WEBVTT 00:06.030 --> 00:08.830 Have you noticed that this show doesn't have any commercials? 00:09.530 --> 00:14.090 I'm not selling you diapers or vitamins or smoothies or gasoline. 00:14.630 --> 00:19.050 That's because I don't want any corporate sponsors telling me what I can investigate 00:19.050 --> 00:20.510 or what I can say. 00:21.030 --> 00:23.450 Instead, you are our sponsors. 00:24.270 --> 00:28.970 This is a production by our nonprofit, the Inform Consent Action Network. 00:29.510 --> 00:34.990 So if you want more investigations, if you want landmark legal wins, if you want 00:34.990 --> 00:41.510 hard-hitting news, if you want the truth, go to ikandeside.org and donate now. 00:42.770 --> 00:44.050 All right, everyone, are we ready? 00:44.650 --> 00:45.070 Yeah! 00:45.630 --> 00:46.250 Let's do this. 00:47.030 --> 00:47.430 Action. 01:01.320 --> 01:05.580 Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are out there in the world. 01:05.760 --> 01:09.440 It is time for us all to step out onto the high wire. 01:09.800 --> 01:16.500 You know, when I say us all, we're one of the few news programs that is broadcast all around the world. 01:16.980 --> 01:20.280 And so much of what we're reporting on affects the world. 01:20.440 --> 01:24.560 Also, we report on what's happening when it's not just in the United States of America. 01:24.560 --> 01:29.860 And every once in a while, there's a nation that gets out ahead of America, believe it or not, 01:29.940 --> 01:33.080 and does the right thing and maybe affects the entire world. 01:33.280 --> 01:38.360 I was just up in Vancouver, Canada, visiting up with some sponsors and donors up there 01:38.360 --> 01:40.500 that have made the high wire possible. 01:40.720 --> 01:44.640 And we're talking about one of the biggest news stories that affected COVID. 01:45.160 --> 01:48.240 And there was a huge ruling right around the corner. 01:48.420 --> 01:51.840 But before we get into that, what was the big event in Canada? 01:52.180 --> 01:54.820 Do you remember the Canadian truckers? 01:55.540 --> 01:58.840 We are in the middle of Trans-Canada Highway. 01:59.100 --> 02:03.800 And as you can see, the long, epic convoy is passing by. 02:04.140 --> 02:08.880 A lot of you don't realize the magnitude of this convoy and what we are actually standing for. 02:09.360 --> 02:13.680 As of yesterday, we were well over 60,000 trucks strong and growing every day. 02:13.680 --> 02:15.260 It's time to stand up. 02:15.900 --> 02:18.040 Don't let our freedoms go because we'll never get them back. 02:18.220 --> 02:23.980 And on the way to Ottawa, every overpass is packed with Canadians. 02:24.940 --> 02:27.180 Look at this right here. This is not a fridge. 02:27.800 --> 02:32.180 People believe that the government has overstepped with mandates 02:32.180 --> 02:35.200 and they are here to exercise their democratic right. 02:35.340 --> 02:38.060 We want all mandates for all Canadians to quickly abolish. 02:38.280 --> 02:41.320 We've done what we've been told to do, and enough is enough. 02:41.320 --> 02:45.200 And we're here to make sure that the world knows that we're behind people. 02:45.380 --> 02:48.660 We want to get back to the way it was, not the new normal. 02:48.880 --> 02:52.880 What we've seen in the last year with demonization of people, 02:53.200 --> 02:56.440 the hatred that has been spewed from the highest levels, 02:56.480 --> 03:00.020 is completely unacceptable and the people have had enough. 03:02.320 --> 03:08.820 I would argue that the Canadian truckers was probably the single most successful 03:08.820 --> 03:11.840 and effective act of rebellion in COVID, 03:12.000 --> 03:14.500 the greatest protest anywhere in the world. 03:14.560 --> 03:15.680 And we had some big ones here. 03:15.760 --> 03:19.840 We had defeat the mandates here in America, which were great events. 03:19.980 --> 03:23.120 About 40,000 in Washington, D.C. 03:23.520 --> 03:26.480 and nearly 30,000 in Los Angeles. 03:26.840 --> 03:29.860 And we saw some protests in England and all around the world. 03:30.080 --> 03:33.900 But this one seemed to grab the hearts and minds of everybody. 03:34.160 --> 03:36.900 It didn't matter what country you were in. 03:36.900 --> 03:41.940 The heart felt energy behind these truckers risking their careers. 03:42.160 --> 03:44.180 And of course, it was all about the fact that they wanted to force 03:44.180 --> 03:48.180 vaccinate them in order to do their job, sitting in their trucks all by themselves. 03:48.440 --> 03:49.500 What difference would it make? 03:49.960 --> 03:54.420 Well, it shut down public spaces and they were there. 03:54.840 --> 04:00.580 And eventually it was declared that it was, I think, a national emergency. 04:01.020 --> 04:03.880 And they tried to bring in some of the war powers acts, 04:03.880 --> 04:07.860 I guess, if you will, those emergency acts that were used all around the world 04:07.860 --> 04:12.880 to lock down, you know, free citizens, to bring in authoritarianism, 04:13.040 --> 04:17.820 which seemed at the heart of it to be the whole underlying goal of this. 04:17.940 --> 04:21.400 And this is, you know, the leader at the time, Justin Trudeau, 04:21.600 --> 04:23.540 talking about doing exactly that. 04:23.700 --> 04:25.720 We're going to turn this into an authoritarian regime 04:25.720 --> 04:27.120 because we have an emergency. 04:27.980 --> 04:32.660 The federal government has invoked the Emergencies Act 04:33.000 --> 04:36.460 to supplement provincial and territorial capacity 04:36.780 --> 04:39.980 to address the blockades and occupations. 04:40.880 --> 04:44.620 The scope of these measures will be time limited, 04:45.640 --> 04:51.660 geographically targeted, as well as reasonable and proportionate 04:52.100 --> 04:54.400 to the threats they are meant to address. 04:55.100 --> 04:58.300 Of course, it ended up being anything but reasonable 04:58.300 --> 05:02.900 as people started seeing that the, you know, the GoFundMe account. 05:03.080 --> 05:04.080 Here is Freedom Convoy. 05:04.220 --> 05:07.680 GoFundMe seizes funds of Canada occupation. 05:08.000 --> 05:09.640 And then they went after the bank accounts. 05:09.980 --> 05:12.640 Canadian authorities freeze financial assets 05:12.640 --> 05:16.140 for those involved in ongoing protests in Ottawa. 05:16.640 --> 05:18.920 That was not just the truckers having their accounts frozen, 05:19.120 --> 05:21.780 but people that were donating to the convoy. 05:21.880 --> 05:24.960 We've really never seen anything quite like that. 05:24.960 --> 05:26.920 Certainly that went further than we saw 05:26.920 --> 05:29.920 what was taking place here in the United States of America. 05:30.360 --> 05:34.200 Well, there has been a court case ongoing. 05:34.780 --> 05:38.980 And now the appellate courts just ruled this is what has just happened in Canada. 05:39.540 --> 05:42.060 Just a few days ago, this is January 16th. 05:42.140 --> 05:45.200 The federal government loses Emergencies Act appeal. 05:45.720 --> 05:49.780 Court says use during convoy protest was unreasonable. 05:50.420 --> 05:54.200 It goes on to say as disturbing and disruptive the blockades 05:54.200 --> 05:58.660 in the convoy protests in Ottawa could be they fell well short of a threat 05:58.660 --> 06:03.480 to national security, wrote the three judges on the appeals courts. 06:03.580 --> 06:04.400 This was the appeals court. 06:04.480 --> 06:07.040 They'd already won in a regular court. 06:07.140 --> 06:11.300 There was no evidence that the lives, health or safety of the people living 06:11.300 --> 06:15.880 in Ottawa were endangered as annoying, stressful and concerning as the protests 06:15.880 --> 06:18.520 were raised the courts decision. 06:19.420 --> 06:21.520 This is a massive decision. 06:21.520 --> 06:25.240 I would imagine the government's going to try to take it all the way to the Supreme 06:25.240 --> 06:29.800 Court and see if they can find one court that would agree with the decision 06:29.800 --> 06:32.060 to become an authoritarian nation. 06:32.420 --> 06:34.940 Now, I also want to point out that, you know, 06:35.080 --> 06:40.080 Justin Trudeau is no longer the prime minister, neither is the head of New 06:40.080 --> 06:41.720 Zealand or England. 06:42.040 --> 06:47.480 All of these people, Joe Biden, everybody that force mandates at this level 06:47.480 --> 06:52.320 and brought this worldwide authoritarian regime so many of them aren't even in the 06:52.320 --> 06:55.800 political sphere any longer because the people spoke out. 06:56.020 --> 07:00.300 Now, it's really unfortunate what's happened in Canada and Canada may be 07:00.300 --> 07:02.480 fairer, worse than most around the world. 07:02.840 --> 07:05.120 So it's ironic that they had the greatest 07:05.120 --> 07:09.900 protest, probably affected laws and, you know, and the energy all around the 07:09.900 --> 07:14.260 world, but they themselves still find themselves, you know, under in many 07:14.260 --> 07:17.580 ways, an authoritarian's perspective on vaccination. 07:17.940 --> 07:19.840 So we're going to continue to talk about Canada. 07:20.220 --> 07:23.820 I'm going to continue to go up there and support their right to freedom 07:23.820 --> 07:26.980 because they are just too close a neighbor to America. 07:26.980 --> 07:29.380 We just cannot stand for this. 07:29.540 --> 07:34.760 We've got to, you know, stop authoritarianism everywhere that it breeds. 07:35.100 --> 07:36.440 I guess you could go as far as calling 07:36.440 --> 07:41.400 collectivism, communism, all these things that seem to be hot button issues 07:41.400 --> 07:42.900 now all around the world. 07:43.420 --> 07:47.400 And if anything affects our health, certainly the inability to control what 07:47.400 --> 07:50.820 goes into our own bodies and the bodies of our children. 07:51.240 --> 07:52.640 This isn't a national problem. 07:52.780 --> 07:54.520 It's currently an international problem. 07:54.800 --> 07:58.860 That's why the high wires proud to be broadcasting all around the world. 07:59.020 --> 08:01.040 We've got a great show coming up. 08:01.220 --> 08:04.160 Dr. Joel Gator Walsh joining me. 08:04.440 --> 08:08.200 This is a pediatrician that started in the mainstream but slowly but surely 08:08.720 --> 08:12.380 watched the foundations of medicine that he had been trained in, 08:12.620 --> 08:14.620 started crumbling around him. 08:14.680 --> 08:17.560 We're going to see where he's at now and is it possible to find? 08:17.660 --> 08:22.680 Is there a is there a convenient middle that we can all land on in this debate 08:22.680 --> 08:26.160 that is now, you know, gripping America and the world? 08:26.380 --> 08:28.780 But first is time for the Jackson report. 08:38.520 --> 08:40.960 It's really great to see, you know, 08:41.580 --> 08:43.500 courts still working, right? 08:43.500 --> 08:48.660 That there's a court system in what look like a nation that was lost in Canada. 08:49.060 --> 08:51.400 I'm glad to see they can count on the court system. 08:51.520 --> 08:54.980 Many of the ways that we do in the work that we're doing with Aaron Seary and 08:54.980 --> 08:56.480 our lawsuits here in America. 08:57.460 --> 08:58.880 Right. And it works. 08:59.220 --> 09:01.880 Justice, human rights, it's in the books. 09:02.040 --> 09:05.060 You just follow the letter of the law and things tend to work out. 09:06.240 --> 09:10.320 I want to talk about something going back to that COVID response, 09:10.740 --> 09:12.680 that hard, heavy handed COVID response. 09:12.680 --> 09:14.940 As I'm seeing the joke go around online, 09:15.220 --> 09:18.520 the idea of natural immunity has been known for thousands of years throughout 09:18.520 --> 09:22.820 humanity, and it was somehow forgotten right around 2020 when COVID happened. 09:23.260 --> 09:26.920 Yeah. And it wasn't maybe forgotten as it was suppressed. 09:27.500 --> 09:30.140 So just to bring people back there, the Lancet, 09:30.800 --> 09:33.680 scientific consensus, anytime you see these words, you have to, 09:33.940 --> 09:38.100 your spidey sense has to go up, but they put this out in October of 2020. 09:38.620 --> 09:42.300 Scientific consensus on COVID-19 pandemic, we need to act now. 09:42.300 --> 09:46.660 It says any pandemic management strategy relying upon immunity from natural 09:46.660 --> 09:48.820 infections for COVID-19 is flawed. 09:49.340 --> 09:51.300 This was signed by top medical experts, 09:51.460 --> 09:55.060 Rochelle Linsky, the director of the CDC goes on to say furthermore, 09:55.120 --> 09:59.300 there's no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following 09:59.300 --> 10:03.680 natural infection. This was before the COVID shot came out, October 2020. 10:04.080 --> 10:08.600 COVID shot first goes into the arm in December of 2020 in the United States. 10:08.860 --> 10:11.820 So they're saying, forget about it. 10:11.820 --> 10:12.960 Don't even think about it. 10:13.060 --> 10:15.780 In fact, remember to, as we know from Peter McCull and others, 10:16.240 --> 10:18.440 forget about early treatment, forget about everything. 10:18.740 --> 10:19.920 Just wait for that vaccine. 10:20.480 --> 10:23.960 Well, now we have internal emails from Anthony Fauci. 10:24.600 --> 10:26.360 This is the headline here, Daily Caller, 10:27.220 --> 10:29.440 Exclusive Fauci Privately Called Natural 10:29.440 --> 10:32.660 Immunity Data, Impressive Before Forcing Jabs on Americans. 10:33.220 --> 10:36.320 Let's go right to these emails, August of 2021. 10:37.060 --> 10:40.600 So the vaccine mandates were well into effect at this point. 10:40.600 --> 10:43.860 They were being given out, they were starting to be pressed, heavy-handed. 10:44.260 --> 10:46.420 Fauci writes an email to Francis Collins, 10:46.760 --> 10:48.480 the CDC director, Rochelle Linsky. 10:49.000 --> 10:54.040 And the subject of this email is post-infection protection versus vaccine immunity. 10:54.400 --> 10:55.680 You can't get any more clearer than that. 10:56.060 --> 10:57.920 And he says this, he's looking at Israeli data. 10:58.020 --> 11:00.340 Remember Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of Israel, 11:00.700 --> 11:04.440 he basically was the first to jab his population with the Pfizer vaccine. 11:04.440 --> 11:07.660 So there was a lot of interest in how this open-air experiment would work. 11:07.660 --> 11:10.260 People were studying those people that took that jab. 11:10.500 --> 11:15.280 And so Fauci gets some studies on the Israeli data on natural immunity. 11:15.360 --> 11:19.640 He says this, the data as reported in the news article looks rather impressive 11:19.640 --> 11:23.480 despite the caveat that it is a retrospective study and the testing was voluntary. 11:23.780 --> 11:28.760 However, it is conceivable and possibly likely that those who have had a serious 11:28.760 --> 11:32.940 systemic infection develop a high level of immunity that even surpasses that 11:32.940 --> 11:35.120 of full vaccination. Wow. Wow. 11:35.120 --> 11:37.360 Well, possibly likely. 11:38.280 --> 11:39.260 I like it. 11:39.720 --> 11:42.700 OK, possibly likely it's better. 11:43.080 --> 11:44.940 And by the way, Jeffrey, we were reporting on this. 11:45.040 --> 11:47.040 I know we're going to talk about all the way through. 11:47.620 --> 11:50.640 But the vaccine program has forever been 11:50.640 --> 11:55.680 attempting to achieve the incredible, robust nature of natural infection. 11:55.920 --> 11:58.100 It has never, ever achieved. 11:58.260 --> 12:00.360 We said this during COVID. I will still say it. 12:00.480 --> 12:04.820 We have never seen a vaccine that performs better than surviving 12:05.120 --> 12:09.520 natural infection. We can argue how dangerous that natural infection was and 12:09.520 --> 12:14.200 all the other things. But what you cannot argue is the fact that it always has 12:14.200 --> 12:19.760 provided more robust protection, longer lasting, deeper, more thorough 12:20.900 --> 12:23.180 rejection of the infection. 12:23.840 --> 12:25.820 And so this would have been an anomaly. 12:26.000 --> 12:30.200 This COVID-19 vaccine rushed on the market would have been the first time 12:30.200 --> 12:32.780 in history of vaccine performed better. 12:33.200 --> 12:37.560 And we know there was no way they had taken the time to do the science to prove 12:37.560 --> 12:41.080 that this was an anomaly, the one of a kind that is finally doing better 12:41.080 --> 12:45.060 than natural infection. And now we're finally being proved right that 12:45.060 --> 12:48.200 they weren't as stupid as we thought they knew better. 12:49.000 --> 12:53.340 Exactly. Fauci saying rather impressive behind closed doors publicly, 12:53.500 --> 12:55.820 not even giving any credence to natural immunity. 12:56.100 --> 12:57.820 It's the shot. It's the shot. It's the shot. 12:57.820 --> 13:00.580 So in that same email string, you have John Brooks. 13:00.920 --> 13:04.460 He's the CDC's chief medical officer of the COVID-19 response. 13:05.260 --> 13:10.000 And he puts together kind of like a meta-analysis of all the data to that 13:10.000 --> 13:11.900 point of natural immunity. 13:12.220 --> 13:14.040 What do we know? Because this looks rather impressive. 13:14.400 --> 13:15.420 He says, let me put this together. 13:15.780 --> 13:16.840 This is what he says. OK. 13:17.020 --> 13:21.380 So it seems now for at least three very different analysis of different data 13:21.380 --> 13:26.420 that at least mRNA vaccine effectiveness is about as good as infection induced 13:26.420 --> 13:29.440 immunity, but the immune induced immunity wanes over time, 13:29.760 --> 13:34.620 especially that induced by Pfizer's vaccine, whereas infection induced may be 13:34.620 --> 13:38.060 more durable up to at least the four to six month mark. 13:38.540 --> 13:40.860 So remember at the time, that's early on, 13:40.940 --> 13:43.320 they really only had data up to the six month mark. 13:43.560 --> 13:47.260 So he's basically saying this vaccine, this Pfizer vaccine wanes, 13:47.340 --> 13:51.800 but maxing out what we know right now, natural immunity is going to go 13:51.800 --> 13:54.580 in the distance. So what conclusion does he makes? 13:54.580 --> 13:56.680 Does he say we should study this more? 13:57.220 --> 13:58.400 We should maybe balance this? 13:58.580 --> 14:02.240 Maybe we should test people that have natural immunity, so we have to force 14:02.240 --> 14:04.460 the vaccine, the spirit, mental vaccine on them? 14:04.580 --> 14:06.440 No, this is the conclusion that Mr. 14:06.580 --> 14:07.660 Brooks makes, Dr. Brooks makes. 14:07.740 --> 14:11.160 He says this, the good news here is that boosters look like a solution. 14:11.300 --> 14:14.220 Maybe this will be a three dose vaccine. 