The question was, I had, we were using snifers and we were mostly, I was doing the scam to get the cards.
And after a while, you know, you're stupid.
You're 16, 17, you're making all this money.
You start getting lazy, you know, you start making mistakes.
You know, I have my friend, he got arrested.
So that set the leg.
I got away from the card game, turned 18, moved to Austin, Texas, and lived in a pump rock house on the floor for about two years.
It was pretty awesome.
You had a couple of traveling countries.
But there's no money in there.
Zero money.
So I had to get back into it.
So after two, three years, Bitcoin was coming around.
You no longer needed evil.
You could do these transactions with Bitcoin.
I saw the Silk Road for the first time.
I thought it was just amazing.
You know, they did a bad rap, but they started at marketplaces, especially across the vision on that.
They made the purchase of drugs a lot safer.
So I was talking to somebody, you know, I was saying,
when you go, when you go give your local dealer a one-star review,
the best thing that happens is probably not your teeth.
So, you know, you can have this, you know, you can review it.
Everybody can do exchanges.
It's a very safe place.
There's not really no violence to it.
So I thought that was really cool.
But again, I have to make money.
So I started looking at these places.
And Silk Road wouldn't allow parties at the time.
So I'm very lucky.
Okay. I think I'm just going to start.
Including the best I can see.
I'm going to catch the positive end of this.
And that's just part of my motivation.
And through that, I just shot off.
So it would always be do the fishing.
I would, you know, try to figure out the best way to constantly progress, you know.
So there was a Firefox tab that they put on top where you could clone the site.
You didn't link everything together.
You didn't have to be able to do it.
So all you had to do is put your site up there, put the wallet, you know, some Q-mark.
You didn't even have to change the wallet addresses at the time.
And it would be easy money.
So the market site goes, right?
So as you know, Silk Road got busted.
And everybody was there, you know.
Back then, Bitcoin exchanges would have corrected ties to them.
So Bitcoin would fall too, you know.
And it was crazy.
I thought it was for sure the end.
And then like, those were like two days later, Silk Road two pops back up.
Where they brought it back.
And that stayed around for a while.
So then I realized, you know, hey, these drug guys aren't going anywhere.
This is good to be here a while.
You know, like, okay, this is the wrong way to make my money.
Then after the fall of Silk Road two, and the other markets that were coming up, you know, I would say Praxis.
You know, Black Bay, it was beautiful.
They all started popping.
And then from there, I noticed on tour, it was tour party floor.
So I've got to meet people on there.
I had a background in regards.
A new couple of people on there.
But I noticed that the skill level there was a lot higher.
It's a lot better.
And I realized, you know, hey, I'm going to really have to work at this if I'm going to be getting anything out of it.
So I got back in the car and again, I was getting second hand cards, selling them.
It was a really big thing back then.
Who becomes the owner of Alpha Day was a carter too.
And he literally wrote the book on credit card fraud.
That was back then when people were being strike, you know.
You get the credit card reader, you get the cards.
You make your cards all day long.
The strike, you get them all back.
So, I started selling cards on evolution.
I got through with some people.
And then the Bay Exxon schemes.
These are just the natural cycles of color markets and evolution places.
Work on these things.
There's a timeline.
I started, I would say about four years before we probably invested something out of it.
So Alpha Day came on.
Back then you wanted to do like an eBay trading stuff, like get auctions and stuff.
Nobody was using it.
And to me, I was trying to find another way to make money.
I was trying to figure it out.
I tried to sell drugs.
Now, when I say try, it was successful, but it was way more worth than I thought.
I remember making my account on Alpha Day.
You know, making it really cool with like the AK guns.
You know, all the kind of profile.
Making it look like somebody could buy something.
One day, I logged on.
And my account flooded with orders.
I said, how the hell did this happen?
You know, and I realized Deep Top Web put my vendor profile on it.
And it made the article say how to buy something out of it.
In fact, then I was selling cocaine.
I realized there was one for 90 grand and I could get it for 15.
I was like, I'm going to just completely pillage it with pink money.
Little did I know, put drugs in boxes a lot.
This is a lot of work.
You get them with double gloves.
You got to have acting skills things.
Like, he used gloves when I put them in like rocks or inside of it.
Pants, pockets, and jeans and put them in flat rate cards.
