It's time for Declare Your Independence with Ernest Hancock.
Believe me when I say we have a difficult time ahead of us.
But if we are to be prepared for it, we must first shed our fear of it.
I stand here without fear because I remember.
I remember that I am here not because of the path that lies before me,
but because of the path that lies behind me.
I remember that for 100 years we have fought these machines.
And after a century of war, I remember that which matters most.
We are still here.
Let's make them remember.
We are not up for it.
Declare Your Independence with Ernest Hancock
from the southern desert west of Phoenix.
We are about 25 miles west of Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant,
which is one of the big ones.
Is it a target?
I don't want to live next to it.
We are vulnerable in that regard.
But electricity really doesn't affect us except right at the start of the show.
I had the pool pump on.
We have the hot water.
We clicked on electrical hot water.
Donna wanted to take a shower.
You know the hot water.
We got the evaporative cooler.
We got the air conditioner on.
We got all the studios.
And then I hit the microwave and it went no.
You know you maxed it.
Finally this new system I maxed it out.
Well Donna always was paranoid before she doesn't do the microwave with the hot water on it.
I was like turn on everything man.
Whatever.
I wasn't worried about it.
I had to worry about it.
So it took us a little bit to get that back up.
Small price to pay.
You click off the breaker to the hot water here while you are using the microwave.
And you got everything else on.
But we are doing pretty good.
But energy?
Oh other people not so good.
And it is affecting entire regions.
Not just countries.
Continents.
And this is not in why.
Why.
America and her interest.
Or Israel.
And what was the reason for that?
There was a book.
We are going to get into this later today.
We have a friend Andrew Stremick.
You know young man that is probably now like almost 40 probably.
But he is a young girlfriend now.
His wife and five kids.
Four boys and a girl I think.
I think it is five.
And he lives in the Prescott area.
He has his own business.
He is in the medical industry.
What happens is he has really done at least has an opinion.
And done study on the book of Revelation.
And there is a book when I in high school right after high school.
I remember the early 80's late 70's.
The book called The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey.
Which I have interviewed.
You know subsequently probably a decade ago.
And found out he lived here in the valley in Scottsdale.
Fountain Hills area or something.
And we had him on.
And we got to talk about this.
And I should go down to find that Hal Lindsey.
Interview I did put up on today's show will you please.
So you guys can check that out now.
It wasn't a very large book.
You know it's paperback.
And it's like how many pages is this thing.
It's like a lesson 200 189 or something.
And I remember I read it one time.
God almost 40 50 years ago.
And it had a script.
It was a template.
It was a timeline.
This has to happen.
Then this will happen.
And this will happen.
And this will happen and Armageddon.
And you know the Jerusalem heaven on earth.
And kind of the rapture.
A bunch of interpretations.
Now a lot of that a lot of that stuff may have already happened.
You know a thousand years ago.
Or it could be conflated with what.
But that wasn't the point.
The point was taking the Bible.
Taking the prophecies.
Taking the narrative and these stories.
And putting it into like shoehorn in it.
Into current events.
Now to give you the feeling of inevitability.
This war is going to happen.
This is how it's going to happen.
This who's going to get blamed for it.
They even got a rule for God for Russia.
Gog and Magog from the north.
They'll come in and the Armageddon is an actual place.
It is a physical geographic place in northern Israel I think
or Syria or whatever that.
The soldiers that come will have their eyes consumed
from their sockets and the flesh from their bones.
Damn that sounds nuclear.
So this is a script that they're following.
And through the seminaries and the training of pastors
they get all Israelized.
This is the rule one.
Support Israel because because because we said damn it.
And here's the money.
So this has been going on for generations.
Since the latter part of the 19th century.
I mean it was you know late 1800's Zionism.
Here we go.
Christian Zionism.
Mazel just say alright you're allowed to wear a crucifix
and believe in Jesus Christ as your savior
but you're definitely doing the work of Israel government
and what we want and we're going to get and kick out
and we got a deed in the Bible and kind of
we're going to do it then.
Alright. Now that's why Andrew is going to come out.
He's a common friend of Dr. Frank Tambory and I.
And on this Trump report today he's going to be here
an hour and a half or so that noon.
And well our time noon an hour and a half.
And what he's going to do is go over what his
impression is.
You know his study, his church they go over this
and we have later probably next in April
you know mid-April around in there is when
we have scheduled Chuck Baldwin.
Now Chuck Baldwin is a pastor used to be
in Florida and he moved his congregation to Montana
to get ready for and he ran for president
on the constitutional party endorsed
by Ron Paul in the 08 election year.
So the boys got it going on and he was part of
this whole indoctrination during the 80's
this moral majority thing and are you born again Christian?
He saw what was happening.
How they were turning over the congregation
to the whims of the man.
And he's like nope, nope, nope, not doing it.
Wouldn't be prudent at this juncture.
So that's what we're going to be kind of
building up to today.
Because the lake rate plan of the earth is not
you know you probably get through it in a day
but it is all about this prophecy
that I don't know if this
analyzed the prophecy that was already there
or it kind of took scripture and twisted it into a
script but it doesn't matter because this
script is what they're following.
Some of the highlights that I remember as a young man
reading this was that one,
you have to have the rebuilding of the temple
which I think it's for the third time or something.
You know it was sacked and raised in the ground
during the invasion of whatever
then they Solomon rebuilt and did it again
and then you know now well where that location is
we'll get a lot of the details more accurate
from Andrew but as I remember
it was where Christ was crucified
or had something to do with the history
of Christ and Jerusalem there
and the temple was built on
by Dome of the Rock.
The Dome of the Rock is a Muslim temple
that's right on where the old temple of
the Jews needs to be and we got to take care of
the business we got to get rid of that
we got to do something so that has to happen.
Dome of the Rock comes down
the temple goes up and there will be
consternation on that one I guarantee it.
Then there has to be the consecration of that
temple which will be done by a perfect
sacrifice of a red heifer
and you got all these rabbis going around
inspecting and doing anal probes on
red heifer cows to be the sacrificial
whatever I mean you know so there's that.
Then there was a couple of other things
that needed to happen and it brings about
what is really going on right now
and they're building up to this
and trying to bring the prophecy to
fruition and using that as justification
for killing people and getting killed.
Of course not them and their sons but yours.
So this is what we're going to be talking about
now up until that time we'll go over
the news a little bit hopefully
and talk about what's going on now.
There is a bunch of things that are going on
and then during the show we have staff
and Don is putting up a bunch of stories
that will give us more to talk about
but current events really need
to get some attention today Frank.
So Frank got some current events.
Well I'm trying to blend all this together
I think we'll get to it later
as we kind of segue into I think
when Andrew's coming you know about
the about what's going on with
Israel and the Bible the Scofield Bible
a lot of things you're just setting up
it's interesting because
it highlights that what we're really in
is the religious war at the end of the day
but the religious war is of course
pitting the religious Zionists
from America at the same time
religious Zionists in Israel
and I did some research on this
we'll get into it later but the breakdown
of the Israeli populace
they're kind of like in the thirds
and one of the themes I've been finding
well just it's been existing for a while
but even over this past week
which gets into more current events
is that how more and more countries
including elections that happened
in Italy this week in France
there's another one that will come to me here
and what's interesting is that
we're seeing a change in the electorate
in many of these western countries
westerners again the ones that are
kind of isolated homogenous countries
like obviously Russia and China
India they're not having these problems as much
but these western countries
they're being split into thirds
you know for most of the time
we've been seeing
kind of more of a duopoly
just like here in America
Democrats Republicans we tend to see that
and then
over the last 15-20 years
there was kind of a collapse of the conservatives
in all different countries
whatever you call them each country has a different name
for what we would call conservatives
like in England they have different names
but the philosophy was more
of the conservative nationalist view
but the nationalist view often
often also came with it
the religious view
so it's like you have the nationalists
the people we won't go to it
but you know the culture people
the old-fashioned conservatives
the religious but they always brought the religious part to it
and then you had the other group
that was more secular
and the progressives
the people who don't look at the past
they're looking at the future
they're always thinking that the past was bad
and we have to keep you know progress
and those two concepts
are always in flux
they're always in flux
you know the people want to move forward
and the people like to stay in the past
that's a grand oversimplification
but that's kind of where this tension has been
but religion has always been more towards the past
at least of the last
you know 50-80 years
I mean why progressives
can't be religious too and many of them are to be clear
but that's kind of what we've seen
but as more and more people
away from the churches
the world has become much more secular
the conservative wings
of all these different western countries
have kind of just shriveled on the vine
and they've lost power everywhere
and that's when
we had this monolithic
monolithic
kind of a centrist
party that sort of
just dominated just like we saw in our country
like the liberals
the far left, the liberals, the independents
they're all kind of in that one realm
and that's where the conservative wings will have been
popping up obviously with Donald Trump
we also see this with Milani
Maloney in Italy
we're seeing this in Japan
you know all of a sudden
all at the same time these countries
are seeing these more conservative movements
coming out
but at least in America and Israel
we'll get into the Israel thing later
about the thirds specifically
but
it's like all of a sudden they're bringing the religion
angle to it and
what each of these countries are now doing
is they're starting to have a new
party or a new movement
occurring and I'm seeing this pattern
and every one of these countries I mentioned
including America and in Israel
is now we're starting to see
a third party
finally emerge and when I say third party
and with all due respect we're all libertarians
most of us on this
podcast, at least background
the libertarian party has been the real
third or the true third party
the third largest party in America
but you know because the politics
the way it is it's been the duopoly
but what we're starting to see now in all these countries
is a new truth
a large third party
that's blending
the moderates
the independence from each of these countries by the way
and on and kind of
common sense liberal minded
people if you can use that
as an oxymoron for some of you
but then like the young Turks we use them as an example
in America but on the other hand
we're starting to see they split
as we're seeing right now including this week
I mean Owen Shrier
many I mean every
every week these podcasters
and people in
the publications are
blending with MAGA becoming much more overt
like it's completely dead and they have nowhere to go
and you're starting to see them
you know giving up the religious
angle but they want to keep to the
conservative
you know the nationalist component I don't use the
C word there but you know it's like the nationalist movement
minus the religious overtones
in this case the Zionism
but for each of these other countries
that they're all going through the same thing so
we're seeing what now
a three
columns of
political movements in these nations where there's
only been two and for
many of them in the last 20 years only one
so we went from two for
like decades down to one
most dominant party like Macron
in France his centrist party
was dominant for decades
well he's now getting squeezed out
just like what's happened starting happening in America
where now there's a far left party
and there's a right party
and the centrist party is just getting
squeezed out we're seeing that
in Israel actually right now
and we're starting to and of course
we're seeing this in America well we saw that
again with Italy with their elections
recently so anyway
I'm just I appreciate the time
it's an overview
kind of theme that I've been seeing
with the central dovetail later on
when Andrew's on
on the phone because
I like to bring up the
history and the Bible perspective
how it relates to Israel and their politics
but it's an interesting theme
and also which
kind of doves a little bit with religion
is there was a conference I found out about
it was a Catholic
it was the American Catholic
annual conference
whatever they had it in Washington DC
last week I don't know if you heard about it
there was some hubbub about it
because Candace Owens was going
to speak there now I don't want to make this about Candace
but you know Catholics
are not Zionist apparently
apparently that's baked into the religion
I'm not a Catholic enough
to state that but that's what I've
heard including that lady who
was canned from the
was it the religious diversity board
a few weeks ago remember
the blonde lady from California and she was on
the board appointed by Trump
and she just was questioning
during her board she was a board number about
about what about
do you have to support Zionism as Zionism
considered anti-Semitic
and they candor right because she was not politically
correct well she also was
talking about how the Catholic Church does not
support Zionism so that becomes
a religious
right there and so
which I didn't realize exists and if it's not
100% for those of you who are Catholics
I apologize but that's what I've been led
to believe here and so
and so the Catholics had their conference
and you had Candace Owens there
you had Matt Walsh
showed up which is he spoke there
which was interesting because Matt
and Candace are both from the daily wire
and both of them are
you probably haven't talked at all and I'm sure
they had something to talk about with Ben Shapiro which
you know whether you like it or not or any he's definitely
driving not just the news but foreign
policy in our country so
he is a mover shaker as much as I hate to say it
Ben Shapiro
is that what you're saying yeah yeah Ben Shapiro
I mean he's
he's just an icon
of what I mean
well I mean I think more there's more
and more you know another thing to Ernie
I really believe
I never would have said this on the show before
but for reasons that take too long
to explain I my sense
is that
Ben Shapiro really is a
let's say I don't say officially getting a
paycheck but you know I don't want to use anything
but I don't know
but a mouthpiece let's just say
for Massad or for
you know Israel obviously I mean
he's certainly at say his BFF
he's got the phone number of Netanyahu
I'll probably leave it there so he's got
just dual citizenship and he's got big
homes there and he goes back and forth and he
certainly is carrying a lot of weight
trying to you know for Israel
and trying to keep the young people
on board with us that's what the daily wire was
and apparently the takeover of turning
point USA or at least the conversion
of turning point into a
all pro-Israel group right not without
getting into the Charlie Kirk murder
so yeah
so I mean so you have
him in that regard with
Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson
Ernie I have to tell you
Nick Fuentes is accused
of being a CIA operative
because you know his family was
part of CIA and I
I kind of wonder if
if Tucker Carlson is
could be CIA and what I mean by
that is I keep hearing about this
that there's an intelligence war going on
we've been you and I've been even talking about on
prior shows like few years ago
well true but that's
the culture
within these three letter agencies
was dominant one way and
just like any group there was a minority
culture within them
and then the whole Trump thing there was
like the FBI we heard about that where
there people in the FBI were trying
to pop through the corruption
that they saw during the whole Hillary Clinton stuff
so I kind of wonder
you know if Tucker is really a
mouthpiece which he would be a very brilliant
and smart way to do this because the amount
of information the guests and
what he comes up with and again
he's a smart guy not to take anything away from him himself
but I just feel he's
a you know understandable
I'm not saying it's the fairest
but a mouthpiece for that
part that's segment of the intelligence agency
and we're seeing it being
fought in the information wars
every night I mean the just hearing
the different sides of these arguments
in in each day
I mean it's like you're seeing a
information war in a level
that Alex Jones Mr. Infowork can never
have have dreamed of
but anyway before I finish the middle
point I'll throw it back to you this is kind of a big view
don't get into the news I would agree there's so much
going on with
averting just catastrophe
with Iran and clock started
and I definitely want to talk about
Trump chickening
out again and how he's getting back
into a corner which is dangerous with
his personality I think that's the real
problem but the
Catholic group you had
Candace Owens Matt Walsh
and you also had Joe
Kent who didn't know he was a Catholic
but I guess he's now the closet he spoke
there and he is as well and there was a few other
famous you know
somewhat famous podcasters or
people in the in the community
speaking there and
the the vibe is
not just to get in about with the Catholics but the vibe
is that people are feeling
in that segment that a new movement
is brewing now I know I know the last thing
I want to do is sound like oh yeah let's
vote harder and here we go again because I know
he's going to have that whole speech but
you know when I'm when I'm seeing in other
countries the third rail that's
evolving quickly in every one of these
countries and that's what I was
saying on your show a few weeks ago each
week I kept every I would keep saying it's
the earnings you know I'm seeing the young
Turks and the Tucker crowd hate to just
keep bringing them as placeholders but
those two wings I keep
seeing in more and more
groups more and more individuals
that have both of these ideologies
and they're all holding hands I'm seeing
this new movement I
have to call it a party but a
true movement that are all
55 years and all and the younger
most of them who've just
been born and raised with nonstop wars
being given all the debt and it's just
you know we're being given
the disaster country handed
to us from the baby boomers which was a lot of that
resentment there and
they don't want the religion but they want
nationalism to a certain degree they
want to keep the America
or the country that they have which
kind of sparks that whole you know
culture debate that you and I aren't going to have today
but it's like that's what seems to be
holding of this group together they're like
look we don't want progress and change
everything but on the other hand
you know we don't want all the religion
baggage stuck with us
let's just can we just blow down
and just have the country that we had in the past
whether whether you agree with that or not it's not the issue
but that's what this movement seems to
be bridging these these people
together and that Catholic
conference it was such something
about it it seemed to be kind of a
a flash point for that bringing
these people together not that it's all about Catholic
of course but the discussion is being
made and a lot of it with the
with Joe Kent coming out I think this
Joe Kent issue is
it has a lot more mileage to go
with it I mean
him of his caliber and what he saw
from the inside military
people apparently the military
the men you know the so-called
boots they're about to be put on the ground
we'll get into that of course when when you start
with the news and all but you know the soldiers
apparently are not
happy at all with this
engagement I mean the American people I mean
what is it like only 30 or 40%
of Americans are even in
support of this engagement and that's from
both parties so the troops
are not on favor of this I'm sure the parents
of the troops are not really in favor of this
you're about to be thrown as cat and fodder
just something where you know the goals have not
been laid out and blah
blah blah and now Joe Kent
who is a certified
veteran and hero to these people
is showing for the first
time who
fellow military which you and I can't
relate to you know the way that
you know the real veterans and
and military can
he's showing behind the scenes
what is going on and how these
decisions are being made and how
their lives are being used as the tokens
they are and you know the people
have got nothing to change without
history there's always the kings
and the queens they use their pawns
just like in a chess game I get it
but Joe Kent has really
grabbed a flashpoint
for the military before they're
even on the ground so that's the
huge part also we talked
I brought up a few weeks ago
how Joe Kent just looked
so presidential in this other
speech that he gave including the one he gave
at the Catholic conference and more
more people are talking about that
whether he will or not I mean they even allow
him of course but there's
that and then Joe Kent also
was rocked the boat in many other ways but
one in particular is
that he offered to testify
at the Charlie Kirk
assassination hearing right
where the Tyler
I'm sorry what's his name
the one who
the so called shooter
when we shot so we'll see what happens
but that's fascinating is that turning point
USA is now
they flipped out on their podcast
just the other day hearing
that Joe Kent is willing to testify
that the