14:14.360 --> 14:18.560 After all, basically he says we should offer boosters because the vaccine's 14:18.560 --> 14:20.280 not working, natural immunity looks really good. 14:20.500 --> 14:21.600 Let's just get people more vaccines. 14:21.860 --> 14:23.300 I mean, I think it's the heart of it, Jeffrey. 14:23.300 --> 14:26.700 People are seeing what my beep has been all along. 14:27.180 --> 14:32.100 Doctors and the scientific establishment is so into fighting nature, 14:32.200 --> 14:34.280 to doing better than nature already does. 14:34.420 --> 14:39.280 Or if you are a religious person to do better than God created you so that 14:39.280 --> 14:43.780 even when it's clear, your natural body, your natural immune system 14:43.780 --> 14:49.440 performs far better than under this vaccine regime, their answer isn't, 14:49.600 --> 14:51.620 well, let's just back off and let people have natural immunity. 14:51.620 --> 14:55.600 No, let's try three boosters or four or five or seven or nine. 14:55.780 --> 14:56.740 And now we're at 10. 14:57.040 --> 15:01.820 This is how crazy establishment medicine and science is. 15:01.980 --> 15:03.200 They will never give up. 15:03.300 --> 15:05.560 They will never admit they're lost. 15:05.920 --> 15:10.480 You know, and that's it's really, really unfortunate and quite scary. 15:10.600 --> 15:14.200 And I don't know how people are going to ever get back to a place of trust. 15:15.220 --> 15:17.500 And as remember, as they kicked off the mandates, 15:17.500 --> 15:19.880 they had data showing natural immunity was better. 15:19.880 --> 15:24.600 So whether it's conflicts of interest or just religious dogma at this point, 15:24.820 --> 15:28.880 you really don't want these people running your public health leads when a 15:28.880 --> 15:32.500 once in a lifetime pandemic comes in because they make those decisions. 15:33.020 --> 15:37.800 In fact, here's Paul Offit in retrospect, having a moment of clarity on this 15:37.800 --> 15:38.920 very topic, take a listen. 15:39.500 --> 15:44.520 In February of 2022, I was asked with three other immunology 15:44.520 --> 15:48.900 virology types to participate in a conference call about whether or not 15:49.580 --> 15:51.960 natural infection should count as a vaccine. 15:52.340 --> 15:54.680 In other words, for those areas that were still mandating vaccine, 15:54.800 --> 15:59.160 which was many in early 2022, whether they should be able to say, look here, 15:59.580 --> 16:03.000 I was naturally affected here, this should serve as my vaccine card. 16:04.320 --> 16:06.460 And that meeting was held with 16:07.060 --> 16:10.620 Rochelle Lensky, Tony Fauci, Vivek 16:11.220 --> 16:15.240 Murthy, Murthy from Surgeon General's Office and Francis Collins. 16:16.120 --> 16:18.940 And then me and three other immunology virology types. 16:19.180 --> 16:21.460 We voted on it and it was sort of two to two, basically. 16:21.740 --> 16:25.460 I mean, I was one of the, I think, natural infection should count for obvious reasons. 16:25.680 --> 16:28.120 I mean, actually, you're making immune response to all four viral proteins. 16:28.660 --> 16:31.480 In many ways, make a broader set of types of T cell response. 16:31.780 --> 16:33.120 I think you're better off in many ways. 16:33.220 --> 16:36.960 So I saw Dr. Fauci at a meeting maybe a year ago or so, 16:37.020 --> 16:39.240 because I was already getting out there saying, 16:39.240 --> 16:42.500 I think we should target high risk groups where I was getting a lot of pushback 16:42.500 --> 16:46.220 from from public health people who felt that I had gotten off the bus. 16:46.420 --> 16:48.200 Because see, that was the whole feeling in this, you know, 16:48.220 --> 16:51.240 you're either on the bus or off the bus and there was no in between. 16:51.600 --> 16:54.880 So I got, yeah, I said, I said, Tony, am I wrong? 16:55.080 --> 16:56.060 Am I wrong in making? 16:56.180 --> 16:56.840 He said, no, you're right. 16:57.300 --> 16:58.200 We should target high risk groups. 16:58.380 --> 17:03.280 The problem is, many of you say that it becomes a nuance message. 17:03.280 --> 17:05.020 And a nuance message is a garbled message. 17:05.160 --> 17:07.620 If you really want to make sure those groups get vaccinated, 17:07.620 --> 17:09.060 then you recommend it for everybody. 17:09.700 --> 17:12.500 I mean, he is literally admitting we will lie to you. 17:12.640 --> 17:16.800 We will lie. We'll do whatever it takes to get you to vaccinate. 17:16.880 --> 17:20.680 We don't want the complications of having to say, well, if you've 17:20.680 --> 17:24.240 if you've already had the infection, you know, you're immune because then 17:24.240 --> 17:29.520 we'd have to test. I mean, what's unbelievable about this and so infuriating 17:29.520 --> 17:33.220 is they were literally testing us like two, three times a day. 17:33.240 --> 17:36.160 If you worked in Hollywood preschoolers couldn't go to school without being 17:36.160 --> 17:39.460 tested, but God forbid you say, I don't want the vaccine. 17:39.620 --> 17:42.540 Can you test me to see if I'm telling you I'm infected? 17:42.780 --> 17:43.860 But go ahead and test me. 17:43.960 --> 17:45.420 I'll prove it so I can opt out of the vaccine. 17:45.680 --> 17:46.420 No, we can't do that. 17:46.600 --> 17:50.040 We will test you for every other reason that makes your life a complete and 17:50.040 --> 17:51.440 totally, you know, inconvenience. 17:51.700 --> 17:54.520 But God forbid we test to see if you're naturally immune. 17:54.860 --> 17:58.720 And Jeffrey, I want to point out that Paul off at The Liar and all the 17:58.720 --> 18:02.740 people, Walensky, and not only to say they will lie, they will get the 18:02.740 --> 18:05.860 Lancet to publish a lying journal article. 18:06.200 --> 18:09.580 They will lie through peer reviewed science. 18:09.840 --> 18:14.080 This is why we can never, ever let these people off the hook. 18:14.340 --> 18:18.160 And lastly, by the time he is discovering this, by the time 18:18.160 --> 18:23.180 Biden is mandating this product so that you can go to work, odds are this 18:23.180 --> 18:26.120 virus has already swept the entire world. 18:26.340 --> 18:28.560 We were all already naturally immune. 18:28.640 --> 18:32.200 If anything, there was no science on what the risk would be taking this 18:32.200 --> 18:34.320 after you, you know, had developed immunity. 18:34.680 --> 18:40.020 Good chance it maybe took away your your broad based immunity that we've 18:40.020 --> 18:43.760 gotten into many, many times and then narrowed it down to just what 18:43.760 --> 18:44.800 they're vaccinating you for. 18:45.060 --> 18:49.960 This is such a disaster and it is so, you know, incredibly infuriating. 18:50.220 --> 18:54.360 We knew it, but now to see it right before our eyes and they're 18:54.360 --> 18:57.020 admitting it, maybe even chuckling about it. 18:57.760 --> 19:03.800 Jeffrey and then to think that idiots like Gavin Newsom in California is going 19:03.800 --> 19:07.580 to break away from the CDC's recommendation and not give this to children. 19:07.820 --> 19:09.580 No, no, no, we're giving it to kids. 19:09.840 --> 19:12.540 It looks like Hawaii wants to follow suit right now. 19:12.720 --> 19:15.740 And of course, Connecticut, you've got this West Coast contingent, 19:16.080 --> 19:20.740 East Coast contingent, because we plan on staying stupid and being dangerous 19:20.740 --> 19:23.160 to our population, despite any science. 19:23.400 --> 19:25.460 We will lie. We're sticking with a lie. 19:25.460 --> 19:26.780 We're sticking to it. 19:27.360 --> 19:31.780 And it's really an anti science danger to their populations with those 19:31.780 --> 19:35.720 governors that are pushing these these COVID shots on children at this point. 19:35.900 --> 19:37.980 But I want to stick on Fauci for a second, 19:38.040 --> 19:42.340 because Rand Paul, Senator Rand Paul was recently on Joe Rogan and 19:43.000 --> 19:47.380 the conversation came up of why is Fauci still a free man? 19:47.480 --> 19:48.380 Why is he walking around? 19:48.540 --> 19:49.900 And this is what Rand Paul had to say. 19:50.000 --> 19:51.240 Take a listen. Good question. 19:51.800 --> 19:54.140 Under the Biden administration, I sent 19:54.140 --> 19:58.720 criminal referrals for Anthony Fauci to Merrick Garland twice. 19:59.120 --> 20:02.240 And I sent them evidence that he had lied to Congress, which was a felony. 20:02.760 --> 20:03.640 They just ignored me. 20:04.660 --> 20:07.840 I've been working with Bobby Kennedy and he's been very helpful on this. 20:08.000 --> 20:09.260 I have good relationship with him. 20:09.660 --> 20:13.160 He's given us a lot of information and we've looked at the communications. 20:13.580 --> 20:16.900 And in Anthony Fauci's communications, we now have evidence that he was 20:16.900 --> 20:20.140 telling people like Francis Collins, read this and destroy it. 20:20.140 --> 20:21.480 Well, you can't do that. 20:21.580 --> 20:24.760 The executive branch, when they communicate, they're required to keep their 20:24.760 --> 20:27.760 communications and they're required to do it on government devices. 20:28.340 --> 20:31.580 So we have this evidence and I've summarized it again in a criminal referral 20:32.960 --> 20:35.860 to Trump's attorney general and I still haven't gotten action. 20:36.380 --> 20:37.980 But there's a couple of reasons we should do it. 20:38.060 --> 20:40.160 One, that he shouldn't get away with lying. 20:40.480 --> 20:41.760 He shouldn't get away with destroying records. 20:42.160 --> 20:43.960 But two, we should check the pardon. 20:44.380 --> 20:49.500 Is an auto pen pardon valid and is a pardon, a retrospective pardon back 20:49.500 --> 20:51.680 10 years that doesn't mention a crime. 20:52.240 --> 20:56.000 Can you can you give people a pardon for everything they did in 10 year period? 20:56.200 --> 20:58.840 I can't imagine and I think the court might narrow that. 20:59.300 --> 21:02.760 But it doesn't happen unless the the Trump Justice Department will do something. 21:03.660 --> 21:06.900 And I've been sending them referrals and I can't get them to do anything. 21:07.600 --> 21:08.980 I can't guarantee they'll win. 21:09.160 --> 21:12.640 They might lose, but they ought to go to court, take this, take it to court. 21:13.960 --> 21:16.740 You know, it's interesting, too, because just right in the back of what we 21:16.740 --> 21:20.660 said, one of the main things that woke Rand Paul up was he had an infection very 21:20.660 --> 21:25.020 early on and when they kept trying to force vaccinate him in order to go into 21:25.880 --> 21:31.440 Congress and, you know, and be on the floor, he said, I have had the illness. 21:31.680 --> 21:32.660 I have immunity. 21:32.820 --> 21:35.680 I'm not against the vaccine, but I don't personally need it. 21:35.860 --> 21:38.900 And of course, he's been on the front row of, you know, 21:39.000 --> 21:42.060 proving that Fauci lied under oath on gain of function. 21:42.260 --> 21:42.880 We now know it. 21:42.920 --> 21:46.360 He is now talking about these emails where we see saying destroy 21:46.360 --> 21:50.000 this afterwards. I mean, this is a this is a criminal that was in our government. 21:50.240 --> 21:51.560 And it's a really good question. 21:51.660 --> 21:55.540 We're going to live in a world where the president just says, I blanket, you know, 21:56.360 --> 22:00.340 protect from any liability, anyone that worked in my administration from, 22:00.340 --> 22:04.000 you know, during it before, after, you know, in the years to come. 22:04.060 --> 22:07.740 You can do whatever you want because you're never going to go to court. 22:07.940 --> 22:09.560 It just doesn't make sense. 22:10.240 --> 22:12.080 And I think that we should be challenging. 22:12.260 --> 22:15.540 And you would think that of all the presidents of all times, 22:15.540 --> 22:20.080 President Trump would be, you know, chomping at the bit to, you know, 22:20.480 --> 22:22.240 prosecute this and see what we know. 22:22.520 --> 22:25.020 It's it's it's curious why we're not. 22:25.620 --> 22:29.420 Yeah. And this is a topic we've been tracking for for some time now with the 22:29.420 --> 22:31.940 new administration in there. Also a new Department of Justice. 22:32.200 --> 22:35.240 They reshuffled the deck out a lot of those levels at Department of Justice. 22:35.740 --> 22:37.780 We've been watching. We've been paying attention. 22:38.120 --> 22:42.020 And this is a conversation for the make America healthy again. 22:42.580 --> 22:44.400 People because they've been watching too. 22:44.500 --> 22:45.840 And I hear it everywhere I go. 22:46.240 --> 22:49.260 So let's go into this topic, this investigation. 22:49.620 --> 22:51.660 And I don't know if I know the answer to it, 22:51.680 --> 22:54.460 but I'm going to try to put some puzzle pieces together and hopefully we can 22:54.460 --> 22:55.660 build on this. All right. 22:55.660 --> 22:59.640 So the Department of Justice is now headed by the Attorney General Pam Bondi. 22:59.980 --> 23:04.060 Pam Bondi in her Office of Government Ethics Public Financial Disclosure 23:04.060 --> 23:07.720 Report, which everyone had, you know, if you're going into office, 23:07.880 --> 23:09.460 you have to put it, you have to fill this out. 23:09.580 --> 23:10.340 Kennedy had to fill it out. 23:10.340 --> 23:11.920 Everyone has to fill it out, take a government position. 23:12.600 --> 23:16.480 In there, on line seven, she worked for a law firm there. 23:16.640 --> 23:20.140 She actually was contracted by a law firm, Pansa, Mara and Maynard, 23:20.460 --> 23:21.880 and they represented Pfizer. 23:22.800 --> 23:26.800 So and she was awarded money for that or she she made money for that. 23:26.920 --> 23:28.040 Over five thousand dollars. 23:28.240 --> 23:30.320 That was compensation exceeding over five thousand dollars. 23:30.400 --> 23:32.880 I believe it was two hundred thousand dollars for that year. 23:33.340 --> 23:37.360 So that's just a data point we're going to we're going to keep on 23:37.360 --> 23:41.780 because you hear Rand Paul there saying I submitted this criminal referral 23:41.780 --> 23:43.260 to the Biden Justice Department. 23:43.460 --> 23:46.640 OK, well, kind of a different way they did things back then. 23:47.160 --> 23:48.680 Yeah, during the civil rights abusing 23:48.680 --> 23:53.440 Covid times and lack of informed consent and and so on and so forth. 23:53.640 --> 23:56.660 But he said I submitted to the Trump Justice Department headed by 23:56.660 --> 23:59.060 Pam Bondi and has her nothing yet. 23:59.240 --> 24:00.220 So what's going on there? 24:00.460 --> 24:02.700 Well, if that was just a one off thing, OK, 24:03.380 --> 24:06.060 maybe there's a lot going on, which there probably is the Department 24:06.060 --> 24:10.660 of Justice is a massive organization with a lot of sub organizations under it 24:10.660 --> 24:14.220 and sub offices, a lot going on, not making excuses here. 24:14.500 --> 24:20.360 But then we see these these ducks start to line up in a row of questions. 24:20.620 --> 24:21.600 And so I'm going to put those out here. 24:21.780 --> 24:24.880 So we have in twenty twenty four September twenty twenty four, 24:24.940 --> 24:28.200 federal court rules against EPA and lawsuit over fluoride and water. 24:28.320 --> 24:33.640 This was a huge maha hot button topic is water fluoridation in the United States. 24:33.640 --> 24:36.540 Remember, we had studies came out that showed a lower IQ in children. 24:37.100 --> 24:42.380 So this was a citizen's petition that went to court that they lost the EPA loss. 24:42.660 --> 24:44.040 The court said you have to go back. 24:44.400 --> 24:48.540 You have to basically reformulate either the regulatory actions or you have 24:48.540 --> 24:51.500 to come out and find a way a path out of the current water 24:51.500 --> 24:54.240 fluoridation paradigm we're in right now out of nowhere. 24:54.500 --> 24:58.260 We have the Trump Justice Department come in, makes this headline. 24:58.380 --> 25:01.880 Trump administration fights historic fluoride ruling. 25:01.880 --> 25:03.820 So we go to Michael Conant. 25:03.920 --> 25:07.940 He's the lead attorney that is putting forth this legal action against the EPA. 25:08.300 --> 25:12.080 He saw saw this all the way through and he puts out this on X after several 25:12.080 --> 25:15.220 extensions of Trump administration has decided to appeal the federal court 25:15.220 --> 25:18.720 decision ordering EPA to address the risk posed by water fluoridation. 25:19.200 --> 25:22.120 He goes on to say rather than use the court's decision as an opportunity 25:22.120 --> 25:25.560 to finally end water fluoridation, as most of Europe has already done, 25:25.700 --> 25:29.080 the EPA will spend its time legally challenging the court's order. 25:29.620 --> 25:33.780 Conant goes on to say the decision to appeal the court's order was not made by 25:33.780 --> 25:35.400 the HHS or Secretary Kennedy. 25:35.640 --> 25:38.800 It was made by the Solicitor General of the Department of Justice who reports 25:38.800 --> 25:43.100 the Pambani and the White House goes on to say Kennedy has been clear with this part here. 25:44.180 --> 25:45.580 So what's going on there? 25:45.780 --> 25:47.220 Why are they stepping in front of this? 25:47.340 --> 25:50.560 This seemed like this seemed like a slow pitched softball home run. 25:50.780 --> 25:52.060 Get this water fluoridation out. 25:52.180 --> 25:52.940 It's been going on for a while. 25:53.080 --> 25:54.120 This science is adding up. 25:54.180 --> 25:55.800 We have a court ruling, a court win. 25:55.800 --> 26:00.220 All EPA has to do is go back and make the changes the court ordered. 26:00.480 --> 26:03.560 But then we have this story we've been reporting on for a couple of weeks now. 26:03.740 --> 26:09.260 Trump administration sides with Bear in seeking Supreme Court ruling in roundup 26:09.260 --> 26:14.780 fight, remember Bear is losing and has been for almost a decade in court in states 26:14.780 --> 26:20.760 losing cancer cases, showing that glyphosate, their roundup product causes 26:20.760 --> 26:25.360 cancer to the tune of billions and their stock price is plummeted. 26:25.360 --> 26:28.220 They're trying to stop the bleeding in one last final appeal. 26:28.280 --> 26:32.000 They're appealing to the Supreme Court, saying, please take this up. 26:32.060 --> 26:33.040 We need to stop this. 26:33.460 --> 26:35.460 And the Trump administration steps in. 26:35.600 --> 26:39.840 In fact, the Solicitor General who reports to Pambandi steps in and says, 26:39.980 --> 26:41.080 you should take up this appeal. 26:41.240 --> 26:42.860 Well, this is kind of the breaking news here. 26:43.080 --> 26:47.040 Reuters puts out US Supreme Court to hear Bear's bid to curb roundup cases. 