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Oh, why did you choose the name the pseudonym Edward Slav squat? 03:15.540 --> 03:23.040 It was a joke that I came up with with my friend the late great journalist Marco Mariano 03:23.040 --> 03:26.240 Which one fortunately passed away in August, but 03:26.920 --> 03:32.800 It was it was sort of a play on the whole Edward Snowden thing because we were both 03:32.800 --> 03:38.460 Very confused by the whole Edward Snowden narrative like where did this guy come from where did he go? 03:38.640 --> 03:42.920 He just like vanished into Russia somewhere and Slav squat is sort of an internet meme 03:42.920 --> 03:47.500 I don't know if you're familiar with like the gopnik meme of Eastern Europe 03:47.500 --> 03:53.960 But it's the guys in the adidas track suits who are chain smoking and drinking the beer and they're squatting like the physical 03:53.960 --> 03:57.480 You know when they're sitting there smoking. They're very nice people by the way. They're real 03:58.560 --> 04:03.500 So so I took on this moniker Edward Slav squat and that's when I started actually writing 04:04.060 --> 04:09.640 For Marco's website anti-empire about the COVID situation in Russia. That's the name 04:09.640 --> 04:11.900 I use because at the time I was actually working for 04:12.500 --> 04:16.480 RT so I decided to not use my real name for a while 04:17.400 --> 04:24.240 Okay, and you you look like like an orthodox monk and you're not but you've definitely got the beard 04:25.540 --> 04:27.780 Yeah, yeah, I I don't know 04:27.780 --> 04:33.600 I guess I've become very lazy and also on account of my balding. I'm very self-conscious 04:33.600 --> 04:37.740 I'm just trying to get as much hair as I can on my face. We have a bald off 04:37.740 --> 04:41.560 I yeah, I've got I've got the ponytail, which is just I mean it's 04:42.400 --> 04:46.180 It's shameful, but I can't I can't let go even though it's falling out every day 04:46.860 --> 04:53.520 You know, you know the the orthodox monks they sort of pride themselves on the more sort of matted and manky 04:53.520 --> 04:57.320 They look because they don't want to be thought to be vain, right? 04:57.780 --> 05:02.540 So so they have to look kind of right credit. I don't like you know, try to make it pretty 05:02.540 --> 05:09.100 I just let it grow, you know, and so you were you were in Russia. You're living in Russia for quite a while 05:10.040 --> 05:13.580 Yes, I was there for actually a little at this point 05:13.580 --> 05:19.700 By the time I left in August of last year is it was more than 10 years a little more than 10 years and 05:21.300 --> 05:25.500 So you're American. Yes, and you obviously speak Russian 05:26.160 --> 05:30.900 Yeah, I mean my Russian should be better than it is, but I can I can get by absolutely, right? 05:31.360 --> 05:35.440 And when when did you when did you learn it did you learn it for me? 05:35.520 --> 05:36.800 Or did you learn it sort of on the job? 05:37.020 --> 05:40.020 I learned it on the job when I came I first came to Russia 05:40.020 --> 05:43.740 You know a lot of people I think come to Russia for I don't know like 05:44.820 --> 05:51.380 Like religious reasons or they have sort of you know a bone to pick with their own horrible government and they see Russia 05:51.380 --> 05:57.180 Right, I sort of ended up in Russia by accident, you know, like I was just sort of a wandering 05:58.080 --> 06:04.400 20-something American who was trying to make it just just being basically a freeloader teaching English 06:04.400 --> 06:08.900 You know and I was in Czechia and I said I got to do something more interesting with my life 06:08.900 --> 06:13.400 And I found a job in Bashkortostan, which is a Republic within the Russian Federation 06:14.280 --> 06:18.640 And so I arrived in Russia. I didn't I was just sort of I had I was totally neutral, you know 06:18.640 --> 06:20.940 I didn't really I didn't really care that much about 06:21.560 --> 06:23.640 You know, I didn't come to Russia for specific reasons 06:23.640 --> 06:30.100 I just was there because I sounded interesting and so I had no background in anything Russia related didn't speak a lick of Russian 06:30.100 --> 06:34.660 I mean to be fair there are similarities between Czech and Russian and I knew a little bit of Czech 06:34.660 --> 06:41.300 But yeah, so I just learned it all on the job basically, right? Yeah, I should I should put my 06:42.320 --> 06:48.880 You have a rough idea of where I'm coming from because you've you've read some of my stuff. I I'd never been to 06:49.820 --> 06:50.860 Russia until 06:51.460 --> 06:57.380 Recently when I went on this this trip. Yeah paid for by the by the Moscow 06:58.540 --> 07:02.140 Patriarchate and and that the trip was was was for Christians 07:02.140 --> 07:06.160 So there was a there was some Catholics on the trip. There was a 07:07.020 --> 07:08.760 I don't know was some sort of 07:09.420 --> 07:13.820 Protestant guy and and and then there was me and we were 07:14.820 --> 07:16.920 looked after by a 07:18.900 --> 07:20.340 Friend of yours and 07:21.260 --> 07:22.940 it was it was 07:23.660 --> 07:26.940 Well, it was great. I mean I I wouldn't have gone to Russia 07:27.460 --> 07:33.680 Unless this this trip had happened cuz I go it's hot. It's a hard sell to your wife when you just say I've decided darling 07:33.680 --> 07:34.480 I'm gonna get a Russia 07:37.100 --> 07:44.140 Why but if if you've been invited you suddenly got your seat like that look what what can I do? 07:44.420 --> 07:46.220 I have to go and I 07:47.360 --> 07:53.640 Had a great time there. I mean I I was really taken by things like the 07:54.400 --> 08:00.980 The the the covered the covered markets that I think are all over all over the Russian cities 08:00.980 --> 08:03.500 We're with just the most amazing 08:04.180 --> 08:10.800 Produce I had no idea that the Russia had access to all this, you know raw milk and well, I mean they've got everything 08:10.800 --> 08:12.340 Haven't they they've got got got 08:12.980 --> 08:19.660 Because they've got so many different access to just to seas they've got things like camchatka crabs and they've got 08:19.660 --> 08:27.480 fish from the north and they've got all their all their river fish and and and they've got so much land and 08:27.480 --> 08:35.580 Also, I do I have to say love the orthodox church. I I just I went into some of those churches 08:36.500 --> 08:37.060 at 08:38.900 --> 08:40.160 What was it called? 08:40.880 --> 08:43.560 No, they don't call it master. They what what do they call it? 08:43.940 --> 08:44.500 the 08:45.560 --> 08:47.620 divine liturgy and 08:48.140 --> 08:55.100 The singing was amazing and the babushkas with their all the women with their with their and 08:55.940 --> 09:02.380 Also, I'm really into my Russian literature, which I'm fortunate. I've only read in translation, but I like my Tolstoy 09:02.380 --> 09:05.560 I like my Dostoevsky. I just think the Russian 09:06.440 --> 09:10.220 Novelists are the best in the world, but 09:10.880 --> 09:15.240 You're going to provide a corrective because I've had some massive 09:15.820 --> 09:17.820 Russa files on on the podcast 09:19.480 --> 09:20.000 and 09:20.000 --> 09:22.440 I've had some sort of anti 09:23.160 --> 09:27.980 Russa files as well. I'm sorry. Sorry. It's not anti Russa files. I'm Russa Phobes 09:27.980 --> 09:33.340 So you can sort of you can sort of put me right on on where I've got it wrong 09:33.340 --> 09:35.360 I mean am I am I wrong to love Russia? 09:36.180 --> 09:39.860 Absolutely not. I mean I I have many I mean 09:40.740 --> 09:44.520 Don't think that you could stay in Russia if you absolutely hated it, right? 09:45.020 --> 09:50.500 I mean, I basically agree with everything you just said. I mean, it's a first of all 09:50.500 --> 09:54.460 I would encourage anyone who has the means whether it's through invitation 09:54.460 --> 09:59.100 I mean, obviously, it's a lot easier to get there when a lot of the bureaucracy is sort of taking care 09:59.100 --> 10:02.420 You know, right? Like like really even when they want you to come 10:02.420 --> 10:06.020 Yeah, even when they want you to come it can be a huge headache 10:06.020 --> 10:10.660 So I totally get that and I think that if I you know, if anyone has that opportunity 10:10.660 --> 10:13.060 They should take it for any it doesn't matter, you know 10:13.060 --> 10:17.960 What the actual motive is of who's inviting you or whatever just go and see the country for yourself because? 10:18.500 --> 10:22.120 Yeah, I think that you'll be surprised and you it's a it's a wonderful 10:22.940 --> 10:24.880 Experience, you know like do it? 10:26.200 --> 10:29.100 Yeah, no, I mean look, it's it's an incredible 10:32.700 --> 10:35.240 Misunderstood beautiful, but also, you know 10:36.340 --> 10:42.100 Very sad, I would say also like Russia's got everything. It's like a it's like a Tolstoy novel. It really is 10:42.900 --> 10:48.360 Yeah, yeah, so I think it is funny that isn't it? It is it is 10:48.360 --> 10:52.020 I mean, I guess did a very good job of explaining his country 10:54.060 --> 10:56.480 Anna when I read Anna Karenina 10:56.480 --> 11:01.180 Mm-hmm. I realized that I was never going to read a novel better than this 11:01.180 --> 11:04.940 I think Anna Karenina is the best novels have been been been written 11:04.940 --> 11:12.860 And I totally identified with Lieven and his wanting to wanting to kind of live on the land and 11:12.860 --> 11:19.060 the wonderful scenes where they go duck shooting and and the scenes with the with the peasants and 11:19.480 --> 11:22.440 This was sort of born out when I when I I like the Russians 11:22.440 --> 11:28.700 I mean, okay, it's a terrible general generalization, but they're they're serious. They're deep 11:28.700 --> 11:33.480 They're cultured and these are these are valuable things 11:34.080 --> 11:40.360 You look you look at the West and you see I mean in a way, it's not the West fault 11:40.360 --> 11:46.100 It's the people who run the West the the the predator class or whatever you want to call them the people who are 11:46.620 --> 11:52.360 deliberately running down everything and destroying people's culture destroying people's 11:53.200 --> 11:55.200 community I use the word community, but 11:55.840 --> 12:01.320 the the elites are at war with us and 12:02.400 --> 12:06.420 You sort of when you get a Russia you feel that well 12:07.060 --> 12:10.680 One of the things I I quite liked is because they've lived so long under 12:11.420 --> 12:11.940 communism 12:13.080 --> 12:16.380 They're very suspicious of the state aren't they they don't 12:17.540 --> 12:20.480 In England people still bizarrely 12:20.480 --> 12:25.420 Imagine that they live in a democracy and and that by voting they can change stuff 12:25.420 --> 12:27.300 Whereas Russians 12:28.260 --> 12:31.600 I want to know I know it no illusions on that score 12:32.620 --> 12:37.500 Yeah, I would have I would I mean, of course, it's a generalization, but I basically completely agree 12:37.500 --> 12:40.840 I think that if you took your average Russian and probably compared them 12:40.840 --> 12:44.000 I've never been to the UK, but if you took your average Brit and your average Russian 12:44.000 --> 12:47.300 I'm sure that the Russian will be more jaded more suspicious of authority 12:48.420 --> 12:54.400 Like less, you know, they they would understand their place in the pecking order as opposed to the Brit 12:54.400 --> 13:01.720 Who would have these grand illusions of all my vote counts like I I have power, you know, yeah 13:02.480 --> 13:06.480 We're free. We live in a Western democracy and 13:06.930 --> 13:12.920 That I think there's this legacy attitude where well a we've been encouraged 13:13.720 --> 13:14.860 relentlessly to think of the 13:15.560 --> 13:19.100 Russians as a as a threat as a war threat 13:19.640 --> 13:23.960 We've been we I said by we I mean the sort of I suppose the British Empire 13:24.400 --> 13:25.240 have been 13:27.300 --> 13:32.740 Shafting the Russians since what there's since the beginning of the great game at least and probably probably earlier 13:32.740 --> 13:36.360 I mean, but I don't know what what what we were doing in the time of of say 13:36.940 --> 13:40.740 Catherine the Great, but it seems to me that for a long time 13:41.280 --> 13:42.580 Britain has seen 13:43.700 --> 13:45.220 Russia as a 13:46.280 --> 13:51.960 Geopolitical threat which must be destroyed which is pretty much what happened when 13:52.680 --> 13:54.140 the Milner group 13:55.160 --> 14:01.700 Arranged the First World War with with with two purposes one to destroy Germany and there's a sort of secondary 14:01.700 --> 14:09.760 Mission to destroy Russia and they funded the Russian revel that the Bolshevik Revolution, which was which was not really 14:11.180 --> 14:18.200 Carried out mainly by by Russians was it was a particular faction the Bolsheviks. I suppose were mainly mainly Jews 14:20.120 --> 14:21.980 There was a sort of 14:21.980 --> 14:27.820 Horrible sort of occultic things going on with that with that with the murder of the czar and so on and 14:28.920 --> 14:32.260 We're told that the Russians are baddies and the threats 14:32.260 --> 14:37.320 So I kind of feel for them as well as the sort of the underdog that we helped turn into an underdog 14:37.320 --> 14:38.600 Is that is that a fair assessment? 14:40.400 --> 14:44.920 Well, I mean, I guess I mean I would agree 14:46.040 --> 14:52.660 Broadly the I guess maybe where I see things a little bit differently is, you know, I do I do feel 14:52.660 --> 15:00.760 Horrible for the Russian people. They're leadership and elite. I really can't I mean again 15:00.760 --> 15:04.420 This is we can nitpick, but if we're talking broadly 15:05.300 --> 15:11.480 They're really not that different from the Western elite. Yes, you know, and so 15:11.480 --> 15:18.680 People I mean we can get into it and I'm I'm totally open to having the conversation about the differences 15:19.220 --> 15:23.760 Where you know and I understand the perspective of well, let's be pragmatic about this 15:23.760 --> 15:30.440 But really at the end of the day, I think that what we're witnessing is, you know, basically there's the it's like two 15:31.240 --> 15:37.720 Gangs you have like the you know the George bugs Moran's north side gang versus Al Capone Chicago outfit and 15:38.680 --> 15:43.020 People are being told that they should be rooting for one side or the other 15:43.020 --> 15:45.540 There maybe they're not all in it together 15:45.540 --> 15:50.180 But they're playing the same game and they're all thugs, you know and at the end of the day 15:50.180 --> 15:52.160 This is a system that 15:52.780 --> 15:58.560 Unapologetically destroys human life in the pursuit of money and power and so I think that a lot 15:58.560 --> 16:01.360 Unfortunately a lot of the narratives that we see that are very prevalent 16:02.200 --> 16:09.800 Both in the mainstream media and the so-called alternative media, it's basically just talking points for the peasantry 16:09.800 --> 16:15.700 So that they feel better about basically, you know being taking advantage of this 16:16.360 --> 16:17.340 international thuggery 16:18.080 --> 16:20.140 You haven't told me anything 16:20.800 --> 16:28.740 So far that I would I would quibble with because I've I've written about this. I said look, okay 16:29.280 --> 16:30.060 just because 16:30.660 --> 16:31.060 Putin 16:32.160 --> 16:36.440 Probably did have a pretty good Cassus Belly in in in Ukraine 16:36.440 --> 16:41.820 Yeah, and just because the Ukrainian regime are 16:42.460 --> 16:46.500 Nazi puppets of the Western deep state 16:47.220 --> 16:53.320 Doesn't mean that Putin is a goodie and and he's our guy fighting for freedom and 16:54.680 --> 16:59.620 Fighting fighting the new world order. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me 16:59.620 --> 17:01.800 But you can give me lots more lots more 17:02.420 --> 17:04.740 Detail on this you you were you were very good for example 17:05.540 --> 17:08.680 fighting this notion that a lot of I think 17:08.680 --> 17:11.780 Awake people had in the West that somehow 17:12.540 --> 17:13.060 Russia 17:13.780 --> 17:21.980 Responded differently to to COVID and and that they somehow the Sputnik vaccine was was 17:23.380 --> 17:28.080 Was was not as not as toxic as as the Moderna one and they 17:29.040 --> 17:35.540 All the different the Pfizer one. Yeah, an AstraZeneca. I mean they were just as bad, weren't they? 17:36.580 --> 17:42.780 Yeah, and well, I mean, I don't even I don't think we should even get too deep into it because it's just at this point 17:42.780 --> 17:47.540 I just consider it if you don't understand the basics at this point. I don't know what I can do for you 17:47.540 --> 17:53.280 But just very briefly, you know a Sputnik V was developed in cooperation with AstraZeneca 17:53.280 --> 17:58.180 So this whole time this whole meme of Sputnik V being like the anti big pharma vax 17:58.180 --> 18:03.520 It's so comically wrong like you can go to the Kremlin's website and read the transcript of a meeting between 18:03.520 --> 18:06.260 Vladimir Putin the CEO of AstraZeneca 18:06.260 --> 18:12.380 Alexander Ginsberg this total creep oh weirdo who allegedly claims who have developed Sputnik V and 18:12.380 --> 18:17.000 Trial Dimitri of who by the way is a you know a WEF young global leader 18:17.640 --> 18:24.940 Stanford Harvard grad who worked for Goldman Sachs and McKinsey and company the CEO of Russia's sovereign wealth fund who is now 18:24.940 --> 18:32.160 The head negotiator for the Ukraine talks, you know meeting with these super turbo patriots like Wittkopf and Kushner 18:32.160 --> 18:37.920 You know about deciding the fate of Ukraine. Anyway, these guys all meet together in you know, December 18:38.680 --> 18:46.100 2020 talking about how they should start to enjoin studies together between Sputnik V and AstraZeneca because they're basically identical 18:46.100 --> 18:50.740 You know, that's that's that's almost of verbatim quote from Alexander Ginsberg. They're so similar 18:50.740 --> 18:55.740 Why don't we start doing joint tests where you do one shot of Sputnik V and one shot of AstraZeneca? 18:55.860 --> 19:00.540 That'll be extra safe and effective. You know, it's so it's like it's so and the end 19:00.540 --> 19:03.740 I mean again, I don't even I don't even think it's necessary to get too deep into it 19:03.740 --> 19:06.980 But the vaccine thing is such a good example of how 19:07.660 --> 19:12.260 People are we're being played off each other because you know in Russia you had 19:12.900 --> 19:18.780 Like these liberals who didn't trust, you know, you had people who didn't trust the Sputnik V Vax 19:18.780 --> 19:20.420 So they wanted to get the Pfizer Vax 19:20.420 --> 19:27.000 They would go to the West to get shot up with Moderna and then you had Westerners who were like, I don't trust Pfizer Moderna 19:27.000 --> 19:29.960 I want to get Sputnik V and it's all the same 19:31.040 --> 19:36.600 Genetic group that hasn't been tested and no one knows what the hell it is. Yeah, it's just like come on 19:36.600 --> 19:44.400 Like it's just ridiculous and I mean, I suppose we're we're seeking the point of difference between the Laos and the Flea here 19:44.400 --> 19:48.080 But I I do know that that there was this 19:48.600 --> 19:52.360 weird trajectory of the of the AstraZeneca 19:53.000 --> 19:55.940 so-called vaccine where by 19:55.940 --> 20:03.060 There was an occasion at Wimbledon, I don't know whether you saw it where where the woman who'd been in charge of the of the 20:03.060 --> 20:08.380 The AstraZeneca vaccine was given a standing ovation 20:08.380 --> 20:13.180 Oh God, and I think she was made it made a dame and something and then 20:13.180 --> 20:16.900 About what a year later 18 months later 20:17.600 --> 20:23.080 AstraZeneca was was suddenly toxic and everyone was saying that they thought it did more damage 20:23.080 --> 20:29.340 That even than the Pfizer or the Moderna jabs. So if if the Sputnik V was based on the 20:30.000 --> 20:31.380 on the AstraZeneca 20:31.380 --> 20:36.160 That tells you all you need to know and how um, how 20:36.860 --> 20:42.700 Rigorous were they in Russia in enforcing this? How easy was it to not be jabbed? 20:43.440 --> 20:48.160 Well, so again, this is another misconception. Let's put it. Let's be charitable and use that word 20:48.160 --> 20:54.860 That many westerners have Russia absolutely had compulsory vaccination degrees that basically covered 20:54.860 --> 20:58.140 Blanketed the entire country and it was enforced in different ways 20:58.140 --> 21:01.460 So for example, it would be a situation where business 21:02.100 --> 21:07.000 Businesses were required to get like 60% of their employees vaccinated or if you were a university student 21:07.000 --> 21:14.620 You need to get vaccinated, you know by autumn of 2021. They basically almost every single region of Russia 21:15.360 --> 21:17.100 had some form of 21:17.100 --> 21:21.200 QR code coded health pass which is basically de facto 21:21.980 --> 21:24.920 compulsory vaccination because in order to you know, you have this 21:24.920 --> 21:29.080 You know this digital health pass that shows you've been vaccinated or yet to get 21:29.680 --> 21:35.220 PCR tested every 72 hours in order to enter a restaurant now. The truth is that 21:35.220 --> 21:41.360 In certain parts of Russia, but by far there were some very very it dependent on where you were basically 21:41.360 --> 21:46.960 Some regions and areas and cities enforced very strictly others were very lax about it 21:46.960 --> 21:54.080 Or the authority sort of looked the other way because they realized how damaging this was to the economy and like civilization itself 21:55.060 --> 22:02.920 And then also there was a very lively like black market in Russia for fake vaccine certificates fake PCR tests 22:02.920 --> 22:10.160 Yeah, you could just go onto telegram and find like you could just like order a fake PCR test for example, you know 22:11.100 --> 22:17.480 But like that's you know what to me that's not to me that shows like that's 22:18.000 --> 22:23.380 Thumbs up to the Russian people. It's not that does not reflect well on the Russian government 22:23.380 --> 22:28.600 The Russian government itself wanted this to happen, you know another thing I have to say and again 22:28.600 --> 22:34.140 There's this misconception that at least I've seen this idea put forward that all of these 22:34.140 --> 22:40.460 Policies were done at the regional level and Putin was secretly fighting it and he didn't want this to happen by 22:41.060 --> 22:46.120 December of 2021 the state Duma, so we're talking about the National Legislature 22:46.120 --> 22:46.780 Parliament 22:47.660 --> 22:49.500 Wanted to create a nationwide 22:50.140 --> 22:57.060 Health pass so instead of having these regional health passes you had one unified Russian health pass which was publicly endorsed by Putin 22:57.060 --> 23:01.080 He said, you know, I know a lot of people think that I should oppose this 23:01.080 --> 23:06.760 But it's my responsibility as president to keep everyone safe. Yeah, we need this we need this national health pass 23:06.760 --> 23:09.080 Which is de facto compulsory vaccination 23:10.040 --> 23:15.200 Required to do anything like to go to a shop to go to a hospital anything, you know go to school 23:15.920 --> 23:22.840 So what were the the regions that emerged with with credit here? What were where? 23:23.340 --> 23:24.820 Where was the resistance? 23:25.840 --> 23:28.160 Well, I would say that it was more like 23:28.880 --> 23:33.780 Probably like in far-flung areas of Siberia, right where it just didn't even make any sense 23:35.040 --> 23:38.740 Possibly I mean I to be honest, but I 23:38.740 --> 23:43.740 Remember very well, for example, they were they were sort of like flashes of resistance 23:43.740 --> 23:48.740 So for example in st. Petersburg, I forget the gentleman's name, but he was a business owner who owned 23:49.380 --> 23:55.280 Hookah lounges like he had us chain of hookah lounges in st. Petersburg and he said I'm not doing this 23:55.280 --> 23:58.100 I'm not I'm not doing the QR code thing 23:58.100 --> 24:01.580 I'm not gonna ask for QR codes at my hookah place and he was arrested 24:01.580 --> 24:07.920 He was he was charged with bribery with some made-up bribery scheme. He was arrested. I don't even know what happened to him 24:07.920 --> 24:12.080 But yeah, the FSB nabbed him there were also, you know in Moscow 24:12.920 --> 24:15.300 Again, and this is to the credit of the Russian people 24:15.980 --> 24:17.340 Moscow is the first 24:18.080 --> 24:22.120 city to adopt some form of QR code at health pass in the summer of 24:22.120 --> 24:26.280 2021 and basically Russians's boycotted it and so 24:26.280 --> 24:32.700 Subyanin who's the mayor of Moscow had to drop the QR code thing after about like two and a half weeks because 24:33.400 --> 24:38.980 Restaurants were closing like and like the economy was collapsing, you know, so 24:39.840 --> 24:42.060 Yeah, I mean like I in that sense 24:42.060 --> 24:48.100 It was a privilege to live in Russia because a lot of Russians just didn't trust they knew they knew that it was 24:48.100 --> 24:51.960 This was nonsense, you know, and so that was great 24:52.440 --> 24:57.240 But I didn't I didn't feel safe. It wasn't the Russian government that made me. No, no, it was 24:57.240 --> 25:01.220 Yeah, yes, but but don't knock it 25:01.220 --> 25:05.940 I mean that is that what you're describing there is a wonderful thing and I did it's it's great 25:05.940 --> 25:11.740 And I think to be fair on the awake people who are pro-Russia 25:11.740 --> 25:17.280 I think most of them see that they see that distinction. They're not cheering on 25:17.900 --> 25:20.440 Well, actually some of them are well some of them are cheering 25:20.440 --> 25:23.680 Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry to say but some of them are just lying 25:23.680 --> 25:31.560 Some of them are claiming that the Russian government like saw through it all and we're just playing along and nothing bad happened 25:31.560 --> 25:35.460 Five five D chess that exactly it's just it's just not true 25:35.460 --> 25:42.200 And you if you want the evidence for that all you have to do is look at the actual human toll of COVID during in Russia 25:42.200 --> 25:48.340 In 2021 Russia saw the largest natural population decline since the end of World War two 25:48.340 --> 25:52.600 It was more than a million people and so you factor in just normal deaths 25:52.600 --> 25:57.700 Plus probably what was can be attributed to public health policies that actually just murdered people 25:57.700 --> 26:01.360 We're talking about several hundred thousand people were killed within a year 26:01.560 --> 26:04.220 Because yeah that by the vaccine 26:04.220 --> 26:07.340 Well, we don't know we don't know because also Russia 26:07.340 --> 26:14.000 I mean if you think that transparency was bad in the West Russia didn't even pretend to have any publicly available 26:14.000 --> 26:19.880 Information about post-vaccination complications. My theory though is that okay? It could be from vaccination complications 26:19.880 --> 26:23.040 But also just like in the West Russia completely 26:24.000 --> 26:28.940 Reformat its entire healthcare system to fight COVID so people with cancer were just like thrown to the streets 26:28.940 --> 26:32.620 Everyone had COVID you would get the you know, they have these things called 26:33.440 --> 26:41.120 Like like the red the red wards where you would you were said that you just take like old people with Alzheimer's or you know 26:41.120 --> 26:47.380 Dementia who had no one to take care of they would grab them give them a PCR test say that they had COVID throw them 26:47.380 --> 26:50.920 Into this ward where no one was allowed to visit them. They were pumped full of 26:50.920 --> 26:58.000 Disgusting medications and just left to die, you know possibly Medaza lamb. Do you think that Russia bought some of that? 26:58.000 --> 26:59.920 It was um, I 26:59.920 --> 27:04.880 Forget that it was it was one of those horrible drugs that they claim was fighting COVID 27:04.880 --> 27:06.980 Which Russia was also using 27:07.780 --> 27:11.660 Anyway, it's like it it's the same. It was the same playbook, you know 27:11.660 --> 27:14.120 It was absolutely the same playbook that we saw everywhere else in the world 27:15.140 --> 27:17.420 Yes. Yes. Do you? 27:18.440 --> 27:19.200 do you 27:19.200 --> 27:21.660 How much autonomy does 27:21.660 --> 27:26.820 Does Putin have because of course in the mainstream media in the West? 27:27.740 --> 27:29.680 Everything is Putin that Putin this 27:30.400 --> 27:32.880 He is puttler. He is he is 27:34.820 --> 27:41.700 And I've spoken to other people. Well, you must know Yuri Roscoe. Oh, yeah 27:41.700 --> 27:47.680 Yeah, and Yuri told me a while back when I went to Moldova. He said 27:48.260 --> 27:51.000 Putin is just the creature of 27:51.800 --> 27:59.460 Hubbard of of the oligarchs of of Israel of he's not he's not this he has no autonomy 27:59.460 --> 28:00.740 Is that true? 28:01.820 --> 28:07.900 Well, yeah, I love the way that Roscoe talks about Putin like I've I've interviewed him 28:07.900 --> 28:13.140 I do written interviews and I've I've I've begged him to answer some of my questions a few times now 28:13.140 --> 28:19.440 And the way that Roscoe explains Putin, he says, you know, Putin is not the puttler that we hear about in the West 28:19.440 --> 28:25.660 He's not this bloodthirsty monster. He's also not the turbo patriot that you read about in so-called 28:25.660 --> 28:29.000 Alternative media. He's actually just this very mediocre 28:29.680 --> 28:33.520 Careerist Paul. He's just like Macron, but he's Russian Macron, you know 28:33.520 --> 28:37.040 And and the and the cultural differences are real, but that's because it's Russia 28:37.040 --> 28:43.420 You know, you can't like you can't have fried parades in downtown Moscow because it's Russia, but but you know, it's like 28:44.580 --> 28:47.680 Yeah, like like Putin serves 28:48.340 --> 28:50.040 Certain moneyed interests 28:50.040 --> 28:57.700 He and the thing that Roscoe also points out, which is absolutely correct is that Putin is guided by a merchant mentality 28:57.700 --> 29:00.280 Which is true basically every world leader 29:00.940 --> 29:03.840 Yeah, he serves moneyed interests. He 29:04.460 --> 29:07.540 His entire agenda. I mean the top priority is 29:08.300 --> 29:12.960 Making money for the rich people and helping preserve that money and power, you know by extension 29:13.420 --> 29:17.500 And we see that very very clearly by the way in what has occurred 29:18.180 --> 29:23.660 During the so-called special military operation, even how it's being negotiated the so, you know 29:23.660 --> 29:28.100 Though hopefully negotiated end of this ridiculous conflict is so 29:28.530 --> 29:34.740 Economic focused for a very good reason because at the end of the day, this is just this is just business 29:34.740 --> 29:40.580 Yeah, and so and so Putin in that sense, you know, he of course also 29:41.980 --> 29:48.400 There's a huge amount of time money and energy put towards basically presenting Putin as a certain, you know 29:48.400 --> 29:50.220 You know in a certain way to 29:50.220 --> 29:55.080 Patrons but that that's just all for public consumption, you know, like you got it. You got to make everything 29:56.400 --> 29:59.420 Digestible, so yeah, you know, that's that's what it is 29:59.420 --> 30:03.520 And in that sense, he's no different from any other politician and I really mean this 30:03.520 --> 30:09.160 I don't consider him to be worse than than anyone else, but certainly not better, you know, so yeah 30:09.160 --> 30:14.020 Yeah, now you took issue when I said look 30:15.540 --> 30:22.040 One of the great things about about Russia is at least you haven't got to put up with with net zero now 30:22.460 --> 30:26.600 I mean you haven't been to the UK, but I can tell you we have we now have 30:26.600 --> 30:28.100 The highest 30:28.720 --> 30:33.060 Energy costs in in Europe. We have this insane 30:33.780 --> 30:38.680 Apparachik, I think he's a I think he's an asset rather than a handler 30:38.680 --> 30:41.080 I don't he there's something sort of so 30:41.700 --> 30:47.340 Dissingenuous about him that I don't think he's I don't think he's cunning. I just think he's being used 30:48.280 --> 30:49.720 a guy called 30:49.720 --> 30:54.920 Ed Miliband who's in charge of our energy policy and he wants to 30:55.500 --> 31:02.740 Fill the North Sea with with wind windmills and carpet the land with windmills and force everyone to have solar panels on 31:02.740 --> 31:04.720 their their roofs and and 31:05.260 --> 31:07.420 Everything is getting a lot more expensive 31:09.500 --> 31:11.940 So from from that perspective 31:12.500 --> 31:17.560 Russia looks pretty get great because because it's it's an energy where you've got 31:18.400 --> 31:21.060 You've got no shortage of gas and oil 31:22.660 --> 31:28.400 And surely you're not going to tell me that it that it costs more to heat your home in in Russia 31:28.400 --> 31:32.220 Or to order or to drive your car in Russia than it does in the UK 31:33.540 --> 31:36.380 Well, I don't know what the prices are in the UK right now 31:36.380 --> 31:41.520 But actually petrol prices in Russia have been skyrocketing. They might still be cheaper than in the UK 31:41.520 --> 31:47.360 I I couldn't tell you but you know, I guess that if we're talking about sort of energy independence 31:47.360 --> 31:51.120 Yeah, paper obviously Russia is I mean Russia has everything 31:52.400 --> 31:58.660 Russia could could in theory could theoretically just shut its borders and just live on what it has 31:59.700 --> 32:03.200 Naturally for for time immemorial the problem of course is that Russia? 