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Welcome back to the Freethought Project podcast. 02:01.640 --> 02:07.160 My name is Jason Bassler and joining me is the Freethought Project Editor-in-Chief, Matt Agarist. 02:07.160 --> 02:12.560 We also have TFTP writer and editor, Dawn Vai Jr. joining us again today. 02:14.120 --> 02:17.820 Well, thank you everybody for tuning in and joining us once again. 02:18.060 --> 02:21.360 We are back this week for our second show of 2026. 02:21.700 --> 02:23.280 It is Episode 198. 02:24.500 --> 02:28.520 And if you missed our first episode back after our holiday hiatus, 02:29.540 --> 02:32.240 in my opinion, it's definitely a must listen. 02:32.400 --> 02:36.700 We spoke to author, innovator, and New Hampshire Senate candidate 02:36.700 --> 02:39.820 Aaron Day last week and covered a lot of ground. 02:40.060 --> 02:44.600 We spoke about Aaron's recent decision to run and why he's running. 02:44.800 --> 02:47.660 We talked about the political persecution of crypto innovators 02:47.660 --> 02:52.240 like Ian Freeman, Roman Storm, Keane Rodriguez, 02:53.500 --> 02:58.920 and even the hoops that Bitcoin Jesus, a.k.a. Bitcoin Jesus, Roger Beer had to jump through 02:58.920 --> 03:02.240 to finally get off the IRS DOJ hit list. 03:02.860 --> 03:06.320 But the main segment of the podcast focused on medical tourism, 03:06.320 --> 03:11.420 creating medical trusts and how to opt out of the medical mafia extortion racket 03:11.420 --> 03:13.540 known as modern day health care. 03:14.000 --> 03:17.760 Now, Aaron is truly a brilliant and dedicated Liberty activist 03:17.760 --> 03:19.840 and the show was definitely worth the listen. 03:20.200 --> 03:23.040 So download it and check it out after this episode. 03:24.140 --> 03:28.760 And I also wanted to share that we've already lined up nearly four months of guests 03:28.760 --> 03:29.860 for this podcast. 03:30.500 --> 03:33.780 We're talking unique minds out of the box free thinkers, 03:34.360 --> 03:37.820 people who see the world from perspectives you've likely never heard before. 03:38.580 --> 03:42.800 So do make sure you are subscribed on your favorite podcast app 03:42.800 --> 03:45.500 and also take a moment to rate and review the show. 03:45.780 --> 03:50.260 It goes a long way and really helps us get these conversations into more people's ears. 03:52.760 --> 03:53.520 All right, guys. 03:53.680 --> 03:56.300 So we are welcoming back a returning guest. 03:56.780 --> 03:58.080 And yeah, I know what you're thinking. 03:58.340 --> 04:00.520 We've had a lot of those over the past year. 04:00.520 --> 04:03.960 But this guest has only joined us once before in the past. 04:04.260 --> 04:10.440 It was actually back in August of 2024 after I had just met him at the Freedom Fest conference in Vegas. 04:11.100 --> 04:15.180 Now, I do want to mention that we did have a show we had planned. 04:15.360 --> 04:17.540 We had to kind of put this one together at the last second. 04:18.040 --> 04:20.700 I was really looking forward to speaking to our scheduled guests, 04:20.840 --> 04:23.560 which were a group of veterans, EMS, 04:23.560 --> 04:27.520 Ex-Law Enforcement and Experienced Rescue Agents 04:27.520 --> 04:33.100 who actually saved lives of human trafficked children called Gideon's Army. 04:33.640 --> 04:35.720 Unfortunately, they couldn't join us this week. 04:35.880 --> 04:36.880 So we did scramble. 04:37.020 --> 04:37.600 We did panic. 04:38.540 --> 04:41.000 And at the last minute, I reached out to today's guest 04:41.000 --> 04:44.500 and he kindly accepted the offer to join today's show. 04:44.840 --> 04:47.700 But we will try to get Gideon's Army rescheduled. 04:47.880 --> 04:49.020 I think that would be a good one. 04:49.600 --> 04:51.880 But today's guest is someone I really admire. 04:51.880 --> 04:55.020 I take a lot of value from his posts on Twitter 04:55.020 --> 04:58.880 where he has nearly 70,000 followers and for good reason. 04:59.220 --> 05:02.380 He also runs a sub-stack called Interlinked, 05:02.380 --> 05:07.120 which digs into the ways technology, identity, and existence shape each other, 05:07.680 --> 05:11.740 which are all topics I actually kind of wanted to cover and talk about today. 05:12.700 --> 05:14.600 So our guest is Dylan Allman. 05:15.020 --> 05:17.440 Dylan, welcome back to the Freethought Project podcast. 05:17.740 --> 05:19.900 And thanks for joining us on such short notice, brother. 05:20.460 --> 05:21.980 Yeah. Hey, what's up, guys? 05:22.440 --> 05:25.540 Those other guests you're supposed to have seem way more interesting than me. 05:25.660 --> 05:30.840 So I'm glad I could at least step in and give some input on this show. 05:31.340 --> 05:32.500 I disagree, man. 05:33.100 --> 05:34.440 We do appreciate it. 05:35.000 --> 05:35.980 I disagree, bro. 05:36.340 --> 05:37.400 Don't sell yourself short. 05:37.540 --> 05:39.100 You have a lot of great things you've been saying, 05:39.280 --> 05:40.340 a lot of great work that you've been doing. 05:41.320 --> 05:45.040 And why not just jump right into the culture war side of things, right? 05:45.260 --> 05:48.240 And I think maybe we could get into some of the tech and surveillance side of things 05:48.240 --> 05:50.040 and Ian Freeman stuff as well. 05:50.840 --> 05:54.250 But at first it seems like a no-brainer to start with some of the bizarre antics 05:54.960 --> 05:58.420 and I guess kind of predictable antics going on in social media 05:58.420 --> 06:03.600 and more specifically Twitter, where I think we all kind of spend most of our time. 06:04.220 --> 06:07.580 Because if you needed a reminder on just how divided this country is, 06:07.820 --> 06:12.900 look no further, it's pretty discouraging just to see the lack of critical thinking 06:12.900 --> 06:14.060 that does surround us. 06:14.060 --> 06:18.880 But the element I wanted to get into involves a meme that I made just yesterday 06:18.880 --> 06:22.380 and involved me to indulge here on my meme. 06:22.580 --> 06:24.960 Basically on the left side of the meme it said, you know, 06:25.000 --> 06:30.220 2020 at the top had a clearly angry and irate NPC Wojak 06:30.220 --> 06:34.080 with a face mask on, a Pfizer shirt and needles sticking out of their arm. 06:34.460 --> 06:38.100 And then on the right side of the meme had the same exact upset NPC Wojak 06:38.600 --> 06:40.380 but with a red MAGA hat on. 06:40.380 --> 06:44.300 And I love cop's t-shirt and it said 2026 at the top. 06:44.560 --> 06:48.140 Now both the left and the right NPC Wojaks were saying the same thing. 06:48.320 --> 06:51.080 Just comply with government and you won't die. 06:51.680 --> 06:54.280 And the meme went viral last time I checked. 06:54.480 --> 06:55.960 It had around half a million people, 06:56.180 --> 06:59.340 it reached about half a million people in less than 24 hours. 06:59.700 --> 07:02.960 And you know, the point being made clearly resonated with a lot of people 07:02.960 --> 07:08.200 but there were a lot of MAGA buffoons in the comments 07:08.200 --> 07:11.840 and of course they all claimed it was inaccurate and stupid and exaggerated 07:11.840 --> 07:16.620 but none of them really articulated why it was inaccurate or stupid. 07:16.860 --> 07:20.400 You know, it was just kind of the tribal mud flinging and the insults and office tree. 07:21.020 --> 07:22.660 But I think the reason why the meme went viral 07:22.660 --> 07:24.860 is because it touched on something that a lot of people are thinking. 07:25.420 --> 07:28.120 Clearly there are some parallels to how MAGA is acting 07:28.120 --> 07:31.120 now after the Renee Good shooting in Minnesota 07:31.820 --> 07:34.320 and how the left was acting during COVID. 07:34.740 --> 07:37.540 But you know, cognitive dissonance is one hell of a drug. 07:37.540 --> 07:40.760 So I don't really have an elaborate question for this 07:40.760 --> 07:43.060 but I know you've been calling it out as well, Dylan. 07:43.340 --> 07:47.440 So what the hell is going on here and why are both sides so cult-like 07:47.440 --> 07:50.540 and why do neither seem to have any critical thinking skills? 07:51.280 --> 07:56.820 I tend to treat both sides of the traditional political spectrum 07:57.720 --> 07:59.760 as essentially one and the same. 08:00.940 --> 08:03.960 And their differences are, 08:04.560 --> 08:07.080 they seem to just be aesthetic in nature 08:07.760 --> 08:11.420 and I try and lead to this in the posts that I make 08:12.600 --> 08:14.680 because when the rubber meets the road, 08:15.920 --> 08:17.560 they want the same things. 08:17.720 --> 08:20.240 I mean they equally believe in the state. 08:20.840 --> 08:24.000 They just want the state to do their preferred bidding 08:24.540 --> 08:27.360 and to me they're coming from a very similar place. 08:27.900 --> 08:29.480 It just looks a little bit different. 08:30.180 --> 08:32.320 You know, one's got that conservative aesthetic 08:32.320 --> 08:34.400 and the other's got that progressive aesthetic. 08:35.120 --> 08:41.180 And you see this anytime that there are things that arise 08:41.640 --> 08:46.680 that are within their preferred policies like with COVID. 08:47.420 --> 08:49.020 You know, that was more of a left wing thing. 08:49.460 --> 08:52.120 So of course, you know, they all swallowed the boot 08:52.120 --> 08:53.760 when that time came 08:54.480 --> 08:57.280 and now this time around it's the right wing doing it. 08:58.020 --> 09:00.120 And yeah, I saw that meme that you put out 09:00.120 --> 09:02.940 and that was a very good illustration of exactly what we're seeing. 09:03.620 --> 09:08.420 And I made some similar posts as well 09:08.420 --> 09:10.720 about talking about the Second Amendment. 09:11.000 --> 09:13.300 It's like, hey guys, like you've been talking about 09:13.300 --> 09:16.360 this inevitable encroachment of tyranny 09:16.360 --> 09:18.820 and about how you need to be prepared 09:18.820 --> 09:21.100 and it's like, this is your time. 09:21.660 --> 09:23.860 Like, here you go. This is what you've been dreaming of. 09:24.620 --> 09:25.560 Let's get going. 09:25.560 --> 09:29.880 You're like, no, no, no, no, this isn't it. 09:30.100 --> 09:30.600 This isn't it. 09:31.260 --> 09:34.020 And it's because they look at, they associate their identity 09:34.020 --> 09:35.160 with the current administration. 09:36.080 --> 09:41.360 And so, yeah, I made a post that said exactly, 09:41.880 --> 09:44.380 the Second Amendment exists precisely for times like these, 09:44.540 --> 09:46.000 the author's new with certainty 09:46.000 --> 09:48.920 that the government would eventually turn on its own people 09:48.920 --> 09:50.340 when the law becomes unjust, 09:51.120 --> 09:52.680 the just man becomes an outlaw, 09:52.800 --> 09:54.020 when the state becomes a tyrant, 09:54.020 --> 09:55.360 the citizen becomes a soldier. 09:55.540 --> 09:57.200 Embrace it, arm yourself accordingly 09:57.200 --> 09:58.260 as the founder's intended. 09:58.960 --> 10:01.720 Stand ready to defend your life against the encroaching dark. 10:01.880 --> 10:03.720 It's the most American thing you can do. 10:04.220 --> 10:08.540 And this shouldn't be controversial from this side of things. 10:09.220 --> 10:11.400 These people have been talking about these things 10:12.020 --> 10:14.740 for decades, centuries even. 10:15.740 --> 10:18.320 And as soon as the people in power 10:18.320 --> 10:21.520 are perceived to be on their side for whatever reason, 10:22.540 --> 10:25.560 and they've essentially just swallowed this propaganda 10:26.140 --> 10:27.580 hook line and sinker, 10:27.880 --> 10:31.320 I get almost every single one of the replies to these posts 10:31.320 --> 10:32.640 are basically the same thing, 10:33.160 --> 10:35.660 accusing me of being a leftist like, 10:35.760 --> 10:38.940 oh, now you care about gun rights. 