It was nice, I mean like almost like 150,000 in six months.
It was pretty cool.
I even had like a little local biker game trucking off my packages.
A little mini lot Escobar.
And then, and the thing too is that I used to get it from Linz.
It's this cartel that you can use it in.
And they were, they loved me.
You know, come back with the money early.
And then I showed them.
They were like, how can you get rid of this so quick?
You know, I'm now, I feel like I'm coming right back.
You know, I brought my laptop.
I'm like, I'm selling it on here.
And this guy was just like completely more equal.
He used to own them.
You know, in Houston they had these after-hour clubs.
After the bars closed, bad clubs after hours.
You go to these clubs and they'll be like wine.
Out of the bathroom, it's actually some guy serving a coke bag in the toilet.
So that guy, they liked it.
But you know, again, if it became too much work,
they just didn't want to do it.
So I got into, this was around off the bay.
And at this time it was on its rise.
On the rise of the off the bay,
they had a guy who trapped him.
He was the PR.
Anyway, he wasn't making enough money.
I talked to him.
He wasn't happy with the money he was making.
So I had some parties and I was like,
I'm not doing the coke thing anymore.
And he gave me, he was mad at the outfit too bad.
And he gave me the website.
He said, this is typical of his website.
And this is all this.
And here's all this information.
Give it to me for a couple of parts.
He sold out the boss over.
I think I gave him like 10 parts.
So what did I do?
Go to Alpha 2 and I give him, hey, this is what I got.
And then he says, how much?
I'm like, oh nice.
Money.
So I was like, I just told him out there,
he was 5K.
He did it.
And I knew I had some.
I didn't know what.
He was painting this money.
The site where it was registered, it was registered.
I think it was in red here.
It was close enough for it.
We did this all on red tip.
Remember dark red?
Markets on red.
Alpha 2 was getting it started through red here.
And I had a friend that I probably had.
And I told him, hey, this guy named Kinger,
he was having problems with him as well.
So I brought him in and he completely backs down.
He was going to teach me some advanced scanning techniques.
And he only got halfway through this call.
But he was exploring what we got him as well.
It was nice.
I mean, I felt that I was dating a Marxist lettuce at the time.
So I'm in the living room.
I'm like, man, I hope this guy's not I've got to do,
but kill himself or something to get him to explore this.
He's fine.
So those things like dating,
they're not going to call the cops because they hate them.
And you know, she would always tell me, you know,
you think you can exist for, yeah,
she would sit with this crypto coin
that I could struggle outside the system.
I'm like, I'm not working.
I'm getting these points.
I think I'm doing pretty good.
That one.
So I think Joseph Fox, I think Kinger,
the guy Kinger contacted this guy Joseph Fox
and he made an article that was, hey,
you know, pretty much about him getting extorted.
And that guy was the one that pissed off at him, too.
And he went and changed as we tried to make it seem like
he's no longer there and he came back as admin.
So if anybody wants to know why that happened,
it's because on the back end he was getting extorted.
And it would be like, you know,
I feel like 10 grand a day handed over, you know, and he would.
And then that article came out and he stopped.
So there, that's why I got that stuff,
so how to find something else.
This was about 2015 or so.
The market was still going.
I just moved from Washington, D.C.
I was living in the Columbia Heights neighborhood
and I walked by this place called The Diner
and I noticed they had Bitcoin and ATM in there.
I was like, okay, cool.
So I go and get hired at the place
so I could stake up the ATM.
And if you know anything about The Diner
and D.C. back at that time,
they actually had four devices.
It was open 24-7.
So it's the only restaurant I've ever been to
that had four people.
They were like bouncers.
And the cool thing about it too
is I would know who was coming in
and let someone watch who was getting all the money out
or I would know that if I did a big, you know,
transaction advocate because, you know,
I would come to those Bitcoin and ATM
to get a bunch of money,
pull the bag and it would all shoot out.
I did that once at the H.R. Brown Center
in Houston.
I think I got that nine grand out of it.
It was the convention center like this.
Everybody was in suits.
I walked over there, flip-flops,
just got out of the back of the bag.
All the suits are in the Starbucks.
I'm like, hold me.
I'm doing it all.
Pull up the bag.
Different dishes are incomplete.
They're perplexed.
So, at this time, Alpha Bay is positive.
You know, I realized that I hate working.
