later on, but you're living in Copenhagen, right? Yeah, I'm in Copenhagen, Denmark. I'm from Chicago
originally. Yep. Yeah, that's nice. What brought you out there? Oh, yeah, I came here years ago
in 98 with a band and then ended up married, had a kid and was torn around lived in England,
went around the world for a year. So yeah, I just life, life just happened. Nice. Yeah,
do you like it out there? I've kind of done the same thing where I live in Budapest right
now, but I'm from Lincoln, Nebraska. So I've been here for about four years and I met my
girlfriend and I've just been here since. So kind of similar. Yeah, it's really cool. I mean,
I left America so long ago. I feel more Europeanized now, you know, since nine, I mean, it's been
27 years. It's more than half my life. I've been over here. So I love the States, but
I just don't feel American anymore. Definitely. Yeah. So I guess going into the whole
truth aspect of things, what started your whole journey of being curious and looking for truth?
And, you know, what has been your North Star, I guess, in finding truth?
I don't really know. I think like looking way back, sort of 9-11, I think for a lot of people
before that, I had already been looking at some stuff like the, the spider's web about the
U.S. funding Iraq, you know, the flight I ran through farm credits through Banco Internationale
in Italy and selling them cluster bombs through Brazil under farm credit. So I was like, I already
knew there was some dodgy crap going on. And I think 9-11, I think it was that loose change
documentary really a buddy sent it to me was like, check this out. And I was like, whoa.
So then I kind of started digging in like, what's going on here? And, you know,
as you start going down the rabbit holes, I found G Edward Griffith and Jordan Maxwell and,
you know, David Ike, Alan Watt, the Scottish guy cutting through the matrix. And I started
to find some people and then that led me down into the occult. And I started getting a lot
into the occult. And because I realized like the people behind the curtains, they are using
numerology, gematria, occult rituals, they're doing things on certain dates.
And you know, you just start digging, you start diving down the holes and you find out most of
them are dead ends put there on purpose to keep you doing that, you know, so it kind of was
that. And then, yeah. And then I took all kinds of different routes. I got into health and
virology and that fraud back. And when my son was born, I wanted to know, should I vaccinate
or not? Because I had family members hurt by vaccines and I had, you know, I had been sick
myself from some. So, yeah, I just started getting into all kinds of roads of research. And then
you find out histories alive. So I start going down the history route. And eventually after 20,
you know, I've been studying all this stuff since 2004 or five, you start to find out it
all keeps coming back full circle and into the same places, you know, and you go, oh, okay,
this is all connected. So that's kind of where we're at now, you know, I'm just one of the,
I'm one of the new OGs, I guess you'd call it, you're like the OG, you know, you're like the new
before me, there was only like, like I said, five or there's only a handful of researchers,
you know, Dr. John Coleman. So I'm standing on the shoulders of those guys and taking Michael
Tisarian and taking it farther. And now after 20 years, I'm like one of the new OG grandpas
passing the torch on to the younger generation. So it's interesting. It's great.
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. What do you think are some of the most, you know,
mind boggling things that you've uncovered along in the journey?
I mean, right now I'm working on a finish in a film called Apocalypse Infinity, where I'm going back to
the hidden ancient Irish origins of civilization that it all came out of Ireland, which was probably
post what they call Atlantis. It didn't come out of Africa, it didn't come from east to west,
like they claim. These Irish Druids are the ones who went around the whole world
teaching religion, science, arts, astronomy, all these, you hear about these blue-eyed red-haired
people that all the natives say turned up and taught these languages, which is an ancient
hidden language, Galga. And that kind of leads into the Luciferian Setian Atmos.
It's called the Roman thing, it's kind of the Jews, you know, but you start to find out that
there's a rogue branch of these druidic sorcerers who have been running the world for a long time,
thousands of years. And it's a rogue branch of these people, and they've been hiding our true
history through religions, creating the Abrahamic religion so they can get people
to follow their bidding to do what we call the New World Order, which isn't New at all,
it's very old. But you ever noticed, I talked to a lot of people, they think the Bible is
coming through the prophecies, you know, they're like, it does seem like that until you understand
they're doing this on purpose, because this is how they get people to do what they want,
they're playing chess over many, many centuries. So I find that all really, really fascinating.
I just find it all really fascinating, and I love the occult, I'm really into the occult.
Yeah, I'd definitely like to go into that more, but I have a quick question. And so in regards
to that, how would you say that modern technology is playing an impact on that? Because, you know,
the area that I really focus on with my father is we talk about privacy, and basically they're
creating a control grid, in my opinion, where they want to, you know, control every aspect of
your life through digital IDs, CBDCs, a social credit system. And another area that I talk
about that is the propaganda that they're able to spread to the youth, the way that they're
able to basically brainwash people and do this, what I call it mass individual propaganda,
because they have this profile on you, and then they're able to brainwash you. So
how would you say that modern technology is kind of impacting this?
I would say that modern technology and the way you're describing it, and we can get into
AI, I saw a video because I'm not so familiar with you and your dad's work, but I saw your
very against AI, which is interesting, I have friends on both sides, because it is being used
nefariously. What I would say is the whole technocracy of this modern infrastructure of control
is just an extension of the same mind control they used to do naturally. These people are masters
of psychology and the human psyche. They have been studying, they spend billions on think tanks
and studies, they know our psychology and they have known this for thousands of years.