FBI basically told him to shut down
an investigation
to look for more information into this right
but that Joe Kent
had reason to believe
that foreign countries were somehow
involved at least there was some leads
he can't prove it but there are enough
leads that it was worth investigating
and he was told directly
from a
to shut it down and don't do it
so you know that's something
to add to the defense
and you would think that Charlie
Kirk family would want to have all the information
right but no according to them
nothing to see here it's already figured out
and they're flipping out that Joe Kent
is mentioning that with the notoriety
that he's getting also Joe
Kent seems to be in that interesting
nexus of a new
voice he's not
Marco Rubio
or any of the old same characters
we kept thinking the politics
of the future is going to have to be something
new someone that
is in that right spot
that has earned people's
trust
from a sense
of humility and authenticity
and I'm not here trying to campaign for Joe
Kent by the way but
just like I talked about
what's his name
DeSantis and I brought up DeSantis to your
attention before most people
had really seen him on the political map
Joe Kent is going to be a name
and I'm seeing Joe Kent in this perfect spot
I'm seeing this third rail
pop up in all these other countries
I'm seeing it unified
in front of me
through just my exploration of
seeing the American
Zeitgeist
I won't use the C word
as coming together in real time
and so I just think
whether it's good or bad or whether
they're even allowed or they're going to say
you need too many signatures and not going to get shown a ballot
I know there's that whole election stuff
and BS
doesn't even matter because at the end of the day
like you say it's a public opinion
is what matters
and that's what's changing but it's happening
worldwide so when we get to Andrew
when we get into the
Israel three three rails because
the three rails of their country
of politics it makes a lot more
sense when you understand the three
sex and how they
how they're antagonistic
and yet what's bringing them together
and the politics
there it's very mirroring
what we're dealing with right here
just like they have a conservative wing
that's a minority wing
that's like the Schulffield Bible people
Hey Ernie, here
okay
hold on
alright
it's alright
the music is better than my voice
so sometimes I'm typing
on the wrong keyboard
it's alright
I'm such a nice it's okay
but yeah so
that was a good hit
Ernie fair enough
that was a good one though
it better if you use tangerine dream
to get my attention but
what we're seeing is like a minority
conservative group that's also
very religious
in both the
in Israel with the Zionist
the pro-Zionist wing
of the Israeli
political
groupings which of course led by Benjamin
Netanyahu and then on the flip
side you have the Zionists
that took over MAGA
the Mike Huckabees
the Ted Cruz
all of that
and of course Andrew will have a lot more
to talk about that but it's almost like
a telephone kind of like the old
Styrofoam cups with the string
you're having this communication
of the minority
conservative religious group
of conservatives on each side
that are linked together
but these other
two wings other two
groupings or parties are now
they're actually the majority
if they would come together somehow
and stop this but
anyway that's more of a
10,000 foot picture
let's get to you as far as
I saw on top of Freedom Phoenix
and we have to address just the
just the newsworthy of it
that happened on Monday and
Donald Trump said we're going to give
you a few hours and
then we're going to start bombing your infrastructure
and these threats and then
of course taco
Ernie now knows what taco means
it means Trump always checkins out
and of course he
bailed at the last minute on Monday
which of course I'm happy he did
but you know that type
of threat that we could have
had absolute Armageddon
attacking all infrastructures
of the entire Middle East
not just with Iran or
Israel's
and I think Israel's a lot worse off than they
let on which is why they're not allowing the cameras
in I think also a lot of the
settlers are leaving and if the more
settlers leave that undermines their entire
movement so there's
a lot at stake with this
but he checkins out and the last
thing I'll say regarding it is that
Trump is
each time that he
makes these threats and he backs down
and I think he's making a bigger and bigger
gambit each time
you know what it's like playing poker
and you keep upping your
your bet and you're bluffing
right and you keep
putting more and more in you keep thinking
alright if I could basically outspend
him and just out threaten him
he'll back down even though you got no cards
and that's what Trump is doing
and at some point when you're going all in
you have nothing else left
if they still call your bluff
where do you go and I guess
that's a very quick analogy
to explain where I think we're at
I think Trump is at that point
maybe maybe saw some
more runway because he hasn't dropped nukes yet
but it wouldn't put it past
someone who's that that age
has you know he might think he has nothing to lose
he believes his
his reputation as a legacy which
doesn't really doesn't matters
is going to be to solve this problem
one way or the other because if he doesn't
then he is of course
kicked out by the mid after the midterms
in my opinion he's going to lose the Senate as well
he will be impeached and thrown out of
office both
he's not going to have the own shriars
or Frank Tambore's not that I matter
or people to even support
the guy to keep the Democrats from all
just hoarding over him not that the Democrats
are going to pull us out right away because they probably
are getting paid by APAC just as much
so I'm going to be clear about that
but that's where I think he is
he's in a desperate spot
and with someone with his personality
it's a real
gambit for the rest of us so anyway
what's your take on all of that and with
the news go ahead thank you
there's so
so much stuff I'm just going to go over it
and you know hog the microphone like
Frank you know so I can get this out
JFK was Catholic
Catholic and that was like a big deal
I remember
even as a kid are the Kennedys
beholden
to the Pope
or America
same kind of thing like you're saying
Catholics are not
Zionist Catholics I mean they got
their own hierarchy
of whatever and the Vatican
is one big worldwide corporation
of anyway so this
is I remember
there was a movie what really got me
interested to take a look at the structure
it was with Anthony Quinn
he was a very popular actor
in the 60s 70s
80s and Anthony Quinn
in Lawrence of Arabia
played one of the
Arab tribal leaders
doing battle with Ottoman Empire and the German
and all that kind of stuff so Anthony Quinn
popular actor played the part
of the Pope
and what happened
was kind of what's going on now
it was China and the U.S.
Russia nuclear war
and missiles were ready to go
and everybody was like well we're
an energy crisis and we're starving
and the people need and kind of
the Pope comes up
Anthony Quinn character
he goes and he says
I'm going to tell you will not be rescinded
it can't be undone
I'm the freaking Pope and here it goes
all of our resources
are now made available
to feeding the planet
or something like that
you know it was like
we're going to do Christ's work
we're not going to
make the church
the mission
the people are the mission
communists fast everybody
you're getting fed by the Catholic church
so that
you know it was called
I can't remember the name of the movie
but it demonstrated
you know what do you say
you're here for
what do you say you do
what do you represent
the internal
strife and structure from that
was
man if you guys want to use this Bible
thing you want to give
the position that you have
the higher moral ground
that you're the moral authority
you've got to act like it
well this was to prevent
a third world war
nuclear ICBMs
flying around
do we have those people now
or that sentiment or hell even a movie
or something
no
the Vatican is a big giant business
and a lot of it is
science and technology
what they know what they're not sharing
what's in the archives
what's uncovering the secrets
exposing the lies
well hell the Catholic church
the Vatican would be one place you'd start
so how
control how much control do they
have in politics
well when you go Catholic social
services
and they are when you run for
office in any state
in the nation you'll have
Catholic social services
are embedded
at the root
of government spending
they have you know
because our reputation government can't do it
they're doing it wrong and will do it
so give us the money and we'll have a program
for soup kitchen of whatever the hell
now what has been heavily
abused has been the Catholic
church in illegal
immigration where for
you know our Catholic
brethren and increase our numbers
and get more tied and tax and
Democrats and Catholic church
and get a bunch more
Central South Americans
come here
so it has been
a
you know
scratching each other's back kind of thing
for a long time
the libertarian
philosophy
candidates, advocacy
we go to the town halls
the debates you know the endorsement
meeting
all those other crap
and you go and of course
unions anything that's a collective
they always want to do collective
advocacy
it's not
the right of an individual
it's not my farm my kids
my land my nope
it's all in the mindset
of the collective
and the collective when you get a libertarian
goes and talks to these people
presents these people whatever
and you bring up the proper rule
of government the fence of individual rights
all those other stuff takes care of itself
well there
nope
so that is one thing
that we're going to be talking about today
is this
advocacy for
collective punishment
collective
identity politics
the collective solution
the worldwide whatever
and that
is what I see
has always
been the problem
because they
dwell
in our mind
as an identified group
that you must be part of
now that
goes back to kind of the human
species and how we are in social
creatures anyway
so they weaponize that
so what do we
what do we really think
is the argument
the argument is
if you're going to
give up
your authority
over yourself
even if you believe you own
your own life and your circumstances
and your property
and I'll a little lazy
I'll let the government take care of you
who build the roads kind of thing
if you go with that attitude
you're always
advocating
for delegating authority
to someone that will do
what you want
whether it's right or wrong
moral and moral
beneficial to humanity
or your country or not
you're going to delegate authority to someone
to do it the way you want
when you do that
where do they stop
doing what they want
how do you put
chains on them
to stop them from
overreach and just the idea
of delegating your authority
hell that is the overreach
so there's all the stuff that's going on
like you mentioned
Ben Shapiro
always rub me the wrong way
always advocating for
and of course he's always
there'll never be boots on the ground
oh you don't fight or it's right
oh that'll never happen
oh no and then it does and then he
justifies it and walks back
what the hell was he was saying anyway
and the fact that they would
pick him
there's nothing better
there's somebody not more logic and reason
that can weave a tailor
to just be this
stereotypical
freaking call your names and yell at ya
and you're doing it wrong
and you know a smart guy obviously
but
not
principled in the traditional American sense
it's just you have to do
what Israel says because Israel
and I'm um
if that's the best they got
they're in trouble this is not going to last
so when your observation
of the left and right coming together
I am seeing that because
it is
so obvious
and so much of a
large segment of their support
just by numbers and population
that people
are starting to band together
around
things that they have in common
because they're stopping
the delegation
of somebody else speaking for them
and the most recent
versions of that were what
well of course
you had the revolution
you know the Ron Paul Libertarian kind of
you know came to the foreign aid
and they had to beat that down
but how do you unlearn the truth
that's a very difficult thing
that's what they're up against
and we'll talk about the project
James Corbett and I launched last night
so we'll get into that
but then you have
you know
this group think
of whatever
red, blue, left,
right, progressive, not
conservative
they, them, those versus
you know we the people
or just me or what you mean
on and on and what is
not discussed
it's rare
even Libertarian
parties you know waste of time
but Libertarian philosophy
is probably the only place that you get this
and volunteer it to anarchist or whatever
is that
why do you give
this authority
to someone else
or a government or entity
or a monopoly of force
to begin with
how is it that you're
advocating how you want
to be ruled but not if
you should be ruled
is there a benefit
to not having
a monopoly of force
in the hands of shiny badges
you know find hats and always
available gun
is that even a concept
yes
it was
it was called the second amendment
this was we put the power
in the hands of the people
now we're getting a lot
of bills that are going around
all the states always you know
in the name of guns you know we gotta
get rid of the guns and it's all about
3D printing
manufacturing
on your desk
creating whatever you need
a part for your
tractor
a part for your broken door latch
a part for your awning
a little lever switch
whatever that kept going out
the handle on the back of my
Montero door
oh man I'm gonna 3D print
through four of these man
you can suck it
so what has happened is they have legislation
that every file
that you go to your printer to do
must be
approved
wow
in the name of 3D printing guns
but that's not
where the lobby comes from
that's not why
it's all this right to repair stuff
their business model counts on
you having to take it
to a
warranty approved
shop to do your
bit and they just had
this one young corporal
they have these communication
squads or platoons
or whatever for the marines
that are you know threatening to go
grand here we go
well there are many of
they do not have the communication
packs because the antenna
is made of fiberglass
and it's always breaking
they wear out in the
elements it's got
$5,600
to replace
this 18 inch
long half diameter antenna
are you freaking kidding me
and you gotta wait
200 some days back order
why
because it's a $600 toilet seat
$100 hammer that's why
so what happened is now
they're bringing in
young men with skills and women
they come in and say hey
you know you take the cnc
3d pretty native we put it
in the shipping container part
of the expedition force if it gets
dropped off you buy a c-130
on the tarmac of you
fix our crap
and he goes okay I can do that
$10
and he created
a bunch of these replaced all these
antennas and done
they them those don't like that
that's not how they make their money
so they're going at
the states
to make this kind of manufacturing
that you can do it yourself
illegal
in the name of guns of course
we would live
in such a world of
abundance
where you have artificial intelligence
robots
robots making robots
robots 3d print
whatever you want
and what would be
the economic benefit
for people
not corporations
not collectives not governments
not groups just individuals
passing and sharing files
I have a 1980
MCI bus
now fortunately there's a lot of
stuff on the mark
you know where to go it takes you about a year to find all the places to
you know where you find this stuff
but there was a couple little cosmetic
things you just couldn't get
my friend Bob Anderson
you know he and I have exactly the same
3d printer I got the same
as him because I knew he was going to read manuals
and get it all you know Pimpified
or whatever you do I'll do to mine make it
you know what or that's why I got the same model
so
he sends me the file
and he just printed up a bunch of little plastic parts
molding that goes in makes it look like
yeah boom done
I've experienced with this
the drone part
a little broken this a broken that
they want to take
that away
where is the overlap
between the left and the right on that
they have to make it
about guns
to get the left
to not be supportive
of you manufacturing on your desk
whatever you need to fix your wisdom bank
on the right
I don't know what they because of the right
libertarian don't care man make whatever you want
while you're not you know
take responsibility for whatever you do
so this is why
you have these separations
of ideologies it's
divide and conquer
but there's always something else going on
we just have a
a settlement
for General Flynn Michael Flynn
was
DNI the Tulsi Gabbard position
in the first Trump administration
he gave general Flynn
you'd be department
of national intelligence
of the boss the coordinator
for all the other intelligence agencies
NSA
military intelligence
FBI
CIA NSA I mean you know
Flynn we got to get rid of him
Department of Justice
FBI they finally
made a settlement
I gave they gave
my paltry sum of
you pay for your own legal
money you raised
here's one point something million dollars
we gave you over a million dollars just
you know it's done shut up
so general Flynn
even though he got a pardon by Trump
had this civil case against the government
they settled it for a paltry
sum of not even a rounding
error of a million something
dollars just say you went
well where's the true story
by that we all known the true story
is Tulsi a threat like general
Flynn was doesn't seem like it
I don't know what the hell is going on there
then you have Candace
Owens just
hammering
on Charlie Kirk assassination
every little
itty bitty tidbit of
just beating the crap
out of turning point USA
Erica Kirk
and Israel
and Iran war
so here you have
under Tulsi you know one guy
you know had some
charge of whatever the heck
investigations can't
just goes and we're done
not doing it anymore
we're not playing
so he leaves
says what he's going to say
and will we ever get
a satisfactory
understanding of what's
really going on
not yet
Bongino leaves
and you know understand he just like
disappeared and he's getting heckled
where he goes he's done
Kashpatel I have no idea
you got his you know
new young girlfriend you're going to jail because
you know had sex on
your FBI jet or something
whatever the hell they got over him
whatever they got on Trump
and his family and his future
while he's making gazillions
of dollars more on new stable
coin offerings of his sons
you know crypto endeavors of
whatever
then we have
the actual war
all the stuff that Trump does
where he goes oh we're in
the deal of a lifetime
or we're not or we're going to bomb you
or we're going to we're going to
we're going to we're going to and
you got to take him serious
because he
bomb the crap out of their
nuclear facilities you know
months ago
well then he launched this war
and if I'm not going to do
boots on the ground so we put up
a Babylon B story that says
well you know it's a spoof on
that he goes they go
well they issued crocs
for the Marines so that
he wouldn't have boots
on the ground
you know really
so this is what's coming
and it's not going
to deescalate this this threat
and I don't believe that
you know Trump really is a bluffer
you know his taco thing
you know that he
does it and then doesn't do anything
well who puts that up
that's a media
deep state of Israel thing
so you say you're going to do it and you didn't do it
well why did I say I was going to do it because I wanted
this thing over here maybe he got it
maybe he didn't get it maybe
you know freaking new better
maybe maybe side
it's always you're not
killing enough people
you need to be killing more people
yep well then you have
Israel you know
Iran is not a fly by night
third world war of the day are a rich
populace
long-time culture
long-time empire
long-time Persian
they happen to be muslim
so one of the first languages
we did philosophy of liberty we made sure
we got it in Farsi so that
you know we got a project we'll talk about later but
this is
what I'm seeing happening
they want
a war they need
a war certainly Israel does
and why the US is in this
I have no freaking idea
and I don't think people
care people are just
done with the whole thing
we're done you guys go do it
and I remember this feeling
this was the feeling
you got
when the soviets
invaded Afghanistan
the late 70s early 80s
the Carter Reagan
race for presidency in
80 you know this was all coming
up and finally
can we just hurry up and get through it
I'm tired of hearing about it
just launch man whatever
you get for a moment and you start to realize
what that really means
this was the song queen made
called hammerfall
hammerfall we grew up
in the shadow of the mushroom cloud
that
is what we're looking at now
I see a mushroom cloud
for any
reason a mistake
misjudgment
stupidity
whatever
nuclear war
comply no more
you're not going to get any cooperation
any money any participation
anything out of me
we're done
what do you say you do here
what is your role for society
how much better do you make
oh nuclear war
yeah okay well you failed
government failed
all y'all sons of bitches failed
so now we have
Europe that is screaming
Germany is coming out now
their head of energy
we have a story coming up later today
she's like we missed our nuclear
reactors now
we should have never done that
now France they're all nuclear
they have you know standardized
plants that they just
you know put them off assembly lines
you know that's you know
no oil no coal no choice
so they use nuclear reactors
they're getting to the point
that they're almost like
small developments neighborhoods
factories
we could have had this years ago
it was the same thing with Tesla
Westinghouse comes out
he goes where I put the meter on your
from the atmosphere power thing
well you don't
well you're defunded
what the hell I want to do with
I can't charge you know
for that same thing with nuclear
it's so cheap hell man
you pay a $30 feet of
maintain the lines or whatever
we're done they have
so
I get my own fusion reactor
it's called the sun
so we take care
of business that way and that
with technology is what
I see happening right
now and the driver
for a lot of this stuff
with technology
with 3D printing
with CNC
cutting out machines of metal plastic
kind of sewing robot of
whatever the heck
being able to source your own raw materials
is even becoming a thing
when you have the capability
for small communities
or in-dive visuals
to make their own
replacement parts
have vehicles that are much less
complicated
now the reason we don't have
VW Beetle bug cars anymore
is they regulated
and legislated them out of existence
because
they were so popular in competing
with the big three here in America
this is why
when we went to Puerto Vallarta
BYD electric
Chinese cars were everywhere
Uber drivers all had them
loved them they were
high quality they look great
they were awesome but not in America
you're so freaking not allowed
you want to know why you don't have
small pickup trucks anymore
regulation in America
you remember when the big giant SUV
thing was all the craze
they were being subsidized
with government
tax incentives here in Arizona
