WEBVTT 00:00.020 --> 00:06.720 We're able to mimic Nessia Moon's voice by recreating his mouth and vocal chords with the 3d printer 00:06.720 --> 00:12.660 It allowed them to produce a single sound Monero is what Bitcoin nubes think they bought 00:22.750 --> 00:26.550 I'm doing great. I'm enjoying the end of the summer and 00:27.670 --> 00:30.730 Getting ready for this the last leg of the bull run 00:30.730 --> 00:34.630 Which is a great opportunity for us to teach people about privacy coins 00:34.630 --> 00:39.650 What matters most in crypto? So how are you guys doing? I'm so happy to be here, dude 00:39.650 --> 00:47.350 We appreciate your time and you are the go-to source when it comes to some of these subjects. So let's get right into it 00:48.710 --> 00:55.690 You have an interesting point of view on this I guess it's sort of old news now this 00:56.770 --> 01:02.990 Quote on quote 51% attack on Monero that took place. First of all, let me ask you were they 51'd? 01:02.990 --> 01:05.510 Yes or no and why well tell us what happened 01:06.710 --> 01:11.190 so what really happened was that there was a selfish mining attack and 01:12.010 --> 01:15.530 They were able to reorganize six blocks 01:15.530 --> 01:21.550 But in the Monero has built within it a a safety net of ten blocks 01:21.550 --> 01:26.110 So they were never able to reorg more than ten blocks to begin with 01:26.710 --> 01:27.110 second 01:28.850 --> 01:32.510 It is it is even argued that in proof of work. You can't really 01:32.990 --> 01:34.310 You could you could maybe 01:36.450 --> 01:39.730 Attempt to hurt a blockchain, but you'll never be able to truly 01:41.050 --> 01:42.130 Hurt a blockchain 01:42.130 --> 01:51.110 So even the notion of a 20 or 51% attack within a proof of work network that is still contested as an idea that 01:52.030 --> 01:53.290 that it that 01:54.030 --> 01:56.990 The network itself is built to protect itself 01:56.990 --> 02:01.350 So just like a selfish miner can attack a proof of work network 02:01.350 --> 02:09.030 The honest and miners can also protect the network in the same way. So that's something to 02:09.030 --> 02:12.970 I mean, they got a relatively high a high amount of hash rate 02:13.950 --> 02:18.490 What was it like 38% or 28% something like that? 02:19.530 --> 02:24.770 Yeah, but it was never a 51% attack in order for 51% attack have to happen 02:24.770 --> 02:30.310 They have to take over to control the entire network for a long span of time and that really never happened 02:30.310 --> 02:34.990 So bottom line is is Monero safe to use for agorists? 02:35.550 --> 02:40.910 Yes, 100% okay. You heard it. You heard it guys. If anything if anything it made Monero 02:41.590 --> 02:43.710 safer because the Monero community 02:44.370 --> 02:44.930 has 02:44.930 --> 02:49.590 The Monero community has within it the the culture 02:50.270 --> 02:56.110 That they're more ready to tell you what could possibly go wrong with Monero than they are to tell you about how great 02:56.110 --> 03:00.770 Monero is and that has to do with their adherence to the false ethos 03:00.770 --> 03:04.890 And that's of something very particular to all the Monero. What is that? 03:05.050 --> 03:11.290 What is the false ethos the free and open source software ethos that the um, it's it's the culture of peer review 03:11.290 --> 03:14.510 The cypher punk for sort of fucking yes 03:15.010 --> 03:22.830 Foundation outside of the outside of the Linux community when if you were to find the culture that very much honors that 03:24.810 --> 03:32.150 Embrace of of peer review of the peer review process the community that embraces that the most is Monero and 03:32.970 --> 03:40.810 Do you see another ever moving to a proof-of-stake or a hybrid proof-of-stake model? Do you ever see that happening? No, because 03:42.210 --> 03:49.970 So what we are what we're what's happening is is that we're having a lot of healthy conversations about that and there's nothing wrong with researching that 03:49.970 --> 03:53.790 Which is I think it's a very healthy conversation to have 03:54.650 --> 03:58.010 However, the problem with proof-of-stake is that proof-of-stake 03:59.370 --> 03:59.890 Inetivably 04:03.790 --> 04:09.690 Accumulates power into fewer and fewer hands over time so I asked Andre save on the call of this 04:10.550 --> 04:13.890 He was one of the writers of the crypto note code base 04:15.030 --> 04:17.790 Helped get Monero off the ground he started Zeno and I said to him 04:17.790 --> 04:21.190 I was like, you know, how do you respond because he's a big proof-of-stake guy 04:21.190 --> 04:23.250 and it's how do you respond to this idea of 04:23.670 --> 04:27.270 You know oligarchy, right? It's sort of you know power tens in the hands of a few 04:27.270 --> 04:32.470 You have to wrap you know have a you know a master know whatever and he's like 04:33.670 --> 04:37.470 So what he's like if you are a stakeholder shouldn't you be the one who has a stay, you know 04:37.470 --> 04:41.650 It's sort of like the idea that property rights people who don't own property shouldn't be able to vote 04:42.430 --> 04:48.310 What do you think I know we're getting a little off topic here, but you know, it's a perfect question to ask 04:48.310 --> 04:55.530 The difference is is that once you have of the a majority stakeholder that cannot be outcompeted 04:56.450 --> 05:02.130 Because they have a mass so much control over the network you take away the factor of 05:03.410 --> 05:05.570 Umbrella competition from the network 05:06.170 --> 05:11.890 The difference with pure proof-of-work, which is what Monero has stri has always strived strive for 05:11.890 --> 05:15.210 especially with like random X is so that every 05:15.210 --> 05:16.610 human person 05:16.610 --> 05:19.250 can compete in 05:19.250 --> 05:21.270 securing the network in offering 05:21.270 --> 05:23.350 better service a better 05:24.250 --> 05:32.870 Cheaper electricity cost it's not taking so that they can engage the network, you know and in the most free market way possible 05:34.070 --> 05:36.910 Competition is the essence of proof-of-work 05:37.790 --> 05:42.990 Built within proof-of-work. You will always find that the design it always 05:44.550 --> 05:54.950 Favors the individual