26:47.380 --> 26:47.940 They're going to hear this. 26:48.500 --> 26:52.300 There is no date set hearing perhaps this summer, sometime around July. 26:52.800 --> 26:54.540 We're going to have this Supreme Court hearing. 26:55.540 --> 26:57.700 So again, you have the Solicitor General. 26:58.060 --> 27:02.280 So with the fluoride case, with this case, you go in and you see who signs 27:02.280 --> 27:05.980 on the signs, these appeals from the Department of Justice. 27:06.220 --> 27:09.760 And I go to the Department of Justice site map of all of the offices, 27:10.040 --> 27:12.240 all of the sub offices within here. 27:12.340 --> 27:15.260 And a lot of it is coming out of the Department of Justice environment 27:15.260 --> 27:16.680 and natural resources division. 27:17.040 --> 27:20.100 That's who a lot of these people who are signing these appeals 27:20.100 --> 27:22.060 are originating from. 27:22.280 --> 27:26.320 Of course, the Solicitor General, it is his job as John Sauer. 27:26.800 --> 27:28.780 His job is to put these forward. 27:28.860 --> 27:30.220 He's kind of the point man on this. 27:30.460 --> 27:34.360 And he's his job as a Solicitor General is to step in on these legal arguments. 27:34.660 --> 27:36.660 So you're going to see his name on those. 27:36.820 --> 27:39.140 But it's really this environment and natural resources division. 27:39.360 --> 27:42.020 So the question is, which I don't know if we know the answer to yet, 27:42.140 --> 27:47.120 is this Pambandi wielding authoritarian power to kill all these massive 27:47.120 --> 27:49.840 of Maha initiatives and not to prosecute Fauci? 27:50.120 --> 27:52.600 Or is are there other organizations? 27:53.120 --> 27:54.220 Are there stay behind networks? 27:54.560 --> 27:59.240 Are there small cut out organizations within the within the Department of 27:59.240 --> 28:04.240 Justice that are running this outside of the view of the entire department 28:04.240 --> 28:07.880 and also outside of the view of the administration and which way the current 28:07.880 --> 28:11.340 wind blows and what the people elected Trump and Kennedy to get done? 28:11.660 --> 28:13.820 That is the question that we leave our viewers with. 28:13.880 --> 28:16.080 But something is not right in the Department of Justice. 28:16.080 --> 28:18.940 At least when it comes to the Maha agenda, 28:19.160 --> 28:22.560 because these are massive pillars that are that are not being. 28:22.800 --> 28:25.760 I mean, these should be easily pushed away and they're not. 28:25.940 --> 28:30.040 They're being they're being trampled on and they're being brought back with fury. 28:30.300 --> 28:31.660 They're going out of their way. 28:31.860 --> 28:33.800 I mean, it'd be one thing to just look the other way, 28:33.840 --> 28:38.460 but to go out of your way and block initiatives that are moving forward or 28:38.460 --> 28:42.520 force Supreme Court to look at something that they have no interest in looking at. 28:42.520 --> 28:45.980 And it seems to be well decided in courts that this stuff is causing 28:45.980 --> 28:48.700 cancer when we're talking about glyphosate and Roundup. 28:48.760 --> 28:50.260 We know it's causing cancer. 28:50.380 --> 28:51.340 It's losing cases. 28:51.660 --> 28:53.040 Yeah, what was it you just reported? 28:53.200 --> 28:57.700 Was the Congress took out of the latest bill sort of the liability 28:57.700 --> 29:02.220 protection that are even our government is backed away from getting involved here. 29:02.400 --> 29:06.060 But yet the Trump administration, it's the heart of Maha, 29:06.600 --> 29:10.740 make America healthy again, appears to be just lowering the bar to make 29:10.740 --> 29:15.680 America healthier, you know, as long as it doesn't take away toxic chemicals 29:15.680 --> 29:19.760 on our food, toxic chemicals in our water, we'll do the best we can. 29:19.900 --> 29:23.540 I'm sure I mean, what we see is the complications of the work that Bobby has 29:23.540 --> 29:27.080 to do in there because you couldn't have someone more outspoken on Florida. 29:27.540 --> 29:32.220 Fluoride, you know, both during, you know, his life before public office, 29:32.280 --> 29:33.700 but even in public office. 29:33.800 --> 29:36.660 And of course, glyphosate is a huge part of the work he's done too. 29:36.660 --> 29:42.000 So it's it's disturbing when we're getting, you know, two different stories, 29:42.280 --> 29:46.080 you know, conflicting with each other right inside of our own government system. 29:46.880 --> 29:47.320 Absolutely. 29:47.760 --> 29:51.100 And now I want to get into some science here as the last segment. 29:51.560 --> 29:53.720 And this is a story we've been tracking for a while. 29:53.840 --> 29:57.040 We're going to continue to build upon this because this is a flashing red light. 29:57.140 --> 30:01.920 The science community, also HHS in general, they're going to have to step up here. 30:02.300 --> 30:03.700 This is the headline of the Daily Mail. 30:03.700 --> 30:05.360 Dementia time bomb warning. 30:05.560 --> 30:09.100 A scientist find Alzheimer's proteins in long COVID patients blood. 30:09.640 --> 30:12.820 You go into this article, it says US researchers analyzing blood samples 30:12.820 --> 30:17.060 for more than 225 long COVID patients found significantly increased levels of tau, 30:17.360 --> 30:20.700 a protein closely linked to Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia. 30:21.160 --> 30:25.560 Abnormal clumps of tau can form tangles inside the brains, nerve cells 30:25.560 --> 30:28.660 disrupting communication and driving the memory loss and cognitive decline 30:28.660 --> 30:31.620 seen in the disease and the leading cause of dementia. 30:32.020 --> 30:35.620 So we go in this study and, you know, just to caveat, the researchers went out 30:35.620 --> 30:39.940 of their way not to write down which people were vaccinated or unvaccinated. 30:40.580 --> 30:43.080 So just throw that out there, regardless of the way. 30:43.480 --> 30:45.380 One of the reasons I think they vaccinated everybody, 30:45.480 --> 30:49.360 they wanted to make sure there was no control group for studies exactly like this. 30:49.620 --> 30:53.260 If everyone's been vaccinated, then long COVID is a natural function. 30:53.540 --> 30:56.520 If we can say, look, the people that didn't get the vaccine aren't suffering 30:56.520 --> 30:59.240 long COVID, the same numbers that those are vaccinated. 30:59.240 --> 31:01.840 And there is some ability to do the science. 31:02.020 --> 31:06.300 They are avoiding it, but I think the blanket vaccination was we don't want 31:06.300 --> 31:10.540 a control group that can make our decision to force this product out there. 31:10.640 --> 31:13.020 Look bad. So here we are. 31:13.120 --> 31:15.380 And, you know, you watch all these really, 31:16.380 --> 31:19.940 you know, inconclusive studies in many ways. 31:20.020 --> 31:22.400 If you're not going to get into the details, what are we talking about? 31:22.840 --> 31:25.160 Does it happen happen after vaccination or just infection? 31:25.920 --> 31:26.840 Right. Right. 31:26.840 --> 31:30.220 And remember, they actually vaccinated the control group in the original vaccine 31:30.220 --> 31:33.120 trials for COVID, so exactly that as a caveat as well. 31:33.920 --> 31:35.180 Now, let's look at the study here. 31:35.440 --> 31:39.580 So we look at the it's basically they're using blood based biomarkers 31:39.580 --> 31:44.100 that detect Alzheimer's disease and the pathology of the Alzheimer's disease. 31:44.100 --> 31:46.940 This build up of these abnormal tau proteins and they find this. 31:47.080 --> 31:47.620 This is what they write. 31:47.840 --> 31:52.820 Longitudinal analysis revealed plasma tau one eight one levels increased by 31:52.820 --> 31:58.760 59.3 percent following COVID-19 onset in participants who developed N-PASC. 31:58.840 --> 32:01.660 This is basically neurological long COVID. 32:02.120 --> 32:06.780 And it says that were worst amongst participants reporting central nervous 32:06.780 --> 32:10.600 system symptoms persisting greater than or equal to 1.5 years. 32:10.780 --> 32:14.400 So people that had long COVID for basically 1.5 years or longer, 32:14.400 --> 32:20.380 they found that 59.3 percent increase in these tau, these tangled fiber 32:20.380 --> 32:24.740 proteins, these which are kind of a hallmark of Alzheimer's disease. 32:25.240 --> 32:27.760 So this isn't the first time we heard this. 32:27.960 --> 32:29.980 We've been reporting on this for years. 32:30.600 --> 32:31.180 Take a look. 32:32.100 --> 32:35.040 We've been hearing about the microclots, all the clotting. 32:35.380 --> 32:36.640 Look what this article says. 32:36.940 --> 32:41.760 In contrast, when sprite protein is added to platelet poor, 32:42.340 --> 32:48.040 what's the third P plasma with and without Rombin, a major increase in 32:48.040 --> 32:51.860 dense anomalous clotted deposits with an amyloid nature. 32:52.300 --> 32:55.900 There's that word again, amyloid, which is that the heart of Alzheimer's 32:55.900 --> 32:59.340 were noted, referred to as amyloid deposits. 32:59.860 --> 33:01.660 So this is what they showed it. 33:01.760 --> 33:04.560 This is fascinating because we get a visual in these platelets. 33:04.700 --> 33:06.120 You see the blood platelets there. 33:06.380 --> 33:08.880 They put them in contact with spike protein. 33:09.200 --> 33:14.060 And by G, that is what those platelets turn into this tangled mess 33:14.060 --> 33:17.720 of amyloid proteins all binding together. 33:18.480 --> 33:20.000 We were looking at clotting. 33:20.080 --> 33:24.880 That is also at the heart of Alzheimer's and neurodegenerative disorders. 33:25.280 --> 33:28.500 So now we know the spike protein can cause this. 33:28.900 --> 33:33.420 Multiple, multiple studies being done all over the world on this. 33:33.580 --> 33:37.800 The article that has everyone talking right now just came out. 33:37.960 --> 33:38.700 Here is the headline. 33:39.340 --> 33:43.200 A potential association between COVID-19 vaccination 33:43.200 --> 33:46.840 and the development of Alzheimer's disease. 33:47.380 --> 33:51.840 The mRNA vaccine group exhibited a significantly higher incidence 33:51.840 --> 33:55.980 of Alzheimer's disease 1.225. 33:56.220 --> 33:59.000 That means an increase above one being standard. 33:59.360 --> 34:04.400 So a 22.5 percent increase in Alzheimer's disease amongst the vaccinated. 34:04.580 --> 34:11.140 It went on to those that had mild cognitive impairment, MCI 2.377. 34:11.140 --> 34:19.860 And that's a 137 percent increase in mild cognitive impairment caused by the covid vaccine. 34:22.860 --> 34:25.320 So, you know, just we're always on it first, Jeffrey. 34:25.520 --> 34:27.540 I mean, it's really great to be able to do this, right? 34:27.680 --> 34:31.440 I mean, as soon as there's an article, we have an international body of science. 34:31.580 --> 34:33.880 I just want to point out, this is how this works, Jeffrey. 34:33.980 --> 34:38.940 It's not just you and I, we have teams and people around the world looking at this, 34:38.940 --> 34:42.280 you know, triggering us and saying, you'll be the first ones to talk about this. 34:42.500 --> 34:44.280 Here's this new study that just broke. 34:44.420 --> 34:45.260 We're bringing it to you. 34:45.360 --> 34:48.740 So when you're tracking, when you're with the high wire, you were getting this 34:48.740 --> 34:51.960 information, not just this week when this new study came out. 34:52.080 --> 34:56.100 But the very first time, you know, the original studies come out, we're on it. 34:56.360 --> 34:59.100 You know, that is, you know, and look, it may prove to be wrong, 34:59.120 --> 35:01.800 but you now know there's a signal there's something looking at. 35:02.000 --> 35:05.780 But then when you start seeing, oh, my God, more and more studies are finding 35:05.780 --> 35:09.440 the same thing that the high wire reported, you know, nearly two years ago, 35:10.580 --> 35:13.900 just makes you think there's one show you should probably watching, you know, 35:13.940 --> 35:14.880 when it comes to your health. 35:15.800 --> 35:19.720 And, you know, during COVID and beyond, we have been one of the outlets that 35:19.720 --> 35:20.800 leads the science. 35:21.020 --> 35:23.800 So we were one of the first people to tell you that they didn't test a shot 35:23.800 --> 35:26.220 COVID shot to stop transmission of the disease. 35:26.420 --> 35:30.100 You wouldn't know that we were the first people to one of the first 35:30.100 --> 35:33.620 people to really raise the alarm and show you the science behind the 35:33.620 --> 35:36.800 Myocarditis signal that that probably helped a lot of people. 35:37.040 --> 35:38.940 And now we've been raising the flag here. 35:39.060 --> 35:39.860 We're raising it real high. 35:40.040 --> 35:42.760 And this is this is kind of a warning to the science community. 35:43.400 --> 35:45.240 They need to step up here and look at this. 35:45.340 --> 35:47.380 And let's go into that study at that time that was a breaking study 35:47.380 --> 35:52.180 out of Korea, Korean study, looking at myocognitive impairment 35:52.180 --> 35:53.140 and Alzheimer's disease. 35:53.280 --> 35:56.540 And they did test vaccinated versus unvaccinated with mRNA. 35:56.920 --> 35:59.660 And this is the chart from that study that you were reporting on at that time. 35:59.960 --> 36:04.100 And you can see the cognitive impairment there in the red. 36:04.300 --> 36:07.620 That's mRNA vaccine and the Alzheimer's disease on the right. 36:07.880 --> 36:08.960 That's mRNA vaccine. 36:09.160 --> 36:12.760 You can see it's it's kicking off these diseases, these 36:12.760 --> 36:16.140 neurodevelopmental diseases and people quicker than they actually 36:16.140 --> 36:17.600 should be happening. 36:18.300 --> 36:21.380 So on this investigation, I want to add some data points. 36:21.520 --> 36:23.220 So remember Operation Lockstep. 36:23.380 --> 36:27.540 This was just a coincidental exercise that they did before COVID of a 36:27.540 --> 36:30.000 respiratory disease that came out of China. 36:30.480 --> 36:31.080 How did they know? 36:31.320 --> 36:34.060 Well, Johns Hopkins also did another exercise. 36:34.320 --> 36:35.680 They released this in 2020. 36:36.420 --> 36:38.560 It was reportedly in the works. 36:38.780 --> 36:43.160 It was planned around 2017, 2018, but this actual exercise released in 2020. 36:43.740 --> 36:45.220 This was the spars pandemic. 36:45.660 --> 36:49.720 And in their fictional time window, they chose 2025 to 2028. 36:50.220 --> 36:51.860 So what do they do? 36:52.080 --> 36:55.760 Well, this is what they chose in this fictional story that they were kind 36:55.760 --> 37:00.820 of wargaming and they said the CDC team confirmed that the three patients 37:00.820 --> 37:03.120 were in fact infected with a novel coronavirus. 37:03.480 --> 37:06.840 They chose that interesting, which was dubbed the St. Paul Acute 37:06.840 --> 37:11.680 Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus or spars CoV after the city were 37:11.680 --> 37:13.440 the first cluster of cases that had been identified. 37:13.560 --> 37:15.100 So it wasn't Wuhan, it was St. Paul. 37:15.340 --> 37:18.080 But they go on to say this, they created an experimental vaccine. 37:18.280 --> 37:18.880 They pushed it out. 37:19.120 --> 37:22.900 And it says this nearing the end of 2027 in their exercise, reports 37:22.900 --> 37:25.400 of new neurological symptoms began to emerge after showing 37:25.400 --> 37:27.560 no adverse side effects for nearly a year. 37:27.700 --> 37:30.460 Several vaccine recipients slowly began to experience symptoms 37:30.460 --> 37:33.380 such as blurry vision, headaches and numbness in their extremities. 37:34.400 --> 37:37.280 So another data point there, how did they know? 37:37.840 --> 37:39.000 Why do they know that? 37:39.120 --> 37:44.460 Because now we're getting mainstream acceptance, really, of the 37:45.480 --> 37:50.620 misfolding and the amyloid formation of these proteins that has to do with COVID. 37:51.040 --> 37:53.840 And so just a quick background on the science of that. 37:53.840 --> 37:57.100 That's the current theory of Alzheimer's. 37:57.140 --> 38:00.720 You get these proteins, they begin misfolding, they attract other proteins 38:01.400 --> 38:05.240 that seed this idea for these proteins, that attracts the other ones to start 38:05.240 --> 38:09.620 misfolding, they form these amyloid formations like you showed in that 38:09.620 --> 38:13.400 picture on that flashback, these thick amyloid formation of proteins. 38:13.600 --> 38:15.800 And this kicks off kind of this neurodegenerative diseases, 38:15.800 --> 38:19.600 whether it's crutch fully Yakup disease or Alzheimer's or just this. 38:19.720 --> 38:22.960 These are all forms, I mean, prion disease, right? 38:22.960 --> 38:27.700 I mean, this is this misfolding is it's really mad cow disease, right? 38:27.800 --> 38:30.740 I mean, this is, you know, it's what makes cows go crazy. 38:30.960 --> 38:34.120 It's what we see in cannibals when cannibals would eat each other. 38:34.180 --> 38:38.220 When they start like losing and once your protein start misfolding, 38:38.220 --> 38:40.900 it's like dominoes, you can't stop it right now. 38:40.980 --> 38:42.100 There's no cure for this. 38:42.200 --> 38:42.620 Is that right? 38:43.080 --> 38:47.440 My understanding is we have not figured out how to stop prion disease or any 38:47.440 --> 38:48.100 form of it. 38:48.960 --> 38:49.400 Right. 38:49.400 --> 38:54.800 And the human prion protein and the amyloid beta peptide, 38:55.020 --> 38:57.580 they're basically omnipresent in the human brain, 38:57.740 --> 39:02.980 but something kicks off a folding process, whether it's genetics or environmental 39:02.980 --> 39:06.540 factors. And right now we're talking about the spike protein, 39:06.800 --> 39:08.160 the COVID virus itself. 39:08.640 --> 39:10.840 And so let's go into this study here. 39:10.940 --> 39:13.740 This was a study that wasn't really shown too much at the time. 39:14.040 --> 39:17.140 It was from Swedish researchers and they did a tabletop exercise. 39:17.140 --> 39:21.640 So basically in Petri dishes and test tubes, and they found this, 39:21.700 --> 39:25.780 this is the title of their study, SARS-CoV-2 spike amyloid fibrils specifically 39:25.780 --> 39:30.580 and selectively accelerates amyloid fibril formation of human prion protein 39:30.580 --> 39:33.000 and the amyloid beta peptide. 39:33.400 --> 39:39.020 So they say this, we here provide evidence of significant spike amyloid 39:39.020 --> 39:40.620 fibril seeded acceleration. 39:40.980 --> 39:45.340 So the spike amyloid fibrils are seeding this acceleration in the human 39:45.340 --> 39:49.940 brain of amyloid formation of Crutsfield Yacob disease associated human 39:49.940 --> 39:52.920 prion protein using an in vitro conversion assay. 