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James dash Delling poll forward slash. Welcome to the Delling pod Chris
Milligan. I'd like you already even though we've never met. You're giving off
the kind of vibes that make me like you. Well good. Are you are you somewhere cold?
Well you know I'm I'm out in Oregon and it's early in the morning and it's not
it's not too cold but you look like you're in some place where it's cold.
Yeah I'm going to try and adjust the volume. You're sounding very
what's the word? You know you're hitting the hitting the the levels where it goes
noisy. What's that called? Too loud? Yeah yeah yeah something like that. Okay how's
this is that better? Yeah that's better yeah yeah. Okay the reason I'm in
some snow coming at the time of recording but I'm like I'm dressed like
this because I'm in the cold room because I don't heat my house in the day
and I've got a cold and I'm feeling sorry for myself because I've broken my
finger while I was hunting. Oh no. Yeah on the horse I think the horse was so
excited that I caught my my finger was in the neck strap and I think just
the pull of the horse who like he was a racehorse and I couldn't really stop him
and he just broke my finger. But what I did Chris I I didn't want to miss out on
the excitement so I just dosed myself with alcohol and carried on hunting.
Well I broke a finger one time I was a catcher and we had a big farm boy
throwing a baseball and I dug it out of the dirt and my bone was sticking out I
take it to the coach and he he goes put it underneath some water kid. That's how
it was back in the day. Yeah Chris your father was in the CIA right? Yes he got
involved in intelligence as an 18 year old kid as a exchange student to the
University of Shanghai in 1936 and then he went through he 1939 he had graduated he
was supposed to go to school in Switzerland and international relations
and he got as far as Washington DC and you know there was something going on in
Europe in 1939 and so he ended up in the basement of the Library of Congress under
Archibald McLeish and they gave him a desk and they said we want you to become
an expert on the Philippines so that's what he started to do and then while
Bill Donovan walked in and started an organization called Coordination of
Information dad was there and then that changed into OSS and dad was there and
then he got drafted and OSS said great we're going to put you into the
military into G2 military intelligence and we're gonna put you on MacArthur
staff because we do not trust MacArthur and Willoughby his top aide and then
he ended up upsetting MacArthur he was working a lot with the guerrillas and
he went into Manila with the guerrillas way before the American troops and he
was helping the guerrillas set up their government their diplomatic mission
and putting the collaborators in jail and when MacArthur finally made it to
Manila he had been raised in in the Philippines and so a bunch of these
collaborators were his childhood friends and he didn't like that and so he
wanted to find out who was responsible and they my dad was the highest American
guy there and they said him and so MacArthur said get rid of Melligan and
so they moved my dad to be head of research and analysis for the invasion
of Japan and they brought in somebody that had been both in OSS and G2 at the
same time to take my dad's place and that was Ed Landstahl and then what my dad
told me later on he said he went through a couple of alphas and soon found
himself in the CIA you know I was raised in Virginia mostly and and he
was branch chief head of all of East Asia analysis office and then he had to
they wanted somebody to talk to Sikarno and my dad wasn't your typical CIA guy
he'd been born in Montana and raised in Oregon and Washington and so they needed
somebody oh liberal to go talk to Sikarno and so I went with him as a
little kid as a you know one of my first jobs was a CIA front okay and then he
came back and he was just doing odd jobs and and different things and then in
1956 he went back and did a report part of it on Landstahl Landstahl was
recalled and things really changed I mean I was just a little kid but we were
living on this farm outside Fairfax and and then all of a sudden they put the
farm up for sale it didn't sell and we moved to another little house there in
Fairfax and then all of a sudden my dad was made a vice president of a
college in Tennessee and so you know I just you know little kid I just moved
with him and then the president of the college quit they asked my dad to be
president he said no and quit and moved the whole family out to Oregon and
later on you know I mean the CIA had the only time I remember it mentioned is
one time in Nashville I was talking with my older brother and older sister you
know I was like eight and and and my older brother says I think dad's in the
CIA and you know again I'm eight years old you know doesn't mean a lot to me
and I was into baseball and and then growing up we were watching a white
paper you know on TV one time about the Vietnam War and my dad was saying stuff
like oh well we knew that and blah to blah to blah and he asked me a question he
says well what do you think of the Vietnam War and you know I was a
teenager I gave him a flip teenage answer I says you got some sack or hand
grenades and there's some rice patties and you go throw the hand
grenades to win it for the good guys wearing the white hats I mean
I'd been raised on John Wayne in World War two you know all my uncles were in
it and he said we had to have a talk and I just went on with my life and went to
college and you know ended up meeting a girl and oh getting her pregnant and
other things like that and and the day before my 20th birthday I show up at
the house and I figure you know we're gonna have you know cake and ice cream
and stuff like that and my dad says it's time to have that talk and there was this
professor from Vanderbilt there Dr. D. F. Fleming and my dad took me into what I
called my you know my little brother's room and and we all sit there
was two chairs in there and then the bed and you know I was sitting on a
chair my dad was sitting on chair the professor was sitting on the bed and my
dad looks at me and he says the Vietnam war is about drugs there's these secret
societies behind it and I'm thinking okay and dad's talking about the mafia you
know this is 1969 okay and and so then and then dad says and communism's all
a sham these same secret societies are behind it it's all a big game okay I
at that point in time I think dad's nuts okay I've been stuffed under the
desk the Ruskies were gonna bomb us you know it just didn't compute okay and and
then they start telling me all about my dad's intelligence career okay and you
know I'm still kind of thinking about this you know the risk communism all
a sham stuff you know but then you know they're talking so I'm trying to
listen and and then they start talking about the Vietnam war and about they
make this statement how about how they are playing out the loose scenario in
Vietnam okay which again doesn't compute at all okay I mean at this point in
time you know I you're trying to draft me okay to send me over there to kill
people and I'm finding out that I had to kill them with rules which didn't
compute with me now if I'm you know I'm 19 you're gonna kill somebody you want
to kill somebody but you know they tell you got to kill them with rules which
doesn't compute and then I got my dad and this professor telling me that you
know they are playing out a loose scenario in Vietnam and they they explain
that they had when Eisenhower had come become president there had been this big
worldwide assessment report done for him and they'd done part of this stuff
about Southeast Asia and they were saying things like you know you don't you
know back a Catholic government in a Buddhist country among other things and
saying that you know we had worked with Ho Chi men and blah blah blah and and so
then they start talking about psychological warfare and propaganda and
my dad in the middle of a sentence just stopped speaking okay because it became
very apparent that I had no idea what they were talking about I was I was
completely lost okay so so so yes my father was in the CIA and and what he
told me there he said you know he quit him soft in 57 and hardened 59 when we
moved from you know when he quit being a college professor or president and I
had talked with Peter Dale Scott about this because he was very concerned
because the CIA had rules that they weren't supposed to be in academia and and you
know like my dad said he left him soft in 57 hard and 59 because I believe in
Nashville at this college he was basically working a lot with foreign
students and different things and maybe looking for opportunities for you know
intelligence intelligence gathering what not I don't know but then one thing
that he told me about was that see he had become aware of the narcotics
trafficking and there was because of his position there was no way that he would
not know about it okay and so he they offered him a huge bribe okay a big
real estate venture in the DC area they offered him parts of seven corners
and Tyson's corners and and he turned them down and which went when I
finally understood that made me very proud okay of my father and and what not
but what this did was it led me on a on a journey okay into you know CIA drugs
and you know the first thing that I did I mean I like books okay so I he said
he was in intelligence and you know so I got you know all the books I could find
about intelligence to understand how intelligence operates and and and what
not and then a friend of mine I was talking a little bit about my little
research into CIA drugs and some of the stuff my daddy said and he looks at me
and he says well you're a conspiracy theorist and this was like in the early
70s and so I I scratch my head and I say well what's a conspiracy theorist and
so I take it on as an intellectual discipline okay and before in college I
done two independence I done an independent study on magic and mysticism
because I well I liked comic books and next to the comic book rack was the
paper book rack and in the paper book rack they were they were having these
books about Edgar Casey and Alistair Crowley and I thought that they were
very interesting at rest in people and and so I took on conspiracy theory as
an intellectual discipline and I'm very glad I did because it's a very very wide
discipline I mean there's lots of things involved in it and and and then the
first thing I learned was that a conspiracy theory doesn't have to be
true to be affected okay because what I you know again like I say I like books
I I like reading and so I went after this guy told me I was a conspiracy
theorist I went to every bookstore I could find you know feminist religious you
know what whatever and I said take me to your conspiracy section and all of them
had at least one book okay and so I gather these books and I'm reading them
and after a while I say wait a minute I've got a book here that blames it all on
