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accountability. 01:47.720 --> 01:53.140 Here are your hosts, Jason Bassler, Matt Agarist, and Dawn Vi Jr. 01:57.520 --> 01:59.140 Hello again, free thinkers. 01:59.600 --> 02:01.860 Welcome back to the Free Thought Project Podcast. 02:01.860 --> 02:07.580 My name is Jason Bassler, and joining me is the Free Thought Project Editor-in-Chief Matt Agarist. 02:08.020 --> 02:13.500 We also have writer, editor, and all-around good guy, Dawn Vi Jr. joining us today. 02:15.160 --> 02:17.860 So thank you all for joining us once again. 02:18.220 --> 02:24.100 Today's show will undoubtedly peel back some layers of the Clown World USA we're currently living in. 02:24.440 --> 02:30.060 And we're hoping to cover a range of topics from the latest in the Epstein files cover-up. 02:30.580 --> 02:33.360 Maybe touch on some Palantir and Surveillance State stuff. 02:33.860 --> 02:39.560 We'll probably start off with some geopolitics while zooming out and looking at the bigger picture. 02:40.120 --> 02:42.240 But obviously, you guys, there's so much going on. 02:42.380 --> 02:44.180 It really is hard to keep up with all of it. 02:44.360 --> 02:50.740 But our guest today has some amazing insights, and I'm absolutely grateful he is joining us here. 02:51.660 --> 02:55.740 But before I get to his introduction, just lend me your ear for two minutes, guys. 02:55.740 --> 03:00.760 I will breeze through some of the important stuff that really does help this show keep moving forward. 03:01.500 --> 03:03.900 So first and foremost, it's really easy, guys. 03:04.020 --> 03:06.180 Just please make sure you are subscribed to this podcast. 03:06.820 --> 03:09.000 Also take a brief moment to rate and review. 03:09.820 --> 03:16.780 Those ratings really do push the Spotify and Apple Podcast algorithms to share our show with more people. 03:17.180 --> 03:18.020 So that is huge. 03:18.400 --> 03:20.280 And if you're a longtime listener of the show, 03:20.880 --> 03:28.220 or just understand how 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Trump 04:12.320 --> 04:14.520 and the start of his new administration, 04:14.520 --> 04:18.060 much of which I think has already turned out to be accurate, 04:18.160 --> 04:21.380 and I'm sure we'll talk about a little bit about that today as well. 04:22.020 --> 04:25.340 So if you do enjoy this episode, definitely listen to that one as well. 04:25.780 --> 04:28.660 But Dave is a historian, he's an author, 04:28.880 --> 04:32.020 and he is the host of his YouTube channel Liberty Vault, 04:32.200 --> 04:35.580 which has an impressive 372,000 subscribers, 04:35.580 --> 04:37.900 which we were just talking about off air, 04:37.900 --> 04:41.780 is no easy feat to really accomplish these days with the bands and the throttling. 04:42.320 --> 04:45.060 But Dave, thank you so much for joining us today. 04:45.280 --> 04:48.960 Good to see you again, brother, and welcome back to the Freethought Project podcast. 04:49.740 --> 04:51.540 Yeah, Jason, thanks for having me, man. 04:51.660 --> 04:55.460 I especially appreciate you preceding my name with the great. 04:55.840 --> 04:57.540 So my check you paid off. 04:57.740 --> 04:59.180 And yeah, thanks for having me, man. 04:59.480 --> 04:59.780 Thanks, Matt. 04:59.880 --> 05:00.460 Thanks, Don. 05:00.640 --> 05:01.880 It's a pleasure to talk to you guys. 05:02.080 --> 05:06.960 I love your organization, and you guys have a lot of overlap in things that interest me. 05:06.980 --> 05:09.260 So I think we can have a great conversation here. 05:09.940 --> 05:10.960 I think so too, man. 05:10.960 --> 05:14.640 And you're doing great things, so we give respect where it's due. 05:15.380 --> 05:20.840 And I did think that maybe we could start off with a topic that we didn't touch on your show last night, 05:20.840 --> 05:24.460 and partially because I'm personally interested in hearing your take about it. 05:24.760 --> 05:28.520 I've been a little bit behind the eight ball when it comes to the geopolitics stuff. 05:29.660 --> 05:32.960 As we were talking about, there's just so much to follow and keep track of. 05:33.140 --> 05:35.940 And I think I've been a little bit more focused on domestic stuff, 05:35.940 --> 05:42.000 but I'd love to hear your thoughts on the recent escalation with not only Trump threatening Iran, 05:42.160 --> 05:45.040 but also declaring a national emergency over Cuba, 05:45.680 --> 05:51.700 and framing the Cuban government as this quote unusual and extraordinary threat. 05:52.560 --> 05:58.400 And we saw that basically kind of same playbook happen with Venezuela when the U.S. seized, 05:59.420 --> 06:01.180 AKA kidnapped Maduro. 06:02.120 --> 06:05.120 And it appears that Trump is kind of widening that net. 06:05.480 --> 06:11.520 And on top of that, Trump just signed an executive order threatening tariffs of up to 25% 06:11.520 --> 06:14.920 on any country that continues doing business with Iran. 06:15.460 --> 06:17.720 So the military posturing is increasing. 06:18.100 --> 06:22.520 There's a U.S. aircraft carrier has begun kind of inching closer to Iran. 06:23.040 --> 06:25.940 And we saw that same kind of military buildup with Venezuela. 06:25.940 --> 06:28.820 So it seems like the continuity is clear here. 06:29.440 --> 06:32.620 Trump's threats globally have become more explicit. 06:33.320 --> 06:36.280 The tensions diplomatically are increasing. 06:37.220 --> 06:42.340 And it does kind of feel like the mask is off now when it comes to the U.S. empire building. 06:42.660 --> 06:47.800 So what do you think our listeners should understand about this kind of like multi-front escalation 06:47.800 --> 06:49.300 and where it's all headed? 06:49.620 --> 06:52.340 And what element isn't really being talked about enough? 06:53.160 --> 06:56.160 Yeah, I think it's the propaganda element, Jason. 06:56.320 --> 06:59.100 I think you gave a good overview there, breaking it down. 06:59.200 --> 07:05.440 But this is really the product of a neocon Marco Rubio Miriam Adelson foreign policy 07:05.440 --> 07:08.800 just manifesting in virtually every region around the world. 07:08.940 --> 07:11.600 Like if you would have talked to a lot of Trump supporters, 07:11.760 --> 07:17.240 like literally none of them voted for him because we are going to get into another Israel First War 07:17.240 --> 07:23.380 or a neocon anti-comi war versus Cuba or Venezuela, regime change operation 07:23.380 --> 07:27.120 that Trump skewered in his campaign. 07:27.420 --> 07:34.420 But what happens with the uniparty and the state, which it thrives off theatrics 07:34.420 --> 07:39.100 and optics to try to make you believe that it's this mass clash of ideologies 07:39.100 --> 07:41.580 between Harris and Trump. 07:41.780 --> 07:46.460 It really is run by the same people, the same lobbies, the same corporate interests 07:46.460 --> 07:49.380 among them is APEC in the Israel lobby. 07:49.620 --> 07:55.800 And the Iran thing is most frustrating to me because the president just gives away the game 07:55.800 --> 07:59.440 when he shifts the propaganda where back in the summer, 07:59.540 --> 08:02.300 after the United States joined with Israel to bomb Iran, 08:02.540 --> 08:05.760 tanking their own negotiations to do so, 08:06.420 --> 08:11.600 the big line about why we had to do that is we have to subdue the nuclear weapons threat 08:11.600 --> 08:15.200 which even Tulsi Gabbard admitted did not exist. 08:15.200 --> 08:19.080 There was no evidence they had even restarted their nuclear weapons program 08:19.080 --> 08:20.860 back in her annual threat summary. 08:20.880 --> 08:26.720 Well, they took out three facilities including at Fordo with bunker busters 08:26.720 --> 08:30.000 and then Trump came out of this saying, hey, we set them back decades. 08:30.200 --> 08:32.180 We set this program back decades. 08:32.280 --> 08:37.040 But here we are again and why it's that Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israel lobby 08:37.040 --> 08:41.120 has convinced him to just favor Israel above the United States, 08:41.220 --> 08:44.620 above our own communities when Americans are sick and tired of it. 08:44.620 --> 08:48.560 Actually, in an unprecedented way, younger people are peeling away 08:48.560 --> 08:51.840 from the mentality of wanting to support this nonsense again. 08:52.380 --> 08:54.840 And like I said with the propaganda, they shifted it to, 08:55.120 --> 08:57.540 well, if Iran rebuilds their ballistic missiles, 08:57.720 --> 09:01.080 the only deterrent that they have against Israel will go to war. 09:01.280 --> 09:03.340 If they kill protesters, we'll go to war. 09:03.680 --> 09:07.200 It's getting to the point where it's like if the Iranian officials eat lunch, 09:07.380 --> 09:08.360 we'll go to war. 09:09.000 --> 09:15.400 I mean, there are negotiations right now and I have to maintain some sliver of hope 09:15.400 --> 09:20.680 because the Turks and the Saudis and the Qataris and some others are involved 09:20.680 --> 09:23.980 in these negotiations that they don't want to war in the region. 09:23.980 --> 09:26.840 But I don't know if it's enough to overcome the Israel lobby 09:26.840 --> 09:31.260 to take out the Iranian regime, the consummation of the clean break strategy, 09:31.400 --> 09:35.020 the only of seven countries that hasn't been regime changed yet. 09:35.120 --> 09:37.340 So sorry for going up, but that's kind of what I think. 09:37.340 --> 09:40.320 That was perfect. A great summarization. 09:40.600 --> 09:45.320 It kind of gives me some food for thawed and yeah, it does really feel like 09:45.320 --> 09:48.260 just more gaslighting of the American public, right? 09:49.160 --> 09:54.740 I mean, they're able to really spin any type of reason with a straight face, right? 09:54.900 --> 09:59.760 I mean, the Trump administration seems like it's game on with this Iran debacle 09:59.760 --> 10:06.500 and it feels like a lot of this is just Trump's own approach to the art of the deal 10:06.500 --> 10:08.700 but on like an international scale, right? 10:09.180 --> 10:13.400 It doesn't really matter what type of diplomacy we had with these countries in the past. 10:13.560 --> 10:15.520 It doesn't matter if they're allies or they're not. 10:15.740 --> 10:21.440 It seems like it's just hardball and that's the only card that Trump really has in his deck, you know? 10:21.720 --> 10:28.100 And I just could only imagine even if this doesn't lead to some type of war, proxy war, 10:28.320 --> 10:30.740 another precision strike or something similar to that, 10:30.980 --> 10:32.940 what kind of damage is going to do internationally? 10:32.940 --> 10:36.240 I mean, we're already seeing a lot of pushback through hegemony 10:36.240 --> 10:41.440 that the American government has kind of had over the economic system globally 10:41.440 --> 10:46.340 and pushback against the U.S. dollar and the Petro dollar and with bricks and stuff like that. 10:46.460 --> 10:50.640 But I mean, I feel like we're just continuing to dig our own grave here. 10:50.820 --> 10:53.520 And yes, obviously the U.S. has the military might. 10:53.920 --> 10:58.020 I'm not necessarily worried about that, but we need partners internationally. 10:58.360 --> 10:59.320 We do need trade. 10:59.320 --> 11:04.920 We need other countries to coexist with us in a way that seems reasonable and peaceful. 11:05.320 --> 11:07.460 And it feels like Trump is just pissing on all that. 11:07.660 --> 11:10.280 And so it does feel worrisome to me. 11:10.840 --> 11:14.960 And this is after what, you know, 20 years of just living through the war on terror. 11:15.680 --> 11:19.020 So it's not like this is something new for the American people, 11:19.020 --> 11:24.120 but the amount of escalation that seems to be increasing in such a short period of time 11:24.120 --> 11:26.900 should be a red flag for anybody who's really paying attention. 11:27.640 --> 11:28.420 Yeah, man. 11:28.540 --> 11:31.620 I think like the unipolar moment was totally squandered, 11:31.640 --> 11:34.440 that being the moment right after the fall of the Soviet Union 11:34.440 --> 11:37.060 where the United States and the neocons said, 11:37.080 --> 11:41.160 hey, we need to take advantage of this by spreading democracy overseas 11:41.160 --> 11:44.120 and getting into all these regime change operations. 