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A man kind enough to have me on his show, Grand Theft World, a few weeks ago.

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And a man who is a returning guest to this show, Mr. Richard Grove.

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All right. So it has been over two years since we last spoke to our guest today.

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He is a true OG in the truth Liberty Sphere.

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He started his journey into this world as a corporate whistleblower,

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but he narrowly avoided being in the World Trade Center on 9-11 during the attack

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where he worked at the time thanks to a traffic jam,

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which is an extremely crazy story that we actually touched on in our last episode with him.

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Now, he's also a filmmaker, a historian and a world-class researcher.

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So, Richard, thanks for joining us today and welcome back to the Free Thought Project podcast, my friend.

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Jason, thank you for the invite.

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Don and Matt, how are you guys doing?

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It's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for the opportunity to opine.

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Yeah, absolutely, brother.

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Well, we've been looking forward to it.

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And one of the reasons I wanted to have you back on is you have a really vast knowledge base.

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You're an amazing researcher.

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You've been talking about many of these issues and topics for decades now.

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And who better really to have on the show to close out the final episode of the year?

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Now, you're also the founder of autonomy, which is an extremely successful online course

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and mentorship program that teaches real-world skills, critical thinking

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and helps connect people who want to live outside these centralized systems.

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And I'm hopeful that we could discuss that some more at some point in this conversation

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because it is a huge white pill for our movement.

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But I also wanted to talk about a couple current issues

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and perhaps maybe near the end, we could get into a Liberty Movement report card.

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But I did want to start with what's happening right now because it's just so fresh.

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We're seeing a military buildup off the coast of Venezuela.

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We're seeing these extrajudicial strikes on fishing boats.

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Or at least we think they're fishing boats or maybe they're drug boats.

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We don't really know because they're not giving us any evidence, right?

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And just yesterday, the US seized a Venezuelan oil tanker.

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So this feels a lot less like foreign policy and more like just outright piracy.

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Now, as somebody who did witness 9-11 firsthand,

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you saw how that moment was used to launch a new war that shaped two decades of policy.

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So I was wondering, do you see parallels here?

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Is this just the beginning of another manufactured narrative to justify another intervention?

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And if so, what does that mean for the trajectory of the US?

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And those of us trying to resist the surveillance state, the police state,

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I mean, these things always seem to grow alongside these wars.

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So yeah, what are your thoughts on this?

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Well, to be direct, the answer is yes.

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And to follow up on that, I would say American foreign policy is never determined

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by the activity going on at present.

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It has always been predetermined for like the past 120 years.

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So when you see something like Venezuela, we are not reacting to a situation.

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We are enacting a situation.

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We would like their oil.

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They have more oil than any place on the earth.

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And when I say we, not the American citizens,

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but the transnationalists, especially the transnationalist corporations

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and other groups that influence our government from top down

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and have used it for the past 125 years as a type of prophylactic

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so that they can go around accessing the wealth while simultaneously eroding

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America's reputation and driving morality.

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Like they're demoralizing Americans so that people won't want to fight

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and defend their country anymore.

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It's a perfect way to bring about a new world order.

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You have to first, you can't just directly attack the borders with immigration.

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You have to, you know, stir it up from within.

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Create a civil war type of situation where everybody's at everybody else

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and nobody's actually looking at the people caused them the problems

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or orchestrating such maneuvers.

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The seizing of an oil tanker is very provocative.

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The fact that the United States has any foreign policy going on with Venezuela

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is kind of like all of the sudden, like it hasn't been a traditional thing.

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We've heard about Russia and China and other countries for decades and decades.

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And you know, the surveillance state, it's not like Venezuela is driving such things.

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It makes me wonder, is Venezuela, did they have a central bank yet?

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Because this is usually the sales process, how they get places to take on central banking.

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Gaddafi, for instance, is, you know, Libby is not that different,

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much different in foreign policy activities than Venezuela.

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What did Libya do?

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Gaddafi, first, he sent his child to be educated by the people who were later to kill him.

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So when Gaddafi meets his end, his kid is actually being taught in Britain by Joseph Nye,

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the super neocon world strategist, not necessarily neocon,

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but a new world order strategist from the Anglo-American establishment.

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So even though Gaddafi was trying to spread the wealth around his country

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and make it the highest living standard in Africa and so on and so forth, you know,

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we came, he saw, he died, whatever her butchering of Shakespeare's Caesar quote, right?

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Yeah, we came, we saw, he died, I don't know, I forget.

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I'm not supposed to remember her quotes.

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I remember the real quotes from which she butchered it, right?

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But the idea of extrajudicial murder, fire from the sky,

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no judge, Jerry Executioner except the drone and the drone commander

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or whatever they're using, F, you know, F 22s or whatever they're using these days

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to blow things up.

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Now, the question is, like logic and reason dictate, we have to study reality

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from things that exist.

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So something existed and it got blown up.

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What is the something?

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Do we have any evidence?

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People say it's a fishing boat.

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I would observe from, I did, I've looked at this 30 seconds of the footage,

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right?

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But I don't know, it's going kind of fast for a fishing boat.

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Now, if it's not a fishing boat, doesn't, even if it's a powerboat,

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like we saw back in the day on Miami Vice, let's say it's a speedboat.

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It goes 200 miles an hour and it's full of fentanyl and cocaine.

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Is it still proper to fire from the sky, destroy it, blow it up like that?

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Is that the best we can do as Americans?

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I don't know.

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Maybe we could do better.

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Now, let's say it's a fishing boat.

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And let's say we mistook it for a drug boat and let's say we went back

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and double tapped it so that the survivors couldn't tell their tale.

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I'd say, hmm, that's, that's mighty different.

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That's almost like a USS Liberty situation where you're trying to

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prevent the people from actually telling the story afterwards of the attack.

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So there are certain resonances in history that come up with a story

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like this, but I see none of them as favorable or honorable or matching the

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integrity, the gusto and the salt of the earth nature of the average American citizen.

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Yeah, especially when Trump has really positioned himself as this law

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and order president, right?

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I mean, I think that's the part that really upsets me the most.

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And of course, there's an argument to be made about international law.

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Are these international waters?

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I mean, obviously the Constitution applies to the U.S.

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So, you know, there is some debate there.

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I get that, but it does feel very much like the same old playbook,

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right?

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I mean, one decade, the U.S. government's guarding the Afghan poppy fields,

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you know, and fueling the worst opioid crisis in history.

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Now they're vaporizing these boats and insisting it's for our safety, right?

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Because we're having these drug crises in the U.S.,

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whether it be fentanyl or whatever.

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And there's just so many problems with this, right?

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I mean, first of all, we can't even stop drugs coming into prisons

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in this country, right?

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I mean, I think that's a pretty apt analogy that I think

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that's pretty poignant position to point at,

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because I mean, look, are we really going to play a world police?

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Are we really going to just say, like, anybody we suspect of trafficking drugs

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are now potentially open to receiving these, you know, strikes, these drone strikes?

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Trump already said that that is the case.

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He said that it isn't just Venezuela, specifically, you know,

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that anybody who's bringing drugs into our country

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can be essentially vaporized by these strikes.

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So, and the problem with this that makes me the most upset is that,

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hey, look, we've already been through this before,

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like I was already kind of hinting at, right?

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And I know you watched this, Richard.

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I know all of us watched this in real time when it was happening during the war on terror.

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This is just a lame excuse once again to, yeah,

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potentially invade, occupy, create another forever war in Venezuela.

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I mean, it's no secret that they have the largest amount of oil reserves.

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So there is something going on here.

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Unfortunately, all the people that, you know, seemed at one point to understand this,

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the same people who are calling for Donald Trump to be an anti-war peace president

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and saying that they're tired of the Afghan war,

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the tired of the Middle East occupations are now turning a blind eye

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and they're the same people who are actually supporting these policies

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and this oil tanker that was just seized.

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I've even seen a lot of people sharing fake images

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of these drug boats that were from years and years ago

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that the right has gotten a hold of now and they're starting to meme.

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They're starting to point out as being the definitive proof

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saying, well, where are these fishing poles?

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It doesn't look like a fishing boat to me.

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It looks a lot like a drug boat.

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Well, the problem is that, yeah, we've all known that these countries

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Central and South America are doing some type of illicit drug trade, right?

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But if we're going to say it's specifically fentanyl coming from Venezuela,

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well, we should probably be proving that, right?

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We know that cocaine comes from Venezuela

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and as Rand Paul pointed out, you know, there is no fentanyl being made in Venezuela,

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not just a little bit, none.

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He also mentioned that in order for these boats to get to Miami,

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they'd have to refuel 20 times.

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I think that's a pretty accurate assessment.

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I think that we need the proof.

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We need the evidence.

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And I don't know, to me, I'm just really perplexed and dismayed

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that once again, it's this tribalistic type of mentality

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where it's like, well, it's our guy doing it.

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I mean, it's really no different from the George W. Bush year.

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So, like, what do you think is the problem here?

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Like, if MAGA is, you know, a movement that was supposed to be anti-war,

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why are they so adamant about, you know,

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supporting this, defending this and justifying this

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now that Trump's doing it?

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Well, because there's a group of well-meaning people in this country

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who wanted to see greatness rise in everybody,

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every color, creed, religion, and race.

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Make America great again, right?

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That whole idea.

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But then it got attached to an ill foreign and domestic agenda.

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And, you know, politicians are going to politician.

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I don't know when people are going to figure it out.

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They could vote harder.

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There's a lot of things they could do,

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but I'm just saying we can do better

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and we're not going to do better doing the same thing

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we've always done.

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Here's what we've always done.

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I did a presentation a couple years back for Ed Griffin

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and it was called the Underground History of America.

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And what it showed is alongside our great country's

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industrial growth and the hard work of the people,

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there was also a lot of corrupt people

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at the very top in the Eastern establishment

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who made their money from the opium trade

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that the British had monopolized.

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And in 1832, the British privatized the opium trade.

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This is where 1832 skull and bones at Yale comes from

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because they get in on it.

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This is where the Americans get back in with the empire

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for real because they're on the opium trafficking side.

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Now, in the 1800s after we defeated the British

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at the Battle of New Orleans in 1814, Andrew Jackson,

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the British went off and they played around the world.

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They played with India.

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They played with China.

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They subjugated billions of people.

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And then they came back economically for America.

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So by the mid 1800s, the British had a first,

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second and third Anglo-Afghan war for control

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of the opium poppy territory.

