We're able to mimic Nessia Moon's voice by recreating his mouth and vocal chords with the 3d printer
It allowed them to produce a single sound Monero is what Bitcoin nubes think they bought
I'm doing great. I'm enjoying the end of the summer and
Getting ready for this the last leg of the bull run
Which is a great opportunity for us to teach people about privacy coins
What matters most in crypto? So how are you guys doing? I'm so happy to be here, dude
We appreciate your time and you are the go-to source when it comes to some of these subjects. So let's get right into it
You have an interesting point of view on this I guess it's sort of old news now this
Quote on quote 51% attack on Monero that took place. First of all, let me ask you were they 51'd?
Yes or no and why well tell us what happened
so what really happened was that there was a selfish mining attack and
They were able to reorganize six blocks
But in the Monero has built within it a a safety net of ten blocks
So they were never able to reorg more than ten blocks to begin with
second
It is it is even argued that in proof of work. You can't really
You could you could maybe
Attempt to hurt a blockchain, but you'll never be able to truly
Hurt a blockchain
So even the notion of a 20 or 51% attack within a proof of work network that is still contested as an idea that
that it that
The network itself is built to protect itself
So just like a selfish miner can attack a proof of work network
The honest and miners can also protect the network in the same way. So that's something to
I mean, they got a relatively high a high amount of hash rate
What was it like 38% or 28% something like that?
Yeah, but it was never a 51% attack in order for 51% attack have to happen
They have to take over to control the entire network for a long span of time and that really never happened
So bottom line is is Monero safe to use for agorists?
Yes, 100% okay. You heard it. You heard it guys. If anything if anything it made Monero
safer because the Monero community
has
The Monero community has within it the the culture
That they're more ready to tell you what could possibly go wrong with Monero than they are to tell you about how great
Monero is and that has to do with their adherence to the false ethos
And that's of something very particular to all the Monero. What is that?
What is the false ethos the free and open source software ethos that the um, it's it's the culture of peer review
The cypher punk for sort of fucking yes
Foundation outside of the outside of the Linux community when if you were to find the culture that very much honors that
Embrace of of peer review of the peer review process the community that embraces that the most is Monero and
Do you see another ever moving to a proof-of-stake or a hybrid proof-of-stake model? Do you ever see that happening? No, because
So what we are what we're what's happening is is that we're having a lot of healthy conversations about that and there's nothing wrong with researching that
Which is I think it's a very healthy conversation to have
However, the problem with proof-of-stake is that proof-of-stake
Inetivably
Accumulates power into fewer and fewer hands over time so I asked Andre save on the call of this
He was one of the writers of the crypto note code base
Helped get Monero off the ground he started Zeno and I said to him
I was like, you know, how do you respond because he's a big proof-of-stake guy
and it's how do you respond to this idea of
You know oligarchy, right? It's sort of you know power tens in the hands of a few
You have to wrap you know have a you know a master know whatever and he's like
So what he's like if you are a stakeholder shouldn't you be the one who has a stay, you know
It's sort of like the idea that property rights people who don't own property shouldn't be able to vote
What do you think I know we're getting a little off topic here, but you know, it's a perfect question to ask
The difference is is that once you have of the a majority stakeholder that cannot be outcompeted
Because they have a mass so much control over the network you take away the factor of
Umbrella competition from the network
The difference with pure proof-of-work, which is what Monero has stri has always strived strive for
especially with like random X is so that every
human person
can compete in
securing the network in offering
better service a better
Cheaper electricity cost it's not taking so that they can engage the network, you know and in the most free market way possible
Competition is the essence of proof-of-work
Built within proof-of-work. You will always find that the design it always
Favors the individual who at the present moment is contributing the best work to the network. It's right. It's a complete meritocracy. Yeah, so
when you
Expand that to to the mining world and and you allow a network to be
Extremely competitive the way that Monero allows it to be and what competitive means it means that anyone can compete in
Securing the network. That's what's beautiful about Monero
That's what's beautiful about how in Monero random X was embraced as the means by which any person in the world
CPU GPU mining can engage in securing the most people
Most people don't even think about that either and so there is no
So that's pretty much proof-of-stake does what the corporate model does which is for example warm Buffett
We'll always get the lion's share of coca-cola because warm Buffett is the majority stakeholder
Right, right, right the problem with that is is that if you if us three were to be hired by coca-cola tomorrow
