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The question was, I had, we were using snifers and we were mostly, I was doing the scam to get the cards.

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And after a while, you know, you're stupid.

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You're 16, 17, you're making all this money.

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You start getting lazy, you know, you start making mistakes.

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You know, I have my friend, he got arrested.

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So that set the leg.

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I got away from the card game, turned 18, moved to Austin, Texas, and lived in a pump rock house on the floor for about two years.

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It was pretty awesome.

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You had a couple of traveling countries.

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But there's no money in there.

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Zero money.

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So I had to get back into it.

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So after two, three years, Bitcoin was coming around.

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You no longer needed evil.

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You could do these transactions with Bitcoin.

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I saw the Silk Road for the first time.

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I thought it was just amazing.

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You know, they did a bad rap, but they started at marketplaces, especially across the vision on that.

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They made the purchase of drugs a lot safer.

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So I was talking to somebody, you know, I was saying,

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when you go, when you go give your local dealer a one-star review,

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the best thing that happens is probably not your teeth.

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So, you know, you can have this, you know, you can review it.

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Everybody can do exchanges.

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It's a very safe place.

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There's not really no violence to it.

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So I thought that was really cool.

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But again, I have to make money.

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So I started looking at these places.

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And Silk Road wouldn't allow parties at the time.

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So I'm very lucky.

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Okay. I think I'm just going to start.

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Including the best I can see.

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I'm going to catch the positive end of this.

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And that's just part of my motivation.

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And through that, I just shot off.

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So it would always be do the fishing.

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I would, you know, try to figure out the best way to constantly progress, you know.

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So there was a Firefox tab that they put on top where you could clone the site.

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You didn't link everything together.

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You didn't have to be able to do it.

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So all you had to do is put your site up there, put the wallet, you know, some Q-mark.

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You didn't even have to change the wallet addresses at the time.

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And it would be easy money.

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So the market site goes, right?

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So as you know, Silk Road got busted.

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And everybody was there, you know.

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Back then, Bitcoin exchanges would have corrected ties to them.

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So Bitcoin would fall too, you know.

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And it was crazy.

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I thought it was for sure the end.

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And then like, those were like two days later, Silk Road two pops back up.

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Where they brought it back.

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And that stayed around for a while.

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So then I realized, you know, hey, these drug guys aren't going anywhere.

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This is good to be here a while.

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You know, like, okay, this is the wrong way to make my money.

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Then after the fall of Silk Road two, and the other markets that were coming up, you know, I would say Praxis.

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You know, Black Bay, it was beautiful.

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They all started popping.

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And then from there, I noticed on tour, it was tour party floor.

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So I've got to meet people on there.

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I had a background in regards.

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A new couple of people on there.

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But I noticed that the skill level there was a lot higher.

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It's a lot better.

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And I realized, you know, hey, I'm going to really have to work at this if I'm going to be getting anything out of it.

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So I got back in the car and again, I was getting second hand cards, selling them.

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It was a really big thing back then.

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Who becomes the owner of Alpha Day was a carter too.

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And he literally wrote the book on credit card fraud.

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That was back then when people were being strike, you know.

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You get the credit card reader, you get the cards.

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You make your cards all day long.

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The strike, you get them all back.

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So, I started selling cards on evolution.

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I got through with some people.

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And then the Bay Exxon schemes.

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These are just the natural cycles of color markets and evolution places.

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Work on these things.

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There's a timeline.

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I started, I would say about four years before we probably invested something out of it.

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So Alpha Day came on.

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Back then you wanted to do like an eBay trading stuff, like get auctions and stuff.

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Nobody was using it.

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And to me, I was trying to find another way to make money.

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I was trying to figure it out.

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I tried to sell drugs.

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Now, when I say try, it was successful, but it was way more worth than I thought.

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I remember making my account on Alpha Day.

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You know, making it really cool with like the AK guns.

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You know, all the kind of profile.

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Making it look like somebody could buy something.

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One day, I logged on.