So I put that job.
But I managed to stick a sneak of U.S.E.
into the network, into the closet network,
and then also into the management,
pop the bag and get U.S.B. into that Bitcoin machine.
You had access to the POS system.
You know, I did a bunch of not-cool things, you know.
All right.
So, during this time,
everybody was, the way that all the stuff
I had out there was on our darknet markets.
And then, you know, they had enough.
And they put this out.
So it was the start and the end.
It's like a dark-net reddit,
but way better, way cooler.
It's not full of, like, you know, punch-up.
They let you do whatever you can.
You can talk about what it would be more in.
You know, they're not going to, like,
you're really going to just let your way get there
and you're talking about them.
But it was started by the hub company.
Now, there is relapse.
Everybody knows that
he pretty much birthed the market place.
But I would say the most important,
especially the last since it existed,
was hub company.
Dread and infrastructure, they provided
and all the stuff that they do
for the community harm reduction.
All of this was created.
It went from a chaotic place
to some sort of order.
And, you know, the market had to be verified
and they could, you know,
it was a place to guard the community.
So I was a bit taken aback yesterday.
On the stage, Roger the tour developer would say,
those dark-net guys are nothing.
We just leave them over there.
Don't worry, they never,
they never helped tour at all.
And I thought a hub owner
would get a laugh at that.
So I got something to say
in his review between Roger the tour developer
talking about,
there's a degausser
that sent him 10k
and the guy was talking about how he sent it to a part moment
and didn't use the money.
You know, I knew actually another deal up to now.
But, hub owners' response
to the tour dev
is the tour product received
well over six figures directly
due to an issue that flaunts my grant,
including internal fundraisers,
to track the cost problems.
They gladly accepted these funds.
Most of them submitted by television marketplaces.
And then stated afterwards
they cannot assign the donations to specific areas of tour.
They gladly accepted and used it for whatever they liked
and neglected the entire network for over four years.
Before they, the fact is where they released top.
End game
has had a direct effect
on improving the stability of the tour network
by reducing constant attacks over the years
as well as giving service operators an option
that is healthier to the network
than other possible protection attacks
that have strictly handled all these attacks
against their own service
with the priority being the health of the tour network
and mitigating potential issues.
Even where I would render
even one grant of our service as offline
in the name of the conservative network health.
There has been multiple
significant tour requests
and contributions by ourselves
as well as the tickets and blogs
submitted to provide crucial guidance
to assist in as much as possible.
So, Roger, before we have a question for you,
I'm wrong.
Alright, so this is gone.
Moving on.
So,
with Dredd and the new structure
and the new placement,
everybody commented.
The markets itself became more stricter
and you would see them last longer.
Also, too, I would want to add
that this community
is also,
should we test case the big one
when it first came out?
Should it be possible to use it
for transactions?
Whether it's through life or not,
it's just people who find that
it's more on drugs.
This is really effective.
Therefore, they're going to do what they want.
I hope that this will work.
Alright, we're going to...
So, let's see.
Alright, so we're going to go to the hidden area.
There was a recording site hidden here
that was also coming up.
It's important to this
because this is where I found out
where I could
get on these forms
and then
with the free BTC Steelers
or the free programs,
get these people poor or not
to download the program
and I was able to capture the computers.
I'm using any monitoring
at the time.
I would spread Steelers, Rats.
I found out that the admin
who was running the site
wasn't technically proficient
because leaking everywhere
designed P and everything
so I was able to track it down.
This is a second over
extortion and I felt bad for it.
So, if you're going to do dark net market stuff
be prepared with your offset
because somebody out there is going to go out there
and they're going to try to get you.
That's just the nature of it.
Moving forward,
I'm speaking out.
So, looking for a job
when I'm the Russian expert I am
you know, they don't have Americans
I spoke Spanish on there.
When I tried my hand at ransomware
I got on the Gankrat project.
So, my favorite target with that
was real estate agents.
They're greedy.
They're open stuff.
They're remakes and they're e-mails.
They're servers always outdated.
I thought it was the perfect target.
So, I would spam, you know,
straight e-mails off Google.
Spam them.
Here's my house unit dimensions.
Open this link.
Get their computers.
I didn't like it, you know,
trying to have people,
you know, trying to get the money out of them.