11:44.460 --> 11:47.000 And that didn't benefit us in any way. 11:47.080 --> 11:52.560 In fact, it set us back in terms of debt like $12 trillion just for the war on terror. 11:52.560 --> 11:55.840 You have 20 year occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, 11:56.260 --> 11:59.280 the latter of which replaced the Taliban with the Taliban 11:59.280 --> 12:05.000 over 20 years and thousands of human lives from the United States, 12:05.200 --> 12:08.520 half a million Afghanis, one million in Iraq, 12:08.760 --> 12:11.300 like five million total in the war on terror. 12:11.460 --> 12:16.020 And now you have this moment where it's not the unipolar age anymore 12:16.020 --> 12:19.080 and you have Trump doing things like a sanctions regime 12:19.080 --> 12:21.540 and secondary tariffs against India 12:21.960 --> 12:26.020 that's driving India into the arms of China and Russia, 12:26.180 --> 12:28.260 the one thing that would embolden BRICS 12:28.260 --> 12:32.300 and possibly encourage it to become a military alliance 12:32.300 --> 12:34.180 or as you kind of alluded to, 12:34.300 --> 12:37.500 maybe creating a new currency that could displace the U.S. dollar 12:37.500 --> 12:39.240 as the reserve currency of the world. 12:39.360 --> 12:40.740 So I think it's all disastrous. 12:41.260 --> 12:44.040 It's all based on proxy wars and scyops 12:44.040 --> 12:46.340 to convince Americans to support this nonsense. 12:46.340 --> 12:48.720 And it doesn't pay off for Americans whatsoever. 12:49.020 --> 12:49.440 So yeah. 12:50.260 --> 12:50.700 Agreed. 12:50.840 --> 12:51.340 Well said. 12:51.760 --> 12:55.420 And those trillions, well, that's just part of the national debt, Dave. 12:55.580 --> 12:56.540 Who cares about that? 12:56.660 --> 12:58.560 As long as Halliburton got its billions 12:58.560 --> 13:01.360 and Palantir obviously is next to mine here. 13:01.780 --> 13:04.560 So I mean, I guess that seems to be the bottom line. 13:04.560 --> 13:07.640 Unfortunately, the debt, the destruction, the debt, 13:07.780 --> 13:09.320 none of that stuff seems to really matter 13:09.320 --> 13:11.300 when it comes to the empire building. 13:11.520 --> 13:14.080 But I did want to shift here slightly 13:14.080 --> 13:18.640 because on a related note, I'm curious to hear your thoughts 13:18.640 --> 13:20.520 regarding the situation with Israel right now, 13:20.540 --> 13:22.640 especially with the information that's been surfacing. 13:23.280 --> 13:26.580 Now, I think the media is kind of working overtime 13:26.580 --> 13:29.280 because we're watching parts of the media 13:29.280 --> 13:31.040 trying to reframe the Epstein network 13:31.040 --> 13:33.760 as somehow tied to Russian influence 13:33.760 --> 13:37.820 rather than acknowledging the long-documented connections 13:37.820 --> 13:38.880 with Israel. 13:39.600 --> 13:41.120 And obviously, many people feel like 13:41.120 --> 13:44.720 this is an intentional, coordinated cover-up for Israel 13:44.720 --> 13:47.780 by the Israel Influence Network that exists in the US. 13:48.500 --> 13:51.460 So how do you make sense of that shift and narrative 13:51.460 --> 13:54.200 and what does it suggest about the way 13:54.200 --> 13:56.160 that foreign influence stories are presented 13:56.160 --> 13:57.120 to the American public? 13:57.700 --> 13:59.940 Well, it's definitely subterfuge 13:59.940 --> 14:03.200 and I think this is extremely reminiscent of Russia Gate 14:03.200 --> 14:07.100 trying to frame Trump for all of his shortcomings 14:07.100 --> 14:10.480 and all of his wrongdoings as some kind of Russian agent 14:10.480 --> 14:13.500 that was colluding with Putin to win the election. 14:13.660 --> 14:15.800 They're just repeating this again but attaching it 14:15.800 --> 14:21.760 to the most universally viewed as vile and Epstein 14:21.760 --> 14:24.640 and there's just no corroboration for it. 14:24.660 --> 14:27.940 It actually is projection to the biggest degree imaginable 14:27.940 --> 14:30.980 because there are many documented cases 14:30.980 --> 14:34.860 of him working directly on behalf of the Israeli government 14:34.860 --> 14:36.360 that he was tied in deeply 14:36.360 --> 14:39.400 to especially the Israeli left under Ehud Barak 14:39.400 --> 14:43.320 and Ehud Olmerit, the former of which stated his house 14:43.320 --> 14:44.960 for prolonged periods of time, 14:45.320 --> 14:47.740 over 30 times in his Manhattan residence 14:47.740 --> 14:49.480 given to him by Les Wexner. 14:49.860 --> 14:52.860 We have from leaks showing that he wire transferred 14:52.860 --> 14:56.440 known spies within Israel including a guy named Yoni Koran. 14:56.860 --> 14:59.360 These wire transfer records are part of the email leaks. 14:59.600 --> 15:01.700 There's documented evidence that he brokered 15:01.980 --> 15:05.620 security agreements between the governments of Israel 15:05.620 --> 15:08.040 and Mongolia and the governments of Israel 15:08.040 --> 15:09.000 and the Ivory Coast. 15:09.420 --> 15:12.360 He was involved in introducing Benjamin Netanyahu 15:12.360 --> 15:13.880 to JP Morgan executives. 15:14.600 --> 15:17.040 He was in charge of a recruiting effort 15:17.040 --> 15:19.540 for marketing the Leviathan field. 15:19.760 --> 15:21.920 It's an energy project in Israel 15:21.920 --> 15:24.120 that Netanyahu actually just unveiled 15:24.120 --> 15:27.180 the commemoration of it back in December 15:27.180 --> 15:28.260 just two months ago. 15:28.600 --> 15:33.340 He was so intricately connected to these Israeli schemes 15:33.340 --> 15:35.960 and likely played a role in Iran contra 15:35.960 --> 15:38.140 under the money laundering side of that. 15:38.320 --> 15:39.180 And yet they're going with, 15:39.300 --> 15:40.840 well, he was a clear Russian agent. 15:41.060 --> 15:43.880 And the only evidence that they point to 15:43.880 --> 15:46.740 that suggests this is that Ehud Barak, 15:47.480 --> 15:49.400 Ehud Barak, the former prime minister, 15:49.560 --> 15:51.220 the former head of IDF intelligence 15:51.220 --> 15:53.880 wanted him to set up a meeting with Putin 15:53.880 --> 15:57.040 to try to benefit from the Syrian Civil War. 15:57.320 --> 15:59.560 So at the behest of Ehud Barak, 15:59.660 --> 16:01.560 he tried to get a meeting with Putin 16:01.560 --> 16:02.720 that was denied. 16:02.960 --> 16:03.820 The records show that. 16:03.820 --> 16:05.700 So there's not even evidence that he could even 16:05.700 --> 16:07.380 get a meeting with Putin. 16:07.380 --> 16:09.840 But this is still what the neocons and Zionists 16:09.840 --> 16:12.460 are riding with as projection to detract 16:12.460 --> 16:14.620 from all the evidence that points to him 16:14.620 --> 16:16.620 being some kind of Israeli asset. 16:16.840 --> 16:17.820 So that's what I think. 16:18.540 --> 16:19.160 Yeah, man. 16:19.240 --> 16:20.640 It's absolutely wild. 16:21.420 --> 16:23.300 Like for in 2008, you know, 16:23.300 --> 16:24.680 we heard that he's like a lone wolf. 16:25.160 --> 16:27.140 And then I guess Alex Acosta, 16:27.140 --> 16:28.900 he kind of slipped up and admitted 16:28.900 --> 16:31.200 that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset. 16:31.460 --> 16:33.280 You know, this was all documented. 16:33.280 --> 16:35.720 And to go to Russia is just, 16:35.980 --> 16:37.780 it's absolutely hilarious to me. 16:38.300 --> 16:38.560 It's like, 16:38.680 --> 16:41.660 is Hillary Clinton advising Netanyahu now? 16:41.880 --> 16:43.080 Like that's what this seems like. 16:43.660 --> 16:44.420 Just see Russia. 16:44.580 --> 16:45.020 Just see Russia. 16:45.120 --> 16:45.780 They're going to buy it. 16:46.340 --> 16:49.380 And I mean, unfortunately, I think they are, you know. 16:49.980 --> 16:50.780 And like you said, 16:50.820 --> 16:52.820 I think they're digging up some like old FBI firms 16:52.820 --> 16:54.820 where Putin talked to or like reached out 16:54.820 --> 16:57.980 to try to get Epstein to do something 16:57.980 --> 16:59.140 with finances or something, whatever, 16:59.620 --> 17:01.160 what you just explained basically. 17:01.160 --> 17:03.340 But it's, I mean, it's overwhelming evidence, you know, 17:03.440 --> 17:06.520 that he's got ties to Mossad and Wexner 17:06.520 --> 17:07.740 in the US intelligence community. 17:07.900 --> 17:12.120 And you have to be pretty damn stupid to believe otherwise, 17:12.420 --> 17:13.160 which is like, 17:13.340 --> 17:14.920 I guess that's what brings me to my question is, 17:15.220 --> 17:18.300 like why on earth would they have chosen Russia? 17:18.440 --> 17:20.360 Do you think that they think that people are this dumb 17:20.360 --> 17:21.700 and won't catch that? 17:21.880 --> 17:24.640 Like this is the same thing they used against Trump, 17:25.220 --> 17:26.860 you know, claiming that he was a Russian asset. 17:26.860 --> 17:29.240 And now they're using it on Epstein to like, 17:29.240 --> 17:29.980 to try to deflect. 17:29.980 --> 17:32.820 I just don't understand why they chose that. 17:32.940 --> 17:34.440 Do you think that these people are that dumb 17:34.440 --> 17:35.860 or do you think that there's some underlying 17:37.680 --> 17:40.320 maybe scheme or something that they have planned 17:40.320 --> 17:41.840 that might actually work for them? 17:42.260 --> 17:45.380 Yeah, I think they're banking on just the lack of knowledge 17:45.380 --> 17:48.920 of the layman on this case that haven't been given the facts 17:48.920 --> 17:51.180 and been privy to it, dealt deep into it, 17:51.200 --> 17:53.620 like guys like us where we follow this stuff, 17:53.720 --> 17:55.960 we see what the independent media says about it, 17:55.960 --> 17:58.560 maybe the drop site series on Epstein 17:58.560 --> 18:01.400 and kind of his criminal and intelligence background. 18:01.700 --> 18:04.520 But it's also because they fear that, you know, 18:04.600 --> 18:06.920 this war, this proxy war that the U.S. 18:06.960 --> 18:09.560 has funded against Russia really since 2014, 18:10.000 --> 18:12.400 not just since Putin's invasion of Ukraine, 18:12.400 --> 18:15.460 but since the Yanukovych government was overthrown 18:15.460 --> 18:17.880 by the United States and the State Department 18:17.880 --> 18:21.480 with leaked calls between Victoria Nuland and Jeffrey Payett, 18:21.660 --> 18:23.320 the ambassador kind of showing that. 18:23.620 --> 18:26.200 And one thing that the regime got out of Russiagate, 18:26.200 --> 18:28.020 it wasn't just taking out Trump, 18:28.300 --> 18:30.140 which they were relatively successful 18:30.140 --> 18:32.700 in his first term of taking it out, 18:32.740 --> 18:34.680 but the other purpose behind Russiagate 18:34.680 --> 18:37.480 was to exacerbate tensions with Russia. 18:37.780 --> 18:40.440 And they got that part of it out of that. 18:40.680 --> 18:43.600 And this is like, I think, a gambit they're trying to use 18:43.600 --> 18:47.100 to renew calls for increased support for Ukraine 18:47.100 --> 18:50.700 that might manifest if a Democratic governor comes to power 18:50.700 --> 18:53.960 or if Trump is somehow convinced to give Ukraine 18:53.960 --> 18:57.660 a security agreement, an Article 5-like security agreement 18:57.660 --> 19:00.520 from the United States in exchange for, say, Greenland. 19:00.640 --> 19:02.960 I don't think we've heard the end of this war. 19:03.060 --> 19:04.700 There's no signs it's coming to a close. 19:05.140 --> 19:06.860 All the globalists want it to continue, 19:07.040 --> 19:08.940 the Keir Starmers, mares of the world. 19:09.280 --> 19:11.260 And I think they've chosen Russia specifically 19:11.260 --> 19:13.820 for that purpose to try to keep this going. 19:13.920 --> 19:16.860 It's a lucrative venture for the military industrial complex 19:16.860 --> 19:17.780 and the bankers. 19:18.220 --> 19:19.860 And that's why I asked you that question. 19:20.160 --> 19:21.400 Thank you. That was a great response. 