WEBVTT 00:00.110 --> 00:05.650 Boom, I am here with the one and only Patrick Smith and we are in the same room 00:05.650 --> 00:11.070 We've had interviews from a couple thousand miles many many a time at least 00:11.070 --> 00:13.190 Arizona whatever 00:14.190 --> 00:20.050 But having just done our approaching humanity event, which was a ridiculous circus 00:20.050 --> 00:25.030 That was very fun, and I'm very pleased with the outcome. I don't know if anybody else is but I am 00:26.150 --> 00:29.290 Decided to a rose channel.com. Yeah, the rose channel.com 00:30.490 --> 00:32.150 I never remember to do that 00:33.190 --> 00:38.430 So I decided to kidnap him and bring him back to Phoenix because Phoenix in July 00:38.970 --> 00:43.450 That's you know, where else would you want to be but the hottest place on the planet? I think it's better in Dallas in July 00:43.450 --> 00:50.850 Yes, it was it's hotter, but not human. Yeah drink water or you'll die. Yeah, but otherwise it's still more comfortable 00:51.670 --> 00:56.390 115 is literally more comfortable than 90 degrees in Pennsylvania. Mm-hmm. Which is weird 00:58.070 --> 01:01.450 However having dragged him down the forecast over moving on yeah 01:02.530 --> 01:08.230 In the weather tomorrow we figured hey since we're in the same location, which is a rare occurrence 01:08.830 --> 01:14.410 We might as well do a video responding to some random comments by people 01:16.430 --> 01:23.630 To like have a few little chunks of responding to things people think about and say about and I don't know how many of 01:23.630 --> 01:29.910 Them are worth an entire video on their own, but we can do a responding to people's inputs and complaints and 01:30.690 --> 01:35.710 Whatever that yeah, if we get one that's like, oh, that's a huge topic. We can do something bigger 01:35.710 --> 01:39.370 I don't think this is our or we've already done full videos. Yeah 01:39.950 --> 01:42.190 all right, um 01:42.190 --> 01:43.810 So Alfredo says 01:44.310 --> 01:51.410 Some talk on objective morality would be good. I know y'all had the back and forth about it in the letters for manicus series 01:51.410 --> 01:53.510 But an in-person discussion would be good, too 01:54.970 --> 01:57.630 Yeah, let's save that one for a later comment 01:58.750 --> 02:02.250 Let's move on and we'll come back to that one audaciously disobedient 02:02.250 --> 02:07.550 Says a discussion about things that could be argued and not violate the nap 02:07.550 --> 02:13.210 But you would still fund the enforcement of and be willing to be held accountable for funding it 02:14.190 --> 02:15.890 And so like I was thinking okay 02:16.350 --> 02:20.430 I could think of some things in a free market where I would you know fund 02:20.430 --> 02:26.690 But then he puts in parentheses like speed limits drunk driving hooping on beaches 02:27.430 --> 02:29.850 openly masturbating to women or children in public 02:31.150 --> 02:31.750 so 02:38.430 --> 02:46.430 Am I immediately my immediate response when you first read that was well who owns the places like other than that last one you 02:46.430 --> 02:47.010 Can like 02:47.790 --> 02:54.710 Involving children you can say that I don't care if the owner is okay with that like that's can still be traumatic to kids in such a way 02:54.710 --> 02:56.970 That I don't give a crap with the owners, okay with it 02:56.970 --> 03:03.010 But for most of that it's like well if the if the guy who owns the road says yeah, you can drive a hundred ninety here 03:03.510 --> 03:05.370 Okay, then you can drive a hundred ninety there 03:05.370 --> 03:12.230 So most of his examples I would say actually count as acts of aggression anyway. I'm at least in the broader sense 03:13.070 --> 03:20.230 So they wouldn't be and and that would sort of be my answer anyway is if it's in my freaking house around my property 03:20.950 --> 03:23.470 Then I can make up any damn rules I want 03:25.070 --> 03:29.070 And and have them enforced of course. They're mostly enforced by 03:29.630 --> 03:34.250 Don't be here if you're gonna do that rather than I'm not gonna tell you ahead of time 03:34.250 --> 03:40.130 And if you come in here and say the wrong word, I'm gonna blow your head off like it's it's not really the way to do it 03:40.130 --> 03:46.670 But the the freedom of disassociation and the being able to say you don't get to be here by and I mean 