the Mormons I got a book that blames it on the Masons I got a book that blames
it on the Jews I got a book that blames it on the Roman Catholics I got a book
that blames it on the secular humanists you know so I said well these
are kind of formula books okay I don't like you you don't like me let's
throw some rocks back and forth okay and and again to you know create great
dissension and you know because you know you read the books about you know
intelligence and and then you get into books about you know propaganda and
psychological warfare and then when you're looking at CIA drugs you've got
CIA drugs you know the narcotics importation and then you have what I
call CIA drugs is dark side the MK ultra stuff which you know you can you can
trace way before the CIA ever ever existed okay and it's like Operation Bluebird
why did they call it Operation Bluebird it was because of Metrolink's play okay
because mind control comes from you know you've got you've got trance
okay and that's the most important thing and everybody
well gets into a trance differently you know some people go really deep some
everybody's different on trance and then you have ritual and role-playing and
trauma and those are your main components of mind control so it you
know there's there's just a lot of things to look at when you're basically you
know trying to figure out how the world really works and and what I you know my
dad said you know there's these secret societies behind it's all a big game
okay and the when I started doing my research you know I could you know
find the books intelligence and the drug running and you end up in bank
old books about banking and all that kind of stuff and the hardest thing for me to
find was stuff about secret societies and I finally I came across professor
Anthony Sutton's book America's Secret Establishment an introduction to the
Order of Skull and Bones in 1988 he'd put it out in 1986 and you know
probably because George H. W. Bush was running for president so it became a bit
of a topic and because I mean it was funny and Anthony you know started
researching it because he had been working at the Hoover Institute at
Stanford and they hired him to write this three volume series about Western
technology and Russian technology and he was all ready to print his third
volume and they said oh no and we don't want you to print that right now and
Anthony couldn't understand that because I mean he was a British citizen
and he'd been a naturalized American you know so and he just didn't
understand that he went around him and printed a book called National
Suicide because what his third volume showed was that the Russians were
backing the North Vietnamese it really it wasn't the Chinese I mean the
Chinese wouldn't even let some of the trains come from Russia with war
material through China to North Vietnam North Vietnam and a bunch of the
war material that was being used to foment that war was being supplied
by factories that were some of them were ordered through Italy but there was
actually American engineers there and blah-to-blah so it was showing that this
war was you know there was people that were like my daddy said they were
playing out a war to lose okay and so he started writing these Wall Street
books Wall Street Hitler Wall Street in the Bolshevik Revolution and Wall
Street in FDR and he put those out there and somebody was reading them and
this lady whose father and grandfather were both members of the Order of
Skull and Bones Charlotte sent Anthony membership list of the Order of
Skull and Bones and he he received he he'd gotten him he had to send him
right back so he put him in a box underneath his desk and he told me he
was kicking that box and he pulled it out one day and looked at me oh well
these were the people that were I was writing about in my Wall Street books
and so that led him into his research and he was trying to trying to talk
about it and I mean he even got a letter back from George Debbie Bush's oh no I'm
not a member any sort of secret society and blah-to-blah-to-blah and and and so
you know I came across that book and I said oh maybe my daddy's not nuts okay
and because I just couldn't get over that thing that you know Communism is
all a sham these same secret societies are behind it it's all a big game okay and
you know then I've come to realize that basically you have a secret societal
system up here your next level is a solid level is sovereign countries okay
and then in between that we have intelligence criminal gangs you know
fraternal organizations religious organizations that are able to you
know use their things to go into the sovereign countries to get them into
position that the secret societies want them to I mean and you know it's not
always they click a lever and it happens but you know that's a basic model and
and how the secret societies have been running the world it's a viathon of
three levels and each level has three parts the top level is mining metal
and money and you think about it and you know if you control the mining where the
metal comes from that the money is based on you're in a good position right and
you know and so what I looked at you know skull and bones they got a lot of
gold mining engineers there and and I had an author who could affect that he
was a mining engineer his daddy was a mining engineer his granddaddy was a
mining engineer his great-granddaddy was a 49er in California part of the Comstock
load an actual president of the Central Pacific so I mean this and and he came
at me with this big book about gold mining real early on when I had started
trying day and I told him I says I I don't think I can publish that I mean I
know nothing about gold mining and you know it's a big big book and so he went
he got it published in Poland and then he came back at me later on with a
smaller book about his great aunt Jane Stanford of Stanford University and how
she'd been murdered and so this bit of a cabal could could could take it over
and I said okay we can do that one and he had even had the backing of a Stanford
professor and this was called calling all angels and so we got it out he was
dead in seven days okay he got run over by a hit-and-run Laurie in London
okay and I mean this guy was you know his his lawyer was William Pepper the same
lawyer for Martin Luther King and and different things but you know that kind
of it's hard to sell a book when the author is not around and to you know
promote it in different things because again I'm on the edges of publishing so
so you got mining metal and money and then in the middle you've got a very
active level and this is drugs guns and oil okay and skull and bones was
started by an opium smuggler and a politician okay William Huntington
Russell of Russell and company and Alonzo Taft okay and drugs creates this you
know opium has been one of the largest commodities on the planet since the
1800s okay and it makes a huge amount of money okay and when it's illegal they
can sell it for six eight times of what it's worth and so it gives them huge
amounts of money which allows them then to corrupt things and then arms you
know what do you do with arms well you make money you create a conflict and
coercion and and all kinds of BS and then oil okay I mean it was the people from
skull and bones okay that sent Drake to Pennsylvania to do the first oil well
and the reason we go to the oil stores because they own it okay so this is a
very active level creates a lot of capital and allows them to control a
lot of things and then where this meets the road it's media they they got to
control the narrative you know and and and then you got a music slash movies
they got to control the culture as much as they can or the culture will bite them
in the butt excuse my language and then quote unquote magic is the last one
okay their ability to hoodwink us to make us think something else is
going on okay and then their preponderance on using mass trauma rituals to keep us
in line okay the JFK assassination at its core and the 9-11 were mass trauma
rituals so where did they learn that that technique well it it's it's grown
up through a long time I mean it's like like I say Operation Bluebird okay in you
know was one of the mind control operations why did they call it that
because Metrolinx play okay because role playing if you look at Metrolinx play
you have all kinds of crazy characters I mean you got milk water you got the
luxury of being a slave you know pages of these just strange characters okay what
is next play well that that has to do with the role playing in mind control and
then where was Metrolinx play first put on it was first put on 1906 in Moscow the
same place where he had Pavlov and the dogs okay and and then see this the secret
societal level there you know you might be a secret society from Germany but
you're going to go ahead and play the German people and get them into a narrative
that's you know a counter to what it would be good for Germany because it
helps with the overall narrative that they're trying to use to quote unquote
control things here and now where did they learn learn these things it comes
out of centuries of elite control of using mechanisms of to Buffalo the
population okay one thing you know when I look at it very hard you have you have
like priest okay priest we're able to figure out very early on okay if I make
some smoke come out of that hole over there on the side of the hill okay
these people gonna you know they're gonna bring me food they're gonna even
you know give me shelter bring me clothes even even bring me their
children okay so the priests are using their knowledge to Buffalo the people to
get what they want right okay then you have pirates okay if you were a seafaring
civilization and you were going to the landlubbers you your knowledge was was
superior to the landlubbers that again you use your knowledge to Buffalo those
people to get what you want okay same with kind of politicians okay so you have
this group of people that have have have grown up you know through time have
have sophisticated their techniques of control okay through oh well you don't
have a I mean the the Cimmerians you know in those temples they had all these big
things of telling that the people how much money they owed okay and different
things and so again through time the elites have created these methods of control
so it's and and you know and it's very I've been doing a round table with the Fitzgerald family of
John Fitzgerald Kenned and one thing that we've discovered there is that you know there there
are ducks that were put in a row before the Kennedy was even elected okay because
there's this big overarching narrative and and quasi mystical control
there's a Alice Bailey she wrote a book she's out of the theosophy and she wrote a book called
externalization of the hierarchy in the in the 20s and came out through the Lucifer press
and she talks about how this hierarchy needs to be in place by 2025 okay and that's how come we've had
you know these you know Trump and and Musk and the Technate and you know a new world order through
