WEBVTT 00:01.040 --> 00:04.940 The Moneratopia guest segment is sponsored by Cake Wallet. 00:05.280 --> 00:10.760 Store, send, receive, and exchange your Monerat Bitcoin safely on iOS and Android 2. 00:11.180 --> 00:14.440 Cake Wallet is open source, and you always control your own keys. 00:17.720 --> 00:19.180 Pavel, how's it going, man? 00:21.240 --> 00:23.500 Yeah, great. How are you guys? 00:24.320 --> 00:26.840 Good, good, good. Thank you for jumping on. 00:26.840 --> 00:33.240 Appreciate it. I wanted to bring you on to get people excited about Moneratopia. 00:33.400 --> 00:37.120 So, I've been bringing on various guests, people that will be speakers at Moneratopia. 00:37.700 --> 00:45.940 You were there last year, you brought a tremendous, you were a big part of the conference last year, 00:46.060 --> 00:49.120 bringing your vibe, the crypto anarchist vibe. 00:49.460 --> 00:53.000 So, appreciative of having you participating again this year. 00:53.100 --> 00:54.800 I just wanted to get you up here so people can meet you. 00:56.880 --> 01:02.820 Thanks a lot for the invitation. I'm really looking forward to the next Moneratopia. 01:03.440 --> 01:09.540 I definitely will come. I'm already in Latin America now, so I just have to move like to the north. 01:09.880 --> 01:11.040 I'm just in Paraguay now. 01:12.080 --> 01:13.000 Oh, you're in Paraguay? 01:13.100 --> 01:15.500 It's pretty far, by the way. I'm in Paraguay, yeah. 01:15.880 --> 01:23.540 Like, almost the same time zone like you now, like I have like 1pm 33, so not a big difference. 01:24.140 --> 01:30.760 But it's pretty far to Mexico. I have to fly like 6 hours to Panama, 01:31.320 --> 01:35.480 and then another maybe 3-4 hours to Mexico, so long slide. 01:35.720 --> 01:36.760 But I will come, don't worry. 01:37.520 --> 01:41.640 Oh, fantastic, fantastic. I know South America is a big place, right? 01:43.360 --> 01:46.400 Paraguay, Argentina, other side of the world, man. 01:46.500 --> 01:48.720 That's part of the reason why we moved it to Mexico City, 01:48.720 --> 01:54.780 because as much as I wanted to do it in Buenos Aires, it's just so far for so many people. 01:56.020 --> 01:57.900 Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine. 01:58.820 --> 02:02.880 So many people, I mean, especially for Americans, but not for Latinos. 02:04.020 --> 02:05.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:07.580 --> 02:12.100 So, can you give us any hints what you might be talking about this year? 02:13.800 --> 02:20.160 Yeah, very good question. I have like two topics, recent new cool topics, 02:20.360 --> 02:25.460 and maybe we should discuss which one will be the best for this conference. 02:26.020 --> 02:27.780 So maybe let's start with the first topic. 02:28.820 --> 02:34.720 And the first topic is, the title of this presentation is the Will the New, 02:34.880 --> 02:37.080 Rich and Influential Libertarian in the Coupes and Alpes, 02:37.080 --> 02:38.920 which is saved divorce from dystopia. 02:39.620 --> 02:42.800 I'm going to explain it, what does it mean exactly, okay? 02:43.460 --> 02:48.320 Wait, your sound is getting a little fuzzy right now, 02:48.440 --> 02:50.200 but I don't know if you change something over there. 02:50.920 --> 02:54.160 Yeah, try to maybe keep the phone jack. 02:56.280 --> 03:03.200 Okay, so I'm going to explain it like my first topic, 03:03.440 --> 03:05.980 which may be very interesting for you. 03:05.980 --> 03:14.840 So this topic is about, it should be like a philosophical future, 03:15.080 --> 03:19.680 like a future-logist presentation, so basically it's predictions. 03:20.980 --> 03:27.080 And the thing is that in these days, or it is quite likely that in the future, 03:27.840 --> 03:31.680 like a group of people, especially different people will be rich. 03:32.760 --> 03:38.040 It's pretty likely everybody will be living like a Bitcoin crypto is going to the moon, 03:38.200 --> 03:45.160 so quite likely a lot of crypto people in the following years will be rich. 03:46.600 --> 03:48.740 And rich basically means, it's intentional. 03:49.040 --> 03:51.400 So if you're rich, you have also like a political power, 03:52.020 --> 03:54.820 you can change the system, you can do a lot of things just because you're rich. 03:54.820 --> 04:07.820 And what is quite interesting about this topic is that most of these rich people 04:07.820 --> 04:10.820 or most of the crypto people in these days are libertarians, 04:11.280 --> 04:14.140 or like an anarchist-crypto-anarchist. 04:14.500 --> 04:18.320 So basically it means in the future, when you're just thinking about it, 04:18.320 --> 04:26.140 in the future, like most rich people will be libertarians and trypto-anarchists. 04:26.620 --> 04:27.640 Are you aware of this fact? 04:28.540 --> 04:30.560 It's just happening, you know what I mean? 04:33.520 --> 04:38.620 So because of the current situation, let's consider like a Silicon Valley, 04:39.300 --> 04:42.800 like a California, most rich people maybe are Democrats, 04:42.800 --> 04:49.540 but it's changing over the time and it's very likely, it's very likely, 04:49.700 --> 04:53.540 it's always 100%, that in the future the rich people, 04:54.160 --> 04:59.860 or one of the richest people in the world, are people. 05:01.040 --> 05:06.180 And not everybody, but most of them are libertarians and pro-anarchists. 05:07.000 --> 05:09.880 So let's consider what does it mean? 05:09.880 --> 05:17.840 It means that the most, not only the richest, but also the most influential people 05:18.480 --> 05:21.040 will be anarchist or crypto-anarchist. 