WEBVTT 00:14.990 --> 00:20.570 So the deling pod and I don't always say this but I'm really excited about my 00:20.570 --> 00:24.170 special guest this week but before we meet him let's have a word from one of 00:24.170 --> 00:29.910 our sponsors. You might have noticed that the gold and silver prices have been 00:29.910 --> 00:34.850 on a tear recently. Silver prices especially silver silver's gone up 00:34.850 --> 00:40.010 like a rocket and gold has been doing pretty well too. If you bought silver 00:40.010 --> 00:43.550 when I first started talking about it a few years ago you would have 00:43.550 --> 00:47.670 quadrupled your investment by now. If you bought gold you'd certainly have 00:47.670 --> 00:53.190 doubled it and you're probably wondering is it too late? Can I still get into this 00:53.190 --> 00:57.070 this market and make money? 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Are you are you somewhere cold? 02:42.990 --> 02:48.530 Well you know I'm I'm out in Oregon and it's early in the morning and it's not 02:48.530 --> 02:55.010 it's not too cold but you look like you're in some place where it's cold. 02:55.730 --> 03:01.690 Yeah I'm going to try and adjust the volume. You're sounding very 03:04.470 --> 03:09.950 what's the word? You know you're hitting the hitting the the levels where it goes 03:09.950 --> 03:20.890 noisy. What's that called? Too loud? Yeah yeah yeah something like that. Okay how's 03:20.890 --> 03:30.310 this is that better? Yeah that's better yeah yeah. Okay the reason I'm in 03:30.310 --> 03:35.710 some snow coming at the time of recording but I'm like I'm dressed like 03:35.710 --> 03:38.390 this because I'm in the cold room because I don't heat my house in the day 03:38.850 --> 03:43.530 and I've got a cold and I'm feeling sorry for myself because I've broken my 03:43.530 --> 03:51.310 finger while I was hunting. Oh no. Yeah on the horse I think the horse was so 03:51.310 --> 03:56.710 excited that I caught my my finger was in the neck strap and I think just 03:56.710 --> 04:00.230 the pull of the horse who like he was a racehorse and I couldn't really stop him 04:00.230 --> 04:09.430 and he just broke my finger. But what I did Chris I I didn't want to miss out on 04:09.430 --> 04:12.850 the excitement so I just dosed myself with alcohol and carried on hunting. 04:17.030 --> 04:24.690 Well I broke a finger one time I was a catcher and we had a big farm boy 04:24.690 --> 04:30.890 throwing a baseball and I dug it out of the dirt and my bone was sticking out I 04:30.890 --> 04:39.950 take it to the coach and he he goes put it underneath some water kid. That's how 04:39.950 --> 04:50.150 it was back in the day. Yeah Chris your father was in the CIA right? Yes he got 04:50.150 --> 04:56.050 involved in intelligence as an 18 year old kid as a exchange student to the 04:56.050 --> 05:08.250 University of Shanghai in 1936 and then he went through he 1939 he had graduated he 05:08.250 --> 05:11.950 was supposed to go to school in Switzerland and international relations 05:13.170 --> 05:19.150 and he got as far as Washington DC and you know there was something going on in 05:19.150 --> 05:25.830 Europe in 1939 and so he ended up in the basement of the Library of Congress under 05:25.830 --> 05:32.210 Archibald McLeish and they gave him a desk and they said we want you to become 05:32.210 --> 05:39.550 an expert on the Philippines so that's what he started to do and then while 05:39.550 --> 05:45.030 Bill Donovan walked in and started an organization called Coordination of 05:45.030 --> 05:52.110 Information dad was there and then that changed into OSS and dad was there and 05:52.450 --> 06:00.030 then he got drafted and OSS said great we're going to put you into the 06:00.030 --> 06:05.090 military into G2 military intelligence and we're gonna put you on MacArthur 06:05.090 --> 06:11.210 staff because we do not trust MacArthur and Willoughby his top aide and then 06:11.210 --> 06:19.630 he ended up upsetting MacArthur he was working a lot with the guerrillas and 06:19.630 --> 06:25.130 he went into Manila with the guerrillas way before the American troops and he 06:25.130 --> 06:28.850 was helping the guerrillas set up their government their diplomatic mission 06:28.850 --> 06:35.650 and putting the collaborators in jail and when MacArthur finally made it to 06:35.650 --> 06:42.050 Manila he had been raised in in the Philippines and so a bunch of these 06:42.050 --> 06:46.830 collaborators were his childhood friends and he didn't like that and so he 06:46.830 --> 06:53.050 wanted to find out who was responsible and they my dad was the highest American 06:53.050 --> 06:58.110 guy there and they said him and so MacArthur said get rid of Melligan and 06:58.110 --> 07:02.290 so they moved my dad to be head of research and analysis for the invasion 07:02.290 --> 07:08.110 of Japan and they brought in somebody that had been both in OSS and G2 at the 07:08.110 --> 07:14.930 same time to take my dad's place and that was Ed Landstahl and then what my dad 07:14.930 --> 07:20.170 told me later on he said he went through a couple of alphas and soon found 07:20.170 --> 07:29.470 himself in the CIA you know I was raised in Virginia mostly and and he 07:29.470 --> 07:35.710 was branch chief head of all of East Asia analysis office and then he had to 07:35.710 --> 07:42.470 they wanted somebody to talk to Sikarno and my dad wasn't your typical CIA guy 07:42.470 --> 07:49.770 he'd been born in Montana and raised in Oregon and Washington and so they needed 07:49.770 --> 07:55.670 somebody oh liberal to go talk to Sikarno and so I went with him as a 07:55.670 --> 08:03.290 little kid as a you know one of my first jobs was a CIA front okay and then he 08:03.290 --> 08:12.750 came back and he was just doing odd jobs and and different things and then in 08:12.750 --> 08:20.290 1956 he went back and did a report part of it on Landstahl Landstahl was 08:20.290 --> 08:27.290 recalled and things really changed I mean I was just a little kid but we were 08:27.290 --> 08:32.390 living on this farm outside Fairfax and and then all of a sudden they put the 08:32.390 --> 08:37.130 farm up for sale it didn't sell and we moved to another little house there in 08:37.130 --> 08:42.510 Fairfax and then all of a sudden my dad was made a vice president of a 08:42.510 --> 08:47.530 college in Tennessee and so you know I just you know little kid I just moved 08:47.530 --> 08:57.930 with him and then the president of the college quit they asked my dad to be 08:57.930 --> 09:05.190 president he said no and quit and moved the whole family out to Oregon and 09:05.190 --> 09:12.270 later on you know I mean the CIA had the only time I remember it mentioned is 09:12.270 --> 09:20.530 one time in Nashville I was talking with my older brother and older sister you 09:20.530 --> 09:26.530 know I was like eight and and and my older brother says I think dad's in the 09:26.530 --> 09:33.150 CIA and you know again I'm eight years old you know doesn't mean a lot to me 09:33.150 --> 09:41.010 and I was into baseball and and then growing up we were watching a white 09:41.010 --> 09:47.290 paper you know on TV one time about the Vietnam War and my dad was saying stuff 09:47.290 --> 09:55.090 like oh well we knew that and blah to blah to blah and he asked me a question he 09:55.090 --> 09:58.570 says well what do you think of the Vietnam War and you know I was a 09:58.570 --> 10:03.570 teenager I gave him a flip teenage answer I says you got some sack or hand 10:03.570 --> 10:06.570 grenades and there's some rice patties and you go throw the hand 10:06.570 --> 10:09.570 grenades to win it for the good guys wearing the white hats I mean 10:09.570 --> 10:14.710 I'd been raised on John Wayne in World War two you know all my uncles were in 10:14.710 --> 10:24.310 it and he said we had to have a talk and I just went on with my life and went to 10:24.310 --> 10:33.130 college and you know ended up meeting a girl and oh getting her pregnant and 10:33.130 --> 10:39.430 other things like that and and the day before my 20th birthday I show up at 10:39.430 --> 10:43.510 the house and I figure you know we're gonna have you know cake and ice cream 10:43.510 --> 10:49.430 and stuff like that and my dad says it's time to have that talk and there was this 10:49.430 --> 10:57.190 professor from Vanderbilt there Dr. D. F. Fleming and my dad took me into what I 10:57.190 --> 11:02.690 called my you know my little brother's room and and we all sit there 11:02.690 --> 11:07.150 was two chairs in there and then the bed and you know I was sitting on a 11:07.150 --> 11:11.930 chair my dad was sitting on chair the professor was sitting on the bed and my 11:11.930 --> 11:16.710 dad looks at me and he says the Vietnam war is about drugs there's these secret 11:16.710 --> 11:22.970 societies behind it and I'm thinking okay and dad's talking about the mafia you 11:22.970 --> 11:30.830 know this is 1969 okay and and so then and then dad says and communism's all 11:30.830 --> 11:37.130 a sham these same secret societies are behind it it's all a big game okay I 11:37.730 --> 11:42.570 at that point in time I think dad's nuts okay I've been stuffed under the 11:42.570 --> 11:49.390 desk the Ruskies were gonna bomb us you know it just didn't compute okay and and 11:49.390 --> 11:56.530 then they start telling me all about my dad's intelligence career okay and you 11:56.530 --> 12:02.090 know I'm still kind of thinking about this you know the risk communism all 12:02.090 --> 12:05.190 a sham stuff you know but then you know they're talking so I'm trying to 12:05.190 --> 12:14.190 listen and and then they start talking about the Vietnam war and about they 12:14.190 --> 12:20.190 make this statement how about how they are playing out the loose scenario in 12:20.190 --> 12:28.550 Vietnam okay which again doesn't compute at all okay I mean at this point in 12:28.550 --> 12:35.850 time you know I you're trying to draft me okay to send me over there to kill 12:35.850 --> 12:42.190 people and I'm finding out that I had to kill them with rules which didn't 12:42.190 --> 12:46.570 compute with me now if I'm you know I'm 19 you're gonna kill somebody you want 12:46.570 --> 12:50.030 to kill somebody but you know they tell you got to kill them with rules which 12:50.030 --> 12:56.890 doesn't compute and then I got my dad and this professor telling me that you 12:56.890 --> 13:02.630 know they are playing out a loose scenario in Vietnam and they they explain 13:02.630 --> 13:08.290 that they had when Eisenhower had come become president there had been this big 13:08.290 --> 13:13.930 worldwide assessment report done for him and they'd done part of this stuff 13:13.930 --> 13:19.570 about Southeast Asia and they were saying things like you know you don't you 13:19.570 --> 13:25.370 know back a Catholic government in a Buddhist country among other things and 13:25.370 --> 13:31.570 saying that you know we had worked with Ho Chi men and blah blah blah and and so 13:32.270 --> 13:38.690 then they start talking about psychological warfare and propaganda and 13:39.550 --> 13:47.030 my dad in the middle of a sentence just stopped speaking okay because it became 13:47.030 --> 13:51.730 very apparent that I had no idea what they were talking about I was I was 13:51.730 --> 14:02.190 completely lost okay so so so yes my father was in the CIA and and what he 14:02.190 --> 14:07.630 told me there he said you know he quit him soft in 57 and hardened 59 when we 14:07.630 --> 14:14.330 moved from you know when he quit being a college professor or president and I 14:14.330 --> 14:19.730 had talked with Peter Dale Scott about this because he was very concerned 14:19.730 --> 14:27.090 because the CIA had rules that they weren't supposed to be in academia and and you 14:27.090 --> 14:33.250 know like my dad said he left him soft in 57 hard and 59 because I believe in 14:35.410 --> 14:41.110 Nashville at this college he was basically working a lot with foreign 14:41.110 --> 14:45.510 students and different things and maybe looking for opportunities for you know 14:46.190 --> 14:52.510 intelligence intelligence gathering what not I don't know but then one thing 14:52.510 --> 15:01.810 that he told me about was that see he had become aware of the narcotics 15:01.810 --> 15:07.370 trafficking and there was because of his position there was no way that he would 15:07.370 --> 15:16.310 not know about it okay and so he they offered him a huge bribe okay a big 15:17.170 --> 15:24.190 real estate venture in the DC area they offered him parts of seven corners 15:24.190 --> 15:30.390 and Tyson's corners and and he turned them down and which went when I 15:30.390 --> 15:38.810 finally understood that made me very proud okay of my father and and what not 15:38.810 --> 15:47.590 but what this did was it led me on a on a journey okay into you know CIA drugs 15:47.590 --> 15:57.370 and you know the first thing that I did I mean I like books okay so I he said 15:57.370 --> 16:03.850 he was in intelligence and you know so I got you know all the books I could find 16:03.850 --> 16:12.470 about intelligence to understand how intelligence operates and and and what 16:12.470 --> 16:23.270 not and then a friend of mine I was talking a little bit about my little 16:23.270 --> 16:30.130 research into CIA drugs and some of the stuff my daddy said and he looks at me 16:30.130 --> 16:36.290 and he says well you're a conspiracy theorist and this was like in the early 16:36.290 --> 16:43.310 70s and so I I scratch my head and I say well what's a conspiracy theorist and 16:43.310 --> 16:49.730 so I take it on as an intellectual discipline okay and before in college I 16:49.730 --> 16:55.450 done two independence I done an independent study on magic and mysticism 16:55.450 --> 17:02.310 because I well I liked comic books and next to the comic book rack was the 17:02.310 --> 17:07.050 paper book rack and in the paper book rack they were they were having these 17:07.050 --> 17:12.430 books about Edgar Casey and Alistair Crowley and I thought that they were 17:12.430 --> 17:19.310 very interesting at rest in people and and so I took on conspiracy theory as 17:19.310 --> 17:24.830 an intellectual discipline and I'm very glad I did because it's a very very wide 17:24.830 --> 17:32.590 discipline I mean there's lots of things involved in it and and and then the 17:32.590 --> 17:39.290 first thing I learned was that a conspiracy theory doesn't have to be 17:39.290 --> 17:45.950 true to be affected okay because what I you know again like I say I like books 17:45.950 --> 17:51.890 I I like reading and so I went after this guy told me I was a conspiracy 17:51.890 --> 17:58.650 theorist I went to every bookstore I could