They know how we tick, they know that we repeat what we see, monkey see, monkey do. In fact,
my friend Jason Kristoff, I don't know if you know him, he's got a new documentary plan at
mind control. It's really good, it's only an hour and people should watch it. So they've
already known this, what they're just doing is bringing it into a new age. They're also
into transhumanism because the old druidic religion, they branched off from, those people
believed and I'm not saying that the world, this has happened, they believe that everyone incarnates
for about a thousand years until they get seven perfected cycles where we get rid of the need
for all the physical, the sex, all the fun, all the shit going on in your food.
These people don't, and then you perfect what's called your solar body or your christed body
and you don't incarnate here anymore. You move on to another layer of existence. They don't want
that. They want to be kings and gods on earth. They have no, no desire to get out of here.
So while they're here, they want to be kings of the roost and they do a lot of inbreeding.
They have a lot of strange beliefs that make them think they keep incarnating into these
same families, whether they do or don't, I don't know, but they have beliefs like this.
So part of the technocracy is longevity for them. Part of it is get rid of us. They want
the robots to take over us because there's too many of us to control. It gets really hard.
The computers are going to be one way to do it, but not even only 60% of the world are even on
all this modern infrastructure. There's still a lot of people sitting out in jungles and shit.
They might have a cell phone, but that's about it. They're not going to put them on digital
ID out in the jungles of Thailand. It's not going to happen or the slums of India.
So that's one part too. The technocracy, to me, as I see it, is just a modern extension of what
they've always known, which is mind control. And it's really all about energy. So everything
is energy. They farm us as cattle, but what they're farming is our energy. We give our
work and attention into money, which is called currency, current, electric currency.
And that's what this is all about is they want to put an energetic value on everything,
every blade of grass, every toaster. You won't be able to open your fridge if they get your way
because it'll be like fat. So you've eaten this much cheese already. You've hit your cheese
quota to lock your fridge on you or your card will shut off or you've hit your meat quota.
Now you've got to eat bugs for the next two months. But that's really what they're doing
is they're trying to put an energetic price tag on everything and control it all. That's what I
see. What do you and your father see from your end of that side? I think that's right. I mean,
the whole thing is they just want to set up this system where they can monitor at your
every move and then use. So Glenn is definitely very not against AI. He sees it more as a tool
and it can be good or bad depending on the purpose. I agree with that to some degree, but I think
a lot of people are just unaware and they're using it dangerously. It's kind of like a gun
if you're using a gun without knowing how to use it properly basically. And also how it's being
used against us. So I think really we're being conditioned to fall into convenience,
this trap of convenience where you want the easiest thing, especially the youth. I really
think they're under attack with social media, how they get drawn into it, how it really messes
with their dopamine. And I don't know. I think a lot of people feel very hopeless. And I think
that's part of it where they feel hopeless. And then they create these artificial problems. So they
have artificial solutions that allow a system of control. And then that's how they gain more
power. That is the mind control right there. You've just nailed it. You notice when you
look around your regular life, everything's pretty good unless you live in Gaza or you're getting
blown up in the Middle East right now. But usually everything's great. Everyone around you is pretty
cool. Then you turn on your computer or your TV or your radio and all of a sudden, oh my God,
everything is terrible. And you're like, is it really though? They are just bombarding you
with that constantly. And the dopamine is a big one. All the dopamine hits and the attention
span, you notice when we were growing up the cartoons in the 70s, they would sit on scenes a
little longer and they'd have long conversations. Now it's flashing every three seconds. And this
is carrying over and the kids adult attention spans. They can't pay attention because they're
used to every two seconds something is moving or changing. And the dopamine is causing mental
illness. That's why you're seeing a lot this is known like too much dopamine causes mental illness.
And a lot of what we see in the left, especially in America, I don't know about you and Budapest,
I don't see like so many of these crazy, you know, extreme laughs. I'm not saying I'm,
I have no problem with the left or the right. It's the extremes on both sides that are
fucking nuts are part of my friends. And I think you're seeing a lot of that crazy because
of this dopamine addiction. And I think it's there on purpose. And AI is, is now taking over quite a
lot of these feeds or scroll, I don't know, whatever you call these reels, I guess they call them on
TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. A lot of it's just AI generated now. And it's just they're
five seconds of nonsense. It's a waste of even looking at, and it's just the cartoon 3.0.
It's just messing with your brain so that you don't have the attention span to pay attention
and focus and do things that are important. So I'm with you. I think the AI can be a tool and
will be for some people. I have heard every time you do an AI search, it takes like a liter of
water or something to do it. I don't know if this is true. But since waters are most
precious commodity fresh water, people, I mean, they're already want to control the water,
and they're moving it around in the sky via geoengineering. Do you really want to be
wasting the last of our drinking water on this shit doing AI searches?
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think people are really out of balance in life altogether. I mean, people
always say touch grass, but then they go outside and they are still on their phones.
