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Okay. So I just want to clarify in terms of date, July 18th, 2025, my full name, Leason

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Welvolding, and Riley, do you want to state your name and any other names?

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My name is William, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt. My name

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is William Sasha Riley. I was born Manuel Sasha Barberos.

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Okay. Well, my legal name is William Sasha Riley at this time. Okay, and I'm just so

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we're clear I'm based in Victoria versus Columbia, Canada. I lived in the United

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States full-time for a bunch of years, but I was brought up in Canada. My

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citizenship's Canadian. We might be neighbors at some point because

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Canada is right now number two on the list of the countries that I am

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potentially going to move to. You know, I think it's a good place to look. There's a

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lot of there's a lot of Americans actually. I've spoken to Americans that I've

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said is I've told to come here and there's lots of Americans that have

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come to visit more and it's a lot more embracing inclusive of a culture. So, you

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know, it's quite lovely I recommend. In terms of what my approach really what

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I wanted to do is like to just really like a thorough discussion. You tell me

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everything that that you've been wanting to say and I'll ask some questions. This

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might be one of like however many how many discussions and I'll record them if

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it's one if it's 10 and what I'd like to do I'm sort of recording with an

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eye to a your testimony getting your testimony of what you you experienced

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what abuse you suffered and what you were witness to and an eye in terms of

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being able to to get into a format in terms of affidavits whether we look at

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getting help from the International Criminal Court because obviously what you

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know you and I have discussed already there's definitely a whole whack of

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crimes that that have been getting committed by a lot of folks and is

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even a case where there could be crimes against humanity charges in regards to

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Trump so and what else I'd like to do is is I'd like to look at whether whether you

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would be okay with you know me like transcribing and then publishing

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something I published newsletters selectively I have a newsletter called

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outlaws of chivalry I punch published once in a while and I was looking at

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perhaps publishing there if you're okay in terms of how it could help us in

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terms of getting the right legal support in terms of the international

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war court I am I am for whatever puts a light on this because in my mind the

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powers that be are already and you know the more light that is shed on there I

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don't think that I'm incurring more risk except for some maybe lunatic that

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wants to be a soldier for Donald Trump because they are a little a little

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crazy they're a little brainwashed but yeah I don't mind whatever would bring

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if we can get some of this stuff verified you know and I know that

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me speaking up is one thing but then the verification process yeah you know is

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important too and I have recognition software that taps into the uh you

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know it's not photography in my chain of command talked to me and they said

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hey you know some of these images some of the films or whatever that he had

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looked just like you and that was the first time I think I had ever talked

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to anybody about having done those films and I told them yes when I was a child I

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had to do those things yeah I let's talk a little bit more about that

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circumstance like so you were in the army what years were you in the army then

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um this would have been my second time in the army I rejoined in uh let's see

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2002 yeah and I retired in 2016 I was in uh from 91 to 98 as well

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so I did a little over 21 years but the time frame that uh they pulled me into the

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office and discussed that would have been around uh 2008 2009 time frame it was

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obviously was in garrison so it was between deployments yeah so around that time

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is when they talked to me and yeah I can just remember

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no way

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to go about you know anything at that point you know I didn't know what I could do about it if

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anything yeah so it was from when our our emails the um it was one of the fellow soldiers

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that was caught with a bunch of child pornography and then your commanding officer pulled you

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into the office to go through and said see you in the films I did not look at any of the

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films all they said was hey we had to look at some of this stuff and one of those people

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looks just like you and that's the first time that I had I think ever really spoken about it

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and I said yes you know those are probably me but I did not personally see them um but

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they just yeah can you talk about that a little bit here's what it was yeah

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yeah they when they pulled me in I can remember first aren't bayless was kind of red faced and

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he said have you ever made a movie with a black girl and I and you know that obviously was I mean

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I'm not a movie star so obviously that's a very odd question and I knew exactly what he was talking

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about when he said that so I said yes so he said okay well we have found some images that

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are of a sexually explicit nature on another soldiers and I said well they are me so he said

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and you look under age I think from that uh was part of their investigation to confirm that the

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images of the uh the participants in these films were under age so

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you know that was just a secondary verification that uh yeah I was only 12 or 13 at the time of that

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film maybe maybe even 11 so I mean obviously I'm not an adult and even when I was an adult at

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18 or 19 I still looked young so obviously at uh 11 12 of whatever I was in that film

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I would not have looked like a uh a mature uh an adult you know which is were a court

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marshal or if he just got uh UCMJ which is just their lower grade of uh punishment but I do know

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that he was chaptered out of the military over at that point he might have called the soldier's

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name they got caught with it I just knew he was uh an NCO a staff sergeant and was there any

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did anyone else ever talk to you about the the films again did they ever talk to did they ever

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infer that there was any further investigation in terms to when the films were produced did

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they ask you anything about who is involved or did they no no uh they they didn't they didn't

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go into any so when the military is a little bit different than than civilian uh you know I don't

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want to call it the court system they have their you know sphere of influence they have their

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little scope of operation and and if they uncover more I think that they're in uh required to

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give it to the civilian authorities but they don't have any jurisdiction to go further than to

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just prosecute the soldier for the infraction that he is guilty of if that makes sense the way I'm

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saying it no I understand do they have any duty or any is there any legality or do they have legal

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requirements to inform civilian prosecutors yes in such cases yes if if this one doing that

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is outside of having this material that he's not supposed to have yeah uh they prosecute that portion

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of it if it is beyond what they can prosecute then they refer the soldier to civilian court systems

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but in this case the military did think all he got was like 30 days uh and and reduction of

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rank that he wanted they kicked him out of the army gave him a less than honorable discharge I think I

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don't think he even got a bad conduct for that but uh it you know I know that he was put out of the

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military and I think he did the 30 days in jail I think is the most that they can give you at the

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um at that at the level that they they on the jail time but I do know for a fact he was he was

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put out of the military okay so they they they had filmed they had some of those films cable yes

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cable that was his last name h-a-b-b-l I think Staff Sergeant Hable I just remembered it if I could

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picture his face and I just couldn't remember his name cable okay h-a-b-e-l yes I'm relatively

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certain on that name I I don't have the yeah but I am I'm fairly sure that his name okay

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okay and in terms of the films they had so so there was obviously a collection of pornography

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any is there anyone you're in contact with of those you're commanding officers that would they

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talk to you would they provide evidence or is it a situation where Michael Michael Bayless is the

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only one that I remember speaking to about it I have not spoken to him since I left for Carson in

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2011 um I would think that he would probably remember if something like that just just the

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unusualness of it you know first sergeants deal with things day in and day out but I would

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I would think that he would remember that just because of how it's not every day that you have

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to deal with something like that you know um yeah but it is possible I think my commanding officer's

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name at that time was captain colisanto but I'm not sure because you get commanding officers come

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and go you know the first sergeants they they tend to stick around longer but commanding officers

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are a lot of times they're only there for a year or two and then they're off to the next thing

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so okay my recollection of the commanding officer may not be accurate what's the the

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spelling of his last name colisanto uh cola c o l a s a n t o okay saint cola yeah

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okay is there anything else you think would be helpful to to talk about right now about then

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the time frame that was the first time anyone had ever mentioned to you anything about the films

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other than when you were involved in filming is that accurate yes okay yes the first time that I can

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recall anybody that it ever coming up I always knew that they were um you know that the film

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can tell you that that some of them are are extraordinarily horrible I can give you one

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instance where they were filming us it was me and a girl that I knew was that the runaway

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that was another girl I can't even remember her name yeah the the runaway was tortured to death

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in a duplex and uh enterprise alabama my parents did that and we had that wasn't on film uh that

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her being tortured but uh that was uh that was that black girl that I'm telling you about that

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that later on uh michael balas had talked to me about but they went and got her vacation in

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Tennessee and they were afraid that that they would go down for child pornography so they were

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wanting to kill her and then they were wanting to get rid of me via an accident but they couldn't

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because they had already tried to kill me several times they had the incident in Texas

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involved in a Chevy van there was another incident in Texas where my dad threw me into the middle

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of a pool and said sink or swim in Texas where they uh my dad threw me down a flight of stairs

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and that one fractured my skull now there may have been other things that happened as well

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but I remember those three were uh uh enough that they generated an investigation

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there were enough things that happened in Texas that uh my dad moved from Texas to Tennessee

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and then got in trouble in Tennessee and then moved they got in trouble in Tennessee and then

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moved to Alabama got in trouble in Alabama and then we just moved one more time and you're

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Alabama your adoptive dad William Kyle Riley correct yes yes I don't I have um

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I have located my birth parents my birth mother lives in Sierra Vista and my birth father there

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of them um I just within the last year probably six months I learned where they live

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but as far as okay and your adopted dad William Kyle Riley worked as a pilot

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and was involved yes integrated he was involved in all kinds of things yeah and it worked a lot

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with Trump and Epstein correct he I I know that he was around Epstein and worked with Epstein

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and I want to say that he flew for Epstein and if not for Epstein directly um like

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transporting Epstein his company hosted it it wasn't just him it was kind of a cabal of

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several people and Epstein was the I guess the lead coordinator maybe you would call it

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but it it's much more than just him as an individual you know it was people like him

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like Trump isn't just a uh like an airline pilot or something like that he he can fly anything

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he can fly helicopters uh fixed wing you know he's that pilot that kind of that

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multi-purpose guy that could transport whatever you need it okay so I don't yeah I don't know

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if he ever got into the drugs I can remember him talking at one point and he had refused to do

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a drug run basically and somebody else took that drug run and they got busted yeah so I don't

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I don't know what kind of aircraft it was or whatever and it was a brown Florida that guy got

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busted they maybe flew down to the virgin islands or something like that I can't remember

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these specific details but I can remember the conversation that my dad had talking about

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thank god I didn't take that and because the guy got busted and he wound up you know

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huge amount of charges 25 to life or whatever the heck he got he was scared been involved in so much

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other criminality that he was really nervous about taking on anything else and I do no I understand

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I understand perfectly so your dad would obviously you know my understanding is your

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your dad was the kind of pilot that those sort of criminals would want to use because they could

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use them to fly any anything in any situation to airlift Trump out like you said when you almost

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killed Trump when Trump was assaulting me or I don't think my dad was the pilot in that one

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he wasn't the pilot in that case absolutely I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt no no that's okay

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so yeah I've got you know I've spoken to folks that you know they look for those sorts of

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pilots they want pilots that can get

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guests of traffickers into situations in and out discreetly trafficking victims in and out of

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situations discreetly and victims that they killed out of situations discreetly all sorts of

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nonsense so seems like and and that's what that's what he did he he showed the people

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but I can remember him yeah you know because in his mind if he got caught with some people

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he could just play dumb and I was just transporting this guy's kid you know from the you know here to

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there I didn't know anything so did your dad I go ahead I was did your dad transport the victims

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most often oh absolutely so more victims than guests I don't want to call them I would say

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more guests than than victims uh but he definitely transported both okay okay and that was either directly

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for Epstein like transport wasn't transporting Epstein so much as Epstein's victims and Epstein's

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guests and the client yes the clients but he was definitely around Epstein I can I can remember

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the one time that I can remember meeting both of them and I I they kept asking

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how to say uh Giff Lane's name because it was unusual and you know for whatever that was important

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to her you know yeah and what's your mom's name again uh her name was Mary Lynn Riley this would

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be my third mom because my my dad adopted me with a lady named Irene Ursula Liffke was her maiden name

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her name is Pierre now but those two adopted me he married Lynn collection of Mary Lynn Riley's

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involvement uh but she died via suicide a number of years ago uh okay now um what are you most comfortable

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to talk about next I mean let me ask some more questions in terms of the now you told me about

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Trump and about Biggs and about Jordan I feel like that's important to discuss some details

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and let me ask you a question do you think it's more helpful for you to talk about what you remember

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first when you were first trafficked the circumstances individuals involved or do you want to talk

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about some of the incidents that that we spoke about a bit by email already what's what do you

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think is helpful for you fill in whatever gaps in that that I can um I have spoken to you

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about most of what I remember clearly but I can I can give you some of the details

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with those three and that's why that's why I I am willing to talk about them you know there's no

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detail for anybody other than those three I can remember Jim Jordan I went to there I mean it

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was you could pin me then you could do whatever you wanted but my dad had taught me how to fight

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he had been a like a bare knuckle brawler earlier in his life and they got anywhere near me I would

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hit him and by the time that Jim Jordan assaulted me I was old enough that those adults not being

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most of them not being athletic in any way you know these are these are people that you know

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they're not fighters by any strategy but I didn't know how to wrestle so he assaulted me in

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front of a crowd and I think that it was filmed but I can't swear that it was filmed but it was in

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front of those 25 or 50 people um and how old that's why I remembered 12 when that happened and of those

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25 50 people oops sorry go ahead the reason that I remember Jim Jordan is first he stood out

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because he wasn't that much he's only like seven or eight years older than me so at the time frame

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that I'm I'm at 12 he's right around just graduating high school maybe maybe first year or two of

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college right so him being so much younger stood out and then I remembered his boy that he was running

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for a thing like that and I remembered Jim Jordan just from watching him on yeah that's why I remember

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him so clearly trying to kill him yeah because in my mind I thought uh well they're just gonna kill

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me too at some point right uh you know I'm not going to survive to be an adult from this so in my

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mind he was the biggest pilot ship that I had ever had to have any contact with so I was gonna take

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him with me and how often did Trump assault you remember I can remember too specifically

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the people that were kind of running that party he wanted to

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maybe he wanted something we've got to get rid of him anyway so if I can remember him taking

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those puppies one by one and like he snapped one of the puppies necks he cut one open and let it

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just howl and and and you know writhe in pain while it died held one under some water to kill

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it yeah he just be he wanted to hurt kill those puppies and and you know whatever gruesome way

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you know just to experience I guess seeing them suffer in different ways what his

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kink is I guess if you want to call it that is watching people suffer he likes to destroy

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people physically mentally during the process of the assault that's why he stands out so much

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in my memory you know and it's it's it's physical pain and then it's it's also

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you know degrading and and and all of that but his thing was to just try to destroy human

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beings to the to the utmost that he could possibly do it which is why I've acted yeah that's understandable

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so um I can tell you this the the last one up and and okay so this was after they had killed

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the uh Samantha this is the black girl that I made the the one of the movies with yeah um

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and these were let me just ask a question just to clarify so when Samantha was killed these were

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were all of these parties at the farm or similar locations to the farm

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where there was multiple farms multiple farms and usually it was parties so there was

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individuals like trump that were flown in to the parties and then they would have like a building

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you know a house and they would usually have like a tent set up and uh you know it was almost like a

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little I don't want to say a fair it wasn't that big they didn't have rides or anything but there was

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it was a kind of a coordinated deal you know uh you know you've got boxing and stuff like

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that on tv but that's really all you had back in the 70s and 80s they the you know the more

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the MMA type of stuff wasn't allowed and these fights were a little more gruesome they didn't

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they didn't fight to the death or anything like that but they were they were bloody and you know I mean

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these were these were fights you know and not just boxing and so the the uh rich people would

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pay to see that sometimes they'd have like a you know a band playing uh you know just like what

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you would expect it like a fair or something you know so the rich folks would get flown in

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associated with etstein and they would pay to watch the victims fight the victims were

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all underage and would they pay to then assault the victims after the fights or during the fights

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and they'd pay to torture the victims and rape the victims and kill the victims but now now

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some of the fights were adults you know so you know if they had some big old country boy and

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some other guy they they would pay to see that they would also pay to watch the kids fight and

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they did pay to watch me fight I would fight other kids and my dad was was my initial trainer

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wanted to be a boxer an amateur boxer but that's how I got my start in all of that

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so yes they would have paid for that um and the experiences were different uh each time there wasn't

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like a set thing you never really knew what was gonna happen so um you know part of it a lot of it

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just comes down to money you know so if they offered you know the dollar that's where I

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don't I don't know that isn't that isn't sex that that's that's sexual assault

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right I mean I just want to say something first I think okay you're extremely brave

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you behave extremely strong like a warrior and I just want to stop and say as important to me

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to say that because a lot of folks you know wouldn't even survive such trauma but you've

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you've survived and you you know you conduct yourself with with dignity and and gracefully and

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and I it is important to me to say that I hope you know that you know I hope you

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have a sense of your your own honor and chivalrousness especially what you told me in terms of drugs

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they used on you and how they lured you drug to to behave monstrous towards other kids you

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know I understand I can remember I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt but I can remember

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some law and there's some arm of law enforcement showing me video of me

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harming one of the people that they were filming me with now I don't know how that came

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drug me enforcement it may have been you know like the people that were running that

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but I can remember being really upset because I had no recollection of having done that it was

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me in the video and I was beating somebody while a girl senseless and I didn't kill her or anything

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like that but you know yeah so and I have a feeling you know this this part I can't prove

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because I you know I have I only have my own experiences but what then they get you on film

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abusing others and now they have you trapped as well yeah so you can't talk about the abuse

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that they did to you if they want you to be a legacy victim somebody that they can use in the

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future well then they've got to get you on tape doing monstrous things to other people as well

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because now they have to leverage to keep your mouth shut yeah no and you know what you're

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exactly right that's exactly the tactic and it's it's since the tactic is insidious because

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um have you ever heard of the the the torture technique a lot of a cult practitioners use

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it's called inversion inversion torture inversion magic isn't magic sorcery is just

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smoke and mirrors nonsense deception techniques but it's sort of inversion technique where to

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try to linguistically manipulate the victims to try to get the victims in a position where the

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victims doubt whether the victims you know good or not that's absolutely and I think that's the

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case with a lot of the republicans you mentioned like you said Clarence Thomas and Lindsey Graham

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were at these parties you can't remember if Lindsey Graham and Clarence Thomas participated

