WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.980 Wir waren die besten. Wir waren besser als alle anderen. 00:03.280 --> 00:06.920 Die Geschichte eines ostdeutschen Start-up-Wunders mit Millionen umsetzen. 00:07.260 --> 00:10.340 UNISTER, das Unternehmen hinter App in den Urlaub.de 00:12.160 --> 00:14.360 Doch dann Betrugsvorwürfe. 00:14.480 --> 00:17.500 Das Unternehmen hat maßenhaft und schwer Rechtsverletzung begangen. 00:17.600 --> 00:18.660 Dubiose Geschäfte. 00:18.800 --> 00:21.620 Man war so hoch aufgestiegen, dass man sich für unverletzlich hielt. 00:21.880 --> 00:25.260 App in den Urlaub, der Crash des Internet-Imperiums UNISTER. 00:25.340 --> 00:29.280 Jetzt in der ARD-Sounds-App und überall, wo es Podcasts gibt. 00:30.160 --> 00:33.780 Frau Schmidt, was stellen Sie sich denn vor für Ihre berufliche Zukunft? 00:34.080 --> 00:36.460 Ich will was echtes machen, wo ich mich voll reinhänge. 00:36.700 --> 00:38.760 Und wenn es fertig ist, mega stolz sein kann. 00:38.860 --> 00:41.760 So was, wofür ich brenne und alle, die mit mir arbeiten auch. 00:41.960 --> 00:44.360 Und ich will das anderes lieben, was ich dafür Sie mache. 00:44.560 --> 00:46.400 Ich will dranbleiben, Erfolge feiern. 00:46.580 --> 00:49.680 Klar auch mal zweifeln, aber nie, nie, nie verzweifeln. 00:49.880 --> 00:50.620 Also hören Sie mal. 00:50.980 --> 00:52.760 Ich will es einfach richtig fühlen. 00:52.780 --> 00:53.880 So was gibt es doch gar nicht. 00:54.380 --> 00:55.860 Gibt es doch im Handwerk. 00:56.280 --> 00:59.300 Wir machen Karriere mit Gefühl das Handwerk. 00:59.300 --> 01:02.400 Wir haben uns gebeten, dass wir nicht in der Wahrheit interessiert sind. 01:02.400 --> 01:04.300 Und einfach, um die Leute zu bemerken, was das zu bemerken ist. 01:04.620 --> 01:07.960 Das ist, dass nach Charlie's Mörder, 01:08.260 --> 01:11.620 da waren Textmessage von einer privaten Gruppe, 01:11.900 --> 01:15.400 die publisch gemacht wurden, und wir waren gebeten, 01:15.940 --> 01:19.700 dass wir die große Conspiracy-Theorie, 01:19.700 --> 01:21.700 die wir wieder und wieder überwinden, 01:21.780 --> 01:26.760 das Israel oder die Jews, die Charlie mörderten. 01:26.860 --> 01:27.040 Ja. 01:27.620 --> 01:30.080 So, which we do not believe, which we do not believe. 01:30.300 --> 01:33.020 But we have been accused of trying to, 01:33.480 --> 01:34.780 or we're not interested in the truth. 01:35.240 --> 01:39.000 The actual fact of the matter is that behind the scenes, 01:39.200 --> 01:41.000 we have given everything we know to give. 01:41.180 --> 01:42.340 Every single piece of information. 01:42.680 --> 01:43.520 This was one of them. 01:43.860 --> 01:45.400 I was told I could trust Joe Kent. 01:45.660 --> 01:47.940 I provided the screen grabs to Joe Kent. 01:48.440 --> 01:50.440 I don't know what happened to them at that point. 01:50.680 --> 01:52.320 Okay, I just wanna make that very clear. 01:52.500 --> 01:54.620 Joe did message me and suggest 01:54.620 --> 01:56.940 that I make those screen grabs public. 01:57.560 --> 01:59.960 I declined because those were shared privately. 02:00.820 --> 02:02.780 I didn't want to be reckless with them in the public. 02:02.920 --> 02:04.860 There could be innocent people on that group chat 02:04.860 --> 02:05.840 that would then be harmed. 02:06.080 --> 02:07.300 I wanna take the start of this show 02:07.300 --> 02:10.360 to address some of the things 02:10.360 --> 02:11.620 that have been going around on public, 02:11.800 --> 02:14.380 namely about a text, a group text chain 02:14.380 --> 02:18.380 that has been made known and released by Candace Owens. 02:18.820 --> 02:20.360 And I just wanna address it head on 02:20.360 --> 02:24.820 because that was a text grab, a screen grab 02:24.820 --> 02:26.960 that I had shared with people. 02:27.060 --> 02:28.060 So it is authentic. 02:28.400 --> 02:29.440 And I wanna go into it 02:29.440 --> 02:31.040 because I actually am really excited 02:31.040 --> 02:32.540 that the truth is out there. 02:32.880 --> 02:34.000 Yeah, there could be innocent people 02:34.000 --> 02:35.100 that could be harmed, like, 02:35.880 --> 02:36.960 I don't know, Charlie Kirk maybe? 02:37.520 --> 02:39.620 So that's Andrew Colvidt, 02:39.620 --> 02:41.400 basically letting the cat out of the bag 02:41.400 --> 02:43.480 that he turned over that group chat 02:43.480 --> 02:45.320 that Candace Owens made public 02:45.320 --> 02:47.180 that demonstrated that Charlie Kirk 02:47.180 --> 02:48.280 had been under massive pressure 02:48.280 --> 02:49.820 from prosionist donors 02:49.820 --> 02:51.380 and that he was leaving the prosural cause. 02:52.560 --> 02:53.980 And now we know the truth, 02:54.500 --> 02:55.960 that that's all real. 02:56.780 --> 02:57.920 So I'll start there. 02:58.300 --> 03:00.280 Julian Dory, host of the Julian Dory Podcast. 03:00.780 --> 03:01.660 Big fan of his. 03:02.280 --> 03:03.640 Just curious what your thoughts are. 03:03.820 --> 03:05.120 Have you been following the Candace Owens case, 03:05.640 --> 03:06.780 excuse me, the Charlie Kirk case, 03:07.740 --> 03:09.020 spearheaded by Candace Owens 03:09.020 --> 03:10.320 and what are your thoughts? 03:11.560 --> 03:12.200 Yeah, I mean, 03:12.300 --> 03:14.560 it's kind of impossible to go on Twitter 03:14.560 --> 03:17.640 or X and not see that, 03:17.700 --> 03:18.700 at least in the background. 03:19.220 --> 03:21.500 I, like, I think pretty much everyone else, 03:21.560 --> 03:24.080 I've ever talked to on this Smell-A-Rat. 03:24.840 --> 03:27.360 You know, the idea that this kid, 03:28.540 --> 03:31.260 this crazy 20-year-old kid just acted alone, 03:31.640 --> 03:33.580 similarly to, like, what we saw in Butler, 03:33.820 --> 03:35.180 where they're like, Kirk's acted alone. 03:35.320 --> 03:35.940 Don't worry about it. 03:35.980 --> 03:39.100 Nothing to see here makes no sense. 03:39.220 --> 03:41.180 It's not to say he didn't fire the shot. 03:41.300 --> 03:43.160 I could see that certainly be in the case, 03:43.160 --> 03:45.320 but at the same time, 03:45.760 --> 03:47.240 there was a lot going on here 03:47.240 --> 03:50.560 and there was an unbelievable effort to 03:51.920 --> 03:53.280 sweep this under the rug. 03:53.640 --> 03:56.480 And, you know, this is the other thing 03:56.480 --> 04:00.740 and I've only recently started going here with this. 04:01.020 --> 04:04.060 And, you know, maybe I could have done this earlier, 04:04.200 --> 04:05.560 but I did want to play out. 04:06.420 --> 04:09.060 I remember, so he was killed on a Wednesday. 04:09.680 --> 04:13.040 On Friday, I had to drive, like, six hours 04:13.040 --> 04:14.960 to my buddy's wedding, first thing in the morning. 04:15.200 --> 04:18.660 So Friday night, I'm chilling, getting a little work done, 04:19.140 --> 04:21.120 and I see an announcement come through 04:21.120 --> 04:23.540 that Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk, 04:23.840 --> 04:24.820 is gonna speak publicly. 04:25.520 --> 04:27.720 So I'm like, all right, let's turn this thing on right here. 04:28.320 --> 04:29.300 And I turned it on, 04:29.860 --> 04:32.380 and maybe she talked for, like, 10, 15 minutes. 04:32.980 --> 04:36.160 And I shut the computer and I actually felt guilty 04:38.720 --> 04:41.520 because you know that thing where you're just like, 04:41.820 --> 04:45.240 uh-uh, this is so fucking off. 04:45.880 --> 04:47.900 Like, was I just watching an actress? 04:49.160 --> 04:50.700 Like, that was not real. 04:51.260 --> 04:52.200 That is what I felt. 04:52.420 --> 04:54.280 And I felt guilty about this 04:54.280 --> 04:56.480 because I was like, how dare you have that touch, Julian? 04:56.760 --> 04:59.500 How dare you go after a grieving widow like that in your gut? 04:59.680 --> 05:00.640 You know, it was just a thought. 05:00.800 --> 05:03.080 It was like my own personal thought crime, if you will, 05:03.080 --> 05:04.060 how Orwellian. 05:04.560 --> 05:07.080 But a couple days later... 05:07.080 --> 05:07.900 You knew the Uncanny Valley? 05:08.940 --> 05:09.460 Yes. 05:10.220 --> 05:12.440 I want justice for my husband. 05:12.720 --> 05:14.640 When one of President Trump's closest advisors, 05:14.960 --> 05:19.680 who is vocally advocating for us to not go to war with Iran 05:20.240 --> 05:23.720 and for us to rethink at least our relationship with the Israelis, 05:24.180 --> 05:26.020 and then he's suddenly publicly assassinated. 05:26.280 --> 05:27.260 Go down that rabbit hole. 05:27.700 --> 05:27.920 Whatever. 05:28.340 --> 05:30.120 We were stopped from continuing to investigate. 05:30.440 --> 05:31.700 Charlie was under a lot of pressure 05:31.700 --> 05:34.700 from a lot of pro-Israel donors. 05:34.900 --> 05:38.520 He took massive, massive abuse from his own donors, 05:38.700 --> 05:41.360 and they expressed it to him in a very intense way. 05:41.460 --> 05:42.500 I know because he showed me. 05:42.840 --> 05:45.780 I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti-Semite. 05:46.000 --> 05:47.560 Be very careful, Charlie. 05:47.720 --> 05:50.400 The Prophet's warned that those who curse Israel will be cursed. 05:50.960 --> 05:53.100 He is going to lift his hand from you. 05:53.480 --> 05:54.780 It will be to your peril. 05:54.860 --> 05:56.840 He did feel threatened by that. 05:57.240 --> 05:58.240 He didn't say that. 05:58.540 --> 06:00.400 Everyone wants an answer to this evil. 06:00.880 --> 06:04.160 And sometimes the answer is very clear. 06:04.380 --> 06:06.260 We still had a lot more leads to run down 06:06.260 --> 06:08.780 that pertained to some kind of a foreign nexus. 06:09.060 --> 06:09.820 How do you know? 06:10.100 --> 06:14.560 We're cut off pretty early on from being able to access the files. 06:14.920 --> 06:15.900 I've seen it all. 06:16.160 --> 06:17.920 Told that, hey, you guys need to stop. 06:18.100 --> 06:18.700 You can't work on this anymore. 06:19.200 --> 06:21.600 Not an honest effort was given. 06:21.780 --> 06:22.640 You don't believe the truth. 06:22.780 --> 06:23.680 I don't know what to tell you. 06:23.920 --> 06:26.620 If it is a Slam Dunk case that he took the shot, 06:26.900 --> 06:28.920 what about all the people who had prior knowledge? 06:28.920 --> 06:30.140 The darker it gets. 06:30.520 --> 06:32.840 I'm over there thinking I'm in crazy towns. 06:33.000 --> 06:34.100 This is a mind virus. 06:34.380 --> 06:35.780 There was more work for us to do 06:35.780 --> 06:37.720 on the potential of a foreign nexus. 06:37.940 --> 06:39.040 Israel killed Charlie. 06:39.680 --> 06:40.040 Come on. 06:40.460 --> 06:41.820 Coming up on several months now. 06:42.780 --> 06:43.940 Why hasn't this been done? 06:44.340 --> 06:45.340 We are busy building. 06:45.500 --> 06:47.240 There's been a lot of sympathy 06:47.240 --> 06:49.080 and his movement has grown, et cetera. 06:49.320 --> 06:50.540 I'm not going to sit in the corner 06:50.540 --> 06:52.560 and cry and be in fetal position. 06:52.920 --> 06:55.300 But actual curiosity about getting to justice. 06:55.840 --> 06:58.420 Basically daily being like anything new, anything new. 06:58.420 --> 07:00.520 To figure out what happened. 07:00.800 --> 07:01.880 Because it's too simple. 07:02.300 --> 07:03.160 That makes me furious, 07:03.380 --> 07:04.800 that we're being blocked from that. 07:05.100 --> 07:06.360 Everyone always has to think 07:06.360 --> 07:07.400 there's more to the story. 07:07.500 --> 07:08.460 Well, sometimes there's not. 07:08.820 --> 07:10.200 We're not allowed to ask the question anymore. 07:10.480 --> 07:10.980 What does that mean? 07:11.080 --> 07:13.120 What does that mean that there are people 07:13.120 --> 07:14.160 and there's entities out there 07:14.160 --> 07:16.040 that don't want us looking into this? 07:16.340 --> 07:18.580 I do not have time to address the noise. 07:18.680 --> 07:20.680 There was more stones for us to overturn. 07:21.200 --> 07:23.540 No rock will be unturned. 07:23.600 --> 07:25.880 Turning over every single stone. 07:25.880 --> 07:28.600 Considering how pivotal Charlie was 07:28.600 --> 07:29.500 to the MAGA movement. 07:30.240 --> 07:30.800 Stop. 07:31.780 --> 07:32.940 And to President Trump 07:32.940 --> 07:35.260 that there hasn't been a more concerted effort 07:35.640 --> 07:37.760 to find the truth and to find justice. 07:38.460 --> 07:38.840 Stop. 07:39.340 --> 07:41.500 She gives Uncanny Valley vibes where like 07:41.940 --> 07:44.320 even when you know that you're supposed to 07:44.320 --> 07:46.300 you're supposed to feel bad for her 07:46.300 --> 07:47.740 and you're supposed to trust her. 07:48.060 --> 07:48.840 And you're supposed to like 07:48.840 --> 07:50.860 do everything you can to protect her. 07:51.200 --> 07:53.040 But because of the Uncanny Valley vibes 07:53.040 --> 07:54.240 that she gives when she speaks 07:54.640 --> 07:55.680 that it just makes it impossible 07:55.680 --> 07:57.160 for anybody who's paying attention 07:57.160 --> 07:58.560 to still feel that way 07:58.560 --> 07:59.460 after a certain amount of time. 08:00.120 --> 08:01.720 I haven't heard that one yet 08:01.720 --> 08:02.460 but that's perfect 08:02.460 --> 08:03.780 because that's that's what it was. 08:04.020 --> 08:04.680 I remember I'm 08:04.680 --> 08:06.380 I go that wedding the next day. 08:06.900 --> 08:08.880 Sunday morning I'm driving home 08:09.400 --> 08:10.960 and my buddy Danny Jones 08:10.960 --> 08:12.000 who has a great show, 08:12.120 --> 08:13.940 Danny Jones podcast calls me. 08:14.020 --> 08:14.900 I talk to him all the time 08:16.100 --> 08:17.320 and it was like 08:17.320 --> 08:18.820 we were both coming out of the closet 08:18.820 --> 08:19.780 like slowly. 08:20.320 --> 08:21.100 I was like you watch that 08:21.100 --> 08:22.840 that Eric Kirk thing the other night. 08:22.840 --> 08:24.580 And he's like, yeah, bro. 08:25.420 --> 08:27.840 And I'm like, I don't know. 08:28.020 --> 08:29.100 You're just, you're like waiting to see 08:29.100 --> 08:30.220 and he goes to me too. 08:31.140 --> 08:33.000 Yeah, it was literally like that. 08:33.120 --> 08:35.120 Oh my God, I was thinking the same thing. 08:35.220 --> 08:37.060 I'm like, oh my God, I'm not alone here. 08:38.520 --> 08:39.920 And she just, 08:40.640 --> 08:41.660 apparently there's all 08:41.660 --> 08:43.780 and I know a little less about this part now. 08:43.900 --> 08:45.880 I don't watch the case close enough 08:45.880 --> 08:48.260 to be able to give a full educated comment on this. 08:48.360 --> 08:48.900 But apparently 08:49.420 --> 08:51.740 there's all kinds of odd past links 08:51.740 --> 08:53.560 with her in places she's been 08:53.560 --> 08:55.800 and it feels like a little bit of a set up 08:55.800 --> 08:57.760 kind of marriage, if you will, 08:57.900 --> 09:03.000 but like she is just really cold 09:03.640 --> 09:08.520 and it comes across as a terrible actress. 09:08.720 --> 09:10.120 Now, you know, 09:10.620 --> 09:12.360 you look at someone like Amanda Knox 09:12.360 --> 09:14.140 who was tried in the court of public opinion 09:14.140 --> 09:15.820 because she has a weird disposition 09:16.420 --> 09:19.120 but then was clearly innocent of what she did. 09:19.580 --> 09:20.500 You do have to say that. 09:20.500 --> 09:22.900 The difference here is you have pyrotechnics 09:22.900 --> 09:25.840 Wwe lady using fucking tissues 09:25.840 --> 09:27.720 with Vicks cream or whatever on it 09:27.720 --> 09:29.560 to make herself cry just to go out there 09:29.560 --> 09:33.340 and talk about the loss of her husband. 09:33.620 --> 09:35.440 And she says everything like almost like 09:35.440 --> 09:37.100 in the shitty iambic pentameter 09:37.580 --> 09:39.520 and you're like, come on, you know. 09:40.600 --> 09:43.560 Throws his home, daddy's home, Shabbat Shalom, yeah. 09:43.900 --> 09:45.400 It's so off, man. 09:45.700 --> 09:47.020 But see, here's the thing, it's like 09:47.440 --> 09:49.060 and I kind of break this down is 09:49.060 --> 09:50.840 there's like the female analysis 09:50.840 --> 09:52.180 which Candace Owens spearheads, 09:52.320 --> 09:54.320 which is like they're all judging her 09:54.320 --> 09:56.300 based off of like how they would act 09:56.300 --> 09:58.120 because they're women and mothers and wives 09:58.120 --> 09:59.640 and feel like this is all wrong. 10:00.300 --> 10:03.040 And then I feel like the more male angle on this 10:03.040 --> 10:04.700 which has been spearheaded by Baron Coleman 10:04.700 --> 10:06.680 I've played a part in it, other people have 10:07.160 --> 10:09.020 is like just evidence-based. 10:09.520 --> 10:11.480 Like all right, what's weird about this narrative? 10:12.040 --> 10:14.640 And what I find the overlap in that is 10:14.640 --> 10:17.560 her behavior, which Candace Owens has highlighted 10:18.040 --> 10:18.820 makes no sense. 10:19.120 --> 10:20.900 And then you add in this Joe Kent disclosure, 10:21.720 --> 10:23.180 which this was a big story 10:23.180 --> 10:25.040 that came out in October of 25 10:26.620 --> 10:29.480 that he had been trying to run down 10:29.940 --> 10:32.860 a foreign node of influence or an angle 10:33.380 --> 10:34.500 in the Charlie Kirk assassination 10:34.920 --> 10:37.060 that he believed warranted investigation. 10:37.580 --> 10:39.640 And he was frozen out by Cash Patel in the FBI. 10:40.160 --> 10:42.480 This was reported on by the Daily Mail in October. 10:42.760 --> 10:44.260 So this is not like a nothing burger. 10:45.060 --> 10:47.180 And then Joe Kent, after his resignation, 10:48.300 --> 10:49.720 which by the way, blowing the whistle 10:49.720 --> 10:54.040 about us being led into a war by Israel against Iran. 10:54.840 --> 10:57.280 And this is now backburnered to this story. 10:57.500 --> 10:58.300 Kind of feels like a mistake, 10:58.460 --> 10:59.540 but anyways, we'll keep it moving. 11:00.600 --> 11:02.780 Joe Kent confirmed that that it was in fact true 11:02.780 --> 11:05.180 that he did see reason to believe 11:05.180 --> 11:06.320 that there was foreign involvement 11:07.060 --> 11:08.420 and that he wanted to make sure 11:08.420 --> 11:09.260 that there was nothing there 11:09.260 --> 11:11.040 and he was not permitted to do so. 11:11.040 --> 11:12.540 So my question to you is, 11:13.080 --> 11:18.000 in what world does the widow slash spouse 11:18.810 --> 11:20.620 of an assassination victim 11:21.980 --> 11:25.960 not back up the director of counterterrorism 11:25.960 --> 11:28.680 as he tries to run down every possible lead 11:28.680 --> 11:30.500 to make sure everybody involved 11:30.500 --> 11:31.960 in the assassination of your husband, 11:32.300 --> 11:33.420 the father of your children. 11:34.040 --> 11:35.140 And you don't back him up. 11:35.540 --> 11:36.880 TPUSA doesn't back him up. 11:37.020 --> 11:38.440 You've got members of TPUSA, 11:38.520 --> 11:39.180 including Josh Hammer, 11:39.180 --> 11:40.940 who's not really a member of TPUSA, 11:41.100 --> 11:42.820 but other people in TPUSA 11:42.820 --> 11:45.680 who seem to be wanting Joe Kent put in fucking prison. 11:46.480 --> 11:49.100 And I'm like, Joe Kent seems to be the only one 11:49.100 --> 11:50.500 who's acting honorable in this 11:50.980 --> 11:52.180 and you guys are angry at him. 11:52.580 --> 11:54.540 And what conclusion can we come to other than, 11:54.920 --> 11:57.740 well, there's something really awry here. 11:58.000 --> 11:59.380 Like you guys are scared to death 11:59.380 --> 12:00.380 of the truth coming out. 12:00.800 --> 12:01.820 And I've never believed 12:01.820 --> 12:03.640 that TPUSA was involved in the assassination, 12:03.980 --> 12:05.740 but there is something that they're trying to hide. 12:06.230 --> 12:08.720 And we have to wonder if that's what it is. 12:09.380 --> 12:11.140 And it makes me feel terrible to say that, 12:11.240 --> 12:12.640 but it's just the truth. 12:13.260 --> 12:15.960 Yeah, I think there's only three worlds 12:15.960 --> 12:16.980 where that's the case. 12:18.080 --> 12:20.300 One world is in which she's not unhappy 12:20.300 --> 12:21.000 that it happened. 12:21.440 --> 12:24.700 Another world is in which she's in on it. 12:25.500 --> 12:27.520 And another world is in which she's pressured 12:27.520 --> 12:30.120 to not say anything by people we can't say. 12:30.960 --> 12:33.440 And all of which have massive implications. 12:34.900 --> 12:35.340 But... 12:35.340 --> 12:36.900 Which is almost my exact hypothesis 12:36.900 --> 12:38.300 about Trump, by the way. 12:39.440 --> 12:39.960 How so? 12:41.420 --> 12:43.840 That whether or not he's in on it, 12:44.240 --> 12:45.940 whether or not he's been an opp from the jump, 12:46.120 --> 12:47.520 whether or not he's being blackmailed 12:47.520 --> 12:49.820 or threatened, it's basically the exact same 12:49.820 --> 12:51.340 Analysis that I have for Trump 12:51.340 --> 12:53.820 when it comes to his subservience to Israel. 12:54.000 --> 12:55.160 I don't know why he's doing it, 12:55.260 --> 12:56.440 but I feel the same way. 12:57.140 --> 12:58.540 It's very, very strange. 12:58.720 --> 13:00.040 I know we're gonna talk about that today 13:00.040 --> 13:01.640 because I think, 13:02.200 --> 13:05.160 certainly the Epstein stuff is all extremely relevant. 13:05.300 --> 13:06.180 We'll talk about that, I'm sure. 13:06.360 --> 13:09.760 But like, it's a real red line for me 13:09.760 --> 13:13.620 when our men and women and service members 13:13.620 --> 13:15.640 are going to do something 13:15.640 --> 13:18.760 that's clearly completely unnecessary, in my opinion. 13:20.500 --> 13:22.680 And their lives are being played with 13:23.440 --> 13:25.280 because there's weird shit going on. 13:25.480 --> 13:29.560 That's just, it's not acceptable in any way. 13:29.560 --> 13:32.320 It's just not, like I've really, 13:32.800 --> 13:35.080 I'll admit, like I've been really angry about it 13:35.080 --> 13:38.640 since it broke out and I haven't been completely reasonable 13:38.640 --> 13:41.480 sometimes, but like that kind of is what it is. 13:42.060 --> 13:45.380 Yeah, well, I'm gonna drop your riff 13:45.380 --> 13:47.920 about this topic that I saw go viral a couple of days ago. 13:48.620 --> 13:50.340 Yeah, man, I couldn't agree more. 13:50.800 --> 13:52.040 I don't know how old you are. 13:52.160 --> 13:53.460 I think you're quite a bit younger than me, 13:53.520 --> 13:55.220 but I'm sure you were alive 13:55.220 --> 13:57.660 during the 9-11 Iraq War, right? 13:58.520 --> 14:00.800 9-11 ist einer meiner ersten, 14:00.800 --> 14:03.500 wie ich das alles erinnern kann, 14:04.320 --> 14:06.160 dass ich das ganze Zeit erinnern kann 14:06.160 --> 14:08.080 und wie ich die Erinnerungen fühlte. 14:08.200 --> 14:12.240 Ich war in der 3. Welt, ich glaube, ich war 8 Jahre alt. 14:13.040 --> 14:14.540 Und ich erinnere einfach alles, 14:14.740 --> 14:15.900 dass ich das ganze Zeit erinnern kann, 14:16.240 --> 14:17.880 zu Hause zu sehen und alles auf der TV. 14:18.980 --> 14:20.980 Man kann es nicht komplett verarschen, 14:21.000 --> 14:25.500 als ein 8-Jähriger, aber es war so visceral. 14:26.100 --> 14:28.180 Und wir wussten, wer in diesen Täuren ist. 14:28.180 --> 14:29.320 Ich bin von diesem Teil der Welt. 14:29.400 --> 14:31.360 Ich bin ein Stück weit von wo die Täure war. 14:31.500 --> 14:33.540 Jetzt war ich von Südjürgen, um klar zu sein. 14:33.760 --> 14:35.560 Aber wir hatten ein paar Leute in der Stadt, 14:35.560 --> 14:36.540 die in dieser Täure sind. 14:36.540 --> 14:38.480 Aber es war so real, und es war zu Hause. 14:41.160 --> 14:43.580 Aber sogar ein 8-Jähriger wusste mir, 14:44.100 --> 14:45.780 dass das Welt einfach geändert hat. 14:46.040 --> 14:47.820 Was mein Verständnis von dem Welt war, 14:47.920 --> 14:49.580 und es war wahrscheinlich bei 0, 14:50.160 --> 14:54.180 dann zumindest, oder die 0.1%, die ich wusste, war weg. 14:55.540 --> 14:57.560 Also, deine Generation hat mir Hoffnung, 14:57.580 --> 14:59.220 weil für mich, 14:59.600 --> 15:00.960 die Erinnerung, die du beschreibst, 15:01.040 --> 15:02.800 war für mich der erste Irakwar. 15:04.040 --> 15:09.880 Das war basically nur eine CNN-led TV-War, 15:10.260 --> 15:11.580 in der wir einfach in dort waren. 15:12.220 --> 15:14.060 Wir brachten, wir waren raus, 15:14.280 --> 15:15.320 und dann, all of a sudden, 15:15.500 --> 15:16.880 wir hatten einen Vietnam-Syndrom, 15:16.900 --> 15:18.300 und wir waren jetzt der Empire der Welt, 15:18.320 --> 15:19.140 und wir konnten jemanden übernehmen. 15:20.100 --> 15:21.020 Aber ich war zu jung, 15:21.120 --> 15:21.680 um das dann wirklich zu erkennen, 15:22.260 --> 15:24.460 weil ich in 0,1% war. 15:24.680 --> 15:29.060 In 0,1% war ich jemals ein Adolpferd, 15:29.060 --> 15:29.760 ich glaube, ich war 18, 15:31.300 --> 15:32.880 und es war einfach ... 15:34.340 --> 15:36.240 Ich wusste, dass es die Welt geändert wird, 15:36.500 --> 15:39.380 aber ich hatte wirklich keine Kapazität, 15:39.540 --> 15:41.940 um zu übernehmen, wie dramatisch das Veränderung wäre, 15:42.300 --> 15:44.360 und wie permanent das Veränderung wäre. 15:44.460 --> 15:45.360 Und ich denke, das ist die Sache, 15:45.360 --> 15:46.160 die es am meisten betrifft. 15:46.780 --> 15:49.460 Es ist so, wie mit der Covid-Error. 15:49.780 --> 15:51.240 Ja, ich weiß, dass es noch viele Leute 15:51.240 --> 15:52.520 mit Maschenschaften betrifft, 15:52.540 --> 15:54.240 aber für die meisten scheint es, 15:54.260 --> 15:54.860 als ob wir aufgeräumt sind. 15:55.180 --> 15:55.820 Und es ist noch so, 15:56.080 --> 15:57.760 dass die Veränderung, 15:57.860 --> 16:00.360 die Veränderung, die kleine Veränderungen 16:00.360 --> 16:01.500 durch die Lockdowns gesetzt hat. 16:01.500 --> 16:02.720 Wir werden das nie übernehmen. 16:02.920 --> 16:03.300 Für sicher. 16:03.820 --> 16:06.020 Und wir haben ein paar Prozent der Bevölkerung, 16:06.020 --> 16:07.000 die jetzt die Hypochondrierex hat, 16:07.040 --> 16:07.860 weil es so ist. 16:09.260 --> 16:12.100 Aber 9,11 war nur so ein größter Inflectionpunkt. 16:12.140 --> 16:13.480 Ich meine, von der TSA 16:13.480 --> 16:15.240 bis zu den ganzen Spiegel-Apparatisten, 16:15.320 --> 16:16.380 die wir gegen uns betroffen haben, 16:16.520 --> 16:18.320 bis zu den kompleten Demolitionen 16:18.320 --> 16:19.340 unserer privaten Rechts. 16:19.480 --> 16:20.280 Und nicht wirklich, 16:20.280 --> 16:20.880 ich bin wirklich, wie, 16:21.400 --> 16:23.120 pretending to respect our rights anymore. 16:23.700 --> 16:24.440 Und was, 16:24.820 --> 16:26.660 the reason I said that your generation gives me hope 16:26.660 --> 16:28.580 is that because you were only eight at that point, 16:29.120 --> 16:31.700 the fact that you still recognize what a shift that was, 16:32.140 --> 16:33.800 and the fact that you said that you're angry 16:33.800 --> 16:34.820 about the Iran war, 16:35.380 --> 16:36.720 like that's what we need more of. 16:36.800 --> 16:39.600 I think that we are rife with apathy. 16:40.120 --> 16:41.240 Like people don't care enough. 16:41.380 --> 16:42.500 People aren't angry enough. 16:43.460 --> 16:44.820 I guess it's easy for me to say, 16:44.900 --> 16:47.200 since I'm kind of known for being angry 16:47.200 --> 16:47.940 as hell all the time, 16:47.940 --> 16:50.840 but like, I just don't know why people aren't more angry men. 16:51.220 --> 16:52.440 This is such a big deal. 16:52.920 --> 16:54.780 And people, I feel like people have been 16:54.780 --> 16:55.660 dispirited or something. 16:56.360 --> 16:57.820 Well, I think part of it is, 16:58.040 --> 16:59.720 A, a guy like you gets it 16:59.720 --> 17:01.520 because you actually look at this stuff. 17:01.700 --> 17:03.320 You educate yourself on things. 17:03.540 --> 17:05.120 It's a part of what you do for a living. 17:05.780 --> 17:07.400 And I'd like to think me too. 17:08.120 --> 17:10.400 You know, as far as like looking into the right things 17:10.400 --> 17:12.140 and learning things as they really are. 17:12.260 --> 17:13.120 And then the other part 17:13.120 --> 17:14.860 that I'll speak at least for myself on 17:15.540 --> 17:20.460 is I have had the privilege of becoming friends with 17:20.460 --> 17:24.360 and having on my show a lot of the baddest ass tier one 17:24.360 --> 17:26.960 operators from that entire GY era. 17:28.320 --> 17:30.060 And I love those guys. 17:30.500 --> 17:31.580 And I've always said this, 17:31.640 --> 17:33.300 even before I brought those guys on the show, 17:33.400 --> 17:36.000 I never blamed the people who were sent there 17:36.000 --> 17:37.780 by the suits in DC. 17:38.000 --> 17:39.080 That is not their fault. 