you know they kept telling us that the left was going to take all our gun guns and they're
making us all commies and blah blah blah but you know they're trying to impose control
through political means yeah yeah did you spend a lot of time down the rabbit hole yeah
but I was thinking so let's just give you an example um the guy Russell who found who
co-founded skull and bones uh what was his first name William William Huntington Russell
okay so William Huntington Russell um presumably he was a relative of the um
of the Russells in England the the Earl of Bedford and could be I you know I I really
haven't looked at that but I I wouldn't be uh you know I'm sure they have some relation
somewhere I suppose what I'm saying is that the world's problems did not begin in 1833
with the foundation of skull and bones so people like Russell who I mean I was fascinated to read
in your book about the origins of skull and bones and about the opium trade and how Russell
was that I mean obviously the bulk of the opium trade was carried out by the British
Jardine Matheson but Russell had the brunt of the American trade so he made his fortune out of
opium trading but his his bloodline let's say must have gone way back I mean his family must have
been doing evil way before he made his money um as an opium trader well you know um uh could be
I mean you know I I you know I I I don't really I you know I don't know if if I consider these people
evil I consider them doing bad things okay uh that lead lead to evil outcomes right okay but
you know I mean that that's just that's just semantics but uh yes there there is a you know a
question of you know these different bloodlines and and and different things and and you know
having um again I mean I I've had this a debate with people about whether you know now it
is are the secret societies a um manifestation of the elite control okay or you know what what is
their relationship is is are we just dealing with uh you know uh a class warfare okay or are we
dealing with the imposition of control from above and and so you know how do how does that
happen I mean are you know are people you know meeting in secret around a candle and and saying okay
we're going to to do this or are they doing it through you know um uh you might almost say
mechanical means and economic means of of of imposing uh this control because now one thing
when when you look at the secret societal side one thing that the secret societies have you know
talked about is that they have a a a a ledger several ledgers okay that that that go back you
know hundreds of years okay that that track economic political astrological and different
things so you have a a a a real you know track record of saying okay well if we do this blah
to blah to blah to blah this is this is going to happen uh we we did a book uh by a gentleman out
of belgium and and what they found there that the it's uh it's based on a uh state police
reported in belgium where um they uh you know put somebody into one of these secret societies
any any rows on up and rows on up and what he found out at the top okay was there was a whole
bunch of organizations all called the order okay and and but you had different flavors
okay you had you know uh muslim ones uh you know jewish ones christian ones gay one you know different
different flavors uh up there and then you know i mean how would how would how would these secret
societies operate well um you know i call them circles and say you've got a circle over here
and you've got a circle over here well well through time you know uh and and this circle
might have been created as an opposition to the to this religion over here blah to blah to blah
but they come aware of each other okay and they say okay what are we going to do uh you know we
could fight each other or who is our common enemy our common enemy is the people global warming
is a massive con there was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change
is a problem that is going to kill us that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it
it's a non-existent problem but how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends well i've
just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book watermelons which captures the
story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to
fleece you to take away your freedoms to take away your land it's a shocking story i wrote it as i
say in the well 2011 actually the first edition came out and it's a snapshot of a particular era
the era when the people behind the time climate change scan got caught red-handed tinkering with the
data torturing till it screamed in a scandal that i helped christen climate gate so i give you the
background to to the sculled jugglery that went on in in these seats of learning where
these supposed experts were informing us we've got to act now i rumbled their their scan i then
asked the question okay if it is a scan who's doing this and and why it's a good story i i've
kept the the original book pretty much as is but i've written two new chapters one at the beginning
and one the end explaining how it's even worse than we thought i think it's a i think it still
stands up i think it's it's a good read i obviously i'm biased but i'd recommend it you
can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop you'll probably find that might just go
get to my website and look for it jamesdellingpole.co.uk and i hope it helps keep you informed and gives
you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that oh it's
a disaster we must amend our ways and appease the gods appease mother god no we don't it's a scam
okay you had you know muslim ones you know jewish ones christian ones gay one you know
different different flavors up there and then you know i mean how would how would how would these
secret societies operate well you know i call them circles and say you've got a circle over
here and you've got a circle over here well well through time you know and and this circle
might have been created as an opposition to the to this religion over here blah blah blah
but they come aware of each other okay and they say okay what are we gonna do uh you know we're gonna
fight each other or who is our common enemy our common enemy is the people okay and so and so
these circles then say well how am i gonna try so they say well okay i'm gonna have some people
from your circle join my circle you know for whenever we get together and different things
okay so you're gonna have you're gonna have interlocking circles and then you're generally
gonna have say quote unquote a council above that okay uh type type thing and and then you're
gonna have you know people that are brought in uh that are gonna try and use some of the
techniques that they're using for their own personal gain and and other things like that so
you know it gets a little bit messy okay but basically what what you can track down is is the
secret society is basically based in Europe with some side partners in the orient okay because
just as these people in the west were getting very rich from selling opium and other things
there was people in in the in the orient they were also getting rich and i mean you think there's
any secret societies in china okay yeah and so and so you know again it gets down to the question of
how does the world really work okay is is it is it you know what we've been trying to do here
in the united states of government of and buying for the people okay and you know we we also we just
did a book recently called uh two world wars and hitler i love it isn't that a great book it's a
fantastic i i keep wanting to get the authors on this podcast doesn't that be good yes yes yes
we can we can uh work work to to get that done but uh you know because again you know i i i wrote
lots of books on on banking and stuff and i've read lots of books on the world wars and hitler
and whatnot but that book just really puts it together into a way uh that we can understand
the profidity okay uh that these elite classes are are are doing you know i mean i i i you know it's
basically two scottish scientists you know taking on british historians yes okay and and you know
because historians construct okay historians construct their history from documents and
and different things and and scientists you know they well does this does this does this really
work out i mean is the thesis correct and so i i really enjoyed putting that book together and
enjoyed reading and i think it's a great book sold well it is doing it is doing well i mean it
isn't you know uh smashing the doors down but it it's it's doing well and and steady i mean
you know i mean the whole media landscape you know i mean we're in a period of
change there's we as we as a people all together have a fail-safe device so we just don't go
running off the cliffs okay and humanity's gone okay and and the first fail-safe device is basically
known to us as as a dialectic okay and uh you know and i say some things that that i know are true
about secret societies intelligence agencies and drug running okay and then i find somebody
that i know is a spook okay that that says stuff a little he says some of the same stuff but put some
lies in there okay makes it more outrageous because by controlling the extremes you control the middle
okay so that's why you've got all these wild things out on on on on the ends okay it's
part of a control mechanism but at the next fail-safe device that we have is a cycle of generations
okay there's a very good book called generations a history of america's future okay and these are
the same people that put out the book fourth turning okay because you basically you have an
idealistic group and then you have a reactive group and then you have a civics group and then
you have a group that recombines it all and then you start all over again okay well in this book
and you know and this moves history forward in this book they show how the kids that were teens
and pre-teens in the 1860s okay didn't cohere as a generation uh they you know some of them
joined the generation after some of them joined the generation before some of them just went
off in the woods and did weird stuff okay and uh so why did that happen well it happened because
of war the assassination of a president and um drugs okay opium the the soldier's disease
okay oh what was it was opium a problem in the west as well uh yes especially you know
after the soldiers came home and and they were affirmed and and and different things and so and and
so uh what this does is is you have a a four-cycle engine that's only running on three cycles and
and it makes our our polity um uh you know less less strong and it allows and it allows
for people in the shadows to come in and affect it okay and so um one of the first
things skull and bones did was to take over the education system but then uh because of the second
opium war when opium became legal okay and the smugglers lost their cash cow okay i mean they
developed the opium clipper going up and down the coast and everything and and and so uh after
