WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.120 Hey everybody, Tom Woods here. It's episode 2749 of the Tom Woods show. We all know who Scott Horton is, 00:05.340 --> 00:09.900 host of the Scott Horton show, director of the Libertarian Institute, just everything in the 00:09.900 --> 00:14.080 history of the world, director of the Scott Horton Academy, which of course you are all 00:14.080 --> 00:20.880 members of, scothortonacademy.com. And I want to talk to him about a question that is of course 00:20.880 --> 00:28.940 related to this current Iran war, but goes beyond it. And that is the issue of not just the 00:28.940 --> 00:35.160 subject of Israel, but specifically the question of where do Israeli and American interests diverge? 00:35.760 --> 00:40.600 Because as I keep saying in recent episodes, you pick any two countries, they'll always have 00:40.600 --> 00:46.680 something in common, but they'll also have areas in which their interests are at odds with each 00:46.680 --> 00:51.540 other. And I want to kind of flesh that out a bit. Poor Scott is in the, I'm going to just 00:52.060 --> 00:56.120 spill the beans here, he's in the middle of moving. So for a while it was Scott in front 00:56.120 --> 01:00.860 of bookcases full of books. Then it was Scott in front of bookcases with no books on them. 01:01.340 --> 01:03.780 And now it's Scott with no bookcases. So welcome, Scott. 01:04.700 --> 01:06.100 Happy to be here, Tom. Thank you. 01:07.140 --> 01:12.300 All right. Let me start with a little commentary on my own and then we'll go from there. So 01:13.560 --> 01:20.600 the US so-called special relationship with Israel didn't develop immediately in 1948, 01:20.600 --> 01:28.200 even though the US recognized the independence of the state of Israel almost immediately. 01:28.920 --> 01:38.640 But I will say that at that time, there was a perceived issue that could arise given that the 01:38.640 --> 01:45.520 US had implicitly endorsed the state of Israel. It seemed like it was endorsing, 01:46.160 --> 01:49.660 you know, by being so quick to recognize that it was endorsing its behavior 01:49.660 --> 01:54.200 toward the Palestinians and particularly the Palestinian refugee problem, 01:54.500 --> 01:58.500 which even Harry Truman, who was anxious to support the state of Israel, 01:58.880 --> 02:03.400 at least in his words, said he was unhappy with. And a lot of people were unhappy with the way 02:03.400 --> 02:07.380 to say the least. Israel was handling the Israeli refugee problem. And if you look 02:07.380 --> 02:13.280 at State Department statements at the time, they are warning that the United States is 02:13.280 --> 02:19.820 going to attract whatever enemies Israel attracts as a result of this unresolved refugee problem. 02:20.360 --> 02:25.100 And so we need to proceed with caution. So right off the bat, there was a sense that 02:25.100 --> 02:29.820 the interests of the United States and of Israel were not necessarily aligned, 02:29.920 --> 02:35.020 certainly on that issue. But this comes into much greater relief, obviously, 02:35.560 --> 02:41.580 as the United States and Israel become much closer, more closely aligned, as we can see, 02:41.580 --> 02:45.400 for example, in all, not that I put a lot of stock in the United Nations, 02:45.480 --> 02:49.300 but all the UN votes that are, you know, whatever, 160 something to two, 02:49.520 --> 02:54.420 and the two are Israel and the United States, this problem becomes clearer and clearer. 02:55.000 --> 03:00.660 So let's start off, Scott, just speaking very broadly, not about any specific issue, 03:00.720 --> 03:06.240 but very broadly, what is it that Israel wants to see happen in the Middle East? 03:06.680 --> 03:11.260 Whereas if the United States had its way, what would it prefer to see in the Middle 03:11.260 --> 03:16.560 East? Assuming it wasn't, you know, completely staffed by people who already agreed with Israel. 03:17.460 --> 03:24.500 Well, the Israelis, I mean, are led by the Likud Party, which is a right-wing nationalist 03:24.500 --> 03:31.320 government that is founded on a doctrine of creating a greater Israel. So at a minimum, 03:31.420 --> 03:36.260 that means that they wish to expel all the Palestinians from the West Bank and cause a 03:36.260 --> 03:41.340 strip and keep all that land for themselves. More maximalist takes, as we can see actually 03:41.860 --> 03:45.660 happening in front of our eyes right now, would be the seizure of Southern Lebanon, 03:45.900 --> 03:52.980 maybe even all of Lebanon, parts of Syria, and ultimately all of Jordan, and all the way, 03:53.160 --> 03:57.840 all of Western Iraq, all the way to the Euphrates River, and then down the coast of 03:57.840 --> 04:02.800 the Red Sea on the Saudi side and the Egyptian side. That is supposedly all the land 04:02.800 --> 04:08.780 of Israel from the Bible. And as Mike Huckabee explained to Tucker Carlson, that yes, 04:08.920 --> 04:14.820 I'd be happy if they took it all. That's their point of view of the Zionists. And that's why Israel 04:14.820 --> 04:21.260 is actually the only country, I'm thinking in the world, that certainly on America's 04:21.260 --> 04:25.040 dola, a so-called ally of ours, even though we have no actual Treaty of Alliance, 04:25.600 --> 04:30.020 that has no undefined, that has no defined borders. They refuse to say where their 04:30.020 --> 04:34.760 borders are because they mean to continually expand them. And that means especially, 04:35.320 --> 04:41.220 back to the more minimal mistake here, it means at the expense of the absolute horrific 04:41.220 --> 04:47.540 persecution of the Palestinians whose land they've already stolen and are in the process of stealing 04:47.540 --> 04:52.460 the rest of, and they must be tortured and murdered and their children killed and their 04:53.420 --> 04:59.140 societies obliterated so that they can finally be cleansed. As we saw in the case of the 04:59.140 --> 05:03.860 two-year slaughter of the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip, as I said over and over and over again 05:03.860 --> 05:09.660 explicitly, their goal was to reduce the standard of living so low that the people would finally just 05:09.660 --> 05:15.300 give up and leave so-called voluntarily, would emigrate to just somewhere else that they would 05:15.300 --> 05:21.660 just give up and let Jerry Kushner and them build their Miami on the Mediterranean without 05:21.660 --> 05:27.340 Palestinians. And same thing ultimately for the West Bank, we see constant pogroms going 05:27.340 --> 05:33.500 on in the West Bank. And the potential is there, obviously, for them to just simply start bombing 05:34.140 --> 05:38.680 Ramallah and Bethlehem and Hebron and the other Palestinian cities there in the way that they 05:38.680 --> 05:44.240 did the Gaza Strip in order to force them all to simply just flee. And I think that's probably in 05:44.240 --> 05:51.040 the medium term, if not short-term future here. With Donald Trump, it's sort of like they 05:51.040 --> 05:54.480 had their last chance to get away with it. Well, maybe not their very last chance, but 05:54.480 --> 05:59.640 a big chance to get away with as much as they possibly can. And so we see as soon as they 05:59.640 --> 06:05.380 started the war in Iran, they immediately invaded Lebanon and are taking as much of Lebanon as they 06:05.380 --> 06:09.840 can take. I remember years ago on your show, I said, yeah, Tom, they want to ultimately go up to 06:09.840 --> 06:15.420 at least the Latani River in Lebanon. That goes back to Jabotinsky and the founders of Zionism. 