17:39.740 --> 17:40.880 It is not their fault, 17:41.000 --> 17:41.980 especially back then 17:41.980 --> 17:43.540 when you didn't have as much access, 17:43.800 --> 17:44.560 you didn't have social media, 17:44.560 --> 17:45.940 you didn't have as much access to information. 17:46.240 --> 17:48.920 They didn't know things like they know today, 17:49.200 --> 17:50.760 like our service members may know 17:50.760 --> 17:52.100 with what they're doing right now. 17:53.340 --> 17:56.860 And, you know, to hear all these guys look back 17:56.860 --> 17:59.160 on the GY era 17:59.160 --> 18:01.900 and almost consistently to a man, 18:02.600 --> 18:04.640 even if there were some things where it's like, 18:04.740 --> 18:06.920 yes, we took out bad guys here, there and there. 18:07.040 --> 18:08.520 And like, yes, that was objectively good, 18:08.640 --> 18:10.180 which, you know, certainly you can find that too. 18:10.620 --> 18:11.500 Almost to a man, 18:11.620 --> 18:14.160 it's like a scale where over time 18:14.160 --> 18:16.240 they just kind of throughout that era 18:16.240 --> 18:17.540 slipped down farther and farther 18:17.540 --> 18:19.100 and realized sometimes it took them 18:19.100 --> 18:20.820 getting out of the military to realize, 18:21.000 --> 18:22.120 like, wait a minute, what the fuck? 18:23.220 --> 18:24.340 What were we doing? 18:24.760 --> 18:27.440 Like, that's, that shit was kind of crazy, right? 18:27.680 --> 18:29.880 You know, it was fine to go do something 18:29.880 --> 18:30.800 after 9.11. 18:31.180 --> 18:32.160 Okay, cool. 18:32.780 --> 18:35.660 You know, you see bin Laden. 18:36.860 --> 18:38.680 Obviously, there was a lot more of this attack, 18:38.900 --> 18:39.520 for sure, 18:39.680 --> 18:42.480 but you see bin Laden at least be behind it 18:42.480 --> 18:44.320 and he's hiding in Afghanistan, 18:44.520 --> 18:47.780 so you wanna go punish the people who are protecting him. 18:48.400 --> 18:49.220 Okay, cool. 18:50.260 --> 18:51.520 That has nothing to do with Iraq. 18:52.580 --> 18:54.400 That has nothing to do with all the things 18:54.400 --> 18:57.160 that came after it, you know, and... 18:57.160 --> 18:58.360 Or Libya or Syria. 18:58.560 --> 19:01.420 Or exactly, all these regime changes 19:01.420 --> 19:04.300 and kind of neocon strategies 19:04.300 --> 19:07.500 that don't work again and again and again 19:07.500 --> 19:09.200 and again, yet we keep doing it. 19:09.200 --> 19:15.820 And to see people try to get behind this latest strike 19:15.820 --> 19:21.160 and to see with a guy like Trump looking at it objectively, 19:22.280 --> 19:25.240 at least from a foreign policy standpoint, 19:26.480 --> 19:30.740 the coalition of people that most got behind him 19:30.740 --> 19:32.500 to propel him into office, 19:34.500 --> 19:37.160 includes people from the civilian world 19:37.620 --> 19:39.100 and the military world 19:39.100 --> 19:40.900 and then also like the strategy world, 19:41.000 --> 19:42.120 which is a part of the civilian world, 19:43.740 --> 19:47.100 who advocated against us making all these same mistakes. 19:47.360 --> 19:50.860 Yet, guys with three fucking listeners, 19:51.260 --> 19:54.940 like Marc Levin, are the ones that people... 19:54.940 --> 19:56.760 And obviously, I've been picking on Marc a lot 19:56.760 --> 19:58.480 just because he's so much fun. 19:59.140 --> 20:03.320 But, you know, like, they're the guys you listen to. 20:03.600 --> 20:04.860 Like, this is retardville. 20:05.440 --> 20:07.780 He actually said that, too. 20:07.900 --> 20:10.600 He's like in the conversation with Joe Kent, 20:10.660 --> 20:11.480 which I'll run a clip of. 20:12.720 --> 20:15.460 Marc Levin actually said... 20:15.460 --> 20:17.800 Like, Joe Kent was basically critiquing the fact 20:17.800 --> 20:19.560 that Donald Trump was being influenced, 20:19.980 --> 20:23.180 not just by Israeli advisors in the White House, 20:23.280 --> 20:26.440 but also the kind of pro-Zionist media sphere. 20:27.060 --> 20:27.380 And he... 20:27.380 --> 20:30.220 Pay attention, Joe! 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link, Cove, pure.com slash Liberty, 21:39.500 --> 21:42.120 that's Cove, pure.com slash Liberty. 21:42.280 --> 21:43.200 Get it today. 21:43.340 --> 21:44.460 Yeah, you know it, you know what happened. 21:45.420 --> 21:47.500 And Mark Levin was one of those voices 21:48.760 --> 21:50.300 and Joe Kent was like, yeah, 21:50.600 --> 21:52.360 like you have an impact on him. 21:52.540 --> 21:55.080 And that's, I think that's the thing that, 21:55.260 --> 21:57.420 you know, real ride or die Trump supporters 21:57.420 --> 21:58.740 have a hard time grappling with 21:58.740 --> 22:00.840 or maybe they don't because they're just like Trump. 22:02.960 --> 22:06.420 But if you're influenced at all by someone like Mark Levin, 22:06.840 --> 22:08.220 you're totally unfit for office. 22:08.940 --> 22:10.240 Like, that's just a fact. 22:11.060 --> 22:11.900 That's just a fact. 22:12.420 --> 22:14.360 And he said that, you know, 22:14.540 --> 22:16.180 Trump listens to him every Saturday and Sunday. 22:16.860 --> 22:18.800 I'm like, you couldn't pay me enough money. 22:19.480 --> 22:19.740 Crazy. 22:20.600 --> 22:23.760 Look, I'm all for hearing a spectrum of ideas. 22:24.160 --> 22:27.360 I've had people on my show that I'm sure you loathe. 22:27.960 --> 22:32.380 That means I'm doing my job and I care a lot about that. 22:32.660 --> 22:33.220 I'm a human. 22:33.960 --> 22:35.760 Sometimes there'll be a bias on something. 22:35.980 --> 22:37.320 I've admitted with this Iran war, 22:37.380 --> 22:39.660 I have a bias and I make no apologies about that. 22:40.120 --> 22:43.360 But for the most part, 99% of the time, 22:43.480 --> 22:46.300 I am extremely open to all ideas 22:46.300 --> 22:49.340 and letting the court of public opinion win. 22:49.540 --> 22:53.240 That said, the court of public opinion 22:53.240 --> 22:57.340 is very, very clear on like the stanz as a song. 22:57.340 --> 23:00.560 So, someone like Mark Levin is the definition of a has been. 23:01.300 --> 23:03.180 The percentage of people that agree with him 23:03.180 --> 23:04.420 from either side of the spectrum, 23:04.540 --> 23:06.560 regardless of whether they're liberal or conservative, 23:06.820 --> 23:08.060 is extremely low. 23:08.700 --> 23:10.680 And Trump coming out and trying to say like, 23:10.840 --> 23:12.760 oh, I got 100% support in the pot. 23:12.980 --> 23:14.660 Like, the fuck are you talking? 23:15.300 --> 23:16.840 Walk out on the street, bro. 23:17.460 --> 23:17.820 I know. 23:19.120 --> 23:21.480 I've talked to a few people that are like, 23:21.640 --> 23:23.460 well, you know, he's in Iran in three weeks. 23:23.460 --> 23:28.300 But like, even when I was at my parents place a couple weeks ago 23:28.300 --> 23:30.600 and I was literally talking with Boomers 23:32.600 --> 23:35.340 and eight out of 10 Boomers, I talked with were like, 23:35.400 --> 23:36.980 yo, what the fuck are we doing here? 23:37.360 --> 23:37.660 All right, good. 23:38.120 --> 23:40.820 Including like multiple Jewish people as well. 23:40.900 --> 23:42.700 We were like, what the fuck are we doing? 23:43.340 --> 23:44.660 And that's another problem now, 23:44.720 --> 23:47.200 because the people like the Mark Levin's 23:47.200 --> 23:49.580 then suddenly declare it, 23:49.600 --> 23:51.220 whether they know they're doing it or not. 23:51.340 --> 23:53.300 They're like, oh, we speak for all Jewish people 23:53.300 --> 23:55.340 and stuff in America, the fuck you do. 23:55.940 --> 23:56.820 You know what I mean? 23:56.940 --> 23:58.040 Just like Netanyahu does. 23:58.540 --> 23:59.540 And this is crazy. 23:59.840 --> 24:01.480 Like, we got to divorce those two things. 24:01.860 --> 24:03.940 I've been very, very adamant about that 24:03.940 --> 24:07.480 because I see where that'll go, if we don't. 24:07.680 --> 24:08.180 It's so dangerous. 24:08.800 --> 24:10.020 Yeah, and the actions, 24:10.820 --> 24:12.760 there is no government in the world, 24:12.920 --> 24:14.380 not the least of which my own, 24:14.940 --> 24:18.080 that should ever be above criticism. 24:18.420 --> 24:19.780 Like, get the fuck out of here. 24:19.840 --> 24:20.680 Are you kidding me? 24:21.100 --> 24:22.600 I'll criticize whoever I want. 24:23.140 --> 24:26.200 And like, I live in a country where George Bush 24:26.200 --> 24:28.020 and Dick Cheney once ran this place. 24:28.140 --> 24:30.100 You think I like that shit looking back? 24:30.240 --> 24:30.560 No. 24:31.520 --> 24:33.440 Like, when I look at countries around the world 24:33.440 --> 24:35.900 who call them war criminals, I say, I accept your terms. 24:37.100 --> 24:37.120 Right. 24:37.360 --> 24:39.040 Like, why is this so hard? 24:39.500 --> 24:40.500 But I mean, it's like, 24:41.040 --> 24:43.120 if you opposed an action of Obama 24:43.480 --> 24:45.140 and they're like, why are you so racist? 24:45.440 --> 24:46.780 I mean, I guess they kind of did do that, 24:46.860 --> 24:49.460 but this is so extreme where it's like, 24:49.680 --> 24:51.420 this is mass death and destruction 24:52.120 --> 24:54.100 and their argument is if you oppose it, 24:54.220 --> 24:57.840 then you hate our ethnicity slash religion 24:58.180 --> 24:59.820 and that's always a moving target too. 25:00.280 --> 25:01.840 I think Tucker Carlson's done a really good job 25:01.840 --> 25:04.900 of highlighting that and I really appreciated it. 25:04.980 --> 25:07.320 And of course, he's being absolutely dragged 25:07.320 --> 25:08.800 through the mud mercilessly for it, 25:08.920 --> 25:10.160 but it's really important 25:10.160 --> 25:12.040 that the highest profile voices 25:12.600 --> 25:14.880 are leading the charge on some of these issues 25:14.880 --> 25:16.680 because I really believe that like, 25:16.940 --> 25:18.980 the future of humanity hangs in the balance 25:18.980 --> 25:20.300 as a consequence of that paradigm 25:20.300 --> 25:23.140 that if you're to be shamed 25:23.140 --> 25:25.640 into supporting a fledgling, 25:26.520 --> 25:28.060 really demonic empire, 25:28.360 --> 25:30.640 which is what Israel has become to its neighbors, 25:31.780 --> 25:33.920 well then how are we to oppose it? 25:34.640 --> 25:36.100 Like, I don't know how we're going to do that. 25:36.160 --> 25:38.060 We have to take a stand at some point 25:38.620 --> 25:40.680 and then you add into the mix 25:40.680 --> 25:43.020 the subservience that our own government has with 25:43.540 --> 25:46.740 Israeli influence on a multitude of layers. 25:47.300 --> 25:50.720 It's just such a deep problem 25:50.720 --> 25:55.000 and honestly, it's one that I'm very late to the game on. 25:55.440 --> 26:00.120 I mean, I ignored this all the way up until probably 2020, 26:02.400 --> 26:03.980 and I feel like a lot of people 26:03.980 --> 26:05.580 are probably in my camp on that, 26:06.140 --> 26:10.040 but it really sucks that even though I'm late to it, 26:10.320 --> 26:12.700 I still get called all of these terrible things 26:12.700 --> 26:14.800 and I always couch it in the same way Tucker Carlson does, 26:15.300 --> 26:17.740 this is love man, this is about peace, this is about harmony. 26:18.140 --> 26:19.540 This is not about hating anybody 26:19.540 --> 26:21.600 over immutable characteristics or religion 26:21.600 --> 26:22.420 or anything like that, 26:22.660 --> 26:24.540 but you still can't do anything about it. 26:24.640 --> 26:25.540 And the Mark Levin's of the world 26:25.540 --> 26:28.580 are the ones that have created that paradigm for decades. 26:28.920 --> 26:30.920 And I guess I should, to spin it optimistically, 26:31.120 --> 26:32.520 it does appear as if that's falling, 26:32.920 --> 26:34.920 that we can now speak freely about this. 26:34.980 --> 26:35.860 Do you feel as if it's shifted? 26:36.840 --> 26:38.620 I definitely think there's a shift 26:38.620 --> 26:41.380 because I have a lot of thoughts here. 26:41.580 --> 26:43.020 I mean, it's a complicated- 26:43.020 --> 26:44.260 Sorry, I went off for a long time. 26:44.260 --> 26:45.580 No, no, no, that was good. 26:45.740 --> 26:47.700 Like it's just a complicated- 26:49.100 --> 26:53.180 It's one of those things where I can see 30,000 feet in the air, 26:53.380 --> 26:55.180 some of the patterns that are happening here, 26:55.280 --> 26:57.220 but then like make sense in my head, 26:57.300 --> 26:58.960 but then putting it properly into words, 26:59.020 --> 26:59.920 I have a little trouble with. 27:00.080 --> 27:02.780 But I do completely agree on your last point there 27:02.780 --> 27:04.840 that the paradigm is shifting on that 27:04.840 --> 27:09.860 with people being afraid to say certain things or whatever. 27:10.120 --> 27:10.980 I think that's nuts. 27:11.520 --> 27:13.800 I think with that also comes an opportunity 27:13.800 --> 27:17.300 to say things like they are. 27:18.780 --> 27:21.000 Obviously we talked earlier in this conversation 27:21.000 --> 27:23.460 about the failures in the past with regime change and stuff. 27:23.620 --> 27:26.080 So that's something that I'm very hesitant on 27:26.080 --> 27:28.120 and certainly don't support the idea 27:28.120 --> 27:30.660 of just going to do that because it doesn't work. 27:31.740 --> 27:34.720 And so, I mean, I think I've been on the record with that 27:34.720 --> 27:37.320 since at least Episode 129 with Jim Lawler 27:37.320 --> 27:39.980 where I was like, I don't know if I said it 27:39.980 --> 27:40.860 in that episode or not, 27:40.960 --> 27:42.520 but like that goes way back to like 2022 27:42.520 --> 27:45.680 where I'm like, I would love to see the people of Iran 27:46.280 --> 27:47.600 overthrow their government. 27:47.740 --> 27:48.760 It's a horrible government. 27:49.080 --> 27:52.740 They kill their people, they are a terrorist regime. 27:52.980 --> 27:54.800 They're all these things, that's all true. 27:55.660 --> 27:57.580 But the world is not this simple 27:57.580 --> 28:00.200 that like you can just go in and do it 28:00.200 --> 28:02.540 because that has third, fourth, fifth, 28:02.720 --> 28:03.900 sixth, 10th order effects 28:03.900 --> 28:06.680 and you end up being the evil empire 28:07.160 --> 28:10.060 because the power vacuum that happens afterwards 28:10.060 --> 28:12.120 makes things worse in most cases 28:12.120 --> 28:14.260 and the people feel like their sovereignty 28:14.260 --> 28:17.060 and their ability to self-determination in this case 28:17.060 --> 28:19.140 it would be Iran if we went in and changed the regime 28:19.700 --> 28:23.220 would be totally violated a couple of years later 28:23.220 --> 28:25.240 and they would be even more anti-America 28:25.240 --> 28:26.380 than they were in the first place 28:26.380 --> 28:27.680 and I would understand why, 28:27.860 --> 28:29.440 like I don't know why this is a hard concept. 28:29.980 --> 28:31.000 And so I wondered, 28:34.580 --> 28:37.380 why I hadn't called for the same thing in Israel? 28:38.600 --> 28:40.480 I was wondering that a few weeks ago, so I did. 28:41.600 --> 28:43.440 I said, just like I've called on the Iranian people 28:43.440 --> 28:44.420 to overthrow their own regime, 28:44.600 --> 28:46.560 I'm not gonna overthrow your fucking regime in Israel, 28:46.760 --> 28:48.400 I'm not gonna overthrow your regime in ... 28:48.400 --> 28:49.760 I mean, I'm not gonna do shit, 28:49.860 --> 28:50.740 but like if it were up to me, 28:51.140 --> 28:52.500 I wouldn't here in America, 28:52.720 --> 28:55.380 but I think you guys should do that, 100%. 28:55.380 --> 28:57.000 Because also people forget 28:57.660 --> 29:00.960 in the months leading up to October 7th, 29:00.960 --> 29:02.560 and this is a credit 29:02.560 --> 29:04.840 to a lot of people living in Israel right now, 29:04.900 --> 29:05.660 this is not talked about. 29:06.420 --> 29:09.240 Many people in that country were in the streets 29:09.660 --> 29:11.480 and they were dangerously close 29:11.480 --> 29:13.040 to having a constitutional crisis 29:13.040 --> 29:14.580 where the government would be overthrown 29:14.580 --> 29:15.840 because the Netanyahu government 29:15.840 --> 29:19.200 in a country that has multiple different parties, 29:19.340 --> 29:19.900 not two parties, 29:20.420 --> 29:22.420 they win with a minority percent 29:22.420 --> 29:25.500 of hardcore right-wing Zionists. 29:25.500 --> 29:27.880 There are a lot of people that don't like him. 29:28.440 --> 29:30.420 There are a lot of people that don't support that. 29:30.680 --> 29:32.740 And then when he tried to take control of the courts, 29:32.960 --> 29:34.580 literally in the summer of 2023, 29:34.860 --> 29:36.280 they were like, yo, fuck this guy. 29:36.760 --> 29:39.400 So I'm like, yo, now your government 29:39.400 --> 29:41.900 is responsible for killing a fuck ton of people. 29:42.440 --> 29:44.560 They're basically doing a modern day 29:44.560 --> 29:46.960 Liebenschrom right now in Lebanon. 29:47.260 --> 29:49.140 They're taking land for living space. 29:49.480 --> 29:52.180 I mean, literally like Adolf Hitler wrote about that. 29:52.380 --> 29:53.180 They're doing it, 29:53.180 --> 29:56.260 like Smotridge is advocating for the borders to change 29:56.260 --> 29:57.540 and to take parts of Lebanon 29:57.540 --> 29:59.220 because he's always advocated 29:59.220 --> 30:01.640 for a greater Israel kind of project. 30:01.780 --> 30:03.100 Like, that's fucking crazy. 30:03.320 --> 30:05.380 So let's make some noise people. 30:05.600 --> 30:06.460 Like, let's get in the streets 30:06.460 --> 30:08.100 and be like, yo, if we're not behind this, 30:08.180 --> 30:10.080 we're not behind this, you know? 30:10.420 --> 30:13.040 And so the same things I say to Iran, 30:13.420 --> 30:15.280 whose government I have zero love for, 30:15.420 --> 30:16.700 if they were dead yesterday, 30:16.720 --> 30:18.680 yesterday that wouldn't be soon enough, 30:19.060 --> 30:21.500 I will say to the Israeli government as well. 30:21.500 --> 30:23.180 I don't make a distinction here. 30:23.980 --> 30:24.800 You know, it's like, 30:25.280 --> 30:27.560 you know, you're watching these rockets go back and forth. 30:27.840 --> 30:29.720 And I don't like any of the civilian stuff. 30:29.880 --> 30:31.320 But when it comes to the government officials, 30:31.520 --> 30:33.780 it's like me watching a Cowboys Giants game. 30:33.920 --> 30:35.260 I'm rooting for the fucking asteroid. 30:36.020 --> 30:36.560 You know what I mean? 30:37.260 --> 30:40.020 Like, it's it's not, there's no, it's like, 30:40.100 --> 30:41.320 well, they suck and they suck. 30:42.040 --> 30:42.820 That's where I'm at. 30:43.040 --> 30:44.300 I'm very, very cynical on it. 30:44.460 --> 30:46.560 It's like the Boston Celtics versus Sacramento Kings 30:46.560 --> 30:47.900 for me as a Lakers for you. 30:48.440 --> 30:49.220 Yeah, right. 30:49.220 --> 30:51.420 Yeah, look, and I agree with you. 30:51.560 --> 30:55.100 I mean, I think your analysis as to why you relate on that 30:55.100 --> 31:00.580 is this kind of like just deep seated indoctrination 31:00.580 --> 31:01.620 that we all went through, 31:02.160 --> 31:04.320 that because of the Holocaust we're all, 31:04.520 --> 31:08.660 we are all not consciously driven to do this, 31:08.740 --> 31:09.920 but subconsciously you're just, 31:10.180 --> 31:12.300 you're going to give additional grace 31:12.300 --> 31:15.080 that you would never give to some Islamic nation 31:15.080 --> 31:18.020 that had done what Israel has done over the past three years. 31:18.020 --> 31:22.340 No one would be giving grace if this was Yemen, 31:22.820 --> 31:25.000 now granted they don't have any capacity to do what Israel's doing, 31:25.080 --> 31:27.480 but if Yemen was doing it to the Saudis or whatever, 31:28.160 --> 31:30.060 everyone would be in an uproar, 31:30.320 --> 31:33.400 but because it's a Jewish state as they call it, 31:33.640 --> 31:36.620 everyone's very, very hesitant to say anything about it. 31:37.120 --> 31:40.300 And oftentimes, this is another thing that people do, 31:40.380 --> 31:41.560 they try and couch their criticism 31:41.560 --> 31:44.440 as deep concern for the Jewish people. 31:44.440 --> 31:47.620 And so I want to just preface this by saying, 31:48.000 --> 31:49.160 the reason I oppose this war 31:49.160 --> 31:51.180 is not because of deep concern for the Jewish people, 31:51.300 --> 31:54.100 it's because of deep concern for humanity, period and peace. 31:55.940 --> 31:57.560 But I will also say, 31:57.840 --> 31:59.640 now that I've made that disclaimer, 32:00.540 --> 32:03.480 I am very, very concerned for the people of Israel 32:03.480 --> 32:05.520 and I'm also very concerned for the people of Iran 32:05.520 --> 32:07.760 in that I think that there's a real chance 32:07.760 --> 32:09.320 that this boils over into something 32:09.320 --> 32:11.320 that literally cannot be stopped, 32:11.320 --> 32:12.620 like totally out of control. 32:13.060 --> 32:13.360 I agree. 32:14.080 --> 32:16.420 Hundreds of thousands of people die, maybe more. 32:17.280 --> 32:19.560 And it could endanger the entire world. 32:20.060 --> 32:21.500 And I don't think I'm overstating that. 32:21.660 --> 32:24.020 I mean, what we're doing right now is so perilous. 32:24.500 --> 32:26.100 You have the Strait of Hormuz, 32:26.200 --> 32:27.520 which is responsible for somewhere 32:27.520 --> 32:30.180 in between 20 and 30% of global oil transit. 32:31.100 --> 32:33.680 And allegedly we are currently blocking, 32:34.460 --> 32:39.020 because the Iranians are willing to allow for oil 32:39.420 --> 32:40.840 to be traded in the Uon 32:40.840 --> 32:42.480 to go through the Strait right now. 32:42.900 --> 32:44.240 But any oil being traded in the U.S. dollar, 32:44.440 --> 32:45.220 they're like, get fucked. 32:45.700 --> 32:47.240 Like they are attacking the petrodollar. 32:47.560 --> 32:48.820 They are going straight for the Jaguar 32:48.820 --> 32:51.180 because for them it's an existential war 32:51.180 --> 32:51.840 and I don't blame them. 32:52.260 --> 32:54.400 But what I've heard now is that allegedly 32:54.400 --> 32:56.620 there are reports, it hasn't been verified 32:56.620 --> 32:59.460 that ships are being attacked that are Russian 32:59.840 --> 33:02.000 and that the Chinese ships have been stopped 33:02.000 --> 33:03.560 by American military. 33:03.880 --> 33:05.660 I don't know if that's accurate, so, you know. 33:06.280 --> 33:08.780 But if that turns out to be true, 33:09.360 --> 33:11.620 I mean, this is an escalation on a scale that's crazy. 33:11.880 --> 33:13.700 And then just yesterday there was a report 33:13.700 --> 33:15.940 that Putin was gonna send oil 33:16.280 --> 33:18.060 to try and save the Cuban people 33:18.060 --> 33:19.520 who have been blockaded 33:19.520 --> 33:23.100 and haven't had any power for a big chunk 33:23.100 --> 33:24.220 of a couple months now. 33:24.460 --> 33:25.700 And like they're dying, it's terrible. 33:27.400 --> 33:30.240 And there's talk about how Trump needs 33:30.240 --> 33:34.460 to stand up to Putin and sink an oil freighter 33:34.460 --> 33:37.900 from Putin to like a humanitarian freighter to Cuba. 33:38.080 --> 33:39.340 And I'm like, oh man, 33:39.720 --> 33:42.380 there's just such moral degradation across the board 33:42.380 --> 33:44.920 and it sucks because I think, 33:45.160 --> 33:46.420 even though I've been a libertarian forever 33:46.420 --> 33:48.920 and I've always really not loved my government, 33:49.420 --> 33:50.680 I have still always felt 33:50.680 --> 33:52.580 as if America was clearly the good guys 33:52.960 --> 33:54.620 and I'm really feeling like we're not. 33:55.080 --> 33:59.380 It's a valid question that I've heard a lot of people ask. 33:59.960 --> 34:02.980 And this is where, this is one of those moments 34:02.980 --> 34:06.420 where I try to pull everyone back from the cliff 34:06.980 --> 34:08.940 and maybe some people won't like me for doing that, 34:09.040 --> 34:10.300 but here's how I look at that. 34:10.780 --> 34:13.020 When you say are we the good guys, 34:14.040 --> 34:17.220 it can easily then be interpreted to a cancer 34:17.220 --> 34:20.200 of the entire system rather than a cancer of the few, 34:20.560 --> 34:23.680 a cancer of people who are in power positions 34:24.200 --> 34:25.600 across many places, by the way, 34:25.740 --> 34:26.480 in the United States, 34:26.600 --> 34:29.180 out of our 330 million people to actually live here 34:29.180 --> 34:31.640 who have decided to take the reins 34:31.640 --> 34:34.060 and take control, in many cases unelekted, by the way, 34:34.420 --> 34:36.420 and do things that are inherently evil, 34:36.500 --> 34:38.920 which include evil here and around the world. 34:39.400 --> 34:41.080 Secondly, I would say, 34:42.660 --> 34:45.100 to be self-critical on my own, 34:45.780 --> 34:47.440 listen, you talk a few minutes ago 34:47.440 --> 34:49.560 about your worldview and when you were seeing things, 34:50.320 --> 34:52.900 I think I was late to the game on so many fucking things. 34:53.000 --> 34:54.720 I think a lot of this has to do with like, 34:55.440 --> 34:57.380 one of the downsides being an only child, 34:57.540 --> 34:58.620 there's a lot of upsides with that, 34:58.700 --> 34:59.980 but one of the downsides is like, 34:59.980 --> 35:02.560 you have to try to figure some shit out for yourself 35:02.560 --> 35:03.800 so you learn that skill, 35:04.360 --> 35:07.520 but then maybe you're molded by the things 35:07.520 --> 35:10.640 that are just kind of programmed around you 35:10.640 --> 35:13.360 and you start to be like, ah, it's just how things are, 35:13.700 --> 35:14.920 you know, like it's what it is. 35:15.140 --> 35:17.200 Oh, kids are getting fucking 97 vaccines 35:17.200 --> 35:19.020 the second day after they're born, that makes sense. 35:19.420 --> 35:20.440 That used to make sense to me. 35:20.600 --> 35:22.940 I don't know why, I couldn't tell you why, 35:23.520 --> 35:25.640 but like run the tape, six years ago, 35:25.740 --> 35:27.440 that made sense to me, you know, 35:27.520 --> 35:29.760 so there's like things that I'm catching up on, 35:29.760 --> 35:31.040 but one of these things, 35:32.280 --> 35:34.920 you know, especially over the past year and a half, 35:35.040 --> 35:38.380 is where I roll with this question and ask myself, 35:38.540 --> 35:41.120 how deep does that cancer go here? 35:41.500 --> 35:41.700 Yeah. 35:42.400 --> 35:43.880 And I think it does go deep. 35:44.040 --> 35:46.280 I don't think it's stage four and a half though, 35:46.500 --> 35:47.140 if you will. 35:47.640 --> 35:50.080 I think it's more of an aggressive stage three, 35:50.180 --> 35:51.100 which is still bad. 35:51.580 --> 35:53.940 And it's something that we have to remove from the system. 35:54.420 --> 35:56.880 The problem is where I lose hope 35:56.880 --> 35:59.660 is when you see like an outsider like Donald Trump, 35:59.820 --> 36:01.500 regardless of his political stances 36:01.500 --> 36:03.120 or like where he is on the spectrum, 36:04.220 --> 36:07.480 become or maybe always was as a Trojan horse, 36:07.880 --> 36:09.860 like an ultimate Insider. 36:10.420 --> 36:14.040 It's like, oh shit, like they're playing 5D chest up, 36:14.260 --> 36:15.620 5D chest up there 36:15.620 --> 36:18.380 and they're going to make this stage four real fast. 36:18.540 --> 36:19.920 And there is to quote the Sopranos, 36:20.020 --> 36:23.340 there is no stage five, you know, so does that kill, 36:24.420 --> 36:26.420 does that kill America 36:26.420 --> 36:29.720 and is that because we become, we are the bad guys? 36:30.900 --> 36:32.480 Well, dude, I'll match your stage. 36:32.880 --> 36:33.720 Yeah, it could, of course. 36:34.060 --> 36:36.940 And I'll match your stage four with stage 40 trillion 36:36.940 --> 36:37.680 national debt. 36:38.640 --> 36:41.080 I mean, these are, and you know, 36:41.420 --> 36:42.200 you don't know me well enough, 36:42.320 --> 36:44.040 but my background is finance actually. 36:45.720 --> 36:46.740 And, you know, 36:46.900 --> 36:49.100 you don't need to have a fucking finance background 36:49.100 --> 36:50.580 to know this 40 trillion dollars in debt, 36:50.840 --> 36:51.900 a trillion in interest alone. 36:51.900 --> 36:53.200 It's gonna go up from there 36:53.740 --> 36:54.820 and it's never coming back down. 36:55.000 --> 36:57.640 I mean, we're talking about basically consuming 36:57.640 --> 36:59.460 the entire tax revenue 36:59.460 --> 37:03.360 that we're currently taking in by 10, 15 years from now, 37:03.460 --> 37:04.320 like it could be to the point 37:04.320 --> 37:07.020 where we're literally just taxing our people 37:07.020 --> 37:07.880 to pay the interest, 37:08.060 --> 37:10.580 not including all of the necessary expenditures 37:10.580 --> 37:11.460 for everything else. 37:11.640 --> 37:13.720 I mean, we're really on the precipice. 