the second opium war uh it took a little while people to figure out wait a minute i don't need
you smugglers hey india send me a boatload you know i'll pay the duty this is when the sassoons
started to to make their their money okay so what did uh the quote unquote powers that they do
okay well they uh fomented the spanish-american war okay through false flag and yellow journalism
okay um and well it's a bit of a bit of a story but uh teddy roosevelt was under secretary of navy
okay and the secretary navy had gout and he went home early one day and teddy stepped up to the
desk and sent off some missives and secretary navy came back and said teddy what did you do
and he never left early again and and um so they got you know remember the main the main blew up
and they got war declared well we didn't go to cuba right away i mean teddy got to quit his job and
and go get some of his friends and get together a thing and and run up san juan hill but we took
the philippines right away that's what teddy had done he'd sent a missive off to parry and says
go go down to manila okay and why why that because manila is the oldest western port in the far east
okay and these smugglers you know during the day they didn't call themselves smugglers they were
china traders and uh but they always had a back office in in in manila and so uh they sent out
arthur macarthur as the first uh military governor and uh do a horrific war there mark twain got himself
a lot of trouble talking about it we raped and pillaged and and did all kinds of terrible things
and then uh they sent out william howard tap the son of the founder of skull and bones and
member of the order of skull and bones to uh the philippines and mckinley asked him to be on the
supreme court and he said no roosevelt became president and roosevelt were heavily involved in
the drug trade um they were ship captains and owned ships and actually delano uh war and delano
franklin's grandfather was a chief factor for rustle and company for 20 years in canton
and actually came back lost money and lost his fortune in a in a panic went back and made another
fortune and so um uh they uh with this oh okay so so so then then taft uh finally finally
roosevelt asked taft to be on the supreme court and taft said no and then then roosevelt asked him
to be secretary war and he said okay my dad he'd been secretary war i'll be secretary war and he
came back and you look at the historical record what'd he do he made opium illegal for the first
time in modern asian the philippines which means you need smugglers again and then he started the
haig and the shanghai convention which gave us a prohibition of cannabis coca and opium okay again
which allows people in the shadows to sell plants for more than gold and some of these plants in
the right places you can grow three times a year right so it gives them this prohibition of
drugs is all was was essentially so that the drugs traders could make a bigger profit
yeah yeah yeah yeah and it gives them some quote unquote social control okay mechanisms through
through uh police and and and things like that so uh before we go on yes can i just just pause you um
have we got time to have you got time to give me a sort of brief overview on the vietnam war and
why it was about drugs because i understood that the french when it was indochina the french and
the korsican mafia basically controlled the drugs trade and then america moved in basically to to
take over the heroin trade is that right uh that's uh that's a lot of it that and you know some uh
geopolitical reasons but what one of the main reasons was uh the drug i mean you could you could
follow the american military around okay uh you know we took we took the golden triangle i mean
it was very interesting reading around about the drug trade because a lot of the um
no legitimate uh information stopped in the 1930s okay but the balkans okay were always
generally number three okay three or four uh a supplier of of opium okay and so you know uh
we went there and then you know we went of course to uh the golden crescent okay uh afghanistan and
whatnot uh to influence that that drug trade so and and again one thing that we find is that just
like uh oh the mafia found out that if you had a house ill repute and you had some girls in there
if you left the same girls in there over and over uh the the trade went down so you had to move the
girls around well they they moved the drug trade around to okay uh to to uh to different to
different points but then uh to go back to this cycle of generations okay um the powers would be
tried again okay because they were very successful in that you know the people in the 1860s the teens
and pre-teens and and then being able to affect uh our future because you know once they did the
spanish-american war okay they got their hooks very much into the u.s government uh they were
able then to take us to well let's get them into an income tax oh and then let's get them into
fake money oh and then what are we going to do well you need to get them into debt so you have
world war one um then you have world war two and see and then you have every 20 years okay you
have a war so it's uh what did your daddy do in the war son so they're you know creating creating
this this this type of uh of thing and uh uh so it it just continues to to go on so
they were looking at the teens kids that were going to be teens and pre-teens in the 1960s
okay and and and again this was going to be an idealistic group so they wanted the kids that
were teens and pre-teens in the 1960s um to not cohere to not come together as a generation
again uh and you can trace this operation um and they had to have three things in place by 1950
to do this they had to have the modern education system and this was brought to us directly
through the masons okay uh and then they had to have a nascent drug culture and then they
had to have television okay and television not just television but television that goes
at 60 cycles a second there's a little flicker in there you read any book about hypnosis it'll
tell you that a 60-second flicker will put you into a trance okay so um
they targeted us teens and and pre-teens in the 1960s because they didn't want us to cohere
but we we did cohere we cohere it as hippies around a joint being smoked around in a circle
with a little bit of lsd thrown in okay because with lsd yeah you can make people wear white sheets
and you can disrupt but you can't control people like you can with opium i mean opium has a very
simple um you know here kid you want some oh you want some more oh how about your friends
okay i mean it has a very simple dynamic okay but and then so what then what came out of the
hippies uh history channel had to do a big two hour special they said what came out of the hippies
was the personal computer and the internet okay and those are the tools that all of us are using
to fight the corruption of people using secrecy to lie cheat and steal okay because the personal
computer allows me to be a publisher okay and the internet allows me to tell people about it okay so
that's the dynamic and and now we have ai okay and and you know ai isn't isn't evil in itself
it's just a thing just like anything it depends on what people do with it yeah yeah so does that
mean you're sounding almost optimistic that are you saying sorry but what you seem to be saying is that
despite the best played land the best play the best laid plans of these people who aren't evil
but do evil uh they they founder on the rocks of i don't know human nature that we have
something within us which is resistant to these schemes yes yes i i i'm very hopeful i i i think that
that you know uh again you know the book fourth turning okay by these same people that did generations
is very very interesting and what basically what fourth turning says is is after you have so many
of these um you know generational movements you come to a place where there's a
a paradigm shift okay and and and the people that you know it it's hard to to to run in place
during a paradigm shift okay things things are going to change okay so um uh the the
quarter and court powers that be are trying every darn game that they can okay so that
once this paradigm shift you know continues to happen that they'll be it's still in control
okay and and i i'm i'm really hopeful that i think that the lengths okay and the lies
uh and you know and the buffalowing that they've had they're having to do
okay is really exposing themselves explode exposing their profidity and i truly you know
i mean right now you've got you can have a goat herder in kenya
you know watching actually this on his iphone okay so so so i like that goat herder i respect
hey a big shout out to you kenyan goat herder or masai cattle farmer whatever you are
right right so so you know we we've got we definitely have the opportunity
okay to have a wonderful change here towards government oven buying for the people
for the whole i mean we we do all live on just one planet don't we i mean we we we've had
things go up there and look back down on it so we know that we're just one planet okay
i don't believe in all the other planets if that's what you're asking me i don't believe in i
don't believe in outer space it's just bullshit well okay well there's there's been things floating
around out there for for quite a while but you know yeah so so you know i i am very hopeful
because i i do think that you know um
there is yeah i really think that there's enough information out there that we can you know figure
out who's quote unquote lying to us and and who has our best interest you know and well do you
part from us i mean i mean at the senior level uh yes yes yes i i i yes i i do believe so because i
have gotten uh help out of out of the shadows okay yeah yeah and the illuminati well you know from uh
early on you know we were talking you know uh doing books about ci drugs and different things and and
we would be talking to like uh old spooks and military people okay because a lot of times these
people wouldn't figure out what they were doing for you know 10 20 years okay because it was it's
very compartmentalized okay and and once they figure out what they're doing you know and a lot
of them didn't didn't like it when they when they figured it out and so i know that you know
there were people that you know i mean i had somebody try to stop a book at the at the printer
and and these guys told these people listen these guys are just writing books okay you know
we got some stories we could really tell you just just leave these people alone okay and and i got
you know i got communicate matter of fact i i met with a gentleman who was a uh
uh what do you call him seal team uh uh trainer okay and they were getting very very upset this is
probably oh not quite 10 years ago but they were getting very upset because they were seeing how
they were being used and abused okay and because they didn't play boo well they they were they
were trying to demand you know changes and and and and different things and you know i mean this one