And one of the things I talk about is when my father would go out, you know,
maybe he clocks off work, and then he goes to see his friends, maybe they go bowling or a
bar or whatever. He's fully disconnected. He's there in the moment. But now you go out with people
and they're just constantly connected to their phone. Maybe they're still working, maybe,
you know, whatever, they're scrolling, but there's never this disconnect. And it's,
I always talk about this. So if you're listening and you've heard me say this before,
sorry, but I really love Leonardo da Vinci. And he was a genius because he was curious.
And the problem is he was curious. I mean, he was curious because he was bored.
And no one's bored anymore, especially the youth. They're not bored because they have this constant
dopamine drip. And so I think that's really causing ourselves to become, you know,
blind in a lot of ways. I, well, that's interesting. You say that, Eric, because
they're not bored, bored, but they're spiritually bored. They have no creativity.
They have no desire to draw or paint like all the paintings in my house. They're mine. I
made them. They don't want to write books. They don't want, they can't even read books
anymore. They just want like video or audio. So it's that their imagination has been stolen
from them. So they're, they need to be fed activity rather than creativity. That's the
huge difference between them and us. Now that said, like, I'm the same. I take, I don't have a car
in Copenhagen. You're probably the same in Budapest. You don't need one. Like it drives me nuts. I
can't get on and off the train like in a busy time. There's people looking in their phone
walking through, you know, you're like, get the f out of the way. Like the door's open and there's 40 of
us trying to ram in and out and you got your face and your phone like, come out to the real world,
bro. You know, like, you know, that said, there's pictures of people in the 30s and 40s and 50s
sitting on. There's 200 newspapers open. They're on their way to work with their face planted
in the newspaper. So they were, they were doing the same shit then the phone is just the
new newspaper. And the way I see it. So we forget that there's nothing new under the sun.
But I agree. I see it when because I work in bars, I'm a singer and a entertainer. I see my generation
when we're at the bar, we're talking to each other and about things. And I see the younger
people like you're saying face planted in their phone. And it's going to be really hard on
relationships, you know, these kids can't even go on a date anymore. As soon as one goes to
the toilet, the other one's like phone quick. I've got two minutes, you know,
or they're doing it right at the table. I've seen that with two, two kids. They're both looking
at their phone. You're like, you're on a date. What are you doing, you know? But again, we're
choosing to do that. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. So what do you think it will take for people to
kind of get out of it? Do you feel optimistic? I agree with what you're saying about the
spiritual boredom. I'm trying to like this last year, I've written a book. I love art.
And I love actually, I haven't done music in a while, but I want to get back to it. But I think
that is a huge component that people are missing in their life right now.
Yeah, I think certain people will just get back to it. It's the same. I never did get on
Instagram or TikTok or any of this and people keep telling me though you have a channel.
I get, you know, 5 million views on X and 2 million views on TikTok and I only get 5,000 on
YouTube. I'm like, yeah, but do I want to be sitting on X and Twitter and Instagram? I don't
want to look at that. I already hate looking at my own comment threads. There's already too many,
so I don't want that. But I think it's just like when you get, you know, when we were
kids and you played a board game too many, you can only play Monopoly so many times when you're
like, I'm bored of this. So I'm hoping people will get bored of all this Facebook and TikTok
and Instagram and all this crap and want to go outside. I just saw a video of a,
I can't remember who was talking, but he took his kids, took his kids out for like three days
in a cabin where they just had a VCR with some videos the kids didn't want to see and
know anything. And he said, like for two days, the kids were going nuts. But on day three,
they went outside and started to play in the woods and they're out at night with a $2 flashlight,
you know, like having the time of their life. So it only really took two days to disconnect.
But you know, like, you know how the dopamine is, you're going to, if you're addicted to it,
you're going to have withdrawal. It's going to be really hard to put that phone away. I
bet if I bet even myself, I bet if I lost my phone for three days, I'd be going nuts
for like two of them. Yeah. And I think that's one of the things that it's, it's a pretty insidious
and addiction because it's, it's like a McDonald's or Doritos or something because in a way,
if let's say someone's addicted to heroin, I think that is kind of easier to quit than McDonald's
or like a phone because every time if they decide to quit, if they go back, they know
that they can screw up their whole life. They could just, you know, cut that part
of their life out. But McDonald's or for these phones, they're everywhere. They're
normalized. You know, it's so easy. Your phone is with you at all times. You, it's that I think
in a way that makes it one of the hardest addictions for the youth to get out over.
Yeah, I think so. And, and it's all, I mean, the other, the, the great thing is I get it
like these phones have a compass. There's a calculator. There's a message you can get
on a map if you're lost. Like these things do everything that would have been amazing to
have, you know, when I was a kid, like, Oh my God. But at the same time, I remember the
days where you go out and meet your friends and like, if you had to be downtown Chicago
at X o'clock, if you weren't there, we're leaving. We can't have no way to get a hold
of you that we did have answering machines at home. So sometimes we could go to a payphone
and say, Hey, it's what o'clock we're leaving. We'll be over there for 20 minutes.
You know, and you could call home and get that. But that was it. You had to
be in it or you're out, you know, and you don't have that anymore. It's also the same.