they made a big debt long story
bottom line
you need a big hummer gas gullard
or whatever
because big three said
all of this stuff
is where you are starting to have an overlap
between
interests that they thought
they were up against the other guys
they thought they were up against
the other people of a different
ideology a different party
a different way of thinking
a different
when you start to find out
you're all
in the cross hairs
of they than those
that won't leave us alone
and when you stop
following their script
we just had Charles Goyette
on Monday
his book empire of lies
now he and I worked together on radio
I was his producer a couple of years
we were a fellow talk show host
on a couple of different networks
and
became good friends
he's a great writer
and reads everything
he didn't talk to anybody without fully reading their book
the empire of lies
is all about the lies
since for freaking ever
that we had been lied into war
every
one of them we got lied
into a war
and he put that all in
I mean you read this and you're like
the same
thing is happening again
what script are they following
who's really in charge
are we
and who's going to be held with the
unpayable
debt who's going to be enslaved
by that debt
what are they going to do
to resurrect control
over the money once
the petro dollar collapses
right now
they are even
Saudi Arabia
they have
stopped agreeing
to only price oil
in the petro dollar it's done
so what are they pricing
throughout the Middle East and now
the one
bricks
here it comes
and when all those dollars come
flooding home
you have not seen
inflation
like I've seen it
when I was in high school and a kid
I was paying
29 to 30
40 cents I remember it was like
less than half a dollar
50 cents
oh my god it went to 75
cents
and my 65 chabelle super support
which the speedometer
went up as fast as the gas gauge went down
and I'm going
all of a sudden
it's a dollar
40 double tripled
that's going to happen it's already happening
right now
we were down it was getting close to three dollars
and you go
sometimes with discounts at the
club of I buy my groceries
here kind of whatever the hell
and getting almost in the twos
in some places around the country I remember
during COVID our bus in Oklahoma
I paid a dollar 80 something
a gallon for diesel
but what's it now
here in Arizona it was like six bucks
well I'm going
damn it's not even California
so then you have governors
like Georgia say you know we're going to
lessen the tax burden we're going to lower it
by not having you know the taxes
on fueling we're going to go on
California raises theirs
so this is affecting
everybody
they are going to
find out what this really
is going to turn into what I keep
saying and people can't understand it
it's going to be
a food thing
what is the first thing that you're
seeing ice age farmer
was a very popular
podcaster on YouTube they got
canceled the platform whatever
he's kind of making his way back in
other places but he's
like look man this is what they're
doing to the food supply this is
how well what's his most recent
sharing
he goes with the
straights of hormones shut off
and petroleum
natural gas
ammonia all kinds of different
ways of fertilizer
fertilizer is done
there you know it's gone up
they're not going to be able to
plan or if they do the yields
you're looking at a
minimum of
20% reduction
in crop production
it is going to go
and it will be a food thing
this is why
month ago more
we decided to build our root
seller rather than working on
the build project
again put that on hold which we can
because it's all masonry and steel
where it doesn't matter to sit there
so we're out there and every day
because it's a big freaking hole
I've been digging this hole
putting it on the main house build
pad out there I need it over there anyway
and we have been just
digging and digging and digging and
digging and a sphere
dome is going to go in there
with this mesh covering and concrete
and we'll do in fashion so we can
have a root seller
because you go down about 12 feet
and it's you know 70 degrees
and 120 degree weather up here
we need that because there's
nowhere for us to put our preserves
and food and even put a freezer
or a refrigerator or something
to where it's not going to get
baked and might as well not waste
the time so that's why
because I've been screaming
it's going to be a food
thing well here it
comes so all
of this stuff about
focusing on turning point
USA cool
can't just go get some
you know I'm fine with that
what they're doing
in response and going after
people just elevate them
is building on the conspiracy
and everything that goes
it's always for Israel or whatever
Israel wants or we go to war
because Israel is going to do it we got to beat them
do it for some reason and
funding they want another couple hundred
billion dollars will they get it of course
they will
and then Ukraine
so Trump is going to look man
I can't fight
you know in Ukraine and
for Israel at the same time
you're going to have to give up the Donbass
what kind of deal is he working
with the Russians
and then what you didn't hear
was that just a few days ago
a couple days the Russians
had the largest
wave of drone strikes
ever
they had gazillion
hundreds of thousands
here they come and they hit everything
so
they go after Russia
on the finish border
they start going after the refinery plants
the ports
Iran has been
beaten the living crap
out of Israel
you take a video
you share it you have it on your phone
we see you arrested
finds
imprisonment
you are not allowed to show
what's going on
do we know
no we don't
we don't
and whatever we do know
we think we know
you need
to be there
you need to have the 15 year old
kid with his iPhone
that's able to put it up somewhere
where?
when we first started doing IPFS
the criteria that I gave
I said I want to be able
to post from a phone
a video
of what just happened
the smoking rim of the car bomb
and the city of whatever the hell
and it put up and it can't be taken away
Drew and Derek
did it in a day
and they showed me
and we were in Maine
and a good friend of ours
Justin Olson
young man was sitting there
and I go all right
we took a video of him
we were sitting sort of a campfire
we had a forager just throwing
scrap aluminum in there
might as well be
mountain aluminum and putting them in little
cupcake pans or something
while we were sitting around drinking beer
so we were sitting there doing that
I took a short video
or a picture of him
posted it up
couldn't be taken down
I paid a thousand dollars
for that as an NFT
just a reward Drew and Derek
for them creating this capability
a thousand dollars
for the first NFT
of an IPFS
media graphic
I still have that
this was
got 20
20 20 I think
something like that
or even before
but the reason was
because I knew that capability
was going to be
what brings down empires
the empires of lies
what happens when you uncover the secrets
and expose the truth
and they can't take it down
they can't
de-platform it
they can't delete it
and you get that 13-year-old kid
in his iPhone
that outs everything
when the first Gulf War
was going on there
saying all that they're massing on the border
and they're this and that
they was some Miami journalist
paid for a satellite take a picture
there were no tanks
you guys are all lying sacks of snot
I got the satellite footage of it
people forget about that they care
they win it anyway
so we have to go through this
with the use
of principle
how do we identify
when it is in
our best interest
to do or not do or protect
America and her interest
what the hell that means
and her interest
was the freedom
of its people
that live in this geographic area
of America and we're Americans
and you know
truth justice in an American way
that is their goal
that is the well-defined
documented promise
they made to the people
of the United States of America
hands down
the most rich
the most productive
the most
property laden
freaking we got it
so that's what made us a target
and they are strip mining
the middle class
in the name of whatever the hell
and you're not allowed to fix your own stuff
you're not allowed to sell
your own stuff
you're not allowed to
do anything that they don't
get a cut of because that
taxes
so this has to change
it's going to change
but a lot of it has been based
on the lie
that we owe
other countries
other treaties
other organizations
anything
Israel, NATO
Europe
trading partners
trans-pacific international treaty
of favored nation
you're allowed secret handshake crap
Wef
Davos
Bilderberg
it's so
deluded
what made America so great
so fast
and we are allowing it
to happen
I'm just going to do headlines real quick
in this light and then we'll go over
these
when you're just saying
decide how you want to put it in
but I have some comments on what you were just talking about
so we can do it now or after the headlines
you have
three minutes to comment
don't turn it into a 20 minute thing
because I got to get this news in
and I'm going to get it in
I got a mute button
well do the news
and then before Andrew giving it enough time
in like 5-10 minutes
I'm going to go over some of these things
it won't be too long but I'm not going to be timed to 3 minutes
but go ahead go to your news then
but I'm going to come back to this topic then
thanks
troops being dragged into Iran
how it will cripple the US
and the real goal
of Israel's violence
this is a Tucker Carlson
thing
what does he represent
I have no idea
but it's contrary to what they're trying to do
so they definitely
want to shut him up
and how would they be able to do that
they haven't been able to
do by
I don't know making fun of him
because Charles and I talked about this Monday
when he was
one of the most popular
talk show hosts here in Arizona
he was on a clear channel
station KFYI
he was between Rush Limbaugh
and Sean Hannity
that tells you how popular he was
support the troops
that was the mantra
he goes no that means
support the war
and I'm not doing it
he was one of the early
dissenters
for all this stuff
had guests on that new
military guys
institute guys
and when I produced for them
we got to add a whole bunch of
contacts and stuff that I had
so they went after
you could
take them up to the cliff
overlooking the valley and say this all
could be yours only if I'm not doing
that oh yeah
well I experienced the same thing
and then he and I together experienced the same thing
the media
is so controlled
and they do it with money of course
what advertising you get
what stigma they apply to you
what doesn't matter about the popularity
doesn't matter
what your ratings are doesn't matter
it's what they want it to be
so there's that
China aims to be the new
global king of nuclear power
and no one's paying attention
now
Australians and Germans
they're seeing they screwed up
they're
going into the toilet with their power
and it's going to take a while
if not a long time
to recoup
the electrons that they can make
but what are people doing
they've lost faith in their governments
and utilities and collectives
so they start buying their own solar panels
where do you think they're getting them from
China
what does that do to silver it goes up
I mean you know silver and gold are taking a hit
you know is that intentional
doesn't matter
in the end
you just sit on it
because here it comes
just saying
total collapse of private credit
this is something that nobody
is paying attention to that we've been covering
because
people don't understand how big this is
you have
all the big banks and what they're doing
and then you have
less regulated private credit markets
big hedge funds
big family wealth
they have their own investments
in real estate
we don't mind if you stop paying
then it becomes ours
and we own a bunch of real estate
but it's getting so bad
that it may be the trigger
that starts the economic collapse
and that of the dollar
here in America and we have been
covering this you go total collapse
of private credit
pension funds are cooked
the reason is
is that for return
all these pension funds 401ks
whatever the heck they're doing
they make these private credit things
AAA because
they say they are so that they can invest
in them and they dump a bunch of money in
collect the commissions and somebody
makes it on the front end of
Patrick Byrne called it a pig's breakfast
it's just
they just glean a bunch of transaction fees
and commissions and crap
and the more back and forth thing do the better
it just bleeds the entire investment
well this is what's going on now
and it is in commercial real estate
in 07
when I thought the commercial
real estate was going to go
as much as the housing market
in fact
I counted on it
did some investing
did a little bit of education
got my real estate license
during a six week period between radio stations
just to fill my time and get
participate in what I thought
was going to be a liquidation
of commercial real estate
it didn't happen
because what they did with the tarp
they took all their toxic waste
all of their crap
gave them dollar for dollar on it
and just had it sitting on the books
well now it's back in the hands
and bought it pennies on the dollar or whatever
to all of these financial institutions
and it's going
after you have work at home
COVID happened
lockdowns you have technologies
and here we go
and who's invested in that a lot
your retirement
you're going to notice
this is why I've been saying
past few months this year
26 and before the end of 25
my family, friends on this show
get
out
of paper
if it says it on a statement
on something you get online from
it's clinking and clanking
and you're a holdy touchy feely
land
productive businesses
of precious metals
of wheat
copper
something
a building
a piece of equipment that makes you money
if you're just in paper
and it says that you don't got it
and you're going to see it
go away
now there's technology
things here
big chip breakthroughs
are challenging how much
cost is for chips
for AI
for then
SpaceX and next AI they're going to space
with data centers
that have a polar orbit
so it's always facing the sun
all the power they need
we'll see how that goes
there's one story we put up for this reason
this carbon fiber
motor will change
transport
forever
when I heard about
this new motor from YASA
that delivers 1000
brake horsepower
in just 12.7
kilograms 28 pounds
I had to learn more about it
there is so much genius
engineering that goes into this motor
that I hope I have done it justice
these are hub motors
that you can just take off
your rotor and braking system
just put it on, bolt your tire
to it, run it to the battery
in your trunk and you're done
in fact I kept
one of my favorite Monteros
to do this
I've been waiting for hub motors to come in
it's going to be a
accelerator to a raspberry pi
some cheap lithium iron phosphate
or new batteries
and these hub motors and we're done
and all I got to do is make sure
the connection is there
and you know
put the fuses in it
here we go
but those can't have that
there is a new battery called Donut
that they just mass
production
they went into production on the motorcycle first
they are already in the wild
Bob Anderson goes can I buy it
doesn't exist I can't buy it
can't buy it on the shelf I can go get it
then it's real
if it's not, it's not real
well this is real
they have
5 minute charging, 80%
kind of thing
they have all of the great density
you can start using it for aircraft
and it's called Donut
just go look it up
and the chemistry
they're being all proprietary secret
but the performance is coming out
this is when I have Eric Peters
you'll see a lot of his stuff on the internet
he's a big
ice engine
internal combustion
he's got to go vroom vroom
I hate electric
they're bad because of this
short range, charging anxiety
how long does it take to charge
how well before
what happens when they fix that
what happens when that's double
what happens when that is twice as fast
I need vroom vroom
well BMW puts speakers on
it makes it go vroom vroom
they just got their own bias
but what happens when we open it up
that anybody can make them
you can buy them from anywhere
and you have these capabilities
it's coming
it's right now
that's why we cover tech
you go on the left side of phoenix
you'll see in the left bar
you scroll down and it says
top tech news
and that's where it goes
so I'm going
alright
we are one event
away from silver going
absolutely parabolic
Peter Schiff
talking about silver
now later we'll get into
what we launched last night
the philosophy of liberty project
we've been working on for months
Corbin and I
have been looking for
something we can put our efforts toward
a worldwide
solution
I'm so sick of arguing
you know he had just done stories on
Iran of course we've been covering it
I don't want to talk about that
we're going to talk about our solution
and that's what he wanted to do too
we were prepped for it
we finally turned it on live
Libertas.Earth
Libertas is the Latin root word for liberty
liberty
on the whole planet
I vote that
if I got a vote I vote that
Libertas.Earth
and you'll see
we have 54 languages
translated
in an 8 minute video
of what this is all about
self ownership
of all the things that I've been talking about
this is what's happening
right now
now we have things like interesting like
claims are circulating
online that Larry Silverstein
has opened a terrorism insurance policy
on a big building he has in Los Angeles
US bank
tower well he's the guy
that got paid a bunch of money
for the World Trade Center
yeah I went and got it
oh I'll give you my money
yeah
so he's doing the same thing in LA was he
no
fishermen have stopped fishing
because they can't afford
diesel
same thing is going here domestically
fertilizer
fuel cost
equipment cost I can't keep it running
I gotta wait for John Deere to come out and push a button
on a computer screen for my
$13 widget to work
on my big giant
$300,000 combine
this is
we're going through a major shift
and I don't think people realize it
and what will trigger it
it's going to be a food thing
yeah
alright so
got a bunch of
odds and ends here before I get back to
what you were saying earlier
a couple odds and ends first off
we have you mentioned
SpaceX I'm not sure
this is not an investment advice or anything but
I understand of course SpaceX is about to go public
they're filing for
you're not allowed to do it all the rich
people get to do it first you gotta wait
right exactly
so apparently there's the pre-IPOs
going on right now
when you look into it the normies
regular slaves have to
wait until the summer whenever
the IPO apparently will come out
now when everybody else made all the money
Juan was already talking about and saying oh
if you get in now you're looking at a
$500X increase
and of course he's talking probably to his own
private the
super investors who are allowed to get in now
with that said and again this is not
investment advice but we started researching
into it there are about
three companies two of them are funds I
believe that have advanced
SpaceX offering or positions already
not much like
3% 5% but
that apparently is the only way that normies
can get in
so I think one of them called
Echo Star and that's
a company that works on
on worldwide communication networks
and they also are trying
to become I guess they're like a third party vendor
to Starlink
so they already have Starlink in their
in their grouping and they're merging with
them not merging but you know their technologies
are they're not a competitor to Starlink
let's say and then you have SpaceX
holdings on top of that it's just an
interesting company or at least other
companies out there that have exposure
just throwing it out there I'm not telling
to invest in them but that was the only way
that normies can do so also
this is just something random
this is just random
and they're looking
at $500 a share
right now for the pre-IPO
who the heck knows what it's going to be when it comes
out and it's going to be an
interesting day in business assuming
the economy doesn't collapse first because
I can almost see everyone puts all their money
into SpaceX like when Google
first had an IPO and it went stupid
in the amount and then
of course if the tech sector
the stock market crashes that'll be a fun day
also and I don't want to
get into the whole thing crypto and all of that
and Ari knows this person very well
Joby Weeks I never really
got to meet the gentleman I've heard a lot
about him through you and through others
through Freedom Phoenix but he of course
he's under house arrest and that's a whole other
I'm saying this quick for those of you know who Joby
is I don't want to get into it but Joby Weeks
did a fantastic interview first
real full interview I've seen outside
of like the freedom community on redacted
you know that podcast redacted many of you
watched maybe you already
posted it I don't know but it was a full hour
interview it was fantastic
and I just interviewed him
few weeks ago did you
he's a real character
he's just he's got a great energy about
him he's a special person I'll just
leave it there so you know I would encourage
you to check out the interview with Ernie
and redacted if you want to see what he looks like
and all of that so
and then going back to some of the comments
you're saying about
about the wars and such
I want to start with the kind of like a
10,000 foot it's like
a little overdone phrase but have you
heard of Ernie I think you have Thucydides
trapped you know but what that is
yeah it's when
empires collide
of something yeah so basically
it's a term that kind of got coined
about 2011
from there's an
Athenian historian
just a military historian
named Graham T. Allison
and he wrote a book on this
and it comes
from Thucydides
who's from Athens
Greece and he had mentioned
an observation that he was in this book called
the history of the Peloponnesian War
it was that the rise of Athens
and the fear that this instilled in
Sparta that made the war
inevitable so that line
that phrase from Thucydides
had Allison
write about this more and essentially
what it means is that when
there's an emerging power
it threatens the power that's already
established and then therefore
war is inevitable
and so I guess what I was
with how it self-tales a little bit with this
is that we get into the weeds and God knows
Ernie hates it especially when I get into the weeds
about like you know whether it's the
voting issue or it's about this person
here and of course Ernie tries to summarize
it as ouch quit it and he certainly has a point
I think it's important to understand the weeds
to see where you're at
at the ground level
like boots on the ground level
but at the same time it's important to check your six
as we say and to see maybe
at the end of the day this is just human nature
it's like putting you know like I
talk about a bunch of apes together
and you're gonna have a certain number of alphas
and the rest become betas it's just
nature and with
Thucydides trap it's just
it's going to happen heck all you have to do
is check out a prison you know
a new guy gets thrown into prison he looks pretty
tough you know it's automatically
the guy the head
inmate is gonna beat the hell out of him
just to teach him a lesson and say I'm in charge
or maybe not and the new
the new young buck takes over
and that's really what it comes down to