06:15.800 --> 06:19.600 And some guy in my email told me what an idiot I was and how I had no idea what I was 06:19.600 --> 06:23.120 talking about. Well, that's what they're doing right this minute is taking all that land 06:23.120 --> 06:27.660 up to the Latani River and then even the one north of there and cleansed already a million 06:27.660 --> 06:32.640 people out of their homes, more than the Nakba in southern Lebanon right now, just in the last few 06:32.640 --> 06:38.720 weeks under the cover of the war in Iran. Now, America's interests are entirely different. America's 06:38.720 --> 06:43.120 interests are, well, first of all, there's the interest of the American people, which is, 06:43.180 --> 06:47.800 we just want to be free and live in prosperity and we don't need that oil. It really has 06:47.800 --> 06:54.780 nothing to do with us. So our interest is just in peace and commerce and free trade throughout 06:54.780 --> 06:59.560 the world as best as we can. Honest friendship with everybody. That's the American people's 06:59.560 --> 07:05.480 interests. But even the American empire's interest is in dominating the nations of the region, 07:05.700 --> 07:10.280 keeping compliant puppets in there, and so that and controlling the choke points, 07:10.380 --> 07:14.240 so that in the event of war with China, we can cut them off of Middle Eastern oil, 07:14.240 --> 07:18.860 or for that matter, that we can lord it over our allies, especially in eastern Asia, 07:19.060 --> 07:22.780 like Japan and South Korea, that they better stay our allies and not dream of becoming 07:22.780 --> 07:28.520 anybody else's allies because we can close off those choke points. But that, of course, is 07:29.460 --> 07:35.900 all in the event of a crisis. I mean, the major interest of certainly the oil companies is 07:35.900 --> 07:42.800 simply in stability and that tends to go really, I think, for the Pentagon, for the joint 07:42.800 --> 07:49.840 staff and the major, at least, old establishment. You probably heard me point out before that 07:49.840 --> 07:57.240 at the end of the Cold War and the onset of the Bill Clinton administration in 1993 that you had 07:57.240 --> 08:04.160 Zabini Brzezinski, who along with Jimmy Carter was tied for most agonist space for the 08:04.160 --> 08:08.720 failure of the hostage crisis and the Iranian revolution and all of that. 08:08.720 --> 08:15.280 Well, by 1993, Brzezinski was saying we should normalize relations with Iran and because really 08:15.280 --> 08:20.720 wanted to stick it to the Russians and stick all their sodas straws in the Caspian Basin and then 08:20.720 --> 08:28.000 pump all that oil across Iran to stations on the Persian Gulf. And Alexander Haig, 08:28.100 --> 08:37.340 who had been reigned in Secretary of State, agreed. That was what we should be doing. And then 08:37.820 --> 08:44.280 Defense Secretary and then CEO of Haliburton on numerous occasions denounced Bill Clinton's policy 08:44.280 --> 08:49.240 for his sanctions on Iran because he said we should build oil pipelines out of the Caspian Basin 08:49.240 --> 08:54.060 across Iran. They all agreed this would be a way to help normalize relations with Iran, 08:54.060 --> 08:58.740 as well as make some money for the Americans and again, the strategy of sticking it to the 08:58.740 --> 09:03.220 Russians and getting all those hydrocarbons out of the Caspian Basin without having to go 09:03.220 --> 09:09.960 through the Caucasus or through the North Caucasus. So, and then we see, for example, 09:10.840 --> 09:19.180 I think very telling is after H.W. Bush won Iraq War One, he and his Secretary of State James Baker 09:19.180 --> 09:24.840 started pushing for and did create the Madrid Conference where they wanted to get the ball 09:24.840 --> 09:33.340 rolling on a Palestinian state. And he had a notorious fight with the Israel lobby over his 09:34.440 --> 09:39.560 withholding of loan guarantees. As you and your audience know, a loan guarantee is when 09:39.560 --> 09:44.840 Uncle Sam gives welfare to a foreign country on the American taxpayers' dime. They call it a loan 09:44.840 --> 09:48.620 at first until they don't pay it back and then don't worry, it's guaranteed by the American 09:48.620 --> 09:54.400 taxpayer. So H.W. Bush said, you can't have these loan guarantees until you rein in the 09:54.400 --> 09:59.560 settlements on the West Bank. And he famously said, geez, I'm just one guy up against all these 09:59.560 --> 10:02.960 lobbyists on the Hill. And that's what he was talking about was the Israel lobby. 10:03.660 --> 10:07.420 And they went after him really hard. And this ended up becoming a real problem 10:07.420 --> 10:13.620 for his reelection campaign in 1992 because his Secretary of State James Baker, I'm sure he 10:13.620 --> 10:20.280 said it in jest, Tom, if you're familiar with James Baker and his character, I sincerely doubt 10:20.280 --> 10:26.040 he meant this in a bad way, in a sincerely bad way. But he was quoted and it was in print. 10:26.360 --> 10:31.280 And it's not as funny in print. He said, F the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway. 10:31.900 --> 10:36.140 Well, they do write checks and they do control MTV and the entire rock the vote 10:36.140 --> 10:40.900 movement, dude. And so out you go and in comes Bill Clinton who ran to H.W. Bush's 10:40.900 --> 10:46.760 right in 1992 on the issue of the settlements. In fact, you can read at MondoWeiss.net where H.W. 10:46.900 --> 10:52.160 Bush later did blame the Israel lobby for his loss that they arrayed the entire kind of media 10:52.160 --> 10:58.660 establishment and everybody else against him for the election of 1992. And then the same thing 10:58.660 --> 11:05.480 happened after September 11, when like his father, W. Bush had an approval rating in the high 11:05.480 --> 11:12.320 80s and even above 90% and Colin Powell, who had been Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for 11:12.320 --> 11:19.160 his father. And before that had been Nationalist Security Advisor for Ronald Reagan was now W. 11:19.320 --> 11:24.760 Bush's Secretary of State. So Powell was able to convince W. Bush that this is necessary. 11:24.900 --> 11:29.540 This is one of the main causes of terrorism against the United States is that we support 11:29.540 --> 11:36.820 Israel and their perpetual denial of independence and or citizenship to the Palestinian people. 11:37.040 --> 11:39.880 And this is a problem that we absolutely have to solve. 11:40.260 --> 11:41.920 Do you mean in the occupied territories? 11:42.700 --> 11:46.440 Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, why can't they just go live in somebody else's country? 11:46.740 --> 11:50.800 Which is exactly the same thing as I'm telling you, why don't you go live in some other country? 