03:46.670 --> 03:54.170 That's the thing I practice on like my Facebook page and YouTube channel people like it's censorship like this is my thing a channel 03:54.170 --> 03:56.950 I'm not stopping you from saying whatever the hell you want somewhere else 03:56.950 --> 04:00.930 But if you come here and make stupid troll noise that doesn't add anything to the discussion 04:00.930 --> 04:03.090 Yeah, I'm gonna delete and block you 04:03.090 --> 04:03.590 Like 04:04.810 --> 04:07.970 You believed in freedom go be free over there 04:08.490 --> 04:15.250 Freedom and I use the analogy like if you came to my living room to give a stupid troll rant about something irrelevant 04:15.250 --> 04:21.470 I would say get out of my living room. You're allowed to say that you're just not allowed to say that in my living room 04:21.470 --> 04:23.450 Because I get to decide who's in my living room 04:24.210 --> 04:28.230 and that solves so many things including the 04:28.770 --> 04:32.630 Thing we just mentioned the the other interview if there's some people like in this household 04:32.630 --> 04:35.530 We don't use that word. Okay, then you can say 04:36.050 --> 04:39.330 People who use that kind of language you don't come in here and some people will do that 04:39.330 --> 04:44.170 You know, they'll be religious communities that are like you're gonna be dressed head to toe in a 04:44.770 --> 04:45.610 burlap sack 04:46.310 --> 04:52.050 Or you don't come on to our property and other people can prance around in bikinis and go 04:52.050 --> 04:57.650 Yeah, if you want to do that you can do that over here and there isn't a need for conflict 04:57.650 --> 05:04.730 But I would say that's all still within the non-aggression thing because it's it's the trespass thing is if you're here without my 05:04.730 --> 05:08.910 Permission and without my permission just means hey, I told you if you're gonna be here 05:08.910 --> 05:16.050 Don't do that and you did that so don't be here. Yeah, it's literally just property rights and all the the 05:16.050 --> 05:19.590 Rules made up by the property owner like doesn't matter what they are 05:19.590 --> 05:22.830 That's kind of irrelevant to the thing of I get to decide who's here 05:22.830 --> 05:27.450 I can say if you like k-pop you can't set foot on my property 05:27.650 --> 05:32.810 It's like yeah, it's a little arbitrary, but it's just property rights is the basis of all of that 05:32.810 --> 05:37.110 Yeah, I agree a hundred percent, but just to make sure that we give a satisfied answer 05:37.110 --> 05:42.010 Let me try the opposite direction where it's like okay future Patrick in future free society 05:42.010 --> 05:45.750 I'm living in a neighborhood or I'm thinking of purchasing a house in a neighborhood 05:45.750 --> 05:52.730 And I find a neighborhood that has an HOA and part of the HOA's agreements are that okay 05:52.730 --> 05:58.990 If you buy a house and you live here you have to agree not to let like homeless people sleep on your sidewalk or your lawn 06:00.170 --> 06:06.390 And we and we pay a defense company to patrol our neighborhoods to make sure that that doesn't happen 06:07.210 --> 06:12.790 So that would be something that I would pay for I would be fine joining the HOA and 06:12.790 --> 06:17.990 You know paying my whatever they call the annual fee to be in your HOA dues or whatever 06:17.990 --> 06:24.230 Help fund the defense agency to keep the neighborhood free of you know people sleeping on the street or whatever 06:24.230 --> 06:26.110 I would do that and 06:26.110 --> 06:31.470 And you say would I still fund the what I'd be willing to be held accountable for funding it? 06:31.490 --> 06:38.970 Yeah, because you know we're we're enforcing the will of the property owners in that area, so yeah 06:39.570 --> 06:43.890 And it can be yeah, so it still falls back to property rights and it can be 06:44.430 --> 06:50.370 Anything anybody wants you know we we don't make any sound above a whisper out after eight o'clock, okay? 06:50.490 --> 06:53.370 Yeah, make sure you let everybody know that and then yeah 06:53.370 --> 06:58.090 I was just trying to come up with something that I actually would yeah want to have a rule for yeah 06:58.090 --> 07:00.690 like I live in an HOA now and 07:00.690 --> 07:02.370 You know it's pretty typical 07:02.850 --> 07:05.310 It's not run by like busy bodies like a lot 07:05.310 --> 07:11.430 That's nice, but there are rules and the rules do get enforced on me sometimes and it's a little bit annoying 07:11.430 --> 07:15.790 But I I agreed so I can't complain like yeah, yep 07:15.790 --> 07:22.450 You're right my grass sure is longer than I agreed to allow my grass to get so I will take your $25 fine 07:22.450 --> 07:24.950 because I forgot and and 07:24.950 --> 07:30.910 Move on my life. That's look. That's that's come. That's agreements. That's consent. That's property rights 07:30.910 --> 07:37.630 You know it would be like violating the consent and property rights of my neighbors if I you know didn't 07:38.210 --> 07:40.650 Go along with that system that I agreed to yeah 07:40.650 --> 07:45.870 I think the biggest potential for catastrophes that HOA often turn into is I 07:46.470 --> 07:50.450 Agree to this set of rules and whatever random rules they make up in the future 07:50.450 --> 07:56.190 And I think in a world of people who are self-owning and understand that people would go that we're not doing that part 07:56.190 --> 08:01.510 You don't get to in the future change the rules and I'm bound to whatever you decide to make up 08:01.510 --> 08:08.770 Which is how most of them work now. Yes, but right now you kind of don't have that choice because it's people are so used to being in the 08:09.290 --> 08:16.410 Subject mentality that they assume HOA is well, you can make up new rules and have board meetings and do your little pseudo government 08:17.290 --> 08:21.130 Routine and then change the rule now your grass has to be 08:21.130 --> 08:25.690 Quarter and shorter than that you have to buy a new lawnmower just because we change the rules 08:25.690 --> 08:29.490 And I think that's something that in an actually free society people wouldn't 08:30.390 --> 08:38.410 Agree to but in this society because it's so much the norm like good luck finding a place that I mean in Arizona 08:38.410 --> 08:45.450 There are places where there aren't a HOA's there are you a's I figure it's it's basically like maintain the roads and 08:45.450 --> 08:47.310 There's a public well over there 08:47.870 --> 08:55.570 The end like and you chip in a very much smaller amount so that you can have access to the well and the road to your place 08:55.570 --> 08:57.650 The HOA thing was a perfect 08:59.390 --> 09:00.270 Subject matter 09:01.030 --> 09:03.210 Lesson I forgot the word for that is for my children 09:03.210 --> 09:10.070 Yeah, because my kids are very aware of our opinions on the government and how it's not okay to make rules for people without their agreement 09:10.070 --> 09:15.430 And then they also see us like bitching about getting fined for our grass getting too long 09:15.430 --> 09:20.890 Yeah, well, so it's like a government. No, and so then we sit down when we explain in clear terms 09:20.890 --> 09:23.610 Look the difference is we didn't have to move here 09:23.610 --> 09:26.030 We chose to and they handed us a contract 09:26.030 --> 09:34.310 Failed out exactly what we'd be subject to if we lived here and we agreed and it's like that's what the government never does and never has done 09:34.310 --> 09:36.190 And that's why it's not valid 09:37.870 --> 09:43.830 It's like this shit is so easy kids can get it. Yeah, but grown adults need you to like ours 09:46.350 --> 09:52.010 All right, let's see so this one I don't know how deep we want to go into it 09:52.010 --> 09:57.910 It's for moose he says the anarcho-christian topic that we touched on during that last stream that we did 09:59.730 --> 10:05.510 They want to hear my argument about why I think anarcho-christians 10:06.890 --> 10:08.750 Can't be anarchists 10:08.750 --> 10:10.950 Well, let's do it. I think I can argue their side 10:10.950 --> 10:15.550 Okay, just might not be and I kind of didn't want to do that without one of them here to talk to you because it's like 10:15.550 --> 10:19.150 Oh, I'm just gonna own the people that don't hear to defend themselves 10:20.010 --> 10:23.610 That's not how I like doing it. I think I can take I think I can take their position 10:23.610 --> 10:25.810 I think I know it well enough. Okay, so 10:25.810 --> 10:31.130 And if they think I didn't they can yell at me and if you and if you know a one that wants to talk through it 10:31.130 --> 10:38.030 I'm happy to do it. I'd be I'd be more comfortable talking about this with