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And they used this to subjugate China

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in what was called the Century of Humiliation.

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Now this went on in this massive narco-terrorism drug

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trafficking and slavery operation, morphed

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and took on its American cousin as partnership in it.

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So now America gets into,

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and America kind of always had been in the opium trade

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because the Eastern establishment families,

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the Delanoes from where FDR comes from,

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there's a whole bunch of families.

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The Boston Brahmins were all up in at the Cabots, the Asters.

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There's all sorts of famous history about their ship manifests

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coming back with opium in exchange refers.

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So now you get up to like the year 1900.

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There's a lot of America has just gotten in bed

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with the British Empire.

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Kipling gave us the white man's burden poem

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and the racist imagery that came along with it

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and said, you got to get over here in this Spanish-American war

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and help us out.

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And that's how it became the Spanish-American war

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because we got into it.

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So you got to remember the main,

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and now we are nation-building.

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We are expressing freedom around the planet

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with our good British cousins.

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We're creating an English-speaking world

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and we're going to dominate the planet.

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And there was a guy who was really good

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at helping them out.

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His name was Major General Smedley Butler.

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He won the Congressional Medal of Honor twice.

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He won the Marine Corps Brevet Medal.

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He was asked to perform a coup against the FDR government

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because they weren't fascist enough so we could go harder.

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And he said, no.

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And in his famous book, War is a Racket,

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he elucidated that he had always been a thug

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for the ruling class to take over countries.

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And he named countries like Honduras

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and Nicaragua and these other places.

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Now, if you fast forward just for a second,

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back up into recent history, Trump just pardoned.

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I think it was the president of Nicaragua

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who was a drug trafficking kingpin.

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He was in prison for drugs.

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Now, whether he was framed by the other political side,

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I don't know, but Trump has a zero tolerance policy

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with Venezuela and that he just pardoned

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some guy who runs a country right next to Venezuela

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that is a total drug.

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So anyway, I want to bring it past Smedley Butler

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because there is a point.

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Smedley Butler told us the war is a racket

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and the rich people were using our military

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to do things in their name.

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That's how United Fruit and Dole

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and all these other places took over

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and that's how you have bananas in your kitchen.

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But if we go up to the 1980s, right after Iran-Contra,

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there was a situation.

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There was a situation where Enrique Kiki Camarena

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was working for the United States Drug Enforcement Agency

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and he's down in the Mexican consulate

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and he gets kidnapped from inside,

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like outside the consulate.

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He's right outside, they kidnap him, they interrogate him,

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they torture him and they murder him and they recorded it.

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Now by they, we'll get into that in a second,

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but this is a situation where Kiki had found out

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about U.S. military and governmental policies

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working with the cartels, okay?

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A couple years ago, I interviewed a whistleblower

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on this situation, it was 2016.

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His name was Philip, I'm sorry, Hector Bereas.

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Hector Bereas.

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Hector was the all-star undercover agent for the DEA.

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He infiltrated the Silinoa Cartel, the Medellin Cartel,

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the Cali Cartel, the Guadalajara Cartel

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as an undercover agent.

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This dude is a wolf.

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When we were in the room interviewing this guy,

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I felt in danger because this is not a sheepdog.

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This is not a dog.

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This is a wolf.

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We're in the room with a wolf

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and he's telling the stories about being a wolf.

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A couple blocks away while he's telling us stories

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about El Chapo.

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El Chapo Guzman is a couple blocks away in New York City

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and I'm like, pro, I know he has people in this hotel

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and they're probably outside this door listening

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to these stories.

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We're all going to get killed.

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We get out of that room and I'm like,

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we have to write this down.

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This is a crazy story he's telling.

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So we wrote a treatise, like a three-season narrative arc

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for a series called Kilos.

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It was supposed to be a follow-up for Narcos.

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We pitched it to Netflix.

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Hector and my partner, John,

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went to Netflix in L.A.

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They pitched the whole story

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about the Kiki Camarena murder,

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about this cover-up of U.S. drug-running

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and the killing of its own people to cover it up.

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And Netflix said,

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no, thank you.

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And what Netflix did is they made a series

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called Narcos, Mexico,

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based on the CIA's view of Kiki Camarena.

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Now, my buddy John was Hector's manager,

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so he kept shopping and around.

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Finally, they got hooked up with Tiller Russell

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over at Amazon

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and the film series is called The Last Narc, N-A-R-C.

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If you watch that, Hector Bereyes,

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the whistleblower that the government then said,

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we think you did it, Hector.

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And he had to go on the run for, like, 20, 30 years.

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He comes back with the guys who kidnapped Kiki Camarena.

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They were Mexican federally state police guys

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that delivered them to American military

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and political people who, again, are on tape

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because they taped the interrogation.

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And Hector has heard the tapes because he was the top investigator

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of Operation Leenda looking into the unsolved death of Kiki Camarena.

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So when you follow it all back through,

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there are names of people still alive today

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that killed people in our own government

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to cover up the multi-decade narco drug trafficking

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that is behind why America was in Afghanistan

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for 20 years after 9-11,

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making sure that, you know, the illicit trade,

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which has now been kind of usurped by the fentanyl trade,

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which brings it back to Venezuela,

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there's a long, interesting history to all of these things.

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And most people are not going to get that

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on the Sean Hannity, CNN type of universe out there.

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You have to get outside the official narrative

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and actually look at the evidence and artifacts,

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and that's what I've done for the past 20 years.

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Hell, yeah, man.

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I mean, we've seen this play out over and over again.

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This is how the CIA funds all their covert operations

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with the drug trade that they control across the planet, right?

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No one can get a plane into the United States

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unless they're cleared to fly that plane in.

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That plane's not just going to be able to fly in here.

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They let that damn plane in, man.

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So we got to go see an oil tanker

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from the narco terrorists that were told that they are, right?

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And it's important to just always consider

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when we look at the actual events of, you know,

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CIA coups around the world in the 20th century.

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There's a lot.

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I ask, which of those coups were we not with MI6?

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It's a very short list.

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Which of those coups was it not in MI6's foreign policy interest

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and we were just there helping or just taking the brunt of it, right?

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Really, what the empire needed to do was convince us

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that the empire quit and they became a commonwealth

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and they were just like us.

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And in the meanwhile, America became the property manager

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for the British Empire.

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In British Empire, they just sit back

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and America's like the imperialist on the scene

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and we're the ones that, you know, have it on our conscience

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to kill a million people in Iraq

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after some phony baloney claims of war, right?

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So there is a reputation of America and Americans

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and it is purposefully being, I would say,

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deverticalized, but the proper term that everyone's familiar with

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is controlled demolition.

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It's a controlled demolition of America and Americanism

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and the thought of free people being able to speak their thoughts freely

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to practice their religion, to say what they want

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and express themselves in various forms of print and media

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to be able to defend themselves with deadly force,

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defend their families with deadly force.

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These are not the usual in human history.

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These are very spectacular firework-like events

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that have gone on just in the past couple hundred years

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and most of human history has been a history

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of people being subjugated by people who were very irrational,

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totalitarian, tyrannical and bloodthirsty.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And that's what's so crazy.

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We can go back several administrations

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and see, like, this has been in action for a long time.

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The Obama laid the groundwork for Trump to be able to do this

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in Venezuela, what he's doing right now.

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He declared a national emergency

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because of the country of Venezuela

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and it's the same playbook they use over and over and over again

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and like the Norco terrorism, like the DEA's own,

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I just wrote an article about this

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so I'm pretty familiar with everything that's going on

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over there right now.

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And so the DEA put out a report,

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the National Drug Threat Assessment.

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It's publicly available and everybody can go and read it

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and Venezuela is not even mentioned in the entire report,

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not even about cocaine, which they do traffic some cocaine,

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right, but the country of Venezuela

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is not even mentioned in the report.

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The actual pen all comes from China,

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the components of it come from China.

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Go to Mexico, get put together by the cartels

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and then that comes across our southern border.

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We know this, this is not a secret, everybody knows that,

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but yet the new WMDs are Ohio junkies

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dying on the streets, right?

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The yellow cake now is fentanyl

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and everybody's lapping it up

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and they're all like, yeah, we need to go into Venezuela

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and do what, like take out Maduro?

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Yeah, Maduro's a bad person.

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He was not re-elected and he kept power

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and he's a dictator and those people need to take him out,

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but like we don't need to put US troops

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on the ground over there to do that

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and every time that we do put US troops

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on the ground to overthrow some regime,

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that's not in the interest of American people

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and yet somehow people keep buying it up

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term after term and they buy the same damn story

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over and over again so that these people

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in Washington DC can do the bidding

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of their oligarch friends.

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So like my question is, you know, like this,

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we have this blatant recycling of the WMD horseshit

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and it's the same playbook that we've seen

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in the Middle East play out

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or seen play out in the Middle East

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for the last, you know, five decades.

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So do you believe the bipartisan establishment

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like despite its rhetorical differences

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is like aligned with this strategy

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of regime chains for the oligarchs?

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Like where the only difference between

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a Bush and Obama, a Biden, a Trump

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is basically the political packaging

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of like a preplanned oil and power grab

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because we all know that Venezuela

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has the largest oil reserves in the world.

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Well, I mean, first off, America has huge oil reserves

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and strategically we just don't use them

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while we go jack other peoples.

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I would also remind the audience

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that in the 21st century,

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the Iraq oil from that war did not come to America.

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That was the rhetoric before

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we're going to go get it to get the oil.

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But I think that it went to other

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maybe Middle East allies.

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I don't know where the oil didn't come here.

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It's the contracts that Chevron gets

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and the BP gets from that, you know,

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that doesn't benefit the United States at all.

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Well, and Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron, right?

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Harming Karzai worked for Chevron,

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who became president of Afghanistan

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after the new regime was installed.

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So to answer your question,

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it is top-down precipitated because they have a...

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So it goes back to the first question.

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The foreign policy has nothing to do

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with what's going on right now.

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It has to do with what they're trying to build.

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And what you see going on right now

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is just like the place where they're breaking ground

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for the new construction.

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But they're building a global entity.

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And so the quickest, easiest summary would be...

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There was a book in 1966 titled

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Tragedy and Hope, A History of the World of Our Time

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by Georgetown professor of Foreign Service, Carol Quigley,

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and he was the mentor of Bill Clinton.

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Quigley himself was mentored by a Rhodes scholar

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named Crane Brinton, and a Rhodes scholar

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is a scholarship fund set up by the Rothschild family

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in 1901 for Cecil Rhodes,

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who was one of their project managers.