39:53.240 --> 39:55.960 So that's just a method they use to study the structural 39:56.740 --> 40:00.920 transformation from the prion protein into this pathogenic form of it. 40:01.300 --> 40:02.820 But here's the kicker. 40:03.120 --> 40:06.900 It goes on to say this, by seeding the human prion protein conversion assay 40:06.900 --> 40:10.120 with other in vitro generated disease associated amyloid fibrils, 40:10.380 --> 40:13.700 we demonstrate that this is not a general effect, 40:14.040 --> 40:17.920 but a specific feature of spike amyloid fibrils. 40:18.280 --> 40:21.620 We also showed that the amyloid fibril formation of Alzheimer's disease 40:21.620 --> 40:26.480 associated amyloid beta 142 was accelerated by spike amyloid fibril seeds. 40:26.760 --> 40:30.580 So they're saying it's isn't just an accidental effect downstream, 40:31.060 --> 40:33.580 but they're suggesting this is actually a feature. 40:33.720 --> 40:36.700 This is a main feature of the spike amyloid fibril. 40:37.180 --> 40:39.900 That's a massive statement for researchers to make. 40:40.240 --> 40:43.680 And this is where, I mean, 40:43.680 --> 40:46.260 should start our government should start this. 40:46.360 --> 40:48.020 HHS should pick this up immediately. 40:48.280 --> 40:50.060 This is a massive red flag. 40:50.300 --> 40:52.300 And as you've pointed out here, 40:52.400 --> 40:58.240 this is three studies in now from different parts of the world all looking into this. 40:58.320 --> 41:01.660 And I just keep thinking, meanwhile, of the West Coast contingent, 41:01.780 --> 41:06.100 the East Coast contingent, there's going to continue injecting this spike 41:06.100 --> 41:10.340 protein by choice into their citizens. 41:10.840 --> 41:14.800 It would be amazing to me if there's not a mass evacuation out of those states 41:14.800 --> 41:18.840 of people just saying, why the hell are we doing something to the rest of the nation? 41:18.960 --> 41:24.080 Frankly, most of the world now recognizes is is not just futile, but dangerous. 41:24.340 --> 41:25.460 It doesn't stop transmission. 41:25.660 --> 41:28.600 People are getting sick anyway, and you're still putting this out there. 41:28.700 --> 41:31.080 And then there's concerns for those of us that don't go near it. 41:31.200 --> 41:33.040 Is it still shedding on us? 41:33.120 --> 41:35.740 These, you know, I mean, this should have gone away. 41:35.900 --> 41:37.640 We should have heard immunity right now, 41:37.640 --> 41:40.960 but I think it's being destroyed by the vaccine program. 41:41.880 --> 41:45.620 We're going to continue to just shout really loud against Gavin Newsom 41:45.620 --> 41:48.440 and all these leaders that are trying to break free of the science, 41:48.680 --> 41:53.540 the actual science that is not just coming out of the CDC or HHS, 41:53.820 --> 41:55.700 but coming from around the world. 41:56.040 --> 41:59.520 Jeffrey, it's so important right now because, look, 42:00.280 --> 42:04.600 if every child that is injured matters, everyone matters. 42:04.600 --> 42:09.740 We cannot just let California go down because they have a dictator there 42:09.740 --> 42:14.640 that has no common sense or Washington or Vancouver for that matter. 42:14.820 --> 42:18.100 In Canada, you know, children are in harm's way. 42:18.160 --> 42:20.760 And it's why we are going to continue to talk about this. 42:20.860 --> 42:25.240 And this vaccine is still on the market, still out there, still poisoning people. 42:25.480 --> 42:28.700 So I really appreciate this deep dive today, Jeffrey. 42:29.300 --> 42:33.580 Very, very important information and also great to see that many of the seeds 42:33.580 --> 42:37.640 we've planted of truth are turning out to be really, you know, 42:37.680 --> 42:41.280 stable oak trees in the annals of science. 42:41.660 --> 42:43.840 Great work. All right. 42:44.100 --> 42:45.420 Thank you. 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feels like to be even just a part time 51:29.820 --> 51:32.820 activist. It's really an incredible experience. 51:32.920 --> 51:37.360 I want to thank everybody that sponsors this show, sponsors our legal work, 51:37.680 --> 51:41.120 everybody, people up in Canada where we can't even really work directly for you. 51:41.280 --> 51:43.920 But we get to broadcast to show all over Canada. 51:44.400 --> 51:47.780 It also gives us the ability to go up and meet with great folks like I did 51:47.780 --> 51:49.080 just over the weekend. 51:49.940 --> 51:54.020 I'm so proud of the work we've done so far, but it is not enough. 51:54.160 --> 51:55.020 There is more to do. 51:55.240 --> 51:59.300 We've got to start pouring cement around our accomplishments here 51:59.300 --> 52:01.280 so they can never take them away. 52:02.180 --> 52:06.380 Well, what happens if you've had cement poured around the foundational 52:06.380 --> 52:09.660 principles of science and medicine by medical school? 52:10.140 --> 52:13.200 But slowly, but surely you start realizing it's eroding. 52:13.340 --> 52:15.660 Maybe you've been pulled out of sledgehammer and start breaking 52:15.660 --> 52:20.240 that cement from around your own ankles when everyone else is telling you, 52:20.520 --> 52:25.380 don't do it. Well, that's my next guest who is bravely moving outside 52:25.380 --> 52:30.520 of the conventional wisdom that he was drenched in in medical school 52:30.520 --> 52:37.380 and has been making a journey into the deep, dark abyss of scientific 52:37.380 --> 52:39.940 curiosity, of vaccine hesitancy. 52:40.180 --> 52:42.040 I don't know. We'll see what he calls it. 52:42.460 --> 52:44.660 This is Joel Gader Warsh. 52:45.260 --> 52:47.040 Dr. Joel Gader Warsh. 52:47.280 --> 52:49.060 Dr. Joel Gader Warsh. 52:49.220 --> 52:50.900 Dr. Joel Gader Warsh. 52:51.200 --> 52:55.000 He's a board certified pediatrician with a master's in epidemiology. 52:55.000 --> 52:57.640 He's one of the world's leading researchers and doctors. 52:57.880 --> 53:00.300 He's written books on parenting, books on vaccination. 53:00.840 --> 53:05.620 And he is a much needed voice of reason in today's polarized health debate. 53:07.120 --> 53:10.480 Unfortunately, vaccines have been one of the most controversial topics to the point 53:10.480 --> 53:14.260 where the word was basically censored off the internet, certainly on social media. 53:14.660 --> 53:17.980 And other than if you said safe and effective, you couldn't really say 53:17.980 --> 53:19.600 anything else. You can't ask any questions. 53:19.960 --> 53:22.660 I don't know about you guys, but I don't ever need to hear the phrase 53:22.660 --> 53:24.040 safe and effective ever again. 53:24.040 --> 53:29.680 When you go through training, what you are taught isn't really about safety, right? 53:29.740 --> 53:32.060 You really learn about, OK, here are the diseases. 53:32.580 --> 53:34.860 Here are the vaccines. Here's the schedule. 53:35.340 --> 53:37.580 So go do it. A vaccine doesn't have zero risk. 53:37.920 --> 53:39.760 And so I think it's reasonable to say, OK, 53:39.820 --> 53:41.420 but what are the risks from this vaccine? 53:41.600 --> 53:42.760 Does it lead to anything later? 53:42.980 --> 53:44.880 Do I have to do it now? Can I do it later? 53:45.040 --> 53:46.960 And that's a very fair question. 53:47.140 --> 53:50.500 Nothing has ever shocked me more in my life than when you actually go through 53:50.500 --> 53:52.620 the vaccine research when it comes to autism. 53:52.620 --> 53:57.520 I was always taught the sciences that things have been debunked. 53:57.600 --> 54:00.340 You hear it so confidently discussed. 54:00.680 --> 54:04.940 It's really frustrating as a human being and as a pediatrician to see this 54:04.940 --> 54:08.480 division and to see people getting so angry at each other and fighting 54:09.000 --> 54:11.460 and not discussing and not putting the kids first. 54:11.740 --> 54:14.460 I don't feel like parents feel like they're being heard and they don't 54:14.460 --> 54:16.580 feel like their safety concerns are being listened to. 54:16.840 --> 54:20.060 And it feels like it's about money and not about health. 54:20.240 --> 54:21.080 And that needs to change. 54:21.080 --> 54:21.760 Facts. 54:22.520 --> 54:27.160 Well, he's the author of a brand new book between a shot in a hard place. 54:27.320 --> 54:32.080 He's all over social media, one of the fastest rising stars in the conversation 54:32.080 --> 54:36.620 around vaccines, hesitancy, awareness, whatever you want to call it. 54:36.760 --> 54:40.280 It's my honor and pleasure to be joined right now by Dr. Joel Gator Warsh. 54:40.800 --> 54:41.560 Thank you for having me here. 54:41.660 --> 54:42.920 It's great having you. 54:43.500 --> 54:47.160 I've been getting a kick out of watching your journey. 54:47.160 --> 54:51.680 And of course, we've met before and I've had you on a podcast before, 54:51.720 --> 54:52.880 but not on the high wire. 54:53.100 --> 54:55.480 So for this audience, 54:57.600 --> 55:03.020 you know, tell me about your sort of medical journey into this vaccine 55:03.020 --> 55:03.480 conversation. 55:04.480 --> 55:06.780 So for me, I did all the regular medical training. 55:06.900 --> 55:09.580 I actually grew up in Canada, so I guess it's appropriate that I'm on this 55:09.580 --> 55:14.060 episode since I'm in Canada to talk, but I did residency at Chilms Hospital 55:14.060 --> 55:17.100 at Los Angeles, so a great Western medical program. 55:17.480 --> 55:20.740 Didn't really think much about vaccines at that time. 55:21.100 --> 55:24.600 You know, we're trained about what the horrible diseases are, 55:25.060 --> 55:26.200 how great the vaccines are. 55:26.300 --> 55:27.560 Here's your schedule and go do it. 55:27.640 --> 55:29.620 And that's really all that I thought then. 55:29.820 --> 55:32.380 But I met my now wife during residency. 55:32.420 --> 55:33.720 She's very holistic minded. 55:34.180 --> 55:36.200 She opened up my eyes to a little bit of a different world. 55:36.300 --> 55:39.240 Started doing some training in integrative medicine and functional medicine. 55:40.180 --> 55:43.260 Everything you hear about it in medical training is how it's all 55:43.260 --> 55:44.100 woo woo and out there. 55:44.500 --> 55:47.240 I went to some functional medicine courses and you're there. 55:47.380 --> 55:48.720 And like, why aren't we taught this? 55:48.940 --> 55:50.640 There's nothing woo woo about nutrition. 55:50.820 --> 55:54.740 This is the biggest difference between sort of functional and, you know, 55:55.420 --> 55:56.420 allopathic or Western. 55:56.820 --> 56:00.160 It's just the way of thinking in allopathic medicine, where you're in 56:00.160 --> 56:02.860 training, everything is here are the symptoms, here's the pill. 56:02.980 --> 56:04.760 It's very pharmaceutical minded. 56:04.980 --> 56:06.780 You're not really thinking about root cause. 56:07.220 --> 56:09.160 You're not really thinking about, oh, you have a rash. 56:09.480 --> 56:10.880 Why might you have that rash? 56:10.880 --> 56:12.900 You're thinking about how do you treat that rash? 56:13.100 --> 56:13.700 What is that rash? 56:13.700 --> 56:15.220 So I think it's just very different. 56:15.480 --> 56:17.200 And as soon as you start learning that you're like, like, 56:17.200 --> 56:18.720 there's nothing crazy about this. 56:18.820 --> 56:20.100 Why aren't we thinking this way? 56:20.180 --> 56:21.240 Why wasn't I taught this? 56:21.660 --> 56:23.740 So I just got really interested in that, 56:24.400 --> 56:25.760 started practicing in that way. 56:26.040 --> 56:28.340 And very quickly, once you are 56:28.900 --> 56:31.640 in that world, you realize parents have a lot of questions about vaccines. 56:32.060 --> 56:33.980 And I realized very quickly, I knew almost 56:33.980 --> 56:35.580 nothing about vaccines and didn't have the answers. 56:35.580 --> 56:36.960 What year did you come in as a doctor? 56:37.140 --> 56:38.380 What year did you start your own practice? 56:39.300 --> 56:41.760 I've been in practice for a little over 10 years, 56:41.880 --> 56:43.000 about just a little over a decade. 56:43.260 --> 56:45.260 OK, so prior to COVID, you're at it? 56:45.420 --> 56:46.220 Oh, yeah, well prior to COVID. 56:46.360 --> 56:51.800 I finished training around 2013 and had my own office for about eight years. 56:52.260 --> 56:52.500 OK. 56:53.520 --> 56:55.780 So as you're starting to see patients, 56:55.840 --> 56:57.840 they start having better and better questions. 56:58.000 --> 56:59.540 And I didn't have the answers to those questions. 56:59.620 --> 57:00.840 So I had to start looking into it. 57:01.260 --> 57:02.900 And as you look into some of these questions, 57:03.000 --> 57:07.340 you start to realize that what you're taught or what we're not taught is 57:07.340 --> 57:09.020 really everything like I didn't know the answers. 57:09.200 --> 57:10.400 And so I started looking into it. 57:11.040 --> 57:13.440 The answer is very much surprised me. 57:14.460 --> 57:16.800 And the more I was discussing it in the office, 57:17.060 --> 57:19.020 the more I felt that I need to look into it. 57:19.180 --> 57:22.420 And certainly as I was developing an interest more in vaccines, 57:22.620 --> 57:24.580 that was around the time when there was so much censorship. 57:24.820 --> 57:26.340 I mean, certainly before COVID and during COVID, 57:26.360 --> 57:27.640 there was just so much censorship. 57:27.720 --> 57:33.720 It wasn't something I felt very comfortable talking about outside of the office. 57:33.900 --> 57:36.000 I mean, I was even on secretary back then. 57:36.000 --> 57:37.900 He was in Secretary Kennedy, but I was even on his podcast. 57:38.700 --> 57:40.940 And we talked about children's health, but not vaccines, 57:41.120 --> 57:43.100 because back then nobody really wanted to. 57:43.720 --> 57:45.420 Well, you were I mean, I'm just thinking about the time 57:45.420 --> 57:46.820 because you're in California, right? 57:47.040 --> 57:47.500 Los Angeles. 57:48.300 --> 57:51.480 And that's the same time I'm working on the Doctor's Television show. 57:51.960 --> 57:53.120 It's like 2013. 57:53.720 --> 57:56.680 But right around 15, 16, SB 277. 57:56.880 --> 58:02.820 I mean, you know, California became this powder keg for this conversation. 58:03.140 --> 58:04.920 It was, you know, SB 277. 58:04.920 --> 58:09.200 A law that's going to force vaccinate children in order to go to school. 58:09.580 --> 58:10.500 You're right there. 58:10.720 --> 58:14.680 I mean, just entered in and now it's just like, you know, protests, 58:14.900 --> 58:17.820 you know, thousands of people wrapped around the Capitol. 58:18.860 --> 58:19.620 What was that? 58:20.020 --> 58:22.800 I mean, what effect did that have on you as you're watching? 58:22.900 --> 58:24.820 Because it's one thing to just have questions in your office. 58:25.240 --> 58:28.860 But California was like, you know, on fire over this issue. 58:29.060 --> 58:33.860 It made it very difficult to be a doctor because you couldn't have these discussions. 58:34.060 --> 58:34.840 You couldn't talk about it. 58:34.840 --> 58:36.520 You don't have options for your patients. 58:36.900 --> 58:39.460 And the longer it went on, I mean, when a lot of that was starting, 58:39.500 --> 58:41.020 I was just very young in my career. 58:41.200 --> 58:46.480 But as things have moved along, I mean, we've really seen all of our options 58:46.480 --> 58:48.920 taken away. Like you really can't give an exemption in California anymore. 58:49.080 --> 58:53.320 There's really no way to do it unless somebody has a very severe reaction, 58:53.380 --> 58:56.440 basically dies. And even then, it's really hard to prove it. 58:56.620 --> 58:58.640 So the options were taken away. 58:58.740 --> 59:01.300 And again, that made me very frustrated because there are patients 59:01.300 --> 59:04.700 that legitimately should have exemptions that you feel like you should have 59:04.700 --> 59:08.080 exemptions and you shouldn't feel like you can't give this person an exemption 59:08.080 --> 59:10.440 or you might get your medical license taken away. 59:10.920 --> 59:12.000 And that is the way that it is. 59:12.160 --> 59:12.760 I mean, there's no question. 59:12.920 --> 59:14.800 You cannot give an exemption right now in California. 59:16.240 --> 59:20.360 And I still think that's unbelievably infuriating. 59:20.700 --> 59:23.100 And I have patients that come to my office that, you know, 59:23.120 --> 59:25.680 they swear by whatever the story was that happened to their young kid. 59:26.260 --> 59:29.980 And it's totally reasonable that they should at least be considered to have 59:29.980 --> 59:31.880 an exemption if the parent wants to do that. 59:32.000 --> 59:34.020 And you still can't do it. It goes through public health. 59:34.380 --> 59:38.020 They just shut most of them down and then you get investigated for for doing it. 59:38.880 --> 59:40.560 How do we have a system that's like that? 59:40.680 --> 59:43.840 There there has to be kids that need legitimate exemptions. 59:43.920 --> 59:45.740 There have to be kids that have reactions to vaccines. 59:46.160 --> 59:48.260 There's nothing controversial about that. 59:48.360 --> 59:51.880 You can debate what's related to vaccines, but you certainly can't debate 59:51.880 --> 59:55.920 that kids could have a seizure, could have a myocarditis, could have issues. 59:56.360 --> 59:58.520 And nobody wants to ever admit that. 59:58.520 --> 01:00:00.420 It's not a flax, it's an allergic reaction. 01:00:00.700 --> 01:00:01.620 I mean, just simple. 01:00:02.200 --> 01:00:04.820 There's no product, there's no food on this earth everyone can eat. 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.240 Yeah, I had a kid, a family that came to the office and 01:00:09.220 --> 01:00:13.140 their baby, it was around two months, got vaccines that same day, 01:00:13.220 --> 01:00:17.080 had a super heart fast rate over 200, went to the hospital. 01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:19.600 They weren't sure what was going on. 01:00:19.940 --> 01:00:23.020 Everything calmed down luckily and the parents were worried. 01:00:23.060 --> 01:00:24.080 Oh, was this a vaccine reaction? 01:00:24.180 --> 01:00:26.600 Everybody convinced them that it wasn't a vaccine reaction, 01:00:26.600 --> 01:00:27.560 even though it was on the same day. 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.820 So they, again, at four months, went back to the doctor, 01:00:31.640 --> 01:00:34.260 still hesitant, but doctor convinced them to do the vaccines again. 01:00:34.900 --> 01:00:37.240 They did same exact reaction happened. 01:00:38.220 --> 01:00:40.780 And kid had super fast heart rate, went to the hospital, 01:00:41.200 --> 01:00:43.120 they were there for a day, everything calmed down after that. 01:00:43.180 --> 01:00:46.460 And still nobody was willing to say that that was because of the vaccines. 