05:21.840 --> 05:24.960 Okay, so this is exactly what I think will happen 05:24.960 --> 05:28.180 and if you're just thinking about it, it's very likely. 05:29.100 --> 05:34.200 At the same time, our society is going to like a dystopian direction, 05:34.200 --> 05:39.720 you know that like a lot of bonds, like a censorship, 05:41.420 --> 05:44.820 technocracy, technocracy. 05:45.200 --> 05:47.980 So basically, we can see like two directions. 05:48.180 --> 05:53.180 We can see that the Mason society is going to dystopia direction, 05:53.500 --> 06:00.560 but at the same time, we can see the anarchist and crypto-anarchist libertarians 06:00.560 --> 06:02.980 will be the richest people in the world. 06:03.880 --> 06:08.200 And now back to my original title of the presentation. 06:08.900 --> 06:11.660 My title of the presentation is 06:11.660 --> 06:17.800 Will the new rich and influential libertarians and crypto-anarchists save the world from dystopia? 06:18.660 --> 06:19.860 And that's exactly what. 06:20.680 --> 06:30.280 So basically, I'm going to talk if all of us, like libertarians, crypto-anarchists, 06:30.280 --> 06:35.500 who will be rich, I hope soon, or in the following years, 06:36.240 --> 06:39.120 if we can like save the world from dystopia, 06:39.560 --> 06:44.120 because in this situation, it means like we will have not only like the money, 06:44.300 --> 06:45.700 but it means we will have like a power. 06:46.120 --> 06:47.520 It means also political power. 06:48.180 --> 06:51.560 And this is like a really interesting topic and I never, 06:51.740 --> 06:58.600 I didn't find like any like any papers or any analysis about this 06:58.600 --> 06:59.900 and I did some analysis. 07:00.920 --> 07:02.600 So this is like a first topic. 07:03.680 --> 07:11.260 So Will the new rich and influential libertarians and crypto-anarchists save the world from dystopia? 07:13.000 --> 07:16.060 Because I don't know, I strongly feel, yeah. 07:19.460 --> 07:22.440 It's a fantastic thing to talk about. 07:22.900 --> 07:25.720 It's a great thesis, great question really, right? 07:25.720 --> 07:27.780 I think you're spot on. 07:28.620 --> 07:29.920 I mean, look at Satoshi, right? 07:30.460 --> 07:31.560 Richest man in the world. 07:31.860 --> 07:33.360 Will be, I think he currently is, right? 07:33.700 --> 07:35.540 Would be the richest person in the world, right? 07:35.940 --> 07:37.340 Ross Albright, right? 07:37.460 --> 07:43.760 Would be one of the most successful entrepreneurs if he wasn't put in prison 07:43.760 --> 07:46.980 with the double life sentence and Silk Road was still out there functioning. 07:48.100 --> 07:49.620 You have Peter Thiel, right? 07:49.720 --> 07:50.280 He's already moving. 07:50.460 --> 07:53.500 You have Elon Musk, these guys that are already like on the fringe 07:53.500 --> 07:55.600 and then you have all these new crypto people up. 07:55.900 --> 07:56.960 Did we lose him? 07:57.140 --> 07:57.700 Did we lose Pablo? 07:58.840 --> 07:59.760 He's coming in. 08:00.040 --> 08:02.420 I definitely, right? 08:02.960 --> 08:11.840 As Monero grows up in market cap, you're enriching libertarian aligned people. 08:12.600 --> 08:13.560 Anarchists, right? 08:13.800 --> 08:14.460 Anarchists really. 08:15.280 --> 08:17.980 So I think the real question that becomes is, right? 08:17.980 --> 08:19.440 So they'll have these resource. 08:19.600 --> 08:22.900 You'll have these very intelligent people that are very principled. 08:23.700 --> 08:26.900 That will have these resources now and these tools. 08:27.480 --> 08:35.640 And then I think the question becomes is how powerful is this dark force that they'll be up against? 08:35.900 --> 08:39.040 Is it just a matter of having money and having these tools? 08:39.400 --> 08:47.060 Or does this dark force have so much power beyond money that even with that influence 08:47.060 --> 08:51.660 and that new found money that the world is just so deeply corrupted and controlled 08:51.660 --> 08:58.060 by this dark anti-liberty force that wants to control the people, control the populace? 08:58.320 --> 09:00.700 Because they have a lot of technology on their side. 09:01.100 --> 09:10.180 Will they be able to snuff out and prevail over all these wealthy libertarians 09:10.180 --> 09:17.140 that have opted out that are using these apparent, what appear to be unstoppable tools? 09:19.100 --> 09:21.140 That's really what the question comes down to, right? 09:21.740 --> 09:21.940 Yeah. 09:23.200 --> 09:28.460 Just think about like a Satoshi Nakamoto you mentioned like a Satoshi Nakamoto has one million of Bitcoin. 09:29.120 --> 09:33.680 And imagine like what, how can you change the world with one million Bitcoin? 09:34.500 --> 09:40.920 Basically like this guy can lobby or can corrupt all poison in the world. 09:41.040 --> 09:43.840 It can change the political society in all countries. 09:44.140 --> 09:48.820 Just like it's so easy when he wants of course. 09:49.580 --> 09:51.580 But we are just talking about this possibility. 09:52.660 --> 09:59.520 So I'm going to talk about this possibility that just the fact that like a crypto is going to the moon 09:59.520 --> 10:02.440 and it's only question of time, I mean especially like a Bitcoin. 10:03.520 --> 10:10.000 I think that crypto anarchists, libertarians, people who believe in crypto 10:10.460 --> 10:18.060 will be definitely like the most rich people in our society, which means influential. 10:18.740 --> 10:23.860 People who can change the system and who will do that for sure. 10:24.720 --> 10:28.160 So this is my first topic. 