What made me really dislike it, too,
was I was trying to target real estate agents
and one day I was in the panel
on the look of that school.
Not good.
I think some lady I sent an e-mail to
was working at the school.
Opened the e-mail up on the school network.
You know, I asked her if we got the school.
That's the best way I could do it.
Anyway, so,
working on it,
the Empire work that came up,
you know, was on the forums.
They offered me a job.
I took it.
I worked for about a week
before they realized they didn't like me.
So, they fired me,
not to mention on the forum,
I posted a picture of the panel
and some security research.
Found the Grand Crab panel,
tweeted it,
and then the owner of the Grand Crab
found out who didn't build the thing.
My marxist and his wife
looked at me
and how
he'd get fired from too many of the schools in the city.
I don't know.
Anyway,
being upset, you know,
I have to get back.
So,
I remember I was trying to figure out
how I needed to act with these kids.
Now, my dad,
spent 22 years in the Army,
was set in a special forces group,
and I was hoping to clean the closet one day
with an attic
and special operations
for the work of the doctor.
If you know anything about him,
we could drop off 12 of them,
come back six months later
to the whole country's on fire.
So, the thing is,
what could I take from here
and bring it to here
to make this, make me win?
So, what I found out was
what I'm going to do
is every time anybody has a problem
with these guys,
I'm going to hand them a fishing template
and say, hey, go get your money back.
I would fish,
I would just hand them fishing stuff,
tell everybody to fish,
I could have like thousands of servers
and
this angered
angered the entire admins.
You know, I would
if you liked him the most
my rent, I would pay not rent,
I would contact
the guy that paid me,
he just paid my rent.
I was like, oh yeah,
I just had a great time at the board,
thank you for covering that thing.
He would be pissed.
Yeah, I hate him.
They hated him.
And then the good thing,
I was stealing money and encouraging other people
to think, you know,
I think it was the one that didn't have all the fun
making all the money to steal it all together.
So, that happened
and being close on time
so I'm going to move it over.
Got on to a different market,
this market being closed
but again, the admin didn't really know much.
He got, I think he got hacked
and then they came on
and tried to fix up this market fund
but it would bring a lot of heat.
You know, people found out that I was there
working there
fishing
even working for this market at the same time.
So, it would bring
a lot of heat to guy.
You know, the first thing I did was
when I got control of the server,
you know, the pink test monkey PHP shop
put bunch of shelves in there.
You know, I'm glad I did
because if you ever see the meme
I'll be like, most of the time
the morning when he comes back
all the heat
from all the stuff that I did before
was gone. So he was trying to fire me
off big load
and he'd say, hey, I changed the password
and I'd say, oh,
he did, I just changed it back.
So, I don't worry.
So,
you know, we were making money
I was looking at the database
and I realized
I wasn't getting the fair share
so I was like, hey, man, can we bump on my
pen? He's like, I don't even want you here
in the first place.
So,
so, what I ended up doing
was when I got rejected
I went to the database
and we're all
you know, few manually
to the controls
and I would just put on my bitcoin address
for different ones.
So, when he went to pay
he just paid all my addresses
which caused a big stir on Fred.
People were like, hey
I have a treasure wall
and my thing starts with a three.
This is, you know, it's not the right address.
So,
you know, somehow he's still trying to keep the market
ready.
This was around Christmas of 2019
in efforts to
make a way to pay back all the vendors
after
money got stolen from
php.
So,
he went on Christmas
and he took the markets exchange
the funds
and shorted bitcoin
and 45 minutes lost everything.
It was an accident.
He really missed off everybody's money.
So,
with my
good job
I had, you know, hatred for
Empire, Empire came back
Empire was going on
and then D-Stake
if you remember from Alphabet
he was the security guy
came back
and he came back, he was pissed
I really believed that the whole reason Alphabet
too came back was just
so that defense faces
and they didn't.
It was awesome too because
Alphabet
so,
you know,
so what qualified the people who worked up?
He hated Empire just as much as I did.
He knew me from before
he,
you know,
people knew so much about him
but he knew that with all the heat coming from
big blue and all those things
that couldn't work on the market.
First, everybody wants to do tickets
it's not fun.
You're like arguing with some guys
you're just trying to rip everybody out
it's just horrible, I hate tickets
don't want you on me.