find you know feminist religious you 17:58.650 --> 18:06.030 know what whatever and I said take me to your conspiracy section and all of them 18:06.030 --> 18:12.390 had at least one book okay and so I gather these books and I'm reading them 18:12.390 --> 18:17.790 and after a while I say wait a minute I've got a book here that blames it all on 18:17.790 --> 18:22.130 the Mormons I got a book that blames it on the Masons I got a book that blames 18:22.130 --> 18:26.310 it on the Jews I got a book that blames it on the Roman Catholics I got a book 18:26.310 --> 18:32.870 that blames it on the secular humanists you know so I said well these 18:32.870 --> 18:38.470 are kind of formula books okay I don't like you you don't like me let's 18:38.470 --> 18:44.090 throw some rocks back and forth okay and and again to you know create great 18:44.090 --> 18:49.870 dissension and you know because you know you read the books about you know 18:49.870 --> 18:55.090 intelligence and and then you get into books about you know propaganda and 18:55.090 --> 19:00.890 psychological warfare and then when you're looking at CIA drugs you've got 19:00.890 --> 19:06.490 CIA drugs you know the narcotics importation and then you have what I 19:06.490 --> 19:13.790 call CIA drugs is dark side the MK ultra stuff which you know you can you can 19:13.790 --> 19:23.730 trace way before the CIA ever ever existed okay and it's like Operation Bluebird 19:23.730 --> 19:30.670 why did they call it Operation Bluebird it was because of Metrolink's play okay 19:30.670 --> 19:35.530 because mind control comes from you know you've got you've got trance 19:35.530 --> 19:39.250 okay and that's the most important thing and everybody 19:40.370 --> 19:47.030 well gets into a trance differently you know some people go really deep some 19:47.870 --> 19:52.630 everybody's different on trance and then you have ritual and role-playing and 19:52.630 --> 20:02.510 trauma and those are your main components of mind control so it you 20:02.510 --> 20:08.090 know there's there's just a lot of things to look at when you're basically you 20:08.090 --> 20:15.030 know trying to figure out how the world really works and and what I you know my 20:15.030 --> 20:19.350 dad said you know there's these secret societies behind it's all a big game 20:19.350 --> 20:26.870 okay and the when I started doing my research you know I could you know 20:26.870 --> 20:30.790 find the books intelligence and the drug running and you end up in bank 20:30.790 --> 20:35.870 old books about banking and all that kind of stuff and the hardest thing for me to 20:35.870 --> 20:42.510 find was stuff about secret societies and I finally I came across professor 20:42.510 --> 20:47.410 Anthony Sutton's book America's Secret Establishment an introduction to the 20:47.410 --> 20:53.430 Order of Skull and Bones in 1988 he'd put it out in 1986 and you know 20:53.430 --> 21:02.710 probably because George H. W. Bush was running for president so it became a bit 21:02.710 --> 21:07.610 of a topic and because I mean it was funny and Anthony you know started 21:07.610 --> 21:13.810 researching it because he had been working at the Hoover Institute at 21:13.810 --> 21:22.050 Stanford and they hired him to write this three volume series about Western 21:22.050 --> 21:29.870 technology and Russian technology and he was all ready to print his third 21:29.870 --> 21:35.470 volume and they said oh no and we don't want you to print that right now and 21:36.370 --> 21:40.650 Anthony couldn't understand that because I mean he was a British citizen 21:40.650 --> 21:47.790 and he'd been a naturalized American you know so and he just didn't 21:47.790 --> 21:51.110 understand that he went around him and printed a book called National 21:51.110 --> 21:59.050 Suicide because what his third volume showed was that the Russians were 21:59.050 --> 22:02.790 backing the North Vietnamese it really it wasn't the Chinese I mean the 22:02.790 --> 22:06.830 Chinese wouldn't even let some of the trains come from Russia with war 22:06.830 --> 22:12.350 material through China to North Vietnam North Vietnam and a bunch of the 22:12.350 --> 22:17.730 war material that was being used to foment that war was being supplied 22:17.730 --> 22:23.090 by factories that were some of them were ordered through Italy but there was 22:23.090 --> 22:29.570 actually American engineers there and blah-to-blah so it was showing that this 22:29.570 --> 22:36.990 war was you know there was people that were like my daddy said they were 22:37.720 --> 22:45.570 playing out a war to lose okay and so he started writing these Wall Street 22:45.570 --> 22:49.230 books Wall Street Hitler Wall Street in the Bolshevik Revolution and Wall 22:49.230 --> 22:55.490 Street in FDR and he put those out there and somebody was reading them and 22:55.490 --> 23:01.950 this lady whose father and grandfather were both members of the Order of 23:01.950 --> 23:10.270 Skull and Bones Charlotte sent Anthony membership list of the Order of 23:10.270 --> 23:16.170 Skull and Bones and he he received he he'd gotten him he had to send him 23:16.170 --> 23:20.430 right back so he put him in a box underneath his desk and he told me he 23:20.430 --> 23:24.790 was kicking that box and he pulled it out one day and looked at me oh well 23:24.790 --> 23:28.250 these were the people that were I was writing about in my Wall Street books 23:28.250 --> 23:36.390 and so that led him into his research and he was trying to trying to talk 23:36.390 --> 23:41.350 about it and I mean he even got a letter back from George Debbie Bush's oh no I'm 23:41.350 --> 23:48.350 not a member any sort of secret society and blah-to-blah-to-blah and and and so 23:48.350 --> 23:57.990 you know I came across that book and I said oh maybe my daddy's not nuts okay 23:57.990 --> 24:04.090 and because I just couldn't get over that thing that you know Communism is 24:04.090 --> 24:10.170 all a sham these same secret societies are behind it it's all a big game okay and 24:10.670 --> 24:15.350 you know then I've come to realize that basically you have a secret societal 24:15.350 --> 24:22.090 system up here your next level is a solid level is sovereign countries okay 24:22.090 --> 24:28.050 and then in between that we have intelligence criminal gangs you know 24:29.570 --> 24:34.010 fraternal organizations religious organizations that are able to you 24:34.010 --> 24:38.230 know use their things to go into the sovereign countries to get them into 24:38.230 --> 24:43.410 position that the secret societies want them to I mean and you know it's not 24:43.410 --> 24:50.070 always they click a lever and it happens but you know that's a basic model and 24:50.070 --> 24:54.830 and how the secret societies have been running the world it's a viathon of 24:54.830 --> 25:01.870 three levels and each level has three parts the top level is mining metal 25:01.870 --> 25:09.450 and money and you think about it and you know if you control the mining where the 25:09.450 --> 25:13.330 metal comes from that the money is based on you're in a good position right and 25:13.810 --> 25:18.210 you know and so what I looked at you know skull and bones they got a lot of 25:18.210 --> 25:28.090 gold mining engineers there and and I had an author who could affect that he 25:28.090 --> 25:32.390 was a mining engineer his daddy was a mining engineer his granddaddy was a 25:32.390 --> 25:40.050 mining engineer his great-granddaddy was a 49er in California part of the Comstock 25:40.050 --> 25:47.550 load an actual president of the Central Pacific so I mean this and and he came 25:47.550 --> 25:51.870 at me with this big book about gold mining real early on when I had started 25:51.870 --> 26:00.470 trying day and I told him I says I I don't think I can publish that I mean I 26:00.470 --> 26:05.790 know nothing about gold mining and you know it's a big big book and so he went 26:05.790 --> 26:11.570 he got it published in Poland and then he came back at me later on with a 26:11.570 --> 26:19.410 smaller book about his great aunt Jane Stanford of Stanford University and how 26:19.410 --> 26:26.450 she'd been murdered and so this bit of a cabal could could could take it over 26:26.450 --> 26:33.750 and I said okay we can do that one and he had even had the backing of a Stanford 26:33.750 --> 26:40.790 professor and this was called calling all angels and so we got it out he was 26:40.790 --> 26:45.670 dead in seven days okay he got run over by a hit-and-run Laurie in London 26:46.310 --> 26:56.590 okay and I mean this guy was you know his his lawyer was William Pepper the same 26:56.590 --> 27:03.370 lawyer for Martin Luther King and and different things but you know that kind 27:03.370 --> 27:09.810 of it's hard to sell a book when the author is not around and to you know 27:09.810 --> 27:19.510 promote it in different things because again I'm on the edges of publishing so 27:20.450 --> 27:24.790 so you got mining metal and money and then in the middle you've got a very 27:24.790 --> 27:32.310 active level and this is drugs guns and oil okay and skull and bones was 27:32.310 --> 27:39.210 started by an opium smuggler and a politician okay William Huntington 27:39.210 --> 27:51.570 Russell of Russell and company and Alonzo Taft okay and drugs creates this you 27:51.570 --> 27:56.030 know opium has been one of the largest commodities on the planet since the 27:56.030 --> 28:02.450 1800s okay and it makes a huge amount of money okay and when it's illegal they 28:02.450 --> 28:07.390 can sell it for six eight times of what it's worth and so it gives them huge 28:07.390 --> 28:16.350 amounts of money which allows them then to corrupt things and then arms you 28:16.350 --> 28:20.630 know what do you do with arms well you make money you create a conflict and 28:20.630 --> 28:28.370 coercion and and all kinds of BS and then oil okay I mean it was the people from 28:28.370 --> 28:34.410 skull and bones okay that sent Drake to Pennsylvania to do the first oil well 28:34.410 --> 28:41.470 and the reason we go to the oil stores because they own it okay so this is a 28:41.470 --> 28:47.070 very active level creates a lot of capital and allows them to control a 28:47.070 --> 28:53.090 lot of things and then where this meets the road it's media they they got to 28:53.090 --> 28:59.170 control the narrative you know and and and then you got a music slash movies 28:59.170 --> 29:03.850 they got to control the culture as much as they can or the culture will bite them 29:03.850 --> 29:09.450 in the butt excuse my language and then quote unquote magic is the last one 29:09.450 --> 29:13.750 okay their ability to hoodwink us to make us think something else is 29:13.750 --> 29:20.530 going on okay and then their preponderance on using mass trauma rituals to keep us 29:20.530 --> 29:29.510 in line okay the JFK assassination at its core and the 9-11 were mass trauma 29:29.510 --> 29:38.730 rituals so where did they learn that that technique well it it's it's grown 29:38.730 --> 29:46.030 up through a long time I mean it's like like I say Operation Bluebird okay in you 29:46.030 --> 29:51.030 know was one of the mind control operations why did they call it that 29:51.030 --> 29:56.770 because Metrolinx play okay because role playing if you look at Metrolinx play 29:56.770 --> 30:03.050 you have all kinds of crazy characters I mean you got milk water you got the 30:03.050 --> 30:12.270 luxury of being a slave you know pages of these just strange characters okay what 30:12.270 --> 30:21.530 is next play well that that has to do with the role playing in mind control and 30:21.530 --> 30:28.610 then where was Metrolinx play first put on it was first put on 1906 in Moscow the 30:28.610 --> 30:39.190 same place where he had Pavlov and the dogs okay and and then see this the secret 30:39.190 --> 30:44.630 societal level there you know you might be a secret society from Germany but 30:44.630 --> 30:50.190 you're going to go ahead and play the German people and get them into a narrative 30:50.190 --> 30:57.290 that's you know a counter to what it would be good for Germany because it 30:57.290 --> 31:02.250 helps with the overall narrative that they're trying to use to quote unquote 31:02.250 --> 31:14.730 control things here and now where did they learn learn these things it comes 31:14.730 --> 31:26.450 out of centuries of elite control of using mechanisms of to Buffalo the 31:26.450 --> 31:33.790 population okay one thing you know when I look at it very hard you have you have 31:34.490 --> 31:43.150 like priest okay priest we're able to figure out very early on okay if I make 31:43.150 --> 31:47.390 some smoke come out of that hole over there on the side of the hill okay 31:47.390 --> 31:51.190 these people gonna you know they're gonna bring me food they're gonna even 31:51.190 --> 31:55.170 you know give me shelter bring me clothes even even bring me their 31:55.170 --> 32:02.270 children okay so the priests are using their knowledge to Buffalo the people to 32:02.270 --> 32:09.510 get what they want right okay then you have pirates okay if you were a seafaring 32:10.290 --> 32:19.010 civilization and you were going to the landlubbers you your knowledge was was 32:19.010 --> 32:24.770 superior to the landlubbers that again you use your knowledge to Buffalo those 32:24.770 --> 32:32.230 people to get what you want okay same with kind of politicians okay so you have 32:32.230 --> 32:38.650 this group of people that have have have grown up you know through time have 32:39.150 --> 32:50.950 have sophisticated their techniques of control okay through oh well you don't 32:50.950 --> 32:57.030 have a I mean the the Cimmerians you know in those temples they had all these big 32:57.030 --> 33:04.770 things of telling that the people how much money they owed okay and different 33:04.770 --> 33:13.290 things and so again through time the elites have created these methods of control 33:14.070 --> 33:25.790 so it's and and you know and it's very I've been doing a round table with the Fitzgerald family of 33:25.790 --> 33:34.170 John Fitzgerald Kenned and one thing that we've discovered there is that you know there there 33:34.170 --> 33:40.470 are ducks that were put in a row before the Kennedy was even elected okay because 33:40.470 --> 33:48.630 there's this big overarching narrative and and quasi mystical control 33:51.770 --> 33:58.910 there's a Alice Bailey she wrote a book she's out of the theosophy and she wrote a book called 33:58.910 --> 34:05.350 externalization of the hierarchy in the in the 20s and came out through the Lucifer press 34:05.350 --> 34:13.990 and she talks about how this hierarchy needs to be in place by 2025 okay and that's how come we've had 34:13.990 --> 