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and it's sort of a question of did they participate were they blackmailed because they were there

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attended the parties but they didn't participate can you tell me much more about Clarence Thomas

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and Lindsey Graham I I know the least about him the only reason that I can remember him

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is because he was a black man and uh uh was very unusual so he stood out but the only thing

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that I can really say is that I remembered him being there and then I remember what a big deal

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it was in our household when he got confirmed on to the Supreme Court yeah uh because my dad was

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excited about that because of how high up he was now I don't I can't swear I may have been

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assaulted by Clarence Thomas but I cannot swear to that if he did assault me then it was not

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to the level of something that scared me to the point where I needed to remember it if that's a

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good way to put that which you know rose to that and Andy Biggs rose to that and Jim Jordan rose

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to that because he was dangerous to me because I could keep most people away from me it was my

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fists but you know he he was a good wrestler so you know he scared me in that sense that

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this is a person that I can't you know that I can't keep away from me with my with my fists

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um Lindsey Graham I am fairly sure he has assaulted me but I just can't put my hand on a

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Bible and swear to that yeah you know I know that he was there I can remember it he he just

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like uh Jim Jordan he has uh very distinct mannerisms and his voice is a little unusual as well

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so I could remember his voice I could remember his mannerisms and then obviously how he looks

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this or he did that exactly I just can't okay so I wish that I could provide more information on that

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because I I think some things went on but that's just not enough for me to point a finger making

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accusation but uh he was there I can tell you that yeah well that's that's that's enough and I

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know that you know some sorts of interviews there's we can look at at a different time to see if there

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is any more information to remember but what you do remember I just want you to know what you remember

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to know that what what you remember is extremely important and is extremely helpful I know you

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want to be able to remember more and the memories are in there and you know I just

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want to approach the situation delicately because you know some of the other memories are are

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are just vague you know I can and and and I I have been very careful too not to to to

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to reach out further because there are some other names that I could I could mention that I believe

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were there that I know for a fact that that my parents talking of anything like I can tell

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during the 1980s yes okay Vladimir Putin I don't I don't know even when he is you know one of the

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Russian oligarchs or whatever but his name came up and and I remember just because it's an unusual

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name Vladimir Putin you know okay let's talk a little bit about the name being brought up

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but I don't ever remember seeing it so Clinton was mentioned but you never saw Clinton

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I've not that I can recall and and that's another thing too I may have had interactions with

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additional people but during some of them I was so drugged out of my mind I I don't really

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remember what happened you know yeah when when you heard them talk about

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Putin so it was at one of the parties of one of the farms do you remember what they were

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saying about Putin just that he was some sort of like a foreigner that was very important

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the idea I you know I didn't know anymore you know the the name was just unusual and

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they they mentioned his name you know they they kind of had fun saying his name you know

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Vladimir you know does he like to go by Vlad or this and that I think it was just something that

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was discussed and never happened now if he has other connections you know and he very well made

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that's possible but I can just remember there were at those parties there were people that had

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strange accents um but that's that's it that's that's all I could say I couldn't point and say

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well this person was from Spain or this person was from Portugal I have no idea but what I do know

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for a fact yeah I know that's not a lot but I again I I only remember what I have a question

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with with Trump I mean with Putin did you get the sense that the party attendees that the clients

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were interested in Putin there was something they wanted from Putin they thought they could get

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money from Putin influence from Putin did you have any sense of that

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the only sense that I had was that this was for the rich people regardless of where they were from

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so at this point in my child brain I knew that there were rich people and those people got to

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do whatever they wanted and then there were four people like me and those people you know that was

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the dynamic so you know that's that's that's it that I I never heard them say anything about

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blackmailing and stuff like that but I can remember them showing me a video of me doing bad

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stuff and then I can remember people telling me that if I ever talked about it what I had done

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was illegal too by and a lot of that was just bullshit because I was just a kid and they were

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making me do that stuff yeah talk about malevolent hypocrisy dude they were just utterly grotesque

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they were trafficking you they were insulting you they were drugging you and then they were

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trying to they were trying to make me feel like any of you exactly exactly when they you were in

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a situation because they were trafficking you the the last encounter with Trump the one where I

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entered him was the one that I remember the most vividly and this was the setup for that

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I can remember my dad before we went to the farm this was when they lived in enterprise

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Alabama yeah so it would have been about 81 to 82 somewhere in there maybe as maybe as late as 83

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but he said there may be somebody that you know there and and I can remember the look on his face

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and it scared the shit out of it but anyway when I got to the farm of course I'm scared at the

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farm because I don't know what's going to my same age around 12 or 30 I wasn't and then then

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he said something to the effect of you know it how did how did you

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so obviously Trump was extremely violent Trump's yes a sadistic psychopath

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when Trump assaulted you so sexual assault and physical assault

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yes

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do you ever watch the movie the equalizer

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no I haven't seen it Denzel Washington you know sort of like justice when everyone involved in

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law enforcement can't get any justice that would be a sort of situation obviously

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I laughed because there's poetic justice there

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Sasha that that and that was what facilitated they not only did I get really assaulted by

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Andy Biggs after Trump was airlifted out

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he added a whole nother party so they took me to another party after that and because I had

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done that to one of those rich people they took me from like station to station and they

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could do whatever they wanted most of you know I got beaten to the point where and how many

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perpetrators did you say again 20 to 40 25 to 40 perpetrators you know just getting beaten

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up and uh you know was that before you tried to defend yourself from Trump or after do you remember

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that was after that was as a punishment if you want to call it that the what happened at that party

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was so when Andy Biggs almost killed you was after Trump as well yes okay after it painted

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watching no sounds like they were trying to torture you just to the point of death

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to to punish you and to send a message over and over again to hint to me to give me to kill

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myself yeah I can remember thinking there's no way I'm gonna kill myself because that's what

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they want did not want to give her the satisfaction yeah so and and she enjoyed

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sexually torturing Samantha when they went and got her and Samantha was the runaway that

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right that way she was she was she lived in a uh a brothel basically where they got him

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did Patricia die oh yeah yes so Samantha Patricia and Sarah and all three died yes yes so Samantha

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was the runaway that was murdered by your adopted parents yes Patricia committed suicide Sarah

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committed suicide and Prisha was murdered in the bed before Trump came in and then they threatened

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you and said to let Trump do whatever Trump wanted to do to you or they would shoot you in the head as

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well yes okay if you shoot him we're all gonna go to jail and he was really scared because he knew

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that if they just shot me that's not something he could explain to anybody and he had gotten into

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so much trouble with trying to get rid of me already but and then there's the

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stairs incident and all of those generated a police report in addition to the you know how they

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have been this and that and from a frack up into Alabama so there was at least the the the

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Chevy van incident pool incident stairs incident there was police into police reports how many

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police were reports about three or four and then that I can I that that are just involved in trying

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to get rid of me and then there were in addition to those four there were two investigations one for

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the poor and then when we lived in the duplex and they were torturing that girl to get in trouble

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and got her blood had been there I guess and they didn't it wasn't a match to anybody in the

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house so for whatever reason they just didn't have enough and I I don't mention for the

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investment in that instance or in the instance up in Tennessee did you provide any testimony to

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the police in any of those five cases well the one case with the military with a child

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pornography you do see was like a I mean he was a tank so it wasn't something that he wanted to

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really get into a fight about over there and the you know my god thank god I can remember the

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guy that fished me out they said there's no goddamn way I heard that from 150 yards away

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and you're standing there watching him and you didn't hear it you know and you know they

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tried to play it off like well we just thought he was playing you know swimming and stuff like that

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and I can remember the sheriff asking do you know how to swim and I said no sir and they were like

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okay this this fucking sucks you know there's no way that this is a go to jail I don't care

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he said I'll make sure of it so they they had a sense but they didn't know they didn't have

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enough of what they thought of his evidence they didn't have enough exactly right and that was

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the case with Samantha as well yes and your dad wouldn't let them talk to you

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what's that and your dad wouldn't let the the police officers talk to you so right that also

01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:56.940
seems weird it seems weird I mean I know in Canada is a bit different like in terms of

01:03:01.520 --> 01:03:05.620
you know there would have been folks from child protection services there and they would have

01:03:05.620 --> 01:03:11.280
gotten you away from your adopted fathers to talk to you to talk to you you wouldn't have

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gone through that sort of horror in Canada I'm I'm really sad that's what had occurred

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at one point CPS did take me so I got into the foster care system you know because that

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my way right back to that you work with me Jane Goodall was one of the people that worked with me

01:04:07.640 --> 01:04:14.220
so I know that she is still alive I think she's still alive I think she's 91 now yeah and she might

01:04:14.220 --> 01:04:20.820
recall having worked with me because I would have been one of the strangest cases she ever had

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because at around that time frame I had made the decision that I would no longer let anybody

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know you know people had to stay away from me I could talk I mean I wasn't like that

01:04:37.830 --> 01:04:46.310
feral animal but I just would not allow people within my personal space anymore and because of

01:04:46.310 --> 01:04:53.970
her work you know with with apes and everything with gorillas you know they they kind of reached

01:04:53.970 --> 01:04:59.890
out to her to make contact with me to see if they could help me yeah

01:05:02.570 --> 01:05:08.190
and did you talk to Jane Goodall at all about what you'd experienced getting trafficked I know when

01:05:08.190 --> 01:05:16.950
you and I spoke by email messenger you said was from during about 1978 to 1986 is what you

01:05:16.950 --> 01:05:22.230
remembered 9 to 13 but you're not sure it could have been as early as six or seven years old

01:05:23.110 --> 01:06:00.360
right and to really piece together much of a story so whether you were six or seven years old or

01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:08.760
or 10 or 11 years old with the parties when you're right I know family was assaulting me and then

01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:13.960
friends of family were assaulting me as early as six or seven I I know that some of my very

01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:56.780
first memories so how much I know it's no no it's it's okay I'm I'm I'm glad you're you and I are able

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to have such a thorough discussion and and I appreciate again how straightforward and forthright

01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:09.000
you are you know it's it's extremely important um I mean there's a part of me that just wants to

01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:16.380
point fingers in every direction but I have I have really thought about okay what do I recall

01:07:17.240 --> 01:07:41.040
then what I am yeah so there are other things that I could maybe point fingers at but then it kind of

01:07:41.040 --> 01:07:47.000
gets into muddying the water because I don't really remember them that well well I think that's why

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I just yeah no that's that's good and I think what what I'd like to do like well continue to

01:07:53.820 --> 01:07:59.140
you know discussing a bit about what we're talking about now um the things that you're let

01:08:00.460 --> 01:08:09.240
sure of I'd like to look at a second at a discussion just entirely focused on what you're

01:08:09.240 --> 01:08:13.760
not sure of just because I think there is some important information there but I don't want to

01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:18.120
muddy the waters in terms of what we're speaking about now that you that you are

01:08:18.700 --> 01:08:25.440
willing to testify in a court of law about so so let's continue focusing about any of the details

01:08:25.440 --> 01:08:33.200
about what you're willing to swear to in a court of law and then you know then let's look at I

01:08:33.200 --> 01:08:40.420
would maybe look at say a second discussion and any any follow on questions from this discussion

01:08:41.080 --> 01:08:45.440
or I might just look at getting everything transcribed and I'm just going to look at it raw

01:08:45.440 --> 01:08:54.240
because honestly in terms of um you know all the there's obviously thousands and thousands of of

01:08:55.540 --> 01:09:00.760
pieces of video footage filmed that the FBI took that's all gone into some

01:09:03.480 --> 01:09:11.100
whoever's been trying to profit off of his nonsense so my what I'm looking at I'm thinking even a

01:09:11.100 --> 01:09:17.220
combination like just a brief summary for me like a paragraph and I'll even look at at just

01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:24.800
publishing the raw audio file of our discussion okay with the text messages because I think the

01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:30.420
context is really important I think especially because there's been so much collusion regarding

01:09:30.420 --> 01:09:38.460
copy editing of video footage that you know folks that are really wanting that are genuinely

01:09:38.460 --> 01:09:44.400
wanting justice you know for them to just hear the audio recordings and read the text messages

01:09:44.860 --> 01:09:52.940
is plain as day anybody that experiences an ounce of integrity will be able to discern the truth

01:09:53.700 --> 01:10:54.410
and I think it's so important as the Mr. Lindsey Graham may have been involved in lesser

01:10:54.410 --> 01:11:11.780
things uh but then we're also at horrible things so that seemed to be an underlying theme of

01:11:11.780 --> 01:11:17.160
all the way in and this is just me speculating here as an adult where they would try to get

01:11:17.160 --> 01:11:23.440
these affluent people in all of these positions of of power and influence to come participate in

01:11:23.440 --> 01:11:34.760
these parties where all of these things were going on so that you know poorly nothing you

01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:41.300
know that nefarious could be going on type of situations yeah so it seemed to be very well

01:11:41.300 --> 01:11:47.300
thought out how they kind of did things but as the party wound down that's when people in my

01:11:47.300 --> 01:12:08.130
position would would really begin to get scared did it did you see anyone else die besides um

01:12:08.910 --> 01:12:37.070
Samantha and Patricia yes yes so early came in and shot her while we were having sex

01:12:37.070 --> 01:12:58.750
that was some sort of snuff film yeah um and then in the brothel okay and all of these

01:12:59.370 --> 01:13:05.230
no go ahead me and Samantha having to clean up uh we didn't have to do anything with the body

01:13:05.230 --> 01:13:42.100
but I can remember me and Samantha had to clean up the blood and everything another of the victims

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I don't know if you've read about uh the British woman Sarah Ransom was on the Epstein Island

01:13:48.780 --> 01:13:54.500
and and tried to swim off the island and was willing to drown then then go through another

01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:02.200
yeah I mean it's it's some horrible horrible shit yeah and you know it's a I can remember

01:14:20.340 --> 01:14:28.280
yeah well I'm gonna ask you some questions there again so with the the rich folks that you

01:14:28.280 --> 01:14:33.900
were sold to that was all associated with with the Epstein Trump trafficking ring and you

01:14:33.900 --> 01:14:41.340
said to me you thought Trump ran things with Epstein is that true oh yes he was not just uh

01:14:47.510 --> 01:15:09.030
it was almost like him and maybe six or eight other super rich guys so he ran it at the behest of

01:15:15.300 --> 01:15:54.560
you how many people Trump was a John yeah do you remember like he ran that ring yeah no no I

01:15:54.560 --> 01:16:05.880
understand I so so read so Jeffrey was sort of presented publicly as the ringleader of the pedophile

01:16:06.280 --> 01:16:12.620
ring but Jeffrey was basically behaving like uh like a general manager of the ring and then there

01:16:12.620 --> 01:16:18.060
was seven or eight other individuals such as Trump that were actually actively running the ring

01:16:18.900 --> 01:16:55.810
micromanaging telling Jeffrey what to do a lower level that would go like yeah I want to

01:16:55.810 --> 01:17:00.850
ask us more questions in terms of your sense of like the demonic um

01:17:04.650 --> 01:17:08.830
some of some of the the advisory work I've done some of my

01:17:12.590 --> 01:17:20.610
own specifics of law enforcement um you know I've come into contact I've minimized any content with

01:17:20.610 --> 01:17:28.970
I'm familiar with a lot of really horrific horror stories that involve um satanists

01:17:28.970 --> 01:17:35.850
occult practitioners theistic satanists you know I've I've spoken to folks that um

01:17:36.550 --> 01:17:41.850
were able to get out of the theistic satanist cults a lot of the torture techniques you describe are

01:17:41.850 --> 01:17:50.310
similar to theistic satanist torture techniques um sexual torture human trafficking human

01:17:50.310 --> 01:17:57.610
cannibalism and what I wanted I you know what what's your sense in terms of these parties that

01:17:58.130 --> 01:18:02.870
that what do you remember like was there any overt I know a lot of the attendees

01:18:02.870 --> 01:18:09.910
presented themselves as Christians but their practices are full-blown demonic satanic

01:18:10.690 --> 01:18:16.450
do you have the sense that any of them were actually secretly practicing any sort of occult

01:18:16.450 --> 01:18:23.130
rituals or were they just like rich fiendish fake Christians that just didn't experience a conscience

01:18:24.150 --> 01:18:30.530
I think it's the latter just rich fake Christians I can I can tell you uh one thing

01:18:30.530 --> 01:19:10.680
specifically that trump did yeah and he got bored of it

01:19:12.540 --> 01:19:17.760
so that did you get the sense that he was trying to kill you or just to torture you about the

01:19:18.620 --> 01:19:24.800
thought and in the moment in the moment you think you're going to die yeah and that that's

01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:30.500
the experience that that he wants to see the fear in another human being's eyes that thinks

01:19:30.500 --> 01:19:37.800
that he's killing him you know um but looking back I just think he was just torturing me

01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:42.720
you know I don't think I think if had he wanted to kill me he could have you know he could have

01:19:42.720 --> 01:20:04.560
just times maybe more yeah you know uh you know um I believe I wouldn't swear to this but I

01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:30.070
believe bust him up you can't break stuff yeah you know they didn't break bones or anything

01:20:30.070 --> 01:20:52.160
uh but you know obviously I had breathing a school nurse uh got CPS involved I believe yeah

01:20:53.220 --> 01:21:24.970
in yeah you know okay so let me see can I call you back in about 10 minutes

01:21:26.090 --> 01:21:32.250
sure absolutely I just I just want to make sure I've got the recording set

01:21:32.250 --> 01:21:36.590
you know I want to get into a file folder and get some duplicates

01:21:36.590 --> 01:21:49.070
and then I'll call you back okay okay sounds good talk to you in a minute bye bye oh

01:21:50.330 --> 01:21:56.090
I'm just checking here so I to kind of to kind of recap what we were just talking about this