I think we're also bombarded with too much intercommunication. And the old days, you
know, great, you get a letter from someone handwritten out for three pages and you're
like, wow, that, and you'd write, it would take a month or two till, you know,
now people are texting you instantly, instantly, instantly, and they want to
reply right now, you know, and it's like, dude, I, I have a life and so should you.
Like, I can't sit here texting 500 people all day talking about the weather. Like,
we're just not supposed to talk about all this stupid crap all the time. We, you know,
we don't talk about anything of substance because we're too busy. What are you doing
right now? It's like, who cares? Yeah, what? Yeah, what do you, the question is,
why aren't you doing something where you care what I'm doing right now? You know,
that's the way I see it. But is that just the way it is right now? I don't know.
I can't see everyone just throwing their phones away. Although, you know, you're,
you're more in the tech, you and your dad, this is your area. I have heard a lot more people are
buying these old like Nokia flip phones and shit like that and just saying, fuck it, I just want
text and call. So do you, how do you guys see that trend? Yeah, I think so. I mean, so one
of our biggest things is if we're in tech, more so just we care about privacy for freedom,
for liberty, not for the sake of tech. So we do recommend, you know, digital minimalism. That's
a great way you can be private. And we have seen a lot of people are taking that trend up. I,
I try to be as minimalistic. I work too much. So I need to stop working and get out more. But
one of the reasons I went to Budapest actually was just because I felt like
just kind of trapped with how everyone I knew was just so on their phone all the time. They
wouldn't go out. They wouldn't do anything. And I just wanted to get out in Europe is
definitely more social still thing. I mean, one thing people could do if they have time is just
get out for a half an hour or 40, if you have time for 20 minutes, an hour,
leave your phone at home and just go outside and take a walk. Look around. If you get into
like tartare and stuff and you live like us, you happen to be in Europe, go look at the
buildings, you know, I walk around now looking at the roofs of all these buildings and all this
architecture. And I'm like, wow, I never looked at this stuff before. So you don't even have to
be doing anything. Just go out and take a walk and look around and, you know, say hi to somebody
once in a while, a stranger, you know, look them in the eye, take them by surprise, look them in
the eyes, start up a conversation with someone and just see, you know, that you don't have
to sit around painting or writing books or doing all that creative stuff. I think that's just one
thing people can do is just get outside. That that's like a main thing. And also when you get home
from work, if you have a day job or night like disconnect, you know, stop, stop talking about
your working job, stop talking about shit that's not going on right now right here,
you know, start to get more in the moment and in the game. I know a lot of people
like Scandinavians are famous for that. They are obsessed with talking about work.
You can't go to a dinner or party. They're like, I'm going to talk about my job. You're like,
why you sit at it 50 hours a week, you want to talk about it the other 50 hours? Like, I don't
get it. Yep. Yep. Definitely. So would you mind telling me a little bit more about the
cold stuff that you've learned about and that you're into? Well, I mean, that's just a massive
monster topic that I mean, that that could take, you know, hours and hours, but
maybe the base layer just for someone listening that's never kind of gotten into it.
I mean, the first thing I would do is I don't know if you've ever heard of Zachary K Hubbard,
Jamatria Effect News 25 on YouTube, and he's got Jamatria Effect Sports.
The, just the most basic thing you can do is start looking into Jamatria, which is the
practice, the occult practice of coding letters into numbers and then those numbers add up into
words. So we are taught, we learn words in our schools. When you're in these secret
societies, they speak numbers. A is one, B is two, C is three, or there's a reverse, or
when 13 gets applied to numerology, one plus three becomes four. And you find out that our calendar,
our Roman Catholic, Gregorian calendar and our language, our English language, was set up as a
numerology code by these advanced elites. You will start to see that everything that happened
from Trump just bombing Iran to October 7th and 9 11, all of these things are done on purpose
in a numerical code on certain days because they carry a numerical energy.
And once you get this, and our sports are rigged, I'm sorry for all the people who love like NFL
and all this, it's totally fixed. It's as fixed as WWF. And once you have these codes,
you can start to learn that and see that. And then you can start seeing, okay,
everything I see on the news, every story, every whatever, it's rigged by this code.
These people are doing it on purpose. You stop thinking, oh, Donald Trump some more on, you know,
I had chat GBT the other day. I tried to find the page in the art of the deal, the Donald Trump's
book. In one of the pages, he said the most influential person in my life was my Jamatria
teacher. Now, that's a pretty massive statement. This and he wrote that book before he was
president. Well, where did you get a Jamatria teacher for starters? Why do you have a
Jamatria teacher and why of all the people, a billionaire playboy like Donald Trump back in
those days and businessman, would you credit that guy? Why wouldn't you credit everyone else?
And it's because they know they do everything in the way they see it.
This reality is sort of like the matrix, you could say that the ancient Druids figured
out there is a numerical code or there's a mathematics, let's say, to this reality. And
what they figured out is rather than fighting that they can sort of hack the code, so to speak.
