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Anyway, you're talking about like, this is a cause. What are you saying about the cause? Let me hear
that thing about what this is a cause. Well, prior to this record button, Ahmed was saying that I
say the same thing over and over and over again in interviews. And of course, he's correct.
But I'm assuming that people are hearing it for the first time. And he said it must get boring.
And I said, no, because and then he says, Oh, make sure we get this. So that's
the backstory on my answer. It's not boring because I focus on the vision, the dream,
the goal that someday the truth will come out that they did sadly fake the moon landings.
Just for with me for people who don't have an opinion or have an opinion,
you know, one way or the other, just imagine for a moment they did fake the moon landing.
And then imagine the next moment that the truth comes out. An astronaut confesses,
a president forces the issue, they admit it. That would be a breathtaking revelation. I was in
Berlin twice when the wall was up and I helped somebody defect from the KGB. Maybe I'm not
allowed to say that, but it's been so many years. Why not? And when the wall came down,
like a year after I left the second time, it was like a dream. It was like,
you know, did it really, is it really coming down? It was one of the most beautiful moments
in history. And so will be would be, we'll say the Lord willing, the truth coming out about
the moon landing fraud. It will be like a cold glass of water thrown in people's faces.
They wake up, they realize they've been sleepwalking and they look down
and their foot away from a cliff. You could hear a pin drop. People will go, wow, is it really that
bad? And as you know, I went from being the biggest fan boy to having my doubts to realizing
and funding concrete proof that they did indeed fake the moon landings. And when I saw it with
my own eyes, it just broke my heart. What a sad world that we're so juvenile. We set a goal that
we couldn't achieve and instead of just telling the truth, we embezzled billions of dollars and
murdered people to cover it up and continue like a child to this day. There's Apollo astronauts
who claim to be Christians preaching in churches. Their whole life is based on a lie.
And we know what the Bible and Jesus said about that. And yet they don't seem to have a problem
with that. And I asked one astronaut recently, the only one who claims to be a Christian,
I said, do you have a security clearance? And he said, yes. And I said, Oh, what is it?
Top secret. Top secret security clearance. Same as the president of the United States
for civilian mission of going to the moon. And I said, I just want to make sure if you have
top secret clearance, then you cannot tell the truth to your wife, your children, your pastor,
and your church congregation, correct? He said, correct. I said, okay, so what you're saying is
that you would lie to your wife, to your children, to your pastor, to your church
congregation in order to serve the corrupt federal government. He said, yes. So that's from the mouth
of the only Apollo astronaut who claims to be a Christian. And we were talking about how
you know, there's a large portion of people who claim to be Christians who aren't. And I was
about to say, you wanted me to save it for the recording. I read the New Testament 25 times.
And I would guess that about 75% of it is a warning from God, from Jesus, from the apostles,
to the church. You're sinning too much. And if you don't repent, you won't enter heaven.
In fact, in Revelation, the famous number seven, seven churches, five of the seven
say, if you don't repent, you're not entering heaven. So the vast majority of the New Testament,
including the Gospels, is Jesus saying, why do you call me a Lord, Lord, and not do what I say?
This is love for God to obey the commandments. And their commandments are not to lie to one
another. And you have this 90 year old man flying, you know, some great distance doing a transit
through an airport two times to sit across the table from me to reassure people that the
moon landings are real, because all this proof is coming out that they're fake. And if I climb Mount
Everest, and some silly person says I shot it in a TV studio, I certainly wouldn't fly halfway around
the world or the country to defend myself that I really climbed Mount Everest. So the guy's there
to put out fires. And someday I hope he will be seen for the child that he is who got his
hand caught in the cookie jar. And even though he's there in front of the whole world, he continues
to say he didn't steal a cookie. And that's how juvenile this is. The faking of the moon landing
shows that our leaders are juvenile. And then it gets worse, because according to people I interviewed,
and it's in my book, they murdered astronauts, not my opinion, opinion of the dead astronauts
relatives, they murdered Apollo astronauts, who wouldn't cooperate with the fraud. That's the
world we live in. And if the truth comes out about that, that would be a wonderful, beautiful
moment in history. Amazing introduction. Love it. And it would also be a terrifying day for a
lot of people. By the way, I want to quickly I don't normally do this, but I want to quickly
tell my audience, check out the book, Moonman, okay, by Bart Sibro, the true story of a filmmaker on
the CIA hit this list. I've really enjoyed reading this book. It's not that big. I'm not going to
lie. I got to about 85% of the book. I haven't finished it completely, but I will get there.
And but it's been thoroughly enjoyable. And what I really know how I'm dying to find out a bit
you are. And I and I recommend to everybody that they visit your website, Sibro.com. It's
brilliant. But you've, you know, a lot of people have websites, but this is just really helpful.
It's really easy. It's got lots of links to it, lots of extra content, lots of videos. And the
videos, if you look at the links, they actually take you on a journey. So in the book, you
know, tell you look like one link to what you're referencing. So you're talking about
things. So the videos will then show you what you're talking about the videos, the
pictures, the back, the backdrop. So it's really well done. It's a brilliant resource, I think.
But I'm going to dive in now and talk about a few things.
One, I would say, I can't disagree with you about the revelation of people found out.
But you know what I was hearing you say that? I mean, I'm going to be honest with you.