11:51.480 --> 11:56.420 At least they're from there. Why don't the Israelis move to Europe where they're 11:56.420 --> 12:00.860 actually from? Although many of them were born there now after all these decades, but 12:02.380 --> 12:08.820 anyways, point being that they were to have this sort of pseudo state, not a real state, 12:08.880 --> 12:14.640 but something like a binational type arrangement in the West Bank and Gaza, but it would be much 12:14.640 --> 12:20.880 more independence and prosperity than what they have under the current occupation situation for 12:20.880 --> 12:28.020 sure. But then Eris Heron beat him. And it's in Mir Shimer and Walt's paper, The Israel Lobby, 12:28.040 --> 12:32.540 which anyone can read at antiwar.com. And they also wrote a book developing the same thing. 12:33.380 --> 12:41.220 And they tell the story of how the majority whip of the House of Representatives, so the third 12:41.220 --> 12:51.340 ranking Republican in the House, the exterminator Tom Delay came and told W. Bush, hey, Mr. President, 12:51.560 --> 12:55.900 you want to be a one-term president like your father? Because I guarantee you, you do this 12:55.900 --> 13:01.140 two-state solution. Every single evangelical Christian is going to stay home in 2004 and you're 13:01.140 --> 13:07.480 going to lose. And so Bush blinked and back down. And Eris Heron's men even mocked him in 13:07.480 --> 13:11.580 a press and said, yeah, we saw the whites in their eyes, but they blinked first and turned around. 13:11.780 --> 13:18.500 Well, then back up for a minute. In that case, then, if we're talking about American 13:18.500 --> 13:23.220 interests versus Israeli interests, well, look, the Christian Zionist heretics, though they may be, 13:23.700 --> 13:28.560 they are American just like you and me, and they have an opinion and they have a stance. So if 13:28.560 --> 13:33.800 a lot of them think, you know, so maybe that's American interest. So what makes you say that's 13:33.800 --> 13:38.500 not the true American interest? Well, I don't know exactly what the proportions are, 13:38.540 --> 13:44.600 but I know that it is far from unanimous, even among dispensationalist evangelical Christians, 13:45.620 --> 13:54.380 that somehow they are supposed to participate in politics in as far as the Holy Land in order 13:54.380 --> 14:01.720 to somehow coerce Jesus into coming back sooner and performing the rapture. You know, this is 14:01.720 --> 14:06.280 the line that has been pushed by the likes of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Robert Tilton, 14:06.760 --> 14:10.820 and especially John Haguey and others of these guys over the decades. And of course, 14:10.880 --> 14:15.640 this was very popular in the W. Bush years because it was right, the new millennium, 14:15.720 --> 14:19.340 the turn of the year 2000, and you had all these left behind books that they sold at 14:19.340 --> 14:23.160 Walmart that said that here's what the end times is all going to look like. And it's, 14:23.560 --> 14:28.480 you know, basically David Koresh in a nicer jacket, but it's the same kind of like, 14:28.480 --> 14:34.500 it's your role to not just read the biblical prophecies, but to their side with certainty that 14:34.500 --> 14:40.820 you know what they say and exactly what they say and what you are supposed to do to make it all come 14:40.820 --> 14:48.080 true. And basically what's happened is they were all promised that 25 years ago, 20 years ago, 14:48.100 --> 14:52.700 and none of it came true, or they got left behind with the rest of us. But, you know, 14:52.760 --> 14:57.280 obviously the whole thing was a hoax. And so a lot of people are really seeing through that. 14:57.280 --> 15:02.600 In fact, I saw your great interview on our McIntyre show the other day where he said that was to 15:02.600 --> 15:07.260 know you that he was raised in, but that people just don't believe in that stuff anymore, especially 15:07.260 --> 15:12.760 the young. They're just not buying it. So yes, some Americans do believe that the USA, 15:13.000 --> 15:18.320 even though North America is not in the Bible anywhere for obvious reasons, that the middle 15:18.320 --> 15:22.960 part of North America is mandated to carry out this policy to serve the Israelis over there. 15:22.960 --> 15:27.720 It's a vanishingly small number of American Christians who believe that it's nothing like 15:27.720 --> 15:32.320 the majority will of the population of this country. And frankly, it's completely stupid, 15:32.460 --> 15:37.220 ridiculous, idiotic superstitions that no offense to people, but if they do believe in it, 15:37.680 --> 15:42.480 they're victims. They've been propagandized by people essentially serving a foreign power. 15:43.140 --> 15:49.420 But there couldn't be anything further from the truth that Jesus is about to come back 15:49.420 --> 15:55.020 because evangelical Christians twisted Uncle Sam's arm into supporting the Lakut over there, 15:55.280 --> 15:59.860 and that, oh, but if you didn't play that proper role, he wouldn't come back. And it'd be all your 15:59.860 --> 16:05.900 fault that the Savior didn't come. This is complete nonsense. And whatever, not to tell 16:05.900 --> 16:09.840 people they're religion, but give me a break, dude. There's a million sets of Christianity that 16:09.840 --> 16:14.700 don't believe that. Hey, gang, if you've ever searched for your name or address in Google, 16:14.700 --> 16:19.080 I bet you were shocked to find how many results contained your personal information. 16:19.480 --> 16:22.580 That information is out there. 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Well, why don't we say that as it happens for your 17:39.180 --> 17:44.720 convenience, the Scott Horton Academy actually created a course on what actual Christianity 17:45.260 --> 17:51.600 has to say about these questions with a, I would say, distinguished Lutheran theologian teaching it. 17:52.100 --> 17:57.160 So if you're not a member of the Scott Horton Academy, you'd know all this stuff inside now. 17:57.620 --> 18:00.540 So check that out, scotthortonacademy.com. See, I'm good at this, Scott. 18:00.980 --> 18:05.880 Absolutely. And then look, okay, so if you believe that like, yes, we're all going to 18:05.880 --> 18:11.280 get raptured, it's fine. So let's start a nuclear war. Then yeah, great. But for everybody else, 18:11.800 --> 18:17.800 you know, this is absolutely completely dangerous and preposterous to get us into a war for religious 18:17.800 --> 18:24.540 reasons in this way. And based on, especially predictions based on prophecies interpreted 18:24.540 --> 18:30.400 out of the Bible, it's just nuts to think that that would have sway over how these decisions 18:30.400 --> 18:37.200 are made. Give me the old line Episcopalians over this kind of craziness, you know what I mean? 18:37.280 --> 18:42.700 But again, there are many millions of American Baptists and Methodists and other sorts of 18:42.700 --> 18:47.820 evangelical Christians who do not believe in this stuff. And even, I'm not the expert on this, 18:47.920 --> 18:52.920 but the dispensations and the dispensationalists, there are dispensationalists who think it's 18:52.920 --> 18:56.060 very important that we're changing from one age into another right now and whatever. 