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I'm excited and grateful to have the great Dave Benner once again joining us today.
Dave was actually kind enough to have me on his show last night,
and we dived into all kinds of topics, and some will probably be discussing today.
Now Dave actually joined us back in January of last year where we discussed the new era of Trump
and the start of his new administration,
much of which I think has already turned out to be accurate,
and I'm sure we'll talk about a little bit about that today as well.
So if you do enjoy this episode, definitely listen to that one as well.
But Dave is a historian, he's an author,
and he is the host of his YouTube channel Liberty Vault,
which has an impressive 372,000 subscribers,
which we were just talking about off air,
is no easy feat to really accomplish these days with the bands and the throttling.
But Dave, thank you so much for joining us today.
Good to see you again, brother, and welcome back to the Freethought Project podcast.
Yeah, Jason, thanks for having me, man.
I especially appreciate you preceding my name with the great.
So my check you paid off.
And yeah, thanks for having me, man.
Thanks, Matt.
Thanks, Don.
It's a pleasure to talk to you guys.
I love your organization, and you guys have a lot of overlap in things that interest me.
So I think we can have a great conversation here.
I think so too, man.
And you're doing great things, so we give respect where it's due.
And I did think that maybe we could start off with a topic that we didn't touch on your show last night,
and partially because I'm personally interested in hearing your take about it.
I've been a little bit behind the eight ball when it comes to the geopolitics stuff.
As we were talking about, there's just so much to follow and keep track of.
And I think I've been a little bit more focused on domestic stuff,
but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the recent escalation with not only Trump threatening Iran,
but also declaring a national emergency over Cuba,
and framing the Cuban government as this quote unusual and extraordinary threat.
And we saw that basically kind of same playbook happen with Venezuela when the U.S. seized,
AKA kidnapped Maduro.
And it appears that Trump is kind of widening that net.
And on top of that, Trump just signed an executive order threatening tariffs of up to 25%
on any country that continues doing business with Iran.
So the military posturing is increasing.
There's a U.S. aircraft carrier has begun kind of inching closer to Iran.
And we saw that same kind of military buildup with Venezuela.
So it seems like the continuity is clear here.
Trump's threats globally have become more explicit.
The tensions diplomatically are increasing.
And it does kind of feel like the mask is off now when it comes to the U.S. empire building.
So what do you think our listeners should understand about this kind of like multi-front escalation
and where it's all headed?
And what element isn't really being talked about enough?
Yeah, I think it's the propaganda element, Jason.
I think you gave a good overview there, breaking it down.
But this is really the product of a neocon Marco Rubio Miriam Adelson foreign policy
just manifesting in virtually every region around the world.
Like if you would have talked to a lot of Trump supporters,
like literally none of them voted for him because we are going to get into another Israel First War
or a neocon anti-comi war versus Cuba or Venezuela, regime change operation
that Trump skewered in his campaign.
But what happens with the uniparty and the state, which it thrives off theatrics
and optics to try to make you believe that it's this mass clash of ideologies
between Harris and Trump.
It really is run by the same people, the same lobbies, the same corporate interests
among them is APEC in the Israel lobby.
And the Iran thing is most frustrating to me because the president just gives away the game
when he shifts the propaganda where back in the summer,
after the United States joined with Israel to bomb Iran,
tanking their own negotiations to do so,
the big line about why we had to do that is we have to subdue the nuclear weapons threat
which even Tulsi Gabbard admitted did not exist.
There was no evidence they had even restarted their nuclear weapons program
back in her annual threat summary.
Well, they took out three facilities including at Fordo with bunker busters
and then Trump came out of this saying, hey, we set them back decades.
We set this program back decades.
But here we are again and why it's that Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israel lobby
has convinced him to just favor Israel above the United States,
above our own communities when Americans are sick and tired of it.
Actually, in an unprecedented way, younger people are peeling away
from the mentality of wanting to support this nonsense again.
And like I said with the propaganda, they shifted it to,
well, if Iran rebuilds their ballistic missiles,
the only deterrent that they have against Israel will go to war.
If they kill protesters, we'll go to war.
It's getting to the point where it's like if the Iranian officials eat lunch,
we'll go to war.
I mean, there are negotiations right now and I have to maintain some sliver of hope
because the Turks and the Saudis and the Qataris and some others are involved
in these negotiations that they don't want to war in the region.
But I don't know if it's enough to overcome the Israel lobby
to take out the Iranian regime, the consummation of the clean break strategy,
the only of seven countries that hasn't been regime changed yet.
So sorry for going up, but that's kind of what I think.
That was perfect. A great summarization.
It kind of gives me some food for thawed and yeah, it does really feel like
just more gaslighting of the American public, right?
I mean, they're able to really spin any type of reason with a straight face, right?
I mean, the Trump administration seems like it's game on with this Iran debacle
and it feels like a lot of this is just Trump's own approach to the art of the deal
but on like an international scale, right?
It doesn't really matter what type of diplomacy we had with these countries in the past.
It doesn't matter if they're allies or they're not.
It seems like it's just hardball and that's the only card that Trump really has in his deck, you know?
And I just could only imagine even if this doesn't lead to some type of war, proxy war,
another precision strike or something similar to that,
what kind of damage is going to do internationally?
I mean, we're already seeing a lot of pushback through hegemony
that the American government has kind of had over the economic system globally
and pushback against the U.S. dollar and the Petro dollar and with bricks and stuff like that.
But I mean, I feel like we're just continuing to dig our own grave here.
And yes, obviously the U.S. has the military might.
I'm not necessarily worried about that, but we need partners internationally.
We do need trade.
We need other countries to coexist with us in a way that seems reasonable and peaceful.
And it feels like Trump is just pissing on all that.
And so it does feel worrisome to me.
And this is after what, you know, 20 years of just living through the war on terror.
So it's not like this is something new for the American people,
but the amount of escalation that seems to be increasing in such a short period of time
should be a red flag for anybody who's really paying attention.
Yeah, man.