10:40.140 --> 10:42.580 Like, yeah, dude, I care about it now. 10:42.880 --> 10:43.760 I cared about it then. 10:44.540 --> 10:48.760 This is exactly like, it's baffling to me. 10:50.460 --> 10:51.980 Some of the responses to this, 10:52.040 --> 10:55.260 I had the most absurd response that I got from any of this is, 10:55.920 --> 10:58.500 of course they associate this with all the ice raids 10:58.500 --> 11:00.120 and everything, and it's within that context, 11:00.260 --> 11:00.780 so I understand. 11:02.400 --> 11:05.020 And people would say things along the lines of like, 11:05.120 --> 11:07.680 ice is serving as the sort of militia 11:07.680 --> 11:10.460 deporting these foreign criminals and looters, 11:10.780 --> 11:13.760 and the real domestic threats are the leftist 11:13.760 --> 11:17.320 sheltering the enemy as in these illegal immigrants 11:17.320 --> 11:18.560 from within. 11:19.200 --> 11:21.440 It's like, that's a pretty insane twist, 11:21.860 --> 11:24.760 but at least I sort of understand, 11:25.440 --> 11:27.540 based off of the propaganda that's come out, 11:27.940 --> 11:30.940 these are, quote, foreign invaders, whatever, 11:31.620 --> 11:35.780 ice is this sort of makeshift federal force 11:35.780 --> 11:38.400 that's gonna come in and protect us, whatever. 11:38.920 --> 11:42.460 I mean, I think that's stupid, but at least it makes sense. 11:43.220 --> 11:46.020 And I would respond to these people and be like, 11:46.080 --> 11:48.280 okay, I understand what you're saying, 11:48.400 --> 11:54.800 but this ice is exactly what the founders warned against. 11:55.420 --> 11:58.040 They're essentially confusing this, 11:58.800 --> 12:02.500 an actual federal military with a militia. 12:03.060 --> 12:06.240 There are ice is a permanent professional federal force 12:06.240 --> 12:11.600 in peacetime that is going around terrorizing people. 12:11.600 --> 12:16.380 We're seeing videos of them arresting American citizens, 12:17.300 --> 12:19.720 beating them to the ground, no accountability whatsoever. 12:20.300 --> 12:23.120 This is exactly the kind of elitist tool for tyranny 12:23.120 --> 12:26.980 that the revolutionaries fought to abolish 12:26.980 --> 12:29.620 and explicitly warned about. 12:30.520 --> 12:32.860 I mean, the founders understood 12:32.860 --> 12:35.340 that a separate armed caste 12:35.340 --> 12:38.620 inevitably becomes the enforcer of the state's will 12:38.620 --> 12:39.460 against the individual. 12:39.460 --> 12:43.820 And they despised the British's use of professional soldiers 12:43.820 --> 12:45.300 to oppress the colonies, 12:45.640 --> 12:47.160 and they would view ice, 12:48.000 --> 12:51.280 this federal police force dragging people from their homes 12:51.280 --> 12:55.440 in this peacetime, just domestically, 12:55.560 --> 12:58.660 like there's nothing going on as an abomination 12:59.460 --> 13:01.340 in praising this sort of apparatus 13:01.340 --> 13:03.040 as cheering for the very monster 13:03.040 --> 13:05.840 the Second Amendment was written to slay. 13:06.380 --> 13:08.140 Now, one guy responded to me, and it's like, 13:08.180 --> 13:09.220 well, we're not at peacetime. 13:09.380 --> 13:11.580 We're repelling a foreign invasion. 13:12.080 --> 13:14.920 And this is the most insane reply that I've ever gotten. 13:15.200 --> 13:17.700 And I read this to my wife, and we literally laughed out loud. 13:18.260 --> 13:19.740 This guy says to me, 13:20.600 --> 13:23.020 illegal aliens are the new redcoats. 13:25.740 --> 13:28.620 Only there are also fraudsters and looters 13:28.620 --> 13:30.460 who undermine our right to self-government. 13:30.560 --> 13:32.880 Every ice agent I know is a freedom-loving 13:32.880 --> 13:35.860 Second Amendment-supporting patriot. 13:37.020 --> 13:39.040 Illegal aliens are the new redcoats. 13:39.220 --> 13:41.580 It may be the most insane comment that I've seen 13:41.580 --> 13:43.660 in a very long time. 13:44.240 --> 13:48.460 Like, these people are off the rails, man. 13:49.080 --> 13:52.820 They have bought into this propaganda 13:52.820 --> 13:54.720 as much as you possibly can. 13:55.420 --> 13:57.580 And to some extent, I understand it. 13:57.820 --> 13:58.720 It's easy. 14:01.440 --> 14:04.200 I really tried to find this post from Alex Jones 14:04.200 --> 14:06.980 that he posted many months ago. 14:07.700 --> 14:10.320 But he said something, and someone replied and was like, 14:10.360 --> 14:12.980 well, Donald Trump could be compromised. 14:13.700 --> 14:15.540 And he essentially replied and was like, 14:15.560 --> 14:17.880 well, if Trump is compromised, then just all is lost. 14:18.180 --> 14:19.560 Like, that's it. We're all done. 14:21.120 --> 14:24.480 And to some extent, I understand that from his perspective. 14:24.480 --> 14:29.300 Like, he put all of his weight into this guy, Trump, 14:29.540 --> 14:30.580 who's going to come in. 14:30.940 --> 14:32.300 He's going to fix everything. 14:32.460 --> 14:33.480 He's going to disrupt it all. 14:33.580 --> 14:35.040 He's our last bastion. 14:35.700 --> 14:38.280 And if he's compromised, then we're fucked. 14:38.640 --> 14:39.980 Like, that's it. We're done. 14:40.160 --> 14:43.740 I understand the delusional optimism that that induces. 14:44.260 --> 14:49.040 Like, okay, Trump is now compromised. 14:49.620 --> 14:50.560 He was our only hope. 14:51.560 --> 14:52.840 Like, my country's gone. 14:52.840 --> 14:55.680 Like, everything that I've ever stood for is gone. 14:56.160 --> 14:57.080 It doesn't matter. 14:57.320 --> 14:58.780 We're all fucked. We're all dead. 14:59.100 --> 15:03.160 Like, it makes, I understand not wanting to fall into that. 15:03.360 --> 15:05.000 That's really dark place to be. 15:05.460 --> 15:08.100 And so I feel like a lot of people are coming from that 15:08.100 --> 15:11.920 similar space where it makes it very easy for them to 15:12.620 --> 15:15.280 buy into all the propaganda because they want to. 15:16.020 --> 15:18.100 You know, they watch the same video that we said 15:18.100 --> 15:21.320 and they're like, yeah, that's a domestic terrorist 15:21.320 --> 15:24.660 that tried to violently kill the ICE agent 15:24.980 --> 15:27.700 and he was completely justified 15:27.700 --> 15:30.000 and just murdering her on the spot. 15:30.280 --> 15:31.060 We're not murdering her. 15:31.380 --> 15:34.140 Defending himself against this terrorist. 15:34.700 --> 15:37.480 And it's like, we watched the same video 15:37.480 --> 15:43.920 and there's just not a shared foundation of facts anymore. 15:44.400 --> 15:47.380 No, people aren't living in the same reality 15:47.380 --> 15:51.860 and that's becoming very clear with this new stuff 15:51.860 --> 15:52.940 that's coming out. 15:53.100 --> 15:57.660 It's really illustrating this and it's really disheartening 15:57.660 --> 16:00.960 to see because there's a lot of people that may look 16:00.960 --> 16:02.760 like on paper, it's like, oh, you know, 16:02.820 --> 16:05.680 they seem to also be very libertarian 16:05.680 --> 16:07.520 and would agree on paper 16:07.520 --> 16:10.440 and all these different preferred policies, 16:10.440 --> 16:13.540 but they live in a completely different reality than me. 16:14.180 --> 16:16.040 And to me, that's way more distancing 16:16.040 --> 16:18.760 than someone that may still claim to be a libertarian, 16:18.840 --> 16:22.260 but is just living in this completely different world. 16:22.880 --> 16:24.660 I feel so distant from those people 16:24.660 --> 16:27.360 that even my progressive friends in real life, 16:27.580 --> 16:28.780 I feel way closer to 16:29.740 --> 16:31.560 because they're not fucking insane, 16:32.420 --> 16:35.600 even if they come to different policy conclusions. 16:36.400 --> 16:39.400 You know, and so it's, you know, 16:39.440 --> 16:40.460 I've talked for long enough here, 16:40.540 --> 16:43.080 but it's baffling to me, dude. 16:43.200 --> 16:44.200 I hate to see it. 16:44.200 --> 16:48.920 I don't know how to combat it because these people will go, 16:49.780 --> 16:51.980 will hold water and go to bat 16:51.980 --> 16:54.940 for people that don't give a fuck about them at all. 16:55.760 --> 16:57.160 You know, these people that they're defending 16:57.160 --> 16:59.560 relentlessly with their lives online 17:00.300 --> 17:02.460 would sell their lives for a nickel 17:03.020 --> 17:05.160 and they just don't, they don't get it. 17:05.400 --> 17:06.760 They cast a vote for Trump 17:06.760 --> 17:08.540 and think they're just part of the king's men. 17:09.240 --> 17:13.260 It's like, dude, no, this dude would shoot you 17:13.260 --> 17:15.100 in the middle of the street if he wanted to 17:15.100 --> 17:16.640 and he wouldn't lose any supporters. 17:17.340 --> 17:18.000 Yeah, exactly. 17:19.040 --> 17:19.940 It's not stupid. 17:20.220 --> 17:21.500 I just, I can't even. 17:22.320 --> 17:23.820 Yeah, you know, it's such a, 17:24.960 --> 17:28.180 it's fascinating, but it's fascinating in a morbid way 17:28.180 --> 17:31.020 and I say that as like a lifelong student of psychology 17:31.020 --> 17:35.640 of like sort of having spent so much time 17:35.640 --> 17:38.160 trying to like understand the machinations 17:38.160 --> 17:40.640 of the human brain and the functionalities of it at all 17:40.640 --> 17:45.360 and just like to see all of this take place. 17:45.480 --> 17:46.660 It's very much like you said, 17:46.720 --> 17:48.740 it's like we have people who are literally living 17:48.740 --> 17:51.240 in separate realities 17:51.240 --> 17:54.660 and it sort of reminds me of what was talked about 17:54.660 --> 17:57.080 a few years ago, I believe it was some sort of concept 17:57.080 --> 17:59.640 that was being promoted by like the WEF 17:59.640 --> 18:02.020 and you know, all these like New World Order 18:02.020 --> 18:04.700 globalist shitheads about a quote unquote 18:04.700 --> 18:08.020 post-truth world and I very much think that we're, 18:08.020 --> 18:09.540 if not on the cusp of that, we're there 18:09.540 --> 18:12.040 especially with AI and all of the, 18:12.040 --> 18:13.980 you know, the fakeness going around 18:13.980 --> 18:15.340 even with the whole Renate Good thing, 18:15.340 --> 18:17.660 there were like a number of fake pictures 18:17.660 --> 18:20.540 and videos that got spread that just caught, 18:20.880 --> 18:22.380 you know, viral fire. 18:22.840 --> 18:26.700 But when it comes to like what's going on currently 18:26.700 --> 18:29.500 and obviously it's been going on for a long time 18:29.500 --> 18:31.880 not even just the last 10 years with the 18:31.880 --> 18:35.740 rise of Trump's particular cult of personality 18:35.740 --> 18:37.740 and like brand of political cultism 18:37.740 --> 18:40.400 because obviously, you know, all of us here 18:40.400 --> 18:43.220 being anti-statists, we all recognize that the state 18:43.220 --> 18:44.780 in and of itself is a cult 18:44.780 --> 18:47.020 and has been for the last 6,000 plus years 18:47.020 --> 18:47.740 of human history. 