And if they start doing these certain things on certain dates with certain energetics,
and they mimic those but change them, they have more of a profound effect on the totality of,
let's call it the matrix or the reality code. This is why 9-11, all these numbers people are like,
how come the planes keep hitting at this number? And there's all these 9s and 11s and
the Jesuit number is 201 and two towers fall into zero. And then they build one more
event 201 for the convid pandemic. Once you start to learn these codes, you go,
okay, I see what these people are doing. And this is also how they talk to each other,
because do you speak Chinese? Can you read Chinese? Me neither, right? So if two people
wanted to talk right in front of us without us knowing they would write Chinese or speak Chinese,
that's what they do. They speak in numbers and all these news articles to each other.
You'll notice they're obsessed with telling you the shooter's age or his name's weird and
doesn't sound right or what time exactly this happened. You're like, oh, not 920, a roughly
920, it's 921. You'll start to see they're talking to each other in number codes right in our face
over the daily news stories, sports scores, and we can't see it. Might as well be Chinese.
So that's one of the main things I would tell people is start to get into this. Once you do,
you don't need to follow the daily events and encode them all out. You start to see it's
all BS. And that's when you unplug from the matrix. You don't care about the news story anymore. You
know, oh my God, they did this and you're like, oh my God, they released the Epstein files. You're
like, yeah, you know, you're like, I get it. It's totally that's on purpose. They want you
to see the Epstein files. They want you to see them redacted. They want you to think your
entire government is a bunch of loser inept incompetent people because they want to
bring in what the AI government, they want the technocracy in. So now they, you know, all of us
conspiracy theorists have been telling everyone for 20 years or 50 years, everyone in government's
corrupt and evil. Now the corrupt and evil government media tell you they are and everyone's
like, oh, okay, you know, you're like, well, why do they want you to see it now after they
trolled us for 20 or 50 years? How come they're suddenly saying what we've been saying?
Yeah, it's now like you're talking about they're ready for the switch. So
problem reaction solution, right? A Gaelian dialectic. They, the problem is they put in all
these corrupt seeming people. Now they show us they're corrupt and now we want them to get rid
of them. And what do they get? And they're going to offer us the replacement, which,
as you said, is this AI technocracy. Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, I've thought about
that a lot, you know, just how they've, because what I've understood with the algorithm, how they show
you things is people say, oh, I'm breaking out of the matrix. And then at the same time,
they're in front of everyone's screen in the world that, you know, it doesn't add up. And
what basically whatever they show you is something that you, you know, they're
showing you on purpose. And so I've been wondering a lot. Why are they showing
so much, you know, corruption? And I think it's because they're kind of ushering us to the
next stage, which is, it is crazy. But yeah. Yeah, they're ready for us to see the corruption.
The reason they trolled us, you know, us old OG truthers before is because there wasn't enough
of it in place yet where they were ready to make the switch. And maybe the
technocracy, the AI, the technology might not have been ready 20 years ago or 15 years ago.
So they had to, they have to keep it under wraps. It's the same. So you're in Budapest.
So they've been letting all these immigrants in from all over, you know, these
ruining France and Sweden. And they're all young men of fighting age and this and that. And
we're like, oh my God, they're flooding. They're flooding. Well, see, we think,
we think, oh, they're going to do like an Islamic takeover in our countries. No, no, no, no.
This is the problem reaction solution. They're letting these people in,
then these wars they're doing right now, all this shit they're bombing right now is going to piss
all these Islamic people off so that they want to do their Jihad, Fatwa, Fatma, whatever the hell
they do. Then they're going to start attacking us, but they want them gone too. So that's going to
give them the solution to bring in their NATO armies and wipe out these guys that they brought
in. We're afraid of these young Islamic fighting people are going to take us over.
That's not the plan. The plan is they want us, they want them to start fucking with us so they can
come in and we'll beg them to come in and kill them. And then we'll have military on our streets.
That's the plan. And then come the robot dogs, right? With the guns, it's Robo cops coming
after that. Well, how do you get Robo dogs on the street? You need a reason. So you bring
these guys in, then you piss off all their religion like stir up the Hornets Nest,
and then they come at us and then you've got your reason. That's why they're doing it. See,
once you can see through the game, you know how they play. You don't get all agitated. You're looking
a few moves ahead saying, why are you showing us all these immigrants and refugees? Just like
you said, it's all over the mainstream and alternative. Why? If you see it, they want
you to see it. The stuff they don't want you to see it. I promise you, you will never
see it. Yeah. Yeah. So why do you think it works on most people? I mean, what is it that allows them
to just look at the base layer and not go deeper? Do you think they need some sort of pattern
interrupts that most people don't have? I mean, like the Lord Alfred Milner Society,
Bertrand Russell, these people who set up the Royal Institute of International Affairs,
which later became in America, the Council of Foreign Relations, right? They said in
their own document years ago, they just said that 80% of people can't think for themselves.
They're like robots. They said these people think that we need to be controlled like a
farm in a herd because they say, well, these people can't think for ourselves. Henry Kissinger
said 20 years ago, he said, in 20, 30 years, people will be welcoming UN troops on the streets
of Los Angeles. Well, why would he say that unless they were planning on doing it? The joke is
the reason 80% of people can't think is because these same scumbags relatives in secret societies
have set up our schools and education programs so that we can't think. So that's them.
