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Frau Schmidt, was stellen Sie sich denn vor für Ihre berufliche Zukunft?
Ich will was echtes machen, wo ich mich voll reinhänge.
Und wenn es fertig ist, mega stolz sein kann.
So was, wofür ich brenne und alle, die mit mir arbeiten auch.
Und ich will das anderes lieben, was ich dafür Sie mache.
Ich will dranbleiben, Erfolge feiern.
Klar auch mal zweifeln, aber nie, nie, nie verzweifeln.
Also hören Sie mal.
Ich will es einfach richtig fühlen.
So was gibt es doch gar nicht.
Gibt es doch im Handwerk.
Wir machen Karriere mit Gefühl das Handwerk.
Wir haben uns gebeten, dass wir nicht in der Wahrheit interessiert sind.
Und einfach, um die Leute zu bemerken, was das zu bemerken ist.
Das ist, dass nach Charlie's Mörder,
da waren Textmessage von einer privaten Gruppe,
die publisch gemacht wurden, und wir waren gebeten,
dass wir die große Conspiracy-Theorie,
die wir wieder und wieder überwinden,
das Israel oder die Jews, die Charlie mörderten.
Ja.
So, which we do not believe, which we do not believe.
But we have been accused of trying to,
or we're not interested in the truth.
The actual fact of the matter is that behind the scenes,
we have given everything we know to give.
Every single piece of information.
This was one of them.
I was told I could trust Joe Kent.
I provided the screen grabs to Joe Kent.
I don't know what happened to them at that point.
Okay, I just wanna make that very clear.
Joe did message me and suggest
that I make those screen grabs public.
I declined because those were shared privately.
I didn't want to be reckless with them in the public.
There could be innocent people on that group chat
that would then be harmed.
I wanna take the start of this show
to address some of the things
that have been going around on public,
namely about a text, a group text chain
that has been made known and released by Candace Owens.
And I just wanna address it head on
because that was a text grab, a screen grab
that I had shared with people.
So it is authentic.
And I wanna go into it
because I actually am really excited
that the truth is out there.
Yeah, there could be innocent people
that could be harmed, like,
I don't know, Charlie Kirk maybe?
So that's Andrew Colvidt,
basically letting the cat out of the bag
that he turned over that group chat
that Candace Owens made public
that demonstrated that Charlie Kirk
had been under massive pressure
from prosionist donors
and that he was leaving the prosural cause.
And now we know the truth,
that that's all real.
So I'll start there.
Julian Dory, host of the Julian Dory Podcast.
Big fan of his.
Just curious what your thoughts are.
Have you been following the Candace Owens case,
excuse me, the Charlie Kirk case,
spearheaded by Candace Owens
and what are your thoughts?
Yeah, I mean,
it's kind of impossible to go on Twitter
or X and not see that,
at least in the background.
I, like, I think pretty much everyone else,
I've ever talked to on this Smell-A-Rat.
You know, the idea that this kid,
this crazy 20-year-old kid just acted alone,
similarly to, like, what we saw in Butler,
where they're like, Kirk's acted alone.
Don't worry about it.
Nothing to see here makes no sense.
It's not to say he didn't fire the shot.
I could see that certainly be in the case,
but at the same time,
there was a lot going on here
and there was an unbelievable effort to
sweep this under the rug.
And, you know, this is the other thing
and I've only recently started going here with this.
And, you know, maybe I could have done this earlier,
but I did want to play out.
I remember, so he was killed on a Wednesday.
On Friday, I had to drive, like, six hours
to my buddy's wedding, first thing in the morning.
So Friday night, I'm chilling, getting a little work done,
and I see an announcement come through
that Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk,
is gonna speak publicly.
So I'm like, all right, let's turn this thing on right here.
And I turned it on,
and maybe she talked for, like, 10, 15 minutes.
And I shut the computer and I actually felt guilty
because you know that thing where you're just like,
uh-uh, this is so fucking off.
Like, was I just watching an actress?
Like, that was not real.
That is what I felt.
And I felt guilty about this
because I was like, how dare you have that touch, Julian?
How dare you go after a grieving widow like that in your gut?
You know, it was just a thought.
It was like my own personal thought crime, if you will,
how Orwellian.
But a couple days later...
You knew the Uncanny Valley?
Yes.
I want justice for my husband.
When one of President Trump's closest advisors,
who is vocally advocating for us to not go to war with Iran
and for us to rethink at least our relationship with the Israelis,
and then he's suddenly publicly assassinated.
Go down that rabbit hole.
Whatever.
We were stopped from continuing to investigate.
Charlie was under a lot of pressure
from a lot of pro-Israel donors.
He took massive, massive abuse from his own donors,
and they expressed it to him in a very intense way.
I know because he showed me.
I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti-Semite.
Be very careful, Charlie.
The Prophet's warned that those who curse Israel will be cursed.
He is going to lift his hand from you.
It will be to your peril.
He did feel threatened by that.
He didn't say that.
Everyone wants an answer to this evil.
And sometimes the answer is very clear.
We still had a lot more leads to run down
that pertained to some kind of a foreign nexus.
How do you know?
We're cut off pretty early on from being able to access the files.
I've seen it all.
Told that, hey, you guys need to stop.
You can't work on this anymore.
Not an honest effort was given.
You don't believe the truth.
I don't know what to tell you.
If it is a Slam Dunk case that he took the shot,
what about all the people who had prior knowledge?
The darker it gets.
I'm over there thinking I'm in crazy towns.
This is a mind virus.
There was more work for us to do
on the potential of a foreign nexus.
Israel killed Charlie.
Come on.
Coming up on several months now.
Why hasn't this been done?
We are busy building.
There's been a lot of sympathy
and his movement has grown, et cetera.
I'm not going to sit in the corner
and cry and be in fetal position.
But actual curiosity about getting to justice.
Basically daily being like anything new, anything new.
To figure out what happened.
Because it's too simple.
That makes me furious,
that we're being blocked from that.
Everyone always has to think
there's more to the story.
Well, sometimes there's not.
We're not allowed to ask the question anymore.
What does that mean?
What does that mean that there are people
and there's entities out there
that don't want us looking into this?
I do not have time to address the noise.
There was more stones for us to overturn.
No rock will be unturned.
Turning over every single stone.
Considering how pivotal Charlie was
to the MAGA movement.
Stop.
And to President Trump
that there hasn't been a more concerted effort
to find the truth and to find justice.
Stop.
She gives Uncanny Valley vibes where like
even when you know that you're supposed to
you're supposed to feel bad for her
and you're supposed to trust her.
And you're supposed to like
do everything you can to protect her.
But because of the Uncanny Valley vibes
that she gives when she speaks
that it just makes it impossible
for anybody who's paying attention
to still feel that way
after a certain amount of time.
I haven't heard that one yet
but that's perfect
because that's that's what it was.
I remember I'm
I go that wedding the next day.
Sunday morning I'm driving home
and my buddy Danny Jones
who has a great show,
Danny Jones podcast calls me.
I talk to him all the time
and it was like
we were both coming out of the closet
like slowly.
I was like you watch that
that Eric Kirk thing the other night.
And he's like, yeah, bro.
And I'm like, I don't know.
You're just, you're like waiting to see
and he goes to me too.
Yeah, it was literally like that.
Oh my God, I was thinking the same thing.
I'm like, oh my God, I'm not alone here.
And she just,
apparently there's all
and I know a little less about this part now.
I don't watch the case close enough
to be able to give a full educated comment on this.
But apparently
there's all kinds of odd past links
with her in places she's been
and it feels like a little bit of a set up
kind of marriage, if you will,
but like she is just really cold
and it comes across as a terrible actress.
Now, you know,
you look at someone like Amanda Knox
who was tried in the court of public opinion
because she has a weird disposition
but then was clearly innocent of what she did.
You do have to say that.
The difference here is you have pyrotechnics
Wwe lady using fucking tissues
with Vicks cream or whatever on it
to make herself cry just to go out there
and talk about the loss of her husband.
And she says everything like almost like
in the shitty iambic pentameter
and you're like, come on, you know.
Throws his home, daddy's home, Shabbat Shalom, yeah.
It's so off, man.
But see, here's the thing, it's like
and I kind of break this down is
there's like the female analysis
which Candace Owens spearheads,
which is like they're all judging her
based off of like how they would act
because they're women and mothers and wives
and feel like this is all wrong.
And then I feel like the more male angle on this
which has been spearheaded by Baron Coleman
I've played a part in it, other people have
is like just evidence-based.
Like all right, what's weird about this narrative?
And what I find the overlap in that is
her behavior, which Candace Owens has highlighted
makes no sense.
And then you add in this Joe Kent disclosure,
which this was a big story
that came out in October of 25
that he had been trying to run down
a foreign node of influence or an angle
in the Charlie Kirk assassination
that he believed warranted investigation.
And he was frozen out by Cash Patel in the FBI.
This was reported on by the Daily Mail in October.
So this is not like a nothing burger.
And then Joe Kent, after his resignation,
which by the way, blowing the whistle
about us being led into a war by Israel against Iran.
And this is now backburnered to this story.
Kind of feels like a mistake,
but anyways, we'll keep it moving.
Joe Kent confirmed that that it was in fact true
that he did see reason to believe
that there was foreign involvement
and that he wanted to make sure
that there was nothing there
and he was not permitted to do so.
So my question to you is,
in what world does the widow slash spouse
of an assassination victim
not back up the director of counterterrorism
as he tries to run down every possible lead
to make sure everybody involved
in the assassination of your husband,
the father of your children.
And you don't back him up.
TPUSA doesn't back him up.
You've got members of TPUSA,
including Josh Hammer,
who's not really a member of TPUSA,
but other people in TPUSA
who seem to be wanting Joe Kent put in fucking prison.
And I'm like, Joe Kent seems to be the only one
who's acting honorable in this
and you guys are angry at him.
And what conclusion can we come to other than,
well, there's something really awry here.
Like you guys are scared to death
of the truth coming out.
And I've never believed
that TPUSA was involved in the assassination,
but there is something that they're trying to hide.
And we have to wonder if that's what it is.
And it makes me feel terrible to say that,
but it's just the truth.
Yeah, I think there's only three worlds
where that's the case.
One world is in which she's not unhappy
that it happened.
Another world is in which she's in on it.
And another world is in which she's pressured
to not say anything by people we can't say.
And all of which have massive implications.
But...
Which is almost my exact hypothesis
about Trump, by the way.
How so?
That whether or not he's in on it,
whether or not he's been an opp from the jump,
whether or not he's being blackmailed
or threatened, it's basically the exact same
Analysis that I have for Trump
when it comes to his subservience to Israel.
I don't know why he's doing it,
but I feel the same way.
It's very, very strange.
I know we're gonna talk about that today
because I think,
certainly the Epstein stuff is all extremely relevant.
We'll talk about that, I'm sure.
But like, it's a real red line for me
when our men and women and service members
are going to do something
that's clearly completely unnecessary, in my opinion.
And their lives are being played with
because there's weird shit going on.
That's just, it's not acceptable in any way.
It's just not, like I've really,
I'll admit, like I've been really angry about it
since it broke out and I haven't been completely reasonable
sometimes, but like that kind of is what it is.
Yeah, well, I'm gonna drop your riff
about this topic that I saw go viral a couple of days ago.
Yeah, man, I couldn't agree more.
I don't know how old you are.
I think you're quite a bit younger than me,
but I'm sure you were alive
during the 9-11 Iraq War, right?
9-11 ist einer meiner ersten,
wie ich das alles erinnern kann,
dass ich das ganze Zeit erinnern kann
und wie ich die Erinnerungen fühlte.
Ich war in der 3. Welt, ich glaube, ich war 8 Jahre alt.
Und ich erinnere einfach alles,
dass ich das ganze Zeit erinnern kann,
zu Hause zu sehen und alles auf der TV.
Man kann es nicht komplett verarschen,
als ein 8-Jähriger, aber es war so visceral.
Und wir wussten, wer in diesen Täuren ist.
Ich bin von diesem Teil der Welt.
Ich bin ein Stück weit von wo die Täure war.
Jetzt war ich von Südjürgen, um klar zu sein.
Aber wir hatten ein paar Leute in der Stadt,
die in dieser Täure sind.
Aber es war so real, und es war zu Hause.
Aber sogar ein 8-Jähriger wusste mir,
dass das Welt einfach geändert hat.
Was mein Verständnis von dem Welt war,
und es war wahrscheinlich bei 0,
dann zumindest, oder die 0.1%, die ich wusste, war weg.