I think like the unipolar moment was totally squandered,
that being the moment right after the fall of the Soviet Union
where the United States and the neocons said,
hey, we need to take advantage of this by spreading democracy overseas
and getting into all these regime change operations.
And that didn't benefit us in any way.
In fact, it set us back in terms of debt like $12 trillion just for the war on terror.
You have 20 year occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan,
the latter of which replaced the Taliban with the Taliban
over 20 years and thousands of human lives from the United States,
half a million Afghanis, one million in Iraq,
like five million total in the war on terror.
And now you have this moment where it's not the unipolar age anymore
and you have Trump doing things like a sanctions regime
and secondary tariffs against India
that's driving India into the arms of China and Russia,
the one thing that would embolden BRICS
and possibly encourage it to become a military alliance
or as you kind of alluded to,
maybe creating a new currency that could displace the U.S. dollar
as the reserve currency of the world.
So I think it's all disastrous.
It's all based on proxy wars and scyops
to convince Americans to support this nonsense.
And it doesn't pay off for Americans whatsoever.
So yeah.
Agreed.
Well said.
And those trillions, well, that's just part of the national debt, Dave.
Who cares about that?
As long as Halliburton got its billions
and Palantir obviously is next to mine here.
So I mean, I guess that seems to be the bottom line.
Unfortunately, the debt, the destruction, the debt,
none of that stuff seems to really matter
when it comes to the empire building.
But I did want to shift here slightly
because on a related note, I'm curious to hear your thoughts
regarding the situation with Israel right now,
especially with the information that's been surfacing.
Now, I think the media is kind of working overtime
because we're watching parts of the media
trying to reframe the Epstein network
as somehow tied to Russian influence
rather than acknowledging the long-documented connections
with Israel.
And obviously, many people feel like
this is an intentional, coordinated cover-up for Israel
by the Israel Influence Network that exists in the US.
So how do you make sense of that shift and narrative
and what does it suggest about the way
that foreign influence stories are presented
to the American public?
Well, it's definitely subterfuge
and I think this is extremely reminiscent of Russia Gate
trying to frame Trump for all of his shortcomings
and all of his wrongdoings as some kind of Russian agent
that was colluding with Putin to win the election.
They're just repeating this again but attaching it
to the most universally viewed as vile and Epstein
and there's just no corroboration for it.
It actually is projection to the biggest degree imaginable
because there are many documented cases
of him working directly on behalf of the Israeli government
that he was tied in deeply
to especially the Israeli left under Ehud Barak
and Ehud Olmerit, the former of which stated his house
for prolonged periods of time,
over 30 times in his Manhattan residence
given to him by Les Wexner.
We have from leaks showing that he wire transferred
known spies within Israel including a guy named Yoni Koran.
These wire transfer records are part of the email leaks.
There's documented evidence that he brokered
security agreements between the governments of Israel
and Mongolia and the governments of Israel
and the Ivory Coast.
He was involved in introducing Benjamin Netanyahu
to JP Morgan executives.
He was in charge of a recruiting effort
for marketing the Leviathan field.
It's an energy project in Israel
that Netanyahu actually just unveiled
the commemoration of it back in December
just two months ago.
He was so intricately connected to these Israeli schemes
and likely played a role in Iran contra
under the money laundering side of that.
And yet they're going with,
well, he was a clear Russian agent.
And the only evidence that they point to
that suggests this is that Ehud Barak,
Ehud Barak, the former prime minister,
the former head of IDF intelligence
wanted him to set up a meeting with Putin
to try to benefit from the Syrian Civil War.
So at the behest of Ehud Barak,
he tried to get a meeting with Putin
that was denied.
The records show that.
So there's not even evidence that he could even
get a meeting with Putin.
But this is still what the neocons and Zionists
are riding with as projection to detract
from all the evidence that points to him
being some kind of Israeli asset.
So that's what I think.
Yeah, man.
It's absolutely wild.
Like for in 2008, you know,
we heard that he's like a lone wolf.
And then I guess Alex Acosta,
he kind of slipped up and admitted
that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset.
You know, this was all documented.
And to go to Russia is just,
it's absolutely hilarious to me.
It's like,
is Hillary Clinton advising Netanyahu now?
Like that's what this seems like.
Just see Russia.
They're going to buy it.
And I mean, unfortunately, I think they are, you know.
And like you said,
I think they're digging up some like old FBI firms
where Putin talked to or like reached out
to try to get Epstein to do something
with finances or something, whatever,
what you just explained basically.
But it's, I mean, it's overwhelming evidence, you know,
that he's got ties to Mossad and Wexner
in the US intelligence community.
And you have to be pretty damn stupid to believe otherwise,
which is like,
I guess that's what brings me to my question is,
like why on earth would they have chosen Russia?
Do you think that they think that people are this dumb
and won't catch that?
Like this is the same thing they used against Trump,
you know, claiming that he was a Russian asset.
And now they're using it on Epstein to like,
to try to deflect.
I just don't understand why they chose that.
Do you think that these people are that dumb
or do you think that there's some underlying
maybe scheme or something that they have planned
that might actually work for them?
Yeah, I think they're banking on just the lack of knowledge
of the layman on this case that haven't been given the facts
and been privy to it, dealt deep into it,
like guys like us where we follow this stuff,
we see what the independent media says about it,
maybe the drop site series on Epstein
and kind of his criminal and intelligence background.
But it's also because they fear that, you know,
this war, this proxy war that the U.S.
has funded against Russia really since 2014,
not just since Putin's invasion of Ukraine,
but since the Yanukovych government was overthrown
by the United States and the State Department
with leaked calls between Victoria Nuland and Jeffrey Payett,
the ambassador kind of showing that.
And one thing that the regime got out of Russiagate,
it wasn't just taking out Trump,
which they were relatively successful
in his first term of taking it out,
but the other purpose behind Russiagate
was to exacerbate tensions with Russia.
And they got that part of it out of that.
And this is like, I think, a gambit they're trying to use
to renew calls for increased support for Ukraine
that might manifest if a Democratic governor comes to power
or if Trump is somehow convinced to give Ukraine
a security agreement, an Article 5-like security agreement
from the United States in exchange for, say, Greenland.