They're like, oh, you're all stupid. It's like, yeah, but you guys are the ones who made us
all stupid. So you can't use that we're all stupid as an excuse that you need to control
us. That's all is set up too as well. Yeah, absolutely. You know, but I mean, I don't think
people are there's a lot more people awake. I think a lot of the propaganda is that we think
we're all each other are stupid and I just don't think that's true. I know a lot of people who are
anything but stupid. Yeah, me too. No, definitely, definitely. So what about those red herrings?
Because I know you said that some of the some of the paths you went down just kind of were
designed to lead you down, I guess, of red herring. What were some of those?
I mean, there's so many but you know, the the Nibiru is going to crash into us in 2012 and the
alien moon matrix and the alien invasion and it just goes on and on or the the the demonic
Archons. Now the Archons are actually the seven planets. I'm getting into this in my new movie.
The old the old Druetics, they knew that astrology is real that the planets have certain
effects and aspects on us. But there's all these we're being reptilians. There's another
we're being ruled by interdimensional reptilians and none of them have an address and you can't
see them. Isn't that convenient? The boogeyman, you can't find him or prove he's even there.
So you're walking around talking about that shit when the real people,
you know, behind the royal families and in all these institutes and all of the Black
nobility, they have names and addresses. They're not out and they're not lizard people flying
around in outer space. They have names and addresses. That's another one when you get
into a flat earth and the earth cosmology and start taking a look at the ground and
saying, hang on man, this whole place is not where we're at. That's another one.
You start going, shit man. So that's what the red herrings are there for, to keep you
endlessly researching a thing that has no end. You'll never get to the bottom of
because it usually has some kind of unprovable hypothetical boogeyman. You know, it's like
flying unicorns are the reason, you know, like you can spend your whole life looking for a
flying unicorn. You're not going to find it. So that is how they dig these holes.
They don't mind. They owe the Jews, the Rothschilds, the other Cazarians, the Cazarians, they want you
looking at all this crap and you'll never get to the bottom of it. And meanwhile life goes on,
life goes on, the agenda pushes on and on and on. That's what they do and it's still really
hard to liberate yourself. So for me, it's more, it's like not getting attached to it.
I think we need to get back to like, unless you're in politics, we're going to be in politics or
are going to do something, if you're not going to do something about anything,
you are totally retarded to sit around wasting all your time thinking about it,
spending energy on it, doing it, if you're not going to do anything. It's good to know.
I'm not saying we should all be like dummies and not know what's going on,
but don't spend all your time on it. I watch like UK column or 21st century news,
my friend Pat Henningson. I'll watch their news shows once a week. I'll spend an hour and just say,
let me catch up on the basics of what's going on. So I'm not totally clueless,
but I'm not going to sit here all week talking about the story of the day because I know it's
all faked by the numbers anyway. So there's so many people are going to talk about Iran
till the next thing. And they had just found out Donald Trump was banging kids and his kid and
suddenly it's like, oh, we're at war. No one's talking about that anymore.
And then the next one, you remember, remember when they said,
I think when Trump was up for first election, remember they said there was this army of
immigrants marching from South America to Mexico and they were going to be at the U.S. border.
Remember, they were showing it and then he gets elected. Suddenly they don't say a word about it.
You're like, where did they go? Did they evaporate into the ether? Like, remember,
it was a huge story for three weeks. Immigrants would come and the immigrants would come.
Well, then all of a sudden he gets elected. They just vanished into thin air. No,
this is just how they do it. They run these stories. And then when the next one comes
along, you get sucked into the emotional drama. This is mind control. It's always
emotional drama. And, you know, like Jason Kristoff showed, you will repeat what you see or do.
I think Jason said, whatever they show you, what they show you on the screen at lunch
will be out on the streets by dinner. I think he said something like that. And that's true.
Our minds go where they want us to. The best thing I think everyone could do is turn off the
TV, turn off the internet for a few hours a day, go play some card games with your son,
go do something, cook some dinner, have a family chat, play some games. I think if we all had a
little bit more of that personal connection, we wouldn't be going. We only go along with this
because they need our energy. Like I said, transhumanism is an energetic system. Do you ever get
into like Mark Passio on the Latin Trivium? Have you ever studied the Trivium?
Not deeply. I know of them, but I haven't looked into it personally.
Basically, the Trivium is this. It's an old thing that shows what you think is reality or you
take the information that you think is real. And then the next layer is how you process that
or what you think about that information. And the next layer is wisdom. It's how you behave
based on that. So like a real basic form of that mind control was Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
That's the information. Then they come on the TV and keep saying it, saying it over and over,
and you believe that because you don't know if Iraq has them or not or whatever. That's just
some information. Then they keep making you believe it. So now you believe it. Now you
either join the army and blow up Iraq or you don't go out and stop your government from
going and blowing up Iraq because you believe they have it and that he's going to gas curds and
like this. So they've taken this bullshit information. They've made you think one way about it.
Now, to reverse that, you just take the bottom Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.
The next layer is they're going and you go, no, they don't show me proof. You have
shown me no proof. I have seen no one boots on the ground. Therefore, I'm not going to allow
you to do this. That's how you do it. It's the second layer is questioning. Is the first layer
even true or not? Right? And this is how they run their con on us as they give us the news,
gives us disinformation. Then they repeat it and repeat it to make you believe that's true
without even questioning it. And then you will behave how they want you to because the
wisdom comes from your behavior. So that's how they control us. They want, if they control
what information we have and what we think about it, then we will act how they want us to.