Also, deine Generation hat mir Hoffnung,
weil für mich,
die Erinnerung, die du beschreibst,
war für mich der erste Irakwar.
Das war basically nur eine CNN-led TV-War,
in der wir einfach in dort waren.
Wir brachten, wir waren raus,
und dann, all of a sudden,
wir hatten einen Vietnam-Syndrom,
und wir waren jetzt der Empire der Welt,
und wir konnten jemanden übernehmen.
Aber ich war zu jung,
um das dann wirklich zu erkennen,
weil ich in 0,1% war.
In 0,1% war ich jemals ein Adolpferd,
ich glaube, ich war 18,
und es war einfach ...
Ich wusste, dass es die Welt geändert wird,
aber ich hatte wirklich keine Kapazität,
um zu übernehmen, wie dramatisch das Veränderung wäre,
und wie permanent das Veränderung wäre.
Und ich denke, das ist die Sache,
die es am meisten betrifft.
Es ist so, wie mit der Covid-Error.
Ja, ich weiß, dass es noch viele Leute
mit Maschenschaften betrifft,
aber für die meisten scheint es,
als ob wir aufgeräumt sind.
Und es ist noch so,
dass die Veränderung,
die Veränderung, die kleine Veränderungen
durch die Lockdowns gesetzt hat.
Wir werden das nie übernehmen.
Für sicher.
Und wir haben ein paar Prozent der Bevölkerung,
die jetzt die Hypochondrierex hat,
weil es so ist.
Aber 9,11 war nur so ein größter Inflectionpunkt.
Ich meine, von der TSA
bis zu den ganzen Spiegel-Apparatisten,
die wir gegen uns betroffen haben,
bis zu den kompleten Demolitionen
unserer privaten Rechts.
Und nicht wirklich,
ich bin wirklich, wie,
pretending to respect our rights anymore.
Und was,
the reason I said that your generation gives me hope
is that because you were only eight at that point,
the fact that you still recognize what a shift that was,
and the fact that you said that you're angry
about the Iran war,
like that's what we need more of.
I think that we are rife with apathy.
Like people don't care enough.
People aren't angry enough.
I guess it's easy for me to say,
since I'm kind of known for being angry
as hell all the time,
but like, I just don't know why people aren't more angry men.
This is such a big deal.
And people, I feel like people have been
dispirited or something.
Well, I think part of it is,
A, a guy like you gets it
because you actually look at this stuff.
You educate yourself on things.
It's a part of what you do for a living.
And I'd like to think me too.
You know, as far as like looking into the right things
and learning things as they really are.
And then the other part
that I'll speak at least for myself on
is I have had the privilege of becoming friends with
and having on my show a lot of the baddest ass tier one
operators from that entire GY era.
And I love those guys.
And I've always said this,
even before I brought those guys on the show,
I never blamed the people who were sent there
by the suits in DC.
That is not their fault.
It is not their fault,
especially back then
when you didn't have as much access,
you didn't have social media,
you didn't have as much access to information.
They didn't know things like they know today,
like our service members may know
with what they're doing right now.
And, you know, to hear all these guys look back
on the GY era
and almost consistently to a man,
even if there were some things where it's like,
yes, we took out bad guys here, there and there.
And like, yes, that was objectively good,
which, you know, certainly you can find that too.
Almost to a man,
it's like a scale where over time
they just kind of throughout that era
slipped down farther and farther
and realized sometimes it took them
getting out of the military to realize,
like, wait a minute, what the fuck?
What were we doing?
Like, that's, that shit was kind of crazy, right?
You know, it was fine to go do something
after 9.11.
Okay, cool.
You know, you see bin Laden.
Obviously, there was a lot more of this attack,
for sure,
but you see bin Laden at least be behind it
and he's hiding in Afghanistan,
so you wanna go punish the people who are protecting him.
Okay, cool.
That has nothing to do with Iraq.
That has nothing to do with all the things
that came after it, you know, and...
Or Libya or Syria.
Or exactly, all these regime changes
and kind of neocon strategies
that don't work again and again and again
and again, yet we keep doing it.
And to see people try to get behind this latest strike
and to see with a guy like Trump looking at it objectively,
at least from a foreign policy standpoint,
the coalition of people that most got behind him
to propel him into office,
includes people from the civilian world
and the military world
and then also like the strategy world,
which is a part of the civilian world,
who advocated against us making all these same mistakes.
Yet, guys with three fucking listeners,
like Marc Levin, are the ones that people...
And obviously, I've been picking on Marc a lot
just because he's so much fun.
But, you know, like, they're the guys you listen to.
Like, this is retardville.
He actually said that, too.
He's like in the conversation with Joe Kent,
which I'll run a clip of.
Marc Levin actually said...
Like, Joe Kent was basically critiquing the fact
that Donald Trump was being influenced,
not just by Israeli advisors in the White House,
but also the kind of pro-Zionist media sphere.
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Yeah, you know it, you know what happened.
And Mark Levin was one of those voices
and Joe Kent was like, yeah,
like you have an impact on him.
And that's, I think that's the thing that,
you know, real ride or die Trump supporters
have a hard time grappling with
or maybe they don't because they're just like Trump.
But if you're influenced at all by someone like Mark Levin,
you're totally unfit for office.
Like, that's just a fact.
That's just a fact.
And he said that, you know,
Trump listens to him every Saturday and Sunday.
I'm like, you couldn't pay me enough money.
Crazy.
Look, I'm all for hearing a spectrum of ideas.
I've had people on my show that I'm sure you loathe.
That means I'm doing my job and I care a lot about that.
I'm a human.
Sometimes there'll be a bias on something.
I've admitted with this Iran war,
I have a bias and I make no apologies about that.
But for the most part, 99% of the time,
I am extremely open to all ideas
and letting the court of public opinion win.
That said, the court of public opinion
is very, very clear on like the stanz as a song.
So, someone like Mark Levin is the definition of a has been.
The percentage of people that agree with him
from either side of the spectrum,
regardless of whether they're liberal or conservative,
is extremely low.
And Trump coming out and trying to say like,
oh, I got 100% support in the pot.
Like, the fuck are you talking?
Walk out on the street, bro.
I know.
I've talked to a few people that are like,
well, you know, he's in Iran in three weeks.
But like, even when I was at my parents place a couple weeks ago
and I was literally talking with Boomers
and eight out of 10 Boomers, I talked with were like,
yo, what the fuck are we doing here?
All right, good.
Including like multiple Jewish people as well.
We were like, what the fuck are we doing?
And that's another problem now,
because the people like the Mark Levin's
then suddenly declare it,
whether they know they're doing it or not.
They're like, oh, we speak for all Jewish people
and stuff in America, the fuck you do.
You know what I mean?
Just like Netanyahu does.
And this is crazy.
Like, we got to divorce those two things.
I've been very, very adamant about that
because I see where that'll go, if we don't.
It's so dangerous.
Yeah, and the actions,
there is no government in the world,
not the least of which my own,
that should ever be above criticism.
Like, get the fuck out of here.
Are you kidding me?
I'll criticize whoever I want.
And like, I live in a country where George Bush
and Dick Cheney once ran this place.
You think I like that shit looking back?
No.
Like, when I look at countries around the world
who call them war criminals, I say, I accept your terms.
Right.
Like, why is this so hard?
But I mean, it's like,
if you opposed an action of Obama
and they're like, why are you so racist?
I mean, I guess they kind of did do that,
but this is so extreme where it's like,
this is mass death and destruction
and their argument is if you oppose it,
then you hate our ethnicity slash religion
and that's always a moving target too.
I think Tucker Carlson's done a really good job
of highlighting that and I really appreciated it.
And of course, he's being absolutely dragged
through the mud mercilessly for it,
but it's really important
that the highest profile voices
are leading the charge on some of these issues
because I really believe that like,
the future of humanity hangs in the balance
as a consequence of that paradigm
that if you're to be shamed
into supporting a fledgling,
really demonic empire,
which is what Israel has become to its neighbors,
well then how are we to oppose it?
Like, I don't know how we're going to do that.
We have to take a stand at some point
and then you add into the mix
the subservience that our own government has with
Israeli influence on a multitude of layers.
It's just such a deep problem
and honestly, it's one that I'm very late to the game on.
I mean, I ignored this all the way up until probably 2020,
and I feel like a lot of people
are probably in my camp on that,
but it really sucks that even though I'm late to it,
I still get called all of these terrible things
and I always couch it in the same way Tucker Carlson does,
this is love man, this is about peace, this is about harmony.
This is not about hating anybody
over immutable characteristics or religion
or anything like that,
but you still can't do anything about it.
And the Mark Levin's of the world
are the ones that have created that paradigm for decades.
And I guess I should, to spin it optimistically,
it does appear as if that's falling,
that we can now speak freely about this.
Do you feel as if it's shifted?
I definitely think there's a shift
because I have a lot of thoughts here.
I mean, it's a complicated-
Sorry, I went off for a long time.
No, no, no, that was good.
Like it's just a complicated-
It's one of those things where I can see 30,000 feet in the air,
some of the patterns that are happening here,
but then like make sense in my head,
but then putting it properly into words,
I have a little trouble with.
But I do completely agree on your last point there
that the paradigm is shifting on that
with people being afraid to say certain things or whatever.
I think that's nuts.
I think with that also comes an opportunity
to say things like they are.
Obviously we talked earlier in this conversation
about the failures in the past with regime change and stuff.
So that's something that I'm very hesitant on
and certainly don't support the idea
of just going to do that because it doesn't work.
And so, I mean, I think I've been on the record with that
since at least Episode 129 with Jim Lawler
where I was like, I don't know if I said it
in that episode or not,
but like that goes way back to like 2022
where I'm like, I would love to see the people of Iran
overthrow their government.
It's a horrible government.
They kill their people, they are a terrorist regime.
They're all these things, that's all true.
But the world is not this simple
that like you can just go in and do it
because that has third, fourth, fifth,
sixth, 10th order effects
and you end up being the evil empire
because the power vacuum that happens afterwards
makes things worse in most cases
and the people feel like their sovereignty
and their ability to self-determination in this case
it would be Iran if we went in and changed the regime
would be totally violated a couple of years later
and they would be even more anti-America
than they were in the first place
and I would understand why,
like I don't know why this is a hard concept.
And so I wondered,
why I hadn't called for the same thing in Israel?
I was wondering that a few weeks ago, so I did.
I said, just like I've called on the Iranian people
to overthrow their own regime,
I'm not gonna overthrow your fucking regime in Israel,
I'm not gonna overthrow your regime in ...
I mean, I'm not gonna do shit,
but like if it were up to me,
I wouldn't here in America,
but I think you guys should do that, 100%.
Because also people forget
in the months leading up to October 7th,
and this is a credit
to a lot of people living in Israel right now,
this is not talked about.
Many people in that country were in the streets
and they were dangerously close
to having a constitutional crisis
where the government would be overthrown
because the Netanyahu government
in a country that has multiple different parties,
not two parties,
they win with a minority percent
of hardcore right-wing Zionists.
There are a lot of people that don't like him.
There are a lot of people that don't support that.
And then when he tried to take control of the courts,
literally in the summer of 2023,
they were like, yo, fuck this guy.
So I'm like, yo, now your government
is responsible for killing a fuck ton of people.
They're basically doing a modern day
Liebenschrom right now in Lebanon.
They're taking land for living space.
I mean, literally like Adolf Hitler wrote about that.
They're doing it,
like Smotridge is advocating for the borders to change
and to take parts of Lebanon
because he's always advocated
for a greater Israel kind of project.
Like, that's fucking crazy.
So let's make some noise people.
Like, let's get in the streets
and be like, yo, if we're not behind this,
we're not behind this, you know?
And so the same things I say to Iran,
whose government I have zero love for,
if they were dead yesterday,
yesterday that wouldn't be soon enough,
I will say to the Israeli government as well.
I don't make a distinction here.
You know, it's like,
you know, you're watching these rockets go back and forth.
And I don't like any of the civilian stuff.
But when it comes to the government officials,
it's like me watching a Cowboys Giants game.
I'm rooting for the fucking asteroid.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's it's not, there's no, it's like,
well, they suck and they suck.
That's where I'm at.
I'm very, very cynical on it.
It's like the Boston Celtics versus Sacramento Kings
for me as a Lakers for you.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, look, and I agree with you.
I mean, I think your analysis as to why you relate on that
is this kind of like just deep seated indoctrination
that we all went through,
that because of the Holocaust we're all,
we are all not consciously driven to do this,
but subconsciously you're just,
you're going to give additional grace
that you would never give to some Islamic nation
that had done what Israel has done over the past three years.