who at the present moment is contributing the best work to the network. It's right. It's a complete meritocracy. Yeah, so 05:55.670 --> 05:56.610 when you 05:58.090 --> 06:04.950 Expand that to to the mining world and and you allow a network to be 06:05.690 --> 06:13.520 Extremely competitive the way that Monero allows it to be and what competitive means it means that anyone can compete in 06:14.030 --> 06:16.770 Securing the network. That's what's beautiful about Monero 06:16.770 --> 06:24.450 That's what's beautiful about how in Monero random X was embraced as the means by which any person in the world 06:24.450 --> 06:29.730 CPU GPU mining can engage in securing the most people 06:29.730 --> 06:33.770 Most people don't even think about that either and so there is no 06:34.690 --> 06:42.050 So that's pretty much proof-of-stake does what the corporate model does which is for example warm Buffett 06:42.050 --> 06:47.990 We'll always get the lion's share of coca-cola because warm Buffett is the majority stakeholder 06:47.990 --> 06:54.610 Right, right, right the problem with that is is that if you if us three were to be hired by coca-cola tomorrow 06:54.610 --> 06:59.150 And we come up with an amazing idea for coca-cola that cost 07:00.270 --> 07:05.470 You know that that we lower costs for the company for the production that we increase revenue 07:05.470 --> 07:06.710 We may get a bonus 07:07.730 --> 07:13.310 But we are not ever going to make it more in the in the lion's share 07:13.310 --> 07:19.070 That is held by this the stakeholders right the majority stakeholders of the company 07:19.070 --> 07:20.030 so 07:20.030 --> 07:29.140 The environment of a peer-proof of work allows everyone to compete and in a true meritocracy, and that's really what makes a 07:29.490 --> 07:35.610 Bitcoin that's really what makes Monero especially very valuable very appealing because it's it's um 07:35.610 --> 07:38.850 It's extremely laissez-faire now 07:39.570 --> 07:46.210 Is there a good is this a good opportunity to revisit the concept of proof-of-stake sure um right now 07:46.730 --> 07:47.430 Kayaba nerve 07:47.430 --> 07:53.150 Luke Parker is putting out a CSS which is a community community Monero community 07:54.050 --> 07:57.510 crowdfunding proposal where he's seeking to 07:57.510 --> 08:04.390 Raise money raise Monero so that he can write a book about what he's proposing as the finality layer 08:04.390 --> 08:08.270 Which is it's a way of people saying that well 08:08.270 --> 08:13.490 It's a finality layer that is proof-of-stake, but it's not really proof-of-stake. It's just like 08:13.490 --> 08:17.010 But but honestly guys that is not the best solution for Monero 08:17.710 --> 08:24.290 Fluffy pony right now put out a a proposal based on research that has been done 08:24.290 --> 08:28.910 Already that published research academic research of detective mining 08:28.910 --> 08:33.730 I think that proposal is incredible for the Monero community. There's a very 08:35.370 --> 08:38.370 Notable developer by the name of Tevador who in 08:38.950 --> 08:43.430 2022 put out a proposal to circumvent these type of attacks and just 08:43.950 --> 08:48.490 Yesterday or the day before he published on github a proposal. I think it's called them 08:48.490 --> 08:53.670 I'm sorry for the Monero bros if I butch butch your the name I thinking about a top my head is something brand new 08:53.670 --> 08:55.550 He came up with it's called um 08:56.890 --> 08:59.970 Prove or in publish. I think it's what it called prove or publish 08:59.970 --> 09:04.710 So there are amazing proposals right now which will mitigate these type of attacks 09:04.710 --> 09:09.490 Which will without ever having to give up on proof-of-work. So I 09:10.190 --> 09:13.850 Understand why a community like Zeno would want to embrace proof-of-stake 09:13.850 --> 09:19.090 Because the way that they it really had to do in my opinion with their two-market strategy 09:19.910 --> 09:23.310 It really had to do with the way that they embrace the market 09:23.310 --> 09:28.070 It really had to do in the way that that culture decided to embrace 09:28.750 --> 09:29.150 Um 09:31.750 --> 09:36.650 Well really it's more it's more fear of the reason why I ask is more because of a furo by the way 09:36.650 --> 09:41.310 Which because furo we had rubing app on the show the project steward for furo and 09:41.830 --> 09:46.890 He was saying how they had a 51 attack and in response to that they moved to this hybrid model 09:47.510 --> 09:51.890 So I thought that was an interesting idea and I asked Paul Pooley about it the CEO of edge wall 09:51.890 --> 09:56.950 And he's like yeah, that's basically what I think needs to happen with a lot of these proof-of-work coins 09:56.950 --> 10:01.430 But let's let's switch gears a little bit here. I want to go to this article 10:02.630 --> 10:03.110 from 10:04.170 --> 10:05.190 about the Trump 10:06.390 --> 10:08.470 Trump administration is dealing with cryptocurrency 10:09.310 --> 10:14.570 Now while while Alex is pulling that up ref. What other privacy coins do you like right now? 10:16.610 --> 10:21.630 Definitely pirate chain. I know it's see the thing about pirate chain is that it doesn't get a lot of our favorite 10:21.630 --> 10:25.830 It's one of our favorite. The funny thing about it is that it's like it's um 10:26.690 --> 10:33.210 Mastercard owns digital currency group. They're like the guys that funded it mastercard and digital currency group 10:33.210 --> 10:35.570 is really behind a 10:36.310 --> 10:39.670 lot of crypto innovation including Zcash, so 10:41.950 --> 10:47.690 Pirate chain is grassroots and and pirate chain is is a network that at this moment right now is 10:48.950 --> 10:54.810 Processes it is the most anonymous cryptocurrency in the world at this moment. Yes default privacy 10:54.810 --> 11:01.990 In anonymity set zero knowledge proofs meaning that there's like over 12 million decoys per transaction, right? 