01:21:56.090 --> 01:22:19.030
yeah one of the first memories or one of the watching deity of ways as I stood there they

01:22:19.030 --> 01:23:14.680
made me stand they were one people that's why I yeah okay so I'm going to summarize a bit about

01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:23.600
what what we had discussed that um wasn't recorded so with Trump when Trump murdered the puppies and

01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:28.620
forced you to watch had Trump you were eight or nine years old that was your first yes

01:23:28.620 --> 01:23:37.200
remembrance of Trump and had Trump sexually assaulted and tortured you already maybe but

01:23:37.200 --> 01:24:35.430
I don't recall faulting me I think that that was in an effort later on so what ways that was watching

01:24:35.430 --> 01:24:41.690
him kill those puppies and then the next higher order of that and I couldn't tell you exactly

01:24:41.690 --> 01:24:49.730
how much time passed between but I would say likely a couple of years or at least a year later

01:24:49.730 --> 01:24:56.010
um before the incidents with Patricia okay and the incident with Patricia

01:24:56.710 --> 01:25:19.510
was when at that point yeah you know they're just gonna torture me to death anyway okay

01:25:19.510 --> 01:25:24.390
and so with the incident with Patricia then recapping they told you to go into another room

01:25:24.390 --> 01:25:35.730
with Patricia there was film they were filming no no no there wasn't filming in such a

01:25:35.730 --> 01:25:48.140
way there may be somebody you know I had been traffic to live her previously yeah but as far as

01:26:31.090 --> 01:26:52.400
maybe that part of um I believe I wouldn't swear to this part but I am relatively certain she and I

01:26:52.400 --> 01:28:21.240
had already made some movies together um off you know not everybody was do you think they knew

01:28:21.240 --> 01:28:26.620
Trump was gonna walk in the room do you think they do you think they had premeditated

01:28:26.620 --> 01:28:33.700
that Trump would walk in the room next oh yes yeah yeah I think that was just part of the experience

01:28:33.700 --> 01:28:54.730
for him uh you know to get that so like an escalation from the puppies yes okay so Trump

01:28:54.730 --> 01:28:58.810
would traumatize you first and then sexually assault you there was the incident with the

01:28:58.810 --> 01:29:02.830
but Trump murdered the puppies and forced you to watch and then the incident won't

01:29:03.630 --> 01:29:07.630
Trump had Patricia killed yes okay

01:29:09.510 --> 01:29:17.810
and then that's the incident with predict Patricia we we spoke about where um Trump assaulted you

01:29:17.810 --> 01:29:23.430
tortured you and then Trump wanted you to engage in sex with Trump and you found the

01:29:23.890 --> 01:29:30.150
Ted Pegg and got a condom on and then inserted the condom in Trump

01:29:31.850 --> 01:29:41.430
anus just tasted as far as I could and take as hard as you can yeah yeah yeah and my plan was to

01:29:42.230 --> 01:30:09.780
continue hurting him to death but busted back in it so and then what occurred they didn't know

01:30:09.780 --> 01:30:16.900
what to do at that point so we left we didn't get beat up I didn't get further assaulted by anyone

01:30:17.620 --> 01:30:41.800
but something wrong he said you can't do that to the rich people um you know

01:30:44.260 --> 01:30:48.760
you're gonna get beat up it's basically what he said he said you've been beat up before

01:30:48.760 --> 01:31:01.260
it's gonna be just like that you'll you'll be okay and that's when you were taken to the farm

01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:04.700
and then six or maybe ten different groups

01:31:06.020 --> 01:31:55.250
it was it was at least three or four five people that that well he was a bare knuckle

01:32:05.070 --> 01:32:22.150
you know premeditated seems like a premeditated like well what I know of Trump is that Trump

01:32:22.150 --> 01:32:30.670
would attempt to premeditated the stage such a scene to to terrorize you retaliatorily yes yes

01:32:31.560 --> 01:32:37.990
so he wasn't there at that yeah I'm sure that he was it was a close enough time frame that he was

01:32:37.990 --> 01:32:52.530
still recovering yeah but that was that they had kind of taken it to to get me to that homicide

01:32:53.090 --> 01:33:09.740
rage so then they want to argument so then they they they took you to different locations

01:33:09.740 --> 01:33:16.220
several groups at a time tortured and assaulted you sexually and then at one point you said they

01:33:16.220 --> 01:33:20.520
they hosed you off with a garden hose and what did they say say again to your dad

01:33:21.080 --> 01:34:04.340
that you were dirty and it hose you off oh yeah they said the coordination aspect of it

01:34:04.340 --> 01:34:10.040
just because I've been taken ahead and embodying everything so much that I even had difficulty

01:34:10.040 --> 01:34:16.660
in getting the soap so they made me like take a shower with a while they stood there with the

01:34:16.660 --> 01:34:26.700
the garden hose just hosing me off and I can remember getting really cold from that and you

01:34:26.700 --> 01:34:33.240
said it was sexual assault followed by beatings in all of those cases yes some some people didn't

01:34:33.240 --> 01:34:37.660
even want to sexually assault me some people just wanted to beat the hell out of me so

01:34:37.660 --> 01:34:44.480
not all of them they got to do whatever they wanted but with all of the different people

01:34:44.480 --> 01:34:51.840
that included some sort of physical assault physical and sexual assault or just the physical

01:34:52.560 --> 01:35:13.450
there weren't any instances of just sexual yeah and you know at that point he had like drugged me

01:35:13.450 --> 01:35:57.080
because I couldn't walk or anything to one of the groups okay I could breathe and everything

01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:05.000
um to where I walked out of there with help and then is that when they took you to Andy Biggs

01:36:05.660 --> 01:36:12.900
or Andy Biggs towards you they're after it not immediately thereafter but another week or two

01:36:12.900 --> 01:37:00.840
past maybe maybe a month week to whatever it was even a week or some people call that like the

01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:09.020
death rattle yeah that's point to which he'd be to where when I would try to breathe my my chest

01:37:09.020 --> 01:37:21.140
would just make this no you described that extremely extremely clearly like I say I appreciate

01:37:21.140 --> 01:37:28.940
your forthrightness now you and I had spoken and um you said that your dad told you that after

01:37:28.940 --> 01:37:37.160
the incident with Andy Biggs that that your dad said that Trump and Trump's associates said that

01:37:37.820 --> 01:37:43.100
whatever debt they thought you owed because you fought back against Trump that the debt was paid

01:37:43.820 --> 01:37:49.700
and the debt was you getting raped and beaten brutally by all those individuals including

01:37:49.700 --> 01:37:58.160
Andy Biggs yes and then you said that you don't recall attending any more parties after that

01:37:58.160 --> 01:38:04.080
and you weren't sure of us because they thought you aged out because you were 12 or 13 or whether

01:38:04.080 --> 01:38:09.780
they just yeah you're much too much of a hassle like they could get caught

01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:16.000
I think all of that came into play yes or they might wanted to behave

01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:19.660
indicted towards your dad about whatever money your dad was earning

01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:28.780
do you think that I couldn't speak the meaning of that part of I yeah I might be I'm not even

01:38:28.780 --> 01:38:34.180
sure like the financial arrangements or anything like that I can remember that when they sent me

01:38:34.180 --> 01:39:16.250
to the brothel that they were upset that they didn't make more money upon in Tennessee you know

01:39:17.790 --> 01:39:24.090
but the film remember that being upset okay and the filming most of the filming

01:39:24.090 --> 01:39:30.850
the parties was all associated with Trump and the Trump Epstein just laying pedophile ring

01:39:31.690 --> 01:39:37.910
different layers of parties yeah but it's a it's a whole bunch of people it's just that from my

01:39:37.910 --> 01:39:58.250
childhood perspective what I saw were level people like my dad that kind of went out and

01:39:58.250 --> 01:40:08.010
found girls or coordinated um you know at the ground level of yeah of things yeah so in terms of

01:40:08.010 --> 01:40:16.210
even Epstein himself he just sought out people like my dad that would fell you know their adopted

01:40:16.210 --> 01:40:22.610
child their actual child or whatever so those are the different layers of people yeah

01:40:24.090 --> 01:40:30.250
but that Trump was involved in a lot of the planning micro managing

01:40:32.690 --> 01:40:40.430
filming certainly the payouts yeah because I know that when uh I was offered to Trump

01:40:41.310 --> 01:41:17.000
they the excitement wasn't really a big payday and they were nervous about taking that kind

01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:23.760
of money because they were accepting this large amount of risk for a very really little amount of

01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:29.940
reward and they were excited to make it to the level of Donald Trump because I think the payday

01:41:29.940 --> 01:41:36.240
that they were supposed to get was $25,000 may have been another sum but that's just the sum

01:41:36.240 --> 01:41:48.960
that I remember and that may not sound like a lot especially today but the chunk of money

01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:56.980
mm-hmm and you so and we spoke about in terms of the years when you're about nine to 10 years

01:41:56.980 --> 01:42:04.520
old maybe eight years old until about 13 and most of the parties there are only three or

01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:14.520
four kids there um sometimes only you yes and it was sort of the different yeah and they would

01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:21.660
almost always have at least one girl there so the I'm sure that the the uh the mentality of that would

01:42:21.660 --> 01:42:38.620
be you know and have a boy or a girl because I was being abused you know in in like a bedroom of

01:42:38.620 --> 01:42:45.200
the farmhouse or some other location and there could have been more people there I can't you

01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:51.780
I can't really say exactly that you get kind of just just from a standpoint of

01:42:52.480 --> 01:42:59.220
of of the experience you you very much just kind of look lock onto your surroundings

01:43:00.100 --> 01:43:06.400
to try to stay alive you know you're looking at the person that you're having this encounter

01:43:06.400 --> 01:43:12.640
with anything that you could potentially use for a weapon escape went past and stuff like that

01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:20.460
um very much you're in survival mode so you tend to hyper focus on just what's immediately around

01:43:20.460 --> 01:43:27.760
you so there may have been additional things going on but I really wasn't paying attention to those okay

01:43:29.080 --> 01:43:34.220
okay and we spoke about the average age was like nine or ten years old in some cases

01:43:34.220 --> 01:43:42.100
um layers of parties adult prostitutes were there too you know the younger

01:43:42.100 --> 01:43:50.860
and just nine ten all the way up to uh you know young ladies uh 17 18 19 20 year olds you know

01:43:52.380 --> 01:43:56.880
and did you ever see Andy big sexually assault and torture anyone else

01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:01.680
or you no no not that I can recall no and what about Jim Jordan

01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:08.260
you know and I remember him from that one instance I I'm not saying that he wasn't

01:44:08.260 --> 01:44:44.580
added together you know just a bunch of adults you know yeah so I need I need to remember this

01:44:44.580 --> 01:44:50.460
type of type of deal and that's that's those three yeah and then Trump during all those years

01:44:50.460 --> 01:44:54.440
now did you ever see Clarence Thomas more than once or Lindsey Graham

01:44:54.440 --> 01:45:50.150
him I could have yeah so but laughing about those amazing black men but he's kind of a dark

01:45:50.150 --> 01:45:57.990
skinned black man so in that group of people he stood out uh a lot because yeah he was the only black

01:45:57.990 --> 01:46:08.670
guy there okay and then in terms of um we talked about transportation plane airplane helicopter

01:46:08.670 --> 01:46:16.970
automobile um you said there was usually only there weren't a lot of folks on the plane maybe

01:46:16.970 --> 01:46:24.930
sometimes three or four other kids sometimes you just you whichever adults on the plane

01:46:25.730 --> 01:46:34.390
when um with the snuff movies were any of those shot on the farm that you remember

01:46:34.390 --> 01:46:40.490
or those were you said were at different locations those were at different locations um

01:46:41.230 --> 01:46:45.570
and how many folks did you see killed in the snuff movies that that you saw filmed

01:46:53.270 --> 01:47:00.710
sure a hundred percent I only remember that one yeah now if they filmed Patricia being shot

01:47:00.710 --> 01:47:06.090
that would be two okay the other one was on it on like what you would think of as a

01:47:06.090 --> 01:47:12.830
movie set yeah uh you know probably probably just a warehouse somebody's basement I couldn't

01:47:12.830 --> 01:47:18.770
tell you the location but it was it wasn't just a handheld uh you know VHS camcorder it was

01:47:18.770 --> 01:47:25.930
something on a tripod with lights and things like that and we were having sex and somebody

01:47:25.930 --> 01:47:31.250
walked in and just shot her in the head and I don't remember her name so it was a similar

01:47:31.250 --> 01:47:40.450
mo is with patricia yes but there was no additional assault to me afterwards but yes it was similar

01:48:01.040 --> 01:48:04.860
did patricia say anything to you before patricia was shot do you remember anything

01:48:04.860 --> 01:48:53.050
did patricia say anything all during the assault there there really aren't any

01:48:53.050 --> 01:48:56.050
English language words that convey you know

01:48:59.330 --> 01:49:07.270
I'm I'm glad that you found each other that you found some way that you could find some sort of

01:49:07.270 --> 01:49:17.350
friendship in such harrowing circumstances I'm so sad but you know she was just sweet sweet

01:49:17.350 --> 01:49:30.500
little girl you know and that's just not me that yeah do you have a sense that that trump

01:49:30.500 --> 01:49:36.840
and those perpetrators would specifically try to look for children they thought were really innocent

01:49:37.580 --> 01:49:43.960
to torture like the puppies oh yeah like the more innocent they wanted to torture more

01:49:45.400 --> 01:49:52.080
yes it was about the the experience to them didn't seem to be all that sexual in nature it was

01:49:52.080 --> 01:50:08.010
about taking a uh bright little energetic youth and then just just barely but psychologically and

01:50:08.010 --> 01:50:17.390
emotionally it like like to the point where they they just really were like with traumatized

01:50:17.390 --> 01:50:30.160
for life yeah my mother maryland riley was of the exact same personality flaws that those rich

01:50:30.160 --> 01:50:37.800
people were and as bad as my dad is and and as far as human beings go I would I would I would

01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:46.920
say that he's just about a failure in every way he wasn't even that bad there was just some

01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:57.080
semblance of conscious with him like I can remember at that part of it was

01:50:58.140 --> 01:51:04.700
affecting emotionally to see me take that level of punishment or abuse or whatever

01:51:05.560 --> 01:51:11.640
so Lynn would have Lynn was a type of person she would have smiled and laughed and had a really

01:51:11.640 --> 01:51:25.860
good time do any big kids those three those three are like the last level of human as far as

01:51:25.860 --> 01:51:32.280
depravity because I mean there's there's nothing in the way of watching another person suffer but

01:51:32.280 --> 01:51:38.080
they didn't seem to enjoy it would be the best way to put it so it would be similar sort of

01:51:38.080 --> 01:51:41.240
cup of tea is a John Wayne Gacy

01:51:44.460 --> 01:51:50.480
Trump yeah I yeah even worse I can remember uh um

01:51:51.620 --> 01:51:53.360
Samantha was the

01:52:07.350 --> 01:52:17.510
and that's the last part of what they used is leverage against me and they had damaged her to

01:52:17.510 --> 01:52:23.170
the point where she was probably going to die in any way but Samantha asked me because they

01:52:23.170 --> 01:52:35.430
threw not in a good way I think that maybe they've broken her arm um but she was she was

01:52:35.430 --> 01:52:41.490
suffering and she asked me to choke her to death and I did and they used that my parents

01:52:41.490 --> 01:52:47.310
used that as leverage against me for a period of time telling me that I was the only one

01:52:47.310 --> 01:53:04.080
guilty of murder so in my childhood brain kind of did for Sarah that's how you are looking at

01:53:04.080 --> 01:53:09.880
okay so let's just recap because that's important I don't want that to get misconstrued so Samantha

01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:19.020
Sarah Patricia which one was African American again Samantha Samantha so Samantha was African

01:53:19.020 --> 01:53:26.200
American and you're all tortured and trafficked by Trump and the Trump Epstein pedophile ring

01:53:27.900 --> 01:53:34.940
brutally tortured when Sarah was going to commit suicide Sarah was afraid to pull the trigger

01:53:35.660 --> 01:53:43.960
and Samantha pulled the trigger and so that Samantha could die because Samantha was afraid

01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:53.780
to commit suicide Samantha asked Sarah asked Samantha to pull the trigger and then when

01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:03.300
Sarah had asked me to be in the room too because she wanted we cared about each other me

01:54:09.140 --> 01:54:25.930
you know three month people that she loved and at that point it was just me and

01:54:25.930 --> 01:54:31.090
Samantha I don't I don't and was that at the brothel again or what was the

01:54:31.090 --> 01:54:37.550
yeah okay I was at the brothel okay and so that's when Sarah died and then they had to clean up

01:54:37.550 --> 01:54:45.690
clean up the adult came in and took the body took Sarah's body but I remember Samantha and I had to

01:54:46.210 --> 01:54:50.490
use the you know for cleaner solutions and clean up all the blood and stuff like that

01:54:50.490 --> 01:54:59.810
mm-hmm and then when Marie Lynn and William Kyle tortured Samantha almost to death

01:55:01.000 --> 01:55:11.210
Samantha was going to die and then Samantha asked you to kill Samantha similar that Sarah asked

01:55:12.690 --> 01:55:27.870
Samantha to kill Sarah and she she showed me how to what else did did did she say

01:55:30.050 --> 01:55:38.590
uh Samantha yeah just she just made me she said to save save her

01:55:39.430 --> 01:55:58.360
made me promise to to live life both what do you think Marie Lynn and William would have done

01:55:58.360 --> 01:56:05.780
to Samantha if if Samantha hadn't have died they just would have kept beating on her until she was dead

01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:11.960
so it's they tortured her for a couple of weeks probably a couple of weeks so they tortured