34:23.330 you know these you know Trump and and Musk and the Technate and you know a new world order through 34:23.330 --> 34:28.680 you know they kept telling us that the left was going to take all our gun guns and they're 34:28.680 --> 34:35.700 making us all commies and blah blah blah but you know they're trying to impose control 34:37.300 --> 34:49.740 through political means yeah yeah did you spend a lot of time down the rabbit hole yeah 34:49.740 --> 35:02.980 but I was thinking so let's just give you an example um the guy Russell who found who 35:02.980 --> 35:10.540 co-founded skull and bones uh what was his first name William William Huntington Russell 35:10.540 --> 35:20.120 okay so William Huntington Russell um presumably he was a relative of the um 35:21.080 --> 35:28.480 of the Russells in England the the Earl of Bedford and could be I you know I I really 35:28.480 --> 35:34.080 haven't looked at that but I I wouldn't be uh you know I'm sure they have some relation 35:34.080 --> 35:41.120 somewhere I suppose what I'm saying is that the world's problems did not begin in 1833 35:41.820 --> 35:48.400 with the foundation of skull and bones so people like Russell who I mean I was fascinated to read 35:48.400 --> 35:53.760 in your book about the origins of skull and bones and about the opium trade and how Russell 35:54.480 --> 35:59.440 was that I mean obviously the bulk of the opium trade was carried out by the British 35:59.440 --> 36:06.480 Jardine Matheson but Russell had the brunt of the American trade so he made his fortune out of 36:06.480 --> 36:14.200 opium trading but his his bloodline let's say must have gone way back I mean his family must have 36:14.200 --> 36:22.320 been doing evil way before he made his money um as an opium trader well you know um uh could be 36:22.320 --> 36:34.300 I mean you know I I you know I I I don't really I you know I don't know if if I consider these people 36:35.080 --> 36:44.800 evil I consider them doing bad things okay uh that lead lead to evil outcomes right okay but 36:44.800 --> 36:52.000 you know I mean that that's just that's just semantics but uh yes there there is a you know a 36:52.000 --> 36:58.420 question of you know these different bloodlines and and and different things and and you know 36:58.420 --> 37:06.580 having um again I mean I I've had this a debate with people about whether you know now it 37:07.160 --> 37:16.420 is are the secret societies a um manifestation of the elite control okay or you know what what is 37:16.420 --> 37:25.760 their relationship is is are we just dealing with uh you know uh a class warfare okay or are we 37:25.760 --> 37:34.520 dealing with the imposition of control from above and and so you know how do how does that 37:34.520 --> 37:42.180 happen I mean are you know are people you know meeting in secret around a candle and and saying okay 37:42.180 --> 37:50.060 we're going to to do this or are they doing it through you know um uh you might almost say 37:50.060 --> 37:58.180 mechanical means and economic means of of of imposing uh this control because now one thing 37:58.180 --> 38:04.840 when when you look at the secret societal side one thing that the secret societies have you know 38:05.820 --> 38:15.640 talked about is that they have a a a a ledger several ledgers okay that that that go back you 38:15.640 --> 38:24.400 know hundreds of years okay that that track economic political astrological and different 38:24.400 --> 38:33.400 things so you have a a a a real you know track record of saying okay well if we do this blah 38:33.400 --> 38:40.040 to blah to blah to blah this is this is going to happen uh we we did a book uh by a gentleman out 38:40.040 --> 38:46.640 of belgium and and what they found there that the it's uh it's based on a uh state police 38:46.640 --> 38:54.600 reported in belgium where um they uh you know put somebody into one of these secret societies 38:54.600 --> 39:01.820 any any rows on up and rows on up and what he found out at the top okay was there was a whole 39:01.820 --> 39:09.920 bunch of organizations all called the order okay and and but you had different flavors 39:09.920 --> 39:16.820 okay you had you know uh muslim ones uh you know jewish ones christian ones gay one you know different 39:16.820 --> 39:24.080 different flavors uh up there and then you know i mean how would how would how would these secret 39:24.080 --> 39:31.140 societies operate well um you know i call them circles and say you've got a circle over here 39:31.140 --> 39:36.400 and you've got a circle over here well well through time you know uh and and this circle 39:36.400 --> 39:41.980 might have been created as an opposition to the to this religion over here blah to blah to blah 39:41.980 --> 39:48.100 but they come aware of each other okay and they say okay what are we going to do uh you know we 39:48.100 --> 39:56.880 could fight each other or who is our common enemy our common enemy is the people global warming 39:57.440 --> 40:05.060 is a massive con there was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change 40:05.060 --> 40:11.140 is a problem that is going to kill us that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it 40:11.140 --> 40:18.840 it's a non-existent problem but how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends well i've 40:18.840 --> 40:26.960 just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book watermelons which captures the 40:26.960 --> 40:35.420 story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to 40:35.420 --> 40:43.440 fleece you to take away your freedoms to take away your land it's a shocking story i wrote it as i 40:43.440 --> 40:51.360 say in the well 2011 actually the first edition came out and it's a snapshot of a particular era 40:51.360 --> 40:59.980 the era when the people behind the time climate change scan got caught red-handed tinkering with the 40:59.980 --> 41:07.260 data torturing till it screamed in a scandal that i helped christen climate gate so i give you the 41:07.260 --> 41:12.440 background to to the sculled jugglery that went on in in these seats of learning where 41:12.440 --> 41:19.780 these supposed experts were informing us we've got to act now i rumbled their their scan i then 41:19.780 --> 41:27.720 asked the question okay if it is a scan who's doing this and and why it's a good story i i've 41:27.720 --> 41:34.640 kept the the original book pretty much as is but i've written two new chapters one at the beginning 41:34.640 --> 41:41.940 and one the end explaining how it's even worse than we thought i think it's a i think it still 41:41.940 --> 41:46.500 stands up i think it's it's a good read i obviously i'm biased but i'd recommend it you 41:46.500 --> 41:53.160 can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop you'll probably find that might just go 41:53.160 --> 42:01.320 get to my website and look for it jamesdellingpole.co.uk and i hope it helps keep you informed and gives 42:01.320 --> 42:08.160 you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that oh it's 42:08.160 --> 42:14.060 a disaster we must amend our ways and appease the gods appease mother god no we don't it's a scam 42:18.080 --> 42:24.040 okay you had you know muslim ones you know jewish ones christian ones gay one you know 42:24.040 --> 42:31.080 different different flavors up there and then you know i mean how would how would how would these 42:31.080 --> 42:38.560 secret societies operate well you know i call them circles and say you've got a circle over 42:38.560 --> 42:44.040 here and you've got a circle over here well well through time you know and and this circle 42:44.040 --> 42:49.500 might have been created as an opposition to the to this religion over here blah blah blah 42:49.500 --> 42:55.900 but they come aware of each other okay and they say okay what are we gonna do uh you know we're gonna 42:55.900 --> 43:03.500 fight each other or who is our common enemy our common enemy is the people okay and so and so 43:03.500 --> 43:09.320 these circles then say well how am i gonna try so they say well okay i'm gonna have some people 43:09.320 --> 43:16.020 from your circle join my circle you know for whenever we get together and different things 43:16.020 --> 43:20.380 okay so you're gonna have you're gonna have interlocking circles and then you're generally 43:20.380 --> 43:28.860 gonna have say quote unquote a council above that okay uh type type thing and and then you're 43:28.860 --> 43:34.880 gonna have you know people that are brought in uh that are gonna try and use some of the 43:34.880 --> 43:40.700 techniques that they're using for their own personal gain and and other things like that so 43:40.700 --> 43:49.100 you know it gets a little bit messy okay but basically what what you can track down is is the 43:49.100 --> 43:58.840 secret society is basically based in Europe with some side partners in the orient okay because 43:58.840 --> 44:04.120 just as these people in the west were getting very rich from selling opium and other things 44:04.120 --> 44:10.100 there was people in in the in the orient they were also getting rich and i mean you think there's 44:10.100 --> 44:19.960 any secret societies in china okay yeah and so and so you know again it gets down to the question of 44:20.520 --> 44:27.780 how does the world really work okay is is it is it you know what we've been trying to do here 44:27.780 --> 44:35.620 in the united states of government of and buying for the people okay and you know we we also we just 44:35.620 --> 44:43.360 did a book recently called uh two world wars and hitler i love it isn't that a great book it's a 44:43.360 --> 44:49.740 fantastic i i keep wanting to get the authors on this podcast doesn't that be good yes yes yes 44:49.740 --> 44:58.520 we can we can uh work work to to get that done but uh you know because again you know i i i wrote 44:58.520 --> 45:03.860 lots of books on on banking and stuff and i've read lots of books on the world wars and hitler 45:03.860 --> 45:10.180 and whatnot but that book just really puts it together into a way uh that we can understand 45:10.180 --> 45:20.460 the profidity okay uh that these elite classes are are are doing you know i mean i i i you know it's 45:20.460 --> 45:27.780 basically two scottish scientists you know taking on british historians yes okay and and you know 45:27.780 --> 45:35.600 because historians construct okay historians construct their history from documents and 45:35.600 --> 45:43.200 and different things and and scientists you know they well does this does this does this really 45:43.200 --> 45:51.060 work out i mean is the thesis correct and so i i really enjoyed putting that book together and 45:51.060 --> 45:57.480 enjoyed reading and i think it's a great book sold well it is doing it is doing well i mean it 45:57.480 --> 46:04.740 isn't you know uh smashing the doors down but it it's it's doing well and and steady i mean 46:05.460 --> 46:11.740 you know i mean the whole media landscape you know i mean we're in a period of 46:14.040 --> 46:21.540 change there's we as we as a people all together have a fail-safe device so we just don't go 46:21.540 --> 46:29.740 running off the cliffs okay and humanity's gone okay and and the first fail-safe device is basically 46:29.740 --> 46:37.640 known to us as as a dialectic okay and uh you know and i say some things that that i know are true 46:38.260 --> 46:45.320 about secret societies intelligence agencies and drug running okay and then i find somebody 46:45.320 --> 46:52.880 that i know is a spook okay that that says stuff a little he says some of the same stuff but put some 46:52.880 --> 47:00.560 lies in there okay makes it more outrageous because by controlling the extremes you control the middle 47:01.080 --> 47:08.360 okay so that's why you've got all these wild things out on on on on the ends okay it's 47:08.360 --> 47:15.880 part of a control mechanism but at the next fail-safe device that we have is a cycle of generations 47:16.500 --> 47:23.940 okay there's a very good book called generations a history of america's future okay and these are 47:23.940 --> 47:29.400 the same people that put out the book fourth turning okay because you basically you have an 47:29.400 --> 47:35.460 idealistic group and then you have a reactive group and then you have a civics group and then 47:35.460 --> 47:43.540 you have a group that recombines it all and then you start all over again okay well in this book 47:43.540 --> 47:49.340 and you know and this moves history forward in this book they show how the kids that were teens 47:49.340 --> 47:56.480 and pre-teens in the 1860s okay didn't cohere as a generation uh they you know some of them 47:56.480 --> 48:00.240 joined the generation after some of them joined the generation before some of them just went 48:00.240 --> 48:08.120 off in the woods and did weird stuff okay and uh so why did that happen well it happened because 48:08.120 --> 48:18.580 of war the assassination of a president and um drugs okay opium the the soldier's disease 48:19.200 --> 48:26.580 okay oh what was it was opium a problem in the west as well uh yes especially you know 48:26.580 --> 48:33.340 after the soldiers came home and and they were affirmed and and and different things and so and and 48:33.340 --> 48:40.880 so uh what this does is is you have a a four-cycle engine that's only running on three cycles and 48:40.880 --> 48:48.440 and it makes our our polity um uh you know less less strong and it allows and it allows 48:48.440 --> 48:55.340 for people in the shadows to come in and affect it okay and so um one of the first 48:55.340 --> 49:03.180 things skull and bones did was to take over the education system but then uh because of the second 49:03.180 --> 49:11.180 opium war when opium became legal okay and the smugglers lost their cash cow okay i mean they 49:11.180 --> 49:18.120 developed the opium clipper going up and down the coast and everything and and and so uh after 49:18.120 --> 49:23.000 the second opium war uh it took a little while people to figure out wait a minute i don't need 49:23.000 --> 49:28.820 you smugglers hey india send me a boatload you know i'll pay the duty this is when the sassoons 49:28.820 --> 49:37.240 started to to make their their money okay so what did uh the quote unquote powers that they do 49:37.240 --> 49:45.960 okay well they uh fomented the spanish-american war okay through false flag and yellow journalism 49:45.960 --> 49:55.440 okay um and well it's a bit of a bit of a story but uh teddy roosevelt was under secretary of navy 49:55.440 --> 50:01.780 okay and the secretary navy had gout and he went home early one day and teddy stepped up to the 50:01.780 --> 50:07.120 desk and sent off some missives and