That's how they play the game. It's pretty simple and genius.
Yeah. So how do you say people can break out of it? I mean, do you think being skeptical
that second layer just questioning it is enough because in a way, if you think about
just saying no to something that's still being reactionary to it. So is it like
intuition or kind of detachment or what would you say is the way to break out of that?
Well, man, if I knew the answer to that, we'd all be, we would be in the shit.
Some things I would say is yes. Again, are you going to do something about it,
which is the top layer wisdom? So if you are about to take action on some belief,
first of all, take a look at the action, think about the consequences or what's going
to happen or who's going to benefit from your action. But then if you are going to take
the action, definitely spend some time going two layers down and researching is that information
true? Is there proof Iraq has weapons of mass destruction or blah, blah, blah? You know what
I mean? I'm about to act on this. The Chinese are invading. If you're going to do something,
then make sure that you have solid information. So that means you have to turn off Netflix and
spend some time doing research and you can't be like a lazy. This is one thing I hate about
the truth community. And I am one of them in trying very hard not to be that we are the
worst researchers ever. We think like, Oh, well, if it's on TV, it's obvious to lie. But then
it's on Alex Jones or Reddit or, you know, above top secret must be true. And you're like,
no, no, no, they've already got the counter narratives going to that's not you have to
really dig five layers out to see like, when does this BSN and the truth start if you can find it?
You've got to really have due diligence. That's another thing I would say to people is like,
you know, if you're going to get into something really do your homework for real, like stop turning
in D minus assignments, you know what I mean? Like, you need an A plus assignment. Like,
it's because as you know, with the AI and stuff, you aren't going to be able to tell
what's you can tell AI now because usually like the camera, you have to stop looking at what
you're looking at and look at who's filming this and standing right there in front of a tiger and
a stick, you know, like, or this guy, nobody would really be standing there doing this perfectly.
That's you have to get outside of the screen and come to the other side. But like, like,
you know, AI is going to figure that out soon enough. And it's going to start
saying, oh, it's probably learning that from me right now. It's probably going, oh, good point.
So it'll even start to look like a real people filmed it and the music's going to get better.
So we're not going to be able to trust a damn thing soon enough. You know, I'm preaching
to the choir. Probably this is your field. Yep, absolutely. And I think it kind of
requires us to tap into intuition, inspiration. And I think we have to be very careful of
where we put our attention to, like you mentioned earlier, I think a lot of people
use this politics as either like kind of like a supplement to television. It's like a drama.
And they don't ever have an intent to act on it. And so I think you have to be honest with
yourself. Okay, why am I consuming this if it's going to have no impact on my life? Or if it
does, you know, maybe I need to start on that top layer, like you're talking about what
action do I want to take? And then how do I act with intent on it? Dude, you're so on
the money because television is a drama. It's all politics. It's a TV show. It's a circus act.
It's bread and circus. It's a total act and you're right. This is another thing when you're
watching even the news, you'll notice in the background, if you watch like even Alex Jones,
but like mainstream news, you'll see a light slowly getting brighter and softer behind them
brighter. And you'll see spinning like a BBC, there's a spinning logo. These are my these are
hypnotist tricks. These they're putting you in a trance. It's also music. When you start seeing
them putting production pieces, start listening. Is there like music put to that to like agitate
you or make you sad or whatever like, you know, start watching that you need to stop paying
attention to what you're seeing and start zooming out at the whole picture and going,
what's going on here with this total production and how much went into this? And it's the emotion
like you're saying, that's usually where they can get you to make a reaction. Like you asked me,
well, aren't you still reacting? Right? That was a great, great point. You said,
when they can get you emotional in your lower emotions and you can't get control of your
higher rational thinking, that's what the Baphomet is. He's got his one hand pointed
up at Venus and one at the other. He's saying, are you going to be in your higher mind and think
about stuff? Are you going to be controlled by your lower emotional aspect? Not that you shouldn't
have emotions, but you the reason you have a higher mind is to check that because we all know
why do they call it crimes of passion? You can get off for a murder because they know like,
okay, you were you were so upset what she did here. He did that. You just didn't think
straight, man. You killed him and now you're sorry. We believe it. So that's what they're doing.
They're trying to get you in these excited moments where you will then act out of fear
and reaction. It's fear based, fear based mind control. Basically, yeah, you've totally nailed it.
So I'm not telling people don't get emotional. Like, you don't, you don't want to be a sociopath.
Like you should get upset that children are being bombed in Gaza. Like that should piss
you off, but you don't have to be a psychopath about it and then go out and kill the next Jew.
You see, you know what I mean? Like there's a, there's a level of easy bro. Yeah, I was actually
going to ask you about that. And the next question is like, how do we find the balance
point? Because I think if you look at everything, you know, they talk about how modern food is
poison or, you know, you get really introspective about, okay, maybe this I'm listening to some
super heavy music all the time, maybe I should try to lighten up. And then you get into the stage
where you're just constantly thinking about stuff. And then again, you're kind of not living in the
moment. So how do you find the balance point between not being manipulated, but also being aware?