And we come up with an amazing idea for coca-cola that cost
You know that that we lower costs for the company for the production that we increase revenue
We may get a bonus
But we are not ever going to make it more in the in the lion's share
That is held by this the stakeholders right the majority stakeholders of the company
so
The environment of a peer-proof of work allows everyone to compete and in a true meritocracy, and that's really what makes a
Bitcoin that's really what makes Monero especially very valuable very appealing because it's it's um
It's extremely laissez-faire now
Is there a good is this a good opportunity to revisit the concept of proof-of-stake sure um right now
Kayaba nerve
Luke Parker is putting out a CSS which is a community community Monero community
crowdfunding proposal where he's seeking to
Raise money raise Monero so that he can write a book about what he's proposing as the finality layer
Which is it's a way of people saying that well
It's a finality layer that is proof-of-stake, but it's not really proof-of-stake. It's just like
But but honestly guys that is not the best solution for Monero
Fluffy pony right now put out a a proposal based on research that has been done
Already that published research academic research of detective mining
I think that proposal is incredible for the Monero community. There's a very
Notable developer by the name of Tevador who in
2022 put out a proposal to circumvent these type of attacks and just
Yesterday or the day before he published on github a proposal. I think it's called them
I'm sorry for the Monero bros if I butch butch your the name I thinking about a top my head is something brand new
He came up with it's called um
Prove or in publish. I think it's what it called prove or publish
So there are amazing proposals right now which will mitigate these type of attacks
Which will without ever having to give up on proof-of-work. So I
Understand why a community like Zeno would want to embrace proof-of-stake
Because the way that they it really had to do in my opinion with their two-market strategy
It really had to do with the way that they embrace the market
It really had to do in the way that that culture decided to embrace
Um
Well really it's more it's more fear of the reason why I ask is more because of a furo by the way
Which because furo we had rubing app on the show the project steward for furo and
He was saying how they had a 51 attack and in response to that they moved to this hybrid model
So I thought that was an interesting idea and I asked Paul Pooley about it the CEO of edge wall
And he's like yeah, that's basically what I think needs to happen with a lot of these proof-of-work coins
But let's let's switch gears a little bit here. I want to go to this article
from
about the Trump
Trump administration is dealing with cryptocurrency
Now while while Alex is pulling that up ref. What other privacy coins do you like right now?
Definitely pirate chain. I know it's see the thing about pirate chain is that it doesn't get a lot of our favorite
It's one of our favorite. The funny thing about it is that it's like it's um
Mastercard owns digital currency group. They're like the guys that funded it mastercard and digital currency group
is really behind a
lot of crypto innovation including Zcash, so
Pirate chain is grassroots and and pirate chain is is a network that at this moment right now is
Processes it is the most anonymous cryptocurrency in the world at this moment. Yes default privacy
In anonymity set zero knowledge proofs meaning that there's like over 12 million decoys per transaction, right?
Yeah, I geek out over pirate chain
and
Also pirate chain is already built has already within it a delayed proof-of-work
Which anchors its blockchain to Komodo which also anchors that to
Light coin so in order to 51% attack pirate chain in any way shape or form you would have to also
51% attack light coin and Komodo. Yeah, so that is that is pretty that's very very genius
That's something the Monero community has been also
Debating as to whether that's that's something that they would want to incorporate into Monero the delayed proof-of-work
To protect Monero even further from any possible. Yeah, it's like there's there's so many different
You know ways to people are innovating and stuff like that such an it's such interesting because they're such a diverse amount of solutions
All right, let's go to this this article here on Trump and what they've been up to and I want to get your reaction
Adam do you want to read the first paragraph or so here for us? This is from invest Opedia
The trumps are leaning further into crypto two new listings show just how far
The Trump family keeps leaning into crypto this week has already offered two fresh examples a
Bitcoin mining company linked to Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr
American Bitcoin on Wednesday listed on the Nasdaq exchange using the ticker a BTC
Not long after their venture world live Liberty financial went live with billions of associated token
WLFI unlocking and now trading so now so now they they trade you can get that on coin base
By the way, I got a notification that like world Liberty financials available on
Coinbase
You know Raph Eric Trump was spoke at the Bitcoin conference in Asia
And one of the things he said was that the majority of his time is spent on crypto
What's your take on the Trump's administration relationship with the crypto currency community?
