Hello and welcome to the King Heroes journey podcast. My name is Beth Martins. I am coming to you live today with Christine Massey a
Canadian legend you could say that I have known about for
Many many months right from the inception of the thought that hmm things aren't like they appear to be
So if you're new to the King Heroes journey podcast, I welcome you. Please do like and share this
Hello, Saint Lady. Nice to see you. Glad you're here and
Yeah, I'm this is probably gonna be good in shadow band as usual and if you're not familiar with Christine
I am going to bring her on momentarily and
Tell you a little bit about her. I'm sure I'm sure you guys are familiar. So here here we go
Hello Christine, welcome. Hi Beth. Thank you for having me. You're very welcome to say hi to earthship there
and my good friend saying lady and
This is gonna be powerful interview. I'm I'm pretty excited
This is a long time in the coming definitely had you on the radar in a big way
And it became of utmost importance in 2020 when I think things may have changed
I'm gonna ask you some questions about that
But for those who aren't already familiar earthship there by the way says you are the bomb
Christine Massey is a former statisticist statistician from Canada who's been known for her extensive use of freedom of information
requests to investigate the scientific evidence for the existence of the boogeyman virus that were not
necessarily going to name very many times just in case it gets us taken out here and
Other alleged viruses. She began her inquiries in early 2020 after becoming skeptical of the official narrative
surrounding that
pandemic drawing on her background which included activism against water fluoridation very important issue
Which taught her to question public health claims
Her research focuses on whether health institutions can provide essential foundational evidence for the existence of those
Alleged viruses as well as for contagion and the claimed pathogenicity of any bacteria
So welcome Christine. I'm so glad to have you here. Thank you Beth
And happy birthday by the way. Oh, thank you very much. I had a beautiful birthday weekend. It was actually really nice
They didn't chemtrail yesterday. That was that's a buzzword
Yeah, yeah, so I thought I felt like it was just for me clear clear blue skies and a bit of sunshine and some good company and
We had to eat cake. I thought I was gonna not eat cake, but lo and behold, I'm weak once a year
So I appreciate that
Yeah, so you've had quite a journey Christine
Yeah
It has been a big journey
Yeah, for me it began. Well, you know in the early days of 2020 hearing all the
Shatter all the news all the fear mongering about the supposed particle that we were all supposed to
protect ourselves from and everybody else around us and
And yeah, I started
Well, I knew I knew early on thanks to people like John Rappaport
He had talked already a bit for four years. He had talked about that there were serious problems with PCR tests
So I knew that much going in and I found out that's what they were using and then
eventually I came across
videos from Dr. Andrew Kaufman and he was explaining in a very simple
Logical manner that anybody could understand the problems with the methodologies that had actually been employed and
so he was showing how if those
Particles really did exist
how they could be found and purified from water glue fluid or tissue and
Versus what was actually being done in the laboratories and
You know to to bolster the claim that they had isolated this supposed particles
So he explained it really clearly and and then you know, so then I became aware that oh my god
It's like even so much worse than I had even thought, you know
And yeah, like he was my inspiration to do what I ended up doing
So
He's a kind of og in the in the space so he was around I was lucky to come to around
2015 and you know pulling back the curtain we talk about the wizards curtain here
and
So that was good
I felt actually very fortunate for a little bit of a preamble looking looking into it and and then it wasn't as
Devastating as some of the people who you know woke up post
2020 or post all the jabs or you know all of that kind of thing
So yeah, when did you start noticing that things weren't exactly as they appeared?
In with the 2020 narrative no like with or or was it before then I guess is my
With just in general, right, right? Yeah for me. I think it began
Probably around
2009 somewhere in there. I was working at a hospital in Toronto as the statistician
between 2008 and 2012 and
Sometime in there. I started learning about
water fluoridation and I was just stunned
Information learning that they were actually literally putting hazardous waste in our drinking water and that it's contaminated with
Things like arsenic and lead that you know the health authorities say that there's no known safe level of these contaminants and fluoride itself
It's classified as a water contaminant. It's not and it's not classified as a nutrient even to begin with yet
they sell us this
Narrative about, you know, it's a natural nutrient and it's necessary for you know protecting the teeth and
Meanwhile turns out they don't have any scientific evidence and
Yeah, so that was like the that was a huge that for me was the huge topic I ended up becoming
Pretty much obsessed with that trying to get them to stop and that was just a huge wake-up call just seem like
Okay, they don't have any randomized controlled trials to show that this is actually safe or beneficial
for people to actually ingest this and that it does what it is claimed to do and
They don't have toxicology studies long-term toxicology studies on the on the chemical that they use
only some short-term ones
nothing on people because toxicology studies are done on animals and
So and yeah, they just would apply this incredible double standard where they would insist this is a great public health achievement and
That it's safe and effective for everybody and
But when you actually look at their evidence
they can't back up their claim and then when you look at the research that does exist
You find that it's actually pointing in the direction of harm and that was that was
Stunning and like I said, you just talking to a brick wall and doesn't matter what you tell them what you show them
Well, I was living
Careful how I say things now, but on the land known as
Brampton in Ontario and which is part of the region of Peel
And we had a hero councillor there John's groviere
Give him a shout out because that man tried so hard. He was our one champion on council and he
He was very outspoken about it quite unpopular because of it and again, we had
One lady brought in a world expert from India who had years ago been funded by Health Canada
an expert on fluoride and
She told them straight out and just all kinds of information and evidence put before them didn't matter
They just kept going with it because I think as some of us are, you know, realizing now there's
All these other entities and geos and the UN and these influences coming in from these, you know
globalist
Organizations and that's who they're that's who they're
Typically listening to not the people in the community
Right exactly. Yeah, that's that's what I've noticed and and this is not
Limited by any means I'm not going to be popular for saying this but it's not limited to the the mainstream
because where there are
allies and
especially financial ties
Then those weigh in heavily on the choices and decisions
I find that there's
You know, much less people who actually like the truth compared with
Right. It's at the people have their limits. I'll go so far. But you know, you want to
Undo my whole paradigm or you want to
Threaten my business, which is what it seemed to be, you know, if there's financial allies in the picture then
Then it's very easy to turn a blind eye
So, yeah
No, that's absolutely like what you said about it's not just in the mainstream
I this is what I've it's been quite shocking in the last five years because when
Well, I'll just mention
What I ended up doing briefly
Some of your viewers, I'm sure already know but
So as Andy had explained that the proper steps hadn't actually been done to show that the alleged infectious particle actually existed and
He explained it very clearly. So I started filing freedom of information
Requests challenging institutions like Health Canada Public Health Agency of Canada
Ontario Ministry of Health, etc
for
foundational
The evidence that would be necessary to show the existence of a virus
foundational evidence from anybody anywhere not just something that they themselves had carried out
And the responses were coming back like they didn't have it
They didn't have it. They didn't have it like these
Institutions were literally showing that they couldn't show that that supposed
Particle even existed in anybody anywhere. So
Yeah, so I started collecting these and and getting the responses and of course I was putting them on social media
And I thought, you know, I guess I thought this is gonna catch on like wildfire, you know, because it's so to me
It's so very logical and I know just one or two institutions people still be like, well, okay
You know, somebody has it but as the months and years have gone on and now we're up to like people from around the world helped and
We now have responses from 225
Different institutions in 40 different countries like it's huge project that went on for years
So nobody had that foundational evidence and I also I later started sort of broadening the way
I was wording things to make it more obvious for people like do you have any scientific
Studies showing that this supposed thing exists
Do you have any scientific studies showing contagion of this supposed illness and they just never had anything
So I thought, you know, kind of like when I first discovered the water fluoridation. I thought the authorities would
Um, I thought it was all just some terrible mistake and they didn't understand what they were doing and that
This is a no-brainer. Of course, you have to stop doing this, you know
You're you're also medicating and experimenting on people without informed consent
Like that in and of itself
Is just when you stop and think about it when you because I was indoctrinated as a child, right?