37:14.000 --> 37:16.420 And I think that's the one thing 37:16.420 --> 37:19.360 that libertarians both get criticized too much for, 37:19.640 --> 37:21.320 but also don't get enough credit for, 37:21.320 --> 37:24.140 is that we're always fearmongering, 37:24.300 --> 37:25.240 but we're also too early. 37:25.740 --> 37:26.680 So people don't take it seriously. 37:26.960 --> 37:28.740 We become chicken little essentially, 37:29.240 --> 37:31.400 because we can see things coming so far in advance 37:31.400 --> 37:33.020 that by the time it happens, 37:33.540 --> 37:35.280 everybody says, yeah, Ron Paul was right 37:35.280 --> 37:37.260 about the real estate bubble. 37:37.440 --> 37:38.820 Ron Paul was right about the Iraq war. 37:39.040 --> 37:39.480 Ron Paul was right. 37:39.820 --> 37:42.020 But then you hear Ron Paul talking about the Iran war 37:42.560 --> 37:45.060 or talking about the dollar's death. 37:45.620 --> 37:45.820 And they're like, well, it didn't happen. 37:45.820 --> 37:46.980 He's not right this time. 37:47.420 --> 37:48.300 Exactly, exactly. 37:48.600 --> 37:49.920 So, I don't know. 37:49.920 --> 37:52.000 It's just, it's super dangerous, man. 37:52.680 --> 37:54.880 You bring up, by the way, though, 37:54.980 --> 37:57.040 this is important because this shouldn't be lost in the air. 37:57.120 --> 37:58.800 You brought up that point a few minutes ago 37:58.800 --> 37:59.980 about the Strait of Hormuz 38:00.480 --> 38:04.840 and them settling in Chinese currency over the US. 38:06.140 --> 38:09.180 Like, I mean, your finance guide, 38:09.340 --> 38:11.500 the basic understanding there is that 38:11.500 --> 38:14.140 if you are letting the bricks slowly chip away 38:14.140 --> 38:16.420 at the dollars placement in the world 38:16.420 --> 38:18.380 with every little two week, three week, 38:18.380 --> 38:19.980 six week, eight week window, 38:20.200 --> 38:22.780 we may give them with events like this for it to happen. 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40:08.740 It's a snap, exactly. 40:09.400 --> 40:11.880 So, yeah, Ron Paul hasn't been right yet, 40:12.040 --> 40:13.880 but I promise you Ron Paul is gonna be right 40:13.880 --> 40:15.940 at some point and you're not gonna like it when he is. 40:16.480 --> 40:18.400 And that's where we're playing with fire. 40:18.600 --> 40:21.520 And this is why I've become so angry 40:21.520 --> 40:22.940 at our relationship with Israel, 40:23.340 --> 40:25.680 is because even though I think what they have done 40:25.680 --> 40:27.740 is morally reprehensible when it comes to the Gazans 40:27.740 --> 40:30.620 or the, fuck, I mean so many of their neighbors, 40:30.880 --> 40:31.440 all of their neighbors. 40:33.240 --> 40:35.000 But from a more personal level 40:35.000 --> 40:37.680 as someone whose primary concern is my friends, 40:37.840 --> 40:40.820 my family, my children whenever I have them 40:41.420 --> 40:44.680 is that you're fucking with that now. 40:45.120 --> 40:46.340 Like you're jeopardizing that 40:46.340 --> 40:48.620 because if the dollar dies, 40:49.040 --> 40:50.760 yeah, sure, I've got Bitcoin and all sorts of shit 40:50.760 --> 40:51.680 that I'll probably be all right, 40:51.760 --> 40:53.380 but like that doesn't mean I'm living in a civilization 40:53.380 --> 40:56.280 that my kids will be safe and it's gonna be fucking hell. 40:56.720 --> 40:59.080 And we're doing this for no benefit to us. 40:59.460 --> 41:01.780 The Iran War has zero benefit to us 41:01.780 --> 41:03.720 and it's literally jeopardizing 41:03.720 --> 41:05.040 and expediting the death of the dollar, 41:05.120 --> 41:07.560 which sacrifices the future of our country. 41:08.000 --> 41:09.260 Sorry, I'll get off the soapbox, 41:09.260 --> 41:10.300 but it's a big fucking deal. 41:10.760 --> 41:12.160 No, it's a big fucking deal. 41:12.320 --> 41:13.040 And you know, that was, 41:14.360 --> 41:16.360 ah, that's what was crazy 41:18.280 --> 41:20.100 with the Ukraine thing, 41:20.240 --> 41:23.000 which was just, it is corrupt to the core, 41:23.160 --> 41:24.380 it's still going on. 41:24.520 --> 41:27.220 And like, I can't really find any good there. 41:27.620 --> 41:30.480 I mean, we could talk about that for like two hours. 41:30.700 --> 41:32.680 The only thing I can see 41:33.200 --> 41:35.860 that maybe some of these fucking Masters of the Universe 41:35.860 --> 41:37.440 we're trying to think ahead on 41:38.040 --> 41:40.840 was to profit off of death, 41:41.040 --> 41:44.080 which is despicable to try to protect 41:44.560 --> 41:46.320 like some of the US dollar value. 41:46.620 --> 41:48.460 And now it's even more sinister 41:48.460 --> 41:51.940 because they've essentially now taken that 41:51.940 --> 41:54.420 and basically thrown anything they did there 41:54.420 --> 41:57.020 in the fire because of what they're doing in Iran. 41:57.420 --> 41:59.180 So if you even got anything, 41:59.680 --> 42:01.780 anything out of the desecration of a war 42:01.780 --> 42:05.360 that's now cost 1.8, 1.9 million fucking casualties 42:05.860 --> 42:06.580 out there in Ukraine, 42:06.760 --> 42:08.680 you have now even given that away. 42:09.720 --> 42:11.720 So I don't, you know, 42:12.720 --> 42:13.960 and the Epstein stuff, 42:14.640 --> 42:15.600 the latest drop, 42:15.760 --> 42:18.080 just as someone who's looked at that case forever, 42:18.300 --> 42:20.640 it completely changed the paradigm for me, 42:20.720 --> 42:21.720 not just with that case, 42:21.760 --> 42:22.800 but far beyond it, 42:22.880 --> 42:23.820 and what it means, 42:24.000 --> 42:26.000 even the things that we don't know what it means yet, 42:26.080 --> 42:27.360 it's like, there's a there there 42:27.360 --> 42:29.180 and you're like, holy fucking shit. 42:29.800 --> 42:31.420 It just makes you wonder, 42:32.040 --> 42:33.820 who's really in charge here? 42:35.440 --> 42:38.360 And what the end goal is? 42:38.580 --> 42:39.060 I don't know. 42:39.240 --> 42:43.540 For me, I mean, my job is public. 42:44.220 --> 42:45.420 I've been going through it publicly. 42:45.820 --> 42:49.740 It's been everything that I thought, 42:50.360 --> 42:51.960 maybe, all right, that might make sense. 42:52.240 --> 42:54.300 No, no, no, it's just, 42:54.840 --> 42:57.100 now it's like, I don't even know if it's the other thing, 42:57.200 --> 42:59.100 but I don't know that it's this thing anymore. 43:00.080 --> 43:02.980 Well, the problem is that every time you discard a hypothesis, 43:02.980 --> 43:05.120 the one that takes its place is much darker. 43:06.000 --> 43:08.320 It's like, it just keeps getting scarier, 43:08.520 --> 43:10.140 the further down the rabbit hole I go. 43:11.520 --> 43:14.000 And yeah, I mean, that's how I've viewed Epstein 2. 43:14.200 --> 43:17.340 It's like, it's basically the secret ingredient 43:17.340 --> 43:21.420 that goes into the kind of, I don't know, 43:23.240 --> 43:25.820 the cloak that actually kind of controls everything. 43:26.080 --> 43:29.680 It's like, it's the glue that keeps it all together, maybe. 43:30.040 --> 43:31.240 I mean, we still don't know for sure, 43:31.240 --> 43:33.260 but it does look as if it plays a role. 43:34.100 --> 43:35.500 And from his, I mean, 43:35.600 --> 43:37.900 that dude was fucking, he was like money laundering 43:37.900 --> 43:40.760 and weapons trafficking and doing all sorts of wild shit. 43:41.420 --> 43:42.180 Yeah, it's really great. 43:42.980 --> 43:45.220 Actually, I wanted to ask you about this 43:45.220 --> 43:47.700 because you and I, I don't interview people 43:47.700 --> 43:49.240 as often as you do, I used to do that. 43:49.600 --> 43:50.900 I do more solo shows now, 43:50.980 --> 43:53.280 but even with my solo show, 43:53.320 --> 43:55.260 it's still very important for me to try and analyze 43:55.260 --> 43:57.700 and decide who I think is for real or not. 43:57.700 --> 44:01.080 And Joe Kent, I have come to the conclusion 44:01.080 --> 44:03.120 that I think he's legit or at least he's being honest 44:03.120 --> 44:05.020 about this topic, whether or not he's got ulterior motives. 44:05.360 --> 44:06.320 I can't speak to that, 44:06.440 --> 44:08.540 but I'm convinced after my research 44:08.540 --> 44:10.340 that what he's saying is accurate. 44:10.680 --> 44:12.580 My views, my views did change. 44:13.300 --> 44:15.240 Being the director of the National Parenting Center 44:15.240 --> 44:18.540 is probably the most senior rank I've held in the government. 44:18.820 --> 44:20.640 Just post 9-11, I was a true believer. 44:20.840 --> 44:22.140 I thought we needed to basically go to war 44:22.140 --> 44:24.060 with any place in the Middle East 44:24.060 --> 44:27.100 that my government sent me halfway through or so. 44:27.100 --> 44:28.800 I got a little disillusioned 44:28.800 --> 44:30.460 and felt that we are lied to with our action, 44:30.560 --> 44:31.520 but in general I still thought 44:31.520 --> 44:33.120 that they were like pretty decent partners. 44:33.400 --> 44:34.480 And look, I still, to this day, 44:34.640 --> 44:38.120 I think that Israel can be a decent partner to America 44:38.120 --> 44:40.180 if we get our priorities straight. 44:40.800 --> 44:44.660 I saw members of the Israeli government come in 44:44.660 --> 44:46.680 and deal with us at that senior level 44:46.680 --> 44:48.500 and the level of access that they had, 44:48.940 --> 44:51.000 especially in the lead up to the 12-day war, 44:51.460 --> 44:52.860 that opened up my eyes. 44:53.160 --> 44:55.340 Marco Rubio and even President Trump saying 44:55.340 --> 44:57.260 that we had to go to war because the Israelis were. 44:58.100 --> 45:00.080 It tells you basically everything you need to know, 45:00.240 --> 45:01.920 even if you don't believe most of what I just said. 45:02.440 --> 45:03.960 What actually brought you on my radar, 45:04.760 --> 45:08.840 big time, was the Kiriaku interview in 25. 45:09.700 --> 45:10.840 And I was like, holy shit, 45:11.320 --> 45:12.760 so this is my question for you. 45:13.080 --> 45:14.620 As someone who interviews a lot of people, 45:15.460 --> 45:17.740 how do you know, because Joe Kent was, 45:18.460 --> 45:20.560 he's a, as everybody knows, 11-time deployment, 45:20.800 --> 45:23.740 six bronze stars, incredible record. 45:23.740 --> 45:26.320 But he was briefly with the CIA in 2019. 45:27.160 --> 45:27.500 So. 45:27.760 --> 45:28.900 Yeah, he was ground branch, right? 45:29.560 --> 45:30.720 I don't know exactly, 45:31.160 --> 45:32.920 but I just know that he went to, 45:33.080 --> 45:37.800 yeah, he went to some sort of CIA operation in 2019 45:37.800 --> 45:39.840 and then his wife died and he got out allegedly. 45:40.400 --> 45:43.700 But like, the saying with CIA is like, you're never out. 45:44.200 --> 45:46.580 So I always try and be skeptical. 45:46.920 --> 45:47.980 So that's my question for you. 45:48.160 --> 45:50.000 How do you judge someone like Kiriaku? 45:50.480 --> 45:52.860 Because he says a ton of shit that I agree with 45:52.860 --> 45:54.340 and I wanna trust him 45:54.340 --> 45:56.340 and I wanna believe he's a legit whistleblower, 45:56.540 --> 45:58.020 stand up red, white and blue guy now, 45:58.340 --> 46:01.120 but I'm always hesitant with anybody 46:01.120 --> 46:03.020 who was ever in the intel agencies. 46:03.300 --> 46:04.280 And righteously so. 46:04.880 --> 46:06.600 I mean, you read books like Devil's Chestboard 46:06.600 --> 46:08.120 and you're like, oh, okay. 46:09.580 --> 46:14.440 And again, this is even something now that I don't even know 46:14.440 --> 46:17.300 because there's some of the more implications 46:17.300 --> 46:19.040 I've seen with like the Epstein stuff 46:19.040 --> 46:20.020 that's like, holy shit, 46:20.120 --> 46:22.520 it had to be more people than I previously thought who knew. 46:22.520 --> 46:25.020 So it's like, how do you know where a node is 46:25.020 --> 46:27.820 in a place like CIA versus what the system is? 46:27.880 --> 46:30.280 Meaning like, how many people actually are complicit? 46:31.180 --> 46:33.760 Objectively, do I know there's people that work there 46:33.760 --> 46:36.800 that probably wanna do the right thing and whatever? 46:37.160 --> 46:37.280 Sure. 46:38.100 --> 46:40.300 Do those people end up in power? 46:40.460 --> 46:42.260 Probably not, probably not. 46:42.800 --> 46:44.920 So with a guy like John, 46:45.460 --> 46:46.660 all right, there's a few directions, 46:46.840 --> 46:47.300 I wanna take this. 46:47.360 --> 46:48.020 So there's a spectrum. 46:48.880 --> 46:51.480 The spectrum goes from one guy to another guy 46:51.480 --> 46:52.920 who have both been on my show a bunch 46:52.920 --> 46:54.140 and are both friends of mine. 46:54.900 --> 46:57.360 John Kiriakou to Andrew Bustamante, okay? 46:57.860 --> 47:00.680 John Kiriakou was long time true blue CIA, 47:01.720 --> 47:05.120 did everything from being a serious analyst at the beginning 47:05.120 --> 47:06.320 to going to the farm 47:06.320 --> 47:08.620 and then doing all the whole undercover spy shit, 47:08.840 --> 47:10.980 taking down Abu Zubaita, whatever. 47:12.180 --> 47:16.380 Andy Bustamante tells a story like went to the farm, 47:16.680 --> 47:19.140 failed at the very end, had to become an SOO 47:19.140 --> 47:21.340 and then because his wife was a famous targeter, 47:21.760 --> 47:24.300 or a very well respected targeter at CIA, 47:24.640 --> 47:26.680 he eventually got to have a pretty crazy career 47:26.680 --> 47:28.580 because of that and then did some things 47:28.580 --> 47:29.660 that were interesting in a country 47:29.660 --> 47:30.540 that you can't talk about. 47:30.740 --> 47:33.500 But different trajectories, different eras 47:33.500 --> 47:35.620 and now different opinions on CIA 47:35.620 --> 47:39.400 because John was basically made a whipping boy 47:39.940 --> 47:43.300 for a whole era that he was one of the few people 47:43.300 --> 47:45.020 who was on record behind the scenes, 47:45.100 --> 47:46.280 having spoken out against 47:46.280 --> 47:48.600 and I'm referring to the torture program that CIA did. 47:48.600 --> 47:50.620 So kudos to him on that, we do know that. 47:51.120 --> 47:52.720 And they threw him in fucking prison. 47:53.680 --> 47:55.040 And maybe I'm a little bit biased 47:55.040 --> 47:57.940 because I talk with John a lot off camera 47:57.940 --> 47:59.660 and I know some of the other things 47:59.660 --> 48:01.520 that he can't talk about publicly, 48:01.740 --> 48:03.580 that like they did them and it's fucking disgusting. 48:04.060 --> 48:06.400 But now you see him talk about this stuff 48:06.400 --> 48:07.700 and he can do two things. 48:08.160 --> 48:10.520 He can be analytical and analyze things 48:10.520 --> 48:11.800 where he's like, this makes sense 48:11.800 --> 48:12.780 from a spying perspective 48:12.780 --> 48:14.680 or from a domestic security perspective. 48:15.080 --> 48:16.140 And then he can also be like, 48:16.240 --> 48:17.680 what the fuck are these people doing? 48:17.680 --> 48:19.660 This is violating every constitutional right. 48:19.820 --> 48:20.460 It's complete bullshit. 48:20.760 --> 48:23.360 It makes us the bad guys in the United States. 48:23.720 --> 48:24.940 And you can say he's biased 48:24.940 --> 48:26.020 because they threw him in prison 48:26.020 --> 48:28.600 but he brings a lot of evidence to his bias 48:28.600 --> 48:29.400 when he does that. 48:29.780 --> 48:30.740 So that's one end of it. 48:31.040 --> 48:33.160 The other end of it being Andy going back to him. 48:34.000 --> 48:36.520 Andy, like I've always had this belief 48:36.520 --> 48:37.680 in doing the show. 48:38.180 --> 48:42.260 I want people from that world 48:42.260 --> 48:43.560 right where I can see them 48:43.560 --> 48:44.540 and where you can see them 48:44.540 --> 48:46.560 which is in this seat right on camera 48:46.560 --> 48:48.900 for hours so that people can judge for themselves. 48:49.500 --> 48:51.820 And if they decide someone's a total died in the wolf, 48:52.100 --> 48:53.500 you know, fed, great. 48:54.700 --> 48:55.680 That's what we want to see. 48:55.780 --> 48:56.860 I'd rather have them sitting here 48:56.860 --> 48:57.860 so we can know what they think 48:57.860 --> 49:00.060 rather than wondering what they're thinking at this time 49:00.060 --> 49:01.220 without them being on camera. 49:01.380 --> 49:02.740 So Andy's kind of one of those guys. 49:03.340 --> 49:04.180 I think it's a mixed bag, 49:04.320 --> 49:05.420 but like I've always said, 49:05.540 --> 49:06.840 I think Andy's still with CIA. 49:07.500 --> 49:09.120 I think he could pass a poly... 49:09.120 --> 49:11.080 And I'm saying this like as a friend of the guy too. 49:11.340 --> 49:13.080 I think he could pass a polygraph 49:13.080 --> 49:14.260 if someone asked him, 49:14.580 --> 49:15.500 are you still in CIA? 49:15.500 --> 49:16.820 And he said no. 49:17.180 --> 49:18.140 Like, I think he could pass 49:18.140 --> 49:22.680 because fucking nine-tenths of CIA 49:22.680 --> 49:25.080 are people that walked out of Langley on a Friday, 49:25.360 --> 49:27.840 took a contract for 10 times the price in the private world, 49:28.040 --> 49:29.700 walked back in with a lanyard on Monday 49:29.700 --> 49:31.500 and they don't work at CIA. 49:32.220 --> 49:34.140 So that's just kind of my thought on that. 49:34.480 --> 49:38.520 But, you know, when I hear Andy talk about John, 49:39.220 --> 49:42.480 Andy will defend the fucking badge 49:42.480 --> 49:43.640 over and over and over. 49:45.720 --> 49:48.560 The funniest thing is when John and Andy talk about each other, 49:48.900 --> 49:50.660 they demonstrate that they actually don't really know 49:50.660 --> 49:51.660 about each other's background. 49:51.960 --> 49:52.900 So it's always like, oh God. 49:53.440 --> 49:55.020 But when Andy's talking about John, 49:55.140 --> 49:56.180 he doesn't even understand the case. 49:56.300 --> 49:57.740 He doesn't even understand what they did to John. 49:57.860 --> 50:00.420 He's just defending the badge at all costs. 50:00.820 --> 50:03.820 And where I've taken issue with Andy publicly on this 50:03.820 --> 50:07.260 is that he says some things about the government 50:07.260 --> 50:08.720 or about the system 50:09.300 --> 50:11.260 that I know in his own life 50:11.260 --> 50:14.380 if he completely disagrees with, you know? 50:14.800 --> 50:16.940 So, and it's not 100% of things, 50:17.100 --> 50:19.620 but you know, it's like, there's a 20%, 30% of things 50:19.620 --> 50:21.220 that I'm like, you don't really believe that. 50:21.660 --> 50:23.140 So why are you saying that? 50:23.500 --> 50:24.820 And so what I wonder is, 50:24.940 --> 50:26.800 cause Andy's just a little node at CIA. 50:27.080 --> 50:29.340 He wasn't, you know, like really high up 50:29.340 --> 50:30.080 and stuff like that. 50:30.540 --> 50:32.660 I wonder if that's a pressure thinking 50:32.660 --> 50:36.320 or if that's actively a part of it thinking. 50:36.580 --> 50:38.020 I think it's more of a pressure thinking. 50:38.220 --> 50:38.980 That's just my read. 50:38.980 --> 50:40.900 There's other people who will say that's Andy 50:40.900 --> 50:43.420 just being a good ol' propagandist or whatever 50:43.420 --> 50:45.060 and they're allowed to say that. 50:45.340 --> 50:47.340 But, you know, with Kiri Akku, 50:47.520 --> 50:50.000 I think, especially some of the stuff 50:50.000 --> 50:51.280 I talked with him off camera 50:51.280 --> 50:52.480 that people don't know about. 50:52.940 --> 50:55.600 If he were totally sum up and full of shit, 50:56.080 --> 50:58.320 it would, that would shock. 50:58.520 --> 50:59.420 That one would shock me. 50:59.960 --> 51:00.660 It just... 51:00.660 --> 51:02.880 Well, that's how I feel about him too 51:02.880 --> 51:03.340 for the record. 51:03.700 --> 51:06.620 I'm just saying, you know, we have to be skeptical. 51:06.620 --> 51:09.800 I mean, you know that there are obviously, 51:10.340 --> 51:12.120 I mean, this is very famous 51:12.120 --> 51:15.260 that the CIA controlled our nightly news. 51:15.620 --> 51:17.500 I mean, or at least they had influence 51:17.500 --> 51:20.380 in the script writing for some of the, 51:20.540 --> 51:22.080 you know, Kronkite or whatever. 51:22.820 --> 51:27.020 So to think that they wouldn't have jilted 51:27.020 --> 51:29.920 intel agencies that go into the podcast world 51:29.920 --> 51:32.660 to ultimately still push a script when necessary. 51:33.140 --> 51:34.400 Like, of course they're doing that. 51:34.580 --> 51:36.220 But that doesn't mean that Kiri Akku's that guy. 51:36.220 --> 51:37.320 He could be for real. 51:38.180 --> 51:40.680 I've become friends with Steve Friend. 51:41.820 --> 51:43.100 I don't know Kyle Serif and all that well, 51:43.180 --> 51:43.980 but I've had him on my show. 51:44.560 --> 51:46.420 And it's like, these are the FBI whistleblowers 51:46.420 --> 51:48.440 that came out under the Biden administration. 51:50.320 --> 51:51.520 And like, I fucking, 51:51.660 --> 51:53.020 I wanna believe these guys so bad, 51:53.240 --> 51:54.400 but I'm still like, he's bad still. 51:55.060 --> 51:56.140 He's like, he's bad still. 51:57.000 --> 51:59.440 So I just always, I always keep my guard up, 51:59.940 --> 52:00.960 you know, I just keep my guard up. 52:01.220 --> 52:02.040 I get it. 52:02.220 --> 52:04.440 I think you do have to keep your guard up for sure, 52:04.440 --> 52:06.340 because we've seen this where it's like, 52:07.080 --> 52:08.100 oh, wait a minute, 52:08.280 --> 52:09.080 that's just a total, 52:09.500 --> 52:11.460 that's a total propaganda campaign right there. 52:11.720 --> 52:14.200 Or we've seen people come out like the Trojan Horse 52:14.200 --> 52:15.940 and then suddenly you're like, wait a minute, 52:16.080 --> 52:17.360 who do you play for here? 52:18.360 --> 52:20.940 I try to treat it like I treat everyone else though 52:20.940 --> 52:22.160 and it's hard to do, 52:22.360 --> 52:23.420 because of all the shit we know. 52:23.820 --> 52:25.100 But I try to treat it like, 52:25.520 --> 52:27.740 let me judge it on an individual basis. 52:27.980 --> 52:29.080 At the same time though, 52:29.260 --> 52:30.780 we, you're always dealing with people 52:30.780 --> 52:35.240 who are highly trained at literally knowing how to lie. 52:35.840 --> 52:36.800 Yeah, that's their fucking job. 52:37.660 --> 52:38.940 Yeah, news for you. 52:39.160 --> 52:40.140 I'm not a mind reader. 52:40.780 --> 52:44.340 So, you know, it's tough. 52:45.180 --> 52:45.840 And I understand that. 52:46.160 --> 52:47.680 I'm really good at reading people, 52:47.800 --> 52:50.160 but I still, you know, like ultimately, 52:50.640 --> 52:52.520 I got duped by Trump, you know, 52:52.640 --> 52:56.880 like not that I was never even close to a true believer, 52:57.480 --> 53:02.440 but I still felt like it was a 70-30 decision 53:02.440 --> 53:04.520 when it came to him versus Harris. 53:05.020 --> 53:07.260 You know, it was like, it was pretty easy for me. 53:07.420 --> 53:10.500 The entire woke hegemonic, 53:10.540 --> 53:12.440 demonic thing that the Democrats were pushing, 53:12.860 --> 53:15.520 plus the proxy war World War three in Ukraine. 53:15.980 --> 53:16.980 I was like, we got to change course. 53:17.300 --> 53:18.800 I don't give a fuck, we got to get out of here. 53:19.480 --> 53:21.860 And Trump puts together this incredible team 53:21.860 --> 53:22.920 of all these dissonant figures 53:23.340 --> 53:26.440 or like appeared to be dissonant figures. 53:27.060 --> 53:27.620 And then it just, 53:28.480 --> 53:30.460 and now we're in World War three in Iran potentially. 53:30.760 --> 53:32.960 And it's like, man, I got fucking duped. 53:33.020 --> 53:35.580 So anyways, the reason I bring all this up 53:35.580 --> 53:38.500 is because everything I've crosschecked 53:38.500 --> 53:39.920 about what Joe Kent has had to say, 53:40.460 --> 53:42.100 everything I can verify I have 53:42.100 --> 53:43.320 and he's been telling the truth on. 53:43.780 --> 53:45.880 So like, for me, I wanna believe in Joe Kent, 53:46.020 --> 53:48.180 but now I'm relying on fucking Nick Fuentes 53:48.900 --> 53:50.880 because he was the one who said that 53:50.880 --> 53:52.600 don't trust Donald Trump. 53:53.040 --> 53:54.740 He is owned by Israeli donors 53:54.740 --> 53:56.960 and now he sure looks like Nick Fuentes 53:56.960 --> 53:57.760 was right about that. 53:57.900 --> 53:58.900 Sorry, just being honest. 53:59.680 --> 54:02.280 Yeah, whether, yeah, whether, hold on one second, 54:02.500 --> 54:04.060 whether or not he's, 54:04.140 --> 54:05.860 it doesn't matter who's saying it. 54:06.180 --> 54:07.760 If there's evidence to that, 54:08.060 --> 54:09.500 if he's right, he's right. 54:09.580 --> 54:11.380 I don't like Nick Fuentes even a little bit, 54:11.500 --> 54:14.620 but like Donald Trump was paid fucking $200 million 54:15.020 --> 54:16.380 by the Israel Lobby a day 54:16.380 --> 54:17.420 after he was found guilty 54:17.420 --> 54:19.860 of those bullshit felonies in 2024. 54:19.860 --> 54:21.200 You think that was free? 54:22.120 --> 54:22.560 Yeah, no. 54:23.360 --> 54:23.740 You know? 54:23.880 --> 54:24.440 Definitely not. 54:24.680 --> 54:26.500 But the reason I bring it up 54:26.500 --> 54:29.500 is not even to use Nick's opinion on it, 54:29.500 --> 54:32.200 just to say that the reason I'm taking Nick seriously 54:32.200 --> 54:34.100 is because he got that right when I got it wrong. 54:34.580 --> 54:36.380 So I'm extrapolating forward 54:36.380 --> 54:38.540 and I'm saying Fuentes is very skeptical 54:38.540 --> 54:40.240 about J.D. Vance and Joe Kent. 54:40.780 --> 54:44.100 And he says that Joe Kent is a Peter Teal creation 54:44.100 --> 54:45.860 just the same as J.D. Vance. 54:46.000 --> 54:47.840 As you know, Peter Teal was responsible 54:47.840 --> 54:50.600 for co-founding Palantir. 54:51.900 --> 54:52.600 And it just, 54:53.640 --> 54:55.340 as much as I want to trust Joe Kent, 54:55.400 --> 54:56.680 especially with him saying what I think 54:56.680 --> 54:57.920 is absolutely the fucking truth, 54:58.460 --> 55:00.380 that Israel led us by our nose 55:00.380 --> 55:01.760 into this war against Iran. 55:02.760 --> 55:04.440 But I'm still like, all right, 55:04.500 --> 55:05.540 but what is this really? 55:05.980 --> 55:06.680 Is this an angle? 55:07.000 --> 55:08.660 Are they trying to fucking put Ken up 55:08.660 --> 55:10.020 as the VP for Vance? 55:10.180 --> 55:11.400 And Vance is gonna now come up 55:11.400 --> 55:13.260 and pretend as if he really opposed these wars. 55:13.580 --> 55:14.760 I guess what I'm saying is, 55:15.220 --> 55:16.880 you just get, once you get so deep in this, 55:17.280 --> 55:18.160 you actually get to the point 55:18.160 --> 55:19.620 where you can't trust anything or anyone 55:19.620 --> 55:20.940 and it's really sad. 55:21.180 --> 55:22.180 I think that's the point. 55:23.120 --> 55:24.240 Okay, okay, fair enough. 55:24.360 --> 55:25.820 Yeah, yeah, if I were, 55:26.780 --> 55:28.580 if I were the people, 55:29.140 --> 55:30.760 it's impossible to think like these people 55:30.760 --> 55:33.120 because you're not, 55:33.280 --> 55:34.760 you're a normal fucking human being. 55:35.140 --> 55:36.860 Like if I were the people running the world 55:36.860 --> 55:38.220 as best as I can see 55:38.780 --> 55:40.540 the patterns of how they do things. 55:41.200 --> 55:42.860 If I realized that, 55:43.760 --> 55:46.900 then my sole goal would be to sow chaos 55:47.720 --> 55:51.380 and make people not trust anything 55:52.000 --> 55:54.640 so that I could spread out the blame. 55:55.220 --> 55:57.100 Okay, I could spread out the blame 55:57.100 --> 55:58.520 from me all the way down 55:58.520 --> 56:00.380 to basic run of the mills institutions 56:00.380 --> 56:02.360 that actually don't really affect anything 56:02.360 --> 56:03.620 but people think they do. 56:04.360 --> 56:06.720 And where in that era now? 56:06.960 --> 56:08.680 Cause that's all the elites got left, 56:08.840 --> 56:09.860 like the elite of the elite, 56:10.000 --> 56:11.080 the Bilderberg type people, 56:11.160 --> 56:12.060 that's what they got left. 56:12.060 --> 56:13.600 And so yes, 56:14.600 --> 56:17.520 I mean, I don't know Joe Kent personally. 56:18.060 --> 56:21.140 It's only been a week of us seeing him. 56:21.660 --> 56:22.880 Could be a great actor. 56:23.420 --> 56:23.740 I don't know. 56:24.620 --> 56:25.580 I will tell you, 56:26.540 --> 56:28.500 without having sat down with him personally, 56:29.440 --> 56:31.480 I did find him incredibly measured. 