18:56.060 --> 19:01.540 They still don't believe the blasphemies of the preacher of San Antonio who says that you got to 19:01.540 --> 19:06.960 go kill babies for Israel in order to make this stuff come true. And so that is really being soundly 19:06.960 --> 19:11.680 rejected. And then, but by the way, so then that would be us scraping the bottom of the barrel, 19:11.840 --> 19:18.160 looking for excuses for what America has to do, what about our interests coincide with the 19:18.160 --> 19:26.560 Israelis at all? When if you look back at the end of the Cold War, when their excuse was no longer 19:26.560 --> 19:32.040 where you need us to keep the commies at bay, which was not really an issue anyway, but without 19:32.040 --> 19:39.000 that excuse, they had to come up with this scam about we have to fight together against 19:40.680 --> 19:44.820 Islamic fundamentalism. And with this public relations, Tom, you know, 19:44.820 --> 19:50.060 Trita Parsi showed in his book, he interviews these high level Israeli strategists who said, 19:50.180 --> 19:56.640 listen, our goal was we had to come up with an excuse. We needed new glue for the alliance with 19:56.640 --> 20:01.800 the United States of America. So we decided to turn on our friends, the Iranian fundamentalists 20:01.800 --> 20:06.040 who had overthrown the government more than a decade before over in Iran. And they decided to 20:06.040 --> 20:11.400 turn on them and say, look, Islamic fundamentalism, just to come up with something to have in 20:11.400 --> 20:15.100 common with the United States. And then by the way, and that convenient that Muslims are most of 20:15.100 --> 20:19.600 the people who they want to murder and steal their property from. And so if they can get Americans 20:20.120 --> 20:25.920 to resent Muslims and hate and fear Muslims, and they can get us to aid and abet their conquering 20:25.920 --> 20:30.740 of Muslim people in their own neighborhood. And I'll tell you something, Tom, when we talked 20:30.740 --> 20:34.760 about this along a lot of times before, when it comes to bin Ladenite terrorism, 20:34.760 --> 20:40.160 and the motive of really America, Saudi and Britain's pet terrorists to turn against 20:40.160 --> 20:45.940 the United States as they have done on numerous occasions, that it's America's support for Israel 20:45.940 --> 20:51.620 that has driven so much of that. And guess what? I know you're familiar with that New York Times 20:51.620 --> 20:57.280 story from the night of September 11th, 2001, when James Bennett from the New York Times called 20:57.280 --> 21:02.720 up Benjamin Netanyahu. And he asked him, Benjamin Netanyahu, what do you think that this attack 21:02.720 --> 21:08.900 means for America's relationship with Israel? And Netanyahu said, quote, it's very good, 21:09.800 --> 21:15.800 end quote. And he said, oh, or, you know, I mean, not that it's very good, but just it'll help to 21:15.800 --> 21:20.560 strengthen the sympathies, you know, between us for our common enemy, et cetera, et cetera, blah, 21:20.640 --> 21:25.080 blah, blah. But guess what, Tom, you won't be surprised to find out the New York Times 21:25.080 --> 21:30.420 actually edited out part of his answer. But 10 years later and lost to me, 21:30.420 --> 21:37.160 thank you to John Schwartz, no T, J-O-N, no H, Schwartz pointed this out the other day that on 21:37.160 --> 21:44.360 the 10th anniversary of September 11, September 11, 2011, James Bennett, the same reporter, wrote 21:44.360 --> 21:50.440 a piece for the Atlantic, where he has another quote from Netanyahu from September 11, from that 21:50.440 --> 21:54.840 same interview that the New York Times decided to leave on the cutting room floor. Guess 21:54.840 --> 22:02.820 what it was? It was Netanyahu musing to himself. I wonder if the Americans will blame us for this. 22:05.280 --> 22:10.480 No, he decides, I'm sure it won't. It'll just, you know, strengthen solidarity, 22:11.100 --> 22:16.520 you know, and sympathy between us. But he couldn't help but wonder out loud whether the American 22:16.520 --> 22:21.840 people would blame Israel or September 11. And he didn't mean Mossad agents crawling around 22:21.840 --> 22:27.880 Clinton bombs in the towers. He meant because he knew good and well that it was Israel's sins 22:27.880 --> 22:33.120 that motivated the bin Ladenite terrorists to attack the United States of America, 22:33.420 --> 22:39.620 not entirely, but in great measure, especially Bill Clinton's dual containment policy that 22:39.620 --> 22:45.120 kept the troops in Saudi Arabia in order to bomb and blockade Iraq throughout the 1990s, 22:45.300 --> 22:49.500 and then outright support for the Israelis in their wars against the Palestinians and the 22:49.500 --> 22:56.020 Lebanese. I've told the story many times about how when Shimon Peres invaded Lebanon in 1996, 22:57.140 --> 23:02.940 that day, Mohammad Atta, the head hijacker from September 11, and his buddy Ramazan al-Shid 23:03.640 --> 23:07.520 decided to fill out their last will and testament, which was like their symbolic joining the 23:07.520 --> 23:12.860 army in the great fight against the United States. And then a couple of days after that, it 23:12.860 --> 23:17.380 was literally Naqtali Bennett, the once and future Prime Minister of Israel, at that time 23:17.380 --> 23:23.940 future Prime Minister of Israel. He called in an artillery strike on a UN shelter that killed 23:23.940 --> 23:32.780 106 women and children. And when he did that, bin Laden ended up writing about that in his first 23:32.780 --> 23:37.060 declaration of war against the United States a couple of months later. And right there on the 23:37.060 --> 23:42.240 first page, he talks about the Kana maskers as we'll never forget the severed heads and arms 23:42.240 --> 23:48.200 and legs of the babies and the children and women from Kana. And that was when Mohammad Atta 23:48.200 --> 23:54.760 and Ramzi bin al-Shid decided to join up the fight against the United States. So here we have Egyptian 23:54.760 --> 24:02.040 engineering students go to Afghanistan to volunteer for a Saudi shake to kill Americans as revenge 24:02.040 --> 24:07.760 for what Israel is doing in Lebanon. And Benjamin Netanyahu understood that dynamic. 24:07.760 --> 24:13.380 That's what he was abusing about out loud to James Bennett. I wonder if Tom Woods will say 24:13.380 --> 24:18.440 that this would have never happened if it wasn't for Bill Clinton's support for Israel. And they 24:18.440 --> 24:22.260 said, no, no, no, Tom, they hate you because you're free. They hate you because you love your 24:22.260 --> 24:25.940 mama. You're not going to stop loving your mama, are you? Well, then we've got to go to war. 24:26.160 --> 24:29.120 And that was the way that they pushed it. That was the way that they sold it. They 24:29.120 --> 24:33.420 couldn't possibly tell the truth to the American people. But actually, Bill Clinton is not 24:33.420 --> 24:39.020 just a face-biting rapist and a church-burning serial killer here at home, but he's also been 24:39.020 --> 24:44.540 considered by many to be the mad bomber overseas where he bombed Iraq on average every other day 24:44.540 --> 24:49.060 for eight years straight and where he supported the Israelis and their ruthless violence against 24:49.060 --> 24:55.200 the Lebanese and the Palestinians. That's why, Tom, when Ron Paul said the truth in May 2007, 24:55.440 --> 24:59.820 when he beat the crap out of Rudy Giuliani in the famous Giuliani moment, what was it? 24:59.820 --> 25:05.440 What was the Giuliani moment? It was Ron Paul. So we were bombing Iraq for 10 years 25:06.060 --> 25:10.780 before the terrorists attacked us. And that's why they attacked us because we were bombing 25:10.780 --> 25:15.180 Iraq from bases in Saudi. And Giuliani said, jeez, I never heard anything so crazy, 25:15.340 --> 25:19.880 but the American people knew that that was true. Hey, I remember Bill Clinton using 25:19.880 --> 25:26.480 massive violence the entire time that he was in office. I wonder if Ron Paul's right about 25:26.480 --> 25:30.800 this. And clearly he had the respect to tell us the truth about the nature of our problem. 