opposition. Mm-hmm. Okay, so 10:39.170 --> 10:42.510 It usually comes down to the objective source of morality 10:44.190 --> 10:47.090 being present in their God and 10:47.090 --> 10:53.890 And it also comes down to where the it's like Larkin's argument when he talks about the government 10:53.890 --> 10:55.650 He's like, okay, the government has a law 10:56.230 --> 10:58.730 That you fundamentally disagree with 10:59.290 --> 11:03.490 Can you choose not to follow the law if it's evil enough and 11:03.490 --> 11:08.490 Most humans thankfully Larkin's right most humans will say no 11:08.490 --> 11:09.790 I wouldn't follow that 11:09.790 --> 11:13.850 Evil law like if there's a law that told me to kill my neighbor 11:13.850 --> 11:19.010 I wouldn't do that and I would put my judgment above the law, right? 11:19.410 --> 11:20.250 dare you and 11:20.250 --> 11:25.230 And so you can kind of take that exact same argument and apply it to faith in God 11:25.230 --> 11:29.990 God is the law giver the law law giver the objective 11:29.990 --> 11:37.710 Law eternal universal law giver there can't be a more valid law giver than if there was a 11:37.710 --> 11:42.030 God up there make having law opinions on us, right and 11:42.030 --> 11:47.470 And so you can kind of frame all of the same arguments that Larkin makes about the state 11:47.470 --> 11:54.070 About God like if God tells you to do or to not do something that violates your conscience in some way 11:54.070 --> 12:00.230 Are you going to decide to violate God's will are you gonna put your judgment above the law? 12:01.910 --> 12:03.350 and and also I 12:04.110 --> 12:05.110 Guess I could make another 12:05.790 --> 12:06.950 angle of attack 12:07.790 --> 12:15.190 And just saying like the definition of anarchism is and Arcos no rulers and so to say 12:16.110 --> 12:20.190 That you believe God is your Lord Lord and 12:21.030 --> 12:28.250 Savior and he is your king. They will say no king, but Christ is a slogan of a lot of anarcho Christians 12:29.110 --> 12:31.530 you can't square a 12:31.530 --> 12:32.590 king with 12:33.690 --> 12:38.010 Being an anarchist like those terms are directly in contradiction 12:38.550 --> 12:44.090 Unless you make like a special pleading exception like okay, I just mean no kings that are humans 12:44.090 --> 12:47.150 But kings that are gods are okay. It's like 12:48.030 --> 12:51.270 Okay, but it's still a king 12:52.930 --> 13:00.670 So but look like and let me let me and I'll shut up after this so that you can say say whatever I 13:01.390 --> 13:03.830 Get along great with a great many 13:04.530 --> 13:07.650 Anarcho-christians and I really don't care 13:08.430 --> 13:14.750 If someone is an anarcho-christian because they affirm the non-aggression principle now 13:14.750 --> 13:20.310 They may affirm the non-aggression principle because they think their God told them to I don't care. That's fine 13:20.310 --> 13:25.990 I really don't care how you get to the non-aggression principle as long as you do it in a way that I can believe 13:25.990 --> 13:29.670 You're going to stick to long term right because that then I can trust you 13:30.430 --> 13:34.050 So this is not like a personal thing where I'm like 13:36.170 --> 13:43.070 Shitty about it with people or like I am perfectly good friends with an anarcho-christians 13:43.070 --> 13:45.710 Yeah, if you want to have the philosophical debate about it 13:45.710 --> 13:49.650 I'm happy to and I think I can make good arguments against why it's incompatible 13:49.650 --> 13:53.130 so and I think for a lot of 13:53.130 --> 13:59.510 Self-described Christians like people who wear that label that argument totally works because it it's still 13:59.670 --> 14:04.910 True that if if you think your God commanded something when you're like, that's not sure about that 14:04.910 --> 14:08.010 The logic still applies even if you think it's a deity 14:09.130 --> 14:15.070 But I don't think it has to apply to Christians. I don't think it has to apply to religious people in general that 14:16.190 --> 14:21.550 Being a Christian necessarily is in conflict with that and one of the things I will often ask 14:21.550 --> 14:28.070 Somebody who's a Christian is which of these describes and I've said this before which of these describes your God more closely 14:29.670 --> 14:37.050 All-knowing all-powerful thing makes up rules and if you disobey you get