I was thinking, man, if people found out the real reason we went to World War One and
World War Two, what really happened during Vietnam War about how what really happened to JFK,
what really happened on 9-11, the real reasons we went to war against Iraq.
If we exposed the COVID pandemic, if the government officials and Bill Gates came
out and said, you know what, we've been lying about vaccines,
oh, you know, or, you know, we've been lying about climate change. I mean,
there's so many revelations. Don't you agree? There are so many lies. I mean,
I told you about my journey in the last few years. I started looking into one thing,
then another thing, then another thing. And then I realized most of what I've been taught
as a kid and what I've seen on Hollywood is a bloody lie.
Yeah, I was going to let you finish. I have a little more to say.
No, no. I'm just saying, why just the moon? Don't you think everything else is a lie as well?
That's an excellent question. And it is one of many horrific lies. The way I do research as
a journalist, because a lot of those events you mentioned, if not all of them that you mentioned,
occurred either before I was born or before I turned 10 years old. So I go back and I do the
research of the experts. I watched a lot of films and read a lot about who killed JFK.
And one of the best sources is Robert Kennedy Jr., right? The nephew who probably has more
access to the JFK files than Oliver Stone does. And he said he is 100% certain that the CIA
killed their own president because he was going to shut down their agency.
And then as I bring out, forgive me for repeating myself, but Robert McNamara,
Defense Secretary during Johnson, he said the public was against the war and we needed
something like Pearl Harbor because the day before Pearl Harbor, 90% of Americans did not
want to enter World War II. One day later, they wanted to get even, you know how it is, right?
So he said we need something like that. So he admitted before he died that him and the CIA,
the Defense Department and the Central Intelligence Agency, completely fabricated a fake attack
of a North Vietnamese ship on an American ship in the Gulf of Tonkin. Our representatives who
were supposed to represent us passed a law, both parties agreed. They called it the Gulf of Tonkin
resolution to start a war that killed 3 million people, including 58,220 of their own soldiers,
a war that would not have happened. Soldiers, Americans, 58,220 Americans and 3 million
Vietnamese would be alive if the CIA hadn't made up a fake attack, right? So they're willing to
kill their own president. They're willing to kill their own soldiers. What is that compared
to faking a TV image? Now they say about the JFK assassination, which was done on Earth
in front of multiple independent cameras, in front of at least 200 eyewitnesses,
and they still got away with it. And imagine on the moon where there's no independent press
coverage, we just have to trust the government and government people. Now, while these other
atrocities you mentioned, World War I, World War II, Vietnam War, JFK, all of those probably
killed more people. As best as I can tell, maybe 20 people were killed to keep the moon
landing fraud a secret. That's probably 90% fewer than who were killed to cover up the JFK
assassination. What's different, and this is an answer to your question, is the moon landing
has a different emotion. You see, the tragedy of World War I, the tragedy of JFK,
the tragedy of 9-11, those are all sad events. Sadness is in the heart. You can change the
hat on who did it and why. It's still a tragedy. The moon landing is different.
It's a positive life. Your team won the World Cup. Your team won the Super Bowl. It's burned in
people's hearts. They teared up for them. This is a lie that had no reason other than the
arrogance that they chose to do it. They printed it on coins that men were on the moon. They
printed it on stamps. They gave them medals of honor and ticker tape parades for being such
good liars. This is different. All those other tragedies are really more profound in life and
death. However, this one is different. This would be the finger out of the die. This is the one
that would upset people the most because it's turning instead of a tragedy into a greater tragedy.
It's turning this glorious thing into this great sour thing. That's a big emotional vacuum.
The number one tool to bringing down corruption in the United States of America and the world
is for some political leader in power, astronaut, NASA administrator, president, secretary of state,
somebody to come forward and acknowledge that they faked the moon landing six times
arrogantly and murdered people to cover it up. That would bring down the corruption quicker
and more effectively and to a greater degree than anything else. That's why it's different.
That's why I say we should focus on that one. When I have tasks to do in a day,
I do the most difficult one first and the second most difficult one second. As I'm getting tired,
things become easier. What we need to do in corruption is to use the most powerful tool
that will be the most effective, the atomic bomb of truth that will rattle people
and make people more angry against the corruption in the government than any other disclosure.
That, I believe, is the moon landing fraud. That's why I'm so passionate about it. That's why
I don't care repeating myself a hundred times. My dream is for the truth to come out for
the betterment of mankind. Without the truth coming out, you showed my website,
sabral.com. It says the truth will make you free. If the truth makes you free, then lies
make us slaves. What's the best way? I'm told, I don't know this, that there's more slavery
going on now than at any other point in history during black slavery in America and Roman slavery
that it's going on. So the best way to have slaves is to trick them into thinking they're free.
Now, there's a country in the world, it may shock you, this backward country with dirt floors
and outdoor plumbing, 70% of the population is sick all the time. It's just pathetic.
Obviously, the country that has 70% of the population sick all the time on a scale, on a
graph, is the worst healthcare in the world. I hate to inform you that that country is the
United States of America because 70% of the population is on pharmaceutical medicine,
which means 70% of the population is sick all the time. And by their own admission,
if you remove cancer and heart disease, the leading cause of death is medical malpractice.