guy told me about he says yeah we got this uh gun you know it'll uh sniper rifle it'll it'll it'll
shoot a mile away accurate and there's a camera in the head of the bullet okay so the people back
wherever can can can watch the action happen okay so um you know there's there's a lot of
moving parts that that the quote unquote uh powers that be have got to have got to keep in place
okay to keep their stuff going and you know i'm i'm i'm a big fan of sovereign nations
i'm a big fan of sovereign money okay um and there's a a lot of things that you know they're
oh like covid yeah there was a lot of hinky things done with covid but it basically
it came out of bio warfare and they they used the covid to again divide and radicalize people
along wrong lines okay it from from what i've looked at what do you mean by along the wrong lines
well public health is is is a real thing okay pandemics are a real thing okay and you know uh
if what i've learned through uh intelligence people is that it basically started with a
factory that was uh blew up in in in russia in september okay and it was this was a bio weapon
that was basically mostly designed uh against oriental folk and that's one reason why uh
Russia uh why china went really nuts on it and see and it didn't come back to to russia until
somebody from there went to italy and came back and that's when you know you had all the ambulances
running around moscow and different things but it's just uh it was it was used as a psychological
warfare uh weapon a lot okay to to create uh havoc and and to uh divide the population
but it that i mean that wouldn't be certainly wouldn't be my take or the take of a lot of my
listeners and viewers i suspect i mean i i think yeah i understand that i understand that and i've
i've gotten a lot of flak from from not jumping on the quote unquote uh pandemic bus yeah yeah okay
but you know i mean i i've i've been in conspiracy theory land for lord have mercy over 50 years okay
and i i've seen a lot of buses come and go okay and you know uh there there's a lot of reasons
why people use conspiracy theory okay to radicalize and to uh it as divisive factors and you know it's
it's a lot of times uh fighting an uphill battle because you know people gonna believe what they
gonna believe you know and and whatnot they are i was gonna ask you i mean you you you cited
somebody who's on a seal team but i i wasn't really talking about that level i mean seal teams okay
have a well-trained they are they're still basically grunts of the elites they're not
that they're not they're not the powers to be i suppose i'm what i'm talking about is is there
anyone on the level of uh no peter teal bad bad guy um Elon musk bad guy trump fastest international
they're basically represent the fastest international yeah i i mean all these public figures built
i mean jeffrey epstein they're all there's no good guys among them name me somebody
well i suppose you can't name them because they probably get offed but is there anyone at that
level at the illuminati level are they are the goodie illuminati or not surely not uh you know um
i i don't know i mean they don't invite me to their meetings okay but uh you know i mean
they they use a lot of blackmail okay so if they're using a lot of blackmail uh that means
that they're they have a bunch of unwilling uh participants okay i mean you know i mean
there's situations where i see where you know uh some of the rules for some secret societies
if you want to join them you have to give them blackmailable material so that you can
you know go to their parties okay so uh i i don't know i mean that's a
yeah but i i do think that there's good people in the shadows too i i do i i don't think everybody
is a uh uh downright evil uh you know acting person i mean it's like you know you talk to
people that uh are assassins okay or are involved with killing people and talk about you know
your first one's hard your second one gets easier your third you know so you know it
how does a person acclimatize themselves to evil how how how does a person you know uh
sit around and watch a snuff film okay uh i mean how does somebody sit around
when a snuff film is being made okay so um there's there's many many ways to quote unquote
meet the devil okay and then i guess it depends on how how much of the hooks that they get into
but yeah yeah but you're talking about a class of people who we know that i mean you must know this
unless i'm wrong they tend to get sexually abused by their families so often before the age of three
but when they're most vulnerable and to get to create the sort of the fractured mind and stuff
right strange that psychopathy is is sort of bred into them right they live in a value system where
doing doing bad things is is is a bit like a christian helping a beggar or or or um you know
helping the poor and and and and fatherless um that that they believe in this kind of
system where they have to tell you what they're doing in order to absolve themselves of of of karmic
guilt they have all these codes but they're so bound up in the system okay i can agree with you when
you say they're not fundamentally evil themselves because after all we're all created in god's image
but what they do and what they've been trained to do is evil so they they're not like the killer
on his first mission they're like the killer on his 60th mission
yeah i i mean it you know let's you know there there's a you know intellectual
thing that that you can do you know you try and put yourself in in in somebody else's
shoes and different things i mean there's a a couple things i like to uh one i like to do is
it's called the the cat bird seat okay and you imagine okay so there is this thing called the
illuminati or whatever it is and and you know there's these people okay and if you it if you
are ahead of this okay and you had all these capabilities what would you do how how how
would you operate okay and so then the other thing is is is can't you know
this this mind control technique okay where they you know sexually abuse uh you know babies
children okay to turn them into willing uh participants okay now i've been up against
directly okay in in in cia drugs okay because uh the cia drugs community is is a small research
community okay and and we were uh you know when the internet first came around this was something
new and it was a place where we could talk about it because it wasn't something that was
really talked about very much okay and so uh we created a community there and had a bunch of
authors you know on an email list and and was was doing things and i got a watch in there a gentleman
by the name of michael rupert okay uh become you know a big leader in it okay and basically you know
how was he set up as a leader well the cia sent their uh head honcho to la and and had a press
conference and and rupert interrupted and saying you know uh stuff about it and so uh and so we were
we were going i was having a cia drugs symposiums and and different things and and uh daniel hobserker
was in that group too and he started seeing something hinky there i didn't quite under
understand it and but then
you know he started saying well you know you can't invite this person you can't invite that person
you know and uh i listened to him some and i'm glad i invited other people but and then later on
okay it it when nine eleven happened okay uh we were a bunch of people that were used to
you know deconstructing government lies and so when nine eleven happened the first word thing
that went out was okay everybody turn on your your vcrs okay so right right so i so i gotta watch
rupert you know uh you know the pivot from from uh cia drugs to to nine eleven and and he wrote
across the rubicon and became a you know very big guy in the nine eleven uh truth movement and
whatnot and then all of a sudden you know he he goes to to russia okay for for three weeks for
an economic conference okay and he comes back from there and and uh we have this big first nine
eleven conference in san francisco and he starts reporting that well nine eleven we can't change
anything there it's just rearranging the the the decks uh you know the the chairs on the deck of
the titanic uh but we need to do he does what i call the conspiracy two step tango it takes us to
peak oil okay which is just a bullshit yeah use my language uh conspiracy theory and so you know
i i dug into it and you know i i he went through the mind control training as a kid okay and to be
able to be used in in in this situation and he brought another person uh to this uh uh community
who at the time would talk about her mind control training as a young kid okay and this was
catherine austin fits she doesn't like to talk about it these days okay but but you know that's
how she got on to the board of dylan reid okay and see another another aspect of the mind control
training um uh ups the intelligence level of of of the subject okay and and you know uh when i
when i first met catherine you know she would talk about it and if you you know she wanted you
to watch some particular movies before she talked about it much but and and it's and it's you know it's
it wasn't something that that she chose to do it was something that you know somebody put her in
that position okay and she's been able to grow up because you see a lot of that again it goes
back to trance and how how much a person goes into a trance okay and you know after a while
some people you know uh they grow out of it and and but it it's again it is it is a reality that
that does happen and you know you can like i say you can trace it back farther than mk alter
you can trace it beyond mk alter that's one of the things that epstein was doing and that's
run read i got you know was very sad last week because we had to announce a book that
the author is withdrawing okay uh uh epstein uh blue butterfly and because this book wasn't going
into the uh sex it was going into the scientist okay because yeah he was gathering young women
and and and girls and things but he was also gathering a whole bunch of world-class scientists
he was also given these guys money to do things and this this is a continuation okay of uh the mk
ultra uh continuation they were doing cloning uh they were looking into all i mean that that
ranch it in new mexico you know uh this gal uh woke up there uh on on a on a on a table uh you
know looking up at a medical thing and with a with a surgeon there and and uh we believe that they
were harvesting eggs we have statements from other survivors about egg harvesting and of
of particular uh blood lines and blood types okay so um there's there is presumably what
recess negatives presumably um i i believe and a lot of oh yes yes and and a b negative
something like that yes yeah and and so there was you know there's a lot more going on and you
know they they'll throw a throw out all kinds of things to you know distract us and and stem the
stem the flow yeah yeah i sorry just going back to the catholic austin fits i mean i knew that