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What project did he run?

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That's a great question.

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He went to South Africa, commodified diamonds.

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He basically bought the pumps to the mines...

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bought pumps because the mines flood.

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So he bought all the pumps.

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He let the mines flood.

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He bought the mines, you know, pennies on a dollar.

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Then he controls the farmer to beers, diamond fields.

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He also gets into gold mining.

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And then they create a colony,

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which is the biggest thing you can do as a British citizen

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is to go colonize another place on the planet for the crown.

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And he is enacting a British Empire agenda.

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He's enacting a British Freemason agenda.

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He helps to colonize, create the apartheid state of South Africa,

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which has an interesting and fascinating history.

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But in 1902, when Rhodes died,

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he left the last will and testament

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to create a secret society based on the Jesuits

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but replacing the Catholic universe with the British Empire.

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So he's like, these guys have a plan.

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Let's apply their plan to our project.

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And to do that,

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he creates a secret society and a scholarship fund

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to ameliorate people from other countries

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into the Oxford British Empire agenda for world domination.

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So by the time you get into the 20th century,

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from 1902 on, you have very much precipitating

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in American history the British influence

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to get us to forget about why we ever went to war with them

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in the first place.

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And now we're best friends in a special relationship.

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And their GCHQ creates our NSA.

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Their MI6 creates our OSS and later CIA.

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Our intelligence functionality comes top down

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from another country that used to be our enemy.

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And then we went and created other countries together

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in the Anglo-American establishment relationship

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that are also in the news quite often.

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So there's a really interesting history

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of the real movers and shakers

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and you can really see how power works.

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But the powers that be censored Quigley's book.

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As soon as it was printed, they broke the printing plates

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so it couldn't be republished.

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They lied to Quigley and said it was out of stock

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and there was no one trying to buy it.

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And then it became an urban legend,

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dare I say a myth for like 40 years.

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And only in 2004 did it get republished to the public.

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And I was so incredulous.

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Most of my learning comes from not believing the claims.

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I was incredulous.

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There cannot be an influential financial family

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of the international variety for multi-generations

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called the Rothschilds without me knowing about it.

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I have a college degree.

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I worked for enterprise software, you know, people

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in Wall Street and all the big banks

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and all the insurance companies never heard this name.

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I would get to Wall Street Journal.

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I get Forbes. I get Therans.

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I never heard this name.

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This is bullshit.

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But come to find out page 52.

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Carol Quigley is like, hey, there's this international banking family

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and they have a lot of influence on funding nations.

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Oh, it's fascinating.

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Later in like page 960s, like these groups fund the right

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and the left, the communists and the capitalists.

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They're amalgamating the whole planet into an agenda

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with a desired outcome of eroding personal freedom

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to control the individual for total slavery.

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Like, I think it's very anti-universe, this idea.

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I don't think we are created to be slaves eternally.

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I think we have some human problems.

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And if we work out those human problems,

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we can have a really, really fascinating, fruitful future

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that is peaceful, not because we took away people's rights

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to disagree or to resist, but because people could actually

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speak and interact on a level that is higher in consciousness

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and humanity and understanding.

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Because anytime we have a war,

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we have to dehumanize the people over there

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so we can go drop those awful, awfully destructive things

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that we've created over the years.

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The bombing of Nuremberg was not an American ideal,

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but the British are like, it's okay if you do that.

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It's okay to bomb cities and civilians.

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And a couple years later, guess what?

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We're bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki with ungodly weapons.

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So the biggest weapons dealers in history

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of the US and Britain are at the top of that list,

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it's a war economy that's been driven since World War I

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when you look into how did America get involved

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in World War I or World War II.

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There is some very disingenuous dishonesty going on

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from the British side, getting America as the unwitting

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cousin who doesn't know any better to start getting

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in bed with some of this stuff.

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And the ruling families, the Eastern elite of America,

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very much knew what they were doing.

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But the honest people were like,

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I want to join the service and go defend my country

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and make sure my community doesn't get overrun

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by communism or something like that.

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Those people all got used for an agenda

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that they were not read into.

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They didn't have informed consent.

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There was no transparency.

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And that's always proof that the other side knows

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what they're doing is wrong

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because otherwise they wouldn't lie about it.

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Yeah, man.

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And it's really interesting.

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You mentioned that one of the things

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when it comes to giving people the sort of information,

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I always like to point people towards a series

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of books written by Professor Anthony C. Sutton

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called The Wall Street Trilogy because, you know,

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like oftentimes to talk about world histories,

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particularly like the Bolshevik Revolution,

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things of that nature.

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And like a lot of people still haven't realized

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that the entire rise of communism was funded

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by Western capitalists in Wall Street,

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basically with the understanding that

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because communism is an inherently flawed

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economic ideology, once it would collapse

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the Eastern Wall, then the capitalists could come in

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and buy up everything for pennies on the dollar,

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which is exactly what happened after the Soviet Union collapsed.

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And it's so interesting like that history of it.

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And it's sort of particularly why sometimes

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I catch a little bit of grief

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from the libertarian community when I criticize capitalism

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because I'm an agorist.

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Like I'm a full, like full-on free market,

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voluntary, you know, voluntary exchange,

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like and I essentially view capitalism in practice

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as we have it right now is...

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Cartel.

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It is corporatism, exactly.

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And so they're two, it's a false,

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the capitalism versus communism thing in my mind

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is the same false dichotomy

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as like Republican versus Democrat.

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They're both shit, you know,

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we just have a free market where it's

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voluntary free exchange and we're fine.

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But to bounce back to something you had mentioned earlier,

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I really wanted to get your opinion on this

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because I did not know actually that you worked on series

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as like a follow-up sequel to Narcos.

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That's really cool.

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And I remember a couple of years ago,

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I saw this show on FX,

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you probably know about it, it's called Snowfall.

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And I just got into it because I thought it was neat

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and I was blown away when spoilers

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for anyone who hasn't seen it and wants to see it

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you get into the first few episodes

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and it starts to tell the story

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of how crack cocaine was being brought into

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South Central Los Angeles via the CIA

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during the whole Iran-Contra thing.

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And I was just astonished that a

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primetime cable network show

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was just like openly telling this sort of truth

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and it reminded me that a few years ago,

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like 2017, we even covered it here at the Free Thought Project.

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There was a documentary that the History Channel

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put out as well about that very same thing.

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So I wanted to get your perspective

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since you worked on a show similar to that.

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Why is it, do you think now that certain networks

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and like production groups

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like Netflix, Amazon, History, whatever

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are starting to put out shows

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that are actually telling the truth about the fact that

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the big drug epidemics were brought in

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by the CIA, by our own government

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is that they just don't care anymore

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and they'll just put the cat out of the bag?

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It's kind of getting us to look over the shoulder.

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So they feel free a lot of times

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to tell you about something they did 30 years ago

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but they don't want you to think they're doing it now.

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But it's always a sliding window of time, right?

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They'll put people under gag orders.

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There was a famous whistleblower a couple days ago.

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Gag order expired in like May of 2025

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and what he's talking about goes back to the tunnels

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of El Chapo and the little railroad that they had

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and underground, all that stuff.

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So let's break it open like this.

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Anthony Sutton's trilogy is remarkable

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but he wrote a lot of other books

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and so I just want to point that out.

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He wrote one on the Federal Reserve,

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he wrote one on gold,

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he wrote prolifically on a bunch of different subjects

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but they're all around individual freedom and liberty

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and then following your thread through

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the capitalism versus communism,

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like ever since they gave corporate personhood

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you know, Santa Clara County versus Union Pacific Railroad

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in 1898, that was a skull and bones chief justice

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and it was a misinterpreted case.

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So that's a whole mess right there

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but that's part of it.

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Now you bring in the ideas of

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you know, conkin the third and you bring in

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an algorithm in the midst of a cartel environment

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and then that doesn't play so well either.

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So we have the reality which exists,

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we have the utopic vision that we want

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and we have to not compromise

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because thesis plus antithesis

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is taking truth, mixing it with shit

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and then you have shit in your truth.

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That's synthesis.

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We want to stick to the thesis.

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We just need to involve another

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you know, like a larger group of people

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in the understanding that these ideas

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of the war on drugs

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that is still going on today

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and it's various other guises, right?

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So if they don't learn the history

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they can't see how it applies to now.

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Now going back to freeway, Rick Ross

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and the crack cocaine epidemic

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Gary Webb and all that sort of stuff.

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I have a friend who's a filmmaker

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his name's Kevin Booth

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and he made a couple films

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American Drug War and American Drug War 2

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and American Drug War Part 1

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is all about the CIA crack cocaine

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and that epidemic being brought into America.

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Rick Ross, not the rapper

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the actual Rick Ross

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he's out there and does interviews

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and you know, so that's a fascinating situation.

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There's some whistleblowers around it.

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I remember Mike Rupert

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confronting John Deutch famously

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about that whole situation

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and John Deutch that is confronted

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by Mike Rupert is a co-author

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of a 1998 document

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for Council on Foreign Relations

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with Philip Zellacow

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and Ashton Carter who later becomes

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Defense Secretary after 9-11.