01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:18.780
Samantha during a couple of weeks and then Samantha asked you to kill Samantha because

01:56:19.420 --> 01:56:24.420
Samantha didn't want to die getting tortured by William Kyle and Marie Lynn

01:56:25.740 --> 01:56:39.100
she said I can't go back in there yeah I can't do it again yeah yeah and they would pull us out

01:56:39.100 --> 01:57:14.910
one at a time and torture us and then throw us back in there together and again and she yeah

01:57:20.160 --> 01:57:31.620
and when I filed the police report I told them that same so when you did that and locked

01:57:31.620 --> 01:57:36.600
in Oklahoma in Oklahoma and so you talked when you talked to the police you said Samantha

01:57:36.600 --> 01:57:42.740
had asked you to kill Samantha because Samantha couldn't get bare getting tortured by your parents

01:57:42.740 --> 01:57:51.160
anymore and you told the police and the police never followed up in Oklahoma I they I filled out a

01:57:51.160 --> 01:58:39.370
whole report I was recorded I gave them the yeah seems like there was some some different states

01:58:39.370 --> 01:58:44.050
yeah different states because Texas Tennessee Alabama and they tried to kill me in Florida

01:58:44.050 --> 01:58:49.430
there was another investigation in Florida that followed them back to Alabama yeah

01:58:52.270 --> 01:59:00.330
so you know I have a question for you no way yes this is specific regarding with Trump again

01:59:00.330 --> 01:59:08.030
and I think it might help in terms of sort of just establishing something when you kicked the

01:59:08.730 --> 01:59:17.870
the the tent peg into Trump's anus you said it tore Trump's backside open anus open yes there was

01:59:17.870 --> 01:59:27.630
been there was a lot of um gossip discussion about Donald Trump's being incontinent since

01:59:27.630 --> 01:59:34.540
several years ago I remember uh some folks that worked on the television series The Apprentice

01:59:34.540 --> 01:59:42.020
they said Donald Trump had to wear diapers and that I would bet it's because I ripped him open

01:59:42.780 --> 01:59:50.260
that's that's that's what that's what my sense is is that some of the gossip has been oh Trump

01:59:50.260 --> 01:59:59.160
had used Adderall Trump was incontinent because of drug use but I'm wondering and and I do know that

01:59:59.160 --> 02:00:06.100
the truth um if that's if that's actually the reason Trump wears diapers

02:00:08.500 --> 02:00:14.400
is a significant part do you think do you remember I think I mean can you describe

02:00:14.400 --> 02:00:18.120
what the injuries look like

02:00:18.120 --> 02:00:18.480
huh

02:00:22.540 --> 02:00:43.290
the do you remember enough to describe I just remember wasn't just that he was hurt

02:00:43.840 --> 02:00:53.490
he started while he was screaming like his entire body was was in a almost like a horseshoe

02:01:02.450 --> 02:02:00.260
while he was just screaming at the I remember his reaction being anyway they they held the

02:02:00.260 --> 02:03:04.410
gun on me and there was some horrible way that I could possibly do it well you were 12

02:03:05.090 --> 02:03:12.790
and you've just seen Patricia tortured and raped and murdered Trump premeditated

02:03:14.850 --> 02:03:23.330
the murder of Patricia to torture you and then Trump tortured you extreme circumstances

02:03:25.650 --> 02:03:33.210
you know you you know you experienced understandable

02:03:35.910 --> 02:03:50.690
rage that injustice the most depraved sort of injustice somebody would just offer my dad a deal

02:03:51.450 --> 02:04:15.340
because it would be worth him not going to jail as far as is it even worse

02:04:15.960 --> 02:05:34.300
hmm yeah but that's just go out and find running ways but I think your your dad your dad um was

02:05:34.300 --> 02:05:38.360
probably one of similar sort of recruiters they might have used in different locations

02:05:39.780 --> 02:05:46.040
or in terms of the the core group of like that those specific torture parties they might have

02:05:46.040 --> 02:05:51.400
tried to keep it quite tight rain on things yeah

02:05:56.040 --> 02:06:01.380
is there anything else you want to talk about right now I mean I think I think um

02:06:02.820 --> 02:06:27.830
I have okay I flip into my head all of this and and uh you know over the number of years

02:06:27.830 --> 02:06:34.030
about the last 10 years I've been just peeling back layer after layer of this and as far as what

02:06:34.030 --> 02:06:54.990
I remember did what when or where salted me some of the other family members assaulted me I can

02:06:54.990 --> 02:07:26.160
remember that um but as far as anybody else any that were there I just can't point a finger at

02:07:26.160 --> 02:07:31.900
them and say for sure yet no no don't don't worry about that at all right now there's

02:07:32.780 --> 02:07:40.420
what I'm gonna do is to be honest with you seeing Clarence Thomas there really stood out but what

02:07:40.420 --> 02:07:47.680
cements that into my brain was the celebration that my dad had when he got confirmed onto the

02:07:47.680 --> 02:08:07.450
supreme court him yeah so you know we could potentially have John Roberts or Justice Alito

02:08:07.450 --> 02:08:14.710
one of those guys been there potentially I I I don't know but I can remember specifically how

02:08:14.710 --> 02:08:37.350
excited he was that you know this do you remember for what that's worth no that's that's important

02:08:37.350 --> 02:08:42.990
that's significant do you remember any female attendees at those parties adult females

02:08:44.630 --> 02:09:00.830
yes but it was not very common uh Lynn went to one they were rare

02:09:02.690 --> 02:09:20.640
most of the women that were at these parties were the parties for people at the end where they

02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:42.580
really did the the the more brutal more women being there besides Trump can you could you

02:09:42.580 --> 02:09:47.440
identify any of the rest of the man of those eight to ten men that were always in the tour

02:09:47.960 --> 02:09:56.000
and the the the core torture group if you saw the photos he would be the only one that that I could

02:09:56.980 --> 02:10:13.650
clearly say that this yeah so they just kind of go into the memory bank of just something else bad

02:10:13.650 --> 02:10:20.850
and I know the only ones that I remember are the ones that that I thought were dangerous and

02:10:20.850 --> 02:10:26.590
and Clarence because he's black and then Lindsay just because of his mannerisms and and I remember more

02:10:27.450 --> 02:10:32.710
I remember seeing him and and observing his mannerisms but what I remember even more

02:10:33.250 --> 02:10:41.090
is uh my dad and whoever he was with at the time kind of uh joking about those mannerisms

02:10:41.090 --> 02:10:46.730
I can even remember somebody telling my dad to be careful because there were a lot of people

02:10:46.730 --> 02:10:53.390
at that party that were gay so if you got caught like making fun of a rich person that was gay or

02:10:53.390 --> 02:10:59.170
or at least had the mannerisms and and and the meter of a gay person that it might cause

02:10:59.830 --> 02:11:06.130
my dad problems you know so it was kind of yeah we can kind of laugh and joke about this a little

02:11:06.130 --> 02:11:10.190
bit here but you better be careful what you say around other people because a lot of these people

02:11:10.190 --> 02:11:15.890
are gay or at least have uh bisexual tendencies and they may take offense to that and these are

02:11:15.890 --> 02:11:23.890
people that my dad was not in a position to to uh offend they they you know

02:11:28.730 --> 02:11:36.050
okay well what I'm gonna do I'm gonna um get these this recording here this second recording

02:11:36.810 --> 02:11:40.470
and um backups and so on and then um

02:11:42.310 --> 02:11:48.810
I'm just gonna spend the rest of Saturday fairly quiet doing some peaceful things which

02:11:48.810 --> 02:11:54.570
I highly suggest you do as well just whatever you like to do that you experience

02:11:54.570 --> 02:12:02.570
there you go if it's if it's not too hot outside it was pretty hot yesterday but that's

02:12:02.570 --> 02:12:09.170
what I that's my meditation matter the gym and I can't go to the gym today yeah spend some time

02:12:09.170 --> 02:12:20.310
outdoors okay and then what I'll do um like I said already I'd like to I'd like to just get the

02:12:20.310 --> 02:12:27.350
text messages we've got under recordings and I'm just going to figure out in terms of um

02:12:28.040 --> 02:12:34.110
you know you know there's so there's two recordings now and um

02:12:35.430 --> 02:12:41.390
I'm just going to figure out like well whether I might just upload to a specific drive and then

02:12:42.270 --> 02:12:48.090
I've got to look at this some of in terms of the the logistics with the recordings like

02:12:48.090 --> 02:12:55.550
like I said like I'd like to just post them raw with a brief summary

02:12:56.650 --> 02:13:03.950
and um you know a totally different context a long time ago I was speaking to some folks

02:13:03.950 --> 02:13:09.950
who were at NASA about climate crisis related and one of the women that I know at NASA was talking

02:13:09.950 --> 02:13:15.750
about all the data they were seeing and there was so much politicization of the data that

02:13:16.270 --> 02:13:22.630
Lynn was concerned that you know it's going to be huge negative impact Lynn's perspective

02:13:22.630 --> 02:13:27.730
in terms of climate crisis was you know in terms of survival of the human species

02:13:28.750 --> 02:13:34.030
and we'd had some discussion about posting all of these data from all these different locations

02:13:34.030 --> 02:13:39.970
the North Koreans norad just so everybody could look at the data and they'd be like holy

02:13:39.970 --> 02:13:46.750
Christ what the heck is going on and then it's like a bit more simple to try to get folks of

02:13:46.750 --> 02:13:55.950
different opinion belief systems um to behave more unified so slightly obviously what we're

02:13:55.950 --> 02:14:04.330
discussing is is quite different but that's what's similar is you know the truth is being suppressed

02:14:05.390 --> 02:14:51.290
and very much I yeah um it's just every direction that's not I would think would be

02:14:57.310 --> 02:15:05.010
yeah not enough people in key positions to prevent it from happening and that's yeah and you know

02:15:05.010 --> 02:15:11.250
to be honest with you to some degree it feels like the democrats are just are just part of theater

02:15:11.950 --> 02:15:25.920
you know Joe Biden had four years you know seemed like some things were going in the

02:15:25.920 --> 02:15:48.990
right direction but where were the uh you know they don't feel like they're you know

02:15:48.990 --> 02:15:55.490
no I understand I think yeah I think Joe Biden was trying to do the right thing

02:15:56.190 --> 02:16:01.430
and there's obviously a lot of folks republicans that are involved in the pedophile ring and have

02:16:01.430 --> 02:16:09.590
complement against them and perhaps some democrats and I think I think it's one of those situations

02:16:09.590 --> 02:16:14.970
where you know if Biden had more information there's a lot more Biden would have done so

02:16:15.530 --> 02:16:20.110
there's obviously been some collusion about the information that everyone's getting and I think

02:16:20.110 --> 02:16:24.590
what you were speaking what you're you know what you're talking about in terms of

02:16:24.590 --> 02:16:32.710
parties and how parties seem to be presented you know folks that were engaged in some level

02:16:32.710 --> 02:16:38.730
of criminal behavior but wasn't the extreme criminal behavior of those that were torturing

02:16:39.500 --> 02:16:45.350
yeah and murdering kids and so they were all trying to play it all off against them also

02:16:45.350 --> 02:16:52.090
all these different folks had compromise say on drug use or some sex acts they didn't want public

02:16:52.090 --> 02:17:01.310
size but they didn't know about the torturing so a lot of collusion but there there are

02:17:01.310 --> 02:17:07.090
decent folks and there are decent folks that are trying to do the right thing and um

02:17:07.830 --> 02:17:14.390
I'll get these audio files I'll get them looked at I'll get them uploaded I'll write a little summary

02:17:16.790 --> 02:17:19.510
I'm sort of simmering about you know

02:17:21.570 --> 02:17:27.170
just some of the logistics in terms of the file size the right location

02:17:28.510 --> 02:17:35.150
where I'm comfortable with the files being and I'm like I say I've already looked in terms

02:17:35.150 --> 02:17:40.450
of some contacts at the hog one of the things with the hog is the United States isn't part of the

02:17:40.450 --> 02:17:48.790
international you know the the criminal court system anymore but I know how can still be presented

02:17:48.790 --> 02:17:53.850
because it is international security issue considering Trump's wreaking this sort of havoc

02:17:54.590 --> 02:18:00.890
now Trump's attempting to wreak havoc on all sorts of folks in all sorts of countries

02:18:00.890 --> 02:18:06.910
regarding tariffs and all sorts of nonsense and is it the exact MO you described with the puppies and

02:18:06.910 --> 02:18:18.790
with Patricia so she does seem to to to enjoy watching the the the act of suffering play out

02:18:19.870 --> 02:18:26.590
yeah in almost any venue that he has any part of yeah and now you know

02:18:26.590 --> 02:18:32.270
immigrations and detentions disappearances in the United States again it's similar

02:18:33.650 --> 02:19:11.450
yeah I just featured human being around him and that is purpose to mankind yeah

02:19:12.590 --> 02:19:21.670
but if his level of malfeasance somehow segues into the the the uh the exposed

02:19:26.280 --> 02:19:34.060
people around him that'll be the only good thing he's ever done yeah that's just my opinion but

02:19:34.060 --> 02:19:41.520
yeah I just I have watched this presidency closer than any other because of my past

02:19:42.900 --> 02:19:50.540
and good god everything he touches turns to shit yeah and it seems to be that he turns it to

02:19:50.540 --> 02:20:00.180
shit in the most callous and and and and and a horrible way possible for as many people as he

02:20:00.180 --> 02:20:08.400
can make it that way yeah it's it's it's incredible to me that so many people are on board with the

02:20:08.400 --> 02:20:18.270
suffering yeah you know I I can remember discussing with somebody the other day I don't care if

02:20:18.270 --> 02:20:23.970
somebody's here legally or illegally at the end of the day that's still a human being that

02:20:23.970 --> 02:20:33.260
we're talking about now if this person that will then they should answer for it but

02:20:34.040 --> 02:20:39.700
every person deserves due process every person and that's the way the constitution is written

02:20:39.700 --> 02:20:43.520
that was the one thing that all nine supreme court just didn't even agreed on

02:20:43.520 --> 02:20:51.940
is that everybody should get due process yeah and so the fact that he is denying people that

02:20:51.940 --> 02:21:05.000
and trying to con is just alarming to a degree that that it actually is shocking to me that it

02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:11.660
just it isn't a line in the sand for everybody I don't understand the reasoning behind some

02:21:11.660 --> 02:21:25.050
people thinking that that because your skin's brown you don't deserve due process or violation

02:21:25.890 --> 02:21:32.570
you know that somehow now that person deserves to suffer to death on such a subject

02:21:32.570 --> 02:21:39.850
something that I'm simmering with in terms of timing of publishing the files you know

02:21:39.850 --> 02:21:47.010
there's on one hand I want to publish sooner than later but one of my siblings is traveling to the

02:21:47.010 --> 02:21:52.530
United States this week and I told her not to travel I said it was quite urgent not to travel

02:21:53.770 --> 02:22:01.550
and she just hasn't read a lot of information yeah I know and so what I'm thinking what I'm

02:22:01.550 --> 02:22:08.270
looking at in terms of just especially since we've you know our discussion today I don't

02:22:10.130 --> 02:22:16.190
I need to confirm when my sister's traveling and her husband when they're back in Canada

02:22:16.890 --> 02:22:21.010
and I would want to make sure they're back in Canada before I post the audio

02:22:21.010 --> 02:22:29.070
file just in case I don't blame you know because I just don't I mean it's one of those

02:22:29.070 --> 02:22:37.270
things you know I just I want to make sure you're in a safe location I want to um I have a friend

02:22:37.270 --> 02:22:43.130
who's retired he's American he's worked as a defense attorney but he lives in Canada now at

02:22:43.130 --> 02:22:49.110
least half the year and he hates Trump and I got a call into him he was a defense attorney in

02:22:49.110 --> 02:22:52.910
the United States and I want to run through some things with him see if he has some

02:22:52.910 --> 02:22:57.130
suggestions just in terms of preparation in terms of

02:22:59.150 --> 02:23:08.230
you know so we're okay so if there's a maybe it will get maybe folks will ignore

02:23:08.230 --> 02:23:13.170
maybe there'll be a bunch of press contacts I just want to make sure there's a bit in terms

02:23:13.170 --> 02:23:21.310
of preparation there so but it is really urgent I know sooner than later so let's just

02:23:21.810 --> 02:23:28.410
you know go step by step okay absolutely I'll I'll look forward to hearing back from you

02:23:29.150 --> 02:23:34.670
yeah and there is one other entity that is right now going through some flight logs

02:23:36.910 --> 02:23:42.510
and and I think they're going to schedule uh talk to me tomorrow I think it was the day that they

02:23:42.510 --> 02:23:50.010
had um so they are looking for my name and my dad's name in different itineraries to try to

02:23:50.010 --> 02:23:54.550
piece it together from a different angle yeah and who are the folks you're speaking to there

02:23:55.890 --> 02:24:12.270
there I have the name on there I don't have it on the top of my head okay that's right so they're

02:24:12.270 --> 02:24:18.430
looking through there yeah okay don't when you speak to them maybe just tell them that

02:24:19.170 --> 02:24:24.930
don't mention my name but just say you're speaking to someone that's helping them with

02:24:25.910 --> 02:24:31.890
that's helping you in terms of court related affidavit related in that that that I'm planning

02:24:31.890 --> 02:24:39.890
on publishing some discussions with us imminently and if they would you know I just want to you

02:24:39.890 --> 02:24:45.250
know I want to make sure there doesn't get the muddy the waters don't get muddied inadvertently

02:24:46.550 --> 02:24:51.330
I I actually follow them on social media and I I like what they're you know they're trying to

02:24:51.330 --> 02:24:56.690
get compilations and all the ice agents and everything so that's great um but I would appreciate