56:32.420 --> 56:32.840 Me too. 56:32.980 --> 56:35.140 When he talked with Tucker Carlson 56:35.140 --> 56:37.000 and I also maybe, 56:38.200 --> 56:40.300 I don't know if this gonna be a good take 56:40.300 --> 56:41.000 or bad take. 56:41.000 --> 56:43.080 This is just how I've always looked at it too. 56:43.220 --> 56:45.400 I've dealt with a couple of the ground branch guys before. 56:46.300 --> 56:47.560 I do view that differently. 56:48.740 --> 56:51.460 I view that differently than when I'm dealing with like, 56:52.640 --> 56:55.360 a Gustamante or a Kiriaku type, 56:55.460 --> 56:57.580 like a case officer, like true blue CIA. 56:57.820 --> 56:59.260 When someone was like 20 years 56:59.260 --> 57:01.420 in the fucking special forces 57:01.420 --> 57:03.820 and then they go basically do ground branch 57:03.820 --> 57:05.480 where they're just taking the same skills 57:05.480 --> 57:07.380 and now they're just read in to go capture 57:07.380 --> 57:08.440 and kill people sometimes. 57:09.740 --> 57:12.420 No, that's definitely a different thing. 57:12.620 --> 57:13.160 Quick interlude, 57:13.300 --> 57:14.820 I just wanted to let you guys know, 57:14.880 --> 57:15.880 I don't think I've ever told you this, 57:16.020 --> 57:19.780 but I will be a guest on Tom Woods' Cruise. 57:20.400 --> 57:22.540 So August 22nd through the 29th, 57:22.540 --> 57:24.580 leaving from Boston and sailing to Canada. 57:25.040 --> 57:26.620 Yeah, how cool is that? 57:27.060 --> 57:29.920 Seven days myself, Tom Woods, Scott Horton, 57:30.740 --> 57:32.420 Josie, the Red Head of the Libertarian will be there. 57:32.940 --> 57:34.300 I'm sure a ton of other people, 57:34.680 --> 57:36.240 but out of those four, 57:36.380 --> 57:38.420 there's gotta be someone you'd like to go on about. 57:38.420 --> 57:39.040 I don't have a vacation with. 57:39.840 --> 57:40.940 So, this is your opportunity. 57:41.520 --> 57:43.700 Go to tomwoodscruise.com, 57:43.780 --> 57:45.680 that's tomwoodscruise.com. 57:45.760 --> 57:46.900 I don't know if there's a promo code. 57:47.000 --> 57:48.140 I think it's lockdown, if so. 57:49.220 --> 57:51.720 So yeah, if there's a promo code, use that lockdown. 57:52.300 --> 57:53.940 If there's not, just let them know that I sent you. 57:54.300 --> 57:55.240 I don't get paid for it. 57:55.320 --> 57:57.620 I would just like for some of the people on that boat 57:57.620 --> 57:59.360 to be listeners of this show, 57:59.520 --> 58:00.200 because that would be cool. 58:00.760 --> 58:02.660 All right, tomwoodscruise.com. 58:03.060 --> 58:04.440 Get your tickets, it will probably sell out. 58:04.640 --> 58:05.660 So grab them when you can. 58:05.660 --> 58:08.460 Yeah, I think it's a different culture. 58:09.280 --> 58:11.460 I gotta be open to being wrong about that. 58:11.800 --> 58:14.520 But with Kent, 58:15.040 --> 58:17.940 there's nothing he said 58:19.640 --> 58:22.980 that doesn't make sense looking at the ticker tape 58:22.980 --> 58:23.920 as we can see it. 58:24.540 --> 58:25.560 Yeah, exactly. 58:26.560 --> 58:28.220 Like just looking at it. 58:28.940 --> 58:30.660 No, that's exactly where I'm at with it. 58:30.860 --> 58:33.320 And it may turn out that he's doing it for 58:33.960 --> 58:35.100 other ulterior motives 58:35.100 --> 58:38.420 and I'll then reassess everything that he's had to say 58:39.000 --> 58:39.940 as a consequence of that. 58:40.080 --> 58:43.580 But as of now, it feels as if he's just doing the right thing 58:43.580 --> 58:46.360 at great personal expense and honestly facing jail time, 58:46.920 --> 58:47.920 similar to Kiriakou. 58:48.200 --> 58:51.860 It's like, personally, I don't think that he leaked, 58:52.100 --> 58:53.620 certainly I don't think he leaked anything classified. 58:53.940 --> 58:55.800 I think there's a chance that he leaked those text messages 58:55.800 --> 58:58.120 to Candice, but she denied it, he denied it. 58:58.240 --> 59:00.420 So I guess we'll see TBD on that. 59:02.400 --> 59:07.500 But as of now, I'm just gonna take it with as best I can analyze 59:07.500 --> 59:09.480 and come to the conclusion that it looks like 59:09.480 --> 59:10.400 he's telling the truth right now. 59:10.820 --> 59:11.600 We'll just see where it goes. 59:12.500 --> 59:16.440 Yeah, it's also like every accusation becomes a projection. 59:17.920 --> 59:20.400 That's why I, when I was younger, 59:20.940 --> 59:24.340 when I was like in college and then right after college, 59:24.500 --> 59:26.900 those were my like political times. 59:26.900 --> 59:32.160 So I was a liberal and then I was like a 2016 Trump conservative. 59:33.160 --> 59:36.620 And then I kinda had my black pill moment, 59:36.820 --> 59:38.540 if you I didn't know what was called at the time, 59:39.380 --> 59:41.180 in about late 2017. 59:43.900 --> 59:47.500 And it, I don't need to get into what caused that 59:47.500 --> 59:48.940 and everything, I've talked about that before. 59:49.220 --> 59:52.460 But like it's the one thing in my life, 59:52.940 --> 59:54.400 like maybe the only thing. 59:54.880 --> 59:56.940 Cause all I do is I constantly wake up, 59:57.080 --> 59:58.580 I'm like, well, that's not what I thought it was 59:58.580 --> 59:59.460 with everything. 01:00:00.200 --> 01:00:01.680 But like it is the only thing 01:00:01.680 --> 01:00:04.100 that through all the ups and downs since then, 01:00:04.200 --> 01:00:05.380 which is almost a decade now, 01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.420 I have felt some personal zen on, 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:12.300 which is that there really is no left 01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:13.800 and there really is no right. 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:15.280 Yes, there's ideologies. 01:00:15.540 --> 01:00:18.280 Yes, there's people who have wildly different solutions 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.060 from socialism to libertarianism 01:00:20.060 --> 01:00:20.740 and everything in between. 01:00:21.460 --> 01:00:23.340 But like at the end of the day, 01:00:23.340 --> 01:00:24.960 people want all the same things 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:26.160 and at the end of the day, 01:00:26.560 --> 01:00:29.740 a uniparty system finds a way to distract people 01:00:29.740 --> 01:00:32.440 with the things that you think matter the most. 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.360 Wow, they simultaneously take care of the things 01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.880 behind closed doors that really matter the most. 01:00:39.660 --> 01:00:47.200 And that's what it feels like right now 01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:51.900 with everything that we've seen over the past decade, 01:00:51.900 --> 01:00:52.880 more than that. 01:00:53.460 --> 01:00:55.960 And in particularly when you see all the things 01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:01.420 that the Trump campaign righteously in many cases 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.620 called out the previous White House for 01:01:04.620 --> 01:01:06.660 and that was the White House running for office, 01:01:07.680 --> 01:01:09.980 whether it be gaslighting on mass, 01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:11.720 gaslighting on the pandemic, 01:01:12.260 --> 01:01:13.480 gaslighting on the vaccine, 01:01:13.780 --> 01:01:14.920 which he laid off a little bit 01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.600 because he was the Godfather of Operation Warp Speed 01:01:17.600 --> 01:01:19.860 and all that, gaslighting on Ukraine, 01:01:21.180 --> 01:01:22.820 gaslighting on fucking gender, 01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:24.640 gaslighting on, 01:01:25.160 --> 01:01:26.580 I mean, you insert the blank, 01:01:26.780 --> 01:01:29.540 we saw Karine Jean-Pierre get out there every day 01:01:29.540 --> 01:01:30.380 and it was just like, 01:01:30.540 --> 01:01:32.400 how many times can I lie today? 01:01:32.720 --> 01:01:34.420 That's what it was, you know? 01:01:35.600 --> 01:01:37.380 Now many of those things, 01:01:37.580 --> 01:01:39.080 not necessarily the same things 01:01:39.080 --> 01:01:40.880 like gender or something like that, 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.020 but many of the same ideas 01:01:43.020 --> 01:01:45.920 in a different lens, they're doing. 01:01:46.620 --> 01:01:48.340 Oh yeah, absolutely. 01:01:49.160 --> 01:01:49.960 That part, 01:01:51.560 --> 01:01:53.480 the degree of that, 01:01:54.600 --> 01:01:57.860 the degree of the obviousness of that 01:01:57.860 --> 01:01:59.540 has surprised me a little bit, 01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:01.840 but the idea that that is what happened 01:02:02.540 --> 01:02:04.840 didn't surprise me at all. 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:09.220 I mean, this is what these people do 01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:12.520 and I don't think anyone gets in there like, 01:02:13.820 --> 01:02:15.820 one of the reasons that Trump really 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.780 as a young kid appealed to me in 2015 01:02:19.780 --> 01:02:21.600 was because of how really was 01:02:22.220 --> 01:02:23.160 and off the cuff. 01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:27.220 And then he started taking money 01:02:27.660 --> 01:02:28.520 because it got real 01:02:28.520 --> 01:02:30.100 and he got into the real case 01:02:30.100 --> 01:02:31.860 and you started to see 01:02:32.700 --> 01:02:34.740 not at first, but over time 01:02:34.740 --> 01:02:36.320 you saw some changes 01:02:37.080 --> 01:02:38.580 in how he did things. 01:02:38.780 --> 01:02:41.140 That said, looking back on his first administration 01:02:41.140 --> 01:02:42.700 before the pandemic hit, 01:02:42.780 --> 01:02:44.180 which was a whole fucking thing, right? 01:02:44.820 --> 01:02:46.160 You know, it was chaotic. 01:02:46.660 --> 01:02:47.460 He wasn't organized 01:02:47.460 --> 01:02:48.820 and how to run a White House. 01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:50.580 He ran it like a reality show 01:02:50.580 --> 01:02:51.980 and there were a lot of issues, 01:02:52.720 --> 01:02:53.640 but like 01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:56.460 the sun came up, 01:02:57.140 --> 01:02:58.140 the lights were on. 01:02:58.680 --> 01:02:59.120 It was fine. 01:02:59.780 --> 01:03:00.720 Things were okay. 01:03:01.720 --> 01:03:03.160 Some of the foreign policy 01:03:03.160 --> 01:03:04.820 was actually pretty decent. 01:03:05.080 --> 01:03:05.980 That was one place 01:03:05.980 --> 01:03:07.740 where I'd given him some credit for. 01:03:08.060 --> 01:03:09.040 But in the past, 01:03:09.220 --> 01:03:10.240 we didn't necessarily. 01:03:10.240 --> 01:03:11.880 When he crossed the DMZ, 01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:12.700 that was fucking huge. 01:03:12.700 --> 01:03:13.960 I was really impressed with that. 01:03:14.380 --> 01:03:14.480 Yeah. 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:15.400 From where that guy went. 01:03:16.240 --> 01:03:17.000 We didn't start 01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:19.240 foreign wars and stuff 01:03:19.240 --> 01:03:21.360 and the guy who spoke in 2015 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.160 about, you know, 01:03:23.680 --> 01:03:25.180 Saddam Hussein was a bad guy. 01:03:26.180 --> 01:03:27.120 Liquid happened after. 01:03:27.500 --> 01:03:28.840 Like, he was still there. 01:03:30.060 --> 01:03:30.520 And then 01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:33.360 something happened 01:03:34.100 --> 01:03:35.340 between these terms 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:37.920 or at the start of this term. 01:03:38.060 --> 01:03:38.540 I don't know. 01:03:39.380 --> 01:03:41.760 And anything that was decent 01:03:42.700 --> 01:03:44.780 about Trump and being different. 01:03:46.260 --> 01:03:47.300 Most of it 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:49.840 seems to have gone out the window. 01:03:51.520 --> 01:03:53.740 And it goes back to those different doors 01:03:53.740 --> 01:03:55.060 we talked about earlier. 01:03:55.380 --> 01:03:56.480 Like, are you in on it? 01:03:56.700 --> 01:03:58.080 Are you blackmailed? 01:03:59.040 --> 01:04:02.260 did you want to see it happen the whole time? 01:04:03.680 --> 01:04:05.680 I don't know if it's a combination of all that. 01:04:05.980 --> 01:04:07.820 But one thing about Donald Trump 01:04:07.820 --> 01:04:08.820 that's very strange 01:04:08.820 --> 01:04:10.820 is that there has never been a person 01:04:10.820 --> 01:04:12.020 in the history of politics 01:04:12.020 --> 01:04:13.400 more obsessed with polls 01:04:14.060 --> 01:04:14.780 than him. 01:04:15.580 --> 01:04:17.120 And he is the kind of guy 01:04:17.120 --> 01:04:18.340 who's taught by Roy Kohn 01:04:18.340 --> 01:04:19.380 for better or worse 01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:20.080 about strength 01:04:20.080 --> 01:04:22.320 and leaning on power of crowds 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:22.980 and dynamics. 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:24.000 He's the kind of guy 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:25.020 that when you look at his career, 01:04:25.520 --> 01:04:28.080 the minute he could legitimately see 01:04:28.080 --> 01:04:30.380 that the scales had tipped 01:04:30.380 --> 01:04:31.720 in one direction or another. 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:33.540 All he needed was 51% 01:04:33.540 --> 01:04:34.400 on a set issue. 01:04:34.780 --> 01:04:35.840 He knew he could go 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:37.180 all the way in on it 01:04:37.180 --> 01:04:38.360 because he had just enough 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:39.840 and he could push more people 01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:40.640 onto that side 01:04:40.640 --> 01:04:41.300 with the momentum 01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:42.940 of his press down. 01:04:43.640 --> 01:04:45.200 And yet on 01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:46.700 at least two 01:04:46.700 --> 01:04:48.660 unbelievably key issues. 01:04:49.220 --> 01:04:50.440 And now three. 01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:53.180 Arguably the three most 01:04:53.180 --> 01:04:54.260 key issues 01:04:54.260 --> 01:04:55.780 of the current administration 01:04:55.780 --> 01:04:56.680 at this moment. 01:04:57.720 --> 01:04:58.380 Donald Trump 01:04:58.380 --> 01:05:00.400 consistently in his second term. 01:05:01.500 --> 01:05:03.600 Has decided to land on the 01:05:03.600 --> 01:05:05.240 not just the complete opposite 01:05:05.240 --> 01:05:07.440 side of a 51 to 49 poll 01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:08.700 the complete opposite side 01:05:08.700 --> 01:05:10.380 of a fucking 80 to 20 poll. 01:05:10.640 --> 01:05:12.380 And that is more than that 01:05:12.380 --> 01:05:12.920 in some cases. 01:05:13.120 --> 01:05:14.200 That is Epstein, Israel 01:05:14.200 --> 01:05:15.140 and the Iran war. 01:05:15.900 --> 01:05:19.680 OK, like he has decided 01:05:19.680 --> 01:05:22.500 to spew go out of his way 01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:24.020 to praise the opposite 01:05:24.020 --> 01:05:25.580 of opinion of not only 01:05:25.580 --> 01:05:27.040 what a lot of his base wants, 01:05:27.460 --> 01:05:28.960 but what a lot of people 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:29.940 want in general. 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:30.840 Yeah. 01:05:31.240 --> 01:05:33.040 And it's like, you know, 01:05:33.120 --> 01:05:33.920 maybe he's old. 01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:35.640 He's fucking 80 years old. 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:37.220 Maybe he's fucking losing it. 01:05:37.300 --> 01:05:38.000 Very possible. 01:05:39.700 --> 01:05:41.740 Maybe he's just lost his fastball 01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:43.880 or, you know, 01:05:44.180 --> 01:05:45.540 maybe there's some other things 01:05:45.540 --> 01:05:46.900 that are going on here 01:05:46.900 --> 01:05:48.080 that we can't see. 01:05:48.340 --> 01:05:49.780 And you have to wonder that 01:05:50.300 --> 01:05:51.760 with the Epstein Files. 01:05:52.040 --> 01:05:53.500 You do, you know, 01:05:53.620 --> 01:05:55.520 I had defended him in the past, 01:05:55.700 --> 01:05:57.520 even when I didn't like the guy. 01:05:58.080 --> 01:06:00.940 Like I was still defending him 01:06:00.940 --> 01:06:02.140 based on some of the evidence 01:06:02.140 --> 01:06:03.180 we had about Epstein, 01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:04.520 like him going out of his way 01:06:04.520 --> 01:06:05.680 to be one of the few people 01:06:05.680 --> 01:06:07.020 who was shot him from the rooftops, 01:06:07.080 --> 01:06:07.720 which is true. 01:06:08.220 --> 01:06:09.400 He was shouting it 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:10.420 before a lot of other people. 01:06:10.580 --> 01:06:11.840 You shot him when fucking Alex Jones 01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:12.720 was shouting it, right? 01:06:13.780 --> 01:06:14.940 Is that just projection 01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:15.840 because you're in on it 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:17.040 and you're trying to get out in front of it. 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:18.460 Wir waren die besten. 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:20.480 Wir waren besser als alle anderen. 01:06:20.780 --> 01:06:22.260 Die Geschichte eines ostdeutschen 01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:24.440 Start-up-Wunders mit Millionen umsetzen. 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:26.640 UNISTAN, das Unternehmen hinter 01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:27.860 App in den Urlaub.de. 01:06:29.780 --> 01:06:31.860 Doch dann Betrugsvorwürfe. 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:32.680 Das Unternehmen hat 01:06:32.680 --> 01:06:35.000 maßenhaft und schwer Rechtsverletzung begangen. 01:06:35.140 --> 01:06:36.140 Dubiose Geschäfte. 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:37.600 Man war so hoch aufgestiegen, 01:06:37.600 --> 01:06:39.140 dass man sich für unverletzlich will. 01:06:39.420 --> 01:06:40.300 Ab in den Urlaub, 01:06:40.500 --> 01:06:42.720 der Crash des Internet Imperiums Junister. 01:06:43.180 --> 01:06:44.960 Jetzt in der ARD Sound app 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:46.800 und überall wo es Podcasts gibt. 01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:50.360 Certainty have to wonder that, you know. 01:06:50.680 --> 01:06:53.000 They've deleted 47,000 files 01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:54.020 in the last few weeks, 01:06:54.100 --> 01:06:56.180 including some that have allegations against them, 01:06:56.220 --> 01:06:57.040 which might not be true, 01:06:57.140 --> 01:06:57.580 but like that. 01:06:58.100 --> 01:06:58.800 Why would you do that? 01:06:59.440 --> 01:06:59.500 You know? 01:06:59.940 --> 01:07:00.580 You got nothing to hide. 01:07:00.680 --> 01:07:01.280 Why would you do that? 01:07:02.140 --> 01:07:04.080 Well, they went way out of their way 01:07:04.080 --> 01:07:05.480 to cover up his involvement. 01:07:06.040 --> 01:07:06.560 But also, 01:07:07.120 --> 01:07:08.960 even if you don't go down the Epstein path, 01:07:09.620 --> 01:07:12.800 the Butler Pennsylvania path is very fruitful in my opinion. 01:07:13.240 --> 01:07:13.360 I mean, 01:07:13.940 --> 01:07:14.840 if you believe it's real, 01:07:14.980 --> 01:07:16.580 which obviously some people still believe 01:07:16.580 --> 01:07:18.420 it was a major Psyop and blah, blah, blah. 01:07:18.900 --> 01:07:20.400 I believe that that guy behind him got killed. 01:07:20.560 --> 01:07:21.980 I believe that there was rounds that were fired. 01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:24.680 I've dug very deep on this 01:07:24.680 --> 01:07:26.680 and I'm convinced that that actually did transpire. 01:07:26.900 --> 01:07:28.740 So you'd have to believe that Donald Trump 01:07:28.740 --> 01:07:31.120 was willing to let live rounds be fired past him. 01:07:31.260 --> 01:07:32.820 I don't fucking believe that for a second. 01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:33.620 So. 01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:36.220 You have to wonder. 01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:39.460 I mean, we don't know fucking anything about Crooks. 01:07:39.540 --> 01:07:41.000 We don't know anything about the, 01:07:41.200 --> 01:07:42.940 like the motive, the backdrop. 01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:44.980 Of course, the lone shooter 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:47.540 who barely misses ends up dead. 01:07:47.640 --> 01:07:48.760 So you can't question him. 01:07:49.100 --> 01:07:51.120 His entire social media footprint is wiped. 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:52.340 No one's there's been. 01:07:52.680 --> 01:07:54.600 They haven't even fucking attempted 01:07:55.160 --> 01:07:56.180 to give us a narrative. 01:07:56.560 --> 01:07:58.120 They're just like, move on. 01:07:58.680 --> 01:08:00.140 It's the closest thing we've had 01:08:00.140 --> 01:08:01.180 to a presidential assassination 01:08:01.720 --> 01:08:03.420 in decades and decades and decades. 01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:04.800 And they don't want to even, 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:06.260 they don't even want to talk about it. 01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:07.260 It's like it didn't even happen. 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:09.980 And Trump doesn't want to talk about it either. 01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.080 And you know, you know, he wants to talk about it. 01:08:13.120 --> 01:08:15.460 Cause like, it makes him look so heroic and shit, right? 01:08:16.240 --> 01:08:17.880 So the fact that he doesn't talk about it 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:19.000 makes you feel like there's something 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:20.320 really fucking deep there. 01:08:20.660 --> 01:08:23.460 Now, this is all just like reading tea leaves. 01:08:23.780 --> 01:08:24.680 You know, I'm not, this is not, 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:26.160 nothing is firm conclusion 01:08:26.160 --> 01:08:27.980 from what I'm coming up with. 01:08:28.120 --> 01:08:30.040 But I don't know how you look at that 01:08:30.040 --> 01:08:32.280 and you don't go like everything 01:08:32.280 --> 01:08:33.680 that he was running on, 01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:35.080 everything he seemed to be about 01:08:35.080 --> 01:08:36.920 all got put to the back burner 01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:39.220 as soon as that fucking bullet grazed his head. 01:08:40.620 --> 01:08:42.320 And that's where I'm at with it. 01:08:42.460 --> 01:08:43.580 I think it's a distinct possibility. 01:08:44.480 --> 01:08:45.640 I think it is too. 01:08:45.820 --> 01:08:48.280 This is where I would love to have been a fly on the wall 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:50.700 for when the knock comes on the door 01:08:50.700 --> 01:08:52.420 and I don't know who's on the other side of the knock. 01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:53.600 Maybe it's a normal knock. 01:08:54.060 --> 01:08:54.720 Maybe it's not. 01:08:54.980 --> 01:08:57.020 Maybe it's people I'm not thinking of right now. 01:08:57.200 --> 01:08:57.860 I don't know. 01:08:58.460 --> 01:09:02.240 But Donald Trump is the embodiment 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.220 of the I showed up to my greatest haters funeral 01:09:06.220 --> 01:09:08.320 just to make sure that motherfucking dead meme. 01:09:09.020 --> 01:09:12.800 All right, like including not for the better, 01:09:13.080 --> 01:09:15.460 like for the worse, like he can't read a room. 01:09:15.580 --> 01:09:17.400 Sometimes we just want to shut the fuck up 01:09:17.400 --> 01:09:18.920 even about people they doesn't like. 01:09:19.320 --> 01:09:22.560 He's like 50 Cent buying out front row at Jaw Rolls Concert. 01:09:23.160 --> 01:09:27.280 Yes, he's like he was 50 Cent before 50 Cent. 01:09:28.620 --> 01:09:30.640 He still has grudges against people 01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:32.320 that have been dead for 40 years. 01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:36.980 And you're telling me that a 20 year old who shot him 01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:40.620 and grazed his ear and tried to take him out. 01:09:41.620 --> 01:09:43.660 He don't want to talk about that guy. 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:45.000 Get the fuck out of here. 01:09:45.740 --> 01:09:48.260 And that doesn't mean like, you know, 01:09:48.380 --> 01:09:50.560 it doesn't have to mean like always in on it or something. 01:09:51.100 --> 01:09:52.580 But why is that? 01:09:53.260 --> 01:09:54.340 What does he know? 01:09:54.860 --> 01:09:56.000 What has he been told? 01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:01.280 And who has told him that makes him go, I can't touch that one. 01:10:02.160 --> 01:10:05.000 You know, you can make a lot of accusations about Donald Trump. 01:10:05.260 --> 01:10:06.280 You can't say he's not. 01:10:06.380 --> 01:10:07.940 He ain't got some fucking Alpha in him. 01:10:08.160 --> 01:10:10.520 He does. He's a natural kind of Alpha dude. 01:10:11.300 --> 01:10:13.080 Why is he such a beta on that? 01:10:14.180 --> 01:10:16.440 It doesn't. It doesn't make sense. 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.120 I agree. I'm a Podcaster, bro. 01:10:19.280 --> 01:10:21.840 I don't fucking know like what it is, 01:10:21.900 --> 01:10:23.260 but it could be a lot of things. 01:10:23.260 --> 01:10:23.980 Yeah. 01:10:24.320 --> 01:10:26.220 Well, let me let me play off of what you said earlier. 01:10:26.740 --> 01:10:29.300 You said there's three things that he's totally flipped on. 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.780 And it's Israel, Iran and Epstein. 01:10:32.360 --> 01:10:33.420 Well, let me reframe that. 01:10:33.940 --> 01:10:35.520 It's Israel, Israel, Israel. 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.020 Those are those are all. 01:10:37.120 --> 01:10:39.360 Those all have major Israel angles. 01:10:39.480 --> 01:10:41.280 I mean, the Iran war is purely for Israel. 01:10:42.140 --> 01:10:45.100 Epstein, his relationship to Israeli intelligence. 01:10:45.280 --> 01:10:46.840 There's other intelligence involvement, of course, 01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:48.600 but his relationship to 01:10:49.100 --> 01:10:50.440 Ehud Barak and all these fucking. 01:10:50.440 --> 01:10:53.500 I mean, like that's clearly an Israel angle. 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:56.900 And then Israel obviously has to do with Israel. 01:10:57.080 --> 01:10:58.140 So there you go. 01:10:58.380 --> 01:10:59.140 There's your three, dude. 01:10:59.400 --> 01:11:02.720 And like if you connect those dots, if you say Butler, 01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:06.200 maybe maybe Crooks wasn't, you know, the guy 01:11:06.200 --> 01:11:08.680 or maybe it was him, but he was fucking working for them. 01:11:09.620 --> 01:11:11.620 I don't know how you I don't know how you like. 01:11:12.160 --> 01:11:13.720 I don't know how anyone looks at that and says, 01:11:14.160 --> 01:11:15.140 that's crazy to think. 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:16.400 I'm not saying it's true. 01:11:16.700 --> 01:11:20.060 I'm just saying you have to give that a viable possibility. 01:11:20.440 --> 01:11:20.780 You have to. 01:11:21.320 --> 01:11:22.700 Or you're just not being honest about it. 01:11:22.880 --> 01:11:23.340 That's how I feel. 01:11:24.040 --> 01:11:24.640 I agree. 