18:49.260 --> 18:52.700 But so I think it's, 18:53.320 --> 18:55.360 and then what I want to get your take on here 18:55.360 --> 18:58.880 is with this, the last 20 so plus years 18:58.880 --> 19:00.660 of social media 19:00.660 --> 19:03.300 and the way that these 19:04.040 --> 19:06.020 algorithms have been developed 19:06.020 --> 19:08.120 because I was just reminded of this 19:08.120 --> 19:10.320 of this yesterday when I saw a post 19:10.320 --> 19:13.260 I think it was by Alex Zeck actually 19:13.260 --> 19:16.440 who had mentioned that people have to keep in mind 19:16.440 --> 19:19.400 that the way these social media algorithms are designed 19:19.400 --> 19:22.360 is to specifically put people in feedback loops 19:22.360 --> 19:24.060 of the most extreme versions 19:24.060 --> 19:27.240 of the biases that they're already experiencing 19:27.240 --> 19:30.280 to sort of create this clash between 19:31.380 --> 19:34.700 ideologies and, you know, flare up all of this stuff 19:34.700 --> 19:37.520 and seeing that you work with technology and things 19:37.520 --> 19:40.400 that I very much like to get your input 19:40.400 --> 19:45.000 on the ways in which social media manipulation 19:45.000 --> 19:48.780 has specifically gone into creating 19:48.780 --> 19:51.680 these insanely 19:52.420 --> 19:54.560 diametrically opposed false perspectives 19:54.560 --> 19:56.080 on either side of these things 19:56.080 --> 19:58.900 because I mean we have people, not going to drop names 19:58.900 --> 20:00.980 but there are people that I'm close to 20:00.980 --> 20:04.460 that I have had to try to wake up 20:04.460 --> 20:06.600 unfortunately to no avail that I'm like dog 20:06.600 --> 20:09.000 you in last summer 20:09.000 --> 20:11.960 you were supporting putting human beings 20:11.960 --> 20:14.020 in a fucking concentration camp 20:14.020 --> 20:15.520 surrounded by alligators 20:15.520 --> 20:17.760 you're not seeing any problem 20:17.760 --> 20:20.980 with an American citizen that just got shot in the face 20:20.980 --> 20:23.280 what is like to 20:23.280 --> 20:26.080 again the psychology student in me is like 20:26.080 --> 20:27.740 how does your brain work 20:27.740 --> 20:32.000 to think that any of what is going on right now 20:32.000 --> 20:33.720 is okay 20:33.720 --> 20:36.460 but aside from that like I said 20:36.460 --> 20:39.420 your perspective on the way that social media 20:39.420 --> 20:42.360 and algorithmic manipulation has specifically played into 20:42.360 --> 20:45.120 facilitating these sorts of cults 20:45.120 --> 20:46.360 so 20:46.360 --> 20:49.520 let me tell you a little story here 20:49.520 --> 20:50.200 so 20:50.740 --> 20:53.620 back when I was in the army 20:53.620 --> 20:56.180 I was bored as fuck 20:56.180 --> 20:59.240 I didn't have much to do 20:59.240 --> 21:01.160 I didn't feel good about being there 21:02.040 --> 21:04.360 and I didn't experiment 21:04.360 --> 21:06.780 I wanted to see 21:06.780 --> 21:09.280 if I could 21:10.560 --> 21:12.080 grow a 21:12.080 --> 21:14.560 Twitter account organically 21:15.520 --> 21:17.140 doing something that I 21:17.140 --> 21:18.840 knew nothing about 21:18.840 --> 21:21.200 and so this would be more of a test 21:21.200 --> 21:22.700 to see 21:22.700 --> 21:26.380 if I was actually good at growing social media 21:26.380 --> 21:28.220 or if I was just good at talking about 21:28.960 --> 21:30.060 libertarian shit 21:30.700 --> 21:32.500 and I thought okay what's so 21:33.260 --> 21:35.740 far from what I already know 21:35.740 --> 21:36.760 that I could choose 21:36.760 --> 21:40.240 that I'm even diametrically opposed to 21:40.240 --> 21:41.360 that would really test that 21:41.360 --> 21:42.860 and I was like oh 21:42.860 --> 21:44.500 like Nazi shit 21:44.500 --> 21:47.880 and a lot of people didn't like this 21:47.880 --> 21:50.720 but I went out of my way to try and grow 21:50.720 --> 21:53.780 like an anonymous neo-Nazi account 21:53.780 --> 21:54.940 it didn't last for very long 21:54.940 --> 21:56.800 and I wasn't very successful 21:57.580 --> 21:59.520 but it got banned 21:59.520 --> 22:01.620 and then when Elon took over that account 22:01.620 --> 22:03.640 or took over the website 22:03.640 --> 22:05.660 I got the account unbanned 22:06.600 --> 22:09.080 and now it's become very useful 22:09.080 --> 22:11.120 as a 22:11.920 --> 22:13.940 eye into that side of the internet 22:14.680 --> 22:16.580 and so I'll go on that account 22:16.580 --> 22:18.780 and scroll through and it's a completely different Twitter 22:18.780 --> 22:20.440 like completely different 22:20.440 --> 22:23.920 like you don't realize how many 22:23.920 --> 22:27.460 full-on Nazis there are on Twitter 22:27.460 --> 22:28.300 not just like 22:28.300 --> 22:30.600 oh I care about white people 22:30.600 --> 22:32.600 like no like Hitler 22:32.600 --> 22:34.560 was a good man 22:34.560 --> 22:36.520 who tried to do good things 22:36.520 --> 22:39.220 and the global elite didn't like that 22:39.220 --> 22:40.740 and killed him 22:40.740 --> 22:43.740 with tens of thousands of likes 22:43.740 --> 22:45.440 every single day 22:45.440 --> 22:47.180 and if I go on that account 22:47.180 --> 22:48.660 it shows it 22:49.180 --> 22:51.280 it's a constant feed of 22:51.280 --> 22:53.100 just that all day 22:53.100 --> 22:54.280 every day 22:54.990 --> 22:57.300 I don't see anything else 22:57.300 --> 22:58.960 that's terrible 22:58.960 --> 22:59.820 it's crazy 22:59.820 --> 23:02.040 I've shown some people in person 23:02.040 --> 23:03.480 of what the timeline looks like 23:03.480 --> 23:04.540 and it's nuts 23:04.830 --> 23:06.040 it's so disheartening 23:06.930 --> 23:08.540 and that's exactly what we're seeing 23:08.540 --> 23:10.660 but with everybody's own 23:11.180 --> 23:13.080 ideology and groups 23:13.920 --> 23:14.700 and 23:14.700 --> 23:17.820 this is exactly how it continues to get 23:17.820 --> 23:19.180 perpetuated 23:19.630 --> 23:21.460 and now we're seeing 23:22.820 --> 23:25.060 the actual administration 23:25.060 --> 23:26.100 feed into it 23:26.700 --> 23:29.180 when that ice shooting happened 23:29.700 --> 23:31.680 almost immediately 23:31.680 --> 23:32.860 I mean within 23:33.680 --> 23:36.860 within like ten minutes of that video coming out 23:36.860 --> 23:38.480 and starting to go viral 23:38.480 --> 23:41.420 the president, the vice president 23:41.420 --> 23:43.400 the DHS secretary 23:43.400 --> 23:45.080 I think also 23:45.080 --> 23:46.500 Pam Bondi 23:47.090 --> 23:49.080 they all came out and immediately 23:49.080 --> 23:51.720 just towed the exact line 23:51.720 --> 23:52.660 in that direction of 23:53.400 --> 23:55.160 this was a domestic terrorist 23:55.160 --> 23:56.720 who hated America 23:57.370 --> 23:59.700 who deliberately tried to run over 23:59.700 --> 24:00.540 an ice agent 24:00.540 --> 24:02.380 who was just trying to do 24:02.380 --> 24:04.820 his job to protect 24:05.170 --> 24:06.840 America from Ford and invaders 24:06.840 --> 24:08.440 and he had no choice 24:08.440 --> 24:11.300 but to shoot her to save his own life 24:11.300 --> 24:13.160 and he's currently in the hospital 24:13.160 --> 24:15.040 and we don't even know if he'll be able to make it 24:15.040 --> 24:17.180 and it's like that's 24:18.080 --> 24:19.600 like they said that 24:20.400 --> 24:21.840 immediately and you know 24:22.380 --> 24:23.820 they didn't see the video 24:23.820 --> 24:25.820 they didn't see this, they didn't do their due diligence 24:25.820 --> 24:27.560 of figuring out what actually happened 24:28.120 --> 24:29.180 they couldn't have 24:29.180 --> 24:30.820 it just fucking happened 24:31.480 --> 24:32.480 and of course 24:33.020 --> 24:34.240 all of the pundits 24:34.240 --> 24:35.840 all of the chills 24:36.600 --> 24:38.500 echo all of this out 24:38.500 --> 24:39.780 and so immediately 24:40.620 --> 24:42.580 your boomer dad, your gen X 24:42.580 --> 24:43.480 dad, whatever 24:44.080 --> 24:45.380 fox news grandpa 24:46.360 --> 24:48.620 you know they all see this and they go yep 24:48.620 --> 24:50.800 that's already what I think 24:50.800 --> 24:53.400 and this feeds into exactly 24:53.400 --> 24:55.480 what I want to be the case 24:55.480 --> 24:57.100 and this is my president 24:57.100 --> 24:59.500 and this is coming from official channels 24:59.500 --> 25:01.340 which they seem to care about 25:01.340 --> 25:02.920 now for some reason 25:04.020 --> 25:04.540 and 25:05.280 --> 25:07.140 it just spreads and spreads 25:07.140 --> 25:09.320 and now that's the narrative 25:09.320 --> 25:11.220 and you know that none of them saw it 25:11.220 --> 25:13.320 because I forget exactly 25:13.320 --> 25:15.060 who asked Trump 25:15.060 --> 25:17.420 but he responded and he was like oh yeah 25:17.420 --> 25:19.520 seeing that video like it's really sad 25:19.520 --> 25:21.400 you know that she got shot 25:21.400 --> 25:22.480 and you know that's terrible 25:23.120 --> 25:25.360 it's like dude you changed your tone immediately 25:25.360 --> 25:26.380 when you saw it 25:26.380 --> 25:29.200 because you didn't see it before you said something 25:29.200 --> 25:31.480 and this is exactly how 25:31.480 --> 25:33.580 and like I was saying 25:33.580 --> 25:35.260 now the administration 25:35.260 --> 25:36.760 is feeding into it themselves 25:36.760 --> 25:39.080 this is what is exacerbating it 25:39.080 --> 25:39.880 even more 25:39.880 --> 25:43.060 you know say what you will 25:43.060 --> 25:44.940 about past administrations but like 25:44.940 --> 25:46.060 Obama wouldn't have 25:46.060 --> 25:48.200 gone on social media 25:48.200 --> 25:49.780 within 10 minutes 25:49.780 --> 25:52.580 and just fed into propaganda that 25:52.580 --> 25:54.940 we could see with our own eyes 25:54.940 --> 25:57.060 like it's not like he's just 25:57.060 --> 25:58.380 making something up 25:58.380 --> 26:00.700 that like only he has access to 26:00.700 --> 26:01.920 we can all see this 26:01.920 --> 26:03.660 and they're just saying 26:03.660 --> 26:06.180 the exact opposite right in front of us 26:06.180 --> 26:07.820 but you would think would 26:07.820 --> 26:09.780 get people to be like okay 26:09.780 --> 26:11.180 this doesn't seem right 26:11.820 --> 26:12.980 the problem is 26:12.980 --> 26:15.640 is that this Trump 26:15.640 --> 26:17.860 cult of personality is something like 26:17.860 --> 26:19.040 I've never seen before 26:19.780 --> 26:21.700 he knows that there are millions 26:21.700 --> 26:22.900 upon millions of people 26:23.620 --> 26:25.760 that are so 26:25.760 --> 26:27.920 deluded into believing 26:27.920 --> 26:29.900 everything that he says 26:30.480 --> 26:31.840 that he could say 26:31.840 --> 26:33.900 the exact opposite of what they see 26:33.900 --> 26:36.400 right in front of them and they will defend it 26:37.100 --> 26:37.640 relentlessly 26:38.840 --> 26:40.180 and I think 26:40.180 --> 26:42.240 that's why he's just been so openly 26:42.240 --> 26:44.380 corrupt with everything this time around 26:44.380 --> 26:46.320 because he knows there will be millions 26:46.320 --> 26:47.640 of people that will defend it 26:47.640 --> 26:49.440 so he doesn't even pretend 26:49.440 --> 26:51.900 if he can just be corrupt openly 26:51.900 --> 26:53.980 then people will openly defend 26:53.980 --> 26:54.620 corruption 26:54.620 --> 26:56.760 when if he were to try to hide it 26:56.760 --> 26:58.380 he would just you know lie 26:58.380 --> 27:00.500 and the people would defend those lies 27:01.060 --> 27:02.400 but now it's like okay 27:02.400 --> 27:03.780 now they're just getting 27:03.780 --> 27:05.860 they're defending him 27:06.420 --> 27:07.780 with blatant corruption 27:08.560 --> 27:10.460 and I think that's working to his advantage 27:10.460 --> 27:12.040 and we're seeing this happen in real time 27:12.040 --> 27:14.020 that people are just denying reality outright 27:14.760 --> 27:15.760 they really are man 27:15.760 --> 27:18.980 and it's so disheartening to watch it unfold 27:18.980 --> 27:20.280 I mean 27:21.200 --> 27:22.440 you were saying how the 27:22.440 --> 27:24.560 you know they said he was hospitalized 27:25.380 --> 27:26.940 Ross or whatever his name is 27:26.940 --> 27:29.000 and then three days later 27:29.000 --> 27:31.160 they have the gall and audacity to say 27:31.160 --> 27:33.340 that he was suffering from