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And my account flooded with orders.

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I said, how the hell did this happen?

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You know, and I realized Deep Top Web put my vendor profile on it.

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And it made the article say how to buy something out of it.

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In fact, then I was selling cocaine.

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I realized there was one for 90 grand and I could get it for 15.

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I was like, I'm going to just completely pillage it with pink money.

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Little did I know, put drugs in boxes a lot.

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This is a lot of work.

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You get them with double gloves.

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You got to have acting skills things.

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Like, he used gloves when I put them in like rocks or inside of it.

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Pants, pockets, and jeans and put them in flat rate cards.

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It was nice, I mean like almost like 150,000 in six months.

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It was pretty cool.

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I even had like a little local biker game trucking off my packages.

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A little mini lot Escobar.

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And then, and the thing too is that I used to get it from Linz.

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It's this cartel that you can use it in.

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And they were, they loved me.

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You know, come back with the money early.

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And then I showed them.

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They were like, how can you get rid of this so quick?

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You know, I'm now, I feel like I'm coming right back.

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You know, I brought my laptop.

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I'm like, I'm selling it on here.

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And this guy was just like completely more equal.

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He used to own them.

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You know, in Houston they had these after-hour clubs.

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After the bars closed, bad clubs after hours.

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You go to these clubs and they'll be like wine.

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Out of the bathroom, it's actually some guy serving a coke bag in the toilet.

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So that guy, they liked it.

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But you know, again, if it became too much work,

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they just didn't want to do it.

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So I got into, this was around off the bay.

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And at this time it was on its rise.

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On the rise of the off the bay,

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they had a guy who trapped him.

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He was the PR.

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Anyway, he wasn't making enough money.

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I talked to him.

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He wasn't happy with the money he was making.

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So I had some parties and I was like,

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I'm not doing the coke thing anymore.

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And he gave me, he was mad at the outfit too bad.

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And he gave me the website.

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He said, this is typical of his website.

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And this is all this.

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And here's all this information.

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Give it to me for a couple of parts.

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He sold out the boss over.

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I think I gave him like 10 parts.

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So what did I do?

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Go to Alpha 2 and I give him, hey, this is what I got.

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And then he says, how much?

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I'm like, oh nice.

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Money.

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So I was like, I just told him out there,

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he was 5K.

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He did it.

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And I knew I had some.

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I didn't know what.

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He was painting this money.

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The site where it was registered, it was registered.

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I think it was in red here.

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It was close enough for it.

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We did this all on red tip.

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Remember dark red?

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Markets on red.

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Alpha 2 was getting it started through red here.

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And I had a friend that I probably had.

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And I told him, hey, this guy named Kinger,

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he was having problems with him as well.

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So I brought him in and he completely backs down.

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He was going to teach me some advanced scanning techniques.

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And he only got halfway through this call.

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But he was exploring what we got him as well.

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It was nice.

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I mean, I felt that I was dating a Marxist lettuce at the time.

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So I'm in the living room.

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I'm like, man, I hope this guy's not I've got to do,

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but kill himself or something to get him to explore this.

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He's fine.

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So those things like dating,

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they're not going to call the cops because they hate them.

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And you know, she would always tell me, you know,

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you think you can exist for, yeah,

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she would sit with this crypto coin

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that I could struggle outside the system.

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I'm like, I'm not working.

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I'm getting these points.

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I think I'm doing pretty good.

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That one.

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So I think Joseph Fox, I think Kinger,

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the guy Kinger contacted this guy Joseph Fox

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and he made an article that was, hey,

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you know, pretty much about him getting extorted.

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And that guy was the one that pissed off at him, too.

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And he went and changed as we tried to make it seem like

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he's no longer there and he came back as admin.

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So if anybody wants to know why that happened,

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it's because on the back end he was getting extorted.

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And it would be like, you know,

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I feel like 10 grand a day handed over, you know, and he would.

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And then that article came out and he stopped.

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So there, that's why I got that stuff,

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so how to find something else.