11:02.610 --> 11:06.010 Yeah, I geek out over pirate chain 11:06.870 --> 11:07.630 and 11:07.630 --> 11:12.990 Also pirate chain is already built has already within it a delayed proof-of-work 11:12.990 --> 11:19.550 Which anchors its blockchain to Komodo which also anchors that to 11:19.550 --> 11:26.510 Light coin so in order to 51% attack pirate chain in any way shape or form you would have to also 11:27.090 --> 11:33.790 51% attack light coin and Komodo. Yeah, so that is that is pretty that's very very genius 11:34.510 --> 11:37.170 That's something the Monero community has been also 11:37.950 --> 11:43.330 Debating as to whether that's that's something that they would want to incorporate into Monero the delayed proof-of-work 11:43.330 --> 11:49.450 To protect Monero even further from any possible. Yeah, it's like there's there's so many different 11:49.550 --> 11:56.490 You know ways to people are innovating and stuff like that such an it's such interesting because they're such a diverse amount of solutions 11:57.550 --> 12:02.970 All right, let's go to this this article here on Trump and what they've been up to and I want to get your reaction 12:04.130 --> 12:08.910 Adam do you want to read the first paragraph or so here for us? This is from invest Opedia 12:09.370 --> 12:14.130 The trumps are leaning further into crypto two new listings show just how far 12:14.930 --> 12:22.070 The Trump family keeps leaning into crypto this week has already offered two fresh examples a 12:22.070 --> 12:25.710 Bitcoin mining company linked to Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr 12:26.210 --> 12:32.130 American Bitcoin on Wednesday listed on the Nasdaq exchange using the ticker a BTC 12:32.130 --> 12:39.550 Not long after their venture world live Liberty financial went live with billions of associated token 12:41.350 --> 12:46.910 WLFI unlocking and now trading so now so now they they trade you can get that on coin base 12:46.910 --> 12:51.110 By the way, I got a notification that like world Liberty financials available on 12:52.570 --> 12:53.130 Coinbase 12:53.130 --> 12:57.930 You know Raph Eric Trump was spoke at the Bitcoin conference in Asia 12:57.930 --> 13:01.730 And one of the things he said was that the majority of his time is spent on crypto 13:02.290 --> 13:08.270 What's your take on the Trump's administration relationship with the crypto currency community? 13:09.550 --> 13:11.290 I think that they have no choice 13:12.170 --> 13:16.670 Any Paul any politician moving forward has no choice but to embrace crypto 13:17.330 --> 13:24.690 Crypto Bitcoin crypto in general is a weapon and we are blessed here in the audience watching this to actually be at the forefront of these 13:24.690 --> 13:30.350 Technologies these technologies are really just now getting started guys. Yeah, what we're seeing as the BTC pumped to 13:30.350 --> 13:33.650 100,000 in my opinion is nothing more than the 13:34.690 --> 13:38.990 Financial traditional financial sector pumping their version 13:39.850 --> 13:45.210 Bitcoin that does not obfuscate and and really mess with their business 13:45.890 --> 13:51.470 And I see it as a means for them to buy time to figure out with what to do next because there's these 13:52.030 --> 13:53.330 Giants like Monero 13:54.090 --> 13:57.690 Right right there all the privacy coin sector right there 13:57.690 --> 14:02.910 It's funny that people say, you know, you know a very smart Bitcoin or the moment that they start talking about 14:03.450 --> 14:04.850 Privacy coins. It's almost like 14:04.850 --> 14:10.970 Yes, you're right. I like that. It's almost like they started to think for themselves and really learn what 14:11.710 --> 14:16.770 BTC selling but not really delivering in the market, which is very very interesting, right? 14:17.190 --> 14:19.490 So there is no choice for any 14:20.430 --> 14:24.330 Politician or any government in the world but to embrace these technologies 14:24.330 --> 14:28.270 And I would like to argue that of the Biden administration 14:28.970 --> 14:34.450 embrace these technologies in a very schemie way by embracing 14:35.230 --> 14:38.950 FTX, Sam Beckman freed. Yeah, that was their dude 14:38.950 --> 14:44.410 through whom they allegedly laundered money in the Ukraine and 14:45.210 --> 14:52.470 I'd say I'd go even as far as to say that it was their allegiance to the centralized exchange called FTX that 14:53.050 --> 14:53.630 allowed 14:54.450 --> 15:00.150 That was probably more more likely one of the biggest reasons why the Democrats won the election 15:00.990 --> 15:03.970 And I say this along the same lines 15:03.970 --> 15:06.970 I would say that the one of the main reasons why Donald Trump and 15:07.910 --> 15:15.070 And his base won this election was because of their embrace of Bitcoin and of crypto in general 15:15.070 --> 15:15.670 That's right 15:15.670 --> 15:23.450 What's interesting about the Trump family and their embrace of crypto is that it was not what the BTC maximalists wanted them to do 15:23.450 --> 15:27.210 They embraced the entirety of the space 15:27.830 --> 15:31.610 Trump put out a meme coin on the Solana blockchain. Let's not forget that 15:31.610 --> 15:38.590 Yes, he chose Solana over BTC BTC right now has as much smart contract 15:39.130 --> 15:44.850 Capabilities as Ethereum. So Ethereum is no longer unique in this world of smart contracts 15:44.850 --> 15:50.850 Like I arguably BTC is a better place to do smart contracts because of the hash power 15:50.850 --> 15:57.170 Let's go back to the conversation, you know, bring back the notion of proof of work proof of work protects us its energy 15:57.810 --> 15:59.410 spent and 15:59.410 --> 16:03.930 And the in detail and the data that goes on the BTC blockchain is 16:04.810 --> 16:08.890 Data that could not be removed from the BTC blockchain 16:09.690 --> 16:14.590 At all it's it lives on chain guys. That's very important. Whereas data 16:15.370 --> 16:17.470 That is embraced by within the 16:17.970 --> 16:25.670 Ethereum network is data that lives outside of the Ethereum blockchain and not really that it matters because 16:26.190 --> 16:30.750 Ethereum is proof of stake. The same thing goes for Solana 16:30.750 --> 16:36.950 The data is not on chain in Solana. Sure Solana is cheaper faster more efficient 16:38.710 --> 16:43.450 But it's it's it's the data is outside so when we talk about a world of data 16:43.450 --> 16:46.450 Where it is that the not the privacy 16:46.450 --> 16:51.950 I'm not talking about the privacy coin world that seeks