internal bleeding 27:33.340 --> 27:35.420 when there was clear video 27:35.420 --> 27:36.560 of the dude walking around 27:37.700 --> 27:38.240 angrily 27:38.240 --> 27:40.440 with zero injuries whatsoever 27:41.200 --> 27:42.580 he had absolutely 27:42.580 --> 27:43.860 nothing wrong with them 27:43.860 --> 27:46.200 and that cognitive dissonance 27:46.200 --> 27:48.740 you had Angela McCartle tweeting out to him 27:48.740 --> 27:49.960 like oh I really hope he's okay 27:49.960 --> 27:52.640 and what are you doing supporting this 27:52.640 --> 27:54.500 when he shot a fucking lady in the face 27:54.500 --> 27:56.460 and it's clear that he is okay 27:56.460 --> 27:58.440 this is propaganda and lies 27:58.440 --> 28:00.520 and yeah man people are eating it up 28:00.520 --> 28:01.960 left and right and some 28:02.640 --> 28:04.540 libertarians are jumping on the bandwagon too 28:04.540 --> 28:06.160 I don't know what it is 28:06.160 --> 28:08.600 it's like the cognitive dissonance right now 28:08.600 --> 28:09.160 is staggering 28:09.160 --> 28:12.360 like what you just said earlier 28:12.360 --> 28:14.820 like people think that the fucking immigrants are the red coats 28:14.820 --> 28:16.760 you gotta be kidding me dude 28:16.760 --> 28:18.740 like Carlos next door to my house 28:18.740 --> 28:20.100 putting a new roof on to my neighbors 28:20.100 --> 28:21.820 you know like he's the fucking enemy combat 28:21.820 --> 28:23.880 right like we need ice over here 28:23.880 --> 28:25.840 to rip him off the roof and fucking throw him in a cage 28:25.840 --> 28:28.120 so he doesn't do harm to this community 28:28.120 --> 28:30.100 but if they do take him 28:30.100 --> 28:31.480 no one else puts roofs on around here 28:31.480 --> 28:34.140 but like I think 28:34.140 --> 28:35.620 the mask really slipped this week 28:36.240 --> 28:37.720 when Trump was photographed 28:38.400 --> 28:39.920 at that rally 28:39.920 --> 28:41.260 he went to at a Ford plant 28:41.260 --> 28:44.300 and some blue collar worker like yelled out at him 28:44.300 --> 28:46.060 you know like you're a pedophile protector 28:46.060 --> 28:48.220 whatever and Trump flipped 28:48.220 --> 28:50.360 him off and I mean that moment right there 28:50.360 --> 28:51.700 was like just 28:51.700 --> 28:53.920 an eye-opening historical moment 28:53.920 --> 28:55.800 where the president of the United States 28:55.800 --> 28:57.340 is flipping off a blue collar worker 28:57.340 --> 28:58.680 because the blue collar worker 28:59.240 --> 29:01.640 called him a pedophile protector 29:02.040 --> 29:03.960 and I mean that guy's made like 29:03.960 --> 29:06.120 I saw something this morning like $700,000 29:06.120 --> 29:08.140 whatever already on a go fund me 29:08.140 --> 29:09.700 so I'm sure he's glad he did that 29:10.180 --> 29:11.960 but I posted 29:11.960 --> 29:14.000 that on X and I got 29:14.000 --> 29:16.440 all the magas in my comments talking about how 29:16.440 --> 29:18.460 yeah Trump owned that communist 29:18.460 --> 29:20.200 you know he's a communist as if 29:20.200 --> 29:21.300 as if 29:21.960 --> 29:24.500 like wanting to arrest pedophiles is somehow 29:24.500 --> 29:25.140 Marxist 29:25.140 --> 29:28.140 like but I mean it's really just 29:28.140 --> 29:31.000 that just shows what the regime thinks of the working class 29:31.000 --> 29:32.300 it's not they're not Marxist 29:32.300 --> 29:34.400 they're not communist but all these people are eating it up 29:34.400 --> 29:36.000 but back to 29:36.000 --> 29:37.640 like ICE in Minnesota 29:37.640 --> 29:38.300 you know 29:39.960 --> 29:42.200 that quote you said by somebody 29:42.200 --> 29:44.420 calling them redcoats to immigrants 29:44.420 --> 29:46.200 redcoats like it's completely 29:46.200 --> 29:48.720 the opposite of that right the real invaders 29:48.720 --> 29:49.500 are the people 29:49.500 --> 29:52.420 the ICE agents on the ground they are 29:52.420 --> 29:54.900 the standing army that our forefathers warned us about 29:54.900 --> 29:55.700 and 29:56.360 --> 29:58.300 these people that are supporting them 29:58.300 --> 30:00.500 they're like yeah we got to get the criminals off the street 30:00.500 --> 30:02.280 and they don't they don't understand 30:02.280 --> 30:04.500 that 75% of these people that they're 30:04.500 --> 30:06.380 rounding up have no criminal record 30:06.380 --> 30:08.200 and and many of them have been here for 30:08.200 --> 30:09.960 decades and many of them 30:09.960 --> 30:11.540 have been born here 30:11.540 --> 30:13.360 I read a story the other day 30:13.360 --> 30:15.340 one of these people didn't even speak Spanish 30:15.340 --> 30:15.940 and they were 30:15.940 --> 30:19.460 exporting out of the country you know like that's 30:19.460 --> 30:21.520 that's crazy to me that's cruel and it's 30:21.520 --> 30:23.420 inhumane and and people are 30:23.420 --> 30:24.540 just like 30:24.540 --> 30:27.440 chomping at the bit and foaming at the mouths to keep 30:27.440 --> 30:29.200 supporting this shit it's 30:29.200 --> 30:31.100 it's wild to me man and 30:31.100 --> 30:32.920 they're you know like yeah 30:32.920 --> 30:35.320 the second amendment activists right 30:35.320 --> 30:37.320 they're like yeah we need our second amendment rights 30:37.320 --> 30:39.380 well this is this is kind of like 30:39.380 --> 30:41.020 a moment you know for for a second 30:41.020 --> 30:42.860 amendment activists to stand up especially 30:43.300 --> 30:45.180 with another video that happened this week 30:45.180 --> 30:46.820 where an American citizen 30:47.380 --> 30:49.180 was detained by ICE he looked a little 30:49.180 --> 30:51.340 Latino so they naturally they just snatched 30:51.340 --> 30:53.360 him off the fucking street threw him against the car 30:53.360 --> 30:55.420 and started searching him and then they slandered 30:55.420 --> 30:57.480 him saying well he was carrying a weapon but he had 30:57.480 --> 30:59.300 every right to carry a weapon because he's 30:59.300 --> 31:01.240 an American citizen and he wasn't breaking the law 31:01.240 --> 31:02.740 but they disarmed him anyway 31:03.320 --> 31:05.220 and I saw so many people on the right 31:05.220 --> 31:06.660 cheering this on and it was 31:06.660 --> 31:08.520 again very disheartening 31:09.100 --> 31:10.720 you know when when the 31:10.720 --> 31:12.640 government can just go around in the streets to 31:12.640 --> 31:14.780 and disarm people like that's something 31:14.780 --> 31:16.620 that we need to be speaking about like the 31:16.620 --> 31:18.660 right wing needs to come out and say 31:19.260 --> 31:20.880 we should not be standing 31:20.880 --> 31:22.700 for this right now we we needed you know 31:22.700 --> 31:25.640 but it's the opposite they're doing the exact opposite 31:25.640 --> 31:27.080 and it's fucking scary like 31:27.080 --> 31:28.700 I I have never seen 31:29.300 --> 31:30.700 the amount of 31:30.700 --> 31:32.300 like this 31:32.300 --> 31:34.640 mental illness this this festering in the 31:34.640 --> 31:36.640 right right now that doesn't allow them 31:36.640 --> 31:38.220 to see the crimes of their own party like 31:38.220 --> 31:40.180 like the left did during covid 31:40.180 --> 31:42.000 but this is even worse I mean 31:42.440 --> 31:44.740 like when they're cheering on somebody getting disarmed 31:44.740 --> 31:47.120 in the street at least it was understandable 31:47.120 --> 31:48.240 when there's 31:49.180 --> 31:50.620 like everyone's getting sick 31:50.620 --> 31:52.620 and dying you know maybe 31:52.620 --> 31:54.580 it's overblown but at least it's a little more 31:54.580 --> 31:56.520 understandable it's like hey guys I don't want to 31:56.520 --> 31:58.560 get I don't want to die and get sick just wear 31:58.560 --> 32:00.300 mask or something it's like 32:00.300 --> 32:02.640 yeah absolutely went 32:02.640 --> 32:04.940 totally overboard with that for sure 32:04.940 --> 32:06.900 but at least that's 32:06.900 --> 32:08.540 that's that this whole 32:08.540 --> 32:10.760 thing about immigrants are destroying our 32:10.760 --> 32:12.500 fucking country is 32:12.500 --> 32:14.720 is insane like it's first of all 32:14.720 --> 32:16.520 it's just not true like 32:16.520 --> 32:18.740 the the the amount of 32:18.740 --> 32:20.000 violent offenders 32:20.380 --> 32:22.480 amongst immigrants per capita 32:22.480 --> 32:24.840 is much smaller percentage 32:24.840 --> 32:26.420 than actual U.S. citizens 32:26.420 --> 32:27.780 it's not about that 32:28.420 --> 32:30.240 you know just going off the rails 32:30.240 --> 32:32.180 I mean dude there are 32:32.180 --> 32:34.300 there there are plenty of criminals who are here 32:34.300 --> 32:36.060 illegally and they've done some bad things 32:36.060 --> 32:38.040 and they get highlighted 32:38.040 --> 32:40.140 every time they do those bad things and it's all over 32:40.140 --> 32:42.520 the news media everywhere you know libs of tiktok 32:42.520 --> 32:44.140 just plaster their shit everywhere 32:44.140 --> 32:45.020 but 32:46.500 --> 32:48.320 it's it's not as common as people think 32:48.320 --> 32:50.200 but like yeah I think covid you know 32:50.200 --> 32:52.180 there was a pandemic right right off the 32:52.180 --> 32:54.240 bat and everybody thought that it was it was kind of 32:54.240 --> 32:56.000 scary right when it first started so I could see 32:56.000 --> 32:58.300 that that might give somebody 32:58.300 --> 33:00.420 a little bit more pause and a little bit more fear but 33:00.420 --> 33:02.520 I think like what you just said earlier 33:02.520 --> 33:04.280 about how this administration 33:04.280 --> 33:06.280 is is like pouring gas 33:06.280 --> 33:08.340 on the fire basically with this hatred 33:08.340 --> 33:10.460 that they're spewing out like without 33:10.460 --> 33:12.320 like what trump did without even watching the 33:12.320 --> 33:14.400 video he called her he called rene good 33:14.400 --> 33:16.460 a domestic terrorist and who was trying 33:16.460 --> 33:18.380 to kill an ice agent and and to come 33:18.380 --> 33:20.260 away from that video watching that that she was 33:20.260 --> 33:22.120 trying to kill him and she was a domestic terror 33:22.120 --> 33:24.400 yes she was some asshole liberal woman who 33:24.400 --> 33:26.320 was fucking trying to like get 33:26.320 --> 33:28.800 in the way of ice and and yell at people 33:28.800 --> 33:30.120 and block traffic and all that like 33:30.120 --> 33:32.220 yes that's the truth it's called civil 33:32.220 --> 33:34.280 disobedience exactly she could be 33:34.280 --> 33:36.920 right right and and you can have you can 33:36.920 --> 33:38.340 disagree with her on that but does that 33:38.340 --> 33:39.980 mean she should die have some fucking 33:39.980 --> 33:41.880 literally not dude I mean 33:41.880 --> 33:44.020 how do we even begin to 33:44.020 --> 33:46.640 deprogram people who are so blinded 33:46.640 --> 33:47.900 by this partisan loyalty 33:47.900 --> 33:50.360 that they accept the state murdering 33:50.360 --> 33:52.420 citizens so long as the right people 33:52.420 --> 33:54.480 are in charge well see 33:54.480 --> 33:55.740 this problem it's 33:56.480 --> 33:58.300 a good example of 33:58.300 --> 33:59.820 throwing gasoline on the fire 34:00.480 --> 34:02.260 is the when Charlie Kirk 34:02.260 --> 34:04.360 died I mean immediately before 34:04.360 --> 34:06.400 anybody knew anything about the who 34:06.400 --> 34:08.440 shot him no one even knew 34:08.440 --> 34:10.120 who shot him you know for days 34:10.120 --> 34:12.280 yep immediately it was like it's 34:12.280 --> 34:13.740 a it's a violent leftist 34:14.300 --> 34:16.440 the democrats of the party of murder 34:16.440 --> 34:18.340 I mean Elon musk said 34:18.340 --> 34:20.040 that