secretary navy came back and said teddy what did you do 50:07.120 --> 50:16.220 and he never left early again and and um so they got you know remember the main the main blew up 50:17.180 --> 50:24.220 and they got war declared well we didn't go to cuba right away i mean teddy got to quit his job and 50:24.220 --> 50:29.780 and go get some of his friends and get together a thing and and run up san juan hill but we took 50:29.780 --> 50:34.700 the philippines right away that's what teddy had done he'd sent a missive off to parry and says 50:35.050 --> 50:43.420 go go down to manila okay and why why that because manila is the oldest western port in the far east 50:43.420 --> 50:48.820 okay and these smugglers you know during the day they didn't call themselves smugglers they were 50:48.820 --> 50:57.940 china traders and uh but they always had a back office in in in manila and so uh they sent out 50:57.940 --> 51:05.860 arthur macarthur as the first uh military governor and uh do a horrific war there mark twain got himself 51:05.860 --> 51:11.320 a lot of trouble talking about it we raped and pillaged and and did all kinds of terrible things 51:11.860 --> 51:20.420 and then uh they sent out william howard tap the son of the founder of skull and bones and 51:20.420 --> 51:28.660 member of the order of skull and bones to uh the philippines and mckinley asked him to be on the 51:28.660 --> 51:33.920 supreme court and he said no roosevelt became president and roosevelt were heavily involved in 51:33.920 --> 51:41.600 the drug trade um they were ship captains and owned ships and actually delano uh war and delano 51:41.600 --> 51:47.140 franklin's grandfather was a chief factor for rustle and company for 20 years in canton 51:47.140 --> 51:53.480 and actually came back lost money and lost his fortune in a in a panic went back and made another 51:53.480 --> 52:12.560 fortune and so um uh they uh with this oh okay so so so then then taft uh finally finally 52:12.560 --> 52:19.640 roosevelt asked taft to be on the supreme court and taft said no and then then roosevelt asked him 52:19.640 --> 52:25.040 to be secretary war and he said okay my dad he'd been secretary war i'll be secretary war and he 52:25.040 --> 52:31.240 came back and you look at the historical record what'd he do he made opium illegal for the first 52:31.240 --> 52:37.400 time in modern asian the philippines which means you need smugglers again and then he started the 52:37.400 --> 52:45.420 haig and the shanghai convention which gave us a prohibition of cannabis coca and opium okay again 52:45.420 --> 52:52.940 which allows people in the shadows to sell plants for more than gold and some of these plants in 52:52.940 --> 52:59.200 the right places you can grow three times a year right so it gives them this prohibition of 52:59.200 --> 53:05.140 drugs is all was was essentially so that the drugs traders could make a bigger profit 53:06.020 --> 53:13.940 yeah yeah yeah yeah and it gives them some quote unquote social control okay mechanisms through 53:13.940 --> 53:24.620 through uh police and and and things like that so uh before we go on yes can i just just pause you um 53:25.380 --> 53:33.340 have we got time to have you got time to give me a sort of brief overview on the vietnam war and 53:33.340 --> 53:39.780 why it was about drugs because i understood that the french when it was indochina the french and 53:39.780 --> 53:47.980 the korsican mafia basically controlled the drugs trade and then america moved in basically to to 53:47.980 --> 53:54.880 take over the heroin trade is that right uh that's uh that's a lot of it that and you know some uh 53:54.880 --> 54:00.560 geopolitical reasons but what one of the main reasons was uh the drug i mean you could you could 54:00.560 --> 54:07.760 follow the american military around okay uh you know we took we took the golden triangle i mean 54:07.760 --> 54:13.620 it was very interesting reading around about the drug trade because a lot of the um 54:15.120 --> 54:23.140 no legitimate uh information stopped in the 1930s okay but the balkans okay were always 54:23.140 --> 54:32.900 generally number three okay three or four uh a supplier of of opium okay and so you know uh 54:32.900 --> 54:40.320 we went there and then you know we went of course to uh the golden crescent okay uh afghanistan and 54:40.320 --> 54:47.780 whatnot uh to influence that that drug trade so and and again one thing that we find is that just 54:47.780 --> 54:53.740 like uh oh the mafia found out that if you had a house ill repute and you had some girls in there 54:53.740 --> 55:00.680 if you left the same girls in there over and over uh the the trade went down so you had to move the 55:00.680 --> 55:07.860 girls around well they they moved the drug trade around to okay uh to to uh to different to 55:07.860 --> 55:15.060 different points but then uh to go back to this cycle of generations okay um the powers would be 55:15.060 --> 55:22.700 tried again okay because they were very successful in that you know the people in the 1860s the teens 55:22.700 --> 55:28.960 and pre-teens and and then being able to affect uh our future because you know once they did the 55:28.960 --> 55:35.860 spanish-american war okay they got their hooks very much into the u.s government uh they were 55:35.860 --> 55:41.980 able then to take us to well let's get them into an income tax oh and then let's get them into 55:41.980 --> 55:46.900 fake money oh and then what are we going to do well you need to get them into debt so you have 55:46.900 --> 55:54.240 world war one um then you have world war two and see and then you have every 20 years okay you 55:54.240 --> 56:00.620 have a war so it's uh what did your daddy do in the war son so they're you know creating creating 56:00.620 --> 56:10.060 this this this type of uh of thing and uh uh so it it just continues to to go on so 56:10.840 --> 56:17.080 they were looking at the teens kids that were going to be teens and pre-teens in the 1960s 56:17.080 --> 56:22.980 okay and and and again this was going to be an idealistic group so they wanted the kids that 56:22.980 --> 56:30.360 were teens and pre-teens in the 1960s um to not cohere to not come together as a generation 56:30.360 --> 56:39.040 again uh and you can trace this operation um and they had to have three things in place by 1950 56:39.040 --> 56:44.880 to do this they had to have the modern education system and this was brought to us directly 56:44.880 --> 56:51.400 through the masons okay uh and then they had to have a nascent drug culture and then they 56:51.400 --> 56:57.840 had to have television okay and television not just television but television that goes 56:57.840 --> 57:03.360 at 60 cycles a second there's a little flicker in there you read any book about hypnosis it'll 57:03.360 --> 57:09.860 tell you that a 60-second flicker will put you into a trance okay so um 57:11.260 --> 57:17.020 they targeted us teens and and pre-teens in the 1960s because they didn't want us to cohere 57:17.020 --> 57:23.940 but we we did cohere we cohere it as hippies around a joint being smoked around in a circle 57:23.940 --> 57:31.560 with a little bit of lsd thrown in okay because with lsd yeah you can make people wear white sheets 57:31.560 --> 57:36.480 and you can disrupt but you can't control people like you can with opium i mean opium has a very 57:36.480 --> 57:44.280 simple um you know here kid you want some oh you want some more oh how about your friends 57:44.280 --> 57:51.740 okay i mean it has a very simple dynamic okay but and then so what then what came out of the 57:51.740 --> 57:56.380 hippies uh history channel had to do a big two hour special they said what came out of the hippies 57:56.380 --> 58:04.980 was the personal computer and the internet okay and those are the tools that all of us are using 58:04.980 --> 58:14.020 to fight the corruption of people using secrecy to lie cheat and steal okay because the personal 58:14.020 --> 58:24.160 computer allows me to be a publisher okay and the internet allows me to tell people about it okay so 58:24.160 --> 58:33.500 that's the dynamic and and now we have ai okay and and you know ai isn't isn't evil in itself 58:33.500 --> 58:42.240 it's just a thing just like anything it depends on what people do with it yeah yeah so does that 58:42.240 --> 58:54.840 mean you're sounding almost optimistic that are you saying sorry but what you seem to be saying is that 58:54.840 --> 59:01.600 despite the best played land the best play the best laid plans of these people who aren't evil 59:01.600 --> 59:10.720 but do evil uh they they founder on the rocks of i don't know human nature that we have 59:10.720 --> 59:18.580 something within us which is resistant to these schemes yes yes i i i'm very hopeful i i i think that 59:18.580 --> 59:25.860 that you know uh again you know the book fourth turning okay by these same people that did generations 59:25.860 --> 59:32.400 is very very interesting and what basically what fourth turning says is is after you have so many 59:32.400 --> 59:40.100 of these um you know generational movements you come to a place where there's a 59:40.100 --> 59:51.180 a paradigm shift okay and and and the people that you know it it's hard to to to run in place 59:51.180 --> 59:59.960 during a paradigm shift okay things things are going to change okay so um uh the the 59:59.960 --> 01:00:07.400 quarter and court powers that be are trying every darn game that they can okay so that 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.880 once this paradigm shift you know continues to happen that they'll be it's still in control 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:23.660 okay and and i i'm i'm really hopeful that i think that the lengths okay and the lies 01:00:24.350 --> 01:00:28.440 uh and you know and the buffalowing that they've had they're having to do 01:00:29.100 --> 01:00:38.160 okay is really exposing themselves explode exposing their profidity and i truly you know 01:00:38.830 --> 01:00:45.580 i mean right now you've got you can have a goat herder in kenya 01:00:46.150 --> 01:00:54.660 you know watching actually this on his iphone okay so so so i like that goat herder i respect 01:00:55.640 --> 01:01:03.440 hey a big shout out to you kenyan goat herder or masai cattle farmer whatever you are 01:01:04.200 --> 01:01:10.060 right right so so you know we we've got we definitely have the opportunity 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:19.520 okay to have a wonderful change here towards government oven buying for the people 01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:27.420 for the whole i mean we we do all live on just one planet don't we i mean we we we've had 01:01:27.420 --> 01:01:33.320 things go up there and look back down on it so we know that we're just one planet okay 01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:39.180 i don't believe in all the other planets if that's what you're asking me i don't believe in i 01:01:39.180 --> 01:01:49.340 don't believe in outer space it's just bullshit well okay well there's there's been things floating 01:01:49.340 --> 01:01:59.480 around out there for for quite a while but you know yeah so so you know i i am very hopeful 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.900 because i i do think that you know um 01:02:04.820 --> 01:02:12.220 there is yeah i really think that there's enough information out there that we can you know figure 01:02:12.220 --> 01:02:29.460 out who's quote unquote lying to us and and who has our best interest you know and well do you 01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:38.540 part from us i mean i mean at the senior level uh yes yes yes i i i yes i i do believe so because i 01:02:38.540 --> 01:02:49.300 have gotten uh help out of out of the shadows okay yeah yeah and the illuminati well you know from uh 01:02:50.260 --> 01:02:56.780 early on you know we were talking you know uh doing books about ci drugs and different things and and 01:02:59.460 --> 01:03:07.780 we would be talking to like uh old spooks and military people okay because a lot of times these 01:03:07.780 --> 01:03:14.280 people wouldn't figure out what they were doing for you know 10 20 years okay because it was it's 01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:21.700 very compartmentalized okay and and once they figure out what they're doing you know and a lot 01:03:21.700 --> 01:03:27.520 of them didn't didn't like it when they when they figured it out and so i know that you know 01:03:27.520 --> 01:03:33.740 there were people that you know i mean i had somebody try to stop a book at the at the printer 01:03:34.580 --> 01:03:40.100 and and these guys told these people listen these guys are just writing books okay you know 01:03:40.100 --> 01:03:47.120 we got some stories we could really tell you just just leave these people alone okay and and i got 01:03:47.620 --> 01:03:53.080 you know i got communicate matter of fact i i met with a gentleman who was a uh 01:03:53.080 --> 01:04:05.900 uh what do you call him seal team uh uh trainer okay and they were getting very very upset this is 01:04:05.900 --> 01:04:12.000 probably oh not quite 10 years ago but they were getting very upset because they were seeing how 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:21.580 they were being used and abused okay and because they didn't play boo well they they were they 01:04:21.580 --> 01:04:29.160 were trying to demand you know changes and and and and different things and you know i mean this one 01:04:29.160 --> 01:04:36.160 guy told me about he says yeah we got this uh gun you know it'll uh sniper rifle it'll it'll it'll 01:04:36.160 --> 01:04:44.140 shoot a mile away accurate and there's a camera in the head of the bullet okay so the people back 01:04:44.140 --> 01:04:53.740 wherever can can can watch the action happen okay so um you know there's there's a lot of 01:04:54.960 --> 01:05:02.940 moving parts that that the quote unquote uh powers that be have got to have got to keep in place 01:05:03.500 --> 01:05:11.040 okay to keep their stuff going and you know i'm i'm i'm a big fan of sovereign nations 01:05:11.040 --> 01:05:20.460 i'm a big fan of sovereign money okay um and there's a a lot of things that you know they're 01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:27.840 oh like covid yeah there was a lot of hinky things done with covid but it basically 01:05:28.450 --> 01:05:41.940 it came out of bio warfare and they they used the covid to again divide and radicalize people 01:05:41.940 --> 01:05:51.620 along wrong lines okay it from from what i've looked at what do you mean by along the wrong lines 01:05:51.620 --> 01:06:04.700 well public