01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:49.620 And at six months, they went back to the pediatrician's office 01:00:49.620 --> 01:00:51.960 and the pediatrician was going to kick them out if they didn't do their 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:55.880 vaccines again and the parents were like, look, we're not anti-vaccine. 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:59.720 Older kids fully vaccinated, but this kid's clearly having a reaction. 01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:01.820 Can we not at least wait till we're older? 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:03.840 Yeah. Still, they were kicked out. 01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:06.580 So I met them later on in their journey. 01:01:06.740 --> 01:01:10.840 But it's like, how can you not sit back and see something like that and say 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:15.780 there is something very wrong with our system where if a patient says that, 01:01:15.900 --> 01:01:18.480 that the doctor is going to dismiss that, if they come to my office, 01:01:18.540 --> 01:01:21.340 I still probably can't give an exemption for that because you need 01:01:21.340 --> 01:01:24.160 documentation, you need proof, you need to show that it came from the 01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:27.280 vaccine, you can't prove 100 percent that happened after the vaccines. 01:01:27.380 --> 01:01:29.380 But come on, you have that story. 01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.460 Right. What else are you thinking? 01:01:31.680 --> 01:01:34.340 And even if it's not because of the vaccine, shouldn't that be the person 01:01:35.160 --> 01:01:39.580 who qualifies under the benefit of the doubt to say, look, 01:01:39.720 --> 01:01:41.720 maybe this is not the kid that we need to vaccinate? 01:01:41.720 --> 01:01:45.040 The temporal association, close enough, everyone else is vaccinated. 01:01:45.260 --> 01:01:47.100 What harm are they, you know what I mean? 01:01:47.260 --> 01:01:51.900 Is this one child going to kill our herd or community immunity? 01:01:51.940 --> 01:01:53.500 And everything's about risks versus benefits. 01:01:53.500 --> 01:01:57.180 And in that scenario, you have to look at that kid and say, 01:01:57.640 --> 01:02:00.980 this kid's probably at very high risk to have another severe reaction. 01:02:01.180 --> 01:02:03.460 Maybe they're going to have a heart attack and the heart's going to stop this time. 01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:05.880 Should the parents not have the option to say, 01:02:06.520 --> 01:02:08.440 well, I understand that my kid could get whooping cough, 01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:11.580 but I think the risk is much higher than my kid's going to have a heart 01:02:12.240 --> 01:02:14.180 reaction like they did the last two times. 01:02:15.560 --> 01:02:19.380 That's basic medicine and that's not anti-vaccine or anything out there. 01:02:19.620 --> 01:02:22.880 That's scaring parents into doing something that might cause their kid harm. 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:24.180 That's way too far. 01:02:24.260 --> 01:02:26.520 We have to come back to some sanity. 01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:32.960 Which you are now, I would say, one of the leading voices trying to navigate 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:36.160 a middle ground, a middle, sensible ground. 01:02:36.500 --> 01:02:39.720 Here's your book between a shot in a hard place, 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.480 tackling difficult vaccine questions with balanced data and clarity. 01:02:43.720 --> 01:02:48.000 I've been watching your posts on social media around some of these 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:52.060 decisions coming out of the CDC, hepatitis B, you know. 01:02:52.060 --> 01:02:54.660 And then you've got the American Academy of Pediatrics, 01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:58.460 which is your organization, if you will. 01:02:58.600 --> 01:03:01.440 You are a pediatrician saying, don't listen to the CDC. 01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:06.560 That's not science, which has got to make it difficult. 01:03:07.120 --> 01:03:10.140 I mean, I, you know, and I'll be honest with you, 01:03:10.140 --> 01:03:13.180 I'm in a place where I have no forgiveness for doctors any longer. 01:03:13.340 --> 01:03:15.180 There's just too much information out there. 01:03:15.580 --> 01:03:18.600 If you're not questioning it, you don't have a brain. 01:03:18.780 --> 01:03:19.240 I'm sorry. 01:03:19.240 --> 01:03:23.120 If you're not like saying, I just cannot just go along with a blanket. 01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:25.100 It's safe and effective any longer. 01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:26.500 We're way past that point. 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:30.520 But let's talk about the American Academy of Pediatrics for a second. 01:03:32.060 --> 01:03:37.280 There, I think they're giving pediatrics a horrible name at the moment. 01:03:37.720 --> 01:03:41.560 What they're saying is there's no science to what is happening at HHS. 01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:45.740 Removal of the hepatitis B vaccine, COVID vaccine, shared decision making. 01:03:46.420 --> 01:03:48.600 You know, this isn't something that's going to be mandated on kids. 01:03:50.080 --> 01:03:52.100 How do they say that that's not scientific? 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.760 I'm very, very frustrated with what's going on. 01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:57.000 I think everybody should be. 01:03:57.220 --> 01:04:01.060 There's no logic to this back and forth that's going on, the lawsuits. 01:04:01.340 --> 01:04:04.180 Nobody's sitting down having discussions that's not going to help anybody. 01:04:04.720 --> 01:04:07.240 We're not seeing any real dialogue. 01:04:07.660 --> 01:04:09.720 It's just anger, lawsuits. 01:04:10.160 --> 01:04:11.580 Oh, you're going to say this, we're going to do the opposite. 01:04:12.100 --> 01:04:15.100 And that leaves all of the parents confused. 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.580 It doesn't move anything onto the next step. 01:04:18.580 --> 01:04:21.700 And it doesn't even let us know what to do as a pediatrician. 01:04:22.540 --> 01:04:24.140 It's so confusing right now. 01:04:24.180 --> 01:04:25.620 I think it's the most confusing time ever. 01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:29.180 And I said that many times, I don't know what parents are thinking right now. 01:04:29.200 --> 01:04:30.580 I don't know how they can make a decision. 01:04:30.740 --> 01:04:33.900 It's so all over the place with what they're hearing. 01:04:34.220 --> 01:04:39.640 And that makes it very tough to be a parent right now, especially with a young kid. 01:04:40.260 --> 01:04:41.880 You're hearing all sorts of different things. 01:04:42.120 --> 01:04:43.600 And so what do you do with that? 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:44.160 I don't know. 01:04:44.160 --> 01:04:50.160 So I think the American Academy ofiatrics is trying to take a stand 01:04:50.160 --> 01:04:53.360 against what's going on, but at the same time, they're really making themselves 01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:55.020 look bad. 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.080 I think I think we're really putting doctors in a place where 01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.100 it's very adversarial. 01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:01.700 People don't like doctors anymore. 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:04.540 They used to be look at the statistics that they're in different studies 01:05:04.540 --> 01:05:07.800 that are quoted, but the recent one, you know, 70 percent to 40 percent 01:05:08.460 --> 01:05:12.120 popularity before and after covid, I think with everything that happened, 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:17.520 public health is destroyed in terms of any sort of trust. 01:05:18.020 --> 01:05:19.760 Any trust in doctors is destroyed. 01:05:20.220 --> 01:05:24.400 And I'm seeing that more and more, even just in the Facebook chat groups, 01:05:24.500 --> 01:05:26.740 where I'm lurking in the background where people talk about things 01:05:26.740 --> 01:05:29.220 and you're seeing all sorts of doctors not know what to do. 01:05:29.600 --> 01:05:34.040 Patients are coming in at a rate of not wanting to do vaccines. 01:05:34.040 --> 01:05:38.120 That's so high that they're worried that they're not going to have enough 01:05:38.120 --> 01:05:40.840 patients and I've seen that in multiple groups of doctors saying, well, 01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:44.760 well, we should we change up our policies because there's so many practices 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:49.340 that don't take don't take patients unless they fully vaccinate on the schedule. 01:05:49.720 --> 01:05:53.540 And and there are so many people coming in that no longer want to do that, 01:05:54.160 --> 01:05:58.180 that it's creating discussion amongst the doctors about whether they're 01:05:58.180 --> 01:06:00.780 going to change it or they feel like they need to change it, 01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.660 whether they could maybe prioritize some of the vaccines. 01:06:03.780 --> 01:06:05.180 And those are the ones. 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.960 It actually things are changing because people are changing it. 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:13.460 And I'm really shocked to see it, but it actually in the real world, 01:06:13.560 --> 01:06:16.180 parents are more skeptical than they ever have been. 01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:19.900 And that's pushing back on doctors to have to think about this. 01:06:20.640 --> 01:06:24.440 And I don't think that the lawsuits and what the American Academy is doing 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:28.740 ultimately is going to serve things in the best way. 01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:31.200 We saw what happened when we mandate things. 01:06:31.300 --> 01:06:32.120 Nobody wanted to do it. 01:06:33.740 --> 01:06:37.100 And very few people were doing COVID shots in the last year. 01:06:37.100 --> 01:06:39.060 And I think the same thing is going to happen. 01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:43.940 The harder the American Academy pushes and the harder doctor pushes to force 01:06:43.940 --> 01:06:46.560 vaccines, the fewer people are going to do. 01:06:46.660 --> 01:06:47.980 That's not the solution. 01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:49.140 That's not the direction forward. 01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:52.400 The direction forward needs to be here's the information. 01:06:52.820 --> 01:06:54.300 Here's the benefits that we see. 01:06:54.700 --> 01:06:55.780 Let's discuss the risks. 01:06:56.140 --> 01:06:57.700 Let's figure out what those risks are. 01:06:57.740 --> 01:07:01.260 And let's try to find some middle ground of where that should be based 01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:03.920 on the science and data, as opposed to shoving it down people's roads, 01:07:03.980 --> 01:07:05.040 which seems to be where we're at. 01:07:05.040 --> 01:07:07.680 It seems like they're digging their heels in and pushing back. 01:07:08.080 --> 01:07:11.500 As opposed to being like, OK, well, here's what Secretary 01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:13.620 Kennedy's saying, here's what we agree with, here's what we don't agree with. 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:14.800 Let's discuss that. 01:07:15.540 --> 01:07:20.880 I have got like I rarely in an interview have like 20 questions that I'm 01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.660 excited to like, how am I going to remember all of them? 01:07:23.040 --> 01:07:24.440 Because I want to get through them. 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.520 Because you brought up some things I have not thought about. 01:07:27.640 --> 01:07:32.360 But first of all, my first question would be this moment is very specific. 01:07:33.260 --> 01:07:36.480 American Academy of Pediatrics, this pushback, as you're saying, 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:40.260 this is the hardest time that you can imagine ever having been a doctor. 01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:42.860 It's also one of the hardest times having been a parent. 01:07:43.060 --> 01:07:44.500 You've been posting a lot about that. 01:07:44.580 --> 01:07:48.300 You talk about these conversations in your and you're saying these numbers 01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:53.880 are climbing. So would you say, you know, anecdotally from your experience 01:07:53.880 --> 01:08:00.340 that this push by American Academy of Pediatrics to defy new CDC guidelines, 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:02.340 which I think seemed very sensible. 01:08:02.580 --> 01:08:06.020 Let's join Denmark and other nations that are just having they're not having 01:08:06.020 --> 01:08:08.800 outbreaks of polio, they're not having outbreaks of smallpox. 01:08:08.900 --> 01:08:12.920 The big fear signals, you know, it seems to be perfectly fine in other nations. 01:08:13.240 --> 01:08:14.680 Why don't we just reduce down to that? 01:08:14.780 --> 01:08:16.420 There is science behind that. 01:08:16.540 --> 01:08:19.280 They talk to the scientists that are seeing success there. 01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:23.160 But would you see would you say that this push by American Academy 01:08:23.160 --> 01:08:27.760 of Pediatrics and Gavin Newsome State of California, I think other states 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:32.580 you know, that are Hawaii's looking to join this defiance group. 01:08:33.440 --> 01:08:39.980 Is that in have you met anyone, any, you know, parents coming into your practice 01:08:39.980 --> 01:08:44.040 that that is incentivizing them to take more vaccines? 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:47.360 I don't think it's incentivizing people to take more vaccines. 01:08:47.540 --> 01:08:50.800 I think it's making people question everything because once 01:08:51.440 --> 01:08:54.100 they saw what happened during COVID and saw the public health measures, 01:08:54.220 --> 01:08:55.460 I think now they're concerned about everything. 01:08:55.660 --> 01:08:57.600 I wouldn't put this all in the American Academy of Pediatrics. 01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:58.580 There are many other organizations. 01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.160 I think it's just public health and mainstream medicine in general. 01:09:02.300 --> 01:09:03.600 I think American Academy is part of it. 01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:07.360 These states are saying we're going to use America. 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:07.840 We're not. 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:10.560 We're no longer going to make our vaccine program based on the CDC. 01:09:11.040 --> 01:09:13.820 We're going to make it back based on the American Academy of Pediatrics. 01:09:13.820 --> 01:09:17.940 So that puts it in a different position than every other agency or, 01:09:17.940 --> 01:09:21.000 or, you know, nonprofit or whatever out there. 01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:23.680 They do get a lot of funding from the pharmaceutical industry, 01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.600 but they're putting they're being put in a position whether and they 01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:29.320 must be asking for it, use us as your reference. 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:34.320 So I think they carry a lot of weight and they need to be we need to talk about that. 01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:39.280 But you also brought up something I find interesting, which is as a doctor, 01:09:39.300 --> 01:09:40.560 I hadn't even thought about this. 01:09:41.240 --> 01:09:45.700 You know, if you're a doctor that gives vaccines to those that want it 01:09:45.700 --> 01:09:50.080 and those that don't, you give them you have a balance inside of your practice. 01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:54.360 We know most of the funding that comes into the pediatric practices 01:09:54.360 --> 01:10:00.300 through the sale of vaccines, you know, guys like you are being put in an 01:10:03.140 --> 01:10:07.380 unnaturally underpaid salaried position because all the other 01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:10.060 pediatricians are saying, I'm not going to take you. 01:10:10.400 --> 01:10:14.500 So I'm assuming you're in this group, you, Bob Sears, others where you have 01:10:14.500 --> 01:10:20.540 a line out the door of people that are coming to you to not pay for vaccines. 01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:21.620 How do you make a living? 01:10:21.620 --> 01:10:25.400 Yeah. Well, so first of all, we have a hybrid practice. 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:26.760 So we have the membership model. 01:10:27.260 --> 01:10:31.260 OK. We also you definitely do make some money from vaccines. 01:10:31.440 --> 01:10:33.980 I don't think you make as much as people think that you do because you make 01:10:33.980 --> 01:10:37.940 money off of visits to so you are seeing patients and you get paid for the visit 01:10:37.940 --> 01:10:40.660 along with vaccines if you're you're giving vaccines. 01:10:40.900 --> 01:10:43.720 Generally, there's you can make a little bit of money off of each vaccine. 01:10:43.860 --> 01:10:47.060 I think when it comes to vaccine, when people are talking about it, 01:10:47.060 --> 01:10:47.800 it's in the aggregate. 01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:50.020 So if you're doing a lot of vaccines, you're making a few dollars 01:10:50.020 --> 01:10:52.920 that can certainly add up over time, especially in a big system. 01:10:53.260 --> 01:10:56.420 A few dollars can really add up for that system for vaccines. 