32:03.960 --> 32:11.520 Doesn't hasn't actually developed a lot of these resources to be used domestically. It's uh, it just exports them all, you know 32:11.520 --> 32:13.020 It's the world's 32:13.020 --> 32:18.580 You know conveyor belt for natural resources and the entire economic policy that has developed 32:19.280 --> 32:24.540 Under Putin is the this idea that we export our raw materials to the West 32:24.540 --> 32:28.600 They they make the stuff and then they send it back to Russia and we buy it 32:28.660 --> 32:35.500 You even have this stuff even with lumber even with lumber you can find incredible quotes from Putin himself saying 32:36.160 --> 32:39.020 He's he's talking about how he's surprised that 32:39.020 --> 32:43.220 Russia is importing, you know, like wooden 32:44.260 --> 32:49.020 Boards from China, you know, and this wood is coming from Russia, right? It's exported to China 32:49.020 --> 32:56.320 China, you know turns it into boards and sends it back to Russia. It's like, what are we doing? Like this is madness. Yes 32:56.320 --> 32:57.020 Yeah 32:57.820 --> 32:58.480 um 32:59.260 --> 32:59.760 so 33:00.480 --> 33:03.520 the life of a kind of say you're a sort of 33:04.200 --> 33:07.240 Say you want a kind of middle-class life 33:07.820 --> 33:08.520 with 33:09.060 --> 33:10.320 Not too much 33:10.860 --> 33:12.200 nonsense from the government 33:13.540 --> 33:22.300 How how far is that possible to achieve in Russia? Or are you constantly aware of of the dead hand of the state? 33:22.980 --> 33:23.400 ruining everything 33:25.500 --> 33:26.000 I 33:26.000 --> 33:28.140 Would say that it's a again 33:28.140 --> 33:33.620 It's a difficult question to answer because it will depend on lot on what sort of industry you're in 33:33.620 --> 33:40.960 I mean, for example, if you own a business you absolutely are gonna be dealing with all sorts of 33:41.480 --> 33:41.960 bureaucratic 33:42.540 --> 33:48.120 Nonsense, I mean I've heard this even from Russians who are very patriotic and proud of their country 33:48.120 --> 33:51.940 They a hundred percent the first thing they'll tell you is how difficult it is 33:52.460 --> 33:58.960 To be an entrepreneur in Russia just because the country is so based on like nepotism 33:58.960 --> 34:03.760 And like you have to go through so many hoops just to do the simplest thing and at the end of the day 34:03.760 --> 34:07.200 It's just like who you know, which of course again, it's really not that different 34:08.160 --> 34:12.120 From basically anywhere in the world, but it's doubly bad in Russia. I would say 34:12.120 --> 34:18.200 For example, though you talk about like in the United States now that I'm back in my wonderful 34:19.520 --> 34:26.840 Homeland, you know, like you have a solid middle class of basically, you know, like lawyers and doctors, right who can 34:27.700 --> 34:30.140 Overcharge you for everything and live very comfortably 34:32.700 --> 34:39.600 Do the opposite of everything they're supposed to do for you and then take your money in Russia like a 34:40.480 --> 34:44.980 Salaries for doctors are almost non-existent. Like there's a huge problem with creating 34:45.600 --> 34:46.600 like a functioning 34:48.320 --> 34:49.280 class of 34:49.280 --> 34:53.540 Medical professionals and all sorts of other people just because salaries are so incredibly low 34:53.540 --> 35:00.360 Like the the people who are making money are working, you know in oil fields, basically they do these rotations 35:00.360 --> 35:05.560 You know where they fly out to somewhere in Siberia and work for 30 days non-stop 35:05.560 --> 35:09.980 And then it's like it's a rotation thing, you know, and that's where that's where a lot of people make their money 35:09.980 --> 35:14.160 But um, yeah, like it's hard. I mean I again 35:14.160 --> 35:19.160 I think it's I don't want to over generalize it without having like all the data in front of me, but 35:19.660 --> 35:25.440 Yeah, like I think that the middle class in Russia probably suffers at least as much as the middle class everywhere else 35:25.440 --> 35:30.420 I mean, everyone is living hand-to-mouth basically as far as I can tell like in the United States and Russia 35:30.420 --> 35:31.880 I'm assuming in the UK 35:33.280 --> 35:38.480 Life is expensive, you know, like inflation never ends all of our currencies are 35:38.480 --> 35:46.200 Totally debased and becoming increasingly more useless salaries don't rise with the cost of everyday staple necessities 35:46.200 --> 35:47.580 Yeah, it sucks 35:49.340 --> 35:54.240 Yeah, well, I suppose this is all the New World Order, isn't it? I mean, it's not like 35:54.240 --> 36:01.200 When when they whoever they are planning their New World Order, they're not gonna go well, we're gonna have one 36:01.880 --> 36:03.640 We're gonna have the Western world 36:03.640 --> 36:08.480 Which is gonna be one thing and we're gonna let the Russians and the Chinese do what they want 36:08.480 --> 36:12.080 They're all in on it. Aren't they just to the highest levels? 36:13.340 --> 36:15.840 Yeah, you know again, I don't like I 36:18.120 --> 36:21.980 Agree again, I agree, but again, I think like I 36:22.680 --> 36:24.780 Guess that what I'm trying to figure out is you know 36:24.780 --> 36:29.360 I criticism that I receive is like oh this guy just says like they're all in together 36:29.360 --> 36:32.300 And it's just like so vague and what does he know blah blah blah? 36:32.300 --> 36:36.780 You know on a certain level actually I think that's a totally valid criticism 36:36.780 --> 36:40.280 I don't think that we should rely too much on these generalizations 36:40.780 --> 36:43.060 But again, I would go back to my like mafia 36:43.860 --> 36:49.480 You know a metaphor like maybe they're not they're not they're in they're all in on together in the sense 36:49.480 --> 36:54.880 They're all playing the same game, you know, like they're all they're all playing by the same rules and in that sense 36:54.880 --> 36:58.220 like you don't like for example, you you have a 36:59.320 --> 37:02.980 Feud between two, you know drug cartels fighting over territory 37:04.060 --> 37:06.960 It's against the rules to go snitching to the cops, right? 37:07.200 --> 37:11.620 Like sometimes it happens, but you're not supposed to do that and if you do you get killed, right? 37:11.680 --> 37:14.760 Yeah, and so they're all they're all playing the same game 37:14.760 --> 37:22.740 And so when you're told to support one side or the other you have to realize that you're just supporting one side of the 37:22.740 --> 37:27.100 Same game and you know just like you know to continue with the analogy 37:27.700 --> 37:33.140 You know like Al Capone would hire newspaper men to to play up how he gave, you know 37:33.140 --> 37:38.500 A carton of milk to some orphanage or you know, like make like oh, he was such a nice guy 37:38.500 --> 37:44.940 Like he was he really cared about the community and you know at the end of the day is to cut throat businessmen, you know 37:44.940 --> 37:48.780 Yeah, it's like it's like JD Rockefeller handing out 37:48.780 --> 37:53.980 Dying. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Like here you go. Here's your little tenny 37:53.980 --> 37:54.860 All everyone 37:56.980 --> 37:58.080 Posterity remembers 37:58.980 --> 38:03.620 Everyone's got a personal memory of the day that kindly mr. Burns 38:05.500 --> 38:07.420 Gave them a gave them a dime 38:08.260 --> 38:12.860 Exactly, exactly, you know and so you just have to try to realize that 38:13.440 --> 38:17.040 The way that we like perceive world events and world leaders 38:17.040 --> 38:23.780 I guess specifically like so much of it is just marketing and you just have to take a step back and realize like 38:23.780 --> 38:26.320 So many of these narratives are just for 38:26.320 --> 38:32.080 Like peasant consumption and at the higher level there are things going on 38:32.080 --> 38:36.640 I mean the SMO is such a good example of this because the narratives are so 38:37.180 --> 38:44.460 Emotionally charged and so like ideologically driven, but then at the same time you have Russia until the start of 38:44.460 --> 38:50.380 2025 paying Ukraine to transit its gas across the territory of Ukraine to sell to the EU 38:50.380 --> 38:56.060 Which is then giving Ukraine weapons to kill Russians like it doesn't make any sense 38:56.060 --> 38:58.200 Like it's so absurd and obscene 38:58.200 --> 39:03.800 So you have like this idea like oh Nazi Ukraine. We got a kill Zelensky the horrible Nazi thug they okay great 39:03.800 --> 39:05.140 But why are you paying him? 39:05.680 --> 39:11.760 Why are you filling his coffers with with rubles or whatever to transit gas across the territory of Ukraine as 39:11.760 --> 39:14.140 Ukrainians and Russians are vaporizing each other 39:14.740 --> 39:15.260 Yes 39:15.260 --> 39:20.400 Yes, I I've heard that I think it was from from from Yuri 39:20.400 --> 39:21.800 then that 39:21.800 --> 39:24.600 The deal has been struck whereby 39:25.180 --> 39:30.060 Putin is not allowed to take out Zelensky Zelensky is completely 39:30.700 --> 39:36.400 Bulletproof he told that was that's from an interview. I think it's with the former prime minister of Israel 39:37.100 --> 39:41.980 Bennett from remembering correctly and he said in an interview. I think with the Guardian that 39:42.780 --> 39:46.420 Putin reassured him that he would never that he wouldn't touch Zelensky 39:48.860 --> 39:55.180 Global warming is a massive calm. There was no evidence whatsoever 39:55.700 --> 40:02.960 That man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us that we need to amend our lifestyle 40:02.960 --> 40:05.600 In order to deal with it. It's a non-existent problem 40:05.600 --> 40:11.080 But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends? 40:11.340 --> 40:17.160 Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book 40:17.760 --> 40:21.620 Watermelons which captures the story of how 40:22.100 --> 40:28.580 Some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to 40:28.580 --> 40:32.940 fleece you to take away your freedoms to take away your land 40:33.720 --> 40:34.940 It's a shocking story 40:35.340 --> 40:41.000 I wrote it as I say in well 2011 actually the first edition came out 40:41.000 --> 40:46.140 And it's a snapshot of a particular era the era when 40:46.560 --> 40:51.720 The people behind the chime climate change scan got caught red-handed 40:52.300 --> 40:53.440 Tinkering with the data 40:53.440 --> 40:59.140 Torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen climate gate 40:59.140 --> 41:06.360 So I give you the background to to the skull jugglery that went on in in these seats of learning where these supposed 41:06.900 --> 41:09.020 Experts were informing us. We've got to act now 41:09.540 --> 41:14.820 I rumbled their their scan. I then asked the question. Okay, if it is a scan 41:15.460 --> 41:18.120 Who's doing this and and why? 41:18.740 --> 41:19.580 It's a good story 41:20.100 --> 41:25.160 I I've kept the the original book pretty much as is but I've written two 41:25.160 --> 41:29.040 New chapters one at the beginning and one at the end 41:29.040 --> 41:33.080 Explaining how it's even worse than we thought 41:33.700 --> 41:36.920 I think it's a good. I think it still stands up. I think it's it's a good read 41:37.480 --> 41:40.340 Obviously I'm biased, but I'd recommend it. You can buy it from 41:40.920 --> 41:42.820 james delingpole.co.uk 41:43.560 --> 41:44.580 forward slash shop 41:44.580 --> 41:49.620 But you're probably fine that might just go to my website and look for it james delingpole.co.uk 41:50.400 --> 41:53.460 And I hope it helps keep you informed 41:53.960 --> 41:57.820 And gives you the material you need to bring around all those 41:58.340 --> 42:05.340 People who are still persuaded that oh, it's a disaster. We must amend our ways and appease the gods appease mother god 42:05.340 --> 42:07.240 everyday, it's a scam 42:11.000 --> 42:11.560 Yes 42:12.240 --> 42:16.920 Yes, I I I I've heard that I think it was from from um from urie 42:16.920 --> 42:20.940 The the the the deal has been struck whereby 42:21.560 --> 42:23.840 Putin is not allowed to take out 42:24.360 --> 42:26.420 Zelensky Zelensky is completely 42:27.080 --> 42:32.920 Bulletproof he told that was that's from an interview. I think it's with the former prime minister of israel 42:33.480 --> 42:37.120 Bennett if I'm remembering correctly and he said in an interview 42:37.120 --> 42:42.780 I think with the guardian that uh, putin reshared him that he would never that he wouldn't touch zelensky 42:44.220 --> 42:45.500 yeah, so 42:45.500 --> 42:47.520 Because obviously 42:48.520 --> 42:50.180 Okay, so there is the 42:51.060 --> 42:58.020 On the smo. There is the narrative in the mainstream media, which I notice more and more 42:58.800 --> 43:01.180 is so heavily controlled by 43:02.460 --> 43:06.740 What mi6? I mean it might as well be be repeating 43:08.980 --> 43:10.560 mi6 press releases 43:10.560 --> 43:14.060 Frankly and and and that narrative has it 43:14.700 --> 43:15.180 Putler 43:16.000 --> 43:22.720 Is is evil, right? He's he's hell-bent on conquest. That's why he took the Crimea 43:22.720 --> 43:26.880 And that's why he invaded this innocent 43:27.500 --> 43:29.440 sovereign state country full of 43:29.440 --> 43:35.280 Gambling lambs and innocent beautiful golden-haired children who all they wanted was peace 43:35.900 --> 43:41.760 And and it was a lovely country ukraine not at all controlled by the cia since 1948 43:42.610 --> 43:43.920 No Nazis anywhere 43:44.850 --> 43:47.020 And zelensky and his magnificent 43:47.680 --> 43:51.280 Zelensky green t-shirt is a statesman 43:51.280 --> 43:56.260 And he's extraordinary and and we must send more 43:56.260 --> 44:03.760 Storm shadow missiles so that we can take out all those evil russians who are so you get this narrative and and 44:03.760 --> 44:06.120 Oh, yeah, and the the butcher 44:06.720 --> 44:07.180 massacre 44:07.950 --> 44:09.720 What we're told was carried out by 44:10.340 --> 44:11.780 To evil terrible russias 44:11.780 --> 44:15.500 And then you get the alternative 44:15.920 --> 44:20.740 Kind of awake persons in the west take on on this which is this is all bollocks 44:20.740 --> 44:27.040 It's an smo that that that uh, it follows the color revolution carried out in 2014 44:27.840 --> 44:29.780 funded by george soros 44:29.780 --> 44:31.040 planned by 44:31.560 --> 44:34.720 victoria newland newlander people like that and it that 