individual private sovereignty 16:51.950 --> 16:57.160 I'm talking about the the big tech world the government world the world that wants to 16:59.030 --> 17:03.890 That is competing in how people connect with each other that world 17:04.750 --> 17:05.170 desires 17:06.410 --> 17:13.270 Ford for um is on a race to provide better data solutions for people in the market and 17:13.970 --> 17:16.960 so proof of work plays a role there and 17:17.750 --> 17:21.470 and so I honestly think that we are in a 17:22.990 --> 17:25.190 Big the big rift here 17:27.490 --> 17:33.510 That we find is is that we have a world that is we come from a proof of stake world 17:33.510 --> 17:37.230 That's something we have to remember the world we all come from is a proof of stake world 17:37.230 --> 17:43.270 Like I gave you the example with Warren Buffett majority shareholders of an entity take the lion's share 17:43.270 --> 17:48.670 They control the path of discovery in the market for that product or business idea or venture 17:49.570 --> 17:54.990 The genius of Satoshi and introducing proof of work is is that now it invites everyone? 17:55.690 --> 18:03.410 It is open competition for everyone to participate in the governance securing of a network and and that is something very important 18:03.410 --> 18:04.730 um, so 18:04.730 --> 18:08.110 the Trump family is discovering something that 18:08.110 --> 18:11.330 If you get a chance to read listen to the audiobook 18:11.330 --> 18:18.370 I highly advise everybody to read this listen to it major Lori who is of MIT 18:18.370 --> 18:23.850 He's also one of the captains of space force in the US government, right? Like we need another 18:24.770 --> 18:33.050 Military unit space force, right major Lori wrote a book called soft war and that book is about the importance of 18:33.050 --> 18:38.490 Hashpower the importance of proof of work as a weapon. Yeah, dude. This is huge 18:38.490 --> 18:45.150 You have to listen to the audiobook if you don't have the time to sit down and and and and read it for yourself 18:45.150 --> 18:50.510 But everyone should become acquainted with the book soft war by major Lori 18:51.510 --> 18:52.030 Okay 18:52.750 --> 18:56.290 Because he talks about how proof of work is a weapon 18:57.030 --> 19:03.470 It's a weapon that is that we that people have to know about and it's a weapon that could be embraced for good or evil 19:04.890 --> 19:08.490 All right, well, you know the thing is this it's like look 19:09.010 --> 19:15.470 I'm sorry Donald Trump can have as many meme coins as he wants. He can you know rug pull all of his followers 19:15.470 --> 19:18.530 He can launch world liberty financial 19:19.730 --> 19:26.410 You know and this other this mining company that Eric Trump's involved with or whatever it was but until he 19:28.770 --> 19:34.290 Ends the war on crypto ends these persecutions Roman storm Alexi Percev 19:35.290 --> 19:37.250 You know Roger veer 19:37.970 --> 19:42.330 All these others, you know until he actually does the legwork. It's hard to take it seriously 19:42.330 --> 19:44.190 He's actually ended the war on crypto 19:44.190 --> 19:50.330 What do you think that these persecutions are gonna end under Trump because they don't seem he just his DOJ 19:50.330 --> 19:56.390 Just gave Roman storm five years in prison. So what is it? Like is he pro-crypto or is he 19:56.390 --> 20:00.830 Like he says he's pro-crypto, but he's still going after people in crypto. What's the deal? 20:01.490 --> 20:04.050 Everybody's pro-crypto. Let's get that right like 20:04.750 --> 20:12.870 Everyone is pro-crypto in the world right now now how what they're pro or against again these technologies are weapons 20:13.390 --> 20:14.750 That could be used 20:15.430 --> 20:18.310 With a purpose and a finality and ends 20:19.050 --> 20:25.350 That meets the demands of those who are using them. So these technologies North Korea 20:26.810 --> 20:30.550 CCP and China they will they're gonna want to use these technologies 20:30.830 --> 20:33.170 But they're gonna want to use these technologies for very 20:34.730 --> 20:37.670 In my opinion may may be very tyrannical 20:37.670 --> 20:41.530 Purposes they're still gonna use these blockchains for tyrannical purposes 20:41.530 --> 20:47.310 So the mark of the beast the mark of the beast will be implemented using these technologies 20:47.310 --> 20:53.910 If it ever happens if we allow it, but these technologies also offer us the opportunity to 20:54.710 --> 20:57.870 Create beautiful all deliverables in the water. I say like 20:58.510 --> 21:01.030 Then but they're also gonna use it against us 21:01.030 --> 21:07.010 But I think in the end the market innovates more quickly than the state does so I think we use these tools more efficiently 21:07.010 --> 21:13.970 Against them than they use against us. So where's the trunk family? Right like why why okay ask yourself? 21:14.950 --> 21:16.370 focus on this like 21:17.590 --> 21:23.210 You have to realize that whatever endeavor any politician or any government embraces within crypto 21:23.210 --> 21:27.170 Is one that is a that aligns with their incentives? 21:27.630 --> 21:32.790 So you cannot um if there's a cryptocurrency or crypto network that really? 21:33.430 --> 21:37.390 that the logical like game theory is is that it will 21:38.330 --> 21:41.670 Completely do away with the need of fiat currency 21:42.490 --> 21:46.590 More than likely a fiat run government one embrace that 21:46.590 --> 21:54.750 Right, but it but it but it but if there's a cryptocurrency out there that allows the government that allows the economy 21:54.750 --> 21:57.010 controlled by a government to 21:58.070 --> 22:00.950 Keep the same machinery of theft going 22:01.770 --> 22:04.590 while giving people the illusion of 22:05.350 --> 22:05.710 innovation 22:06.750 --> 22:10.210 That does not step in the toes of the fiat 22:10.210 --> 22:15.730 That slavery system well that that falls right in line with the what what you know with the game plan 22:15.730 --> 22:23.710 Yes, so I think I think the persecution for someone like Roger Vera is a persecution not because of his taxes. It's because 22:24.410 --> 22:28.310 He is he wrote a book that talks about 22:29.030 --> 22:31.190 Forbidden history regarding Bitcoin 22:31.890 --> 22:38.150 Forbidden history, you're right. Yeah, if more people know about this history regarding Bitcoin then 22:39.430 --> 22:40.710 Bitcoin could 22:41.650 --> 22:47.250 Actually, that knowledge could lead people to realize that these technologies can suck 22:48.190 --> 22:54.730 supplants fiat, you know right fiat itself and that is dangerous for the establishment and in reality in my opinion 22:54.730 --> 22:59.570 That's why the persecution for Roger is happening and curious enough 22:59.570 --> 23:01.770 You know Roger verus the type of guy who'll tell you right now 23:01.770 --> 23:06.310 He said it to you know to Tucker Carlson, right in his interview 23:06.310 --> 23:09.250 He said if I were to be promoting crypto right now 23:09.250 --> 23:15.770 I would feel ashamed to be promoting BTC I'd be promoting a privacy coin. I'd be promoting Monero, right? 