No one would be giving grace if this was Yemen,
now granted they don't have any capacity to do what Israel's doing,
but if Yemen was doing it to the Saudis or whatever,
everyone would be in an uproar,
but because it's a Jewish state as they call it,
everyone's very, very hesitant to say anything about it.
And oftentimes, this is another thing that people do,
they try and couch their criticism
as deep concern for the Jewish people.
And so I want to just preface this by saying,
the reason I oppose this war
is not because of deep concern for the Jewish people,
it's because of deep concern for humanity, period and peace.
But I will also say,
now that I've made that disclaimer,
I am very, very concerned for the people of Israel
and I'm also very concerned for the people of Iran
in that I think that there's a real chance
that this boils over into something
that literally cannot be stopped,
like totally out of control.
I agree.
Hundreds of thousands of people die, maybe more.
And it could endanger the entire world.
And I don't think I'm overstating that.
I mean, what we're doing right now is so perilous.
You have the Strait of Hormuz,
which is responsible for somewhere
in between 20 and 30% of global oil transit.
And allegedly we are currently blocking,
because the Iranians are willing to allow for oil
to be traded in the Uon
to go through the Strait right now.
But any oil being traded in the U.S. dollar,
they're like, get fucked.
Like they are attacking the petrodollar.
They are going straight for the Jaguar
because for them it's an existential war
and I don't blame them.
But what I've heard now is that allegedly
there are reports, it hasn't been verified
that ships are being attacked that are Russian
and that the Chinese ships have been stopped
by American military.
I don't know if that's accurate, so, you know.
But if that turns out to be true,
I mean, this is an escalation on a scale that's crazy.
And then just yesterday there was a report
that Putin was gonna send oil
to try and save the Cuban people
who have been blockaded
and haven't had any power for a big chunk
of a couple months now.
And like they're dying, it's terrible.
And there's talk about how Trump needs
to stand up to Putin and sink an oil freighter
from Putin to like a humanitarian freighter to Cuba.
And I'm like, oh man,
there's just such moral degradation across the board
and it sucks because I think,
even though I've been a libertarian forever
and I've always really not loved my government,
I have still always felt
as if America was clearly the good guys
and I'm really feeling like we're not.
It's a valid question that I've heard a lot of people ask.
And this is where, this is one of those moments
where I try to pull everyone back from the cliff
and maybe some people won't like me for doing that,
but here's how I look at that.
When you say are we the good guys,
it can easily then be interpreted to a cancer
of the entire system rather than a cancer of the few,
a cancer of people who are in power positions
across many places, by the way,
in the United States,
out of our 330 million people to actually live here
who have decided to take the reins
and take control, in many cases unelekted, by the way,
and do things that are inherently evil,
which include evil here and around the world.
Secondly, I would say,
to be self-critical on my own,
listen, you talk a few minutes ago
about your worldview and when you were seeing things,
I think I was late to the game on so many fucking things.
I think a lot of this has to do with like,
one of the downsides being an only child,
there's a lot of upsides with that,
but one of the downsides is like,
you have to try to figure some shit out for yourself
so you learn that skill,
but then maybe you're molded by the things
that are just kind of programmed around you
and you start to be like, ah, it's just how things are,
you know, like it's what it is.
Oh, kids are getting fucking 97 vaccines
the second day after they're born, that makes sense.
That used to make sense to me.
I don't know why, I couldn't tell you why,
but like run the tape, six years ago,
that made sense to me, you know,
so there's like things that I'm catching up on,
but one of these things,
you know, especially over the past year and a half,
is where I roll with this question and ask myself,
how deep does that cancer go here?
Yeah.
And I think it does go deep.
I don't think it's stage four and a half though,
if you will.
I think it's more of an aggressive stage three,
which is still bad.
And it's something that we have to remove from the system.
The problem is where I lose hope
is when you see like an outsider like Donald Trump,
regardless of his political stances
or like where he is on the spectrum,
become or maybe always was as a Trojan horse,
like an ultimate Insider.
It's like, oh shit, like they're playing 5D chest up,
5D chest up there
and they're going to make this stage four real fast.
And there is to quote the Sopranos,
there is no stage five, you know, so does that kill,
does that kill America
and is that because we become, we are the bad guys?
Well, dude, I'll match your stage.
Yeah, it could, of course.
And I'll match your stage four with stage 40 trillion
national debt.
I mean, these are, and you know,
you don't know me well enough,
but my background is finance actually.
And, you know,
you don't need to have a fucking finance background
to know this 40 trillion dollars in debt,
a trillion in interest alone.
It's gonna go up from there
and it's never coming back down.
I mean, we're talking about basically consuming
the entire tax revenue
that we're currently taking in by 10, 15 years from now,
like it could be to the point
where we're literally just taxing our people
to pay the interest,
not including all of the necessary expenditures
for everything else.
I mean, we're really on the precipice.
And I think that's the one thing
that libertarians both get criticized too much for,
but also don't get enough credit for,
is that we're always fearmongering,
but we're also too early.
So people don't take it seriously.
We become chicken little essentially,
because we can see things coming so far in advance
that by the time it happens,
everybody says, yeah, Ron Paul was right
about the real estate bubble.
Ron Paul was right about the Iraq war.
Ron Paul was right.
But then you hear Ron Paul talking about the Iran war
or talking about the dollar's death.
And they're like, well, it didn't happen.
He's not right this time.
Exactly, exactly.
So, I don't know.
It's just, it's super dangerous, man.
You bring up, by the way, though,
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You brought up that point a few minutes ago
about the Strait of Hormuz
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Like, I mean, your finance guide,
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at the dollars placement in the world
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Yeah, and we'll,
and I'll make it a little bit more explicit
for those that aren't in this arena at all.
Like all of the dollars that are used
for global trade will not be used for global trade
and therefore they will be flooding back domestically
because they'll have no use abroad
or they'll have less use abroad,
especially with the inflationary spiral.
Everyone will be exiting the dollar as fast as possible.
So, that's why it's called a bang moment.
Like this is what happens when empires fall.
It's all, it's nothing, it's nothing,
it's nothing, it's everything.
Like that's how it fucking goes down.
It's a snap, exactly.
So, yeah, Ron Paul hasn't been right yet,
but I promise you Ron Paul is gonna be right
at some point and you're not gonna like it when he is.
And that's where we're playing with fire.
And this is why I've become so angry
at our relationship with Israel,
is because even though I think what they have done
is morally reprehensible when it comes to the Gazans
or the, fuck, I mean so many of their neighbors,
all of their neighbors.
But from a more personal level
as someone whose primary concern is my friends,
my family, my children whenever I have them
is that you're fucking with that now.
Like you're jeopardizing that
because if the dollar dies,
yeah, sure, I've got Bitcoin and all sorts of shit
that I'll probably be all right,
but like that doesn't mean I'm living in a civilization
that my kids will be safe and it's gonna be fucking hell.
And we're doing this for no benefit to us.
The Iran War has zero benefit to us
and it's literally jeopardizing
and expediting the death of the dollar,
which sacrifices the future of our country.
Sorry, I'll get off the soapbox,
but it's a big fucking deal.
No, it's a big fucking deal.
And you know, that was,
ah, that's what was crazy
with the Ukraine thing,
which was just, it is corrupt to the core,
it's still going on.
And like, I can't really find any good there.
I mean, we could talk about that for like two hours.
The only thing I can see
that maybe some of these fucking Masters of the Universe
we're trying to think ahead on
was to profit off of death,
which is despicable to try to protect
like some of the US dollar value.
And now it's even more sinister
because they've essentially now taken that
and basically thrown anything they did there
in the fire because of what they're doing in Iran.
So if you even got anything,
anything out of the desecration of a war
that's now cost 1.8, 1.9 million fucking casualties
out there in Ukraine,
you have now even given that away.
So I don't, you know,
and the Epstein stuff,
the latest drop,
just as someone who's looked at that case forever,
it completely changed the paradigm for me,
not just with that case,
but far beyond it,
and what it means,
even the things that we don't know what it means yet,
it's like, there's a there there
and you're like, holy fucking shit.
It just makes you wonder,
who's really in charge here?
And what the end goal is?
I don't know.
For me, I mean, my job is public.
I've been going through it publicly.
It's been everything that I thought,
maybe, all right, that might make sense.
No, no, no, it's just,
now it's like, I don't even know if it's the other thing,
but I don't know that it's this thing anymore.
Well, the problem is that every time you discard a hypothesis,
the one that takes its place is much darker.
It's like, it just keeps getting scarier,
the further down the rabbit hole I go.
And yeah, I mean, that's how I've viewed Epstein 2.
It's like, it's basically the secret ingredient
that goes into the kind of, I don't know,
the cloak that actually kind of controls everything.
It's like, it's the glue that keeps it all together, maybe.
I mean, we still don't know for sure,
but it does look as if it plays a role.
And from his, I mean,
that dude was fucking, he was like money laundering
and weapons trafficking and doing all sorts of wild shit.
Yeah, it's really great.
Actually, I wanted to ask you about this
because you and I, I don't interview people
as often as you do, I used to do that.
I do more solo shows now,
but even with my solo show,
it's still very important for me to try and analyze
and decide who I think is for real or not.
And Joe Kent, I have come to the conclusion
that I think he's legit or at least he's being honest
about this topic, whether or not he's got ulterior motives.
I can't speak to that,
but I'm convinced after my research
that what he's saying is accurate.
My views, my views did change.
Being the director of the National Parenting Center
is probably the most senior rank I've held in the government.
Just post 9-11, I was a true believer.
I thought we needed to basically go to war
with any place in the Middle East
that my government sent me halfway through or so.
I got a little disillusioned
and felt that we are lied to with our action,
but in general I still thought
that they were like pretty decent partners.
And look, I still, to this day,
I think that Israel can be a decent partner to America
if we get our priorities straight.
I saw members of the Israeli government come in
and deal with us at that senior level
and the level of access that they had,
especially in the lead up to the 12-day war,
that opened up my eyes.
Marco Rubio and even President Trump saying
that we had to go to war because the Israelis were.
It tells you basically everything you need to know,
even if you don't believe most of what I just said.
What actually brought you on my radar,
big time, was the Kiriaku interview in 25.
And I was like, holy shit,
so this is my question for you.
As someone who interviews a lot of people,
how do you know, because Joe Kent was,
he's a, as everybody knows, 11-time deployment,
six bronze stars, incredible record.
But he was briefly with the CIA in 2019.
So.
Yeah, he was ground branch, right?
I don't know exactly,
but I just know that he went to,
yeah, he went to some sort of CIA operation in 2019
and then his wife died and he got out allegedly.
But like, the saying with CIA is like, you're never out.
So I always try and be skeptical.
So that's my question for you.
How do you judge someone like Kiriaku?
Because he says a ton of shit that I agree with
and I wanna trust him
and I wanna believe he's a legit whistleblower,
stand up red, white and blue guy now,
but I'm always hesitant with anybody
who was ever in the intel agencies.
And righteously so.
I mean, you read books like Devil's Chestboard
and you're like, oh, okay.
And again, this is even something now that I don't even know
because there's some of the more implications
I've seen with like the Epstein stuff
that's like, holy shit,
it had to be more people than I previously thought who knew.
So it's like, how do you know where a node is
in a place like CIA versus what the system is?
Meaning like, how many people actually are complicit?
Objectively, do I know there's people that work there
that probably wanna do the right thing and whatever?
Sure.
Do those people end up in power?
Probably not, probably not.
So with a guy like John,
all right, there's a few directions,
I wanna take this.
So there's a spectrum.
The spectrum goes from one guy to another guy
who have both been on my show a bunch
and are both friends of mine.
John Kiriakou to Andrew Bustamante, okay?
John Kiriakou was long time true blue CIA,
did everything from being a serious analyst at the beginning
to going to the farm
and then doing all the whole undercover spy shit,
taking down Abu Zubaita, whatever.
Andy Bustamante tells a story like went to the farm,
failed at the very end, had to become an SOO
and then because his wife was a famous targeter,
or a very well respected targeter at CIA,
he eventually got to have a pretty crazy career
because of that and then did some things
that were interesting in a country
that you can't talk about.
But different trajectories, different eras
and now different opinions on CIA
because John was basically made a whipping boy
for a whole era that he was one of the few people
who was on record behind the scenes,
having spoken out against
and I'm referring to the torture program that CIA did.