so we could get into all the weeds about why
and the nuclear program and Israel
this and we can go all day on that which we will
soon when Andrew gets
here but at the end of the day
maybe it's just inevitable there's a number of examples
he has I won't read all of them but
you have like example
one the ruling power in the late 15th
century was Portugal rising power
with Spain you know you have
France in the first half of 16th century
rising power with Spain at the time
you have
France was the dominant
power and then Great Britain took on France
United Kingdom was then in the lead
France took it back and then you have China
and Russia where Japan was
rising power and they were at war for a while
United Kingdom versus the United
States in the early 20th century
it just keeps going on and on so anyway
that's kind of where we are now so maybe
in a sense all of the details don't matter
because that's where we're at also
regarding the military
the US military I was
watching a fascinating interview with
some military historians
and they're saying that another trap
that America has now
is with our military
and how unprepared we are
and how the whole world is starting to see this
which adds to Trump showing
his hands and his cards
he's flashing his cards as they say
and I don't think he understands it or knows it
I mean you might say
Trump's the plan
but there was a part that they mentioned
I think maybe
it's gonna
maybe take its toll and what do I mean
they were saying that when you're in a war
in the very beginning of a war
both sides usually
get hammered with casualties
and the reason is because
you don't know what the other attack
vector is
it's kind of like if you have a fight with somebody
out in the schoolyard or at a bar
you have no idea really
how much training the other guy has
even someone who doesn't look that big
might actually have more talents
when you first start fighting or competing
you have to get into a feel
of very quickly
otherwise you're gonna be done
the strategies that they're using
and you have to outflank them quicker
and it's kind of like in chess or poker
whoever can outflank the other guy quicker
has the advantage
and so you're gonna get all the casualties
because you don't understand what their tech is
and then very quickly
you have to tweak and change
to reduce your casualties
and you find whatever you need to do
it's like in World War I
when all of a sudden you're hit with machine guns
and mustard gas
I mean they've never seen anything like that before
and so warfare just changed
on a fly and eventually
you start to see like a sine wave
you see the spike in death and mortality
when you first confront an enemy
and then hopefully it starts to go down
as you learn the other person's
weaknesses or talents or how things
work keeping that in mind
America has always
had a strength of
full-on warfare
tanks and bombers
full-on ground war
here comes America
with the American military
at least since World War I
has been tooled
to handle
but it changed
this is an interesting point
this is what these generals were talking about
so this is not me
I'm just regurgitating what they were talking about
but that since
the war on terror
since 9-11
and you could argue even a little bit before that
is that the entire military
has been retooled for insurgency battles
being in Iraq
and Afghanistan and what have you
all of the money it's all been
and the talent and the techniques
and the generals and the people
at the top who remember full-on warfare
they've retired or passed on
and so now the people in charge
are veterans of
the 9-11 years
and so it's all about going
house to house and having some kid
with a sweatpants
shooting them a little
missile at you a little arm missile
and then running away I mean that's pretty much
what they've dealt with you know having the
hummers and not getting blown up with mines
that's where their talents are
Russia and China
have not been doing this they've been
constantly focused on full-on
battles and now
we get to the sine wave and the Ukraine
war because America is
not really we're not on the ground
there right because boots on the ground
being a political issue for Biden at the time
or for anybody and Trump will figure this one
out but Russia
has been doing a full-on war
against Ukraine
and you know Ukraine's been getting pummeled
but Russia is now learning
about what the tech is because
we're giving it to them so they're
seeing so they now
have had years practicing
against American tech and finding
out its weaknesses and one of the biggest weaknesses
America has because we're not
directly fighting Russia
is the drone technology
apparently Russia has one of the
best drone techs in the world
and America is way behind
with drone tech forgetting the fact that
we don't have a lot of the
exotic metals the rare earth metals
to keep making them right that's
all another story so it's a fascinating
point about the weakness that
if we're going to turn around now and start
and we're going to threaten the world about taking
Greenland and a boots on the
ground in Iran where you know Russia
can get involved in such we've already
or not we're not only so depleted from
all these other excursions not to mention
the economy about the bus like you right
we're bringing up it's all about to go
but you know Trump thinks that our
military is the military from the
World War II movies with John
Wayne you know starring in them
those days apparently our military
is no we're close to that on
on top of the fact that our troops
only want to be there you know back in
World War II many of you know there was
I'm sure we all have a grandfather
somebody who lied about their age
to get into the war imagine that today
I mean it's like completely opposite
of the culture behind
I'm sorry the enthusiasm
for war behind it but
so I wanted to bring that up it was a very fascinating
point to watch and then
the last couple of things as you're
seeing that the it's like
like the Thucydides trap
is that that's maybe
at the end of the day why we have to go
through this is that our country
and we've talked about this in the show before
it's just it has to fail I don't
want it to but it needs to be
put down a couple rungs as
this new world this new order
changes where America is not
the hegemony of the world you know
you've heard my speech before about liberal
democracy versus fascism versus
communism and that you've heard
that you know for years I've talked about that
where fascism was the first to go
from the third right and then came
communism and then the the wall
fell there and the only thing left was liberal
democracy which we thought was a good
thing but our power liberal
democracy was unchecked and that turned
into you know world
associations and you know the UN having too much
power and the hegemony of the world
and trying to take over everyone's
financial systems and so the rest
of the world is saying enough of this
America needs to go back in their place as
just a participating power and
the rest of the world is trying to figure
things out with bricks and the like
and we're seeing this the effect here at
home you mentioned the TSA
well you look at the TSA I mean
you know you've got these long lines you have
domestic non tranquility
if that's such a term and that
and that you see the war we're about to
put boots on the ground in open World War
3 to keep our
power or to keep Israel
in their place which Andrew
any moment he'll be talking about that with
us he just came in all right great thanks
and hi Andrew we'll be with you in a second
so so you know you won't
you're seeing you're seeing all of
anyone 47 minutes
straight so I'm being I was such a nice
guy but anyway so you have all you
have this
this this this this hegemony
that America the powers that be
the deep state the military industrial
complex blah blah blah and of course
Israel has their whole art to this
and it's like you know Israel
knows that America is about to go down
that their hegemony is over and that's
also I think it's adding to the
to the to the trap
that we just
talked about they know America is about to
get to go down with with rising
powers competing and they
have hit their wagon to America for so long
they want to suck out whatever they can
to get whatever advantages they can
at our expense and you know from Israel
government point of view again I don't
blame them from their point of view
you know they're gonna they're gonna use it as long
as they can but this is why we have separate
interests but if you just look at the people
the home front you have long lines
you can't even get on an airplane with
the people themselves with a
government shutdown which for libertarians
that's a holiday but you know it's like
the system is not working at all
for how long you can't get
on an airplane I keep saying this but it's
disrupting so many things in business
and and not to mention vacation time
for spring break that we just had they're coming
up you have all this happening
and yet all of the attention
every press conference everything
is about a war that
Donald Trump ran on he wouldn't do
and then lastly is with Joe
Ken I know I talked about him earlier but
everything I just talked about just now
it just lines back
up with Joe Kent and no I'm not trying to have a
love affair with Joe Kent I'm just
I smell these things just like when Donald
Trump came down the aisle at the escalator
and I said I know this guy is gonna be
the disruptor you guys won't believe it
and I said that about Ron DeSantis although
I also didn't think he was gonna make it but I knew
he would be a player this will be Joe Kent
and just to echo what I was talking about
you know there's the draft
they're threatening the draft and if you
think young boys who a lot of them don't
have a lot of testosterone anyway and that's
another conversation for maybe later on
in the show afterwards about
a sexist society but
you know you've got young men who do not
want to be fighting and if there's a threat
of a draft or there is a draft
Joe Kent's popularity goes through
the roof also Joe lost
his wife you know but in the
military I mean how many how many people
if he becomes a publicist he is a politician
but if he runs for office how many
I mean you never you don't run in
war heroes running for office anymore I guess
the last one we've ever had was Eisenhower
but to have Joe Kent
who lost his wife he has
I hate to say this term a story
it's like an American Idol doesn't matter
how good you sing you have to have like
a dying grandmother or somebody in
order to give you a good story to
for people to root for again in no way
am I trying to minimize
Joe Kent we gotta get to Andrew
he's lost but
that's that's the issue there is
I think his story is
going to ring true especially
if you have veterans or people in the
military currently who who
have losses of family lose their children
then there's troops on the ground
which is going to decrease votes
immensely since Ben Shapiro even said
that will never happen with his eyebrows
and then of like I think you're saying
I think it was you but you know they keep
changing you know this will never
happen and then when it does they just
flippantly say well of course it had to
happen and it's the ultimate gas
lighting and then you have the lack
of credibility of this
administration I mean remember that poll
they put out last week that MAGA
100% of MAGA supports
the president and the war
I mean it's incredible it's like
watching Pravda or CNN
and if you don't you're not MAGA
you're excommunicating yeah and
while you were talking the you know
your last round of chatting I just
got pressing news
exciting news Donald Trump
I'm not making this up
and then we'll turn to Andrew here
Donald Trump officially said
that he needs to change MAGA
he needs to change what MAGA stands
for because MAGA is make America
great again now Ernie and Andrew
I hope you're both sitting down for this
so he just announced he's got to change
it because make America great
again means that America is not great
he now has said
it's now great and so
he needs to change the term
so you're feeling
you're feeling greater now Ernie
you feel great you feel like he won
I guess he won we haven't even solved
any problem you know
not one Epstein person has even been investigated
and we're about to go to World War 3
and in the financial system
and food and
but apparently Donald Trump has
claimed victory at this time
okay that's a segue let's get to
Andrew
Andrew are you there
Andrew asleep
Andrew
Donna
check with
give Andrew a call
see if he dropped out or something
he's not coming in
not sure if my audio
works
I think I'm ready
whenever you get your
audio work and Andrew
just go ahead and pipe in
you know so that we can do or you can
call back and you know try it
because I don't know
I'm not sitting in front of your computer man it's you
so you can go ahead and hang up
and come back in or work with Donna
Donna call him and see if you can help him
now
the one thing I wanted to Andrew
if you could hear this I wanted
to preface our conversation
with several things that have
you know been part of
American lore and
is something that I saw
happen after 9 11
what it was
it was called just war doctrine
and this just war doctrine
thing how it manifested
itself and in fact it was
Charles Goyette and I
walk through this because
it was all the
rage at the time
what happened was this
they went to
all the churches now keep in
mind when baby bush
came in they started this thing
faith-based initiatives
and of course
you know the right one is it
left it and I out quit it back and forth
and what was going on
is well we got to have
a war because it's a just war
and we're going to
convince everybody it's a just war
and then we're going to war
this is build up into the invasion
and so on well
and continuing it and
it was a thing what they did
as they go to the churches
they go to the church leadership
they get the church leadership
to get the bible study
the bible study men
for the bible study
men to get other men
to go to
one of the leaders homes
to be indoctrinated
with this just war doctrine
thing
Charles and I went
to one of these
it was our bible study
leader at my church
that had it at his home
that you know
probably like a dozen guys
go in there
manly men
want to do the right thing
men of men now of course
Charles and I were now this is
this war we just want to see
you know how they're conning you guys
when we got their introductions
you know what's up and everything
then they had a set
curriculum that they were following
this is the curriculum
so then we have
can you hear us now Andrew
yes
okay there you go
go ahead and listen to this
and then I want to get your input on this
during the just war doctrine years
I don't remember
you were junior high
or something so I have no idea
if you even knew about this
but they had all the men
go to one of the leaders homes
and they got indoctrinated
it was a multi
week thing it was
like double digits like 10 weeks it was
it had to be a few
over a few months they were going to
make political war activists
out of everybody at
all of the Christian churches this was
definitely a Christian
Zionism thing
so Charles and I sat there and we asked
what about
nope nope nope
you're not allowed to ask questions
until at the end
of the 10-12 weeks
not even at the end of that day
you just came and got indoctrinated
you showed up the next week
the next week
and they're going to make Christian Zionists
out of you know
whether you like it or not
this is a southern Baptist church
so I'm like wow this is how
they're doing it
it was called a just war doctrine
it's an ethical framework
with roots
in Augustine and Aquinas
used to determine when
war is morally
permissible
just adbellum
and how it must be conducted
just in bellow
which is Latin for whatever
it requires a legitimate
authority
just cause like self-defense
right in tension
whatever that is
and it's a last resort
while requiring
proportionality
and immunity
for non-combatants during fighting
this just war doctrine
that Israel was definitely
helping push
definitely
obviously does not
apply to what's going on in Gaza
let me just say it
so these key principles
you have a just cause
and it gets into detail about that
you have a legitimate authority
you know it's a
lawful sovereign government or authority
not private groups you're not allowed
you know
right in tension the goal must be
to reestablish a just
peace not for territorial
gain
vengeance or economic dominance
so none of this is applying to Israel
last resort all peaceful
alternatives have been exhausted
reasonable
chance of success
this is something that was interesting and debated
a war that is doomed
to fail is considered unjust
because it wastes lives for no reason
now of course Americans
they're just you know
they man we're going down
on our standing on our feet
not on our knees kind of thing so
there's that
proportionality the good to be
achieved must outweigh
the expected evil and destruction caused
by war then in
conduction of the
the war you know
it's a non-combatant
immunity and you must distinguish
from civilians and combatants
proportionality the violence
must be proportionate to the objective
excessive force is forbidden
and this is kind of how
Iran is arguing this
all right we'll retaliate this and no more
we won't escalate we'll respond
they're trying to follow this
I think just to
make us look stupid we're not following our own
just warcraft
military necessity actions taken
must be necessary to achieve
achieve a legitimate
military goal
now justice after the war
just postbellum
this focusing on establishing
a just peace
repairing damage
ensuring fair treatment of the
defeated party well then
here's Iran going yeah
you want to stop this war
we need reparations you gotta pay to
rebuild all our crap
you know they're following
the just war doctrine
it seems to me
and we definitely not
especially with the involvement of Israel
now
throughout our culture a lot of times
we always go back to
Star Trek all right
there was an episode called a taste
of Armageddon
they're always
working on current events
be it racism
war you know
economic stuff whatever
the old Star Trek especially
definitely was getting all political
there was
an episode
before we go to Andrew
I'm going to play this a little bit
about there needs to be
now I'm not going to play the whole thing
but it's just there needs to be
some cost to war
can't make it this
you know insulated from
you know
you know kind of sort of almost war
I mean you're going to have war
you know this
Geneva Connect vengeance thing
United Nations if you're doing it right
now war is freaking war
well this is a
Hexeth thing
we need to just take the gloves off and bomb everybody
and keep bombing until they're all dead
let God sort them out you know
and the glow from the nuclear radiation
whatever the hell
so there's that argument
do you want war to literally be hell
are you going to have
like a kinder gentler war
and we're really serious about this
well if you make it too sanitized
you keep having it
so this is the point
that they're making here
go ahead and play this real quick
and you'll see what I mean
have been located
identified and fed into our fire control system
in one hour
and 45 minutes
the entire inhabited surface of your planet
will be destroyed
you have not long
to surrender your hostages
what can I do
somebody
death
destruction
disease, horror
that's what war is all about
and on
that's what makes it a thing
to be avoided
you've made it neat and painless
so neat
and painless you've had no reason to stop it
and you've had it for 500 years
since it seems to be the only way I can say
if my crew
my ship
I'm going to end it for you
one way or another
Mr. Ambassador
yes Captain
would you mind taking these people out into the corridor
and holding them there
gentlemen if you'll please
you
come with me
Mr. Osborne
our communicators weapons
these are the attack computers Captain
that one's defense
that one computes the casualties
they're all tied in with a subspace transmission unit
which keeps them in constant contact
with their vendican counterparts
that's gone
the moment contact is broken
it abrogates the agreement between the two warring parties
what are you going to do
this one's the key
the circuit is now
locked
destroy this one and they'll all go
get them out of here
wait a minute please
let's go
have a conversation
here we go
I've given you back the horrors of war
the vendicans will now assume
that you've broken your agreement
and then you're preparing to wage real war
with real weapons they'll want to do the same
only the next attack they launch
will do a lot more than just count up numbers
on a computer
they'll destroy your cities devastate your planet
you of course will want to retaliate
if I were you I'd start making bombs
yes Councilman you have a real war
on your hands
you can either wage it with real weapons
or you might
consider
an alternative
put an end to it
make peace
there can be no peace
don't you see we've admitted it to ourselves
we're a killer species
it's instinctive it's the same with you
your general order 24
alright it's instinctive
the instinct can be fought
we're human beings
with the blood of millions
savage years on our hands
but we can stop it
we can admit that we're
killers but we're not going to kill today
that's all it takes
knowing that we're not going to kill
today
and that's all it takes
we're just not going to kill today
maybe not tomorrow
let's hear from Andrew
let's hear from our guest
greetings
thanks
thank you
let me introduce him a little bit first Frank
well now
wait wait wait
I just want to say something first because you just did
that was a long intro there
I just want to mention briefly
before you're going to jump back in on this
that I had talked to Andrew
I mentioned to the audience a few weeks ago
I had a nice conversation with Andrew
Ernie will talk more about his background and activism
we'll get to that quick
but I really want to hear his thoughts on
what's going on in with Israel
Andrew comes from a very religious background
and obviously religion
as very
people of different viewpoints on it
so we're just hearing an opinion from Andrew
but there is
this discussion about
this religious war that this current
issue with Iran
and Trump and Yahoo is about
and for those of us that
maybe are not involved in the religious
concepts that are going on here
about the Schofield Bible
and Genesis 12 and it's sometimes
I feel like when I'm watching Tucker or some other
shows I'm watching a revival meeting
rather than world events and foreign
policy but the fact that religion
now has injected itself
into both the politic body
of both Israel which I'll talk
sometime later about the three
parties going on there
and here in America with Huckabee and the rest
I just thought it was apropos
to have someone who is one of us
in a sense a libertarian, a background
who also understands the religious
debate that's happening
at least for normies like myself
so I just wanted to explain to the audience
why and Andrew is a great friend
of the show and all of us and I had a
very enjoyable discussion with him
he went on for a while
and I thought you know this would be great information
for the audience and that's why
I threw it to Don and Ernie and I'm glad we have him