01:11:24.940 --> 01:11:27.920 And listen, you got you got to have tough conversations 01:11:28.780 --> 01:11:31.900 in a world where many things are at stake, 01:11:32.080 --> 01:11:34.860 including a lot of lives, a lot of lives. 01:11:35.060 --> 01:11:36.400 And these are these tough conversations 01:11:36.400 --> 01:11:39.640 and it it needs to happen more than it is. 01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:43.560 You know, and I'm from New Jersey. 01:11:44.060 --> 01:11:45.920 I'm not exactly a fan of Chris Christie. 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:47.580 It was the governor of the state for a while. 01:11:48.400 --> 01:11:48.920 But. 01:11:50.080 --> 01:11:52.580 You know, he's been talking more recently 01:11:53.620 --> 01:11:55.680 about his history with the Kushners, 01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:57.720 which is verifiable fact. 01:11:58.780 --> 01:12:03.140 You know, he was he was the prosecutor in the mid 2000s. 01:12:03.220 --> 01:12:05.200 He did run the case against Kushner's father, 01:12:05.340 --> 01:12:08.080 who is the fucking ambassador of France right now, 01:12:08.160 --> 01:12:09.140 which is insane. 01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:13.340 The the facts of the case were crystal clear 01:12:13.340 --> 01:12:16.260 as to what that was, the types of shit 01:12:16.260 --> 01:12:20.520 that guy was doing crystal clear far beyond just, 01:12:20.540 --> 01:12:22.860 you know, a fucking blackmail Hooker tape, 01:12:22.980 --> 01:12:24.280 which that sounds kind of 01:12:24.280 --> 01:12:25.520 sounds like a familiar tactic. 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:26.120 I don't know. 01:12:26.140 --> 01:12:26.600 It does. 01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:27.140 It does. 01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:31.480 But, you know, to see the influence 01:12:32.780 --> 01:12:35.400 that Jared has on the White House. 01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:37.600 It's all it's also very interesting that 01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:40.980 if you remember at the end of the last White House 01:12:41.540 --> 01:12:44.820 after January 6th, shortly after Jared Kushner 01:12:44.820 --> 01:12:47.240 in Ivanka Kushner released a joint statement saying 01:12:47.240 --> 01:12:49.260 they were stepping back from political life 01:12:49.780 --> 01:12:51.620 and didn't want to be involved. 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:56.040 As far as I know, Ivanka has kept to that. 01:12:57.020 --> 01:12:58.740 Jared has done the complete opposite. 01:12:59.060 --> 01:13:01.680 Jared, suddenly the fucking world's greatest Negotiator, 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:04.280 who can't negotiate shit, you know, 01:13:04.820 --> 01:13:07.680 he's going over there and negotiating with the Iranians. 01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:09.560 While you but while, you know, they're fucking 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:12.260 hit them on the page or the, you know, the fucking iPhone 01:13:12.260 --> 01:13:14.420 saying, yeah, we're about to drop a bomb up their ass. 01:13:14.420 --> 01:13:16.740 And he's like, run it, you know. 01:13:17.360 --> 01:13:20.080 And it's impossible. 01:13:20.580 --> 01:13:23.280 Like here's my thing, Clint. 01:13:23.740 --> 01:13:27.900 When you have the national security adviser of the UK. 01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:33.100 Flippendly, openly, nonchalantly. 01:13:33.580 --> 01:13:37.200 It is wasn't it was it's not like breaking news. 01:13:37.900 --> 01:13:41.540 Saying something like, yeah, I was president of the negotiations. 01:13:42.140 --> 01:13:43.480 Iran made some decent offers. 01:13:43.480 --> 01:13:48.740 But the problem is Kushner und Whitcov, the US Negotiators are 01:13:48.740 --> 01:13:49.740 Mossad assets. 01:13:50.980 --> 01:13:53.420 Does that automatically mean he's right? 01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:58.720 No. But think about how far we've gotten that the 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:03.160 national security adviser for the UK is casually telling 01:14:03.160 --> 01:14:06.340 the Guardian, like, yeah, you know, they work for Mossad. 01:14:06.480 --> 01:14:07.160 So what do you expect? 01:14:07.400 --> 01:14:08.840 They got bomb. Oh well. 01:14:09.660 --> 01:14:12.600 Well, and it would be it would be less believable 01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:16.940 if it weren't for the fact that the Omanian, I always forget 01:14:16.940 --> 01:14:19.720 how to say it, but the Oman Negotiators, who were the, who were 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:22.100 middleman, who were middlemaning negotiation, these most 01:14:22.100 --> 01:14:25.440 recent round of negotiations, because we had already blown 01:14:25.440 --> 01:14:27.300 them up during the last negotiation. 01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:29.360 So they're like, all right, bring in the Oman guys so 01:14:29.360 --> 01:14:30.260 that we can have a third party. 01:14:30.740 --> 01:14:31.700 They're saying the same thing. 01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:33.640 They're like, the Iranians offered fucking everything. 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:37.580 And basically Whitcov and Kushner again tanked it. 01:14:37.660 --> 01:14:39.060 And then they fucking murdered the Negotiators. 01:14:39.060 --> 01:14:42.340 It's like, I don't, and then you have the UK guy saying that. 01:14:42.480 --> 01:14:45.720 It's like, yeah, I mean, what, what other conclusion can you come to? 01:14:46.040 --> 01:14:47.640 And then you add in the fact that fucking Jared Kushner 01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:51.660 had to sleep in his bed when he was a kid, the fuck out of here. 01:14:52.440 --> 01:14:52.740 It's great. 01:14:53.200 --> 01:14:56.520 And like, and like you find, you trace, you trace Jared 01:14:56.520 --> 01:15:00.860 Kushner hanging around Leon Black for decades at this point, 01:15:01.320 --> 01:15:02.760 hanging around Elon Maxwell. 01:15:02.940 --> 01:15:04.880 I can pull up these pictures, right? 01:15:05.220 --> 01:15:08.780 Hanging around all these people in the Epstein files 01:15:08.780 --> 01:15:10.880 him and his brother, particularly his brother. 01:15:11.200 --> 01:15:13.400 And we're Epstein clearly has a relationship with them. 01:15:14.040 --> 01:15:17.660 Like, at some point, Clint, you know, I'm not a biologist, 01:15:17.860 --> 01:15:22.300 but walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, fucks like a duck, swims like a duck. 01:15:23.260 --> 01:15:23.940 It's a duck. 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:30.280 And like, I don't know why this is so hard for people to see. 01:15:30.540 --> 01:15:32.400 But like, you know. 01:15:33.700 --> 01:15:35.840 And it pains me because he's from New Jersey. 01:15:36.940 --> 01:15:39.980 I don't like selling out my own people, but like. 01:15:41.180 --> 01:15:42.600 Well, if it makes you feel any better, 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.520 he doesn't consider you his people at all, in my opinion. 01:15:46.200 --> 01:15:50.320 Here, I run this clip from Alex about Bongino, another fraud. 01:15:50.480 --> 01:15:51.880 They call him a traitor and attacking. 01:15:52.140 --> 01:15:55.760 It's disgusting and damn Bongino attacking Joe Kent. 01:15:55.980 --> 01:15:59.780 I mean, it is just so cowardly, absolutely disgusting. 01:16:00.080 --> 01:16:01.220 I don't even want to attack Bongino. 01:16:01.980 --> 01:16:04.080 He has just become such a shameful person, 01:16:04.780 --> 01:16:07.460 but he's just bought and paid for by the Israel lobby, folks. 01:16:07.700 --> 01:16:09.860 And I just, you know, I'm not the guy that says everything's Israel, 01:16:09.980 --> 01:16:14.740 but now it is Israel, everything people worried about, 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:16.840 things that Pat Buchanan was worried about on foreign policy. 01:16:17.220 --> 01:16:18.480 He was right about, but he never thought 01:16:18.480 --> 01:16:19.800 they actually run the whole government. 01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:23.160 I mean, this and they're doing all against our own interests, folks. 01:16:23.300 --> 01:16:24.280 In the end, Israel's on efforts. 01:16:24.820 --> 01:16:26.740 Israel's thinking that young was thinking about staying in power. 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.720 You know, it's a sales plan of greater Israel and stuff. 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:31.740 It's delusional. 01:16:32.340 --> 01:16:36.800 So Alex has been a major holdout on this topic. 01:16:37.140 --> 01:16:40.660 And he is, my read on Alex has been, as a long time fan of his, 01:16:40.820 --> 01:16:42.880 you probably were inspired by him to get into this world, 01:16:42.900 --> 01:16:47.280 because most of us were, but, you know, a long time fan of Alex Jones. 01:16:47.460 --> 01:16:49.220 I was very disappointed in him. 01:16:49.400 --> 01:16:52.300 And my read of it was he was carrying water 01:16:52.300 --> 01:16:53.060 for the Trump administration, 01:16:53.060 --> 01:16:55.100 because he was facing a billion dollars in fines. 01:16:55.100 --> 01:16:59.360 And he felt as if he had basically received a reprieve almost 01:16:59.360 --> 01:17:01.200 by Donald Trump winning in 24. 01:17:01.440 --> 01:17:03.720 So he's going to be as optimistic 01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:05.980 and spin things as positively as possible. 01:17:06.400 --> 01:17:07.740 But even that guy, Alex Jones, 01:17:07.780 --> 01:17:09.760 who for the past year had been carrying water 01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:10.920 for the Trump administration, 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:12.880 it's just saying it flat out. 01:17:13.040 --> 01:17:15.360 He's like, damn, Bongino was clearly compromised 01:17:15.360 --> 01:17:16.380 by the Israel lobby. 01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:17.540 It's like crystal clear. 01:17:18.160 --> 01:17:20.860 So I just think it's, we're at this tipping point 01:17:20.860 --> 01:17:22.580 where like either you're going to be honest 01:17:22.580 --> 01:17:23.380 about these things, 01:17:24.260 --> 01:17:26.340 or your audience is just not fucking with you. 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:28.240 Like they just don't care what you have to say. 01:17:29.160 --> 01:17:30.380 And I think that's healthy. 01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:31.280 I think it's a good thing. 01:17:32.740 --> 01:17:34.520 Bongino was one, we, we had a, 01:17:35.020 --> 01:17:37.540 when I was talking with Mike Yagley in Episode 351 01:17:37.540 --> 01:17:38.960 back in Oktober, I was saying, 01:17:39.100 --> 01:17:40.300 that was the guy I was watching. 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:42.280 So I always made fun of damn Bongino. 01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:43.520 Like he was like a really, 01:17:44.280 --> 01:17:45.580 look at all this shit. 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:47.300 You know, like had to show that his vein 01:17:47.300 --> 01:17:49.100 would be popping on camera and whatever. 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.780 And obviously he and I have a lot of political differences. 01:17:51.780 --> 01:17:54.680 But like, I respected the fact that, 01:17:55.180 --> 01:17:56.820 you know, he left his life 01:17:56.820 --> 01:17:58.540 where he's making a lot of money to go. 01:17:59.460 --> 01:18:01.060 I guess try to clean up the FBI. 01:18:01.480 --> 01:18:04.280 I didn't really know what he worked in Secret Service. 01:18:04.460 --> 01:18:05.620 I wasn't really sure of the qualification, 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:07.940 but I'm like, hey, can't be worse than it was, right? 01:18:08.300 --> 01:18:10.580 Like good for him, you know? 01:18:11.080 --> 01:18:13.740 And then I would watch him come out 01:18:13.740 --> 01:18:17.140 in these interviews next to Cash Patel 01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:19.240 while he was working there. 01:18:19.360 --> 01:18:20.320 And he looked like a hostage. 01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:24.100 You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. 01:18:25.180 --> 01:18:26.300 People don't believe it. 01:18:26.500 --> 01:18:27.480 Well, I mean, listen, 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:30.360 they have a right to their opinion, 01:18:30.500 --> 01:18:33.060 but as someone who has worked as a public defender, 01:18:33.220 --> 01:18:35.220 as a prosecutor who's been in that prison system, 01:18:35.320 --> 01:18:36.960 who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, 01:18:37.180 --> 01:18:38.560 who's been in segregated housing, 01:18:39.460 --> 01:18:41.280 you know a suicide when you see one, 01:18:41.400 --> 01:18:42.180 and that's what that was. 01:18:43.280 --> 01:18:44.200 He killed himself. 01:18:45.120 --> 01:18:48.040 You again, you want me to, I've seen the whole file. 01:18:48.320 --> 01:18:48.960 He killed himself. 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:50.760 I mean, that vein in his forehead, 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:53.500 instead of anger, was just like stress, 01:18:54.160 --> 01:18:56.060 where you're like, bro, like, you know, 01:18:56.340 --> 01:18:57.420 do you want his annex? 01:18:57.860 --> 01:18:58.780 Like relax. 01:18:59.180 --> 01:19:01.680 And it felt like the weight of the world 01:19:02.160 --> 01:19:03.040 was on his shoulders. 01:19:03.260 --> 01:19:04.820 And so the popular thing right now 01:19:05.260 --> 01:19:07.820 would be to just shred Dan Boncino. 01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:09.960 If you looked at my Twitter, maybe you think I am, 01:19:10.100 --> 01:19:13.300 but like, I feel bad for him a little bit. 01:19:13.500 --> 01:19:15.080 And maybe I won't, 01:19:15.220 --> 01:19:18.020 maybe I'll just realize he's in on it at some point for sure. 01:19:18.490 --> 01:19:20.160 But when I see Dan Boncino, 01:19:20.360 --> 01:19:22.080 like the video I saw the other night, 01:19:23.200 --> 01:19:25.220 where, you know, he was confronted in public, 01:19:26.400 --> 01:19:28.340 and you just see this dude, 01:19:28.460 --> 01:19:30.540 who used to be this like really tough guy, 01:19:30.740 --> 01:19:32.220 just reduced to rubble. 01:19:32.580 --> 01:19:34.240 He is a broken man. 01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:38.100 He is, his soul is shattered. 01:19:38.820 --> 01:19:40.720 In my opinion, I don't know the guy. 01:19:40.820 --> 01:19:41.840 It's just how it looks to me. 01:19:42.240 --> 01:19:46.080 He is completely destroyed. 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:51.280 And I want to know what it is that destroyed him. 01:19:51.860 --> 01:19:55.960 Maybe it is as simple as like they blackmailed him. 01:19:56.140 --> 01:19:56.940 I don't know. 01:19:57.640 --> 01:19:59.860 But there's clearly dark things. 01:20:00.140 --> 01:20:02.360 I mean, this isn't inventing 01:20:02.360 --> 01:20:03.700 any kind of fucking wheel right here. 01:20:03.780 --> 01:20:05.240 There's obviously extremely dark things 01:20:05.240 --> 01:20:06.400 that happen behind the scenes. 01:20:06.940 --> 01:20:09.260 And I guess you can't fully know what that is 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:11.060 until you deal with it. 01:20:11.200 --> 01:20:13.420 But like, does that make you then a coward 01:20:13.420 --> 01:20:15.820 for carrying water for it afterwards? 01:20:16.320 --> 01:20:19.700 Or are there things that someone like that 01:20:19.700 --> 01:20:22.140 knows through what he saw that realizes 01:20:22.140 --> 01:20:24.320 this is the least worst decision? 01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:25.480 I don't know. 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:28.020 I'd like to give a human being the opportunity 01:20:28.020 --> 01:20:30.040 to not be a total fucking scumbag. 01:20:30.200 --> 01:20:31.620 But yeah, there's a chance 01:20:31.620 --> 01:20:33.160 that he is being like a total coward. 01:20:33.980 --> 01:20:35.240 It's very possible. 01:20:35.580 --> 01:20:38.500 But I feel bad that, 01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:40.680 like, I don't know. 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:42.760 Like, it's a very different feeling 01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:44.800 than I used to have in the past looking at him. 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:46.680 We're just like, oh God, what's this guy gonna say now? 01:20:46.820 --> 01:20:48.980 Now it's like, damn, you're really broken. 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:50.220 What happened? 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:51.980 Do you need to talk to somebody? 01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:55.000 I speak, it speaks highly to humanity 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:57.580 to try and see the humanity in some like Dan Boncino. 01:20:57.860 --> 01:21:00.620 But I gotta be honest with you, I'm not there yet. 01:21:01.160 --> 01:21:05.920 I'm in the mode of this guy made his name 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:08.880 off of pretending to be the badass, 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:11.120 the guy that will go into the fucking fire 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:13.100 and deal with the corruption. 01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:16.020 And then he went in there, he did fuck all. 01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.500 And then he covered up a human trafficking ring, 01:21:19.620 --> 01:21:20.920 whether or not you believe it's, you know, 01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:24.820 all the way down to very, very young girls, whatever. 01:21:25.080 --> 01:21:26.100 It was definitely human trafficking 01:21:26.480 --> 01:21:28.780 and definitely a spying in blackmail operation 01:21:28.780 --> 01:21:30.640 as far as I can tell amongst other things. 01:21:31.160 --> 01:21:31.740 And then it's like, 01:21:32.820 --> 01:21:35.280 and then you fucking come back out 01:21:35.280 --> 01:21:37.260 and then you smear someone like Joe Kent. 01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:39.800 I just, I can't fuck with this guy at all. 01:21:39.980 --> 01:21:42.220 And as far as I'm concerned, everywhere he goes, 01:21:42.440 --> 01:21:43.660 that ought to be the treatment he receives. 01:21:44.060 --> 01:21:45.540 In the same world, in the same world, 01:21:45.660 --> 01:21:46.540 it shouldn't just be him though. 01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:49.200 It should be Rubio and JD Vance 01:21:49.200 --> 01:21:51.060 and Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard. 01:21:51.180 --> 01:21:52.800 Oh my God, I'm so disappointed in her. 01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:55.780 And basically everybody that's still in this administration 01:21:55.780 --> 01:21:57.160 who isn't doing the right thing, 01:21:57.240 --> 01:21:58.980 who isn't taking the opportunity to stand up 01:21:58.980 --> 01:22:01.140 and speak unpopular truths in a time 01:22:01.140 --> 01:22:04.000 when we desperately need it when the war is, you know, 01:22:04.060 --> 01:22:06.020 on the brink of turning into something really catastrophic. 01:22:06.620 --> 01:22:08.900 That's why I'm going to respect Joe Kent, 01:22:09.040 --> 01:22:10.960 despite his brief stand with the CIA 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:13.340 and just take him at face value at this junction 01:22:13.340 --> 01:22:15.480 because that's what we need to see. 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:17.400 If we don't back up a guy like that, 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:19.620 then why would you expect anybody else 01:22:19.620 --> 01:22:21.200 to go out there, put their neck on the line 01:22:21.200 --> 01:22:22.600 and tell the truth when we need it most? 01:22:23.480 --> 01:22:26.000 Yeah, see, the thing I just said before that, 01:22:26.140 --> 01:22:29.140 if it's clipped up, won't be my full thoughts, 01:22:29.260 --> 01:22:30.220 they'll be taken out of context 01:22:30.220 --> 01:22:32.740 and I'll get killed for it and probably deserve it. 01:22:32.740 --> 01:22:36.680 But to give you a larger picture of that, 01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:37.740 what I'm getting at, 01:22:38.900 --> 01:22:41.220 I'll just use an example, something we know about here. 01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:43.560 What if they went to people like Bon Gino 01:22:44.480 --> 01:22:45.760 and said, hey, Malaka, 01:22:46.440 --> 01:22:48.100 you familiar with the Samson option? 01:22:48.900 --> 01:22:52.360 Right, shut your mouth. 01:22:53.060 --> 01:22:54.840 It's a distinct possibility, but still. 01:22:55.020 --> 01:22:57.700 And if that is the case with all these people 01:22:57.700 --> 01:22:59.060 and I found that out in the afterlife, 01:22:59.420 --> 01:23:01.040 I would apologize to them for all the ripping 01:23:01.040 --> 01:23:01.800 I'm doing of them. 01:23:02.280 --> 01:23:02.660 No, no, no. 01:23:02.660 --> 01:23:05.100 Because that's somehow even worse. 01:23:05.660 --> 01:23:07.960 I think that's probably the only angle 01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:10.020 at which their decision making makes sense. 01:23:10.140 --> 01:23:11.880 I completely agree with your analysis on them. 01:23:12.140 --> 01:23:16.880 And I'm at my core, I want to be sympathetic to it, 01:23:17.040 --> 01:23:19.560 but it's just like, we don't have time for that. 01:23:20.160 --> 01:23:21.000 Does that make sense? 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:25.420 We needed heroes, we needed heroic action. 01:23:25.860 --> 01:23:27.220 These guys pretended to be that 01:23:27.220 --> 01:23:29.040 and then they get into the position where they have, 01:23:29.670 --> 01:23:32.680 by all appearances, the power to be that 01:23:33.290 --> 01:23:35.380 and then they're fucking just absolutely not. 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:37.920 And worse, they're actually demonizing 01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:40.460 the few people who are behaving in a heroic fashion, 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:43.200 like Thomas Messi or Joe Kent. 01:23:43.380 --> 01:23:45.340 And it's just like, all right, at this one. 01:23:45.440 --> 01:23:47.100 So I do want to go back to your point though 01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:48.560 of the Samson option. 01:23:48.820 --> 01:23:50.540 I think that's a distinct possibility. 01:23:50.740 --> 01:23:52.020 I really do, I believe it's a real thing. 01:23:52.360 --> 01:23:55.360 But that gives whole new meaning 01:23:55.360 --> 01:23:58.000 to Whitney Webb's One Nation Under Blackmail. 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:01.780 I mean, that means the world is under blackmail at that point. 01:24:02.440 --> 01:24:03.800 And at what point do we just say, 01:24:04.080 --> 01:24:07.920 okay, maybe you do have nukes that are set up on a hair trigger, 01:24:08.200 --> 01:24:11.160 sitting under LA and Miami and New York 01:24:11.160 --> 01:24:12.720 and who knows where else, right? 01:24:14.300 --> 01:24:16.760 Are we just gonna let this nation of 10 million people 01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:20.900 control the globe in fear for in perpetuity? 01:24:21.160 --> 01:24:23.080 Like, I don't know, it just seems like 01:24:23.080 --> 01:24:27.520 at some point, even if it ends up in catastrophe, 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:29.580 we can't function like that forever. 01:24:30.380 --> 01:24:32.420 It's so strange too, cause it's like, 01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:33.760 at the end of the day, 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:35.500 we shouldn't even be having this conversation 01:24:35.500 --> 01:24:38.320 because you got a nation of 9 million people. 01:24:39.020 --> 01:24:40.820 I don't even have their GDP in front of us, 01:24:40.860 --> 01:24:42.140 but it's nowhere near ours, right? 01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:46.480 That has a distinct part of their government 01:24:46.480 --> 01:24:48.280 that's just kind of insane 01:24:48.860 --> 01:24:51.400 and is causing all these problems with us. 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:55.120 And it's like when you're out on a boat in Jersey. 01:24:55.120 --> 01:24:56.980 We have green heads up here, 01:24:57.020 --> 01:24:57.820 are you familiar with those? 01:24:58.700 --> 01:25:00.320 Green head flies, the motherfuckers, 01:25:00.340 --> 01:25:03.100 they eat you alive, they're terrible, right? 01:25:03.300 --> 01:25:04.660 It's like a green head 01:25:05.120 --> 01:25:06.680 that you just can't just be like, 01:25:07.260 --> 01:25:09.100 go the other boat or whatever 01:25:09.100 --> 01:25:10.400 while you're trying to sail 01:25:10.400 --> 01:25:12.800 and focus on catching the shark out here, 01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:14.180 which to me is like a country 01:25:14.180 --> 01:25:17.720 with a GDP north of 20 trillion a year like China. 01:25:18.400 --> 01:25:20.240 So it's like, we can't even focus 01:25:20.240 --> 01:25:22.600 on the thing that actually is like a full threat 01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:25.200 because we're getting our ass fucking bit 01:25:25.200 --> 01:25:27.260 all over the place by a country 01:25:27.260 --> 01:25:29.480 that's supposed to be an ally, right? 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:32.220 Like, it's just, it's very annoying. 01:25:32.820 --> 01:25:33.740 The moral of that story, 01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:34.940 I don't know if that's the best visual, 01:25:35.100 --> 01:25:36.880 but it's extremely annoying to me 01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:38.900 because I'm wasting my time here 01:25:38.900 --> 01:25:41.260 and then I'm wasting my time with people 01:25:41.260 --> 01:25:44.700 who then also may be doing some fucking 01:25:44.700 --> 01:25:46.520 really sinister blackmail 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:48.840 just to make sure we do the little things little. 01:25:49.300 --> 01:25:51.760 Air quotes there that they need done 01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:54.140 that's gonna be at our own expense too. 01:25:54.440 --> 01:25:55.520 I don't fuck with that. 01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:58.100 And that's why, again, 01:25:58.660 --> 01:26:00.340 you wanna take things just like you said 01:26:00.340 --> 01:26:02.140 and you're right about this with a grain of salt. 01:26:02.900 --> 01:26:05.480 Most people have known who Joe Kent is for like a week. 01:26:06.340 --> 01:26:08.480 I only knew who he was cause he followed the show. 01:26:09.100 --> 01:26:10.800 I don't know if that was a good thing or bad thing 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:12.240 that the Director of Counterintelligence 01:26:12.240 --> 01:26:13.840 followed my show on multiple platforms, 01:26:14.160 --> 01:26:15.840 but whatever, I didn't know 01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:17.920 like a fuck ton of Adam or anything like that. 01:26:18.260 --> 01:26:20.020 So we're seeing what we can right now. 01:26:20.020 --> 01:26:22.780 Maybe it turns out he's a fucking lizard person 01:26:22.780 --> 01:26:23.920 like six months from now. 01:26:24.160 --> 01:26:24.720 I don't know. 01:26:25.020 --> 01:26:25.800 I hope he's not, 01:26:26.140 --> 01:26:29.700 but like you have to take what you can see right now. 01:26:29.940 --> 01:26:30.960 And like we said earlier, 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:34.040 does it look like some of the things he's saying 01:26:34.040 --> 01:26:35.420 like the math is math thing 01:26:35.420 --> 01:26:37.200 and it looks like the math is math thing. 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:40.240 And then even six days later, 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:42.320 this played out again. 