23:15.830 --> 23:19.870 That's what he said, right? Yeah, so so you you know that you're ahead 23:19.870 --> 23:23.230 You know that you're where the market will eventually show up 23:24.390 --> 23:25.930 because you are 23:25.930 --> 23:28.070 logically consistent in 23:29.370 --> 23:32.430 Emphasizing what these technologies can really offer the world 23:33.330 --> 23:36.270 Well speaking of that I want to get your thoughts on this headline 23:37.010 --> 23:41.530 That we were showing off earlier regarding confidential layer and Zeno 23:42.070 --> 23:48.270 Can we pull that back up? I think we had it on when we were talking about Zena before Raf came on 23:52.150 --> 23:53.570 No it was 23:57.210 --> 23:59.330 The probably the one to tweet from me 24:02.530 --> 24:07.070 There you go. No, that's not the one. Let's see. No, that's not the one I 24:11.810 --> 24:21.110 Would go down. Yeah, that might be it. No, all right. Well, there was a tweet about 24:22.750 --> 24:25.410 It was saying something to the effect of a 24:26.790 --> 24:31.230 Lot of these blockchain analytic firms are sort of getting concerned about confidential layer 24:32.570 --> 24:32.970 Because 24:33.950 --> 24:36.090 Yeah, there you go. That's the one 24:37.270 --> 24:40.050 The headline is chain analysis firms 24:43.690 --> 24:49.710 Fear that Bitcoin users could turn to Zeno and confidential layer ending their ability to 24:50.250 --> 24:55.150 Track them on the blockchain. What do you think about using confidential layer as a solution to? 24:56.310 --> 25:01.290 You know everybody's transacting on these pseudonymous blockchains whether we like it or not Raf Bitcoin if 25:02.090 --> 25:05.210 You think confidential layer is a good way to shield these transactions 25:05.690 --> 25:09.450 You know coin mixers they gone after, you know with the wasabi walla guys 25:09.450 --> 25:13.410 They've gone after the tornado cash guys doesn't seem like coin mixers are gonna 25:14.350 --> 25:16.830 Pass the mustard test. What do you think about confidential layer? 25:18.330 --> 25:23.750 Are you asking me if they're gonna pass the test what it doesn't really I mean my opinion doesn't matter whether they pass 25:24.290 --> 25:30.570 Government's test. No, I'm saying like do you think confidential layer is a good solution to some to the fact that everybody's transacting? 25:31.410 --> 25:33.390 You know not that oh, yeah, definitely 25:33.770 --> 25:41.630 100% and so like the thing with with the embrace of crypto of a government like you said the Trump administrations 25:41.630 --> 25:43.090 embrace of crypto 25:43.690 --> 25:46.170 their embrace of crypto is 25:46.170 --> 25:48.010 one that is 25:48.810 --> 25:50.590 Like the leading horse 25:51.370 --> 25:52.090 to 25:52.690 --> 25:59.970 Something like confidential layer something like pirate chains something like Zeno something like Monero because once you open that 26:00.930 --> 26:05.010 Once they're giving the crypto space legitimacy right by saying well 26:05.010 --> 26:12.590 We now have the the world financial the global financial fund for the Trump family and and the and the and the strategic 26:12.590 --> 26:14.530 crypto reserve for the US 26:15.350 --> 26:17.630 They now have given permission 26:18.430 --> 26:20.250 for the minds of 26:20.250 --> 26:22.390 Actors within the market to say well 26:23.050 --> 26:29.770 Now how can I be first to the next wave of this technology and that's logically gonna lead them here 26:29.770 --> 26:30.610 so 26:31.970 --> 26:40.710 What this is very good because the incentives drive all of us to a freer world an embrace of freer markets 26:40.710 --> 26:41.610 so look 26:42.430 --> 26:48.510 Whatever the government embraces or doesn't embrace they have to be aware that in the free market 26:48.510 --> 26:54.110 They're gonna be solutions that are gonna offer people ultimate freedom. So if they still want to 26:54.830 --> 26:56.490 if they still want their 26:56.490 --> 27:04.630 The networks that they favor right now like a BTC like a Solana to remain at the top or an ethereum then they have to 27:05.490 --> 27:07.910 provide an atmosphere for those 27:08.530 --> 27:13.810 Networks to be as private as possible and as competitive as possible and 27:14.550 --> 27:22.810 So going after these developers of tornado, you know tornado cash ridiculous Solana was in my opinion a big mistake because 27:23.810 --> 27:25.730 What they did was that they 27:27.750 --> 27:32.450 Stripped these networks that they're now investing in from the 27:33.510 --> 27:34.230 From the 27:34.950 --> 27:38.770 Intellectual capital that these networks need in order to stay competitive 27:39.710 --> 27:43.690 Well, not even that but it's like a man. It's wild to me, right? It's like why would you do that? 27:43.730 --> 27:46.750 You're crippling your own investment, you know, well, it's not like thinking about this 27:46.750 --> 27:50.590 Who you have to be a nut to be a defi developer in the United States right now? 27:51.230 --> 27:54.930 Like you got to be crazy like they're gonna like I would if I was that was my job 27:54.930 --> 27:58.870 If I was a developer who's working on defi I'd be like I can't be the point 27:58.870 --> 27:59.710 I can be in the United States 27:59.710 --> 28:05.570 I'm gonna go through all this and go to jail and work endless nights developing every