19:23.860 --> 19:26.340 Yeah. And, you know, it's really interesting 19:26.340 --> 19:29.400 when we look at the whole nuances of particularly 19:30.220 --> 19:33.080 the Epstein thing as it relates to, you know, 19:33.100 --> 19:36.480 the sort of geopolitics because, you know, on the one hand, 19:36.740 --> 19:38.180 you know, as you mentioned, you know, 19:38.180 --> 19:40.960 it's incredibly lucrative to keep this proxy war going. 19:40.960 --> 19:44.160 And, you know, we know that they have wanted they 19:44.160 --> 19:46.020 being the powers that should not be 19:46.020 --> 19:47.660 the globalist, new world order, you know, 19:47.720 --> 19:49.260 however people want to characterize it, 19:49.260 --> 19:51.840 have wanted this conflict with Russia 19:51.840 --> 19:55.420 essentially since the fall of the Soviet Union. 19:55.660 --> 19:58.060 And we know this because there are declassified 19:58.060 --> 20:02.200 cables and documents that show them blatantly saying 20:02.200 --> 20:05.720 if we continue this process of antagonization, 20:05.740 --> 20:07.820 it's going to result in some sort of conflict, 20:07.980 --> 20:11.380 either direct hot war with Russia 20:11.380 --> 20:14.600 or a proxy conflict as we see now. 20:15.200 --> 20:20.040 And on the side of like them attempting to paint 20:20.040 --> 20:21.740 Epstein as a Russian asset, you know, 20:21.780 --> 20:23.600 as you guys said, that's an absolute, 20:24.740 --> 20:26.280 absolutely laughable, you know, 20:26.300 --> 20:28.140 looking at his connections with the mega group. 20:28.200 --> 20:29.720 And of course, as you mentioned to Hugh Barak 20:29.720 --> 20:31.560 and everybody else, I mean, he's very clearly 20:31.560 --> 20:32.960 controlled by Israel. 20:33.400 --> 20:35.420 What I do find interesting, however, 20:36.260 --> 20:38.480 whilst I do see some individuals on the left 20:38.480 --> 20:41.660 still placating that it'll trump as a Russian asset 20:41.660 --> 20:44.000 and, you know, his relationship with Epstein 20:44.000 --> 20:45.520 and Epstein's a Russian asset, 20:45.800 --> 20:47.320 like parroting that nonsense. 20:48.160 --> 20:52.500 However, there are also the interesting little facets 20:52.500 --> 20:54.960 of the fact that we also can't forget the fact 20:54.960 --> 21:00.420 that one Putin himself is a globalist oligarch 21:00.420 --> 21:04.140 and the former KGB and the FSB, you know, 21:04.140 --> 21:05.640 very well known to be involved 21:05.640 --> 21:08.200 in sort of sex trafficking blackmail things of that nature. 21:08.340 --> 21:10.020 And I don't know if you guys have been listening 21:10.020 --> 21:13.640 to some of the tapes released from the interview 21:13.640 --> 21:16.540 of Sasha Riley, who's allegedly one of the victims 21:16.540 --> 21:18.800 of Epstein and Trump specifically. 21:19.460 --> 21:21.320 But he had mentioned when he was at one of those 21:21.320 --> 21:23.720 disgusting parties when he was a child 21:23.720 --> 21:27.220 that he had heard Putin's named name 21:27.220 --> 21:29.160 mentioned among some of those individuals. 21:29.240 --> 21:30.160 He didn't say he was there, 21:30.200 --> 21:32.640 but that he was being discussed and whatnot. 21:32.880 --> 21:36.680 And so I am curious as to whether or not 21:36.680 --> 21:39.240 there is any kind of connection with it, 21:39.240 --> 21:42.340 albeit obviously mild compared to Israel, 21:42.580 --> 21:44.580 Israel being, you know, Epstein's handler, 21:44.920 --> 21:47.100 but I would kind of like to get your thoughts on that day 21:47.100 --> 21:50.060 because like a lot of people would sort of say, 21:50.140 --> 21:52.940 oh, you guys just, you know, you kiss Russia's ass 21:52.940 --> 21:55.780 and, you know, you don't call out any of their issues. 21:55.780 --> 21:57.840 And it's like, no, like people have to understand 21:57.840 --> 21:59.660 we're very much against them as well. 21:59.900 --> 22:03.380 You know, Putin is a fucking KGB thug 22:03.380 --> 22:05.880 who has had to strangle hold on the Russian government 22:05.880 --> 22:07.220 for like, what, 30 years now. 22:07.220 --> 22:09.640 And so I certainly wouldn't be surprised 22:09.640 --> 22:13.040 if he was in some capacity involved in this as well, 22:13.860 --> 22:17.320 juxtaposed to the fact that the Western Empire 22:17.320 --> 22:20.500 very much has it out for like wanting to topple Russia 22:20.500 --> 22:22.320 to continue their, you know, polar hegemony. 22:22.440 --> 22:26.300 So it's a very sort of nuanced sort of thing. 22:26.360 --> 22:28.220 But I'd definitely like to get your thoughts on that. 22:28.840 --> 22:30.220 Yeah, well said, Don. 22:30.440 --> 22:33.660 So, you know, my aversion to inflaming, 22:33.660 --> 22:36.320 you know, vitriol against other countries 22:36.320 --> 22:39.140 is not for love of those other countries' governments. 22:39.420 --> 22:40.100 That's for sure. 22:40.500 --> 22:41.660 I'm a non-interventionist. 22:41.720 --> 22:43.020 I'm an anarcho-capitalist. 22:43.040 --> 22:44.580 I don't even like my own government, 22:44.780 --> 22:47.860 let alone all other autocratic governments in the world. 22:48.160 --> 22:52.320 But I haven't dove so deep into like the Russian situation 22:52.320 --> 22:55.280 and the Russian connections outside of what I've heard 22:55.280 --> 22:58.280 literally like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin talk about 22:58.280 --> 23:01.380 and Laura Loomer when raising these absurdities, right? 23:01.500 --> 23:04.440 And just being able to debunk those off surface level 23:04.440 --> 23:05.100 takes enough. 23:05.360 --> 23:06.120 There is other stuff. 23:06.460 --> 23:08.680 I'd be open to that, but I also want to say, 23:08.740 --> 23:11.360 like I refuse to do the CIA's dirty work 23:11.360 --> 23:14.420 and just starting to condemn Russia in particular 23:14.420 --> 23:16.680 or Iran like the two, you know, 23:16.780 --> 23:19.420 CIA deep state boogeyman just because I think 23:19.420 --> 23:21.660 that does half of their job for them 23:21.660 --> 23:23.440 where they can point and say, hey, look, 23:23.480 --> 23:25.600 even the dissidents think that Putin 23:25.600 --> 23:27.820 and the Ayatollah are vile criminals 23:27.820 --> 23:30.640 and they may well be, but that's the kind of propaganda 23:30.640 --> 23:32.760 that they need to convince Americans 23:32.760 --> 23:35.140 to support these military operations. 23:35.340 --> 23:37.720 This is a kind of mindset that I've adopted 23:37.720 --> 23:40.940 and been convinced to adopt by Daniel McAdams. 23:41.120 --> 23:42.740 He runs the Ron Paul Institute. 23:42.980 --> 23:44.660 And I side with him on that. 23:44.760 --> 23:46.160 I hope that this answer makes sense. 23:46.740 --> 23:46.880 Oh, yeah. 23:46.880 --> 23:48.480 Oh, yeah, I absolutely agree. 23:48.680 --> 23:49.260 I just wanted to, 23:49.540 --> 23:51.740 because we'll always get those dickheads in the comments 23:51.740 --> 23:54.400 that are like, oh, you guys are shilling for X, Y, and Z. 23:54.640 --> 23:57.220 And so that was more so just to like 23:57.760 --> 23:59.480 throw that little nugget out there like, hey, 23:59.500 --> 24:01.100 we are looking at all angles, guys. 24:01.920 --> 24:02.440 Yeah. 24:02.860 --> 24:04.600 I appreciate you doing that, Don. 24:04.820 --> 24:06.960 And it is important to cover all of our basis, 24:07.160 --> 24:09.780 just so we're not ripe for critique. 24:10.220 --> 24:11.860 And there is plenty of people 24:11.860 --> 24:14.340 who will obfuscate the conversation 24:14.340 --> 24:16.660 just to throw in their what about-isms. 24:17.020 --> 24:19.480 And that's not what we're trying to accomplish here. 24:19.940 --> 24:20.880 With that said, 24:21.020 --> 24:24.460 I again wanted to maybe sidestep gently over here 24:24.460 --> 24:27.080 because while it's still in kind of the same realm 24:27.080 --> 24:28.860 of what we were just discussing, 24:28.860 --> 24:33.680 the Pam Bondi debacle has really been kind of all the rage 24:33.680 --> 24:36.780 within the last, well, not even 24 hours yet, right? 24:36.900 --> 24:39.100 I mean, she's become the butt of almost all the jokes 24:39.100 --> 24:42.640 and posts and tweets online and on social media, 24:42.860 --> 24:43.680 and rightfully so. 24:44.360 --> 24:46.340 And I think a lot of that was the absurdity 24:46.340 --> 24:48.500 just coming out of her mouth while she was testifying, 24:48.700 --> 24:49.260 you know what I mean? 24:49.880 --> 24:51.560 We talked about this last night of your show, 24:51.640 --> 24:53.460 but she was talking about how well the stock market 24:53.460 --> 24:56.780 was doing and like the dangers of Chinese vape products 24:56.780 --> 24:59.120 and just like it almost felt like a parody, right? 24:59.240 --> 25:00.500 Like it felt satirical. 25:00.680 --> 25:02.780 Like this had to be some type of AI video. 25:03.020 --> 25:05.440 It reminded me of Saturday Night Live to be honest. 25:05.780 --> 25:07.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 25:08.280 --> 25:11.600 But you know, it all seemed to be inadvertently saying 25:11.600 --> 25:13.200 the quiet part out loud, right? 25:13.280 --> 25:14.100 Which is, you know, 25:14.120 --> 25:16.300 it's kind of revealing the depths of lunacy 25:16.300 --> 25:17.500 that she'll succumb to 25:17.500 --> 25:20.860 to not be accountable for her lack of action 25:20.860 --> 25:22.080 and to the American people 25:22.080 --> 25:24.500 and especially the part where, you know, 25:24.800 --> 25:26.660 we've already mentioned his name several times on here, 25:26.660 --> 25:31.800 but Lex Wexner's name went from redacted to unredacted 25:31.800 --> 25:34.520 in under an hour when she was challenged by Massey. 25:35.120 --> 25:36.640 So it does feel like the crack 25:36.640 --> 25:39.620 and the, you know, what decades-long wall 25:39.620 --> 25:41.500 of institutional protection 25:41.500 --> 25:43.780 is starting to become more apparent. 25:44.340 --> 25:47.200 So like what do you think about moments like this? 25:47.520 --> 25:51.680 Like how does this expose how power operates 25:51.680 --> 25:55.120 in the shadows trying to contain a scandal of this size? 25:55.120 --> 25:57.720 And like, what do you suspect this was all about? 25:57.920 --> 25:59.300 Was this kind of like testing the waters 25:59.300 --> 26:01.280 to see if anybody would notice or push back? 26:01.440 --> 26:02.740 I mean, you know, obviously Massey did, 26:02.920 --> 26:04.480 but like, yeah, what are your thoughts on this? 26:04.960 --> 26:08.580 Yeah, I honestly think that she had a conversation with Trump 26:08.580 --> 26:10.000 about how to deal with this 26:10.000 --> 26:12.040 because a lot of her responses were like 26:12.040 --> 26:15.560 classic Trumpianism, like diversions to other things 26:15.560 --> 26:18.380 that, you know, he thinks are victories for him 26:18.380 --> 26:19.000 when it wasn't. 26:19.140 --> 26:20.820 I mean, you look at Thomas Massey, 26:20.920 --> 26:23.940 his case against Bondi in those hearings was pretty clear. 26:23.940 --> 26:27.220 He said, number one, you're unredacting victims' names. 26:27.440 --> 26:29.180 Our law doesn't allow you to do that. 26:29.400 --> 26:30.720 She had no excuse for that. 26:30.960 --> 26:34.720 Number two, he said, hey, you're redacting a name 26:34.720 --> 26:37.260 that you didn't redact in other documents, 26:37.360 --> 26:39.240 but you did redact it in this document 26:39.240 --> 26:42.180 that I don't know seems a significant variable here, 26:42.280 --> 26:45.740 says co-conspirators of Jeffrey Epstein on that. 26:45.840 --> 26:47.640 And you want us to think that's a coincidence? 26:48.180 --> 26:49.820 And she had no response to that. 26:50.040 --> 26:52.440 Andy's saying, hey, Cash Patel's on record saying, 26:52.440 --> 26:55.520 we don't have any evidence he sex trafficked to anyone, 26:55.540 --> 26:57.740 even though, hey, now we have these documents 26:57.740 --> 27:00.420 that you unredacted Les Wexner's name in 27:00.420 --> 27:02.480 and you never interviewed him whatsoever. 27:03.140 --> 27:04.320 The investigation died. 27:04.460 --> 27:05.520 And like you said, Jason, 27:06.040 --> 27:07.860 like she just has nothing but to say 27:07.860 --> 27:09.260 you're suffering from TDS, 27:09.700 --> 27:12.600 you're a failed politician, it's totally Trumpian. 