25:31.160 --> 25:36.860 Our problem was ultimately Zionism. Well, let's, what might as well fast forward to 25:36.860 --> 25:42.180 Iran today. Regardless of how this, you know, what the ins and outs are of 25:43.200 --> 25:47.580 whatever Trump is able to hammer out, if anything, if the Iranians are in the mood 25:47.580 --> 25:51.900 to negotiate, which is a big question. But what we, what I want to know is 25:53.480 --> 25:59.720 I hear a lot of propaganda about, look, Iran has been at war with the U.S. for 47 years, 25:59.900 --> 26:04.400 and they did this and they did that, this that and the other thing. And so, you know, 26:04.460 --> 26:08.400 Donald Trump isn't actually starting a war. Of course, we're not even calling it a war. 26:08.940 --> 26:12.800 He's finishing one, you know, this is, and so this is quote America first, you know, 26:12.840 --> 26:17.260 they have to misuse the term America first over and over and over just to really stick it to 26:17.260 --> 26:24.300 us. But they're framing it as, you know, all these other presidents were wimps and failures 26:24.300 --> 26:30.680 because they wouldn't face the Iranian regime head on, which has been our mortal enemy for 47 years. 26:31.000 --> 26:36.160 So the way they're phrasing it is, the U.S. has had this mortal enemy for 47 years, 26:36.240 --> 26:40.240 and now is as good a time as any to put a stop to it. Now that doesn't sound like 26:40.240 --> 26:45.140 it has anything to do with, with Israel. So what's the real story? And again, 26:45.700 --> 26:49.820 where is the divergence? Just today, I haven't, I'm sorry, I didn't have time to watch it. 26:50.100 --> 26:56.120 But Dinesh D'Souza released a video in which he said, the ground invasion idea is where the 26:56.120 --> 27:00.880 interests diverge. The United States should not engage in a ground invasion, even though 27:00.880 --> 27:06.280 Israel wants us to. That was a surprise to me to hear him say that. So fill in all these gaps 27:06.280 --> 27:12.420 for us. Yeah. Well, first of all, just like in your question, isn't it funny how 27:13.360 --> 27:19.580 when America is literally bombing the Jesus out of their country, including their capital city 27:19.580 --> 27:25.360 and all their military forces and all that, that's not war. But when Iran is just sitting there or 27:25.360 --> 27:30.500 maybe chanting death to America or calling us names, oh, the great Satan, that's a war. 27:31.060 --> 27:35.140 And we're supposed to be upset. We're supposed to believe that they've been at war with us 27:35.140 --> 27:38.560 for 47 years, but we haven't been at war with them for five weeks. 27:39.100 --> 27:44.600 Oh, what? I mean, the same people who are telling you that clearly don't believe what they're saying 27:44.600 --> 27:49.000 because their lives are too preposterous to even consider. But then also, by the way, Scott, 27:49.480 --> 27:56.200 I am pretty sure that if I go back and look, I can find rhetoric from the Christian right, 27:56.460 --> 28:01.980 the really hardcore Christian right in which they essentially call the US government the great 28:01.980 --> 28:07.260 Satan because of abortion, because of homosexuality, because of transgender. 28:07.260 --> 28:12.460 I'm sure they've called it the great Satan. Here's an area of agreement you have. 28:14.700 --> 28:18.580 Yeah, exactly. That was actually, Dinesh D'Souza wrote a book like that. He said, 28:18.740 --> 28:23.020 they do hate us for our freedom. That's why we should give up freedom and we should have 28:23.020 --> 28:28.780 much more authoritarian right wing society so that we're not so free so that the terrorists 28:28.780 --> 28:35.560 don't hate us anymore. So that guy's an idiot. He's lost to that. But the thing of it is, 28:35.560 --> 28:42.460 look, and notice they picked 47 years. Well, why not 73? That was when America overthrew the government 28:42.460 --> 28:46.720 there. America supported the rise of Mohammed Mosaddek and then stabbed him in the back and 28:46.720 --> 28:51.640 overthrew him and supported the reinstallation of the Shah-Raz-e-Palawi who was the fascist dictator. 28:51.820 --> 28:54.380 I think you, did you say 53 or 73? Yeah, 53. Yeah. 28:55.820 --> 28:59.860 Yeah, 73 years ago. Oh, 73 years ago. Yeah, right. Of course, right. I think I did the 28:59.860 --> 29:04.580 matter. Yeah. Yeah, we've been at war with them for 73 years. Yeah, right. They've been 29:04.580 --> 29:11.700 at war with us for 47, you know? And so, or was it 72? I don't know. I suck at arithmetic when 29:11.700 --> 29:17.300 I'm live. Leave me alone. But the point being that America overthrew their government in 1953 29:17.300 --> 29:23.700 in the Eisenhower years and supported a right-wing military dictator over their gantry until 1979. 29:24.560 --> 29:29.440 And then Jimmy Carter was convinced by the CIA and the State Department that it would be a good 29:29.440 --> 29:34.620 idea to send the Ayatollah Khomeini home from France to inherit the revolution. They said, 29:34.640 --> 29:39.360 we know this guy. He's a friend of ours. He was part of a group of Shiite clerics who helped agitate 29:39.360 --> 29:46.340 against Mosaddek back in 53. We can deal with him. And the revolution was successful in February of 29:46.340 --> 29:51.900 1979. The hostage crisis didn't break out until November. People forget that Carter spent most 29:51.900 --> 29:57.180 of the year 79 trying to be friends with the new regime. What happened was David Rockefeller 29:57.180 --> 30:03.580 convinced Jimmy Carter to let the Shah into the country for cancer treatment. And the Iranians, at 30:03.580 --> 30:08.220 least the students, and I guess IRGC took that as a symbol that they were going to try to nurse the 30:08.220 --> 30:13.320 Shah back to health and reinstall him in a counter-revolutionary coup. And so they rated the 30:13.320 --> 30:17.760 embassy, which is where the previous coup had been staged from, and took those hostages, 30:18.000 --> 30:22.500 not to justify it, but just to explain, that was what actually happened there, was 30:22.500 --> 30:28.600 America couldn't got along with the Ayatollah after the revolution. It was just that they really 30:28.600 --> 30:35.720 screwed up doing this favor for David Rockefeller that created this absolute public relations 30:35.720 --> 30:39.980 disaster for the Democrats, which was then compounded when they did their failed rescue 30:39.980 --> 30:44.900 mission, Eagle Claw, where the guys were killed out in the desert and had to abort. 