So kudos to him on that, we do know that.
And they threw him in fucking prison.
And maybe I'm a little bit biased
because I talk with John a lot off camera
and I know some of the other things
that he can't talk about publicly,
that like they did them and it's fucking disgusting.
But now you see him talk about this stuff
and he can do two things.
He can be analytical and analyze things
where he's like, this makes sense
from a spying perspective
or from a domestic security perspective.
And then he can also be like,
what the fuck are these people doing?
This is violating every constitutional right.
It's complete bullshit.
It makes us the bad guys in the United States.
And you can say he's biased
because they threw him in prison
but he brings a lot of evidence to his bias
when he does that.
So that's one end of it.
The other end of it being Andy going back to him.
Andy, like I've always had this belief
in doing the show.
I want people from that world
right where I can see them
and where you can see them
which is in this seat right on camera
for hours so that people can judge for themselves.
And if they decide someone's a total died in the wolf,
you know, fed, great.
That's what we want to see.
I'd rather have them sitting here
so we can know what they think
rather than wondering what they're thinking at this time
without them being on camera.
So Andy's kind of one of those guys.
I think it's a mixed bag,
but like I've always said,
I think Andy's still with CIA.
I think he could pass a poly...
And I'm saying this like as a friend of the guy too.
I think he could pass a polygraph
if someone asked him,
are you still in CIA?
And he said no.
Like, I think he could pass
because fucking nine-tenths of CIA
are people that walked out of Langley on a Friday,
took a contract for 10 times the price in the private world,
walked back in with a lanyard on Monday
and they don't work at CIA.
So that's just kind of my thought on that.
But, you know, when I hear Andy talk about John,
Andy will defend the fucking badge
over and over and over.
The funniest thing is when John and Andy talk about each other,
they demonstrate that they actually don't really know
about each other's background.
So it's always like, oh God.
But when Andy's talking about John,
he doesn't even understand the case.
He doesn't even understand what they did to John.
He's just defending the badge at all costs.
And where I've taken issue with Andy publicly on this
is that he says some things about the government
or about the system
that I know in his own life
if he completely disagrees with, you know?
So, and it's not 100% of things,
but you know, it's like, there's a 20%, 30% of things
that I'm like, you don't really believe that.
So why are you saying that?
And so what I wonder is,
cause Andy's just a little node at CIA.
He wasn't, you know, like really high up
and stuff like that.
I wonder if that's a pressure thinking
or if that's actively a part of it thinking.
I think it's more of a pressure thinking.
That's just my read.
There's other people who will say that's Andy
just being a good ol' propagandist or whatever
and they're allowed to say that.
But, you know, with Kiri Akku,
I think, especially some of the stuff
I talked with him off camera
that people don't know about.
If he were totally sum up and full of shit,
it would, that would shock.
That one would shock me.
It just...
Well, that's how I feel about him too
for the record.
I'm just saying, you know, we have to be skeptical.
I mean, you know that there are obviously,
I mean, this is very famous
that the CIA controlled our nightly news.
I mean, or at least they had influence
in the script writing for some of the,
you know, Kronkite or whatever.
So to think that they wouldn't have jilted
intel agencies that go into the podcast world
to ultimately still push a script when necessary.
Like, of course they're doing that.
But that doesn't mean that Kiri Akku's that guy.
He could be for real.
I've become friends with Steve Friend.
I don't know Kyle Serif and all that well,
but I've had him on my show.
And it's like, these are the FBI whistleblowers
that came out under the Biden administration.
And like, I fucking,
I wanna believe these guys so bad,
but I'm still like, he's bad still.
He's like, he's bad still.
So I just always, I always keep my guard up,
you know, I just keep my guard up.
I get it.
I think you do have to keep your guard up for sure,
because we've seen this where it's like,
oh, wait a minute,
that's just a total,
that's a total propaganda campaign right there.
Or we've seen people come out like the Trojan Horse
and then suddenly you're like, wait a minute,
who do you play for here?
I try to treat it like I treat everyone else though
and it's hard to do,
because of all the shit we know.
But I try to treat it like,
let me judge it on an individual basis.
At the same time though,
we, you're always dealing with people
who are highly trained at literally knowing how to lie.
Yeah, that's their fucking job.
Yeah, news for you.
I'm not a mind reader.
So, you know, it's tough.
And I understand that.
I'm really good at reading people,
but I still, you know, like ultimately,
I got duped by Trump, you know,
like not that I was never even close to a true believer,
but I still felt like it was a 70-30 decision
when it came to him versus Harris.
You know, it was like, it was pretty easy for me.
The entire woke hegemonic,
demonic thing that the Democrats were pushing,
plus the proxy war World War three in Ukraine.
I was like, we got to change course.
I don't give a fuck, we got to get out of here.
And Trump puts together this incredible team
of all these dissonant figures
or like appeared to be dissonant figures.
And then it just,
and now we're in World War three in Iran potentially.
And it's like, man, I got fucking duped.
So anyways, the reason I bring all this up
is because everything I've crosschecked
about what Joe Kent has had to say,
everything I can verify I have
and he's been telling the truth on.
So like, for me, I wanna believe in Joe Kent,
but now I'm relying on fucking Nick Fuentes
because he was the one who said that
don't trust Donald Trump.
He is owned by Israeli donors
and now he sure looks like Nick Fuentes
was right about that.
Sorry, just being honest.
Yeah, whether, yeah, whether, hold on one second,
whether or not he's,
it doesn't matter who's saying it.
If there's evidence to that,
if he's right, he's right.
I don't like Nick Fuentes even a little bit,
but like Donald Trump was paid fucking $200 million
by the Israel Lobby a day
after he was found guilty
of those bullshit felonies in 2024.
You think that was free?
Yeah, no.
You know?
Definitely not.
But the reason I bring it up
is not even to use Nick's opinion on it,
just to say that the reason I'm taking Nick seriously
is because he got that right when I got it wrong.
So I'm extrapolating forward
and I'm saying Fuentes is very skeptical
about J.D. Vance and Joe Kent.
And he says that Joe Kent is a Peter Teal creation
just the same as J.D. Vance.
As you know, Peter Teal was responsible
for co-founding Palantir.
And it just,
as much as I want to trust Joe Kent,
especially with him saying what I think
is absolutely the fucking truth,
that Israel led us by our nose
into this war against Iran.
But I'm still like, all right,
but what is this really?
Is this an angle?
Are they trying to fucking put Ken up
as the VP for Vance?
And Vance is gonna now come up
and pretend as if he really opposed these wars.
I guess what I'm saying is,
you just get, once you get so deep in this,
you actually get to the point
where you can't trust anything or anyone
and it's really sad.
I think that's the point.
Okay, okay, fair enough.
Yeah, yeah, if I were,
if I were the people,
it's impossible to think like these people
because you're not,
you're a normal fucking human being.
Like if I were the people running the world
as best as I can see
the patterns of how they do things.
If I realized that,
then my sole goal would be to sow chaos
and make people not trust anything
so that I could spread out the blame.
Okay, I could spread out the blame
from me all the way down
to basic run of the mills institutions
that actually don't really affect anything
but people think they do.
And where in that era now?
Cause that's all the elites got left,
like the elite of the elite,
the Bilderberg type people,
that's what they got left.
And so yes,
I mean, I don't know Joe Kent personally.
It's only been a week of us seeing him.
Could be a great actor.
I don't know.
I will tell you,
without having sat down with him personally,
I did find him incredibly measured.
Me too.
When he talked with Tucker Carlson
and I also maybe,
I don't know if this gonna be a good take
or bad take.
This is just how I've always looked at it too.
I've dealt with a couple of the ground branch guys before.
I do view that differently.
I view that differently than when I'm dealing with like,
a Gustamante or a Kiriaku type,
like a case officer, like true blue CIA.
When someone was like 20 years
in the fucking special forces
and then they go basically do ground branch
where they're just taking the same skills
and now they're just read in to go capture
and kill people sometimes.
No, that's definitely a different thing.
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Yeah, I think it's a different culture.
I gotta be open to being wrong about that.
But with Kent,
there's nothing he said
that doesn't make sense looking at the ticker tape
as we can see it.
Yeah, exactly.
Like just looking at it.
No, that's exactly where I'm at with it.
And it may turn out that he's doing it for
other ulterior motives
and I'll then reassess everything that he's had to say
as a consequence of that.
But as of now, it feels as if he's just doing the right thing
at great personal expense and honestly facing jail time,
similar to Kiriakou.
It's like, personally, I don't think that he leaked,
certainly I don't think he leaked anything classified.
I think there's a chance that he leaked those text messages
to Candice, but she denied it, he denied it.
So I guess we'll see TBD on that.
But as of now, I'm just gonna take it with as best I can analyze
and come to the conclusion that it looks like
he's telling the truth right now.
We'll just see where it goes.
Yeah, it's also like every accusation becomes a projection.
That's why I, when I was younger,
when I was like in college and then right after college,
those were my like political times.
So I was a liberal and then I was like a 2016 Trump conservative.
And then I kinda had my black pill moment,
if you I didn't know what was called at the time,
in about late 2017.
And it, I don't need to get into what caused that
and everything, I've talked about that before.
But like it's the one thing in my life,
like maybe the only thing.
Cause all I do is I constantly wake up,
I'm like, well, that's not what I thought it was
with everything.
But like it is the only thing
that through all the ups and downs since then,
which is almost a decade now,
I have felt some personal zen on,
which is that there really is no left
and there really is no right.
Yes, there's ideologies.
Yes, there's people who have wildly different solutions
from socialism to libertarianism
and everything in between.
But like at the end of the day,
people want all the same things
and at the end of the day,
a uniparty system finds a way to distract people
with the things that you think matter the most.
Wow, they simultaneously take care of the things
behind closed doors that really matter the most.
And that's what it feels like right now
with everything that we've seen over the past decade,
more than that.
And in particularly when you see all the things
that the Trump campaign righteously in many cases
called out the previous White House for
and that was the White House running for office,
whether it be gaslighting on mass,
gaslighting on the pandemic,
gaslighting on the vaccine,
which he laid off a little bit
because he was the Godfather of Operation Warp Speed
and all that, gaslighting on Ukraine,
gaslighting on fucking gender,
gaslighting on,
I mean, you insert the blank,
we saw Karine Jean-Pierre get out there every day
and it was just like,
how many times can I lie today?
That's what it was, you know?
Now many of those things,
not necessarily the same things
like gender or something like that,
but many of the same ideas
in a different lens, they're doing.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
That part,
the degree of that,
the degree of the obviousness of that
has surprised me a little bit,
but the idea that that is what happened
didn't surprise me at all.
I mean, this is what these people do
and I don't think anyone gets in there like,
one of the reasons that Trump really
as a young kid appealed to me in 2015
was because of how really was
and off the cuff.
And then he started taking money
because it got real
and he got into the real case
and you started to see
not at first, but over time
you saw some changes
in how he did things.
That said, looking back on his first administration
before the pandemic hit,
which was a whole fucking thing, right?
You know, it was chaotic.
He wasn't organized
and how to run a White House.
He ran it like a reality show
and there were a lot of issues,
but like
the sun came up,
the lights were on.
It was fine.
Things were okay.
Some of the foreign policy
was actually pretty decent.
That was one place
where I'd given him some credit for.
But in the past,
we didn't necessarily.
When he crossed the DMZ,
that was fucking huge.
I was really impressed with that.
Yeah.
From where that guy went.
We didn't start
foreign wars and stuff
and the guy who spoke in 2015
about, you know,
Saddam Hussein was a bad guy.
Liquid happened after.
Like, he was still there.
And then
something happened
between these terms
or at the start of this term.
I don't know.
And anything that was decent
about Trump and being different.
Most of it
seems to have gone out the window.
And it goes back to those different doors
we talked about earlier.
Like, are you in on it?
Are you blackmailed?
did you want to see it happen the whole time?
I don't know if it's a combination of all that.
But one thing about Donald Trump
that's very strange
is that there has never been a person
in the history of politics
more obsessed with polls
than him.
And he is the kind of guy
who's taught by Roy Kohn
for better or worse
about strength
and leaning on power of crowds
and dynamics.
He's the kind of guy
that when you look at his career,
the minute he could legitimately see
that the scales had tipped
in one direction or another.
All he needed was 51%
on a set issue.
He knew he could go
all the way in on it
because he had just enough
and he could push more people
onto that side
with the momentum
of his press down.
And yet on
at least two
unbelievably key issues.
And now three.
Arguably the three most
key issues
of the current administration
at this moment.