health is is is a real thing okay pandemics are a real thing okay and you know uh 01:06:05.860 --> 01:06:13.680 if what i've learned through uh intelligence people is that it basically started with a 01:06:14.580 --> 01:06:25.600 factory that was uh blew up in in in russia in september okay and it was this was a bio weapon 01:06:25.600 --> 01:06:33.640 that was basically mostly designed uh against oriental folk and that's one reason why uh 01:06:37.140 --> 01:06:43.860 Russia uh why china went really nuts on it and see and it didn't come back to to russia until 01:06:43.860 --> 01:06:48.980 somebody from there went to italy and came back and that's when you know you had all the ambulances 01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:56.820 running around moscow and different things but it's just uh it was it was used as a psychological 01:06:56.820 --> 01:07:06.280 warfare uh weapon a lot okay to to create uh havoc and and to uh divide the population 01:07:06.940 --> 01:07:15.080 but it that i mean that wouldn't be certainly wouldn't be my take or the take of a lot of my 01:07:15.080 --> 01:07:21.140 listeners and viewers i suspect i mean i i think yeah i understand that i understand that and i've 01:07:21.140 --> 01:07:28.080 i've gotten a lot of flak from from not jumping on the quote unquote uh pandemic bus yeah yeah okay 01:07:28.080 --> 01:07:36.280 but you know i mean i i've i've been in conspiracy theory land for lord have mercy over 50 years okay 01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:45.480 and i i've seen a lot of buses come and go okay and you know uh there there's a lot of reasons 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:57.340 why people use conspiracy theory okay to radicalize and to uh it as divisive factors and you know it's 01:07:57.340 --> 01:08:03.420 it's a lot of times uh fighting an uphill battle because you know people gonna believe what they 01:08:03.420 --> 01:08:10.560 gonna believe you know and and whatnot they are i was gonna ask you i mean you you you cited 01:08:10.560 --> 01:08:16.780 somebody who's on a seal team but i i wasn't really talking about that level i mean seal teams okay 01:08:17.420 --> 01:08:22.440 have a well-trained they are they're still basically grunts of the elites they're not 01:08:22.440 --> 01:08:28.920 that they're not they're not the powers to be i suppose i'm what i'm talking about is is there 01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:40.900 anyone on the level of uh no peter teal bad bad guy um Elon musk bad guy trump fastest international 01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:48.900 they're basically represent the fastest international yeah i i mean all these public figures built 01:08:48.900 --> 01:08:58.280 i mean jeffrey epstein they're all there's no good guys among them name me somebody 01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:03.780 well i suppose you can't name them because they probably get offed but is there anyone at that 01:09:03.780 --> 01:09:13.000 level at the illuminati level are they are the goodie illuminati or not surely not uh you know um 01:09:15.040 --> 01:09:23.240 i i don't know i mean they don't invite me to their meetings okay but uh you know i mean 01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:31.340 they they use a lot of blackmail okay so if they're using a lot of blackmail uh that means 01:09:31.340 --> 01:09:37.680 that they're they have a bunch of unwilling uh participants okay i mean you know i mean 01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:42.800 there's situations where i see where you know uh some of the rules for some secret societies 01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:48.400 if you want to join them you have to give them blackmailable material so that you can 01:09:48.400 --> 01:09:56.880 you know go to their parties okay so uh i i don't know i mean that's a 01:09:58.180 --> 01:10:05.380 yeah but i i do think that there's good people in the shadows too i i do i i don't think everybody 01:10:05.380 --> 01:10:12.240 is a uh uh downright evil uh you know acting person i mean it's like you know you talk to 01:10:12.240 --> 01:10:20.160 people that uh are assassins okay or are involved with killing people and talk about you know 01:10:21.060 --> 01:10:28.360 your first one's hard your second one gets easier your third you know so you know it 01:10:29.160 --> 01:10:36.940 how does a person acclimatize themselves to evil how how how does a person you know uh 01:10:36.940 --> 01:10:43.300 sit around and watch a snuff film okay uh i mean how does somebody sit around 01:10:43.300 --> 01:10:52.900 when a snuff film is being made okay so um there's there's many many ways to quote unquote 01:10:53.420 --> 01:11:02.440 meet the devil okay and then i guess it depends on how how much of the hooks that they get into 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:14.180 but yeah yeah but you're talking about a class of people who we know that i mean you must know this 01:11:14.180 --> 01:11:23.360 unless i'm wrong they tend to get sexually abused by their families so often before the age of three 01:11:23.360 --> 01:11:27.420 but when they're most vulnerable and to get to create the sort of the fractured mind and stuff 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:35.680 right strange that psychopathy is is sort of bred into them right they live in a value system where 01:11:36.540 --> 01:11:46.440 doing doing bad things is is is a bit like a christian helping a beggar or or or um you know 01:11:46.440 --> 01:11:55.380 helping the poor and and and and fatherless um that that they believe in this kind of 01:11:56.240 --> 01:12:03.460 system where they have to tell you what they're doing in order to absolve themselves of of of karmic 01:12:03.460 --> 01:12:09.580 guilt they have all these codes but they're so bound up in the system okay i can agree with you when 01:12:09.580 --> 01:12:15.060 you say they're not fundamentally evil themselves because after all we're all created in god's image 01:12:15.060 --> 01:12:19.720 but what they do and what they've been trained to do is evil so they they're not like the killer 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:23.060 on his first mission they're like the killer on his 60th mission 01:12:26.100 --> 01:12:34.140 yeah i i mean it you know let's you know there there's a you know intellectual 01:12:35.660 --> 01:12:41.140 thing that that you can do you know you try and put yourself in in in somebody else's 01:12:41.140 --> 01:12:47.220 shoes and different things i mean there's a a couple things i like to uh one i like to do is 01:12:47.220 --> 01:12:54.120 it's called the the cat bird seat okay and you imagine okay so there is this thing called the 01:12:54.120 --> 01:13:00.500 illuminati or whatever it is and and you know there's these people okay and if you it if you 01:13:00.500 --> 01:13:06.560 are ahead of this okay and you had all these capabilities what would you do how how how 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:14.700 would you operate okay and so then the other thing is is is can't you know 01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:24.800 this this mind control technique okay where they you know sexually abuse uh you know babies 01:13:25.500 --> 01:13:33.460 children okay to turn them into willing uh participants okay now i've been up against 01:13:33.460 --> 01:13:45.200 directly okay in in in cia drugs okay because uh the cia drugs community is is a small research 01:13:45.200 --> 01:13:51.500 community okay and and we were uh you know when the internet first came around this was something 01:13:51.500 --> 01:13:55.220 new and it was a place where we could talk about it because it wasn't something that was 01:13:55.220 --> 01:14:02.080 really talked about very much okay and so uh we created a community there and had a bunch of 01:14:02.080 --> 01:14:10.200 authors you know on an email list and and was was doing things and i got a watch in there a gentleman 01:14:10.200 --> 01:14:17.360 by the name of michael rupert okay uh become you know a big leader in it okay and basically you know 01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:25.260 how was he set up as a leader well the cia sent their uh head honcho to la and and had a press 01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:35.540 conference and and rupert interrupted and saying you know uh stuff about it and so uh and so we were 01:14:35.540 --> 01:14:42.920 we were going i was having a cia drugs symposiums and and different things and and uh daniel hobserker 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:48.040 was in that group too and he started seeing something hinky there i didn't quite under 01:14:48.040 --> 01:14:51.800 understand it and but then 01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:59.160 you know he started saying well you know you can't invite this person you can't invite that person 01:14:59.160 --> 01:15:06.500 you know and uh i listened to him some and i'm glad i invited other people but and then later on 01:15:06.500 --> 01:15:14.280 okay it it when nine eleven happened okay uh we were a bunch of people that were used to 01:15:14.280 --> 01:15:19.040 you know deconstructing government lies and so when nine eleven happened the first word thing 01:15:19.040 --> 01:15:27.280 that went out was okay everybody turn on your your vcrs okay so right right so i so i gotta watch 01:15:27.280 --> 01:15:34.980 rupert you know uh you know the pivot from from uh cia drugs to to nine eleven and and he wrote 01:15:34.980 --> 01:15:41.040 across the rubicon and became a you know very big guy in the nine eleven uh truth movement and 01:15:41.040 --> 01:15:48.820 whatnot and then all of a sudden you know he he goes to to russia okay for for three weeks for 01:15:48.820 --> 01:15:56.760 an economic conference okay and he comes back from there and and uh we have this big first nine 01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:03.900 eleven conference in san francisco and he starts reporting that well nine eleven we can't change 01:16:03.900 --> 01:16:11.500 anything there it's just rearranging the the the decks uh you know the the chairs on the deck of 01:16:11.500 --> 01:16:19.540 the titanic uh but we need to do he does what i call the conspiracy two step tango it takes us to 01:16:19.540 --> 01:16:28.000 peak oil okay which is just a bullshit yeah use my language uh conspiracy theory and so you know 01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:38.060 i i dug into it and you know i i he went through the mind control training as a kid okay and to be 01:16:38.060 --> 01:16:46.760 able to be used in in in this situation and he brought another person uh to this uh uh community 01:16:47.420 --> 01:16:54.420 who at the time would talk about her mind control training as a young kid okay and this was 01:16:54.420 --> 01:17:00.760 catherine austin fits she doesn't like to talk about it these days okay but but you know that's 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:08.100 how she got on to the board of dylan reid okay and see another another aspect of the mind control 01:17:08.100 --> 01:17:19.020 training um uh ups the intelligence level of of of the subject okay and and you know uh when i 01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:23.500 when i first met catherine you know she would talk about it and if you you know she wanted you 01:17:23.500 --> 01:17:30.620 to watch some particular movies before she talked about it much but and and it's and it's you know it's 01:17:30.620 --> 01:17:37.660 it wasn't something that that she chose to do it was something that you know somebody put her in 01:17:37.660 --> 01:17:44.920 that position okay and she's been able to grow up because you see a lot of that again it goes 01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:52.180 back to trance and how how much a person goes into a trance okay and you know after a while 01:17:52.180 --> 01:18:02.620 some people you know uh they grow out of it and and but it it's again it is it is a reality that 01:18:03.140 --> 01:18:10.260 that does happen and you know you can like i say you can trace it back farther than mk alter 01:18:10.260 --> 01:18:15.300 you can trace it beyond mk alter that's one of the things that epstein was doing and that's 01:18:15.300 --> 01:18:22.040 run read i got you know was very sad last week because we had to announce a book that 01:18:22.500 --> 01:18:32.760 the author is withdrawing okay uh uh epstein uh blue butterfly and because this book wasn't going 01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:40.880 into the uh sex it was going into the scientist okay because yeah he was gathering young women 01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:46.660 and and and girls and things but he was also gathering a whole bunch of world-class scientists 01:18:46.660 --> 01:18:56.360 he was also given these guys money to do things and this this is a continuation okay of uh the mk 01:18:56.360 --> 01:19:03.620 ultra uh continuation they were doing cloning uh they were looking into all i mean that that 01:19:03.620 --> 01:19:14.300 ranch it in new mexico you know uh this gal uh woke up there uh on on a on a on a table uh you 01:19:14.300 --> 01:19:23.540 know looking up at a medical thing and with a with a surgeon there and and uh we believe that they 01:19:23.540 --> 01:19:30.580 were harvesting eggs we have statements from other survivors about egg harvesting and of 01:19:30.580 --> 01:19:40.260 of particular uh blood lines and blood types okay so um there's there is presumably what 01:19:40.260 --> 01:19:48.180 recess negatives presumably um i i believe and a lot of oh yes yes and and a b negative 01:19:48.180 --> 01:19:56.520 something like that yes yeah and and so there was you know there's a lot more going on and you 01:19:57.740 --> 01:20:07.920 know they they'll throw a throw out all kinds of things to you know distract us and and stem the 01:20:08.480 --> 01:20:16.020 stem the flow yeah yeah i sorry just going back to the catholic austin fits i mean i knew that 01:20:16.020 --> 01:20:21.180 she was from one of those families but i didn't realize that she was she'd had that kind of 01:20:21.180 --> 01:20:23.800 fractured personality thing in her 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:33.160 because a lot a lot a lot of people are divided in the in the kind of the whatever this community's 01:20:33.160 --> 01:20:38.300 called truth seekers whatever they're kind of divided over over catherine austin fits you know 01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:44.880 a bit like they are over say