30:45.340 --> 30:53.760 And so then they launched the Carter Doctrine, which declared that the Persian Gulf was an American 30:53.760 --> 30:58.500 lake and started building up massive military bases across the region. And then in September of 30:58.500 --> 31:04.480 that year, Jimmy Carter's government gave the green light to the new dictator of Iraq, 31:04.780 --> 31:09.540 who was not the result of a revolution. He took power to bloody coup d'etat against his 31:09.540 --> 31:16.920 predecessor in that same year. And in 1980, Jimmy Carter gave him the green light to invade Iran 31:16.920 --> 31:23.400 in an absolutely horrific war that included American purchases and financing and satellite 31:24.420 --> 31:32.120 targeting information to help Iraq wage chemical war against the Iranians, including with sarin and 31:32.120 --> 31:37.420 tabin nerve gas and mustard gas and help them to develop anthrax, although I don't know if 31:37.420 --> 31:42.320 they ever actually deployed it in the war. They later tried to frame up Iraq for doing the 31:42.320 --> 31:46.700 anthrax attack on the United States. And no one you might remember, because guess what? We know 31:46.700 --> 31:51.180 he has anthrax because as Bill Hicks would say, we looked at the receipt, says it right there. 31:52.620 --> 32:00.240 And so something like half a million were killed on both sides of that war. Is that Iran? 32:00.700 --> 32:04.600 Being at war with the United States when Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan support Saddam 32:04.600 --> 32:09.680 Hussein, you know, the Hitler of the Middle East exterminating them by the hundreds of thousands 32:09.680 --> 32:17.900 for a decade straight. And then, you know, in the 1990s, as I said, when Brzezinski and Haig 32:17.900 --> 32:24.140 and Cheney said, lift the sanctions, normalize with Iran, it was the Israel lobby that vetoed 32:24.140 --> 32:29.540 it and said, absolutely not. We have to do dual containment, a policy invented by Martin 32:29.540 --> 32:36.620 Ndik, who had just come from the Yitzhak Shamir administration over in Israel and came to work 32:36.620 --> 32:41.120 for Bill Clinton, who founded the Washington Institute for Near East Policy as literally, 32:41.200 --> 32:46.420 not just figuratively, literally a spin-off of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. 32:47.080 --> 32:51.100 And it was his policy, Israel's policy, that said Bill Clinton has to stay, can't 32:51.100 --> 32:55.860 normalize relations with Iraq or Iran. It's got to stay in Saudi Arabia to contain and 32:55.860 --> 32:59.540 cold war and balance against them both through the end of the century. Again, 33:00.960 --> 33:07.280 the major out front precipitating cause for turning the Al Qaeda terrorist network against the United 33:07.280 --> 33:16.420 States. And so then in Iraq War II, which W. Bush named them in the Axis of Evil, put all 33:16.420 --> 33:21.460 these sanctions on them, and then invaded Iraq, which they thought was going to weaken Iran 33:21.460 --> 33:27.160 because they're stupid. But as soon as they did that, Iran sent what they called the golden offer, 33:27.360 --> 33:30.420 or I don't know who called it the golden offer, but they sent it through a Swiss ambassador. 33:30.920 --> 33:35.600 And the Americans, the W. Bush government just completely rejected it out of hand and even 33:35.600 --> 33:39.360 gave the Swiss ambassador dressing down, oh, I'm skipping a step, because see after September 33:39.360 --> 33:43.440 11th, they helped the Bush administration with their invasion of Afghanistan, gave them 33:43.440 --> 33:47.760 all kinds of intelligence about the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan to target them at 33:47.760 --> 33:52.740 the start of the war. And so they had an ongoing relationship with the W. Bush administration. So 33:52.740 --> 33:57.080 they had enemies in common in the bin Ladenites. And they were working with Flint Leverett on 33:57.080 --> 34:04.480 the W. Bush National Security Council on all kinds of stuff through the end of the year 2001. 34:04.780 --> 34:09.840 But then in January 02 was when W. Bush put them in the Axis of Evil, and then they started 34:09.840 --> 34:13.900 adding all these sanctions and ramping up pressure. And then there was a bad terrorist 34:13.900 --> 34:23.340 attack on some barracks, I think it was in 2004 in Saudi Arabia, and the neocons convinced W. 34:23.500 --> 34:28.920 Bush that it had been ordered by Al Qaeda commanders inside Iran, and that Iran had put 34:28.920 --> 34:34.020 them up to it. So that then because idiot W. Bush didn't know anything, because they were 34:34.020 --> 34:39.020 able to convince him of that, that then destroyed the idea of Iran being an American 34:39.020 --> 34:42.740 partner in the war against Al Qaeda. And they said, no, if you're going to back Al Qaeda, 34:42.740 --> 34:46.780 then we hate you too. And they refused to talk to them. Then came the golden offer after 34:46.780 --> 34:51.280 America invaded Iraq. They said, listen, we hate Saddam Hussein too. We'll work with you. You want 34:51.280 --> 34:55.120 to build a new government in Iraq? Negotiate with us. Work with us. We'll work together with you. 34:55.220 --> 35:00.100 We'll build a new government in Iraq. If you want us to trade, to give up on the Palestinians, 35:00.100 --> 35:06.180 fine. We'll turn it back on the Palestinians. If you want to negotiate over oil, over the 35:06.180 --> 35:10.140 nuclear program, which they were only just barely getting started, they had a totally, 35:10.140 --> 35:15.660 just a medical isotope reactor, research reactor in Tehran at that time. They said, 35:15.680 --> 35:20.520 we're willing to negotiate all of this stuff. And normalize relations right now. And W. Bush 35:20.520 --> 35:24.540 told them to go to hell. As you know, America fought Iraq war II for Iran anyway, 35:24.620 --> 35:30.540 but refused to talk to them the whole time. Blamed them every time a Shiite ever resisted 35:30.540 --> 35:36.400 when Americans attacked the Shiites then. And then why did they support Al Qaeda in Syria? 35:36.400 --> 35:42.880 They ended up even building the caliphate in Syria that they had to go to war to destroy again. 35:42.940 --> 35:47.880 It was just despite Iran and the Shiites. And then it blew up into a caliphate so bad, 35:47.900 --> 35:52.660 then they had to take Iran's side to destroy it again in Iraq war III in 2014 through 18. 35:53.240 --> 35:57.040 So the Americans have been doing everything they can this whole time, really, 35:57.420 --> 36:01.440 to stick it to the Iranians. Now, obviously, it started out over control of oil 36:02.380 --> 36:09.780 in the Cold War, but that has not been America's interest since then. Again, 36:10.520 --> 36:16.900 the Rockefeller guys wanted to normalize relations with the Ayatollah's regime. 36:17.120 --> 36:20.680 They weren't insisting on a regime change over there. They were saying we should normalize 36:20.680 --> 36:25.000 relations, we should do business with these guys. And it was the Israelis who said that we 36:25.000 --> 36:31.240 can't. And so in the broadest strokes, America's interests would be in keeping the bin Ladenites 36:31.240 --> 36:37.900 down and keeping the oil flowing. Where the Israelis position is actually they need the 36:37.900 --> 36:43.820 bin Ladenites because the bin Ladenites kill Hezbollah and they hate the Shiites more. 36:44.260 --> 36:48.120 So you couldn't have a starker difference there. And then on top of that, 36:48.600 --> 36:55.320 you know, the Sunni Shi'a divide, they prefer chaos. They prefer to reduce as like in the Odeh 36:55.320 --> 37:00.860 Dianon plan from 1980. They want to reduce and even David Worms are kind of hints at this in the 37:00.860 --> 37:05.500 clean break and in coping with crumbling states that they would like to see all these nation 37:05.500 --> 37:11.120 states in the region reduced to warring tribes. So that Israel is then the unquestioned power. 