on the show so I just wanted to point that out
go ahead Ernie
Thank you
this is the book
that came to my mind
it's called
The Late Great Planet Earth
now what happened
is it was very popular in the late
70s early 80s and so on
and the reason was
is because it tried to put in the context
you know there's a biblical
road map
you know it's kind of like
a timeline that we can
expect for what do you
say the wars are all about
Middle East and this and that whatever was going on
so what happened was
it's not that it's true
or not that's not even the point
the point is
is that it's a template
it's being used
the Bible and different things
in out of context whatever
that they're following
a road map
that has been given to the seminaries
been given to the training
for them being ministers and pastors
and a lot of times
they don't even know it
they don't know that this is not
real Christian doctrine
they don't know that their seminary has been
hijacked this is like Frank
has experience with the medical schools
you know they're not talking about
nutrition nutrition what the hell is that
you know they always are talking about
what it is that they want
to push
so Andrew came up
Andrew's a good activist
big hey and his wife Gwen
part of the Ron Paul revolution
he's also done you know some videos
a lot of activism on his own
he's you know and he's
a really good Christian
husband man
father bringing up a family
and has done
some of his own research
and understands
this issue
Frank suggested that
you know a good friend of the show
and a good guy
and understanding libertarian philosophy
can come on
and shed light on this
now we have a story up
with Chuck Baldwin talking about this
on Top of Remus Phoenix now and he'll be on
next month and we'll get
his view on this because he was
part of that
grouping
of pastors and so on that got
the indoctrination he saw for what it was
and he's excommunicated himself
from this influence but
this is one of his congregations
he still has it in Montana
so that's why
we're having this discussion
I'm going to leave you alone
to express yourself we'll see if Frank can
alright go Andrew
learn about this man
introduction with Star Trek and you have to
end with that comment
unbelievable anyway but I appreciate it
thank you Ernie and we'll see if Ernie's quiet too
but Andrew welcome
and what would you like those to
lead off with
I think before we get started
one thing I want to remind everyone
is that
we all have
friends, colleagues
family
that are
in this mindset
this you can call
Zionist Christianity Dispensationalism
we're going to get into that a little bit
where this
ideology, this theology or
eschatology comes from
and we have to remind ourselves
as we're talking about that
these Christian
these Christian brothers of ours
they're still
Christians they may be
we may be in complete
disagreement on the eschatology
and the eschatology
views maybe
are shaping
and forming
the decisions
where their support lies
what their expectations are
and that translates
into politics
as well
but we have to remind ourselves
that these are still Christians
these are still good people
these are our friends
and so
as difficult as it may be
we do want to come
in through that and not
get wrapped up into
kind of like a fight
or kind of like
really, you know
we want to build bridges
we don't want to destroy relationships
we want to bring people into the realization
so we need to know the words
that you're saying eschatology
is the theological
study of last
things focusing on the ultimate destiny
of humanity and the cosmos
including death, the judgment
and the final state
key themes include the return
of Jesus Christ, the resurrection
of the dead, final judgment
and the renewal of creation
aiming to provide hope and meaning
it serves as a framework
for understanding God's ultimate purpose
in history so that's eschatology
you know or
ecotot whatever
so don't go through around these big words man
we gotta know what they mean
so let's talk about a little eschatology
just to kind of frame it
eschatology is not
just
doesn't have just one
view of the
end times there are many
systems I'm not
I'm not very big on systems
because systems are created by people to interpret
the Bible
and when you take
a human system where you have
kind of an end idea
and then you try to impose
that on the Bible
or onto
Scripture then
you're going to try to
read things into it
or put it into a
certain viewpoint that
may not be historical
for Christians
and
the current eschatology
that we're talking about
is called dispensationalism
and
dispensationalism
I think it's good to take a historic view
where did it come from
how long has it been around
because a lot of people like me
I'm very much a product
of dispensational theology
by family
evangelical family
go ahead
What does that mean?
So
dispensationalism
is a
term that was coined in
1927
I believe
around that time
by Philip
Moro
he was a
Evangelical he actually
at the time dipped his toes
into this theology
and to get to that
the theology
actually goes back further
than when it was coined
it was already a thing
so if we want to go back to the beginning
and before I get there
I wanted to say one thing though
I didn't want to skip too far ahead
but I wanted to just
kind of go back to the fact
of my experience
of life and kind of how I come here
because I was raised in
a household
that had what people would call today
you know
kind of a Zionist Christian views
right but it's not
you know when you're raised
in that and you're going to church
you know that's not like a
very it's not like a
it's a cornerstone
but when you're in church
it's not like always the main
focus of the church
matter of fact
most dispensational
or you know Christians
that hold to these
fundamental views
that have become like Zionist
Christianity
known as in pop culture
today
they're very rock solid
on a lot of majors in Christianity
like who is Jesus
your faith in Jesus
and so they see the Christian
church they have a very solid view on that
that and most Christian
even Christians that are not dispensationalist
would not disagree with
most of those teachings
but there is a divergence
in the theology
so
let's and I grew up in that
I grew up when I was young
watching Howl Lindsey my parents would be watching Howl Lindsey
you know the author of the late great
Planet Earth on TV
and I really love that
I love getting into prophecy
and in times of thinking
about even back then they were discussing
Iran
and Russia
and you know the Armageddon
and
and lighting things up looking at the newspaper
and just lining things up
with a
biblical prophecy
as they saw it and
it was very interesting but
as years went on as I
looked at things as I got pretty deep
into it
I started
having questions that just could not be answered
things that puzzle pieces that just
would not fit
and so it was
a process over a long period
of time
where I became
I started not to view
what was called
I became the new
the reason was
pre-millennial is views
right
pre-tribulation rapture
and that was a big part of that
and as I
learned more and just had more questions in my mind
I kind of veered away from that
and we're going to talk
about a little bit why
because even not knowing
the history of it that's really important
I didn't have the pieces of the history
and I think it's important to go back to be
we'll start into diving into this
where does this theology come from
what happened
the farthest back you can
go is to
the 1830
about 1830s
when in Ireland
and in England
there was a small movement
called the Brethren of Plymouth
because
they were out of Dublin, Ireland
and Plymouth
and England
they called themselves Christians
they didn't actually give themselves the term
but to distinguish them
they were given the name Brethren of Plymouth
and this is where
John
John Nelson Darby
comes in
what we call Darbyism
he was
someone that
took
these early views
and
kind of systematized them
and
through what became
there was an open and exclusive
brethren sex that became
and he was part of the exclusive one
which is a little more hardcore
but through his teachings
which became later known
as dispensationalism
which is the view
that there are
several dispensations
or
what we would go
and look in the Bible as covenants
so
you have covenants throughout the Bible
and these are
divided into
different dispensations
so the last dispensation
would be Jesus's
covenant
but in the theology
of this fundamentalism
and dispensationalism
where they take a literal
translation of the Bible
a strict literal
word for word
and then trying to look at things
they believe that the promises
in the Bible
through other dispensations
such as with
Abraham
and
David
it's eras, it's kind of periods of time
well it is
but it's kind of
promised the land
rather than seeing
that these covenants were
replaced by a better covenant
they believe that they're still active
it's such a way that
Christians
we have a covenant
through God, through Jesus
but that
they started believing and preaching
in the 1830's that Jews
had their own distinct covenant
that was still there
and that it was still active
and that
it has to do with their intimus
ketology
and their pre-tribulation
rapture and the thousand years
that they believe is
going to transpire after
everyone's all Christian
the church is raptured out of here
so these views
by
Darby
John Darby
Nelson Darby
later
got picked up
by other movements
this was strictly something that was
overseas and so it was not a popular
thing here in America, it was not even a thing
it came over
he came over here
or his views came over here
to America
and the views that were more focused
on the
the culture
just the
Ireland and England
those views kind of got systematized
into American politics
and American expectations
and remember this is about
the 1860's kind of during the Civil War
before
and just around that time
and so we'd go through this Civil War stuff
these views are kind of coming in here
and they're finding residents
especially after the Civil War
in America
and so they become
a little bit more reformatted
for American
consumption, these views
but find a very strong
following that just starts to
explode
and it has to do with
just north
and south and things that were going on
to reunite the country at the time
but this found a home
in that and
you had the Moody movement
so Dwight L. Moody
another person in the
1800's or 19th century
started
leading this worldwide evangelism
campaign
promoting
and systematizing
what John Nelson Darby
had
encapsulated
over there in Ireland
and so these were revivals
and missionary work
evangelical work
that's why we have such a strong evangelical movement
in America
is because of people like Dwight L. Moody
and so they did
when you think about evangelicals today
this is kind of like the
1800's this is kind of where all that
is birthed out of
it's not as strong
in most parts of the world
evangelism is not a strong thing
and we're talking about even in America
it's still a very small
percentage excuse me I got some allergies here so
let me just
but
the
Schoolfield Bible
which everybody is very familiar with
that came at the turn of the century
so that came I believe
was published in 1901 or
close to
and of course
Cyrus
Schoolfield
was a follower
of John Darby
he was also
you know his work would also
be influenced or
would inform the Moody
movement that kept growing
over the years
but Schoolfield was later you know he kind of came
at the end of the 1800's
and he was a
Civil War veteran
you know kind of a fail
you know he had many failures
you know you look at his life
his lifestyle does not really
look as
as much of a Christian lifestyle
but he got really into the Darby
theology
so he made a commentary on the Bible
because you had at the time
the old King James Bible
which is the main Bible in America
and you know
it's
go ahead
no I'm sorry
I thought I killed my microphone
so anyways
we have the King James Bible
and he creates
a commentary on that
matter of fact my grandfather who was a pastor
you know I still have
the Schoolfield Bible on my shelf
you know it's not really used today
no one really reads it but
seminaries started using it
and so the Moody movement they actually established
a lot of theological seminaries
across the United States
and had a large influence
and so there's a they all
when that Schoolfield Bible came out
it became
an instructional
Bible
to teach theology through
and of course that would include
eschatology in times
and and
this you know this is
you know really became
popularized
throughout the
1900s so starting
in the 1920s
I mean it was exploding
but there is not without
detractors there are a lot of detractors
like Philip Morrow
and many others that
even though they were maybe
even some of them are on the bandwagon
of dispensationalism
or theology it had even
been coined at the time and so by
1927
Philip
actually coined the term
and he
he's the one where we get that from
but
and he railed against that the theology
as he
believed that the interpretations
and basically taking this human
system
and imposing it on scripture
was very missed
was going to be very misleading for Christian
thought
and so this
world view became
did grow and it actually
grew through media
as television, radio
and these evangelical
revivals
flourished through the early parts of the
20th century
think of the Billy Graham
Crusades
early on
leading into the 50s
or 60s and stuff I mean this all
just kind of kept growing
and growing and so using
emerging media radio
and TV
to grow it
because still I mean
that's how they became a very vocal
part of
American culture
and very much
so informing us even on our
outlook of in times
our outlook of
you know as Christians
and even in I think
just a common American culture
we used to be much more positive
you know we used to believe
that great things awaited
America
and with the
dispensational view it's kind of
look things are getting
worse and will only get worse
until
until the rapture
takes place
now yes things are always worse
but there's we didn't always have
the negative outlook of things
I think that was to me kind of
informative thing because I have a very
you know I have a very pessimistic outlook
on life and but I think
American culture has been very much
informed by this and
we have taken many things
even if you're not a Christian
just the fact that our culture
has had a cultural shift
in our country
and that's
what we see today
it doesn't take a dispensational
Christian
to have these views
because there's plenty of Americans
that have internalized
them to be
their outlook on life they may not
believe in the times or the rapture
but just how
they approach the world
who's the enemy
right you know Russia
Iran
you know
who's our friend
they don't even question why
they think that way but this is all
informed by fundamentalism
but we must say that fundamentalism
not all fundamentalists
are Zionist
Christians or are dispensationalist
so
but in certain segments
like Baptist would have
a large segment of dispensationalist
whereas
you know
if you take all Protestants
and Christians in America
and throughout the world
this is a very small minority
in America we're talking
you know
15 to 20 maybe 25% of the population
it's hard
to even track how many
people hold to these views
in America but it's a very vocal group
but
and it may be in certain segments
like Baptist
maybe approaching 60
or greater percentage but
for most this is
not a non-issue but
you're going to know people in your life
around you that are Christians
and most of them
even those that aren't dispensationalist
because it's such a cultural thing
may still have
some outward looking
views of the world
you know
that
really come from this root cause
and
there's an article
that I read
let's see here
it was pretty interesting but
this is by
Paul Tanner
and this is more of a scholarly work
you know 1992
this is taken from his work
called Daniel's King of the North
do we owe Russia
an apology
and basically he goes in
to the minutia
of the eschatology
excuse me
the minutia
of the eschatology
of dispensational beliefs
and
why
why they're
reading things into certain texts
that just are not there
and it has to do with
really Gog and Magog
and if you're a Hal Lindsey
if you've ever watched Hal Lindsey or any of these others
where they really hark on that
it's always about Russia
you know Gog and Magog
and the end times Armageddon
and this is
you know this really became popular
with the onset of communism
in Russia in 1917
when the
the communists took over
and
so before then it wasn't
it did actually
I think
it even mentioned that it goes back to
some thoughts in the
Napoleonic wars against Russia
too
where some of these views were kind of
in place or being thrown
around but it really became a big thing
with the
dispensational movement
and with communism
well we're all anti-communists
in America
we're all against the authoritarian
state and so
everybody expected okay well this must be
a sign that Russia is evil
they're going
this kind of like
informs like we're taking a newspaper
we're taking our prophecy
and we're taking our newspaper and we're going like
oh yeah that matches up
Russia is a bad country
our prophecy says that
Israel will be attacked by it from the north
and so when you
put those two and two together
you know now Russia is forever
you know it must be
the
the Gog and the Begog right it must be
that evil nation that's going
to come down and fight Israel
and so then when you start doing this
on a national level and this is where
politics get involved you start
treating them always and forever
as a bad guy and yes
you know communism was bad
you know communism
fell you know
but we still had our views
of Russia and we would
never treat them
as any other
as any other nation as Europe
you know we weren't going to
unless we dominated them we still wanted to
have this negative view and there's
many other reasons
and factors in there of course
you know this is not one of them but I think this is
you know where Christians
get on board with
government policies and government
you know what the government
wants to do you know
what the military wants to do
you know they use this
as a you know well
you know remember they're a bad country
we're reminded by people like Hal Lindsay
over the years that they're
always going to be forever evil
and part of the problem and this
has led us to kind of where we're at
you know why everybody
just says hey Iran's a bad
country Russia's a bad country
they're just bad they're just evil
but we're living
a self fulfilling
prophecy I think
with this because we
have already made the determination
and
we're arranging
our relationships with the world
in such a way where things play out
exactly how we predict them
Andrew I want to chime in
about the eschatology now
you're talking about end time eschatology
from I was part of the Jesus
seminars if you remember but they are it's another
conversation they refer
to as apocalyptic eschatology
it's probably very we're talking the same thing
but it's interesting
you know apocalyptic eschatologists
have been around since before Jesus
I mean the Dead Sea Scrolls
we're talking about that the end times
and whenever government is oppressive
this is when we tend to see
the apocalyptic version come out
which doesn't mean the completely
the end of the world but it's a supernatural
major turn of the key
and for the Jews they have been
looking at their version of the
apocalyptic eschatology I have to keep saying over
as the
as the second as the Messiah
the new Messiah right and they've been waiting
for the new Messiah and there's a whole history of that
and Jesus to them was just
you know a try out and it wasn't him
and you know they're still waiting around
so their version I
think and this is where I want to clarify
the end time
eschatology of where the Jews are
seeing it or at least the Israeli government
hardliners the Zionists
versus where the
fundamentalist Zionist Christians
see it here because it's almost like
they're on the same page but they're
almost to two different goals right
because if the Jews are seeing it
as the end time is the Messiah
and my understanding is that
the third temple has to be built
which you know they're talking about it
and the third temple can't be removed very easily
right now without them dominating
the world there or at least that region
so they don't get blowback
but then for Christians
the end time
is not
the next Messiah or
the Jewish Messiah it's the
second coming of Jesus where then you have
the revelations which is the true
apocalyptic eschatologist right
so is that
my kind of in the same page there
are they
they're similar but they're actually
having two different conversations and
goals but we're finding a locking
of arms for political reasons
and you know there's other
stuff involved with the politics
but is that what you find
that they were unified but a bit different
yeah so yeah let's
begin to that a little bit let's unpack that
so
in
dispensational theology which is
you know again very new to Christianity
and you know if we go back
to what was what what did Christian
what does the Christian church
throughout history what
has been the majority view
and it was always that
you know the church
you know
was brought into the fold right
Christian Gentiles were brought into
the fold and that
you know through through the church
which you know remember the
early Christians were
Jews right they were Jews that converted
that that believed in Christ
they believed in him as a Messiah
those that didn't just
all they did is deny him right
and you know but then
the disciples well
they brought you know
first to the Jews that the Gentiles
and brought Christian brought the Christians
into the fold or all Gentiles
of the fold not everyone I mean there's
pagans out there in the world but it was a
is a movement right across the world
throughout time
and and there was always that
the belief in the apocalyptic
view or
the in times view I would
better say is that
as
you know we are kind of in the trip we were
we're in the tribulation period
throughout history
and
Christ was going to reconquer
the world through his church
you know bringing
bringing all nations
into the fold nations that
rejected Christ going back to Babylon
that they were going to be brought back
in the fold back and back in the church
to be part of God
and that
you know
we have no idea down the future but
we know at one day
that Christ will return
and that will be the
second coming and that
will be judgment and
that that was the that was the view
that was the you know the original
old pre-millennial view
of things and then the new pre-millennial
view you know you get all these
dispositions you get into a thousand year rapture
you get into what's called
pre-tribulation
but those
those things we don't have to go into
I want to kind of stay on track with
your question so
in the 1800s this come the new
dispensational movement comes out
they're looking at things you know
okay is the Jews have their
own covenant
we need to see a temple on
earth therefore
that informs us that
the Jews must return to their nation
for Christ to come back
and that they must have
a temple and all these
things have to go in place
before the return