she was from one of those families but i didn't realize that she was she'd had that kind of
fractured personality thing in her
because a lot a lot a lot of people are divided in the in the kind of the whatever this community's
called truth seekers whatever they're kind of divided over over catherine austin fits you know
a bit like they are over say tucker carlson they they think well yeah he comes up with some good
information but but he's basically working for the other side working for their leads
well yeah i you know i i understand that i mean i'm you know do you beat the other side
or do you um squeeze it to death if that makes any sense you know um you can you can you can run
away from things or sometimes you can embrace them and change them you know so it's uh you know i mean
it's does the uh uh did the did you go live in a cave you know uh to to uh create a better world
or do you try and create a better world through talking to people i mean you know i i don't
know there's there's lots of different things but yeah i i can understand that but you know
catherine is is a good person and in very smart well i like him i think she's very smart um
so you think we should love bomb the illuminati into righteousness yeah you know i i i don't think
we're gonna get rid of them by hating them okay i i i you know i'm a uh uh i i like i like
buddha i like you know i i you know i i like uh you know well
i like life i i you know and and you know christ said you know love god and and and
everybody's your brothers and sisters and and that's the whole of the law and that that really
is you know so i'm very uh i'm just very very hopeful and i really think that you know the
illuminati has been exposed the most as of today okay i mean you know uh we know more about them
okay uh than we did when you know i was a little kid okay and and and there's more information
out there but truth seekers need to realize that um it's it's not just to to uncover evil
okay or evil deeds uh it is to create a new way forward i mean i'm you know i'm very
i say all the time onward to a better future for our children
okay because that's who we leave the world to okay is to is to our children and with the ability
to you know with ai and and the ability to just really lock things down if we don't stand
up now and do something okay our children and their children are are you know they're they're
gonna they're gonna be smacked down so i but like i say i'm very hopeful because i really think that
the illuminati whatever you want to call them have you know i've gone way over their skis
okay and you know it's i mean the jack boots are quite visible that's very true i mean
uh i'm not sure i quite share your i mean look um you've just described to me how these people have
have the power to decide how the culture treats each generation you know that they can say right
this is going to be the generation that does this i mean my generation for example i don't get this
what was the purpose of them flooding us with mdma ecstasy and making us all listen to dance music
summer of second summer of love and all that um you know i i found that very interesting because
i'm i'm a musician and so i would play and and you know we would play these festivals and
and we would play music and then they'd have this other thing off to the distance you know
the trance and the dance music and stuff like that and you know it's it's a way to
control and and befuddle i mean it's just like uh uh video games i mean how much time has been
wasted you know uh playing playing video games instead of instead of you know addressing the
quote unquote problems of the world yeah okay i mean and and and you know i mean
we don't want to have the the whole problems of the world on on you know on on on everybody's
shoulder but you know there is there's obviously you know a way to uh to walk down here and so
i'm just i don't know i i'm just i'm just very hopeful because i really think i mean
you know when you look at the history of the united states okay and you know where they had
to get to okay to break off from england because they they really didn't want to i mean it it took
quite a bit okay to do that okay and but it just it just got too much and and and again
once that happened then government oven buying for the people kind of spread around the world
okay now you know what what i noticed in in in in england is the psychological control
you know is is is very strong there in england i think i mean i don't know i don't live there i
i live here in the united states and we have you know uh they have very strong control here too
but the other thing is that we have a lot of space and so you know uh you can go somewhere
and you aren't really bothered by it by a lot of people okay so they they seem to you know
activate you know different controls in in in different countries to to a certain extent but
you know well we're now worldwide and and they're really trying to impose this quote unquote new
world order okay of uh of oligarchy really and um i don't i just uh it's going to be
dang interesting that's for darn sure you know the thing like that because i had a great time
yesterday um reading through your um collected essays on skull and bones and one of the things i
learned which is which is i thought was really interesting um was that russell before he founded
skull and but that well actually i learned lots of good things i mean i learned that
Yale is basically the CIA they're they're almost synonymous that it's um i don't think we've got
an equivalent in england i mean maybe oxford is is mi6 i don't know um all souls guys all souls
right okay fair enough yeah um but the your man russell he went over to a before he founded
skull and bones he went to a german university and joined one of their elite clubs there and skull and
bones was actually the set up as the sister branch of this and you and you suggested that the the
german secret society was basically the illuminati so you've got the illuminati being imported
from europe from germany to to yale and becoming becoming the sort of governing mechanism for the
illuminati in the in the in the the us but also importing i love the idea that the battle of
the battle of yana was what decided the education policy for the next 200 years 300 200 years that
the defeat of the prashans the prashans were considered to be too free thinking and so bismarck
said well look at the lesson of this we don't want free thinking people we want them to be able to
stand in a line and get moaned down with great shop for the greater good so now we're going to
institute this education system that's going to and it this all connects so you've got then
the americans the people in skull and bones going yeah this is a great idea let's create
this dumbed-down population just clever enough to do our bidding but not clever enough to think
for themselves to think outside the box and so what we're going to do is we're going to get people
like jewey to who was the other educationalist that was the responsible for your appalling
education system john jewey and oh i can't i can't think so you've got this really really
shit education system being imposed on america by design and then man and and then we come full
circle because at the beginning you mentioned somebody called charlotte i assume you mean charlotte
isabette yes is a bit yeah is a bit so charlotte is a bit who i i wish i'd i'd done a podcast with
but when did she die oh maybe three three years ago three four years ago something that's so
unlucky i would love did you meet her oh yes yes what was she like oh she was wonderful she she was uh
you know i met her in in san francisco uh one day she was wearing leather pants and and a really nice
lady and uh i've got an author who wrote a school world order okay jake klyzen okay who spent a lot
of time with her okay and you should get him on too i would do yes yes it it's a very good book
my publisher's forward basically says this is a scary book because as i understand it charlotte
isabette came from one of the sort of the bloodline backgrounds so she was she was one of the
elites and she was given this cushy posting in the bush administration was it i think she started
first in the reagan administration yeah but she was given this job which was it which it was a kind of
what they wanted her to do was to go to the country club rather than take her job seriously
but that instead she she was in education and instead she started looking at the files
and realizing that it was no accident that american kids were becoming more and more stupid
it was by design so she wrote a book book called the dumbing down of america dumbing down something
big big big big yellow book big yellow book yes and and there's john john taylor gato's
history of uh underground history of american education too uh that's very good he was working
with with with Sutton uh and no charlotte was a like i say her her father and grandfather were
both members of the order of skull and bones uh they were both mining engineers and she was a lady
who who sent the uh the books the uh membership books uh to to tony and i mean right now i mean
i've even tried uh recently asking ai and and different things uh to get me a
current list of skull and bone members and it it it won't supply it okay i mean they stopped
publicly releasing their members uh in 1968 uh george eight uh w bush's uh year it was the
last year that they had them in the uh the annual the banner annual at at Yale and the only place
that that releases their names and sometimes they say they don't know for sure is is rumpus a Yale
tabloid that's put out by students right and i mean it's been very interesting at times
skull and bones is you know has become very very toxic there and the freshman class
will announce it nobody in our class is going to join skull and bones but by the time they get to
their junior year there's some that that always always join me and then you know uh the drug
trade the immensity of the drug trade is you know uh officially they say that there's a million to a
million two junkies in the united states i think there's a few more okay but at a million to a
million two uh that's a ton a ton a day that has to be you know broken down and given out okay
i mean there's some people that you know uh they might buy three days worth and there's
some buy a week and there's some even that buy a month okay but most people are daily opium intake
people okay at at at you know that's a ton a day okay and russia according to official figures
has has five percent of its population is daily opium intake okay uh china still has the largest
number of people that are daily opium intake people and then iran has the largest percentage
population of 10 because it's a upper class and middle class uh thing in iran and so i mean
the amount of of of stuff that has to be spread around the world is just a mince and you know i
uh oh i'm a musician and and i met a few people that have moved drugs and i was a friend of these
people of a mexican car to tell them they started telling me a story about how this company is