10:29.060 --> 10:29.700 I would like to talk. 10:30.180 --> 10:32.180 I see I like it. 10:32.460 --> 10:32.660 I do. 10:32.840 --> 10:39.500 And my second topic, my second topic, it's about like a opt out. 10:40.780 --> 10:47.240 I have like a completely new recent presentation about like opt out of the system. 10:47.820 --> 10:52.060 But this presentation is for non-Americans. 10:53.880 --> 10:57.440 Because probably like a US citizen is a pretty tough. 10:57.840 --> 11:03.060 So I'm not sure, because I think like most people at the monorail topic would be like a US citizen. 11:04.980 --> 11:09.720 So I'm not sure if this like a second topic would be the best. 11:09.940 --> 11:13.880 But my second topic is for basically for non-US citizens how to opt out of the system. 11:15.780 --> 11:20.680 And that's a lot of like what you specialize in and what you live by. 11:21.140 --> 11:22.560 So spreading that wisdom. 11:22.560 --> 11:24.780 I just pulled up your website here. 11:24.900 --> 11:33.160 For those of you who don't know Pavel, I mean, this guy is as far as we know one of the, 11:33.240 --> 11:40.780 if not the most legit crypto anarchists out there, right, has been walking the walk for many years. 11:40.780 --> 11:50.480 And he is one of the founders of Paralinalpolis, which hosts the Monero conference. 11:53.360 --> 11:54.180 Yes. 11:55.760 --> 12:07.240 Co-founders of that institution way ahead of its time that houses the first cafe to ever officially accept Bitcoin from back in what was that 2011 or something, right? 12:07.920 --> 12:08.240 Yeah. 12:08.980 --> 12:14.000 So yeah, if you don't know Pavel, you're kind of a noob. 12:14.760 --> 12:17.340 So he will be at Monero Topia. 12:18.440 --> 12:19.960 He's from Slovakia. 12:20.480 --> 12:21.600 You can pull up his website. 12:21.740 --> 12:23.600 It's theopportunus.global. 12:24.120 --> 12:27.900 He specializes in helping people how to opt out, right? 12:28.020 --> 12:30.760 Like you're basically a consultant that teaches people how to opt out. 12:30.920 --> 12:35.180 Is that a fair way to explain your services? 12:35.180 --> 12:36.320 Yeah. 12:36.500 --> 12:41.520 So basically it's like a full package, what we offer to our customer. 12:42.060 --> 12:47.580 We help them to renounce their citizenship or residency. 12:48.300 --> 12:55.740 In case of you a citizen, it's like a citizenship because they're tax duties associated with citizenship. 12:56.740 --> 13:02.740 So we help customers to get like a better residency, tax residency. 13:03.520 --> 13:12.860 We focused on Paraguay, Uruguay, Panama and probably Costa Rica very soon. 13:13.440 --> 13:26.180 So we have like a multiple destination, especially in Paraguay is really popular because to get tax residency in Paraguay, you don't need to leave the major recovery time, which you have to in the most countries. 13:26.880 --> 13:32.080 Also, we create like companies, offshore companies for customers in many different countries. 13:32.900 --> 13:36.400 And we also open like a crypto friendly bank accounts. 13:36.920 --> 13:46.200 Now, the super popular like bank account is like a premium banking in Georgia, in Georgia, Bank of Georgia, like a Georgia of the country or not Georgia of the state. 13:47.700 --> 14:02.840 And this is like really popular because you can have the best payment cards and it's crypto friendly when you have like a local Georgia and it costs almost nothing. 14:03.260 --> 14:07.600 And also we are helping customers to get a good culture insurance. 14:07.600 --> 14:18.520 So basically what is quite interesting is like most of our customers are like digital landlords who are troubling all the time. 14:19.920 --> 14:29.900 But still we have like a many people who permanently leave at one place, like for example in the Europe, you know, and these people, they can still opt out of the system. 14:31.260 --> 14:35.880 They can still in Europe, for example, because there are citizens of Europe, but they don't need like residency. 14:36.320 --> 14:41.900 So they don't need to pay like a helper, like obituary fostering friends or fostering friends. 14:43.140 --> 14:50.480 And they can leave from the loans, for example, for the people who cannot afford to move all the time. 14:51.280 --> 14:59.920 We are helping to set up like some structures, how to leave from crypto, which is pretty interesting. 15:00.380 --> 15:07.800 So you can use crypto as a collateral, like AAB, for example, and you can leave it for me. 15:08.940 --> 15:13.160 And you don't just sell your crypto, it's like a really, really cool thing. 15:14.760 --> 15:21.920 So it's like a very complex top out plan. 15:22.940 --> 15:29.880 It includes like a many different things, but the goal is just to be as much free as possible. 15:31.840 --> 15:37.540 And like I said, you don't just talk the talk, you walk the walk, you use all these things, you live by it. 15:37.540 --> 15:44.540 If you look at his kind of his resume over here, where he has his residencies in Estonia, in Paraguay. 15:45.260 --> 15:49.740 He has his companies in Wyoming and Slovakia for crypto reasons. 15:51.260 --> 16:02.240 He's listing, you know, all the different kind of tools he uses, his crypto cards, Zappos, and to basically use crypto international health care provider. 16:02.740 --> 16:06.400 Are you paying with crypto for this William and Russell health care? 16:06.400 --> 16:08.660 This international, do you pay them with crypto? 16:10.060 --> 16:12.020 No, I don't know. 16:12.220 --> 16:17.560 I don't know any international health insurance provider that accept crypto. 