01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.620 But for me, it doesn't really affect me all that much. 01:11:00.620 --> 01:11:04.320 I think if you were in a Medicaid, medical type of clinic, it might affect you 01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:07.100 a little bit more because those margins are so small. 01:11:07.160 --> 01:11:09.820 But ultimately, you have to do what seems right. 01:11:10.020 --> 01:11:13.560 And there should be no reason that you can't see patients and have a 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:16.660 financially stable practice by just seeing patients and letting them do 01:11:16.660 --> 01:11:18.980 whatever they feel like is best for their family. 01:11:18.980 --> 01:11:23.300 So you're using more of a membership concierge model, which we're hearing. 01:11:23.420 --> 01:11:25.760 But I can do that just like you said, because we have a line about the door. 01:11:26.320 --> 01:11:29.800 Right. I mean, I can't take 99% of the patients that come that want to come to us. 01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:33.740 Right. But, you know, the other issue, you know, to bring up 01:11:34.320 --> 01:11:37.300 because I mean, I don't want to make an example like this is the difficulty, 01:11:37.300 --> 01:11:39.540 but it becomes elitist, does it not? 01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:43.580 I mean, a little bit that those of us that can afford to, 01:11:44.060 --> 01:11:47.820 you know, have a membership pay upfront, my insurance covers it great. 01:11:47.820 --> 01:11:50.820 If not, you know, fine, that's what that whole system is. 01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:54.680 You know, I'm in, you know, I have a practitioner I go to. 01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.620 But I just think what about all those people that are struggling to make ends 01:11:58.620 --> 01:12:01.840 meet, probably using their last dollars if they're watching the high wire 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:07.420 to buy organic, you know, which is, I think, incredibly important. 01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:11.120 But then they're outside of this, you know, system. 01:12:11.460 --> 01:12:12.220 How are we going? 01:12:12.440 --> 01:12:15.580 What would be your recommendation to getting around? 01:12:15.580 --> 01:12:19.840 How do we get to a place where we're all getting equal care? 01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:22.660 Well, I think there are a few different ways. 01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:25.760 I think we would have to change the rules around kicking people out and 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:28.800 discriminating. That would be one way to make sure that all practices are taking 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:32.260 patients. But ultimately, the real way to get there is to get the research 01:12:32.260 --> 01:12:36.840 that we actually need to convince the doctors of the science behind vaccines. 01:12:36.860 --> 01:12:38.260 And we can go from there. 01:12:38.440 --> 01:12:40.340 I mean, I still think we don't have the research. 01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:43.700 I think that the Henry Ford study, what you brought out is probably the best 01:12:43.700 --> 01:12:46.800 that we have. And even that is still not perfect. 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:49.960 I mean, we need prospective studies, but we need 20 studies like the one that you 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:54.980 showed. We need the we need the Henry Ford research to be reassessed. 01:12:55.220 --> 01:12:56.080 We need to be peer reviewed. 01:12:56.420 --> 01:13:00.260 We need the same thing at Harvard and Kaiser and in Denmark and wherever. 01:13:00.500 --> 01:13:04.580 And let's let's see if what they found is correct. 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:08.760 If you start seeing that trend with good data, that would start to open up 01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:10.640 people's minds a little bit in the medical world. 01:13:10.660 --> 01:13:12.580 They wouldn't be able to dismiss that totally. 01:13:12.580 --> 01:13:15.440 But we haven't even been able to get that research 01:13:15.440 --> 01:13:20.000 rereviewed, just, oh, you know, Henry Ford, Henry Ford says it says it's no good. 01:13:20.120 --> 01:13:24.000 It's like you have on camera, the doctor saying he didn't want to get it published. 01:13:24.260 --> 01:13:26.820 And you you could look at any of the research out there. 01:13:26.940 --> 01:13:30.340 And that study is certainly as good as most of, if not better than the vast 01:13:30.340 --> 01:13:32.240 majority of vaccine research that we have. 01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:33.820 There's no question about that. 01:13:33.940 --> 01:13:35.140 You can poke holes in that study. 01:13:35.460 --> 01:13:37.040 You can poke holes in any retrospective study. 01:13:37.140 --> 01:13:38.600 That's why they're not great. 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:39.840 They're as good as you have. 01:13:40.420 --> 01:13:45.940 But the fact that we don't have 50 of those studies when we're giving more and 01:13:45.940 --> 01:13:50.380 more vaccines, 30 plus vaccines to kids, it's insane that we wouldn't have that. 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:56.700 And I think if we did that research, if we did 50 studies, if we did prospective 01:13:56.700 --> 01:14:00.000 studies and everything was the same in the vaccinated, unvaccinated group, 01:14:00.120 --> 01:14:02.860 everybody's tune would change, including yours, including Secretary Kennedy's. 01:14:02.900 --> 01:14:07.320 Nobody's here saying that you couldn't ever have a vaccine that's useful or 01:14:07.320 --> 01:14:10.080 you always going to have these huge risk with vaccines. 01:14:10.240 --> 01:14:11.420 The question is, what is that risk? 01:14:11.860 --> 01:14:13.820 And we don't have any idea what that is. 01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:17.860 And as we add more and more vaccines, you can't just assume that they're never 01:14:17.860 --> 01:14:19.120 going to cause a problem. 01:14:19.240 --> 01:14:19.740 That's insane. 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:22.500 And that's what you see when you talk to these doctors. 01:14:22.700 --> 01:14:25.000 They just assume that more is better always. 01:14:25.400 --> 01:14:28.660 Every vaccine is good and they never go backwards. 01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:31.980 And like you were discussing with the COVID vaccine, there's no ability 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.520 to look back in the past and say, well, you know, here's what we thought 01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:38.880 then, here's what's going on now. 01:14:39.240 --> 01:14:42.520 We have a disease that doesn't seem as concerning as it used to be. 01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:47.980 So well, let's at least just say we could recommend it, but we're not going 01:14:47.980 --> 01:14:51.040 to require anybody to do it ever again, because it clearly the risks are not 01:14:51.040 --> 01:14:54.480 what they used to be and are clearly the benefits are not what they used to be. 01:14:54.580 --> 01:14:56.840 And we're just still not sure what the risks are. 01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:57.820 We can't possibly be. 01:14:58.100 --> 01:15:01.160 I think there I think AAP is committing suicide. 01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:05.440 I think Gavin Newsom's committing political suicide on that one vaccine, 01:15:05.440 --> 01:15:08.980 especially there's two you talked a lot about all the vaccine on all of them. 01:15:09.140 --> 01:15:12.860 Definitely. But everybody knows the COVID vaccine is a disaster. 01:15:13.080 --> 01:15:15.000 Everyone knows it doesn't stop transmission. 01:15:15.480 --> 01:15:19.340 Everyone is starting to question if, you know, if I'm getting sick three times 01:15:19.340 --> 01:15:23.780 after and or friends that have seven shots and it's doing nothing to protect 01:15:23.780 --> 01:15:27.000 them and more and more studies showing, you know, myocarditis, 01:15:27.160 --> 01:15:30.600 pericarditis, if these amyloid plaques and prions. 01:15:30.860 --> 01:15:34.580 I mean, God knows what future we have in this species. 01:15:34.580 --> 01:15:39.260 But forget about all of the doctors that have are just, you know, 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:44.460 you know, a part of a religious cult or whatever you want to call it, you know, 01:15:45.300 --> 01:15:46.740 hypnotized by their education. 01:15:47.240 --> 01:15:48.000 You are not. 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.340 And I appreciate that. 01:15:50.480 --> 01:15:51.120 Not any more. 01:15:51.480 --> 01:15:54.660 But I question based on what you just said, 01:15:55.080 --> 01:15:56.940 I know you're trying to find this middle ground. 01:15:57.060 --> 01:15:58.140 You're saying parents are confused. 01:15:58.480 --> 01:16:01.440 What is, you know, where's the, you know, and I've watched podcasts. 01:16:01.440 --> 01:16:05.320 You're in Gary Brekker just recently said, you know, 01:16:05.340 --> 01:16:09.060 one side is saying you take the vaccines, you're going to die. 01:16:09.140 --> 01:16:11.860 The other side is saying, if you don't take the vaccines, you're going to die. 01:16:12.020 --> 01:16:15.140 There's a middle ground, you know, we know there has to be middle ground. 01:16:15.300 --> 01:16:17.800 Do we know? Do we know there's a middle ground? 01:16:18.100 --> 01:16:20.760 Like how I know this is your pursuit. 01:16:21.480 --> 01:16:25.340 And based on what you just said, which you're right, there's 01:16:27.360 --> 01:16:31.020 frankly, almost no science on the safety of vaccines. 01:16:31.020 --> 01:16:33.880 There's certainly no dependable science 01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:36.260 properly done science. 01:16:36.420 --> 01:16:41.220 There's definitely no placebo based before we even go out, you know, 01:16:41.420 --> 01:16:45.500 prospective study that was done correctly prior to licensing these products. 01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:47.820 And then everything's retrospective after that. 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.900 And that's, you know, vulnerable to bias. 01:16:51.580 --> 01:16:52.460 You know it. 01:16:52.620 --> 01:16:54.480 I know as you're looking deeper into it. 01:16:54.540 --> 01:16:58.280 So how, when you say I'm trying to find the middle ground, 01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:03.780 how do you go from the middle ground, which is clear vaccine injury has to be possible? 01:17:04.340 --> 01:17:07.100 Covid vaccine injury now documented. 01:17:07.580 --> 01:17:09.040 Hepatite, you know, then you have people 01:17:09.040 --> 01:17:13.680 complaining and then you have the sickest children, which you talk a lot about. 01:17:14.040 --> 01:17:17.200 Autoimmune disease running rampant seems pretty obvious. 01:17:17.340 --> 01:17:19.900 If your immune system is out of whack, maybe we should look at the product 01:17:20.480 --> 01:17:22.980 that is, you know, inciting your immune system. 01:17:23.180 --> 01:17:27.660 But then on the other side, no, you know, on the pro vaccine side, 01:17:27.660 --> 01:17:35.360 frankly, nothing but bold, loud statements and no science backing up at safety. 01:17:36.200 --> 01:17:39.260 So where, how do you pursue middle? 01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:42.820 Let me start here because you mentioned this and I think it's so interesting. 01:17:42.980 --> 01:17:48.080 In the same week, I could get an email from a very pro vaccine person saying 01:17:48.080 --> 01:17:52.620 that I'm killing kids because I'm talking about any sort of risks around kids. 01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:56.640 And that very same week, I can get an email from somebody who's very 01:17:56.640 --> 01:18:00.560 anti-vaccine saying I'm killing kids because I'm talking about how vaccines might 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:04.260 have some benefit. And so there are two very loud extremes. 01:18:05.140 --> 01:18:08.960 I think most people are in the middle and the reality now that I've been in this 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:12.240 for a while, a lot of people are actually much more in the middle. 01:18:12.280 --> 01:18:13.780 And a lot of doctors are starting to hear this. 01:18:13.940 --> 01:18:17.860 I think the best thing that's happened so far with Secretary Kennedy, 01:18:17.980 --> 01:18:21.040 no matter what you believe about him, is he's brought this out. 01:18:22.540 --> 01:18:23.420 And and it's a conversation. 01:18:23.980 --> 01:18:25.400 You can't you can't go by public conversation. 01:18:25.400 --> 01:18:26.140 It's a public conversation. 01:18:26.380 --> 01:18:28.380 You can't say we're not moving towards the middle now. 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:30.800 It's way over here and it's moved here. 01:18:31.280 --> 01:18:34.800 But you can't say that we're not moving more to the middle with discussions 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:39.360 around hepatitis B, with changes to the CDC schedule, with discussions around autism. 01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:42.260 These things were never even talked about before. 01:18:42.700 --> 01:18:42.800 Yeah. 01:18:42.900 --> 01:18:45.420 Most doctors were never even aware of it. 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:47.420 They are now, they're aware of it. 01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.320 People are going into the office and not wanting to get vaccines. 01:18:50.660 --> 01:18:54.080 Doctors are questioning what they should or shouldn't do. 01:18:54.080 --> 01:18:56.140 They're looking into it, they're talking about it. 01:18:56.140 --> 01:18:59.280 So we are very slowly moving in that direction. 01:18:59.460 --> 01:19:04.020 And I hope that as we continue to move forward, that's going to push the research 01:19:04.020 --> 01:19:05.400 that's actually needed to move the doctors. 01:19:05.860 --> 01:19:10.140 Because right now, I think the unfortunate part is whatever Secretary 01:19:10.140 --> 01:19:15.700 Kennedy is doing is very open to being all just replaced in a few years if he's not there. 01:19:16.060 --> 01:19:17.940 And that's not going to move things forward. 01:19:18.080 --> 01:19:19.580 Changing the CDC schedule is doing nothing. 01:19:19.980 --> 01:19:20.160 Right. 01:19:20.220 --> 01:19:23.300 I think it's it's really great in terms of discussing because I think it's 01:19:23.300 --> 01:19:24.480 opening up that discussion. 01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:28.520 But ultimately, if he says, OK, we're doing the CDC schedule, it's going to be this way. 01:19:28.980 --> 01:19:31.240 And all the doctors say, no, no, we're just going to do the AAP schedule, 01:19:31.320 --> 01:19:32.140 which is what was before. 01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:35.520 If he's not there in three years, they're just going to say, we're just putting it back. 01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:37.160 Right. That's what would happen. 01:19:37.440 --> 01:19:38.020 So I think. 01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:40.820 But what would happen to all the doctors like you? 01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:41.980 And I think they are increasing. 01:19:42.140 --> 01:19:45.980 There's more and more doctors are quietly starting to say, hey, look, 01:19:46.060 --> 01:19:47.200 I just met with one in Canada. 01:19:47.460 --> 01:19:52.240 I just had just watched an inconvenient study and he said, I am literally saying to 01:19:52.240 --> 01:19:54.020 my patients right now, I've got four 01:19:55.220 --> 01:19:58.240 pregnant moms that are wanting to know what my opinion is on vaccines. 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:03.560 And he said, I am officially taking a hiatus from the conversation. 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:04.760 I don't even know what to tell you. 01:20:05.080 --> 01:20:06.460 I'm starting my own research. 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:11.000 He said, based on your film, I've got a refrigerator full of vaccines 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:14.780 brought up meningitis as a concern, but I don't know what the safety of that. 01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:17.180 You're right. I mean, I am worried about meningitis, 01:20:17.260 --> 01:20:20.680 but I don't know how much harm that single vaccine can cause. 01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:25.400 I don't know where to find that information who's brand new to this, 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:28.280 but very insightful, very thoughtful. 01:20:28.300 --> 01:20:30.420 And it's just a fascinating conversation. 01:20:31.580 --> 01:20:33.960 I don't know that this just swings back now. 01:20:34.080 --> 01:20:36.700 They'll use authority to swing it back, but you're not going to. 01:20:36.780 --> 01:20:37.920 You can go, hold on a second. 01:20:38.180 --> 01:20:43.100 I mean, would you change with your patients if suddenly CDC is back under, you know? 01:20:43.740 --> 01:20:45.860 So I think the schedule could change back. 01:20:46.040 --> 01:20:47.460 I don't think you can put back the conversation. 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:50.180 I think that has changed for good now. 01:20:50.180 --> 01:20:53.580 I don't think you can go backwards to the point where people don't understand 01:20:53.580 --> 01:20:55.020 that vaccines can cause a problem. 01:20:55.440 --> 01:21:00.140 I think the real question is, can we get to the point where the science 01:21:00.140 --> 01:21:03.800 could catch up to the point where people are actually willing to do their studies 01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:06.260 and then willing to look at those studies, honestly, and say, 01:21:07.140 --> 01:21:09.240 OK, well, here's where the risks are with vaccines. 01:21:09.440 --> 01:21:10.540 Let's make better vaccines. 01:21:11.320 --> 01:21:12.660 Let's use fewer vaccines. 01:21:12.980 --> 01:21:16.140 Let's let's figure out where that balance is for kids' health. 01:21:16.180 --> 01:21:18.120 Or let's just at least not require them. 01:21:18.360 --> 01:21:19.680 I mean, it's a very easy place to start. 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:21.000 Let's not force anybody to do anything. 