I don't think we've heard the end of this war.
There's no signs it's coming to a close.
All the globalists want it to continue,
the Keir Starmers, mares of the world.
And I think they've chosen Russia specifically
for that purpose to try to keep this going.
It's a lucrative venture for the military industrial complex
and the bankers.
And that's why I asked you that question.
Thank you. That was a great response.
Yeah. And, you know, it's really interesting
when we look at the whole nuances of particularly
the Epstein thing as it relates to, you know,
the sort of geopolitics because, you know, on the one hand,
you know, as you mentioned, you know,
it's incredibly lucrative to keep this proxy war going.
And, you know, we know that they have wanted they
being the powers that should not be
the globalist, new world order, you know,
however people want to characterize it,
have wanted this conflict with Russia
essentially since the fall of the Soviet Union.
And we know this because there are declassified
cables and documents that show them blatantly saying
if we continue this process of antagonization,
it's going to result in some sort of conflict,
either direct hot war with Russia
or a proxy conflict as we see now.
And on the side of like them attempting to paint
Epstein as a Russian asset, you know,
as you guys said, that's an absolute,
absolutely laughable, you know,
looking at his connections with the mega group.
And of course, as you mentioned to Hugh Barak
and everybody else, I mean, he's very clearly
controlled by Israel.
What I do find interesting, however,
whilst I do see some individuals on the left
still placating that it'll trump as a Russian asset
and, you know, his relationship with Epstein
and Epstein's a Russian asset,
like parroting that nonsense.
However, there are also the interesting little facets
of the fact that we also can't forget the fact
that one Putin himself is a globalist oligarch
and the former KGB and the FSB, you know,
very well known to be involved
in sort of sex trafficking blackmail things of that nature.
And I don't know if you guys have been listening
to some of the tapes released from the interview
of Sasha Riley, who's allegedly one of the victims
of Epstein and Trump specifically.
But he had mentioned when he was at one of those
disgusting parties when he was a child
that he had heard Putin's named name
mentioned among some of those individuals.
He didn't say he was there,
but that he was being discussed and whatnot.
And so I am curious as to whether or not
there is any kind of connection with it,
albeit obviously mild compared to Israel,
Israel being, you know, Epstein's handler,
but I would kind of like to get your thoughts on that day
because like a lot of people would sort of say,
oh, you guys just, you know, you kiss Russia's ass
and, you know, you don't call out any of their issues.
And it's like, no, like people have to understand
we're very much against them as well.
You know, Putin is a fucking KGB thug
who has had to strangle hold on the Russian government
for like, what, 30 years now.
And so I certainly wouldn't be surprised
if he was in some capacity involved in this as well,
juxtaposed to the fact that the Western Empire
very much has it out for like wanting to topple Russia
to continue their, you know, polar hegemony.
So it's a very sort of nuanced sort of thing.
But I'd definitely like to get your thoughts on that.
Yeah, well said, Don.
So, you know, my aversion to inflaming,
you know, vitriol against other countries
is not for love of those other countries' governments.
That's for sure.
I'm a non-interventionist.
I'm an anarcho-capitalist.
I don't even like my own government,
let alone all other autocratic governments in the world.
But I haven't dove so deep into like the Russian situation
and the Russian connections outside of what I've heard
literally like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin talk about
and Laura Loomer when raising these absurdities, right?
And just being able to debunk those off surface level
takes enough.
There is other stuff.
I'd be open to that, but I also want to say,
like I refuse to do the CIA's dirty work
and just starting to condemn Russia in particular
or Iran like the two, you know,
CIA deep state boogeyman just because I think
that does half of their job for them
where they can point and say, hey, look,
even the dissidents think that Putin
and the Ayatollah are vile criminals
and they may well be, but that's the kind of propaganda
that they need to convince Americans
to support these military operations.
This is a kind of mindset that I've adopted
and been convinced to adopt by Daniel McAdams.
He runs the Ron Paul Institute.
And I side with him on that.
I hope that this answer makes sense.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, I absolutely agree.
I just wanted to,
because we'll always get those dickheads in the comments
that are like, oh, you guys are shilling for X, Y, and Z.
And so that was more so just to like
throw that little nugget out there like, hey,
we are looking at all angles, guys.
Yeah.
I appreciate you doing that, Don.
And it is important to cover all of our basis,
just so we're not ripe for critique.
And there is plenty of people
who will obfuscate the conversation
just to throw in their what about-isms.
And that's not what we're trying to accomplish here.
With that said,
I again wanted to maybe sidestep gently over here
because while it's still in kind of the same realm
of what we were just discussing,
the Pam Bondi debacle has really been kind of all the rage
within the last, well, not even 24 hours yet, right?
I mean, she's become the butt of almost all the jokes
and posts and tweets online and on social media,
and rightfully so.
And I think a lot of that was the absurdity
just coming out of her mouth while she was testifying,
you know what I mean?
We talked about this last night of your show,
but she was talking about how well the stock market
was doing and like the dangers of Chinese vape products
and just like it almost felt like a parody, right?
Like it felt satirical.
Like this had to be some type of AI video.
It reminded me of Saturday Night Live to be honest.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
But you know, it all seemed to be inadvertently saying
the quiet part out loud, right?
Which is, you know,
it's kind of revealing the depths of lunacy
that she'll succumb to
to not be accountable for her lack of action
and to the American people
and especially the part where, you know,
we've already mentioned his name several times on here,
but Lex Wexner's name went from redacted to unredacted
in under an hour when she was challenged by Massey.
So it does feel like the crack
and the, you know, what decades-long wall
of institutional protection
is starting to become more apparent.
So like what do you think about moments like this?
Like how does this expose how power operates
in the shadows trying to contain a scandal of this size?
And like, what do you suspect this was all about?
Was this kind of like testing the waters
to see if anybody would notice or push back?
I mean, you know, obviously Massey did,
but like, yeah, what are your thoughts on this?