44:35.440 --> 44:41.840 Often often people with sort of caesarean beef with with the right ancestral beef with the russians and 44:41.840 --> 44:43.360 and um 44:44.000 --> 44:44.280 that 44:44.940 --> 44:48.980 The reason that russia didn't didn't take care for it's because that was never the plan 44:48.980 --> 44:54.080 They want to just just keep the donbas and to protect the russian-speaking peoples and stuff 44:54.080 --> 44:57.520 And the russians are running rings around the ukranians yada yada yada 44:57.520 --> 45:01.700 So you get this massively anti russian narrative in the mainstream 45:02.380 --> 45:02.660 yeah 45:03.440 --> 45:09.560 Pretty strongly pro russian narrative in the oh, we're we also of course those of us who 45:10.460 --> 45:14.060 value facts know that boris johnson was 45:14.940 --> 45:15.500 dispatched 45:16.100 --> 45:17.300 in order to 45:18.120 --> 45:23.100 Sabotage the mince one and minx two agreement agreements which would have brought this war 45:23.100 --> 45:25.420 To an end which is which is killing 45:26.100 --> 45:30.900 Boys from both sides, you know, they're all being massacred in the meat grinder. No one wants them to die 45:30.900 --> 45:35.400 So boris johnson has blood on his hands and and his mysterious backer 45:35.400 --> 45:41.020 I think paid him a million pounds to participate in this so we get all that but 45:41.700 --> 45:43.440 The war goes on 45:45.260 --> 45:47.080 Tell me what's what's really happening 45:48.520 --> 45:55.660 Look, I mean when I write about the slmo which I have been openly critical of since before even started actually 45:55.660 --> 46:00.560 But I've never hidden my opposition to this conflict and the reason why I 46:00.900 --> 46:03.020 Opposed it was because 46:03.620 --> 46:05.660 You have to realize okay 46:06.260 --> 46:13.540 Like I when I when I when I try to interpret what's happening or how effective this smo has been 46:13.540 --> 46:20.260 I try to take the kremlin's perspective. I say, okay, this is what the russian government said it wanted to accomplish in ukraine 46:20.260 --> 46:23.080 Like these are the motives. This is what 46:24.000 --> 46:24.760 provoked it 46:25.540 --> 46:29.200 As you know from the kremlin's perspective. This is what they're saying. This is their mindset 46:29.980 --> 46:30.280 Um 46:31.080 --> 46:40.020 And you have to recognize that all the problems that needed to be solved before february of 2022 are like a thousand times worse 46:40.540 --> 46:45.080 Now after four years of war. So, you know, like the like for example 46:46.460 --> 46:52.320 One of the biggest, you know beefs that the kremlin allegedly had against the west was 46:52.960 --> 46:54.200 NATO's eastward expansion 46:54.980 --> 46:57.700 NATO has expanded over the last four years 46:58.360 --> 47:02.860 The the militarization of ukraine and ukraine's relationship with nato has 47:03.460 --> 47:08.480 Grown by I don't even know if there's a multiplier large enough to describe 47:08.480 --> 47:15.300 How much more militarized and nato integrated ukraine is compared to when before this war started 47:15.300 --> 47:22.460 So unfortunately like the way that I view this and and to go even a step further and this goes beyond, you know 47:23.300 --> 47:24.040 nato even 47:24.040 --> 47:24.800 Uh 47:25.320 --> 47:29.260 It's so tragic that you have a situation where you had really two 47:29.880 --> 47:34.440 Brotherly peoples, you know part of basically the same sort of civilizational concept 47:34.440 --> 47:38.800 That are now going to be permanently like we're talking about a permanent divorce at this point 47:38.800 --> 47:41.420 I mean it will take a very very long time 47:42.040 --> 47:45.680 For russians and ukrainians to come to terms with with what has occurred 47:45.680 --> 47:46.480 Of course 47:46.480 --> 47:49.080 The problem started long before the sml 47:49.080 --> 47:54.120 But the sml it totally exacerbated all these problems and made it much much more difficult 47:54.680 --> 47:59.100 To come to some kind of common understanding and try to like forgive each other 47:59.940 --> 48:04.540 It's like it's really really bad and what you have to realize is that 48:05.080 --> 48:12.420 The kremlin perspective on this like like you have an interview that I've cited several times with sergey lavrov russia's foreign minister 48:13.300 --> 48:18.240 2018 is giving this interview right to russians media and the russian journalist says 48:18.240 --> 48:25.400 This is 2018, you know, we should recognize uh, donetsk and lugansk as independent 48:26.180 --> 48:31.660 And uh, yeah, like why don't we do that and lavrov says them? Okay. So what happens after that? 48:32.400 --> 48:39.960 The journalist replies then we defend this territory like we send in russian troops to protect donetsk and lugansk 48:40.460 --> 48:45.840 And lavrov says like that people say that but they don't understand what they're actually saying 48:45.840 --> 48:49.200 What they're actually saying is that if we went to war with ukraine if we sent 48:49.200 --> 48:53.920 Russian troops into donetsk and lugansk and declared them independent and separate from ukraine 48:53.920 --> 48:59.340 We lose the rest of ukraine forever like you are you are severing the country 48:59.900 --> 49:07.640 Along that line and the rest of ukraine is now in the sphere of the collective west or the satanic nato 49:07.640 --> 49:11.920 You know cabalas or whatever you want to call it like you lose you lose 49:12.580 --> 49:19.120 This part of ukraine which used to be part of you know, like it's no longer part of the russian world on any level 49:19.680 --> 49:20.120 um 49:20.120 --> 49:24.320 And that's like we are witnessing that but the problem is 49:24.320 --> 49:28.300 To make it even worse like lavrov saw the worst-case scenario 49:28.300 --> 49:31.660 But it's we're actually in a situation that's worse than the worst-case scenario 49:31.660 --> 49:37.420 Envisioned by lavrov because russia hasn't actually taken donetsk and lugansk like all of donetsk yet 49:37.420 --> 49:41.000 Which means that there's gonna have to be like some very painful negotiations 49:41.650 --> 49:45.380 In order like in order to get these territories that are still under ukraine control 49:45.380 --> 49:49.000 You either gonna have to have much much more bloodshed and devastation 49:49.000 --> 49:55.160 Or they're gonna have to make some very painful compromises and let's not also forget that uh, ukraine still occupies 49:55.160 --> 50:01.340 Uh, her son in zeperozha the two these are cities of what russia declared as 50:01.960 --> 50:06.320 regions of the russian federation that are under control of ukraine 50:06.320 --> 50:13.720 So how are you getting those back right like like there doesn't seem to be uh acknowledgement, you know every day i read 50:13.720 --> 50:19.600 You know i see the headlines from our beautiful alternative media about how you know russia's kicking ass in ukraine 50:19.600 --> 50:22.920 And making all these incredible advances. We're talking about advances of like 50:23.660 --> 50:29.960 You know five kilometers in a region that russia needs to take at a bare minimum 50:29.960 --> 50:33.360 In order to accomplish anything, you know worthwhile in ukraine 50:33.360 --> 50:35.960 But the reality is when this conflict ends 50:36.640 --> 50:42.740 ukraine is now totally in the west sphere of influence like there can be no more discussion 50:43.180 --> 50:50.560 About ukraine being part of the russian world anymore and that like that goes beyond geopolitics that goes beyond, you know, whatever 50:50.560 --> 50:58.340 Weird website you're reading about 5d chess like that's really painful for a lot of russians and ukranians who have family 50:58.340 --> 51:00.020 You know and in both sides like 51:00.020 --> 51:02.740 It was like a common 51:03.340 --> 51:09.040 A common people at one point and now they've been they've been sliced in half by this horrific 51:10.160 --> 51:13.160 Catastrophic conflict, which yes it did begin 51:13.840 --> 51:19.260 Long before the smo but again the smo did not achieve like it didn't actually 51:20.100 --> 51:25.100 Fix any of the problems that it was supposed to fix in fact it accomplished everything that it was supposed to prevent 51:25.100 --> 51:32.320 Which is nato expansion the massive militarization of ukraine the formation of ukraine to a permanent anti russia 51:32.780 --> 51:40.540 Like it's really really tragic what we're witnessing and it's it's shocking to me that um, you don't really hear a lot in 51:40.540 --> 51:43.100 So-called independent media like you never get the 51:43.800 --> 51:45.640 Like war what is it good for? 51:46.280 --> 51:51.280 Argument in independent media you only hear like ukraine is stupid for fighting this war 51:51.280 --> 51:53.080 Like looks like raw raw 51:53.080 --> 51:54.320 You know russia 51:54.320 --> 52:00.900 But the reality is that this every day this work goes on makes it much much more difficult for russia to achieve anything 52:00.900 --> 52:03.500 And the cost has already been so so high 52:04.060 --> 52:05.460 If you'll allow me though 52:05.460 --> 52:07.720 Actually, I was thinking about this 52:07.720 --> 52:11.760 I mean thinking about this topic a lot uh recently because we're coming up to 52:12.300 --> 52:15.300 The uh, we're almost entering the fifth year of this conflict 52:15.300 --> 52:20.740 Which means that it's lasted longer than the great patriotic war right like it's it's lasted longer than operation 52:21.280 --> 52:23.980 Russia the invasion of the soviet union ending with 52:24.500 --> 52:29.740 You know, soviet soldiers raising the flag over the Reichstag like that's how long this thing has been going on 52:29.740 --> 52:35.220 I was thinking about like how insane the last four years have been and I was reminded of this 52:35.220 --> 52:38.420 Gentleman alexa mosgvoy. I don't know if you ever heard of him 52:38.420 --> 52:43.480 He was the leader of the prizerok brigade the ghost brigade. He was one of the original militias 52:44.100 --> 52:49.360 Uh that that sort of rose up against the sort of my dawn government in don bass 52:49.360 --> 52:53.200 So we're talking about like 2014 2015 and there's this amazing 52:54.020 --> 52:58.440 Like letter. Actually, I think it was probably segments of a diary that was sort of compiled 52:58.440 --> 53:03.020 I got to read some of this to you because it touches on so many things. We've spoken about today 53:03.480 --> 53:09.800 Um, and so I by the way, mosgvoy was assassinated in 2015 very strange circumstances 53:10.260 --> 53:14.700 Totally different story. But anyway, this is what mosgvoy says. Okay. This is a 2015. Listen 53:14.700 --> 53:15.960 He says brothers 53:15.960 --> 53:20.680 I see how our enemies having divided our people are preparing a big war for us 53:20.680 --> 53:26.000 And my people are not russian or ukrainian my people are one and I don't want to know anything else 53:26.000 --> 53:30.680 As a man without an arm or a leg is considered a cripple. So is a divided people 53:30.680 --> 53:34.580 We russians ukrainians belarusans are bequeathed to be together 53:34.580 --> 53:39.200 And the fact that today we are mad and hate each other is the main indictment against us 53:39.200 --> 53:40.920 We have violated this covenant 53:41.500 --> 53:48.020 What did we lack brothers soil? Look how much land we have freedom. So by killing each other, we become more free 53:48.540 --> 53:50.840 I think we just don't have enough love for our brother 53:50.840 --> 53:58.120 We have forgotten what the sanctity of kinship is and therefore strangers come to us and become masters of our house 53:58.120 --> 54:03.400 Now these strangers whom we trusted more than our own people are urging us on 54:03.400 --> 54:08.000 And under their sly speeches about the greatness of the russian and ukrainian people 54:08.000 --> 54:09.600 We are killing each other 54:10.480 --> 54:11.500 He's goes on to say 54:12.560 --> 54:17.680 We the slandered and robbed have only a common dream of a just state 54:17.680 --> 54:21.520 Ukranians dream about a great ukraine russians about great russia 54:21.520 --> 54:25.080 But in essence, this is one big dream of a divided people 54:25.080 --> 54:27.720 Yearning for their homeland for 25 years 54:27.720 --> 54:33.240 We aren't yearning for a state of oligarchs and traitors the moscow and Kiev colonies 54:33.240 --> 54:37.920 But for our own united slavic state and it doesn't matter to me 54:37.920 --> 54:42.500 What it will be called Kievan russ muscovite russ novel russia 54:42.880 --> 54:46.240 The main thing is that it will be a new russia our common home 54:46.240 --> 54:51.680 In the meantime, we kill each other and our executioners almost openly push us to kill 54:51.680 --> 54:57.880 They mock us on russian and ukrainian television either insulting the ukrainian people and calling them fascists 54:57.880 --> 55:02.800 Or insulting the russian people calling them occupiers from the objective russian media 55:02.800 --> 55:08.840 You will not hear words of sympathy excuse me sympathy for ukranians in trouble 55:08.840 --> 55:15.700 They will not say who plunged the whole nation into a spiritual catastrophe and the russians themselves no longer hear their brothers 55:16.160 --> 55:23.320 They like the ukranians were lulled into patriotic lies about their own greatness and kindled petty national pride in arrogance 55:23.760 --> 55:30.200 The main thing that the media is busy with is preventing the awakening of good feelings between our people 55:30.200 --> 55:37.220 How humiliated we are brothers by insulting one another and are we so blind that we can't see the real enemies? 55:37.680 --> 55:42.760 The war will at least open the eyes of our people to who we are and who our enemy is 55:42.760 --> 55:45.600 He says don't trust he ends with don't trust your enemies 55:45.600 --> 55:52.020 Do not trust muscov and Kiev even if they give you the entire dombas from slavia angst to mario pul 55:52.020 --> 55:57.060 Even if they give you all of novel russia don't believe it. They will turn everything into defeat 55:57.060 --> 56:01.000 Power in russia and ukraine is in the same hands 56:01.900 --> 56:03.260 That was in 2015 56:04.320 --> 56:10.220 What a prescient guy, right? I can see why they had to kill him. Yep 56:10.220 --> 56:17.180 Yeah, this is a guy who rose up against you know, like the the whole maydan government 56:17.180 --> 56:24.460 But by the end of his unfortunately short-lived life realized that he was fighting this futile war where the ukranians were his brothers 56:24.460 --> 56:28.460 And they were just being pitted against each other by the global oligarchy 56:29.180 --> 56:29.820 Wow 56:31.240 --> 56:31.880 so 56:32.780 --> 56:33.840 Do you have any 56:33.840 --> 56:41.540 Do both sides want this this forever war is that I mean is it is the putin regime trying to lose? 56:42.520 --> 56:49.200 Yeah, you know, that's that's such a good question because the way that the russian government has been behaving is 56:49.200 --> 56:51.280 Truly puzzling like i'm sorry 56:51.280 --> 56:55.620 But this idea that russia is running circles around ukraine just doesn't make any sense 56:55.620 --> 57:00.380 Like you have to if you look at this conflict objectively the reality is that 57:00.900 --> 57:06.080 Um, you were by the way, you're absolutely correct to point out that boris johnson intervened in the early weeks of the war 57:06.080 --> 57:09.840 and stopped a peace deal from being signed and 57:10.480 --> 57:13.160 Now four years later all we see is mindless slaughter 57:13.600 --> 57:19.240 What is very puzzling though is that instead of like I think that by april 2022 57:19.240 --> 57:25.240 uh, putin had two options two good like only logical options was to either 57:26.040 --> 57:27.740 mobilize russian society 57:27.740 --> 57:30.100 And end the war as soon as possible 57:30.720 --> 57:35.540 Or withdraw because he chose like the worst possible option 57:35.540 --> 57:37.880 Which is just to sort of let it continue 57:38.560 --> 57:40.680 And it just sort of drags on with 57:41.320 --> 57:48.260 Nothing really being accomplished and there was no like russia is now relying on a completely contract army 57:48.800 --> 57:52.280 Which doesn't make any sense if this is a real existential threat 57:52.280 --> 57:59.300 Like it doesn't there just doesn't seem to be any connect between the reality of what's occurring and the russia's 57:59.300 --> 58:02.800 Own policy towards the conflict and how to resolve it correctly 58:03.380 --> 58:07.120 Um, I mean decisively. Yeah on on paper 58:08.520 --> 58:14.500 Russian russian military dwarfs ukraine's okay, so it's it's ukraine plus 58:14.500 --> 58:17.840 Right all the nato and all the west and all the west 58:20.220 --> 58:25.540 Theoretically the russian should be they should have wrapped this one up ages ago, shouldn't they? 58:26.180 --> 58:33.080 Yeah, yes. Yes, like this. I'm sorry, but this whole you know this meme of like the war of the you know 58:33.080 --> 58:41.000 The war of attrition. Actually, there's now this new term that uh, the so-called alt medias using which is the 58:41.000 --> 58:45.800 The snail offensive technique and that that's supposed to be that's supposed to be a 58:45.800 --> 58:51.900 Flattering term whereby russia is just slowly and surgically 58:52.440 --> 58:59.200 Inching forward as it mows down hundreds of thousands of ukrainians while incurring almost no losses 58:59.200 --> 59:03.060 Like that's the new narrative. I'm sorry, but this makes absolutely no sense 59:03.060 --> 59:08.420 If you understand the objectives of the smo the stated objectives from the kremlin 59:09.100 --> 59:14.580 The longer this war goes on the more difficult it is to accomplish anything the longer the war goes on the more 59:15.300 --> 59:19.360 Time nato has to establish to firmly can take control of ukraine 59:19.360 --> 59:25.240 The more likely it is that ukrainians will never forgive russians for what has happened like every single time 59:25.240 --> 59:28.820 An artillery shell lands on a ukrainian town or city 59:28.820 --> 59:33.100 Do you think that that's going to make it easier to create a neutral friendly ukraine? 