the 34:20.040 --> 34:22.500 president said 34:22.500 --> 34:24.740 just as much and it's 34:24.740 --> 34:26.480 they have the audacity 34:26.480 --> 34:28.580 to be like this is the left's 34:28.580 --> 34:30.500 fault for calling us fascists 34:30.500 --> 34:32.560 they need to tone down 34:32.560 --> 34:34.560 the rhetoric it's like 34:34.560 --> 34:36.480 dude tone your own rhetoric 34:36.480 --> 34:38.240 down I mean my god 34:38.240 --> 34:40.000 like you're painting 34:40.500 --> 34:42.420 100 million plus 34:42.420 --> 34:44.380 people of this country as 34:44.380 --> 34:46.660 like enemy combatants 34:46.660 --> 34:48.740 traders terrorists 34:48.740 --> 34:50.740 that deserve to die 34:50.740 --> 34:51.680 like you 34:52.420 --> 34:54.680 like this this isn't okay like you 34:54.680 --> 34:56.180 don't don't tell them to 34:56.580 --> 34:58.000 tone their rhetoric down if you're gonna 34:58.560 --> 35:00.700 like a fish like the president of the 35:00.700 --> 35:02.600 United States you can't get any higher than that 35:03.160 --> 35:03.940 talking about 35:04.680 --> 35:06.500 oh the democrats the party of murder 35:06.500 --> 35:08.360 that I I didn't see a single 35:09.120 --> 35:10.160 actual elected 35:10.700 --> 35:11.720 democrat official 35:12.380 --> 35:14.120 praise the murder of Charlie Kirk 35:14.740 --> 35:15.900 like of course there were 35:16.480 --> 35:18.700 a bunch of just regular 35:18.700 --> 35:20.180 people that did 35:20.700 --> 35:22.580 so what people do 35:22.580 --> 35:23.960 dumb shit all the time 35:24.700 --> 35:26.220 you see actual sitting 35:27.160 --> 35:27.800 congressman 35:28.440 --> 35:30.500 president the vice president all this 35:30.500 --> 35:32.360 in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk 35:32.360 --> 35:33.460 calling 35:34.880 --> 35:36.940 democrats the party of murder 35:36.940 --> 35:38.800 like there's a difference 35:38.800 --> 35:39.780 in degree here 35:39.780 --> 35:42.420 and people try to equate the two 35:42.420 --> 35:44.340 it's like no dude just 35:44.340 --> 35:46.360 tone tone the damn rhetoric down but 35:46.360 --> 35:48.480 it works in their favor 35:49.240 --> 35:49.720 because 35:50.200 --> 35:52.060 just like when this ice thing happened 35:52.060 --> 35:53.720 they just need to come out 35:54.300 --> 35:56.280 tell exactly the narrative they're trying to 35:56.280 --> 35:58.440 push and everyone will just push it 35:58.440 --> 36:00.400 for them and 36:01.160 --> 36:02.320 it's a it's a huge 36:02.320 --> 36:03.920 problem and and 36:05.200 --> 36:06.160 I to 36:06.160 --> 36:08.160 to compare to the covid stuff 36:08.160 --> 36:10.320 the post that I read earlier about the 36:10.320 --> 36:12.500 second amendment that I put out you know how many people 36:12.500 --> 36:14.360 went in the comments and tagged the FBI 36:14.360 --> 36:15.740 and we're like 36:16.340 --> 36:18.400 here's a guy threatening to shoot 36:18.400 --> 36:19.360 cops or whatever 36:19.900 --> 36:22.560 like we need to look into them you need to be put in jail 36:22.560 --> 36:23.940 like you know 36:23.940 --> 36:25.540 cash Patel 36:25.540 --> 36:26.800 tagging the FBI 36:27.680 --> 36:29.400 it's like dude do you 36:29.400 --> 36:31.920 you have no self-awareness at all 36:31.920 --> 36:34.380 like this is exactly what 36:35.220 --> 36:36.020 progressives did 36:36.020 --> 36:36.980 during covid 36:36.980 --> 36:39.700 look at this person not wearing a mask 36:39.700 --> 36:40.980 here's to call the FBI 36:41.680 --> 36:43.520 like oh we need the second amendment 36:43.520 --> 36:45.040 to defend ourselves against 36:45.040 --> 36:47.640 the state police that are showing up 36:47.640 --> 36:48.900 to keep us locked in our homes 36:48.900 --> 36:50.120 tag the FBI 36:50.800 --> 36:52.880 it's the exact same thing 36:53.460 --> 36:54.260 they're just 36:54.980 --> 36:56.720 they've just got the 36:56.720 --> 36:58.700 you know right wing aesthetic instead 36:59.400 --> 37:01.300 it's the exact same impulse 37:01.900 --> 37:02.800 and it's 37:02.800 --> 37:04.880 I saw a clip the other day 37:05.680 --> 37:06.240 where 37:06.820 --> 37:09.360 someone was talking to you know one of these like 37:09.360 --> 37:11.380 super radicalized right wingers 37:11.380 --> 37:13.280 that's like the biggest problem 37:13.280 --> 37:15.340 in America is that there's just way too 37:15.340 --> 37:16.780 many illegals and blah blah blah 37:17.190 --> 37:18.740 they're like okay so 37:19.150 --> 37:20.040 we deport them all 37:20.040 --> 37:22.220 in this hypothetical 37:23.130 --> 37:24.960 the state comes in they deport 37:24.960 --> 37:27.180 all of the illegal immigrants they're gone 37:27.180 --> 37:28.200 now what 37:28.200 --> 37:30.320 and the guy was speechless 37:31.000 --> 37:33.000 it's like well you know then 37:33.000 --> 37:35.280 then everything's just better like the cut 37:35.280 --> 37:36.200 and it's like what do you mean 37:36.200 --> 37:38.280 we just get rid of all these people 37:38.280 --> 37:40.080 and then all of a sudden the country is just better 37:40.080 --> 37:41.500 like what are you talking about 37:41.500 --> 37:42.820 what are you proposing here 37:42.820 --> 37:44.800 anything to say 37:45.300 --> 37:46.640 because there's nothing there 37:47.200 --> 37:50.020 it's this easy impulse 37:50.020 --> 37:51.940 to just find a scapegoat 37:51.940 --> 37:54.020 blame them for all of the problems 37:54.800 --> 37:56.540 and then go with that full force 37:57.480 --> 37:57.960 and 37:58.660 --> 37:59.720 that's really easy 37:59.720 --> 38:01.320 for people to do and I 38:01.320 --> 38:04.060 you know I understand my people do it 38:04.060 --> 38:05.580 and this is the 38:05.580 --> 38:07.260 this is the same thing 38:07.260 --> 38:08.800 this is the same Nazi Germany 38:08.800 --> 38:12.200 all of our problems are because of Jewish people 38:12.200 --> 38:13.640 get rid of them 38:13.640 --> 38:15.140 and everything will be great 38:15.140 --> 38:16.160 that's all we need 38:16.160 --> 38:18.280 and it's the same thing coming around 38:18.280 --> 38:20.900 it's the immigrants of the problem 38:20.900 --> 38:22.200 get rid of them everything's great 38:23.280 --> 38:25.140 yeah I was just about to 38:25.140 --> 38:27.960 make that very same comparison 38:27.960 --> 38:30.560 especially because of what you had mentioned earlier 38:30.560 --> 38:31.760 with the 38:31.760 --> 38:33.880 your sort of social media 38:33.880 --> 38:35.840 social experiment with the Nazi accounts 38:35.840 --> 38:37.740 and everything and it's like 38:37.740 --> 38:39.880 not only is it 38:39.880 --> 38:42.480 especially but also considering the Charlie Kirk thing 38:42.480 --> 38:44.220 they're like oh well this is what happens 38:44.220 --> 38:45.660 when they constantly call us Nazis 38:45.660 --> 38:48.020 but now we look 38:48.020 --> 38:49.940 at the fucking official accounts 38:49.940 --> 38:51.600 of the White House 38:51.600 --> 38:52.820 and DHS 38:53.630 --> 38:55.300 and Department of State 38:55.300 --> 38:56.940 literally posting 38:58.040 --> 38:58.660 slogans 38:58.660 --> 39:00.420 and like 39:00.420 --> 39:01.620 propaganda pieces 39:01.620 --> 39:02.760 that are 39:03.520 --> 39:06.060 copy-paste Nazi propaganda 39:06.560 --> 39:08.660 and using like neo-fascist slogans 39:08.660 --> 39:10.480 it's like well if you don't want us to call you a Nazi 39:10.480 --> 39:13.120 stop behaving like a fucking Nazi 39:13.120 --> 39:14.420 yeah they don't care 39:14.420 --> 39:16.860 they want they want people to do that 39:16.860 --> 39:18.600 because they give them the fuel 39:18.600 --> 39:20.580 to go look they're calling us 39:20.580 --> 39:22.700 Nazis they want us to die 39:22.700 --> 39:24.440 we have full reign 39:24.440 --> 39:25.900 to do whatever we want to them 39:25.900 --> 39:27.900 it's like a technocratic right stock 39:27.900 --> 39:29.060 fire honestly 39:29.580 --> 39:31.280 yes absolutely 39:31.900 --> 39:33.800 and it's it feeds into 39:33.800 --> 39:35.320 a little bit of what I was talking about before 39:35.320 --> 39:38.120 where they know that there's going to be 39:38.120 --> 39:39.920 these couple million people 39:39.920 --> 39:40.540 that will 39:40.540 --> 39:43.560 that are just absolutely insane that will 39:43.560 --> 39:44.660 defend everything 39:44.660 --> 39:47.320 and so they have 39:47.900 --> 39:49.000 people that 39:49.660 --> 39:51.100 know what the fuck they're doing 39:51.100 --> 39:52.160 in the administration 39:52.820 --> 39:53.460 who 39:54.160 --> 39:55.460 understand the lore 39:55.900 --> 39:57.560 of the QAnon stuff 39:58.300 --> 39:58.940 and 39:58.940 --> 40:00.340 are posting 40:01.000 --> 40:02.860 explicit dog whistles to that 40:02.860 --> 40:04.520 knowing that like 40:04.520 --> 40:07.280 the regular person isn't going to give a fuck about any of this 40:07.280 --> 40:08.460 but this will signal 40:08.460 --> 40:10.740 to the insane person 40:10.740 --> 40:12.680 that will do our bidding 40:12.680 --> 40:15.440 that we acknowledge them 40:16.200 --> 40:17.980 and they're doing it constantly 40:17.980 --> 40:19.660 and this is this is terrifying 40:19.660 --> 40:21.460 because those people are 40:21.460 --> 40:22.380 nuts 40:22.380 --> 40:25.100 like super super nuts 40:25.100 --> 40:27.180 I don't know if you've watched any documentaries about 40:27.180 --> 40:29.060 some of these QAnon people 40:29.430 --> 40:31.180 but they are off the fucking wall 40:31.180 --> 40:33.400 and they will get 40:33.400 --> 40:34.260 people killed 40:35.310 --> 40:37.020 this is 40:37.450 --> 40:39.300 trust the plan until 40:39.300 --> 40:40.940 you know death 40:41.590 --> 40:42.900 type people and 40:43.390 --> 40:45.080 the administration knows this 40:45.080 --> 40:46.820 and it's so sad to see 40:47.420 --> 40:47.980 because 40:48.660 --> 40:50.560 it's not like these are bad people 40:50.560 --> 40:51.880 they've just been 40:52.580 --> 40:54.880 completely brainwashed and co-opted by 40:54.880 --> 40:57.340 these people that want to take advantage of them 40:58.000 --> 40:58.560 and 40:58.560 --> 41:01.040 they're doing it on the most grand scale possible 41:01.040 --> 41:02.620 by signaling 41:02.620 --> 41:05.440 these very explicit dog whistles to them 41:05.440 --> 41:07.560 which wasn't the case during 41:07.560 --> 41:09.080 the first Trump administration 41:09.080 --> 41:11.320 I just don't think they understood 41:11.320 --> 41:13.760 the whole conspiracy of it 41:13.760 --> 41:15.580 but this time around they're like 41:15.580 --> 41:17.340 we're gonna use this to our advantage 41:17.340 --> 41:19.280 because we're gonna do some crazy shit 41:19.280 --> 41:20.460 that 41:22.180 --> 41:23.460 isn't gonna be defended 41:23.460 --> 41:25.860 across the board and so we're gonna need 41:25.860 --> 41:27.640 we're gonna need our fanaticals 41:27.640 --> 41:29.400 involved here so 41:29.400 --> 41:31.300 let's get somebody that's in the know 41:31.300 --> 41:33.920 to manage these White House accounts 41:33.920 --> 41:35.280 and post 41:36.120 --> 41:37.320 actual QAnon 41:37.920 --> 41:38.920 Nazi shit 41:39.580 --> 41:40.920 just on the nose 41:41.580 --> 41:43.360 well I think you made a good point 41:43.360 --> 41:45.660 not that we'd ever really want to defend Obama 41:45.660 --> 41:47.140 on anything but I think you're right 41:47.140 --> 41:49.240 I think this is unprecedented in many ways 41:49.240 --> 41:50.720 the fact that the 41:51.200 --> 41:53.080 administration the White House is going so 41:53.080 --> 41:55.020 in on really pushing 41:55.020 --> 41:56.460 these narratives to really 41:56.460 --> 41:58.280 stimulate that divide 41:58.280 --> 42:00.760 to really