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It's called Catastrophic Terrorism

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a new Pearl Harbor is mentioned in there

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so are the World Trade Centers

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all the things that are in the PNAC report from 2000

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are in a November 1998

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Council on Foreign Relations issue that I own

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and I've shown as an artifact

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because this is what breaks people's narratives

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when they see artifacts in reality

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that contradict their thinking on the story

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that's the only way I've found the breakthrough

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and that's why I've spent so much time

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collecting and showcasing certain artifacts

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that show people what they're telling you is a lie

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and this is the easiest way out

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of learning it

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and not suffering the consequences of the lie anymore

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Well, I see that your expert historian

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knowledge is coming out

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Richard, I certainly appreciate that

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a little bit of perspective on some of this stuff

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We actually talked to James Corbett

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I think it was in the beginning of this year

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I know he's a friend of yours

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and has worked with you to create

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autonomy courses and stuff

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but we were kind of talking about some of the parallels

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as well as far as the mainstream

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touching more on some of the 9-11 truths

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It does seem like that is a tactic

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20 years plus now

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and now they share some of this information

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and of course, there's a whole new generation now

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who's a voting age

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who wasn't even alive when 9-11 happened

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so I guess they could kind of

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peel back the curtain a little bit

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and throw us a little bit something to keep us guessing

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and we just talked

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touched on the drug trafficking there

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You mentioned Gary Webb, I just thought briefly

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I would also say that yesterday

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was actually the 21-year anniversary

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that he

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supposedly shot himself twice in the head

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and committed suicide

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Man, that guy has done so much for

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truth and his truths

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still do resonate to this day

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He's probably more of a popular figure

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now, an American hero now

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than he was in the 90s

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when he was reporting on a lot of this stuff

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in the early 2000s

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but you know, we are heading towards

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the end of the podcast now

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and I did want to touch on a couple other things

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I wanted to shift gears a little bit

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to talk about Israel

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and the IDF and some work that you've done recently

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because I know you and your wife

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were involved in helping secure

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the release of Muhammad Ibrahim

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who is a 16-year-old

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US citizen of Palestinian descent

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who was unfortunately imprisoned by the IDF

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It's certainly a powerful story

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but can you maybe walk us through

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how you got involved

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with all of that, what the process was like

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and you know, what it confirmed

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about these systems of power

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that we've been discussing

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Well

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to keep it succinct

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I covered a story on the Grand Theft World podcast

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I think the first week of September

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and the story was about

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there was two stories actually

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it was tragic and it brought me to tears

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just playing the two stories

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the first story is

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16-year-old Florida

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US citizen

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kidnapped

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in the West Bank, not Gaza

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he was visiting family in the West Bank

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kidnapped by IDF forces in the middle of the night

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blindfolded, kidnapped, taken from his parents

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held in an adult military prison

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famous for torture

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that was the second story that we played

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I showed people like this is what goes on

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at the place they're holding this US citizen

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okay

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and I

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was upset about it

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and the next morning I told my wife

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we had to cover this story last night

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it was really hard to do, it's gut wrenching

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like this is an American, he's an American teenager

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he's third generation American

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he has hundreds of relatives in this country

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and he went home to see other relatives

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in the West Bank

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which has been occupied illegally by Israel since 1967

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when they

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attacked the USS Liberty to gain

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those areas, Gaza

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and the West Bank were taken

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in 1967, there are legal settlements

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in the West Bank declared

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since 1967

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so this kid, he's an American

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he's over there, he gets jacked

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I don't hear about it, this happened in January

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I don't hear about it until

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September, okay

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he's been in there

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I don't know, whatever, nine months or eight months at that point

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and

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I think he was 15 when he was taken, he turned 16

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while he's in the torturous

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situations, so anyway I was very upset

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and my wife

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likewise was very taken by it

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because she's like, you know

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we have a nephew, they kind of look alike

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you know what I'm saying, our nephew's Italian

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but the same age

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so it's just that sort of thing

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like there's tens of thousands

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of children being murdered over there

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and that's too much

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for people to deal with, but when there's one

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and there's one that maybe you can do something about

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that's when you try

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so my wife said the next morning

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I wish I knew somebody that could help

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Muhammad, like wow, who do we know

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like really, we know a lot of people

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but do we know someone that can spring him

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out of an Israeli military

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prison, the answer is no, so what do you do

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when you don't know, you reach out

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and ask, so we have a group chat

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someplace and there's some people

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on there who are

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Bitcoin aficionados and people who

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like worked with us, you deliberate

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Ross Ulbricht earlier this year

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these sort of things, right? So the question

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went out and somebody came back and said

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I know somebody who knows someone in the Trump

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administration and the Israeli administration

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and I don't know that that went anywhere

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or had any effect, but that was like a first

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step and then it was like let's

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get Muhammad's story in front of

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the young Turks or Katie Halper

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or any number of outlets that would

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embrace the story of an American

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being kidnapped and his family

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wanting to return

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and then my wife talked

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to some other friends and there was someone

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who was a Twitter influencer with

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a larger audience and he said if you just

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write up a summary, I will share it, so

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I proofread the summary that she read

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and that went out and then we got

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in touch, well she got in touch with

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Muhammad's uncle Zied

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who lives in Florida, he's a businessman,

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he's an entrepreneur and what

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Muhammad and his cousins were doing was

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they were running an ice cream shop in Tampa

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okay?

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So these kids, their dads got together

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they bought them a business, they

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very much believe in working with family

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they got this Dubai chocolate ice cream

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it's off the hook dude, they have this amazing business

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in Tampa, but while Muhammad

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is in prison, his

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cousin, Saifallah

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from Tampa

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is killed

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by the Israeli IDF

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in a torturous way, I won't even describe it

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but it's covered

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in the interview that I did with Muhammad's

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uncle Zied a couple weeks ago

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and so this kid who's held

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his older cousin who owns the shop

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he's like 19 or whatever, he gets killed

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and

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he got killed by settlers

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he got gang beaten

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death type of thing, right? Jesus

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so

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I'm learning about this, we're getting in touch

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and we're talking with Zied and

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helping him in any way we can

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navigate this very obtuse situation

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he's saying, well Mike Huckabee

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came to the family and said this

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let me tell you what Mike Huckabee

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and what he's all about

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and so I just wanted them to have

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realistic expectations

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and there were some favorable

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things that happened, like Marco Rubio

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is the Secretary of State, he should be

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getting an American citizen back to Florida

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except Larry Ellison

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handpicked Marco Rubio

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because he's a friend of Israel back in 2014

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for this whole thing

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you can't go to the people who already got

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to get your people out

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so then you have to like get some press

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coverage and that puts a little

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heat on the situation and

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they gave him the run around

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and I think what the Israelis were doing was

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they knew this was a difficult situation

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that they did not want to deal with

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they did not want this type of publicity

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because it could really blow up so once

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it was noted that this is not just any kid

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they started to give him IVs

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and food and fatten them up because he had

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scabies, like his skin was being eaten

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by these parasites and the privilege

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it was fucking awful dude

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so Muhammad is now home

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with his family as of about

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a week ago and

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the precedent set to release Muhammad

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was used to release the other three kids

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because it was a collective punishment situation

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and they were trying to lean on all the kids to

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rat out one of the other ones and

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that is a very very harsh

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teenage upbringing but

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when you get into like what happened to his cousin

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Sefala, like they're lucky

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to still be alive and come home and see their families

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and live to tell about it so

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a lot of people involved in that

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success story that was just

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like you know my small

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part in it with my wife about like bringing

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a little attention to kind of like

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blow the cinder you know there's

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a little spark and you make it into a little bit more of

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a fire and we were just trying to help

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put that together so that kid could come home

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well great work man and even though

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they did I didn't hear that they tried to fatten him up

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he still came out like you know double digit

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weight loss with scabies still

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yeah you see when he's released

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he's got an IV in his arm and stuff like that

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so I think they did say

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we can't release him in this situation he was in

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so they had to

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and let's tell our listeners what he was

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actually allegedly in jail for

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throwing rocks at tanks

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allegedly

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yes right well not even at tanks I think it was

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allegedly throwing rocks at settlers

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and they didn't like he wasn't even accused

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of throwing rocks he was just with the kids

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who were accused of throwing the rocks

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throwing rocks and they were trying to

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get them to roll and you know it's famous

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for years palestinian kids throwing

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rocks at tanks and stuff like that and being shot

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and this has been going on for decades

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right and my

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my personal part was I

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told my audience I said I was once

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a kid and I threw rocks at cars on the street

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I grew up in the woods I'd never seen

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cars go by so close and I

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was at a friend's house it was on the main road

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and I was like four years old and I was like I bet I could hit one of those cars

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I tried and I missed I tried and I missed

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I tried and ding oh I got one

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so I was like I'll try again and the second person

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stopped and was like where's your mom

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and I remember that day

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and I never threw rocks at cars again

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but like you know if I

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did that in another that country that situation

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that's a very different outcome

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so like the innocence of youth

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and the mistakes that kids make is not

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usurped because of

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any other political agenda

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I just thought is

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intolerable yeah correct and then

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when we're talking about the scale of

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rocks versus tanks I mean

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there's that whole discussion as well right

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like I mean these are palestinians

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who really are fighting with

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very little tools on their

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side against you know a very well

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formed modern

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army with technology

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and tanks and all the above but

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I mean the my bottom line would be

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I never took interest in

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Zionism I didn't

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even know it was a thing until after 9

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11 right I

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got called a Zionist the day

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after my first publication

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and the logic was

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because Dylan Avery had worked with somebody

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in Connecticut their Zionist or whatever

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so we must be Zion I was like I don't even know what you people

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were saying and they doxxed me and

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I got doxxed so like

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May 31st 2006 is my first

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publication whatever June

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1st 2006 we got doxxed and

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got called Zionist or whatever and I

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had no idea about any of that but I did know

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there were

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Israel influenced

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agents and companies involved in my experience

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with 9 11 so then I started putting

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oh Zionism is the political agenda of these

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people who are doing these things

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and if the Zionist story was

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truthful I would back it

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seems like a you know

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real struggle against oppressive people

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and you know you should be back because you're the victim

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however if you

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read the notes the the journals

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the letters of the founding Zionists

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they knew the whole time that they were going to take someone

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else's country and that those people would resist

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and they were rightful to do so

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then Koreans let her say these

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things over and over and over again kind

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vitesman kind vitesman

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and these guys are writing back with Cecil Rhodes like hey

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we really admire your project how we do a part

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tied here so like the history

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behind this is fascinating

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and what they're able to block from most people's perspective

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is also impressive because

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a couple words like conspiracy theory

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you know that's CIA

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document 1035-960

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countering criticism of the

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war and commission report at the 24 page memo

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where they decide to use

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the phrase conspiracy theory as a

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pejorative to

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advance CIA propaganda

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why would they have to do that if Oswald really killed Kennedy

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why does it take 30 volumes

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because I have the

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I have the senator's copy of the war and commission report

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I have 30 volumes on how

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it was a magic bullet bro

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that's why it takes 30 volumes because it doesn't make any sense

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and just really quick on that

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I find it really interesting

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Jacob Hornberger has been doing such great

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work covering the CIA

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involvement in the JFK assassination

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and the thing that he comes

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to the conclusion of

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when he really zones in on the

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autopsy specifically and this is

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sort of like this in a way the smoking

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gun that I use like the verb

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for a bit of a smoking gun

50:43.790 --> 50:46.470
for whenever I get into I could debate people about this

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which is hardly ever but

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the fact that

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it is proof positive

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that the JFK autopsy

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report was

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fraudulent

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there's only one reason why

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the only people that could do that is the US Army and the

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Secret Service

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there's only one reason why the US Army and the Secret Service