01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:44.860 Like everything, what he said on Tucker 01:26:44.860 --> 01:26:45.800 about how this goes, 01:26:46.380 --> 01:26:47.380 where it's like, 01:26:47.460 --> 01:26:49.420 well, you have to kind of corral the Israelis 01:26:49.420 --> 01:26:52.220 to get them on board and make sure they follow directions. 01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:54.620 Wir waren die besten Besten. 01:26:54.660 --> 01:26:56.040 Wir waren besser als alle anderen. 01:26:56.320 --> 01:26:58.820 Die Geschichte eines ostdeutschen Startup-Wunders 01:26:58.820 --> 01:27:00.000 mit Millionen umsetzen. 01:27:00.420 --> 01:27:02.200 Unistar, das Unternehmen hinter 01:27:02.200 --> 01:27:03.540 ab in den Urlaub die E. 01:27:05.280 --> 01:27:07.420 Doch dann Betrugsvorwürfe. 01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:09.420 Das Unternehmen hat maßenhaft und schwer 01:27:09.420 --> 01:27:10.560 Rechtsverletzung begangen. 01:27:11.420 --> 01:27:13.160 Man war so hoch aufgestiegen, 01:27:13.300 --> 01:27:14.680 dass man sich für unverletzlich will. 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:15.880 Ab in den Urlaub, 01:27:16.060 --> 01:27:18.340 der Crash des Internet-Imperiums Unistar. 01:27:18.340 --> 01:27:20.520 Jetzt in der ARD Sound app 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:22.360 und überall, wo es Podcasts gibt. 01:27:22.580 --> 01:27:25.540 You know, you see Trump put out that all caps 01:27:25.540 --> 01:27:28.540 tweet or true social, whatever the fuck it is, 01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.480 where he's like, you know, typos and all. 01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:33.500 You know, we're negotiating with Iran 01:27:33.500 --> 01:27:35.200 for a period of five days, whatever. 01:27:35.460 --> 01:27:36.320 We're talking with people. 01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:38.200 And a half hour later, 01:27:38.400 --> 01:27:40.060 the Israeli Air Force announces 01:27:40.060 --> 01:27:41.260 and I ratioed them on Twitter, 01:27:41.380 --> 01:27:41.960 which was kind of funny. 01:27:42.340 --> 01:27:43.360 But they announced that like, 01:27:43.480 --> 01:27:45.260 they've become a whole new round of strikes 01:27:45.260 --> 01:27:48.000 on all the shit that Trump said in his letter. 01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:49.220 They weren't going to do. 01:27:49.700 --> 01:27:50.840 And so again, I ask, 01:27:51.120 --> 01:27:53.220 why is his small nation fucking 01:27:53.220 --> 01:27:54.740 shitting all over our president 01:27:54.740 --> 01:27:55.820 when he goes to do something 01:27:55.820 --> 01:27:58.180 to the point that then he's on the tarmac 01:27:58.180 --> 01:27:59.200 three hours later 01:27:59.200 --> 01:28:01.280 and not only does he not call them out, 01:28:01.540 --> 01:28:02.860 but when he gets asked 01:28:02.860 --> 01:28:04.540 who he's negotiating with in Iran, 01:28:05.140 --> 01:28:06.960 he's like, well, I don't want to tell you 01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:08.420 because I don't want them to end up dead. 01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:10.260 Who the fuck would be killing him? 01:28:11.120 --> 01:28:12.040 We all know. 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:13.300 Just say it. 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:15.300 Just fucking say it. 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:17.040 Like, what? 01:28:17.240 --> 01:28:19.720 Who do I got a fuck for Donald Trump? 01:28:20.220 --> 01:28:22.640 That's a bad term to use with this whole example. 01:28:23.160 --> 01:28:25.260 But to call up Benjamin Netanyahu and say, 01:28:25.340 --> 01:28:26.800 you do that again, you're out. 01:28:27.460 --> 01:28:27.920 Yeah, man. 01:28:28.260 --> 01:28:30.240 I don't know why this is so hard. 01:28:31.040 --> 01:28:33.600 Well, and that's that's the 01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:34.520 that's the whole reason 01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:36.840 we spent the first hour talking about 01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:38.680 whether it was Butler, whether it was Epstein. 01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:39.620 Like, it's something. 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:41.080 Like, it's obviously something 01:28:41.080 --> 01:28:44.040 because especially as much of a fucking 01:28:44.700 --> 01:28:46.460 Egotist as Donald Trump is, 01:28:47.020 --> 01:28:49.200 you know, you know, anybody else 01:28:49.200 --> 01:28:50.660 were to undermine Trump 01:28:50.660 --> 01:28:52.060 the way Netanyahu has, 01:28:52.720 --> 01:28:55.180 he would be demolishing them dead. 01:28:55.580 --> 01:28:57.020 I mean, he just never does. 01:28:57.320 --> 01:28:58.420 He just constantly backpedals. 01:28:58.540 --> 01:28:59.700 Like, he'll get angry for a second 01:28:59.700 --> 01:29:01.700 and he'll be like, all right, 01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:03.300 I got a got a backpedal off this. 01:29:03.400 --> 01:29:04.820 And that's what he does over and over 01:29:04.820 --> 01:29:05.480 and over again. 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:07.940 And it's just it's amazing to me 01:29:07.940 --> 01:29:10.180 that there are any people 01:29:10.180 --> 01:29:11.980 who continue to defend this. 01:29:11.980 --> 01:29:13.260 Like, if you're if you're actually 01:29:13.260 --> 01:29:14.320 paying attention to the stuff 01:29:14.320 --> 01:29:15.720 that you and I are talking about right now, 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:17.720 I don't know how you come to any other conclusion. 01:29:18.260 --> 01:29:20.280 Like, I say this every fucking week. 01:29:20.420 --> 01:29:22.080 It feels like I'm friends with Tim Pool. 01:29:22.420 --> 01:29:23.940 Like in real life, I liked him a lot. 01:29:24.060 --> 01:29:24.620 He's a good guy, 01:29:25.900 --> 01:29:27.580 but I don't know how he doesn't 01:29:27.580 --> 01:29:28.980 see what you and I see about this. 01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:32.020 For the life of me, I can't figure it out. 01:29:33.080 --> 01:29:35.000 And then it just makes me feel as if, you know, 01:29:35.080 --> 01:29:39.120 it's it's his lane that he's in. 01:29:39.420 --> 01:29:40.120 You know, he's got a 01:29:40.120 --> 01:29:42.120 He's got a reporter at the White House 01:29:42.120 --> 01:29:43.360 to impress briefings now. 01:29:43.860 --> 01:29:44.960 He wants to have on Congressman. 01:29:45.300 --> 01:29:46.680 He wants to have on JD Benz. 01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:47.880 He had Donald Trump on his show. 01:29:48.240 --> 01:29:49.500 It's like he chose that lane. 01:29:50.460 --> 01:29:52.900 And even though I think at his core, 01:29:53.180 --> 01:29:54.980 he's an honest guy who wants to do right 01:29:54.980 --> 01:29:56.200 by the country and by people. 01:29:56.940 --> 01:29:59.120 It just seems like there's a conflict 01:29:59.120 --> 01:30:00.800 of interest there that just forces 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:03.060 his brain to shut the fuck off 01:30:03.060 --> 01:30:05.640 when he sees stuff that is so obviously 01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:08.460 a problem, like a deep, deep problem. 01:30:09.020 --> 01:30:09.740 And it's not just him. 01:30:09.820 --> 01:30:11.320 I just bring up Tim because he's one of the few guys 01:30:11.320 --> 01:30:12.640 I actually know in real life and like, 01:30:13.240 --> 01:30:14.740 but this is like pervasive. 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:17.720 And then there's obviously the layer of Paola 01:30:17.720 --> 01:30:20.160 and money that's going out to other influencers 01:30:20.160 --> 01:30:22.080 that are like literally writing their scripts. 01:30:23.140 --> 01:30:25.000 It just makes for a very dark time. 01:30:25.160 --> 01:30:27.740 I will say though, on the positive side, 01:30:28.180 --> 01:30:30.540 it has opened up lanes for people like you and I 01:30:30.540 --> 01:30:32.240 that never would have existed. 01:30:33.180 --> 01:30:35.280 And it is, I mean, the fact that 01:30:35.280 --> 01:30:39.840 you look at the top five political podcasters in America, 01:30:40.740 --> 01:30:41.760 I don't think you're there yet, 01:30:41.860 --> 01:30:42.640 but you're getting up there. 01:30:43.040 --> 01:30:46.000 It's like, you've got Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:50.040 Megan Kelly, there's one other I'm blanking on, 01:30:50.500 --> 01:30:52.420 but like Shapiro and all, what's that? 01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:55.080 Sean probably, Sean Ryan. 01:30:55.380 --> 01:30:56.700 Oh yeah, no, no, no, for sure. 01:30:56.820 --> 01:30:58.340 I just don't think of him as purely political 01:30:58.340 --> 01:30:59.280 even though I probably should. 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:01.320 But anyways, like the more, the more like 01:31:02.220 --> 01:31:04.160 clearly right-wing political commentators 01:31:04.160 --> 01:31:04.900 that are in the top 10, 01:31:05.520 --> 01:31:06.800 all of them are against this war. 01:31:07.400 --> 01:31:08.740 And I just think, you know, 01:31:08.780 --> 01:31:10.040 they're trying to pretend as if 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:12.020 the podcast world doesn't matter 01:31:12.020 --> 01:31:13.740 even though clearly the podcast world 01:31:13.740 --> 01:31:15.580 is what got Trump back into power. 01:31:16.360 --> 01:31:18.080 But I think the more important thing right now 01:31:18.080 --> 01:31:20.520 is that the highest profile people, 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:21.560 the people with growing audiences, 01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:22.860 like everybody else is diminishing. 01:31:23.280 --> 01:31:25.240 Like even though you and I aren't in the top 10, 01:31:25.540 --> 01:31:26.260 we're fucking growing, 01:31:27.080 --> 01:31:29.300 like everybody else Shapiro and all these guys Levin, 01:31:29.460 --> 01:31:31.180 they're like, they're basically non-entities. 01:31:31.180 --> 01:31:33.900 They're gonna be total non-entities in a couple of years. 01:31:34.360 --> 01:31:37.040 So, I guess in the short term, it's very frustrating, 01:31:37.280 --> 01:31:38.500 but like in the long term, 01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:40.240 I think that we're headed in the right direction. 01:31:40.620 --> 01:31:42.240 I don't know, I'm trying to fucking find something positive 01:31:42.240 --> 01:31:42.900 to talk about here. 01:31:43.080 --> 01:31:47.700 Yeah, and I think about the long term always 01:31:47.700 --> 01:31:48.640 and that's what I do. 01:31:48.740 --> 01:31:51.480 And to be clear, like I'm not a political podcast 01:31:51.480 --> 01:31:53.960 or you've seen me, like you and I connected 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:56.720 cause you've seen the recent like Iran and Epstein thing. 01:31:57.200 --> 01:31:59.160 The Epstein thing is simultaneously 01:31:59.580 --> 01:32:02.160 the easiest and hardest story I've ever covered. 01:32:02.700 --> 01:32:04.940 It's the hardest cause it's the darkest shit I've ever seen 01:32:04.940 --> 01:32:06.700 and it has changed my world view 01:32:06.700 --> 01:32:08.480 on like how things actually work. 01:32:08.980 --> 01:32:12.600 It is the easiest cause it is the most bipartisan story 01:32:12.600 --> 01:32:13.620 of my lifetime. 01:32:13.820 --> 01:32:15.920 They're all guilty, left, right, indifferent. 01:32:16.300 --> 01:32:19.240 I am completely free to shred people. 01:32:19.480 --> 01:32:20.400 It's fucking amazing 01:32:20.400 --> 01:32:23.240 because my podcast is dead fucking down the middle. 01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:26.060 I bring people from all different sides of the spectrum. 01:32:26.820 --> 01:32:28.820 And this is no shot at all. 01:32:28.820 --> 01:32:31.300 To people, but if we're talking about my podcast 01:32:31.300 --> 01:32:34.760 like it were, like I were a Megan Kelly 01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:37.740 or a Tucker Carlson or something like that 01:32:37.740 --> 01:32:38.960 five years from now I failed. 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:41.260 Because that's not what I want to do. 01:32:41.540 --> 01:32:43.860 I take the journalistic integrity very seriously. 01:32:44.100 --> 01:32:47.440 That's why I set at the outset this issue 01:32:47.940 --> 01:32:50.540 of the Iran war where my guys, 01:32:50.820 --> 01:32:53.580 our guys are now going over there and dying. 01:32:54.860 --> 01:32:58.060 This is again, it's very similar to Epstein. 01:32:58.060 --> 01:33:00.380 It ain't left, it ain't right. 01:33:01.100 --> 01:33:03.420 It's a fucking issue for our lives 01:33:03.420 --> 01:33:06.460 and the future of America as it fucking stands. 01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:09.640 And the left and right is largely against this. 01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:10.780 And I think it's a moment 01:33:10.780 --> 01:33:12.920 where there can be a little bit of unification. 01:33:13.500 --> 01:33:14.380 It's the funniest thing ever. 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:16.280 The two things that like Trump is like so, 01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:18.660 well, three things that Trump is so off on 01:33:18.660 --> 01:33:20.300 are the things that like the left and the right 01:33:20.300 --> 01:33:23.580 largely agree with, Iran, Israel and Epstein. 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:27.100 They're all like, yeah, let's go. 01:33:27.700 --> 01:33:31.340 Like literally the dude wearing the nom hat 01:33:31.340 --> 01:33:33.720 and the chick with pink hair and a nose ring 01:33:34.300 --> 01:33:35.580 agree on these things. 01:33:36.100 --> 01:33:39.480 It should be a kumbaya, my lord session, but it's not. 01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:43.160 And that's where I'm trying to play a role to do that. 01:33:43.400 --> 01:33:46.980 But like, yeah, I think to dovetail off 01:33:46.980 --> 01:33:48.460 what you're saying where I think you're right 01:33:48.460 --> 01:33:50.500 is it is an incredible moment 01:33:51.240 --> 01:33:54.180 to be able to cover something honestly 01:33:56.680 --> 01:33:57.940 with incredible evidence 01:33:59.740 --> 01:34:03.280 and right the wrongs of coverage of things in the past 01:34:04.080 --> 01:34:06.060 like Iraq and like Vietnam. 01:34:07.620 --> 01:34:09.040 That is how I see this. 01:34:09.280 --> 01:34:11.280 And I don't give a fuck what part of the spectrum 01:34:11.280 --> 01:34:12.020 someone's on. 01:34:12.540 --> 01:34:14.460 If they are willing to do that 01:34:14.460 --> 01:34:16.480 and actually see the information 01:34:16.480 --> 01:34:18.760 and see what's going on here and cover it, 01:34:19.120 --> 01:34:21.540 they're my friend on this issue and I'm okay with that. 01:34:21.660 --> 01:34:24.160 And if I have to put aside a little bit of bias 01:34:25.740 --> 01:34:28.200 or if I have to inject a little bit of bias, 01:34:28.320 --> 01:34:30.100 like I said earlier, I am on this issue 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.580 and put aside a little bit of journalism to do that. 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:35.740 This is the type of situation I would do that 01:34:35.740 --> 01:34:37.760 and it's the first time in my career I've done it 01:34:37.760 --> 01:34:38.560 and I'm okay with that. 01:34:39.040 --> 01:34:40.660 Yeah, no, I think that's totally fair. 01:34:41.200 --> 01:34:43.160 And I didn't bring up those names 01:34:43.160 --> 01:34:45.220 to put you in the same camp. 01:34:45.340 --> 01:34:47.760 I was just saying, I think why it's meaningful 01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:51.360 is that even though those are all right-wing influencers 01:34:51.360 --> 01:34:52.520 or commentators, 01:34:52.820 --> 01:34:55.880 is that they're all going against President Trump. 01:34:56.240 --> 01:34:58.080 They're all going against this war. 01:34:58.260 --> 01:35:00.500 They're all actually stepping out of line. 01:35:01.060 --> 01:35:01.640 And I think that that demonstrates- 01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:02.760 I have a counter-respect for it. 01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:04.140 A counter-respect for it. 01:35:04.300 --> 01:35:04.900 It's huge, fuck yeah. 01:35:05.940 --> 01:35:08.360 And see, by the way, seeing like Megan Kelly 01:35:08.360 --> 01:35:10.400 talk about this so hardcore 01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:14.060 over the last few months has been like shocking to me. 01:35:14.980 --> 01:35:18.800 And good on her, I mean, she's a tough woman, bro. 01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:20.240 Like she doesn't take any shit. 01:35:20.240 --> 01:35:22.260 Regardless of where she stood on shit, 01:35:22.420 --> 01:35:25.060 like she knows how to stand up for herself. 01:35:25.340 --> 01:35:27.980 And this is a hard place to stand up for yourself 01:35:27.980 --> 01:35:33.260 when we also had so much other shit happen 01:35:33.260 --> 01:35:34.200 a couple of years ago, 01:35:34.300 --> 01:35:38.360 where she had to put her spin on it and correctly so. 01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:39.560 And in many cases, 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:41.440 I think with the evidence lines up with that. 01:35:41.900 --> 01:35:43.020 And now it's like, wait a minute, 01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:45.820 now those same people are doing something. 01:35:46.180 --> 01:35:47.920 It's tough in that situation. 01:35:48.140 --> 01:35:49.180 I'm sure to backpedal. 01:35:49.700 --> 01:35:53.620 And I think she finds a way to run right into it, 01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:56.600 which is a really, that's an impressive skill. 01:35:57.200 --> 01:35:59.640 Yeah, well, and I think it's honestly courageous. 01:36:00.060 --> 01:36:01.540 I got to meet her for the first time, 01:36:02.160 --> 01:36:04.220 I don't know, five months ago or something like that in Miami. 01:36:04.980 --> 01:36:07.120 And I only had a couple minutes to talk to her. 01:36:07.280 --> 01:36:09.220 And literally all I said to her was like, 01:36:10.260 --> 01:36:12.240 tell the truth, never kneel. 01:36:12.500 --> 01:36:13.580 Cause she was really under fire. 01:36:13.720 --> 01:36:16.020 Cause she was not willing to abandon her relationship 01:36:16.020 --> 01:36:16.860 with Tucker Carlson. 01:36:16.860 --> 01:36:20.440 And she wasn't willing to basically rewrite the history 01:36:20.440 --> 01:36:22.420 of her friend, Charlie Kirk and, 01:36:22.620 --> 01:36:24.780 or give up on her friendship or not even friendship. 01:36:24.940 --> 01:36:26.700 She just wasn't willing to basically pile on 01:36:26.700 --> 01:36:28.140 to the Candace Owens hate wagon. 01:36:29.020 --> 01:36:31.320 And she was being attacked from all angles at that time. 01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:32.300 So I had a couple minutes 01:36:32.300 --> 01:36:33.160 and that's all I said to her. 01:36:33.280 --> 01:36:34.320 And she just looked me in the eye. 01:36:34.380 --> 01:36:35.560 And she's like, I really appreciate that. 01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:36.880 And it seemed, it seemed sincere. 01:36:37.020 --> 01:36:37.600 You never know, right? 01:36:38.240 --> 01:36:41.180 But the fact that she's gone on to be like, 01:36:41.360 --> 01:36:42.860 to not kneel, to tell the truth, 01:36:43.020 --> 01:36:44.440 to stand up when it matters. 01:36:44.560 --> 01:36:46.400 I was like fucking awesome. 01:36:46.400 --> 01:36:47.980 It makes me feel really good. 01:36:48.580 --> 01:36:51.440 And especially because my mom is such a huge fan of her. 01:36:51.860 --> 01:36:53.480 My mom listens to my show a little bit, 01:36:53.580 --> 01:36:55.160 but she loves Megan Kelly. 01:36:55.320 --> 01:36:57.240 So for Megan Kelly to be on our side 01:36:57.240 --> 01:36:59.720 on this particular war has helped me a lot. 01:36:59.820 --> 01:37:01.220 The fact that Tucker Carlson is doing it, 01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:03.520 I reach 100,000 people per show 01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:05.940 or some Tucker Carlson reaches millions. 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:08.660 So it just, it makes a big difference. 01:37:09.020 --> 01:37:11.720 So I try and both be defensive 01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:15.880 and boost anybody who I think is telling the truth. 01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:17.100 They don't have to agree with me. 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:19.500 But just if they're trying to tell the truth, 01:37:19.620 --> 01:37:20.500 like you're my people. 01:37:20.620 --> 01:37:22.040 And that's what I identified with you right away. 01:37:22.500 --> 01:37:24.880 I was like, oh, this guy is fucking about it. 01:37:25.280 --> 01:37:26.140 And I think- 01:37:26.140 --> 01:37:27.680 I'm trying, I don't want, 01:37:27.820 --> 01:37:30.480 and I really, that's a huge compliment, man. 01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:31.980 And I really, really appreciate that. 01:37:32.100 --> 01:37:34.140 At the same time, I think, 01:37:36.740 --> 01:37:39.300 I'ma put the ideas out there the best I can. 01:37:39.700 --> 01:37:42.820 But listen, for every hot take, there's a cold take too. 01:37:43.320 --> 01:37:43.680 Of course. 01:37:43.780 --> 01:37:47.420 I think people have to do their own work 01:37:47.420 --> 01:37:48.480 on everything as well, 01:37:48.580 --> 01:37:51.520 just cause my show might be entertaining 01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:52.740 and stuff like that doesn't mean 01:37:53.180 --> 01:37:55.520 I'm nail on everything by any stretch of the imagination. 01:37:55.820 --> 01:37:58.360 But I am doing my best to where I see things 01:37:58.360 --> 01:37:59.160 that are like evil. 01:38:00.080 --> 01:38:02.080 All right, let's shine a light on, 01:38:02.180 --> 01:38:04.060 especially things where if it's like in the past, 01:38:04.140 --> 01:38:05.020 I assumed it wasn't. 01:38:05.580 --> 01:38:07.240 Let's write that, let's write that wrong. 01:38:07.460 --> 01:38:08.740 At least personally, like on my end. 01:38:08.740 --> 01:38:09.940 Oh, of course, man. 01:38:09.940 --> 01:38:14.380 And I think that's what makes the industry, 01:38:14.580 --> 01:38:15.920 whatever this thing is that we do, 01:38:16.400 --> 01:38:18.280 so special to me is like, 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:20.020 I was inspired to get in this lane 01:38:20.020 --> 01:38:23.200 because I had just, I got sick of the lies. 01:38:23.540 --> 01:38:26.060 I was just so sick of being lied to constantly. 01:38:26.660 --> 01:38:28.440 I was so sick of seeing my country destroyed 01:38:28.440 --> 01:38:29.680 based off of lies 01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:31.760 and having media apparatchics 01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:34.100 that were perpetuating these lies shamelessly 01:38:34.100 --> 01:38:35.620 and still fucking existing, 01:38:35.820 --> 01:38:37.540 still like not going away in shame, 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:39.060 but just continuing to be, 01:38:39.060 --> 01:38:40.240 not just present, 01:38:40.420 --> 01:38:42.600 but fucking very high profile liars, 01:38:42.820 --> 01:38:44.380 like overt liars who got everything wrong 01:38:44.380 --> 01:38:45.320 for fucking decades. 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:47.900 And then suddenly with the Rogan wave 01:38:47.900 --> 01:38:49.220 and then everything else after that, 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:52.200 it's just like we're washing out so many 01:38:53.500 --> 01:38:55.940 just morally decrepit individuals. 01:38:56.600 --> 01:38:59.000 And now we're actually in the second wave, 01:38:59.220 --> 01:38:59.740 in my opinion, 01:38:59.960 --> 01:39:02.100 where a lot of the people that came in, 01:39:02.200 --> 01:39:03.040 in the Rogan wave 01:39:03.040 --> 01:39:05.720 are now also being proven to be frauds 01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:07.440 and liars and bought out and sold out 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:10.060 and blackmailed potentially. 01:39:10.860 --> 01:39:12.960 And now hopefully they're gonna be replaced too. 01:39:13.360 --> 01:39:15.560 And I see, I've already complimented you once, 01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:16.240 but I'm gonna say it again. 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:18.620 I think you're one of those guys 01:39:18.620 --> 01:39:20.420 who is in that second wave now 01:39:20.420 --> 01:39:22.840 that's like actually it's cresting 01:39:22.840 --> 01:39:25.000 and I feel like we have a real chance 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:27.100 to break the back of, 01:39:28.300 --> 01:39:29.940 it used to be corporate news 01:39:29.940 --> 01:39:31.420 that we were trying to break the back of. 01:39:31.780 --> 01:39:32.480 Now it's like, no, 01:39:32.580 --> 01:39:36.000 we need to break the fucking back of the indie news 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:37.180 who's actually corporate. 01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:37.940 Like those, 01:39:38.380 --> 01:39:40.320 that's the new war that we're in. 01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:44.600 I haven't heard someone else put this so eloquently, 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:47.160 but I think about this every day. 01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:49.040 There's this weird thing that happened 01:39:50.860 --> 01:39:52.140 where simultaneously 01:39:53.580 --> 01:39:56.240 you had independent media rise 01:39:56.920 --> 01:40:00.140 as the equal but opposite reaction 01:40:00.140 --> 01:40:01.780 to the mainstream media 01:40:01.780 --> 01:40:03.500 and the sins of mainstream media 01:40:03.500 --> 01:40:04.820 and everything that they did wrong. 01:40:05.780 --> 01:40:10.060 And the renegade rise gave rise to all these people 01:40:10.060 --> 01:40:12.220 who were like, yeah, we're the rebels. 01:40:13.320 --> 01:40:16.100 And then slowly the audience moved here 01:40:16.100 --> 01:40:20.100 and the rebels just by numbers for a second, 01:40:20.160 --> 01:40:22.540 stay with me here became the establishment. 01:40:23.420 --> 01:40:25.520 But then they actually decided 01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:27.120 that they wanted some of those things 01:40:27.120 --> 01:40:28.300 and here's what I mean by that. 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:31.600 How many fucking Podcast sets do you see now 01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:33.220 that look like they're trying to be 01:40:33.220 --> 01:40:34.760 what they think the mainstream would do 01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:35.760 with some big studio 01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:38.320 that have fucking 40 people with headsets behind there? 01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:41.940 You see a lot more of that now. 01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:45.120 I sleep on the other side of this wall. 01:40:45.700 --> 01:40:47.000 When people come over here, 01:40:47.120 --> 01:40:48.640 I don't always have a shirt on. 01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:50.980 There's protein powder on the counter sometimes. 01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:52.800 And like occasionally, 01:40:53.100 --> 01:40:54.660 I forget that there's not toilet paper 01:40:54.660 --> 01:40:56.040 in the other bathroom, it's my bed. 01:40:56.120 --> 01:40:57.200 I gotta do a better job with that. 01:40:57.280 --> 01:40:59.540 But like I go about my life. 01:40:59.720 --> 01:41:01.520 There's no difference from day one, 01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:04.160 six years ago, when I was in my parents house 01:41:04.160 --> 01:41:05.080 and decided to do this. 01:41:05.360 --> 01:41:06.320 Wir waren die besten. 