But when you stop and think about it like hang on a minute wait, they're they're literally putting this in the drinking water
not for the purpose of
um making the water safe
It was for the a way to deliver it into our bodies without us even most people even knowing let alone
having informed consent
So I thought when I started pointing that out that it would be pretty easy to be a no-brainer
They'll stop and here we are all these years later. There's even been a seven-year federal lawsuit in the us against the epa
where the the federal judge ended up concluding that um
water fluoridation poses an
unacceptable risk to children's brains
And they're still doing it
And kind of like that, you know, I thought when I started getting these responses from the institution saying that they didn't have any evidence
of this alleged particle ever being
found in anyone and purified and you you have to do the purification because
You can't carry on with valid steps after that like sequencing and characterization and controlled experiments to test for causation of illness
You can't do that unless you purify and we can talk about that more later because I maybe I think
Maybe some people still don't have a good understanding of why that is
But um, I thought it's going to catch on like wildfire and you know, of course
Some people did jump in and were helpful and packing was helpful like he brought a lot of awareness. He tried to um challenge
in court the so-called authorities out there now burda
But for the most part, um, you know, even within the freedom space, um health freedom space
Most people were just they were they were, um
Well, we were the fringe of the fringe of the fringe of the fringe, you know, we were
Called every name in the book and we were accused of being cia
Operatives and controlled opposition and you name it and told, you know, we're gonna be responsible for people's deaths
because we're telling people these things don't exist and they they do and nobody can show us that they do
but they do and
um
Yeah, like here. We are five years later and I'm not so surprised. I guess
Given what I've learned about
people like say robert of kennedy jr. Del big tree their
Connections or what have you those big big platforms? Um, because they're almost to me part of the establishment themselves in a way
But a lot of they're like more
What you think is more grassroots and like I I don't understand
It's been a huge disappointment that people wouldn't run with this information and
So much effort was taken to
Collect it here it is here take it and I have an affidavit and you know
I offer to testify and most people's even in the freedom health freedom space. They don't want to go there
So it's been hugely eye-opening in that way that just how hard it is number one
to
break through those mental
barriers and that even a lot of people
um, you know, they don't want to be seen as
crazy person they don't want to
They don't want to be the ones to put themselves out there
um, but maybe we can
today
help
Cut through that a little because if people
I always try to tell people if you just understood the basics like how it's not really a complicated topic like literally children can understand
So maybe we can talk a bit more and help make it seem less intimidating for people today
Because I think that must be part of what's holding people back
They don't want to be the one to put themselves out there because then they're afraid
They don't know how to really defend the position very well
Yeah, that's excellent. Let's do that. I I just wanted to comment a little bit that
What i'm noticing as I dug further and deeper into various truths whether it's in the field of health or law in particular
Two arenas that were extremely, um, you know, sigh opt and
Really weaponized against us. It turns out that the truth is not fantastical
Right, it's not exciting. It doesn't include
I mean, it can include the the whole conspiracy in this in this case
It's it's definitely got that on the other side of it
But when you I definitely want to hear the basics, but they're not going to be like
Wow, like the
You know, like the lies are basically and it it doesn't necessarily mean everybody knows they're lying
I'm very aware of that when I did the whole breakdown on controlled opposition
And the archetypes of that I I had to become extremely aware that that people don't necessarily know
That they're propagating lies. They don't understand their own motivations. That's what makes the subject so
uh complicated complex
Because it's not just information in and and then you know behavior and action out
There's a whole mechanism
Going on in here that stops us sometimes for personal reasons other reasons we talked about
And uh, yeah, so and and then also where there is a lack of information for some people
There's this tendency and I'll I'll use a technical term
That they make shit up
Right where there's a blank and they don't know they don't want to say they don't know we've been penalized for not knowing or acting
You know not confident about what we say and then our imaginations go. I saw so many people they're inventors
In this in this space and they can yeah. Yeah, go ahead and there's not um
I think there's a lot of
There's a lot of misplaced trust
What I still see and I've you know, I've tried to bring this up in other interviews in the past is
The importance of fact checking, you know, because I still see people
very quick
to
if they see someone who's
Comes across as trustworthy
Either because they have the credentials and they you know, uh seem very professional and experienced and know what they're talking about
That way or they're more like
grassroots kind of very honest down to earth person
There's this tendency to and and if they're saying something against the government
against the those handlers that created these narratives, um, they tend to just trust people and
Like you're saying those but those people who are telling them things. They don't necessarily know what they're talking about themselves either
Or or they might be purposely confusing people
But um, there's just not enough fact checking going on and like just for me personally
My the one of the biggest influences this whole experience has had on me
It's just like I keep my mouth shut about almost everything now because if I haven't
Really looked into it. I just know like it's so easy to be wrong and to think everybody knows this, you know
everybody knows what have you and um, sometimes we're just wrong so
Just fact checking like takes the time to actually learn about something maybe before
you think you know and
Trying to teach other people
Exactly. Yeah, we've become a culture that's educated by memes
Right. So if we see it on a thing and an image and it says this is true
Then we walk away with that
I caught myself at that and uh early on I guess it was
Was it 2021 by the time the jabs were out and they were saying here in manitoba that a 12 year old could go and do that on
Their own without any
parental consent and my son was 12 and the dad's going oh, he can make up his own mind. I'm like, oh come with me son
Really good chat about this
Luckily, he's to this day completely unmedicated and unjabbed
We also went through a notice of liability process just not being able to sit back and and watch all of this corruption
at the local
school division level the you know right up to the the governor general
And we used your work by the way to to go in and I discovered how many at that point
How many claims were unverified and I had learned like a parrot to just say these things
But could I back them up?
And so that was the one good thing even though there was so much like crap and not not real stuff in that process
But it did teach me to be quiet when I don't really know when I haven't really found the receipts
Working with dr. Garrett smith. He's like next level if if you know if we think the people like yourself and
I mean you're you're in his league too because you you're the one that's
Going to I'm not yeah, I'm not trying to blow smoke up your butt, but it's standard. I'm uh, it's very low
Right when it's just like I say this we all know it and then people just you know, it's that that logical fallacy of
Well, it's popular there for it's true or it's all everybody knows
And it's not that or it makes the government sound bad. So it must be true
So that's why I'm lying. I'm like well, they're against the government. So they're on our side
So let's just go with it. It's like that's not a long-term strategy if what they're saying is not actually accurate
You're not going to be able to demonstrate it
You nailed it with the on our side
I for sure found myself in that are you with us or are you against us?
And then see your your mind becomes polarized in these two categories and you start like accepting and eliminating or canceling
People based on whether you think you and but but of course controlled opposition comes in and knows
That division and polarity are the name of the game and if you can continue to split people
I even think the the no virus
world was
Was again a source of weaponization. I don't know if you're free to talk about how
Infiltrated it may have become I saw different conflicts from a little bit of a distance
I never I never dove in and got involved with that myself
But yeah, yeah, there is a character. I guess I won't
Go into the details, but yeah, there is somebody on the scene that I have big question marks around and that
Has a habit or quite a preoccupation with telling people
things that aren't true about myself and other no virus people and
Oh, I should tell you I sorry. There's something I should have mentioned to you from the beginning my my laptop
Um, it recently it's had this strange new habit
It'll just go dead all of a sudden and then I have to unplug it. So if it happens, I apologize. Hopefully it won't happen
while we're talking, but
Yeah, so just the fact checking, you know, and
Not assuming that
All as well just because somebody seems to be on our side
But yeah, yeah, and it seems like all of the organic real movements get co-opted at some point
People people see. Oh, there's a lot of eyeballs over there
They're listening. We've got to come in and that's why I did the organics have controlled up
You got the the well poisoners and you get the people. Oh money making opportunity got a bunch of scared people
Need supplements or whatever
Kind of thing going on and uh, yeah, so our truckers convoy in Canada
I don't did you make did you make it to Ottawa? I did I visited a couple of times. Yeah, okay. Yeah, good for you. Yeah
Right, I did not make it there, but we know that was highly uh co-opted as well
I I have that impression. I never followed it closely, but that's my impression. Yeah
Right. Oh at the beginning I thought the the savior had come and I I wept a lot and you know, the big crowds
Showing up and the trucks going through it was also emotional and like we're winning. We're winning
Yeah, yeah
It was good in in terms of people I guess making connections and that sort of thing
Like there are a lot of good came out of it for sure, but um
It's just disappointing like we said here. We are all these several years later and
still people are going along with these
narratives about these, you know, supposed health threats and whatnot instead of just
uh
Putting the burden of proof where it belongs on the
You know on the so-called authorities to prove their claims. It's as simple as that, you know
And when I look back now on the water fluoridation how I handled that
I I mean, I would certain things I would still stick to but one thing I would do is just
Get away from um
Discussing studies so much and just hammer more on you're saying this
You're making these claims you prove it
Plus then you still have the part about
What right do you have to put something in people's drinking water to medicate them and experiment them on them?
um, but in terms of the safety and effectiveness just hammer away on them on that
You know put the burden of proof on them and the person I was alluding to a few minutes ago that in the no virus space
You have questions about I mean one of the things this person has said which just blows my mind
is um
they've actually claimed that
um
falsifying the establishments narrative
With by pointing out how ridiculous their studies are and with the freedom of information responses that that's that's somehow not enough
That we actually need to do studies to
Depond like to show something. It's like no the burden of proof is on the people making the claim
It's up to them and their evidence is ludicrous on its face and we have all these legal confessions and failures, right?
so that's the
You know one of the things to just keep in mind that uh
The burden of proof it's on the people making the claim and when it comes to something the government's doing
It's on them. It's not on us to disprove
Yeah
I think that would save people a lot of time if we just focus more on that
You you're telling us but you can't actually show it
Right and then share that information
Right exactly. Yeah, and then you get into the conditional acceptance. Like yes, I'll
I'll uh accept this if you can prove that it's actually safe in reality
Yeah, safe and effective and you know in this case that the thing actually exists
It's you know the all their various claims and on that. No, um, I should mention
There's um, actually in the I think it's a very useful resource
that was created by sally felon moral and
Another colleague here in canada and uh, I had a little input into it and that's um
Right what you're saying. It's kind of a conditional acceptance. I don't think it actually says that on it
It doesn't but it's the same kind of idea where it's for
um, anybody dealing with um,
Say you have chickens in your backyard or your farmer and the authorities
Like the canadian food inspection agencies start coming to you and say no, we have concerns and we want to do a test
We have uh on my on my, um, substack
There's uh
A document that people can use to give to those the so-called authorities
Um and saying exactly that like we'll we'll consider we'll let you on the land to test or you know
You can all people can alter it. They can make their own version, but this is something to get them started
um
After you provide
And then we ask for all the studies showing other claims that there's a contagious illness that the
Claimed causal agent exists that the tests have invalidated. What exactly do you want to test for?