Yeah, I honestly think that she had a conversation with Trump
about how to deal with this
because a lot of her responses were like
classic Trumpianism, like diversions to other things
that, you know, he thinks are victories for him
when it wasn't.
I mean, you look at Thomas Massey,
his case against Bondi in those hearings was pretty clear.
He said, number one, you're unredacting victims' names.
Our law doesn't allow you to do that.
She had no excuse for that.
Number two, he said, hey, you're redacting a name
that you didn't redact in other documents,
but you did redact it in this document
that I don't know seems a significant variable here,
says co-conspirators of Jeffrey Epstein on that.
And you want us to think that's a coincidence?
And she had no response to that.
Andy's saying, hey, Cash Patel's on record saying,
we don't have any evidence he sex trafficked to anyone,
even though, hey, now we have these documents
that you unredacted Les Wexner's name in
and you never interviewed him whatsoever.
The investigation died.
And like you said, Jason,
like she just has nothing but to say
you're suffering from TDS,
you're a failed politician, it's totally Trumpian.
And then, hey, did you guys hear the Dow?
The Dow was to 50,000?
It's absurd.
And I can't think that, you know,
a layman that isn't even on one of two sides here,
has a tribal identity,
doesn't take a look at that
and just see this for the pathetic display that it is.
I just told more Americans see that footage in particular.
Just that nasty five minutes was incredible.
He rarely gets fired up like I saw him in that questioning
and I'm here for it, man, I loved it.
Yeah, dude, it was great.
And like Jason said, it was a bit of a clown show.
Like just hearing her deflecting
and then talking about the Dow and all this.
It was like a Saturday Live skit, man.
It was fucking crazy.
It was a masterclass in Trumpism deflection, you know?
Yeah.
You got Massey in there
who like co-authored the law to get these files released
and he's calling her out for like
what could only be described as a deliberate cover-up.
I mean, these people's names were deliberately redacted
in these bills, you know?
And he and Ro Khanna, you know, they found all this
and like Wexner,
I don't know if we mentioned that like in particular,
but he was explicitly labeled as a co-conspirator.
And as you said, Cash Patel, like they said,
no, we don't have any evidence of this.
This makes, this implicates all of them
and like they're all basically
at the very least committing perjury, right?
Like they're not being transparent.
They're hiding things deliberately from the public
and then they're deflecting like what Bondi did
by claiming that Massey had Trump derangement syndrome.
Like, I mean, it's funny how these people throw
around TDS everywhere, you know?
But I think like it's fucking surreal, actually.
And I think it's deranged to demand that the DOJ
like cover up child predators, you know,
help cover for child.
I think that's the opposite.
Like Massey doesn't have TDS.
Fucking Bondi Patel,
the entire Justice Department has TDS
for like listening to Trump
on how to follow through with releasing these documents.
It absolutely is a clown show.
So like when you see like a chief law enforcement officer
like, you know, like Pam Bondi,
use these slogans like TDS and all that
to deflect from this
insanely botched pedophilia investigation.
Are we like, are we looking at a system
that has like completely abandoned
even maybe the pretense for accountability?
Yeah, I really do think it is, man.
Like this scheme worked for Trump
when he would mispronounce like Ron DeSantis.
His name, he would say like Ron DeSanctimonius.
And when he mispronounced Pete Buddha judge's name
or smeared Elizabeth Warren for revealing
that she was 1 1,024th of a Native American.
We all laughed at that.
It was funny, right?
It kind of worked in the time.
But then you're trying to use those same tactics
and like same absurdities to divert
from a child sex trafficking operation.
It doesn't really seem to have the same effect,
especially when Trump has lost so much support
from his own base over this issue in particular.
It's not only this.
It's like, you know, Doge was a facade.
If you ever thought that that was there
for real savings, you know, he's continued the wars,
continued the bombing.
But like you said, man, like she had no answer
for like Massey's question at what point
did Les Wexner stop being considered a co-conspirator.
So it enters into perjury territory when they lie,
especially Cache Patel.
But I think this is going to end up like James Clapper.
These people operate above the law.
He, you know, gave falsifiable testimony,
completely absurd lies about that.
Hey, the NSA isn't bulked data collecting
in the NSA prism program.
On the stand, one question by Ron Wyden.
Did they punish him?
Did they, you know, impeach him?
No, he was hired as a CNN analyst.
That's what happens to these people.
I don't think heads are going to roll,
but I think you're right, Matt, that they've dropped
any pretense that they're actually operating
within the scope of what the American people expect.
Yeah, it's like, hey, I have these bios
and these videos of you actually abusing children.
We were retarded.
Just like that.
Clear TDS.
Where were you when Merritt Garland was here?
And that's what I love Massie's moment where he said,
this goes back for administrations, this cover-up,
and you're responsible for this part of it.
I think that was the perfect answer.
Most definitely.
And, you know, it's also one of those things where it's like,
it's the deception of the way that they're doing this is so...
I don't even want to say blatantly orwellian,
because I think as concerning as it is to say,
I think we've gone beyond orwell at this point in time, you know?
And it's, like you guys were saying earlier,
they're essentially just relying on assuming
that the American people are completely stupid.
And, you know, most people, even a lot of Trump's base
are seeing right through it.
And yet, at the same time, I saw somebody mention this.
I think I was just like scrolling through TikTok last night
and every once in a while you get a, you know,
a decent video where someone makes some sense
out of all the, you know, brain rot that's all in there.
And I saw a dude mention the ways in which
this media circus is being used to distract from the fact
that they haven't even released all of the documents,
even out of, you know, just what's been, you know,
put out so far and heavily redacted
in sort of like the mainstream media circus.
And it got me thinking about guys that, like,
are completely no longer mentioned that were so crucial
to this whole Epstein network.
Guys like Jean-Luc Brunel, who was involved,
particularly in France, you know,
he was very much like a Leslie Wexner kind of figure.
And, you know, when Brunel got pinched,
I think it was like what, two or three years ago now,
he was another one of those didn't kill himself sort of things,
you know, like he was mysteriously found dead hanging in his cell
and I believe he was arrested in France.