27:12.740 --> 27:14.660 And then, hey, did you guys hear the Dow? 27:14.760 --> 27:16.300 The Dow was to 50,000? 27:16.740 --> 27:17.620 It's absurd. 27:17.740 --> 27:19.500 And I can't think that, you know, 27:19.500 --> 27:22.600 a layman that isn't even on one of two sides here, 27:22.680 --> 27:24.280 has a tribal identity, 27:24.680 --> 27:25.920 doesn't take a look at that 27:25.920 --> 27:28.720 and just see this for the pathetic display that it is. 27:29.060 --> 27:32.160 I just told more Americans see that footage in particular. 27:32.700 --> 27:34.780 Just that nasty five minutes was incredible. 27:35.060 --> 27:39.020 He rarely gets fired up like I saw him in that questioning 27:39.020 --> 27:41.240 and I'm here for it, man, I loved it. 27:41.700 --> 27:43.160 Yeah, dude, it was great. 27:43.800 --> 27:46.640 And like Jason said, it was a bit of a clown show. 27:46.640 --> 27:48.680 Like just hearing her deflecting 27:48.680 --> 27:51.700 and then talking about the Dow and all this. 27:51.980 --> 27:54.820 It was like a Saturday Live skit, man. 27:55.020 --> 27:56.260 It was fucking crazy. 27:56.460 --> 27:59.620 It was a masterclass in Trumpism deflection, you know? 27:59.940 --> 28:00.020 Yeah. 28:00.280 --> 28:01.620 You got Massey in there 28:01.620 --> 28:04.340 who like co-authored the law to get these files released 28:04.340 --> 28:06.820 and he's calling her out for like 28:06.820 --> 28:09.900 what could only be described as a deliberate cover-up. 28:10.060 --> 28:13.460 I mean, these people's names were deliberately redacted 28:13.460 --> 28:15.240 in these bills, you know? 28:15.240 --> 28:19.180 And he and Ro Khanna, you know, they found all this 28:19.180 --> 28:20.880 and like Wexner, 28:21.340 --> 28:23.320 I don't know if we mentioned that like in particular, 28:23.360 --> 28:25.700 but he was explicitly labeled as a co-conspirator. 28:26.920 --> 28:29.480 And as you said, Cash Patel, like they said, 28:29.540 --> 28:31.060 no, we don't have any evidence of this. 28:31.080 --> 28:33.440 This makes, this implicates all of them 28:33.440 --> 28:34.980 and like they're all basically 28:34.980 --> 28:37.480 at the very least committing perjury, right? 28:37.620 --> 28:40.020 Like they're not being transparent. 28:40.380 --> 28:42.220 They're hiding things deliberately from the public 28:42.220 --> 28:45.000 and then they're deflecting like what Bondi did 28:45.000 --> 28:48.280 by claiming that Massey had Trump derangement syndrome. 28:49.200 --> 28:51.360 Like, I mean, it's funny how these people throw 28:51.360 --> 28:52.980 around TDS everywhere, you know? 28:53.080 --> 28:55.020 But I think like it's fucking surreal, actually. 28:55.540 --> 28:58.860 And I think it's deranged to demand that the DOJ 28:58.860 --> 29:01.320 like cover up child predators, you know, 29:01.360 --> 29:02.060 help cover for child. 29:02.160 --> 29:02.980 I think that's the opposite. 29:03.220 --> 29:05.220 Like Massey doesn't have TDS. 29:05.680 --> 29:07.040 Fucking Bondi Patel, 29:07.160 --> 29:09.040 the entire Justice Department has TDS 29:09.040 --> 29:10.920 for like listening to Trump 29:10.920 --> 29:13.940 on how to follow through with releasing these documents. 29:14.380 --> 29:17.320 It absolutely is a clown show. 29:17.540 --> 29:21.880 So like when you see like a chief law enforcement officer 29:21.880 --> 29:23.540 like, you know, like Pam Bondi, 29:23.640 --> 29:26.080 use these slogans like TDS and all that 29:26.080 --> 29:27.100 to deflect from this 29:28.460 --> 29:31.420 insanely botched pedophilia investigation. 29:32.020 --> 29:34.560 Are we like, are we looking at a system 29:34.560 --> 29:36.500 that has like completely abandoned 29:36.500 --> 29:39.240 even maybe the pretense for accountability? 29:39.900 --> 29:42.100 Yeah, I really do think it is, man. 29:42.240 --> 29:44.200 Like this scheme worked for Trump 29:44.200 --> 29:46.400 when he would mispronounce like Ron DeSantis. 29:46.680 --> 29:48.500 His name, he would say like Ron DeSanctimonius. 29:49.420 --> 29:52.100 And when he mispronounced Pete Buddha judge's name 29:52.100 --> 29:54.700 or smeared Elizabeth Warren for revealing 29:54.700 --> 29:57.800 that she was 1 1,024th of a Native American. 29:58.060 --> 29:59.200 We all laughed at that. 29:59.260 --> 30:00.060 It was funny, right? 30:00.180 --> 30:01.440 It kind of worked in the time. 30:01.520 --> 30:03.640 But then you're trying to use those same tactics 30:03.640 --> 30:06.780 and like same absurdities to divert 30:06.780 --> 30:09.700 from a child sex trafficking operation. 30:09.860 --> 30:12.040 It doesn't really seem to have the same effect, 30:12.100 --> 30:14.740 especially when Trump has lost so much support 30:14.740 --> 30:17.700 from his own base over this issue in particular. 30:17.960 --> 30:18.800 It's not only this. 30:18.960 --> 30:21.060 It's like, you know, Doge was a facade. 30:21.200 --> 30:23.100 If you ever thought that that was there 30:23.100 --> 30:25.820 for real savings, you know, he's continued the wars, 30:25.860 --> 30:26.860 continued the bombing. 30:26.980 --> 30:30.080 But like you said, man, like she had no answer 30:30.080 --> 30:32.520 for like Massey's question at what point 30:32.520 --> 30:36.020 did Les Wexner stop being considered a co-conspirator. 30:36.460 --> 30:39.580 So it enters into perjury territory when they lie, 30:39.700 --> 30:40.800 especially Cache Patel. 30:40.940 --> 30:43.520 But I think this is going to end up like James Clapper. 30:43.680 --> 30:45.540 These people operate above the law. 30:46.020 --> 30:48.480 He, you know, gave falsifiable testimony, 30:48.740 --> 30:51.480 completely absurd lies about that. 30:51.680 --> 30:54.140 Hey, the NSA isn't bulked data collecting 30:54.140 --> 30:56.120 in the NSA prism program. 30:56.320 --> 30:58.840 On the stand, one question by Ron Wyden. 30:59.020 --> 30:59.800 Did they punish him? 31:00.040 --> 31:02.680 Did they, you know, impeach him? 31:02.940 --> 31:05.140 No, he was hired as a CNN analyst. 31:05.360 --> 31:06.920 That's what happens to these people. 31:07.320 --> 31:08.500 I don't think heads are going to roll, 31:08.560 --> 31:10.700 but I think you're right, Matt, that they've dropped 31:10.700 --> 31:13.480 any pretense that they're actually operating 31:13.480 --> 31:15.980 within the scope of what the American people expect. 31:16.580 --> 31:18.820 Yeah, it's like, hey, I have these bios 31:18.820 --> 31:21.580 and these videos of you actually abusing children. 31:22.040 --> 31:22.940 We were retarded. 31:24.220 --> 31:25.120 Just like that. 31:25.380 --> 31:26.240 Clear TDS. 31:26.600 --> 31:28.940 Where were you when Merritt Garland was here? 31:28.940 --> 31:31.600 And that's what I love Massie's moment where he said, 31:31.600 --> 31:35.540 this goes back for administrations, this cover-up, 31:35.600 --> 31:38.320 and you're responsible for this part of it. 31:38.340 --> 31:39.740 I think that was the perfect answer. 31:40.480 --> 31:41.480 Most definitely. 31:41.820 --> 31:44.540 And, you know, it's also one of those things where it's like, 31:45.320 --> 31:51.400 it's the deception of the way that they're doing this is so... 31:51.400 --> 31:53.680 I don't even want to say blatantly orwellian, 31:53.680 --> 31:58.840 because I think as concerning as it is to say, 31:59.260 --> 32:03.720 I think we've gone beyond orwell at this point in time, you know? 32:04.360 --> 32:07.600 And it's, like you guys were saying earlier, 32:08.520 --> 32:11.380 they're essentially just relying on assuming 32:11.380 --> 32:14.380 that the American people are completely stupid. 32:15.260 --> 32:18.740 And, you know, most people, even a lot of Trump's base 32:18.740 --> 32:20.780 are seeing right through it. 32:20.780 --> 32:24.740 And yet, at the same time, I saw somebody mention this. 32:24.820 --> 32:27.980 I think I was just like scrolling through TikTok last night 32:27.980 --> 32:30.120 and every once in a while you get a, you know, 32:30.140 --> 32:31.960 a decent video where someone makes some sense 32:31.960 --> 32:34.240 out of all the, you know, brain rot that's all in there. 32:34.820 --> 32:39.220 And I saw a dude mention the ways in which 32:39.220 --> 32:43.440 this media circus is being used to distract from the fact 32:43.440 --> 32:47.180 that they haven't even released all of the documents, 32:47.180 --> 32:50.680 even out of, you know, just what's been, you know, 32:50.780 --> 32:52.300 put out so far and heavily redacted 32:52.740 --> 32:54.600 in sort of like the mainstream media circus. 32:54.880 --> 32:57.380 And it got me thinking about guys that, like, 32:57.440 --> 33:01.160 are completely no longer mentioned that were so crucial 33:01.160 --> 33:02.520 to this whole Epstein network. 33:02.600 --> 33:05.660 Guys like Jean-Luc Brunel, who was involved, 33:05.780 --> 33:07.220 particularly in France, you know, 33:07.240 --> 33:10.120 he was very much like a Leslie Wexner kind of figure. 33:11.160 --> 33:13.180 And, you know, when Brunel got pinched, 33:13.900 --> 33:16.100 I think it was like what, two or three years ago now, 33:16.100 --> 33:20.060 he was another one of those didn't kill himself sort of things, 33:20.200 --> 33:23.320 you know, like he was mysteriously found dead hanging in his cell 33:23.320 --> 33:25.580 and I believe he was arrested in France. 33:26.260 --> 33:29.280 And, you know, it sort of brings up that whole, 33:30.020 --> 33:33.320 the way that they're using it to distract from the 33:33.320 --> 33:35.880 overarching fact of the matter, 33:35.900 --> 33:37.220 sort of like we were talking about earlier, 33:38.080 --> 33:41.300 that this entire network and all these people involved 33:41.300 --> 33:43.400 with it, Trump, Clinton, so on and so forth, 33:43.400 --> 33:47.580 this is an international sex trafficking abuse 33:47.580 --> 33:48.760 and not to mention some of the stuff 33:48.760 --> 33:49.940 that's come out in the files recently. 33:50.140 --> 33:52.600 I mean, you know, torture, weird occult rituals, 33:52.800 --> 33:56.980 cannibalism that connects CIA, Mossad, 33:57.420 --> 34:00.280 you know, banking elite, royal family, 34:00.440 --> 34:02.100 like world powers the world over. 34:02.600 --> 34:07.440 And it seems as though the sort of media circus 34:07.440 --> 34:09.840 that they're creating just about the, 34:09.840 --> 34:12.720 you know, oh, you've got TDS and blah, blah, blah, 34:13.540 --> 34:16.880 is being used to sort of deflect people's attention 34:16.880 --> 34:19.780 away from the fact that that is the case. 34:19.860 --> 34:22.880 We are dealing with a international child, 34:23.280 --> 34:27.660 rape, cannibal, torture, fucking psychopath cabal. 34:28.000 --> 34:29.640 And, you know, obviously, you know, 34:29.640 --> 34:31.140 would like to get your take on that, Dave, 34:31.220 --> 34:33.060 because like that seems like the bigger picture 34:33.060 --> 34:35.260 that they're purposefully obfuscating from. 34:35.900 --> 34:39.520 Totally, man, in fact, in most conversations about Epstein, 34:39.720 --> 34:41.860 very few people like talk about his background 34:41.860 --> 34:43.740 in money laundering and his connections 34:43.740 --> 34:46.140 to arms traffickers like Douglas Lee, 34:46.320 --> 34:49.140 Sanadnon Khashoggi, and Stanley Pottinger, 34:49.220 --> 34:50.960 something that a lot of Epstein researchers 34:50.960 --> 34:52.980 have taken note of, especially people like, 34:53.260 --> 34:54.460 you know, Whitney Webb and others 34:54.460 --> 34:56.220 that have looked at that side of Epstein, 34:56.320 --> 34:58.660 but a lot of it gets clouded out 34:58.660 --> 35:01.300 by, you know, the more salacious sexual stuff. 35:01.540 --> 35:03.920 And fair enough, that's a really important angle here. 35:03.920 --> 35:06.320 This was likely a blackmail operation 35:06.320 --> 35:08.920 on the part of Israeli intelligence 35:08.920 --> 35:12.480 to use leverage against U.S. prominent figures, 35:12.620 --> 35:13.880 you know, to gain information. 