Which tests are you doing?
Who are you who identify yourself in all that?
and um, I really hope people will start um
Making more use of either that document or something along those lines like you're saying conditional acceptance
um
And yeah, because when we put the burden of proof on them, it's it's powerful. I think you know
and
Michael there's a gentleman named michael openisha. Um, I don't know if i'm saying his name exactly correct
um
in
england and he was saying they had done a lot of that conditional
Acceptances over there the farmers had and that had helped them
quite a bit
So
It's worth a try anyway, right? Absolutely. Yes. Yeah, I would love to have those resources
Maybe if you send them to me after then I can post them in the show notes for people as well
So yep, that's really good
um
Would you like to go in and and do a basic less intimidating version of being able to explain to your friends why there's
No virus if they
Have half a year to do that
Yeah, I'd love to see there's a few comments in the chat also that uh, yeah zero percent of science is making shit up
in the in the real definition of science exactly
yeah, and uh
Christine does canadian tap water have a french language options. Sorry. That's just like enough
I thought that was a different question
Mary benton the thing with fact checking is some databases are possibly wrong and some of the people fact checking
Cannot interpret correctly what they are reading
Well, well, that's such a really important point because one of the things like that I became very aware of
because of this whole situation was
And this is where people will make mistakes where they go online or wherever they happen to be looking and they find
That there are studies saying that they isolated this these alleged particles, right?
So the the big lesson has been like an andy, of course and tom cowen and the bailes and others have hammered on this also
You they'll have it'll say in the title and it'll say in the abstract. Oh, yeah, this that's what we did
You know, it's where you have to read the method section
So that's the key to it all like you you go to the method section and start looking at what did they actually do
In that study when you're cut when it comes to this topic
Most people have to learn some key terminology to be able to figure out what's going on
And it'll help a lot if you look at some of the, you know, the talks from tom and andy and the bailes and mic stone and whatnot
um
But um, that's where you see that's where everything
Starts falling apart because you see well, hang on a minute the methods that they that they apply
They're not they're not even capable. It wouldn't even matter what results they get
It doesn't matter. You're not doing, um, logical valid procedures and experiments. So
Yeah, so I mean shall I um
Go into that a little bit
Yeah, exactly and and maybe with some of those terms as well highlighting the way, you know, isn't the word isolate problematic all by itself
Yeah, that word, um
for sure
and I was using it initially in the um in the freedom of information requests and because that's the word that the
The virologists use they'll they'll say they isolated the these alleged particles
Um
But it turns out what they're doing is it's the complete opposite and they haven't even shown that that particle is there
Um, so personally, I prefer to stick to the word purification just because I find it tends to be a little more clear
there tends to be less
You know controversy around that
word
and
So because what will happen sometimes if you say they haven't isolated the virus, you know, then the people
Find these studies and they think you're wrong, right?
So what we what you actually need to look for is studies where they actually
looked in bodily fluid tissue fluid or tissue
and
found these alleged particles and separated them out from everything else that's in there
So to to purify them
and the reason that's important is because um
There's two things that need to be done. You need to identify that particle and
These alleged particles they're said to be submicroscopic. So too small to even see with a microscope
supposedly they're on the nanoscale, so
You know, you you can't
You know pick them up and look at them from different angles and measure them and whatnot
It's obviously that these are laboratory procedures that are being used
Um, but you you need to like basic things that they do and I'm no expert on this topic
But one thing for sure we all know about is they claim to have sequenced the particle
And they claim to have otherwise care. Well, they claim to know the size and the density and they claim to know what proteins it has
so the problem
Is is that what they do is?
Um, they don't even look in the bodily fluid or tissue almost never like rarely do you even see that in these studies
Instead they take the position that um, they wouldn't be able to find these alleged particles in the bodily fluid or tissue
There there would be too little of it. They won't be able to spot it
And that in of itself is
That's quite bizarre because they're telling us there's it's
Replicating in the people and that's what's making them sick can even killing some people
And plus you're claiming that you know that it's there and you can test for it and whatnot. So
Um, if you can't actually find it you don't actually have any grounds for claiming that it's in there
But this is how things work. They're not at all logical in virology. So they take the position. Well, um
We wouldn't be able to find it. So we're not gonna bother looking for it or try to purify it out
So what they do instead is they say well, we need to
Grow it so that there'll be more of it and then you know, we can find it better
So they do what they'll call a cell culture
And so what they do is they take the clinical sample. It could have been from a swab or um lung fluid
They take the sample from the patient sometimes they might
Grow larger particles, but not necessarily a lot of time. They don't even do that
And they'll put it in a cell culture. So first what they'll do is these are cells that
We purchase from the companies and those different cell lines. There's the kinds of different
Types, but one that gets used a lot
in virology and that was used with
the
situation that started in 2020
um, they're often using
What are called Vero cells Vero cells are
Epithelial kidney epithelial cells from an African green monkey
So not even dealing with cells from people. It's not like some a healthy person's lung cells
Let's let's see if we can nicely, uh, you know, get the get the virus to grow and
Attack the the healthy lung cells. It's not even that
It's monkey kidney cells. So right away people should be saying like what the heck why on earth
Would you need to grow this
Thing that supposedly made, you know, it's a respiratory
situation
In people, why would you why would you need monkey kidney cells to grow it?
But that's and it seems like
Those are the cells that she have a tendency to break down pretty easily
So that's probably why they use them and that make more sense when I explain a bit more
so what they do is they have the cells the cell line and they
normally if you just want to maintain the cell line they have to give it nutrition and
Uh, for whatever reason one of the sources new of nutrition that they tend to give is
Fetal bovine serum is usually what I what I usually see it called which is um, you know serum from a cow from a
fetus that was taken out of its mother
Uh, apparently in a really horrific manner and so now you're getting
You know more bizarre elements coming in so we need
We need kidney cells from a monkey. We need cow serum
And to and then they add they might add a nutrient mix as well
And they'll add antibiotics and antifungals
And their logic there is they don't want other
Contamined like bacteria. What have you growing in the dish?
Which makes sense in a way like you can kind of see
Logic there, but then you have to take into account. Well, how is that affecting the cells?
Because it turns out what they eventually do
They'll have a way of maintaining the cell line with those ingredients
But then what they do in the neurology studies is they'll drop the
Fetal bovine serum down to a fraction of what it normally would have so it's not getting the nutrients
And then they will
Double the amount of antibiotics and antifungals
So they're not keeping it in its normal situation. So
And then there's what they do. They add the clinical sample to this mixture that they've created and and you know
Another big point here is that this is being done in a laboratory in a dish or a vial
Totally unnatural situation that cannot tell you anything about why actually goes on in a human body. This is a totally contrived
situation
Again, it won't even matter what results you get because
This is not telling you anything about natural living body
But what they do is they put in the clinical sample and then they'll watch this
Culture for several days and if they starts to break down in a certain way, I'm no expert on cell cultures
but
If the cells start to break down they call it cytopathic effects cpe for short
and
This is what they take as evidence that the alleged
Particles were in the clinical sample
That they grew in the monkey cells and that they are what caused the monkey cells to break down
Not the not the starvation not the the extra chemicals or something to do that
It's this imagined part of it's literally just imagined like you haven't seen it
You didn't show that it was in the clinical sample. You're just
projecting based on these effects
um
And that they've isolated it
Like it's so far detached from reality and as I say even a child could understand because like one of the analogies we give is
It's like saying well, they're engaging in the logical fallacy
like circular reasoning
where they
say well
If there is that thing is in the clinical sample it will cause the monkey cells to break down
The monkey cells did break down
That means that the thing is the cause of the cells breaking down and that's just a logical fallacy
Where you know if a then b but then they try to go backwards and they say if b then a but that doesn't make sense
so it's like saying that
Well, if santa exists and santa
Visits the house on christmas eve will find presents under the tree and then christmas morning
You look and you find presents under the tree and then you say there
We know we know that santa exists and not only that but we isolated him. I mean if somebody published
You know
Everybody everybody could see and and even children as they grow up
They start catching on like this story isn't quite adding up, right?