And, you know, it sort of brings up that whole,
the way that they're using it to distract from the
overarching fact of the matter,
sort of like we were talking about earlier,
that this entire network and all these people involved
with it, Trump, Clinton, so on and so forth,
this is an international sex trafficking abuse
and not to mention some of the stuff
that's come out in the files recently.
I mean, you know, torture, weird occult rituals,
cannibalism that connects CIA, Mossad,
you know, banking elite, royal family,
like world powers the world over.
And it seems as though the sort of media circus
that they're creating just about the,
you know, oh, you've got TDS and blah, blah, blah,
is being used to sort of deflect people's attention
away from the fact that that is the case.
We are dealing with a international child,
rape, cannibal, torture, fucking psychopath cabal.
And, you know, obviously, you know,
would like to get your take on that, Dave,
because like that seems like the bigger picture
that they're purposefully obfuscating from.
Totally, man, in fact, in most conversations about Epstein,
very few people like talk about his background
in money laundering and his connections
to arms traffickers like Douglas Lee,
Sanadnon Khashoggi, and Stanley Pottinger,
something that a lot of Epstein researchers
have taken note of, especially people like,
you know, Whitney Webb and others
that have looked at that side of Epstein,
but a lot of it gets clouded out
by, you know, the more salacious sexual stuff.
And fair enough, that's a really important angle here.
This was likely a blackmail operation
on the part of Israeli intelligence
to use leverage against U.S. prominent figures,
you know, to gain information.
And that's the perfect thing in many ways
for what an intelligence agency would seek to do.
But you're right, Don, there's two million documents
that haven't been unclassified.
Even the DOJs admitted that in one report,
and the Washington Post has, you know,
reported on that, that we haven't even seen.
So, you know, despite all the stuff
the conversations with Bannon, the Bill Gates STD thing,
the DOJ stamped the document
that said that Epstein died on August 9th.
You had him ordering over 300 gallons of sulfuric acid
the day the DOJ opened up a new investigation into him.
All these things, all these things we think are interesting,
just imagine what they're sitting on
and what we don't have.
And you're right to talk about Jean-Luc Brunel.
He was also named in one of the FBI documents
as a co-conspirator.
He mysteriously died in France
after the French authorities caught up to him.
And still they said no co-collaborators,
no co-conspirators in their original memo back in the summer.
So, there's so many angles to this
and how kind of the elites operate beyond, you know,
what a regular person would think
that I think is another revelation to come out of these things.
When I was covering, because listeners might not know,
I used to co-host for a show called The Rundown Live.
And the founder of The Rundown Live, Christon T. Harris,
was at the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell in New York
and then I was helping cover it here from my home remotely.
And our publication was pretty much the only one
that was consistently covering that trial from start to finish.
What we learned was that when the FBI raided
Epstein's Manhattan townhouse,
they seized some, I think,
what, 20 terabytes, I believe?
It was an ungodly amount of disk drives
and CD-ROMs and all this sort of stuff
that the FBI has essentially mentioned nothing about
since then. Nothing.
Yeah, and of course these are just what they want us to see
and what they want us to know about, right?
I mean, they wouldn't be presenting them
and providing them to the public without that
and of course the archive and, I mean, all this.
This is the bigger picture thinking
that we kind of have to be asking ourselves,
you know, what these questions,
kind of going back to the Bondi stuff
to still feel like the American public
are desperate just to grab Bondi by her big fat head
and smack her across the face and be like,
just take this seriously, please, like we need answers,
you know, and it doesn't feel like
no matter what we do or what we say
that we're actually going to get those, unfortunately.
And inside note, you know, when she called Massey
a failed politician, I think our audience
might be surprised to hear me say
that I actually agree with her.
I mean, according to, you know, the litmus
that is the Trump administration,
I mean, yeah, Massey's actually honest.
Like, he's actually America first.
He actually, you know, has the best interest
of the American public in mind.
So, yeah, he is a failed politician
considering, you know, the other people
that he surrounds himself with, unfortunately,
in the swamps of D.C.
So, you know, I think that should be stated
and I know we kind of got into a little bit of, you know,
that on your show and I feel like he's a hero.
I feel like it's plain as day at this point
that the fact that he is going to bat
to try to get some transparency
and accountability here, he is a hero.
But what we talked about last night on your show
was the two things that popped into my mind
after the latest revelations and these emails.
And that was, you know, why now?
Why are they now being released?
And then the what now?
Like, what the hell do we do now?
And I know you just a few minutes back
when you were responding to Matt's question, Dave,
you said, you know, I don't think the heads are going to roll.
But I wanted to hear your thoughts
because I think a lot of people are asking this question.
Like, well, what do we do now?
You know, we've seen enough in these documents
to know that there were layers of protection,
institutional failures.
So, like the real question, you know, becomes, you know,
like, does this meet the threshold
of a national crisis of accountability?
So, yeah, like where, what do you think,
where do we go from here?
Like, as a country, do we get any real accountability?
Like, how do we even begin to apply pressure
in a system that doesn't seem like it wants to change?
Yeah, I just think the best thing that could come from this
is disenchantment among people that still think
like the federal government is reputable from the inside.
Like, you can get your choice tribe to take power,
to take the reins of power from within the state
in the federal level
and seek to turn it in a better direction.
Like, you can't reform the FBI or the CIA.
You can't steer the FBI or the CIA in a better direction.
Even if you appoint a guy like Cash Patel
who said, hey, I'm going to shut down the Hoover Building
and build it into a museum to the deep state.
It's just, you're not going to get that without, you know,
literally abolishing these criminal institutions
and shutting it down.
But like you said, where do people go?
Well, I think it's education campaigns
has to precipitate any, like, movement away
from this allure to federal politics
and federal politicians, federal tribes
that so many people have.
But it's also, you know, nullification
to use local level political power,
if that's your sort of thing.
It might not be for some aggress
to do things like jury nullification
and use state level legislation
to push back against the imposition of power
by the federal government.