tucker carlson they they think well yeah he comes up with some good 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:49.700 information but but he's basically working for the other side working for their leads 01:20:50.860 --> 01:20:58.960 well yeah i you know i i understand that i mean i'm you know do you beat the other side 01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:10.380 or do you um squeeze it to death if that makes any sense you know um you can you can you can run 01:21:10.380 --> 01:21:19.500 away from things or sometimes you can embrace them and change them you know so it's uh you know i mean 01:21:19.500 --> 01:21:31.920 it's does the uh uh did the did you go live in a cave you know uh to to uh create a better world 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:37.580 or do you try and create a better world through talking to people i mean you know i i don't 01:21:37.580 --> 01:21:42.700 know there's there's lots of different things but yeah i i can understand that but you know 01:21:42.700 --> 01:21:50.560 catherine is is a good person and in very smart well i like him i think she's very smart um 01:21:51.120 --> 01:21:57.480 so you think we should love bomb the illuminati into righteousness yeah you know i i i don't think 01:21:57.480 --> 01:22:05.840 we're gonna get rid of them by hating them okay i i i you know i'm a uh uh i i like i like 01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:13.380 buddha i like you know i i you know i i like uh you know well 01:22:15.620 --> 01:22:23.740 i like life i i you know and and you know christ said you know love god and and and 01:22:23.740 --> 01:22:29.000 everybody's your brothers and sisters and and that's the whole of the law and that that really 01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:37.260 is you know so i'm very uh i'm just very very hopeful and i really think that you know the 01:22:37.260 --> 01:22:45.160 illuminati has been exposed the most as of today okay i mean you know uh we know more about them 01:22:45.160 --> 01:22:53.200 okay uh than we did when you know i was a little kid okay and and and there's more information 01:22:53.200 --> 01:23:07.220 out there but truth seekers need to realize that um it's it's not just to to uncover evil 01:23:07.980 --> 01:23:16.120 okay or evil deeds uh it is to create a new way forward i mean i'm you know i'm very 01:23:18.500 --> 01:23:22.360 i say all the time onward to a better future for our children 01:23:23.200 --> 01:23:33.420 okay because that's who we leave the world to okay is to is to our children and with the ability 01:23:34.030 --> 01:23:41.980 to you know with ai and and the ability to just really lock things down if we don't stand 01:23:41.980 --> 01:23:50.240 up now and do something okay our children and their children are are you know they're they're 01:23:50.240 --> 01:23:56.740 gonna they're gonna be smacked down so i but like i say i'm very hopeful because i really think that 01:23:58.140 --> 01:24:03.580 the illuminati whatever you want to call them have you know i've gone way over their skis 01:24:04.240 --> 01:24:13.240 okay and you know it's i mean the jack boots are quite visible that's very true i mean 01:24:13.240 --> 01:24:23.360 uh i'm not sure i quite share your i mean look um you've just described to me how these people have 01:24:23.360 --> 01:24:33.860 have the power to decide how the culture treats each generation you know that they can say right 01:24:33.860 --> 01:24:39.160 this is going to be the generation that does this i mean my generation for example i don't get this 01:24:39.160 --> 01:24:46.780 what was the purpose of them flooding us with mdma ecstasy and making us all listen to dance music 01:24:46.780 --> 01:24:54.020 summer of second summer of love and all that um you know i i found that very interesting because 01:24:54.020 --> 01:25:00.040 i'm i'm a musician and so i would play and and you know we would play these festivals and 01:25:00.040 --> 01:25:04.980 and we would play music and then they'd have this other thing off to the distance you know 01:25:04.980 --> 01:25:11.800 the trance and the dance music and stuff like that and you know it's it's a way to 01:25:12.860 --> 01:25:21.140 control and and befuddle i mean it's just like uh uh video games i mean how much time has been 01:25:21.140 --> 01:25:29.620 wasted you know uh playing playing video games instead of instead of you know addressing the 01:25:29.620 --> 01:25:34.940 quote unquote problems of the world yeah okay i mean and and and you know i mean 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:42.940 we don't want to have the the whole problems of the world on on you know on on on everybody's 01:25:42.940 --> 01:25:50.780 shoulder but you know there is there's obviously you know a way to uh to walk down here and so 01:25:53.360 --> 01:25:57.980 i'm just i don't know i i'm just i'm just very hopeful because i really think i mean 01:25:57.980 --> 01:26:05.000 you know when you look at the history of the united states okay and you know where they had 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:10.700 to get to okay to break off from england because they they really didn't want to i mean it it took 01:26:10.700 --> 01:26:19.420 quite a bit okay to do that okay and but it just it just got too much and and and again 01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:26.660 once that happened then government oven buying for the people kind of spread around the world 01:26:26.660 --> 01:26:35.100 okay now you know what what i noticed in in in in england is the psychological control 01:26:35.940 --> 01:26:42.460 you know is is is very strong there in england i think i mean i don't know i don't live there i 01:26:42.460 --> 01:26:49.740 i live here in the united states and we have you know uh they have very strong control here too 01:26:49.740 --> 01:26:57.040 but the other thing is that we have a lot of space and so you know uh you can go somewhere 01:26:57.040 --> 01:27:05.480 and you aren't really bothered by it by a lot of people okay so they they seem to you know 01:27:05.480 --> 01:27:12.520 activate you know different controls in in in different countries to to a certain extent but 01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:20.620 you know well we're now worldwide and and they're really trying to impose this quote unquote new 01:27:20.620 --> 01:27:33.720 world order okay of uh of oligarchy really and um i don't i just uh it's going to be 01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:39.880 dang interesting that's for darn sure you know the thing like that because i had a great time 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:53.340 yesterday um reading through your um collected essays on skull and bones and one of the things i 01:27:53.340 --> 01:28:02.860 learned which is which is i thought was really interesting um was that russell before he founded 01:28:02.860 --> 01:28:07.200 skull and but that well actually i learned lots of good things i mean i learned that 01:28:07.200 --> 01:28:13.880 Yale is basically the CIA they're they're almost synonymous that it's um i don't think we've got 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:21.060 an equivalent in england i mean maybe oxford is is mi6 i don't know um all souls guys all souls 01:28:21.060 --> 01:28:32.020 right okay fair enough yeah um but the your man russell he went over to a before he founded 01:28:32.020 --> 01:28:41.780 skull and bones he went to a german university and joined one of their elite clubs there and skull and 01:28:41.780 --> 01:28:50.120 bones was actually the set up as the sister branch of this and you and you suggested that the the 01:28:50.120 --> 01:28:56.800 german secret society was basically the illuminati so you've got the illuminati being imported 01:28:56.800 --> 01:29:06.260 from europe from germany to to yale and becoming becoming the sort of governing mechanism for the 01:29:06.260 --> 01:29:15.800 illuminati in the in the in the the us but also importing i love the idea that the battle of 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:25.220 the battle of yana was what decided the education policy for the next 200 years 300 200 years that 01:29:25.220 --> 01:29:31.480 the defeat of the prashans the prashans were considered to be too free thinking and so bismarck 01:29:31.480 --> 01:29:35.240 said well look at the lesson of this we don't want free thinking people we want them to be able to 01:29:35.240 --> 01:29:41.200 stand in a line and get moaned down with great shop for the greater good so now we're going to 01:29:41.200 --> 01:29:47.180 institute this education system that's going to and it this all connects so you've got then 01:29:48.080 --> 01:29:53.740 the americans the people in skull and bones going yeah this is a great idea let's create 01:29:53.740 --> 01:29:58.740 this dumbed-down population just clever enough to do our bidding but not clever enough to think 01:29:58.740 --> 01:30:04.760 for themselves to think outside the box and so what we're going to do is we're going to get people 01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:09.240 like jewey to who was the other educationalist that was the responsible for your appalling 01:30:09.240 --> 01:30:17.360 education system john jewey and oh i can't i can't think so you've got this really really 01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:25.940 shit education system being imposed on america by design and then man and and then we come full 01:30:25.940 --> 01:30:31.080 circle because at the beginning you mentioned somebody called charlotte i assume you mean charlotte 01:30:31.080 --> 01:30:38.900 isabette yes is a bit yeah is a bit so charlotte is a bit who i i wish i'd i'd done a podcast with 01:30:38.900 --> 01:30:44.940 but when did she die oh maybe three three years ago three four years ago something that's so 01:30:44.940 --> 01:30:53.680 unlucky i would love did you meet her oh yes yes what was she like oh she was wonderful she she was uh 01:30:54.210 --> 01:31:05.500 you know i met her in in san francisco uh one day she was wearing leather pants and and a really nice 01:31:05.500 --> 01:31:13.760 lady and uh i've got an author who wrote a school world order okay jake klyzen okay who spent a lot 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:22.900 of time with her okay and you should get him on too i would do yes yes it it's a very good book 01:31:23.620 --> 01:31:30.300 my publisher's forward basically says this is a scary book because as i understand it charlotte 01:31:30.300 --> 01:31:36.940 isabette came from one of the sort of the bloodline backgrounds so she was she was one of the 01:31:36.940 --> 01:31:45.300 elites and she was given this cushy posting in the bush administration was it i think she started 01:31:45.300 --> 01:31:50.700 first in the reagan administration yeah but she was given this job which was it which it was a kind of 01:31:52.220 --> 01:31:57.200 what they wanted her to do was to go to the country club rather than take her job seriously 01:31:57.860 --> 01:32:03.500 but that instead she she was in education and instead she started looking at the files 01:32:03.970 --> 01:32:09.760 and realizing that it was no accident that american kids were becoming more and more stupid 01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:16.880 it was by design so she wrote a book book called the dumbing down of america dumbing down something 01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:23.880 big big big big yellow book big yellow book yes and and there's john john taylor gato's 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:29.800 history of uh underground history of american education too uh that's very good he was working 01:32:29.800 --> 01:32:38.080 with with with Sutton uh and no charlotte was a like i say her her father and grandfather were 01:32:38.080 --> 01:32:44.020 both members of the order of skull and bones uh they were both mining engineers and she was a lady 01:32:44.020 --> 01:32:56.640 who who sent the uh the books the uh membership books uh to to tony and i mean right now i mean 01:32:56.640 --> 01:33:02.560 i've even tried uh recently asking ai and and different things uh to get me a 01:33:03.200 --> 01:33:10.660 current list of skull and bone members and it it it won't supply it okay i mean they stopped 01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:21.300 publicly releasing their members uh in 1968 uh george eight uh w bush's uh year it was the 01:33:21.300 --> 01:33:32.060 last year that they had them in the uh the annual the banner annual at at Yale and the only place 01:33:32.060 --> 01:33:41.720 that that releases their names and sometimes they say they don't know for sure is is rumpus a Yale 01:33:43.320 --> 01:33:48.920 tabloid that's put out by students right and i mean it's been very interesting at times 01:33:49.460 --> 01:33:56.360 skull and bones is you know has become very very toxic there and the freshman class 01:33:56.360 --> 01:34:04.240 will announce it nobody in our class is going to join skull and bones but by the time they get to 01:34:04.240 --> 01:34:13.740 their junior year there's some that that always always join me and then you know uh the drug 01:34:13.740 --> 01:34:22.860 trade the immensity of the drug trade is you know uh officially they say that there's a million to a 01:34:22.860 --> 01:34:29.960 million two junkies in the united states i think there's a few more okay but at a million to a 01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:38.940 million two uh that's a ton a ton a day that has to be you know broken down and given out okay 01:34:38.940 --> 01:34:44.180 i mean there's some people that you know uh they might buy three days worth and there's 01:34:44.180 --> 01:34:49.520 some buy a week and there's some even that buy a month okay but most people are daily opium intake 01:34:50.260 --> 01:34:58.460 people okay at at at you know that's a ton a day okay and russia according to official figures 01:34:58.460 --> 01:35:06.280 has has five percent of its population is daily opium intake okay uh china still has the largest 01:35:06.280 --> 01:35:12.880 number of people that are daily opium intake people and then iran has the largest percentage 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:21.260 population of 10 because it's a upper class and middle class uh thing in iran and so i mean 01:35:22.320 --> 01:35:31.580 the amount of of of stuff that has to be spread around the world is just a mince and you know i 01:35:31.580 --> 01:35:43.500 uh oh i'm a musician and and i met a few people that have moved drugs and i was a friend of these 01:35:43.500 --> 01:35:52.500 