so
And
That's how absurd it is and in literally everything that they do in virology is on that level of absurdity
They don't actually demonstrate what they claim that they're demonstrating. So this is why you need to go to the method section
So they will say based on that we isolated the virus and what I've been doing
is
Show me
Studies that you have that this you know an institution like health canada studies that you hold
Where anybody in the world doesn't matter who authored this
They actually found these
purported particles in the bodily fluid reticent actually separated them out. So don't I'm not looking for these cell culture studies
I'm not looking for studies where you know, you did a PCR test or some of the other silly things that they do
Like I'm looking for very clearly. It was stated very clearly
Um, not these other things. This is what I want just per the everyday definition of the word isolation
And then later I changed it to purification just to make it more clear
So, yeah, that's what that's what they don't have. They don't have any these foundational, um
Studies that wouldn't be needed
And then just to explain a little bit more and and this is good too. This is important for people to know
There's been a lot of attention on the ostrich situation in canada in for the last almost year now
And one thing that I've heard said many many times and I said it myself earlier on too because this is what I heard
And I guess I still haven't fully learned my lesson to fact check
Was that the birds
Had only been tested with PCR two two birds that had died were tested with PCR
So I always thought that's all that was done. It was the PCR tests
But it turns out what I learned and it seems like I feel like
Nobody else really seems to realize this
very few people
Is according to the court documents one of the supposed experts of the government
She was saying no no in her affidavit. She was saying no no
They also did the sequencing and they also did a cell culture
so this is um
For you know, because there are a lot of people concerned about that situation and of course they're going after other birds too
Based on that same narrative that avian influenza narrative
um
So it's good for people to know this because um if you think it's just the PCR
There's a lot of awareness about the problems with PCR
But people need to be aware that these other pieces of the puzzle as well because that way when you understand them
You can rebut them if you don't understand it
Then you might get stuck and you'd be like, oh, okay. I didn't know they did sequencing and they did uh cell culture all
Some people will think that's legit. Oh, okay. They guys they did show that there's that thing
so
Hope i'm making sense. I'm kind of going off on the engines, but
So
So regardless so I already talked about the cell culture and how ridiculous that is and it's not always monkey kidney cells
But doesn't matter the thing is
They bought some cells. They lowered the nutrition. They put in these extra chemicals
And then they just wildly project
That it was the the thing of interest that they think exists
That that's what did it when clearly you haven't demonstrated that
So in order to demonstrate causation the way the scientific method works and even young very young people would know this from learning it in school
It's quite simple
You have something of the what they call the independent variables. That's the thing that you think might cause an effect
and
The effect is the dependent variable
And so what you would typically do you would have two groups of subjects
One is your experimental group and the other is your control group
And you should keep everything the same as much as you can
And when it comes to people or animals like we're not all the same, but one thing that should be done is randomization
So that if you have large enough numbers
If you randomize the subjects to the groups the
experimental versus control
There's little chance the larger your numbers are the less the chance is that there's going to be any sort of imbalance between those two groups
So that helps control for potentially confounding variables that you can't
Control in other ways or that you're not even aware of
So um
And so you'd want to keep all the conditions the same in both groups as much as you can
And then in the experimental group the one thing that would be different is it gets exposed to the thing
That you think might be the cause
So you have to have the thing like there's no getting around it
If you want to apply this scientific method you have to already know that that thing exists like the particle
And and you have to have it and you need to have it purified because if you just
Take someone's bodily fluid or some
This contents from the cell culture, which is what you see in some experiments
Um
That's not that's not the thing of interest
they'll do an experiment where that is what they add and
Like you're not you're not even testing the correct hypothesis. You're making claims about a
Disapposite particle, but you're that's not you have any shown that you have it
so
So then um kind of dicey could I could I jump in here quickly is uh?
It's still dicey because the the you know to get a true control
Is not really possible
well, it's it's not possible for the very reason that
They don't have the thing to begin with
Yeah
You had to purify then you could do your best at least to make sure everything's the same in both groups
And the randomized would a randomization would help with that
right
Just like just just the point and I'm not sure if it's even a value to to make it but uh because things are
much more intensely complex
Where where there's one thing causes the other thing
It's it's always going to be problematic and and trying to isolate that there's just one thing causing another thing
Good luck with that because we're in a realm that is everything
You know, it's one. It's actually one field in in reality
Yeah, and you know, I think the scientific method
It's like the best you can do like how else can you do it?
If you're if you're claiming to be a scientist and you want to test a hypothesis
It's on you to use the most rigorous methods that you can do
But I totally agree and like even if someone did show that these alleged particles exist and do experiments
Um
Showing causation, you know, and you you don't just one experiment
You need the independent groups, you know doing the same thing over and over and and over
You know if they keep getting the same sort of results and you start trusting
Um, you know that that's what's going on
But even then if you had shown that that doesn't mean that
Somebody with a PCR test that that's why they're sick or um
Uh, especially when the you know the thing isn't actually shown to exist, but
Even if you found the thing even if you actually went to the trouble and actually found the thing and verified that that thing
Isn't their body that still doesn't tell you that that's why they are sick
because
You know what I mean? There's all kinds of other factors as well. It's like saying, um
You see the fireman at the fire and you're you well, no, that's different, but
Um, uh, there's just other factors that can be coming into play too and it's interesting because even the cdc
They have a document on the
testing for the
2020
narrative
Where they say right in it that even if you get a positive result like that doesn't necessarily tell you
That that is the cause of any illness
Right, and then we also know that there's all these
People that test positive and they don't even they don't have any symptoms. Like they're they're perfectly fine
so
Yeah, so I agree with you that it's um
That
We're in a complex world and
It's to really really proof causation
That's a you know, pretty difficult thing to do
But you can apply the scientific method and and have and this is what people around the world
We think the governments have been doing all these different health institutions
Um that they have been doing valid legitimate experiments all these years and they have
Done the very best possible, you know, and it turns out there's just
Nothing could be further from the truth
Exactly. Yeah, I think the one thing that you said like repeatable results
That points towards something even if it's not perfect
Then you can you know, and that's in a way what we're
That would you call yourself a detective? By the way, do you have a do you have a detective?
Spirit or is it more driven?
Not as much these days as I used to but yeah, like yeah, yeah
That would be more of a secondary
Motivation, but but yeah those repeatable results when you can I've been doing this a lot lately just in the last year
figuring out a way to eat that's the lowest possible poison and
Favouring for for the greatest amount of detox
That would naturally happen if I wasn't being poisoned all the time and then and then you know
certain small experiments and and learning to make oh just add one variable at a time and for
Some time to come also so I can really sit back and actually observe did one thing cause
Another thing and is it a is it is the cause like this or is the cause like this meaning?
um, you know do the results change
over time
That complexity and you can start to actually elucidate like yeah every time I eat black beans. It seems to go well
Yeah
Yeah, I know it seems like a dumb example, but I had no no no I'm used to the point that yeah
It does come down to
To me it comes down to did you well your experiment you're not you're not really doing an experiment you're
You're doing things differently on different days. You're not doing an experiment where there's a bunch of different subjects and you're
Comparing two different groups at the same time
So, you know it's that's just how it is. We're want to know about our bodies what agrees with our own bodies and yeah, it's can be very
um
Complex to try to parse that out
Yeah, in one body never minded many many so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think when you have many then it actually
you're then you can do at least the controlled experiments in in a different sort of way and um
Yeah, apply the scientific method and this is what people think they think virology is the science that these virologists are scientists and that they're
They're doing you know, they have massive amounts of money and these
research facilities that that company else can go into
conveniently enough and
um
They think there's legitimate research going on and when people find out I just keep saying like oh, hell's gonna break loose when people realize
Just the the degree to which they've actually been misled
um
So yeah with uh, yeah
Um, that that would be interesting. Um
So the sequencing I'll just talk about that a bit very briefly too
So though what um
Well, what you would need to do if you wanted to sequence something
I'm not pretending to be an expert on the topic of sequencing, but there's some very basic points that you you can't get around to
so
if you want to
know
this
genome of
A particle well first off you wouldn't even know at the beginning with something like you don't even know if there is a genome inside there, right?