16:18.260 --> 16:24.300 I know there is one local one that works in the U.S., like for U.S. citizens. 16:24.780 --> 16:28.280 I can't remember the name of this, like a U.S. health care. 16:28.280 --> 16:36.520 And this can be paid in crypto, but I don't know any international health insurance provider that accept crypto. 16:36.820 --> 16:41.720 If you know, such like a provider just doesn't know. 16:42.800 --> 16:47.920 You would be the first to know, I'm asking you, because you would be the first to know. 16:49.500 --> 16:52.300 I think you always want to use crowd health, isn't it? 16:53.260 --> 16:54.100 Yeah, exactly. 16:54.800 --> 16:58.040 Exactly, but this one is for the U.S. citizens and not for foreigners. 16:58.540 --> 17:00.260 Or just too expensive for foreigners. 17:01.600 --> 17:11.520 And my question for you, by the way, like my slot company, we exchange regularly Euro to Monero. 17:12.240 --> 17:17.460 And as you know, like a cracker decided to delist Monero for the EU. 17:17.460 --> 17:28.520 So do you know, and anyway, I'm really happy that Monero went back to the original value despite this fact. 17:29.640 --> 17:37.060 So my question is, do you know like any official way, so it has to be like a centralized crypto exchange. 17:37.440 --> 17:45.380 Do you know any centralized crypto exchange that basically accept that deposit inside of the EU 17:45.380 --> 17:50.880 and it supports Monero, like a Monero friendly crypto exchange in EU? 17:51.080 --> 17:51.820 That's my question. 17:52.720 --> 17:55.540 Well, about like instant exchanges, does that count? 17:57.520 --> 17:58.340 Instant exchange? 17:59.540 --> 18:00.680 Instant exchanges. 18:01.560 --> 18:06.340 A bunch of different instant exchanges like Trocador, Exilex. 18:07.840 --> 18:09.280 Is that what you're talking about? 18:10.860 --> 18:11.860 Yeah, okay. 18:12.180 --> 18:16.900 I know Trocador, I know these instant exchanges, but I need like a fiat deposit. 18:17.960 --> 18:19.300 Oh, fiat deposit. 18:19.560 --> 18:22.540 So to go from fiat to Monero, I don't know. 18:22.740 --> 18:24.540 From Europe, yeah. 18:24.880 --> 18:25.760 From fiat to Monero. 18:26.320 --> 18:27.920 It's probably not possible. 18:29.300 --> 18:31.320 Tux, you might have some insight into that, right? 18:32.100 --> 18:32.700 Maybe DFX. 18:32.700 --> 18:41.940 Yeah, we have in cake, we have one called DFX that actually lets you do up to like 900,000 euros without KYC. 18:41.960 --> 18:46.100 You can connect your bank account and Monero directly on there. 18:46.840 --> 18:48.340 Okay, tell me then. 18:49.220 --> 18:49.840 What's your name? 18:50.400 --> 18:52.400 It's called DFX.swiss. 18:53.200 --> 18:54.800 You'll see in cake wallet. 18:55.160 --> 18:56.940 It's built into cake wallet. 18:57.740 --> 19:03.260 Yeah, I'm super active user of cake wallet, so I will definitely check it. 19:03.600 --> 19:04.600 Yeah, see if that one works for you. 19:05.140 --> 19:11.760 I've never been able to try it because I'm in the US, but I've heard for all the people that do live in Europe who can use it, it's pretty great for them. 19:13.540 --> 19:13.940 Yeah. 19:15.400 --> 19:16.200 Good information. 19:16.200 --> 19:25.440 On one side, I'm quite happy that Monero is going away from all these centralized crypto exchanges. 19:25.860 --> 19:27.700 It's going like a full underground. 19:28.040 --> 19:31.040 It's becoming like a full underground cryptocurrency. 19:32.400 --> 19:40.460 But at the same time, I still have to have my companies in this EU health. 19:40.460 --> 19:50.960 And I have to find some way how to change like a euros to Monero. 19:53.360 --> 19:59.260 Yeah, I mean, hopefully those on and off ramps continue to, you know, new ones grow, right? 19:59.540 --> 20:03.340 So maybe even more decentralized versions. 20:03.340 --> 20:09.100 Obviously, things like local Monero have been shut down, but there's other things popping up. 20:10.360 --> 20:20.420 Neolist tipped $23, check out KYC not.me for a list of exchanges centralized or not to trade Monero for crypto or fiat. 20:20.520 --> 20:21.880 Yeah, that is a great resource. 20:22.180 --> 20:28.960 KYC not.me shows all the ways in which you can trade into Monero. 20:31.080 --> 20:32.700 I do want to mention this. 20:35.160 --> 20:38.460 I just want to mention this. Libertat tipped $10. 20:39.760 --> 20:43.500 Pavel is one of the most legit cypherpunks I've met. 20:43.900 --> 20:50.840 His ongoing work on actually finding freedom in an increasingly unfree world is an inspiration to us all. 20:51.120 --> 20:54.320 I'm excited to listen to what he has to say this year at Mexico City. 20:54.560 --> 20:56.960 In Mexico City, be there or miss out. 20:56.960 --> 20:59.800 Yeah, couldn't agree more Libertat. Couldn't agree more. 21:00.760 --> 21:02.480 You got some fans here, man. 21:03.400 --> 21:09.380 Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. I'm really looking forward to MonoTopia at Mexico. 21:10.140 --> 21:15.720 Yeah, that's the reason why I now every year I end up in in Mexico. 21:17.180 --> 21:26.960 What do you think about Tux and I were talking about this idea of trying to grow Monero in Mexico? 21:27.280 --> 21:35.640 We do the conference there more for strategic reasons in terms of location. 21:36.160 --> 21:43.580 It's very easy for people to get to, but it's perhaps not the best place to try to grow Monero. 21:43.580 --> 21:50.320 It doesn't have super high inflation like Argentina. The peso is relatively stable, 21:50.640 --> 21:58.420 but that being said, there does seem to be in their culture a cash-based culture. 