So the leading cause of death is medical malpractice. If you got rid of heart disease and cancer,
5 billion people every 10 years and 70% of the population sick all the time. And we're told the
exact opposite of the truth. We have the best healthcare in the world. When the proof is right
there, we have the worst healthcare in the world. And we're told we're free. The exact
opposite is true. This little thing that went on a few years ago, the Constitution is supposed
to be the Bible. Every person in the government, every military person, every police officer holds
up their hand says, my Bible is the Constitution, not the president, not the mayor, not the governor.
The Constitution, when the Constitution says the government want to establish a religion
or prohibit the free exercise thereof. And yet, when a boogie virus was going around,
they closed churches, and they prohibit people from having wedding receptions.
So one group of people is telling another group of people when they can have church
and when they can have their wedding. Well, that means one group are masters
and the other group are slaves. And then it got even more arrogant. Then they said, well,
you can go to church, but you can't sing and you can have your wedding reception,
but you can't dance in a society that's supposed to be free. Now, my opinion is I don't care if
nine out of 10 people are dropping dead. The 10% still need toilet paper and tuna fish.
And there's 10% of business owners who are still alive. You can recommend that we, you know,
be careful, wear a mask, get a shot, whatever, appreciate the advice might be good, might
not. But freedom is letting us decide, right? And so we do not live in a free world that is
as big as lie as the moon landings being real and us having the greatest healthcare in the world.
And I'm such a patriot. I mean, I really am. My favorite holiday is always Independence Day.
I watched the film 1776 practically every year. And we're coming up on the 250th anniversary
thereof. And what we have now to then is completely different. You're pulled over with one of three
great lights out, and you're given the third degree if one of your friends is black. I mean,
come on, there are police everywhere, cameras everywhere. It's a police state. And you only
have to visit other countries where the police politely park in the wrong spot. They say, no
ticket, let us show you, you know, the proper place to park. That's the way it was supposed to be.
You nailed it. You nailed it. This is why I love you, man. You get it. You absolutely get the
big picture. So I get that people have to be passionate about one topic and an expert. We
need people like you to totally interrogate the moon landings. And, you know, I'll make
it clear to people, look, there's no one podcast can discuss it all. There's so much
information and details that, you know, we're just having a broad discussion right now. If you
really want the facts, get the book. And that will really just show you all the evidence. But
what you've just said, absolutely, we are a planet slave. Like, you know, there's a wonderful
film documentary guy, filmmaker, he's a friend of mine, Drew Treglia, who's made this movie
called Jones Plantation. Or you need to watch it. If you haven't already, it's brilliant.
I did see it.
He's been on my podcast. He's amazing. He's been on twice. We live on a Jones Plantation. We live
in a slave plantation where we all think we're free. We've all been given these coupons, these bits
of paper that we think are worth something. And we think our masters love us and care about us.
And we think we've got democracy and that we get to choose a political party. And this
time, if we vote harder and better and are a little bit lucky, we might just get our guy in and
it will all be okay. And it's all a lie. The slave masters control everybody all sides.
And the truth is, I've also found very sadly in the last couple of years is that most human beings
are begging and prostrating for slavery. They thank their slave masters for their state of
captivity. And when people like you and I go, hey, get off your knees, man. Stop acting like a slave.
We're not slaves. They get angry with you. They want to pull you down. And that's the state
that we're in. But I'm just going to read something from your book, which I really loved.
You were saying, you know, why are you so passionate about the moon landing topic is because
of the deception because it is so symbolically represents the deplorable state of the United
States federal government, which so desperately needs to be completely overhauled, brother,
all governments. I am an anarchist in the sense that I don't want any rulers anymore.
I just want rules, but no ruler. And I loved your quote just afterwards because I think it
applies to so many things that you said, all truth passes through three stages. First is ridiculed,
then it is violently opposed. Finally is accepted as self-evident. Arthur Skupinhard.
So true. Like, you know, I started a journey on COVID and vaccines. And you know, you're
ridiculed. Oh, you're a crazy anti-vaxxer. No, you're transphobic. You're a climate
change denier. Oh, you're a moon landing denier. Are you flat, Arthur? And then it goes to, you
know, you're going to be censored, you're going to be suspended, you're going to lose your job,
you're going to get kicked out of the hospital, you're going to get referred to the licensing
board. We're going to drag you through the courts. And then one day it's like,
yeah, there's turbo cancers and they've, you know, we're not having the vaccines
anymore. We don't really need to recommend the boosters. But the funny thing is when
you get to the last stage, there's no recognition. There's no apology. There's no compensation.
It's just quietly you move on. It's like, okay. So now it's self-evident. But we're not there yet
with the moon landing. I think we're still at stage one and two, frankly. You know.
Well, I wouldn't call myself an anarchist. I would call myself a reverseologist.
I just made up the term. Hope it works. Tell me, tell me. The last chapter of my book is called
What to Do About This Mess. I love games. And one game I like to play with my nieces and nephews is
Monopoly. And most people think, you know, you land on free parking and you get this, you know,
reward or whatever. They don't read the rules. It's a little Bible story. A lot of
quote Christians don't read the Bible. So what their theology is based on is
mankind rather than the word of God. But in any case, we need to rewrite the rules.
If the rules that we have now caused the moon landing to be fake, the president to be killed,
the wars to be falsified, then we need some new rules. So in the last chapter of my book,
Moonman, I suggest that, first of all, we choose our elected officials by lottery.