You'd have to find out
But if you want to know that whatever genetic material and I'm just going to take genetic materials a given for this conversation because
People are questioning that as well. I haven't done a deep dive into it
I'm like kind of frustrated people won't even use the information
I I did get for them. So I'm not going any further
But I'll just assume for now that there's such thing as DNA and RNA
And and it might be I don't know
um
but the
So that's you know to sequence something
That's what you're looking for. So you need to know that
The DNA or the RNA that you're in the sequence
actually came from the particle of interest
If you don't have purified particles you only have
The snot or the lung fluid or the cell culture
um
And you what they'll do is they add an enzyme and it's so that uh any cells will break open
and if any
Those particles of interest actually existed they would also break open
And that way they're able to separate out the genetic material from all the stuff
That's in the clinical sample or the cell culture. So they're separating out that well
When you do it that way you don't
You don't now you have all these millions of different sequences that they detect they apply their technology
Well, now you don't have a way of saying well, which ones came from which particles like there's no you can't
You can't work backwards. You don't know. That's why you have to have the purified sample
Because then you know, whatever you end up with whatever genetic material
That's where it came from. It's the only place where it could have come from
So that's why for the sequencing and then the other thing to know
When you hear that they you know, they sequence the supposed thing
Um, they don't actually find this supposed genome intact
Never ever as far as I have ever seen and this is something for the last year and a half
I've been challenging the institutions on too when I do a freedom of information
I'll ask them also show any study
Uh where anyone
found this supposed
Genome intact in anyone's bodily fluid or tissue and they can't even show that
So what they do and this is a very simple
I'm not going to go into elaborate details on people
But they it's just computer modeling
So they detect millions of different sequences and in the key study
for the supposed event that began in 2020
The foundational study where they supposedly sequenced that particle for the first time
They had 56 and a half million different
smaller sequences to work with
Okay, I mean come on. This is so
The average person can understand you took 50. I think they took it from the lung fluid if I remember correctly
It was either lung fluid or the cell culture, but I think it was the lung fluid
You've got 50
I mean you're gonna have cells from the people and I mean the human genome project too that nobody knows what the genome
If there even is one of that person that you're taking
The sample from you don't know what sequences just were from them
Or as other people have pointed out bacteria fungi stuff. They breathe in, you know, like there's all kinds of potential
sources for this stuff
And you haven't shown that there is a particle that fits the definition of the the v thing
You've got 56 and a half million sequences. You don't know the origin of them
You don't know that you can't look at any of them and say, okay
They all came from that one particle of interest because you didn't identify something
You're just
Making shit up. So they all this information is in a computer and they with that
particular study they had two different softwares
And they had them both rearrange they look for areas where
Part of one sequence overlaps with another and they have to computer try all these different rearrangements
And the one software ended up with over 1.3 million of these longer
Sequences they call contigs the other one that was over
I forget. I think it was under a million, but I forget the exact number right now
By was it 365,000 or something? Anyway
Of course, right, and then they just picked the longest one
And they said that's the reference genome
So these all these genomes whenever you hear about a genome for one of these supposed particles
It's just computer modeling and there's no there's nothing logical behind it
There's and there's not there's no reference
Because then when you go back in history and say well, oh, they were comparing it to an earlier supposed thing to see how similar their new
Genome is they were all made up too
They're all just made up. You're just comparing one
Cartoon, you know nonsense to another that's all it is. It's literally just not it's so ridiculous
Yeah, I was about to use the word cartoon that was if you don't mind if I jump in that that is a way to
Appeal to our childlike nature you could say and and this is something that happened a lot. I'm
I'm not going to be in
Come 2020 stand on the stickers wave your finger go home. You're making grandma sick just exactly the way you would speak to a child
And then they show us the cartoons
Yes, I guess yes, right
And and they're profoundly influencing because you know if you if you say virus to someone they're probably going to get one of those
Especially if it's a cv thing, they're probably going to get one of those stupid green pokey things in their mind
Yeah, exactly even if they know differently, but they've those things have been married in their own consciousness
So there's there's an openness to the truth quote unquote truth of that
Yeah, and um, yeah, they definitely absolutely treated us like children and
They made us they convinced people. I mean many people have pointed out the absurdity of telling people that there's a disease so
Horrible so deadly that you need to go and get tested to find out if you have it
And you might have it and you're not even sick
And they they just made us dependent on the authorities. It was just another
Really drilling it into your head that you could be terribly
Diseased you could be a terrible threat to those around you and you have no idea you need to come and get our
Black box tests and we we the experts they will let you know if you have it or you don't
total total total dependency
On strangers, you know, and they're they're tests that you don't understand and uh
Yeah, that's it's pretty much the ultimate when it comes to treating people like children
Making us feel completely it's completely out of our hands. We're totally up to them to tell us what's what
Exactly. Yeah, no amount of observation or detective work or anything like
They're they're nice to see you a logical fallacy of belief in authority at work. Yeah, exactly
Yeah, I was just going to say like also
They these studies some of these studies
Some of them are a lot more complex than others a lot more intimidating
and um
There's a lot of jargon, you know, kind of like with law like they throw around all these different terms with you
And the trick wording, you know calling something isolation when it's nothing of the sort
They make them sound so
Complex and people come away thinking wow these people are geniuses. They
Oh, there's complex information and all these intricate steps that they're doing and all this incredible technology that they're using, right
And meanwhile, it's absolutely, you know ludicrous what they're doing that literally if you just explain it in simple words
Children literally can can see how silly it is
but yeah, it's
Really getting people dependent on
Authority figures and technology and telling you you can't understand something and hopefully we can get through to
A few more people today that you can understand it. It's not that complicated when you focus on the basic elements
You can see that they're just making shit up
There you go. That's a popular phrase now. Um, yeah
It's interesting that I'm sure there is by now and I just am not aware of it
but a resource teaching people how to
Go in and and look at a basic study and look at, you know, certain terminology and where they take you sideways
This is one of the things I'm really grateful to Garrett Smith about because as he teaches on his live streams
He's showing the the medical paper. He's showing the research
He will define words as you go so that you don't you're not tasked
Because you have to look a word up every time it didn't make sense
It would be like every 10 seconds or so
And now it's come to a point where I can myself go and do a PubMed search
And come up with some usable information not to say like I understand everything
But I can I can verify certain things that that you know
I can look up multiple studies and and look at it from a few different angles
And I know a few key words like when they say signaling they're talking about toxicity in in
In a cell or an animal or you know like exhibiting bad signs
So they they use certain words to make it seem like it's not that bad or that's
You know, yeah, yeah, and the whole peer peer review process. Do you think it's just a matter of
incredible corruption or is it uh, is it
What what's going on there? Well, I can just tell you when I worked at
Where I worked at the hospital was a well-known cancer institute
in toronto
And you know some of the researchers there were considered quite high up in their field and whatnot and
I just I can tell you when I first started working there, you know, I had just finished my master's degree
and
I was shocked to see well, like my job was to um
You know I've meet with a research team and they would tell me about their project
And then they would give me their data. My job was to clean it first off
Look for things that were missing or didn't make sense
Get it tidied up
And to summarize it and then to perform hypothesis tests on it like statistical hypothesis tests not scientific hypothesis tests
and
So I was shocked to learn as I was doing that just how
Not scientific
The average doctor was thinking and these are doctors at a research a research institution
And I mean they were taking steps around that time to try to correct this
They realized they had an issue there and they were trying to get the
Doctors that were early in their career training so that they would get better more
Scientifically articulate
But it was quite shocking to me that I would like over and over again have to explain to somebody like
You can't draw those conclusions from your your study design because it would just be some
Observational study. It's not even an experiment let alone a really
rigorous control randomized experiment, you know, they'd be wanting to draw conclusions about causation
Oh, you know based on like data, you just can't do that and I would have to explain it over and over again. So
um
Well, it seems like you know the education for doctors is
subpar
You know, they're not getting educated properly in in various ways. They're just being
Told things and expected to memorize it and not to do the critical thinking and not to look like
You know to ask and go looking like well, where's your actual scientific evidence to back that up and
Yeah, I was really shocked to see so I think there's just
There's to a large degree. They're just
naive and they have good intentions and they don't necessarily realize
um
And I think there is a lot of that going on and I'm sure among the virologists too a lot of them think what they're doing is
absolutely fine
and
They just haven't really stopped and and thought it through or maybe some of them work in different branches overall
You know, they're not the ones doing the so-called isolation and sequencing
They're working downstream from that and they just assumed somebody else did legitimate steps
And there's a
Clip that's been shown numerous times for example by in San San Bailey and other people
showing a well-known
For all just to forget his name right now
But he's asked in an interview like how do you isolate a virus and he gets completely, you know tongue tied and
Doesn't know what to say, right?
He's meanwhile. He's considered someone quite high up in the field
Right, right exactly. Yeah, that's uh two things I wanted to mention about memorization as our
primary form of education, right?