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would create a fake

51:07.690 --> 51:10.030
autopsy report and it's because they were involved

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there's no if ends or bus

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agreed now let's

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add to that you know what the first

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weapon found at the

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depository was

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I do not

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the weapon identified as shooting

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Jack Kennedy on that day was found by a Dallas police

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officer with World War two

51:27.510 --> 51:28.850
fighting experience

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he said

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it was identified as a German

51:33.090 --> 51:35.370
Mauser so now we got two German

51:35.370 --> 51:36.670
Mausers and two magic bullets

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decades apart that's an interesting

51:40.210 --> 51:40.830
situation

51:40.830 --> 51:43.550
and then didn't they later change it to

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being an Italian Carcano

51:44.790 --> 51:47.470
well yeah so that's what they do they can't match

51:47.470 --> 51:49.490
like the Mauser is not where Oswald was

51:49.490 --> 51:51.350
the Mauser is in the different part of the

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building and that was probably part of the

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executive order executive action kill team

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the go ahead and leave it

51:57.630 --> 51:59.430
don't take it with you no one's going to get

51:59.430 --> 52:01.570
it even the guy who finds it like it's

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never going to get out there for 50 years that he

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found it or identified it as the weapon

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so man linker

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Carcano is not a

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species that exists naturally in nature

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it's like an artificial creation

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so they take the Italian Carcano rifle

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they match it with the Manlicker

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German World War two

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kind of magazine and now they

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have like the axis of

52:23.370 --> 52:25.410
evil immortalized in a

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rifle held by a guy in a poor

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Photoshop picture in his backyard

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who worked for them like Oswald worked

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for them like oh who's the guy

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there he was being I know the dude who

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the name of the guy who handled

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Oswald

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worked with

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now he worked with

52:42.250 --> 52:44.590
William Bloom later he was

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oh jeez

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there was this okay so real quick

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there's a guy on the internet

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who's in prison who claims he killed Jack Kennedy

52:52.730 --> 52:54.010
you guys ever see that interview

52:54.550 --> 52:56.330
he's like older guy with a mustache

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he tells this really interesting

52:58.430 --> 53:00.150
story now he's been locked up since the

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70s the guy who's telling you the story

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okay I know enough about the crime

53:04.610 --> 53:06.470
to know this I don't know if he's

53:06.470 --> 53:08.430
the guy who killed Kennedy or if he's just trying to be

53:08.430 --> 53:10.570
famous from saying that but I do know

53:10.570 --> 53:12.370
this the information

53:12.370 --> 53:14.570
that he gives you during that interview

53:14.570 --> 53:16.710
can be verified a number

53:16.710 --> 53:18.470
of ways and there's no way he could

53:18.470 --> 53:20.050
know such things unless

53:20.050 --> 53:22.450
he was participating in it because he hasn't

53:22.450 --> 53:24.450
had access to the internet or all these books that

53:24.450 --> 53:25.870
I've had to read to learn these things

53:26.490 --> 53:28.450
so when he's saying that Oswald

53:28.450 --> 53:30.010
was staying in such and such hotel

53:30.010 --> 53:32.550
and that such and such CIA guy

53:32.550 --> 53:34.330
was handling him it wasn't

53:34.330 --> 53:36.270
Tosh Plumlee but it was it was a guy

53:36.270 --> 53:38.330
like in those circles of the

53:38.330 --> 53:40.230
January 22nd

53:40.230 --> 53:42.130
1963 Mexico City

53:42.130 --> 53:44.030
meeting like Porter Goss

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who appears again

53:46.330 --> 53:48.210
in 9-11 so you got Barry Seal

53:48.210 --> 53:50.550
Porter Goss, Tosh Plumlee, Felix Rodriguez

53:50.550 --> 53:52.230
Felix Rodriguez might be involved

53:52.230 --> 53:54.630
in that Kiki Camarena story I told you earlier

53:54.630 --> 53:55.970
it might be

53:55.970 --> 53:57.730
him being named in the Netflix

53:57.730 --> 54:00.370
I'm sorry Amazon last narc series

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so there's a long

54:02.330 --> 54:04.250
history in the like the Civil Air Patrol

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that also plays into the JFK assassination

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they were smuggling drugs

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Barry Seal

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working with David Ferry and those guys they're smuggling drugs

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what was George W. Bush missing

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wasn't he A-Wall in the Air National Guard

54:16.010 --> 54:17.630
who was he A-Wall with

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he was A-Wall with James R. Bath

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Major James R. Bath

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it's blacked out on the documents

54:23.990 --> 54:25.790
but if you research it that's James Bath

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who's James Bath he's the Bin Laden family

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money manager that intersects

54:30.810 --> 54:31.950
with the Bush family

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before 9-11 this is all

54:34.550 --> 54:36.210
in Mark Lombardi's artwork

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you can pick up global networks because they killed

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Mark Lombardi March 22nd

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3-2-2-thousand before 9-11

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but after 9-11 the FBI went

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to the museums Whitney Museum Jewish Museum

54:46.550 --> 54:48.550
said we want to see Lombardi's work because

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he tracked the whole Narco Terrorism network

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he did BCCI he did Iran Concha

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I mean it's all there

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and that's where I learned

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to do network diagrams and make

54:58.630 --> 55:00.270
them into software connections

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and that's where I built my history blueprint for the past

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I don't know 15 years since like

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2008 it's almost 20 years

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so I've got 11,000

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entities and 50,000

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links that you can

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surf through and see all the connections between

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these people that don't exist apparently

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for those who have too little

55:18.690 --> 55:20.310
RAM to consider the truth

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that's certainly one way to put it

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well I

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for one appreciate all this

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knowledge that you're sharing with us

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I don't know I don't have quite

55:30.750 --> 55:32.830
the depth of understanding on this

55:32.830 --> 55:34.730
JFK as you guys do

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but it's certainly interesting and

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it really kind of almost

55:38.810 --> 55:40.570
opens up the door to shifting

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and segwaying into Charlie Kirk if

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we weren't running so low

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on time and I did want

55:46.830 --> 55:49.030
to get to my Liberty report card

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question just because I talked

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it up in the beginning of the podcast

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and I know the past few podcasts

55:54.830 --> 55:56.990
we've done I've kind of stepped on Matt's toes

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with the white pill question so

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I'm gonna back off a little bit

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and we'll just do the Liberty report

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card seeing it is the end of the year

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and you are such an OG in this movement

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and you know a little self-examination

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is never a bad thing right

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to examine our accomplishments and trajectory

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but we did have

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the writer and

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thought leader Jeffrey Tucker

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on the podcast last month

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he lives near me

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he lives near the town yeah

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well it was a great conversation definitely

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worth listening to guys if you haven't checked that one out already

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but he basically admitted

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after years of being an anarchist

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a libertarian anarchist that he's kind of grown

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disillusioned with trying to steer

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the Liberty movement in the right direction

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and he still supports

56:38.330 --> 56:39.890
the parallel systems idea

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but he basically argued that

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without some type of

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top-down apparatus to really dismantle

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the old order that were basically stuck

56:48.830 --> 56:50.490
so as we close out the year

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I want to ask you like where do you think

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we stand are do you feel like we're making

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progress kind of building awareness

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of natural rights and exposing things

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like the surveillance state and

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the encroaching police state

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or are there areas that we're falling short

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and you know somebody

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who has been doing this and watching

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the arc of this movement for two decades it seems

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you know to make sense to ask you

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about it I mean I could be highly

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critical and tell you all the things we're doing

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wrong and where we need to improve but let's

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look at the things that we're doing right

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over the past 20 years

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we've gone from not

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being able to talk about these topics

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with anybody basically

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to being able to talk

57:30.490 --> 57:31.950
about these things with anybody

57:32.410 --> 57:34.530
I could go to my garbage guy that's picking up the

57:34.530 --> 57:36.510
garbage at the end of the road here and be like hey

57:36.510 --> 57:38.530
what do you think about this Epstein deal and them

57:38.530 --> 57:40.530
not releasing those files they

57:40.530 --> 57:42.470
have opinions they want to know what do you think

57:42.470 --> 57:44.690
about the Charlie Kirk murder well I think

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it's awfully odd those texts he sent

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right before he got killed right so

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these sort of things that

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were taboo or you know

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back room conversations with your buddies

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but never out in public like these

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things are all now getting a place in the first

57:58.770 --> 58:00.750
amendment circle of ideas to

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be considered and you couldn't

58:02.810 --> 58:04.990
have a fair landscape when such ideas

58:04.990 --> 58:06.650
are censored and held

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back and that's you know

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preventing people from getting to the truth they seek

58:10.870 --> 58:12.570
what why do we need the truth

58:12.570 --> 58:14.610
that it is important to discern

58:14.610 --> 58:16.550
truth from fiction in order to make

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accurate choices judgments and decisions