35:14.080 --> 35:16.480 And that's the perfect thing in many ways 35:16.480 --> 35:18.840 for what an intelligence agency would seek to do. 35:18.920 --> 35:22.200 But you're right, Don, there's two million documents 35:22.200 --> 35:24.180 that haven't been unclassified. 35:24.200 --> 35:27.160 Even the DOJs admitted that in one report, 35:27.220 --> 35:29.020 and the Washington Post has, you know, 35:29.060 --> 35:31.240 reported on that, that we haven't even seen. 35:31.400 --> 35:33.380 So, you know, despite all the stuff 35:33.380 --> 35:37.640 the conversations with Bannon, the Bill Gates STD thing, 35:38.000 --> 35:40.520 the DOJ stamped the document 35:40.520 --> 35:43.100 that said that Epstein died on August 9th. 35:43.180 --> 35:48.440 You had him ordering over 300 gallons of sulfuric acid 35:48.440 --> 35:51.360 the day the DOJ opened up a new investigation into him. 35:51.500 --> 35:54.220 All these things, all these things we think are interesting, 35:54.340 --> 35:56.040 just imagine what they're sitting on 35:56.040 --> 35:57.420 and what we don't have. 35:57.480 --> 35:59.280 And you're right to talk about Jean-Luc Brunel. 35:59.440 --> 36:02.360 He was also named in one of the FBI documents 36:02.360 --> 36:03.580 as a co-conspirator. 36:03.920 --> 36:05.700 He mysteriously died in France 36:05.700 --> 36:08.080 after the French authorities caught up to him. 36:08.220 --> 36:10.180 And still they said no co-collaborators, 36:10.520 --> 36:13.640 no co-conspirators in their original memo back in the summer. 36:13.880 --> 36:15.920 So, there's so many angles to this 36:15.920 --> 36:19.540 and how kind of the elites operate beyond, you know, 36:19.640 --> 36:21.340 what a regular person would think 36:21.340 --> 36:24.040 that I think is another revelation to come out of these things. 36:24.560 --> 36:27.320 When I was covering, because listeners might not know, 36:27.400 --> 36:29.660 I used to co-host for a show called The Rundown Live. 36:29.660 --> 36:32.700 And the founder of The Rundown Live, Christon T. Harris, 36:33.360 --> 36:35.980 was at the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell in New York 36:35.980 --> 36:39.700 and then I was helping cover it here from my home remotely. 36:40.520 --> 36:43.060 And our publication was pretty much the only one 36:43.060 --> 36:46.320 that was consistently covering that trial from start to finish. 36:46.780 --> 36:50.040 What we learned was that when the FBI raided 36:50.040 --> 36:52.060 Epstein's Manhattan townhouse, 36:52.260 --> 36:54.340 they seized some, I think, 36:55.180 --> 36:57.040 what, 20 terabytes, I believe? 36:57.040 --> 37:01.340 It was an ungodly amount of disk drives 37:01.340 --> 37:03.400 and CD-ROMs and all this sort of stuff 37:03.400 --> 37:07.340 that the FBI has essentially mentioned nothing about 37:07.340 --> 37:09.120 since then. Nothing. 37:09.860 --> 37:13.140 Yeah, and of course these are just what they want us to see 37:13.140 --> 37:14.820 and what they want us to know about, right? 37:14.940 --> 37:16.900 I mean, they wouldn't be presenting them 37:16.900 --> 37:18.800 and providing them to the public without that 37:18.800 --> 37:21.920 and of course the archive and, I mean, all this. 37:22.940 --> 37:24.460 This is the bigger picture thinking 37:24.460 --> 37:26.300 that we kind of have to be asking ourselves, 37:26.300 --> 37:27.820 you know, what these questions, 37:28.580 --> 37:30.260 kind of going back to the Bondi stuff 37:30.260 --> 37:32.300 to still feel like the American public 37:32.300 --> 37:36.260 are desperate just to grab Bondi by her big fat head 37:36.260 --> 37:37.900 and smack her across the face and be like, 37:37.960 --> 37:40.440 just take this seriously, please, like we need answers, 37:40.540 --> 37:42.140 you know, and it doesn't feel like 37:42.140 --> 37:44.280 no matter what we do or what we say 37:44.280 --> 37:46.740 that we're actually going to get those, unfortunately. 37:47.200 --> 37:50.440 And inside note, you know, when she called Massey 37:50.440 --> 37:52.520 a failed politician, I think our audience 37:52.520 --> 37:54.380 might be surprised to hear me say 37:54.380 --> 37:55.560 that I actually agree with her. 37:55.780 --> 37:58.480 I mean, according to, you know, the litmus 37:58.480 --> 38:00.180 that is the Trump administration, 38:00.580 --> 38:02.540 I mean, yeah, Massey's actually honest. 38:02.740 --> 38:04.100 Like, he's actually America first. 38:04.620 --> 38:06.540 He actually, you know, has the best interest 38:06.540 --> 38:08.060 of the American public in mind. 38:08.260 --> 38:09.840 So, yeah, he is a failed politician 38:10.240 --> 38:11.520 considering, you know, the other people 38:11.520 --> 38:13.160 that he surrounds himself with, unfortunately, 38:13.360 --> 38:14.620 in the swamps of D.C. 38:15.080 --> 38:16.900 So, you know, I think that should be stated 38:16.900 --> 38:19.520 and I know we kind of got into a little bit of, you know, 38:19.620 --> 38:22.440 that on your show and I feel like he's a hero. 38:22.440 --> 38:25.080 I feel like it's plain as day at this point 38:25.080 --> 38:26.780 that the fact that he is going to bat 38:26.780 --> 38:28.500 to try to get some transparency 38:28.500 --> 38:30.620 and accountability here, he is a hero. 38:31.500 --> 38:34.700 But what we talked about last night on your show 38:34.700 --> 38:36.860 was the two things that popped into my mind 38:36.860 --> 38:39.460 after the latest revelations and these emails. 38:39.860 --> 38:41.580 And that was, you know, why now? 38:41.860 --> 38:43.140 Why are they now being released? 38:43.400 --> 38:44.640 And then the what now? 38:44.880 --> 38:46.520 Like, what the hell do we do now? 38:46.640 --> 38:48.460 And I know you just a few minutes back 38:48.460 --> 38:50.800 when you were responding to Matt's question, Dave, 38:50.800 --> 38:52.820 you said, you know, I don't think the heads are going to roll. 38:53.440 --> 38:55.440 But I wanted to hear your thoughts 38:55.440 --> 38:57.780 because I think a lot of people are asking this question. 38:57.920 --> 38:58.780 Like, well, what do we do now? 38:59.180 --> 39:00.900 You know, we've seen enough in these documents 39:01.320 --> 39:03.400 to know that there were layers of protection, 39:04.620 --> 39:05.420 institutional failures. 39:06.380 --> 39:08.880 So, like the real question, you know, becomes, you know, 39:08.960 --> 39:11.240 like, does this meet the threshold 39:11.240 --> 39:14.000 of a national crisis of accountability? 39:15.380 --> 39:17.480 So, yeah, like where, what do you think, 39:17.680 --> 39:18.660 where do we go from here? 39:18.660 --> 39:21.500 Like, as a country, do we get any real accountability? 39:21.960 --> 39:23.660 Like, how do we even begin to apply pressure 39:23.660 --> 39:27.460 in a system that doesn't seem like it wants to change? 39:28.180 --> 39:31.080 Yeah, I just think the best thing that could come from this 39:31.080 --> 39:34.000 is disenchantment among people that still think 39:34.000 --> 39:37.300 like the federal government is reputable from the inside. 39:37.460 --> 39:40.980 Like, you can get your choice tribe to take power, 39:41.080 --> 39:43.340 to take the reins of power from within the state 39:43.340 --> 39:44.520 in the federal level 39:44.520 --> 39:47.120 and seek to turn it in a better direction. 39:47.120 --> 39:49.760 Like, you can't reform the FBI or the CIA. 39:50.260 --> 39:54.060 You can't steer the FBI or the CIA in a better direction. 39:54.160 --> 39:56.140 Even if you appoint a guy like Cash Patel 39:56.140 --> 39:58.600 who said, hey, I'm going to shut down the Hoover Building 39:58.600 --> 40:00.740 and build it into a museum to the deep state. 40:00.900 --> 40:04.120 It's just, you're not going to get that without, you know, 40:04.480 --> 40:07.100 literally abolishing these criminal institutions 40:07.100 --> 40:08.440 and shutting it down. 40:08.580 --> 40:10.660 But like you said, where do people go? 40:10.920 --> 40:12.740 Well, I think it's education campaigns 40:12.740 --> 40:15.820 has to precipitate any, like, movement away 40:15.820 --> 40:18.540 from this allure to federal politics 40:18.540 --> 40:20.860 and federal politicians, federal tribes 40:20.860 --> 40:22.480 that so many people have. 40:22.560 --> 40:24.540 But it's also, you know, nullification 40:24.540 --> 40:27.100 to use local level political power, 40:27.220 --> 40:28.360 if that's your sort of thing. 40:28.360 --> 40:29.820 It might not be for some aggress 40:29.820 --> 40:32.100 to do things like jury nullification 40:32.100 --> 40:34.080 and use state level legislation 40:34.080 --> 40:36.980 to push back against the imposition of power 40:36.980 --> 40:38.540 by the federal government. 40:38.680 --> 40:40.920 You can even have things like the 10th Amendment Center 40:40.920 --> 40:43.020 had years ago where you literally 40:43.020 --> 40:45.080 had state legislation on the floor 40:45.080 --> 40:46.980 in places like Maryland and Utah 40:46.980 --> 40:49.140 to cut off the water and electricity 40:49.440 --> 40:51.220 to say NSA facilities 40:51.220 --> 40:52.560 within those states. 40:52.820 --> 40:54.640 Like it's going to take massive 40:54.640 --> 40:57.160 Cajones that we haven't 40:57.160 --> 40:59.040 seen the likes of since maybe 40:59.040 --> 41:01.360 the Revolutionary War to do some of this stuff. 41:01.360 --> 41:02.920 But I think it all does start 41:02.920 --> 41:05.160 with education. It starts with organizations 41:05.160 --> 41:07.340 like yours to, you know, 41:07.440 --> 41:09.120 just show people the truth 41:09.120 --> 41:11.680 about how these people are not on your side. 41:11.920 --> 41:13.020 No matter what they say 41:13.020 --> 41:14.380 on the election cycle. 41:14.940 --> 41:17.140 And it has to be our volition 41:17.140 --> 41:19.100 that will drive us toward more liberty. 41:19.280 --> 41:21.060 It's not going to be, you know, changing 41:21.060 --> 41:23.280 Washington from the inside. That's for sure. 41:23.640 --> 41:23.960 Yeah. 41:24.600 --> 41:26.800 Oh, for sure, man. And we definitely have our work cut out 41:26.800 --> 41:28.400 for us, right? It's not... 41:28.400 --> 41:30.760 It can be a somewhat daunting task 41:30.760 --> 41:32.540 to try to show people the truth 41:32.540 --> 41:34.360 when they're so distracted by all the bullshit 41:34.360 --> 41:36.440 they see in the media every day. 41:36.440 --> 41:38.520 You know, like yesterday, for instance, 41:38.660 --> 41:40.640 I wrote a story about Nancy Guthrie 41:40.640 --> 41:42.260 which is a sad case. This is a 41:42.260 --> 41:44.260 84-year-old woman. It looks like she might have been kidnapped 41:44.260 --> 41:46.280 and taken hostage for a ransom or whatever. 41:46.960 --> 41:48.260 You know, but I mean, 41:48.360 --> 41:50.560 yes, that's a tragic case. 41:50.600 --> 41:52.880 Does it deserve the constant 24-hour 41:52.880 --> 41:54.480 news coverage that has been getting like on 41:54.480 --> 41:56.860 every single channel, FoxS, NBCNN, 41:56.860 --> 41:58.160 like everywhere? The top. 41:58.300 --> 42:00.340 I mean, it's everywhere. You can't turn 42:00.340 --> 42:01.660 on a TV without seeing it. 42:01.980 --> 42:04.340 And the point of my story yesterday was that 42:04.340 --> 42:06.580 why everybody's hyper-fixated on this, you know? 42:06.960 --> 42:08.080 There's roughly... 42:08.080 --> 42:10.200 Well, I know from the story that I looked up 42:10.200 --> 42:11.940 the statistics, roughly 42:11.940 --> 42:13.980 400 to 800,000 kids go missing 42:13.980 --> 42:15.960 in this country every year. 42:16.200 --> 42:17.780 It's about a kid every 48 seconds. 42:19.000 --> 42:20.560 And most of those are found 42:20.560 --> 42:22.420 pretty quickly, but there's still 90-something 42:22.420 --> 42:24.120 1,000 kids currently missing. 42:24.480 --> 42:26.680 And they get zero airtime, right? 