Donald Trump
consistently in his second term.
Has decided to land on the
not just the complete opposite
side of a 51 to 49 poll
the complete opposite side
of a fucking 80 to 20 poll.
And that is more than that
in some cases.
That is Epstein, Israel
and the Iran war.
OK, like he has decided
to spew go out of his way
to praise the opposite
of opinion of not only
what a lot of his base wants,
but what a lot of people
want in general.
Yeah.
And it's like, you know,
maybe he's old.
He's fucking 80 years old.
Maybe he's fucking losing it.
Very possible.
Maybe he's just lost his fastball
or, you know,
maybe there's some other things
that are going on here
that we can't see.
And you have to wonder that
with the Epstein Files.
You do, you know,
I had defended him in the past,
even when I didn't like the guy.
Like I was still defending him
based on some of the evidence
we had about Epstein,
like him going out of his way
to be one of the few people
who was shot him from the rooftops,
which is true.
He was shouting it
before a lot of other people.
You shot him when fucking Alex Jones
was shouting it, right?
Is that just projection
because you're in on it
and you're trying to get out in front of it.
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Certainty have to wonder that, you know.
They've deleted 47,000 files
in the last few weeks,
including some that have allegations against them,
which might not be true,
but like that.
Why would you do that?
You know?
You got nothing to hide.
Why would you do that?
Well, they went way out of their way
to cover up his involvement.
But also,
even if you don't go down the Epstein path,
the Butler Pennsylvania path is very fruitful in my opinion.
I mean,
if you believe it's real,
which obviously some people still believe
it was a major Psyop and blah, blah, blah.
I believe that that guy behind him got killed.
I believe that there was rounds that were fired.
I've dug very deep on this
and I'm convinced that that actually did transpire.
So you'd have to believe that Donald Trump
was willing to let live rounds be fired past him.
I don't fucking believe that for a second.
So.
You have to wonder.
I mean, we don't know fucking anything about Crooks.
We don't know anything about the,
like the motive, the backdrop.
Of course, the lone shooter
who barely misses ends up dead.
So you can't question him.
His entire social media footprint is wiped.
No one's there's been.
They haven't even fucking attempted
to give us a narrative.
They're just like, move on.
It's the closest thing we've had
to a presidential assassination
in decades and decades and decades.
And they don't want to even,
they don't even want to talk about it.
It's like it didn't even happen.
And Trump doesn't want to talk about it either.
And you know, you know, he wants to talk about it.
Cause like, it makes him look so heroic and shit, right?
So the fact that he doesn't talk about it
makes you feel like there's something
really fucking deep there.
Now, this is all just like reading tea leaves.
You know, I'm not, this is not,
nothing is firm conclusion
from what I'm coming up with.
But I don't know how you look at that
and you don't go like everything
that he was running on,
everything he seemed to be about
all got put to the back burner
as soon as that fucking bullet grazed his head.
And that's where I'm at with it.
I think it's a distinct possibility.
I think it is too.
This is where I would love to have been a fly on the wall
for when the knock comes on the door
and I don't know who's on the other side of the knock.
Maybe it's a normal knock.
Maybe it's not.
Maybe it's people I'm not thinking of right now.
I don't know.
But Donald Trump is the embodiment
of the I showed up to my greatest haters funeral
just to make sure that motherfucking dead meme.
All right, like including not for the better,
like for the worse, like he can't read a room.
Sometimes we just want to shut the fuck up
even about people they doesn't like.
He's like 50 Cent buying out front row at Jaw Rolls Concert.
Yes, he's like he was 50 Cent before 50 Cent.
He still has grudges against people
that have been dead for 40 years.
And you're telling me that a 20 year old who shot him
and grazed his ear and tried to take him out.
He don't want to talk about that guy.
Get the fuck out of here.
And that doesn't mean like, you know,
it doesn't have to mean like always in on it or something.
But why is that?
What does he know?
What has he been told?
And who has told him that makes him go, I can't touch that one.
You know, you can make a lot of accusations about Donald Trump.
You can't say he's not.
He ain't got some fucking Alpha in him.
He does. He's a natural kind of Alpha dude.
Why is he such a beta on that?
It doesn't. It doesn't make sense.
I agree. I'm a Podcaster, bro.
I don't fucking know like what it is,
but it could be a lot of things.
Yeah.
Well, let me let me play off of what you said earlier.
You said there's three things that he's totally flipped on.
And it's Israel, Iran and Epstein.
Well, let me reframe that.
It's Israel, Israel, Israel.
Those are those are all.
Those all have major Israel angles.
I mean, the Iran war is purely for Israel.
Epstein, his relationship to Israeli intelligence.
There's other intelligence involvement, of course,
but his relationship to
Ehud Barak and all these fucking.
I mean, like that's clearly an Israel angle.
And then Israel obviously has to do with Israel.
So there you go.
There's your three, dude.
And like if you connect those dots, if you say Butler,
maybe maybe Crooks wasn't, you know, the guy
or maybe it was him, but he was fucking working for them.
I don't know how you I don't know how you like.
I don't know how anyone looks at that and says,
that's crazy to think.
I'm not saying it's true.
I'm just saying you have to give that a viable possibility.
You have to.
Or you're just not being honest about it.
That's how I feel.
I agree.
And listen, you got you got to have tough conversations
in a world where many things are at stake,
including a lot of lives, a lot of lives.
And these are these tough conversations
and it it needs to happen more than it is.
You know, and I'm from New Jersey.
I'm not exactly a fan of Chris Christie.
It was the governor of the state for a while.
But.
You know, he's been talking more recently
about his history with the Kushners,
which is verifiable fact.
You know, he was he was the prosecutor in the mid 2000s.
He did run the case against Kushner's father,
who is the fucking ambassador of France right now,
which is insane.
The the facts of the case were crystal clear
as to what that was, the types of shit
that guy was doing crystal clear far beyond just,
you know, a fucking blackmail Hooker tape,
which that sounds kind of
sounds like a familiar tactic.
I don't know.
It does.
But, you know, to see the influence
that Jared has on the White House.
It's all it's also very interesting that
if you remember at the end of the last White House
after January 6th, shortly after Jared Kushner
in Ivanka Kushner released a joint statement saying
they were stepping back from political life
and didn't want to be involved.
As far as I know, Ivanka has kept to that.
Jared has done the complete opposite.
Jared, suddenly the fucking world's greatest Negotiator,
who can't negotiate shit, you know,
he's going over there and negotiating with the Iranians.
While you but while, you know, they're fucking
hit them on the page or the, you know, the fucking iPhone
saying, yeah, we're about to drop a bomb up their ass.
And he's like, run it, you know.
And it's impossible.
Like here's my thing, Clint.
When you have the national security adviser of the UK.
Flippendly, openly, nonchalantly.
It is wasn't it was it's not like breaking news.
Saying something like, yeah, I was president of the negotiations.
Iran made some decent offers.
But the problem is Kushner und Whitcov, the US Negotiators are
Mossad assets.
Does that automatically mean he's right?
No. But think about how far we've gotten that the
national security adviser for the UK is casually telling
the Guardian, like, yeah, you know, they work for Mossad.
So what do you expect?
They got bomb. Oh well.
Well, and it would be it would be less believable
if it weren't for the fact that the Omanian, I always forget
how to say it, but the Oman Negotiators, who were the, who were
middleman, who were middlemaning negotiation, these most
recent round of negotiations, because we had already blown
them up during the last negotiation.
So they're like, all right, bring in the Oman guys so
that we can have a third party.
They're saying the same thing.
They're like, the Iranians offered fucking everything.
And basically Whitcov and Kushner again tanked it.
And then they fucking murdered the Negotiators.
It's like, I don't, and then you have the UK guy saying that.
It's like, yeah, I mean, what, what other conclusion can you come to?
And then you add in the fact that fucking Jared Kushner
had to sleep in his bed when he was a kid, the fuck out of here.
It's great.
And like, and like you find, you trace, you trace Jared
Kushner hanging around Leon Black for decades at this point,
hanging around Elon Maxwell.
I can pull up these pictures, right?
Hanging around all these people in the Epstein files
him and his brother, particularly his brother.
And we're Epstein clearly has a relationship with them.
Like, at some point, Clint, you know, I'm not a biologist,
but walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, fucks like a duck, swims like a duck.
It's a duck.
And like, I don't know why this is so hard for people to see.
But like, you know.
And it pains me because he's from New Jersey.
I don't like selling out my own people, but like.
Well, if it makes you feel any better,
he doesn't consider you his people at all, in my opinion.
Here, I run this clip from Alex about Bongino, another fraud.
They call him a traitor and attacking.
It's disgusting and damn Bongino attacking Joe Kent.
I mean, it is just so cowardly, absolutely disgusting.
I don't even want to attack Bongino.
He has just become such a shameful person,
but he's just bought and paid for by the Israel lobby, folks.
And I just, you know, I'm not the guy that says everything's Israel,
but now it is Israel, everything people worried about,
things that Pat Buchanan was worried about on foreign policy.
He was right about, but he never thought
they actually run the whole government.
I mean, this and they're doing all against our own interests, folks.
In the end, Israel's on efforts.
Israel's thinking that young was thinking about staying in power.
You know, it's a sales plan of greater Israel and stuff.
It's delusional.
So Alex has been a major holdout on this topic.
And he is, my read on Alex has been, as a long time fan of his,
you probably were inspired by him to get into this world,
because most of us were, but, you know, a long time fan of Alex Jones.
I was very disappointed in him.
And my read of it was he was carrying water
for the Trump administration,
because he was facing a billion dollars in fines.
And he felt as if he had basically received a reprieve almost
by Donald Trump winning in 24.
So he's going to be as optimistic
and spin things as positively as possible.
But even that guy, Alex Jones,
who for the past year had been carrying water
for the Trump administration,
it's just saying it flat out.
He's like, damn, Bongino was clearly compromised
by the Israel lobby.
It's like crystal clear.
So I just think it's, we're at this tipping point
where like either you're going to be honest
about these things,
or your audience is just not fucking with you.
Like they just don't care what you have to say.
And I think that's healthy.
I think it's a good thing.
Bongino was one, we, we had a,
when I was talking with Mike Yagley in Episode 351
back in Oktober, I was saying,
that was the guy I was watching.
So I always made fun of damn Bongino.
Like he was like a really,
look at all this shit.
You know, like had to show that his vein
would be popping on camera and whatever.
And obviously he and I have a lot of political differences.
But like, I respected the fact that,
you know, he left his life
where he's making a lot of money to go.
I guess try to clean up the FBI.
I didn't really know what he worked in Secret Service.
I wasn't really sure of the qualification,
but I'm like, hey, can't be worse than it was, right?
Like good for him, you know?
And then I would watch him come out
in these interviews next to Cash Patel
while he was working there.
And he looked like a hostage.
You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.
People don't believe it.
Well, I mean, listen,
they have a right to their opinion,
but as someone who has worked as a public defender,
as a prosecutor who's been in that prison system,
who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center,
who's been in segregated housing,
you know a suicide when you see one,
and that's what that was.
He killed himself.
You again, you want me to, I've seen the whole file.
He killed himself.
I mean, that vein in his forehead,
instead of anger, was just like stress,
where you're like, bro, like, you know,
do you want his annex?
Like relax.
And it felt like the weight of the world
was on his shoulders.
And so the popular thing right now
would be to just shred Dan Boncino.
If you looked at my Twitter, maybe you think I am,
but like, I feel bad for him a little bit.
And maybe I won't,
maybe I'll just realize he's in on it at some point for sure.
But when I see Dan Boncino,
like the video I saw the other night,
where, you know, he was confronted in public,
and you just see this dude,
who used to be this like really tough guy,
just reduced to rubble.
He is a broken man.
He is, his soul is shattered.
In my opinion, I don't know the guy.
It's just how it looks to me.
He is completely destroyed.
And I want to know what it is that destroyed him.
Maybe it is as simple as like they blackmailed him.
I don't know.
But there's clearly dark things.
I mean, this isn't inventing
any kind of fucking wheel right here.
There's obviously extremely dark things
that happen behind the scenes.
And I guess you can't fully know what that is
until you deal with it.
But like, does that make you then a coward
for carrying water for it afterwards?
Or are there things that someone like that
knows through what he saw that realizes
this is the least worst decision?
I don't know.
I'd like to give a human being the opportunity
to not be a total fucking scumbag.
But yeah, there's a chance
that he is being like a total coward.
It's very possible.
But I feel bad that,
like, I don't know.