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This was about 2015 or so.

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The market was still going.

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I just moved from Washington, D.C.

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I was living in the Columbia Heights neighborhood

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and I walked by this place called The Diner

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and I noticed they had Bitcoin and ATM in there.

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I was like, okay, cool.

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So I go and get hired at the place

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so I could stake up the ATM.

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And if you know anything about The Diner

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and D.C. back at that time,

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they actually had four devices.

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It was open 24-7.

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So it's the only restaurant I've ever been to

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that had four people.

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They were like bouncers.

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And the cool thing about it too

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is I would know who was coming in

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and let someone watch who was getting all the money out

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or I would know that if I did a big, you know,

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transaction advocate because, you know,

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I would come to those Bitcoin and ATM

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to get a bunch of money,

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pull the bag and it would all shoot out.

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I did that once at the H.R. Brown Center

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in Houston.

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I think I got that nine grand out of it.

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It was the convention center like this.

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Everybody was in suits.

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I walked over there, flip-flops,

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just got out of the back of the bag.

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All the suits are in the Starbucks.

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I'm like, hold me.

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I'm doing it all.

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Pull up the bag.

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Different dishes are incomplete.

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They're perplexed.

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So, at this time, Alpha Bay is positive.

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You know, I realized that I hate working.

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So I put that job.

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But I managed to stick a sneak of U.S.E.

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into the network, into the closet network,

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and then also into the management,

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pop the bag and get U.S.B. into that Bitcoin machine.

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You had access to the POS system.

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You know, I did a bunch of not-cool things, you know.

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All right.

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So, during this time,

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everybody was, the way that all the stuff

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I had out there was on our darknet markets.

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And then, you know, they had enough.

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And they put this out.

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So it was the start and the end.

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It's like a dark-net reddit,

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but way better, way cooler.

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It's not full of, like, you know, punch-up.

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They let you do whatever you can.

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You can talk about what it would be more in.

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You know, they're not going to, like,

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you're really going to just let your way get there

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and you're talking about them.

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But it was started by the hub company.

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Now, there is relapse.

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Everybody knows that

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he pretty much birthed the market place.

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But I would say the most important,

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especially the last since it existed,

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was hub company.

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Dread and infrastructure, they provided

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and all the stuff that they do

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for the community harm reduction.

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All of this was created.

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It went from a chaotic place

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to some sort of order.

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And, you know, the market had to be verified

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and they could, you know,

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it was a place to guard the community.

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So I was a bit taken aback yesterday.

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On the stage, Roger the tour developer would say,

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those dark-net guys are nothing.

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We just leave them over there.

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Don't worry, they never,

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they never helped tour at all.

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And I thought a hub owner

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would get a laugh at that.

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So I got something to say

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in his review between Roger the tour developer

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talking about,

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there's a degausser

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that sent him 10k

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and the guy was talking about how he sent it to a part moment

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and didn't use the money.

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You know, I knew actually another deal up to now.

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But, hub owners' response

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to the tour dev

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is the tour product received

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well over six figures directly

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due to an issue that flaunts my grant,

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including internal fundraisers,

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to track the cost problems.

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They gladly accepted these funds.

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Most of them submitted by television marketplaces.

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And then stated afterwards

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they cannot assign the donations to specific areas of tour.

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They gladly accepted and used it for whatever they liked

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and neglected the entire network for over four years.

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Before they, the fact is where they released top.

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End game

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has had a direct effect

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on improving the stability of the tour network

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by reducing constant attacks over the years

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as well as giving service operators an option

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that is healthier to the network

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than other possible protection attacks

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that have strictly handled all these attacks

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against their own service

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with the priority being the health of the tour network

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and mitigating potential issues.

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Even where I would render

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even one grant of our service as offline

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in the name of the conservative network health.

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There has been multiple

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significant tour requests

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and contributions by ourselves

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as well as the tickets and blogs

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submitted to provide crucial guidance

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to assist in as much as possible.

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So, Roger, before we have a question for you,

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I'm wrong.