You can even have things like the 10th Amendment Center
had years ago where you literally
had state legislation on the floor
in places like Maryland and Utah
to cut off the water and electricity
to say NSA facilities
within those states.
Like it's going to take massive
Cajones that we haven't
seen the likes of since maybe
the Revolutionary War to do some of this stuff.
But I think it all does start
with education. It starts with organizations
like yours to, you know,
just show people the truth
about how these people are not on your side.
No matter what they say
on the election cycle.
And it has to be our volition
that will drive us toward more liberty.
It's not going to be, you know, changing
Washington from the inside. That's for sure.
Yeah.
Oh, for sure, man. And we definitely have our work cut out
for us, right? It's not...
It can be a somewhat daunting task
to try to show people the truth
when they're so distracted by all the bullshit
they see in the media every day.
You know, like yesterday, for instance,
I wrote a story about Nancy Guthrie
which is a sad case. This is a
84-year-old woman. It looks like she might have been kidnapped
and taken hostage for a ransom or whatever.
You know, but I mean,
yes, that's a tragic case.
Does it deserve the constant 24-hour
news coverage that has been getting like on
every single channel, FoxS, NBCNN,
like everywhere? The top.
I mean, it's everywhere. You can't turn
on a TV without seeing it.
And the point of my story yesterday was that
why everybody's hyper-fixated on this, you know?
There's roughly...
Well, I know from the story that I looked up
the statistics, roughly
400 to 800,000 kids go missing
in this country every year.
It's about a kid every 48 seconds.
And most of those are found
pretty quickly, but there's still 90-something
1,000 kids currently missing.
And they get zero airtime, right?
I mean, if the Epstein
files have shown us anything,
it's the state gives zero fucks
about children. And so much so
that they're willing to look the other way
or actually run cover-ups for those
the people that commit the crimes
against them, you know? But that wasn't
like the most chilling part about
this distraction that they're pushing this Nancy Guthrie
stuff. And when I was doing
some reading, you know, the chilling
part of this case was like the surveillance
part. Like the, you know,
for days as the investigation began,
like the Pima County Sheriff's Department
said that there was
there was no video evidence
because Guthrie's nest camera had
been disconnected and she didn't have a subscription.
Right? So this is just a passive
camera plugged in. She doesn't have access
to videos because that's what happens with these cameras
if you don't pay for the subscription. They don't
they allegedly don't record
anything. But then suddenly
Cash Patel, the little magic
man, comes out and announces
that there's footage that they
somehow were able to get.
It was called, they referred to it as
back-end residual data.
They meaning that these
passive ring cameras that you're not even
subscribing to or paying for
are constantly recording and
uploading to some
database somewhere despite
your privacy settings or anything
like that. This is, it's a crazy
admission. And
what's crazy here is that
this is building up surveillance
state, you know, like they had like a 30-second Super Bowl
ad that I saw
during the Super Bowl. Not during the Super Bowl.
But it was basically like an admission
by Amazon that
they're spying on you and
it's to find lost puppies, you know.
But it's crazy
we're building this active surveillance state
putting tens of millions of cameras everywhere
for these people and now Amazon and Ring
integrate with Flock.
And all this data, if you don't opt
out, goes directly with Flock
and law enforcement and they have 100%
access to it. And you're
opted in by default. And they said
like I read somewhere that the
average opt out of this is about 5%.
So there's roughly 10 million people
with Ring cameras on
their houses. So 5% of that mostly.
So there's 90 million or 9
9 million people with Ring cameras,
you know, all over their houses, all spying
on them, all being financed
by them, paying a
monthly subscription, you
know, by them to build this police
surveillance state. I think it's
fucking crazy. And that's what I got out of
Nancy Guthrie story.
But man, so how do we even begin to
talk about like sovereignty or the Fourth Amendment
when like the population
is voluntarily financing
and installing the very
tools that the FBI is now proving
that privacy is a total myth with
you know, does the state even need to pass
new surveillance laws when like we're
building the prison for them?
Yeah. Oh yeah, man, it's
horrifying. We me and Jason talked
about this too. It's the collation
of all the data and using
AI to sort through it like Palantir
does with the help of the CIA
to create insights and
unveil these insane like you cannot
believe dystopian schemes
like I think what's the hardest
thing is that the propaganda has worked
on a lot of people to say like,
Hey, this is a private company. I can
give my data to them. I'll feel safe
with it. But that's not really the story
at all. We know that this is deeply
entrenched in the deep state through
a collusion scheme between
these big firms and government in
which the government gives them subsidies
and stuff to encourage this kind of data
sharing. And it's just, you know, it's a
complete paper shredder to the Fourth
Amendment. People need to be made aware
of it. And I think again, education
is the first key. But you're right. So many
people are complicit of
building their own police state around
them. And I wish we got back to
you know, some of the best parts of
you know, James Otis and
Bosted in 1763 where
he said, you can't even have general
rits of assistance, meaning
that your thugs can't even come to our
properties with an unitomized
list of things that you want to search
and search them. That's, that's immoral.
That's egregious. That kick started
in some ways the American Revolution,
but we don't really have that fighting spirit
anymore. I'm not sure that I, I hold
the solution to that, that quandary.
Yeah, unfortunately, it's a difficult
one, man.
And what Matt was talking about was
the ring as new feature
called search party. Yeah.
Luckily, from
what I could see, there was a lot of pushback
both within the independent media
and on Twitter, social media platforms.
But I mean, yeah, this
absolutely what Matt was saying is
completely correct expands the neighborhood
surveillance. I mean, basically everybody's camera
just participates in this whole monitoring
grid. And of course, you know,
law enforcement can't actually request
and access that footage without any type of
oversight. And it's just
tracking your routine. It's cataloging
any friends or family that come over.
And this is after just
a couple months after ring actually announced
that they were going to start using facial
recognition as well.
So that, you know, post office,
the postman happens to have one of your packages.