Amazing question, man. That's a really good question. And I would say that you've actually
answered it. First of all, you have to ask yourself, what is consciousness? What is a lot
of people talk about consciousness? And then you ask them, can you define consciousness for me? And
they go, no. Right? Have you ever thought about the definition of consciousness? My definition
of consciousness is being aware of being aware. So in other words, you answered the question,
if you stop looking at all the shit around you and sometimes turn back and look at how
you're interacting with it and thinking about it and behaving about it, look at yourself,
turn the eye back into you. People be like, he's an Illuminati. That's how you become aware,
just like you said. How are you going to say, you know what? I've been listening to like too
much heavy music. I need a break. Well, you're only going to do that if you start looking at
your behavior and going, hang on. Instead of listening to all the heavy music, you turn
around and go, hold on, man. How come I'm sitting here listening to all this heavy
music? You've turned the attention from the music to you. That is the way out of it to
start being more present, meaning being present, watching your own thoughts and behaviors.
That's totally how you get out of this. Because in the end, this is one thing you
learn in the occult, you know, and this is you are only responsible for you and everyone around
you, your actions, you are not responsible for bombing Iran and the new world order and
transhumanism. You're responsible for you and how you interact with the world around you.
That's it. You don't. You might want to help everybody. You know, as all the nurses are
not nurses. What do you call them? What do they call them? Empaths. You know, I'm an empath.
You know, it's like, no, you're not. You're a nosy person who can't keep your
nose out of everyone's business and just take care of yours. That's what you are.
You're getting sad over shit. You have no control over it. You have no job to do.
So stop. But it's not to say you shouldn't have empathy or sympathy. It's to say, like,
you can only control yourself and your realm around you. And so being conscious,
being aware of being aware or taking a look at your actions and your thoughts.
Is this making me angry? Am I constantly angry? Like, okay, yeah, I'm angry that they're
doing this to Gaza. It's pissing me off. Am I then walking into the kitchen at my family dinner
and taking that out on my family and bog Jones and I'm all like, what the fuck don't you care
about what's happening in Gaza? You know, and these families are fighting. You like
Donald Trump and you've got families like fighting over who's left and right in politics
and stuff. That's crazy, man. So the way to stop that is to look at yourself and go,
am I making our family better by starting an argument with my spouse every time
the politics comes up? Then why am I doing that? That's the only good answer I have.
No, I think that's a great answer. I think it's great. Yeah. Well, awesome. I've really enjoyed
all of this. Is there anything else you want to talk about quickly before you go or?
Well, yeah, well, people who don't know me because we didn't even do an intro. So I'm
Steve Faulkner from Space Busters. You can find our channels. We have a YouTube channel
Bitshoot, Odyssey, Rumble and Vigilante TV. I don't know if I miss one. I'm also an author.
I have children's books out that people can get on Amazon. One's called The Dukes of Dents and
the other is The Goons Laser Balloons. They're very kind of like Dr. Seuss. So this one teaches
about agenda 2130 where they were burning cities with the dues to try to put in the railroad
track. So this one has a town called The Toons and the Goons want their fine land and wine plums
and they burn the city at night and one little girl sees it. But at the town hall meeting,
no one believes her. So she's like trying to tell them, all these laser balloons came and
they're like, get out of here. Laser balloons aren't real. So there's always like a moral and
an ethic to the stories. And this one's about these two guys, kind of like Rothschild types
or scenie types. They run this town and they control them all with rules and laws and everything.
It kind of shows the kids how it gets done and how these people can control everything.
And then in the end of this, the kids catch on to them and kick them out. So I like to give
some hope and also make children think because I think that's another lot of our problem is
we treat our children like they're retarded up until they're age four, like would you like a book?
The Jesuit said, give us a child till they're seven and they'll be a Jesuit for life. So
my strategy is we need to start treating children like intelligent beings and then they will stop
growing up to be these 80% of useless babies that these think tanks think we all are.
Well, I would say if you treat your kids in their formative years like morons,
you shouldn't be shocked they grow up to be morons. And you get these books on Amazon.
Yeah, that's pretty much it. Eric, thanks for reaching out. Did you find me through the
Baileys, was it? Or? Yep, yep. Oh, did you? Who'd you have on Mark and Mark? I had both of
them on, yeah. Oh, they're really great. Yeah, I've been friends with them a long time.
Mark and I did a three movie series to his farewell to virology paper. So I did like a seven hours
worth of movies with him making it because most people can't read a paper like that. It's scientifically
just like, it's amazing. So I took on the nearly impossible task of making that into a movie
version that was interesting. And that that series, people can find that anyway. But yeah,
thanks so much for reaching out, man. Yeah, thank you. Now I'll get into your work more too,
because you guys are new to me. Yeah, definitely. I'd love to stay in touch and I'll let you know if
I'm ever in Copenhagen. I've been wanting to go out there. So it'd be cool. Oh, yeah. You know,
I've never been to Budapest. So yeah, let me know if you're in town. It'd be great. I would
love to, man. Yeah, yeah, great. Awesome. All right.