Here's a body of information you memorize the things we tell you to memorize and then you
Get your degree and can do whatever you want to do or whatever
And and I'm really convinced I I did a Beth of fresh air episode last week on uh, it was called remember
And it was kind of everything memory now
I have a part two coming because there's so much more I remembered in the process of this related and this
this act of
memorization I think
Cancels our, you know, it's almost like you've got a certain
bandwidth for memory that might be actually integrated with learning and growing and and
Bringing bodies of knowledge together
And making you know connecting the dots what they all they don't want us to do have basic logic
Uh, and then the memorization it maybe it fills that
Receptor that we have
And makes people the dumbest ever
that yeah
Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, it's shocking like I I don't remember it being like this
I don't know if it always was and I just wasn't noticing but I've been shocked in the like in the last five years just seemed like just how
horribly illogical people have
Are these days it's it's pretty scary
um
Yeah, and it seems like like
You know with the doctors they're kept super busy from the time they enter medical school
So they don't have time to go in
Fat check and they're not encouraged to question doesn't go over very well if you do question and
sleep deprivation
Yeah, so many um things that it makes you think like somebody
higher so to speak um up the chain
knows like we don't want these people catching on we we need to keep them busy and overwhelmed and
cram all sorts of um, you know information into their minds and
And then you know even when people do like I feel really sorry for doctors and
nurses or other people who've invested a lot like I really do because
You think first of all the amount of money that they spend on to go to school and then they you know
A lot of them are starting their their careers with massive debt
and
They have just a lot invested personally and if they're further in their career, you know
They status and just all the perks the money and everything and then
They you know have these
people
With no background. No, you know people like me starting to say like no what you guys are doing is completely wrong. I mean
I'm glad I've never had to go through that myself like, you know, that's I can't even imagine how
challenging and threatening that would be to people so
That's a big part of it too. That just keeps everything locked in place
Nobody wants to admit that they were wrong over those years
They were completely wasted time completely wasted tux bears money scared the living hell out of people
Injected, you know fraudulent tests like the whole
shebang like especially with what they did in the last five years like
I'm glad I'm not in there in their shoes
Yeah, that's a really good perspective to look at it from there's
that we when the
That can of worm opens can of worms open
It's it's like almost no end to the culpability that starts to show up at multiple levels
And I mean the more you put that off the deeper your
debt the deeper your
You know the the price of that is is going to be which and that it might not be an earthly price
We don't know and and I can't say anything of certainty for that. I was also going to just mention your
You know, it wasn't just the the educated that were
Victim to this don't think thing but the whole you know, some people say new cage movement or the whole spiritual side
That's more where I've come from very grateful. I never took to health coaching. I could have done that
The cancer survivor would have been a logical next level and I did look into nutrition in all kinds of directions
but I ended up more
coming on the side of helping people
deprogram
And and then the the sigh up of telling people don't think get out of your head and into your heart
You know and then hitting 2020 going like, oh, I got a I got a think that my brain is actually
God gave me this for a reason
I'm glad you're being that up because like I I went down the whole like
Obviously, there are non physical parts to our existence, right? But yeah, I think there is a lot of programming
Well, there's that lucious trust. I think it's called part of the un that
Pushes a lot of this kind of thinking and yeah, I do think that's been weaponized against us. Um
I'm not I don't mean there's no no value in
Exploring that side of life. That's actually I think it's actually really important. It's what
Helped me survive. But yeah, there was like there's no there's no emphasis in that whole
World whatever whatever you want to call it on logical thinking and fat checking and part of like
What I experienced was
starting to
I I actually used to become very distressed and I'm kind of done with all that stuff now
I don't mean that I'm done with it like I don't
Believe that there's a spiritual side to us. I don't mean that at all. But what I mean is
Reading books and listening to what people have to say on those topics
Like there was so much dogma
There's a lot of dogma and then I started realizing well
This person saying this and this person saying that and it like it doesn't fit and I don't know who's right
How can I fact check these things like I can't and
Yeah, there's just a lot of that
Like also like the whole idea too of having a guru and you just let them tell you things and
Yeah, I know there's a lot of good in that world self development and self awareness like I'm not trying to
trash all that but
Yeah, I have thought about that that there's um
there's that
It's not good to discourage people to give up their their minds and their ability to think
That's a dangerous thing to do
Exactly how convenient to have a population that doesn't think whether whether they came to it from the spiritual side or the academic side or wherever
so
Thank you. Chris david. He's all excited to see you here and
Yeah, yeah, just uh
Looking at the comments again. Um, I don't know if you're familiar
Was it gobbles who said if you make a lie make it a big one that uh, the the bigger the lie
The more easy it is to believe or something like that. Yeah, I don't know who said that but I've heard that many times
I'll mention too. If you don't mind, um another big piece of evidence that people point to is the um
The electron microscope images of these
Particles I'll just mention that really briefly. This is another really easy one to debunk
Okay, so basically all all they do
Excuse me. So first of all the first thing to know is with those images
It's almost always cell culture that they're looking at so the cell line the calcium the chemicals
and the clinical sample
Not looking in the bodily fluid almost never I have seen
One or two studies where they actually looked in bodily fluid
but almost never and they'll just
Zoom in on a particle and they put their arrow typically, you know
You'll see a black arrow pointing at something and they just say you that's the thing
And we call it the point and the clear method because that's literally all they do
They never they never purify that thing out even from the cell culture
And do all the steps that you would need to do to actually sequence it characterize it and do the controlled experiments
So they just they just literally just point so that's that's a very easy piece of evidence to if you get confronted with those like
Ask the people like okay, you're pointing at something but where are the studies where that thing was actually separated out
and shown to have the proteins and the genome that we're told that it has
Where was it shown to?
You know invade cells and hijack takeover replicates and make people sick
Where was it shown to?
spread to other hosts and
You know do all those things that he did and then they don't they won't have it
basically and then
Even if they did by some miracle, but I am confident nobody has that
You still need to show that it's in the people like if you're claiming that that thing has been circulating in the population
And you still don't have a study where you actually found that thing in the people which they say they can't do
You know what I mean you can't
Purify because you can have other things that look similar in those
Electro microscope images, but you don't know does it have the genome and the proteins that they're saying
So you there's no getting around it like you have to find this
these supposed things in in the actual people and
They just they can't do it so right right. Yeah, amazing. They don't even use human tissue for the most part what you're saying
That's like wow
Um
Contagion itself is really tricky as a subject
Because when you get into the terrain model, you do have actually seem to have to come back
To some form, you know, it's it's not what they're saying that the the uh the particle jumped from
Your nose to the mouth of the person that's less than six feet away from you
And you know this fantastical story. This is the part I could no one could make sense to me
I've got all kinds of medical professionals in my family and I'm like, how did they jump is it alive?
Does it have a life force of its own?
What is this jumping process and then the brother? Oh, I know they do somehow. I'll go, you know, get back
I never did
So but there but there is something so I spent a day with my son
A while back and he was detoxing and the next thing, you know in a couple of days
I'm detoxing too and I understand that it wasn't a you know a viral transmission
But there was some kind of transmission
Something was happening there
I'll just I'll give you my take on this. So first I always go back to okay. We've been told
All our lives that being around someone who has a cold or flu
That is a you know a risk to the healthy people around them
And yet when you go to them and you and I've been challenging them on this too
And others have done a lot of work on the contagion part
They never they can never actually show a scientific study that demonstrates this effect of
Sick people causing you know the presence of sick people causing healthy people to get sick
So that's number one and then there's experiments where
Well, I'm sure you know daniel right to sort a whole book about can you catch a cold?
And he had reviewed over 200 studies on that topic and he found none of them had any scientific evidence that
People with colds actually make healthy people get colds as well
And then there's one very famous study that we talk about a lot, which is the rosenow study from
1918 1919 and this is the study where
They had uh, what was it?
prisoners and they
It was during the time of this Spanish flu, which they said was a highly contagious illness
And they had 10
People who were sick and they had volunteers
And they tried it's a very easy study to read that's on my website. People can find it
rosenow is the name r-o-s-e-a-u
And other people have written articles about this study too a few people have um
and
they
But they would try something where the healthy people were near the sick people
Had them cough in their face things like that
And another healthy people would get sick and it was if I remember it was like, uh
fairly young male prisoners
Which apparently are the ones that were said to have the Spanish flu like they're the the demographic that
supposedly had it the most
and
So then they would try something else
They would try another way and they end up doing all kinds of things that would these days wouldn't happen
Because they would say that's unethical. We can't do that
So they would actually take bodily fluid from the sick people and put it straight into the healthy people
They had the healthy people go one at a time go and sit like five minutes
Letting the sick person cough in their face
Do all kinds of things
And then go on to the next sick person 10 of them
Right and none of the volunteer none of the healthy people got sick after spending time with 10 different people
Purposely trying to make them sick they couldn't do it
so
yeah, so
There isn't any scientific evidence and a study like that
It wasn't controlled but it doesn't matter because the the thing with controls is
It's when you do get an effective interest you want to be able to weed out other possible explanations
But in those studies, they couldn't they couldn't get the effect anyway
So it doesn't matter if there were controls or not like you didn't succeed in making anyone sick
But then we all know like
We do like you know
Certain people walk in the room and you just don't feel that great or someone yawns and you start yawning or
You hear stories of women's periods syncing up all kinds of things where it seems like the presence is affecting others. So
Yeah, I don't I don't know if there's like maybe there's an element where it's someone that you're closer to and you're kind of more connected to them
to begin with
or situations where
Well, it seems like the mind is very powerful too
So if you're someone who has a strong belief that being around sick people will make you sick
You're probably like more likely to get sick
So yeah, I'm not claiming to have all the answers and it's something, you know of interest
But like you're saying they they can't actually show that there's this particle that goes from place to place
And gets passed around in the ways that they say it does and and that they claim to test us for and that they claim to
Is insert things into our arms to protect us from them
Definitely don't have anything to back up that whole narrative
No, exactly one of the big clues for me was that the the word itself virus means poison
I just looked it up one day early on and I went oh, okay, and and and then I'll hazard to get
Took a claim to say poison is contagious. It is easy to spread poison
And you know someone that's say really toxic so toxic that you can smell on their skin on their breath
In their vibe, you know, just being super negative
There is a there is a transmission
I'm not going to go into a sauna with somebody who has toast on garlic because it's poisonous
That sulfur is also poisoning me. Some people think garlic is it's healthy. It's not
And you know, so there there are some cues. I like somebody said energetic transmission
Say say this time of year
It's very very common in Canada and we you you go around and and there's a good number of people who've been detoxing
Like that's just it's just it is a normal thing
That's why they can take advantage of us and plantemic us in the first place
Because there are these seasonal kind of detox. Well, you know Garrett would say
Oh, your body sees that the long winter is coming and it's not going to be ideal to detox detox now
Get get some of that stuff out of the way. It'll prepare you to hunker down for the winter and and so it's just a
It's just a natural thing and and then yeah, the
The spreading of poison that's very easy to do spread in the sky put it in like you said the water
Yeah
Sorry, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and then it can look like a contagious event because people in that area start getting sick at the same time
and
And I mean even if they're
Like the thing with this supposed germs their whole story is
It's especially scary. It's kind of unique type of poison
Because they say that it replicates right and and bacteria do replicate, but they haven't been shown to cause illness
But so it's like if you if you have a toxin in you and you're spreading it to others
Through intimate contact or whatever means in this honor. What have you?