of Jesus which would be the hidden return
of Jesus because he you know he doesn't actually
come down touch on earth
in their views that he's going rapturous
in the sky the church is going to be
called up sin
and all that stuff is still going to be down here
on earth there's going to be at that
point the a thousand year
rule with Jesus ruling
from the new temple in
Jerusalem for a thousand years
culminating in the
end with the
battle of Armageddon
and the overthrow of Satan
and that the Jews in this period
will come to
accept Christ you know in that period
they will come to recognize him so it's like a second
salvation you know for the Jews
in their theology
what meanwhile
in Judaism
they were they rejected
Christ the Jew
this
Christ who died for their sins
on the cross they rejected
him or those that reject him because
not remember not all Jews rejected him
many came became Christian too
and that's why in
70 AD when
Israel and the temple were torn
down and the Jews
in Jerusalem were slaughtered by the
Romans that's why many
Jews still surviving because they
heated the prophetic warning
and left before the
Romans came in and destroyed the
temple without the temple
Judaism changed
what the people
that were practicing
Judaism and the
the
Sadducees
the Pharisees
they were slaughtered they were gone
and
that now they have no they don't have a priest
class to make sacrifices
and they don't have a temple to make sacrifices
their whole religion changed after that
you know and the progress
of change time but they
but they still believe
the coming of their Messiah
right
and in their view and this is
something that was unseen
and this is kind of goes back to even
the Old Testament they were looking for
a warrior and that's why many people
didn't recognize Jesus as the Messiah
is because they were looking
for someone that was going to come
and conquer all the other nations
all their enemies and rule
the world and
and rule from
the holy nation of Israel
and they believe because
the promises because of their
what what developed
in their mind that they were
the chosen people you know
through Abraham the chosen seed
the chosen nation
which is
you know
not completely
incorrect but I think it grew
into a you know
a very exclusive
meaning it was never meant to be exclusive
God chose a portion of
people to be his people after
the fall Babylon but
it was not just to an exclusion
of a bloodline and that but that's
where Jews believe that they are the
bloodline of the chosen people they have
this God kind of spark
into them that differentiates
differentiates
differentiates them from the rest of the world
and I'm not harking on all Jews
I mean there's there are Jews that
you know I'm friends with I don't you know that I don't say this
I hate or anything like that this is just an observation
and literal history
of you know
their beliefs and some
people might disagree to a certain point but
I mean it's in their own writings
this is not something that's
new I'm not like you know I'm not
giving you any original
thought here this is just stuff
right well let me ask this is the
Christian and Jewish
Zionist views
are they converging now
where they both feel that
their end time like do they truly
believe that the end
time is here I mean when you see
the world and the great reset and everything
and I mean it's easy for a lot of people to
think the end times are exactly
so my my thing is this is almost
like the Christians version
and maybe the Jews before we're out of sync
and the Jews when they had their timetables
different Christians but now it's like
they're coming together
and you know what you know how dangerous it is
when someone honestly believes
that the end time is here you know
they're willing to do anything because
that doesn't matter I mean the IRS isn't going to
give them an audit if the end times are here
tomorrow you know I'm saying so
desperate people do desperate things I'm just trying
to understand the mindset of the people
in government right now is that where
their mind is yeah you know
going back to
Theodore Herzl
you know he was he was the first
person that organized
Zionist Jewish Zionist
thoughts right that became
what we call today Jewish Zionism
or Zionism in general
as a became a political movement he
was he himself was not a religious
person
but
he you know he what
they started teaching
and bringing it to the
thought pattern of Jews was that
let's we don't need to wait
for
the Messiah to come we're going to make
things happen right and so
they you know through the
because of the things that were happening
throughout Europe
in Russia
in different places the persecution
and you know back and forth
you know
things that were going on in Europe they wanted
a homeland and so this
thus became the
big main thing now Jews at
the time most Jews did not
accept
that they thought that was a dangerous attitude to try to
seek their own homeland but
in time it became very popular
right and then
this is where
the political Zionism and also
the Jew the Jew
modern Jewish or Zionist Jewish
thought
started to real to
align with
dispassational Christians
which had their own theology
of in times and so these
two groups started to
overlap
have overlapping agendas
the Jews for
different reasons but
and the Christians for in time theology
and eschatology
and so that became
you know a reason why they
kind of converge and the Jews
and whether they were
religious or whether they were
secular
because there was Zionist
thoughts and they had goals
to achieve they
used you know
and promoted Christian
Zionism or dispassational thoughts
or appealed
to them for support
and this is where you get like the Balfour
declaration
that was I believe
actually sent to Lord Rothschild
is you know a guarantee
and these are where
after the World War I
you know you have the
guarantees to
during that period
that were made
to the Zionist Jews
and
you know about
returning a homeland to them
and
returning them to their homeland
the homeland that they
desired you know which
that is a rabbit trail
you know was it really
your homeland you know after
2000 years of not being there
or even in my question
how many Jews do we really know
are you know really from
that region and then
that just become
converts to Judaism
along the way in Europe
without that
yes there is an overlap here
and this is where
they draw the strength
if it was just them on their own
they wouldn't have this force
and the support
in the world for what they're doing today
or throughout history
or even to form their own government
is America that came to the rescue
military
political power
many times
to help them
fend off
they fought
when they formed the nation
of course they entered them into
conflict with their neighbors
and
but it was America that
really armed them
and gave them
the capabilities and the support
over the years to maintain
what they are now
which is a
a Jewish theocracy
not really a democracy
maybe on a good day but
and they have
really formed
their views have really formed
to more of an apocalyptic
view of things where
they believe now
to get their beside back that they have to
have a real serious
war
that a conflict
where the very
survival
of their nation
is going to usher in
their Messiah
and that's something
that some of these
you know
a lot of these Jews
I would say is probably the majority now
that believe us
that are religious
that have a similar
thoughts on this
there are and the secular ones
that aren't really religious
they just have political ends
they want to dominate the Middle East
and they're just using it
to call the religious
aspect to kind of give their self
validation in the eyes
of the Christian world
of America really because America
is just mainly where this
dispensational belief is
that's why you have such strong support
in America but if you go outside America
not a lot of support
for Israel
you know by the general
publics
it's interesting you were talking about
with the Israeli
sex
I was mentioning this before you got on the phone
with Ernie
I had learned about the three main demographics
there right and these are the
terms apparently you might be familiar
one is called one group
of Jews who live in it
these are the Jews that live in Israel
these don't include Muslims or non-Jews
who live in Israel but the one group
which makes up 50%
of the electorate are called the Holoni
Holoni maybe you guys already know this
but the Holoni and they are the secular
they're like the secular Jews
so they're making up like 50-51%
almost like the equivalent
of modern Democrats
they're the progressives
they're not really religious
they see a lot of problems in their past
they don't like Netanyahu
they're the ones that want to throw them out
and they're the ones that were losing power to
a nationalist
a surge
which is Benjamin Netanyahu
and those are the religious Zionists
and they're making up about a third
which sounds very similar to the Christian
Zionists the Mike Huckabees
so it's almost like there's a mirror image in each
now what's unique though
is there's a third group
in Israel
which again I was talking to Ernie
how so many countries are having
three now political parties
three movements not just two
but the third is known as the Haridim
or Haridim
and they of course
they make up another third
roughly
third or quarter
and they are the ultra orthodox
the people you see wearing black
and they have the
braided hair and such
and there I guess you could
the equivalent again I'm trying to
sound too normy are like the Amish here
and the reason is because
they don't want to be in the military
so they usually are kept out of the military
which is normally mandatory over there
but there's
fights about whether they should be drafted
now and they're having a big
fight just like the Amish are getting
attacked you know to be paying
taxes and be regulated for their
cattle and all of that
but also they don't because they're not in the
military they also get
they don't get a lot of the services they just
basically just want to be left alone in a sense
but they're a voting
block that adds to it
so you have these three
and they seem always at odds
and they get more at odds just like our
country but the one thing they have in common
at the end of the day is that they're all
Jewish and if they do get attacked
all of a sudden they
they kind of recoil back
and block elbows which I don't blame them
and that's like one person
mentioned it's like the beating heart
of Israel that there are always
these three groups are always about
war is health in the state
absolutely thank you Ernie
so with that said I want to ask the question
about this idea
that Israel
is Genesis 12
right this is where Tucker
and Cruz
and Huckabee they keep going around
and are exposing us to a lot of
more secular people like myself
is the idea that
the land of Israel or God
says that those who
defend or support Israel
and definitely you can correct me what it actually
says but that if you support
Israel then you will be blessed this sort of thing
and so the question that of course Tucker
was trying to bring up and others
is what do we mean like Ernie says to find
the terms what do we mean
by Israel right is that Israel
in the Bible is that Israel
by blood is Israel by
by just you know culture
is that Israel by land
you know what are we talking about here
and so you know
I'd like you to explain what the
Jews view of that is
of what Israel is that just
is it what it says in Genesis 12
I think it goes from the Euphrates
to the Nile or something it actually
like lands out it states what it should be
and that I think is what
their modus operandi seems to be
but on the other hand the
Christian Zionists were at least
the Christian view is that
and again I'm not the authority
of nothing else I'm just asking your thoughts on this
is that Israel
is not a place anymore
the new Israel is
Jesus that's what Jesus is he's the new
Israel so finding Christ
is the equivalent of
Israel you see so if you
follow Christ then you will find God
whereas with the Jews that's the
it's Israel itself you know
through the land or the blood
so if that's true and if there's
if they are different how we look at Israel
I guess my question is unless I get
this wrong how are
Christian Zionists
supporting this whole war
for Israel
when at the end of the day
you know Genesis 12 is not saying that
you have to praise Israel
as a government or a piece of
dirt over in that place
it's the new it's you know Christ is the
new Israel or is that what makes
a Zionist Christian different
is that Zionist Christians
don't believe that Jesus is the
new Israel instead they're taking it
literal like you were saying earlier
I think and literally
it says Israel so they're just
looking at the flag you know
there's the flag is that
is that a fair
explanation of what's happening
yeah so
absolutely so well
let me
let me get into that so
where should I start
I would say this that
let's start with
the Christian part we'll get to the Jewish
part but the
Old Testament Biblical
Biblical worldview
you know and we got we also got
know and this is where I've
been kind of growing in my
studies and just understanding
is that today we look at the Bible
with modernized modern views
and shaped by
you know relatively modern history
but if you
get into the mind of a
second temple period Jew
you know
even predated Christ
they would have a very different
outlook on
a lot of the scripture that we have
today and that goes for even like
modern Jews today right
you know we all
we're kind of looking through things with our
you know
different color you know glass
darkly you know spectacles
you know we're seeing things from our own
perspective of trying to read things into
or trying to understand things
but we don't have the benefit of
living at that time and understanding
having an understanding of
of what was going on
what the world was just
that you lived in was like right
so
in the
when you talked about the promise
a land right
Genesis 12 and we're talking about
the Abraham
had a
I'm sorry I can't even promise to
Abraham right when he you know
when he was promised that through his seed
right so today
you know we enter a lot of modern
Christians were you know are taught
and I was taught at a young age that
that meant the
offspring of
of Abraham which became the
12 tribes of Israel
and later known as Israelites
and later known as Jews
and now
we still carry that on well Jews today
must have descended from Abraham
and remember there are 12
12 tribes
in Israel originally
but
this promise
was not about
blood you know it was a promise
that the Savior that the Messiah
is going to be
the promised seed right that
that really is what I was pointing to
and that was a historical view
of the church is that
the promise to Abraham on that
was not about all his children
all his bloodline is about the Messiah
that was yet to come
would be coming from
descending from his bloodline
and that promise
kept being made over and over
you know remember David
King David in the Bible right later
way later on you know
same thing you know he was
promised you know
that Messiah would come from him
not that his children would be
the blessing to the world
that the Messiah would be
but this is where things got
screwed up in the 1800s
with dispensational beliefs
and teachings coming from
the brethren of Plymouth
John Nelson Darby
Cyrus Skoll Field
and the Skoll Field Bible
the popularized by the Moody
movement and so on
so forth through
evangelicals like Pastor Hage
and Hal Lindsey
and this stuff is just
you know taking on
a new meaning
pop Christianity
pop dispensationalism
and I say pop because
you know it's in our media
now they're making movies and writing
all sorts of books
on the end times and stories
and you know
what's that movie left behind
series and stuff it's just
in our pop culture now
but this
this view
is this new view
that not again
only a small minority of 15 to 25%
Christians I would say
that you know for the best estimates
out there
really adhere to this point of view
but it's a very
loud and very
so that was the question you and I had
on the phone how did if it's
15-20% and I'm sure
it comes down to money
and we will try to say this
not using the word a pack too many times
or whatever but how
did that 15-20%
become a seemingly
seemingly and I think this is a surprise
a lot of secularists sitting back
and hearing Mike Huckabee and everyone's talking about
you know Genesis 12 and whatever
it's like wait a minute this is our foreign policy
this isn't about someone's private
religious book so
when how long is
I hate to call it infiltration
that sounds a little dubious but you could argue
but how did that 15-20%
if 80% Christians
plus Catholics and Protestants
how did they get outflanked
to have this one religious view
get so emboldened into
our politics
I think it's because that
it's a highly motivated group
the evangelical movement
there are many good things that come out of it too
so it's not a
straight criticism of this movement
but this is one of those things
that in a
good movement where you're trying to go out
and evangelize people
tell people the good news right this is the
commission of Christians is to give people
the good news
which was highly
motivated and shaped
by the system
of like
Dwight Moody
who
really set the gold standard
in the 1800s
and into the
1900s
this movement of evangelical Christians
and it wasn't like they're all
we're going to change everybody's perspective
it's just it became
it was a very
efficient system to spread
and using again
the media tools
that were coming online
in the 1900s in the
20th century
and these big tents
big town traveling
traveling around our country
bringing people in the radio
the radio, yeah
it dominated the
space
it was louder than
most traditional churches
were
now again
and when you get
to that you have
people that are motivated
to
believe that they must
make things happen
and it wasn't always a view
but it was a view that first
that things were going to unravel
that is God's promises that this
dispensational belief that these are things
going to happen regardless of our human
hands in it
but I think as time progressed
people became
more
nationalistic with their Christian views
bringing
this type of view into
politics
we must make things happen
we must get into the politics
the political world
we feel so strongly
we're going to go in there
and
like
Ted Cruz
and people in modern
current times that have these
strong views that
the reason why they got into
politics was because
of their eschatology
because of their dispensational beliefs
and they may not even call it
dispensational themselves
to them
they're raised up in a thing
growing up in this
I wasn't told I was a dispensationalist
I wasn't told that I was like
oh Skollfield is where everything comes
from
you're just taught that this is the view
this is the correct view of the Bible
other Christian groups have it
wrong when they're not teaching this
the Catholics don't know what they're talking about over here
these Protestants don't know what they're
talking about over here
this is we have
the truth we have the ideas
we have them corrected
our ideas go all
they'll say their ideas go all the way back to
the beginning that it just was
kind of lost for a while but rediscovered
with the Bible and systematic
reading of the Bible
that that that
that being said let's
answer the second part of your
your question on
just the mentality right
so what is it
let's change it a little bit
because if you want to know
why do
why do Jews seem to go crazy
when they get attacked or whenever
you know why do they all of a sudden
kind of unite and people just go crazy
all over on both sides about this stuff
and like oh well we got you know
here comes like we're leading to Armageddon
well
what is the view when you're talking to someone
and you can agree with them on like
you know maybe they're they don't believe in
you know in certain wars you know
Ukraine okay they're not on board with that
you know that that's just that
that might be a problem to them other things
or could be big problems
to them and we can have a lot
of libertarian
peaceful views
right peaceful views
on you know
how how we should treat
some of the nicest people my
own family members you know friends of mine
who are dispensations
are the nicest people ever they are
well behaved they you know
drink very little they're not vulgar
you know they they have a love
on them in them for people
and humanity they're very
entwined to that but
as soon as you start talking about
Israel and the enemies
that Israel modern Israel today
you know the agent
face they're just like oh no
they need to destroy them those are evil
remember during the
after October 7th with
the thing going on in
Palestine in Gaza
after the attack
they came out and said they're the
what is it the amorite
I believe
you know that's what the Israeli
government started to come out
there we go
and they started saying that the Palestinians
are Amalek well what did God
do to
to Amalek
to those people
when they came in to
possess the land
you know God in the Bible
you know had the
wage of war
and for some of those people in the lands
it was a systematic destruction
down to the
to the last child even to the last
livestock right so
why are they hearkening that
type of messaging today
about people
that are trapped in this little place called
Gaza today
and this and why
are Christians
reciting this
as a reason
you know for the for
Israel to continue to do what they're doing
to the point where when you ask
someone and say like look
Israel just blew up
you know after October 7th
there was a church I cannot
remember what the name of it is but it was an ancient
church built I think
three or six hundred maybe in
the seventh sixth or seventh century
and
this is a historical site
a historical church that has been in operation
since the fifth or sixth century
and
teaching Christianity
even with the crusades
and all the you know Islamic
takeover and stuff it's been a church
that's been operating teaching Christianity
right and
when the bombing started
they opened their doors to bring women
children and old people didn't matter
Muslim Christians
whatever took shelter
in the church because the
you know the rules of war
you know that the ancient rules of wars
that you can always find
safety and
you know within the
confines of a sacred space
like a church right you know
your enemy is not going to destroy it now that does not
always work out throughout history and not
respected but you know that's kind of
like you know even today's like
this is a religious space
you know it should be the least likely to
be destroyed if you're following
and Pete and and Israel
blew that up and killed
many of the people that were in there
and their defense was
well there may there may have been
a Hamas underneath the
church and when I bring this up
to my Christian friends and family
about this
and say look you know how can
we allow Christians
over here in Gaza
being killed by Israel
and we just sit there and we don't
we don't
criticize Israel about it we don't
we don't you know this is an abhorrent thing
for any Muslim
Jew or anybody
that's innocent to be killed
why aren't we speaking up about this
and these are Christians by the way because you can
you know some will make the argument well they're