59:33.100 --> 59:38.060 Like do people realize that when they glow over how you know, ukraine has no electricity 59:38.060 --> 59:42.320 That doesn't make like the there's going to be a post-war reality 59:42.320 --> 59:46.580 And do you realize how much ukrainians are going to hate russia after this? 59:47.020 --> 59:51.500 Like that it like people don't understand what they're even supporting anymore, you know 59:52.380 --> 59:52.940 so 59:53.680 --> 59:54.600 you you mentioned 59:55.800 --> 59:57.400 slightly ironically, but 59:58.220 --> 01:00:02.440 With a degree of truth satanic satanic nato 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.880 Forces it seems to me that at the highest levels 01:00:07.720 --> 01:00:08.820 the people 01:00:10.120 --> 01:00:11.360 who are kind of 01:00:11.980 --> 01:00:13.600 Keeping this conflict going 01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:15.860 actually want to see 01:00:16.740 --> 01:00:21.940 Christian men from both slight sides being slaughtered and a kind of satanic blood blood sacrifice 01:00:23.140 --> 01:00:27.440 I mean you can absolutely put it that way and I don't think I could disagree like 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.640 I mean you could even be more general which is just they 01:00:30.640 --> 01:00:36.780 Like there's it's obvious that a calling a slavic calling is occurring in ukraine 01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:37.680 and 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:44.620 No one wants to there doesn't seem to be any urgency to to flip the the switch off, you know like another thing that 01:00:45.420 --> 01:00:51.440 Actually blows my mind is that I I have to bring this up every time I talk to anyone on a podcast or anything 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:55.720 Because it's still like it literally melts my brain that every day now 01:00:55.720 --> 01:00:56.480 um 01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:01.160 munitions supplied by nato or funded by nato 01:01:01.160 --> 01:01:06.420 Land on russian territory like not even disputed russian territory like bell girl for example 01:01:07.160 --> 01:01:14.200 Killing russians destroying infrastructure etc etc and the russian the russian government's response is just to put their thumb up their ass 01:01:14.200 --> 01:01:15.080 and like 01:01:15.080 --> 01:01:18.100 Do nothing like that would have it just would have never 01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:23.260 Occurred to me that's even a possibility 10 years ago and now it's just normal 01:01:23.260 --> 01:01:27.720 It's like reading the weather report and how how did how did we get here? 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.300 Like how did that become normal? 01:01:30.700 --> 01:01:36.620 And why is it that instead of seeing like zolensky being in his entire 01:01:36.620 --> 01:01:39.340 You know cabinet being blown to the moon 01:01:39.900 --> 01:01:44.780 You have uh, you know guys like kareel dimitria of the the kremlin's lead negotiator 01:01:45.240 --> 01:01:48.840 Calling trump daddy on twitter like unironically 01:01:49.860 --> 01:01:50.580 Yeah 01:01:52.120 --> 01:01:55.780 I was hoping you'd be able to make help you make sense of it, but actually 01:01:56.340 --> 01:02:03.860 I'm I'm totally like it it honestly like I can't tell you how I mean it's it's puzzling 01:02:04.420 --> 01:02:05.880 It's it's scary 01:02:06.580 --> 01:02:13.340 Like it's scary that something so insane can become normal and I thought that I had seen everything after covid like this whole 01:02:13.340 --> 01:02:14.840 You know this whole idea of normalization 01:02:15.560 --> 01:02:20.080 Um, you know and returning to the new normal like I really thought that I had seen it all 01:02:20.080 --> 01:02:24.120 But this idea that now that this state of affairs is totally normal 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:31.280 It's shocking. It's what what what I found even worse actually. Um, and that is pretty shocking 01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:32.880 is that 01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:34.440 we've got 01:02:35.540 --> 01:02:36.720 political leaders 01:02:37.420 --> 01:02:38.020 like 01:02:38.660 --> 01:02:46.740 Kim starmer who apparently is currently the british prime minister and you've got all the the germans seem to be particularly into this idea as well 01:02:47.230 --> 01:02:49.780 That they want to kind of commit 01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:50.840 commit 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.900 Boots on the ground they want that they want to bring in 01:02:56.650 --> 01:03:00.060 The rest of the west to come and come and fight this 01:03:00.710 --> 01:03:02.660 this glorious virtuous 01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:04.380 slaughter 01:03:06.160 --> 01:03:07.400 it's it's 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:12.220 How they've managed to sell it to anyone. Yeah, we've got houses 01:03:13.090 --> 01:03:16.000 I mean drive through through the village near me 01:03:16.740 --> 01:03:23.140 There's there's a blue and yellow flag on the wall which of of a one of the sandstone houses that's been there since 01:03:23.780 --> 01:03:26.720 Suddenly the last five years. There's a ukrainian 01:03:26.720 --> 01:03:35.540 Flag which flutters where I go riding and frightening the horses and and and they were hanging they were fluttering from a lot of church spires at one stage 01:03:36.330 --> 01:03:37.400 and I'm thinking 01:03:38.420 --> 01:03:38.960 how 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:41.400 How um 01:03:42.060 --> 01:03:46.720 Blinkered do they consider the british populace to be that they can just sort of 01:03:47.300 --> 01:03:48.520 psych us into this 01:03:49.100 --> 01:03:52.600 World war three for this this kill zone 01:03:52.600 --> 01:03:56.000 I mean it seems to exist only to kill people on either side 01:03:56.540 --> 01:04:00.720 Yeah, well, it's it's shocking. I mean look and by the way, I just want to make it 01:04:00.720 --> 01:04:06.840 I mean hopefully it's clear, but you know my own criticism of of how russia's handling this war does not negate the fact that 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.100 Obviously the west is is 01:04:09.620 --> 01:04:14.280 At least it's guilty as just yeah pumping this conflict full of weapons for no 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:21.400 Nothing positive is being accomplished. Obviously. This has nothing to do with like democracy or freedom. I mean that's all again 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:22.300 That's all just 01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:28.720 marketing for the for the pros and it's it's scary like it's scary how 01:04:29.220 --> 01:04:35.760 You see how just like most of what was talking like both sides are just blind to the fact that every people are just being cold 01:04:36.600 --> 01:04:42.920 When there are real enemies are the ones who are pushing us into the kill zone, you know, yeah, and yeah 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.220 Do you do you think there's anything in it? No, what one of the 01:04:47.080 --> 01:04:50.820 One of my take-homes from my trip to russia was that I think 01:04:51.560 --> 01:04:52.260 only about 01:04:53.060 --> 01:04:56.260 three percent of the russian population are 01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:57.200 regular 01:04:58.340 --> 01:04:58.940 churchgoers 01:04:59.620 --> 01:05:02.200 But I did get the sense 01:05:02.980 --> 01:05:10.480 That I was in the the heartland of christianity that the the mother russia is the sort of the the last 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.680 guardian of of christianity 01:05:13.680 --> 01:05:18.800 Do you think there's anything in in the idea that that that 01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:24.320 This this is this is why they want why they the powers that be want to want to slaughter slavs 01:05:24.900 --> 01:05:29.480 You know, it's I think that there's an argument to be made for it. Uh 01:05:30.180 --> 01:05:31.020 Yeah, like 01:05:31.660 --> 01:05:37.080 I'm sure that there are many many levels to this conflict and you know, you've even mentioned 01:05:37.080 --> 01:05:42.700 You know, I'm sure that there are like a cult reasons for what we are witnessing and you know 01:05:42.700 --> 01:05:45.620 Obviously, whether you want to call it christianity or whatever 01:05:45.620 --> 01:05:49.720 Obviously, there's going to be a spiritual element to this like like there's something 01:05:49.720 --> 01:05:56.160 I mean just the idea that you could push people like that. We're witnessing an orgy of violence 01:05:56.160 --> 01:06:03.340 Which in itself is like some sort of weird, uh, you know like ceremony, you know, we're witnessing something like something 01:06:04.160 --> 01:06:06.620 Scary like not of this world 01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:08.940 Uh, yeah, like 01:06:09.660 --> 01:06:11.660 Russia, I think and and with 01:06:12.220 --> 01:06:13.880 as sort of uh, you know 01:06:15.100 --> 01:06:16.500 Bedrock of christianity 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:22.060 Look, there's a lot of great things you could say about it. Uh, you know, I was I was I'm an episcopalian 01:06:22.060 --> 01:06:25.280 I don't know if you're familiar with the episcopalians. They're like the american anglicans 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:30.500 Uh, I was I was raised a episcopalian and I was later baptized in the orthodox church 01:06:30.500 --> 01:06:35.580 I'm not practicing at the moment to be honest, but um, like I totally get it 01:06:35.580 --> 01:06:40.480 Like I think that you go into a orthodox church in russia and it's an incredible experience 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:47.040 Like you said, I mean the music is honestly like angelic. It's incredible. Like it's an it's like a real 01:06:47.040 --> 01:06:51.960 I mean, even if you're not religious, it's an experience just to be there and witness the these 01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:53.920 Um, yeah, these liturgies 01:06:54.500 --> 01:07:00.320 Um, but you know, just like a Tolstoy novel russia is full of contradiction. So you do have this sort of 01:07:00.500 --> 01:07:01.560 deep-seated 01:07:02.240 --> 01:07:07.780 Feeling of spirituality that is seems foreign in the west, but you also have one of the world's highest divorce rates, you know 01:07:07.780 --> 01:07:14.520 Like it's there's this it's it's russia. It's a very messy place like and and that's what I would tell anyone 01:07:14.520 --> 01:07:19.520 It's like you can't you got to take the good with the bad and you got to be realistic about russia, you know 01:07:20.860 --> 01:07:22.640 Yeah, yeah to 01:07:23.500 --> 01:07:24.340 you um 01:07:25.660 --> 01:07:27.840 You you you well, obviously 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:37.640 You're among the the you fit into the awake category. I mean, I it's quite difficult to find an acceptable term that describes those of us who are skeptical about the 01:07:37.640 --> 01:07:41.840 official narrative, but I suppose it awake will will will do 01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:47.580 Did were you always that way? Did you always do or did you once believe in the system? 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.380 Yeah, well, you know like like anyone you 01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:55.160 So, you know one of my biggest things I really don't write about it enough 01:07:55.160 --> 01:08:01.220 But actually it's my real passion, which is I think that maybe the world's biggest conspiracy is a government education 01:08:01.220 --> 01:08:03.480 And I'm convinced that if we could just stop 01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:09.100 You know if we could stop schooling our children like that's that's the solution to everything because you're basically 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:15.580 From the moment you're born you're basically programmed to think a certain way and the and I think honestly 01:08:15.580 --> 01:08:20.360 What you really just need is a revolution of the mind and then everything is very very simple actually 01:08:20.360 --> 01:08:24.100 Um, so yeah, you know like I grew up in southern california 01:08:24.100 --> 01:08:29.340 And then I moved to massachusetts, which is even more retardedly liberal than california 01:08:29.340 --> 01:08:33.320 And so, you know, obviously like growing up in that sort of environment 01:08:33.900 --> 01:08:40.120 You are told like there are acceptable ways of viewing the world. They're acceptable politicians. They used to support 01:08:40.700 --> 01:08:43.840 You know, there was a time there was a time when I was a bernie sander supporter 01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:47.900 I mean, it's embarrassing to say but you know, like I fell for the scythe 01:08:47.900 --> 01:08:52.320 Like I thought that he looked that bernie sanders was gonna fight the clinton machine 01:08:52.320 --> 01:09:00.180 I mean looking back on it. I just feel silly, but I think that uh, everyone you just have to go through this process of 01:09:00.700 --> 01:09:04.840 Examining your beliefs and saying well, okay, I believe this but does it actually make any sense? 01:09:05.080 --> 01:09:08.020 And you just sort of keep going wherever it takes you, right? 