punished basically the authoritarian government version or 14:38.530 --> 14:43.970 All-carrying all-loving guide who is telling you what will make you 14:44.650 --> 14:48.790 Happy and fulfilled because it'll be in line with what you're supposed to be in other words 14:48.790 --> 14:51.850 It isn't obey me or I'll kick you. It's 14:51.850 --> 14:57.490 Like do if you don't behave in this way, it's gonna screw up your soul 14:58.450 --> 15:04.390 And the funny thing is I I grew up in a little religion. I won't bother to get into detail about that 15:04.910 --> 15:10.710 There was very much about the latter and it was it was based on the writings of a guy named Emmanuel Swedenborg and his 15:10.710 --> 15:15.930 Description of the other world isn't it was basically nobody gets cast into hell 15:15.930 --> 15:23.030 The people who die in the afterlife don't want to be in the place where people get along and think they own themselves 15:23.030 --> 15:28.670 And the funny thing is he describes hell and it is exactly the US political system 15:28.670 --> 15:33.810 It's literally they take turns trying to violently govern each other and they fight and they hate each other 15:33.810 --> 15:41.130 They can't stand being among people who just peacefully coexist and that's already true in this world. So 15:41.950 --> 15:49.770 doctrine aside if somebody doesn't view like their God as and the term king does sort of imply the authoritarian thing 15:49.770 --> 15:51.830 He tells me what to do and punished me if I disobey 15:53.150 --> 15:56.370 So that you know, that's a point in favor of your argument 15:56.370 --> 16:00.150 But I've seen more and more religious people side with no 16:00.150 --> 16:04.250 It's it's somebody who wants me to do what is in line with what we're supposed to be 16:04.250 --> 16:08.930 Because that's what makes us happy and fulfilled and it is and the thing is 16:09.830 --> 16:15.910 The the issue of you know, well, what if you disagree with that that rule here's all we're all say something 16:16.730 --> 16:21.450 That that may offend a few religious people. I know I've said it in front of you 16:22.010 --> 16:25.910 I think most people are better better than their religions tell them to be 16:26.770 --> 16:33.590 That's definitely because if you read Deuteronomy through 13 if you want an excuse to be a violent intolerant psychopath 16:34.150 --> 16:38.130 It's right there, but most Christians read that and they will either say 16:38.130 --> 16:44.550 Well, that was like the guidance for the old generations or Paul wrote that and we did like we don't really think that 16:44.550 --> 16:50.890 That's the word of God like that. That wasn't Jesus saying that or what will get a phone call from God that changes some rules 16:50.890 --> 16:51.950 Right and some real change 16:51.950 --> 16:57.310 Whatever their reason I and you know the the doctrinal side I don't particularly care 16:57.310 --> 17:02.970 But if they basically have a reason to say no, I don't like murder anybody who doesn't believe in the God 17:02.970 --> 17:04.270 I believe in that screwed up 17:05.050 --> 17:11.950 Good, I don't particularly care why and it may be it may be excuse making inside their head where it's like 17:11.950 --> 17:17.110 Well, the Bible does talk about like anybody who doesn't believe in our God go slaughter them all and leave 17:17.110 --> 17:21.410 But you know no stone on top of another and slaughter all their animals and everything else 17:22.010 --> 17:25.530 Deuteronomy 13 if you don't believe me among other places 17:26.210 --> 17:30.490 But the fact that lots of of christians will go. Yeah, but we're not supposed to do that 17:30.490 --> 17:34.810 That's old testament stuff now like we care what Jesus said and how he described 17:34.810 --> 17:38.730 You know, you should interact with other people, which is 100 anarchist 17:39.610 --> 17:40.090 incidentally 17:40.790 --> 17:44.410 And so and I think that's true of lots of like you can look at the the 17:44.410 --> 17:47.130 How many you can look at the uh the Quran 17:47.750 --> 17:52.730 And go well these passages say that and I constantly see christians going look what that Quran says 17:52.730 --> 17:54.710 Look what Deuteronomy 13 says 17:55.330 --> 17:56.830 how many um 17:57.370 --> 17:57.730 followers 17:58.210 --> 17:59.130 Of islam 17:59.760 --> 18:03.770 Or like yeah murder anybody