58:18.610 --> 58:20.590
and that reflects how we actually survive

58:20.590 --> 58:22.510
in this world so it's pretty damn important

58:22.510 --> 58:24.630
but they don't teach us about this in school

58:24.630 --> 58:26.150
so we could say woe is us

58:26.150 --> 58:28.690
we are broken they they got the better

58:28.690 --> 58:30.590
of us or we could say look it's only

58:30.590 --> 58:32.570
half time if we come back out

58:32.570 --> 58:34.670
on the field and we try our hardest and we use

58:34.670 --> 58:36.430
some methods and we out learn them and we

58:36.430 --> 58:38.410
are optimistic and

58:38.410 --> 58:40.850
we have an attitude of gratitude and we are innovative

58:40.850 --> 58:42.910
because we can defeat them with better ideas

58:42.910 --> 58:44.310
we haven't even thought of yet

58:44.850 --> 58:46.770
they are trying to destroy freedom because they don't

58:46.770 --> 58:48.610
understand it therefore they fear it therefore

58:48.610 --> 58:50.650
they cannot really destroy it unless they get

58:50.650 --> 58:52.110
us to destroy it for ourselves

58:52.730 --> 58:54.950
they're always trying to catch up to the innovation

58:54.950 --> 58:56.970
of freedom people they got the flock cameras

58:56.970 --> 58:59.150
you got the apps to block the flock stuff

58:59.150 --> 59:00.670
they're going to make that illegal now you're

59:00.670 --> 59:02.570
going to have people stand up and say go ahead put us

59:02.570 --> 59:04.870
all in jail right when you make

59:04.870 --> 59:05.910
everyone a criminal

59:06.350 --> 59:08.310
those people might decide to branch out

59:08.310 --> 59:10.330
you made me a criminal because I had a

59:10.330 --> 59:12.490
Montana plate on my Ferrari

59:12.490 --> 59:13.970
when I drove it through the cornfield

59:13.970 --> 59:16.470
well maybe I'll just take on the black hat

59:16.470 --> 59:18.490
mentality like when they're doing these things

59:18.490 --> 59:20.350
with certain influencers out there that are

59:20.350 --> 59:22.450
going on and the influencers

59:22.450 --> 59:24.930
have enough Cajones to stand their ground

59:24.930 --> 59:26.490
it's a positive example

59:26.490 --> 59:28.450
for other people to say hey I can stand my ground

59:28.450 --> 59:30.490
too hey maybe I could stand up against

59:30.490 --> 59:32.470
oppression and these people who are

59:32.470 --> 59:33.810
totally predatory

59:34.290 --> 59:36.130
and willing to lie at every turn

59:36.130 --> 59:38.030
we must caveat mentor

59:38.030 --> 59:40.090
we must learn to not accept their offers

59:40.090 --> 59:41.130
of not truth

59:41.910 --> 59:44.170
and we must learn to be able to explain our positions

59:44.170 --> 59:46.030
step by step how we arrived

59:46.030 --> 59:47.750
at that conclusion to someone else

59:47.750 --> 59:50.290
and now we can actually have forward

59:50.290 --> 59:51.890
progress so I don't think

59:51.890 --> 59:53.390
I mean I'm not saying the Tucker's wrong

59:53.390 --> 59:55.510
Jeffrey Tucker is right on many things

59:56.110 --> 59:58.210
but I don't think you need to top down

59:58.210 --> 59:59.770
like strong man

59:59.770 --> 01:00:01.910
to like impose all this stuff

01:00:01.910 --> 01:00:03.610
I think the strong man in the scenario

01:00:03.610 --> 01:00:05.870
if he's right is an idea

01:00:05.870 --> 01:00:07.830
whose time has come

01:00:07.830 --> 01:00:09.910
and that idea permeates

01:00:09.910 --> 01:00:11.230
such that you know

01:00:11.230 --> 01:00:13.510
when you outgrow something you physically

01:00:13.510 --> 01:00:15.630
can't put it back on anymore ideas are

01:00:15.630 --> 01:00:17.450
like that too learning is like that too

01:00:17.450 --> 01:00:19.450
so as we come to learn

01:00:19.450 --> 01:00:21.670
about the denial of our rights

01:00:21.670 --> 01:00:23.790
of passage the denial of knowledge

01:00:23.790 --> 01:00:25.590
of self the denial of knowledge of our

01:00:25.590 --> 01:00:27.630
environment and we see how that how lost

01:00:27.630 --> 01:00:29.230
and confused that makes people

01:00:29.230 --> 01:00:31.650
when we see that they already

01:00:31.650 --> 01:00:33.090
know the opposition knows

01:00:33.610 --> 01:00:35.850
1938 Yale Institute of Human Relations

01:00:35.850 --> 01:00:37.210
Frustration Aggression Studies

01:00:37.210 --> 01:00:39.750
if you are blocked from attaining

01:00:39.750 --> 01:00:41.250
your goal you will get frustrated

01:00:41.250 --> 01:00:43.410
anyone who gets frustrated will

01:00:43.410 --> 01:00:45.390
get aggressive so therefore

01:00:45.390 --> 01:00:47.650
society either has a pill for you if you get frustrated

01:00:47.650 --> 01:00:49.410
or they have a cage if you get aggressive

01:00:49.410 --> 01:00:51.690
now those are the guide rails

01:00:51.690 --> 01:00:53.710
we have to interact with a solution

01:00:53.710 --> 01:00:55.710
without tripping up on either of those

01:00:55.710 --> 01:00:57.790
guardrails so I think it's

01:00:57.790 --> 01:00:59.830
for individuals to take

01:00:59.830 --> 01:01:01.530
back their power to say

01:01:01.530 --> 01:01:03.610
I'm not a victim because if I'm a victim

01:01:03.610 --> 01:01:05.970
someone else is doing this to me and I have no control

01:01:05.970 --> 01:01:08.130
I'm going to take what do they call it

01:01:08.130 --> 01:01:09.630
extreme, extreme ownership

01:01:09.630 --> 01:01:10.950
that's what Jaco called it right

01:01:10.950 --> 01:01:13.650
I'm not the biggest fan but sometimes he says

01:01:13.650 --> 01:01:15.230
something that rings true and I'll use it

01:01:15.230 --> 01:01:17.430
extreme ownership over your own situation

01:01:17.430 --> 01:01:19.710
and say okay we didn't

01:01:19.710 --> 01:01:21.890
choose to come into this place doing these things

01:01:21.890 --> 01:01:24.250
we were born into this place and these things are going on

01:01:24.250 --> 01:01:25.950
are we going to live our one

01:01:25.950 --> 01:01:27.890
and only precious life under

01:01:27.890 --> 01:01:30.110
the guise of these illusions or are we going to learn

01:01:30.110 --> 01:01:31.930
not to be dependent on that

01:01:31.930 --> 01:01:34.270
authority and be obedient to things

01:01:34.270 --> 01:01:35.930
that aren't true we're going to learn to

01:01:35.930 --> 01:01:37.850
actually deal with reality we're going to take

01:01:37.850 --> 01:01:39.810
things step by step we're going to apply methods

01:01:39.810 --> 01:01:41.750
to get desired results consistently

01:01:41.750 --> 01:01:43.910
and we're going to enact the solution that we

01:01:43.910 --> 01:01:45.430
can be every day in our life

01:01:45.430 --> 01:01:47.870
and make our life into a lifestyle

01:01:47.870 --> 01:01:49.810
a mosaic of freedom that

01:01:49.810 --> 01:01:51.830
shines and outlasts our being

01:01:51.830 --> 01:01:53.830
here on the planet in a positive way

01:01:53.830 --> 01:01:56.010
meaning it influences future generations

01:01:56.010 --> 01:01:58.370
it influences people in other places

01:01:58.370 --> 01:01:59.650
to do likewise

01:01:59.650 --> 01:02:02.070
because we can and these people who are

01:02:02.070 --> 01:02:03.550
trying to subjugate us

01:02:03.550 --> 01:02:06.270
they are not worth our intellectual

01:02:06.270 --> 01:02:08.190
respect but until you grow

01:02:08.190 --> 01:02:09.770
enough to see boy

01:02:09.770 --> 01:02:11.790
Barry Weiss might be full of shit

01:02:11.790 --> 01:02:14.350
oh my god this might be something else going on

01:02:14.350 --> 01:02:16.110
Larry Ellison might have been planning

01:02:16.110 --> 01:02:18.850
this digital ID for the past 25 years

01:02:18.850 --> 01:02:20.170
I could prove that because

01:02:20.170 --> 01:02:22.270
my wife used to work at oracle on his sales

01:02:22.270 --> 01:02:23.770
organization in New York City

01:02:23.770 --> 01:02:25.790
and then litigated against his company

01:02:25.790 --> 01:02:27.830
for years let me tell you how that

01:02:27.830 --> 01:02:29.630
works out you could have the evidence

01:02:29.630 --> 01:02:31.830
it could be legally admissible and it can

01:02:31.830 --> 01:02:33.950
win the day but they tell

01:02:33.950 --> 01:02:35.830
you yeah the the jury

01:02:35.830 --> 01:02:37.450
is going to believe your story and they're going to

01:02:37.450 --> 01:02:39.750
side with you but we're going to appeal you're

01:02:39.750 --> 01:02:41.570
never going to see this money and how do you like the last

01:02:41.570 --> 01:02:43.550
6 years of your life you want the next 20 years

01:02:43.550 --> 01:02:45.850
of your life to be like this that's where it

01:02:45.850 --> 01:02:47.750
gets to so they know the

01:02:47.750 --> 01:02:49.890
end game and you as an innocent

01:02:49.890 --> 01:02:51.770
whistleblower or someone trying to assert

01:02:51.770 --> 01:02:53.390
your rights you're like I got protections

01:02:53.390 --> 01:02:55.650
and that's not how the world works

01:02:55.650 --> 01:02:57.810
and that was a million dollar education for both

01:02:57.810 --> 01:02:59.530
of us so learning

01:02:59.530 --> 01:03:01.910
how to remain optimistic in this

01:03:01.910 --> 01:03:03.830
black pill you know civil war

01:03:03.830 --> 01:03:05.890
environment how to cause people

01:03:05.890 --> 01:03:07.690
to find unity instead of

01:03:07.690 --> 01:03:09.510
division is

01:03:09.510 --> 01:03:11.610
like a life-saving

01:03:11.610 --> 01:03:13.790
skill these days so

01:03:13.790 --> 01:03:15.570
learn how to be a fireman

01:03:15.570 --> 01:03:17.410
that puts out the fires and not like

01:03:17.410 --> 01:03:19.490
Montog and those crazy fucks in

01:03:19.490 --> 01:03:20.610
Fahrenheit 451

01:03:22.350 --> 01:03:23.350
hell yeah man

01:03:23.350 --> 01:03:25.610
no army can stop an idea whose time

01:03:25.610 --> 01:03:27.330
has come and I believe that the

01:03:27.330 --> 01:03:29.410
idea is stop being so

01:03:29.410 --> 01:03:31.570
goddamn divided all the time because that's

01:03:31.570 --> 01:03:33.350
how they truly win and rule us man

01:03:33.350 --> 01:03:35.610
yeah that's a Victor Hugo quote just real

01:03:35.610 --> 01:03:37.650
quick I talk about problems for like

01:03:37.650 --> 01:03:39.570
the last 20 years for the past seven years

01:03:39.570 --> 01:03:41.630
I've been enacting solutions for adults

01:03:41.630 --> 01:03:42.790
who are plagued by

01:03:43.470 --> 01:03:45.570
not knowing these basic easy

01:03:45.570 --> 01:03:47.350
to learn things that can help people make

01:03:47.350 --> 01:03:49.010
success a consistent

01:03:49.010 --> 01:03:51.290
entity in their lives hey

01:03:51.290 --> 01:03:53.390
free thinkers this is mad agarist and I'm

01:03:53.390 --> 01:03:55.210
going to take a quick pause to remind you of something