thing that they make you're gonna 28:05.570 --> 28:07.390 And then they shut you down like immediately 28:08.070 --> 28:09.970 That's why the US well 28:09.970 --> 28:15.310 Well, that's why the Alexi Perzsev case is so important in the Netherlands because if he wins and at least there will be a 28:15.310 --> 28:22.470 Place where defi developers can flee to but I do think that in the meantime confidential layer is a solid 28:23.110 --> 28:25.190 Stop-gap solution, you know 28:26.170 --> 28:30.270 Have you noticed that the crypto space has just gone has just given the world more and more freedom 28:31.990 --> 28:35.310 Endlessly ten years ago five years ago. We think we would even have this conversation 28:36.030 --> 28:38.850 Here's the problem though. They've yeah 28:39.410 --> 28:44.610 You know misrepresented it as like like when I talk to people about crypto and like, you know 28:44.610 --> 28:46.490 That's what how I thought about crypto 28:46.990 --> 28:50.270 They don't even know what privacy coins are when I explain to people 28:50.270 --> 28:53.230 They it's just all under one umbrella. It's like, oh, yeah 28:53.230 --> 28:57.750 It's well, he's saying like we're so early that at this point like if that's why I tell everybody 28:57.750 --> 29:01.210 The privacy coins are the best horse 29:02.250 --> 29:07.330 Utility is the important right of course of it because you otherwise people are just gonna think oh 29:07.330 --> 29:12.290 It's just a quick get rich quick scheme. 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We're getting to you for free 31:38.910 --> 31:45.130 And I think I think it's it's uh, yeah, we the world needs this man. Look. I it doesn't happen 31:45.130 --> 31:51.030 It doesn't help me you or anyone if we're the only ones that know about these technologies and the how they work 31:51.030 --> 31:54.430 um, if these technologies are used in a way that 31:54.430 --> 32:02.070 Inevitably leads leads the whole world to um slavery like what really matters most in crypto is 32:02.590 --> 32:07.430 your education and that you become as well-formed as possible because 32:08.170 --> 32:14.150 these technologies truly give you financial freedom, but not just monetarily also in 32:15.410 --> 32:16.610 movement in 32:16.610 --> 32:23.110 Privacy and in the way you you you deal with life in general where you truly are your own bank 32:23.110 --> 32:27.850 So it's the most important issue of our time a hundred percent, dude 32:27.850 --> 32:31.370 I mean I couldn't say it better myself a hundred percent. So, um 32:31.370 --> 32:35.110 You know, I would like to thank you Sal because you've been um 32:35.650 --> 32:41.030 Very instrumental in using your the genius that you have with your memes man 32:41.870 --> 32:47.570 Memes move the world. I communicate in 90% memes. I know basis 32:47.570 --> 32:53.270 They just say what you can't say, you know, it's more than just a sentence. That's why you know the 32:53.270 --> 32:59.690 You know, there's the government has books called, you know, I've looked into it like there's a great book 32:59.690 --> 33:02.970 I tell everybody to read called like war by singer and Brookings and 33:03.830 --> 33:10.390 It's actually frightening how the government manipulates social media and stuff like that. Well, guess what we manipulate it, too 33:10.390 --> 33:13.650 Yeah, and it's just like the same thing. We're talking about with blockchain, right Ralph 33:14.410 --> 33:16.870 There's this new technology comes out 33:17.590 --> 33:23.950 Whether it's a blockchain or encryption or this or that the government is going to use that against us, right? 33:23.950 --> 33:27.490 That's sure as shit. But you know what? We're gonna use it against them, too 33:27.490 --> 33:32.790 And history shows that the market is more efficient, right? So it's a great example. We already discussed it 33:32.790 --> 33:36.410 They could they go after Alexi Perth seven Roman storm for tornado cash 33:36.410 --> 33:41.330 These guys are the prosecution isn't even finished and we got confidential layers of solution to the problem 33:41.330 --> 33:46.790 We already have a new way of training already have one in the channel ready to go big go 33:46.790 --> 33:51.250 So that's that's really the power of agorism. That's the power of the black and green markets 33:51.250 --> 33:57.250 That's the power of civil disobedience and non-compliance, which is the the philosophies we stress here 33:57.250 --> 33:59.850 You're not gonna move the needle by voting 34:00.830 --> 34:03.250 You're not gonna vote move the needle by 34:03.890 --> 34:07.570 Playing in their rigged game if you knew a game of cards was rigged against you 34:09.530 --> 34:11.450 Like find the ball the cops 34:13.250 --> 34:17.650 They'll beat you every fucking time and if you beat them, they'll still take your money 34:17.650 --> 34:20.390 It's insane. I mean, let me do this 34:21.010 --> 34:24.610 Aggress move here, which is like if you guys appreciate the work that 34:24.610 --> 34:29.830 Sal and his companions do with the memes and promoting freedom and liberty you can put some money 34:30.370 --> 34:36.310 Back at them by if you like what we offer at the crypto vigilante signed up to crypto vigilante.io 34:36.310 --> 34:43.550 forward slash Sal s a L boom and that's his affiliate that sell the agorist affiliate doesn't cost you any extra 34:44.610 --> 34:47.290 Come again, it doesn't cost him any extra the same price 34:47.290 --> 34:51.830 It puts money in your pocket so it's a way for them to pay you 34:52.410 --> 34:57.550 And all I'm doing is buying more more more privacy coins with it. So it's helping you guys 34:57.550 --> 35:01.730 I mean, it's this is how we win. Yeah, it's a circle jerk 35:02.430 --> 35:06.890 But it's good for everyone. Yeah, and no it literally is how we win. It's the only way to win 35:07.950 --> 35:12.090 All right, Raph before I let you go. I got one more question for you. I got to ask you 35:12.750 --> 35:15.530 All right, wait one more time. Just summarize for me 35:16.190 --> 35:18.210 How people can sign up for this event? 