At least in that situation that thing if nobody's
Saying that that a poison is going to get inside of you and replicate
And then you get more of it and then you can spread it and it just keeps growing and growing and growing
Um, at least with poison like you're talking about a
A finite amount of something
So then if you do spread some to other well, okay, some will still be in you
Or go somewhere else. So it's it's a different sort of situation
Absolutely, but yeah, so it's giving the poison
Yeah, oh, yeah, sorry the word. Yeah, so, um
I know
Other people like dr. Stefan Lanka and the Baileys and mic stone and tom and andy
Um, tom cown and andy kaufman they can
Talk and talk about the history of virology. I I don't have a good memory for that kind of stuff
So I tend to stay away from it but apparently yeah over the
Over the years through the history of virology that the virologist had different ideas about what uh
What they were calling the virus. So they used to at one stage. They thought it was a protein
And eventually they came onto this idea that there's genetic, you know genome of the
Shell around it and then they say some of them have an envelope
Um, but at one point initially in in latin it means poison
and
yeah, so
That makes sense. Like yeah, we get poisoned and we
We get sick
We need to detox the poison. It's going to come out and it's going to look like sickness, but it's
Actually the cure
Right. Yeah. Yeah, let's kill the cure at all costs. That's the next level
Let's make sure that poison doesn't make it make its way out of people's
Body and it can look like sorcery. Absolutely
There was hey Jen. I
And paul and mike new and all kinds of good people are here Jen. You said something earlier. I wanted to go back to
I think that
We could talk about here
Yeah, okay
Um
Yeah, so this is this is what I would call a natural fallacy that if it's found in nature
Say all of the poisons that are found in nature
This by the same theory a virus is found in nature, right? Like in the the bugs or then the
Uh, mosquitoes or whatever wherever they come from
Um bats, I guess is the word I was looking for and and so yeah, it's very true in this case
Fluoride does occur in nature, right? It's it's it's an element
But but because it's natural doesn't make it good for you. No
Right. Yeah, it's a nice draw to that
That's one of the things with the public health establishment when they're putting out their little bits of
Propaganda, it's one of the things they almost always well very often
We'll say right off the bat fluoride is a natural occurring mineral, right?
Well, first of all, what they don't tell you is the naturally occurring minerals calcium fluoride
And that's not what they're putting in the drinking water
They're putting in acid that they collect from the smokestacks of the phosphate fertilizer industry
And there's you can find news reports if you go to youtube and put in
um
fluoride acid spilled or hydrofluorosalicylic acid is one of the names for the chemical it's a well done
You might just put hfsa or but or fluoride spill
I know there was one in florida this stuff is so toxic
It literally eats through the parking lot like the people have to come in their hazmat
Suits and it's eating through the parking lot. It's used in industry all sorts of applications for etching glass and
You know all kinds of things. It's known to be really hard on the equipment at the water treatment plants
Um, the workers don't like
Using it because you know, it's a very dangerous substance
and um, I don't know if you would remember like I forget what year it was but
Maybe roughly 10 years or so ago give or take
There was a really bad accident. Uh, well, I don't know if you would have heard about it because you're not in
Ontario, but
It was a really bad accident on the highway 401 in Ontario in the wintertime near Kingston
And what happened was there was a big pile up of vehicles and there was a tractor trailer
carrying this chemical and it was a
The driver ended up dying
because
The collision this chemical went on him
He died a bunch of first responders were hurt. It was a big environmental
they needed a big, you know a proper environmental cleanup like it was a big big deal and
Yeah, that was so that was another issue too with the water fluoridation even like transporting this stuff in our roads
And the funny thing was I know i'm going off topic. You're sorry. We'll get back in a minute, but um
Like just going back to that what we're talking about earlier about how you can show them this information and it just
They like the authorities. They don't care
We there had been a meeting at the region appeal and myself and other people delegated and um
One gentleman, thomas, I forget his last name. He had brought msds sheets the
material data safety sheets
Um for these chemicals and he's reading it off
And telling them all the alarming things that it says well, they're laughing and like Bonnie Cromby who was the mayor of mississauga
Like she was snickering. They're like, oh, you're so ridiculous like that's
Um for the people handling it you put it in the drinking water and it's diluted, you know, it's parts per million and
you know
and he was
Saying like this is uh, you know, we had been saying it's a hazard on the roads as well. It's just a hazard period
and
Literally within a day or two maybe three maximum
I think it was a day or two later that accident on the 401 happened and they were being very vague
Some kind of fluorid related chemical and I started tweeting to the media
Seeing that sounds like hydrofluorosalus. Sure enough. It was hydrofluorosalistic acid
From the from the supplier that supplied the region appeal might very well have been headed for my community
So they could dump this crap in the drinking water. Oh, yeah, so
Yeah, so that's what they actually put in the drinking water
It's contaminated with arsenic led all sorts of other things radio nuclides. What have you
And then uh, they say that it breaks down in the water, but they don't have any experiments to actually show that
um, when they
Sorry, it's almost impossible to remove from water every every filter process
Work will take, you know, might take everything else out, but not before you have to distill or reverse osmosis
Yeah, or get really expensive filters, special filters
um
But, um, sorry lost my, um
Train of thought, but yeah, they'll say that it's natural. Well, that's not what they're putting in the drinking water number one and number two
like aluminum is they'll say
Fluoride is naturally occurring mineral. It's I think it's the 13th most abundant mineral in the earth's crust
I think that's I think it's 13th if I remember correctly. Well, if I'm
Aluminum is much more abundant. It's much higher up that list
Does that mean aluminum safe and we can put that in the drinking water? Like obviously not, right?
Or natural
Exactly another fallacy saying, oh, there's a lot of it therefore. It's good for you, but no
Right, this is just we live in poison world to or as I can tell
So yeah, yeah, really interesting. Uh, yep poisoned a poison this poison is is a poison
That sometimes people also turn to a fallacy. This is really off topic around health
And they'll say, oh, well, it's a poison for you and it's not a poison for me
And this this is absolutely garbage. Yeah. Yeah, the poison may be uh dealt with differently in your body
You might be at a different level of toxification or health of your liver
And you're going to see different things and and there's other factors how you're suppressing your own
Detox processes are very very common with poison. By the way, that's exactly what what suppresses the detox
Which makes it even amazing that people still get sick
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter the dose
They always say oh, it's dose the dose makes the poisons like no no
That I run into this with a number of compounds and it and it's working both ways for example copper
Is something that has been touted as a natural health, you know necessary nutrient
It's like no it shows up. It's abundant because
We are are inundated with it. Oh, wow water copper pipes iud's
Never mind copper supplements
Most of the foods that are propagated as out the ones we should eat are very high copper
I jumped out on copper anyone who's got a chocolate
Addiction is is taking in massive amounts of copper
Along with their caffeine
You know and and it's addictive poisons are addictive
This is another major factor that people don't understand when it comes to this like virus equals poison
We actually get addicted to that what what is poisoning us
And they're yeah, almost always stimulants like, you know caffeine is an insecticide nicotine is an insecticide
And so they've managed to sell us the garbage really right when you're talking about they've sold us aluminum
That's or is it salt that came from aluminum?
Smelting that they made food product out of there was at least some level of it at some
Not sure sorry. Yeah, and now there's so many different salts
So it might have just been the you know table table stuff
But but yeah, they managed to sell us their garbage industries don't want to waste
It's costly to to deal with things properly. So oh, let's put it in the water and
Food there's there's a memo from the EPA. It's on my website. Um, I don't know who originally got a hold of it
it's from
the director somebody high up at the EPA years ago and they're saying to
I don't know somebody else at the CDC or somewhere and they're like, yeah
Hydrofluorosalic acid this it's a huge problem for the industry to get rid of
Well, they first they had to start collecting it in the smokestacks
Of the phosphate fertilizer industry because if it went out into the environment
It was hurting the crops and the animals and whatnot, right?
So they they were regulated and told you have to collect it. They have something called scrubbers that collects it
um and
This stuff like I said, it'll eat through a parking lot
So they need special containers and it's like a cop an expense for the industry to deal with this stuff
and so there's a
Memo from someone high up at the EPA saying, yeah, you know, this is a great solution
We had this problem of how to get rid of this hydrofluorosalic acid
And now we can just put it in people's drinking water and that solves the problem
like literally
And the communities pay for it instead of them the industry having to pay to get rid of it
We pay them to
Take this stuff off their hands
Exactly we buy the poison
To poison ourselves with yeah
Yeah madness
So I would love to with a time that remains turned towards
You know behind the scenes what is going on for you? What what has it been like to to be the
How did you phrase it earlier? I I always call myself these days an outlier among outliers
And you you seem to reflect that what was the word that you used for it?