01:21:21.340 --> 01:21:23.960 That should be, you know, the bar, the low bar. 01:21:24.060 --> 01:21:26.160 Certainly in a free country. 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:29.840 And we don't most places in America don't require them for school. 01:21:30.180 --> 01:21:31.380 Right. Those states are doing just fine. 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.200 Most countries don't require vaccines to go to school. 01:21:34.340 --> 01:21:35.180 They're doing just fine. 01:21:35.420 --> 01:21:38.980 Well, I do I would say let me correct that for anyone watching is brand new today. 01:21:39.620 --> 01:21:41.240 Every state requires them. 01:21:41.960 --> 01:21:43.000 They have exemptions. 01:21:43.100 --> 01:21:46.200 They have exemptions, but they're not very forthcoming about it. 01:21:46.220 --> 01:21:47.980 And if you just showed up, you won't know. 01:21:47.980 --> 01:21:49.940 They won't tell you, by the way, you can just opt out. 01:21:50.380 --> 01:21:52.320 You have to go out of your way to find that information. 01:21:52.820 --> 01:21:53.400 But you're right. 01:21:53.480 --> 01:21:55.320 There's only five states currently 01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:57.780 that just have no exemption whatsoever. 01:21:57.940 --> 01:21:59.480 So it's a little different than not having it mandated. 01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:01.300 You have to sort of go out of your way. 01:22:02.080 --> 01:22:04.560 I'm curious because in our nonprofits 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:08.620 called informed consent action network, I've been fighting just for informed 01:22:08.620 --> 01:22:11.400 consent. I want patients to be informed. 01:22:12.060 --> 01:22:13.920 I'm not, you know, I like you. 01:22:14.100 --> 01:22:17.760 I get attacks from people because I don't say I'm eradicating vaccines. 01:22:17.980 --> 01:22:21.600 From the face of the planet, I'm not a vaccine abolitionist. 01:22:21.740 --> 01:22:22.940 I think I'm a realist. 01:22:23.500 --> 01:22:26.420 Pharmaceutical industry is too big and there's too many people that just are, 01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:29.480 you know, live in fear and will do whatever Pharma says. 01:22:29.580 --> 01:22:30.960 And they have every right to do that. 01:22:31.280 --> 01:22:33.860 I really do believe in freedom. 01:22:34.100 --> 01:22:38.040 This is a free country, but you can't force your thought system on me. 01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:40.040 I can't force mine on you. 01:22:40.340 --> 01:22:44.560 But you seem like one of these doctors that is trying to get to inform consent. 01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:46.120 So let me ask you a question. 01:22:46.120 --> 01:22:48.440 Can I get a little test response here? 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:52.300 If a parent says to you, what is your opinion? 01:22:52.460 --> 01:22:54.220 What should I know about hepatitis B? 01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:57.620 What is informed consent from a doctor actually sound like? 01:22:57.820 --> 01:22:59.660 I want to and for everyone out there that has a doctor, 01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:03.240 I want to see if they think this is what they'd want to hear from the doctor. 01:23:03.820 --> 01:23:07.420 I mean, informed consent means having a discussion to me, at least. 01:23:07.500 --> 01:23:11.540 I mean, it's having a discussion and explaining what we know and what we 01:23:11.540 --> 01:23:14.220 don't know the risks versus the benefits of any procedure, 01:23:14.220 --> 01:23:16.600 whether that's hepatitis B or heart surgery. 01:23:17.240 --> 01:23:20.040 And then ultimately letting the parent make the best decision for them. 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:23.200 It's providing them with information so that they can have it. 01:23:23.280 --> 01:23:23.920 They can look it up. 01:23:24.220 --> 01:23:25.000 I mean, I think to have. 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:25.500 So what do you say? 01:23:25.780 --> 01:23:28.480 Listen, I'm asking you. 01:23:29.220 --> 01:23:30.380 Well, you would know about happy. 01:23:30.580 --> 01:23:33.460 Well, I think you need to know the risks of hepatitis B so that 01:23:34.020 --> 01:23:37.100 I mean, I guess it depends on which age your child is, let's say, for a newborn. 01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:42.360 If you are exposed to hepatitis B, then you could you could die. 01:23:42.360 --> 01:23:46.200 You could get cancer, liver cancer, be the two biggest concerns. 01:23:46.580 --> 01:23:50.040 I you would need to know that the risk of getting hepatitis B as 01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:52.240 newborn is extremely low. 01:23:52.380 --> 01:23:54.120 We're talking one in a million to one in seven million. 01:23:54.300 --> 01:23:57.560 If you don't have hepatitis B, is it possible that somebody could come 01:23:57.560 --> 01:23:59.160 and bleed on your baby? Sure, it's possible. 01:23:59.480 --> 01:24:03.080 Is it possible that you could bang into a needle as a newborn or have a wild 01:24:03.080 --> 01:24:05.680 baby party? Yes, I guess it's possible, but it's very unlikely. 01:24:05.940 --> 01:24:08.680 So I think you need to understand what the risk is that you actually might 01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:12.500 be exposed to the disease versus what your risk is from the vaccine. 01:24:12.780 --> 01:24:16.780 And when we're talking about the vaccine, if parents want to get in that discussion, 01:24:16.900 --> 01:24:19.620 if they want to look at everything, you can certainly get into how the trials 01:24:19.620 --> 01:24:22.020 were run, how long the safety testing was. 01:24:22.320 --> 01:24:22.920 How long was it? 01:24:23.620 --> 01:24:25.780 Active was four to five days for the main vaccine. 01:24:25.980 --> 01:24:27.100 So I think that are five to six days. 01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:30.360 So I think that's important to know they did follow them after, 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:33.260 but it's very short term, mostly done in adults. 01:24:33.400 --> 01:24:35.740 So we don't have long term safety data on hepatitis B. 01:24:35.820 --> 01:24:37.860 And I think that's important for parents to know as well. 01:24:37.860 --> 01:24:39.760 It doesn't mean that it's completely unsafe. 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:41.340 We've been using it for a very long time. 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:44.700 And you can argue whether what the safety data is. 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.860 Again, I don't think it's been studying the way that we would know. 01:24:47.260 --> 01:24:50.540 But I think that's the part of informed consent that gets missed is 01:24:50.540 --> 01:24:53.240 there's just a lot that we don't know about the long term risks from these 01:24:53.240 --> 01:24:55.820 vaccines, which is what was discussed in ASIP recently. 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:59.980 And I think why they changed it moving it back, because I just don't think 01:24:59.980 --> 01:25:03.980 we really understand what the risk profile is to giving a newborn baby 01:25:03.980 --> 01:25:07.480 a vaccine, something where the risk to them is extremely low. 01:25:08.120 --> 01:25:10.020 And that seems to be common sense to be. 01:25:10.540 --> 01:25:13.180 It's it's not just, oh, we're just protecting its hepatitis B. 01:25:13.240 --> 01:25:14.800 Because if you were to ask me as a physician, 01:25:15.040 --> 01:25:17.400 do I want a baby to get hepatitis B? Of course, I don't. 01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:19.860 Of course, nobody wants a kid to get hepatitis B and die. 01:25:20.160 --> 01:25:21.240 But that's not the full story. 01:25:21.340 --> 01:25:24.860 The question is if you're giving three million kids hepatitis B vaccine 01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:31.500 and you're protecting maybe one kid who the parents didn't realize 01:25:31.500 --> 01:25:33.560 they had hepatitis B or that fell through the cracks. 01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:34.620 I mean, that's tragic. 01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:35.520 You don't want that. 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:38.460 But what is the risk to giving three million kids that vaccine? 01:25:38.700 --> 01:25:40.220 And are there some deaths from that? 01:25:40.400 --> 01:25:41.560 Are there some fevers? 01:25:41.740 --> 01:25:42.360 Are there some seizures? 01:25:42.700 --> 01:25:45.220 Are there some autoimmune conditions that they develop later in life? 01:25:45.620 --> 01:25:46.880 What does that look like? 01:25:47.180 --> 01:25:48.340 We've never studied that. 01:25:48.480 --> 01:25:51.360 And you can't just keep giving kids vaccines on day one. 01:25:51.440 --> 01:25:55.560 We vitamin K, RSV, hepatitis B, and diabetic 01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:57.220 eye omen all in the first two or three days. 01:25:58.120 --> 01:26:01.040 How can you look at that and say there can't be some risk from that? 01:26:01.180 --> 01:26:02.140 Yes, there can be some benefits. 01:26:02.140 --> 01:26:04.220 It's certainly vitamin K can help prevent a blame bleed. 01:26:04.780 --> 01:26:07.840 But when you're doing multiple things on a one day old baby, 01:26:08.340 --> 01:26:10.720 there has to be some downstream effect from that. 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:12.500 Everything has good and bad. 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:16.000 And we there's no reason why we can't have those discussions 01:26:16.540 --> 01:26:18.920 as scientists and say, we don't want anyone to get hepatitis B. 01:26:19.180 --> 01:26:20.240 We don't want to have a blame bleed. 01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:23.660 But we also don't want them to develop autoimmune condition. 01:26:23.820 --> 01:26:24.660 We also don't want a seizure. 01:26:25.660 --> 01:26:26.940 I appreciate that. 01:26:27.200 --> 01:26:31.300 And if doctors were just speaking like that, I think we would be in enough. 01:26:31.700 --> 01:26:35.500 We would never found ourselves in, I think, the position we find ourselves now. 01:26:36.040 --> 01:26:41.220 When you watch what Bobby Kennedy is doing, there's been all the he's not a doctor. 01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:43.140 You know, he's anti-vaccine. 01:26:44.440 --> 01:26:47.700 You know, and I mean, he's also made the argument. 01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:51.060 So it was his wife on the view and others that I think there's only been two 01:26:51.060 --> 01:26:52.920 doctors in the HHS position. 01:26:53.060 --> 01:26:55.340 It tends to be lawyers, which is what he is. 01:26:55.420 --> 01:26:58.960 And I think he's super well qualified in that he's been a lawyer fighting for 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:02.200 health most of his entire career. 01:27:02.540 --> 01:27:05.420 But I want to ask you a specific question because obviously, 01:27:05.660 --> 01:27:08.680 you know, you're you're writing, you're being forthcoming. 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:09.880 You want a middle ground. 01:27:10.480 --> 01:27:13.820 You want, you know, you'd love for the AAP to be open minded. 01:27:13.980 --> 01:27:14.800 Can we do some science? 01:27:14.980 --> 01:27:17.820 Why aren't we doing a Vax versus unvaccinated study? 01:27:18.060 --> 01:27:19.140 Why isn't all this happening? 01:27:19.180 --> 01:27:20.320 You want all that happening? 01:27:21.240 --> 01:27:25.880 Is there, you know, so you need Bobby to be successful at opening up this 01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:30.620 dialogue? Is there any way that he could do this better? 01:27:30.940 --> 01:27:33.720 If you wanted, like when you're watching what he's doing, 01:27:33.940 --> 01:27:38.460 I imagine you're hoping I need you to open up the minds of the doctors around 01:27:38.460 --> 01:27:40.780 me, those that train me, the university system. 01:27:41.480 --> 01:27:45.240 Is there a way he could do this differently that wouldn't create this 01:27:45.240 --> 01:27:48.720 massive pushback by AAP and Gavin Newsom? 01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:50.600 And is there any, you know? 01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:53.420 I don't know if there's any way. 01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:54.920 I wish he could include people. 01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:56.740 I wish they could sit down and have conversations. 01:27:57.060 --> 01:27:58.280 I don't know if they're willing to do it. 01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:00.840 No, Paul Offit's been offered. 01:28:01.100 --> 01:28:02.920 He's offered to show up ace if he didn't. 01:28:03.080 --> 01:28:03.900 He refused to show up. 01:28:04.020 --> 01:28:06.200 I was just on the Charlie Kirk Show with Aaron Seary, 01:28:06.820 --> 01:28:10.020 and we offered Paul Offit to come to be a part of it, and he wouldn't. 01:28:10.340 --> 01:28:13.560 And I mean, I hope that some of them will be more willing to do it. 01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:15.580 I don't think people like Paul Offit are going to do it at this point. 01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:16.940 They've not wanted to do it for so long. 01:28:16.980 --> 01:28:20.240 But there are so many other people involved and many other doctors. 01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:24.300 And if I had a dream, it would be that they would sit down in a room 01:28:24.300 --> 01:28:27.820 and talk about some of these things and do it openly so that they could say their 01:28:27.820 --> 01:28:31.300 position, he could say his position and they could find some sort of common ground 01:28:31.300 --> 01:28:32.100 to work from. 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:34.660 He doesn't necessarily have the time to do that. 01:28:34.980 --> 01:28:36.860 So that that may be the problem is 01:28:37.440 --> 01:28:41.820 oh, I think trying to get people to I mean, like if he would, I think he would do it. 01:28:41.820 --> 01:28:44.420 But I think that having those discussions would take a lot more time 01:28:44.420 --> 01:28:45.400 than just making changes. 01:28:45.480 --> 01:28:48.000 So I think he's doing what he thinks is best. 01:28:48.160 --> 01:28:52.800 But ultimately, that's at the cost of including people that he needs to be 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:56.960 the the minions, the fighters of what he actually wants to do to change the schedule. 01:28:57.060 --> 01:28:59.640 You actually need the people to change the schedule that are administering 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:02.340 the vaccines and right now you don't see that. 01:29:02.440 --> 01:29:06.560 So I think that's where it's really tough for him, I would imagine. 01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:08.880 I don't know. I've never spoken to about it. 01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:12.320 But I think that he's trying to do what he can do and he has only so much 01:29:12.320 --> 01:29:14.840 time for right now and he wants to get as much of it done. 01:29:14.900 --> 01:29:16.440 And then he knows he's going to get pushed back. 01:29:16.580 --> 01:29:20.440 But the better way to do it would be to actually have discussions. 01:29:20.440 --> 01:29:23.120 Well, the real better way to do it would be to have the data to back things up. 01:29:23.280 --> 01:29:25.620 But since he doesn't have that data, because it doesn't exist, 01:29:25.860 --> 01:29:28.140 he has to do things based on what he thinks is best. 01:29:28.300 --> 01:29:29.940 And I think he's working on the data. 01:29:30.240 --> 01:29:31.940 So let's talk just as far as the data. 01:29:32.620 --> 01:29:36.160 If he does a Henry Ford style study, maybe millions of kids 01:29:36.160 --> 01:29:40.380 using some database, whether it's Medicare or Medicaid or something, 01:29:41.100 --> 01:29:49.260 compares vaccinated to unvaccinated, what would what would AAP have to see? 01:29:49.260 --> 01:29:51.260 I mean, would they have to be in charge of it? 01:29:51.440 --> 01:29:54.380 I mean, short of being in charge of it, where they would accept 01:29:54.380 --> 01:29:58.320 the data we're looking at, they would never accept anything that he does. 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:01.100 I would think I don't think in the short term they would, 01:30:01.240 --> 01:30:03.880 but it still doesn't matter because you still need that as a first step. 01:30:04.040 --> 01:30:07.140 We need somebody to do it so that they can say, here's what they think is 01:30:07.140 --> 01:30:10.320 wrong. And then you say, OK, well, here, then give me your statisticians, 01:30:10.440 --> 01:30:13.080 redo it, show me where we did it wrong, do it in a different way. 01:30:13.300 --> 01:30:16.240 And then hopefully other places would start to copy that and mimic 01:30:16.240 --> 01:30:17.100 and we get multiple. 01:30:17.100 --> 01:30:19.360 I don't think any one thing that Secretary 01:30:19.360 --> 01:30:21.600 Kennedy does is going to change the minds of most doctors, 01:30:22.380 --> 01:30:25.240 nor should it necessarily, but it might, but they're going to hear about it. 01:30:25.400 --> 01:30:26.640 They're going to have to hear about the study. 01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:30.340 They're going to have to read about it, look into it, look how they did it, 01:30:30.460 --> 01:30:33.120 start to focus on, all right, here's how we would do it differently. 01:30:33.460 --> 01:30:36.200 And that's the first step towards moving in a different direction, 01:30:36.280 --> 01:30:38.420 because there was never even a discussion of that in the first place. 01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:39.640 So I think he needs to do it. 01:30:39.700 --> 01:30:41.800 And I think it will help no matter what they find. 01:30:41.940 --> 01:30:44.720 I don't think that's going to move the needle very much, 01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.680 but it will move it in that, in that a little bit. 01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:50.520 And then hopefully we can get some follow up from that. 01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:52.340 So yeah, I think it will. 01:30:52.440 --> 01:30:55.420 I think it is just like the Henry Ford study is moving the needle 01:30:55.420 --> 01:30:57.940 because parents and people seeing it are saying, 01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:01.320 why can't you do a study that shows me your side's right? 