02:24:56.690 --> 02:25:04.830
just from uh and just a bit more in terms of my background I spent lots of time advising folks

02:25:04.830 --> 02:25:13.690
on a whole range of subjects and I you know um have a very specific approach in regards to

02:25:13.690 --> 02:25:21.410
law enforcement that sort of Clark and sort of Clark can't camouflaged and um so when I look at what

02:25:21.410 --> 02:25:25.870
I'm looking at it's really about what's truly the right thing that's really going to truly help

02:25:25.870 --> 02:25:34.150
ensure there's justice and I mean like true justice so if you would if anybody from any

02:25:34.150 --> 02:25:39.450
journalistic outlet tries to contact you for interviews or anything I would appreciate if

02:25:39.450 --> 02:25:43.550
you would just decline until we can get this published because I think that's going to really

02:25:43.550 --> 02:25:50.250
help in terms of what we can of what's the most important to get out of what we've covered raw

02:25:50.250 --> 02:25:56.350
because journalists are going to try and edit and there's just we don't we have to be careful about

02:25:57.050 --> 02:26:04.230
who's on side and who isn't so right so and I'd like to speak to some folks that

02:26:04.760 --> 02:26:11.690
you know with the human rights organizations maybe even try to get something into the ICC before

02:26:12.890 --> 02:26:19.530
you know again sooner than later and um so yeah so talk to the folks at the

02:26:19.530 --> 02:26:24.150
crusty in tomorrow but please don't agree to any sort of journalistic interviews with them or

02:26:24.150 --> 02:26:32.990
anyone else until we get these audio files published okay okay awesome and contact me anytime

02:26:32.990 --> 02:26:40.170
anything comes up okay I want you to know that you know I'm a fierce warrior myself so

02:26:41.470 --> 02:26:49.250
I believe I have I have relayed the the the bulk of what I truly remember clearly but if

02:26:49.250 --> 02:27:10.770
some detail yeah and you know ad-libbing um you know I have my thoughts on the matter as well

02:27:10.770 --> 02:27:17.790
but I'm just trying to relate to those things that that uh that I clearly remember and that

02:27:17.790 --> 02:27:26.230
unfortunately is just the the small amount that I have told you you know there's much more to it

02:27:26.230 --> 02:27:33.710
it's just that those details are so muddy that all I can say is there's just a substantial

02:27:33.710 --> 02:27:47.850
amount more abuse that I can't know I understand and then you know again we'll just I'd like to still

02:27:47.850 --> 02:27:54.110
like to look so we've got these files I probably in terms of the one file I'll probably shorten

02:27:54.110 --> 02:27:59.730
the length just of the five minutes before we talk about um you know carefulness in terms

02:27:59.730 --> 02:28:03.950
of journalists and stuff and my sister traveling just for safety reasons so I'll just cut the

02:28:03.950 --> 02:28:12.610
one file short but um then for sure I'd like to look at you know another interview where we talk

02:28:12.610 --> 02:28:18.450
about some of the details that are fuzzy and everything but just peacefully it's it's right

02:28:18.450 --> 02:28:24.050
timing and things and then like I say I've sort of tried to structure so as easy to get into

02:28:24.050 --> 02:28:29.910
affidavit format and stuff in terms of criminal cases I know you know you could file a lawsuit

02:28:29.910 --> 02:28:34.130
or something in the United States but I just don't know that that's the right approach

02:28:34.890 --> 02:28:41.610
to look at right now like aging caro filed a lawsuit but this is a totally different level of

02:28:42.270 --> 02:28:50.270
of crime right so yeah which is why and I and and and I also want to be careful that I don't

02:28:50.270 --> 02:28:58.370
come across looking like um I I I do not care about money I do not care about any sort of

02:28:58.370 --> 02:29:15.390
notoriety all I care about is exposing this for what it is in hopes that you can't exactly create

02:29:15.390 --> 02:29:21.770
a nirvana you know there's always going to be bad people doing bad things but at this level that

02:29:21.770 --> 02:29:29.350
it's being used somebody has to stand up to it because we're goose stepping towards our own

02:29:29.350 --> 02:29:37.090
crematorium is what it looks like to me uh and we're having to do that because of all this leverage

02:29:37.090 --> 02:29:46.510
on the people at the very top of our food chain yeah well what I'm gonna do is in as much as as

02:29:46.510 --> 02:29:54.330
Donald Trump has uh all of this dirt on on the people around him I wonder just exactly what dirt

02:29:54.330 --> 02:30:02.650
uh maybe our adversaries have on Donald Trump you know that's just speculative on my part yeah but

02:30:02.650 --> 02:30:10.490
it certainly would seem to me that he is beholden to Netanyahu and to Putin yeah I would say that's

02:30:10.490 --> 02:30:17.370
quite clear and certainly even in involving yourself and and footage with yourself so yeah

02:30:17.850 --> 02:30:26.650
some okay but I very much appreciate the help of all this um the the uh I've forgotten the name

02:30:26.650 --> 02:30:33.310
again the Crestacean or whoever they are they are trying to put together uh the different

02:30:33.310 --> 02:30:47.960
flight itinerary so okay um they and and possibly the recognition software that and there's an

02:30:47.960 --> 02:30:56.220
international form database yeah so when child victims become adults if they approve and I do

02:30:57.560 --> 02:31:03.560
being uh run through that system they can if it's ever been on the internet they can basically

02:31:04.100 --> 02:31:11.780
they can do a lot of forensics uh uh did they say they thought they could help with that or that

02:31:11.780 --> 02:31:20.280
they might have access to some of the software I believe so okay I believe so I mean don't mention

02:31:20.280 --> 02:31:26.020
my name but just mention that you know I'm helping you and that I might like to talk to them and you

02:31:26.020 --> 02:31:32.240
at some point but just tell them I'm sort of looking through in terms of the ICC and I

02:31:32.820 --> 02:31:40.980
doing some diligence there just precautionary two people have also reached out to me that

02:31:40.980 --> 02:31:50.400
have um been involved in similar types of abuse um I don't know if that would be potentially helpful

02:31:50.400 --> 02:32:01.740
I don't know that this is under the same umbrella yeah um but one lady that has reached out to me has

02:32:02.340 --> 02:32:08.440
talked about um something that's more involved than just you know like family abuse type of

02:32:08.440 --> 02:32:15.680
yeah okay yeah no we'll look at all those things and and when I'm looking at something that would

02:32:15.680 --> 02:32:23.120
help me if you thought about a little bit in terms of sort of jurisdictions if you were anyone either

02:32:23.740 --> 02:32:29.160
you said you remembered accents and stuff and then with Putin just in terms of if there was

02:32:29.160 --> 02:32:36.980
anyone in Europe and specifically in Canada it's one of the countries of the British Commonwealth

02:32:36.980 --> 02:32:42.420
the Commonwealth of Nations and if there's anyone in any the Commonwealth of Nations countries

02:32:43.180 --> 02:32:49.380
that that might help in terms of with jurisdiction but I like I said it's like really it's

02:32:49.380 --> 02:32:56.560
international security issues so you know I would hope that you know decent folks working as

02:32:56.560 --> 02:33:03.780
prosecutors in Canada and and involved with the ICC and concerns regarding NATO and the Five Eyes

02:33:03.780 --> 02:33:11.160
Agreement would do the right thing and attempt to assist so that's sort of what I'm trying to

02:33:11.160 --> 02:33:16.920
sort out a little bit there but I know that as a very big start is just publishing the briefings

02:33:17.740 --> 02:33:24.180
you know like I say I would send the briefings to some of the folks that I've advised during

02:33:24.180 --> 02:33:30.920
the years I would publish and post them and and I'll contact at after the briefings

02:33:30.920 --> 02:33:36.520
with the audio or published with the right preface and right preface meaning so it's clear that what

02:33:36.520 --> 02:33:42.340
your position is it's clear what my position is which is doing the right thing right isn't about

02:33:42.340 --> 02:33:49.760
some financial interest or anything it's about doing the right thing right sometimes doing the

02:33:49.760 --> 02:33:55.960
right thing involves finances but that's not what we're talking about here we're talking about

02:33:58.340 --> 02:33:59.540
honoring the truth

02:33:59.540 --> 02:34:25.170
the chance at life to you know you're from the same rules and clauses the rest of us

02:34:25.990 --> 02:34:54.680
decided that there was more important who exists because good people do nothing you know

02:34:54.680 --> 02:35:02.420
something something to that effect yeah and uh I don't know this level of evil I don't think

02:35:02.420 --> 02:35:12.880
should exist but we will see yeah okay okay I'm gonna take a little I'm gonna spend a little time

02:35:12.880 --> 02:35:19.800
outdoors and and get some follow-up calls going and we'll figure this out okay well thank you very

02:35:19.800 --> 02:35:24.300
much for your help you're welcome and hey something else before we go I'll just tell you one of my

02:35:24.900 --> 02:35:31.080
my own two of my mantras mantra isn't the word I'd like to say because I don't practice

02:35:31.080 --> 02:35:38.120
occultist sort of Buddhism two of my mottos I guess on herself on her all

02:35:39.040 --> 02:35:46.600
is one and thanks forward faith up is another so that's my approach on these items

02:35:47.900 --> 02:35:58.260
if that helps I do appreciate all of all of the all of the help I do thank you I hope that

02:35:59.010 --> 02:36:18.230
bad people and so Sasha I'll make sure I'll make sure and how I can't even quite really

02:36:18.230 --> 02:36:24.300
speak to you about how I've I've already made sure there there is justice and it's it's

02:36:25.090 --> 02:36:31.970
much more meant than than anyone else really experiences awareness of and justice is here

02:36:31.970 --> 02:36:39.610
now okay I appreciate it I look forward to hearing from you yeah I'll talk to you soon Sasha

02:36:40.890 --> 02:37:01.840
okay thank you you're welcome bye bye okay to be before Michael what's that no go ahead tell me

02:37:01.840 --> 02:37:19.390
bailiff yep yeah and unfortunately this is the newer hence you a number four five six one okay

02:37:23.290 --> 02:37:44.010
and the but the commander Ryan L Mindenhall what's the spelling

02:37:45.110 --> 02:38:06.330
okay N E N D E N H A L of the social is one one two four okay okay and so to be a little more helpful

02:38:06.330 --> 02:38:24.260
for the day the day so September 21st 2010 yes okay so I would have been talked I would have

02:38:24.260 --> 02:38:31.020
talked to him about it probably within the year prior to that date sometime within the

02:38:31.020 --> 02:38:39.600
year prior to that date so year prior to the date so 2009 yes sometime within that that year because

02:38:39.600 --> 02:38:50.940
a rated a rating period is for one year okay okay so sometime between 2009 September 2009 and

02:38:50.940 --> 02:38:54.920
September 2010 yeah okay

02:38:59.680 --> 02:39:08.740
okay okay so um in terms of what I was going to um record in terms of what we can look at

02:39:08.740 --> 02:39:16.820
is is another audio file but I just recorded now I'll just um we'll start the sort of

02:39:16.820 --> 02:39:21.160
like in terms of witness testimony right here because I just want to be careful about what

02:39:21.160 --> 02:39:25.300
we publish about those individuals right now because we want to see about talking to them

02:39:26.620 --> 02:39:35.960
so yeah so you know today is July 19th 2025 and continuing with interviews from tomorrow

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I mean from tomorrow from today is July 19th 2025 oh July 20th my goodness gracious as it is

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so yeah today is July 20th 2025 and we're continuing with interviews from yesterday during July 18th 2025

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and um

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I wanted to just recap what we had spoken about about the girls so there was

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10 to 12 films one snuff film we spoke about yesterday conversely yesterday there's one more

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circumstance similar where you were there when the girls girls were killed after the filming

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there were at least two girls that were killed was the same ammo they were shot in the head

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I didn't witness that the and I didn't know that it was you know there were I didn't I wasn't

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you know I I can remember wondering if my if it was going to be my turn next or whatever but

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you know um as far as uh you know you know and you said

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you thought they were silencing the the girls and the girls were under 13 well

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the and in the brothels really ever rise up a you know we're going to clean you up and make

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you beautiful and you'll be around these rich people and you know they like young women so

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if you can be what they want then perhaps you know you'll go off and live in a mansion

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with one of these rich people but you know consciousness they have uh they have passed

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their expiration date so they would only use the girls for a certain amount of time and you know they

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were either recruiting or finding I don't know how they got the girls you know but yeah maybe even

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maybe even just like a couple of months but even in that small five killed during two months

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yeah yes uh I saw Sarah guy she was there one hour yeah

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and then Sarah was committing suicide you said yes yes Patricia to terrorize you

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yes so those were additional killings on top of the five during the two months is that

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well let me let me count again so yeah Sarah but you uh oh there's another one that I saw killed too

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so Sarah which was sort of more of a suicide when but then Samantha pulled the trigger right

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yes okay and then one other time so one of the girls was executed in the brothel

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and did you see that Samantha did the execution did they force Samantha to do the execution or no

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two separate instances the one girl that was executed I did not know her uh I don't know if

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I've ever even hardly spoken to her but she uh was killed as some sort of retaliation

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and again it was one of those people that you couldn't touch so they came and they didn't

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kill Samantha they just killed this other girl and I don't even think she had anything to do with it

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was that the one in the brothel that was one of the ones in the brothel yes and then Samantha killed

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this other girl just because she she had beat up one of the other girls and she kept stealing

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stuff and she kept like trying to cause problems with the people running it yeah I suspect you'll

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think of a lot all of these all of these things are kind of compartmentalized a little bit so I'm

02:46:33.270 --> 02:46:39.790
thinking okay this happened that you know yeah it's okay well what's I understand you know there's

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there's a lot you've been through a lot and you're trying to diligently remember and you know

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you know remembering you'll probably remember a lot more and you know how I'm making sure is

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comfortable you know so there was during the two months there was at least five girls killed

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and the killings were all related to the Trump Epstein pedophile ring there was execution snuff film

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silencing the girls

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now at that brothel I never saw anybody except this big belly hillbilly that ran it

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yeah um and one okay so a mobster yeah and I don't I had no idea who he was just some older

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guy you know gray hair um pinky ring type person you know yeah and when the two girls were killed

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after the filming tell me again what what the other individual said to you that you're good

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they won't kill you boys are hard to find like I was working maybe packing up stuff or cleaning

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or I don't you know so I just I kept doing whatever it was obviously on it and he said boys were

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hard boys are hard to find you're you're good yeah he said he said you're good girls are a

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dime a dozen boys are hard to find something like that that may not have been the exact words

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but it was something of that effect yeah so it sounds like in the case with the Trump Epstein ring in

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terms of whoever they thought was expendable disposable the the girls that were under the

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ages of 13 years old that were considered what do you say it was more about were they financially

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poor did they and they would just dispose of them as they got older more aware yeah okay yeah once

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once kind of the gig was up where they they they knew that the lies that they were being told

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were ever going to materialize that that they that no matter what they did for these rich

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people they were just being used yeah um they didn't want them around to kind of spoil

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the ones that still believed in the narrative because the the to be enthusiastic willing

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participants you know okay so from your experience all the girls that

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you were exposed to during those particular two months they all died yes yeah all of the ones

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that i made any kind of uh you know ran away or escaped or i i have no idea what happened to the

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rest and was that always specifically is that that was specifically when you were at the brothel

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during those two months yes okay and when you first met trump you were about eight or nine

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and then your last the last incident with trump you said was when you were 12 or 13 that's correct

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as far as i know i i wouldn't swear it could have been a more compressed time frame say

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nine to just 11 but within those 12 or 13 yeah um but there's a chance that it ended even before

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that the the 13 year mark but it would definitely be within that time period okay because beyond

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that my life kind of changed a little bit with any of that moving forward that i can recall okay and

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where did where did you go then after that period of time were you still with marie lin and

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william kyle yeah

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when we moved out actually made my way back into there okay okay um is there anything else you think

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would be helpful for us to converse about during during this recording not that i'm not that i'm

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remembering at this time you know yeah uh even

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even some of it you know like some of it's chronological in my memory but i can't tell you

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i am pretty sure we still lived in tennessee when they sent me to the brothel and that's where i

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met samantha that's where i met patrician and sarah sarah mantha was already dead at that point

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so and then patricia died at that part so samantha was already dead

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go ahead so samantha was already dead sarah died and then samantha and then patricia

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yes okay and i can i can because i could just remember when patricia died i kind of changed

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something in in in yeah yeah yeah

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there's um yeah gosh gosh agali you know that's uh horrific circumstances

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yeah um i thought there was another you know like like a lot of these girls that just come

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up missing that's where they go man they're in that type of a situation until you know they take

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a back home barium out out in some farm or or some other place you know and it's sad to say that but

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it's it's the truth yeah yeah yeah and i remember that samantha went by she's the only one that i

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that i ever said they did and he did not and that was no matter what she was screwed

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did trump ever visit the brothel where trump was usually at the parties on the farms

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just at the parties i i don't i i couldn't tell you who all went in there yeah

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i can just remember lin dropping me off of there and just telling me how horrible it was gonna be

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the whole trip and you know i stayed there forever long and yeah

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and what year did lin commit suicide again where lin 1980 1980 no no no it was no no no it was

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hold on if i can tell you sure that's helpful um let's see 2008 so recent that's right it was recent

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live 28 for sure as well sure i saw william kyle's facebook profile post a lot of pictures of

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cruise ship travel so um

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i'm just going to pause recording here right now okay and yeah that's like um

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in terms of extremity of malevolent psychopathic sadistic so so they shot patrician the torso

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first and do you remember the description of the the i don't want to even call him a gentleman

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the gentleman who was like shuffling on his feet and was uncomfortable about how much

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pressure was suffering getting tortured i i what you would think of is like a