Like, it's a very different feeling
than I used to have in the past looking at him.
We're just like, oh God, what's this guy gonna say now?
Now it's like, damn, you're really broken.
What happened?
Do you need to talk to somebody?
I speak, it speaks highly to humanity
to try and see the humanity in some like Dan Boncino.
But I gotta be honest with you, I'm not there yet.
I'm in the mode of this guy made his name
off of pretending to be the badass,
the guy that will go into the fucking fire
and deal with the corruption.
And then he went in there, he did fuck all.
And then he covered up a human trafficking ring,
whether or not you believe it's, you know,
all the way down to very, very young girls, whatever.
It was definitely human trafficking
and definitely a spying in blackmail operation
as far as I can tell amongst other things.
And then it's like,
and then you fucking come back out
and then you smear someone like Joe Kent.
I just, I can't fuck with this guy at all.
And as far as I'm concerned, everywhere he goes,
that ought to be the treatment he receives.
In the same world, in the same world,
it shouldn't just be him though.
It should be Rubio and JD Vance
and Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard.
Oh my God, I'm so disappointed in her.
And basically everybody that's still in this administration
who isn't doing the right thing,
who isn't taking the opportunity to stand up
and speak unpopular truths in a time
when we desperately need it when the war is, you know,
on the brink of turning into something really catastrophic.
That's why I'm going to respect Joe Kent,
despite his brief stand with the CIA
and just take him at face value at this junction
because that's what we need to see.
If we don't back up a guy like that,
then why would you expect anybody else
to go out there, put their neck on the line
and tell the truth when we need it most?
Yeah, see, the thing I just said before that,
if it's clipped up, won't be my full thoughts,
they'll be taken out of context
and I'll get killed for it and probably deserve it.
But to give you a larger picture of that,
what I'm getting at,
I'll just use an example, something we know about here.
What if they went to people like Bon Gino
and said, hey, Malaka,
you familiar with the Samson option?
Right, shut your mouth.
It's a distinct possibility, but still.
And if that is the case with all these people
and I found that out in the afterlife,
I would apologize to them for all the ripping
I'm doing of them.
No, no, no.
Because that's somehow even worse.
I think that's probably the only angle
at which their decision making makes sense.
I completely agree with your analysis on them.
And I'm at my core, I want to be sympathetic to it,
but it's just like, we don't have time for that.
Does that make sense?
We needed heroes, we needed heroic action.
These guys pretended to be that
and then they get into the position where they have,
by all appearances, the power to be that
and then they're fucking just absolutely not.
And worse, they're actually demonizing
the few people who are behaving in a heroic fashion,
like Thomas Messi or Joe Kent.
And it's just like, all right, at this one.
So I do want to go back to your point though
of the Samson option.
I think that's a distinct possibility.
I really do, I believe it's a real thing.
But that gives whole new meaning
to Whitney Webb's One Nation Under Blackmail.
I mean, that means the world is under blackmail at that point.
And at what point do we just say,
okay, maybe you do have nukes that are set up on a hair trigger,
sitting under LA and Miami and New York
and who knows where else, right?
Are we just gonna let this nation of 10 million people
control the globe in fear for in perpetuity?
Like, I don't know, it just seems like
at some point, even if it ends up in catastrophe,
we can't function like that forever.
It's so strange too, cause it's like,
at the end of the day,
we shouldn't even be having this conversation
because you got a nation of 9 million people.
I don't even have their GDP in front of us,
but it's nowhere near ours, right?
That has a distinct part of their government
that's just kind of insane
and is causing all these problems with us.
And it's like when you're out on a boat in Jersey.
We have green heads up here,
are you familiar with those?
Green head flies, the motherfuckers,
they eat you alive, they're terrible, right?
It's like a green head
that you just can't just be like,
go the other boat or whatever
while you're trying to sail
and focus on catching the shark out here,
which to me is like a country
with a GDP north of 20 trillion a year like China.
So it's like, we can't even focus
on the thing that actually is like a full threat
because we're getting our ass fucking bit
all over the place by a country
that's supposed to be an ally, right?
Like, it's just, it's very annoying.
The moral of that story,
I don't know if that's the best visual,
but it's extremely annoying to me
because I'm wasting my time here
and then I'm wasting my time with people
who then also may be doing some fucking
really sinister blackmail
just to make sure we do the little things little.
Air quotes there that they need done
that's gonna be at our own expense too.
I don't fuck with that.
And that's why, again,
you wanna take things just like you said
and you're right about this with a grain of salt.
Most people have known who Joe Kent is for like a week.
I only knew who he was cause he followed the show.
I don't know if that was a good thing or bad thing
that the Director of Counterintelligence
followed my show on multiple platforms,
but whatever, I didn't know
like a fuck ton of Adam or anything like that.
So we're seeing what we can right now.
Maybe it turns out he's a fucking lizard person
like six months from now.
I don't know.
I hope he's not,
but like you have to take what you can see right now.
And like we said earlier,
does it look like some of the things he's saying
like the math is math thing
and it looks like the math is math thing.
And then even six days later,
this played out again.
Like everything, what he said on Tucker
about how this goes,
where it's like,
well, you have to kind of corral the Israelis
to get them on board and make sure they follow directions.
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You know, you see Trump put out that all caps
tweet or true social, whatever the fuck it is,
where he's like, you know, typos and all.
You know, we're negotiating with Iran
for a period of five days, whatever.
We're talking with people.
And a half hour later,
the Israeli Air Force announces
and I ratioed them on Twitter,
which was kind of funny.
But they announced that like,
they've become a whole new round of strikes
on all the shit that Trump said in his letter.
They weren't going to do.
And so again, I ask,
why is his small nation fucking
shitting all over our president
when he goes to do something
to the point that then he's on the tarmac
three hours later
and not only does he not call them out,
but when he gets asked
who he's negotiating with in Iran,
he's like, well, I don't want to tell you
because I don't want them to end up dead.
Who the fuck would be killing him?
We all know.
Just say it.
Just fucking say it.
Like, what?
Who do I got a fuck for Donald Trump?
That's a bad term to use with this whole example.
But to call up Benjamin Netanyahu and say,
you do that again, you're out.
Yeah, man.
I don't know why this is so hard.
Well, and that's that's the
that's the whole reason
we spent the first hour talking about
whether it was Butler, whether it was Epstein.
Like, it's something.
Like, it's obviously something
because especially as much of a fucking
Egotist as Donald Trump is,
you know, you know, anybody else
were to undermine Trump
the way Netanyahu has,
he would be demolishing them dead.
I mean, he just never does.
He just constantly backpedals.
Like, he'll get angry for a second
and he'll be like, all right,
I got a got a backpedal off this.
And that's what he does over and over
and over again.
And it's just it's amazing to me
that there are any people
who continue to defend this.
Like, if you're if you're actually
paying attention to the stuff
that you and I are talking about right now,
I don't know how you come to any other conclusion.
Like, I say this every fucking week.
It feels like I'm friends with Tim Pool.
Like in real life, I liked him a lot.
He's a good guy,
but I don't know how he doesn't
see what you and I see about this.
For the life of me, I can't figure it out.
And then it just makes me feel as if, you know,
it's it's his lane that he's in.
You know, he's got a
He's got a reporter at the White House
to impress briefings now.
He wants to have on Congressman.
He wants to have on JD Benz.
He had Donald Trump on his show.
It's like he chose that lane.
And even though I think at his core,
he's an honest guy who wants to do right
by the country and by people.
It just seems like there's a conflict
of interest there that just forces
his brain to shut the fuck off
when he sees stuff that is so obviously
a problem, like a deep, deep problem.
And it's not just him.
I just bring up Tim because he's one of the few guys
I actually know in real life and like,
but this is like pervasive.
And then there's obviously the layer of Paola
and money that's going out to other influencers
that are like literally writing their scripts.
It just makes for a very dark time.
I will say though, on the positive side,
it has opened up lanes for people like you and I
that never would have existed.
And it is, I mean, the fact that
you look at the top five political podcasters in America,
I don't think you're there yet,
but you're getting up there.
It's like, you've got Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson,
Megan Kelly, there's one other I'm blanking on,
but like Shapiro and all, what's that?
Sean probably, Sean Ryan.
Oh yeah, no, no, no, for sure.
I just don't think of him as purely political
even though I probably should.
But anyways, like the more, the more like
clearly right-wing political commentators
that are in the top 10,
all of them are against this war.
And I just think, you know,
they're trying to pretend as if
the podcast world doesn't matter
even though clearly the podcast world
is what got Trump back into power.
But I think the more important thing right now
is that the highest profile people,
the people with growing audiences,
like everybody else is diminishing.
Like even though you and I aren't in the top 10,
we're fucking growing,
like everybody else Shapiro and all these guys Levin,
they're like, they're basically non-entities.
They're gonna be total non-entities in a couple of years.
So, I guess in the short term, it's very frustrating,
but like in the long term,
I think that we're headed in the right direction.
I don't know, I'm trying to fucking find something positive
to talk about here.
Yeah, and I think about the long term always
and that's what I do.
And to be clear, like I'm not a political podcast
or you've seen me, like you and I connected
cause you've seen the recent like Iran and Epstein thing.
The Epstein thing is simultaneously
the easiest and hardest story I've ever covered.
It's the hardest cause it's the darkest shit I've ever seen
and it has changed my world view
on like how things actually work.
It is the easiest cause it is the most bipartisan story
of my lifetime.
They're all guilty, left, right, indifferent.
I am completely free to shred people.
It's fucking amazing
because my podcast is dead fucking down the middle.
I bring people from all different sides of the spectrum.
And this is no shot at all.
To people, but if we're talking about my podcast
like it were, like I were a Megan Kelly
or a Tucker Carlson or something like that
five years from now I failed.
Because that's not what I want to do.
I take the journalistic integrity very seriously.
That's why I set at the outset this issue
of the Iran war where my guys,
our guys are now going over there and dying.
This is again, it's very similar to Epstein.
It ain't left, it ain't right.
It's a fucking issue for our lives
and the future of America as it fucking stands.
And the left and right is largely against this.
And I think it's a moment
where there can be a little bit of unification.
It's the funniest thing ever.
The two things that like Trump is like so,
well, three things that Trump is so off on
are the things that like the left and the right
largely agree with, Iran, Israel and Epstein.
They're all like, yeah, let's go.
Like literally the dude wearing the nom hat
and the chick with pink hair and a nose ring
agree on these things.
It should be a kumbaya, my lord session, but it's not.
And that's where I'm trying to play a role to do that.
But like, yeah, I think to dovetail off
what you're saying where I think you're right
is it is an incredible moment
to be able to cover something honestly
with incredible evidence
and right the wrongs of coverage of things in the past
like Iraq and like Vietnam.
That is how I see this.
And I don't give a fuck what part of the spectrum
someone's on.
If they are willing to do that
and actually see the information
and see what's going on here and cover it,
they're my friend on this issue and I'm okay with that.
And if I have to put aside a little bit of bias
or if I have to inject a little bit of bias,
like I said earlier, I am on this issue
and put aside a little bit of journalism to do that.
This is the type of situation I would do that
and it's the first time in my career I've done it
and I'm okay with that.
Yeah, no, I think that's totally fair.
And I didn't bring up those names
to put you in the same camp.
I was just saying, I think why it's meaningful
is that even though those are all right-wing influencers
or commentators,
is that they're all going against President Trump.
They're all going against this war.
They're all actually stepping out of line.
And I think that that demonstrates-
I have a counter-respect for it.
A counter-respect for it.
It's huge, fuck yeah.
And see, by the way, seeing like Megan Kelly
talk about this so hardcore
over the last few months has been like shocking to me.
And good on her, I mean, she's a tough woman, bro.
Like she doesn't take any shit.
Regardless of where she stood on shit,
like she knows how to stand up for herself.
And this is a hard place to stand up for yourself
when we also had so much other shit happen
a couple of years ago,
where she had to put her spin on it and correctly so.
And in many cases,
I think with the evidence lines up with that.
And now it's like, wait a minute,
now those same people are doing something.
It's tough in that situation.
I'm sure to backpedal.
And I think she finds a way to run right into it,
which is a really, that's an impressive skill.
Yeah, well, and I think it's honestly courageous.
I got to meet her for the first time,
I don't know, five months ago or something like that in Miami.
And I only had a couple minutes to talk to her.
And literally all I said to her was like,
tell the truth, never kneel.
Cause she was really under fire.
Cause she was not willing to abandon her relationship
with Tucker Carlson.