35:19.190 --> 35:25.870 Go to TCVsummit.com and sign up. Okay, 97 bucks on top of that 35:25.870 --> 35:27.190 We'll throw the bonus which was 35:27.930 --> 35:31.570 299 for free, which is the crypto basics workshop 35:31.570 --> 35:37.530 Which is over six hours of education on everything you need to know on how to use crypto properly 35:38.050 --> 35:42.510 How to how to read the market properly and how to actually 35:42.510 --> 35:47.470 Analyze this the and how to use the tools that we're talking about right 35:48.050 --> 35:52.790 All right, well before we let you go first of all, let's go to questions real quick and comments 35:52.790 --> 35:57.590 See if we have anybody and if you have any questions for Raph, let us know any comments 35:58.210 --> 36:02.130 About what he said. There's few people who know crypto as well 36:04.970 --> 36:08.250 We have a legend captain who says 36:09.110 --> 36:12.350 TCVsummit.com that's why devs need to stay anonymous 36:13.310 --> 36:19.490 Yeah, you know, I'm not you know, look Alexi Perz seven Roman storm were I'm friends with Alexi 36:19.490 --> 36:24.750 I met him in Amsterdam. I spent time with him. He told me that they were him in Roman storm 36:24.750 --> 36:26.810 We're at a hackathon overseas and 36:27.810 --> 36:34.670 They came up with tornado cash and they won the hackathon and the government came after them, you know a bunch of you know years later 36:34.670 --> 36:35.970 I don't know if they were anonymous or not 36:35.970 --> 36:41.690 It's like being at the science project in school and the government the FBI show up at the school late, right? 36:42.130 --> 36:43.570 No, that's too good an idea 36:44.750 --> 36:51.050 Someone use your project I don't even believe you know this they just the whole thing is just so suspect 36:51.050 --> 36:52.170 It's absolutely ridiculous 36:52.170 --> 36:58.010 All right, but that's not what I want to ask you my final question Raph and we'll leave it on this note and 36:58.010 --> 37:01.490 You guys should be at the TCV summit. I'm gonna be speaking there 37:01.890 --> 37:06.490 I'm giving the keynote address which I'm honored to be to be doing. It's gonna be a blast 37:06.490 --> 37:09.010 It always is I've participated in this event 37:09.550 --> 37:11.930 Previous years and they always knock it out of the park 37:12.690 --> 37:17.910 Again, few people know and understand crypto as well as Raph and the people at TCV 37:17.910 --> 37:19.730 That's why I always had to have them on the show 37:21.590 --> 37:26.110 All right, so you're gonna go sign up as soon as we're done with the show, but first Raph 37:26.110 --> 37:31.250 Give me a dark horse coin. Give me one that you know, maybe I'm not thinking about that 37:31.250 --> 37:35.230 I should be adding to my portfolio anything anything out of the blue anything comes to your mind 37:36.270 --> 37:38.070 Dark horse as in like 37:38.070 --> 37:44.890 Of course you mean it's gonna make me money the for this the rest of this just a coin that you're confident in that most 37:44.890 --> 37:47.590 That a lot of people maybe maybe that isn't getting enough attention 37:50.190 --> 37:54.830 Coin that is not getting enough attention right now. Do you want me to go first? I have it 37:54.830 --> 37:57.210 I have my answer. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me 37:58.010 --> 38:04.690 Definitely while narrow. Wow narrow. Okay. Yeah, why because okay, so while narrow has already 38:04.690 --> 38:09.590 Implemented so what while narrow is kind of like the testing ground for the Monero community 38:09.590 --> 38:15.000 Where they do a lot of like they test things out into the future. So it's like Monero, but like 38:17.210 --> 38:18.430 Bleeding edge Monero 38:18.430 --> 38:20.310 So they already have 38:21.530 --> 38:23.390 Incorporated a a 38:23.390 --> 38:24.710 P2P mining 38:24.710 --> 38:30.550 Now there's a P2P pool in Monero, but they've already incorporated P2P mining in while narrow 38:30.550 --> 38:39.010 That's also something that could mitigate any 51% attack in Monero is implementing something like what while narrow is doing and 38:39.750 --> 38:40.070 so 38:40.830 --> 38:42.650 While narrow comes from the same 38:43.270 --> 38:47.530 Monero community. Oh well here. I'll give you I'll give you two more. You ready? 38:47.530 --> 38:51.490 I'll give you two more. Hit me with it. The other one is Tari 38:52.130 --> 38:54.550 Tari also comes from the Monero community 38:54.550 --> 39:02.090 It is the Ethereum of Monero and his merge mine with Monero is led by the previous ex 39:02.830 --> 39:07.110 core maintainer of the Monero project fluffy pointing himself himself Tari and 39:07.730 --> 39:12.890 I think I've been waiting on this project forever. I think that it's well done 39:13.490 --> 39:19.410 The part of me I'm intrigued. This is proof of work or yes, it's proof of work and so 39:19.770 --> 39:22.510 And I'm gonna give you another one. This is like a dark horse 39:22.510 --> 39:28.850 I guess not everyone knows about and it's a very niche community that is working on very 39:29.930 --> 39:32.010 Advanced things. Nobody really knows about it 39:32.010 --> 39:34.070 They don't even promote themselves as a privacy coin 39:34.070 --> 39:39.190 And that's last time I mentioned that aspect of them because they don't need to if you're smart 39:39.190 --> 39:40.910 You understand they don't want the heat, right? 39:42.890 --> 39:44.750 The network is called knock chain 39:45.870 --> 39:52.330 What no CK knock chain. It's the only he knows about this. I swear to God. This is why I haven't even heard these 39:53.830 --> 39:59.210 Hear about shit, but I don't know what it is. I have never even heard of this. Yeah knock chain 39:59.840 --> 40:03.070 Interesting. Yeah, so that's a zero knowledge proof of work 40:03.830 --> 40:09.870 So the hashing of the blockchain is a zero knowledge proof 40:09.870 --> 40:17.030 So every time a miner mines a block in knock chain. It is because it this it is it has 40:17.910 --> 40:23.830 Provided a need zero knowledge shielded work, right? It's sick. So in other words, it's like 40:23.830 --> 40:31.650 They're using zero knowledge proof in every aspect of right the network even in their mining 40:32.350 --> 40:35.370 So zero knowledge on steroids. Yeah 40:36.060 --> 40:42.630 And so a little background on on a knock chain knock chain was highly 40:42.630 --> 40:45.450 influenced by orbit you are 40:45.450 --> 40:51.630 BIT orbit was a movement where they wanted to decentralize computing in general 40:52.370 --> 40:57.640 Balaji and a lot of VCs funded the the orbit movement in crypto and 40:58.700 --> 41:03.680 Or bit is something that kind of died. There's like one maintainer of the project 41:03.680 --> 41:08.420 But it's no one's really doing anything with it. Well, what does this mean? 41:08.560 --> 41:14.760 What does this mean that you we really have the architecture in our home devices 10 if that we were to 41:15.560 --> 41:17.720 intelligently bring our devices together 41:18.960 --> 41:23.460 With through cryptography and doing the routing correctly like through a blockchain 41:23.460 --> 41:28.060 You would not have the need of having to rely on centralized databases 41:28.900 --> 41:30.100 So, right? 