes i said and and you know i i really tried to stick with the things that could be verified like
going back and looking at the your investigations and stuff like that i remember
or more stuff that that you can't get anything to really corroborate so you know i just tried
to focus on okay well i know this generated a police report i remember this generated a
police report so i just stuck to those things which was kind of the same thing that i did with
with you you know um now i don't actually have those police reports but
they should exist yeah and those again are ones that you can request copies of those police reports
or fbi reports and that's one of the questions the the constable asked me and i think it's helpful
just in terms of perception perception the constable said well why don't you have copies
of the police reports and i said well i would ask you that that's you know early in our
discussions um let me ask you a question when you got the police reports and so on that was
2020 21 i mean i know that when i filed complaints you don't usually get a copy right away you have
to request the report right so when you file those reports they what's the standard in the
united states they offer you copies is it just assumed that you would have to request a copy of
those reports i can go i mean that lawton is just 30 something miles away i can go and
and request you know the deposit the disposition of that case i'm sure it's been closed
um but i can go request it yeah okay i can do that one just i just i don't think that that
would raise any red flags let me let me see let me go tomorrow and and and see if i can get a copy
of that one that one might be the the easiest the most attainable one for me to get right now
okay i don't have to cross any state lines or anything to go get that so the and the lawton
one is from 2020 2021 ish yes i could be wrong on that i just i'm i'm in my mind i'm thinking i
still had my cheap so that would have been around that time because i was trying to remember what
vehicle i drove and that was the first time as an adult that you'd filed police report right
let me yes okay yes and did you file an fbi report during the same year or i reached out to the fbi
and spoke to them on uh first through social media and then uh um we did a follow-on uh back
and forth but but that was it i never went to like the fbi building and sat down and gave a
deposition or anything like that his response was just to go to the local police and that would
that should trigger a larger scale investigation so that's what i did um to the best of my recollection
i i reached out to the fbi in the beginning because i knew that the fbi had been involved
in the one in uh alabama in that investigation in alabama with uh in regards to samantha
and also they were involved in the uh investigation that landed uh the parents of the girl that i did
the one movie with in tennessee in jail i know that the fbi was involved in that one as well so
i figured they were as the larger scale operation they would be the ones to go to but they then
referred me back down to the local police so what occurred with me yesterday when i was trying to
get in touch with somebody more an international policing with the rcmp they they seem to
whatever their sort of procedures are they seem to sometimes get a little caught up in
following procedures instead of thinking like of the specifics of each case so
i understand so okay so you talk to this fbi they told you to go to the police
you filed the police report and you can get a copy of the report in motton
yes now i'll do that tomorrow okay so friday will you just sort of like just let's sort of set a
sort of standard about check in with me morning and evening wellness checks okay i would just
feel better yeah absolutely okay i will get you that that the uh the dd 214 i'll get you that
yes and then and then the the medical the paperwork from the hospital that's a little bit more of a
of a of a of a involved process but yeah sure i don't i don't mind right okay right down to alabama
and grabbing that okay so dd 214 police report paperwork from hospital then we're looking at
for the army buddies for karson army buddies yes and while we're sort of sorting out in terms of
all the other police reports you mentioned in would you be mentioned in the report where
the other girls parents were charged yes yes because they investigated my parents they
they knew it was me in the video they just didn't have enough evidence to convict my parents
they got the girls parents because even though they were careful not to show the faces of us
the children in the in the film they had enough identifying features of the house of the basement
where we filmed the film and it was uh it was the uh the house of the parents of the girl
is where we filmed it okay so those yeah so those are really important reports to get
but we've got to figure out how to get those safely because those could certainly if there's a bunch of
those that you request they could get flagged i need to sort of simmer about because there's all
requests that we should be getting all of those in all um but maybe starting with that report
i'll just see figure out yeah let's kind of noodle a bit about getting those safely
because it's simple enough to request the reports i just don't want you to request the reports
although sometimes they can't get them you can get them faster in terms of victim reports but
what is this be really careful right um right and then um super i just feel like super careful
with alan as well right because i was looking at some of alan's posts and alan seems to like to
sort of post about you know when alan's posted something that the mega republicans have
gotten angry at so we want to be careful that alan didn't um not to speak say a bunch of swear words
fuck shit up i kind of got that from the ed opperman reports yeah and my concern i'm telling you
there when you mentioned amanda i'm like you know there's just something odd about ed opperman
either ed opperman is like sort of a sleazy ambulance chaser or ed opperman's a sleazy
ambulance chaser and there's some connection in terms of like some different layers of the trump
imps din pedophile enterprise that they were using pilots and pis to recruit traffic and
silence victims yeah i think that would be an accurate deal yeah so okay well this stuff is
sort of helpful starting um i really again like super quiet until after monday or tuesday for sure
super careful i think it would really help us not even look at the news much i'm because i don't