21:58.880 --> 22:06.860 A lot of the Mexicans that are out there on the street selling things, they prefer to accept cash in pesos. 22:07.220 --> 22:11.640 So there's this cash culture, this free and open market culture. 22:11.640 --> 22:14.320 You can go on the street and sell anything, right? 22:14.460 --> 22:17.820 And there's this mentality that people should be allowed to do that. 22:17.940 --> 22:19.460 So there is that culture there. 22:19.600 --> 22:28.560 But just curious, like your thoughts, do you think Mexico can be a good Petri dish for growing something like Monero? 22:28.640 --> 22:29.300 Monero adoption? 22:33.400 --> 22:39.400 I have a stupid answer. Maybe because of narcos, yes. 22:43.580 --> 22:45.500 A tool is a tool, right? 22:47.260 --> 22:54.580 One interesting thing about Mexico you probably don't know is that in Mexico, there are ATM machines, 22:55.160 --> 22:57.200 not only for withdrawals, but also for deposits. 22:57.560 --> 23:02.520 So basically you can deposit money and send money anywhere you want. 23:02.520 --> 23:10.040 And what is interesting, like in Mexican ATM machines, you can basically deposit a physical cash 23:10.040 --> 23:14.120 and send it to any person fully, anonymously. 23:14.680 --> 23:18.060 Which definitely doesn't work anywhere in Europe, but it works in Mexico. 23:18.620 --> 23:23.680 So for example, when you want to buy drugs, like listen to this. 23:24.040 --> 23:30.800 When you want to buy drugs in Mexico, nobody cares about crypto, nobody cares about cash. 23:30.800 --> 23:37.620 Like a drug dealer will write to you, please deposit money to this bank account. 23:37.980 --> 23:44.120 And so you can just visit like any physical ATM machine that accepts anonymous deposit. 23:44.720 --> 23:53.640 You just put a lot of cash to this ATM machine deposit and he received it anonymously in a few seconds. 23:53.640 --> 24:01.400 So basically Mexico is a pool of ATM machines that accept anonymous deposit. 24:02.340 --> 24:13.760 Well, that sounds like an amazing potential on-ramp like local Monero style where you can buy Monero anonymously with cash, right? 24:14.740 --> 24:20.060 Yeah, I didn't know any country where you can just physically come to any ATM machine, 24:20.060 --> 24:23.620 put like a physical cash and send it. 24:24.080 --> 24:30.560 It's just like a recipe and a bank account number of the person. 24:31.200 --> 24:36.460 But it basically like a deposit, no KVAC, no personal information, nothing. 24:36.960 --> 24:39.240 We just send it in a fully anonymous way. 24:39.740 --> 24:46.620 So maybe that's the reason why a Mexican views this way of sending money like a pretty awesome. 24:46.620 --> 24:54.560 So maybe that's the reason why it's not so much popular in Mexico because like a bank support like anonymous sending money. 24:56.620 --> 24:58.320 That is news to me. 24:58.460 --> 25:05.420 Like I said, I'm thinking like couldn't that potentially be utilized by those who want to sell Monero for cash in Mexico? 25:05.680 --> 25:16.320 That could be a great way to sell Monero for cash, have people sending you pesos via these ATMs or these bank... 25:16.320 --> 25:17.200 Thank others. 25:17.980 --> 25:24.000 Minimum colleagues and friends, they successfully started to use Havana, you know Havana, definitely. 25:26.520 --> 25:33.640 So it seems like Havana is pretty good and it works like in many European countries now. 25:34.560 --> 25:38.040 And for sure it will work like in Mexico, I think. 25:39.240 --> 25:45.060 But these like anonymous bank deposits are just big competition for Monero, I think. 25:46.040 --> 25:50.160 That's really interesting. That's really interesting. That's got me thinking. 25:50.840 --> 25:53.060 Crypto talk, tip 50 cents. 25:53.620 --> 26:00.200 After reading Roger Varys hijacking Bitcoin and hearing comments from influential BTC maxis like Max Kaiser, 26:00.860 --> 26:09.060 I believe there eventually may be attempts by BTC oligarchs for governments in the West to ban all other crypto. 26:09.640 --> 26:11.340 Thoughts on the probabilities. 26:11.340 --> 26:17.100 So this guy is saying he thinks you know there might be some attempt to essentially ban cryptos like Monero 26:17.980 --> 26:20.800 since Bitcoin has been co-opted. 26:21.060 --> 26:26.100 So the same people that have co-opted Bitcoin will now attempt to ban the others. 26:28.480 --> 26:36.300 Yeah, to be sincere I understand this fear and it may happen. 26:37.020 --> 26:39.940 I hope it won't but it may happen for sure. 26:41.520 --> 26:51.340 Like especially in Europe, not sure about like the US but especially in Europe like Bitcoin maxis are really, really strong. 26:51.680 --> 26:55.620 I mean all Bitcoin conferences in Europe are maxed. 26:55.680 --> 27:04.360 A Bitcoin conference is truly like a Bitcoin maxi conference where they totally hate like any crypto which is not Bitcoin. 27:04.360 --> 27:06.260 Maybe Monero is the only exception. 27:06.660 --> 27:12.420 For me, Bitcoin maxis there is like a Bitcoin which is like a really good coin. 27:14.640 --> 27:17.420 Everything else is like a shit coin and there is Monero. 27:18.360 --> 27:23.920 This is like a typical Bitcoin maxi board. 27:25.380 --> 27:32.040 And yeah, it's likely that something like that may happen in the future. 27:32.040 --> 27:39.960 But for example, what is quite interesting in Argentina or in Latin America, we don't know like these Bitcoin maxis. 27:40.080 --> 27:46.420 Like for example, there is like a lot of Bitcoin, this biggest Bitcoin conference in Argentina. 