42:27.120 --> 42:28.780 I mean, if the Epstein 42:28.780 --> 42:30.000 files have shown us anything, 42:30.340 --> 42:32.260 it's the state gives zero fucks 42:32.260 --> 42:34.280 about children. And so much so 42:34.280 --> 42:35.500 that they're willing to look the other way 42:35.500 --> 42:37.680 or actually run cover-ups for those 42:37.680 --> 42:40.040 the people that commit the crimes 42:40.040 --> 42:42.360 against them, you know? But that wasn't 42:42.360 --> 42:43.920 like the most chilling part about 42:43.920 --> 42:46.380 this distraction that they're pushing this Nancy Guthrie 42:46.380 --> 42:47.940 stuff. And when I was doing 42:47.940 --> 42:50.120 some reading, you know, the chilling 42:50.120 --> 42:52.340 part of this case was like the surveillance 42:52.340 --> 42:54.180 part. Like the, you know, 42:54.240 --> 42:56.620 for days as the investigation began, 42:56.820 --> 42:58.400 like the Pima County Sheriff's Department 42:58.400 --> 42:59.560 said that there was 42:59.560 --> 43:01.480 there was no video evidence 43:01.480 --> 43:03.600 because Guthrie's nest camera had 43:03.600 --> 43:05.440 been disconnected and she didn't have a subscription. 43:05.940 --> 43:07.580 Right? So this is just a passive 43:07.580 --> 43:09.500 camera plugged in. She doesn't have access 43:09.500 --> 43:11.560 to videos because that's what happens with these cameras 43:11.560 --> 43:13.680 if you don't pay for the subscription. They don't 43:13.680 --> 43:15.600 they allegedly don't record 43:15.600 --> 43:17.520 anything. But then suddenly 43:17.520 --> 43:19.660 Cash Patel, the little magic 43:19.660 --> 43:21.440 man, comes out and announces 43:21.440 --> 43:23.620 that there's footage that they 43:23.620 --> 43:25.320 somehow were able to get. 43:25.480 --> 43:27.320 It was called, they referred to it as 43:27.320 --> 43:28.480 back-end residual data. 43:29.440 --> 43:31.380 They meaning that these 43:31.380 --> 43:33.280 passive ring cameras that you're not even 43:33.280 --> 43:34.860 subscribing to or paying for 43:34.860 --> 43:37.360 are constantly recording and 43:37.360 --> 43:39.200 uploading to some 43:39.200 --> 43:40.960 database somewhere despite 43:40.960 --> 43:43.220 your privacy settings or anything 43:43.220 --> 43:45.480 like that. This is, it's a crazy 43:45.480 --> 43:47.060 admission. And 43:47.060 --> 43:49.460 what's crazy here is that 43:49.460 --> 43:51.020 this is building up surveillance 43:51.020 --> 43:53.500 state, you know, like they had like a 30-second Super Bowl 43:53.500 --> 43:54.440 ad that I saw 43:54.440 --> 43:56.760 during the Super Bowl. Not during the Super Bowl. 43:56.940 --> 43:58.260 But it was basically like an admission 43:58.260 --> 43:59.820 by Amazon that 44:00.420 --> 44:02.140 they're spying on you and 44:02.140 --> 44:04.340 it's to find lost puppies, you know. 44:05.360 --> 44:06.380 But it's crazy 44:06.380 --> 44:08.020 we're building this active surveillance state 44:08.020 --> 44:09.980 putting tens of millions of cameras everywhere 44:09.980 --> 44:12.240 for these people and now Amazon and Ring 44:12.240 --> 44:13.600 integrate with Flock. 44:14.340 --> 44:16.480 And all this data, if you don't opt 44:16.480 --> 44:18.160 out, goes directly with Flock 44:18.160 --> 44:20.100 and law enforcement and they have 100% 44:20.100 --> 44:22.200 access to it. And you're 44:22.200 --> 44:24.480 opted in by default. And they said 44:24.480 --> 44:25.800 like I read somewhere that the 44:25.800 --> 44:28.460 average opt out of this is about 5%. 44:28.460 --> 44:30.020 So there's roughly 10 million people 44:30.020 --> 44:32.120 with Ring cameras on 44:32.120 --> 44:34.040 their houses. So 5% of that mostly. 44:34.320 --> 44:35.800 So there's 90 million or 9 44:35.800 --> 44:37.900 9 million people with Ring cameras, 44:38.040 --> 44:40.380 you know, all over their houses, all spying 44:40.380 --> 44:42.240 on them, all being financed 44:42.240 --> 44:44.060 by them, paying a 44:44.060 --> 44:46.200 monthly subscription, you 44:46.200 --> 44:48.200 know, by them to build this police 44:48.200 --> 44:50.340 surveillance state. I think it's 44:50.340 --> 44:52.020 fucking crazy. And that's what I got out of 44:52.020 --> 44:53.540 Nancy Guthrie story. 44:54.160 --> 44:56.240 But man, so how do we even begin to 44:56.240 --> 44:58.080 talk about like sovereignty or the Fourth Amendment 44:58.080 --> 45:00.320 when like the population 45:00.320 --> 45:02.300 is voluntarily financing 45:02.300 --> 45:04.220 and installing the very 45:04.220 --> 45:06.400 tools that the FBI is now proving 45:06.400 --> 45:08.240 that privacy is a total myth with 45:08.240 --> 45:10.240 you know, does the state even need to pass 45:10.240 --> 45:12.140 new surveillance laws when like we're 45:12.140 --> 45:13.920 building the prison for them? 45:14.340 --> 45:16.340 Yeah. Oh yeah, man, it's 45:16.340 --> 45:18.200 horrifying. We me and Jason talked 45:18.200 --> 45:20.120 about this too. It's the collation 45:20.120 --> 45:21.680 of all the data and using 45:22.200 --> 45:24.240 AI to sort through it like Palantir 45:24.240 --> 45:25.680 does with the help of the CIA 45:25.680 --> 45:27.460 to create insights and 45:28.000 --> 45:30.300 unveil these insane like you cannot 45:30.300 --> 45:31.960 believe dystopian schemes 45:31.960 --> 45:34.020 like I think what's the hardest 45:34.020 --> 45:36.300 thing is that the propaganda has worked 45:36.300 --> 45:38.060 on a lot of people to say like, 45:38.200 --> 45:40.260 Hey, this is a private company. I can 45:40.260 --> 45:42.300 give my data to them. I'll feel safe 45:42.300 --> 45:44.220 with it. But that's not really the story 45:44.220 --> 45:46.020 at all. We know that this is deeply 45:46.020 --> 45:48.100 entrenched in the deep state through 45:48.100 --> 45:49.880 a collusion scheme between 45:49.880 --> 45:52.000 these big firms and government in 45:52.000 --> 45:53.920 which the government gives them subsidies 45:53.920 --> 45:55.920 and stuff to encourage this kind of data 45:55.920 --> 45:58.020 sharing. And it's just, you know, it's a 45:58.020 --> 46:00.120 complete paper shredder to the Fourth 46:00.120 --> 46:01.960 Amendment. People need to be made aware 46:01.960 --> 46:03.840 of it. And I think again, education 46:03.840 --> 46:06.020 is the first key. But you're right. So many 46:06.020 --> 46:07.940 people are complicit of 46:07.940 --> 46:10.120 building their own police state around 46:10.120 --> 46:11.780 them. And I wish we got back to 46:11.780 --> 46:13.760 you know, some of the best parts of 46:13.760 --> 46:15.560 you know, James Otis and 46:16.100 --> 46:18.160 Bosted in 1763 where 46:18.160 --> 46:20.020 he said, you can't even have general 46:20.020 --> 46:21.500 rits of assistance, meaning 46:21.500 --> 46:23.800 that your thugs can't even come to our 46:23.800 --> 46:25.640 properties with an unitomized 46:25.640 --> 46:27.660 list of things that you want to search 46:27.660 --> 46:29.640 and search them. That's, that's immoral. 46:29.820 --> 46:31.460 That's egregious. That kick started 46:31.460 --> 46:33.400 in some ways the American Revolution, 46:33.400 --> 46:35.780 but we don't really have that fighting spirit 46:35.780 --> 46:37.740 anymore. I'm not sure that I, I hold 46:37.740 --> 46:39.820 the solution to that, that quandary. 46:40.280 --> 46:41.740 Yeah, unfortunately, it's a difficult 46:41.740 --> 46:42.260 one, man. 46:43.640 --> 46:45.540 And what Matt was talking about was 46:45.540 --> 46:47.700 the ring as new feature 46:47.700 --> 46:49.500 called search party. Yeah. 46:49.820 --> 46:51.660 Luckily, from 46:51.660 --> 46:53.620 what I could see, there was a lot of pushback 46:53.620 --> 46:55.920 both within the independent media 46:55.920 --> 46:58.000 and on Twitter, social media platforms. 46:58.900 --> 46:59.720 But I mean, yeah, this 46:59.720 --> 47:01.540 absolutely what Matt was saying is 47:01.540 --> 47:03.540 completely correct expands the neighborhood 47:03.540 --> 47:05.560 surveillance. I mean, basically everybody's camera 47:05.560 --> 47:08.020 just participates in this whole monitoring 47:08.020 --> 47:09.880 grid. And of course, you know, 47:09.880 --> 47:11.700 law enforcement can't actually request 47:11.700 --> 47:13.820 and access that footage without any type of 47:13.820 --> 47:15.680 oversight. And it's just 47:15.680 --> 47:18.020 tracking your routine. It's cataloging 47:18.020 --> 47:19.900 any friends or family that come over. 47:20.100 --> 47:21.820 And this is after just 47:21.820 --> 47:24.140 a couple months after ring actually announced 47:24.140 --> 47:25.900 that they were going to start using facial 47:25.900 --> 47:27.860 recognition as well. 47:28.100 --> 47:29.580 So that, you know, post office, 47:29.860 --> 47:32.000 the postman happens to have one of your packages. 47:32.460 --> 47:33.920 They could just automatically 47:33.920 --> 47:35.860 be let into your house so they could drop off 47:35.860 --> 47:37.880 the package. I mean, of course, that's the convenience 47:38.580 --> 47:39.860 narrative that they always try to 47:39.860 --> 47:41.720 sell us. But I mean, this is all 47:41.720 --> 47:43.980 stuff that as Matt was implying 47:43.980 --> 47:45.860 this is data that could be sold 47:45.860 --> 47:47.740 that shared and stored forever. 47:48.360 --> 47:49.780 And, you know, it really 47:49.780 --> 47:51.720 does create this kind of chilling effect 47:51.720 --> 47:53.800 if people are going to feel like they're 47:53.800 --> 47:55.900 constantly monitored. I mean, how is that 47:55.900 --> 47:57.860 going to impact the freedom of movement? And it's 47:57.860 --> 47:59.760 already bad enough that these flock cameras, there's 47:59.760 --> 48:01.900 over 100,000 of them across the country, 48:01.980 --> 48:03.760 you know, so yeah, it 48:03.760 --> 48:05.720 this does all feel very dystopian 48:05.720 --> 48:07.620 and, you know, you 48:07.620 --> 48:09.700 we're talking about dystopian schemes there just 48:09.700 --> 48:11.620 a second ago and I kind of wanted to touch 48:11.620 --> 48:13.820 on the Peter Thiel 48:13.820 --> 48:15.620 Epstein connection because we were just talking 48:15.620 --> 48:17.680 about Palantir and this is all kind of goes hand in 48:17.680 --> 48:19.620 hand. But, you know, harkening 48:19.620 --> 48:21.580 back to the emails that were just released 48:21.580 --> 48:23.580 when you look at the email 48:23.580 --> 48:25.620 where Epstein tells Peter Thiel that 48:25.620 --> 48:27.100 Brexit is just the beginning 48:27.620 --> 48:28.960 and he makes this 48:29.520 --> 48:31.740 suggestion about how there he wants 48:31.740 --> 48:33.200 a return to tribalism 48:33.200 --> 48:35.080 and new alliances 48:35.080 --> 48:37.280 and he likes to spot things that are 48:37.280 --> 48:38.680 on the verge of collapse. I mean 48:39.200 --> 48:41.300 I tweeted about this but it does feel like kind of 48:41.300 --> 48:43.100 a rare window into how 48:43.100 --> 48:44.720 these, you know, so-called 48:44.720 --> 48:46.820 elites think about social engineering 48:46.820 --> 48:48.580 and, you know, these long-term 48:48.980 --> 48:50.380 shifts. So 48:50.860 --> 48:53.120 obviously this kind of is a win for 48:53.120 --> 48:55.200 the conspiracy theorists who have been saying this all 48:55.200 --> 48:56.480 along, you know, that like 48:57.000 --> 48:59.160 these world events are orchestrated behind 48:59.160 --> 49:00.620 the scenes where they can be anyway. 