people of a mexican car to tell them they started telling me a story about how this company is 01:35:52.500 --> 01:36:01.180 oil company from brazil ugly because they had this valley in in mexico where they've been 01:36:01.180 --> 01:36:07.220 growing opium poppies for well over a hundred years and they said yeah this company came to us 01:36:07.220 --> 01:36:12.540 and they they want to put a little shack in the middle of their valley where the pipe comes up 01:36:12.540 --> 01:36:20.040 out of the ground and then goes back in okay because again you know a ton a day for a million 01:36:20.040 --> 01:36:26.460 two and it's a lot more but how did they get it here okay they're using the oil pipelines and 01:36:26.460 --> 01:36:40.000 pigs okay to move stuff around okay it's it's it's it's a huge industry again they all should be just 01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:45.780 straight and legal because as long as they're illegal is it the world's biggest the most lucrative 01:36:45.780 --> 01:36:52.940 industry uh it's the most profitable right it's it's the most it's the most profitable 01:36:52.940 --> 01:37:01.920 and you know it it it's illegal so we don't really get all the figures do we 01:37:02.410 --> 01:37:07.380 and who so the people who are making the money out of this are basically the old families 01:37:08.480 --> 01:37:15.690 the old families the banks and the banks yeah yeah you know i mean uh 01:37:19.510 --> 01:37:27.150 you know i mean you can look at you know from a mafia standpoint you know they're going to want to 01:37:27.770 --> 01:37:35.090 take out their competition because you know it's it's like the when the americans got involved in 01:37:35.090 --> 01:37:42.410 in the in the drug in the opium trade because he the british east junior company had told us americans 01:37:42.410 --> 01:37:49.110 that we had to buy tea from them well the americans said blonk a blonk and and we started 01:37:49.110 --> 01:37:54.430 meeting dutch and french ships out in the middle of the ocean and and getting tea and giving them 01:37:54.430 --> 01:37:59.830 ginseng and different things and so we uh the americans developed a clippership which could 01:37:59.830 --> 01:38:06.390 tack against the wind so when we got involved in the drug trade you're going from canton to bomb 01:38:06.390 --> 01:38:13.110 bay um these guys they were sometimes it would take two years for the ship to go back and forth 01:38:13.110 --> 01:38:18.770 and then some people were doing you know in one year and then the clippership got involved and so 01:38:18.770 --> 01:38:27.650 they were doing it three times a year okay so did the british not have clippers uh after a while 01:38:27.650 --> 01:38:35.390 after a while but the the americans developed them first wow and and then um uh during the first opium 01:38:35.390 --> 01:38:44.310 war uh the americans weren't involved in it so we had our factory you know in canton opened during 01:38:44.310 --> 01:38:49.170 the whole whole war the other you know the french and the german the dutch and the british 01:38:49.170 --> 01:38:59.110 weren't there so we developed very strong relationships with them so uh yeah it's uh history is is is 01:38:59.110 --> 01:39:06.050 what we learned from and the future is to where we're going yeah well it's interesting hearing 01:39:06.050 --> 01:39:13.050 this from you because you spent a lot of time looking into this stuff um i mean i had no idea 01:39:13.650 --> 01:39:17.910 that a lot of american families had enriched themselves with the opium trade nor nor 01:39:17.910 --> 01:39:23.890 had i any idea about how important the opium trade was i kind of thought heroin was a kind of minority 01:39:23.890 --> 01:39:30.970 thing these days and that it was not it's heroin the big drug still well hero i mean it's been 01:39:30.970 --> 01:39:38.010 taken over by fentanyl okay it's it's you know it's it's easier to produce and and and blah 01:39:38.010 --> 01:39:45.810 to blah to blah right okay but uh the people that are you know controlling it uh and spreading 01:39:45.810 --> 01:39:53.990 it out and and you know aren't the people that are going to jail you said at the beginning that 01:39:53.990 --> 01:39:59.470 that you know when you started reading out reading about this world you found one book blaming 01:39:59.470 --> 01:40:05.470 the Mormons one book blaming the Catholics one book blaming the masons one book blaming the Jews 01:40:07.070 --> 01:40:14.570 where are you on because i've heard different theories there's the spring mire 13 satanic blood 01:40:14.570 --> 01:40:23.650 lines i i i i'm known fritz i i'm known fritz for 50 years you can't trust everything fritz says 01:40:23.650 --> 01:40:28.290 and he talks about that he says he he puts everything up and and puts it down because 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:35.790 i mean i was sitting and talking to a guy that fritz once said it was killed by a cult okay 01:40:35.790 --> 01:40:42.410 and he was he was alive so i like fritz and there's some good stuff in there but you 01:40:42.410 --> 01:40:47.990 you just need to be careful i mean you need to be careful with everybody's well that's always been my 01:40:47.990 --> 01:40:52.990 policy i mean i you know i can i can i could listen to this this if i if i listen to my old 01:40:52.990 --> 01:40:57.570 interviews which i don't but if i did i'd be going through this and going yeah he was really 01:40:57.570 --> 01:41:02.250 he was really on the money there not sure i buy his stuff about that i think that that has 01:41:02.250 --> 01:41:06.650 to be the approach you have to sort of compare what you know with what this person's telling you 01:41:06.650 --> 01:41:12.790 and what your instinct tells you and all all this that that makes sense but you must have got a kind 01:41:12.790 --> 01:41:19.570 of a feeling there's there's the the story about the the black nobility story about families going 01:41:19.570 --> 01:41:27.470 back to ancient rome some of them like the duponts which can trace their heritage back to babelon 01:41:28.250 --> 01:41:33.530 in a dupont there's some connection between the word pontiff and it's an occult thing 01:41:34.090 --> 01:41:43.050 um so do you i mean would you say it in terms of kind of like rival mafia gangs so you've got the 01:41:43.050 --> 01:41:49.110 kind of the jewish mob you've got the the catholic mob you've got there is that how it works no 01:41:49.670 --> 01:41:59.490 no i i i truly uh believe you know the again the uh uh the book out of uh out of belgium based 01:41:59.490 --> 01:42:04.350 on the state police report where they put somebody up and he got up to the top and there was a whole 01:42:04.350 --> 01:42:12.210 whole bunch of uh things all called the order okay and so i really look at as a again a secret 01:42:12.210 --> 01:42:19.330 societal system is is is the control mechanism and they're going to um 01:42:21.270 --> 01:42:29.190 they're going to create false rivalries uh to move the population okay uh for different 01:42:29.190 --> 01:42:38.250 narratives but like i say you know yes scone bones is related to a german secret society okay and 01:42:39.350 --> 01:42:46.930 in the in these societies your your allegiance is not to your country your allegiance is to the 01:42:46.930 --> 01:42:59.070 secret societies so i really see um you know uh i i'm sure there is some um oh rivalries 01:43:00.590 --> 01:43:10.850 but at a certain point in time you're going to look to cooperate because the cooperation 01:43:10.850 --> 01:43:20.890 between these secret societies is going to allow them to uh control uh defeat their enemy 01:43:20.890 --> 01:43:29.110 which again is the people okay i mean they've got to keep you know whatever semblance of okay 01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:35.690 why are we deserve to be in power okay why why do the blue bloods think they're blue 01:43:36.250 --> 01:43:44.030 okay it's it's a fancy way of saying well we're related to king david okay and so then they try and 01:43:44.030 --> 01:43:52.710 use you know um psychopomp to say that you know that that means that you know we're we're the 01:43:52.710 --> 01:44:00.470 elite and you know we're we're part of the you know we we we deserve it okay and you know but 01:44:00.470 --> 01:44:06.570 when you look at history you know the first thing a usurper does okay it's create a false history 01:44:06.570 --> 01:44:15.730 so he's in with that line of of of control okay and i believe there's there's work in and uh 01:44:16.250 --> 01:44:23.350 well genetics and and dna that shows you know you go back four or five hundred years and and and 01:44:23.350 --> 01:44:31.070 you know we're all pretty much related you know so all this blood bloodline superiority 01:44:31.770 --> 01:44:43.010 blah blah blah is it is just a a control mechanism when again we need to have 01:44:44.150 --> 01:44:50.130 proper ways of of of governance here i mean you know there's some people say oh we don't 01:44:50.130 --> 01:44:55.830 need government well i don't know i i i think we need government so that we can all talk to each 01:44:55.830 --> 01:45:01.650 other i mean you got you know some people can't even get along talking with the other people just on 01:45:01.650 --> 01:45:11.750 facebook you know so um government of and buying for the people where uh you know you 01:45:12.350 --> 01:45:17.370 look at your problems and you and you figure out how to how to deal with them rather than 01:45:17.990 --> 01:45:28.290 having you know control imposed from above okay either because you know there are the royals or 01:45:28.290 --> 01:45:36.730 or or or whatnot so you know i don't know do you think that um if you and i had been ambitious 01:45:36.730 --> 01:45:46.470 we could have joined the illuminati oh possibly but they would have probably just uh 01:45:47.370 --> 01:45:54.690 steal what you have and give it to somebody else okay i mean now the illuminati you know you had 01:45:54.690 --> 01:46:05.050 a white shout okay start that uh what was that uh may 1st 1776 okay and and then you had come to 01:46:05.050 --> 01:46:13.050 america you had five eight of kappa was formed here in december 5th 1776 okay and then two shoots 01:46:13.050 --> 01:46:17.750 went off from that was at college of william and mary two shoots went up one went to yale one went 01:46:17.750 --> 01:46:31.850 to harvard okay and now uh like the number 322 that's the number of uh of skull and bones uh and and 01:46:31.850 --> 01:46:39.890 i think that those are like chapter numbers okay and i think you have lots of lots of different 01:46:39.890 --> 01:46:53.110 chapters um uh around and of the order yes so what you mean that skull and bones is the 322nd chapter 01:46:53.870 --> 01:47:04.710 of the order what's number one i i personally think it's in uh in vivaria but you know i i don't 01:47:05.130 --> 01:47:15.710 go to their meetings i just read books you know and but but beyond all that uh you know i i i'd 01:47:16.250 --> 01:47:26.030 like to see a future uh without uh the secrecy okay of of of these people using secrecy to lie 01:47:26.930 --> 01:47:35.790 no okay and and uh um so again i'm i'm i'm hopeful i'm i'm i'm just really hopeful because 01:47:36.510 --> 01:47:43.950 either either we're we're we're gonna we're gonna live in a in a lockdown or we're gonna 01:47:43.950 --> 01:47:52.150 live in some liberty and freedom do you do you wonder why you haven't been bumped off 01:47:54.370 --> 01:48:02.210 oh it probably causing more problems than than than it'd be worth i mean the the biggest thing 01:48:02.210 --> 01:48:10.850 that i've found is is that they basically i i get ignored i get ignored okay because if they if if 01:48:10.850 --> 01:48:19.270 if light gets shined upon me you know they've got to explain it and so uh they i mean i i don't 01:48:19.270 --> 01:48:26.350 have a wikipedia page okay i've been doing trying day for 26 years got 180 books okay people have 01:48:26.350 --> 01:48:33.270 tried to set one up and it gets taken down they say oh his books don't they don't mean nothing to see 01:48:33.270 --> 01:48:42.790 here nothing to see here so um now you've got me worried gris because i do i do have a wikipedia page 01:48:46.610 --> 01:48:54.790 i'm a target aren't i right right but you know it's uh like we live in very interesting times 01:48:54.790 --> 01:49:03.070 you know we live in very interesting times and and um i'm hopeful for the future i just think that uh 01:49:03.650 --> 01:49:08.170 yeah but you but the thing problem is christ that you're a big soppy buddhist whereas 01:49:08.170 --> 01:49:15.010 so you haven't you believe rule rule one with the world and i i'm a christian i don't you know i've 01:49:15.010 --> 01:49:21.690 got revelation i'm a christian too i may uh you know i believe uh you know uh buddhism you know 01:49:22.290 --> 01:49:29.350 drusselm was on uh you know a track that went all all the way back to the to the spices i mean 01:49:29.350 --> 01:49:35.710 there was there was buddhist buddhist communities in egypt at the time okay and and and where 01:49:35.710 --> 01:49:45.230 where did he go for you know when he was a teenager to to 30 where where where did he go so um 01:49:46.770 --> 01:49:54.590 i don't know i'm just lord have mercy again i i'm just i'm just very hopeful because i really 01:49:54.590 --> 01:50:08.270 think that uh the exposure isn't doing the illuminati any good okay i mean um and and in today's world um 01:50:09.770 --> 01:50:14.490 again it it's going to get interesting i mean everybody's got a 01:50:14.490 --> 01:50:21.690 a computer in their pocket got a phone in their pocket got a movie in their pocket 01:50:21.690 --> 01:50:30.570 you know along along with that guy in kenya you know so who knows where our help is going 01:50:30.570 --> 01:50:36.210 to come from i would i yeah i will take the guy in kenya but i'm not sure whether that's 01:50:36.210 --> 01:50:43.490 enough compensation for everyone carries a spy device which probably can explode on the trigger 01:50:43.490 --> 01:50:52.590 signal so we've got the goat herd in kenya versus the fact that everyone is carrying the seeds of 01:50:52.590 --> 01:51:03.930 their instant destruction well you know um i guess it's the last half full guy chris 01:51:09.170 --> 01:51:20.030 um i i i'm just uh i don't know i uh i i i i i i believe in in in in our country and i and i believe 01:51:20.030 --> 01:51:27.610 in people all over the world i i i don't you know most people you know uh they love their children 01:51:28.170 --> 01:51:31.630 and they want to they want their children to have a better future 01:51:32.410 --> 01:51:38.170 and so that's where a lot of my hope lies but that the thing is