01:09:08.020 --> 01:09:10.500 And so no, I mean like anyone 01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:14.840 Um, I was told to think a certain way and told that by thinking this way 01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:18.820 I was a good person and then the more but then you sort of realized like 01:09:19.540 --> 01:09:21.100 This is rubbish 01:09:21.100 --> 01:09:24.200 I can't believe this, you know 01:09:24.900 --> 01:09:28.100 Yeah, yeah, I I used to 01:09:28.740 --> 01:09:34.300 I used to sort of call myself a sort of south park conservative or a sort of libertarian 01:09:34.300 --> 01:09:38.260 Conservative and I thought if only everyone everyone read 01:09:38.260 --> 01:09:41.800 Uh von Mises and uh and hyac 01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:46.500 It would all be sorted out and and and all we needed was a kind of a proper 01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:53.460 Conservative administration in power to that understood this and once the once the all be over 01:09:53.910 --> 01:09:57.160 And you don't realize you just just being being played 01:09:57.160 --> 01:09:58.960 There was a 01:09:59.730 --> 01:10:04.000 An old a university friend of mine who became prime minister 01:10:04.300 --> 01:10:06.960 I used to smoke weed with him and my in my 01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:11.100 set in in in in christ church and and 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:13.620 I thought well, maybe maybe 01:10:13.620 --> 01:10:15.820 Dave is the guy. Yeah, right 01:10:15.820 --> 01:10:20.080 I smoked drugs with him and and he seemed a pretty sound conservative when I was smoking drugs with him 01:10:20.080 --> 01:10:24.100 and and then he gets in power and he does all these kind of 01:10:24.620 --> 01:10:28.400 Really lame-ass things that you associate with the left 01:10:29.100 --> 01:10:29.940 And you realize 01:10:30.700 --> 01:10:31.220 No 01:10:31.220 --> 01:10:34.480 This is not accidental. They're all 01:10:35.300 --> 01:10:40.720 They all do the same thing because they're not in control. They just they're following orders from above 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:43.380 That's so funny. You bring that up because I'm not going to name him 01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:49.640 But actually I went to college with a guy who was very very like I would say very chill 01:10:50.280 --> 01:10:52.280 It was obvious that he wanted to go into politics 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:57.220 But he seemed like a very decent fellow and he actually now is a us congressman 01:10:57.220 --> 01:11:00.580 He's in congress and you know, I checked on his voting record recently 01:11:00.580 --> 01:11:05.540 And he like voted for they don't have weapons for israel and like just doing all the things that you know 01:11:05.540 --> 01:11:07.900 No normal human would ever do 01:11:07.900 --> 01:11:13.660 But it's like once you get into power. You just you just you do what you're supposed to do or I don't know like 01:11:14.140 --> 01:11:17.220 Who knows what happens. So yeah, it's like, yeah 01:11:17.860 --> 01:11:20.260 Yeah, well, I think your wife gets murdered 01:11:20.900 --> 01:11:24.580 Yeah for something like that congress. I think that's the deal. That's what they do 01:11:25.240 --> 01:11:29.380 And anyway, you're so bound up by the the kind of the compromise 01:11:29.380 --> 01:11:35.980 They've gone on you because of the the child sex party you attended where you took a cheeky line of adrenochrome and 01:11:35.980 --> 01:11:40.020 I mean, it's just like I mean, that's that's literally what they do 01:11:40.020 --> 01:11:43.320 Like it's it's incredible. Like, you know, actually being back in the united states 01:11:43.320 --> 01:11:48.240 It's so funny james like because you know, I mean my my my mother for example is I mean 01:11:49.220 --> 01:11:53.060 Carter gold but uh is very sort of she's a sort of cnn liberal 01:11:53.060 --> 01:11:57.460 And so we we're watching, you know, the news reports about the epstein files and stuff 01:11:57.460 --> 01:12:00.260 And she's like, oh, I can't believe that, you know 01:12:00.260 --> 01:12:03.660 Like trump is involved in all this and it's with whole of the epstein files 01:12:03.660 --> 01:12:07.560 And I was like, well, yeah, but you realize that one of these epstein files do if they ever do come out 01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:10.820 They're gonna be just as bad for the clintons as they are for trump 01:12:10.820 --> 01:12:15.280 But you but you worship the clintons and you hate trump, but it's like they're all 01:12:16.060 --> 01:12:16.860 sex criminals 01:12:18.240 --> 01:12:19.520 That's it. There's the 01:12:20.080 --> 01:12:22.000 Have you come across peter duke? 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:27.200 No, he's he's great. I've I've I've I've just done a podcast with him. He's got this great 01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:31.820 Substitute he's been around the block. He's he's a he's a very very smart cookie and he's 01:12:31.820 --> 01:12:36.180 He's worked in industries like hollywood. So he's he's he's been inside the belly of the beast 01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:37.260 and 01:12:38.100 --> 01:12:45.960 He's constructed this quite plausible theory on on how the world is run the sort of the the structure the command structure 01:12:46.580 --> 01:12:48.620 So at the bottom, you've got 01:12:49.320 --> 01:12:53.440 The sort of the lump and masses who are living in play toes cave 01:12:54.000 --> 01:13:00.460 Right and there and and they're just trance by all the all the projections on the wall of the cave and and that's where most people are 01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:04.080 And then you've got the next level up 01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:09.540 Who are I can't remember whether he does he call them true believers or something the people who are 01:13:10.100 --> 01:13:16.540 Committed activists or they like they're conservatives. They're mugga conservatives or or they're 01:13:17.700 --> 01:13:19.660 And and and they believe that 01:13:20.380 --> 01:13:26.940 The political system can affect the change that they want if only that they they they commit themselves to the cause with enough passion 01:13:26.940 --> 01:13:28.640 They believe in it and how it works 01:13:29.200 --> 01:13:30.300 And then above that 01:13:30.900 --> 01:13:32.120 You've got the assets 01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:36.400 And the assets would be I suppose I would have been an asset 01:13:36.890 --> 01:13:37.180 Um 01:13:38.020 --> 01:13:40.840 I was a successful mainstream media 01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:47.480 Commentator for the right. I was putting forward the right the right the contentious 01:13:47.480 --> 01:13:50.260 Right-wing view and I was living in a society of 01:13:50.940 --> 01:13:57.120 Destroyed by liberalism and if only if only my forthright viewers will listen to more then then eventually 01:13:57.840 --> 01:13:59.680 We would take the citadel 01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:01.580 and then 01:14:02.420 --> 01:14:08.500 On the on the on the level above that are the handlers and the handlers are the people who kind of 01:14:09.340 --> 01:14:11.040 well steer the 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:12.600 Steer 01:14:13.100 --> 01:14:14.920 The assets in the right direction 01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:20.200 The assets are the sorry the handlers the assets don't necessarily know they're compromised 01:14:20.200 --> 01:14:25.140 Sometimes they do sometimes they don't the handlers are definitely part of the system 01:14:25.140 --> 01:14:30.140 They know exactly what they're doing and then above that you've got the the the upper upper tears 01:14:30.780 --> 01:14:31.040 um 01:14:31.900 --> 01:14:32.380 but 01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:39.340 Well, it's a good theory anyway, I mean, I think I think it it does explain how the world works 01:14:39.980 --> 01:14:42.540 I mean, I don't think there's any way and again like 01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:45.420 I it's always hard because I 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:50.760 I don't like to I'm trying more and more not to generalize and be as specific as possible 01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:55.060 But I think it's there's no getting around the fact that once you reach a certain level of 01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:57.160 Authority or responsibility or power 01:14:57.160 --> 01:15:00.420 You don't get there unless they have something on you 01:15:00.420 --> 01:15:03.660 Like you might you might you might not be reading from a script 01:15:03.660 --> 01:15:06.680 But the only reason you're there is because if you do something that they don't like 01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:10.240 They have ways of ways of dealing with that, you know, like they do 01:15:10.240 --> 01:15:13.040 I just don't think that there's any way to deny that at this point 01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:19.720 And nobody is you can't really buy or buy your piece of freedom. I was I talking to um, 01:15:20.860 --> 01:15:24.460 Burlingham the other day. Um, I don't whether you come across him 01:15:25.020 --> 01:15:27.360 He he comes from one of the sort of the 01:15:29.300 --> 01:15:33.240 Well, I don't know about Illuminati, but but sort of bloodline families 01:15:35.100 --> 01:15:39.980 The kind of family that can afford to have a family office and 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:45.680 He says that when you get to the level of wealth where you've got a family office 01:15:46.460 --> 01:15:53.520 You're very constrained as to what you can do and what you can't do and and how you you couldn't suddenly decide to 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.040 to go off-piste and and and 01:15:56.850 --> 01:15:57.140 Say 01:15:57.730 --> 01:16:02.340 I imagine if you found the office you you couldn't sort of run a set up an organization 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.580 Exposing the the global conspiracy for example 01:16:07.660 --> 01:16:14.060 So you can have loads and loads of money, but still you're not free. You've got to work within the constraints of this 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:15.640 wicked system 01:16:16.130 --> 01:16:17.360 Yeah, yeah 01:16:18.010 --> 01:16:22.100 But what what so you you grew up in in southern california 01:16:22.100 --> 01:16:28.040 But I can't remember what I what I heard about you. You're I mean you're quite quite affluent 01:16:29.300 --> 01:16:29.860 background 01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:37.960 Like upper middle class, I would say I mean my father was um, he worked actually in hollywood as a independent like 01:16:38.580 --> 01:16:43.880 cinematographer and producer he had his own production company and then we moved east when I was 01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:45.720 10 or 11 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:50.260 Yeah, so and then basically the moment I got out of college 01:16:50.260 --> 01:16:54.100 I went to washington dc to you know pursue my 01:16:54.100 --> 01:16:56.120 illustrious career as a political 01:16:56.620 --> 01:17:01.620 Journalist and commentator and within a year. I was like so cynical and jaded and burnt out 01:17:01.620 --> 01:17:03.860 and I like I never want to do I never want to 01:17:04.500 --> 01:17:07.920 type another word in my life. I'm so sick of everything and 01:17:08.460 --> 01:17:08.960 you know 01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:13.700 It didn't really work out that way. I suppose I'm always interested in in 01:17:14.380 --> 01:17:19.140 Where people are coming from and what their journey has been. I mean you're familiar with 01:17:20.240 --> 01:17:21.200 Rurik Skywalker 01:17:22.160 --> 01:17:22.640 Indeed 01:17:23.240 --> 01:17:29.660 His his student in many way. I can't remember what his real name is, but but I mean he's very forthright on 01:17:29.660 --> 01:17:35.780 On russia, but in fact he makes you look look positively restrained and he's 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:37.120 but 01:17:37.980 --> 01:17:39.120 I have trouble 01:17:41.040 --> 01:17:45.960 I don't want to go. Yeah, Rurik. You're so right about everything when he's a pagan 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:50.820 I mean he's not he doesn't even believe in in in god and stuff 01:17:51.580 --> 01:17:52.280 does he 01:17:52.900 --> 01:17:58.660 He's a um, I think he does, but maybe just not in the christian idea of it 01:17:58.660 --> 01:18:01.300 Yeah, look, I'm not, you know, yeah 01:18:01.820 --> 01:18:08.180 It's you know for me. This might sound like a cop out, but it's really not like I I've sort of backed away from the whole 01:18:08.180 --> 01:18:14.560 Religious debate in general. I absolutely think that it's an important part of what's going on like at a spiritual level 01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:18.680 There's obviously weird scary forces, you know in play 01:18:19.360 --> 01:18:23.460 Um for me though, like I don't know increasingly I found myself like I 01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:27.300 I don't really care what you believe like as long as 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:34.300 You're not trying to aggressively like cattle tag me and murder my family, you know, like I don't know like I'm looking 01:18:34.300 --> 01:18:36.220 Just for like anyone who I can just 01:18:37.220 --> 01:18:41.100 Grow out with at this point, you know like and grow potatoes with I'm not gonna lie 01:18:41.100 --> 01:18:43.760 So I've become very like non ideological 01:18:44.380 --> 01:18:47.500 I'm very much with you on the potato growing 01:18:47.500 --> 01:18:48.220 Yeah 01:18:48.830 --> 01:18:54.040 But but I I bring these things up not because I'm a kind of fanatical sure sure 01:18:56.060 --> 01:18:58.760 Evangelical or anything like that. Yeah, it's just that 01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:00.360 There comes a point 01:19:00.360 --> 01:19:04.740 Actually, probably quite early on in in one's one's journey down the rabbit hole 01:19:04.740 --> 01:19:06.820 Where you start asking yourself 01:19:07.420 --> 01:19:10.740 Who runs the world right and what's their motivation? 01:19:11.260 --> 01:19:15.660 Because those those those the those are the two quick questions. What what what's what's the plan? 01:19:15.780 --> 01:19:17.660 You know, what why they why they're doing this? 01:19:18.300 --> 01:19:18.740 and 01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:21.440 You can't 01:19:21.440 --> 01:19:22.920 Spend as long as I have 01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:27.080 I mean five years of I've I've been on the the intense 01:19:28.220 --> 01:19:29.480 phd course and 01:19:30.080 --> 01:19:33.480 rabbit horology and I spend a lot of time looking I mean, I don't 01:19:35.780 --> 01:19:39.400 Once you go there, you don't want to go anywhere else, do you and and 01:19:40.420 --> 01:19:42.360 I've started sort of 01:19:42.980 --> 01:19:46.680 Drawing up my my big picture theory about about 01:19:47.540 --> 01:19:50.200 Who they are and and how it works and yeah 01:19:50.200 --> 01:19:56.780 It just seems to me that that if you exclude the supernatural you're you're missing out 01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:04.380 One of the most important elements that this is and this is a spiritual war being between good and evil being played out on on earth 01:20:05.440 --> 01:20:06.680 and once you 01:20:07.360 --> 01:20:10.200 Decide that and I I think it's not an unreasonable conclusion 01:20:11.500 --> 01:20:13.460 You then go well, okay 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:24.100 These people how do they fit into this schemata the the the people who who run the world and I I liked what you said about the 01:20:24.100 --> 01:20:28.420 The different drugs gangs because I think that's I think that's very true 01:20:28.420 --> 01:20:33.700 It's I sometimes use the analogy of the mafia, you know, you've got different you've got different families 01:20:33.700 --> 01:20:40.480 And then you've got the capo de tutti capi. Who's probably who's probably satan. I mean in in in my in my book 01:20:40.480 --> 01:20:41.040 but 01:20:41.700 --> 01:20:42.320 or a different 01:20:43.460 --> 01:20:48.100 Some some of the the gangs would be one of the gangs would be the jews 01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:51.180 One of the gangs would be the freemasons 01:20:51.740 --> 01:20:53.260 one of them would be 01:20:53.900 --> 01:20:54.940 the jesuits 01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:56.680 there were 01:20:57.400 --> 01:21:03.280 And they're all in on it. There's no there's no there's no but but I think that what's what unites these all these 01:21:03.280 --> 01:21:08.080 Different gangs is that ultimately their fealty is to it's the lucifer 01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:11.580 Do you don't you don't you don't you you wouldn't go there? 