49:00.620 --> 49:02.640 I don't want to be blinded too much by 49:02.640 --> 49:03.880 our own bias here obviously 49:03.880 --> 49:06.380 and reading too much into it but it does seem 49:06.380 --> 49:08.060 pretty revealing, right? So 49:08.620 --> 49:10.760 from the bigger picture perspective, like how 49:10.760 --> 49:11.560 do we interpret 49:12.060 --> 49:14.360 this type of dialogue between these two? Like 49:14.360 --> 49:15.880 how does it really kind of share 49:16.560 --> 49:18.260 how powerful actors are 49:18.260 --> 49:20.660 anticipating and even shaping our world 49:20.660 --> 49:21.600 and these, you know, major 49:22.860 --> 49:24.480 social changes and world 49:24.480 --> 49:26.500 events? Yeah, well 49:26.500 --> 49:28.460 it shows that it's not based on like 49:28.460 --> 49:30.640 market competition. That's for sure. 49:30.760 --> 49:32.580 It's based on these collusion schemes 49:32.580 --> 49:34.800 between big people in prominent 49:34.800 --> 49:36.640 places in power. You had Epstein, 49:37.220 --> 49:38.680 you know, giving you Houd Barak 49:38.680 --> 49:40.520 investment advice. Say you should look 49:40.520 --> 49:42.500 into Palantir and invested them 49:42.500 --> 49:44.460 and with the Peter Teal connection 49:44.460 --> 49:45.980 we have, you can see this on 49:45.980 --> 49:48.140 jmail.world if your audience 49:48.140 --> 49:50.420 isn't aware. That allows you to kind of 49:50.420 --> 49:52.440 log in as if you were Jeffrey Epstein 49:52.440 --> 49:53.820 into his Gmail account 49:54.260 --> 49:55.920 and see all the emails. There were 49:57.180 --> 49:58.700 299 emails between 49:58.700 --> 50:00.420 Epstein and Teal 50:00.420 --> 50:01.960 and Teal did not describe 50:01.960 --> 50:03.600 his relationship in this way. 50:04.080 --> 50:05.780 When he went on Joe Rogan he essentially 50:05.780 --> 50:07.900 said, well, I did know him, but it 50:07.900 --> 50:09.560 wasn't that close of an association 50:09.560 --> 50:12.020 and you just see email after email 50:12.020 --> 50:13.760 about when they were going to talk 50:13.760 --> 50:15.820 and meet up. I haven't dove into 50:15.820 --> 50:17.980 what you referenced regarding like the new order 50:17.980 --> 50:19.840 of things, but this really does 50:19.840 --> 50:21.920 show that there is a nexus point 50:21.920 --> 50:24.220 in which big political maneuvers, 50:24.220 --> 50:26.540 big business deals are orchestrated 50:26.540 --> 50:28.400 above like market actors, 50:28.520 --> 50:29.820 you and me going to the store 50:29.820 --> 50:32.400 or above, you know, trade exchanges. 50:32.800 --> 50:34.460 It's literally people that are 50:34.460 --> 50:35.920 entrenched in power collaborating 50:35.920 --> 50:38.420 with people that are entrenched in power 50:38.420 --> 50:40.400 in the business world and them operating 50:40.400 --> 50:42.540 much to our detriment in some 50:42.540 --> 50:44.120 ways, especially in regard to, 50:44.140 --> 50:46.260 you know, Palantir is the perfect example. 50:46.440 --> 50:48.180 There's no organic market. Like, 50:48.340 --> 50:50.200 yeah, I want a mass surveillance state 50:50.200 --> 50:52.220 so that the government has everything 50:52.220 --> 50:54.340 that I've ever said, everything that I've ever done. 50:54.680 --> 50:56.420 So that's what we glean, not only 50:56.420 --> 50:58.280 from the Peter Teal exchange, but also 50:58.280 --> 51:00.300 exchanges with other people, you know, 51:00.460 --> 51:02.280 David Rockefeller and Tom 51:02.280 --> 51:04.120 Pritzker and, you know, 51:04.620 --> 51:06.460 Deepak Chopra, all these 51:06.460 --> 51:08.300 others of prominence that Epstein 51:08.300 --> 51:09.360 corresponded with. 51:09.940 --> 51:12.180 Well said, my friend. And yeah, you're right. 51:12.280 --> 51:14.000 Before this latest drop, the, you know, 51:14.060 --> 51:16.200 feel Epstein connection was murky at 51:16.200 --> 51:17.780 best. I think there was like maybe 51:17.780 --> 51:20.040 one or two pieces of evidence saying 51:20.040 --> 51:22.180 that they got together for like a quick lunch 51:22.180 --> 51:24.100 or something before this. But yeah, you're right. 51:24.200 --> 51:26.180 I mean, this really kind of opens up a can 51:26.180 --> 51:28.160 of worms. They were talking about 51:28.740 --> 51:30.020 well, Epstein was trying 51:30.020 --> 51:31.980 to introduce Teal to like banks with 51:31.980 --> 51:33.900 billion dollar funding for his tech 51:33.900 --> 51:36.020 ventures and projects. And they even 51:36.020 --> 51:38.060 discussed Bitcoin at one point and what 51:38.060 --> 51:39.880 it was, which I thought was kind of interesting 51:39.880 --> 51:41.980 and yeah, it just shows that 51:41.980 --> 51:43.860 Teal was actively kind of 51:43.860 --> 51:45.980 cultivating Epstein as a business partner 51:45.980 --> 51:47.620 so far from what he was explaining. 51:47.620 --> 51:50.260 And as to what you were saying there 51:50.260 --> 51:51.060 as far as just 51:51.620 --> 51:53.380 one single entity 51:53.380 --> 51:55.620 really controlling all this stuff. 51:55.800 --> 51:57.600 I mean, I think I made a tweet about this, but yeah, 51:57.700 --> 51:59.860 like the military intelligence 51:59.860 --> 52:01.620 and national security systems, 52:01.820 --> 52:03.460 criminal databases, I mean 52:03.460 --> 52:05.880 ICE operational planning, VA records, 52:06.200 --> 52:07.160 health data reports, 52:07.760 --> 52:09.700 IRS probes. I mean, there's 52:09.700 --> 52:11.700 so much that falls under the banner 52:11.700 --> 52:13.520 of Palantir. And 52:13.520 --> 52:15.440 if you take a step back and think about 52:15.440 --> 52:17.400 okay, all this data is 52:17.400 --> 52:19.320 owned by somebody, not only 52:19.320 --> 52:20.940 owned, but controlled by somebody who is 52:21.360 --> 52:23.080 Jeffrey Epstein's friend and business 52:23.080 --> 52:25.240 partner. I mean, it kind of puts a different slant 52:25.240 --> 52:27.480 on it. And it seems quite ominous 52:27.480 --> 52:29.560 when you look at it from that perspective. 52:29.760 --> 52:30.360 You know, so 52:30.900 --> 52:33.200 I guess I have one last question before we get 52:33.200 --> 52:35.260 to the white pill here and 52:35.260 --> 52:36.940 it's something that we touched on 52:37.440 --> 52:39.180 during your show as well. I know there's a lot 52:39.180 --> 52:41.300 of overlap, but I did a lot of talking and 52:41.300 --> 52:43.320 now it's your turn and I'm so glad to have you 52:43.320 --> 52:45.240 on. But we touched on this briefly 52:45.240 --> 52:47.340 about how, you know, these 52:47.340 --> 52:49.400 conversations between like Epstein and 52:49.400 --> 52:51.220 Thiel, it feels like a glimpse 52:51.220 --> 52:53.200 into a larger power structure 52:53.200 --> 52:54.480 and one that 52:55.240 --> 52:57.260 is promoting technocratic systems 52:57.260 --> 52:59.180 and social engineering and these long-term 52:59.180 --> 53:01.300 shifts and how the U.S. government might 53:01.300 --> 53:03.260 operate. And if 53:03.260 --> 53:05.240 you consider how close Thiel is to Trump, 53:05.780 --> 53:07.400 obviously, you know, it's not 53:07.400 --> 53:09.360 hard to connect the dots and see 53:09.360 --> 53:11.360 how, you know, we're watching this 53:11.360 --> 53:13.440 transition from different elite 53:13.440 --> 53:15.400 factions, which was kind of the older 53:15.400 --> 53:17.720 regime, more of like the analog 53:17.720 --> 53:19.940 power networks kind of giving way 53:19.940 --> 53:21.800 now to a newer data-driven 53:21.800 --> 53:23.100 surveillance-oriented 53:23.100 --> 53:24.740 model. So 53:25.500 --> 53:27.500 do you feel like there is some 53:27.500 --> 53:29.560 type of controlled demolition of the old order 53:29.560 --> 53:31.340 going on and like do we 53:31.340 --> 53:33.540 see, are you seeing this as well, like a 53:33.540 --> 53:35.440 handoff between competing power centers 53:36.100 --> 53:37.540 and like this whole 53:37.540 --> 53:39.140 new branch of technocrats? 53:40.020 --> 53:41.900 I would, I don't know if 53:41.900 --> 53:43.860 I've seen it as a handoff, but you're 53:43.860 --> 53:45.400 right, like the technocrats are 53:45.400 --> 53:47.260 front and center, like entrenched 53:47.260 --> 53:49.380 near to the top of the power 53:49.380 --> 53:51.440 structure, especially in regard to people 53:51.440 --> 53:53.460 like Thiel, the PayPal mafia, 53:53.760 --> 53:55.440 you have Lucky Palmer and all these 53:55.440 --> 53:57.200 people, by the way, seem to be behind 53:57.200 --> 53:58.980 a J.D. Vance presidency, 53:59.380 --> 54:01.140 Elon Musk too, and Allison. 54:01.820 --> 54:03.960 Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, you see 54:03.960 --> 54:05.720 that Larry Ellison just buying out 54:05.720 --> 54:07.480 TikTok and a lot of people made a big 54:07.480 --> 54:09.040 stink about, you know, the 54:09.040 --> 54:10.960 Ellisons buying, you know, Paramount and 54:10.960 --> 54:13.100 CBS News, and that's tangible. 54:13.340 --> 54:14.900 There's something to that, but buying off 54:15.340 --> 54:17.100 TikTok, one of the biggest social media 54:17.100 --> 54:18.980 platforms, and now, you know, 54:19.160 --> 54:21.080 I know from a lot of my viewers, 54:21.280 --> 54:23.360 people are getting banned for raising 54:23.360 --> 54:25.200 marginal critiques of Israel 54:25.200 --> 54:27.360 and displaying like Gaza footage, for instance 54:27.360 --> 54:29.080 now, of course, like that's 54:29.080 --> 54:30.900 significant, and you do seem 54:31.380 --> 54:33.100 like a new order come to be, 54:33.180 --> 54:35.260 a lot of it is going to be on the 54:35.260 --> 54:37.180 backs of AI. I haven't really 54:37.180 --> 54:39.400 seen a shift in terms 54:39.400 --> 54:41.500 of like the power structure in general. 54:41.720 --> 54:43.280 It's just the types of people 54:43.280 --> 54:45.280 who get into that sphere of 54:45.280 --> 54:47.160 influence and they're all surrounding Trump 54:47.160 --> 54:49.220 and I think, especially Vance, 54:49.380 --> 54:51.100 but it could backfire with 54:51.100 --> 54:53.200 the Epstein scandal and inflation and 54:53.200 --> 54:55.060 stuff like that. The Democrats 54:55.060 --> 54:56.880 that come into power, I'm not speaking 54:56.880 --> 54:58.800 glowingly to them, but I think that 54:58.800 --> 55:01.040 they're generally more averse to 55:01.040 --> 55:03.040 like the Peter Thiel's and things like that 55:03.040 --> 55:05.240 because they've hitched their wagon to Trump, 55:05.360 --> 55:07.180 so to speak, and some of them still live 55:07.180 --> 55:09.020 in that tribal world. They'll 55:09.020 --> 55:10.880 still always be privileges, you know, 55:11.220 --> 55:13.080 subsidies for these firms and such, 55:13.080 --> 55:15.020 but I don't know how long 55:15.020 --> 55:16.980 they can keep this going under a facade 55:16.980 --> 55:18.960 where so many of them were connected 55:18.960 --> 55:21.180 to Epstein, so I haven't really seen 55:21.180 --> 55:23.040 a general shift in terms of 55:23.040 --> 55:25.060 like the power structure. It's just 55:25.060 --> 55:27.200 the people that come within the vicinity 55:27.200 --> 55:28.620 of it, if that makes any sense. 55:29.680 --> 55:31.100 Yeah, man, for sure. 55:32.160 --> 55:33.360 Man, Dave, sorry 55:33.360 --> 55:35.140 we're out of time. I'm kind of sorry 55:35.140 --> 55:37.240 that we're out of time here. I'm kind of apologizing 55:37.240 --> 55:39.180 to myself here, but we do have 55:39.180 --> 55:40.480 one more bit 55:41.120 --> 55:43.120 left for the white pill question, 55:43.320 --> 55:44.520 but before we get to that, dude, 55:45.180 --> 55:47.160 I want to, you know, thank you for on behalf 55:47.160 --> 55:48.920 of the Freethought Project for coming on 55:48.920 --> 55:50.420 and sharing your perspective today, dude. 55:51.160 --> 55:53.140 You're like a walking encyclopedia, man. 55:53.280 --> 55:55.120 There's only a handful of guests that are like you 55:55.120 --> 55:56.900 that can do that, and I know that Gavin 55:56.900 --> 55:59.420 Nasiamento is one of them, but it's pretty amazing 55:59.420 --> 56:01.000 and always refreshing to 56:01.000 --> 56:03.400 talk to somebody like this, man. It's great. 56:03.840 --> 56:05.660 Like, seriously, not many people can connect 56:05.660 --> 56:07.280 the dots between 18th century 56:07.280 --> 56:09.080 constitutional theory that you cited earlier 56:09.080 --> 56:10.920 in fucking the modern surveillance state, right? 56:12.980 --> 56:14.600 But, you know, even beyond the knowledge, 56:14.660 --> 56:16.620 I also wanted to say that it's important 56:16.620 --> 56:18.100 like what you're doing to 56:18.100 --> 56:19.560 like staying principled, you know. 56:19.740 --> 56:21.260 We've seen a lot of people this 56:21.260 --> 56:23.300 past couple of months, you know, 56:23.340 --> 56:25.500 with these ice killings showing their true colors 56:25.500 --> 56:27.300 and like Tim Pool, 56:27.300 --> 56:28.560 I am the boot. 56:28.780 --> 56:31.500 Oh, my God. 56:31.680 --> 56:33.280 I know I missed out on the best meme 56:33.280 --> 56:35.240 idea. I just thought about it. 56:35.260 --> 56:37.100 I was going to make like Baby Groot, you know, 56:37.160 --> 56:38.580 and put a little beanie on it 56:38.580 --> 56:41.600 and kind of make, put Tim Pool's 56:41.600 --> 56:43.520 face on it and be like, I am boot. 56:44.600 --> 56:45.460 I love that. 56:46.660 --> 56:48.240 I didn't make it in time 56:48.240 --> 56:49.360 and it's the time has passed 56:49.360 --> 56:51.020 with that, but anyway, man, 56:51.120 --> 56:52.400 thank you for that as well, dude. 56:52.540 --> 56:54.600 So, you know, we've covered some pretty 56:54.600 --> 56:55.820 heavy ground today. 