And she wasn't willing to basically rewrite the history
of her friend, Charlie Kirk and,
or give up on her friendship or not even friendship.
She just wasn't willing to basically pile on
to the Candace Owens hate wagon.
And she was being attacked from all angles at that time.
So I had a couple minutes
and that's all I said to her.
And she just looked me in the eye.
And she's like, I really appreciate that.
And it seemed, it seemed sincere.
You never know, right?
But the fact that she's gone on to be like,
to not kneel, to tell the truth,
to stand up when it matters.
I was like fucking awesome.
It makes me feel really good.
And especially because my mom is such a huge fan of her.
My mom listens to my show a little bit,
but she loves Megan Kelly.
So for Megan Kelly to be on our side
on this particular war has helped me a lot.
The fact that Tucker Carlson is doing it,
I reach 100,000 people per show
or some Tucker Carlson reaches millions.
So it just, it makes a big difference.
So I try and both be defensive
and boost anybody who I think is telling the truth.
They don't have to agree with me.
But just if they're trying to tell the truth,
like you're my people.
And that's what I identified with you right away.
I was like, oh, this guy is fucking about it.
And I think-
I'm trying, I don't want,
and I really, that's a huge compliment, man.
And I really, really appreciate that.
At the same time, I think,
I'ma put the ideas out there the best I can.
But listen, for every hot take, there's a cold take too.
Of course.
I think people have to do their own work
on everything as well,
just cause my show might be entertaining
and stuff like that doesn't mean
I'm nail on everything by any stretch of the imagination.
But I am doing my best to where I see things
that are like evil.
All right, let's shine a light on,
especially things where if it's like in the past,
I assumed it wasn't.
Let's write that, let's write that wrong.
At least personally, like on my end.
Oh, of course, man.
And I think that's what makes the industry,
whatever this thing is that we do,
so special to me is like,
I was inspired to get in this lane
because I had just, I got sick of the lies.
I was just so sick of being lied to constantly.
I was so sick of seeing my country destroyed
based off of lies
and having media apparatchics
that were perpetuating these lies shamelessly
and still fucking existing,
still like not going away in shame,
but just continuing to be,
not just present,
but fucking very high profile liars,
like overt liars who got everything wrong
for fucking decades.
And then suddenly with the Rogan wave
and then everything else after that,
it's just like we're washing out so many
just morally decrepit individuals.
And now we're actually in the second wave,
in my opinion,
where a lot of the people that came in,
in the Rogan wave
are now also being proven to be frauds
and liars and bought out and sold out
and blackmailed potentially.
And now hopefully they're gonna be replaced too.
And I see, I've already complimented you once,
but I'm gonna say it again.
I think you're one of those guys
who is in that second wave now
that's like actually it's cresting
and I feel like we have a real chance
to break the back of,
it used to be corporate news
that we were trying to break the back of.
Now it's like, no,
we need to break the fucking back of the indie news
who's actually corporate.
Like those,
that's the new war that we're in.
I haven't heard someone else put this so eloquently,
but I think about this every day.
There's this weird thing that happened
where simultaneously
you had independent media rise
as the equal but opposite reaction
to the mainstream media
and the sins of mainstream media
and everything that they did wrong.
And the renegade rise gave rise to all these people
who were like, yeah, we're the rebels.
And then slowly the audience moved here
and the rebels just by numbers for a second,
stay with me here became the establishment.
But then they actually decided
that they wanted some of those things
and here's what I mean by that.
How many fucking Podcast sets do you see now
that look like they're trying to be
what they think the mainstream would do
with some big studio
that have fucking 40 people with headsets behind there?
You see a lot more of that now.
I sleep on the other side of this wall.
When people come over here,
I don't always have a shirt on.
There's protein powder on the counter sometimes.
And like occasionally,
I forget that there's not toilet paper
in the other bathroom, it's my bed.
I gotta do a better job with that.
But like I go about my life.
There's no difference from day one,
six years ago, when I was in my parents house
and decided to do this.
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mit Millionen umsetzen.
UNISTER, das Unternehmen hinter
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Das Unternehmen hat maßenhaft
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And that's the thing I always talk about
with my guys about.
Like if we ever lost that,
put three in the back of my head.
Like it's over.
Just it's over.
There has to be like,
I think part of it is,
people take themselves so fucking seriously.
And it's like, I sit in here with someone,
it's almost never live, right?
So you know, we turn on cameras,
no one knows it's happening.
We talk, we turn off the cameras.
Later I hit this magic button that says upload
and I walk away and I come back
and there's some numbers on the screen.
Right.
You know, like the rest of my life stays the same.
And I think that some of the purity
has been lost in a lot of independent media.
And I also think,
this is a conversation,
I'll never forget this one.
I had a conversation with my buddy Tommy G.
You familiar with him on YouTube?
Nope.
Tommy G.
He's a Documentarian on YouTube,
does amazing work.
He's been on my podcast a bunch,
really close friend of mine.
But I was talking with him
the night of Trump's inauguration in 2025.
And I said to him, I said,
this is a real critical moment for independent,
independent media right now.
And he said, how so?
And I said,
you know, I wasn't fault in the guys in my industry.
I do not like throwing stones from glass houses.
I get it.
It was a huge cultural moment, all that.
Like the last administration,
we already went through all the ways,
they gaslit people,
like not the least of which was censorship
and the dangers that that was.
That is crystal fucking clear.
So that's a positive with Trump coming in.
We've at least seen like that loosen up,
I would say to this point.
I will give him credit on that.
Like I would say the landscape is a lot different
in that respect.
So of course people in independent media,
people way bigger than me by the way,
understandably saw the importance of that
and then maybe they attend the inauguration
and all that.
But I said, you know,
I don't think you control where you get seated
at the inauguration.
But I said they seated Trump likes Joe Rogan a lot.
So they seated him
like basically just off the dais right there.
And I said to Tommy, I said,
you and I both know if that were Kamala
being sworn in and that we're Anderson Cooper
sitting there instead of Joe Rogan,
everyone would be shredding him
and they'd be a thousand percent right to do it.
Now, do I think that Joe Rogan
is at all complicit in a way
that like an Anderson Cooper is absolutely not.
But we live in a world, Clint,
whether I like this or not.
And to be clear, I fucking hate this.
But we live in a world where how things look
matter more than how things are at the outset.
And I fucking hate that,
but that is what it is.
And so I'm like,
we got to be careful with the cozying up and all that.
You know, like, yes,
in crazy cultural moment and all that,
but you don't want to make the same mistakes
from the other side maybe
that mainstream media made,
that made you be created in the first place.
That's why when you look at any revolution,
the day after the revolution,
they are the fucking conservative establishment, right?
The anarchist liberals become the fucking,
if you do anything, we're gonna take your head off.
That's just human history and what it is.
But I think about this a lot.
I've certainly made my own mistakes,
but I try to keep that as a North Star,
especially by the way,
when it's way easier for me to do that.
Case in point.
All these guys who interviewed Trump
on the way there on the campaign trail,
all the big boys,
that wasn't an option for me.
If I had called up to try to get an interview with Trump,
they would have been like,
who?
Who the fuck?
Get the fuck out of here.
Call the Secret Service, we got another one.
It wasn't even an option.
So easy for me to say,
oh, I wouldn't have done that or whatever.
But the way that that gets spun later,
which I think is unfair by the way,
cause all these shows invited Kamala
and she refused to come on.
So it's unfair.
But the way it gets spun later,
fucks up how you can stand on an issue,
because you get these ad hominem attacks
that are unfair, but it's just the way it is.
You know what I mean?
So I would like to think
that if I hadn't had a guarantee
that both of them would have come in,
I wouldn't have done it,
but I don't fucking know that.
So I'm not gonna sit here and be like, for sure.
I definitely would have said, sorry, Donald.
She said no, so we're not doing it.
That said, I'm dropping episode 400 tomorrow
and I've always had a rule.
Won't say it'll never change,
but it's been consistent for six years.
No politicians.
I was just talking with one the other day,
someone who's running for office
that would do insane views.
Someone I also on another issue
that's not having to do with them running to office.
I just think has an amazing story.
And I was like, fuck man, I'm sorry, I can't do it.
You're running for office.
And it's just, I have to be able to criticize
or praise with no skin in the game.
I have to be able to look at these people
from the outside of the aquarium
instead of swimming in the bowl with them.
And that also includes what I do at the ballot box.
That's why I write in, Journalist abstained
for every single position.
I don't vote on anything down the dog catcher.
I gotta be able to be like, fuck you or great job.
Yeah, no, I think that's a good rule.
And I have had politicians on, I had Vivek Ramaswamy on.
I actually debated him at the Libertarian National Convention.
And I'll just, you're right, I was biased towards him
as a consequence of that.
It's irrefutable.
Once you humanize these people,
which if you're dealing with a charismatic political figure,
naturally they're going to humanize themselves to you.
That's like what their job is, right?
And I think that it made me biased towards him.
So I gotta reflect on that.
And I've stopped interviewing people for the most part.
So maybe that won't even be an issue moving forward,
but it's something for me to chew on.
It's maybe I should just make that a rule.
I think, well, that's the thing.
Everyone has to do it their own way and do it differently.
I mean, I don't know better than everyone else.
I'm just telling you what works for me.
No, no, I got that.
And I'm also in a whole different seat, man.
I guess life journey and your life journey
and anyone I'm gonna talk to, it's different.
And the way you see the world is different.
And just for me, for the part of my content,
that's gonna be where we're covering things
that have to do with geopolitics and stuff like that,
that's how I like to keep it.
In a month or two here,
hopefully assuming this war dies down,
I'm gonna be able to go back
to just doing completely random content all the time.
Which is what I was doing until about a month and a half ago.
Right now, there's just two stories
that are fucking insane, Epstein and this war in Iran.
And so, yeah, I'm talking about these things.
But again, who knows,
if I'd been a lot bigger in 2024
and you have that opportunity,
I might have fucking done it.
I would like to think I wouldn't have, but you don't know.
No, of course.
And I think, as you said,
like we are in different seats, different lanes too.
I am much more overtly political.
And I think really the lesson I learned
isn't so much that I wouldn't have
someone like a like Rama Swami on my show
or a Trump or a JD Vance for that matter,
but rather I need to be more hard hitting.
Like I wasn't being as critical of his claims,
of his background, of his history as I should have been.
And that's just cause I'm not really deep in that world.
I hadn't ever had the opportunity to interview someone
who could go on to become the President of the United States.
Like it was just a leveling up
that I wasn't necessarily prepared for.
So, anyways, I think I will handle it.
Whether I decide to have them on again in the future or not,
I will handle it very differently.
I will definitely try and cut through the bullshit
because really that's what I like about what you do
and what I do is like,
I am trying to get to the honest to God's truth,
regardless of what topic I'm dealing with.
And that includes Politicians.
I want to know who the fuck you are.
And I think we've never,
we've never needed more desperately
to really know who the fuck these people are.
From Epstein, to Iran, to Israeli influence,
to all of these things.
It's like we really need to get to the bottom of this
cause we just simply don't have time.
I just keep-
Dude, I agree man, it's like,
let's, the things that people actually wanna see improve
in society for the next generations,
we're spending so much time on other shit
that we're putting all that to the side.
And it's like, just like you,
I'm looking at my watch going, come on,
what kinda world are the kids and grandkids gonna be living in?
Why don't we work on creating that right now?
I travel so much that I see it.
There's not a single western city that's thriving
and they're all degrading in exactly the same way.
Is a lot of it just a moral decay?
Or is it actually true from everything?
It's a lot of things, but it's self-hatred.
Every city, every European city, every American city,
it's just why people lose their will to live,
their will to pass on, their culture, their values,
their religion to their children,
their will to have children, it's all gone.
I mean, it's not gone with everybody,
but I mean, in the cities you really see it.
It's like the people who built this are long gone
and their descendants have fled
and they don't care enough to keep it going.
There's just a lack of self-respect
that is disgusting to me and I have contempt for it.
Now Tucker goes on to juxtapose his analysis of American cities
to those that are happening in Islamic cities
and particularly UAE and all these other places
that are kind of blossoming
because of all the oil money in these technocratic cities
that they've been producing.
And he's being dragged mercilessly for saying that
he prefers Sharia law to American jurisprudence
or whatever, that's not what he said.
He was just saying, even with Sharia law,
they are producing things that used to be produced in America
and we're not producing them anymore, why?
And that's the fucking smear merchants
are gonna try and drag them for it,
but I know you know that's not the point he was making.
So I wanted to ask you because NYC,
I mean, this is a very, very famous city.