who doesn't agree with you like most of them go no, we don't do that 18:04.360 --> 18:08.270 Some of them do just like some christians go rah rah rah for warmongering 18:08.270 --> 18:11.270 Actually that christian nation and it will blow you up if you disagree 18:11.950 --> 18:12.410 um 18:13.130 --> 18:16.350 So to me as a you know, I've I know I've said this to you too 18:16.350 --> 18:23.050 I don't care whether somebody calls themselves a christian because the label somebody affixing that label to themselves 18:23.590 --> 18:28.970 Means absolutely nothing to me because I see all the way bootlicking nationalist psychopaths 18:29.510 --> 18:34.470 Calling themselves christians and I see other like totally tolerant 18:34.470 --> 18:36.670 volunteers sweet people 18:37.370 --> 18:41.470 um calling themselves christians and are like well if you're all wearing that label 18:42.170 --> 18:46.230 Then I have to ask some questions to figure out what you actually are because that label isn't anything 18:47.150 --> 18:52.890 By itself. It doesn't mean anything if people call themselves that and then might be just bootlicking psychos 18:52.890 --> 18:59.350 Or might be actual tolerant people who know how to peacefully coexist. I kind of like the word anarchist 18:59.350 --> 19:01.590 Uh, yeah psychos that are 19:02.110 --> 19:02.470 communist 19:03.310 --> 19:08.190 Imagine that yeah, I you were I mean you're spot on with bringing up that there's a vast 19:08.750 --> 19:12.250 Wide and deep spectrum of people that call themselves christian christians 19:12.890 --> 19:18.150 And there's all there's all the way from the super anemic sort of watered down 19:18.990 --> 19:22.790 ideas of god, which don't really conflict very much with 19:23.370 --> 19:28.130 The nap or with self ownership. That's really the thing. Yeah, like 19:28.950 --> 19:30.650 Self-ownerships kind of 19:31.150 --> 19:35.230 At the root of a lot of our ideas and if your faith 19:35.950 --> 19:40.550 Leaves you believing that your owned property of god instead of yourself 19:41.310 --> 19:43.130 That's a significant root change 19:43.950 --> 19:50.250 That brings back in the concept of a ruler. Yeah, and I I mean this trying not to get too 19:51.630 --> 19:53.890 drastically doctrinal and philosophical or anything 19:54.380 --> 19:56.370 But when people say well god owns me 19:57.000 --> 19:58.190 I say no he doesn't 19:58.700 --> 20:02.650 Like do you have free will you have a conscience? Do you have the ability to choose? 20:02.650 --> 20:05.970 If your creator gave you free will 20:06.450 --> 20:11.010 He gave up ownership of you because he gave you the ability to decide things 20:11.530 --> 20:13.550 Like if I made a robot 20:13.550 --> 20:19.910 But it and let it and gave it the ability to freely choose its own thing and then say you're my robot 20:19.910 --> 20:21.130 It's going to go. No, I'm not 20:21.610 --> 20:26.490 And from its perspective, why would it view me as its owner? Even if I was its creator 20:27.110 --> 20:30.690 And so and I know people can debate about things that like 20:31.470 --> 20:34.070 How you phrase it kind of who cares in the end? 20:34.510 --> 20:38.790 But I think if you have free will and a conscience and you can tell right from wrong 20:39.390 --> 20:45.750 Using this whether it's influenced by religion or your internal moral compass or whatever you want to call it 20:46.370 --> 20:50.390 To say that you're owned even by god doesn't make any sense because like 20:50.930 --> 20:55.590 If you think god is the thing that gave you free will and the ability to judge right from wrong 20:56.090 --> 21:00.830 He let you loose. It's like a parent who got you ready to be a self-owning adult 21:01.330 --> 21:05.210 And then like you're free there you go and to go wait, I'm still your parent 21:05.210 --> 21:09.910 I own you like you probably shouldn't have given me free will then because now I don't care 21:10.490 --> 21:13.770 Even if they still respect the god and so I've had some of these 21:13.770 --> 21:17.970 You know sort of debates with people and and sometimes it comes down to semantics 21:18.630 --> 21:21.870 But I would say no god doesn't own you even though he made you 21:22.530 --> 21:25.850 And if he made you he's the thing that made him not 21:25.850 --> 21:31.170 Own you by giving you free will and a conscience and the ability to choose and the