The first document, sorry, democracy of about, I don't know, 2,000 years ago did it that way.
They lasted 500 years. And the United States of America, we had 90% of Americans, 90%
agreed on something. Can you believe it? They wanted to know if their bottle of ketchup
contained GMOs. They wanted it to be mandatory to have a label contains GMOs because after all,
the most dangerous thing we do every day is not drive our car or fly an airplane.
It's swallowing about a pound and a half of food. 90% of Americans wanted contains GMOs and one
person said, no, we're not going to do that presidential veto. That's not a democracy,
especially when you have the Democrat, President Johnson, who according to my eye witness,
was at Cannon Air Force Base where they faked the first moon landing.
He was there supervising it. He was a Democrat. And this is why he didn't run for reelection
because who knew they could get away with it. And he was from Texas, where half a NASA is,
he didn't want that blowing up in his face while president. So he faked the moon landing,
but then it wasn't actually broadcast until the next term under Nixon,
who is a Republican who approved it. So the idea that one party is different than the other,
they both participated in the faking of the moon landing. So you choose representatives by lottery
the same way you do a jury. I mean, a jury decides life or death for another human being.
So I think there would be qualified enough to decide whether or not contains GMOs should be on
a bottle of ketchup or not. And then you have it one term limit, let's say five years for every
office in the country. You can be president once, governor wants mayor wants sheriff wants whatever,
five years only, that's it. Now, if our representatives and Congress in the Senate is
probably too complicated, simplify it just to have a Congress choose them by lottery,
then you'd get podcasters, filmmakers, plumbers, street sweepers, cashiers at
Walmart, teachers, occasional doctor, lawyer of those 435 people, however many it ends up being,
they nominate five people for president of the United States. If you have public debates where
all the questions are the same, not one question for one group of person and another question
for another person, then the public votes, they narrow it down to three people, then two
people, then one person, their president for one five year term. And then this is why
I call myself a reverse oligist. Basically when Reagan came up with, or actually it was his advisors,
trickle down economics. Basically what that means is you give tax breaks to the billionaires
and that way they can hire more butlers. And so it helps the middle class, right?
But during this last little fiasco, the banking administrations around the world,
I think there was 2008, they gave $3 trillion to bail out the bankers who caused the problem.
They could have with that same amount of money. And there's another bailout,
but people don't realize this during COVID. That was the biggest wealth transfer to the rich
in human history. That was another big one. Yeah, a lot of people made money off of that one
and it wasn't us. But my point is if you took that $3 trillion and according to my
rough math, you could have given every American citizen over the age of 18 $20,000. And what would
they do? They would go out and buy cars and washer and dryers and flat screen TVs that would trickle
up to the people who owned those big corporations. So if electricity can go down a wire left to
right, it can go down the same wire right to left. This top down government is that is labeled
democracy, which it's obviously not. If one person can veto 90% of the will of the people,
then that's the same type of tyranny we've had from the beginning of time. Top down, king down.
So the way we have it now, this person who's in the district of Columbia, which is technically
not even part of the United States, can tell the governor of California what they can and cannot do.
And for some reason, the governor of California can tell the mayor of Los Angeles what they can
and cannot do. The mayor can tell the resident association of a subdivision, let's say they
want to have open carry or ban guns. The mayor can override the will of the people in that
neighborhood, even though the mayor doesn't live there. Does that sound like logic or the
opposite thereof? And then the resident association can tell a landowner, the way we have it now,
that you cannot plant a garden in your front yard because it's not aesthetically pleasing.
So someone who doesn't own the property is telling the property owner what they can and cannot do
on their own property. So let's reverse it. Let's have it to where the resident association
cannot tell the landowner what to do. The mayor cannot tell the resident association what to
do. The governor cannot tell the mayor what to do. And the president cannot tell the governor
what to do. Let's reverse it. And then we'll have these natural laws. These are called back in the
Roman days, I think they're called city states, right? And let's go back and take a look. Let's
have a constitutional congress and rewrite the laws and make them simple. If you read the
constitution, these major profound laws are like one to three sentences. And that's it.
You know, we don't need 2000 pages, right? It's very simple. If there's freedom, that means it's
up to me to wear a face covering or not to receive a medicine or not, especially for an illness I
don't even have, right? And for me to open my business, whether there's a meteor storm or
not. You can't, if one person can forbid me to open my business because it's a meteor storm,
then they're the master and I'm the slave, right? So even a meteor storm, I should be able to go
shopping and open my business if I want to. It's my prerogative, it's my body. And as you know,
me wearing a safety belt doesn't make your safety belt work better. So me wearing a face covering
doesn't make your face covering better. But don't you know, don't you know your
umbrella only works if I use my umbrella? Yeah, well, that's proof that it doesn't work,
because if the medicine works, then let the stupid people die who think it's not good for you. I
would be like Superman, I would be immune, right? I talked to them, they got three doses of medicine
and got the illness three times. And yet they're tricked, they're repeating this mantra on TV,
well, I didn't die from it, therefore it works. Well, that's like saying I bought a car,
I drove it off the lot, the brakes failed, I hit a tree, caught on fire, broke my leg,
but it didn't kill me, what a great car. And I buy another one, the steering wheel stops
working, I hit another tree, break another leg, but I didn't get killed, what a great car.