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yeah country boy a big country boy you know beards and a little bit of hair you know

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um yeah just so just larger country boys and i couldn't even tell you like they're

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there's more thing and just larger people dressed in what you would consider just kind of country music

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type of attire yeah and blue jeans and you know button up uh cowboy type shirts yeah so they that's

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what all of them look like okay so when they they had guns you said you remembered one and then

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two or three maybe four of them had guns one of them shot patrician the chest they tortured

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and raped patricia the one hill billy was uncomfortable and said just ended to kill patricia

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but they how long did they continue torturing patricia before they shot patrician they had

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if i had to guess i'd say probably in in the realm of 30 minutes or so

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30 minutes i can remember that that one or more of them raped her not everybody wanted

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to people one only one person really seemed exceptionally uncomfortable about the whole

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thing and didn't want to be there yeah and patricia said patricia wanted to die that was

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what you remember patricia saying to you to kill patricia like or that patrician saying

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they had beaten her like so badly i don't know if all of them had beaten her but one of them

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knew that they were going to kill her and she just said please just kill me something to that effect

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yeah and yeah and said just fucking ended or just yeah well why did you shoot you know shut

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your mouth or would we give her the two bodies or something you know uh that may not have been

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the exact conversation but that was the you know there was blood on it they said no that it

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wasn't like and then trump came in the room yes now in terms of you said you didn't remember if

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there was any cameras there was patricia getting killed film do you remember seeing any cameras at

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all i do not remember seeing any cameras at that time so if there was a way to record it

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was a setup interrupted yeah right and so there were no cameras or anything that we were

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unless there was some sort of a mirror two-way mirror and something set up behind it that's

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do you remember whether there was any sort of it would have been uh i'm sorry i'm sorry but

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go ahead it's a lot from a from a logic perspective i don't think it would have been recorded

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because those those six people were in that room too so five six four however many was i think it was

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five or six um they would have been in the whereas you know the cameras was there you just know she

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got shot yeah so in the room was there somewhere there where there might have been a people

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there could have been like maybe even yeah and you said your sense what they had said what

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they tried to convey to you is that they knew trump was coming in the room after like trump had

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hired them to yes torturing patricia wanted to gun at me and said there's gonna be an old boy

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comes in here and you know real southern drawl there's gonna be an old boy comes in here you

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go do whatever he says or i'ma put a bullet in you too and he called me something little hill

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billy flock or whatever he whatever he called in that that was the one that had yeah well i'm

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trying to just get a sense in terms of because seems obviously of that that obviously they knew

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about trump that trump wouldn't just like stand in the hallway and cool cool as heels

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is the sort of situation right like from what you've described what i know of what i know

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trump that trump would have wanted to hear what was going on or watch

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that's possible i can't remember the exact layout of the room or that trump just wanted yeah

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or trump just wanted you terrorized when trump came into the room later

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it definitely wanted me afraid yeah there's there's no doubt about that or whether that was

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from his psyche to give him some protection because you know make me more pliable i guess

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in in terms of acquiescing to whatever he he wanted to do yeah and i can just remember

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thinking i'm gonna kill this somebody if i can you know around we would say 12 years old ago

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he wasn't she well that's again that's that's understandable context you know there's a lot of

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you know policy legislation it's called law per country where you know that that's a situation

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extreme circumstances when you're you're acting in self-defense you have no idea at that point

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whether they might just come in and kill you right after they'd said if you didn't do what

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they call trump the old an old boy the old boy wanted that they'd shoot you in the head

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as well oh yeah but you know because yeah well you know there are folks that are financially

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wealthy that aren't as utterly horrifyingly malevolent you sure right right you sure my

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adult me knows knows that but but there are a lot there's obviously a lot you you encountered

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the worst of the worst without question i am hopeful though that they have already made

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one connection and if they do any more digging all they're going to do is find more connections

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yeah because mine you know at least and probably even a few years before that yeah

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so we're talking 45 years yeah let's look into databases also carry a uh a sidearm yeah

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yeah so i in terms of ed opperman i would be careful i wouldn't contact him if ed contacts you again

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is the sort of situation where um

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if you had any idea like in terms of who was corrupt and who isn't corrupt it'd be like

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more like you know in terms of investigations i think when i have some contacts in terms of

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human rights lawyers and so on and that might be where we find some more Dudley do rights

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that could help in even in terms of like prosecutors whether the United States

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and the ICC and so on there's one or two Americans that have been involved in civil

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rights one involved in civil rights cases that um i think might help

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that might be able to help um yeah so um

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okay day by day um once i get i'll get sort of a preliminary list during the next couple of days

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and um i'll get the audi files i'll get a look at them get them sorted look at getting them

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uploaded onto a proton drive and just sort of simmer with things we can sort of go through the

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list i wanted to sort of go conversation by conversation in terms of folks i'm waiting for

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callbacks from some that might have suggestions in terms of prosecutors here in canada and then

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i just want to make sure in terms of careful contacts with i don't want to waste time talking

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to americans that i don't want to waste time speaking to americans that say they're going to

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behave helpful and that don't help it's it's not right you know right right so and i want to be

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extremely careful in terms of americans just you know because of the circumstances so in your

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case i think it would be a good idea just prudent just to have a go bag packed you know

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just like i always do oh good you know what i would do if you would send me a text or something

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just with what you generally have in your go bag just is because that's helpful for me for me to

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to have a look at just in terms of you know earthquake preparedness and so on and stuff i'd

03:17:04.120 --> 03:17:10.780
love to have a look at what you guys it's it's funny that you say that because i was just right

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yeah yeah okay yeah a lot of folks that travel here they're they're shocked by how you know

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most of the canadiens they come across are like super helpful and it used to be that way here

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honest with you from somebody that's been here you know how it's an us versus them and if you're

03:19:01.750 --> 03:19:12.370
on the red team you you're bad and if you're out of it just seems performative anymore

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from both sides to to a degree but yeah one side is definitely if you just look at the money

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more corrupt in my opinion i could be wrong yeah no it's quite different it's quite different

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indeed so okay well let's you know radio silence with everyone else keep in touch with those

03:19:35.330 --> 03:19:40.850
alan analysis folks might be interesting i'll see about us get a better sense of things

03:19:40.850 --> 03:19:50.310
about you know a conversation with them maybe okay you and i and and the folks from out did

03:19:50.310 --> 03:19:58.750
you talk to anyone at the crustacean crusty and yet i have not i i answered them back but they have

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not reached back out to me if they could make a connection to either william sasha riley my legal

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name now man most sasha borrows my name before it was changed or william k riley or with them

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if they did reach back out because i certainly don't want to brush them off i think we shall see

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yeah i think if they follow up just again it's i just have a really strong sense that should really

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be radio silence um i'd really like to see in terms of speaking to some ethical prosecutors or

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yeah yeah yeah well they don't have any they don't those perpetrators don't have any saying

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in the matter so exactly exactly yeah sounds good enjoy the rest of the day

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and um i'll look forward to checking in soon you do as well thank you okay bye bye okay so i'm

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recording right now so yeah looks like um so there's obviously a lot of activity i've seen

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graham was was asking for a special counselor to get appointed to investigate obama for treason

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so seems to me like you know what this was what we were speaking about yesterday

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you know the very fundamental question is what sort of crimes are the republicans willing to

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attempt to commit to try to squash this story well it doesn't seem like there's anything that's

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off the table um you know if if and this is just speculation you know i've read things that

03:24:14.570 --> 03:24:24.090
suggest it but i wouldn't present it as fact but if they have already used the system to silence

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epstein then you would have to make the logical conclusion that there is no

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there is no barrier you know for them other than what they believe they may get away with

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that would you know that that would just be where i would where i would be from a logic standpoint

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if if i were you know if i were questioned on what i thought yeah i understand so let's

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sort of run through a few things so i spoke i called the the federal rcp yesterday and unfortunately

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they just referred me back to a local priest like a look to the local police here which they

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can only really do anything if it's is tied to vancouver island and the only way it could seem

03:25:15.250 --> 03:25:19.030
like it's tied to vancouver island if there's like you know some sort of threat or something

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that being said i did have a long conversation with the police officer who had some interesting

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feedback and um a um towards the end of the discussion that the officer said well the

03:25:34.990 --> 03:25:40.550
officer mainly said what the officer needs is even to to write up an investigation to get

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referred to their intel department and then to the right agency they need some corroborative

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not so much evidence in the films but just reports like you know do you have a copy of

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your military the years you're in the military do you have any copies of the cps reports and

03:25:58.910 --> 03:26:04.790
stuff because they have some of those documents they can include then to write up so then goes

03:26:04.790 --> 03:26:12.670
into their intel department and off to the right agency okay so that's what i sent you um an email

03:26:12.670 --> 03:26:16.850
love but i we can talk about that in a minute because i think there's some optics there we

03:26:16.850 --> 03:26:23.990
want to be careful how we're asking those questions right in terms of flags so but then the officer

03:26:24.850 --> 03:26:33.770
the officer a the officer offered to store the audio securely and b the officer offered to

03:26:33.770 --> 03:26:38.590
listen to the audio while you know i said and what about we get some of these

03:26:39.250 --> 03:26:44.150
documents what can the officer look at and the officer said then you know then the officer

03:26:44.150 --> 03:26:52.350
can write up a longer police report with something that sort of corroborates um and by corroborate i'm

03:26:52.350 --> 03:26:57.190
not talking about like the films or anything just like some starting point in terms of an

03:26:57.190 --> 03:27:03.530
investigation to refer to their intel group and then to another agency whether it's like a

03:27:04.050 --> 03:27:06.890
you know regarding national security or whatever so

03:27:08.210 --> 03:27:09.410
so

03:27:11.630 --> 03:27:25.950
i have an idea yeah all right so in 1989 i was uh housed at a behavioral hospital in alabama it's

03:27:25.950 --> 03:27:33.930
called uh charter woods memorial hospital or mental hospital i'm not sure um

03:27:33.930 --> 03:27:42.910
um my parents had accused me of being on drugs so i wasn't not that i not at that point in my life

03:27:42.910 --> 03:27:49.530
i have experimented with drugs since but not as a child not willingly as a child so anyway

03:27:49.530 --> 03:27:54.430
that would have been the first time that i talked about donald trump specifically by name

03:27:55.490 --> 03:28:00.970
so i'm gonna go there as soon as i get my bike back it could be as early as tomorrow

03:28:00.970 --> 03:28:06.310
but i'll take a little road trip and see if i can't get that paperwork the hospital itself has

03:28:06.310 --> 03:28:11.150
been closed down but as i understand it all medical records have to be stored in the uh

03:28:11.150 --> 03:28:17.690
medical archives and i forget which city that's in but it's alabama's not very far from me so

03:28:18.250 --> 03:28:24.770
i'll take a trip down there and see if i can retrieve those because that in my mind is the

03:28:24.770 --> 03:28:30.970
best connection that i have because i mentioned him by name that was the first time that i did that

03:28:31.430 --> 03:28:39.590
yeah okay so that's that's great now i think with the information if you can't get from them i know

03:28:39.590 --> 03:28:46.610
you can file a freedom of information act request my only concern was that we really look at if

03:28:46.610 --> 03:28:52.790
you suddenly start filing all these requests on police reports and cps reports would that flag

03:28:52.790 --> 03:28:58.890
anything and i don't want to talk to any journalists that i don't to get them to flag i was hoping

03:28:59.830 --> 03:29:04.210
police requests and i'm even looking carefully at you know how could i look at requesting

03:29:04.210 --> 03:29:09.690
or can i do so somehow anonymously so that's what i'm trying to sort of sort a bit there

03:29:10.310 --> 03:29:15.270
what the what else no that's that would be extremely helpful information obviously those

03:29:15.270 --> 03:29:20.910
files the other one that you can request that would help would be anything from your

03:29:20.910 --> 03:29:30.750
interview at fork arson okay are you comfortable to well my biggest thing there would just be

03:29:32.090 --> 03:29:38.870
i would just you know the the military isn't like if i were to contact fork arson now they would

03:29:38.870 --> 03:29:44.190
have no idea what i'm talking about i'd have to track down those people yeah that were involved

03:29:44.190 --> 03:29:48.470
in that investigation and that is possible i'm still in contact with some of the people

03:29:49.070 --> 03:29:54.690
that i served with from that time so i would just need to reach out to some people and see if that

03:29:54.690 --> 03:30:00.070
if that's a possibility yeah that seems like that um

03:30:02.410 --> 03:30:08.830
so don't contact fork art like if you what i was hoping is we could get like a copy of

03:30:09.950 --> 03:30:14.230
your interview from fork arson but i understand with us military all sort of

03:30:14.230 --> 03:30:21.190
classifications that might be difficult it might be yes but they would have records of the films

03:30:21.190 --> 03:30:27.210
that's the thing they would yeah they would have i would think they have copies somewhere

03:30:27.790 --> 03:30:38.010
is that they possibly would unless they destroyed them yeah i don't know what the the the rules of

03:30:38.010 --> 03:30:48.070
evidence are in something like that um very possibly they they could i mean seems like

03:30:48.070 --> 03:30:55.710
what we could start with is with was it bales and the other fellow that that if you could try

03:30:55.710 --> 03:31:04.870
to contact them and ask them you know if they would be willing to to talk about it yeah

03:31:05.530 --> 03:31:12.550
and just say it's extremely confidential isn't with any that it's that it would be confidential and

03:31:12.550 --> 03:31:21.010
and so on like that it's just like a starting point there right well i will reach out in that

03:31:21.010 --> 03:31:27.110
direction and see what i can what i can what i can reach and as soon as i get my bike back

03:31:27.810 --> 03:31:33.350
i will take a little trip been kind of wanting to go for a ride anyway so yeah well let me ask

03:31:33.350 --> 03:31:40.390
you a question like do you think is there any way that they could be like if you even reaching out to

03:31:40.390 --> 03:31:54.550
them might trigger anything in terms of um not from their end um if if like uh if i'm being monitored

03:31:54.550 --> 03:32:02.510
you know if i'm being passively you know surveilled in some way then maybe but

03:32:02.510 --> 03:32:08.810
i don't know there's so much going on that i i i would not think that

03:32:10.890 --> 03:32:18.210
too many resources would be dedicated to me you know kind of just uh the everything that's

03:32:18.210 --> 03:32:26.510
going on i doubt i doubt it would raise any flags not less i could see potentially if

03:32:26.510 --> 03:32:32.610
i started going and trying to get my cps reports and and uh you know contacting

03:32:33.530 --> 03:32:37.810
texas tensi alabama in florida trying to get the police reports from my childhood

03:32:38.330 --> 03:32:43.150
i could see maybe that raising a red flag yeah but as far as just me reaching out to my old

03:32:43.150 --> 03:32:47.930
army buddies i i don't i don't think so i think i could probably communicate with them see what

03:32:47.930 --> 03:32:57.410
they remember um so my suggestion is that before you reach out to the your old army buddies that you

03:32:58.310 --> 03:33:03.590
get those the paperwork from the hospital first because that's a very important starting point

03:33:03.590 --> 03:33:07.590
just in case you're reaching out to your buddies would in any way trigger anything

03:33:08.510 --> 03:33:16.930
and you can travel there safely to and from and so on okay okay so yeah let's get the paperwork

03:33:16.930 --> 03:33:21.730
from the hospital and then we can look at reaching out to the army buddies afterwards

03:33:23.390 --> 03:33:30.390
um and then whatever of those copies will just figure out how you can just photograph them and

03:33:30.390 --> 03:33:36.430
and and i think um with proton mail there's something called proton drive and there's like

03:33:36.430 --> 03:33:41.750
a certain amount of gigabytes of storage in fact i just uploaded one of the audio recordings

03:33:41.750 --> 03:33:47.650
and proton drive because i'm looking at how is most effective to get to the police officer

03:33:47.650 --> 03:33:54.890
once i go through those other audio recordings and like and then on a positive like the audio

03:33:54.890 --> 03:34:01.190
how great the audio recordings will be stored on a victoria police department's secure server

03:34:01.860 --> 03:34:07.270
but the bank so that that's something that's important i feel much better about that actually

03:34:07.270 --> 03:34:18.090
as a starting point so okay and then um i think now one of the what the police officer said

03:34:18.750 --> 03:34:23.550
well let's talk about some of those in terms of like the investigation that's the sort of

03:34:23.550 --> 03:34:28.250
you know from their perspective they look and they say okay how do they know you're telling

03:34:28.250 --> 03:34:33.470
the truth and i said well when you hear the audio recording so you'll hopefully you can discern

03:34:34.170 --> 03:34:42.090
right you know some folks some folks are different you know like no the police officers you know got

03:34:42.090 --> 03:34:50.810
lots of experience and you know i know the police officers approach to hearing the audio files

03:34:50.810 --> 03:34:55.630
would be quite different than than sometimes how they might look so they're asking well how

03:34:55.630 --> 03:35:00.030
did you where did i meet you you know those sort of questions and i said well i offered to

03:35:00.030 --> 03:35:07.090
help you know i tried to provide the right context so in terms of um you know i know what

03:35:07.090 --> 03:35:13.190
sort of questions folks will ask and so some of the folks like something that in terms of

03:35:13.190 --> 03:35:18.990
documentation that helps in terms of with the police is that you know that yeah you were you

03:35:18.990 --> 03:35:23.280
were at the army do you have like a document that says what you're doing service that you

03:35:23.280 --> 03:35:30.940
send me that we can start filing oh yeah yeah i got a dg2 14 that that uh that gives you my years

03:35:30.940 --> 03:35:35.860
of service yeah i can cooperate that like in the next few minutes as soon as i get off the phone

03:35:35.860 --> 03:35:41.700
oh sure that's perfect because then i can send um when i send a link to the audio files i can