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Alright, so this is gone.

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Moving on.

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So,

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with Dredd and the new structure

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and the new placement,

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everybody commented.

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The markets itself became more stricter

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and you would see them last longer.

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Also, too, I would want to add

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that this community

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is also,

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should we test case the big one

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when it first came out?

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Should it be possible to use it

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for transactions?

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Whether it's through life or not,

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it's just people who find that

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it's more on drugs.

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This is really effective.

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Therefore, they're going to do what they want.

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I hope that this will work.

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Alright, we're going to...

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Alright, we're going to...

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So, let's see.

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Alright, so we're going to go to the hidden area.

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There was a recording site hidden here

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that was also coming up.

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It's important to this

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because this is where I found out

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where I could

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get on these forms

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and then

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with the free BTC Steelers

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or the free programs,

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get these people poor or not

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to download the program

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and I was able to capture the computers.

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I'm using any monitoring

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at the time.

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I would spread Steelers, Rats.

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I found out that the admin

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who was running the site

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wasn't technically proficient

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because leaking everywhere

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designed P and everything

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so I was able to track it down.

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This is a second over

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extortion and I felt bad for it.

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So, if you're going to do dark net market stuff

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be prepared with your offset

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because somebody out there is going to go out there

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and they're going to try to get you.

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That's just the nature of it.

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Moving forward,

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I'm speaking out.

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So, looking for a job

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when I'm the Russian expert I am

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you know, they don't have Americans

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I spoke Spanish on there.

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When I tried my hand at ransomware

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I got on the Gankrat project.

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So, my favorite target with that

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was real estate agents.

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They're greedy.

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They're open stuff.

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They're remakes and they're e-mails.

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They're servers always outdated.

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I thought it was the perfect target.

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So, I would spam, you know,

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straight e-mails off Google.

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Spam them.

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Here's my house unit dimensions.

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Open this link.

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Get their computers.

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I didn't like it, you know,

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trying to have people,

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you know, trying to get the money out of them.

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What made me really dislike it, too,

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was I was trying to target real estate agents

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and one day I was in the panel

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on the look of that school.

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Not good.

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I think some lady I sent an e-mail to

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was working at the school.

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Opened the e-mail up on the school network.

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You know, I asked her if we got the school.

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That's the best way I could do it.

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Anyway, so,

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working on it,

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the Empire work that came up,

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you know, was on the forums.

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They offered me a job.

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I took it.

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I worked for about a week

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before they realized they didn't like me.

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So, they fired me,

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not to mention on the forum,

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I posted a picture of the panel

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and some security research.

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Found the Grand Crab panel,

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tweeted it,

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and then the owner of the Grand Crab

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found out who didn't build the thing.

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My marxist and his wife

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looked at me

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and how

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he'd get fired from too many of the schools in the city.

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I don't know.

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Anyway,

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being upset, you know,

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I have to get back.

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So,

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I remember I was trying to figure out

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how I needed to act with these kids.

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Now, my dad,

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spent 22 years in the Army,

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was set in a special forces group,

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and I was hoping to clean the closet one day

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with an attic

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and special operations

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for the work of the doctor.

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If you know anything about him,

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we could drop off 12 of them,

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come back six months later

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to the whole country's on fire.

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So, the thing is,

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what could I take from here

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and bring it to here

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to make this, make me win?

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So, what I found out was

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what I'm going to do

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is every time anybody has a problem

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with these guys,

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I'm going to hand them a fishing template

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and say, hey, go get your money back.

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I would fish,

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I would just hand them fishing stuff,

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tell everybody to fish,

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I could have like thousands of servers

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and

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this angered

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angered the entire admins.

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You know, I would

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if you liked him the most

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my rent, I would pay not rent,

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I would contact

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the guy that paid me,

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he just paid my rent.

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I was like, oh yeah,

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I just had a great time at the board,

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thank you for covering that thing.

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He would be pissed.

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Yeah, I hate him.

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They hated him.