37:11.340 --> 37:15.020 I mean, that's what the clean break in the title even refers to. It's a clean break 37:15.020 --> 37:19.300 from the policy of Oslo and which Bill Clinton had begun to pursue. 37:20.720 --> 37:25.280 Even though he ran to Bush seniors right in the election, he did begin to pursue the two state 37:25.280 --> 37:33.980 solution with Yitzhak Rabin before he was assassinated in 1995. 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A number of observers said, see that right there is a problem because 39:17.260 --> 39:24.320 that is the last thing Israel wants is a prosperous, successful Iran. I assume that more or less 39:26.000 --> 39:29.340 carries into what you just said. Yeah, that's right. I mean, I think, 39:29.340 --> 39:35.620 look, if they really believed that they could parachute the Shah Reza Pahlavi's son, which would 39:35.620 --> 39:41.640 now be the grandson, to be the new monarch, I think they'd probably be happy with that. But 39:41.640 --> 39:47.160 they know that they can't do that. There is no faction ready to take over power in that country. 39:47.600 --> 39:51.500 That's why when they talk about dissident factions, they talk about Kurdish communists 39:51.500 --> 39:56.960 like P. Jack or the Mujahideen E. Kalk, communist terrorist cult, their Persians, 39:56.960 --> 40:02.660 but crazy cults of Marxist terrorists. Then you have John Dala's suicide bombers. You have 40:04.920 --> 40:09.300 monarchist mercenaries. The people of Iran are not going to accept any of these groups, 40:09.480 --> 40:13.980 seizing power. They had no ability to seize power and wield it in that country. As Donald 40:13.980 --> 40:17.840 Trump himself has admitted, he threw the monarch under the bus and said that no, 40:17.900 --> 40:21.100 we're not going to put him in power there. They don't have any illusion that it would work. 40:21.740 --> 40:24.860 Did you see a CPAC? He got a huge standing ovation. 40:26.460 --> 40:32.060 Yeah, from a bunch of Iranian expats who are essentially traders to their own country, 40:32.160 --> 40:35.400 urging their own countries, bombing and invasion by the United States. 40:36.000 --> 40:40.940 But he's got no support outside of Los Angeles or that APAC conference. 40:42.720 --> 40:46.740 Just like in Venezuela, remember Donald Trump said, we're not putting Machado in there. 40:46.740 --> 40:51.820 The Venezuelan right wing has no popular support in the country, and we're not going 40:51.820 --> 40:56.000 to try to poise them on there. So we just want to keep the current vice president in hopes that 40:56.000 --> 41:01.220 she falls in line. Well, apparently the Americans wanted something like that to happen here and 41:01.220 --> 41:05.420 said that the new regime is not going to just fall in line. I think they had that worked out 41:05.420 --> 41:09.600 in advance with the vice president of Venezuela. In fact, I don't know that, but it sure 41:09.600 --> 41:15.300 seems like it. They don't have anybody here. In fact, as repeatedly confirmed, the Israelis 41:15.780 --> 41:19.960 continue to assassinate anybody that the Americans tried to negotiate with. 41:20.340 --> 41:24.120 And Trump even hinted at this when he said he didn't want to say who he was talking to, 41:24.160 --> 41:28.340 because he didn't want them to get murdered. And now that could mean that from other people 41:28.340 --> 41:31.900 inside the regime, but I don't think so. I think he meant the Israelis will kill them 41:31.900 --> 41:36.440 as they killed Larjani and others who they were afraid that Trump would be able to 41:36.440 --> 41:42.040 negotiate with. So I think that, yes, their plan, at least be here, is to simply try to 41:42.040 --> 41:46.520 destroy Iran, to try to see what they can do to turn it into a civil war. 41:47.080 --> 41:50.660 So again, I think the problem is when you name all of the different dissident groups, 41:50.840 --> 41:53.760 I think you give them a billion dollars each, it ain't going to make a difference. 41:54.000 --> 41:57.140 They're just not going to be able to bring the firepower to bear 41:57.800 --> 42:00.380 in a way that would truly threaten the state there. 42:00.960 --> 42:05.400 Well, and then, of course, other people have said that whenever Trump says, 42:05.600 --> 42:08.620 I mean, you know, Trump says all these things about this war, all, you know, 42:08.620 --> 42:14.800 he says one thing, then he says another, but when he has, when he first started indicating that 42:14.800 --> 42:19.420 he might wind it down, I mean, now nobody knows whether to take that seriously, 42:19.420 --> 42:22.640 because he said it 12 times. But when he first started talking that way, 42:23.120 --> 42:28.440 he would say something like that. And then, you know, almost immediately Israel would bomb 42:28.440 --> 42:35.160 something, some part of civilian infrastructure in Iran that makes it harder for him to do that. 42:35.160 --> 42:41.140 And obviously the ground invasion, which Netanyahu said from the beginning you would have to have, 42:41.500 --> 42:46.400 and that they're not going to participate in, would have the effect of drawing the United States 42:46.400 --> 42:52.220 in for a longer period of time, because it seems like their interest is just in whatever erosion 42:52.220 --> 42:59.680 of the regime can be carried out by the US being present there is a good thing, 42:59.740 --> 43:04.220 even if it's an impossible slog for the US. Well, that's on our dime. 43:04.220 --> 43:07.940 And those are our people dying, but it's not Israel's problem. 43:08.140 --> 43:14.880 Yep. And by the way, you know, I gotta admit, I don't know exactly what they're planning, but 43:15.440 --> 43:20.960 the rumors that they put out, the leaks that they put out about sending in the 82nd Airborne 43:20.960 --> 43:28.140 to try to seize the buried uranium hexafluoride gas and canisters or, you know, whatever 43:28.760 --> 43:33.300 that they have there at Isfahan sounds like an absolutely impossible task. I mean, 43:33.300 --> 43:37.880 you can imagine them dropping all of Socom and JSOC in there, plus, you know, 43:38.020 --> 43:42.240 whatever 75th Rangers and 82nd Airborne and whatever to try to secure the perimeter. 