They could just automatically
be let into your house so they could drop off
the package. I mean, of course, that's the convenience
narrative that they always try to
sell us. But I mean, this is all
stuff that as Matt was implying
this is data that could be sold
that shared and stored forever.
And, you know, it really
does create this kind of chilling effect
if people are going to feel like they're
constantly monitored. I mean, how is that
going to impact the freedom of movement? And it's
already bad enough that these flock cameras, there's
over 100,000 of them across the country,
you know, so yeah, it
this does all feel very dystopian
and, you know, you
we're talking about dystopian schemes there just
a second ago and I kind of wanted to touch
on the Peter Thiel
Epstein connection because we were just talking
about Palantir and this is all kind of goes hand in
hand. But, you know, harkening
back to the emails that were just released
when you look at the email
where Epstein tells Peter Thiel that
Brexit is just the beginning
and he makes this
suggestion about how there he wants
a return to tribalism
and new alliances
and he likes to spot things that are
on the verge of collapse. I mean
I tweeted about this but it does feel like kind of
a rare window into how
these, you know, so-called
elites think about social engineering
and, you know, these long-term
shifts. So
obviously this kind of is a win for
the conspiracy theorists who have been saying this all
along, you know, that like
these world events are orchestrated behind
the scenes where they can be anyway.
I don't want to be blinded too much by
our own bias here obviously
and reading too much into it but it does seem
pretty revealing, right? So
from the bigger picture perspective, like how
do we interpret
this type of dialogue between these two? Like
how does it really kind of share
how powerful actors are
anticipating and even shaping our world
and these, you know, major
social changes and world
events? Yeah, well
it shows that it's not based on like
market competition. That's for sure.
It's based on these collusion schemes
between big people in prominent
places in power. You had Epstein,
you know, giving you Houd Barak
investment advice. Say you should look
into Palantir and invested them
and with the Peter Teal connection
we have, you can see this on
jmail.world if your audience
isn't aware. That allows you to kind of
log in as if you were Jeffrey Epstein
into his Gmail account
and see all the emails. There were
299 emails between
Epstein and Teal
and Teal did not describe
his relationship in this way.
When he went on Joe Rogan he essentially
said, well, I did know him, but it
wasn't that close of an association
and you just see email after email
about when they were going to talk
and meet up. I haven't dove into
what you referenced regarding like the new order
of things, but this really does
show that there is a nexus point
in which big political maneuvers,
big business deals are orchestrated
above like market actors,
you and me going to the store
or above, you know, trade exchanges.
It's literally people that are
entrenched in power collaborating
with people that are entrenched in power
in the business world and them operating
much to our detriment in some
ways, especially in regard to,
you know, Palantir is the perfect example.
There's no organic market. Like,
yeah, I want a mass surveillance state
so that the government has everything
that I've ever said, everything that I've ever done.
So that's what we glean, not only
from the Peter Teal exchange, but also
exchanges with other people, you know,
David Rockefeller and Tom
Pritzker and, you know,
Deepak Chopra, all these
others of prominence that Epstein
corresponded with.
Well said, my friend. And yeah, you're right.
Before this latest drop, the, you know,
feel Epstein connection was murky at
best. I think there was like maybe
one or two pieces of evidence saying
that they got together for like a quick lunch
or something before this. But yeah, you're right.
I mean, this really kind of opens up a can
of worms. They were talking about
well, Epstein was trying
to introduce Teal to like banks with
billion dollar funding for his tech
ventures and projects. And they even
discussed Bitcoin at one point and what
it was, which I thought was kind of interesting
and yeah, it just shows that
Teal was actively kind of
cultivating Epstein as a business partner
so far from what he was explaining.
And as to what you were saying there
as far as just
one single entity
really controlling all this stuff.
I mean, I think I made a tweet about this, but yeah,
like the military intelligence
and national security systems,
criminal databases, I mean
ICE operational planning, VA records,
health data reports,
IRS probes. I mean, there's
so much that falls under the banner
of Palantir. And
if you take a step back and think about
okay, all this data is
owned by somebody, not only
owned, but controlled by somebody who is
Jeffrey Epstein's friend and business
partner. I mean, it kind of puts a different slant
on it. And it seems quite ominous
when you look at it from that perspective.
You know, so
I guess I have one last question before we get
to the white pill here and
it's something that we touched on
during your show as well. I know there's a lot
of overlap, but I did a lot of talking and
now it's your turn and I'm so glad to have you
on. But we touched on this briefly
about how, you know, these
conversations between like Epstein and
Thiel, it feels like a glimpse
into a larger power structure
and one that
is promoting technocratic systems
and social engineering and these long-term
shifts and how the U.S. government might
operate. And if
you consider how close Thiel is to Trump,
obviously, you know, it's not
hard to connect the dots and see
how, you know, we're watching this
transition from different elite
factions, which was kind of the older
regime, more of like the analog
power networks kind of giving way
now to a newer data-driven
surveillance-oriented
model. So
do you feel like there is some
type of controlled demolition of the old order
going on and like do we
see, are you seeing this as well, like a
handoff between competing power centers
and like this whole
new branch of technocrats?
I would, I don't know if
I've seen it as a handoff, but you're
right, like the technocrats are
front and center, like entrenched
near to the top of the power
structure, especially in regard to people
like Thiel, the PayPal mafia,
you have Lucky Palmer and all these
people, by the way, seem to be behind
a J.D. Vance presidency,
Elon Musk too, and Allison.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, you see
that Larry Ellison just buying out
TikTok and a lot of people made a big
stink about, you know, the
Ellisons buying, you know, Paramount and
CBS News, and that's tangible.
There's something to that, but buying off
TikTok, one of the biggest social media
platforms, and now, you know,
I know from a lot of my viewers,
people are getting banned for raising
marginal critiques of Israel
and displaying like Gaza footage, for instance
now, of course, like that's
significant, and you do seem
like a new order come to be,
a lot of it is going to be on the
backs of AI. I haven't really
seen a shift in terms
of like the power structure in general.