01:41:06.680 --> 01:41:08.340 Wir waren besser als alle anderen. 01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:11.120 Die Geschichte eines ostdeutschen Start-up-Wunders 01:41:11.120 --> 01:41:12.280 mit Millionen umsetzen. 01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:14.500 UNISTER, das Unternehmen hinter 01:41:14.500 --> 01:41:15.680 ab in den Urlaub.de. 01:41:17.580 --> 01:41:19.700 Doch dann Betrugsvorwürfe. 01:41:19.860 --> 01:41:21.180 Das Unternehmen hat maßenhaft 01:41:21.180 --> 01:41:22.860 und schwer Rechtsverletzung begangen. 01:41:23.060 --> 01:41:24.000 Dubiose Geschäfte. 01:41:24.160 --> 01:41:25.460 Man war so hoch aufgestiegen, 01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:26.980 dass man sich für unverletzlich hielt. 01:41:27.300 --> 01:41:28.160 Ab in den Urlaub, 01:41:28.400 --> 01:41:30.620 der Crash des Internet-Imperiums UNISTER. 01:41:30.620 --> 01:41:32.840 Jetzt in der ARD Sound app. 01:41:33.020 --> 01:41:34.660 Und überall wo es Podcasts gibt. 01:41:35.020 --> 01:41:36.560 And that's the thing I always talk about 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:37.160 with my guys about. 01:41:37.240 --> 01:41:38.260 Like if we ever lost that, 01:41:38.340 --> 01:41:39.460 put three in the back of my head. 01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:40.500 Like it's over. 01:41:40.920 --> 01:41:41.760 Just it's over. 01:41:42.360 --> 01:41:43.220 There has to be like, 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:45.080 I think part of it is, 01:41:45.160 --> 01:41:46.660 people take themselves so fucking seriously. 01:41:47.300 --> 01:41:50.460 And it's like, I sit in here with someone, 01:41:50.600 --> 01:41:51.680 it's almost never live, right? 01:41:51.860 --> 01:41:53.120 So you know, we turn on cameras, 01:41:53.260 --> 01:41:54.040 no one knows it's happening. 01:41:54.400 --> 01:41:56.180 We talk, we turn off the cameras. 01:41:56.380 --> 01:41:58.460 Later I hit this magic button that says upload 01:41:58.460 --> 01:42:00.160 and I walk away and I come back 01:42:00.160 --> 01:42:01.320 and there's some numbers on the screen. 01:42:01.940 --> 01:42:02.020 Right. 01:42:02.320 --> 01:42:05.260 You know, like the rest of my life stays the same. 01:42:05.420 --> 01:42:07.360 And I think that some of the purity 01:42:07.360 --> 01:42:09.620 has been lost in a lot of independent media. 01:42:09.820 --> 01:42:10.960 And I also think, 01:42:11.580 --> 01:42:12.320 this is a conversation, 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:13.940 I'll never forget this one. 01:42:14.060 --> 01:42:17.160 I had a conversation with my buddy Tommy G. 01:42:17.440 --> 01:42:19.440 You familiar with him on YouTube? 01:42:20.260 --> 01:42:20.340 Nope. 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:21.440 Tommy G. 01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:23.220 He's a Documentarian on YouTube, 01:42:23.540 --> 01:42:24.540 does amazing work. 01:42:24.620 --> 01:42:25.840 He's been on my podcast a bunch, 01:42:25.900 --> 01:42:26.820 really close friend of mine. 01:42:27.860 --> 01:42:29.460 But I was talking with him 01:42:29.460 --> 01:42:32.400 the night of Trump's inauguration in 2025. 01:42:33.500 --> 01:42:35.140 And I said to him, I said, 01:42:35.300 --> 01:42:38.180 this is a real critical moment for independent, 01:42:39.380 --> 01:42:41.500 independent media right now. 01:42:41.580 --> 01:42:42.420 And he said, how so? 01:42:42.620 --> 01:42:43.000 And I said, 01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:48.180 you know, I wasn't fault in the guys in my industry. 01:42:48.340 --> 01:42:50.440 I do not like throwing stones from glass houses. 01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:51.100 I get it. 01:42:51.240 --> 01:42:53.200 It was a huge cultural moment, all that. 01:42:53.400 --> 01:42:54.760 Like the last administration, 01:42:54.980 --> 01:42:55.920 we already went through all the ways, 01:42:56.040 --> 01:42:56.860 they gaslit people, 01:42:57.080 --> 01:42:58.940 like not the least of which was censorship 01:42:58.940 --> 01:43:00.620 and the dangers that that was. 01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:02.120 That is crystal fucking clear. 01:43:02.700 --> 01:43:05.460 So that's a positive with Trump coming in. 01:43:05.580 --> 01:43:08.220 We've at least seen like that loosen up, 01:43:08.340 --> 01:43:09.980 I would say to this point. 01:43:10.060 --> 01:43:11.480 I will give him credit on that. 01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:13.540 Like I would say the landscape is a lot different 01:43:13.540 --> 01:43:15.580 in that respect. 01:43:15.940 --> 01:43:18.320 So of course people in independent media, 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:20.700 people way bigger than me by the way, 01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:24.440 understandably saw the importance of that 01:43:24.440 --> 01:43:26.260 and then maybe they attend the inauguration 01:43:26.260 --> 01:43:26.740 and all that. 01:43:26.740 --> 01:43:28.360 But I said, you know, 01:43:29.540 --> 01:43:31.160 I don't think you control where you get seated 01:43:31.160 --> 01:43:32.020 at the inauguration. 01:43:32.280 --> 01:43:35.220 But I said they seated Trump likes Joe Rogan a lot. 01:43:35.360 --> 01:43:36.240 So they seated him 01:43:37.040 --> 01:43:39.460 like basically just off the dais right there. 01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:41.540 And I said to Tommy, I said, 01:43:41.780 --> 01:43:43.860 you and I both know if that were Kamala 01:43:43.860 --> 01:43:45.920 being sworn in and that we're Anderson Cooper 01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:47.620 sitting there instead of Joe Rogan, 01:43:47.700 --> 01:43:49.420 everyone would be shredding him 01:43:49.420 --> 01:43:52.160 and they'd be a thousand percent right to do it. 01:43:52.540 --> 01:43:54.160 Now, do I think that Joe Rogan 01:43:54.160 --> 01:43:55.600 is at all complicit in a way 01:43:55.600 --> 01:43:57.980 that like an Anderson Cooper is absolutely not. 01:43:58.160 --> 01:43:59.740 But we live in a world, Clint, 01:43:59.960 --> 01:44:01.300 whether I like this or not. 01:44:01.420 --> 01:44:03.080 And to be clear, I fucking hate this. 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:06.120 But we live in a world where how things look 01:44:06.700 --> 01:44:09.940 matter more than how things are at the outset. 01:44:10.220 --> 01:44:11.640 And I fucking hate that, 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:13.420 but that is what it is. 01:44:13.780 --> 01:44:14.400 And so I'm like, 01:44:15.020 --> 01:44:18.940 we got to be careful with the cozying up and all that. 01:44:19.440 --> 01:44:20.780 You know, like, yes, 01:44:21.240 --> 01:44:23.220 in crazy cultural moment and all that, 01:44:23.220 --> 01:44:25.860 but you don't want to make the same mistakes 01:44:25.860 --> 01:44:27.580 from the other side maybe 01:44:28.080 --> 01:44:29.700 that mainstream media made, 01:44:29.860 --> 01:44:32.200 that made you be created in the first place. 01:44:32.320 --> 01:44:33.940 That's why when you look at any revolution, 01:44:34.280 --> 01:44:35.560 the day after the revolution, 01:44:35.780 --> 01:44:39.080 they are the fucking conservative establishment, right? 01:44:39.780 --> 01:44:42.000 The anarchist liberals become the fucking, 01:44:42.180 --> 01:44:44.920 if you do anything, we're gonna take your head off. 01:44:45.080 --> 01:44:46.880 That's just human history and what it is. 01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:49.460 But I think about this a lot. 01:44:50.280 --> 01:44:51.800 I've certainly made my own mistakes, 01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:54.480 but I try to keep that as a North Star, 01:44:54.700 --> 01:44:56.100 especially by the way, 01:44:56.340 --> 01:44:58.700 when it's way easier for me to do that. 01:44:58.840 --> 01:44:59.500 Case in point. 01:45:00.740 --> 01:45:03.400 All these guys who interviewed Trump 01:45:03.400 --> 01:45:05.000 on the way there on the campaign trail, 01:45:05.140 --> 01:45:05.760 all the big boys, 01:45:06.460 --> 01:45:08.400 that wasn't an option for me. 01:45:09.080 --> 01:45:11.480 If I had called up to try to get an interview with Trump, 01:45:11.560 --> 01:45:12.240 they would have been like, 01:45:12.780 --> 01:45:13.020 who? 01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:14.520 Who the fuck? 01:45:15.100 --> 01:45:16.280 Get the fuck out of here. 01:45:16.740 --> 01:45:19.840 Call the Secret Service, we got another one. 01:45:20.580 --> 01:45:22.020 It wasn't even an option. 01:45:22.500 --> 01:45:23.620 So easy for me to say, 01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:25.300 oh, I wouldn't have done that or whatever. 01:45:25.860 --> 01:45:27.980 But the way that that gets spun later, 01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:30.380 which I think is unfair by the way, 01:45:30.460 --> 01:45:32.160 cause all these shows invited Kamala 01:45:32.160 --> 01:45:33.540 and she refused to come on. 01:45:33.740 --> 01:45:34.360 So it's unfair. 01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:36.600 But the way it gets spun later, 01:45:37.500 --> 01:45:39.740 fucks up how you can stand on an issue, 01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:41.700 because you get these ad hominem attacks 01:45:41.700 --> 01:45:44.040 that are unfair, but it's just the way it is. 01:45:44.280 --> 01:45:44.680 You know what I mean? 01:45:45.220 --> 01:45:46.580 So I would like to think 01:45:46.580 --> 01:45:48.160 that if I hadn't had a guarantee 01:45:48.160 --> 01:45:49.800 that both of them would have come in, 01:45:50.180 --> 01:45:50.960 I wouldn't have done it, 01:45:51.020 --> 01:45:52.380 but I don't fucking know that. 01:45:53.100 --> 01:45:55.100 So I'm not gonna sit here and be like, for sure. 01:45:55.260 --> 01:45:56.700 I definitely would have said, sorry, Donald. 01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:58.460 She said no, so we're not doing it. 01:45:58.720 --> 01:46:01.580 That said, I'm dropping episode 400 tomorrow 01:46:01.580 --> 01:46:03.300 and I've always had a rule. 01:46:03.780 --> 01:46:04.980 Won't say it'll never change, 01:46:05.100 --> 01:46:06.600 but it's been consistent for six years. 01:46:06.740 --> 01:46:07.120 No politicians. 01:46:08.060 --> 01:46:09.560 I was just talking with one the other day, 01:46:09.980 --> 01:46:10.980 someone who's running for office 01:46:10.980 --> 01:46:12.560 that would do insane views. 01:46:12.860 --> 01:46:15.020 Someone I also on another issue 01:46:15.020 --> 01:46:17.760 that's not having to do with them running to office. 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:20.080 I just think has an amazing story. 01:46:20.620 --> 01:46:23.260 And I was like, fuck man, I'm sorry, I can't do it. 01:46:23.660 --> 01:46:24.600 You're running for office. 01:46:25.980 --> 01:46:30.160 And it's just, I have to be able to criticize 01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:32.840 or praise with no skin in the game. 01:46:33.480 --> 01:46:36.960 I have to be able to look at these people 01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:38.680 from the outside of the aquarium 01:46:38.680 --> 01:46:40.560 instead of swimming in the bowl with them. 01:46:40.700 --> 01:46:42.420 And that also includes what I do at the ballot box. 01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:44.120 That's why I write in, Journalist abstained 01:46:44.120 --> 01:46:45.140 for every single position. 01:46:45.140 --> 01:46:47.920 I don't vote on anything down the dog catcher. 01:46:48.500 --> 01:46:51.740 I gotta be able to be like, fuck you or great job. 01:46:52.620 --> 01:46:54.780 Yeah, no, I think that's a good rule. 01:46:55.220 --> 01:46:58.160 And I have had politicians on, I had Vivek Ramaswamy on. 01:46:58.740 --> 01:47:01.420 I actually debated him at the Libertarian National Convention. 01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:05.240 And I'll just, you're right, I was biased towards him 01:47:05.240 --> 01:47:06.280 as a consequence of that. 01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:07.840 It's irrefutable. 01:47:08.580 --> 01:47:10.840 Once you humanize these people, 01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:12.880 which if you're dealing with a charismatic political figure, 01:47:13.400 --> 01:47:15.820 naturally they're going to humanize themselves to you. 01:47:15.920 --> 01:47:16.980 That's like what their job is, right? 01:47:18.340 --> 01:47:20.020 And I think that it made me biased towards him. 01:47:20.180 --> 01:47:21.420 So I gotta reflect on that. 01:47:21.700 --> 01:47:24.980 And I've stopped interviewing people for the most part. 01:47:25.360 --> 01:47:27.620 So maybe that won't even be an issue moving forward, 01:47:27.780 --> 01:47:29.200 but it's something for me to chew on. 01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:31.120 It's maybe I should just make that a rule. 01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:32.800 I think, well, that's the thing. 01:47:33.040 --> 01:47:34.860 Everyone has to do it their own way and do it differently. 01:47:35.120 --> 01:47:36.420 I mean, I don't know better than everyone else. 01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:37.980 I'm just telling you what works for me. 01:47:38.260 --> 01:47:39.280 No, no, I got that. 01:47:39.440 --> 01:47:41.620 And I'm also in a whole different seat, man. 01:47:45.420 --> 01:47:48.120 I guess life journey and your life journey 01:47:48.120 --> 01:47:50.200 and anyone I'm gonna talk to, it's different. 01:47:50.580 --> 01:47:52.420 And the way you see the world is different. 01:47:52.780 --> 01:47:56.560 And just for me, for the part of my content, 01:47:56.720 --> 01:47:58.700 that's gonna be where we're covering things 01:47:58.700 --> 01:48:01.240 that have to do with geopolitics and stuff like that, 01:48:01.340 --> 01:48:02.600 that's how I like to keep it. 01:48:03.100 --> 01:48:04.440 In a month or two here, 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:06.260 hopefully assuming this war dies down, 01:48:06.900 --> 01:48:08.460 I'm gonna be able to go back 01:48:08.460 --> 01:48:11.220 to just doing completely random content all the time. 01:48:11.220 --> 01:48:13.700 Which is what I was doing until about a month and a half ago. 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:15.380 Right now, there's just two stories 01:48:15.380 --> 01:48:17.820 that are fucking insane, Epstein and this war in Iran. 01:48:18.060 --> 01:48:19.960 And so, yeah, I'm talking about these things. 01:48:20.140 --> 01:48:22.080 But again, who knows, 01:48:22.380 --> 01:48:24.080 if I'd been a lot bigger in 2024 01:48:24.080 --> 01:48:26.040 and you have that opportunity, 01:48:26.700 --> 01:48:27.900 I might have fucking done it. 01:48:28.040 --> 01:48:31.560 I would like to think I wouldn't have, but you don't know. 01:48:32.120 --> 01:48:32.820 No, of course. 01:48:33.120 --> 01:48:34.640 And I think, as you said, 01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:36.600 like we are in different seats, different lanes too. 01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:38.840 I am much more overtly political. 01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:42.220 And I think really the lesson I learned 01:48:42.220 --> 01:48:43.800 isn't so much that I wouldn't have 01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:45.960 someone like a like Rama Swami on my show 01:48:46.460 --> 01:48:48.320 or a Trump or a JD Vance for that matter, 01:48:48.540 --> 01:48:51.500 but rather I need to be more hard hitting. 01:48:52.040 --> 01:48:55.840 Like I wasn't being as critical of his claims, 01:48:56.100 --> 01:48:58.900 of his background, of his history as I should have been. 01:48:59.860 --> 01:49:04.860 And that's just cause I'm not really deep in that world. 01:49:05.080 --> 01:49:08.640 I hadn't ever had the opportunity to interview someone 01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:10.340 who could go on to become the President of the United States. 01:49:10.480 --> 01:49:13.060 Like it was just a leveling up 01:49:13.060 --> 01:49:14.780 that I wasn't necessarily prepared for. 01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:18.620 So, anyways, I think I will handle it. 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:21.700 Whether I decide to have them on again in the future or not, 01:49:21.980 --> 01:49:23.100 I will handle it very differently. 01:49:23.320 --> 01:49:25.600 I will definitely try and cut through the bullshit 01:49:25.600 --> 01:49:28.040 because really that's what I like about what you do 01:49:28.040 --> 01:49:28.940 and what I do is like, 01:49:29.300 --> 01:49:32.180 I am trying to get to the honest to God's truth, 01:49:32.180 --> 01:49:35.180 regardless of what topic I'm dealing with. 01:49:35.280 --> 01:49:36.500 And that includes Politicians. 01:49:36.500 --> 01:49:38.500 I want to know who the fuck you are. 01:49:39.060 --> 01:49:40.140 And I think we've never, 01:49:41.220 --> 01:49:43.300 we've never needed more desperately 01:49:43.300 --> 01:49:46.100 to really know who the fuck these people are. 01:49:46.540 --> 01:49:49.020 From Epstein, to Iran, to Israeli influence, 01:49:49.260 --> 01:49:50.180 to all of these things. 01:49:50.720 --> 01:49:52.720 It's like we really need to get to the bottom of this 01:49:52.720 --> 01:49:54.620 cause we just simply don't have time. 01:49:55.280 --> 01:49:55.680 I just keep- 01:49:55.680 --> 01:49:59.660 Dude, I agree man, it's like, 01:50:01.340 --> 01:50:04.860 let's, the things that people actually wanna see improve 01:50:04.860 --> 01:50:06.840 in society for the next generations, 01:50:07.380 --> 01:50:09.440 we're spending so much time on other shit 01:50:09.440 --> 01:50:11.980 that we're putting all that to the side. 01:50:12.140 --> 01:50:13.300 And it's like, just like you, 01:50:13.380 --> 01:50:14.920 I'm looking at my watch going, come on, 01:50:15.020 --> 01:50:18.740 what kinda world are the kids and grandkids gonna be living in? 01:50:19.460 --> 01:50:21.560 Why don't we work on creating that right now? 01:50:22.160 --> 01:50:24.120 I travel so much that I see it. 01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:28.500 There's not a single western city that's thriving 01:50:30.060 --> 01:50:32.840 and they're all degrading in exactly the same way. 01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:34.720 Is a lot of it just a moral decay? 01:50:35.240 --> 01:50:36.500 Or is it actually true from everything? 01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:38.400 It's a lot of things, but it's self-hatred. 01:50:38.860 --> 01:50:41.300 Every city, every European city, every American city, 01:50:41.420 --> 01:50:44.800 it's just why people lose their will to live, 01:50:44.940 --> 01:50:46.920 their will to pass on, their culture, their values, 01:50:47.060 --> 01:50:48.000 their religion to their children, 01:50:48.280 --> 01:50:49.880 their will to have children, it's all gone. 01:50:50.700 --> 01:50:52.240 I mean, it's not gone with everybody, 01:50:52.520 --> 01:50:54.460 but I mean, in the cities you really see it. 01:50:54.560 --> 01:50:57.620 It's like the people who built this are long gone 01:50:57.620 --> 01:50:59.060 and their descendants have fled 01:50:59.060 --> 01:51:01.780 and they don't care enough to keep it going. 01:51:01.780 --> 01:51:03.220 There's just a lack of self-respect 01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:07.360 that is disgusting to me and I have contempt for it. 01:51:07.940 --> 01:51:12.740 Now Tucker goes on to juxtapose his analysis of American cities 01:51:12.740 --> 01:51:15.680 to those that are happening in Islamic cities 01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:19.780 and particularly UAE and all these other places 01:51:19.780 --> 01:51:21.340 that are kind of blossoming 01:51:21.340 --> 01:51:24.080 because of all the oil money in these technocratic cities 01:51:24.080 --> 01:51:24.960 that they've been producing. 01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:29.180 And he's being dragged mercilessly for saying that 01:51:29.620 --> 01:51:34.220 he prefers Sharia law to American jurisprudence 01:51:34.220 --> 01:51:35.980 or whatever, that's not what he said. 01:51:36.140 --> 01:51:38.760 He was just saying, even with Sharia law, 01:51:39.020 --> 01:51:42.380 they are producing things that used to be produced in America 01:51:42.380 --> 01:51:44.400 and we're not producing them anymore, why? 01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:49.360 And that's the fucking smear merchants 01:51:49.360 --> 01:51:50.740 are gonna try and drag them for it, 01:51:50.740 --> 01:51:52.420 but I know you know that's not the point he was making. 01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:56.120 So I wanted to ask you because NYC, 01:51:56.460 --> 01:51:58.640 I mean, this is a very, very famous city. 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:01.060 What is your diagnosis as to why 01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:04.720 our country doesn't seem to be producing 01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:08.180 the same level of beauty, the same level of ingenuity. 01:52:09.620 --> 01:52:11.600 I think it's very multifactorial, 01:52:11.860 --> 01:52:14.520 but for a New Yorker, New Jersey 01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:17.700 and what do you think is the underlying cause of all this? 01:52:18.480 --> 01:52:20.080 So I disagree with Tucker, 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:23.320 but I do not, I'm in the middle. 01:52:24.140 --> 01:52:25.380 Here's what I mean by that. 01:52:26.100 --> 01:52:28.640 Tucker loves to be a doomer on this kind of issue 01:52:28.640 --> 01:52:30.300 and he's very into that. 01:52:30.860 --> 01:52:32.440 I'm just down here in Florida, it's beautiful, 01:52:32.700 --> 01:52:34.680 I go out of here, I don't have a city, it's not a problem, 01:52:35.300 --> 01:52:37.960 everything's cleaned up, I go to New York, it's disgusting, 01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:39.120 it's horrible. 01:52:40.100 --> 01:52:44.800 And like to me, I'm a little worried about Mondani 01:52:44.800 --> 01:52:47.220 to be clear, he's only been here a couple of months, 01:52:47.280 --> 01:52:48.480 he hasn't burned the place down yet. 01:52:49.040 --> 01:52:50.660 To me it's like you gotta have a Democrat 01:52:50.660 --> 01:52:53.260 and a Republican running in that kind of thing. 01:52:53.260 --> 01:52:55.160 Like, let's not go to fucking Looneyville 01:52:55.160 --> 01:52:57.520 and I think he has a lot of Looneyville things, 01:52:57.600 --> 01:52:58.880 that's a separate issue, 01:52:59.040 --> 01:53:02.780 but I do think the doomerville of like our cities are dead 01:53:03.800 --> 01:53:04.680 is wrong. 01:53:05.020 --> 01:53:06.280 And I'm gonna give you an example of this. 01:53:07.720 --> 01:53:10.840 Dief, my producer and a really close friend, 01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:15.080 he and I went to Paris and Rome in December. 01:53:15.300 --> 01:53:18.060 Now I've lived in Rome before I lived there for six months. 01:53:18.340 --> 01:53:20.340 It's got a special place in my heart for sure, 01:53:20.460 --> 01:53:21.760 but Paris I'd never been to. 01:53:22.180 --> 01:53:24.120 And when we told people we were going to Paris, 01:53:24.380 --> 01:53:28.780 all we heard was, oh my God, I heard it's so dangerous 01:53:28.780 --> 01:53:32.420 and it's falling apart and it's just awful. 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:36.120 And like just a, it's a symbol of the West going down. 01:53:37.620 --> 01:53:39.160 One of the most lovely, 01:53:39.700 --> 01:53:41.260 beautiful cities I've ever been to. 01:53:41.400 --> 01:53:43.460 Now, to put that into context, 01:53:45.820 --> 01:53:47.900 I got sick right when I got there. 01:53:48.020 --> 01:53:49.140 So I said, I'm a big Walker. 01:53:49.360 --> 01:53:51.020 So I said to Dief, I was like, all right, 01:53:51.020 --> 01:53:54.000 here's the deal, you need me on my feet. 01:53:54.460 --> 01:53:56.720 If our ass is sitting down, I'm gonna be dead. 01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:58.200 So we're gonna be doing a lot of walking. 01:53:58.420 --> 01:54:00.340 So in a span of four days at one point, 01:54:00.420 --> 01:54:04.020 we walked 46 miles of Paris at all hours of the day and night. 01:54:05.060 --> 01:54:06.320 One of the safest places- 01:54:06.320 --> 01:54:07.100 When you said big Walker, 01:54:07.240 --> 01:54:08.600 I didn't know you were talking Marathon as well. 01:54:08.720 --> 01:54:11.540 Yeah, yeah, no, don't get caught in the city with me. 01:54:11.620 --> 01:54:13.280 We don't take Uber, you know. 01:54:13.600 --> 01:54:15.100 So, and that's why I do it in New York too. 01:54:15.820 --> 01:54:19.400 When I tell you I could barely find trash on the ground, 01:54:20.060 --> 01:54:21.420 I'm not exaggerating that, 01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:23.180 which is something that we could do a better job with 01:54:23.180 --> 01:54:24.120 in New York, to be clear. 01:54:24.380 --> 01:54:25.860 It's not all sunshine and rainbows. 01:54:26.060 --> 01:54:28.160 There are certainly, I see potholes everywhere 01:54:28.160 --> 01:54:30.480 and stuff like that and this is where you don't see that 01:54:30.480 --> 01:54:32.180 in these Middle Eastern cities 01:54:32.180 --> 01:54:34.020 and Tucker's 100% right about that. 01:54:34.140 --> 01:54:36.040 So I don't wanna throw the baby out with the bathwater here. 01:54:36.460 --> 01:54:39.260 I am sure, if I really wanted to go through Google Maps 01:54:39.260 --> 01:54:41.320 and find some shit, I could have found a neighborhood 01:54:41.320 --> 01:54:44.140 in Paris that just like in any city in America, 01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:46.740 I wouldn't wanna be in after nine o'clock at night 01:54:46.740 --> 01:54:48.420 or maybe after seven o'clock at night, right? 01:54:48.420 --> 01:54:49.620 Wir waren die besten. 01:54:49.980 --> 01:54:51.660 Wir waren besser als alle anderen. 01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:54.400 Die Geschichte eines ostdeutschen Start-up-Wunders 01:54:54.400 --> 01:54:55.600 mit Millionen umsetzen. 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:59.020 Unistar, das Unternehmen hinter App in den Urlaub.de. 01:55:00.860 --> 01:55:03.020 Doch dann Betrugsvorwürfe. 01:55:03.180 --> 01:55:06.160 Das Unternehmen hat maßenhaft und schwer Rechtsverletzung begangen. 01:55:06.300 --> 01:55:07.300 Dubiose Geschäfte. 01:55:07.460 --> 01:55:08.760 Man war so hoch aufgestiegen, 01:55:08.900 --> 01:55:10.280 dass man sich für unverletzlich hielt. 01:55:10.580 --> 01:55:13.960 App in den Urlaub, der Crash des Internet-Imperiums Unistar. 01:55:14.020 --> 01:55:16.120 Jetzt in der ARD-Sounds-App 01:55:16.120 --> 01:55:17.960 und überall, wo es Podcasts gibt. 01:55:18.700 --> 01:55:20.500 Those weren't the ones I walked through, 01:55:20.580 --> 01:55:22.300 but we walked through a fuck ton of them. 01:55:22.700 --> 01:55:26.460 And even the people who in this stereotypical fashion of people 01:55:26.460 --> 01:55:27.880 who are freaking out at the West is falling, 01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:30.580 who are wearing hijabs and stuff, spoke French, 01:55:31.060 --> 01:55:33.540 which maybe we could learn something from that here too, by the way, 01:55:33.720 --> 01:55:35.820 because it doesn't always work that way in American cities. 01:55:36.620 --> 01:55:38.700 But, you know, we were just like, 01:55:38.920 --> 01:55:40.880 and so many people were hitting us up in the comments, 01:55:41.080 --> 01:55:42.280 like, oh my God, stay safe. 01:55:42.900 --> 01:55:45.120 Bro, we were there at like Christmas time too. 01:55:45.260 --> 01:55:46.540 We're underneath the Eiffel Tower. 01:55:46.540 --> 01:55:49.520 We're sitting ducks, lovely, you know? 