I think that they have no choice
Any Paul any politician moving forward has no choice but to embrace crypto
Crypto Bitcoin crypto in general is a weapon and we are blessed here in the audience watching this to actually be at the forefront of these
Technologies these technologies are really just now getting started guys. Yeah, what we're seeing as the BTC pumped to
100,000 in my opinion is nothing more than the
Financial traditional financial sector pumping their version
Bitcoin that does not obfuscate and and really mess with their business
And I see it as a means for them to buy time to figure out with what to do next because there's these
Giants like Monero
Right right there all the privacy coin sector right there
It's funny that people say, you know, you know a very smart Bitcoin or the moment that they start talking about
Privacy coins. It's almost like
Yes, you're right. I like that. It's almost like they started to think for themselves and really learn what
BTC selling but not really delivering in the market, which is very very interesting, right?
So there is no choice for any
Politician or any government in the world but to embrace these technologies
And I would like to argue that of the Biden administration
embrace these technologies in a very schemie way by embracing
FTX, Sam Beckman freed. Yeah, that was their dude
through whom they allegedly laundered money in the Ukraine and
I'd say I'd go even as far as to say that it was their allegiance to the centralized exchange called FTX that
allowed
That was probably more more likely one of the biggest reasons why the Democrats won the election
And I say this along the same lines
I would say that the one of the main reasons why Donald Trump and
And his base won this election was because of their embrace of Bitcoin and of crypto in general
That's right
What's interesting about the Trump family and their embrace of crypto is that it was not what the BTC maximalists wanted them to do
They embraced the entirety of the space
Trump put out a meme coin on the Solana blockchain. Let's not forget that
Yes, he chose Solana over BTC BTC right now has as much smart contract
Capabilities as Ethereum. So Ethereum is no longer unique in this world of smart contracts
Like I arguably BTC is a better place to do smart contracts because of the hash power
Let's go back to the conversation, you know, bring back the notion of proof of work proof of work protects us its energy
spent and
And the in detail and the data that goes on the BTC blockchain is
Data that could not be removed from the BTC blockchain
At all it's it lives on chain guys. That's very important. Whereas data
That is embraced by within the
Ethereum network is data that lives outside of the Ethereum blockchain and not really that it matters because
Ethereum is proof of stake. The same thing goes for Solana
The data is not on chain in Solana. Sure Solana is cheaper faster more efficient
But it's it's it's the data is outside so when we talk about a world of data
Where it is that the not the privacy
I'm not talking about the privacy coin world that seeks individual private sovereignty
I'm talking about the the big tech world the government world the world that wants to
That is competing in how people connect with each other that world
desires
Ford for um is on a race to provide better data solutions for people in the market and
so proof of work plays a role there and
and so I honestly think that we are in a
Big the big rift here
That we find is is that we have a world that is we come from a proof of stake world
That's something we have to remember the world we all come from is a proof of stake world
Like I gave you the example with Warren Buffett majority shareholders of an entity take the lion's share
They control the path of discovery in the market for that product or business idea or venture
The genius of Satoshi and introducing proof of work is is that now it invites everyone?