It's just the types of people
who get into that sphere of
influence and they're all surrounding Trump
and I think, especially Vance,
but it could backfire with
the Epstein scandal and inflation and
stuff like that. The Democrats
that come into power, I'm not speaking
glowingly to them, but I think that
they're generally more averse to
like the Peter Thiel's and things like that
because they've hitched their wagon to Trump,
so to speak, and some of them still live
in that tribal world. They'll
still always be privileges, you know,
subsidies for these firms and such,
but I don't know how long
they can keep this going under a facade
where so many of them were connected
to Epstein, so I haven't really seen
a general shift in terms of
like the power structure. It's just
the people that come within the vicinity
of it, if that makes any sense.
Yeah, man, for sure.
Man, Dave, sorry
we're out of time. I'm kind of sorry
that we're out of time here. I'm kind of apologizing
to myself here, but we do have
one more bit
left for the white pill question,
but before we get to that, dude,
I want to, you know, thank you for on behalf
of the Freethought Project for coming on
and sharing your perspective today, dude.
You're like a walking encyclopedia, man.
There's only a handful of guests that are like you
that can do that, and I know that Gavin
Nasiamento is one of them, but it's pretty amazing
and always refreshing to
talk to somebody like this, man. It's great.
Like, seriously, not many people can connect
the dots between 18th century
constitutional theory that you cited earlier
in fucking the modern surveillance state, right?
But, you know, even beyond the knowledge,
I also wanted to say that it's important
like what you're doing to
like staying principled, you know.
We've seen a lot of people this
past couple of months, you know,
with these ice killings showing their true colors
and like Tim Pool,
I am the boot.
Oh, my God.
I know I missed out on the best meme
idea. I just thought about it.
I was going to make like Baby Groot, you know,
and put a little beanie on it
and kind of make, put Tim Pool's
face on it and be like, I am boot.
I love that.
I didn't make it in time
and it's the time has passed
with that, but anyway, man,
thank you for that as well, dude.
So, you know, we've covered some pretty
heavy ground today.
It's rough when you talk about satanic pedophiles
who run the world and, you know,
and they're all Russian, right?
Of course.
I appreciate the praise, man.
I have the same like
admiration for you guys and your organization
always staying principled regardless
of like the changing, you know,
propaganda out there.
You should be part of this tribe or else.
I really appreciate you guys and what you do too
and I really appreciate the compliment.
That's awesome, man.
Yeah, it's like
they're culling the herd,
if you will, you know.
We're dropping like flies out there, man.
I appreciate that a lot.
So, like for the person who listens to this podcast
and may feel a little overwhelmed about
what we discussed today,
like the surveillance state,
the lack of justice for victims and
all this other shit, you know,
you cited 18th century
constitutional theory earlier.
Let's give them like optimistic,
historical or constitutional
path forward to
for us to reclaim our autonomy
and like build a society that
doesn't rely on these
satanic pedophile cults.
Well, yeah, here's my pitch
for being white-pilled and it's four pronged
and me and Jason did talk about this a little bit.
It's that right now,
like institutional faith
from the American people to the
institutions and like deep state organizations
is at a historic low.
Like they're just not buying a lot
of this absurd propaganda anymore.
That's Dean scandal is part of it,
but it's also part of other things
that they were lied to, particularly
about the COVID regime, etc.
That's one thing. Number two is that
home school rates and private school
rates are through the roof historically.
I think it's just about the highest
point in American history in terms of
you know, percentage of the American populace
that is involved in that kind of schooling.
That's good. Get them out of the
government schools. Number three,
Americans are armed to the teeth
beyond any other time in American history
per capita. Two with, I think,
something like 400 million firearms.
That's good too. Now, you can make the
argument that that amount of firearms
hasn't exactly subdued tyranny,
but it is a hedge if it ever comes
to that point in terms of self-defense.
I think that's a good thing. And here's
the most important thing to me
in my four pronged white-pill
pitch here is that we have this new
independent media guys, where Jason,
Matt, Don, you guys and me
we've never been able to get our voices
out like we are now, that it isn't
filtered through like three big
media networks like ABC and CNN
and NBC. Like
we have a new platform now. Some of
it is going to be co-opted and dominated
by corporate and governmental
interests. They reassigned Dan
Bongino back to the
podosphere, you know, so
we know that. But we do have this
outlet and it's just such a blessing
to see, you know, people like that
really get like into the
zeitgeist of this conversation. Guys like
Dave Smith and Judge Napolitano
and, you know, Ron Paul was
just on Tucker Carlson. Like this is
insane, man. Like this could not
have happened in any other timeline.
So there's my pitch. I love
that four pronged approach to Liberty
Brother. That's great, man.
Yeah, it's not political. It's like cultural
movements that are in our favor, right?
Exactly. Yes.
Yeah, there's no politics is going to get us out
of this. This is what's got us into this, you know.
If you think that politics is going to get
you out of it, you need to go read Rothbard.
Amen. I
love Rothbard.
Hey, free thinkers. This is Matt Agarist
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Dude, Dave, thank you so much for coming
on, brother. It was a pleasure, man. Before
we get out of here, would you like to tell everybody
where they can find and follow
and support your work? Yeah, absolutely.
Thanks again, gents. So, on Twitter, I'm
at Dbenner83. We'd love
for you to follow me there.
Get my hot taste, so to speak,
but Liberty Vault is my primary venture.
That's Liberty Vault on
YouTube. If you just search for that, you can
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I cover a lot of takes from
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But that's the channel that they can follow
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Those are the four that I really recommend.
Hell, yeah. We're dealing a lot of
four prongs out here, fellas.
I'm loving it. There's four of us
on the talk, gats. That's a four-prong
approach. Yeah.
Anyway, man, thank you. Just sign up
to get everyone thinking four somehow.
I don't know why.
Four word, right?
Thank you.
There you go.
This was one for the books, brother. It was fire.
Yeah. Thanks, guys.
You guys are the greatest. Keep up everything
you do for the cause of Liberty and so
many different realms that like
it transcends my knowledge on a lot of it.
You guys are wizards. I really appreciate you.
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