What is your diagnosis as to why
our country doesn't seem to be producing
the same level of beauty, the same level of ingenuity.
I think it's very multifactorial,
but for a New Yorker, New Jersey
and what do you think is the underlying cause of all this?
So I disagree with Tucker,
but I do not, I'm in the middle.
Here's what I mean by that.
Tucker loves to be a doomer on this kind of issue
and he's very into that.
I'm just down here in Florida, it's beautiful,
I go out of here, I don't have a city, it's not a problem,
everything's cleaned up, I go to New York, it's disgusting,
it's horrible.
And like to me, I'm a little worried about Mondani
to be clear, he's only been here a couple of months,
he hasn't burned the place down yet.
To me it's like you gotta have a Democrat
and a Republican running in that kind of thing.
Like, let's not go to fucking Looneyville
and I think he has a lot of Looneyville things,
that's a separate issue,
but I do think the doomerville of like our cities are dead
is wrong.
And I'm gonna give you an example of this.
Dief, my producer and a really close friend,
he and I went to Paris and Rome in December.
Now I've lived in Rome before I lived there for six months.
It's got a special place in my heart for sure,
but Paris I'd never been to.
And when we told people we were going to Paris,
all we heard was, oh my God, I heard it's so dangerous
and it's falling apart and it's just awful.
And like just a, it's a symbol of the West going down.
One of the most lovely,
beautiful cities I've ever been to.
Now, to put that into context,
I got sick right when I got there.
So I said, I'm a big Walker.
So I said to Dief, I was like, all right,
here's the deal, you need me on my feet.
If our ass is sitting down, I'm gonna be dead.
So we're gonna be doing a lot of walking.
So in a span of four days at one point,
we walked 46 miles of Paris at all hours of the day and night.
One of the safest places-
When you said big Walker,
I didn't know you were talking Marathon as well.
Yeah, yeah, no, don't get caught in the city with me.
We don't take Uber, you know.
So, and that's why I do it in New York too.
When I tell you I could barely find trash on the ground,
I'm not exaggerating that,
which is something that we could do a better job with
in New York, to be clear.
It's not all sunshine and rainbows.
There are certainly, I see potholes everywhere
and stuff like that and this is where you don't see that
in these Middle Eastern cities
and Tucker's 100% right about that.
So I don't wanna throw the baby out with the bathwater here.
I am sure, if I really wanted to go through Google Maps
and find some shit, I could have found a neighborhood
in Paris that just like in any city in America,
I wouldn't wanna be in after nine o'clock at night
or maybe after seven o'clock at night, right?
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Those weren't the ones I walked through,
but we walked through a fuck ton of them.
And even the people who in this stereotypical fashion of people
who are freaking out at the West is falling,
who are wearing hijabs and stuff, spoke French,
which maybe we could learn something from that here too, by the way,
because it doesn't always work that way in American cities.
But, you know, we were just like,
and so many people were hitting us up in the comments,
like, oh my God, stay safe.
Bro, we were there at like Christmas time too.
We're underneath the Eiffel Tower.
We're sitting ducks, lovely, you know?
And so I think a lot of it is just...
It's overstated,
and I think Tucker does love overstating that for sure.
That is not to say that a place like I haven't been like Dubai,
for example, I haven't heard unbelievable things
about the cleanliness, the safety and all this stuff
that is beyond the standards of Western cities.
Having not been there, I believe that 100%.
And I've talked to enough people.
I think that's a real thing for sure.
So yeah, maybe we could learn from some of that for sure.
But like even New York,
I remember the last day I was in New York
before the pandemic was February 28th, 2020.
And this was, it was a Friday.
And if you remember, the 24th had been that Monday,
that was the first day where the markets were taking a shit.
And I was still working on Wall Street at the time.
So then Friday, they took a big shit.
And I remember I had a meeting in a building
right by Grand Central Station,
and I was like an hour early.
So I went down to the bottom level of Grand Central Station
and I'm on the Bluetooth, talking with a client
and looking, refreshing the stock page
while I'm talking with them.
And I'm seeing the Dow down fucking 1800, 2100.
And I'm like, holy shit.
And I just kind of looked around at the place for a second.
And I saw it packed.
I saw all these people.
And I remember thinking to myself,
if you want to talk about cold take,
I was like,
we're gonna be all right.
Yeah, no, we're gonna be fine.
This is nothing.
And then that ended up being the last time I was there
until January, 2021,
right after de Blasio left office.
And I remember pulling in on the train
to New York City with my buddy
at eight o'clock at night on a Friday.
I had pulled in on that same train
many, many times before eight o'clock on a Friday.
And when I got out of Penn Station,
I was like, oh my God.
And it wasn't so much that like shit was falling.
The buildings weren't falling down or anything.
I didn't even see like that many rats,
or that much trash.
It wasn't great, it wasn't crazy.
But like, it was dead.
There was no one out.
The streets were gone.
And when you saw someone, they looked down
and they had a fucking N95 mask on
and you thought it was like Mad Max Fury robe.
And then I remember,
he makes us get in the Uber, of course,
cause he knows we'll be fucking walking all night,
if I have my way.
So we get off the Uber in the Lower East Side,
which is like the most happening,
young person, neighborhood in New York.
And we walk, he's like, all right,
I'm like five blocks away.
I'm like, great.
So we walk about a block and I was like, great.
And we stopped.
And I could hear someone,
when I think Amanda Lynn,
three blocks away,
I started walking towards it,
playing the Godfather theme song.
And the fact that I could hear this,
bar for bar, note for note,
in New York City,
on a Friday night at about 8.15 pm,
perfectly from three blocks away,
on the Lower East Side,
I was like, holy shit,
this place might be dead.
And I say all this,
because even after all that shit
and all the propaganda with COVID and everything,
somehow it kind of came back.
And yes, there's plenty of things I want to see fixed.
I don't want to sit here and be like,
New York's the cleanest city of all time.
It's incredible.
We in the West are setting the standard
for the whole world.
All of our architecture,
new architecture is beautiful.
I'm not saying these things.
But the whole like,
what's the old Trump line?
It's the American dream is dead.
Like that whole Tucker Carlson Dumerism of it,
I disagree with that.
And I think we have to like learn
in order to build things up
into what we want it to be,
to have more beauty standards again,
to have more cleanliness standards,
more safety standards,
we have to love the good things
that we have as well.
And some people might call me
a fucking hippie for saying that.
My hair probably doesn't help with that,
but like, you know,
that is how I feel about it.
And I do think that I have to see
a lot of things with my own two eyes
to know that like sometimes
it's a lot of people
who actually aren't in these places
who are saying this stuff.
I mean, you saw Tucker and Pierce
disagree about London.
I've talked with people
who live in London as well
and they have thoughts
where they're like
there's certain neighborhoods
is like kind of let that go.
We shouldn't be there.
The rest of it, they're like,
I love it. It's great.
You know, it's not to say
there aren't some trends there
that you shouldn't be looking at going,
yo, that needs to fucking change.
I'm not saying like, of course,
of course, again,
you don't want to, to me,
you don't want to throw the baby out
with the bathwater from either direction.
And so that, you know,
those are the two sides to get attention.
You get the people like Tucker,
like it's dead or you get the people
are like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Everything is great.
And there's a guy getting shot right next to you.
Right, right.
Maybe it's near.
No, yeah, of course,
I think the truth is certainly in between.
I just think that the
Tucker analysis.
Well, I agree with you that
that the Dumer's conclusion
is probably not helpful.
I do think that the trend line
for our nation, it is helpful
because it drives urgency,
because it requires people to pay attention
to start to actually analyze.
All right, what were ABCDEFG
that actually got us into this paradigm?
And so, so for that reason,
I like Tucker's analysis.
I do agree with you, though,
if it, if it's conveyed in a way
that it's like,
look how fucked everything is
and there's nothing we can do about it.
That's a big mistake.
So I don't think that that's really
how Tucker feels about it.
Fortunately,
is that he does seem to genuinely
want to change things.
I just think he believes
it's much further down that path
than probably you and I do.
I'm probably closer to Tucker
than you are on that particular topic.
Maybe it's just because of my own cities.
You know, like I grew up in San Diego
and then everything's fucking pristine
and perfect.
And then all of a sudden
there's these lockdowns
and all of a sudden there's these homeless encampments.
And then all of a sudden
my car isn't broken into
and homeless dudes are shit in my front yard.
And it's like, all right.
And then you go to LA
and you go to Skid Row
and you're like,
this is like a literal zombie apocalypse movie.
So it's all, it's all localized.
Like you don't, you can't,
you can't make far reaching
assessments based off of that stuff.
But I do think
that there is something to be said
for the fact that we are not,
we are just not like
the far and away
culture mover, industry mover,
innovative, reproducing,
having families.
Like all of those things
that you and I kind of grew up in
that has, that really is imperiled.
So I just want to
I agree on that.
I think that, yeah, no, no, no.
I think there are a lot of things
Tucker says about like
the American Nuclear Unit ideas,
if you will,
that he's on those issues.
I'm going, yo, I got numbers.
I got numbers across the board on that
that are more black and white
rather than like,
hey, you got to go stand here
and see it.
You know what I mean?
So, yeah, I don't want to give that.
I think part of it's also
like I've always had a problem
throughout my whole life
with self talk to myself,
where I tell myself that.
I suck at this
or like whatever this thing is
in front of me.
It's always like looking
and it would limit me
for a long time.
Now, I don't think
the opposite of like,
I'm great at everything
is the answer.
But I think about that
sometimes,
because I've worked on that
a lot over the past five, six years.
I think about that
when I'm talking about
like my own country
and things
and trying to be like a force
for changing things
that are clearly on a bad trajectory,
while also not being like
it's all dead.
Everything's gone.
You know, life.
The sky is black.
You know, there's absolute.
There isn't a dollar
on the street.
You know what I mean?
So.
That balance.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I couldn't say it better myself.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's
exactly how I feel.
And particularly
because of the stuff I cover.
It's like it's
I'm covering really dark shit.
Like there's just no way around it.
So it's very hard for me
to not also be dragged
into the darkness, you know, to like still
still find reason for optimism
and still try and leave my audience
with a sense of hope
because the last thing I want
are the people who are
and this is going to sound egotistical.
But the people who are smart
enough to be listening to me,
I need y'all to be motivated.
I need you guys to be fucking out there, crushing.
I need you to be having families.
I need you to be doing, you know,
creating the next big tech boom or whatever.
Like I want those people
to be the leaders of the future of our country.
Because I really believe like
the people who are tuning into a show like mine,
not to say that I'm right about everything far from it.
But like I'm diving deep
and I'm not I'm not selling you anything,
you know, bullshit wise.
And it's like
if you if you found me
in the infinite options
of the internet to listen to,
that tells me something about you.
Like it tells me that like you're
you're really going after it.
Like you really want to get to the bottom of shit
because that's who I am, you know.
So I want those people to fucking crush.
So I don't want them to be depressed.
That's what I wanted to say about it.
You're like the Fight Club of movies.
But in commentary culture, I got it.
It's like you just don't talk about it,
but you're here.
Nah, that's good man.
And I think we need honest voices
from all different perspectives doing exactly that.
And at the end of the day,
we should all want the same things.
And I think people in power across the world
and in our own country as well
have decided that, you know,
they want to distract us with fights over stupid shit
that then, you know,
let's the road paved to hell occur
where we're not looking.
So, yeah.
Well, that's our job.
Make sure that they see that road getting paved.
All right, Julian, go ahead and tell my audience
where they can follow you man.
I really appreciate your time.
I think that, as I said, you are the next wave.
So it's good to know you man.
Thank you, you as well, Clint.
I'm looking forward to having you up here
to be on the show.
And I could, you won't get shot outside,
I promise, but yeah.
So I am, you just type in my name,
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Main channel does the full podcast.
We put out two, three hour episodes a week with guests.
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Wir waren die besten.
Wir waren besser als alle anderen.
Die Geschichte eines ostdeutschen Startup-Wunders
mit Millionen umsetzen.
Junester, das Unternehmen hinter,
App in denUrlaub.de.
App in denUrlaub.
Doch dann Betrugsvorwürfe.
Das Unternehmen hat maßenhaft und schwer Rechtsverletzung begangen.
Dubiose Geschäfte.
Man war so hoch aufgestiegen, dass man sich für unverletzlich will.
App in denUrlaub, der Crash des Internet-Imperiums-Unister.
Jetzt in der ARD-Sounds-App.
Und überall, wo es Podcast gibt.