It is open competition for everyone to participate in the governance securing of a network and and that is something very important
um, so
the Trump family is discovering something that
If you get a chance to read listen to the audiobook
I highly advise everybody to read this listen to it major Lori who is of MIT
He's also one of the captains of space force in the US government, right? Like we need another
Military unit space force, right major Lori wrote a book called soft war and that book is about the importance of
Hashpower the importance of proof of work as a weapon. Yeah, dude. This is huge
You have to listen to the audiobook if you don't have the time to sit down and and and and read it for yourself
But everyone should become acquainted with the book soft war by major Lori
Okay
Because he talks about how proof of work is a weapon
It's a weapon that is that we that people have to know about and it's a weapon that could be embraced for good or evil
All right, well, you know the thing is this it's like look
I'm sorry Donald Trump can have as many meme coins as he wants. He can you know rug pull all of his followers
He can launch world liberty financial
You know and this other this mining company that Eric Trump's involved with or whatever it was but until he
Ends the war on crypto ends these persecutions Roman storm Alexi Percev
You know Roger veer
All these others, you know until he actually does the legwork. It's hard to take it seriously
He's actually ended the war on crypto
What do you think that these persecutions are gonna end under Trump because they don't seem he just his DOJ
Just gave Roman storm five years in prison. So what is it? Like is he pro-crypto or is he
Like he says he's pro-crypto, but he's still going after people in crypto. What's the deal?
Everybody's pro-crypto. Let's get that right like
Everyone is pro-crypto in the world right now now how what they're pro or against again these technologies are weapons
That could be used
With a purpose and a finality and ends
That meets the demands of those who are using them. So these technologies North Korea
CCP and China they will they're gonna want to use these technologies
But they're gonna want to use these technologies for very
In my opinion may may be very tyrannical
Purposes they're still gonna use these blockchains for tyrannical purposes
So the mark of the beast the mark of the beast will be implemented using these technologies
If it ever happens if we allow it, but these technologies also offer us the opportunity to
Create beautiful all deliverables in the water. I say like
Then but they're also gonna use it against us
But I think in the end the market innovates more quickly than the state does so I think we use these tools more efficiently
Against them than they use against us. So where's the trunk family? Right like why why okay ask yourself?
focus on this like
You have to realize that whatever endeavor any politician or any government embraces within crypto
Is one that is a that aligns with their incentives?
So you cannot um if there's a cryptocurrency or crypto network that really?
that the logical like game theory is is that it will
Completely do away with the need of fiat currency
More than likely a fiat run government one embrace that
Right, but it but it but it but if there's a cryptocurrency out there that allows the government that allows the economy
controlled by a government to
Keep the same machinery of theft going
while giving people the illusion of
innovation
That does not step in the toes of the fiat
That slavery system well that that falls right in line with the what what you know with the game plan
Yes, so I think I think the persecution for someone like Roger Vera is a persecution not because of his taxes. It's because
He is he wrote a book that talks about
Forbidden history regarding Bitcoin
Forbidden history, you're right. Yeah, if more people know about this history regarding Bitcoin then
Bitcoin could
Actually, that knowledge could lead people to realize that these technologies can suck
supplants fiat, you know right fiat itself and that is dangerous for the establishment and in reality in my opinion
That's why the persecution for Roger is happening and curious enough
You know Roger verus the type of guy who'll tell you right now
He said it to you know to Tucker Carlson, right in his interview
He said if I were to be promoting crypto right now
I would feel ashamed to be promoting BTC I'd be promoting a privacy coin. I'd be promoting Monero, right?
That's what he said, right? Yeah, so so you you know that you're ahead
You know that you're where the market will eventually show up
because you are
logically consistent in
Emphasizing what these technologies can really offer the world
Well speaking of that I want to get your thoughts on this headline
That we were showing off earlier regarding confidential layer and Zeno
Can we pull that back up? I think we had it on when we were talking about Zena before Raf came on
No it was
The probably the one to tweet from me
There you go. No, that's not the one. Let's see. No, that's not the one I
Would go down. Yeah, that might be it. No, all right. Well, there was a tweet about
It was saying something to the effect of a
Lot of these blockchain analytic firms are sort of getting concerned about confidential layer
Because
Yeah, there you go. That's the one
The headline is chain analysis firms
Fear that Bitcoin users could turn to Zeno and confidential layer ending their ability to
Track them on the blockchain. What do you think about using confidential layer as a solution to?