27:47.100 --> 27:56.500 And these people, they are definitely not Bitcoin maxis and they like old coins or any other coins, you know, cryptocurrencies. 27:57.000 --> 27:58.100 They are not so strict. 27:58.100 --> 28:15.360 But I can imagine that like that Bitcoin maxi like a wealth or super rich Bitcoin maxi people can just lobby politicians and enforce like a ban on anything. 28:15.800 --> 28:16.840 What is not Bitcoin? 28:17.160 --> 28:17.960 It's likely. 28:18.960 --> 28:28.040 This doesn't affect like a Monero doll because you know, even now it's like almost outlawed, you know, like no one cares. 28:29.600 --> 28:31.520 Yeah, it's already being attacked. 28:31.840 --> 28:42.020 In Europe, we are actually using Monero despite the fact that all centralized crypto exchanges, they delisted Monero, you know. 28:42.020 --> 28:43.240 It just means nothing. 28:44.920 --> 28:46.880 We have just switched to underground. 28:48.280 --> 28:49.460 Exactly, exactly. 28:50.000 --> 28:51.780 I'm bringing up XMR Bizarre. 28:51.960 --> 28:54.440 I'm curious, are you familiar with XMR Bizarre? 28:54.620 --> 28:56.580 Because it's been growing here. 28:57.420 --> 28:59.740 You told me about this project. 29:01.040 --> 29:02.800 So we hit like a thousand listings. 29:03.880 --> 29:13.580 It's a platform where people can buy and sell goods and services directly peer to peer with Monero with escrow built into it. 29:14.380 --> 29:23.340 I think it's a good platform for you to perhaps help spread when trying to teach people about opting out. 29:23.700 --> 29:29.860 I think that's the best way to opt out is you try to earn in Monero and then you try to live off Monero. 29:29.860 --> 29:32.880 So you're not even dealing with Fiat. 29:35.460 --> 29:45.280 You told me last time when you were planning to launch this project and I'm super happy that it's already like running and there are so many listings. 29:47.280 --> 29:55.540 So thanks a lot for telling me this information because today I'm going to enter some new listings. 29:56.940 --> 29:57.560 Fantastic. 29:57.560 --> 29:59.580 And I'm going to promote it. 29:59.780 --> 30:02.640 I'm super happy that it's such a project like this one. 30:03.580 --> 30:04.440 Fantastic, man. 30:04.640 --> 30:12.820 If you ever have any ideas, things that you think we should implement to make it better, to make it function better for people that are actually trying to opt out, let me know. 30:13.000 --> 30:13.380 Let me know. 30:13.520 --> 30:15.960 Obviously all there's. 30:16.020 --> 30:16.460 Yeah, okay. 30:17.260 --> 30:17.960 Go ahead. 30:19.380 --> 30:20.080 Go ahead. 30:20.280 --> 30:22.800 I can ask for legal details. 30:23.080 --> 30:24.200 How did you sell the families? 30:25.680 --> 30:31.340 I'm sorry about the legal details behind this project. 30:32.320 --> 30:33.140 How did you sell it? 30:34.120 --> 30:41.020 Well, I mean, right now that you know, there's it's it's it's not a decentralized platform, right? 30:42.260 --> 30:43.580 It's it is essential. 30:43.780 --> 30:47.980 It is centralized, but no Monero goes through the platform at all. 30:48.140 --> 30:50.260 All transactions are completely peer to peer. 30:50.360 --> 30:53.120 So it's basically no difference than a Craigslist. 30:53.120 --> 30:58.840 It's just a list listings platform where people can list goods and services for sale. 30:59.480 --> 31:04.160 There's a terms of service that saying they need to follow the rules of their jurisdiction, right? 31:04.240 --> 31:09.720 You can't go on here and list and start selling heroin for Monero in New York City, right? 31:09.780 --> 31:11.580 We're going to we're going to boot that listing. 31:11.940 --> 31:16.400 And we're saying that all users are responsible for filing the laws in their jurisdiction. 31:16.740 --> 31:21.660 And then any transactions that are made, the platform doesn't touch Monero at all. 31:21.660 --> 31:27.080 When you when you buy a book here online on XMR Bazaar for Monero, 31:27.100 --> 31:33.400 you're sending Monero directly from from your account to the seller's Monero address. 31:35.160 --> 31:37.180 So that that is the. 31:37.200 --> 31:37.800 So you don't like it? 31:38.180 --> 31:38.540 Yeah. 31:39.060 --> 31:39.420 Go ahead. 31:40.180 --> 31:44.260 So this is like a really good so you don't have like some like an extra legal responsibility. 31:46.040 --> 31:46.600 Exactly. 31:47.140 --> 31:50.420 We know we're not a we can't be labeled the money transmitter, right? 31:50.420 --> 31:52.680 We never we never touch anybody's Monero at all. 31:52.860 --> 31:58.580 We're just a listing service where people can say, hey, I'm interested in selling this for Monero 31:58.580 --> 32:01.520 or I'm interested in buying this for Monero, bringing people together. 32:01.780 --> 32:05.920 Really no difference than Craigslist with Monero addresses attached, right? 32:06.380 --> 32:08.840 And then we do have a multi-sig built into it. 32:08.980 --> 32:15.600 And once again, that multi-sig is non-custodial Monero XMR Bazaar never holds your Monero, 32:15.840 --> 32:19.440 but there's a it's a third party, a mediator. 32:19.440 --> 32:22.660 And the mediators just kind of like Havana, right? 32:23.160 --> 32:29.460 So there's mediators that can act that can play a role in in a transaction. 32:29.980 --> 32:34.520 And they could be the second signature to a transaction. 32:34.520 --> 32:41.340 So it's it's based on, you know, a multi-signature escrow system where the there's the buyer, 32:41.780 --> 32:47.420 the seller and the mediator and the mediators signature basically determines what direction 32:47.420 --> 32:49.480 the Monero goes in if there's a dispute. 