01:03:55.210 --> 01:03:57.090
really important first off

01:03:57.090 --> 01:03:59.350
apologies for the interruption but if you're still

01:03:59.350 --> 01:04:01.270
here that means you're resonating with

01:04:01.270 --> 01:04:03.290
what we're doing and we need your help

01:04:03.290 --> 01:04:05.550
to keep it alive independent platforms

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01:04:09.170 --> 01:04:11.370
funding we survive because of you

01:04:11.370 --> 01:04:13.230
if you're finding value

01:04:13.230 --> 01:04:15.610
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01:04:27.870 --> 01:04:29.410
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this isn't just about

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supporting a podcast it's about

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01:04:35.810 --> 01:04:37.710
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01:04:37.710 --> 01:04:39.790
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your support is what keeps this

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platform alive and fighting

01:04:59.310 --> 01:05:01.490
so thank you for being part of this journey

01:05:01.490 --> 01:05:02.990
for sharing these ideas

01:05:02.990 --> 01:05:04.590
and for standing with us

01:05:05.310 --> 01:05:07.390
this is going to be the last question man so

01:05:07.390 --> 01:05:08.870
I'll show you the door before that man

01:05:08.870 --> 01:05:11.110
thank you so much for coming on today

01:05:11.110 --> 01:05:13.210
your expertise is

01:05:13.210 --> 01:05:14.610
pretty amazing dude you like

01:05:14.610 --> 01:05:17.190
connected dots through geopolitical

01:05:17.190 --> 01:05:19.330
games on oil grabs in Venezuela

01:05:19.330 --> 01:05:20.690
to the CIA

01:05:20.690 --> 01:05:23.190
and their drug trade you painted

01:05:23.190 --> 01:05:25.570
a pretty overwhelming picture of this institutionalized

01:05:25.570 --> 01:05:27.070
corruption that we live under

01:05:27.070 --> 01:05:28.990
currently man and you know

01:05:28.990 --> 01:05:31.290
the inspiring story you and your wife

01:05:31.290 --> 01:05:33.090
helping to get out Ibrahim man that's

01:05:33.090 --> 01:05:34.810
also pretty amazing as well dude

01:05:34.810 --> 01:05:37.550
the it's a concept of taking action

01:05:37.550 --> 01:05:39.050
right so the

01:05:39.050 --> 01:05:40.970
the white pill question has to do with that

01:05:40.970 --> 01:05:42.870
so you know you you said at the beginning

01:05:42.870 --> 01:05:44.970
of the podcast you dedicated like 20 years

01:05:44.970 --> 01:05:46.850
to dissecting this engine

01:05:46.850 --> 01:05:48.270
of centralized power and

01:05:48.930 --> 01:05:50.850
you know once you grasp the sheer

01:05:50.850 --> 01:05:52.850
scale at of what this

01:05:52.850 --> 01:05:54.550
Leviathan is doing on

01:05:54.550 --> 01:05:56.970
on this global plane and the

01:05:56.970 --> 01:05:58.890
control that they wield over everybody it's

01:05:58.890 --> 01:06:00.730
a like you said it's it's a black

01:06:00.730 --> 01:06:02.570
pill that so many people fall into and

01:06:02.570 --> 01:06:04.710
are more than willing to swallow and live

01:06:04.710 --> 01:06:06.390
their lives in complete pessimistic

01:06:06.390 --> 01:06:08.410
fucking darkness and

01:06:08.410 --> 01:06:09.570
I refuse to do that

01:06:10.330 --> 01:06:12.170
I see the light all the time

01:06:12.170 --> 01:06:14.130
I don't see any of that darkness but

01:06:14.130 --> 01:06:16.270
you're building this program called autonomy

01:06:16.270 --> 01:06:18.290
and it's basically

01:06:18.290 --> 01:06:20.230
a direct counterattack to what we've been talking

01:06:20.230 --> 01:06:22.410
about in here it's it's like a structured

01:06:22.410 --> 01:06:24.450
curriculum correct me if I'm wrong in any of

01:06:24.450 --> 01:06:26.010
this for self ownership

01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:28.370
right it teaches entrepreneurship and

01:06:28.370 --> 01:06:30.350
and critical thinking and I think

01:06:30.350 --> 01:06:32.170
we lack that so much in today's society

01:06:32.170 --> 01:06:34.430
but given everything we've talked about today

01:06:34.430 --> 01:06:36.390
why is the

01:06:36.390 --> 01:06:38.250
simple act of like reclaiming

01:06:38.250 --> 01:06:40.670
one's personal autonomy through this

01:06:40.670 --> 01:06:42.110
skill building and community

01:06:42.110 --> 01:06:44.030
rather than waiting for another

01:06:44.030 --> 01:06:46.650
puppet political savior who will never

01:06:46.650 --> 01:06:49.050
arrive it's why is that the only

01:06:49.050 --> 01:06:50.590
true truly effective

01:06:50.590 --> 01:06:52.570
and you know frankly like

01:06:52.570 --> 01:06:54.290
the only responsible form

01:06:54.290 --> 01:06:56.530
of resistance we have left against this

01:06:56.530 --> 01:06:58.330
collapsing global machine

01:06:58.330 --> 01:07:01.490
I think it's the only one that's

01:07:01.490 --> 01:07:02.870
non-contradictory

01:07:02.870 --> 01:07:04.430
to my political philosophy

01:07:04.430 --> 01:07:06.730
in other words there's a lot of things you could do

01:07:06.730 --> 01:07:08.850
you could go all Ted Kaczynski on people

01:07:08.850 --> 01:07:10.690
and you know Ted might have been right on some

01:07:10.690 --> 01:07:12.390
points but I don't agree with his actions

01:07:12.390 --> 01:07:14.470
involving innocent people right

01:07:14.470 --> 01:07:16.750
so what are the things in so if there's

01:07:16.750 --> 01:07:18.890
anything that's possible and now I have

01:07:18.890 --> 01:07:20.990
to limit my actions by morals

01:07:20.990 --> 01:07:22.910
ethics and integrity and consistency

01:07:22.910 --> 01:07:24.690
right what

01:07:24.690 --> 01:07:26.510
can I do within that framework

01:07:26.510 --> 01:07:28.410
to not plunder anyone else's production

01:07:28.410 --> 01:07:30.810
but also physically and intellectually

01:07:30.810 --> 01:07:32.750
defend myself against their ignorance

01:07:32.750 --> 01:07:34.730
well I need to work

01:07:34.730 --> 01:07:37.010
on myself I need to earn skills

01:07:37.010 --> 01:07:39.030
that means learn through work

01:07:39.030 --> 01:07:40.910
in experience to own them I need

01:07:40.910 --> 01:07:42.810
to earn some skills that allow

01:07:42.810 --> 01:07:44.830
me to bring in for instance more money

01:07:44.830 --> 01:07:46.810
than I need and then I don't have to

01:07:46.810 --> 01:07:48.830
be in a scarcity mindset and I can

01:07:48.830 --> 01:07:50.990
develop and do what I want because I know

01:07:50.990 --> 01:07:52.730
how to interact with that process

01:07:52.730 --> 01:07:54.810
most people aren't even taught how to

01:07:54.810 --> 01:07:56.630
get a good job let alone how to

01:07:56.630 --> 01:07:58.630
start a business so you can write checks

01:07:58.630 --> 01:08:00.050
and give other people jobs

01:08:00.630 --> 01:08:02.350
I've been writing checks for other people

01:08:02.350 --> 01:08:04.610
for many years now I never thought I'd really do that

01:08:04.610 --> 01:08:06.370
like it was beyond even my

01:08:06.370 --> 01:08:08.570
like I was like to hire people

01:08:08.570 --> 01:08:10.510
or to have overhead like

01:08:10.510 --> 01:08:11.890
that was all beyond my

01:08:12.510 --> 01:08:14.430
my realm of like where we were with

01:08:14.430 --> 01:08:15.990
freedom just 10 years ago

01:08:15.990 --> 01:08:18.370
but I can't to a point where I realize if I don't

01:08:18.370 --> 01:08:20.350
step up and start adding more value

01:08:20.350 --> 01:08:22.370
into the market and helping people

01:08:22.370 --> 01:08:23.390
outgrow these

01:08:24.770 --> 01:08:26.330
they are so unnecessary

01:08:26.330 --> 01:08:27.950
the limitations that have been installed

01:08:27.950 --> 01:08:30.350
to govern your mind not for your

01:08:30.350 --> 01:08:32.290
freedom the learned helplessness

01:08:32.290 --> 01:08:34.370
the scarcity mentality the provisional

01:08:34.370 --> 01:08:36.210
self-esteem these these things that John

01:08:36.210 --> 01:08:38.370
Taylor Gatto pointed out are

01:08:38.370 --> 01:08:40.230
real and they plague people

01:08:40.230 --> 01:08:42.350
on a multi-decade basis so

01:08:42.350 --> 01:08:44.070
what if we just had a training session

01:08:44.070 --> 01:08:46.330
and we could do many many many things

01:08:46.330 --> 01:08:47.970
in that training session so for instance

01:08:47.970 --> 01:08:50.150
I do the training session twice a year

01:08:50.150 --> 01:08:52.390
it's 12 weeks long people can keep coming back

01:08:52.390 --> 01:08:53.790
and going through again and again

01:08:53.790 --> 01:08:55.870
and I have many students so I've done it

01:08:55.870 --> 01:08:57.910
now seven years I've had over a thousand

01:08:57.910 --> 01:08:59.810
students go through I have some of them

01:08:59.810 --> 01:09:02.070
have gone through 14 times

01:09:02.610 --> 01:09:03.870
twice a year for the past

01:09:03.870 --> 01:09:05.370
seven years because they keep getting better

01:09:05.370 --> 01:09:07.790
and expanding in their growth right

01:09:07.790 --> 01:09:09.910
so what I did

01:09:09.910 --> 01:09:11.790
was I analyzed how they broke

01:09:11.790 --> 01:09:14.010
our education system to make us so easily

01:09:14.010 --> 01:09:15.810
indoctrinated and I

01:09:15.810 --> 01:09:17.770
put a fix in for that so the

01:09:17.770 --> 01:09:19.770
the three main phases of the 12 weeks

01:09:19.770 --> 01:09:21.210
are we have to unlearn these

01:09:21.210 --> 01:09:23.350
unusual ideas that we've inherited

01:09:23.350 --> 01:09:25.150
and we have to replace them with ideas

01:09:25.150 --> 01:09:27.230
that actually reflect reality now

01:09:27.230 --> 01:09:28.750
with that strong foundation

01:09:28.750 --> 01:09:30.770
and the you know

01:09:30.770 --> 01:09:33.170
you're getting over introversion you're learning how to