You know everybody's transacting on these pseudonymous blockchains whether we like it or not Raf Bitcoin if
You think confidential layer is a good way to shield these transactions
You know coin mixers they gone after, you know with the wasabi walla guys
They've gone after the tornado cash guys doesn't seem like coin mixers are gonna
Pass the mustard test. What do you think about confidential layer?
Are you asking me if they're gonna pass the test what it doesn't really I mean my opinion doesn't matter whether they pass
Government's test. No, I'm saying like do you think confidential layer is a good solution to some to the fact that everybody's transacting?
You know not that oh, yeah, definitely
100% and so like the thing with with the embrace of crypto of a government like you said the Trump administrations
embrace of crypto
their embrace of crypto is
one that is
Like the leading horse
to
Something like confidential layer something like pirate chains something like Zeno something like Monero because once you open that
Once they're giving the crypto space legitimacy right by saying well
We now have the the world financial the global financial fund for the Trump family and and the and the and the strategic
crypto reserve for the US
They now have given permission
for the minds of
Actors within the market to say well
Now how can I be first to the next wave of this technology and that's logically gonna lead them here
so
What this is very good because the incentives drive all of us to a freer world an embrace of freer markets
so look
Whatever the government embraces or doesn't embrace they have to be aware that in the free market
They're gonna be solutions that are gonna offer people ultimate freedom. So if they still want to
if they still want their
The networks that they favor right now like a BTC like a Solana to remain at the top or an ethereum then they have to
provide an atmosphere for those
Networks to be as private as possible and as competitive as possible and
So going after these developers of tornado, you know tornado cash ridiculous Solana was in my opinion a big mistake because
What they did was that they
Stripped these networks that they're now investing in from the
From the
Intellectual capital that these networks need in order to stay competitive
Well, not even that but it's like a man. It's wild to me, right? It's like why would you do that?
You're crippling your own investment, you know, well, it's not like thinking about this
Who you have to be a nut to be a defi developer in the United States right now?
Like you got to be crazy like they're gonna like I would if I was that was my job
If I was a developer who's working on defi I'd be like I can't be the point
I can be in the United States
I'm gonna go through all this and go to jail and work endless nights developing every thing that they make you're gonna
And then they shut you down like immediately
That's why the US well
Well, that's why the Alexi Perzsev case is so important in the Netherlands because if he wins and at least there will be a
Place where defi developers can flee to but I do think that in the meantime confidential layer is a solid
Stop-gap solution, you know
Have you noticed that the crypto space has just gone has just given the world more and more freedom
Endlessly ten years ago five years ago. We think we would even have this conversation
Here's the problem though. They've yeah
You know misrepresented it as like like when I talk to people about crypto and like, you know
That's what how I thought about crypto
They don't even know what privacy coins are when I explain to people
They it's just all under one umbrella. It's like, oh, yeah
It's well, he's saying like we're so early that at this point like if that's why I tell everybody
The privacy coins are the best horse
Utility is the important right of course of it because you otherwise people are just gonna think oh
It's just a quick get rich quick scheme. It's like no it literally gives you freedom
You gotta explain that to people few people do as good of a job at explaining this to everyone as the folks at the
Crypto vigilante ref you've got an event coming up with some interesting speakers
Some some real some real degenerate people
Wasn't why wasn't I invited fuck? Oh, you're inviting me
Sal's keynote
shots at the event so you better talk to cells about keynote speaker
Tell us about the event when is it how can people watch and
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So it's the most important issue of our time a hundred percent, dude
I mean I couldn't say it better myself a hundred percent. So, um
You know, I would like to thank you Sal because you've been um
Very instrumental in using your the genius that you have with your memes man
Memes move the world. I communicate in 90% memes. I know basis
They just say what you can't say, you know, it's more than just a sentence. That's why you know the
You know, there's the government has books called, you know, I've looked into it like there's a great book
I tell everybody to read called like war by singer and Brookings and
It's actually frightening how the government manipulates social media and stuff like that. Well, guess what we manipulate it, too
Yeah, and it's just like the same thing. We're talking about with blockchain, right Ralph
There's this new technology comes out
Whether it's a blockchain or encryption or this or that the government is going to use that against us, right?