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And then the good thing,

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I was stealing money and encouraging other people

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to think, you know,

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I think it was the one that didn't have all the fun

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making all the money to steal it all together.

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So, that happened

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and being close on time

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so I'm going to move it over.

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Got on to a different market,

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this market being closed

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but again, the admin didn't really know much.

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He got, I think he got hacked

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and then they came on

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and tried to fix up this market fund

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but it would bring a lot of heat.

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You know, people found out that I was there

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working there

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fishing

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even working for this market at the same time.

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So, it would bring

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a lot of heat to guy.

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You know, the first thing I did was

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when I got control of the server,

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you know, the pink test monkey PHP shop

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put bunch of shelves in there.

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You know, I'm glad I did

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because if you ever see the meme

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I'll be like, most of the time

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the morning when he comes back

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all the heat

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from all the stuff that I did before

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was gone. So he was trying to fire me

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off big load

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and he'd say, hey, I changed the password

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and I'd say, oh,

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he did, I just changed it back.

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So, I don't worry.

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So,

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you know, we were making money

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I was looking at the database

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and I realized

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I wasn't getting the fair share

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so I was like, hey, man, can we bump on my

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pen? He's like, I don't even want you here

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in the first place.

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So,

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so, what I ended up doing

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was when I got rejected

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I went to the database

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and we're all

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you know, few manually

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to the controls

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and I would just put on my bitcoin address

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for different ones.

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So, when he went to pay

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he just paid all my addresses

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which caused a big stir on Fred.

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People were like, hey

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I have a treasure wall

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and my thing starts with a three.

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This is, you know, it's not the right address.

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So,

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you know, somehow he's still trying to keep the market

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ready.

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This was around Christmas of 2019

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in efforts to

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make a way to pay back all the vendors

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after

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money got stolen from

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php.

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So,

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he went on Christmas

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and he took the markets exchange

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the funds

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and shorted bitcoin

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and 45 minutes lost everything.

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It was an accident.

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He really missed off everybody's money.

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So,

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with my

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good job

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I had, you know, hatred for

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Empire, Empire came back

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Empire was going on

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and then D-Stake

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if you remember from Alphabet

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he was the security guy

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came back

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and he came back, he was pissed

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I really believed that the whole reason Alphabet

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too came back was just

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so that defense faces

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and they didn't.

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It was awesome too because

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Alphabet

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so,

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you know,

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so what qualified the people who worked up?

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He hated Empire just as much as I did.

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He knew me from before

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he,

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you know,

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people knew so much about him

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but he knew that with all the heat coming from

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big blue and all those things

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that couldn't work on the market.

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First, everybody wants to do tickets

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it's not fun.

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You're like arguing with some guys

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you're just trying to rip everybody out

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it's just horrible, I hate tickets

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don't want you on me.

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Anyways, so the job I would have to do

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was that couldn't work on the market place

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but

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you know, we had

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a bunch of other markets

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and the way that it was

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even with Alphabet kind of got again

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annoying when your shift comes up

27:33.400 --> 27:34.320
and you can come out

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with Alphabet

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the good thing was

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to promote that was my job

27:40.860 --> 27:41.900
was to promote the market

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I would also find other

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markets to try to attract

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sabotage

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and you know, every time I was

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successful I would get a bonus

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so that every once in a while

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I would have my base paid

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with all this stuff I knocked off

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I would add in my bonus

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and you know, I was clear with

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I was clear with a lot of money

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it was nice

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so here we would

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you know, we could fight

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I would fish trade accounts

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and everybody would say, hey you know what

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we need to trade accounts for the worthness

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but I would always say the upvotes

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on trade go a long way

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you can take these accounts you don't want to comment on

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but upvote

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2 or 3

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you can put it on the front of

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they've changed the upgrade

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but if it was slow people would get

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whatever message you wanted

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it was a crash

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now no one would believe it

28:37.540 --> 28:38.960
but you always got your 10% there

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over time

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5 campaigns would work that way