I mean, people are into thinking it that way. So look at all the drug problems going on in the
world, all these people being killed, and the CIA, our government, who one department is against
drugs and the other department is bringing them in. I think if I want to, you know, snort white
paint or drink it, that's my prerogative. I mean, if euthanasia is now allowed legally,
right? Then why shouldn't I be able to snort cocaine or smoke pot, which I'm not advising,
I don't do it, but I should be legally allowed to do those things, especially when euthanasia
is legal, right? You're supposed to protect their health in one instance and you're allowing
them to kill themselves in another. Do you realize they could save, if they're really
interested in saving lives, they could save, get this number, one billion lives,
one billion lives in the next 74 years. If they wrote a law, international law,
cigarettes are now illegal. So are they really interested in saving the lives of people?
If we have the right to drink booze and smoke cigarettes and kill ourselves, then tax cocaine,
you could make it legal to buy, but illegal to resell. You can have a daily limit, monthly limit,
get a little ID card, whatever, tax it, and then all those shootings in Mexico and Colombia would
go away and we would probably have triple the amount of taxes, right, coming in, right? And then
why not have a flat sales tax that you just pay as you go? And then all this undeclared income
that people are making from who knows what, it gets declared when they purchase something,
their home, their boat, their fur coat that you get the 10%. Who are we, and I advise that it be
9%, who are we to ask more than God, right? God set it up that for every 10 people in the church,
there would be one minister, right? But now if you add up, I got paid $100 bonus once,
exactly $100. And the amount after federal tax and social security and blah, blah, blah,
was $64. And then after the local sales tax, it came to $59, right? Or I think it was something
even less than that. It was really close to half. I think it was 54%. So half of my money has
gone in taxes. When God only asked for 10%. And I guess if there's all this waste, people faking
moon landings and everything, then we could probably cut at least half from the federal
government. And another thing to remember is our first document isn't the Constitution,
it's the Declaration of Independence. That says when any government becomes destructive
of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.
According to Betty Grissom, the widow of the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the
moon, he was murdered by the CIA because he wouldn't cooperate with the fraud. That's what
she told me. So our government is using our sweat and tax dollars to fake moon landings and
brethren who are trying to expose it. I think they violated the life, liberty and pursuit of
happiness clause, right? And then liberty, if we can't go to church when we want, we can't sing
when we want, we don't have liberty. And we don't have the pursuit of happiness if that's
what makes me happy to go to church or open my business. This is completely insane and needs
a complete overhaul. And that's why I suggest in the last chapter of my book.
Well, I like a lot of your suggestions. I honestly, you're right, we've got a relationship between
slave and slave master. I mean, just taxation, I mean, I've tallied it all up in your lifetime.
You pay 85% of your earnings back in tax, you know, that you've got income tax, local
council tax, you got your property tax, you got your fuel tax, you got your VAT,
in America, you got your state tax, you've got you've got so many taxis. And then,
you know, even when you die, even when you're six feet under, they come for your inheritance
tax, which is like 40%. I mean, it's just, it tallies up to about 85%. If that's not
being a slave, I don't really know what is. I have a new one too. It's called the worm tax.
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Yes. Yeah, certainly like $2 for every worm or something like that now. So
I love it. Love it. And then the thing is, the thing is, you know, even like we say we're
free, really, like if you don't pay your property tax, they'll take your home.
And it's like, I've paid my home, right? If you have, you know, I've still got
mortgage, but say you're living in your house, you're paid off, whatever. If you don't pay
that property tax, they'll come and take it from you. And even taxation, it's just legalized theft.
You know, even the government has just got a monopoly on the use of force.
I don't have a contract with these people. But if I don't do what they tell me,
you know, I get in trouble. And that's when people, when bolsters in New York do it,
it's called extortion, right? You, I own a shop. And if I don't pay you protection money,
you'll break my glass or break my legs. And that's the same with the government.
We've already proven to us and reasonable people that the federal government of the United States
are a bunch of murderers and thieves and liars. They're killing their own president.
They're faking the beginning of wars. They're faking moon landing and the murdering people
to cover up the moon landing fraud. I even have an eyewitness who personally said he killed
somebody, a coworker at Canada Force Base to keep the moon landing fraud a secret,
because that's where the first moon landing was filmed a year in advance.
So we've established now that our government are a bunch of rogue gangsters. So it's would then be
legal to not pay rogue gangsters our money, whether it be for property tax or whatever.
It seems like property tax should be a one-time thing. When I buy a hamburger, I think I only
pay tax one time on the hamburger. Why am I continually paying, you know, what
will eventually be double or triple the value of the property in Texas?
That's extortion from the people who faked the moon landing and killed their own president, right?
Absolutely. And the thing is, the other element is the deep state. So for example,
here we've got civil service and it's in central government in Westminster,
like your equivalent of DC. But we also have the local level. You know, we've got the
councillors that go and, you know, are elected. But what people don't realise is the real decision
making is made by the management at the local councils, the chief executive, the managers,
all these, and there's so many of them and they get paid a lot, like quarter of a million dollars
a year. Like there's about 15 of them that have that salary locally. And they're not elected.