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:20.460 Um, I would just I like I don't think I'm at the point where I can like pinpoint what the they're obviously worshiping something 01:21:20.460 --> 01:21:25.380 Right, like what what what is I think that you're absolutely asking the right questions 01:21:25.380 --> 01:21:32.120 Like what is the ultimate goal here, right? Like you do have like for example, I've never really understood 01:21:32.120 --> 01:21:32.960 the whole 01:21:33.480 --> 01:21:34.860 Okay, like I get it 01:21:34.860 --> 01:21:40.140 There are like I don't think there's any denying for example that they are very very powerful jewish bankers 01:21:40.140 --> 01:21:46.520 Who are extremely Zionist and have this idea of like creating the rebuilding the temple of Solomon or whatever 01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:49.560 And so what what like but why though, right? 01:21:49.660 --> 01:21:51.100 And so I guess the your answer would be 01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:56.860 Because they worship lucifer because the devil wants it. Yeah, because the devil wants it. So that's your that's your answer 01:21:56.860 --> 01:21:57.680 yeah, I mean like 01:21:58.360 --> 01:22:00.320 I think that that makes sense 01:22:00.320 --> 01:22:06.660 Like I I don't know. I'm not I just just like it's just so bizarre the whole thing is just so 01:22:06.660 --> 01:22:11.920 Mind-melting just I'm yeah, you you find me a better explanation Riley. I 01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:14.420 I challenge you won't 01:22:14.420 --> 01:22:20.160 There is one because you said you said who do these guys follow? I was gonna say well, it ain't the god of love is it? 01:22:20.660 --> 01:22:23.420 Oh, no, okay. Yeah, so I think that like roots 01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:29.000 Yeah, I mean, obviously we know what they don't you know, we obviously know what they don't worship 01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:30.100 you know, so 01:22:30.790 --> 01:22:31.760 Yeah, it's 01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:38.660 man, like what what is really behind it all whether it's whether they're worshiping a deity or they're just 01:22:38.660 --> 01:22:43.920 been corrupted by generations of you know on basically 01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:48.020 Endless power and wealth and I mean I 01:22:48.710 --> 01:22:49.980 Who knows but 01:22:50.690 --> 01:22:55.100 You you seem to be very certain that it's it's lucifer worship basically 01:22:55.940 --> 01:23:00.800 Yeah, yeah, I think it I I I think it is I mean there's there's 01:23:02.480 --> 01:23:05.180 Some people people who are interested in systems 01:23:06.180 --> 01:23:06.740 um 01:23:07.340 --> 01:23:11.080 Have come up with some very good analyses which which which sort of suggests that 01:23:11.080 --> 01:23:15.220 The system is is it's so entrenched now. It doesn't matter about about 01:23:15.740 --> 01:23:18.620 Who the individual players are the system is sort of self 01:23:19.120 --> 01:23:23.980 Replicating and self-reinforcing and and and that that we get more and more constrained 01:23:23.980 --> 01:23:29.120 But I think that just argues for a kind of diabolical intelligence that could that that created this 01:23:29.740 --> 01:23:30.420 this system 01:23:31.220 --> 01:23:34.160 It's yeah, I was going to ask you 01:23:35.020 --> 01:23:39.320 About your exit from from russia. You were you were booted out 01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:44.580 Well, no, technically. No, technically. No, we should I should be we should be 01:23:45.020 --> 01:23:47.380 I should be careful. We should be careful with our words 01:23:47.380 --> 01:23:51.160 And so I wasn't booted out, but I sort of I felt like I got a message 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:53.420 It said I was no longer welcome there 01:23:53.420 --> 01:23:58.720 And so I decided to make my exit while I you know still had the opportunity to do so 01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:01.580 I mean basically what happened was that I 01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:04.500 Me my son and my partner 01:24:05.060 --> 01:24:07.240 I were all we're all american citizens. My 01:24:08.020 --> 01:24:11.360 Son is half russian so he has a russian and us passport 01:24:12.160 --> 01:24:18.800 We went to the united states for my son's birthday. We flew back to russia. I flew with my son my partner 01:24:19.420 --> 01:24:25.180 Flew separately and when she arrived in moscow. She was detained and questioned for several hours 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:26.760 at the airport 01:24:27.700 --> 01:24:32.240 Um after several hours of interrogation where they went through her phone and asked her questions 01:24:32.940 --> 01:24:38.540 You know about like me and her views on things they they ultimately said okay, you're free to go 01:24:38.540 --> 01:24:43.400 They they actually stamped her passport saying yes, you've been granted entry to russia 01:24:43.980 --> 01:24:45.500 She was just told to wait outside 01:24:46.080 --> 01:24:48.400 Kept waiting kept waiting hours went by 01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:54.480 A guy comes out and says actually we're deporting you actually doesn't even say that he just escorts her to a holding cell 01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:59.360 The stamp had been annulled in her passport. She wasn't told why she was being deported 01:24:59.900 --> 01:25:06.520 We later found out through uh, we hired a lawyer to get to the bottom all this that it was for national security reasons 01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:11.520 But the fsb won't explain why it's for national security reasons 01:25:12.080 --> 01:25:17.660 And uh, so yeah, I mean look, uh, it would be great if they could just be more forthcoming about why they did this 01:25:17.660 --> 01:25:20.260 but I think all the evidence points to the fact that they basically 01:25:21.740 --> 01:25:27.760 penalized her for her relationship with me and instead, you know instead of going just after me 01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:31.700 Which would be at least the honorable thing to do they chose the coward's path 01:25:31.700 --> 01:25:37.700 And it's really really sad because my partner had lived her basically her entire adult life in russia 01:25:37.700 --> 01:25:41.240 She's an american who speaks the most beautiful russian you've ever heard in your life 01:25:41.240 --> 01:25:46.480 She would worked as a professional translator. She worked, uh as a freelancer for the hamertage museum 01:25:46.480 --> 01:25:52.200 She was months before this happened. She was on russian state television doing a 01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:56.220 Talk show or a quiz show in russian, of course 01:25:56.220 --> 01:26:01.380 Where she competed with other foreign nationals living in russia and answering questions about russian culture 01:26:01.380 --> 01:26:06.180 And history and absolutely dominated like absolutely blew all the competition out of the water 01:26:06.780 --> 01:26:12.620 Um, you know, she loved this country so much. She has a daughter who was also half russian has a russian passport 01:26:13.220 --> 01:26:15.720 And she was basically just kicked out of the country even though 01:26:16.280 --> 01:26:22.240 She's never had a hateful or hurtful idea in her mind. She she's loves she loved russia 01:26:22.240 --> 01:26:25.160 She loved russia much more than I did. I was always complaining about it 01:26:25.700 --> 01:26:29.760 That's so sad. Yeah, it really is it really is sad and you know, it's like 01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:35.640 Right now we're in this process. We're trying to appeal. She got a 25 year ban a 25 year ban 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:41.000 Yeah, and so that um, we're trying to appeal it through this russian lawyer, you know in russia 01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.120 And he's telling us he's told us that as he's going through this appeal process 01:26:45.120 --> 01:26:47.760 He's been pressured by authorities to drop the case 01:26:48.320 --> 01:26:52.340 That is literally being that is being intimidated not to pursue this appeal 01:26:53.540 --> 01:26:56.200 It's interesting that you're considered to be 01:26:56.760 --> 01:26:57.700 such a threat 01:26:58.340 --> 01:27:01.720 I mean, I that that's what's so puzzling about it because I 01:27:02.340 --> 01:27:05.580 Like yeah, I you're just grouchy guy on on on substack 01:27:06.360 --> 01:27:10.320 Like I yeah, I'm just I'm just a grouch on substack like you could just ignore me 01:27:10.320 --> 01:27:16.140 My audience is like 98% westerners. It doesn't matter what I think 01:27:16.140 --> 01:27:21.100 uh, and what really all it did was deprive me the opportunity of sharing like my 01:27:21.980 --> 01:27:26.420 Stories and experiences in russia, which were I thought were beautiful things to share with the world 01:27:26.420 --> 01:27:32.120 Like I would write regularly about my life in this little russian village where I was living and trying to make it as a 01:27:32.120 --> 01:27:37.880 You know, basically a brainless like a farmer who had no idea what he was doing, but it was a it was a wonderful experience 01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:44.920 It was a privilege to uh live in this village. I miss it dearly. I just wish it could have lasted longer 01:27:45.460 --> 01:27:49.520 Um, they haven't really accomplished anything all I do is look silly and petty 01:27:50.100 --> 01:27:56.260 And they like took away a voice who could have given like a presented a more human side 01:27:56.420 --> 01:27:58.900 To russia. I don't know why they did it 01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:02.280 Yeah, what have you got any theories 01:28:04.160 --> 01:28:07.460 I guess they just are bitter. I don't know like I don't know 01:28:07.460 --> 01:28:10.900 Maybe maybe there's some other technical reason they decided to do this 01:28:10.900 --> 01:28:13.560 All they have to do is just be forthcoming and honest 01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:16.960 Like just tell us like just give us a reason give us a reason 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:21.900 It doesn't have to be there. It doesn't have to be the the the true reason just like explain something 01:28:21.900 --> 01:28:27.180 They won't even do that and all all they've been trying to do is stone wall any attempt to find out 01:28:27.180 --> 01:28:29.560 Or to appeal it or just get some clarity 01:28:30.780 --> 01:28:31.820 Yeah, I 01:28:33.160 --> 01:28:36.420 In the days when I used to go to america 01:28:37.120 --> 01:28:37.640 um 01:28:38.940 --> 01:28:44.380 I even and I totally believed in in in the west and you know, uh 01:28:44.380 --> 01:28:45.980 Uh-huh 01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:49.380 Thought I believed all the narratives and stuff 01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:56.140 But even even in my most pro american period, I recognized that there was a quality in america 01:28:57.120 --> 01:28:57.760 where 01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:03.120 It was a great place to be until you fell foul of the system 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:06.040 When you would suddenly be absolutely 01:29:06.620 --> 01:29:11.500 Shafted they could do anything to you and it was ruthless and brutal and 01:29:12.200 --> 01:29:13.320 I think that 01:29:14.320 --> 01:29:15.320 america and russia 01:29:16.100 --> 01:29:19.760 Have that in common in different. I mean russia is is is sort of perhaps more 01:29:20.300 --> 01:29:23.840 stolid about it and the old-fashioned america is sort of 01:29:24.400 --> 01:29:25.500 pretends that it's 01:29:27.100 --> 01:29:32.060 But but the this is the same problem, isn't it? I mean and also my own country now 01:29:32.060 --> 01:29:34.560 I mean, yeah, I was very very lucky 01:29:35.160 --> 01:29:41.160 Not to be detained at the airport and questioned for five hours under anti-terrorism legislation 01:29:41.500 --> 01:29:44.980 Which happens to a lot of people who go to russia these days and why I mean what 01:29:45.400 --> 01:29:52.060 What I was doing was just going and hanging out with some monks and say aren't the aren't the food markets great 01:29:52.060 --> 01:29:58.920 Right stuff. No, it's it's absurd. I I mean, I totally agree. In fact, it's funny because I really do believe that 01:29:59.420 --> 01:30:05.140 Uh, I mean russia the united states share so much in common and and like you pointed out one of them is like this 01:30:05.580 --> 01:30:07.920 Man when you get on the wrong side of things 01:30:08.360 --> 01:30:11.720 The it's just endless pain like the curb stomping is relentless 01:30:12.300 --> 01:30:15.620 Um, and yeah, like I mean the thing is what's curb stomping 01:30:16.240 --> 01:30:22.200 Well, it's like so a curb like uh, you have a different word in british english, don't you? Like, uh, you know the curb 01:30:22.200 --> 01:30:25.120 Oh, you have a curb. Yeah, yeah pavement and then the curb 01:30:25.120 --> 01:30:30.020 The curb stop is like to put someone's head on the curb and just stop it. Oh, I see. Yeah 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:36.040 Yes, yeah, um, sorry for being so uh graphic 01:30:36.040 --> 01:30:39.300 No, but that's what we are all living in 01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:45.600 In tyrannies and yeah, the difference is that the russians the russians know it the russian people know it 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:48.700 They do know it. Well, so many I go around 01:30:49.320 --> 01:30:50.800 And talk to people about this stuff 01:30:51.320 --> 01:30:55.640 I'll make sure to my wife and she'll think I'm just an absolute nutcase. How can you think that? 01:30:55.880 --> 01:31:00.820 This is this is this is england. This is great. Yeah, it's the same in the united states 01:31:00.820 --> 01:31:03.500 I mean, I've never been in a more like over educated 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:11.960 Uh, idiotic country, you know, like people are you have all these people with like master's degrees from harvard who think it's great that you know, you can be 01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:19.400 Uh, you know interrogated endlessly, you know and some like gitmo type camp. I think it's like all for freedom, you know 01:31:19.860 --> 01:31:26.720 It's just it's just scary. It's really scary. Like it's scary living amongst people who who were that's normal 01:31:27.230 --> 01:31:31.680 And it gets worse with each each generation. I was in the sauna last night 01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:35.820 And it was unusually crowded sauna and there was there was a 01:31:35.820 --> 01:31:40.020 A woman there I'd say the sort of the the generation below mine 01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:45.020 And we were talking about skiing and I was I saying I I hadn't been skiing 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:47.760 