Anyways, so the job I would have to do
was that couldn't work on the market place
but
you know, we had
a bunch of other markets
and the way that it was
even with Alphabet kind of got again
annoying when your shift comes up
and you can come out
with Alphabet
the good thing was
to promote that was my job
was to promote the market
I would also find other
markets to try to attract
sabotage
and you know, every time I was
successful I would get a bonus
so that every once in a while
I would have my base paid
with all this stuff I knocked off
I would add in my bonus
and you know, I was clear with
I was clear with a lot of money
it was nice
so here we would
you know, we could fight
I would fish trade accounts
and everybody would say, hey you know what
we need to trade accounts for the worthness
but I would always say the upvotes
on trade go a long way
you can take these accounts you don't want to comment on
but upvote
2 or 3
you can put it on the front of
they've changed the upgrade
but if it was slow people would get
whatever message you wanted
it was a crash
now no one would believe it
but you always got your 10% there
over time
5 campaigns would work that way
so what else I would do
is we had fishing links that we needed to take account
so I would go
create off shore accounts
of Panama
we had employers here
half of the lawyers
go to Google
go to drug dot go
and we tried to
legally send out requests
to get these fishes
so if you can do the same thing
with the album
now everybody saw the rage
you could go back on the clarity
you could take it on the clarity
and send it to the same point
also
we needed ways to
market so
I would take over wikipedia
if you get into the alpha bay
wikipedia you'll see darknet history
webhistory
from defconn if you click it
I'll put a link on the scooter
defconn you can see that they're alpha bay
and then market type
and then drug hub
and they all pay me like 10 racks
for wikipedia
it's just amazing
just cases
but you can put
onion on it
so if you type in alpha bay
to get around a lot of the fishing
wikipedia will pop up first
it was nice
so
we have 5 minutes left
now it's creative
defconn 31
I was here at defconn 31
I was at the wind
packed out trunk
took really bad heat and lost 21 pic
you know
they don't want to upset the wife
so I had to figure something out
quick
so what I did
is I knew there was a site
in creemings
Russia's creeming war was kicked off
so
I looked around for documents
to see if I could find something
fb-highish
and then just falsify it
and see if I could pull up
you know
I was there telling me hey
they're using your market
to do all these legal transactions
the feds are hot on it
I don't know how I got it
he paid me $22
where I got my money back
and then they closed
the next day
I wasn't in attendance for that to happen
they literally closed the next day
off from this bullshit
how good it was pissed
I was like I understand everybody
y'all know this
what are you doing
upset the war people order
I'll put you in the blackout for all of you
alright so
the conclusion
is
this
this life was very
stressful
for everybody
you have to be tight
all the time
I decided that I wanted to stop
beating out of there
trying something new
we actually pushed me to do this talk
on the dark end discussions
podcast
and I realized that
I had no jack shit when it comes to modern
I felt really bad
I was like how do I not know
how to use a dopey photoshop
but then
on the other hand
I needed a change
so that's pretty much it
but I do have some predictions
I'm going to be going to
retire all my old terms
I never went to prison
I never pointed my finger and snitched on anybody
but
maybe
I'll go away
don't do what I did
but with AI
taking jobs with developers
I do think
more people are going to be coming on to
to expand the town
they're very
very talented people
Roger over here
he's talking about
if you don't need to sell it
offer us jobs
maybe
we can
help a tour without being bad
people or whatever you say
and you will continue to grow
I talked to
the new king
there's a big round of glass coming up
and
he just like me was a market worker
now an addict
and
I believe he's going to be a 5 year market
drug
he comes from
he's an addict
Mr. White was probably one of the best
ever to do it
so that's going to be a share of them
so there's going to be a market coming up
and with every job
going away
I think people are going to be coming over there
because it's easy for me
and that's it
it's this good
it's very exciting
you can't bust your way out
so that's the end of my talk
once the same people
malware, public
Paris with the research
I did, I talked to a lot of people
from research
Zan fans
my friend Matt
and then I wrote
but not really official
if you know anything about them
they hated me
anyway, I wrote him a channel
let him know that I was
doing this
turns out
the FBI only got half of the operation
the person that I know
as a movie
is up for it, which is awesome
but writing him
I didn't start the befriendship
and I didn't want to tell everybody
write me a letter to see if
the FPCI 4 takes
stand up
yes
applause