That's sure as shit. But you know what? We're gonna use it against them, too
And history shows that the market is more efficient, right? So it's a great example. We already discussed it
They could they go after Alexi Perth seven Roman storm for tornado cash
These guys are the prosecution isn't even finished and we got confidential layers of solution to the problem
We already have a new way of training already have one in the channel ready to go big go
So that's that's really the power of agorism. That's the power of the black and green markets
That's the power of civil disobedience and non-compliance, which is the the philosophies we stress here
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I mean, it's this is how we win. Yeah, it's a circle jerk
But it's good for everyone. Yeah, and no it literally is how we win. It's the only way to win
All right, Raph before I let you go. I got one more question for you. I got to ask you
All right, wait one more time. Just summarize for me
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See if we have anybody and if you have any questions for Raph, let us know any comments
About what he said. There's few people who know crypto as well
We have a legend captain who says
TCVsummit.com that's why devs need to stay anonymous
Yeah, you know, I'm not you know, look Alexi Perz seven Roman storm were I'm friends with Alexi
I met him in Amsterdam. I spent time with him. He told me that they were him in Roman storm
We're at a hackathon overseas and
They came up with tornado cash and they won the hackathon and the government came after them, you know a bunch of you know years later
I don't know if they were anonymous or not
It's like being at the science project in school and the government the FBI show up at the school late, right?
No, that's too good an idea
Someone use your project I don't even believe you know this they just the whole thing is just so suspect
It's absolutely ridiculous
All right, but that's not what I want to ask you my final question Raph and we'll leave it on this note and
You guys should be at the TCV summit. I'm gonna be speaking there
I'm giving the keynote address which I'm honored to be to be doing. It's gonna be a blast
It always is I've participated in this event
Previous years and they always knock it out of the park
Again, few people know and understand crypto as well as Raph and the people at TCV
That's why I always had to have them on the show
All right, so you're gonna go sign up as soon as we're done with the show, but first Raph
Give me a dark horse coin. Give me one that you know, maybe I'm not thinking about that
I should be adding to my portfolio anything anything out of the blue anything comes to your mind
Dark horse as in like
Of course you mean it's gonna make me money the for this the rest of this just a coin that you're confident in that most
That a lot of people maybe maybe that isn't getting enough attention
Coin that is not getting enough attention right now. Do you want me to go first? I have it
I have my answer. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me
Definitely while narrow. Wow narrow. Okay. Yeah, why because okay, so while narrow has already
Implemented so what while narrow is kind of like the testing ground for the Monero community
Where they do a lot of like they test things out into the future. So it's like Monero, but like
Bleeding edge Monero
So they already have
Incorporated a a
P2P mining
Now there's a P2P pool in Monero, but they've already incorporated P2P mining in while narrow
That's also something that could mitigate any 51% attack in Monero is implementing something like what while narrow is doing and
so
While narrow comes from the same
Monero community. Oh well here. I'll give you I'll give you two more. You ready?
I'll give you two more. Hit me with it. The other one is Tari
Tari also comes from the Monero community
It is the Ethereum of Monero and his merge mine with Monero is led by the previous ex
core maintainer of the Monero project fluffy pointing himself himself Tari and
I think I've been waiting on this project forever. I think that it's well done
The part of me I'm intrigued. This is proof of work or yes, it's proof of work and so
And I'm gonna give you another one. This is like a dark horse
I guess not everyone knows about and it's a very niche community that is working on very
Advanced things. Nobody really knows about it
They don't even promote themselves as a privacy coin
And that's last time I mentioned that aspect of them because they don't need to if you're smart
You understand they don't want the heat, right?