43:42.680 --> 43:48.620 And then what? Build a runway and land C-130s full of earth moving equipment, 43:48.620 --> 43:53.680 or we're just going to car jack bulldozers and back hose from the neighborhood and use them 43:53.680 --> 43:59.480 to dig down, you know, past boulders into, you know, wherever they buried this stuff 43:59.480 --> 44:04.180 at Isfahan, and they're going to be able to hold back the absolute, you know, 44:04.200 --> 44:08.560 teeming hordes of people. I mean, the Isfahan facility is not far from a major city, 44:08.760 --> 44:13.980 the city of Isfahan. I mean, you could have just the men of the town come with pitchforks and 44:13.980 --> 44:19.900 rifles. It could be an unstoppable force. Never mind their million man army. I mean, 44:20.180 --> 44:25.160 and Isfahan is like more or less in the center of the country, like somewhat west, 44:25.160 --> 44:30.400 but basically do south of Tehran. It's deep inside the country. And then how do you get them back out 44:30.400 --> 44:35.640 again? I mean, it sounds completely crazy. It sounds like a Hollywood movie where all the guys die at 44:35.640 --> 44:40.560 the end except like one or two somehow escape or whatever. Like it sounds like they would be 44:40.560 --> 44:45.720 insane to do it, or, you know, or maybe they would have some idiot idea that they could 44:45.720 --> 44:50.200 just threaten to use nukes. If anybody comes near our guys, we'll nuke you or something 44:50.200 --> 44:54.820 like that and think that that would hold them at bay. But like, you know what I mean? 44:54.820 --> 44:59.240 Like you can imagine if it's a Hollywood movie, you know, A-10 Warthogs flying the 44:59.240 --> 45:06.340 flying the perimeter and keeping the teaming hordes back. But again, we're talking deep behind 45:06.340 --> 45:12.320 enemy lines here. And for how long is this mission supposed to be sustainable for weeks? 45:12.880 --> 45:17.920 So they find every last bit of partially enriched uranium or something sounds completely 45:17.920 --> 45:23.000 bananas. I mean, there's just no way. And especially when God dang it, we had the day 45:23.000 --> 45:28.160 before or a couple of days before the war started, the Iranians were offering to turn over 45:28.160 --> 45:32.900 their entire stockpile even to the United States, not just to the Russians to turn into fuel rods, 45:33.100 --> 45:38.200 but even give it to the US. And then we would only ship them back fuel rods at low levels of 45:38.200 --> 45:42.220 enrichment, diluted way down. That was the deal that they really stopped. They really 45:42.220 --> 45:48.100 started the war to stop that deal. I think they were worried that Steve Witkoff was bringing 45:48.100 --> 45:51.840 home an offer that was too good to refuse. So they went ahead and launched the war before 45:51.840 --> 45:58.800 we could accept it. Well, on that front, but at the same time, Scott, 45:59.580 --> 46:07.980 is there any indication from Israel at all that maybe even they are concerned that this 46:07.980 --> 46:12.160 thing is not going the way they want, that maybe their missile defense isn't exactly 46:12.160 --> 46:16.620 the way they want it, and maybe they do need an off ramp here? Is there any prospect of that? 46:16.680 --> 46:21.240 Yes. Yeah, I mean, I'm not hearing that from Netanyahu's people, but there have been 46:21.240 --> 46:24.800 people inside the government have been talking to the media like that. There have been massive, 46:24.900 --> 46:29.720 or I don't know how massive, but there have been significant anti-war protests in Tel Aviv, 46:30.300 --> 46:35.820 which are banned, and people are getting cracked over the skull for daring to protest 46:35.820 --> 46:41.900 against the war now. And I think, obviously, they were running low on missile defense 46:42.400 --> 46:48.340 systems stuff last June. And I guess it was kind of weird. I wasn't quite sure what to 46:48.340 --> 46:53.080 make of this, but there were at least some stories that said that Netanyahu actually urged Trump to 46:53.080 --> 46:57.560 wait when he wanted to start the war a little bit earlier in February, maybe even January, 46:57.660 --> 47:01.240 because they wanted to get their defensive systems together a little bit better first, 47:02.740 --> 47:08.700 which is kind of funny because the rumor is, of course, that Netanyahu essentially 47:09.640 --> 47:13.300 blackmailed Trump into doing this war. As Rubio tells it, they were going to start 47:13.300 --> 47:17.580 the war anyway and drag us in. I actually don't believe that. I still blame Israel 47:17.580 --> 47:22.180 just the same, because I think that it was Netanyahu and his people that convinced Trump to do it, 47:22.400 --> 47:25.740 but I don't think that they forced him to do it. I think they convinced him to do it, 47:26.860 --> 47:30.880 and he bought their line of crap as close as you can get on that one. 47:31.480 --> 47:41.060 But yeah, I think, by the way, it's worth pointing out that the chairman of the Joint 47:41.060 --> 47:44.600 Chiefs of Staff put a story in the Wall Street Journal two days before the war 47:44.600 --> 47:48.640 saying, we're going to run out of interceptors here, and we got to be really cautious if we're 47:48.640 --> 47:51.500 going to do this, and maybe we shouldn't. And then they went ahead and did it anyway, 47:52.140 --> 47:56.800 and I think, by the way, according to The Washington Post anyway, the National Intelligence 47:56.800 --> 48:01.700 Council put out a national intelligence estimate saying that this will not work to collapse the 48:01.700 --> 48:06.780 regime. And Trump evidently went ahead based on the word of Benjamin Netanyahu, 48:07.060 --> 48:10.520 that don't listen to them, trust me, we hit them good and hard once and they'll fall. 48:11.360 --> 48:15.940 And so I may have said this on your show after the Venezuela thing, that this was the real danger 48:15.940 --> 48:20.760 of Venezuela was that it was so easy to kidnap the president and his wife, that they'll think 48:20.760 --> 48:24.060 they can do it again in Iran, not that they'll try to kidnap them, but they'll think that they 48:24.060 --> 48:27.580 can just drop a bomb on his head. If you put eyes on the eye, it's whole or you could drop a bomb 48:27.580 --> 48:33.260 on. So, and then, but the narrative would be that see how easy this is, you just got to get 48:33.260 --> 48:37.360 the top guy and then you can get what you want. And that unfortunately Donald Trump, 48:37.360 --> 48:42.920 I think, was really reinforced in that point of view by the ease of the Venezuelan operation. 48:43.600 --> 48:47.380 Well, I had exactly the same concern. Well, we're going to let Scott go because he's in the middle 48:47.380 --> 48:53.540 of moving, which is a fate we would not wish on our worst enemy. It is awful, as you all know, 48:53.680 --> 48:59.580 it's terrible moving. But he was a great sport to come on here all the same with a makeshift 48:59.580 --> 49:05.720 setup in order to keep us informed. So also, of course, everybody, if you're finding 49:06.280 --> 49:12.260 that, you know, it is sometimes hard on your feet to deal with with the boomer cons because 49:12.260 --> 49:17.920 they've got like bumper sticker slogans in on their side. And you feel like, well, my side 49:17.920 --> 49:22.740 requires like 10 paragraphs. So how do I compete with these people? Scott Horton Academy will 49:22.740 --> 49:28.000 fix you up real good. So that's Scott's new venture that I hope you guys will go support 49:28.000 --> 49:32.280 and get a lot out of Scott Horton Academy.com is the website. Scott, thanks again. 49:32.280 --> 49:36.960 In fact, Tom, they can get a taste of that at the facts about Iran.com. 49:37.440 --> 49:41.300 That's a good thing to be a taste of it. Yeah, I beg your pardon, Scott. I forgot to mention that 49:41.300 --> 49:46.660 the facts about Iran.com. Check that out. I'll have everything linked to Tom Woods.com 49:46.660 --> 49:51.500 slash 2749. 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