because i this is this has been one of 01:51:38.170 --> 01:51:44.910 my um take-homes since since i began my crash course journey down the rabbit hole about five 01:51:44.910 --> 01:51:54.750 years ago and it's been pretty intense my core like and it's made me love people human beings 01:51:54.750 --> 01:52:01.930 more than ever um because i i believe we're all created in god's image and people just people 01:52:01.930 --> 01:52:07.750 don't want to be fighting wars they want to be spending time with their kids and and having 01:52:07.750 --> 01:52:13.410 you know chatting to people and hanging out and they like to be growing stuff and doing 01:52:13.410 --> 01:52:20.890 stuff that's real like hunting you know on on horseback and and things that matter um i i 01:52:20.890 --> 01:52:27.830 get all that i get all that but the people who run the world ain't like that i mean you know whether 01:52:27.830 --> 01:52:32.450 it's it's not their fault or it is their fault is neither here nor there the point is they are 01:52:32.450 --> 01:52:37.370 what they are and they do what they do and i agree we we can all build communities and 01:52:37.370 --> 01:52:42.790 build parallel systems and that's what we're doing i think and you're right the more 01:52:42.790 --> 01:52:49.490 information gets out there the it puts the baddies on the back foot but i don't think it's 01:52:49.490 --> 01:52:56.450 going to resolve itself in the next generation well it's going to get very interesting we have 01:52:56.450 --> 01:53:07.210 we have the next uh you know generation alpha is is the next um uh uh what do you call it yeah 01:53:07.210 --> 01:53:14.370 whatever the next gen yeah but no they're they're the uh uh not the uh 01:53:16.350 --> 01:53:23.150 they're the people looking towards the future you know and and and and so and again we've got 01:53:23.930 --> 01:53:30.590 this this cycle of generations can and and this this fourth turning this paradigm shift 01:53:31.170 --> 01:53:40.070 can lift us into uh quote unquote heaven on earth here okay where we aren't uh you know 01:53:40.070 --> 01:53:49.710 fighting wars where we aren't uh you know uh having you know an economy that is based on 01:53:49.710 --> 01:53:57.590 you know war and and other things i mean um how many of the chinese people you know 01:53:57.590 --> 01:54:03.110 want to kill us how many of us want to kill the chinese how many of us want to kill the russians 01:54:03.110 --> 01:54:08.430 blada blah blah yeah but chris i'm going to refer you to one of the books that you've 01:54:08.430 --> 01:54:14.350 know you've read because you've published it two world wars and hitler and i learned 01:54:14.350 --> 01:54:23.210 from reading that book that in 1913 no british people had no interest whatsoever in fighting 01:54:23.210 --> 01:54:29.670 in fighting germans they had to be they had to be worked on very heavily and unfortunately 01:54:30.290 --> 01:54:36.950 that we know that the um uh the millner group controlled the media they controlled academe 01:54:36.950 --> 01:54:44.570 they controlled politics they controlled finance and they used those those um those institutions 01:54:45.630 --> 01:54:54.310 to slowly whip the populace into a frenzy of to to the point where people were killing gangs 01:54:54.310 --> 01:55:00.410 were stalking daxons german dogs were being hunted down in the streets german pianos were 01:55:00.410 --> 01:55:05.490 being chucked out of windows now this is in a populace that had no interest in fighting a war 01:55:05.490 --> 01:55:11.130 and then few months later they were all queuing up joining pal's battalions to fight with their 01:55:11.130 --> 01:55:15.790 mates to go off and it was all going to be over by christmas and how many million of them 01:55:15.790 --> 01:55:21.150 died the flower of generation was wiped out so you know it's one of the things saying yeah 01:55:21.150 --> 01:55:26.230 nobody really likes war but it's another thing saying they're not going to be immune to the 01:55:26.230 --> 01:55:30.350 blandishments of a system which is designed to brainwash them and control them controlled by some 01:55:30.350 --> 01:55:36.730 evil people well the internet wasn't around at that time okay we can you know we can counter 01:55:36.730 --> 01:55:45.090 it as much as we can okay but again there there is there is a counter um argument there is there 01:55:45.090 --> 01:55:53.570 is counter voices okay and uh again i'm just hoping that you know again their 01:55:55.930 --> 01:56:04.770 their corruption is so much in the open their corruption is so much in the open that it exposes 01:56:05.370 --> 01:56:16.830 them it exposes them to change in a good way so you know i i again it it's hope it is hope 01:56:16.830 --> 01:56:24.850 but i i i truly you know can can see a path how it can happen okay whether it will or not 01:56:25.450 --> 01:56:33.290 who knows but i i i again i'm just i'm just truly because i we're we're sitting here you know 01:56:33.290 --> 01:56:40.890 at a virtual table okay talking about this and that's how change happens okay that's how change 01:56:40.890 --> 01:56:48.730 happens by people talking people understanding people you know being say oh i didn't understand 01:56:48.730 --> 01:56:55.950 that now i'm understanding that more okay and it doesn't just all happen at once i mean like you 01:56:55.950 --> 01:57:01.490 were saying you went on a crash course i'm i'm a lucky guy okay my daddy told me some stuff 01:57:01.490 --> 01:57:08.550 i didn't understand okay i i got i i got to take you know 20 years until i understood my daddy and 01:57:08.550 --> 01:57:14.990 i didn't you know and then i got another you know 20 just reading books here and there and what 01:57:14.990 --> 01:57:21.810 we're right people are going through this crash course of going down the rabbit holes trying 01:57:21.810 --> 01:57:27.390 to figure out how the world really works okay and then if you get some kind of handle on that 01:57:27.390 --> 01:57:34.970 then comes a question well what can i do about it okay and and you're doing something you're having 01:57:34.970 --> 01:57:41.710 conversations with me okay and these conversations are being listened to by by other people okay 01:57:43.250 --> 01:57:53.170 right and so you know i mean the american revolution okay the largest population was on 01:57:53.170 --> 01:57:59.890 was on their couch okay it was just you know uh a small percentage of it that that actually 01:57:59.890 --> 01:58:05.870 made change happen okay and yeah the powers that be were still in the background you know 01:58:05.870 --> 01:58:12.250 some are some of it holding on uh by the skin of their teeth okay and and they're able to 01:58:12.250 --> 01:58:22.530 re-establish themselves but again you know sunlight is the best disinfected okay and and so 01:58:24.190 --> 01:58:31.870 people talking about it that's how that's how change happens so before we go chris um 01:58:32.690 --> 01:58:39.690 give me your top three of all the books you read on on this on the conspiracies 01:58:39.690 --> 01:58:46.530 what are your top three golly walley doodle so i put you on the spot 01:58:48.450 --> 01:58:56.370 well two old wars in hitler is is is is awfully good i i do like uh fleshing out skull and bones 01:58:56.370 --> 01:59:01.030 are like america's secret establishment and introduction to the order of skull and bones 01:59:01.030 --> 01:59:10.950 that was um like the whitney webs um one nation under blackmail you know it explains a lot of the 01:59:11.790 --> 01:59:14.750 situation we're in um 01:59:16.710 --> 01:59:23.030 professor quigley's books uh both of both of his books are are are very good 01:59:23.750 --> 01:59:30.790 um i i don't think i can pick three sorry no that's right that's right well that's 01:59:30.790 --> 01:59:37.830 that's the start of reading this well um where can people find you i don't mean 01:59:37.830 --> 01:59:49.430 they know how you live anyway the people the black helicopters yeah uh trynday.com okay and i've 01:59:49.430 --> 01:59:58.870 also got a conspiracy theory research list ctrl.org it's not very active and but trynday 01:59:59.670 --> 02:00:07.630 we've got a facebook page i've got my own facebook page uh chris milligan um that's where i probably 02:00:07.630 --> 02:00:19.010 get quote unquote political and uh just uh yeah trynday.com it's got my phone number it's 02:00:19.010 --> 02:00:24.930 got an email address like and i imagine you will be providing me with lots lots more 02:00:25.470 --> 02:00:32.730 guests from my podcast because it sounds like you're you're published authors and my and my um 02:00:33.310 --> 02:00:41.630 my podcast like it's quite a good um well yeah i mean again i've been you know 02:00:42.230 --> 02:00:49.930 exploring uh you know how the world really works and and talking to people and then you know 02:00:49.930 --> 02:00:58.390 people throw me books and i i don't just publish books that you know um i believe in a hundred percent 02:00:58.390 --> 02:01:05.910 i mean because that's not the job of a publisher is you know and so i mean i've got books out there 02:01:05.910 --> 02:01:12.690 that you know i don't agree with but uh there there's you know learning in there and their 02:01:12.690 --> 02:01:20.770 exposition okay and and you you have to go down some blind alleys too to understand where uh the 02:01:20.770 --> 02:01:27.550 reality is too actually before we go i've got to ask you a final question to see whether you are in fact 02:01:27.550 --> 02:01:39.450 cia like your father or not is the world a globe a spinning globe uh i think we are a planet yes 02:01:40.120 --> 02:01:49.430 i i i think we are a planet in in in a solar system what that lives in a galaxy that lives in 02:01:49.430 --> 02:01:55.550 lots of galaxies you crazy i mean i i don't know what that has to do with the cia but that's that's 02:01:55.550 --> 02:02:00.570 my own i imagine you've just you've just spelled out the cia position 02:02:02.070 --> 02:02:14.450 i i guess i don't know i mean i i was never uh my older brother uh i was asked to join when he uh 02:02:14.450 --> 02:02:21.250 he was working in new york the only i was uh i turned down the chicago mob twice did you 02:02:21.250 --> 02:02:27.490 yeah yeah well they offered you a place on their graduate recruitment scheme or what i mean well 02:02:28.850 --> 02:02:39.290 well no i was a salesman selling uh pre-recorded uh video and i was at the chicago ces show and i was 02:02:39.750 --> 02:02:46.990 uh complaining that i wasn't making enough money and they says go go go talk to guido up the top 02:02:46.990 --> 02:02:52.790 of the stairs because he had movies that weren't even in the theaters on videotape which you could 02:02:52.790 --> 02:03:02.450 then sell you know black uh the sell for 50 to 100 bucks but yeah i didn't i didn't lack of so i said no 02:03:02.970 --> 02:03:11.150 and then later on uh they made sure that i knew that the guy uh i was going to meet 02:03:11.150 --> 02:03:16.670 own this lounge where i was meeting him with and they wanted to set up a used video warehouse 02:03:16.670 --> 02:03:25.050 which yeah there'd be used but there'd be a bunch of uh uh black stuff there too and i uh 02:03:25.670 --> 02:03:32.370 so i get there and the guy shows up and he he brought it three picture books he brought a picture 02:03:32.370 --> 02:03:40.370 book of his mansion a picture book of his cars and a picture book of his horses oh well you know 02:03:40.990 --> 02:03:51.150 i'd been around the block enough to know that you only tell them yes once and so i said no i mean i 02:03:51.150 --> 02:03:57.590 could have made a whole bunch of money and everything like that but you only tell those guys yes once 02:03:58.610 --> 02:04:04.670 i think that's right i think i might have said yes with the horses that's the problem but 02:04:05.310 --> 02:04:08.970 the thing is i've noticed this that i mean 02:04:10.750 --> 02:04:16.610 you really don't want stuff in your past that people could blackmail you on do you really i mean 02:04:16.610 --> 02:04:21.910 you've got to be and you don't know this when you're young you don't realize it'd be so that 02:04:21.910 --> 02:04:25.750 there are so many ways they can ensnare you because you're young and you're foolish and you're 02:04:25.750 --> 02:04:31.430 and you think wow i want money because you do when you're younger you want or i want girls 02:04:31.430 --> 02:04:41.210 whatever yeah sex sex you know trips up a lot of folks you know yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh uh because 02:04:41.210 --> 02:04:46.610 you know it if you don't have somebody on your side how you're going to get them to do what you 02:04:46.610 --> 02:04:57.750 want them to do okay and you know if you can tell them a lie to get you what you want them to 02:04:57.750 --> 02:05:09.030 order okay so yeah blackmail is is is definitely a way that they get things done so i think chris 02:05:09.030 --> 02:05:16.330 we can send a joint message to the younger people watching this um this podcast if you are being 02:05:16.330 --> 02:05:25.830 offered easy sex or easy money just remember it's not really easy is that is that fair enough 02:05:25.830 --> 02:05:32.830 message the amen amen exactly just learn that kids and and older people who are thinking of 02:05:32.830 --> 02:05:40.070 being tempted it's not worth it right um well chris i've really enjoyed chatting to you i did get on 02:05:40.070 --> 02:05:47.290 with you um uh perhaps we'll chat again about about other things you obviously you must have 02:05:47.290 --> 02:05:53.610 learned an awful lot in your in your how many when did you become what how and how old are you 02:05:53.610 --> 02:06:07.730 by the way i'm 76 b 77 this year right um yeah 76 that must be a uh it must have an occult significance 02:06:07.730 --> 02:06:16.590 because of 1776 i must mustn't it seven and six well you know it is it's 13 02:06:19.010 --> 02:06:26.370 you know the the world the world keeps on happening you know it keeps on keeps on rolling around 02:06:26.370 --> 02:06:32.450 i appreciate it sir well thank you i'm gonna go and have some um peanut butter on toast now 02:06:32.450 --> 02:06:36.490 and i'm gonna nurse i'm gonna have another aulika tablet for my can you see my finger 02:06:37.050 --> 02:06:43.850 well well get well get well thank you i will i'll be a brave boy okay um okay thank you it's been 02:06:43.850 --> 02:06:50.950 really good talking to you and um oh yes everybody do consider being a paid subscriber 02:06:50.950 --> 02:06:55.530 of me on sub-stack and stuff and support my sponsors and everything else and you know 02:06:55.530 --> 02:07:01.150 i i appreciate your support i value it and thank you again chris thank you take care