demonize and vilify 42:01.320 --> 42:02.760 the political left and you're right 42:02.760 --> 42:04.680 I didn't see this type of behavior from Trump 42:04.680 --> 42:06.560 in the first administration certainly not 42:06.560 --> 42:08.960 but I think he kind of realizes that 42:08.960 --> 42:10.680 this is the end of his legacy 42:10.680 --> 42:12.160 now he's doing more than ever 42:12.160 --> 42:14.580 they're flooding the zone with all types of nonsense 42:14.580 --> 42:15.360 every day 42:15.360 --> 42:18.640 he's more bold and brash than he's ever been 42:18.640 --> 42:20.140 as far as geopolitically wise 42:20.660 --> 42:22.660 I feel like he understands and I know there's 42:22.660 --> 42:24.540 talk of him actually having a third term 42:24.540 --> 42:26.560 and some of his cohorts really 42:26.560 --> 42:29.120 you know advocating for that as well 42:29.120 --> 42:30.340 but I feel like 42:30.340 --> 42:32.900 this is really all intentional 42:32.900 --> 42:34.540 and really pushing things 42:34.540 --> 42:36.680 in the wrong direction at least 42:36.680 --> 42:38.320 for the unity of the country 42:38.320 --> 42:40.040 and I know that's almost a dirty word because 42:40.040 --> 42:42.680 it's couched in leftist terminology 42:42.680 --> 42:44.140 but at the same time 42:44.140 --> 42:46.140 it really isn't 42:46.140 --> 42:48.480 left versus right it isn't white versus black 42:48.480 --> 42:50.020 it's us versus the state 42:50.020 --> 42:51.960 I think we know that in this conversation 42:51.960 --> 42:54.700 but the fact that we're seeing so much hypocrisy 42:54.700 --> 42:56.240 and double standards right now and you touched 42:56.240 --> 42:58.020 on the Charlie Kirk shooting 42:58.020 --> 42:59.640 Dylan and you know 42:59.640 --> 43:02.020 I think the point that you might have missed is that 43:02.020 --> 43:03.660 they vilified the left 43:04.230 --> 43:05.640 for making a mockery of it 43:05.640 --> 43:07.380 right and of course yeah a lot of that was 43:07.380 --> 43:09.900 really undesirable type of behavior 43:09.900 --> 43:11.720 you know kind of over the top 43:11.720 --> 43:13.440 really unempathetic but 43:13.440 --> 43:15.360 at the same time what do you see now 43:15.360 --> 43:17.740 you see a lot of these same right wingers who are calling out 43:17.740 --> 43:18.800 the left for doing that 43:19.480 --> 43:21.040 criticizing the left 43:21.040 --> 43:23.840 saying that Renee Goode you know FAFO 43:23.840 --> 43:25.560 she fucked around and she found out 43:25.560 --> 43:27.660 right she just awoke social justice 43:27.660 --> 43:29.020 warrior really 43:29.020 --> 43:31.520 throwing dirt on her name smearing her name 43:31.520 --> 43:33.560 the lesbian wife I mean 43:33.560 --> 43:35.340 all this stuff it all plays into 43:35.340 --> 43:37.400 that polarization and 43:37.400 --> 43:39.480 I don't know the more I see 43:39.480 --> 43:41.440 it does feel like to me that 43:41.440 --> 43:43.860 what we're witnessing is just straight up 43:43.860 --> 43:45.200 like you know 43:45.200 --> 43:47.500 those 80s commercials you know this is your 43:47.500 --> 43:49.800 your brain on drugs well this is your brain 43:49.800 --> 43:51.620 on right wing media for over 43:51.620 --> 43:53.540 a decade now the fact 43:53.540 --> 43:55.720 that you are falling into this trap 43:55.720 --> 43:57.400 you know that a lot of the MAGA 43:57.400 --> 43:58.600 is falling into this trap 43:59.380 --> 44:01.580 isn't something that we saw 10 years 44:01.580 --> 44:03.640 ago we become more 44:03.640 --> 44:04.700 polarized than ever 44:05.480 --> 44:07.580 there's this mentality that if it's their side 44:07.580 --> 44:09.420 if it's their team well they're okay 44:09.420 --> 44:11.460 with the unlimited authoritarianism right 44:11.460 --> 44:13.480 they're okay with unlimited tyranny 44:13.480 --> 44:15.660 as long as it's their side doing it 44:15.660 --> 44:17.640 never thinking twice about future 44:17.640 --> 44:19.480 administrations future regimes coming 44:19.480 --> 44:21.720 in using these same powers 44:21.720 --> 44:23.440 you know and using that 44:23.440 --> 44:24.980 against their political factions 44:25.540 --> 44:27.640 I mean I'm so tired of all this 44:27.640 --> 44:29.220 man and I think you know you 44:29.220 --> 44:31.300 had mentioned the two-way stuff in the beginning 44:31.300 --> 44:33.280 of this conversation I think that's 44:33.280 --> 44:35.380 the perfect example of how hypocritical 44:35.380 --> 44:37.080 the right are right now because 44:37.080 --> 44:39.440 if Joe Biden or Kamala was doing any of this 44:39.440 --> 44:41.180 stuff you know they would be up in arms 44:41.180 --> 44:43.220 we'd see the boog boys out in full force 44:43.220 --> 44:45.280 with their tropical shirts on 44:45.280 --> 44:47.240 and showing up at every protest and every 44:47.240 --> 44:48.160 rally and every 44:49.220 --> 44:51.240 courthouse and every capital building 44:51.240 --> 44:53.140 you know strapped and 44:53.140 --> 44:55.640 you know dressed up and their fatigues 44:55.640 --> 44:57.420 and unfortunately that's not happening 44:57.420 --> 44:59.780 anymore I do believe that a lot 44:59.780 --> 45:01.560 of a lot of it does stem from 45:01.560 --> 45:03.820 what happened within the libertarian 45:03.820 --> 45:05.640 party in this last election 45:05.640 --> 45:07.600 cycle it really does feel 45:07.600 --> 45:09.500 like the liberty movement got gentrified by 45:09.500 --> 45:11.180 MAGA and people like Angela 45:11.180 --> 45:13.660 McCartle who maybe had the right intentions 45:13.660 --> 45:15.580 but hey this is exactly 45:15.580 --> 45:17.440 why we never unify 45:17.440 --> 45:19.440 with either the left or the right but 45:19.440 --> 45:21.440 especially the right because they have no 45:21.440 --> 45:23.160 qualms no problems whatsoever 45:24.320 --> 45:25.560 supporting and 45:25.560 --> 45:27.560 advocating and defending and justifying 45:27.560 --> 45:29.540 unbridled authoritarianism 45:29.540 --> 45:30.680 we've seen it before 45:30.680 --> 45:33.640 and it's hitting a fever pitch at this point 45:33.640 --> 45:35.420 you know so it does 45:35.420 --> 45:37.520 feel like the right really has narrowed 45:37.520 --> 45:39.760 it down to this really rigid idea 45:39.760 --> 45:41.300 that the law is always 45:41.300 --> 45:43.180 right simply because it's the law right 45:43.180 --> 45:45.120 and we've talked about this for years 45:45.120 --> 45:47.020 that legality does not 45:47.280 --> 45:48.740 equate morality you know 45:48.740 --> 45:51.440 but there's this instinct by the right 45:51.440 --> 45:53.600 to basically shut down any moral 45:53.600 --> 45:54.980 ethical discussion 45:55.600 --> 45:57.540 by just straight up jumping 45:57.540 --> 45:59.200 to well just comply 46:00.080 --> 46:01.600 and I'm curious how 46:01.600 --> 46:02.940 you see this trend Dylan like 46:03.600 --> 46:05.580 why do you think so much of the modern right 46:05.580 --> 46:07.280 wing discourses collapse into this 46:07.280 --> 46:09.440 comply or die framing like where this 46:09.440 --> 46:11.220 legality gets treated as morality 46:11.220 --> 46:13.200 even though we should know better right 46:13.200 --> 46:15.440 we know historically that that's never been 46:15.440 --> 46:17.100 the case that the good guys never say well 46:17.100 --> 46:19.080 just comply or I'm just doing my job 46:19.600 --> 46:21.160 so why does it now 46:21.160 --> 46:23.200 why does obedience become 46:23.200 --> 46:25.020 the only acceptable response 46:25.020 --> 46:26.820 because it's easy 46:26.820 --> 46:29.380 I think a lot of 46:29.380 --> 46:30.480 it comes down to that 46:31.160 --> 46:33.020 people have 46:33.020 --> 46:35.160 lives they do their own things 46:35.160 --> 46:36.660 they're focused on other stuff 46:36.660 --> 46:39.060 it's much 46:39.060 --> 46:41.220 easier to just 46:41.220 --> 46:42.400 okay comply 46:42.400 --> 46:44.640 be obedient just 46:44.940 --> 46:46.560 believe whatever said from 46:46.560 --> 46:48.300 my perceived tribe 46:48.300 --> 46:50.300 because actually 46:50.300 --> 46:52.560 exercising nuance 46:52.560 --> 46:53.800 and 46:53.800 --> 46:56.200 thinking and 46:56.200 --> 46:57.520 discerning 46:58.300 --> 46:59.660 truth rigorously 47:00.300 --> 47:02.280 is a difficult thing to do 47:02.280 --> 47:03.760 and 47:04.300 --> 47:06.620 just to circle back to the 47:06.620 --> 47:08.840 comment that I talked about 47:08.840 --> 47:10.260 that Alex Jones made 47:10.260 --> 47:12.880 it's like this is it 47:12.880 --> 47:14.220 if 47:14.220 --> 47:16.060 if their guy 47:16.060 --> 47:18.880 that they've been with for 10 years 47:18.880 --> 47:20.160 and believe 47:20.160 --> 47:22.180 that he's gonna come in and fix everything 47:22.180 --> 47:23.940 and destroy the deep state 47:23.940 --> 47:26.660 if he's that very deep state 47:26.660 --> 47:27.720 if he's compromised 47:27.720 --> 47:29.080 if he's actually 47:30.400 --> 47:31.060 actualizing 47:31.970 --> 47:34.080 the globalist 47:34.080 --> 47:35.460 agenda the technocratic 47:36.060 --> 47:36.660 agenda 47:37.400 --> 47:39.380 like that's it it's a 47:40.060 --> 47:41.960 sunk cost situation 47:42.840 --> 47:43.500 so 47:43.500 --> 47:45.240 what are they gonna do 47:45.240 --> 47:46.580 I mean they dissent 47:46.580 --> 47:48.060 they go oh 47:48.060 --> 47:49.880 he's actually bad 47:49.880 --> 47:52.280 what does that do for them right 47:52.280 --> 47:54.160 all that does is make them 47:54.160 --> 47:55.880 wrestle with 47:55.880 --> 47:58.860 their past self it's going to 47:59.500 --> 48:00.980 uproot the 48:01.260 --> 48:02.780 their standing in the community 48:03.240 --> 48:04.820 that they're in their friends 48:05.240 --> 48:06.100 their tribe 48:06.100 --> 48:08.520 if they're influential enough 48:08.520 --> 48:11.120 they're gonna get roasted by 48:11.120 --> 48:12.980 other influential people 48:12.980 --> 48:15.020 maybe even the actual 48:15.020 --> 48:16.720 president of the united states 48:16.720 --> 48:19.380 ruin their entire political careers 48:19.380 --> 48:20.880 that they've spent decades building 48:21.520 --> 48:22.700 I mean this is 48:22.700 --> 48:25.140 this is the apparatus that's been built 48:25.140 --> 48:27.180 it's not easy to just 48:27.180 --> 48:29.220 remove yourself from that 48:29.220 --> 48:30.860 it's so much easier 48:30.860 --> 48:33.300 to just toe the line and hope 48:33.300 --> 48:35.200 okay this is looking bad 48:35.200 --> 48:37.340 you know thinking to yourself but 48:37.340 --> 48:39.560 man I do I really hope 48:40.100 --> 48:41.740 that I can actually 48:41.740 --> 48:43.740 try and accomplish something good within this 48:45.100 --> 48:45.580 when 48:45.580 --> 48:47.320 you know any rational person 48:47.320 --> 48:49.060 look at that and be like this is a lost cause dude 48:49.060 --> 48:50.060 get the fuck out of there 48:50.600 --> 48:52.060 you know but for them it's like 48:52.580 --> 48:54.180 you know I get it to some extent 48:54.180 --> 48:56.820 not that this is like the good 48:56.820 --> 48:57.940 or rational thing to do 48:57.940 --> 49:00.960 but I get it from a reasonable perspective 49:01.520 --> 49:02.580 that shit's tough 49:03.080 --> 49:05.240 thinking for yourself is a tough 49:05.240 --> 49:05.960 thing to do 49:05.960 --> 49:08.120 you know I have 49:08.120 --> 49:10.060 this reoccurring 49:10.060 --> 49:11.480 experience with 49:12.240 --> 49:13.920 my parents as they get older 49:13.920 --> 49:15.980 is that you know they don't want to 49:15.980 --> 49:17.200 think about stuff anymore 49:17.900 --> 49:19.760 they've spent their lives doing that 49:20.300 --> 49:21.880 and now they just they've got 