And they're the ones that pass policies and they're influenced by NGOs, by central government,
by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation all and the corporations. And then they tell the councillors,
well, this is what we're going to do. And the councillors get to vote on it or have a discussion
about it. And it's fundamentally not democratic at all. You know, we don't have a true
representative government. You know, we have corporations, we've got lobbyists, we've got
influencers and this deep state apparatus. So we also need to find a way of restraining that
and the problem with big government or government is it always ends up with a big government. Like,
you know, you talk about slashing it down. I mean, absolutely we need to slash it. I love the idea
of a lottery. I love the idea of a single term. But we also need to find a way of really restraining
the deep state, the civil apparatus that just are unaccountable and they and they're and
they're revolving doors. You know, they're in this cozy, cushy job. They get a great
pension. And then, you know, when they finish their term, and they've done what the
corporations have asked, suddenly they're on a non-executive board making lots of money for
doing nothing. You know, that's their that's their drive. Other rules I came up with in my book,
the last chapter, what to do about this mess is right now you have a corrupt president,
because both parties have been taking over both parties fake the moon landing,
both parties voted for the beginning of the Vietnam War based on a lie, right? So there's no
difference. They want the most popular person to win corrupt candidate A or corrupt candidate
B. And they were fighting each other instead of the evil people at the top. So we have a corrupt
president who then appoints corrupt people over every single department, the FBI, the FDA, the CDC,
the CIA, the NSA, every department, the Justice Department, all of that then has corrupt
leaders because there are rank and file FBI agents who said, yeah, we have a senator who
took a bribe, but we're told if we prosecute that person will be fired, right? So one of my rules is
that those presidential appointments are no longer allowed, that the FBI elects their own
leader from within. The rank and file people of the FBI know who is honest and who's not,
and the majority of people there are probably honest. Let them nominate their own person.
A president cannot appoint them and a president cannot fire them.
That's the problem. Why isn't any of this fraud being investigated because the departments that
are supposed to investigate it are corrupt? We have the people who killed JFK. Listen to this,
if you haven't heard it before, the people who killed JFK are the ones assigned to find out
who did it. So naturally they're not going to imply themselves. They say this Oswald guy did it.
It was a fall guy for it. He was probably on the ground floor when it happened. He was there,
but he was the fall guy. They have a thousand pages to back up how this one guy who wasn't
even there did it. A thousand pages of proof. And the people who put it together are the
people who killed the president, the former CIA director that Kennedy fired. That's who was in
charge of investigating who killed Kennedy. Can you believe it? It's not corrupt. So why isn't
the Justice Department bringing up charges against people who faked the moon landing because
they're appointed, their leader is appointed by the people who faked the moon landing.
They're not going to do it. I uploaded a video once, factoring the little COVID thing,
of a Justice Department employee going to their press room.
The camera pointed to the side. The person walks up down the long hallway, not wearing a mask.
None of the people with him are wearing a mask. And right before he goes to the podium, he puts
on a mask for like five seconds. And when he gets to the podium, he's allowed to take it off.
So the whole idea that he's wearing a mask all the time is a complete fraud.
Okay. So the person who originally uploaded that video of simply a fact got their channel
removed. Their channel was taken down. Another person put an oxygen sensor under a mask.
And the alarms went off because there's less oxygen under a mask than in a cave.
And OSHA says you can't go below 19.5%. And it's 17.5 under a mask.
Just a video of an instrument, a scientific instrument reading that's taken down.
It's truth. And then there's a warning on my latest YouTube videos. They might take down
a controversial issue. Well, yes, the faking of the moon landing is a controversial issue.
So they'll leave up the lie. But they might have to take the truth down because the truth
is controversial. The lie is not controversial. The lie is great. America went to the moon.
I have this famous video of me being punched by Buzz Aldrin. Okay. I uploaded it to my channel.
I think the version of it may be, I don't know, nine or 10 years ago. I have about 70,000 subscribers.
And it's got about a quarter of a million views in 10 years with 70,000 subscribers.
Then a person who's pro moon landing to make fun of me who has less than 200 subscribers
uploads the same video and gets 2 million views in 30 days. I have a quarter million views
in 10 years with 70,000 subscribers. And he gets 2 million views in 30 days with 200 subscribers,
which is maybe $6,000 of ad revenue that that person gets instead of the creator of the footage.
That's what's going on. No one cares. How can that be legal? I was under the impression
that utilities and certainly YouTube and all that to utility, they cannot discriminate based on
race, color, or creed. For creed is your belief. I believe Republicans are great. I believe
Democrats are great. I believe the moon is square. I believe the moon is round. I believe
they went to the moon. I believe we didn't go to the moon. My main sponsor was Nissan Motors.
And do you think Nissan Motors cares whether their customer is Republican or Democrat? No.
They don't care whether the customer believes he went to the moon or not,
as long as they buy the car. You see, and that's what we're up against. Somehow we live in a world
where the truth is persecuted, the truth will not make you money, and then the lies will make
you money. But there is good news, if I dare add, at the beginning of our conversation,
which there is a God and there is a judgment to come. And my not favorite scripture,
but to me, the most important scripture is what good is it to gain the whole world and forfeit
your soul? Oh, the people who killed Kennedy faked the moon landing 9 11, whatever they've
gained the world, which according to the book of Thessalonians is going to be destroyed by fire,
but there will lose their soul. And so yeah, we're being persecuted now. But the people
who are doing it and who are reveling in money for lies,
doesn't sound like they're going to make it into eternal life. And if we don't make it into eternal
life, our life is worthless, pointless, no matter how much money, fame, fortune we may,
because everyone's going to die and face judgment. So my hope is that somebody will
make the truth come out. Maybe God himself will motivate somebody to tell the truth about it,
so that we can move on and cure ourselves from this disease. It might be messy,
like cutting off gangrene. There'll be some pain and suffering. But if you don't,
the whole body's going to die. And that's what we're faced with.