The network is called knock chain
What no CK knock chain. It's the only he knows about this. I swear to God. This is why I haven't even heard these
Hear about shit, but I don't know what it is. I have never even heard of this. Yeah knock chain
Interesting. Yeah, so that's a zero knowledge proof of work
So the hashing of the blockchain is a zero knowledge proof
So every time a miner mines a block in knock chain. It is because it this it is it has
Provided a need zero knowledge shielded work, right? It's sick. So in other words, it's like
They're using zero knowledge proof in every aspect of right the network even in their mining
So zero knowledge on steroids. Yeah
And so a little background on on a knock chain knock chain was highly
influenced by orbit you are
BIT orbit was a movement where they wanted to decentralize computing in general
Balaji and a lot of VCs funded the the orbit movement in crypto and
Or bit is something that kind of died. There's like one maintainer of the project
But it's no one's really doing anything with it. Well, what does this mean?
What does this mean that you we really have the architecture in our home devices 10 if that we were to
intelligently bring our devices together
With through cryptography and doing the routing correctly like through a blockchain
You would not have the need of having to rely on centralized databases
So, right?
That was the whole urban experience
Experiments which still lives on and not chain came out as the as the blockchain for that
Ecosystem now that ecosystem mutated and and mutated in
alignment with
which is
this is like where all the
Sometimes I feel I don't know if I should talk about these things 21e8
Google 21e8
21e8 is
The this is where Bitcoin gets esoteric and this whole
Reality of crypto cue the scary music Alex. Yeah, dude. It becomes
21e8 becomes it's almost like
Have you guys understand like the flower of life, right? The flower of life
So it turns out that the way Satoshi gave us Bitcoin is is a mirror of the
Flower of life digitally and it's a it's a perfect system that fractals
Into eternity right and that every asked every every every manifestation of blockchain technology is a
manifestation of the flower of life in one certain respect and
The idea is that in the future all of these networks will come together as one network
How crazy right? No, I dig it. I dig it. Yeah, so check this out. So 21e8, right?
So you're gonna have like so the future of the internet is all of these networks coming together and they're full
Potential so 21e8 comes out of the understanding that AI and these language models and the world of data
arbitraging data
needs to be
Decentralized as well and there needs to be
competitiveness on the peer-to-peer level when we talk about data because
Financial sovereignty nowadays is also data sovereignty. You need both. You can't say I'm financially sovereign
But you have a digital idea on your shoulder
Privacy the privacy coin world is very aware of that, right?
That's why we talk about the importance of narrow Zeno
Hard though because you have to continue like when we talk about privacy
It's it's what you know
We're talking about it in the context of crypto currencies
But it also applies to things like secure messaging and computing alright, and there's other
Exactly, there's other aspects of this conversation energy. Yeah energy like all sorts of and we have it like just practical stuff too
You know practical you hear a mind blown here talking about proof of work
Computer science is energy
The binary the zero one is nothing more than energy
When we realize that that reality, bro of like that we're talking about energy and I have to write my man
From binary from metal watt you guys want to be mind blown about a technology as
Metal watt Google metal. All right. Well. Well, so so so you go ahead finish it though. I'm sorry
We're moving into the electro dollar
The electros well, yeah, we just had Aaron day here and that's what he was warning about too and and the coming technocracy
There's a great book to us. Oh, of course it always is it always is it's a choice
It's a choice and we have the tools and that's why I tell people cryptocurrency is a moral issue because
You don't have to pay for their wars. You don't have to pay for Nancy Pelosi's stock portfolio, right?
You don't you don't have to pay we have we have an op we have an alternative and then alternative are the things that me and
Raffer talking about his three dark horses or wow narrow tarry and
What was the third one wow narrow knock chain knock chain knock chain knock chain
Wow narrow tarry and knock chain. All right. If I had to throw two in there they would be
PIVX and Fero PIVX and Fero. We're going for old-school privacy coins here
Please there's a huge dark horse that I want to know and I was just explaining it to you. It's
218
Wait, this is like this is the name study. This is the name of a cryptocurrency
No, it's the name of a movement and then a computer architecture. Okay, okay?
Other okay, okay, so Google 21. All right. All right. We're on it
Raff
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