49:21.880 --> 49:23.820 their ways they've got their fox news that 49:23.820 --> 49:25.920 they're gonna watch they've got their 49:25.920 --> 49:27.420 propaganda they're gonna consume 49:27.960 --> 49:29.620 and that's gonna be it they're gonna have 49:29.620 --> 49:31.000 their opinions fed to them 49:31.000 --> 49:33.200 they're going to repeat those opinions 49:33.200 --> 49:34.840 and anything else 49:34.840 --> 49:37.420 what they're gonna take up arms against the government 49:37.420 --> 49:39.440 come on dude they're tired 49:39.440 --> 49:41.720 they've worked all their lives 49:42.360 --> 49:43.140 it's like 49:43.140 --> 49:45.380 it's it sucks but that's 49:45.380 --> 49:46.700 that's the reality of it 49:46.700 --> 49:47.920 it's just 49:48.880 --> 49:50.820 easy it's just easier to 49:50.820 --> 49:52.580 just just comply now 49:53.200 --> 49:55.160 just they're gonna they're gonna pull you over 49:55.160 --> 49:57.480 they're gonna just just comply with it 49:57.480 --> 49:59.420 you know don't don't make it 49:59.420 --> 50:00.920 too much harder on yourself 50:00.920 --> 50:03.280 it's like that's that's the perspective 50:03.280 --> 50:05.000 and this exactly 50:05.000 --> 50:07.220 what tyrants feed off of 50:07.220 --> 50:08.460 they take 50:08.460 --> 50:11.000 they take you give them an inch they take a mile 50:11.000 --> 50:12.920 and another mile and another mile 50:12.920 --> 50:15.300 if I was a conspiracy theorist 50:15.300 --> 50:17.180 I would suggest that maybe there was 50:17.180 --> 50:18.240 a grand plan 50:18.920 --> 50:20.920 and maybe even the federal reserve plays 50:20.920 --> 50:22.800 into this you know because they've devalued 50:22.800 --> 50:24.380 our money they've inflated the savings 50:24.380 --> 50:26.820 I mean it the money has been 50:26.820 --> 50:28.740 destroyed people are working two jobs 50:28.740 --> 50:30.560 sometimes three jobs just to get by 50:30.560 --> 50:32.500 so everybody is tired everybody is exhausted 50:32.500 --> 50:34.760 nobody has the mental bandwidth 50:34.760 --> 50:36.720 or the time to dig into this stuff 50:36.720 --> 50:38.680 like we do you know so yeah it is 50:38.680 --> 50:40.500 easier and I completely agree I also say 50:40.500 --> 50:42.240 it's a political identity 50:42.240 --> 50:44.540 I think is a big part of that and the tribalism 50:44.540 --> 50:46.840 you know because once you commit to these things 50:47.300 --> 50:48.620 what are you gonna do you're gonna jump 50:48.620 --> 50:50.560 ship you're gonna not be MAGA 50:50.560 --> 50:52.340 anymore I mean that's such a big political 50:52.340 --> 50:54.640 identity to so many people that 50:54.640 --> 50:56.100 they've really taken that on that 50:56.100 --> 50:58.120 I can't foresee that happening 50:58.120 --> 50:59.660 even when they are wrong you know 50:59.660 --> 51:01.440 well that just means you just double down 51:01.440 --> 51:03.580 that just means that you just fight back harder 51:03.580 --> 51:06.180 you divide even harder you call 51:06.180 --> 51:07.700 the left even more 51:07.700 --> 51:10.360 names and point the finger even harder 51:10.360 --> 51:12.080 right and there's a quote that comes 51:12.080 --> 51:14.340 to mind by Robert Anton Wilson 51:14.340 --> 51:16.220 the obedient always think 51:16.220 --> 51:18.580 of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly 51:18.580 --> 51:20.340 I think that hits the nail on the head 51:20.340 --> 51:22.820 yeah I posted a tweet 51:22.820 --> 51:23.920 I think yesterday 51:23.920 --> 51:26.140 or I said in my experience the people 51:26.140 --> 51:27.980 who believe themselves to be the most 51:27.980 --> 51:29.640 immune to the effects of propaganda 51:29.640 --> 51:32.060 tend to be the ones most susceptible 51:32.060 --> 51:33.720 to it yeah and I think 51:33.720 --> 51:35.680 I think that's very true 51:35.680 --> 51:37.220 I think that 51:38.080 --> 51:40.320 we we see exactly 51:41.100 --> 51:42.200 we see what 51:42.200 --> 51:43.460 what has happened 51:43.460 --> 51:45.460 we see the pacification 51:45.460 --> 51:47.560 of everybody and I think 51:47.560 --> 51:49.980 the the dividers understand 51:49.980 --> 51:52.000 this they understand that everybody's 51:52.000 --> 51:54.180 tired they just want to be on a team 51:54.180 --> 51:55.660 that's the easy thing to do 51:55.660 --> 51:57.940 yeah and I mean you 51:57.940 --> 51:59.360 said it yourself like if 52:00.200 --> 52:01.900 if Obama or 52:01.900 --> 52:04.160 Kamala Harris or Joe Biden would have done anything 52:04.160 --> 52:05.240 remotely like this 52:05.820 --> 52:08.100 you know we would see chaos 52:08.740 --> 52:09.840 in the streets 52:09.840 --> 52:12.020 I mean these people 52:13.160 --> 52:14.140 stormed the U.S. 52:14.140 --> 52:16.040 Capitol building and broke in 52:16.040 --> 52:17.260 and did all this 52:17.800 --> 52:18.700 did all of that 52:18.700 --> 52:20.520 without there being 52:20.520 --> 52:22.640 actual any real evidence 52:22.640 --> 52:25.060 of widespread voter fraud 52:25.060 --> 52:25.700 they just said 52:26.480 --> 52:28.240 we're just gonna our guide 52:28.240 --> 52:30.620 fucking lost and he said that it was stolen 52:30.620 --> 52:32.580 so let's go 52:33.300 --> 52:34.740 let's go blow it up 52:34.740 --> 52:36.680 now it's like we can 52:36.680 --> 52:38.100 see with our own eyes 52:38.800 --> 52:39.440 actual 52:39.440 --> 52:42.580 an actual standing army of federal agents 52:42.580 --> 52:44.980 tyrannizing people in the streets 52:44.980 --> 52:46.240 and they 52:46.240 --> 52:47.880 they couldn't give a fuck 52:47.880 --> 52:49.940 and I think that 52:49.940 --> 52:51.520 the administration 52:51.520 --> 52:54.220 and the people in power with the right 52:54.220 --> 52:55.900 wing aesthetic they understand this 52:55.900 --> 52:56.660 they understand 52:56.660 --> 52:59.320 these are the people that are 52:59.320 --> 53:02.140 per capita much more armed 53:02.140 --> 53:04.260 more they understand 53:04.260 --> 53:06.220 they at least talk 53:06.220 --> 53:08.260 about the potential for government 53:08.260 --> 53:10.380 tyranny a lot more they're a lot more skeptical 53:10.380 --> 53:11.880 of authority and of power 53:11.880 --> 53:13.680 so if we could just 53:13.680 --> 53:15.340 prop up a guy that 53:15.340 --> 53:17.520 is presumably on or 53:17.520 --> 53:19.100 seems to be on their side 53:19.680 --> 53:21.680 we can pacify them in a way that's 53:21.680 --> 53:22.940 going to allow us to 53:23.660 --> 53:25.560 usher in the agenda that we've always wanted 53:26.880 --> 53:27.480 and 53:27.480 --> 53:29.780 we're seeing this happen in real time 53:29.780 --> 53:31.400 and it sucks to watch 53:32.860 --> 53:33.720 people that 53:33.720 --> 53:35.200 on paper should 53:35.200 --> 53:37.200 should be on our side 53:37.200 --> 53:38.420 but they're not 53:40.120 --> 53:41.700 it's really sad 53:41.700 --> 53:42.440 man and it's 53:42.440 --> 53:44.320 it's absolutely terrifying 53:44.320 --> 53:45.900 it makes me 53:45.900 --> 53:47.500 someone who 53:48.900 --> 53:50.180 loves the 53:50.180 --> 53:51.800 founding American vision 53:51.800 --> 53:54.760 what Murray Rothbard talked about 53:54.760 --> 53:56.940 being conceived in liberty 53:57.600 --> 53:58.240 I 53:58.240 --> 54:01.360 sometimes I don't want to be here anymore 54:01.360 --> 54:02.600 I don't want to be in this country 54:02.600 --> 54:05.140 of this direction that we're going 54:06.040 --> 54:06.680 like 54:07.440 --> 54:09.700 me and my wife look at 54:09.700 --> 54:10.800 Switzerland along we're like 54:10.800 --> 54:12.180 seems like a nice place 54:12.180 --> 54:14.000 impossible to fucking 54:14.000 --> 54:17.000 but seriously 54:17.000 --> 54:19.620 I never thought that I would be 54:19.620 --> 54:21.040 considering not 54:21.700 --> 54:22.680 living in America 54:22.680 --> 54:24.560 but this is where we're at 54:25.820 --> 54:27.400 it's so demoralizing 54:28.460 --> 54:29.360 yeah man 54:29.360 --> 54:31.400 and on that note we are 54:31.400 --> 54:33.220 running out of time here and I think 54:33.220 --> 54:35.160 it's a great time for 54:35.160 --> 54:36.380 our white pill question 54:36.380 --> 54:38.380 how we involve in our podcast 54:38.380 --> 54:40.460 man you know before we let you 54:40.460 --> 54:42.280 go you know we do we have to address 54:42.280 --> 54:44.040 like this the psychological war 54:44.040 --> 54:46.000 that's at play here like it's not left 54:46.000 --> 54:48.160 versus right anymore it's like what Jason said 54:48.160 --> 54:49.180 it's us first the state 54:49.800 --> 54:51.660 we're watching them rewrite history 54:51.660 --> 54:53.680 in real time it's 54:54.260 --> 54:56.020 it's a quote like we were talking about 54:56.020 --> 54:57.820 in our free thought chat 54:58.180 --> 54:59.920 the party told you to reject the evidence 54:59.920 --> 55:02.100 of your eyes and ears from Orwell 55:02.100 --> 55:04.200 and whatever party 55:04.200 --> 55:06.600 is in power that's what their supporters do 55:06.600 --> 55:08.180 like the left does it when their support 55:08.180 --> 55:09.820 when you know when Biden was in power 55:09.820 --> 55:10.800 and the right's doing it now 55:10.800 --> 55:14.220 and it's accelerating 55:14.840 --> 55:15.740 and I 55:16.560 --> 55:17.880 don't know what's going to happen 55:17.880 --> 55:19.140 when a Democrat comes in unless 55:19.140 --> 55:21.120 Trump just becomes a dictator you know 55:21.120 --> 55:23.620 but I think that the next Democrat 55:23.620 --> 55:25.560 is going to be far more unhinged 55:25.560 --> 55:27.820 and even more despotic 55:27.820 --> 55:29.100 and tyrannical than Trump 55:29.100 --> 55:32.340 is you know it just keeps accelerating 55:32.340 --> 55:33.980 and keeps getting worse and worse every time 55:33.980 --> 55:35.780 because this is what they're doing these people are 55:36.280 --> 55:37.680 they're building a prison around themselves 55:37.680 --> 55:39.060 and supporting it the whole way there 55:39.060 --> 55:41.520 they're telling us that the police state is freedom 55:41.520 --> 55:43.320 that the surveillance grid is for our safety 55:43.320 --> 55:45.180 and that you know our neighbors 55:45.180 --> 55:47.900 our enemies basically 55:47.900 --> 55:49.980 they're deliberately stoking this hatred 55:49.980 --> 55:52.080 towards one another because that's the polarization 55:52.080 --> 55:54.360 the polarization that fuels 55:54.360 --> 55:56.320 their surveillance 55:56.320 --> 55:57.720 state that they're creating around us 55:57.720 --> 55:59.400 you know but 55:59.400 --> 56:00.960 before I digress too much 56:00.960 --> 56:03.320 I want to thank you for coming on man 56:03.320 --> 56:05.580 on such short notice that was very awesome of you 56:06.000 --> 56:06.400 yeah 56:06.920 --> 56:09.280 the Gideon army guys they're going to miss out 56:09.280 --> 56:11.040 they missed out on a badass conversation 56:11.040 --> 56:13.380 that we were about to have about the veterans chasing down 56:13.380 --> 56:14.700 Pettos but I think this was 56:14.700 --> 56:17.420 a very important one that we needed to have right now 56:17.420 --> 56:19.400 man we really appreciate all the work 56:19.400 --> 56:20.880 that you do dude and all your writing 56:21.800 --> 56:22.940 it's as we 56:22.940 --> 56:25.100 we're very lucky on this podcast to have 56:25.100 --> 56:26.500 the guests that we do 56:26.500 --> 56:28.040 it's because you guys are all these 56:28.040 --> 56:30.460 like you it's rare to find voices 56:30.460 --> 56:32.320 that are willing to consistently call out the 56:32.880 --> 56:34.460 uniparty you know regardless of who's sitting 56:34.460 --> 56:36.340 in the old office and you do that 