In so long that in my day 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:54.240 Everyone used to ski without with just wearing woolly hats. Nobody wore a crash helmet and apparently now I gather 01:31:54.780 --> 01:31:58.420 you everyone wears wears a crash hat and 01:31:59.140 --> 01:32:01.980 If you don't wear a crash hat you get really strange looks 01:32:01.980 --> 01:32:05.680 And I said I have a real problem with this 01:32:07.280 --> 01:32:11.100 Nobody died or hardly anyone died or I mean, okay shumaka had a 01:32:12.040 --> 01:32:20.220 But wasn't he wearing a helmet? I forget but but I don't like the idea that there are helmet dances patrolling every every 01:32:21.180 --> 01:32:24.580 Every every slope and I said it's like it's like the starsy 01:32:24.580 --> 01:32:29.420 It's like the lives of others that that movie. I don't really I love that film. That's a great film 01:32:29.420 --> 01:32:34.840 Yeah, and I said I don't mind so much people in the actual starsy 01:32:34.840 --> 01:32:36.360 I what I 01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:42.200 Resent is the way that the whole of the citizenry has been mobilized in support of this 01:32:42.200 --> 01:32:49.000 So those people sort of giving you funny looks if you're not wearing a crash helmet and she said yes, but on the other hand 01:32:49.700 --> 01:32:56.360 Traumatic head injuries and and and also people might feel uncomfortable blah blah blah. I said, you know the problem with you 01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:00.680 You don't you've never grown up in a world where where you were free 01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:07.840 Your generation doesn't know what freedom looks like. I I remember remember a period where we could do pretty much 01:33:08.590 --> 01:33:09.480 What we liked 01:33:10.110 --> 01:33:13.200 And your generation does not it does not know that world 01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:16.480 The next generation is going to it's going to know even less what it's like 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:20.880 I think that people don't realize that real freedom comes with with 01:33:21.780 --> 01:33:25.160 Certain dangers. I guess you could put it or or possible hazards 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:30.000 And now we are we've turned towards safetyism and convenience 01:33:30.860 --> 01:33:35.180 Uh, and yeah, I mean the our very conception of freedom, you know at this point 01:33:35.180 --> 01:33:37.020 I'm sure it's very similar in the uk 01:33:37.020 --> 01:33:41.500 It's like, you know freedom is now where you get to choose between a selection of 01:33:42.040 --> 01:33:45.420 Precurated options, you know and then the the best thing too, of course 01:33:45.420 --> 01:33:49.620 That the way that you show that you're free is that once you've chosen your your choice, which has already been 01:33:50.280 --> 01:33:53.600 Preselected, uh, you're supposed to argue with people who chose the different choice 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:57.040 And that's how you show that you're living in a vibrant democracy, you know 01:33:57.040 --> 01:34:00.180 Everyone's arguing over I chose this thing that was already pre-select 01:34:00.180 --> 01:34:03.680 I chose this one and and then you grab each other by the neck and 01:34:04.140 --> 01:34:08.680 Defriend each other on facebook and that's how you show that you're living a vibrant free 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:09.780 democracy 01:34:09.780 --> 01:34:14.440 Yeah, that's what that's what they get. Did you ever hear about this thing we had called brexit? 01:34:14.860 --> 01:34:15.760 Oh, yeah, of course 01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:20.500 Yeah, we were given this this and it lasted they dragged it on for years 01:34:20.500 --> 01:34:24.760 It was like and it turned into the english civil war 01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:29.820 Where families were divided brothers were divided from brothers and uncles from up 01:34:30.300 --> 01:34:31.860 It was it was and 01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:38.340 There are still people who who will freeze me out because I I chose the wrong side in this 01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:40.900 war and and the net result was 01:34:41.460 --> 01:34:47.900 Nothing nothing changed everything got worse. That was right. You had the legacy bitterness, but 01:34:48.780 --> 01:34:52.960 It's like the the smo. You're right. Yeah, like nothing has been gained 01:34:53.440 --> 01:34:56.560 Just ruining friendships and families. Yeah. Yeah 01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:01.040 yeah, I did I I went to buy some um 01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:01.840 some 01:35:02.440 --> 01:35:06.680 Groceries today in the supermarket and the woman was lamenting the fact that they were 01:35:07.460 --> 01:35:12.160 I mean, I'm surrounded by beautiful countryside good hunt country 01:35:12.820 --> 01:35:13.800 and with these 01:35:14.360 --> 01:35:19.800 remote villages and stuff, but I saw one of the most remote idyllic villages is about to have a 01:35:20.600 --> 01:35:21.560 housing development 01:35:22.200 --> 01:35:28.180 And there isn't there is no reason that place does it needs a housing development likely needs a hole in the head 01:35:28.180 --> 01:35:32.820 There is no reason for it the people who live in that housing development are going to have no affection for the area 01:35:32.820 --> 01:35:38.360 And no no sympathy no understanding of what makes that the countryside so especially it's just a dormitory 01:35:38.360 --> 01:35:41.200 For for for the cities. That's all it's going to be 01:35:41.200 --> 01:35:43.740 And they're not good. They're not going to get 01:35:43.740 --> 01:35:46.180 What happened with it? 01:35:46.180 --> 01:35:54.080 Am I wrong in thinking that like architecture has been completely corrupted to the point where it's it's literally like a war against uh, like 01:35:54.660 --> 01:35:57.080 Totally totally, but that's been happening 01:35:57.860 --> 01:36:02.340 Since well you think about when brutalism came in when was that in the in the 01:36:02.340 --> 01:36:02.700 I was like the 01:36:04.240 --> 01:36:08.640 Okay, I suppose it was and and look abuse a was was was yeah 01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:13.660 Yeah, so I mean like why is there not like a single architect in the world who has any shame? 01:36:13.900 --> 01:36:15.400 You know like what what happened? 01:36:16.360 --> 01:36:21.520 Because it's such a beautiful art form and and somehow we just destroyed it within a generation 01:36:22.460 --> 01:36:27.600 This this this goes goes to my point that I was having with the conversation with with this woman in the shot 01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:28.300 I said 01:36:28.300 --> 01:36:32.040 What you have to understand is that this is all 01:36:32.340 --> 01:36:33.060 deliberate 01:36:33.060 --> 01:36:37.620 Yeah, yeah want to crush us. They want to make us miserable. In fact, I was gonna I was trying to 01:36:38.190 --> 01:36:38.720 I think 01:36:40.180 --> 01:36:45.300 Jacob Jacob Nordengard, I think yeah written about this um 01:36:46.100 --> 01:36:49.680 And he describes the moment when 01:36:50.630 --> 01:36:51.580 Whoever it was 01:36:53.220 --> 01:36:54.540 entered um 01:36:56.100 --> 01:37:01.640 Constantinople and they saw the the the the eastern the the um 01:37:03.040 --> 01:37:08.100 The eastern uh christian empire at its at its zenith 01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:15.780 And they were so overwhelmed by the beauty that that they wept that we are meant to seek beauty beauty 01:37:15.780 --> 01:37:21.980 Yes, yes lifts the soul. Yes people building these things. In fact 01:37:21.980 --> 01:37:26.760 My son had just he's been in in paris and he'd been to the pear lashes 01:37:27.540 --> 01:37:27.960 cemetery 01:37:28.660 --> 01:37:31.900 and he sent a photograph back of 01:37:32.700 --> 01:37:33.880 Oscar Wilde's tomb 01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:38.860 And you kind of think I mean Oscar Wilde was probably an asset wasn't he I should think 01:37:38.860 --> 01:37:44.140 Yeah, he had an agenda because how good how good a playwright was he really? 01:37:44.300 --> 01:37:49.280 I think he was probably a bit of shit. He came up with an aphorism, but then I mean so did so did allegedly 01:37:49.280 --> 01:37:53.600 uh, Albert Einstein and Mark Twain and they were assets as well 01:37:53.600 --> 01:37:55.480 I I don't believe anything anymore, but 01:37:56.080 --> 01:37:59.820 If you were going to have a tomb for Oscar Wilde, yeah 01:38:00.430 --> 01:38:04.440 It would be it would have to be camp and probably with lots of 01:38:04.440 --> 01:38:09.680 It would probably be found as the actual it would probably be kind of ord. Aubrey Beardsley esk 01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:14.200 It would be yeah, yeah, the art art nouveau ish. It would be something 01:38:15.460 --> 01:38:17.760 And instead it's this weird thing 01:38:18.620 --> 01:38:19.620 designed by 01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:26.800 by Jacob Epstein who was who was one of the kind of you know modernist sculptures and it looks just kind of 01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:28.440 totally unosca wildish 01:38:29.080 --> 01:38:29.920 and and 01:38:30.440 --> 01:38:33.500 My wife said to me. I wonder why he designed it that way and I said 01:38:34.040 --> 01:38:38.100 Because it was his job. He was a modernist sculptor 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:44.720 and and he had to create things that are kind of ugly and and because 01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:46.980 Ugly vacation was his mission 01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:49.760 It's been incredible. You're like professional 01:38:50.360 --> 01:38:56.720 Ugly fires like let's just make everything terrible. That's your job because if you've read 01:38:57.280 --> 01:39:00.300 You probably haven't that weird science fiction book that 01:39:01.040 --> 01:39:03.360 CS Lewis wrote a science fiction trilogy 01:39:04.980 --> 01:39:05.500 and 01:39:07.280 --> 01:39:13.040 The third book in the trilogy is called that hideous strength and and there's a there's a section on this where 01:39:13.740 --> 01:39:17.120 The guy who wants to progress up the 01:39:17.780 --> 01:39:18.760 Up the ladder 01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:22.320 He wants to join the inner circle of the of the people who make the dissit 01:39:22.320 --> 01:39:24.460 You know, he wants to join the cabal basically 01:39:25.060 --> 01:39:29.880 And and part of this this process of his if his training process is to become 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:35.580 Is to go into this room where the symmetry is all wrong and and where the eye is forced to kind of 01:39:36.220 --> 01:39:37.700 Deal with these jarring 01:39:39.820 --> 01:39:44.420 It's the opposite of the golden mean. It's the opposite. It's it's the opposite of symmetry is opposite 01:39:45.100 --> 01:39:50.180 We we all understand what beauty looks like and if you can surround 01:39:50.660 --> 01:39:53.080 Beauty loving people with ugliness 01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:58.260 It lowers the spirits. It weakens the the the 01:39:59.220 --> 01:40:02.940 The power to resist and that's what's going on. It's been going for years 01:40:03.780 --> 01:40:04.640 I'm a scary 01:40:05.160 --> 01:40:05.500 um 01:40:06.100 --> 01:40:08.820 I do hope that our conversation 01:40:09.540 --> 01:40:15.280 Doesn't mean that i'm going to get banned from going to russia because oh, I doubt it 01:40:16.660 --> 01:40:19.400 I do love it. I I I just 01:40:19.400 --> 01:40:21.360 And I want to I want to learn the language 01:40:21.360 --> 01:40:25.560 I'm but I'm gonna have to find a way of doing it that's not on dueling there because I that didn't work for me 01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:32.260 It's a very it's a it's a very difficult one to tackle, but I'm sure with uh persistence with persistence 01:40:32.260 --> 01:40:39.580 Yeah, well, I'm very sorry for what's happened to you and and your your partner and your and your boy. I mean, yeah 01:40:40.440 --> 01:40:42.600 How's how is he coping without russia? 01:40:43.660 --> 01:40:48.900 You know, I he obviously he left a lot of things behind. Um, but 01:40:49.500 --> 01:40:56.080 He's a young lad who likes cheese pizza. How does the United States? Is he's uh, he is eight years old 01:40:56.660 --> 01:41:00.620 Don't let Riley. Don't let him eat american junk food all the time 01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:06.760 I know food is so bad. I know it's actually it's terrible. It's terrible 01:41:06.760 --> 01:41:11.180 Uh, we're not planning on staying in the United States for much longer. So we're just where are you gonna go? 01:41:12.160 --> 01:41:17.600 Um, we the right now our tentative plan is to actually go to central europe 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:20.660 I have some friends there and they have a nice little village 01:41:21.360 --> 01:41:23.700 Outpost and garden slash farm 01:41:23.700 --> 01:41:29.600 So we might hang out there for a bit until we get our bearings and then I don't know 01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:32.720 I mean, we're still looking for something that will be a little bit more long term, but 01:41:33.340 --> 01:41:37.400 Uh, we just really miss, you know, we miss nature. We miss the countryside 01:41:37.400 --> 01:41:41.560 We miss the simplicity and you can find that in a lot of places. Obviously it was 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:45.060 Russia has lots of room for that kind of living. It certainly does 01:41:45.060 --> 01:41:48.160 You can you can find it. You can find it almost anywhere. So 01:41:48.740 --> 01:41:49.100 no 01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:53.420 Well, good luck and and thank you for um 01:41:53.900 --> 01:41:57.380 You've been waiting a long time to come on the podcast. I've been meaning to have you for some time and say 01:41:57.380 --> 01:42:01.040 No, I mean, thank you so much for the invite. It's really great to talk and um, 01:42:01.280 --> 01:42:06.680 Honestly, I I hope you do get back to russia because like I said, it's it's sort of beautiful incredible country 01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:10.220 I mean, it's it's a lot to take in a lot of good a lot of bad 01:42:10.220 --> 01:42:15.220 But um and anyone listening try to get to russia. It's a it's a really it's an experience 01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:18.580 Um, now where can people find you? 01:42:19.180 --> 01:42:23.740 I mean, I don't mean as as into knocking your door directly. I mean, where can they read you? 01:42:24.980 --> 01:42:27.180 Yeah, uh, I mean, I'm basically just on substack 01:42:27.180 --> 01:42:31.820 Unfortunately now that they're uh complying with all these crazy digital id laws 01:42:31.820 --> 01:42:36.960 I don't know what I'm gonna do. But yeah, I'm on substack edwardslawsquad.substack.com 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:41.200 I'm also on telegram, but I rarely post but you can find me on telegram too 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:42.600 So, yeah 01:42:43.420 --> 01:42:50.060 Great. Thank you very much. And everyone else if you enjoyed this, um, uh, if you're the fsb 01:42:50.060 --> 01:42:53.040 I'm sorry if I if I upset you I please let me come back 01:42:53.040 --> 01:42:55.480 I do not like 01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:57.040 um 01:42:57.040 --> 01:42:59.200 Uh, yeah 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:05.980 Please do consider becoming a paid subscriber. Um, this is my this is my my living. 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