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so what else I would do

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is we had fishing links that we needed to take account

28:51.040 --> 28:52.420
so I would go

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create off shore accounts

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of Panama

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we had employers here

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half of the lawyers

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go to Google

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go to drug dot go

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and we tried to

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legally send out requests

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to get these fishes

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so if you can do the same thing

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with the album

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now everybody saw the rage

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you could go back on the clarity

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you could take it on the clarity

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and send it to the same point

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also

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we needed ways to

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market so

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I would take over wikipedia

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if you get into the alpha bay

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wikipedia you'll see darknet history

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webhistory

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from defconn if you click it

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I'll put a link on the scooter

29:36.100 --> 29:37.820
defconn you can see that they're alpha bay

29:37.820 --> 29:39.500
and then market type

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and then drug hub

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and they all pay me like 10 racks

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for wikipedia

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it's just amazing

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just cases

29:49.440 --> 29:51.080
but you can put

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onion on it

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so if you type in alpha bay

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to get around a lot of the fishing

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wikipedia will pop up first

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it was nice

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so

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we have 5 minutes left

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now it's creative

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defconn 31

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I was here at defconn 31

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I was at the wind

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packed out trunk

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took really bad heat and lost 21 pic

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you know

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they don't want to upset the wife

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so I had to figure something out

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quick

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so what I did

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is I knew there was a site

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in creemings

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Russia's creeming war was kicked off

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so

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I looked around for documents

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to see if I could find something

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fb-highish

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and then just falsify it

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and see if I could pull up

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you know

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I was there telling me hey

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they're using your market

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to do all these legal transactions

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the feds are hot on it

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I don't know how I got it

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he paid me $22

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where I got my money back

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and then they closed

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the next day

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I wasn't in attendance for that to happen

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they literally closed the next day

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off from this bullshit

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how good it was pissed

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I was like I understand everybody

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y'all know this

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what are you doing

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upset the war people order

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I'll put you in the blackout for all of you

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alright so

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the conclusion

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is

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this

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this life was very

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stressful

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for everybody

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you have to be tight

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all the time

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I decided that I wanted to stop

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beating out of there

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trying something new

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we actually pushed me to do this talk

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on the dark end discussions

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podcast

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and I realized that

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I had no jack shit when it comes to modern

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I felt really bad

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I was like how do I not know

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how to use a dopey photoshop

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but then

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on the other hand

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I needed a change

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so that's pretty much it

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but I do have some predictions

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I'm going to be going to

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retire all my old terms

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I never went to prison

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I never pointed my finger and snitched on anybody

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but

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maybe

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I'll go away

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don't do what I did

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but with AI

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taking jobs with developers

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I do think

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more people are going to be coming on to

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to expand the town

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they're very

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very talented people

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Roger over here

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he's talking about

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if you don't need to sell it

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offer us jobs

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maybe

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we can

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help a tour without being bad

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people or whatever you say

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and you will continue to grow

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I talked to

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the new king

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there's a big round of glass coming up

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and

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he just like me was a market worker

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now an addict

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and

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I believe he's going to be a 5 year market

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drug

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he comes from

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he's an addict

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Mr. White was probably one of the best

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ever to do it

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so that's going to be a share of them

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so there's going to be a market coming up

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and with every job

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going away

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I think people are going to be coming over there

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because it's easy for me

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and that's it

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it's this good

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it's very exciting

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you can't bust your way out

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so that's the end of my talk

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once the same people

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malware, public

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Paris with the research

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I did, I talked to a lot of people

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from research

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Zan fans

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my friend Matt

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and then I wrote

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but not really official

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if you know anything about them

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they hated me

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anyway, I wrote him a channel

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let him know that I was

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doing this

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turns out

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the FBI only got half of the operation

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the person that I know

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as a movie

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is up for it, which is awesome

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but writing him

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I didn't start the befriendship

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and I didn't want to tell everybody

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write me a letter to see if

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the FPCI 4 takes

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stand up

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yes

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applause