100%. 100%. I mean, the thing is, you know, you talk about the truth and the lies and
the truth flourishes in the open. It flourishes under interrogation. It's not scared.
But the opposite is true for lies. Lies need censorship. They need the truth to be concealed.
And it flourishes in the dark. And the truth is like a simple torchlight. A simple torchlight
in a dark room will illuminate everything. And that's why the truth needs to be contained.
That's why they work so hard at it. And the lie is so fragile. It needs to be protected.
And so unfortunately, so much of the world is a lie. Our governments are liars. I mean,
I think we've actually got a one world government. And they truly, truly are evil.
You know, just before we start talking about some of the stuff about the moon landing and why
it's fake, because I want to get onto that and some other stuff like aliens and stuff.
You're talking about depopulation off air just for a second. You know, you're talking,
you talked about that. I mean, Span, what do you think is going on?
Well, it's interesting how many things are in the Bible. The wisest man who ever lived said
there's nothing new under the sun. And the answer about depopulation will tie in to the alien
topic as well. I think it's in Leviticus 1919 that God says not to cross three species. Don't
blob God and have and will continue. I'm sure until the very end. But God built it into the DNA
that it stops if you violate it, meaning if you take a horse and a donkey to get a mule,
the mule is sterile. Every time you need a mule, you can't mate a mule and a mule.
You'll never get a mule. They're sterile. So when you violate that law, when you produce a GMO,
it causes infertility. But what a coincidence, since GMOs have been introduced,
fertility rates have dropped by 65%. Now, like I said, my opinion about these events, historic
events that happened before I was born, I researched the experts and that becomes my opinion.
I'm not a virologist. But when a virologist who is VP of a certain pharmaceutical company for
10 years says this thing from a few years ago was there was really no big deal and no reason
to take the medicine. And the medicine really hasn't been verified to be good for you.
That becomes my opinion. If the relative of the dead man says the CIA killed the president,
his uncle, then that becomes my opinion. My opinion about aliens, I have another book
called Aliens from Planet X. It's also at sabrelle.com. I read it myself and audio kindle a print.
And I basically did years going on decades of research about the top two UFO researchers, right?
What did they decide? What did they do? And one gentleman's name is Jacques Valet. The other is
Alan Heineck and they're the most respected UFO people in the world. And after investigating
UFOs for nearly 50 years each, they came to the exact same conclusion, which is number one, UFOs are
real. Number two, they're not from outer space. They're from Earth. And number three, they're demonic.
Now, there's some interesting things in the Bible. Genesis six says that fallen angels enter
bread with humans, so that it gets 1919 crossbreed species. It doesn't say you won't get an offspring
because you get from a horse and a donkey, you get a mule. And it says in the Bible,
from a human and a fallen angel, you get a third species called the Nephilim, a giant,
because when people have visions of even good angels there for whatever reason, very tall,
right? And one of the reasons for the flood apparently was to get rid of them,
but it says somehow they survived anyway. Now UFOs are coming up out of the ocean
and can, you know, fly in all these crazy patterns. People assume that some extraterrestrial
technology, but imagine, let's just say they did go to the moon in 1969. Imagine the technology
you would have 6,000 years later. So a fallen angels have been around for thousands of years
before the Earth was created and 6,000 years since the Earth was created. Maybe that's where UFOs and
things are coming from. And then in Genesis three 15, God says that he will put war
between the seed of Adam, which means future offspring, and the seed of Lucifer,
which means future offspring. The Nephilim is a bloodline. Jesus said, and God said,
there is a war between two bloodlines, the bloodline of natural creation of Adam and Eve,
and of fallen angels intermarrying creating Nephilim. What happens during UFO abductions?
Sperm and eggs are harvested. Why? Because they're sterile. Because they're just like a horse
and a donkey making a sterile mule. A fallen angel and a human makes a sterile Nephilim.
That's why sperm and eggs are being harvested. That's why there's a war between two bloodlines.
Now Moon Man, as you showed the website, it has interactive links, meaning my book Moon Man,
I write a chapter and then I say go to link one, write a chapter, go to link two,
so I can show you documentation, visual documentation for the things that I'm
asserting. The alien book, if you go to the website, I think it's something like 29 links.
And one of the links is this article about this high IQ high school student who about
15 years ago went through 500,000 genealogical ancestors of every American president.
And at that time, 15 years ago, she said that every president, except for one,
were blood related. A bloodline. They're protecting a bloodline. They don't care whether you pick
Nephilim Republican or Nephilim Democrat. They want the most popular person to be in charge.
It makes it easier. And that's why, and I have another video at my website where we show all these
world leaders doing the hand sign of the devil and photograph after photograph after photograph,
presidents, kings, world leaders. And we show the World Economic Forum logo.
This is a multi-billion dollar organization that if they wanted to,
they could spend a billion dollars on their logo. There's an O in the world, an O in
economic, an O in forum, and a half circle going through each O that forms 666. Right?