um just like super selective looking at the news i think because there's might be a lot of
announcements suddenly and we don't want to behave distracted or blindsided
well i have been being very careful so i will continue to do that and i will get you those papers
here just to be awesome now i just wanted there's something else i was going to ask you
i guess we covered most of it right now um
um oh yeah just like in terms of getting a copy gets information from alan in terms of
either a link to where in the public archives the mention is of william kyle or
you know alan to send you copies screen even screenshots is a start and a link
okay i haven't been back in contact with him since since i gave you that information but okay
we're getting your paperwork right now and seeing what i got here
oh all right has alan posted recently have you noticed i have not i've only had the the
interactions that i've discussed with you with him okay so outside of that
yeah it looks like last time was 20 hours ago here's my dd2 14 awesome okay yep fight on top
woohoo oh and it's already redacted
hmm perfect it's ready to send all right i'll send those to you in just a minute
awesome oh just a second okay yeah i was just checking that okay yeah no we're good
um yeah get those off to me and um
um i feel like um yeah i'm i'm gonna snorkel a bit okay sounds good hit some golf balls yesterday
i'm gonna snorkel a bit and stuff and then i'm just sort of pacing in terms of get it going
through those audio but it's at least it's all underway now and so on and i'll get some other
copies to some other folks today all right sounds good and i'll get you these these uh
you'll get them in the next five minutes probably sounds good all right talk to you in a little bit
talk to you soon bye bye bye um i'm gonna i just are you okay if i record right now yeah okay you
can't okay well you know what was going on there in alabama where they got caught with those
10 kids um that's just essentially what i came from you know something like that and i as i
understand it five of the kids out of the 10 were related to the people running the operation
the trumpets during operation yes and you know in as much as as as these people are
going to go down they were working for somebody yeah so you know i'm sure that those and they
deserve to go to prison and all of that stuff but they were running this deal and filming
their films and doing all the things that they were doing for somebody else so whoever i mean
epstein's not running anymore gets laying Maxwell's in prison but i would i would just about guarantee
that wasn't the end of it yeah so with those when we were just um discussing with the parties
those those torture parties with the girls at the brothels they'd go to the parties
and often they didn't come back from the parties we summarize again what
what what was going on there well sometimes they would go to the party and they would
they would be uh beaten to death or tortured to death um at the party by the client other
times they would go to the party um and depending on the i know sometimes the status of the person
that that uh that the girls had been an escort for would be problematic because they wouldn't want
to leave like a witness so you mean like just an individual that was considered high profile
yes i couldn't name names on that i don't know who but uh yeah sometimes they didn't want to
leave the uh the girl alive
so how often when the girls from the brothels would go to the parties
how often did the girls not come back if i had to guess i'd say like half the time half the time
yeah the parties weren't something that happened all that often you know like
it'd be around like the federal holidays and stuff like that labor day you know uh
was it July where you typically would would think of as a four-day weekend
yeah and you know not all of them had parties uh well i guess all those big weeks have parties but
you know uh not all of them were were those type of parties where they had underage
people i guess so i don't know i don't know how that was that part was organized
yeah yeah so they seem to tie the parties with holiday weekends and things where
could be presented sort of like oh they were just it was a labor day party
oh it was like a christmas holiday parties some parties at the locations but
was always where the parties were then dwindled to tell eight or ten of the more depraved pedophiles
yeah this was when a lot of the more depraved torture and rape and murder occurred correct
yes okay and i just think that that's an important distinction because a lot of those people that
did go to those parties and might have done some cocaine and might have you know had a an affair
or or whatever with a an escort it just doesn't rise to the level of what happened towards the end
of them then that's a different you know there's an illegality of what happened in the beginning
of that but then there's you know obviously there's there's different levels of of everything
so and i think to some degree the people that that were were waiting there to the end of the party i mean
they're using all of those other big names and stuff that may have done things that they're not proud
of as cover yeah you know it couldn't have possibly happened at this party because hey you know
everybody and their brother was at that party well i think they were probably yeah and i think they
were probably trying to get information on all of those attendees and sort of to use as a
a protective blackmail layer regarding the more depraved torture and murder of American children
yeah did you ever in those years did you ever see any one other than american children
okay
let me ask you another question now something i think just contextually and just more to to
get a sense i know it's not what you would want to swear in a bible because here recollection is
unclear but you know you talked about you know that there are individuals that that you thought
might have been involved that you said parties that that had assaulted you are you are you okay
to talk about some of those individuals now i'm asking specifically to to get more context
but specifically especially in terms of how we're looking at proceeding prosecutorially
i would make sure we're talking to the right folks especially considering how many folks
did attend some of those bigger parties before these whittled down to the the hardcore tortures
i've really kind of shared the people that that i have a clear recollection of the rest of it
kind of melds together into something that i that i can't i can't verbalize well enough to