56:56.120 --> 56:58.500 It's rough when you talk about satanic pedophiles 56:58.500 --> 57:00.660 who run the world and, you know, 57:00.720 --> 57:02.560 and they're all Russian, right? 57:03.180 --> 57:04.180 Of course. 57:04.640 --> 57:06.040 I appreciate the praise, man. 57:06.160 --> 57:08.120 I have the same like 57:08.120 --> 57:10.680 admiration for you guys and your organization 57:10.680 --> 57:12.660 always staying principled regardless 57:12.660 --> 57:14.620 of like the changing, you know, 57:14.640 --> 57:15.980 propaganda out there. 57:16.300 --> 57:17.900 You should be part of this tribe or else. 57:18.340 --> 57:20.560 I really appreciate you guys and what you do too 57:20.560 --> 57:21.920 and I really appreciate the compliment. 57:22.620 --> 57:23.680 That's awesome, man. 57:23.800 --> 57:25.860 Yeah, it's like 57:25.860 --> 57:27.720 they're culling the herd, 57:27.960 --> 57:29.100 if you will, you know. 57:29.480 --> 57:31.420 We're dropping like flies out there, man. 57:31.720 --> 57:33.180 I appreciate that a lot. 57:33.740 --> 57:36.120 So, like for the person who listens to this podcast 57:36.120 --> 57:37.740 and may feel a little overwhelmed about 57:37.740 --> 57:39.300 what we discussed today, 57:39.860 --> 57:41.200 like the surveillance state, 57:41.360 --> 57:43.460 the lack of justice for victims and 57:43.460 --> 57:45.920 all this other shit, you know, 57:46.040 --> 57:47.680 you cited 18th century 57:47.680 --> 57:48.780 constitutional theory earlier. 57:48.780 --> 57:51.060 Let's give them like optimistic, 57:51.060 --> 57:53.000 historical or constitutional 57:53.000 --> 57:54.720 path forward to 57:54.720 --> 57:56.740 for us to reclaim our autonomy 57:56.740 --> 57:58.780 and like build a society that 57:58.780 --> 58:00.440 doesn't rely on these 58:00.440 --> 58:02.940 satanic pedophile cults. 58:03.140 --> 58:04.620 Well, yeah, here's my pitch 58:04.620 --> 58:07.000 for being white-pilled and it's four pronged 58:07.320 --> 58:09.400 and me and Jason did talk about this a little bit. 58:09.540 --> 58:10.680 It's that right now, 58:10.840 --> 58:12.420 like institutional faith 58:12.420 --> 58:14.840 from the American people to the 58:14.840 --> 58:17.000 institutions and like deep state organizations 58:17.000 --> 58:19.040 is at a historic low. 58:19.220 --> 58:20.980 Like they're just not buying a lot 58:20.980 --> 58:22.980 of this absurd propaganda anymore. 58:23.400 --> 58:24.720 That's Dean scandal is part of it, 58:24.740 --> 58:26.540 but it's also part of other things 58:26.540 --> 58:28.260 that they were lied to, particularly 58:28.260 --> 58:30.020 about the COVID regime, etc. 58:30.180 --> 58:32.460 That's one thing. Number two is that 58:32.460 --> 58:34.660 home school rates and private school 58:34.660 --> 58:36.660 rates are through the roof historically. 58:36.920 --> 58:38.720 I think it's just about the highest 58:38.720 --> 58:40.760 point in American history in terms of 58:40.760 --> 58:43.240 you know, percentage of the American populace 58:43.240 --> 58:45.040 that is involved in that kind of schooling. 58:45.040 --> 58:46.700 That's good. Get them out of the 58:46.700 --> 58:48.620 government schools. Number three, 58:49.060 --> 58:50.580 Americans are armed to the teeth 58:50.580 --> 58:52.780 beyond any other time in American history 58:52.780 --> 58:54.500 per capita. Two with, I think, 58:54.540 --> 58:56.680 something like 400 million firearms. 58:57.100 --> 58:58.780 That's good too. Now, you can make the 58:58.780 --> 59:00.640 argument that that amount of firearms 59:00.640 --> 59:02.560 hasn't exactly subdued tyranny, 59:02.560 --> 59:04.620 but it is a hedge if it ever comes 59:04.620 --> 59:06.480 to that point in terms of self-defense. 59:06.680 --> 59:08.420 I think that's a good thing. And here's 59:08.420 --> 59:09.920 the most important thing to me 59:09.920 --> 59:12.160 in my four pronged white-pill 59:12.160 --> 59:14.220 pitch here is that we have this new 59:14.220 --> 59:16.220 independent media guys, where Jason, 59:16.500 --> 59:18.300 Matt, Don, you guys and me 59:18.300 --> 59:20.300 we've never been able to get our voices 59:20.300 --> 59:22.240 out like we are now, that it isn't 59:22.240 --> 59:23.860 filtered through like three big 59:23.860 --> 59:26.520 media networks like ABC and CNN 59:26.520 --> 59:28.160 and NBC. Like 59:28.160 --> 59:30.240 we have a new platform now. Some of 59:30.240 --> 59:32.140 it is going to be co-opted and dominated 59:32.140 --> 59:34.040 by corporate and governmental 59:34.040 --> 59:35.900 interests. They reassigned Dan 59:35.900 --> 59:37.260 Bongino back to the 59:37.940 --> 59:39.680 podosphere, you know, so 59:39.680 --> 59:41.820 we know that. But we do have this 59:41.820 --> 59:43.560 outlet and it's just such a blessing 59:43.560 --> 59:45.740 to see, you know, people like that 59:45.740 --> 59:47.620 really get like into the 59:47.620 --> 59:49.740 zeitgeist of this conversation. Guys like 59:49.740 --> 59:51.680 Dave Smith and Judge Napolitano 59:52.300 --> 59:53.760 and, you know, Ron Paul was 59:53.760 --> 59:55.680 just on Tucker Carlson. Like this is 59:56.160 --> 59:57.860 insane, man. Like this could not 59:57.860 --> 59:59.620 have happened in any other timeline. 59:59.780 --> 01:00:01.840 So there's my pitch. I love 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:03.580 that four pronged approach to Liberty 01:00:03.580 --> 01:00:05.260 Brother. That's great, man. 01:00:05.560 --> 01:00:07.420 Yeah, it's not political. It's like cultural 01:00:07.420 --> 01:00:09.360 movements that are in our favor, right? 01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:10.940 Exactly. Yes. 01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:13.420 Yeah, there's no politics is going to get us out 01:00:13.420 --> 01:00:15.200 of this. This is what's got us into this, you know. 01:00:15.740 --> 01:00:17.360 If you think that politics is going to get 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:19.280 you out of it, you need to go read Rothbard. 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:21.520 Amen. I 01:00:21.520 --> 01:00:22.300 love Rothbard. 01:00:23.560 --> 01:00:25.600 Hey, free thinkers. This is Matt Agarist 01:00:25.600 --> 01:00:27.300 and I'm going to take a quick pause to remind 01:00:27.300 --> 01:00:29.320 you of something really important. First 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:31.480 off, apologies for the interruption, but 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.220 if you're still here, that means you're 01:00:33.220 --> 01:00:35.260 resonating with what we're doing and we 01:00:35.260 --> 01:00:36.580 need your help to keep it alive. 01:00:37.300 --> 01:00:39.340 Independent platforms like ours don't survive 01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:41.060 on corporate sponsorships or 01:00:41.060 --> 01:00:43.180 mainstream media funding. We survive 01:00:43.180 --> 01:00:45.840 because of you. 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Just head over 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:19.500 to the freethoughtproject.com 01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:21.600 and click on the TFTP membership 01:01:21.600 --> 01:01:23.420 link at the top of the page. 01:01:23.900 --> 01:01:25.900 As a member, you'll be directly supporting 01:01:25.900 --> 01:01:27.940 our mission and helping us to stay independent. 01:01:28.680 --> 01:01:29.960 Your support is what keeps this 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:31.440 platform alive and fighting. 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.100 So, thank you for being part of this journey 01:01:34.100 --> 01:01:35.620 for sharing these ideas 01:01:35.620 --> 01:01:37.140 and for standing with us. 01:01:38.040 --> 01:01:40.020 Dude, Dave, thank you so much for coming 01:01:40.020 --> 01:01:41.940 on, brother. It was a pleasure, man. Before 01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:43.620 we get out of here, would you like to tell everybody 01:01:43.620 --> 01:01:45.760 where they can find and follow 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:47.520 and support your work? Yeah, absolutely. 01:01:47.780 --> 01:01:49.520 Thanks again, gents. So, on Twitter, I'm 01:01:49.520 --> 01:01:51.380 at Dbenner83. We'd love 01:01:51.380 --> 01:01:53.340 for you to follow me there. 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:55.560 Get my hot taste, so to speak, 01:01:55.680 --> 01:01:57.820 but Liberty Vault is my primary venture. 01:01:57.820 --> 01:01:59.840 That's Liberty Vault on 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:01.660 YouTube. If you just search for that, you can 01:02:01.660 --> 01:02:03.700 find it. I do a lot of reaction 01:02:03.700 --> 01:02:05.520 content to especially dissonant 01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:07.420 thought on both the left and the right. 01:02:07.600 --> 01:02:09.620 I cover a lot of takes from 01:02:09.620 --> 01:02:11.600 like, you know, Max Blumenthal 01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:13.320 to Nick Fuentes sometimes 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.300 to Dave Smith to like 01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:17.840 Aaron Maté and everyone in between 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.280 and kind of give my insights. 01:02:19.640 --> 01:02:21.420 But that's the channel that they can follow 01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:23.540 to get up to speed. I also really 01:02:23.540 --> 01:02:25.480 recommend supporting your organization, 01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:27.640 the 10th Amendment Center and the Mises 01:02:27.640 --> 01:02:29.660 Institute and the Libertarian 01:02:30.080 --> 01:02:31.660 Institute that Scott Horn runs. 01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:33.300 Those are the four that I really recommend. 01:02:33.980 --> 01:02:35.480 Hell, yeah. We're dealing a lot of 01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:36.660 four prongs out here, fellas. 01:02:37.980 --> 01:02:39.420 I'm loving it. There's four of us 01:02:39.420 --> 01:02:41.160 on the talk, gats. That's a four-prong 01:02:41.160 --> 01:02:42.180 approach. Yeah. 01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:45.320 Anyway, man, thank you. Just sign up 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.240 to get everyone thinking four somehow. 01:02:47.540 --> 01:02:48.220 I don't know why. 01:02:50.080 --> 01:02:51.380 Four word, right? 01:02:52.120 --> 01:02:52.640 Thank you. 01:02:52.640 --> 01:02:53.520 There you go. 01:02:54.340 --> 01:02:56.800 This was one for the books, brother. It was fire. 01:02:57.500 --> 01:02:58.400 Yeah. Thanks, guys. 01:02:58.540 --> 01:03:00.080 You guys are the greatest. Keep up everything 01:03:00.080 --> 01:03:02.160 you do for the cause of Liberty and so 01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:03.880 many different realms that like 01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:06.320 it transcends my knowledge on a lot of it. 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.200 You guys are wizards. I really appreciate you. 01:03:08.640 --> 01:03:09.060 Thank you, Dave. 01:03:15.070 --> 01:03:17.670 Thank you for listening to the Free Thought 01:03:17.670 --> 01:03:18.930 Project podcast. 01:03:19.710 --> 01:03:21.770 And please don't forget to rate, review 01:03:21.770 --> 01:03:22.710 and subscribe. 01:03:24.710 --> 01:03:26.270 Free minds. 01:03:26.950 --> 01:03:28.170 Free people.