oil company from brazil ugly because they had this valley in in mexico where they've been
growing opium poppies for well over a hundred years and they said yeah this company came to us
and they they want to put a little shack in the middle of their valley where the pipe comes up
out of the ground and then goes back in okay because again you know a ton a day for a million
two and it's a lot more but how did they get it here okay they're using the oil pipelines and
pigs okay to move stuff around okay it's it's it's it's a huge industry again they all should be just
straight and legal because as long as they're illegal is it the world's biggest the most lucrative
industry uh it's the most profitable right it's it's the most it's the most profitable
and you know it it it's illegal so we don't really get all the figures do we
and who so the people who are making the money out of this are basically the old families
the old families the banks and the banks yeah yeah you know i mean uh
you know i mean you can look at you know from a mafia standpoint you know they're going to want to
take out their competition because you know it's it's like the when the americans got involved in
in the in the drug in the opium trade because he the british east junior company had told us americans
that we had to buy tea from them well the americans said blonk a blonk and and we started
meeting dutch and french ships out in the middle of the ocean and and getting tea and giving them
ginseng and different things and so we uh the americans developed a clippership which could
tack against the wind so when we got involved in the drug trade you're going from canton to bomb
bay um these guys they were sometimes it would take two years for the ship to go back and forth
and then some people were doing you know in one year and then the clippership got involved and so
they were doing it three times a year okay so did the british not have clippers uh after a while
after a while but the the americans developed them first wow and and then um uh during the first opium
war uh the americans weren't involved in it so we had our factory you know in canton opened during
the whole whole war the other you know the french and the german the dutch and the british
weren't there so we developed very strong relationships with them so uh yeah it's uh history is is is
what we learned from and the future is to where we're going yeah well it's interesting hearing
this from you because you spent a lot of time looking into this stuff um i mean i had no idea
that a lot of american families had enriched themselves with the opium trade nor nor
had i any idea about how important the opium trade was i kind of thought heroin was a kind of minority
thing these days and that it was not it's heroin the big drug still well hero i mean it's been
taken over by fentanyl okay it's it's you know it's it's easier to produce and and and blah
to blah to blah right okay but uh the people that are you know controlling it uh and spreading
it out and and you know aren't the people that are going to jail you said at the beginning that
that you know when you started reading out reading about this world you found one book blaming
the Mormons one book blaming the Catholics one book blaming the masons one book blaming the Jews
where are you on because i've heard different theories there's the spring mire 13 satanic blood
lines i i i i'm known fritz i i'm known fritz for 50 years you can't trust everything fritz says
and he talks about that he says he he puts everything up and and puts it down because
i mean i was sitting and talking to a guy that fritz once said it was killed by a cult okay
and he was he was alive so i like fritz and there's some good stuff in there but you
you just need to be careful i mean you need to be careful with everybody's well that's always been my
policy i mean i you know i can i can i could listen to this this if i if i listen to my old
interviews which i don't but if i did i'd be going through this and going yeah he was really
he was really on the money there not sure i buy his stuff about that i think that that has
to be the approach you have to sort of compare what you know with what this person's telling you
and what your instinct tells you and all all this that that makes sense but you must have got a kind
of a feeling there's there's the the story about the the black nobility story about families going
back to ancient rome some of them like the duponts which can trace their heritage back to babelon
in a dupont there's some connection between the word pontiff and it's an occult thing
um so do you i mean would you say it in terms of kind of like rival mafia gangs so you've got the
kind of the jewish mob you've got the the catholic mob you've got there is that how it works no
no i i i truly uh believe you know the again the uh uh the book out of uh out of belgium based
on the state police report where they put somebody up and he got up to the top and there was a whole
whole bunch of uh things all called the order okay and so i really look at as a again a secret
societal system is is is the control mechanism and they're going to um
they're going to create false rivalries uh to move the population okay uh for different
narratives but like i say you know yes scone bones is related to a german secret society okay and
in the in these societies your your allegiance is not to your country your allegiance is to the
secret societies so i really see um you know uh i i'm sure there is some um oh rivalries
but at a certain point in time you're going to look to cooperate because the cooperation
between these secret societies is going to allow them to uh control uh defeat their enemy
which again is the people okay i mean they've got to keep you know whatever semblance of okay
why are we deserve to be in power okay why why do the blue bloods think they're blue
okay it's it's a fancy way of saying well we're related to king david okay and so then they try and
use you know um psychopomp to say that you know that that means that you know we're we're the
elite and you know we're we're part of the you know we we we deserve it okay and you know but
when you look at history you know the first thing a usurper does okay it's create a false history
so he's in with that line of of of control okay and i believe there's there's work in and uh
well genetics and and dna that shows you know you go back four or five hundred years and and and
you know we're all pretty much related you know so all this blood bloodline superiority
blah blah blah is it is just a a control mechanism when again we need to have
proper ways of of of governance here i mean you know there's some people say oh we don't
need government well i don't know i i i think we need government so that we can all talk to each
other i mean you got you know some people can't even get along talking with the other people just on
facebook you know so um government of and buying for the people where uh you know you
look at your problems and you and you figure out how to how to deal with them rather than
having you know control imposed from above okay either because you know there are the royals or
or or or whatnot so you know i don't know do you think that um if you and i had been ambitious
we could have joined the illuminati oh possibly but they would have probably just uh
steal what you have and give it to somebody else okay i mean now the illuminati you know you had
a white shout okay start that uh what was that uh may 1st 1776 okay and and then you had come to
america you had five eight of kappa was formed here in december 5th 1776 okay and then two shoots
went off from that was at college of william and mary two shoots went up one went to yale one went
to harvard okay and now uh like the number 322 that's the number of uh of skull and bones uh and and
i think that those are like chapter numbers okay and i think you have lots of lots of different
chapters um uh around and of the order yes so what you mean that skull and bones is the 322nd chapter
of the order what's number one i i personally think it's in uh in vivaria but you know i i don't
go to their meetings i just read books you know and but but beyond all that uh you know i i i'd
like to see a future uh without uh the secrecy okay of of of these people using secrecy to lie
no okay and and uh um so again i'm i'm i'm hopeful i'm i'm i'm just really hopeful because
either either we're we're we're gonna we're gonna live in a in a lockdown or we're gonna
live in some liberty and freedom do you do you wonder why you haven't been bumped off
oh it probably causing more problems than than than it'd be worth i mean the the biggest thing
that i've found is is that they basically i i get ignored i get ignored okay because if they if if
if light gets shined upon me you know they've got to explain it and so uh they i mean i i don't
have a wikipedia page okay i've been doing trying day for 26 years got 180 books okay people have
tried to set one up and it gets taken down they say oh his books don't they don't mean nothing to see
here nothing to see here so um now you've got me worried gris because i do i do have a wikipedia page
i'm a target aren't i right right but you know it's uh like we live in very interesting times
you know we live in very interesting times and and um i'm hopeful for the future i just think that uh
yeah but you but the thing problem is christ that you're a big soppy buddhist whereas
so you haven't you believe rule rule one with the world and i i'm a christian i don't you know i've
got revelation i'm a christian too i may uh you know i believe uh you know uh buddhism you know
drusselm was on uh you know a track that went all all the way back to the to the spices i mean
there was there was buddhist buddhist communities in egypt at the time okay and and and where
where did he go for you know when he was a teenager to to 30 where where where did he go so um
i don't know i'm just lord have mercy again i i'm just i'm just very hopeful because i really
think that uh the exposure isn't doing the illuminati any good okay i mean um and and in today's world um
again it it's going to get interesting i mean everybody's got a
a computer in their pocket got a phone in their pocket got a movie in their pocket
you know along along with that guy in kenya you know so who knows where our help is going
to come from i would i yeah i will take the guy in kenya but i'm not sure whether that's
enough compensation for everyone carries a spy device which probably can explode on the trigger
signal so we've got the goat herd in kenya versus the fact that everyone is carrying the seeds of
their instant destruction well you know um i guess it's the last half full guy chris
um i i i'm just uh i don't know i uh i i i i i i believe in in in in our country and i and i believe
in people all over the world i i i don't you know most people you know uh they love their children
and they want to they want their children to have a better future
and so that's where a lot of my hope lies but that the thing is because i this is this has been one of