ability to judge 21:31.810 --> 21:34.030 Like he he let you loose 21:34.030 --> 21:37.710 It's like if he if he was your rightful owner at some point 21:37.710 --> 21:42.690 Theoretically and he freed you you're free and you are if you have free will 21:43.190 --> 21:47.910 If that thing gave you free will wherever it came from you're free now you're self-owning now 21:49.050 --> 21:53.330 And some christians are gone. Yeah, that totally makes sense and some are well. He's still always being like 21:53.330 --> 21:55.590 Yeah, it's very difficult to argue against 21:56.790 --> 22:01.090 The christian worldview because it's just so broad like yeah every single christian 22:01.090 --> 22:04.690 And they argue amongst themselves. It's gonna have a totally different idea of this 22:04.690 --> 22:09.550 All right, let me say one more thing and you can respond and then we're gonna move on because this video isn't supposed to be all about this 22:10.590 --> 22:13.090 All right, so I would just say that um 22:13.710 --> 22:19.670 That that theory would be fine if if he gave you ownership by bestowing upon you, you know 22:19.670 --> 22:21.810 consciousness and free will or whatever 22:21.810 --> 22:24.530 But if that is the case 22:25.230 --> 22:31.270 Then he still should have asked your consent to be subject to the suffering of this existence that he 22:31.270 --> 22:36.870 Created and put you in you should have asked your consent to be subject to whatever rules he has in place 22:37.570 --> 22:40.750 And and if if he didn't if he did that without your consent 22:41.320 --> 22:42.970 He's doing things to you 22:43.600 --> 22:48.550 In an aggressive nap violating way doesn't that apply to every parent? 22:49.330 --> 22:50.050 Yes 22:50.620 --> 22:53.930 Yeah, that in fact, that's where I got this argument, right? So 22:54.910 --> 22:55.310 I 22:55.310 --> 23:05.110 I treat my kids like they own themselves to the maximal degree absolutely right, but you inflicted existence upon them 23:05.900 --> 23:07.670 But I didn't create the existence 23:08.370 --> 23:13.130 Like you help that's the difference like that's that's the difference. He created this 23:13.690 --> 23:18.690 Oh, okay, assuming because he's to blame for the universe assuming he's omnipotent and omniscient all the stuff 23:18.690 --> 23:23.090 He created it with full foreknowledge of how it was going to work with all the suffering that you were going to experience 23:23.090 --> 23:28.790 And he's like boom. Good luck. Patrick. Like he didn't ask me for that. He could have he's omnipotent 23:28.790 --> 23:32.850 He could have popped me into existence before you know making me be born and be like, hey 23:32.850 --> 23:36.330 All right, here's your options. You have an option like he could do this like 23:36.330 --> 23:39.150 This is what blows my mind about like 23:39.150 --> 23:44.510 These conceptions of god is like if he's omnipotent then he could literally like pop you into existence to be like, all right 23:44.510 --> 23:46.450 You're about to have existence if you want 23:47.590 --> 23:52.270 Behind door number one is earth. It's got some suffering. It's got some happiness 23:52.270 --> 23:54.970 You're gonna have some hard times, which are also gonna have some really good times 23:55.510 --> 24:01.550 Behind door number two, you're gonna have garden of Eden the platonic existence with no pain and suffering 24:01.550 --> 24:05.610 And that's what that's gonna be. You know, pick your door Patrick or none 24:05.610 --> 24:08.130 If you just don't want to if this sounds like a shitty game 24:08.130 --> 24:11.950 You could say no, you know, like he could have done that 24:12.790 --> 24:15.470 And and that to me is the ultimate defeater 24:16.030 --> 24:21.770 For any kind of argument for the existence of a good god that is also omniscient and omnipotent 24:21.770 --> 24:27.050 I don't think those three traits can work together because we weren't asked for our consent. Okay, all right 24:28.210 --> 24:31.050 That was my last word. I read your last word and then we'll move on 24:31.050 --> 24:35.750 My last word will be greatly abbreviated from the rant I could go on 24:36.870 --> 24:40.290 About about why might when people say do you believe in god? 24:40.470 --> 24:44.070 I usually say no because what most people use that word to describe 24:44.070 --> 24:48.690 Is so far from what I believe in