Hidden in plain sight. A 666 in the Google logo. A 666 in the CERN logo where they're apparently
trying to open the dimension for the jailed fallen angels to enter the world again.
I know it sounds absurd. They faked the moon landing, but they did. And to me,
it sounds even more absurd that our world leaders literally were sublucifer, but they do.
And they're not shy about it. Okay. I want to quickly ask you some stuff.
Right. So basically, if the Nephilim are giants and the presidents are Nephilim,
presidents don't look all giants. Well, it's like what's it called, husbandry.
They've had 6,000 years to breed the height out of the Nephilim, generation after generation.
And of course, they have UFO technology. I'm sure they have genetic technology that's better than
what we have. You can do the same thing with these foxes. You have wild foxes. And when they
have a behavior that's less docile, they go in one group and the docile ones go in another
group. You keep doing that. And now you have pretty much when a fox is born, it has completely
different characteristics of personality, submissive or violent. And they do the same thing with color,
of coat, with height, and with ever. And a lot of presidents were tall. I don't know what percentage
of them are above average in height, but it might be the majority actually. And they've bred
that out over the millennia so that they're less easy to detect.
So I know what you mean about the devil sign. I think it's called the Moloch sign
and Baal and whatever. And let's go back. Why is it 6,000 years? I mean, this planet is very old
and it's thousands of years. I think human beings have been here for like,
I don't believe in evolution, by the way. I think that's a lot of garbage.
And I think, you know, humans have been here at least 250,000 years.
Where does the 6,000 years come from? That's a biblical timeline. And then the oldest plant
on earth, from my understanding, is 12,000 years old, twice as long. There's a theology I
don't quite understand that seems to imply there was two creations. The first one with
a dinosaur, something went wrong. The devil interfered somehow and look at a dinosaur. It's
a monster. Those were wiped out and then the next 6,000 years with Adam and Eve started.
There was also a DNA study done about 20 years ago called the Eve project, where they took
DNA samples from every nationality under the sun, from Africans, Eskimos, Swedes, Americans,
French, German, wherever. And with the new DNA technology, they were able to go back in time.
And they concluded, scientifically, every human being who ever lived is alive or will ever live
came from one woman with no one before her, no evolution. She suddenly appeared in Africa.
Now according to their timetable, it might have been 100,000 years ago, like you're saying.
We don't really know. Just because there's DNA testing, we don't know how accurate it is or
carbon-14 dating, we don't really know. It's a guess. However, scientists have proven that
all humans came from one woman, no one before her, no evolution. She just suddenly appeared
in Africa. That's matching the Bible, even though you might change the years around.
So I thought this program was a one-time documentary, like my film,
if anything happened on the way to the moon, called Ancient Aliens. Apparently it's been
going on for 20 years. So Ancient Aliens says because of that study, it came out exactly when
that study was released to dampen out that there's a God. If all humans came from one woman
and no one before her, that exactly matches the Bible. But the people who run the world don't
want you to believe in the Bible. Then you're repent of the sin they make money off of.
So they said, okay, well, that's true. But we weren't made from God. We were made by aliens
from outer space. It's called Ancient Aliens. But they never asked in 20 years the question
that I would ask as a third grader, which is, okay, if we were made by aliens, then who made
aliens? And it gets even more interesting. In my book, Aliens from Planet X, I talk about how
aliens are really fallen angels, because the top two UFO researchers said UFOs are real,
but they're not from outer space. They're from Earth and they're demonic. So aliens,
apparently, are liars claiming they came from this galaxy far, far away that can never be
proven or disproven, when in fact they've been here all along. They're fallen angels masquerading as
aliens. And then if you read the ancient text in Isaiah 14, it says that Lucifer wants to ascend
to the throne of God and become God. So if this program, which is the latest intellectual
theory says humans were made from aliens, and aliens are fallen angels and their leader
is Lucifer, but they're really saying his mankind was made by Lucifer instead of God. A fulfillment
of Isaiah 14. Aliens are now responsible. Fallen angels, Lucifer is now the latest
intellectual theory that's who made humanity, not God. Okay, pretty amazing. So if you got
fallen angels, like they're immortal. So are these fallen angels? Like how many of them are
there here? And where do they live? Do they live amongst us as human beings? Are they underground?
Like what was happening there? That's a great question. The Bible says one third of them
followed Lucifer in rebellion, and they were cast down to the earth. An interesting
scripture in Revelation says, woe to the earth, because the devil has been cast down to you
and he knows his time is short. So he is full of fury and will take it out on mankind is what it's
saying. Some are in dungeons we know from the book of Peter and some are roaming around and
intermarrying with humans and pretending to be aliens from outer space. A third of the angels
in heaven is a lot. I know that may sound silly, but I'll tell a silly story. People already
think I'm silly because I say we didn't go to the moon. The Bible says angels walk around us in disguise,
good angels. So I met a guy one time who I thought might be a good angel and naturally they couldn't
lie. So I asked him a few reporter type questions, right? And interestingly he couldn't look me in
the eye. He was like super humble, couldn't look me in the eye. And I said, well how many angels
the Bible says a person has angels to help them, right, in their eternal life. How many angels are
there per person? And he said, well, you know, I don't know because he can't lie. And I said,
well, if you were to guess approximately, he would and he said an answer there really startled
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