01:31:01.580 --> 01:31:03.680 Right. And I think as we get more and more studies, 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:08.300 sure, AAP will continue to dig its heels in and force covid vaccine 01:31:08.300 --> 01:31:11.380 on innocent children and lose more and more ground, more and more 01:31:11.380 --> 01:31:13.120 relevance. I think states are going to start. 01:31:13.120 --> 01:31:16.340 I think people start leaving states over some of these vaccines 01:31:16.340 --> 01:31:17.780 like it just doesn't make sense. 01:31:17.900 --> 01:31:22.220 But I do think the power is in the people, which is why we do what we do. 01:31:22.300 --> 01:31:24.400 The more people are saying, I'm just not listening to you anymore 01:31:24.400 --> 01:31:27.520 because you're not in a reasonable position. 01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:29.160 There's got to be a reason around this. 01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:32.260 And I think that's what's ultimately going to change things. 01:31:32.440 --> 01:31:34.760 It's going to be the stuff that Secretary Kennedy is doing, 01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:37.440 but also it's the parents, the parents that keep 01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:39.820 opting out of the system or questioning it. 01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:41.580 It's going to be the thing that's going to force 01:31:42.200 --> 01:31:45.220 the doctors to say, parents are concerned about this. 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:47.340 Where is the research that they want? 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:48.800 Why don't we go do it? 01:31:48.860 --> 01:31:50.840 We're so sure the vaccines don't cause a problem. 01:31:50.960 --> 01:31:52.920 What are we worried about to go do that study? 01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:55.480 And that that that doesn't make any sense. 01:31:55.620 --> 01:31:58.400 There's very clearly it's either clearly been done 01:31:58.400 --> 01:32:00.640 and they don't want to show what it is or there's some 01:32:01.160 --> 01:32:04.480 some sort of weird logic around not doing it. 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:07.260 Like you would think the first thing you would do to counter 01:32:07.260 --> 01:32:10.220 what Secretary Kennedy says would be, all right, we went to Harvard. 01:32:10.220 --> 01:32:12.820 We looked at the last 15 years. 01:32:13.200 --> 01:32:15.720 Here's the data and that's never been done. 01:32:15.780 --> 01:32:19.260 It's still not been done in the last, you know, year. 01:32:19.380 --> 01:32:21.280 It's insane to see it hasn't run. 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:25.580 Well, no, I mean, that's what they would do. 01:32:25.820 --> 01:32:27.680 I know, let's let it be front pages in New York. 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:28.960 And then but you have to ask yourself, 01:32:29.060 --> 01:32:31.160 since we know they've done it, because it would be so obvious 01:32:31.160 --> 01:32:33.340 they've done it and they're not getting the response they want. 01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:35.280 Why are they so gung-ho on a product 01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:38.200 that then is doing so poorly in comparative trials? 01:32:38.200 --> 01:32:40.400 All of that we could go on and on. 01:32:41.480 --> 01:32:44.280 I want to have you stick around for off the record. 01:32:44.500 --> 01:32:47.160 I actually want to talk about how well you're trained 01:32:47.660 --> 01:32:49.980 for infectious disease, childhood illnesses, 01:32:50.320 --> 01:32:53.040 because if people stop vaccine, we're all going to see meals. 01:32:53.160 --> 01:32:54.500 We are going to see chicken pox. 01:32:54.820 --> 01:32:56.640 I want to know what you know about that. 01:32:56.880 --> 01:32:58.100 Have you had to do your own research? 01:32:58.320 --> 01:33:01.720 Are you ready for a chicken pox outbreak or a measles outbreak? 01:33:01.900 --> 01:33:02.560 Would you know what to do? 01:33:02.940 --> 01:33:04.660 I'm going to ask you that in off the record. 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:06.540 Where do people follow the work that you're doing? 01:33:07.120 --> 01:33:09.920 Probably the best place would be at Dr. Joel Gator on Instagram or X. 01:33:10.240 --> 01:33:13.700 So at Dr. Joel Gator and Instagram or X, 01:33:14.160 --> 01:33:17.480 the book is between a shot and a hard place. 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:20.400 You definitely want to pick this book up. 01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:23.200 It's also great for people that are think are on the fence. 01:33:23.300 --> 01:33:27.680 You're wanting to just move into starting to think reasonably. 01:33:27.940 --> 01:33:29.200 Obviously, Dr. 01:33:29.420 --> 01:33:34.420 Gator is bringing reason, maybe not as far as you are at this moment. 01:33:34.420 --> 01:33:38.060 But I think obviously one of those great people that is giving, 01:33:38.500 --> 01:33:41.760 you know, people in the Republic of California 01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:45.820 an opportunity to, you know, change their vaccine schedule for their kids, 01:33:45.900 --> 01:33:47.820 which I always I know that's risky. 01:33:48.240 --> 01:33:51.280 It's it's honorable that you're doing it. 01:33:51.320 --> 01:33:53.060 So you want to check out off the record. 01:33:53.220 --> 01:33:55.500 Remember, you can only watch off the record 01:33:55.500 --> 01:33:56.580 if you're a recurring donor. 01:33:56.740 --> 01:33:58.700 I don't care if you give us a dollar a month, 01:33:58.820 --> 01:34:01.700 but I want you to be involved. 01:34:01.860 --> 01:34:03.240 They're trying to get you to vote with your dollars 01:34:03.240 --> 01:34:06.400 and trying to get you to feel what it feels like to be involved in a movement. 01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:07.480 That's what this is about. 01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:10.660 And so it's our gift back to you, just a little extra programming. 01:34:10.900 --> 01:34:14.060 And aren't you curious what he actually knows about infectious disease 01:34:14.060 --> 01:34:15.560 and are we ready for it? 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:17.540 Should we start seeing outbreaks 01:34:17.540 --> 01:34:19.720 because people are taking less vaccines? 01:34:19.860 --> 01:34:21.120 And what does that world look like? 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:23.540 Also, there's other ways to donate. 01:34:23.740 --> 01:34:27.480 We still have a few bricks left in our terrorist program. 01:34:27.860 --> 01:34:29.860 You want to do that so you can come and visit. 01:34:30.040 --> 01:34:31.460 Maybe you could be live right now, 01:34:31.460 --> 01:34:34.880 watch this interview and get a picture with Dr. Aider, 01:34:35.080 --> 01:34:36.860 but first you have to have a brick. 01:34:37.140 --> 01:34:39.120 And this is my favorite brick of the week. 01:34:40.440 --> 01:34:43.340 Well, my favorite brick this week is right here. 01:34:43.660 --> 01:34:47.000 To my lovely wife who had the courage to stand for our children 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:50.060 and to challenge me to seek the truth. 01:34:50.440 --> 01:34:55.900 You know, mother's instincts are probably the most powerful medical tool there is. 01:34:56.200 --> 01:34:57.960 And God, for all of our wives, I think, 01:34:58.060 --> 01:34:59.960 that have led us in the right direction. 01:34:59.960 --> 01:35:02.720 Moms, parents making better decisions, 01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:05.000 being courageous to get outside of the box, 01:35:05.120 --> 01:35:07.160 and the high wire is all about. 01:35:10.140 --> 01:35:14.180 All right, well, look, there's heroes 01:35:14.180 --> 01:35:17.980 on every side of a difficult situation. 01:35:18.440 --> 01:35:21.160 The heroes in Canada, the truckers that stood up, 01:35:21.540 --> 01:35:24.600 may have changed the future for the world, 01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:27.940 yet Canada still finds itself in difficult positions. 01:35:28.490 --> 01:35:30.100 The work is never done. 01:35:30.360 --> 01:35:33.680 Freedom doesn't exist until there's freedom for all. 01:35:34.080 --> 01:35:37.420 And freedom isn't secured if the very next election 01:35:37.420 --> 01:35:40.240 could change our rights when it comes to freedom. 01:35:40.540 --> 01:35:43.940 When you see groups like American Academy of Pediatrics, 01:35:44.120 --> 01:35:46.360 when you see leaders like Gavin Newsom, 01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:51.340 you know, you know, literally calling, being anti science right now. 01:35:51.420 --> 01:35:53.580 And I've said it, if you are pro vaccine, 01:35:53.580 --> 01:35:55.680 if you're staunchly pro vaccine, 01:35:56.180 --> 01:35:59.100 you are now on the anti science position. 01:35:59.240 --> 01:36:02.660 There is actually more data and science around the risks 01:36:02.660 --> 01:36:05.120 as we're looking at this, especially around the COVID vaccine. 01:36:05.280 --> 01:36:06.460 We keep reporting on it. 01:36:06.480 --> 01:36:09.980 The lack of, you know, quality in the flu vaccine, 01:36:10.080 --> 01:36:11.400 which has now been denied. 01:36:11.500 --> 01:36:12.300 This is an anti science. 01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:14.400 This is science finally being done. 01:36:14.440 --> 01:36:16.140 But by the way, if you have a problem with it, 01:36:16.180 --> 01:36:19.660 then get in a debate, sit down with me or, you know, 01:36:19.660 --> 01:36:22.320 Dr. Warsh or Robert Kennedy Jr. 01:36:22.900 --> 01:36:25.780 We're all open to having that conversation. 01:36:26.200 --> 01:36:28.760 But as we look at the world right now, 01:36:29.100 --> 01:36:30.500 we've got to take our wins. 01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:31.660 We've got to solidify them. 01:36:31.780 --> 01:36:33.660 We've got to open the door even wider. 01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:37.380 We've got to push back against American Academy of Pediatrics. 01:36:37.660 --> 01:36:38.720 All of this, you know, 01:36:38.740 --> 01:36:41.340 what the pressure that actually changes the world? 01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:45.740 It's the people, you know, I could do this all day long. 01:36:45.740 --> 01:36:47.920 But if I'm the only voice talking about it 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:50.240 and you're all staying quiet inside of your houses, 01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:51.900 nothing changes. 01:36:52.360 --> 01:36:56.220 Frankly, you know, when I watched the COVID situation take place 01:36:56.220 --> 01:36:59.120 and people would say, oh, I had to get the vaccine 01:36:59.120 --> 01:37:00.580 in order to hold onto my job. 01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:03.820 I always think, no, your job gave you an opportunity 01:37:03.820 --> 01:37:05.020 to find another job. 01:37:05.120 --> 01:37:08.500 Or why didn't you talk to everyone inside of that business? 01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:10.600 Here in the United States of America, 01:37:11.040 --> 01:37:15.340 roughly 30 percent of the people denied taking that vaccine. 01:37:15.660 --> 01:37:17.460 That means that's across the entire nation. 01:37:17.460 --> 01:37:22.020 All 340 million of us, 30 percent of us said, oh, hell no. 01:37:22.460 --> 01:37:25.160 That means inside of your job, there was 30 percent of you, 01:37:25.260 --> 01:37:27.240 most likely, that weren't taking it. 01:37:27.280 --> 01:37:29.700 But you didn't know who each other were 01:37:29.700 --> 01:37:34.100 because authoritarianism wins when you are silent. 01:37:34.980 --> 01:37:38.480 It wins when you're afraid to talk about it. 01:37:38.820 --> 01:37:41.720 It stays and even when you might even be 01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:43.560 the majority in a conversation, 01:37:43.700 --> 01:37:45.860 which is, I think, where we're moving right now. 01:37:45.860 --> 01:37:47.600 I think American Academy of Pediatrics 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:50.080 is now going to find itself in a minority position. 01:37:50.440 --> 01:37:53.840 I think Gavin Newsom is now speaking to less people 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:57.340 than he that are that agree with him. 01:37:57.660 --> 01:37:59.800 And I don't I think they're like crazy. 01:38:00.020 --> 01:38:00.920 I don't know what's wrong with them. 01:38:01.020 --> 01:38:04.200 But we don't know that if we don't talk. 01:38:04.420 --> 01:38:07.180 And so we let authoritarianism rain 01:38:07.180 --> 01:38:09.260 when we're not using our voices, 01:38:09.260 --> 01:38:11.000 when we're not standing up together, 01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:13.900 when we don't recognize that we are winning. 01:38:13.900 --> 01:38:16.420 They don't want you to know you're winning. 01:38:17.120 --> 01:38:19.940 And you can't know you're winning if you're staying locked, 01:38:20.480 --> 01:38:21.980 you know, afraid inside of your cave, 01:38:22.120 --> 01:38:26.960 just you know, hoarding what little truth you're clinging onto. 01:38:27.540 --> 01:38:29.180 You've got to share it, 01:38:29.180 --> 01:38:32.540 which is why I really want you this week to take us up on this. 01:38:32.660 --> 01:38:37.640 Please go to our high wire store and grab this card. 01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:38.880 This really is a game changer. 01:38:38.940 --> 01:38:40.340 Just what Dr. 01:38:40.480 --> 01:38:42.860 Warfus is talking about this Henry Ford study. 01:38:42.860 --> 01:38:45.220 We're not going to have another moment like this. 01:38:45.360 --> 01:38:47.180 I mean, this isn't just another movie. 01:38:47.320 --> 01:38:49.500 This isn't just another study. 01:38:49.780 --> 01:38:50.920 It's one of a kind. 01:38:51.060 --> 01:38:53.540 I don't know when we're ever going to have this opportunity. 01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:57.340 Again, where the opposite side, the pro vaccine side, 01:38:57.500 --> 01:39:00.860 a doctor scientist that says, I'm the reason we force 01:39:00.860 --> 01:39:03.200 vaccinate everyone that works at Henry Ford Health. 01:39:03.380 --> 01:39:05.100 When that guy does a study 01:39:05.100 --> 01:39:07.520 and suddenly we get our hands on that study 01:39:07.520 --> 01:39:10.240 and the whole world can see it and say, 01:39:10.240 --> 01:39:12.240 geez, when I watch this movie, 01:39:12.380 --> 01:39:14.860 this guy is clearly in hidden camera footage, 01:39:14.900 --> 01:39:17.740 which is super intriguing to listen to. 01:39:18.260 --> 01:39:21.140 But he is clearly saying, this is a good study. 01:39:21.560 --> 01:39:23.200 I don't know how I would do it any different. 01:39:23.380 --> 01:39:25.740 It didn't turn out how I wanted and I have tried 01:39:25.740 --> 01:39:27.060 and I'm not going to put it out 01:39:27.060 --> 01:39:28.520 because it will destroy my career. 01:39:28.780 --> 01:39:30.300 It will destroy the vaccine program. 01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:33.800 When Bobby Kennedy does this study, 01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:35.220 I guarantee you he will. 01:39:35.440 --> 01:39:37.900 They'll say, well, I mean, he was anti-vax. 01:39:37.900 --> 01:39:40.860 You cannot say that about this study. 01:39:41.480 --> 01:39:43.900 You cannot say that about Henry Ford. 01:39:44.180 --> 01:39:46.300 No doctor can explain this. 01:39:46.380 --> 01:39:47.740 They can try to poke holes in it. 01:39:47.940 --> 01:39:49.860 But just like Dr. Peter Guccia, 01:39:50.100 --> 01:39:52.460 one of the founders of the Cochrane Collaboration has said, 01:39:53.040 --> 01:39:54.740 I've seen Henry Ford's complaint, 01:39:55.040 --> 01:39:57.100 but it doesn't explain these numbers. 01:39:57.660 --> 01:40:00.040 And the more people that see this, 01:40:00.480 --> 01:40:02.340 not only will you change their lives, 01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:04.060 the more people that will know 01:40:04.060 --> 01:40:07.440 that even the pro vaccine side can't do a study 01:40:07.440 --> 01:40:09.420 that makes their product look good. 01:40:10.120 --> 01:40:11.700 And once that starts happening, 01:40:11.820 --> 01:40:15.520 the more of us that know the harder it will be back 01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:18.080 to put this genie back in his bottle, 01:40:18.280 --> 01:40:20.120 wrap it all up, lock it away, 01:40:20.340 --> 01:40:22.300 censor the rest of us that are still talking, 01:40:23.040 --> 01:40:27.500 we make that impossible when we share the truth, 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.820 when we share the truth. 01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:32.380 Not hide the truth, not hide from the truth, 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:35.580 not covet the truth, share the truth. 01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:36.840 Do your part this week. 01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:39.700 Go buy a stack of cards and see how many people 01:40:39.700 --> 01:40:40.840 you can give it to. 01:40:41.020 --> 01:40:42.080 This is a game changer. 01:40:42.340 --> 01:40:43.380 We made this movie. 01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:45.820 I'm proud of it, but more importantly, 01:40:46.300 --> 01:40:49.760 Henry Ford did a study that is absolutely 01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:52.580 changing this conversation around the world. 01:40:52.700 --> 01:40:54.460 Let's be a part of it, get involved 01:40:54.460 --> 01:40:56.440 until everyone around the world knows the truth. 01:40:56.840 --> 01:40:58.200 This is just one of the many things 01:40:58.200 --> 01:40:59.760 the high wire is involved in. 01:41:00.320 --> 01:41:01.620 We also have our lawsuits, 01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:03.880 your donations make all this possible. 01:41:04.340 --> 01:41:06.420 Thank you for watching and share this show. 01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:09.360 With everyone you know and I'll see you 01:41:09.360 --> 01:41:11.220 next week on the High Wire.