32:49.880 --> 32:52.060 But that mediator is an XMR Bazaar. 32:52.220 --> 32:55.700 So there's so XMR Bazaar never touches anybody's Monero. 32:56.140 --> 32:58.040 And we don't collect any fees. 32:58.260 --> 33:02.900 We don't collect any fees on people's transactions obviously because there's no way we can, right? 33:03.080 --> 33:04.400 It's all peer to peer. 33:04.660 --> 33:09.140 So there can't be an argument there that we're profiting from the transactions that are being made. 33:09.360 --> 33:12.740 And that's kind of the legal structure we have. 33:13.500 --> 33:18.500 I think I think this is like a really good approach because it just means you will be alive long. 33:21.860 --> 33:25.800 Unless the other platforms, you know, like a like a door market. 33:26.500 --> 33:27.160 Yeah, cool. 33:27.380 --> 33:33.140 So good luck with this project and I'm going to and I'm going to list my items today. 33:34.420 --> 33:34.860 Fantastic. 33:35.500 --> 33:38.320 Yeah, I look forward to talking to you about it more when I'm down there. 33:38.580 --> 33:40.740 Maybe get some more advice from you. 33:42.020 --> 33:44.880 But yeah, we can talk about that stuff in person. 33:45.120 --> 33:48.560 It looks like we have another, do we have another tip here? 33:49.160 --> 33:50.660 Monkey tipped $1.50. 33:50.840 --> 33:51.580 Super excited. 33:51.740 --> 33:52.780 Our community is growing. 33:53.220 --> 33:54.080 Yeah, 100%. 33:54.080 --> 33:56.380 I mean, Pavel, what's your feel? 33:56.640 --> 34:02.280 I mean, do you feel from your vantage point, you've been in crypto for a very long time. 34:03.640 --> 34:09.840 Obviously we see the delistings that are happening, but overall, how do you feel about Monero in terms of adoption and strength 34:09.840 --> 34:10.660 than actual? 34:11.120 --> 34:20.660 To be sure, I can compare it because for example, Bitcoin community is really strong in Czech Republic, Slovakia, in Central Europe. 34:22.480 --> 34:24.860 But what is the best about Monero? 34:25.340 --> 34:27.920 And that's what I'm really, really sure is the community. 34:28.860 --> 34:35.900 Like I think the Monero, not only community, but also like a conference, like a Monero conference. 34:38.180 --> 34:40.020 I really enjoyed it. 34:40.180 --> 34:45.160 It's like, I think like a Monero conference is a Monero community. 34:45.540 --> 34:52.920 There are still some kind of underground, you know, like trust is super important, for example. 34:56.240 --> 35:01.920 Yeah, so to be sincere, I especially appreciate like a community in case of Monero. 35:02.100 --> 35:02.620 It's the best. 35:02.800 --> 35:03.600 It's the really best. 35:03.600 --> 35:09.480 Yeah, and I can compare it because I know really well like Bitcoin communities. 35:09.900 --> 35:20.660 But yeah, because the reason behind it is because Monero community, people in Monero community. 35:22.180 --> 35:23.300 Oh, shit. 35:24.680 --> 35:25.160 He dropped. 35:25.540 --> 35:25.960 Oh, he's back. 35:26.180 --> 35:26.280 Yeah. 35:27.020 --> 35:27.440 Okay. 35:27.660 --> 35:33.360 So the reason why I appreciate and I think appreciate about Monero is the Monero community. 35:33.800 --> 35:42.160 And the reason behind it is that people in Monero community, all of them are sure they're sure. 35:42.820 --> 35:46.220 Two important values, privacy and freedom. 35:46.220 --> 35:46.800 Yeah. 35:48.020 --> 35:54.560 So it is like a for me, these two values like a freedom, privacy are the most important values in my life. 35:54.680 --> 36:01.680 And that's why Monero community is so close to me and also people in this community, like a freedom in privacy. 36:02.120 --> 36:08.640 And like there is no other community that share these two values like a freedom and privacy. 36:09.260 --> 36:12.660 And that's why I love like a Monero and Monero community. 36:13.680 --> 36:14.160 Fantastic. 36:14.500 --> 36:14.640 Fantastic. 36:14.640 --> 36:14.780 Fantastic. 36:15.160 --> 36:23.840 Anything you'd like to see in terms of development in the community, like you're talking about Havino, we got XMR Bizarre. 36:24.000 --> 36:31.800 But just in general, like what do you think Monero needs to take it to the next level of growth and adoption? 36:32.480 --> 36:33.660 Like what's missing? 36:34.320 --> 36:35.540 Or what needs to be done? 36:35.660 --> 36:37.220 How do we continue to grow? 36:38.680 --> 36:52.220 I think now extra hope we can get from the government when they start to introduce like technocracy and dystopia. 36:54.140 --> 36:56.680 Unrealized capital gains will probably help. 36:57.500 --> 36:57.900 Exactly. 36:58.580 --> 37:04.580 I think like everything that should be done from Monero community was done. 37:04.580 --> 37:14.420 And now I think to increase the community of Monero is just to wait for more dystopias. 37:14.980 --> 37:15.960 You know what I mean? 37:16.620 --> 37:18.480 Just to... 37:18.480 --> 37:20.800 Like basically it's happening in Europe now. 37:20.960 --> 37:22.380 It's happening in Europe. 37:23.300 --> 37:30.740 For example, now in Slovakia, Slovak politicians introduce like a taxis from each banking transaction. 37:31.340 --> 37:38.400 So you send like a money, like you do like any banking transaction, you have to pay extra tax from each transaction. 37:38.900 --> 37:41.380 So now it makes sense to use crypto. 37:41.800 --> 37:51.400 There is like a high incentive in Slovakia for people to use crypto because there is no tax and of course there is no way how to enforce tax from crypto. 