that no, if that's what you mean by god, then I don't 24:48.690 --> 24:53.410 Um, I do believe in a weird power way beyond my comprehension, but not 24:53.410 --> 25:01.270 A guy like if it's a guy who chose to like a lot of christians goes to the thing of why would god allow this if he can just go there 25:01.270 --> 25:08.870 Now children aren't suffering horribly like if you're a guy and you could have made that happen and you don't you're a jerk 25:08.870 --> 25:13.510 And a lot of christians have trouble if they're picturing the simplified version of 25:13.510 --> 25:18.210 If he could have made that not happen, he didn't you're not supposed to be on taking my side of this 25:18.210 --> 25:20.290 I would have been saying all that too 25:21.810 --> 25:24.710 So I'm saying that long enough to say I think that 25:25.250 --> 25:28.950 A lot of people if they accept that okay god isn't just a guy 25:28.950 --> 25:33.230 We can't just think of well a smarter version of us because then it doesn't add up 25:33.230 --> 25:37.730 It has to be something way more profound and complex than that and way beyond our comprehension 25:38.430 --> 25:42.290 To not just say well, you're a jerk if you could have made this not happen 25:42.290 --> 25:46.470 And a lot of people are like wait, you know, the devil's tempting him. What why is there a devil? 25:47.030 --> 25:50.390 Like if he made everything and a lot of those questions come up, I think 25:50.390 --> 25:59.330 But I think they come up from our our tendency to oversimplify and just think of it. Well, he's a big big nice guy 25:59.330 --> 26:03.050 I'm not trying to be demeaning about it. Um 26:04.110 --> 26:07.410 I'm insulting him more than you are and I'm supposed to be on their side 26:08.610 --> 26:13.570 But I think a lot of people realize it isn't it isn't that simple and it's beyond our 26:13.570 --> 26:20.210 Comprehension like how it really works so that it isn't just you're jerking you allowed horrible things to happen 26:20.830 --> 26:23.910 But the simplified version that's a perfectly valid complaint 26:23.910 --> 26:27.010 But I think a lot of christians are like if there's more to it than that 26:27.010 --> 26:32.390 We don't necessarily understand what it is or how it works and we have some theories and some of them sound totally bogus and whatever 26:32.390 --> 26:35.810 But if they they if they basically just say 26:35.810 --> 26:41.050 Like it isn't as simple as it's a guy with switches and levers up in the clouds going. Yep 26:41.050 --> 26:47.170 You get to suffer a little kid. Ha ha talks to be you because yeah, if it's that you're crappy god 26:47.810 --> 26:50.310 Um, but they understand that okay. It's something 26:52.850 --> 26:57.650 You think it is a guy with switches and levers? No, I'm saying like the vast majority of christian 26:58.170 --> 26:59.450 Okay, look 27:00.810 --> 27:05.550 Actually, let's let's end this video here. Maybe we'll do another one with some more because this has been this has gone on too long 27:05.550 --> 27:06.710 I'm always 27:07.310 --> 27:09.550 I say I'm always happy to talk about this 27:10.190 --> 27:12.050 But our channels are not really about 27:13.270 --> 27:17.970 Theism and apologetics and anti apologetics. It's kind of a distracting divisive 27:17.970 --> 27:24.890 Thing and like I said and he would agree like I don't care as long as you're like a 27:24.890 --> 27:32.010 Good anarchists that will stand shoulder to shoulder with me against the tyrants of the world that don't you believe that 27:32.010 --> 27:36.990 We own ourselves. Yeah, if do unto others as you would have done unto you if we're good with that forget 27:37.550 --> 27:44.690 The press doesn't matter now if you're like if you're just a philosophy nerd like I am and really are interested in having apologetics and anti 27:45.470 --> 27:52.510 Apologetics discussions join my discord and we'll have those voice chats probably just won't put them on this channel because it's kind of like 27:52.510 --> 27:57.950 Yeah, unneccesary and divisive, but it's fun for people who like to think it is fun 27:57.950 --> 28:03.310 It's one of my it's like my hobby philosophy. I do anarchy primarily, but my hobby philosophy is like apologetics 28:03.310 --> 28:08.010 Anyway, all right, cool. We'll end this one there and maybe do another one with the rest of these 28:09.630 --> 28:09.990 Yeehaw