56:36.340 --> 56:37.700 and your perspective is invaluable 56:38.300 --> 56:39.940 and like I said we're lucky to be 56:39.940 --> 56:41.740 there's only a handful of these people out there 56:41.740 --> 56:43.440 and we're lucky to get a lot of them on our show 56:43.980 --> 56:46.080 hey free thinkers this is Matt Agarist 56:46.080 --> 56:48.940 and I'm going to take a quick pause to remind you of something really important 56:49.380 --> 56:50.140 first off 56:50.140 --> 56:51.320 apologies for the interruption 56:51.320 --> 56:54.140 but if you're still here that means you're resonating 56:54.140 --> 56:56.360 with what we're doing and we need your help 56:56.360 --> 56:57.040 to keep it alive 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that 58:08.420 --> 58:10.400 their fucking neighbor 58:10.400 --> 58:12.360 is not their enemy you know the state 58:12.360 --> 58:14.240 is the people manipulating you is 58:14.240 --> 58:16.780 the like what's the practical 58:16.780 --> 58:18.540 first step that a person listening 58:18.540 --> 58:19.920 right now can take to 58:19.920 --> 58:21.960 to reject the party's lies 58:21.960 --> 58:24.120 and start building a future based on 58:24.120 --> 58:25.560 on liberty instead of this 58:25.560 --> 58:27.980 fear and hatred that gets pumped into them 58:27.980 --> 58:29.920 every day well you need to 58:29.920 --> 58:31.520 understand where 58:31.520 --> 58:33.820 your opposition is coming from 58:33.820 --> 58:34.660 because 58:35.700 --> 58:37.580 you these people's 58:37.580 --> 58:39.880 perceived enemies are just 58:39.880 --> 58:42.200 other people and 58:42.200 --> 58:43.840 I mean 58:43.840 --> 58:46.060 they're not like a different species 58:46.060 --> 58:47.600 of thing like they 58:47.600 --> 58:49.740 they are people they came 58:49.740 --> 58:51.660 to their beliefs and their 58:51.660 --> 58:53.900 intuitions and their values 58:53.900 --> 58:55.720 in the same way 58:55.720 --> 58:56.800 that you did 58:57.540 --> 59:00.200 and understanding how they got to that point 59:00.200 --> 59:01.660 understanding their 59:01.660 --> 59:02.340 perspective 59:03.200 --> 59:05.320 is gonna lead to a much better outcome 59:05.320 --> 59:07.400 because it's not okay these are just 59:07.400 --> 59:09.600 evil robots that are just 59:09.600 --> 59:11.560 gonna come and kill us all 59:11.560 --> 59:13.440 it's like no understand 59:13.440 --> 59:15.040 where this person is coming from 59:15.040 --> 59:16.920 to do yourself that 59:16.920 --> 59:18.720 your own favor by doing that 59:19.780 --> 59:20.900 and you know 59:20.900 --> 59:22.780 I'm not suggesting everybody do this but that's 59:22.780 --> 59:23.780 something that I learned 59:24.560 --> 59:26.860 and I know this is totally nuts 59:26.860 --> 59:28.780 but with the Nazi 59:28.780 --> 59:29.520 account stuff 59:30.540 --> 59:32.580 it really helps me understand 59:32.580 --> 59:34.700 because this is like okay these are fucking 59:34.700 --> 59:36.620 off the wall people 59:37.180 --> 59:38.880 you know but how did they 59:38.880 --> 59:39.820 get to that point 59:40.840 --> 59:42.620 where did they get how did they get to the point where 59:42.620 --> 59:44.580 they're like basically treating 59:44.580 --> 59:46.280 Adolf Hitler as a god 59:46.280 --> 59:48.540 and completely questioning 59:48.540 --> 59:50.480 his like well established 59:50.480 --> 59:51.560 history 59:52.430 --> 59:54.580 and you know advocating for the 59:54.580 --> 59:55.900 you know this real heinous shit 59:56.620 --> 59:58.500 and it you know 59:58.500 --> 01:00:00.480 really opened my eyes of like okay these 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:02.480 these are just people 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.640 that have been led down 01:00:04.640 --> 01:00:06.440 a different path than me 01:00:07.300 --> 01:00:08.040 and 01:00:08.390 --> 01:00:10.740 I think that's what's necessary because 01:00:11.420 --> 01:00:13.360 you have people on either side 01:00:14.260 --> 01:00:14.860 that 01:00:14.860 --> 01:00:16.960 will just look at the other side 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:18.980 and just not even treat them as a person 01:00:18.980 --> 01:00:20.760 this isn't another human 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:21.600 being to them 01:00:21.600 --> 01:00:24.820 it's just this is my this is my enemy 01:00:24.820 --> 01:00:26.680 and they're nothing else but my enemy 01:00:26.680 --> 01:00:27.580 and 01:00:27.580 --> 01:00:30.580 they didn't come to their conclusions from 01:00:30.580 --> 01:00:32.500 from some rational perspective 01:00:32.500 --> 01:00:34.200 it's not reasonable 01:00:34.660 --> 01:00:36.540 like they are just evil 01:00:36.540 --> 01:00:38.400 it need to be destroyed 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.900 and if you have two people on either side 01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:42.280 of the pond thinking the exact 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.460 that exact thing about each other you're just 01:00:44.460 --> 01:00:46.100 it's just gonna be war 01:00:46.100 --> 01:00:48.780 if you have both people on either side 01:00:48.780 --> 01:00:50.360 of the pond that live 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:52.440 in completely different realities 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.240 watch the exact same thing 01:00:54.240 --> 01:00:56.240 and there there's 01:00:56.240 --> 01:00:58.220 there's no shared foundation 01:00:58.220 --> 01:01:00.300 of facts they can't even 01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:01.600 begin to have a conversation 01:01:02.240 --> 01:01:04.380 like you have to slow down 01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:06.380 and go this 01:01:06.380 --> 01:01:07.260 thing that I believe 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.120 do I have good reason to believe it 01:01:10.120 --> 01:01:12.500 who benefits from me believing 01:01:12.500 --> 01:01:13.100 this thing 01:01:13.100 --> 01:01:15.880 and if the answer to the first question is 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:18.460 no in the answer to the second question 01:01:18.460 --> 01:01:19.860 is anybody but yourself 01:01:20.620 --> 01:01:21.640 question it 01:01:21.640 --> 01:01:24.300 figure out how how the fuck did I 01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:24.980 get here 01:01:24.980 --> 01:01:27.520 and what can I do 01:01:27.520 --> 01:01:29.540 to get closer to the truth 01:01:29.540 --> 01:01:32.160 to get closer to something that actually 01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:33.420 serves 01:01:33.420 --> 01:01:34.460 myself 01:01:35.060 --> 01:01:36.860 and I'm not living 01:01:36.860 --> 01:01:38.400 somebody else's story 01:01:39.240 --> 01:01:40.600 and I think that's very important 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.720 and I'm not suggesting everyone go make Nazi accounts 01:01:43.720 --> 01:01:44.900 that would be absurd 01:01:44.900 --> 01:01:47.380 what I'm saying is just stop and think 01:01:47.380 --> 01:01:48.720 this is another person 01:01:48.720 --> 01:01:50.180 how did they get there 01:01:51.140 --> 01:01:52.880 and just start there 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:54.500 that's all it takes and 01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:56.780 I understand there's so many pressures 01:01:56.780 --> 01:01:58.620 to lead you in the other direction 01:01:59.420 --> 01:02:01.460 coming directly from the administration 01:02:02.200 --> 01:02:03.180 but don't 01:02:03.180 --> 01:02:04.340 be a sheep dude 01:02:05.220 --> 01:02:07.200 you're a person act like a person 01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:08.860 hell yeah man 01:02:09.240 --> 01:02:11.180 what you just described is just empathy 01:02:11.180 --> 01:02:13.560 we just we have a severe lack 01:02:13.560 --> 01:02:14.920 of empathy in this country and it's 01:02:15.460 --> 01:02:17.480 it's what's driving us to this 01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:18.660 insanity you know they 01:02:18.660 --> 01:02:21.340 when you surrender your agency or your moral authority 01:02:21.340 --> 01:02:23.200 like or your moral agency to like 01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:25.380 an authority figure whether it's like a top 01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:27.480 or a bureaucrat in DC 01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:29.540 you know you stop being a free human being 01:02:29.540 --> 01:02:30.980 you become a tool 01:02:30.980 --> 01:02:33.440 you have no conscience and tools 01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:34.180 only have functions 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:37.520 they weaponize your desire to be a good person 01:02:37.520 --> 01:02:39.580 against you and that's what they're doing to us 01:02:39.580 --> 01:02:41.820 and we can't fall into that trap 01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:43.260 we have to have empathy and 01:02:43.260 --> 01:02:45.500 that's the only way out of this mess 01:02:45.500 --> 01:02:47.260 and I love that you came up with that too 01:02:47.260 --> 01:02:49.240 we need so many more voices like that 01:02:49.240 --> 01:02:50.640 out there Dylan thank you man 01:02:51.100 --> 01:02:52.960 tell everybody before we go where they can 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:54.520 follow and support your work 01:02:54.980 --> 01:02:56.240 yeah I mean pretty much 01:02:56.240 --> 01:02:58.180 I mean most of what I do is just on 01:02:58.180 --> 01:02:59.640 X Twitter 01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:01.220 at Dylan 01:03:02.080 --> 01:03:03.280 M Almond 01:03:04.240 --> 01:03:05.880 Dylan like Bob Dylan Almond 01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:07.240 is in the Almond Brothers Band 01:03:07.240 --> 01:03:09.100 that's how I always say it 01:03:09.100 --> 01:03:11.640 I also have my blog 01:03:11.900 --> 01:03:14.100 my substack that's like my creative outlet 01:03:14.860 --> 01:03:15.580 it's 01:03:15.580 --> 01:03:18.560 it's Blade Runner themed so it's really nerdy 01:03:18.560 --> 01:03:19.740 it's awesome 01:03:19.740 --> 01:03:21.920 interlinked.substack.com 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.260 yeah interlinked.substack.com 01:03:24.260 --> 01:03:25.800 interlinked.blog 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:27.800 also works I have that domain 01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:29.360 that's kind of my 01:03:29.940 --> 01:03:31.220 my baby so 01:03:31.220 --> 01:03:34.060 pretty much the conversion 01:03:34.060 --> 01:03:36.160 right from Twitter to that is like 01:03:36.160 --> 01:03:37.780 near zero 01:03:37.780 --> 01:03:40.420 so anybody that wants to go read it 01:03:40.420 --> 01:03:41.700 that would definitely be nice 01:03:42.100 --> 01:03:43.380 we know all about that 01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:45.960 ask Matt Taibbi about that 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:46.380 he knows 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.580 man Dylan thank you so much dude 01:03:51.580 --> 01:03:53.680 this was a great conversation I'm glad we got to have it 01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:54.160 with you brother 01:03:55.260 --> 01:03:57.640 thanks for having me I'm down to be the 01:03:57.640 --> 01:03:58.480 backup anytime 01:03:58.920 --> 01:03:59.620 thank you bro 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:00.820 peace