my um take-homes since since i began my crash course journey down the rabbit hole about five
years ago and it's been pretty intense my core like and it's made me love people human beings
more than ever um because i i believe we're all created in god's image and people just people
don't want to be fighting wars they want to be spending time with their kids and and having
you know chatting to people and hanging out and they like to be growing stuff and doing
stuff that's real like hunting you know on on horseback and and things that matter um i i
get all that i get all that but the people who run the world ain't like that i mean you know whether
it's it's not their fault or it is their fault is neither here nor there the point is they are
what they are and they do what they do and i agree we we can all build communities and
build parallel systems and that's what we're doing i think and you're right the more
information gets out there the it puts the baddies on the back foot but i don't think it's
going to resolve itself in the next generation well it's going to get very interesting we have
we have the next uh you know generation alpha is is the next um uh uh what do you call it yeah
whatever the next gen yeah but no they're they're the uh uh not the uh
they're the people looking towards the future you know and and and and so and again we've got
this this cycle of generations can and and this this fourth turning this paradigm shift
can lift us into uh quote unquote heaven on earth here okay where we aren't uh you know
fighting wars where we aren't uh you know uh having you know an economy that is based on
you know war and and other things i mean um how many of the chinese people you know
want to kill us how many of us want to kill the chinese how many of us want to kill the russians
blada blah blah yeah but chris i'm going to refer you to one of the books that you've
know you've read because you've published it two world wars and hitler and i learned
from reading that book that in 1913 no british people had no interest whatsoever in fighting
in fighting germans they had to be they had to be worked on very heavily and unfortunately
that we know that the um uh the millner group controlled the media they controlled academe
they controlled politics they controlled finance and they used those those um those institutions
to slowly whip the populace into a frenzy of to to the point where people were killing gangs
were stalking daxons german dogs were being hunted down in the streets german pianos were
being chucked out of windows now this is in a populace that had no interest in fighting a war
and then few months later they were all queuing up joining pal's battalions to fight with their
mates to go off and it was all going to be over by christmas and how many million of them
died the flower of generation was wiped out so you know it's one of the things saying yeah
nobody really likes war but it's another thing saying they're not going to be immune to the
blandishments of a system which is designed to brainwash them and control them controlled by some
evil people well the internet wasn't around at that time okay we can you know we can counter
it as much as we can okay but again there there is there is a counter um argument there is there
is counter voices okay and uh again i'm just hoping that you know again their
their corruption is so much in the open their corruption is so much in the open that it exposes
them it exposes them to change in a good way so you know i i again it it's hope it is hope
but i i i truly you know can can see a path how it can happen okay whether it will or not
who knows but i i i again i'm just i'm just truly because i we're we're sitting here you know
at a virtual table okay talking about this and that's how change happens okay that's how change
happens by people talking people understanding people you know being say oh i didn't understand
that now i'm understanding that more okay and it doesn't just all happen at once i mean like you
were saying you went on a crash course i'm i'm a lucky guy okay my daddy told me some stuff
i didn't understand okay i i got i i got to take you know 20 years until i understood my daddy and
i didn't you know and then i got another you know 20 just reading books here and there and what
we're right people are going through this crash course of going down the rabbit holes trying
to figure out how the world really works okay and then if you get some kind of handle on that
then comes a question well what can i do about it okay and and you're doing something you're having
conversations with me okay and these conversations are being listened to by by other people okay
right and so you know i mean the american revolution okay the largest population was on
was on their couch okay it was just you know uh a small percentage of it that that actually
made change happen okay and yeah the powers that be were still in the background you know
some are some of it holding on uh by the skin of their teeth okay and and they're able to
re-establish themselves but again you know sunlight is the best disinfected okay and and so
people talking about it that's how that's how change happens so before we go chris um
give me your top three of all the books you read on on this on the conspiracies
what are your top three golly walley doodle so i put you on the spot
well two old wars in hitler is is is is awfully good i i do like uh fleshing out skull and bones
are like america's secret establishment and introduction to the order of skull and bones
that was um like the whitney webs um one nation under blackmail you know it explains a lot of the
situation we're in um
professor quigley's books uh both of both of his books are are are very good
um i i don't think i can pick three sorry no that's right that's right well that's
that's the start of reading this well um where can people find you i don't mean
they know how you live anyway the people the black helicopters yeah uh trynday.com okay and i've
also got a conspiracy theory research list ctrl.org it's not very active and but trynday
we've got a facebook page i've got my own facebook page uh chris milligan um that's where i probably
get quote unquote political and uh just uh yeah trynday.com it's got my phone number it's
got an email address like and i imagine you will be providing me with lots lots more
guests from my podcast because it sounds like you're you're published authors and my and my um
my podcast like it's quite a good um well yeah i mean again i've been you know
exploring uh you know how the world really works and and talking to people and then you know
people throw me books and i i don't just publish books that you know um i believe in a hundred percent
i mean because that's not the job of a publisher is you know and so i mean i've got books out there
that you know i don't agree with but uh there there's you know learning in there and their
exposition okay and and you you have to go down some blind alleys too to understand where uh the
reality is too actually before we go i've got to ask you a final question to see whether you are in fact
cia like your father or not is the world a globe a spinning globe uh i think we are a planet yes
i i i think we are a planet in in in a solar system what that lives in a galaxy that lives in
lots of galaxies you crazy i mean i i don't know what that has to do with the cia but that's that's
my own i imagine you've just you've just spelled out the cia position
i i guess i don't know i mean i i was never uh my older brother uh i was asked to join when he uh
he was working in new york the only i was uh i turned down the chicago mob twice did you
yeah yeah well they offered you a place on their graduate recruitment scheme or what i mean well
well no i was a salesman selling uh pre-recorded uh video and i was at the chicago ces show and i was
uh complaining that i wasn't making enough money and they says go go go talk to guido up the top
of the stairs because he had movies that weren't even in the theaters on videotape which you could
then sell you know black uh the sell for 50 to 100 bucks but yeah i didn't i didn't lack of so i said no
and then later on uh they made sure that i knew that the guy uh i was going to meet
own this lounge where i was meeting him with and they wanted to set up a used video warehouse
which yeah there'd be used but there'd be a bunch of uh uh black stuff there too and i uh
so i get there and the guy shows up and he he brought it three picture books he brought a picture
book of his mansion a picture book of his cars and a picture book of his horses oh well you know
i'd been around the block enough to know that you only tell them yes once and so i said no i mean i
could have made a whole bunch of money and everything like that but you only tell those guys yes once
i think that's right i think i might have said yes with the horses that's the problem but
the thing is i've noticed this that i mean
you really don't want stuff in your past that people could blackmail you on do you really i mean
you've got to be and you don't know this when you're young you don't realize it'd be so that
there are so many ways they can ensnare you because you're young and you're foolish and you're
and you think wow i want money because you do when you're younger you want or i want girls
whatever yeah sex sex you know trips up a lot of folks you know yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh uh because
you know it if you don't have somebody on your side how you're going to get them to do what you
want them to do okay and you know if you can tell them a lie to get you what you want them to
order okay so yeah blackmail is is is definitely a way that they get things done so i think chris
we can send a joint message to the younger people watching this um this podcast if you are being
offered easy sex or easy money just remember it's not really easy is that is that fair enough
message the amen amen exactly just learn that kids and and older people who are thinking of
being tempted it's not worth it right um well chris i've really enjoyed chatting to you i did get on
with you um uh perhaps we'll chat again about about other things you obviously you must have
learned an awful lot in your in your how many when did you become what how and how old are you
by the way i'm 76 b 77 this year right um yeah 76 that must be a uh it must have an occult significance
because of 1776 i must mustn't it seven and six well you know it is it's 13
you know the the world the world keeps on happening you know it keeps on keeps on rolling around
i appreciate it sir well thank you i'm gonna go and have some um peanut butter on toast now
and i'm gonna nurse i'm gonna have another aulika tablet for my can you see my finger
well well get well get well thank you i will i'll be a brave boy okay um okay thank you it's been
really good talking to you and um oh yes everybody do consider being a paid subscriber
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i i appreciate your support i value it and thank you again chris thank you take care