01:09:33.170 --> 01:09:35.190
overcome fear you're learning how to stop

01:09:35.190 --> 01:09:37.230
self-sabotaging all these things in the first couple

01:09:37.230 --> 01:09:39.150
weeks at base camp and then we

01:09:39.150 --> 01:09:41.210
make the climb for the summit so now we're

01:09:41.210 --> 01:09:43.210
going to learn multiple high value skills

01:09:43.210 --> 01:09:44.950
that any of these if you practice them

01:09:44.950 --> 01:09:46.970
can add up to a six figure skill set

01:09:46.970 --> 01:09:49.150
now I say that because the skills that

01:09:49.150 --> 01:09:51.110
I teach as part of the course just

01:09:51.110 --> 01:09:53.630
for two weeks of the 12 that that little skill

01:09:53.630 --> 01:09:55.230
set I earned a million

01:09:55.230 --> 01:09:56.410
dollars before I was 30

01:09:57.290 --> 01:09:59.170
not because of my college education

01:09:59.170 --> 01:10:01.330
but because I knew how to solve high value

01:10:01.330 --> 01:10:02.710
problems consistently

01:10:03.330 --> 01:10:05.150
and do that with international

01:10:05.150 --> 01:10:07.490
organizations so learning how to do

01:10:07.490 --> 01:10:09.290
something and then applying it to the biggest use

01:10:09.290 --> 01:10:11.290
case where you can precipitate some income

01:10:11.290 --> 01:10:13.330
for yourself might be a smart move now

01:10:13.330 --> 01:10:15.110
if you could do that in the ethics in the realm

01:10:15.110 --> 01:10:17.310
of you know I found out eventually

01:10:17.310 --> 01:10:19.150
the people that were paying me a lot of money

01:10:19.150 --> 01:10:21.130
might not be very friendly

01:10:21.130 --> 01:10:23.310
toward freedom they might have had something

01:10:23.310 --> 01:10:25.090
to do with the events of 9-11

01:10:25.090 --> 01:10:27.250
maybe I should take a close closer

01:10:27.250 --> 01:10:29.070
look at who I'm taking a paycheck from

01:10:29.070 --> 01:10:31.110
maybe at some point if I'm a whistleblower and don't

01:10:31.110 --> 01:10:33.390
have a career I need to rely on these skills

01:10:33.390 --> 01:10:35.190
to formulate my own

01:10:35.190 --> 01:10:36.910
offer to the world and you know

01:10:37.590 --> 01:10:39.290
to be able to preserve my integrity

01:10:39.290 --> 01:10:41.250
I had to have skills to be able

01:10:41.250 --> 01:10:43.210
to defend that it had

01:10:43.210 --> 01:10:44.770
I not have these skills that I teach

01:10:44.770 --> 01:10:46.970
I wouldn't have been able to stand my ground

01:10:46.970 --> 01:10:48.530
I could have been easily

01:10:48.530 --> 01:10:50.430
pressured or corrupted so

01:10:50.430 --> 01:10:52.710
it's like the get out

01:10:52.710 --> 01:10:54.590
of jail free card because you're not supposed

01:10:54.590 --> 01:10:56.610
to be in jail and you've been holding the key

01:10:56.610 --> 01:10:58.510
the whole time but until you find out how to

01:10:58.510 --> 01:11:00.390
put that key in the lock and actually express

01:11:00.390 --> 01:11:02.670
yourself through auto

01:11:02.670 --> 01:11:04.370
didactic learning learning how

01:11:04.370 --> 01:11:06.610
you learn meta learning and then

01:11:06.610 --> 01:11:08.790
applying that to the internet hyper learning

01:11:08.790 --> 01:11:10.510
those couple of things

01:11:10.510 --> 01:11:12.470
expedite all these other skills that I teach

01:11:12.470 --> 01:11:14.310
in the course so I have

01:11:14.310 --> 01:11:16.570
small groups twice a year less than

01:11:16.570 --> 01:11:18.410
a hundred students everybody knows each

01:11:18.410 --> 01:11:20.090
other's names we hang out for

01:11:20.090 --> 01:11:22.330
I mean probably you know over a hundred

01:11:22.330 --> 01:11:24.170
hours during the season there's lots of different

01:11:24.170 --> 01:11:26.510
activities and exercises to help build

01:11:26.510 --> 01:11:28.330
confidence and skills and competence

01:11:28.330 --> 01:11:30.490
so that my students can graduate

01:11:30.490 --> 01:11:32.550
and go into the market and be successful and be part

01:11:32.550 --> 01:11:34.470
of the solution that adds up to freedom

01:11:34.470 --> 01:11:36.330
and not tyranny so I spend

01:11:36.330 --> 01:11:38.390
five six days a week

01:11:38.390 --> 01:11:40.650
with autonomy students teaching

01:11:40.650 --> 01:11:42.850
them at getautonomy.info

01:11:42.850 --> 01:11:44.790
and then Sunday nights I do the grand theft

01:11:44.790 --> 01:11:46.750
world podcast that allows me to express

01:11:46.750 --> 01:11:48.690
my knowledge of globalism in the new world

01:11:48.690 --> 01:11:50.550
order as juxtaposed to a week long

01:11:50.550 --> 01:11:52.130
series of news clips

01:11:52.650 --> 01:11:54.590
so each week I create a time capsule

01:11:54.590 --> 01:11:56.410
of what happened in our history

01:11:56.410 --> 01:11:58.810
and these are the pieces of evidence that everyone's

01:11:58.810 --> 01:12:00.210
gonna where's that clip of

01:12:00.210 --> 01:12:02.430
the Utah governor saying that

01:12:02.430 --> 01:12:04.710
Tyler Robinson took his clothes off on the roof

01:12:04.710 --> 01:12:06.450
and change yeah that's in episode

01:12:06.450 --> 01:12:08.210
two fifty one

01:12:08.210 --> 01:12:10.290
and it was the week that it happened

01:12:10.290 --> 01:12:12.190
it was the first press conference after Charlie

01:12:12.190 --> 01:12:14.350
got shot so by preserving

01:12:14.350 --> 01:12:15.490
the evidence and artifacts

01:12:15.490 --> 01:12:18.010
I feel that I'm doing justice to

01:12:18.010 --> 01:12:19.830
the news and providing people

01:12:19.830 --> 01:12:21.890
in the future with a clear sense of their history

01:12:21.890 --> 01:12:23.750
the last point I want to make is

01:12:23.750 --> 01:12:25.330
I did an episode called

01:12:26.090 --> 01:12:27.990
JFK 50 year anniversary

01:12:27.990 --> 01:12:29.950
it was episode of my peace revolution

01:12:29.950 --> 01:12:32.090
podcast series that episode

01:12:32.090 --> 01:12:33.990
is 20 hours of evidence that

01:12:33.990 --> 01:12:36.230
you have never heard about the JFK

01:12:36.230 --> 01:12:38.030
situation and it's packaged up

01:12:38.030 --> 01:12:40.010
in time capsule to send it

01:12:40.010 --> 01:12:42.030
to people in the future because the people who killed

01:12:42.030 --> 01:12:43.530
Kennedy are going to continue to lie

01:12:43.530 --> 01:12:45.790
and when people that they're lying to say

01:12:45.790 --> 01:12:47.790
I got the evidence right here

01:12:47.790 --> 01:12:50.070
it's awful hard to like carry the lies

01:12:50.070 --> 01:12:52.070
on further so I like to package

01:12:52.070 --> 01:12:53.730
up the goods and then send them

01:12:53.730 --> 01:12:56.350
you know into these little electronic

01:12:56.350 --> 01:12:57.830
time capsules

01:12:57.830 --> 01:12:59.270
of inconvenient narrative

01:12:59.970 --> 01:13:01.870
disruption so the

01:13:01.870 --> 01:13:04.270
Mauser clip in there you would hear that evidence

01:13:04.270 --> 01:13:06.170
that I referred to earlier tonight in the

01:13:06.170 --> 01:13:07.470
JFK 50 episode

01:13:08.110 --> 01:13:10.230
hell yeah dude I don't know when you get

01:13:10.230 --> 01:13:11.110
time to sleep but

01:13:12.030 --> 01:13:14.310
you sound like a busy dude man and

01:13:14.310 --> 01:13:16.330
I'm very glad that you're doing this work

01:13:16.330 --> 01:13:18.470
it sounds incredible and your journey

01:13:18.470 --> 01:13:20.170
sounds incredible again

01:13:20.170 --> 01:13:22.330
Richard thank you so much for coming on dude

01:13:22.330 --> 01:13:24.130
tell before we go tell everybody

01:13:24.130 --> 01:13:26.210
where they can find and support your work brother

01:13:26.210 --> 01:13:27.770
well first off Jason

01:13:28.150 --> 01:13:29.770
Don Matt you guys have been incredible

01:13:30.130 --> 01:13:32.090
during this hour I'd like to talk with you guys again

01:13:32.090 --> 01:13:33.570
and you can find my work at

01:13:34.060 --> 01:13:35.730
grandtheftworld.com that's the Sunday night

01:13:35.730 --> 01:13:38.230
live stream podcast for 7 hours every week

01:13:38.230 --> 01:13:40.180
and then getautonomy.info

01:13:40.670 --> 01:13:42.050
is where people can learn how

01:13:42.050 --> 01:13:43.790
to level up their game decide

01:13:43.790 --> 01:13:45.850
to be intentionally useful

01:13:45.850 --> 01:13:48.130
and gain the skills that change your life

01:13:48.130 --> 01:13:49.810
forever because the way I'm able to

01:13:49.810 --> 01:13:51.770
marshal my 168 hours

01:13:51.770 --> 01:13:53.730
in a week is incredible

01:13:53.730 --> 01:13:56.050
and game changing and allows me to go

01:13:56.050 --> 01:13:58.090
so much further so much faster with so much

01:13:58.090 --> 01:14:00.130
less resistance and I just try to offer

01:14:00.130 --> 01:14:02.090
that to those you know you can lead a person

01:14:02.090 --> 01:14:03.370
of knowledge but you can't make them think

01:14:03.810 --> 01:14:06.370
those who want to think I've got a healthy drink

01:14:07.090 --> 01:14:07.450
amen

01:14:08.450 --> 01:14:09.290
hell yeah brother

01:14:09.750 --> 01:14:10.390
thank you Richard