make an accusation in any direction yeah you know and then for some of that type of stuff you just
kind of just go off into another place there's really no other way i can describe it yeah so i
mean you you you you deal with the aftermath but as far as the actual incidents incidents
most of them are blurred out you know and you said in terms of the parties with the girls with
the brothels that um well they didn't come back that they were sort of sold they were told that
the girls had gone on to the mansion or to maybe somewhere a mansion overseas to
kind of live out their dreams but in cases the girls were either tortured and beat to death at
the parties or sometimes shot yes and what would you say was the average age of the girls there
if i had to guess an average i'd say 13 13 right a couple maybe a year or two younger a bunch of them
around that age and then and by a bunch i don't think there was ever more than five or six there
at a time but even in the short time that i was there you know it was samantha was the only
one that was there when i had gotten there i think yeah so and you said so five at a time at the brothel
okay something like that and then at the parties when the one when it was just like the the
age or 10 of the more depraved pedophiles how many kids at the parties then
just you know maybe a couple a couple two or three yeah
so eight to ten adults and two or three children
and you said the adults would vary party to party but some of the adults were similar
or the adults were different party to party uh there were faces that you you
that that i saw more than once and you know in in being able to recognize people i i i have given
all the ones that i really kind of recognize yeah but you would get a sense of of who was
more safe than others yeah yeah my sense is that how that was sort of organizational
structured is that there there were sort of satellite setups that there was more use of
the smaller airports and even the smaller planes to transport and there was use of
private investigators to recruit and then get intel even kidnap and then silence victims
and that they did use the bigger parties to provide sort of criminal cover
for the more targeted parties and that they try to keep a tight lid on the targeted parties in
terms of the number of pedophile participants and the number of children per party in terms of victims
right
and there could have been other locations like you said you didn't experience awareness of where
the perpetrators would target different victims in different locations two or three at a time
i'm sure that they had i don't know it was almost so yeah it would be hard for me to believe
that it was only happening in that one place i i never went to a different place that i can recall
but yeah i would think sorry go ahead oh no no it's okay and do you have any sense of where
like you've spoken you said there was lots of farms different locations but
were you taken more often to one specific farm that that you seem to remember more
is that correct no um there was one in tennessee that i went to a couple of times
and then another one in alabama a couple of times and then i can't really remember
specifics other than those four yeah
and then one let's see we went back to that one that was those two times
yeah that's that's really all i have much of a recollection of i know that i attended more
things than just that it's just that as far as the specifics go yeah in terms of
some of them go back you know like nine years old yeah
okay so um i'm asking a bit like i say in terms of like
figuring out sort of simply in terms of finding the right prosecutorial support
and in terms of carefulness of us getting those copies of those reports like it's sort of a
weird chicken and the egg thing in terms of like you know some of the police departments they'd want
to look at copies of reports but we want to get those copies of their support safely without
triggering anything in terms of united states surveillance
well i all i can do is ask them you know like if we're if if i'm being watched
then they're gonna see what i do but i don't know i can't really worry about it
no you can't you can't you can't
i mean what's what's your sense in terms of what's really right for you
i have no idea to be honest uh yeah i'm kind of curious i want to go up there and get that
police report and if if i'm able to get that then i'm excited to try to get the the next thing
but i just have to make some headway somewhere yeah well let's just go report by report and
i'll figure out i know that there's a bunch in terms of freedom of information act requests
i want to talk to the police officer again here i mean obviously whatever the police over sir
talk to the the police officers in the intel division they they wanted to call me so
could i say i'll follow up and i'll say look we have these other reports
i can say to them see if we get sort of the document i've got out filled out a bit in terms of
list of evidence you can just to say here there's there's a you know just list of the number of
police reports from childhood cps reports all those ones and then we can just sort of look at what
we've requested get some information then i can when i get the the flash drive or the audio to the
different documents to the police officer to listen to then i can say here look this is what
we've worked on been working on so far and i'll just tell her my concerns in terms of we ask for
a bunch of these reports is it going to fly anything you know that would be in any way
you know considering the situation i'll just ask if they can run the reports
even or who they could tell me that could run the report some of those reports
um that i could ask if the police department can't there must be somebody else who i can
speak to on vanker island i can just run those reports for or an auto war or something without
flagging anything some of the journalistic organizations where there's tons of requests
going through i just want to be super careful um in terms of where the request comes from
you know just so there isn't any inadvertent attention on you right
you know obviously i'm right part of me i said i am fried i'm gonna have to let you go i got a
i got a uh i gotta listen to music man yeah no no don't don't worry are you are you okay
yeah i'm i'm okay this just really takes me to a kind of a dark spot man and i just i i kind of need
to i need to listen to some music for a while okay no i understand enjoy some music enjoy
some quiet and um you know take care all right i'll i'll talk to you later okay i'll talk to you
bye bye