37:52.540 --> 38:04.300 So thanks to our like a super crazy dystopian politician, now we have the highest incentive to use crypto, especially Monero. 38:05.920 --> 38:17.600 So I think that the next incentive to boost the Monero will come from politicians, not from Monero community. 38:19.760 --> 38:24.940 They're doing a hell of a job, they're doing a hell of a job of making Monero useful, right? 38:26.920 --> 38:30.980 Exactly, we should just be patient and wait, you know, like that's all. 38:31.320 --> 38:31.860 And it's happening. 38:32.280 --> 38:41.460 I think like so many, so many, so many my friends, they see Monero in Slovakia or Czech Republic, just because of that. 38:41.460 --> 38:45.200 You know, like, so, yeah. 38:45.680 --> 38:49.000 So we have, we should be, we should be just patient and that's all. 38:49.540 --> 38:50.080 Don't worry. 38:52.460 --> 38:58.960 Neolus tipped $1.23 of XMR, Bizarre ever becomes a decentralized anonymous marketplace in the future. 38:59.280 --> 39:01.040 I think open Bizarre was an attempt at that. 39:01.420 --> 39:07.000 Mark my words, this will be revolutionary, just like Kevino decks, decentralized and anonymize all the things. 39:07.360 --> 39:08.520 Yeah, for sure, for sure. 39:08.520 --> 39:10.920 I mean, right now we're just trying to build a bridge, right? 39:11.020 --> 39:17.580 We just want to make it as useful as possible to people to just trade goods and services peer-to-peer. 39:17.900 --> 39:25.120 And I think it's a nice temporary bridge, sure, in the future if it could be decentralized and unstoppable. 39:25.720 --> 39:29.360 But I think it serves a need as is and it gets us up and running right away. 39:30.200 --> 39:31.740 But very, very good points. 39:33.000 --> 39:35.580 We have 135 live viewers. 39:35.840 --> 39:37.840 Guys, continue to like and share, retweet. 39:38.120 --> 39:40.750 Let's get some, we'll get some new people in here discovering Monerotopia. 39:41.540 --> 39:51.240 The more we share it out there, especially on X, I think X is a great way to kind of find new libertarian oriented people can come discover Monerotopia. 39:51.640 --> 39:56.300 So please, please share it, hit the like button, hit the retweet, get the word out. 39:57.240 --> 40:01.140 Pavel, anything else you want to mention now that we have you up on stage? 40:01.420 --> 40:03.780 And obviously, you'll have the stage down at Monerotopia. 40:04.080 --> 40:05.700 But anything you want to get out there right now? 40:07.140 --> 40:11.380 I hope, I hope I will see everybody at Monerotopia. 40:12.320 --> 40:15.120 So definitely come and we'll see you there. 40:16.380 --> 40:16.780 Fantastic. 40:17.520 --> 40:18.820 I'll see you soon, man. 40:19.080 --> 40:20.800 It was great having you there last year. 40:20.900 --> 40:22.940 Always love seeing you at Monerocon, by the way. 40:24.680 --> 40:27.180 Yeah, bring some spending Monero. 40:27.380 --> 40:29.000 You could do your holiday shopping. 40:29.380 --> 40:31.560 So we'll be the Monero accepting marketplace. 40:32.500 --> 40:34.360 So that's a big part of it as well. 40:34.560 --> 40:35.520 And I'll see you soon. 40:35.740 --> 40:41.520 I think I think last year we did like it, like it all Monerot, like it all Monerot, 40:41.560 --> 40:43.160 high regarding like a number of transactions. 40:43.160 --> 40:43.960 So don't worry. 40:44.800 --> 40:45.500 Oh yeah. 40:45.720 --> 40:46.160 Monerotopia. 40:46.680 --> 40:46.920 Oh yeah. 40:47.300 --> 40:47.740 Yeah. 40:48.040 --> 40:51.920 The marketplace, the marketplace, the woman that was running the marketplace said, 40:51.920 --> 40:55.800 her vendors never made as much money as they made during Monerotopia. 40:56.220 --> 40:58.520 So people, people were spending their Monero. 40:58.700 --> 41:01.720 Obviously most of the vendors sold their Monero at the end for pesos, 41:01.720 --> 41:03.360 but some of them did keep it. 41:03.400 --> 41:06.500 I was telling tux and you'll see when you're down there again this year, 41:06.560 --> 41:10.080 there's some of the same vendors because I went down there last weekend. 41:10.700 --> 41:15.040 And on various weekends, you see some of the same vendors that were at Monerotopia 41:15.040 --> 41:19.520 and they still have their Monero sticker and they still have their app running 41:19.520 --> 41:22.140 and they're willing and ready to accept Monero payments. 41:22.480 --> 41:25.560 And I spoke to one gentleman who had, you know, 41:25.640 --> 41:29.300 he saved quite a bit of Monero from last Monerotopia 41:29.300 --> 41:34.300 and he had said that he had made 50 additional transactions in Monero 41:34.300 --> 41:38.620 since the last Monerotopia where random people saw that he had the sticker 41:38.620 --> 41:42.600 and insisted on buying things off of him because he had accepted Monero. 41:43.860 --> 41:45.920 Very, very encouraging to hear that. 41:45.960 --> 41:46.100 Yeah. 41:46.100 --> 41:52.740 Yeah, we should support all people who accept Monero. 41:52.920 --> 41:55.540 That's my life hack, life approach. 41:56.580 --> 41:56.940 Exactly. 41:57.100 --> 41:58.920 Everything in Monero is possible for sure. 42:00.060 --> 42:01.860 If you accept Monero, I'll be a customer. 42:01.860 --> 42:02.440 Thank you for the invitation. 42:04.220 --> 42:04.720 Yeah, yeah. 42:05.020 --> 42:05.360 All right. 42:05.620 --> 42:09.340 Thank you so much. 42:09.480 --> 42:10.000 We'll see you soon. 42:10.180 --> 42:11.320 See you in like three weeks. 42:11.720 --> 42:11.920 Adios.