I'm not going to speak up about because they're Muslim
well this is a clear instance that this was
a Christian church with Christians inside too
and they were blown up where are you going
to say now and they'll sit back and say
well
they were supporting Hamas
by proximity
like if you had
someone break into your house
holding you hostage in your family
and the police come along and say
you know what
rather than trying to rescue the hostages
we're going to kill everyone in there because
we think that there's still the bad guys
in there somewhere maybe even under
your house or something but because you just
happen to be in the house the proximity
maybe you're a hostage maybe they're just
under your house whatever
there you know that's justified
for killing and it mazes
me that this is
I wanted to inject
a little bit of history and continuity
with all this
stuff that Andrew's
done because Andrew and I
you know worked on
this
issue before years ago
with the
Zionist Christian Zionist movie
remember that
this is
let me go ahead and kind of preface
this a little bit those that are on video
I just you know
send you there and you can
see you know where I'm going
with this
the born again
evangelical Christian political
support for Israel
is a powerful movement
that was primarily driven by theology
specifically
pre-millennial dispensationalism
that Andrew has been detailing
which views
the modern state of Israel
as a fulfillment
of biblical prophecy
prophecy and
a precursor
to the second coming of Jesus Christ
that was the point that I
was making about the late great
planet earth book
that supported that
so it got all the media attention
it got support from politicians
the evangelical
born again Christian movement
Israel whatever oh hell yeah
that yeah we vote that you know
we're going to push that
well when he started talking about
dispensationalism there were some key
figures in there and you keep
mentioning Schofield
Schofield
popularized the system
through the Schofield reference
Bible
this Bible was given to the
seminaries that trained Christian
pastors
the footnotes in it are as much
as the Bible I mean this thing
it's like in this phrase
this passage means this
this this this this this this this
oh the next one
means this this this this this this
I mean it was it was just
amazing how much
of a
it was like the teachers
version of the
the manual you know I'm going to tell you
what it means and how it does now that was
the power of Martin Luther
King the Lutherans
what happened was
Martin
Luther he goes
well we just print
have a printing press now print the Bible you can read it
you're damn self you don't need a priest
to define it for you
well you know so that kind
of loosened a lot of the grip
in the
1800s when they started
pushing this
dispensationalism of the
timeline of what it you
could feel that it had a lot
of fear
humans operate and based
and get motivated by fear
and in every era
that this happens
it's a right around the corner
it's in your lifetime
your kids are going to have to deal with this
we got to do it now now now now now
and often times there'll be a date
there'll be some you know
astrological whatever the heck
or this thing is going to happen
and then they always pass
now that doesn't mean there isn't
going to be a date but even the Bible
says you do not know
nor will you ever know you won't know
so get over it
now one of the things
is the biblical
borders of Israel
they attest it to
Numbers 34 Genesis
15 whatever and then they
have the promised land that
they define it it's from here to here to here
to here now there are some
smaller versions some bigger versions
well guess which one they latch onto
it's a greater big
Israel okay goes all
the way up the Syria
you know it goes to Euphrates
to the Nile to the Mediterranean
it's Jordan Syria Lebanon
so what is Israel doing now
bombing a crap out of southern Lebanon
and they're moving in here it comes
Gaza got it
Golan Heights got it
this is not done
this is being
done now and you're not seeing
any footage of this
the death diamond destruction
of what's going on
they're just doing it
now if you want to get kind of a historical
aspect of this
you go back to
let's see what was it
it was The Source
by James Mitchner
now Mitchner wrote the book Hawaii
he wrote a lot of things
about different regions in the world
a lot of novels
on historical references
of what that culture was like
and their motivations and so on
and one of the books that he wrote was called
The Source
now how it played out
is they had this one mound
archaeologists were going
excavating this site called Makor
now Makor
what they had done is they kind of
went into this mound at the bottom
and then kind of did a trench
and kind of worked their way up
so it started back when caveman
was at the spring that was there
and started cultivating
crops and you know whatever
and it goes all the way throughout history
up and up and up and up the history
of the Middle East
here's the Israelites
here's the Promised Land of Canaan
then it gets into the Christian era
it goes through the crusades
and acquisitions and I mean it goes
on and on and on and on
it was a fascinating book
because it provided
a novelized version
of the history of it
and then of course you would at the same time
I'm reading the Bible so you're kind of checking back and forth
but he definitely
had his own
take on this but it gives you an idea
of the ideology
that was at play
but then what book do you use
well here we have
you know Z from China
reading the Art of War
and Trump the Art of the Deal
well which one did this play into
what narrative does this support
whatever the hell they want it to
that's what they do
so then you get into
you know Israel gets
its maximum borders that it wants
then you have
I remember they really
pushed this certainly in
Christian high school or kids went to
the fear of the Lord is the beginning
of wisdom Proverbs 9
10
true wisdom starts with a deep
reverent respect for God
acknowledging his authority
and holiness
it's not supposed to be
a terror kind of warning thing
but a loving awe
that compels believers to honor God
obey his commands
shun evil forming the foundation
for sound judgment
well what happens
is during
this Christian
Zionism they really emphasize
this part fear the Lord
you're going to die if you don't do it right
I have heard this
this just word doctrine
thing
we're going to get them and
here comes the born again
Christian political movement
which I remember in the 70s
it was kind of important
to get involved in earthly politics
really seriously
you think voting is going to
change you know so then it became
this born again Christian
movement
that was primarily driven by
theology specifically pre
millennial dispensations that we talked
about but it was
still based on this
second coming
here comes Christ so this is
how the moral majority
in this Christian Zionism
the theology really started
to get into
politics
and Israel
now how that was
done this is what
I wanted to build up to get to
this
when we had our workshop
in Phoenix during the right after
the revolution we had like our
second third workshop and
we had a studio in there we had all
kinds of equipment it was a fact
well during that time
one of the videographers that's friends
of you know Andrew and
I and Frank
Shelton is 44 oh
not and he just made all kinds
of videos went viral he
had it you know going on
there was a guy
his name was Charles
Carlson now
he was during
the
right after the start of
the war the rack war in
03 going to ground invasion
he was very much
against Christians
being supportive of war
in the Middle East while they're still
claiming to be pro-life
unless you're Muslim or something
okay so he was out there
protesting I remember
this because that's when I started
my radio show in February
of 03 about a month month and a
half before the ground invasion
in Iraq so I had him
on so I'm going yeah
you know come on let's talk
about it so we did shows
and so on well years later
he came to me and he says hey
do you know anybody who can take
my research on this Christian
Zionism stuff and do a video
I see you're doing okay I can talk to some people
so I talked to you know
like Andrew and Shelton
and everything you know what anybody
have an interest in she'll go hell
yeah I can do this so he worked
with Carlson they created the movie
Christian
Zionism and it took off
well we made
hundreds
thousands of DVDs of this
put them in cases and
you know a bunch of the activists
would go to the large
Christian churches
and pass them out off the property
now they go and ask permission
you know of the leadership they all hell no
okay so they go
out on the street sidewalk
people were leaving walking to their cars
off the grounds and so on
passing this stuff out
and it got
a lot of attention
and push back
so this right here
is the movie
on rumble you go
Christian Zionism the tragedy
and the turning
what it was about
was about the Scofield Bible
Scofield Bible
made
Christian Zionism
a thing
and trained new pastors
to be
willing and able to preach
this linkage
and that the United States of America
be behind the creation
of the state of Israel
support it and its interest
and here comes
Christ if only
you could reconstitute
the state of Israel
that is a precursor
to Christ coming
and along a bunch of other stuff
and that's why I bring up
the late great pen at earth because it details
a lot of these steps and things that need to pass
this is
deplatform
band shadow band
whatever and I finally
found it again on rumble
so we put it up
and now this was
at a time that Andrew
was a regular at our workshop
when this was going on
what they did
is the Scofield Bible
infiltrated
and went into all of
the seminaries as much as they could
to train generation
next and next
and next for last
100 whatever years
into marrying
Christian faith
and the church
with the interest of Zionist
that's how it happened
that's how
it happened
it was
art of war, art of the deal
art of Christian Zionism
it's just a political thing
so there are interest
involved in that
and I'm
wanting to make it clear
and people to understand
there was a mechanism
that it was
the goal for whatever
interests be it money
bank
control, create a state
get on the dole
from the US and gazillions of dollars
goes to them to pick fights with the
Arabs or whatever the hell
this is how
it was done
Christian Zionism
was a mechanism for
marrying the United States
the Christian church
with Israel and its interest
and here we go
how far off am I
Andrew
I'd say that
you're right on the money
with that
as far as
the
thoughts behind it
this misinterpretation
basically this hard line
looking at the Bible, systemizing it
saying I'm going to take it very literally
if it says
God promised Abraham this
land
that to his seeds
you must bless his seed
and you think that that's a literal
bloodline like all his children
forever and ever
you must never
criticize, you must never
have any thoughts about
you must only support them
and support this and that's our main thing
this is what has led
into our thinking in society
and our thinking
for many Christians
to the point where
modern-day Israel
cannot do any wrong
and if you criticize anything that Israel
is doing you always have to come up in your head
a way to justify it
and this is something that
I'm just going to take a little detour here
but if you've ever heard
of Albert Pike
there's a letter
that was supposedly written by him
called the
Predictions of the Three World Wars
and Albert Pike was a
Grandmaster of Freemason
in the Civil War
supposedly he wrote a letter
that predicted the
World War I, World War II, and World War III
now there's both sides
of the fence, some people don't think
that it's
they think it's a forgery and other people
believe it's legit
and there's a bit of fight
it's actually kind of hard to find on the internet
you can't find it but it's been
scrubbed, not as easy to find
the actual written article
everybody is like
just arguing over it
but one thing I found really
in the end of his letter
one of the things that he talks about
is agitating the world
and releasing
the nihilist upon the world
so that
Christians
everywhere
would, I'm paraphrasing
so forgive me if I don't get
quite as accurate
but I believe he said
that the nihilist would be
least upon the world so that
the world will revolt against it
the Christians
world and civilized world in general
will revolt against it
disenfranchised
and looking for a solution
that they will
that when they
present the solution
to the world, to Christians
in the world, that they will
abandon their own morality
and Christian
beliefs
and embrace the true light
of Lucifer
I swear this has been there
for a long time
you can argue with me about
whether you think this is a legit paper or not
I think it's very insightful
because this is where we're at today
the nihilists are being
released on the world
with terrorism
with conflicts
with countries that have been deemed
the enemy of America
where we're constantly poking
and prodding into a position
where they react to us
therefore we can go
say hey look
look what they're doing
these countries
they attacked Israel, they attacked here
they attacked us
but we don't have perspective of history
we don't go back to the beginning
of the conflicts of history
look back
do some research, I implore you
look at
the history of Israel when it was set up
see where the conflict originated
it's not just like
everything was peaceful
minding their own business
all of a sudden
these evil neighbors
started attacking them
there's guilt on both sides
but what I'm saying is
that this is
creating
a persona
that
an idea
that resonates
in today's Christians
these Zionist Christians
which is the fact that
we cannot be critical
of this, this is God's will
and when it becomes
kind of a supernatural
thing that now
they're blind
it's very hard to take off the blinders
because anytime you start talking logic to them
you can start talking about all these things
they just shut down, nope
not going to go there
full support for this, full steam ahead
you know
and to them
we've replaced our morality
it's an excuse
they use it as an excuse
this is what I'm feeling
all this time
is that
whatever it is
that they're advocating
serves
something other than my individual rights
or even America's interest
as a collective
as a government
as a protectorate to the people and their rights
as anything
we have given up
our control over our own lives
or certainly our government
because of this narrative
the most powerful thing
is a story
it's a common belief in something
and this has been done
for well over a hundred years
I mean
150, 160, couple hundred
a couple thousand years
it has been to
gather
people in support of a certain
story or narrative
and threaten you with hell if you don't do it
so
this has been a
very obvious
manipulation
and it's not
even really based
in any hard truth
what got me interested
I was probably
19, 20 years old when I read
The Source by James Mitchner
because I liked all these books
and I used to read a lot
well I read that
it goes through the history all the way up until
I think Yom Kippur
it was like this
70 or something around there
to where you had the
mindset of the religion
the
temple
where they call it synagogues
where they would train rabbis
the history that was going on then
the crusades
the governments
it was a very
interesting deep dive
and I got the impression
Mitchner
he didn't
have any love of
any religion
but it was very educational
to get the history
applied in a novel
to many characters
throughout hundreds of thousands of years
this was
eye-opening to me
and
I read the late great planet earth
and I'm going okay this goes in with a lot of this stuff
but it was
cherry-picked
it was used
in order to provide
a continuing narrative
for modern times
therefore this must happen
then this then this
and it all came down to
dismantling the dome of the rock
the Muslim
temple that they have there
you have the rebuilding
of the temple in Jerusalem
you know they had
first one then Solomon
and then you know
whatever they're doing now
they have you always hear about this
red heifer perfect sacrifice
of consecrating you know whatever
so you always get that in the background
everybody's like what the hell are they talking about
red heifer what do you care
because it is necessary
to identify
this perfect calf or whatever
we always got the perfect one
oh we found another one
we're looking for one
because of this need
to
sanctify or whatever the new temple
so that a lot of these
Christ can come back
then they talk about
Armageddon now you mentioned
something about
the Jerusalem it has
the new Jerusalem is very specific
they have I think it's
144,000 people
it's you know it has its dimensions
how big it's like a cube
it's like a board cube sitting
on Jerusalem or something
and literally
and
the type of people that that will be
and
what order things have to happen
well it's always been that order
it's always right around the corner
it's always coming
and this is the war to be the war
the war you got this biblical
war and I'm going
okay
when they did the just
war doctrine
thing with all the Christian churches
that they could muster up to do this
and brain wash
literally
the patriarchy of the men
control of their households
and Christian you know
whatever
I'm going this is a political campaign
this is a mind screw
this is a Psyop
a Psyop
that was orchestrated
over many years decades
if not centuries
to bring about what they then those want
and sure as shit doesn't
benefit me as an individual
human being here in America
how far off am I Andrew
well let me
let me give you a little twist here
on this
the good news is
and there is a good news here
is that
this dispensational
and Christian Zionism
is not something that's going to
last in my views
that the foundations
of dispensationalism
were built on a
false
a false theology
really you know a false
foundation
and that foundation
is disintegrating because
the seminaries
that were created to
disperse this
and when you have seminaries
and you're training theologians
you have to have scholarly work
and there's actually a book that
I'm reading now
it's called the rise and fall
of dispensationalism
this is by an author Daniel Hummel
how the evangelical
battles over the end times shaped a nation
and it says scholarly work
it's actually
actually quite new
it's a
republished in I think 2023 on this
paperback line I definitely
recommend looking at it
because it goes through an in-depth
from the start to the end of
dispensationalism but
the thing is that he outlines is that
there has been
a rise of it
and there is a fall
to it that has already begun
happening because
in a lot of seminary schools
where they teach theologians
they are no longer teaching
dispensational beliefs there
they're no longer teaching that
a lot of that has gone by the wayside
and he documents and talks about
how that how the scholarly
work that used to
support the school field bible
the Zionist
dispensational beliefs
of
is
is not being taught
and being
is less and less influential
in these schools because they're just
not producing because it's been largely
discredited
in scholarly work
what we're left with though
is the entail
the
remnant which is the pop culture
that's the left behind
late great nation by Hal Lindsey
those type of things
those are in our media those are in the public
psyche and mind
but without the support
of the strong
the strong foundation that
they tried to build during the moody
movement and with
John Nelson Darby
and Sire Skollfield
and others that
trailblaze
the dispensational movement
now that that is
fading
and fading fast
you know I don't know how long this is going to be around
plus
the fact that
I believe that
there's going to be an awakening
to how blind
they were you know for those that
are hardcore dispensationalists today
that I think that there were always
there's always going to be probably some that are there
you know shouting loudly
but I think
in time it's going to be largely discredited
as one of those blips
in history
that happened
that influenced the world in bad ways
we're suffering the consequences
right now the world is suffering the consequences
of this to an extent
you know through the support of America
to support Israel's
goals
of greater Israel or whatever they
whatever they're looking for
and over there in Israel they got things
they got problems not everyone's a Zionist
Jew in Israel
but that's a culture where
people are indoctrinated
through hate and through teaching
their superiority
of their
their
their Jewishness
you know there's a lot of that over there
so I mean they got
it's almost like everything that they said
about what Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany
was and how Nazi Germany
you know taught the supreme man
and all that stuff
you know it's like that's what's going on over there
but only in their
with their theology
their
I guess their political Zionism
and stuff teaching themselves that
both of them
that's going to have to come to the end but we
you know
there's still time to pull the plug
on that support
to change the ship
but I think it's starting now
let's go ahead and wrap it up
I got to get going but
I do want to bring attention to
one of the top stories
I'm famous in Phoenix right now
just a minute I'll give it to you
the top stories
is by Chuck Baldwin
the pastor we all know
Christianity is not the Christianity
of the Bible
Pete Hegs says Christianity
and what he's going on about
a lot of the things that the secretary
of war was saying kill kill kill
and the righteous indignation of
kill kill and we're going to do some killing
and divine providence
and God said and go kill
and a lot of the stuff that he was saying
and what you were just saying
it's starting to go away
and this is what pastor Baldwin
has been
advocating he's saying look man
this is going by the wayside
this choice
this advocacy
this final pull in the trigger
of we going to have us
a nuclear mushroom cloud
is
not as supported as they
thought but that's why
Israelis are buying up all the media
and tick tock
and CBS and Paramount and whatever
you're going to see all the movies
I mean here it comes
and I think it's going to be
what you're saying
it's a disintegration of this
as many of us
as activists with the Christian
Zionism
book and the movie
that we were part of
all this stuff is building up
which is why they're attacked so much
because it's a splinter
in our mind
of uncovering the secrets and exposing the lies
that we're looking at and going
this is not
good it's not even Christian
it's not even Jewish
this is they make this crap
up as they go along
so I am of the
opinion that this
is hopefully we can
avoid a thermonuclear war
but I think
they don't get what they want now
it's going to be a long time
before they get another crack at it
and I feel desperation
that's what I'm worried about
I wholeheartedly agree
the theme we talked today
is the desperation
of the Israeli government
the desperation of Donald Trump
there's desperation of the deep state
I mean the control over
the media that they're losing
as the new media
they can't suppress the war drums
like they have before on all fronts
I'm sure there's a bank thing involved in there somewhere
what's that?