03:35:41.700 --> 03:35:49.820
send an email um with the document anything that we have that would help to provide

03:35:49.820 --> 03:35:56.720
context right now even before she's listening to the audio files yeah yeah i can i can upload my dd2

03:35:56.720 --> 03:36:02.540
14 my most current one and it'll have both periods of service it'll have all my schools all my awards

03:36:03.260 --> 03:36:09.980
it'll have everything so it's it's a i don't know how familiar you are with uh uh the military

03:36:09.980 --> 03:36:16.460
but whenever you uh ets whenever one of your uh term is up they give you that document and

03:36:16.460 --> 03:36:24.940
it's basically your entire career encapsulated into mine's two pages long yeah so yeah i have no

03:36:24.940 --> 03:36:31.860
problems sending that to you um and she has relatives she just to context i was gonna say she has relatives

03:36:31.860 --> 03:36:39.440
in the military so she has some context in terms of military family so okay um the only thing i might

03:36:39.440 --> 03:36:44.080
redact off with that is my social security number and i would only do that by putting uh

03:36:44.080 --> 03:36:48.060
like a little piece of paper or something where the social security number is sure um

03:36:49.180 --> 03:36:53.800
just in case it gets passed around i just you know don't want my social security number

03:36:55.480 --> 03:36:59.540
to have access and i won't even redact the whole thing i'll leave my last four or something

03:36:59.540 --> 03:37:04.240
yeah that would be perfect because i think that's pretty standard in canada documents

03:37:04.240 --> 03:37:09.880
just the last couple of digits okay i'll i'll do that as soon as we get off the phone like i

03:37:09.880 --> 03:37:15.320
know right where that's at that's in my go back awesome now then another thing to ask in terms of

03:37:15.320 --> 03:37:20.940
with the military when you were questioned did you do they give you any documentation when you

03:37:20.940 --> 03:37:26.800
were questioned about the films do you have any notes from those years or anything no nothing like

03:37:26.800 --> 03:37:33.040
that okay i could just remember getting pulled into the office and and really the only question

03:37:33.040 --> 03:37:38.980
was you know these these movies are obviously older how old were you when when you did them

03:37:38.980 --> 03:37:45.580
is that you and how old were you when you did it yeah and uh you know i said without seeing the

03:37:45.580 --> 03:37:50.860
movie i couldn't tell you but it started at nine and ended it you know i remember it starting out

03:37:50.860 --> 03:37:57.780
at about nine and then it ended around 13 so about the same thing i told you um that hasn't

03:37:57.780 --> 03:38:05.560
changed over the years okay uh it is possible however that nine is just where i begin to remember it

03:38:05.560 --> 03:38:12.900
and it it is very possible that it was happening before that so if i'm inaccurate that would be

03:38:12.900 --> 03:38:19.520
the only way that i am being inaccurate it's just not remembering more okay well i think when we have

03:38:19.520 --> 03:38:26.980
some further discussions sort of you know i know how i can ask some questions that might help a bit

03:38:26.980 --> 03:38:32.840
with memory but like i say i'm really um focus on what's actually empowering you know

03:38:34.780 --> 03:38:36.340
so in terms of like

03:38:38.420 --> 03:38:44.680
like what you feel more freedom about what's most helpful you know

03:38:46.720 --> 03:38:47.500
all right

03:38:50.600 --> 03:38:57.760
so well well that's okay so that's a good start um those documents are great and you don't have

03:38:57.760 --> 03:39:04.840
do you have any copies of like the when you when did you first so there's the stuff from when you

03:39:04.840 --> 03:39:10.700
were younger cps report any mentions of the police incidents those ones are super super

03:39:10.700 --> 03:39:14.220
important but we've got to figure out a different approach of getting those because

03:39:14.820 --> 03:39:20.320
that would be a red flag if you're asking and if there was any surveillance on the telephone

03:39:20.320 --> 03:39:26.560
call i'm even careful about requesting so i'm trying to figure out what sort of requests we

03:39:26.560 --> 03:39:35.020
can get in there how we can get that information like that's where i was hoping i i actually even

03:39:35.020 --> 03:39:42.060
forgot to tell you i sent an instagram message extremely vague to alan analysis he hasn't gotten

03:39:42.060 --> 03:39:48.100
back to me yet but i'll tell you what i said um howdy do you signal i'd like to ask you some

03:39:48.100 --> 03:39:52.180
questions and provide some information carefully i've been helping an individual you've been helping

03:39:52.700 --> 03:39:57.820
signal chat time sensitive and all i was i'm not going to tell alan anything about our

03:39:57.820 --> 03:40:04.080
discussion i was going to only ask him after i get a better sense of him if he could

03:40:07.160 --> 03:40:12.660
share with you the yeah the connection that he has yeah that would certainly be helpful

03:40:13.640 --> 03:40:19.700
yeah and if he has like um because we've got your text messages but like if he can like

03:40:19.700 --> 03:40:25.980
provide copies of what exactly he saw in the epstein files or pointers to where we can download

03:40:25.980 --> 03:40:33.720
them that's that's good thinking i like that yeah and i will i will send you that

03:40:33.720 --> 03:40:42.520
and i'll the states where this happened are problematic just because of how red they are

03:40:42.520 --> 03:40:50.820
texas obvious tennessee's just as red if not even even more so alabama is in the same boat and so

03:40:50.820 --> 03:40:58.800
is florida you know um if if if like one of the states had been massachusetts or delaware

03:40:58.800 --> 03:41:05.760
or something like that i would be it's not even a matter of being comfortable asking for it it's just

03:41:05.760 --> 03:41:12.600
like you said of drawing attention and if we're not trying to do that at this point it might

03:41:13.300 --> 03:41:23.720
but if there is some sort of way even electronically to try to request that yeah i mean i know with

03:41:23.720 --> 03:41:30.800
i don't know i'm just thinking i think like what the constable said is that and i did do a little bit

03:41:30.800 --> 03:41:37.880
of research like the constable said you know that those are requests the constable i don't

03:41:37.880 --> 03:41:43.420
think the constable was quite totally comprehending in terms of safety like the constable is still

03:41:43.420 --> 03:41:48.180
sort of thinking in terms of well what could the constable looked at to corroborate i think when

03:41:48.180 --> 03:41:54.980
the constable hears testimony and sees some documents will be helpful right just some folks

03:41:54.980 --> 03:42:03.180
are better when they see more um absolutely so i think you know because the constable said you

03:42:03.180 --> 03:42:09.820
know you can request all those documents freedom of information act that i could even request them

03:42:09.820 --> 03:42:16.240
from canada but what you and i are concerned about is roy black right just it's just weird

03:42:16.240 --> 03:42:21.640
and i said to the constant it's just it's could just be coincidence but abundance of caution

03:42:22.200 --> 03:42:28.820
we're careful because obviously um the information on roy black and i mean

03:42:30.100 --> 03:42:36.620
nobody seems to really have looked much at howard um howard it we and kyle at all and

03:42:36.620 --> 03:42:41.200
it's just a bit odd that suddenly there's roy black drops dead a day after we've

03:42:43.220 --> 03:42:53.420
spoken on on an oak you know on a with a call dropout so right all right well i will i will forward

03:42:53.420 --> 03:42:58.720
you those things and i will start getting me an itinerary to go down to alabama to probably be

03:42:58.720 --> 03:43:03.280
monday tuesday wednesday of next week something like that and it's contingent on me getting my

03:43:03.280 --> 03:43:10.680
motorcycle back okay so uh i i just spoke to the guy yesterday the part was on order as of

03:43:10.680 --> 03:43:17.340
monday it was supposed to be in today or tomorrow at the latest apparently it's not that difficult

03:43:17.340 --> 03:43:23.380
to put on and after it's on i should be good to go okay so i'm hoping to get the bike back

03:43:23.380 --> 03:43:31.600
as early as tomorrow or um early next week at the latest unless of course that part doesn't

03:43:31.600 --> 03:43:38.700
yeah so something else then so then i'm just sort of like question mark in terms of how to get at

03:43:38.700 --> 03:43:44.860
those files um all those other sort of reports because those are helpful contexts but the hospital

03:43:44.860 --> 03:43:49.200
one is is quite helpful but the other reports are really important because there's police

03:43:49.860 --> 03:43:53.820
you know because wasn't didn't you said there was a police report filed regarding

03:43:53.820 --> 03:44:00.460
the complaint to samantha regarding samantha oh yeah there was a whole investigation that involved

03:44:00.460 --> 03:44:07.860
the fbi and the local police because when they first got her the only thing she had was like a uh

03:44:07.860 --> 03:44:17.200
little plastic bag of uh like one change of clothes so we went and and and in the beginning they weren't

03:44:17.640 --> 03:44:27.540
you know hurting her they they just had us both there um and there was a witness at the shoe

03:44:27.540 --> 03:44:36.020
store that we went to um that that remembered both of us because you know we were kids and and

03:44:36.980 --> 03:44:43.000
it it was her being a black girl and me being a white kid it was it was just something that

03:44:43.000 --> 03:44:49.800
stood out to the uh to the witness there she was a slender black lady and she i know she was

03:44:49.800 --> 03:44:55.060
part of the investigation because she thought something was fishy even in the store um

03:44:55.060 --> 03:44:59.760
just the way that lin was acting lin was the one that actually took us out to get these clothes

03:45:02.140 --> 03:45:07.920
but yes there was an investigation and nothing came out of it but there was there was it was

03:45:07.920 --> 03:45:13.400
more than just like a welfare check or something like that they came and did a full investigation

03:45:13.400 --> 03:45:19.920
they did find blood in the room that we're being stored in and i was as a result of that

03:45:19.920 --> 03:45:29.360
investigation turned into cps again so and that was your second time at cps oh it was at least

03:45:29.360 --> 03:45:34.460
the third time i had been referred to cps that that would have been in alabama i had already

03:45:34.460 --> 03:45:40.360
been referred to cps in tennessee during the year that we lived there and i'd been

03:45:40.360 --> 03:45:46.220
referred into the cps system in texas so texas tennessee and alabama i was referred

03:45:46.220 --> 03:45:56.640
into the cps system and then in florida the beach incident at the riptide uh uh area that generated

03:45:56.640 --> 03:46:03.360
another investigation the the sheriff came down did a uh uh witness statements and all of that

03:46:03.360 --> 03:46:10.260
from the guy that fished me out of off the sandbar brought me in um they did interviews and then

03:46:10.880 --> 03:46:18.820
we left uh from the beach went home and the sheriff in alabama came and talked to my dad so

03:46:18.820 --> 03:46:29.040
there it was a across both of those uh states so there was at least a precursory investigation

03:46:29.040 --> 03:46:37.120
even if all that was was a welfare check but it went through the um the sheriff's office the police

03:46:37.120 --> 03:46:42.980
stationed there in dubrock in alabama let me ask you a question when the investigation when they found

03:46:42.980 --> 03:46:51.720
blood in the room where you and samantha were were held did they did they experience awareness

03:46:51.720 --> 03:46:56.640
samantha died or had samantha's body being moved already so they were investigating

03:46:57.280 --> 03:47:02.300
they were investigating samantha's body had already been moved and the only thing that

03:47:02.300 --> 03:47:07.940
they had was the one eyewitness account and what they told the police was that she was a runaway

03:47:09.000 --> 03:47:15.600
that they took in for a period of time and then she ran back away so they never even saw samantha's

03:47:15.600 --> 03:47:24.960
body no no as far as i know it's never been recovered so samantha's body was never recovered

03:47:25.640 --> 03:47:39.810
as far as i know it has not been um but that blood in that room was from her

03:47:40.710 --> 03:47:51.990
because that was the thing it did not match any of us and it was hurt okay now um let's see

03:47:51.990 --> 03:47:58.490
so samantha's body wasn't recovered there was a full full investigation and you said

03:47:58.490 --> 03:48:06.550
you told the fbi what you remembered or you told the police that i i told the police many many

03:48:06.550 --> 03:48:13.850
years later many years later okay but not right then many years later yes i i don't think i was even

03:48:13.850 --> 03:48:18.690
allowed to speak to the that's what i recall okay no that's okay that's what i remember you said

03:48:19.270 --> 03:48:26.210
yes years later so let's just jump forward a bit in terms of you told the police when you

03:48:26.210 --> 03:48:32.330
filed your police or fbi reports yes later so what years did you file those reports

03:48:33.130 --> 03:48:45.450
would have been around 2021 2020 maybe 2020 2021 yes okay so and then you told the police

03:48:46.690 --> 03:48:53.370
yes i said and and you know i i really tried to stick with the things that could be verified like

03:48:53.370 --> 03:48:57.630
going back and looking at the your investigations and stuff like that i remember

03:48:57.630 --> 03:49:04.510
or more stuff that that you can't get anything to really corroborate so you know i just tried

03:49:04.510 --> 03:49:09.910
to focus on okay well i know this generated a police report i remember this generated a

03:49:09.910 --> 03:49:14.410
police report so i just stuck to those things which was kind of the same thing that i did with

03:49:14.410 --> 03:49:21.270
with you you know um now i don't actually have those police reports but

03:49:21.270 --> 03:49:29.250
they should exist yeah and those again are ones that you can request copies of those police reports

03:49:29.250 --> 03:49:34.190
or fbi reports and that's one of the questions the the constable asked me and i think it's helpful

03:49:34.190 --> 03:49:38.550
just in terms of perception perception the constable said well why don't you have copies

03:49:38.550 --> 03:49:43.570
of the police reports and i said well i would ask you that that's you know early in our

03:49:43.570 --> 03:49:49.770
discussions um let me ask you a question when you got the police reports and so on that was

03:49:49.770 --> 03:49:56.550
2020 21 i mean i know that when i filed complaints you don't usually get a copy right away you have

03:49:56.550 --> 03:50:04.330
to request the report right so when you file those reports they what's the standard in the

03:50:04.330 --> 03:50:09.590
united states they offer you copies is it just assumed that you would have to request a copy of

03:50:09.590 --> 03:50:16.770
those reports i can go i mean that lawton is just 30 something miles away i can go and

03:50:16.770 --> 03:50:23.030
and request you know the deposit the disposition of that case i'm sure it's been closed

03:50:24.530 --> 03:50:32.590
um but i can go request it yeah okay i can do that one just i just i don't think that that

03:50:32.590 --> 03:50:38.530
would raise any red flags let me let me see let me go tomorrow and and and see if i can get a copy

03:50:38.530 --> 03:50:44.810
of that one that one might be the the easiest the most attainable one for me to get right now

03:50:46.250 --> 03:50:51.890
okay i don't have to cross any state lines or anything to go get that so the and the lawton

03:50:51.890 --> 03:51:01.130
one is from 2020 2021 ish yes i could be wrong on that i just i'm i'm in my mind i'm thinking i

03:51:01.130 --> 03:51:06.610
still had my cheap so that would have been around that time because i was trying to remember what

03:51:06.610 --> 03:51:12.310
vehicle i drove and that was the first time as an adult that you'd filed police report right

03:51:14.950 --> 03:51:24.550
let me yes okay yes and did you file an fbi report during the same year or i reached out to the fbi

03:51:24.550 --> 03:51:36.070
and spoke to them on uh first through social media and then uh um we did a follow-on uh back

03:51:36.070 --> 03:51:42.510
and forth but but that was it i never went to like the fbi building and sat down and gave a

03:51:42.510 --> 03:51:48.690
deposition or anything like that his response was just to go to the local police and that would

03:51:48.690 --> 03:51:56.870
that should trigger a larger scale investigation so that's what i did um to the best of my recollection

03:51:56.870 --> 03:52:02.230
i i reached out to the fbi in the beginning because i knew that the fbi had been involved

03:52:02.690 --> 03:52:09.170
in the one in uh alabama in that investigation in alabama with uh in regards to samantha

03:52:09.170 --> 03:52:18.670
and also they were involved in the uh investigation that landed uh the parents of the girl that i did

03:52:18.670 --> 03:52:24.630
the one movie with in tennessee in jail i know that the fbi was involved in that one as well so

03:52:24.630 --> 03:52:31.790
i figured they were as the larger scale operation they would be the ones to go to but they then

03:52:31.790 --> 03:52:37.130
referred me back down to the local police so what occurred with me yesterday when i was trying to

03:52:37.130 --> 03:52:42.030
get in touch with somebody more an international policing with the rcmp they they seem to

03:52:42.650 --> 03:52:47.130
whatever their sort of procedures are they seem to sometimes get a little caught up in

03:52:47.130 --> 03:52:51.350
following procedures instead of thinking like of the specifics of each case so

03:52:51.890 --> 03:52:56.870
i understand so okay so you talk to this fbi they told you to go to the police

03:52:57.530 --> 03:53:01.690
you filed the police report and you can get a copy of the report in motton

03:53:01.690 --> 03:53:10.670
yes now i'll do that tomorrow okay so friday will you just sort of like just let's sort of set a

03:53:10.670 --> 03:53:16.090
sort of standard about check in with me morning and evening wellness checks okay i would just

03:53:16.090 --> 03:53:31.670
feel better yeah absolutely okay i will get you that that the uh the dd 214 i'll get you that

03:53:32.310 --> 03:53:40.130
yes and then and then the the medical the paperwork from the hospital that's a little bit more of a

03:53:40.130 --> 03:53:48.910
of a of a of a involved process but yeah sure i don't i don't mind right okay right down to alabama

03:53:48.910 --> 03:53:56.790
and grabbing that okay so dd 214 police report paperwork from hospital then we're looking at

03:53:56.790 --> 03:54:04.370
for the army buddies for karson army buddies yes and while we're sort of sorting out in terms of

03:54:05.410 --> 03:54:11.390
all the other police reports you mentioned in would you be mentioned in the report where