41:30.680 --> 41:32.640 That was the whole urban experience 41:33.560 --> 41:40.180 Experiments which still lives on and not chain came out as the as the blockchain for that 41:40.180 --> 41:46.130 Ecosystem now that ecosystem mutated and and mutated in 41:47.140 --> 41:48.100 alignment with 41:49.140 --> 41:50.100 which is 41:50.900 --> 41:52.420 this is like where all the 41:53.460 --> 41:56.940 Sometimes I feel I don't know if I should talk about these things 21e8 41:58.700 --> 41:59.860 Google 21e8 42:01.800 --> 42:02.960 21e8 is 42:05.880 --> 42:09.300 The this is where Bitcoin gets esoteric and this whole 42:10.160 --> 42:15.080 Reality of crypto cue the scary music Alex. Yeah, dude. It becomes 42:16.220 --> 42:18.880 21e8 becomes it's almost like 42:18.880 --> 42:23.480 Have you guys understand like the flower of life, right? The flower of life 42:23.480 --> 42:29.780 So it turns out that the way Satoshi gave us Bitcoin is is a mirror of the 42:29.780 --> 42:35.160 Flower of life digitally and it's a it's a perfect system that fractals 42:35.800 --> 42:42.720 Into eternity right and that every asked every every every manifestation of blockchain technology is a 42:42.720 --> 42:46.560 manifestation of the flower of life in one certain respect and 42:47.080 --> 42:51.940 The idea is that in the future all of these networks will come together as one network 42:51.940 --> 42:58.020 How crazy right? No, I dig it. I dig it. Yeah, so check this out. So 21e8, right? 42:58.200 --> 43:03.660 So you're gonna have like so the future of the internet is all of these networks coming together and they're full 43:05.160 --> 43:14.080 Potential so 21e8 comes out of the understanding that AI and these language models and the world of data 43:14.640 --> 43:15.520 arbitraging data 43:16.160 --> 43:17.440 needs to be 43:18.600 --> 43:20.660 Decentralized as well and there needs to be 43:21.760 --> 43:26.480 competitiveness on the peer-to-peer level when we talk about data because 43:27.130 --> 43:34.040 Financial sovereignty nowadays is also data sovereignty. You need both. You can't say I'm financially sovereign 43:34.040 --> 43:36.000 But you have a digital idea on your shoulder 43:37.140 --> 43:41.240 Privacy the privacy coin world is very aware of that, right? 43:41.240 --> 43:44.240 That's why we talk about the importance of narrow Zeno 43:44.940 --> 43:48.020 Hard though because you have to continue like when we talk about privacy 43:48.020 --> 43:49.140 It's it's what you know 43:49.140 --> 43:51.640 We're talking about it in the context of crypto currencies 43:51.640 --> 43:56.480 But it also applies to things like secure messaging and computing alright, and there's other 43:56.480 --> 44:03.960 Exactly, there's other aspects of this conversation energy. Yeah energy like all sorts of and we have it like just practical stuff too 44:03.960 --> 44:07.760 You know practical you hear a mind blown here talking about proof of work 44:08.600 --> 44:10.160 Computer science is energy 44:11.240 --> 44:14.160 The binary the zero one is nothing more than energy 44:14.800 --> 44:23.180 When we realize that that reality, bro of like that we're talking about energy and I have to write my man 44:23.180 --> 44:28.440 From binary from metal watt you guys want to be mind blown about a technology as 44:29.220 --> 44:34.580 Metal watt Google metal. All right. Well. Well, so so so you go ahead finish it though. I'm sorry 44:34.580 --> 44:36.500 We're moving into the electro dollar 44:37.600 --> 44:44.240 The electros well, yeah, we just had Aaron day here and that's what he was warning about too and and the coming technocracy 44:45.860 --> 44:50.460 There's a great book to us. Oh, of course it always is it always is it's a choice 44:50.460 --> 44:56.020 It's a choice and we have the tools and that's why I tell people cryptocurrency is a moral issue because 44:56.020 --> 45:02.980 You don't have to pay for their wars. You don't have to pay for Nancy Pelosi's stock portfolio, right? 45:02.980 --> 45:08.580 You don't you don't have to pay we have we have an op we have an alternative and then alternative are the things that me and 45:08.580 --> 45:14.070 Raffer talking about his three dark horses or wow narrow tarry and 45:17.260 --> 45:22.200 What was the third one wow narrow knock chain knock chain knock chain knock chain 45:22.200 --> 45:28.000 Wow narrow tarry and knock chain. All right. If I had to throw two in there they would be 45:30.020 --> 45:34.840 PIVX and Fero PIVX and Fero. We're going for old-school privacy coins here 45:36.480 --> 45:41.460 Please there's a huge dark horse that I want to know and I was just explaining it to you. It's 45:42.180 --> 45:42.700 218 45:44.400 --> 45:49.580 Wait, this is like this is the name study. This is the name of a cryptocurrency 45:51.100 --> 45:56.600 No, it's the name of a movement and then a computer architecture. Okay, okay? 45:59.460 --> 46:03.120 Other okay, okay, so Google 21. All right. All right. We're on it 46:04.340 --> 46:04.860 Raff 46:05.640 --> 46:11.900 Real quick final thoughts working people follow you and anything you would like to promote now is the time to 46:12.500 --> 46:13.560 Hit us with it 46:14.180 --> 46:18.920 Well, first off, thank you so much for for inviting me and thank you for everything 46:20.760 --> 46:27.240 Yeah, it's awesome to be here. 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