I'm sure there's a bank thing
it's always about the money
yeah I agree
so Andrew
I have a couple of quick questions
for you
but before I do I have to just say
I'm surprised Ernie hasn't brought it up yet
we're talking about apocalyptic eschatology
for a whole hour
and you happen for all reasons
I don't know
a mushroom cloud nuked behind you
is that just like your foreshadowing
or what?
yeah that's kind of
what we're here
that's where all this can lead to
God willing it doesn't
but this
apocalyptic
or this
there's a better term for it
but it's just basically
when you're in the mindset that
you're leading to
that this has to happen
type of thing
for God to come back
we have to have these big conflicts
all these things have to lead up to it
we become a self-fulfilling prophecy
and we should keep this in mind
behind my head that
this is a
this is a real thing
they're building to
if they want it to happen
we need a new world order to prevent this
that we allowed it to happen from happening
it's funny it's ironic
because I have a couple of friends
who are
in the Christian Zionist movement
which I didn't understand
they were in that at the time
and they're all talking about the end times
and of course there's going to be a war over
Israel and all of this
and then the irony is
it's like you create your own prophecy
because it's the very second
it's these very Zionists that are doing this
that are attacking Iran
and creating World War 3
and it's like well there's your end times
you're creating it
and that gets to
it's like
from my point of view
it's like a deep
embarrassment
and it's a shock and it's sort of
one of these moments where
for a lot of people they have
the awareness that the media lies to them
or Dr. Fauci might not be
on your side that sort of thing
most of us in this audience
we're already kind of grasped it
but trust me we all still have our own awakenings
and this was one of them for me
and it's shocking and almost embarrassing
as an American with
the first amendment
as far as at least
the way it's interpreted not to have religion
separation church and state
which is the whole thing in itself
how is it in the year 2026
with decades of
getting the religion out of the schools
whether you think that's a good or bad thing
we can debate that whole
that's a whole separate conversation
but at the end of the day here we are
with possible World War 3
that's a religious war
with America of all things
like America, it's like
where did this come from the America that
I mean there's a lot of reasons
to have wars over oil and the petrodollar
whatever I never thought in the world
it would wind up in a religious war
like we're back in the 12th century
and that is such a shock
or at least I will admit for myself
I'm sure a lot of this audience
the question I have for you though is
where do you like
I can see a fight with
you know, Trump versus the Democrats
or the establishment non-establishment
or the X
MAGA versus the new
Lindsey Graham pseudo MAGA
or if you heard me say earlier
Donald Trump is not MAGA anymore
because America is great now so he's already done
but the question is
is there a fight that I don't know
about amongst
the religious community
in other words if 15
20% are
these Zionist Christians
and they definitely have
just an over
weighted influence in our
government and that's
part of the religious front, a religious
infighting is not
my world, I mean I know the
Protestants versus Catholics
Christians versus the sect
is there a push or unification
anyway that you're seeing
of Christians
Protestants maybe even
an aggregate of maybe even Mormons
people looking at this
as it's, we may not
all agree on the same with the doctrine
but the Zionists
they're sitting with their finger on the
button over their interpretation of lying
sex or something
is there an inside amongst religious people
fight or push back
or no, is it just
simply political?
Yeah, so because of the
because this
this systemized
theology and eschatology
has transcended
from the Christian world
to just a view that most
people in society all hold in general
I feel like
it's slowly
moving in the Christian community
like you got people like Chuck Baldwin
great, you know
but why aren't there more Chuck Baldwin's
why aren't there more pastors out there talking about this
some of it's the
view of the place of the church
within some churches
just to focus like
at church more on the majors
of the Bible not so much
these hot topics
not wanting to
maybe rock the boat
or get into very divisive
stuff so they
kind of bow out of it
but also maybe in part because
they're
worldviews
apart from the Bible their biblical
views
have also been shaped in some
pop
popular capacity
from
looking at Russia
as eternally
the enemy
right looking at
Iran and things like that
in other countries in Syria as the
enemy because these things have played
themselves in a geopolitical
view
but it's informed that geopolitical view
I believe is it formed by
this you know what
was the dispensational
view of the world and stuff
very informed by that
and that's a hard thing
you know because people might not
agree with all the dispensational
stuff but they may still
kind of view these countries over there
just you know through politics and watching the news
kind of being brainwashing stuff
as the enemy so it's like why even speak up
if they're the baddies over there
you know then
you know there's not going to be
a lot of talk even outside the church
of that
but I do find hope because
in the media
unlike 20 years ago 30 years from
ago 40 years ago
we didn't talk you know no one hardly
talked I mean there were people that talked about
is you know Zionism
and stuff and the problem with
the problem that
Zionist Jews are causing in the world
was back then
like very hush hush you couldn't talk about
because if you were you were anti-Semite
and not very many people were brave enough
to go out there and talk about it
and now today
you know
it is exploded
where every single
podcaster every single
commentator out there is all
doing their
you know their commentary on this
very issue and
you know even though
there's a tax from the
from the sides that would not want us
to talk about
Zionism and Jews and
Israel and all the stuff
and trying to silence us
just go out there
this has become popularized
it's not acceptable to talk about that's a very
positive thing we're having a conversation
in the alternative media
sphere like no other
not even before not even
you know back in
2008 yeah
we made
DVDs and stuff on Christian
Zionism and stuff but it was still
like a very you know even
within it is very hard like
there was a lot of passion it's like
okay well
let you know
a lot there was
few people that were very passionate about it
and some people less passionate
about it a lot of people want to keep focused on the
politics of the geopolitics
and other issues
and stuff
yeah he cut
go ahead
no I mean he cut out
oh there he is
okay yeah
the um
there was
yeah we could go on and on but I want to wrap it up
there was a
um
Pastor Dixon
and I don't know if you guys remember him
but Pastor Dixon used to write for
Friems Phoenix quite a bit
now he was the pastor
of uh Indianapolis
uh
Baptist Church
now what happens
the IRS went after them
because they were like
look we're not you know paying
people give us contributions
you know they're tithing
and then we pay church staff with that
then you want to tax tithing
that we pay our employee
we're challenging that
well what really got them
to the attention of the man
which they eventually bulldozed their church
and the remaining
buildings that were part of their
school they turned it into a public
school just to twist a knife
because this is what we're dealing with
evil and what
happened was it was home schooling
and alternative education
and schools and so on that were in
Texas that they were helping with
and that was what got them on the radar
well he wrote
a book and the main thing came down to this
when
you say
is there any pushback
on these churches
you know is there any pushback
of these different denominations
any pushback at all yes there is
and man they go after you
well what happened was
they had a lot of people
certainly after the
first Iraq war
daddy bushes war
there was a lot of denominational
non-denominational churches
when we would go around and speak
as libertarian candidates
we'd go to different churches
some of them a lot of people
the candidates wouldn't go
they were dubbed as anti-semitic
or they wouldn't officially recognize IRS
or some crap like that
we would go and speak to these congregations
all over the state
there was a lot of them
and what happened was it was
exactly what you're talking about Frank
it was this opposition
to how the church had been used
and what was changing
which is why pastor Chuck Baldwin
moved his congregation
whoever went with him quite a bit
as a matter of fact from Florida
to Montana
well this has been my experience
in you know as we were looking for another church
that wasn't you know
bomb all the Muslims
we got to kill kill kill just war doctrine
we're with Israel always
and forever and all this kind of
non-christian sure as shit
not what I believe and brought
my children up as
so there has been a lot of opposition
when they went
non-denominational
Greg Dixon this is what the pastor realized
he wrote a book about it
and he came there as a breakfast club
we've had him on shows
and this is what it came down to
when you separate
and you say you know I'm non-denominational
I'm not with IRS
we're not organizing
ourselves as a corporation
you kind of give
we're just individuals
meeting and peace out
and we do what we want and we're not
with your program
the IRS came back
and said doesn't matter
if you have more than two people
you know like in the Bible it says
you stack two stones
you split a piece of wood boom
you created a church there I am
well they go you are
under control of the IRS
just by believing
in God and meeting about it
because we said
so all these
non-denominational things
thinking that they were
insulating themselves from this
Pastor Dixon would go yeah you think so
well let me show you the court case
and then they came with bulldozers
and bulldoze
the church
and this was as
congregation members
locked arms standing out
in front of the church or whatever
physically removing bulldoze
this is how bad it is
if you do not
support the
the edicts
the doctrine the law
however they just IRS just writes it
then you are under the gun
and this is why
you don't see a lot of open
dissent
this is why
there isn't you know
we be the church of not doing it
and you get like the Lutherans
all of a sudden we got
gay female pastors of
whatever
they got a shave off their mustache
it is amazing
what we have been putting up with
but it is coming to a head
and we are seeing it happen
in countries like the united kingdom
and
in countries like hungry
where they are pushing back on this stuff
so you have
people that are seen as more orthodox
Christians and oh my god it is Russia
so
this is coming to a head
and this war in Iran
is either going to
end in a mushroom
clouds and Israel rules the planet
or something
or not
I am thinking that
no matter what happens
if Zionist Christians
or Zionism or Israel
they get what they want
it is not going to stick
because they really
believe in their own press
and who is their front guy
Ben Shapiro
seriously that is your A game
so this is why
I have been
kind of in and around this
as activists lend my support
for just truth justice
murkham way
and it has been
obvious that we are up against something
and a lot of it
has to do with what you are seeing
right now
with Netanyahu
trying to cover his own ass
and all of this
that is going on has been
due to the infiltration in our own
government
in our own popularized culture
and in
the church itself
and the leadership
it is going to take
a reformation
it is going to take a revolution
in christianity
and thought and individuals
that has already started
and I saw it building up
in the early 90s
because of the first Iraq war
so that has been my experience
that I see coming
thanks for joining us
I am going to let Frank and Andrew
have the last word
and then we are wrapping it up
go Frank
thanks Ernie it was a good show
I appreciate it thanks again for Andrew being here
I would just quickly say
my concern
and for the people forgetting the religion for a minute
is for the Israeli people
and
I just kind of wonder if they are showing their own destruction
not that I wish it of course
but what happens
when America finally disconnects
and just like both of you were talking about
I mean this
it is like a house of cards for the Zionist movement
and it can't hold
it is going to fall apart on top of that
accelerated with the economy falling apart
and the information changes
and they can't
control the information
and the sentiments like they used to
and on and on and on
so what happens when they lose their biggest backer
in America
there is already overtures that
the Israeli government is now trying to move on
to make deals with India
and China
that they know America is done
but China is the rising power
so they jump off of the American sinking ship
and go to China and offer their technology
and say look we will be
your tech burrows
and get into that country
now of course that could work
they might try the same tactics they did with America
but with the information
highway the way it is today
I don't know if that would work or not
and you know who knows
my point though is that if
America disconnects from it
because the youth are not going to be supporting
both democrat and republican independence
are not going to support Israel even right now
propagated by a war however
this thing plays out
and their bankrupt
and if the Middle East then starts to turn on them
because you know of the
what's happening now
I mean who knows how many Middle Eastern countries
are going to support them
at least maybe I don't know about being hostile
but they may not be supporting them
maybe there will be just a payback
and if America is not there to defend them
then all these Arab countries
start to take their licks on them
I don't know
and so the question is with Israel
finally feeling like they
if they are really backed in a corner
and they have their nukes
then what?
so I obviously don't wish the country be destroyed
but at the same time
it's kind of like at some point
like the little boy cried wolf
when all of a sudden all of your friends
and the system you set up
just kind of melts away
and you're all by yourself confronting
all the enemies
or the paybacks of people who
maybe you've angered over the years
who knows what will happen because it's such a small country
anyway that's just
and what will the reaction
of the world be
will the Zionists
in America be so
as maybe they might lose some power
but will they still shoot off their own
wad to support Israel
if Israel is truly
with an existential threat of existence
like truly not manufactured
the way that I see it is now but
they actually create it
exactly their own reality
anyway thank you Ernie thank you Andrew
Andrew last word
go ahead
I just encourage everyone out there
we all have
friends family and colleagues
out there
that hold these
opposing views
that we're opposing
but
I think that
the Bible teaches that the truth
will prevail
true logos is
the true knowledge
and all truth comes from God
and
the false statements
the false views that they hold
the inconsistencies those things
that are just not
consistent with the theology
that they
with the Bible
that they also hold to
hold to Jesus
Jesus is Christ
the Lord
the Arch Christians
we must remind them
of better consistency
and truth from the Bible
to challenge these beliefs
that are inconsistent with the teaching
of the Bible
if we do that
with our friends and our neighbors
and those that we're in touch with
in a way that
is not disparaging
in a way that
you have to look at yourself
as an educator
someone that's out there
with their best interest
that you may cringe at
and really
just be patient
and continue on with the conversation
because eventually they will come around
and I have talked to many people
where starting out
had very opposite views
on this
and we're very much in that
Zionist Christian camp
that have
started to come over
or have flipped their views on
Israel and the war
there is hope
we must just talk to each other
and something that must be debated out
and the truth will prevail
as Jesus said
the gates of hell will not prevail
meaning that
Satan is on the defensive
the lies
are on the defensive
the truth is on the attack
and we are going to prevail
against it in the end
it may get ugly
but just keep consistent
thank you
thanks guys
we didn't even get into
a lot of the stuff
things like
Charlie Kirk's
assassination
I mean you know it is
amazing how bad
you know things can get
and if we
don't have these discussions
they won't be had
and the truth won't be unveiled
whether you agree with everything or not
it's not even the point
it's that there has been a mission
and the mission
is not us
I can guarantee that
so this has been a good show
thanks for coming on
Andrew it's good to see you man
there's a good Christian family
that
got it going on
he's populating
he's doing his part
I want to be glad that
you're a dad and raising a family
you've always been really happy for
even Frank
but he finally had a baby
I'll get him going
I was gonna left out
yeah he was feeling left out
you know thanks guys
this has been
enlightening
and hopefully people understand
how this relates
into the Trump report
and the wars
and the rumors of wars
and what we're up against
PACE