03:54:12.230 --> 03:54:19.550
the other girls parents were charged yes yes because they investigated my parents they

03:54:19.550 --> 03:54:26.270
they knew it was me in the video they just didn't have enough evidence to convict my parents

03:54:26.870 --> 03:54:32.570
they got the girls parents because even though they were careful not to show the faces of us

03:54:32.570 --> 03:54:38.670
the children in the in the film they had enough identifying features of the house of the basement

03:54:38.670 --> 03:54:47.550
where we filmed the film and it was uh it was the uh the house of the parents of the girl

03:54:47.550 --> 03:54:54.310
is where we filmed it okay so those yeah so those are really important reports to get

03:54:54.310 --> 03:54:59.150
but we've got to figure out how to get those safely because those could certainly if there's a bunch of

03:54:59.150 --> 03:55:04.950
those that you request they could get flagged i need to sort of simmer about because there's all

03:55:04.950 --> 03:55:10.930
requests that we should be getting all of those in all um but maybe starting with that report

03:55:11.590 --> 03:55:17.090
i'll just see figure out yeah let's kind of noodle a bit about getting those safely

03:55:17.650 --> 03:55:22.630
because it's simple enough to request the reports i just don't want you to request the reports

03:55:22.630 --> 03:55:27.510
although sometimes they can't get them you can get them faster in terms of victim reports but

03:55:27.510 --> 03:55:36.730
what is this be really careful right um right and then um super i just feel like super careful

03:55:36.730 --> 03:55:41.990
with alan as well right because i was looking at some of alan's posts and alan seems to like to

03:55:41.990 --> 03:55:48.330
sort of post about you know when alan's posted something that the mega republicans have

03:55:48.330 --> 03:55:55.430
gotten angry at so we want to be careful that alan didn't um not to speak say a bunch of swear words

03:55:55.430 --> 03:56:05.890
fuck shit up i kind of got that from the ed opperman reports yeah and my concern i'm telling you

03:56:05.890 --> 03:56:11.570
there when you mentioned amanda i'm like you know there's just something odd about ed opperman

03:56:11.570 --> 03:56:17.670
either ed opperman is like sort of a sleazy ambulance chaser or ed opperman's a sleazy

03:56:17.670 --> 03:56:24.830
ambulance chaser and there's some connection in terms of like some different layers of the trump

03:56:24.830 --> 03:56:32.710
imps din pedophile enterprise that they were using pilots and pis to recruit traffic and

03:56:32.710 --> 03:56:43.950
silence victims yeah i think that would be an accurate deal yeah so okay well this stuff is

03:56:43.950 --> 03:56:51.990
sort of helpful starting um i really again like super quiet until after monday or tuesday for sure

03:56:52.750 --> 03:56:59.470
super careful i think it would really help us not even look at the news much i'm because i don't

03:57:01.050 --> 03:57:07.090
um just like super selective looking at the news i think because there's might be a lot of

03:57:07.090 --> 03:57:11.670
announcements suddenly and we don't want to behave distracted or blindsided

03:57:15.130 --> 03:57:21.170
well i have been being very careful so i will continue to do that and i will get you those papers

03:57:21.170 --> 03:57:27.270
here just to be awesome now i just wanted there's something else i was going to ask you

03:57:27.910 --> 03:57:32.430
i guess we covered most of it right now um

03:57:32.430 --> 03:57:39.690
um oh yeah just like in terms of getting a copy gets information from alan in terms of

03:57:40.430 --> 03:57:46.290
either a link to where in the public archives the mention is of william kyle or

03:57:46.950 --> 03:57:52.290
you know alan to send you copies screen even screenshots is a start and a link

03:57:53.190 --> 03:58:00.310
okay i haven't been back in contact with him since since i gave you that information but okay

03:58:03.330 --> 03:58:06.950
we're getting your paperwork right now and seeing what i got here

03:58:08.910 --> 03:58:16.410
oh all right has alan posted recently have you noticed i have not i've only had the the

03:58:16.410 --> 03:58:22.050
interactions that i've discussed with you with him okay so outside of that

03:58:23.450 --> 03:58:37.750
yeah it looks like last time was 20 hours ago here's my dd2 14 awesome okay yep fight on top

03:58:38.470 --> 03:58:41.770
woohoo oh and it's already redacted

03:58:43.810 --> 03:58:48.530
hmm perfect it's ready to send all right i'll send those to you in just a minute

03:58:50.810 --> 03:59:03.420
awesome oh just a second okay yeah i was just checking that okay yeah no we're good

03:59:04.140 --> 03:59:06.960
um yeah get those off to me and um

03:59:06.960 --> 03:59:18.060
um i feel like um yeah i'm i'm gonna snorkel a bit okay sounds good hit some golf balls yesterday

03:59:18.060 --> 03:59:23.560
i'm gonna snorkel a bit and stuff and then i'm just sort of pacing in terms of get it going

03:59:23.560 --> 03:59:27.860
through those audio but it's at least it's all underway now and so on and i'll get some other

03:59:27.860 --> 03:59:33.880
copies to some other folks today all right sounds good and i'll get you these these uh

03:59:33.880 --> 03:59:39.700
you'll get them in the next five minutes probably sounds good all right talk to you in a little bit

03:59:39.700 --> 03:59:55.580
talk to you soon bye bye bye um i'm gonna i just are you okay if i record right now yeah okay you

03:59:55.580 --> 04:00:01.200
can't okay well you know what was going on there in alabama where they got caught with those

04:00:01.200 --> 04:00:09.040
10 kids um that's just essentially what i came from you know something like that and i as i

04:00:09.040 --> 04:00:14.200
understand it five of the kids out of the 10 were related to the people running the operation

04:00:14.980 --> 04:00:22.940
the trumpets during operation yes and you know in as much as as as these people are

04:00:22.940 --> 04:00:29.500
going to go down they were working for somebody yeah so you know i'm sure that those and they

04:00:29.500 --> 04:00:36.520
deserve to go to prison and all of that stuff but they were running this deal and filming

04:00:36.520 --> 04:00:43.240
their films and doing all the things that they were doing for somebody else so whoever i mean

04:00:43.240 --> 04:00:50.280
epstein's not running anymore gets laying Maxwell's in prison but i would i would just about guarantee

04:00:50.280 --> 04:00:59.380
that wasn't the end of it yeah so with those when we were just um discussing with the parties

04:00:59.380 --> 04:01:03.720
those those torture parties with the girls at the brothels they'd go to the parties

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and often they didn't come back from the parties we summarize again what

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what what was going on there well sometimes they would go to the party and they would

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they would be uh beaten to death or tortured to death um at the party by the client other

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times they would go to the party um and depending on the i know sometimes the status of the person

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that that uh that the girls had been an escort for would be problematic because they wouldn't want

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to leave like a witness so you mean like just an individual that was considered high profile

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yes i couldn't name names on that i don't know who but uh yeah sometimes they didn't want to

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leave the uh the girl alive

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so how often when the girls from the brothels would go to the parties

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how often did the girls not come back if i had to guess i'd say like half the time half the time

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yeah the parties weren't something that happened all that often you know like

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it'd be around like the federal holidays and stuff like that labor day you know uh

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was it July where you typically would would think of as a four-day weekend

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yeah and you know not all of them had parties uh well i guess all those big weeks have parties but

04:02:41.480 --> 04:02:48.380
you know uh not all of them were were those type of parties where they had underage

04:02:48.380 --> 04:02:55.020
people i guess so i don't know i don't know how that was that part was organized

04:02:58.000 --> 04:03:04.040
yeah yeah so they seem to tie the parties with holiday weekends and things where

04:03:04.700 --> 04:03:11.520
could be presented sort of like oh they were just it was a labor day party

04:03:11.520 --> 04:03:17.340
oh it was like a christmas holiday parties some parties at the locations but

04:03:18.000 --> 04:03:24.700
was always where the parties were then dwindled to tell eight or ten of the more depraved pedophiles

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yeah this was when a lot of the more depraved torture and rape and murder occurred correct

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yes okay and i just think that that's an important distinction because a lot of those people that

04:03:38.600 --> 04:03:45.180
did go to those parties and might have done some cocaine and might have you know had a an affair

04:03:45.180 --> 04:03:53.280
or or whatever with a an escort it just doesn't rise to the level of what happened towards the end

04:03:53.280 --> 04:03:58.360
of them then that's a different you know there's an illegality of what happened in the beginning

04:03:58.360 --> 04:04:04.940
of that but then there's you know obviously there's there's different levels of of everything

04:04:06.060 --> 04:04:13.300
so and i think to some degree the people that that were were waiting there to the end of the party i mean

04:04:13.300 --> 04:04:18.420
they're using all of those other big names and stuff that may have done things that they're not proud

04:04:18.420 --> 04:04:26.940
of as cover yeah you know it couldn't have possibly happened at this party because hey you know

04:04:26.940 --> 04:04:32.100
everybody and their brother was at that party well i think they were probably yeah and i think they

04:04:32.100 --> 04:04:38.700
were probably trying to get information on all of those attendees and sort of to use as a

04:04:39.920 --> 04:04:48.660
a protective blackmail layer regarding the more depraved torture and murder of American children

04:04:48.660 --> 04:04:56.680
yeah did you ever in those years did you ever see any one other than american children

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okay

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let me ask you another question now something i think just contextually and just more to to

04:05:11.700 --> 04:05:17.920
get a sense i know it's not what you would want to swear in a bible because here recollection is

04:05:17.920 --> 04:05:30.680
unclear but you know you talked about you know that there are individuals that that you thought

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might have been involved that you said parties that that had assaulted you are you are you okay

04:05:37.300 --> 04:05:44.140
to talk about some of those individuals now i'm asking specifically to to get more context

04:05:44.140 --> 04:05:49.560
but specifically especially in terms of how we're looking at proceeding prosecutorially

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i would make sure we're talking to the right folks especially considering how many folks

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did attend some of those bigger parties before these whittled down to the the hardcore tortures

04:06:03.500 --> 04:06:09.200
i've really kind of shared the people that that i have a clear recollection of the rest of it

04:06:09.200 --> 04:06:17.240
kind of melds together into something that i that i can't i can't verbalize well enough to

04:06:17.240 --> 04:06:25.020
make an accusation in any direction yeah you know and then for some of that type of stuff you just

04:06:25.020 --> 04:06:32.920
kind of just go off into another place there's really no other way i can describe it yeah so i

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mean you you you you deal with the aftermath but as far as the actual incidents incidents

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most of them are blurred out you know and you said in terms of the parties with the girls with

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the brothels that um well they didn't come back that they were sort of sold they were told that

04:06:58.500 --> 04:07:04.440
the girls had gone on to the mansion or to maybe somewhere a mansion overseas to

04:07:04.980 --> 04:07:12.340
kind of live out their dreams but in cases the girls were either tortured and beat to death at

04:07:12.340 --> 04:07:22.260
the parties or sometimes shot yes and what would you say was the average age of the girls there

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if i had to guess an average i'd say 13 13 right a couple maybe a year or two younger a bunch of them

04:07:34.500 --> 04:07:39.940
around that age and then and by a bunch i don't think there was ever more than five or six there

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at a time but even in the short time that i was there you know it was samantha was the only

04:07:47.740 --> 04:07:59.200
one that was there when i had gotten there i think yeah so and you said so five at a time at the brothel

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okay something like that and then at the parties when the one when it was just like the the

04:08:08.060 --> 04:08:14.360
age or 10 of the more depraved pedophiles how many kids at the parties then

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just you know maybe a couple a couple two or three yeah

04:08:21.920 --> 04:08:25.220
so eight to ten adults and two or three children

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and you said the adults would vary party to party but some of the adults were similar

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or the adults were different party to party uh there were faces that you you

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that that i saw more than once and you know in in being able to recognize people i i i have given

04:08:52.340 --> 04:08:59.160
all the ones that i really kind of recognize yeah but you would get a sense of of who was

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more safe than others yeah yeah my sense is that how that was sort of organizational

04:09:10.140 --> 04:09:18.960
structured is that there there were sort of satellite setups that there was more use of

04:09:18.960 --> 04:09:25.260
the smaller airports and even the smaller planes to transport and there was use of

04:09:25.260 --> 04:09:32.420
private investigators to recruit and then get intel even kidnap and then silence victims

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and that they did use the bigger parties to provide sort of criminal cover

04:09:41.160 --> 04:09:47.200
for the more targeted parties and that they try to keep a tight lid on the targeted parties in

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terms of the number of pedophile participants and the number of children per party in terms of victims

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right

04:10:00.860 --> 04:10:06.240
and there could have been other locations like you said you didn't experience awareness of where

04:10:06.240 --> 04:10:11.880
the perpetrators would target different victims in different locations two or three at a time

04:10:12.700 --> 04:10:25.970
i'm sure that they had i don't know it was almost so yeah it would be hard for me to believe

04:10:25.970 --> 04:10:33.130
that it was only happening in that one place i i never went to a different place that i can recall

04:10:33.130 --> 04:10:43.710
but yeah i would think sorry go ahead oh no no it's okay and do you have any sense of where

04:10:44.490 --> 04:10:48.870
like you've spoken you said there was lots of farms different locations but

04:10:49.370 --> 04:10:54.490
were you taken more often to one specific farm that that you seem to remember more

04:10:54.490 --> 04:11:00.910
is that correct no um there was one in tennessee that i went to a couple of times

04:11:03.010 --> 04:11:08.830
and then another one in alabama a couple of times and then i can't really remember

04:11:11.050 --> 04:11:15.270
specifics other than those four yeah

04:11:18.970 --> 04:11:24.490
and then one let's see we went back to that one that was those two times

04:11:27.450 --> 04:11:34.770
yeah that's that's really all i have much of a recollection of i know that i attended more

04:11:34.770 --> 04:11:44.850
things than just that it's just that as far as the specifics go yeah in terms of

04:11:44.850 --> 04:11:47.930
some of them go back you know like nine years old yeah

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okay so um i'm asking a bit like i say in terms of like

04:12:05.490 --> 04:12:11.930
figuring out sort of simply in terms of finding the right prosecutorial support

04:12:12.530 --> 04:12:18.510
and in terms of carefulness of us getting those copies of those reports like it's sort of a

04:12:18.510 --> 04:12:24.250
weird chicken and the egg thing in terms of like you know some of the police departments they'd want

04:12:24.250 --> 04:12:29.570
to look at copies of reports but we want to get those copies of their support safely without

04:12:29.570 --> 04:12:33.250
triggering anything in terms of united states surveillance

04:12:36.150 --> 04:12:41.930
well i all i can do is ask them you know like if we're if if i'm being watched

04:12:41.930 --> 04:12:46.510
then they're gonna see what i do but i don't know i can't really worry about it

04:12:46.510 --> 04:12:49.310
no you can't you can't you can't

04:12:50.950 --> 04:12:57.350
i mean what's what's your sense in terms of what's really right for you

04:12:57.350 --> 04:13:04.390
i have no idea to be honest uh yeah i'm kind of curious i want to go up there and get that

04:13:04.390 --> 04:13:12.170
police report and if if i'm able to get that then i'm excited to try to get the the next thing

04:13:13.870 --> 04:13:20.890
but i just have to make some headway somewhere yeah well let's just go report by report and

04:13:20.890 --> 04:13:27.390
i'll figure out i know that there's a bunch in terms of freedom of information act requests

04:13:28.130 --> 04:13:33.130
i want to talk to the police officer again here i mean obviously whatever the police over sir

04:13:33.830 --> 04:13:39.190
talk to the the police officers in the intel division they they wanted to call me so

04:13:39.190 --> 04:13:42.670
could i say i'll follow up and i'll say look we have these other reports

04:13:42.670 --> 04:13:48.230
i can say to them see if we get sort of the document i've got out filled out a bit in terms of

04:13:48.230 --> 04:13:54.910
list of evidence you can just to say here there's there's a you know just list of the number of

04:13:54.910 --> 04:14:02.010
police reports from childhood cps reports all those ones and then we can just sort of look at what

04:14:02.010 --> 04:14:12.030
we've requested get some information then i can when i get the the flash drive or the audio to the

04:14:12.030 --> 04:14:17.290
different documents to the police officer to listen to then i can say here look this is what

04:14:17.290 --> 04:14:23.610
we've worked on been working on so far and i'll just tell her my concerns in terms of we ask for

04:14:23.610 --> 04:14:29.890
a bunch of these reports is it going to fly anything you know that would be in any way

04:14:29.890 --> 04:14:34.470
you know considering the situation i'll just ask if they can run the reports

04:14:35.170 --> 04:14:39.730
even or who they could tell me that could run the report some of those reports

04:14:40.630 --> 04:14:45.950
um that i could ask if the police department can't there must be somebody else who i can

04:14:45.950 --> 04:14:51.650
speak to on vanker island i can just run those reports for or an auto war or something without

04:14:52.290 --> 04:14:57.790
flagging anything some of the journalistic organizations where there's tons of requests

04:14:57.790 --> 04:15:04.390
going through i just want to be super careful um in terms of where the request comes from

04:15:04.990 --> 04:15:09.730
you know just so there isn't any inadvertent attention on you right

04:15:11.930 --> 04:15:19.010
you know obviously i'm right part of me i said i am fried i'm gonna have to let you go i got a

04:15:19.010 --> 04:15:25.310
i got a uh i gotta listen to music man yeah no no don't don't worry are you are you okay

04:15:25.870 --> 04:15:31.650
yeah i'm i'm okay this just really takes me to a kind of a dark spot man and i just i i kind of need

04:15:31.650 --> 04:15:38.790
to i need to listen to some music for a while okay no i understand enjoy some music enjoy

04:15:38.790 --> 04:15:46.790
some quiet and um you know take care all right i'll i'll talk to you later okay i'll talk to you

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bye bye