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:53.220 And so I think a lot of it is just... 01:55:53.400 --> 01:55:54.680 It's overstated, 01:55:55.220 --> 01:55:58.300 and I think Tucker does love overstating that for sure. 01:55:58.720 --> 01:56:02.040 That is not to say that a place like I haven't been like Dubai, 01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:07.020 for example, I haven't heard unbelievable things 01:56:07.540 --> 01:56:10.180 about the cleanliness, the safety and all this stuff 01:56:10.180 --> 01:56:12.820 that is beyond the standards of Western cities. 01:56:13.180 --> 01:56:15.800 Having not been there, I believe that 100%. 01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:17.020 And I've talked to enough people. 01:56:17.520 --> 01:56:19.380 I think that's a real thing for sure. 01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:22.760 So yeah, maybe we could learn from some of that for sure. 01:56:22.980 --> 01:56:24.440 But like even New York, 01:56:25.860 --> 01:56:28.880 I remember the last day I was in New York 01:56:28.880 --> 01:56:31.740 before the pandemic was February 28th, 2020. 01:56:32.540 --> 01:56:34.200 And this was, it was a Friday. 01:56:35.020 --> 01:56:38.060 And if you remember, the 24th had been that Monday, 01:56:38.260 --> 01:56:40.740 that was the first day where the markets were taking a shit. 01:56:41.160 --> 01:56:43.660 And I was still working on Wall Street at the time. 01:56:43.660 --> 01:56:46.640 So then Friday, they took a big shit. 01:56:47.140 --> 01:56:50.080 And I remember I had a meeting in a building 01:56:50.080 --> 01:56:51.760 right by Grand Central Station, 01:56:52.000 --> 01:56:53.160 and I was like an hour early. 01:56:53.640 --> 01:56:56.140 So I went down to the bottom level of Grand Central Station 01:56:56.140 --> 01:56:58.640 and I'm on the Bluetooth, talking with a client 01:56:59.260 --> 01:57:02.060 and looking, refreshing the stock page 01:57:02.060 --> 01:57:03.060 while I'm talking with them. 01:57:03.120 --> 01:57:06.540 And I'm seeing the Dow down fucking 1800, 2100. 01:57:06.660 --> 01:57:07.560 And I'm like, holy shit. 01:57:08.040 --> 01:57:11.240 And I just kind of looked around at the place for a second. 01:57:11.240 --> 01:57:12.960 And I saw it packed. 01:57:13.660 --> 01:57:14.760 I saw all these people. 01:57:15.340 --> 01:57:16.440 And I remember thinking to myself, 01:57:16.660 --> 01:57:17.620 if you want to talk about cold take, 01:57:18.080 --> 01:57:18.500 I was like, 01:57:20.940 --> 01:57:21.900 we're gonna be all right. 01:57:22.660 --> 01:57:24.600 Yeah, no, we're gonna be fine. 01:57:24.820 --> 01:57:25.200 This is nothing. 01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:27.620 And then that ended up being the last time I was there 01:57:27.620 --> 01:57:29.600 until January, 2021, 01:57:29.980 --> 01:57:32.020 right after de Blasio left office. 01:57:32.380 --> 01:57:34.280 And I remember pulling in on the train 01:57:34.280 --> 01:57:36.140 to New York City with my buddy 01:57:36.140 --> 01:57:37.820 at eight o'clock at night on a Friday. 01:57:38.180 --> 01:57:40.160 I had pulled in on that same train 01:57:40.160 --> 01:57:42.600 many, many times before eight o'clock on a Friday. 01:57:43.280 --> 01:57:46.620 And when I got out of Penn Station, 01:57:47.300 --> 01:57:49.100 I was like, oh my God. 01:57:49.760 --> 01:57:51.400 And it wasn't so much that like shit was falling. 01:57:51.560 --> 01:57:53.160 The buildings weren't falling down or anything. 01:57:53.660 --> 01:57:55.460 I didn't even see like that many rats, 01:57:55.760 --> 01:57:57.460 or that much trash. 01:57:57.700 --> 01:57:59.620 It wasn't great, it wasn't crazy. 01:58:00.360 --> 01:58:01.860 But like, it was dead. 01:58:02.300 --> 01:58:03.160 There was no one out. 01:58:03.700 --> 01:58:04.940 The streets were gone. 01:58:05.040 --> 01:58:06.800 And when you saw someone, they looked down 01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:09.680 and they had a fucking N95 mask on 01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:11.780 and you thought it was like Mad Max Fury robe. 01:58:12.220 --> 01:58:13.100 And then I remember, 01:58:13.740 --> 01:58:16.020 he makes us get in the Uber, of course, 01:58:16.200 --> 01:58:18.340 cause he knows we'll be fucking walking all night, 01:58:19.080 --> 01:58:20.080 if I have my way. 01:58:20.220 --> 01:58:23.080 So we get off the Uber in the Lower East Side, 01:58:23.200 --> 01:58:24.820 which is like the most happening, 01:58:25.480 --> 01:58:27.040 young person, neighborhood in New York. 01:58:28.220 --> 01:58:30.040 And we walk, he's like, all right, 01:58:30.120 --> 01:58:31.040 I'm like five blocks away. 01:58:31.140 --> 01:58:31.480 I'm like, great. 01:58:31.740 --> 01:58:33.540 So we walk about a block and I was like, great. 01:58:34.280 --> 01:58:34.900 And we stopped. 01:58:35.700 --> 01:58:37.400 And I could hear someone, 01:58:37.800 --> 01:58:39.320 when I think Amanda Lynn, 01:58:40.220 --> 01:58:41.320 three blocks away, 01:58:41.400 --> 01:58:42.520 I started walking towards it, 01:58:42.640 --> 01:58:44.660 playing the Godfather theme song. 01:58:45.480 --> 01:58:47.360 And the fact that I could hear this, 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:49.680 bar for bar, note for note, 01:58:49.820 --> 01:58:50.700 in New York City, 01:58:50.760 --> 01:58:53.260 on a Friday night at about 8.15 pm, 01:58:53.260 --> 01:58:55.220 perfectly from three blocks away, 01:58:55.300 --> 01:58:56.140 on the Lower East Side, 01:58:56.260 --> 01:58:57.620 I was like, holy shit, 01:58:57.740 --> 01:58:59.100 this place might be dead. 01:58:59.560 --> 01:59:00.540 And I say all this, 01:59:00.580 --> 01:59:02.360 because even after all that shit 01:59:02.360 --> 01:59:04.440 and all the propaganda with COVID and everything, 01:59:05.540 --> 01:59:07.420 somehow it kind of came back. 01:59:08.200 --> 01:59:11.020 And yes, there's plenty of things I want to see fixed. 01:59:11.160 --> 01:59:12.160 I don't want to sit here and be like, 01:59:12.260 --> 01:59:14.060 New York's the cleanest city of all time. 01:59:14.160 --> 01:59:14.760 It's incredible. 01:59:15.340 --> 01:59:16.980 We in the West are setting the standard 01:59:16.980 --> 01:59:17.840 for the whole world. 01:59:18.080 --> 01:59:19.080 All of our architecture, 01:59:19.340 --> 01:59:20.460 new architecture is beautiful. 01:59:20.820 --> 01:59:21.860 I'm not saying these things. 01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:24.240 But the whole like, 01:59:25.020 --> 01:59:26.120 what's the old Trump line? 01:59:26.480 --> 01:59:28.560 It's the American dream is dead. 01:59:29.160 --> 01:59:33.200 Like that whole Tucker Carlson Dumerism of it, 01:59:33.600 --> 01:59:34.980 I disagree with that. 01:59:35.160 --> 01:59:36.520 And I think we have to like learn 01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:38.440 in order to build things up 01:59:38.440 --> 01:59:39.800 into what we want it to be, 01:59:39.900 --> 01:59:41.840 to have more beauty standards again, 01:59:42.020 --> 01:59:43.500 to have more cleanliness standards, 01:59:43.740 --> 01:59:44.620 more safety standards, 01:59:45.080 --> 01:59:46.560 we have to love the good things 01:59:46.560 --> 01:59:47.440 that we have as well. 01:59:47.580 --> 01:59:48.900 And some people might call me 01:59:48.900 --> 01:59:50.320 a fucking hippie for saying that. 01:59:50.720 --> 01:59:52.300 My hair probably doesn't help with that, 01:59:52.440 --> 01:59:53.480 but like, you know, 01:59:53.640 --> 01:59:54.960 that is how I feel about it. 01:59:55.020 --> 01:59:57.060 And I do think that I have to see 01:59:57.060 --> 01:59:58.760 a lot of things with my own two eyes 01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:01.040 to know that like sometimes 02:00:01.040 --> 02:00:02.100 it's a lot of people 02:00:02.100 --> 02:00:03.860 who actually aren't in these places 02:00:03.860 --> 02:00:04.980 who are saying this stuff. 02:00:05.240 --> 02:00:06.640 I mean, you saw Tucker and Pierce 02:00:06.640 --> 02:00:07.800 disagree about London. 02:00:08.300 --> 02:00:09.220 I've talked with people 02:00:09.220 --> 02:00:10.440 who live in London as well 02:00:10.440 --> 02:00:11.220 and they have thoughts 02:00:11.220 --> 02:00:11.760 where they're like 02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:12.540 there's certain neighborhoods 02:00:12.540 --> 02:00:14.460 is like kind of let that go. 02:00:14.620 --> 02:00:15.120 We shouldn't be there. 02:00:15.660 --> 02:00:16.480 The rest of it, they're like, 02:00:16.580 --> 02:00:17.460 I love it. It's great. 02:00:17.920 --> 02:00:18.860 You know, it's not to say 02:00:18.860 --> 02:00:20.160 there aren't some trends there 02:00:20.160 --> 02:00:21.420 that you shouldn't be looking at going, 02:00:21.620 --> 02:00:23.000 yo, that needs to fucking change. 02:00:23.620 --> 02:00:25.580 I'm not saying like, of course, 02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:26.780 of course, again, 02:00:27.480 --> 02:00:28.580 you don't want to, to me, 02:00:28.940 --> 02:00:30.020 you don't want to throw the baby out 02:00:30.020 --> 02:00:32.040 with the bathwater from either direction. 02:00:32.380 --> 02:00:33.200 And so that, you know, 02:00:33.280 --> 02:00:34.600 those are the two sides to get attention. 02:00:34.820 --> 02:00:35.900 You get the people like Tucker, 02:00:36.080 --> 02:00:37.880 like it's dead or you get the people 02:00:37.880 --> 02:00:39.520 are like, what the fuck are you talking about? 02:00:39.600 --> 02:00:40.200 Everything is great. 02:00:40.300 --> 02:00:41.920 And there's a guy getting shot right next to you. 02:00:42.560 --> 02:00:42.880 Right, right. 02:00:43.040 --> 02:00:43.700 Maybe it's near. 02:00:44.260 --> 02:00:45.060 No, yeah, of course, 02:00:45.180 --> 02:00:46.500 I think the truth is certainly in between. 02:00:47.080 --> 02:00:48.020 I just think that the 02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:49.600 Tucker analysis. 02:00:49.840 --> 02:00:50.840 Well, I agree with you that 02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:52.760 that the Dumer's conclusion 02:00:52.760 --> 02:00:54.500 is probably not helpful. 02:00:55.480 --> 02:00:56.960 I do think that the trend line 02:00:57.560 --> 02:00:59.720 for our nation, it is helpful 02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:01.020 because it drives urgency, 02:01:01.180 --> 02:01:03.600 because it requires people to pay attention 02:01:03.600 --> 02:01:05.440 to start to actually analyze. 02:01:05.740 --> 02:01:08.620 All right, what were ABCDEFG 02:01:08.620 --> 02:01:10.660 that actually got us into this paradigm? 02:01:11.420 --> 02:01:13.360 And so, so for that reason, 02:01:13.500 --> 02:01:14.600 I like Tucker's analysis. 02:01:15.340 --> 02:01:16.620 I do agree with you, though, 02:01:16.860 --> 02:01:18.460 if it, if it's conveyed in a way 02:01:18.460 --> 02:01:19.000 that it's like, 02:01:19.740 --> 02:01:21.280 look how fucked everything is 02:01:21.280 --> 02:01:22.640 and there's nothing we can do about it. 02:01:22.640 --> 02:01:23.560 That's a big mistake. 02:01:24.480 --> 02:01:26.400 So I don't think that that's really 02:01:26.400 --> 02:01:27.500 how Tucker feels about it. 02:01:27.580 --> 02:01:27.860 Fortunately, 02:01:27.860 --> 02:01:30.620 is that he does seem to genuinely 02:01:30.620 --> 02:01:31.640 want to change things. 02:01:32.300 --> 02:01:33.600 I just think he believes 02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:35.460 it's much further down that path 02:01:35.460 --> 02:01:37.060 than probably you and I do. 02:01:37.820 --> 02:01:38.920 I'm probably closer to Tucker 02:01:38.920 --> 02:01:40.820 than you are on that particular topic. 02:01:41.480 --> 02:01:43.300 Maybe it's just because of my own cities. 02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:45.100 You know, like I grew up in San Diego 02:01:45.100 --> 02:01:47.120 and then everything's fucking pristine 02:01:47.120 --> 02:01:47.620 and perfect. 02:01:48.020 --> 02:01:49.140 And then all of a sudden 02:01:49.140 --> 02:01:50.200 there's these lockdowns 02:01:50.200 --> 02:01:51.940 and all of a sudden there's these homeless encampments. 02:01:52.100 --> 02:01:52.660 And then all of a sudden 02:01:52.660 --> 02:01:54.340 my car isn't broken into 02:01:54.340 --> 02:01:56.400 and homeless dudes are shit in my front yard. 02:01:56.560 --> 02:01:57.260 And it's like, all right. 02:01:57.260 --> 02:01:58.500 And then you go to LA 02:01:58.500 --> 02:01:59.980 and you go to Skid Row 02:01:59.980 --> 02:02:00.500 and you're like, 02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:03.720 this is like a literal zombie apocalypse movie. 02:02:04.860 --> 02:02:06.920 So it's all, it's all localized. 02:02:07.240 --> 02:02:08.320 Like you don't, you can't, 02:02:08.320 --> 02:02:09.660 you can't make far reaching 02:02:09.660 --> 02:02:11.440 assessments based off of that stuff. 02:02:11.580 --> 02:02:12.980 But I do think 02:02:12.980 --> 02:02:14.060 that there is something to be said 02:02:14.060 --> 02:02:16.100 for the fact that we are not, 02:02:16.540 --> 02:02:18.220 we are just not like 02:02:19.080 --> 02:02:20.460 the far and away 02:02:21.220 --> 02:02:23.160 culture mover, industry mover, 02:02:24.820 --> 02:02:25.700 innovative, reproducing, 02:02:25.700 --> 02:02:26.580 having families. 02:02:26.820 --> 02:02:27.940 Like all of those things 02:02:27.940 --> 02:02:29.620 that you and I kind of grew up in 02:02:30.160 --> 02:02:32.620 that has, that really is imperiled. 02:02:33.220 --> 02:02:34.560 So I just want to 02:02:34.560 --> 02:02:35.620 I agree on that. 02:02:36.040 --> 02:02:37.420 I think that, yeah, no, no, no. 02:02:37.560 --> 02:02:39.300 I think there are a lot of things 02:02:39.300 --> 02:02:40.780 Tucker says about like 02:02:41.280 --> 02:02:44.420 the American Nuclear Unit ideas, 02:02:44.660 --> 02:02:45.200 if you will, 02:02:46.100 --> 02:02:48.780 that he's on those issues. 02:02:49.000 --> 02:02:50.220 I'm going, yo, I got numbers. 02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:53.080 I got numbers across the board on that 02:02:53.080 --> 02:02:54.460 that are more black and white 02:02:54.460 --> 02:02:55.280 rather than like, 02:02:55.280 --> 02:02:56.780 hey, you got to go stand here 02:02:56.780 --> 02:02:57.280 and see it. 02:02:57.360 --> 02:02:57.880 You know what I mean? 02:02:58.500 --> 02:03:00.740 So, yeah, I don't want to give that. 02:03:01.820 --> 02:03:03.100 I think part of it's also 02:03:03.100 --> 02:03:04.680 like I've always had a problem 02:03:04.680 --> 02:03:05.900 throughout my whole life 02:03:05.900 --> 02:03:08.160 with self talk to myself, 02:03:08.340 --> 02:03:09.560 where I tell myself that. 02:03:10.660 --> 02:03:11.800 I suck at this 02:03:11.800 --> 02:03:14.020 or like whatever this thing is 02:03:14.020 --> 02:03:14.900 in front of me. 02:03:14.920 --> 02:03:15.840 It's always like looking 02:03:16.400 --> 02:03:18.020 and it would limit me 02:03:18.020 --> 02:03:18.740 for a long time. 02:03:18.820 --> 02:03:19.500 Now, I don't think 02:03:19.500 --> 02:03:20.420 the opposite of like, 02:03:20.540 --> 02:03:21.260 I'm great at everything 02:03:21.260 --> 02:03:22.120 is the answer. 02:03:22.320 --> 02:03:23.760 But I think about that 02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:24.180 sometimes, 02:03:24.180 --> 02:03:25.320 because I've worked on that 02:03:25.320 --> 02:03:26.600 a lot over the past five, six years. 02:03:26.940 --> 02:03:27.900 I think about that 02:03:27.900 --> 02:03:28.700 when I'm talking about 02:03:28.700 --> 02:03:29.560 like my own country 02:03:29.560 --> 02:03:30.040 and things 02:03:30.040 --> 02:03:31.700 and trying to be like a force 02:03:31.700 --> 02:03:33.380 for changing things 02:03:33.380 --> 02:03:35.140 that are clearly on a bad trajectory, 02:03:35.480 --> 02:03:36.920 while also not being like 02:03:36.920 --> 02:03:37.640 it's all dead. 02:03:38.060 --> 02:03:38.820 Everything's gone. 02:03:39.440 --> 02:03:40.000 You know, life. 02:03:40.400 --> 02:03:41.820 The sky is black. 02:03:42.660 --> 02:03:43.980 You know, there's absolute. 02:03:44.160 --> 02:03:44.940 There isn't a dollar 02:03:44.940 --> 02:03:45.560 on the street. 02:03:45.740 --> 02:03:46.140 You know what I mean? 02:03:46.880 --> 02:03:47.060 So. 02:03:48.020 --> 02:03:48.940 That balance. 02:03:49.400 --> 02:03:51.440 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 02:03:51.780 --> 02:03:52.900 I couldn't say it better myself. 02:03:53.240 --> 02:03:53.360 Yeah. 02:03:53.360 --> 02:03:54.620 Yeah, that's that's 02:03:54.620 --> 02:03:55.480 exactly how I feel. 02:03:55.840 --> 02:03:56.520 And particularly 02:03:56.520 --> 02:03:57.600 because of the stuff I cover. 02:03:57.780 --> 02:03:58.360 It's like it's 02:03:58.360 --> 02:03:59.960 I'm covering really dark shit. 02:04:00.180 --> 02:04:01.940 Like there's just no way around it. 02:04:02.660 --> 02:04:04.340 So it's very hard for me 02:04:04.340 --> 02:04:05.760 to not also be dragged 02:04:05.760 --> 02:04:07.980 into the darkness, you know, to like still 02:04:08.480 --> 02:04:10.060 still find reason for optimism 02:04:10.060 --> 02:04:11.900 and still try and leave my audience 02:04:11.900 --> 02:04:13.060 with a sense of hope 02:04:13.060 --> 02:04:14.620 because the last thing I want 02:04:14.620 --> 02:04:16.000 are the people who are 02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:18.060 and this is going to sound egotistical. 02:04:18.060 --> 02:04:19.040 But the people who are smart 02:04:19.040 --> 02:04:20.260 enough to be listening to me, 02:04:20.940 --> 02:04:22.380 I need y'all to be motivated. 02:04:22.380 --> 02:04:24.560 I need you guys to be fucking out there, crushing. 02:04:25.000 --> 02:04:26.000 I need you to be having families. 02:04:26.340 --> 02:04:27.480 I need you to be doing, you know, 02:04:27.660 --> 02:04:29.660 creating the next big tech boom or whatever. 02:04:30.160 --> 02:04:31.240 Like I want those people 02:04:31.240 --> 02:04:35.000 to be the leaders of the future of our country. 02:04:35.080 --> 02:04:36.060 Because I really believe like 02:04:36.060 --> 02:04:38.260 the people who are tuning into a show like mine, 02:04:38.320 --> 02:04:40.100 not to say that I'm right about everything far from it. 02:04:40.380 --> 02:04:42.360 But like I'm diving deep 02:04:42.360 --> 02:04:44.540 and I'm not I'm not selling you anything, 02:04:45.060 --> 02:04:45.900 you know, bullshit wise. 02:04:46.140 --> 02:04:46.620 And it's like 02:04:47.340 --> 02:04:49.140 if you if you found me 02:04:49.140 --> 02:04:51.200 in the infinite options 02:04:51.200 --> 02:04:52.640 of the internet to listen to, 02:04:53.380 --> 02:04:54.740 that tells me something about you. 02:04:55.120 --> 02:04:56.420 Like it tells me that like you're 02:04:56.420 --> 02:04:58.180 you're really going after it. 02:04:58.180 --> 02:04:59.960 Like you really want to get to the bottom of shit 02:04:59.960 --> 02:05:01.340 because that's who I am, you know. 02:05:01.900 --> 02:05:03.700 So I want those people to fucking crush. 02:05:04.080 --> 02:05:05.240 So I don't want them to be depressed. 02:05:05.700 --> 02:05:07.520 That's what I wanted to say about it. 02:05:07.740 --> 02:05:09.880 You're like the Fight Club of movies. 02:05:11.060 --> 02:05:13.960 But in commentary culture, I got it. 02:05:14.240 --> 02:05:16.120 It's like you just don't talk about it, 02:05:16.180 --> 02:05:16.700 but you're here. 02:05:18.580 --> 02:05:19.520 Nah, that's good man. 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:23.960 And I think we need honest voices 02:05:23.960 --> 02:05:26.600 from all different perspectives doing exactly that. 02:05:27.200 --> 02:05:28.100 And at the end of the day, 02:05:28.220 --> 02:05:29.400 we should all want the same things. 02:05:29.540 --> 02:05:31.660 And I think people in power across the world 02:05:31.660 --> 02:05:33.180 and in our own country as well 02:05:33.180 --> 02:05:35.400 have decided that, you know, 02:05:35.560 --> 02:05:38.560 they want to distract us with fights over stupid shit 02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:40.020 that then, you know, 02:05:40.100 --> 02:05:42.160 let's the road paved to hell occur 02:05:42.680 --> 02:05:43.780 where we're not looking. 02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:45.720 So, yeah. 02:05:46.340 --> 02:05:47.460 Well, that's our job. 02:05:47.460 --> 02:05:48.980 Make sure that they see that road getting paved. 02:05:49.460 --> 02:05:51.240 All right, Julian, go ahead and tell my audience 02:05:51.240 --> 02:05:52.020 where they can follow you man. 02:05:52.180 --> 02:05:53.540 I really appreciate your time. 02:05:53.780 --> 02:05:56.060 I think that, as I said, you are the next wave. 02:05:56.300 --> 02:05:57.140 So it's good to know you man. 02:05:57.760 --> 02:05:59.200 Thank you, you as well, Clint. 02:05:59.360 --> 02:06:00.780 I'm looking forward to having you up here 02:06:01.260 --> 02:06:02.180 to be on the show. 02:06:02.580 --> 02:06:04.940 And I could, you won't get shot outside, 02:06:05.260 --> 02:06:06.740 I promise, but yeah. 02:06:07.200 --> 02:06:11.540 So I am, you just type in my name, 02:06:11.760 --> 02:06:12.920 Julian Dory on YouTube. 02:06:13.260 --> 02:06:15.220 I have four channels over there. 02:06:15.740 --> 02:06:18.680 Main channel does the full podcast. 02:06:18.980 --> 02:06:21.320 We put out two, three hour episodes a week with guests. 02:06:21.580 --> 02:06:23.800 And now we've also been doing a 90-minute episode 02:06:23.800 --> 02:06:26.080 with just me and Dief once a week as well. 02:06:26.220 --> 02:06:27.200 So there's three of those a week. 02:06:27.380 --> 02:06:28.300 And then I got Eclipse channel, 02:06:28.480 --> 02:06:30.180 a one hour channel and a channel that does some shorts. 02:06:30.640 --> 02:06:33.000 And then over on Instagram, I'm at Julian D. Dory 02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:35.080 and on Twitter, I'm at Julian Dory. 02:06:36.320 --> 02:06:37.260 It's a great show. 02:06:38.140 --> 02:06:40.160 Like no holds barred, no bullshit. 02:06:40.660 --> 02:06:42.300 Exactly, exactly what I try to do 02:06:42.300 --> 02:06:43.540 when I used to do more interviews. 02:06:43.540 --> 02:06:45.320 So I know my audience will, 02:06:45.640 --> 02:06:46.800 if they haven't already listened to you, 02:06:46.820 --> 02:06:48.940 which I'm sure most have, they will enjoy it. 02:06:48.960 --> 02:06:49.940 If you guys enjoyed this episode, 02:06:50.120 --> 02:06:51.260 please do hit the like button, subscribe, 02:06:51.900 --> 02:06:54.160 share it around and we will catch you next time. 02:06:54.300 --> 02:06:54.460 Peace. 02:06:54.700 --> 02:06:56.760 Before I get out of here, I just wanna thank you guys so much 02:06:57.360 --> 02:06:59.400 for supporting the show, listening, watching. 02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:01.280 However you're consuming this right now, 02:07:01.640 --> 02:07:02.440 means the world to me. 02:07:02.780 --> 02:07:04.760 I know you have, as I said in the episode with Julian, 02:07:05.420 --> 02:07:07.400 you have infinite options in the world 02:07:07.400 --> 02:07:09.320 and you have chosen to spend your time 02:07:09.320 --> 02:07:11.320 listening to my thoughts on these matters. 02:07:11.320 --> 02:07:13.500 I genuinely appreciate and respect 02:07:13.500 --> 02:07:15.600 each and every one of you and I respect your time. 02:07:15.840 --> 02:07:18.120 So I apologize that this episode was as long as it was, 02:07:18.220 --> 02:07:20.520 but I hope you enjoyed it and I hope you found it valuable. 02:07:20.760 --> 02:07:23.160 If you did, I'll go wise. 02:07:23.820 --> 02:07:26.020 Long form interviews like this are very unpopular. 02:07:26.320 --> 02:07:27.840 So if you really enjoyed it, 02:07:28.200 --> 02:07:30.360 I think you have the option to hype videos 02:07:30.360 --> 02:07:33.320 right now on YouTube and then you can do three per week. 02:07:33.620 --> 02:07:35.120 So if you could save those up 02:07:35.120 --> 02:07:37.220 and use those on my little channel, 02:07:37.360 --> 02:07:38.880 I would really appreciate that. 02:07:38.880 --> 02:07:41.160 If you can hype every episode of Liberty Lockdown 02:07:41.660 --> 02:07:43.240 just to try and break through the algo, 02:07:43.580 --> 02:07:45.020 I think it'll make a major difference. 02:07:45.440 --> 02:07:47.240 And if it doesn't, well, at least we tried 02:07:47.680 --> 02:07:49.260 because that's all we can do in this world, right? 02:07:49.920 --> 02:07:51.400 But yeah, please do it to the like button 02:07:51.400 --> 02:07:52.600 and as you guys know, 02:07:52.740 --> 02:07:54.220 I'm one of the most responsive people 02:07:54.220 --> 02:07:56.260 that you'll find on the YouTubes. 02:07:56.440 --> 02:07:58.660 If you leave a comment, I do read all of them, 02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:00.980 sometimes stupidly, I shouldn't be, 02:08:01.100 --> 02:08:02.440 but I do read all of them. 02:08:02.620 --> 02:08:04.500 So if you thought, got anything wrong, 02:08:04.640 --> 02:08:05.600 got anything super right, 02:08:06.060 --> 02:08:07.520 just have any feedback for me, 02:08:07.520 --> 02:08:08.420 drop it down below. 02:08:08.940 --> 02:08:10.540 I don't respond to all of them, 02:08:10.580 --> 02:08:11.320 but I do read them all. 02:08:11.740 --> 02:08:15.060 So yeah, take some time, show some love. 02:08:15.640 --> 02:08:16.980 All right, hit the like button, we're out of here. 02:08:17.100 --> 02:08:17.880 And last but not least, 02:08:18.320 --> 02:08:19.480 go to mypillow.com, 02:08:19.620 --> 02:08:20.420 use promo code lockdown 02:08:20.920 --> 02:08:23.280 to get you some cozy action 02:08:23.280 --> 02:08:25.120 from Mike Lindell, shout out MikeLindell, 02:08:25.280 --> 02:08:26.460 mypillow.com, promo code lockdown. 02:08:26.880 --> 02:08:27.800 And last but not least, 02:08:27.860 --> 02:08:28.700 if you wanna support the show, 02:08:28.980 --> 02:08:30.760 subscribe on my ex, 02:08:30.880 --> 02:08:32.100 that's at Liberty Lockpod. 02:08:32.660 --> 02:08:34.300 It's the easiest way to get a follow from me. 02:08:34.340 --> 02:08:35.420 I don't follow that many people, 02:08:35.420 --> 02:08:37.980 but I do follow every single one of the supporters 02:08:37.980 --> 02:08:38.580 of my show, 02:08:38.860 --> 02:08:40.540 either libertylockdown.locals.com. 02:08:40.620 --> 02:08:42.200 If you wanna follow me, just leave a message there. 02:08:42.480 --> 02:08:43.920 Or, or if you want me to follow you, 02:08:43.980 --> 02:08:46.740 I should say, or go to ex.com 02:08:46.740 --> 02:08:49.040 and subscribe to at Liberty Lockpod. 02:08:49.100 --> 02:08:49.940 It's just five bucks a month. 02:08:50.080 --> 02:08:51.580 It's an easy way to support my work. 02:08:51.900 --> 02:08:55.740 I pour my entire weeks and months of years 02:08:55.740 --> 02:08:58.100 into this program for you guys. 02:08:58.240 --> 02:08:59.680 And I know so many of you appreciate it. 02:08:59.840 --> 02:09:02.840 It's a very economical way to show support 02:09:02.840 --> 02:09:04.900 and it allows me to not sell out. 02:09:04.900 --> 02:09:05.940 And for the record, 02:09:06.360 --> 02:09:07.220 even if you didn't support me, 02:09:07.360 --> 02:09:08.280 I'm not gonna sell out regardless. 02:09:08.640 --> 02:09:09.840 But I just don't have it in me. 02:09:10.180 --> 02:09:13.400 But it's an easy way to show a little financial support 02:09:13.400 --> 02:09:14.720 to take some of the pressure off. 02:09:14.840 --> 02:09:17.680 And most importantly, to help me grow this show. 02:09:18.500 --> 02:09:18.960 Thank you guys. 02:09:19.160 --> 02:09:20.520 Subscribe to Liberty Lockdown, 02:09:20.740 --> 02:09:22.060 great podcast, Clint is tight. 02:09:22.460 --> 02:09:23.420 Wir waren die besten. 02:09:23.760 --> 02:09:25.420 Wir waren besser als alle anderen. 02:09:25.720 --> 02:09:28.200 Die Geschichte eines ostdeutschen Startup-Wunders 02:09:28.200 --> 02:09:29.400 mit Millionen umsetzen. 02:09:29.780 --> 02:09:31.600 Junester, das Unternehmen hinter, 02:09:31.780 --> 02:09:32.760 App in denUrlaub.de. 02:09:32.760 --> 02:09:34.600 App in denUrlaub. 02:09:34.720 --> 02:09:36.840 Doch dann Betrugsvorwürfe. 02:09:36.940 --> 02:09:39.980 Das Unternehmen hat maßenhaft und schwer Rechtsverletzung begangen. 02:09:40.100 --> 02:09:41.100 Dubiose Geschäfte. 02:09:41.280 --> 02:09:44.060 Man war so hoch aufgestiegen, dass man sich für unverletzlich will. 02:09:44.380 --> 02:09:47.700 App in denUrlaub, der Crash des Internet-Imperiums-Unister. 02:09:47.820 --> 02:09:49.920 Jetzt in der ARD-Sounds-App. 02:09:50.100 --> 02:09:51.720 Und überall, wo es Podcast gibt.