I can't remember well the fringe of the fringe of the fringe. Yeah
Yeah, exactly. And and so what's that been like for you to say to come out before there was any support
Before you had connected with the likes of Andy Kaufman and
Oh, yeah, that was a very strange it's still very strange for me
Like I am yeah just on a personal level because I was always very shy
and when I first did an interview like I was so terrified like
I still don't look forward to it. It's not my I was never outgoing and I was always camera shy
So it was like a huge thing
Um, and it still seems very strange to me that anyone wants to hear what anything I have to say about anything
I never thought I'd be in that situation. Um
But I always say, you know, it's it's a reflection of just how ridiculous for all she is that just
Anybody could come across this information and see
How ridiculous it is? Um
But yeah, it's been uh, I mean, it's just been a huge
I mean so many things of the last five years, you know, uh
We've all learned a lot. I'm sure of the last five years about government in general and
All these various rabbit holes. So yeah, it's been um
It's kind of something where I struggle like I would I would part of me would like to just walk away from it
All and like the hell is this? I got to get it on with my life
But then when you when you when you've done so much and you have this evidence and I know
I'm the one that can speak the best about the fo is because I'm the one that
collected like did a lot of them myself and then
Um collected them all put them on my website. So
Yeah, I could feel like I have to keep going and yeah, it's just uh, it's kind of a weird situation to be in
It has the ring of sacred purpose, you know, it it's usually like that where god tells you to do something and you're like, really?
Are you kidding me? I have to do that
Yeah, and I'm compelled and I won't be able to sleep at night or live with myself if I don't
Yeah, that's what it is. You know, it's funny. I mean
years
Uh a few years before it all all that got started. I I was at um a spiritual center in in a friend event
And we were in a sitting in a circle pretty large group of people
And there was a lady who was the guest and she was leading us through a meditation and I had a good friend beside me
and
during this meditation I had this image of like this, um
very erect, uh, you know, like image of a certain type of
native man very
Stand very very straight and very serious looking guy like
Just very serious dude and very on point and straight and
In the vision he put something on my shoulders and it was uh, it was very strange because it was like, um
Uh a poll well the way I what it was to me was, you know, the you know, the Ikea curtain rods those black curtain rods
And they're about that big around
And it was like that and it was like and then my friend when the meditation was over
She said she had seen the same man and that he was there for me, but she didn't see the part about the poll
the curtain brought on my shoulder
And um, it was funny because it was like I puzzled over that for a long time and it felt like a responsibility on my shoulders
Yeah, but at the same time it was lightweight. It wasn't really heavy
So it was interesting. I always kind of stayed in my mind that
There's going to be something that I'm going to have to do and it's going to be hard, but it's not
too heavy
but yeah
yeah, interesting that I pulled on the wizard of us
metaphor for the title of the the stream pulling back the wizards curtain and
And you see I was just thinking about that metaphor of being the one who goes to pull back the curtain and how
Terrifying that that can be when you're you know, you're coming up against what you can only imagine
is the beast or
And and then and then pulling it back and going like oh not nobody almost nobody in there
Yeah, right. Nothing going on here. That's literally what it yeah
But I think because of the the fluoride stuff like
one thing that happened to me that I think had a big influence on me was um
Before the hoax began
I was living in an apartment and I happened to be right across the street from
city hall
Like they were literally right across so you know in our apartment. You only have windows on one side of your home
There's only one direction you can look and all I saw every day for 10 years straight was city hall right in my face
And I was on a a bluve of plaza. It was a nice apartment. It was a two level apartment
But it was above a plaza. So there was no yard. It was just
our building the sidewalk
the narrow
One lane each way street and city hall like really close. I could almost throw a rock across the street
And that's what I looked at for 10 years and during that time
I knew that they were doing the water fluoridation and I was obsessed
And I just got like I'm gonna bring you fuckers down one way or another like that was how I how I felt like
Somehow one way or another I'm gonna get you guys not to hurt them
But I mean to expose them and I felt like that had a big that was a big part where yeah, I just became this
Mission like I'm somehow I'm gonna get you guys
Right, right. Oh fascinating. Yeah, I've been trying to read the archetypes around it
and it's um
Some when you say I'm gonna get those guys. What would that outcome be? What would what would it?
What would how would it look?
It would it's too
I never want to hurt anybody like it's not about
And I'm such a softy like I probably wouldn't personally wouldn't be able to put someone in jail
Like I I wouldn't want to be that person like other people have to make those calls as to what
Is done, but it was in terms of like
destroying what they're doing what they're getting away with exposing it and
Bringing it to an end. I mean, I don't know that if it's going to come to an end in our lifetime
but I certainly hope so and
You know do what I can to help bring it about
I mean, you've been incredibly influential in in
My life and then the lives of people that that I
touch and uh, you know, there's the ripple effect and aleck was recently sharing
Some articles that ended up was one of those even yours in in the uh,
Chiropractic magazine, which is yeah mainstream
Yeah, these days, right and you know every person that stops being afraid of some fictitious
scenario of disease and and turns the tables to oh, how am I responsible?
How can I respond?
to to this and uh
And not carry the weight of all of the the worry that so-and-so is going to kill you like my poor sister every time
We're kids at basic. I'm like, oh everybody get away
And uh, just the frame of mind itself is toxic
That we are a danger to each other and of course
Isolation is a massive massive part of the strategy to keep us from really
Connecting and talking to each other. So it's you know, your work has had a very profound effect and maybe we won't see the
Um, the full fruition of it in this exact lifetime
But you can't put this cat back back in the bag. No, no, there's no way
No, I feel like in a way. I was just lucky like I
I stumbled across Andy's information and he explained it so clearly and then I just I knew about I had done some freedom of information
Already, so I just thought well, I know what I'm going to do. Mr
Challenging them. So I just kind of got lucky in that regard
So I'm grateful for that that I had the opportunity to do something that actually could make a difference
And there's so many people helping too, you know, like obviously it's not just a handful of people
There's all kinds of people helping and doing the parts that I'm not so good at which is talking especially
you know in person or
That kind of thing like other people are out there
showing the information so
I'm hopeful we were going to see a um
Some kind of
shift in our lifetime even
I think it's already it's already
Yeah, exactly. I just had a conversation with my sister who's been fully employed by the medical system as a nurse and
She let me say all kinds of stuff this time
and not not that it was uh
Agreeing with me, but you could see she was at least expanding to see how I could think like that without
Being critical or needing to defend
Her position or anything like that, you know that there is such thing as critical mass, right?
When there's enough people around you
able to
Just ask a question and entertain the the fact that they don't have all of the information yet
That is uh contagious all you see is like oh well if they can open their mind for 10 seconds
Maybe that won't kill me too
Right and this is the positive influence that that our lives have on each other
It's why I'm a huge proponent of people really doing the inner work because you don't you don't understand
What a a ripple effect that has on the people around you that it may or may not it's polarizing people may or may not choose
To to come along because it's a question of free will
But at least you make it more possible when you step out and make courageous purposeful moves
Yeah, um
Sorry, there was something I was gonna say. No, I just totally lost it. But uh, yeah
Sorry
That's okay. No, I was just gonna say thank you for that
For being a pioneer in the serena and going through all of the
I'm I'm sure like incredible attacks that must have taken place at times and
Yeah, there's there's been some of that. I always kind of feel safe though like I
You know I've had moments where I get a little nervous about things, but I'm for the most part I feel safe so
People haven't tried to take you down and out. No, I don't think so
I had one night when I went for a walk and I thought somebody was after me, but
It was my imagination
Right, right. Yeah, I remember when I was first waking up and I got so paranoid. It's like, oh, no, I know they know I know and
Yes, right
Be in my garage when I drive in and all right waiting for me and so
I know what I was gonna say you're seeing people getting more open-minded. Um
Just a couple of quick stories like I have a friend in bc where you know the ostrich situation was playing now
And he's known for years about you know, what what we're just been talking about
And so he every chance he gets he's trying to share this with politicians and whatnot and people in media
So he ran into uh, you can see lives in a smaller community and he ran into the member of parliament for his area
In a grocery store and ended up having a conversation with him and he brought up
that
the
2020 supposed thing um hadn't been shown to exist and this mpp at the mp
He already knew
He was already aware. He didn't act surprised or anything. He's like he he realized that and then my friend said well, that's also true for the
bird flu situation
and
And then the mp was like
Oh, oh no, kind of thing right
But so that happened that was interesting and then
Actually going back two or three years. I was in a town outside of
Outside of my hometown and still in Ontario and I'm walking along the main street and I happened to notice. Oh, here's the office for the mp
Here's the office for the mpp the federal and provincial members of parliament
And so I popped into both of them unannounced and of course they always tell you that the person's not in the office
But I spoke to their assistants in both cases and I start telling them like there's no evidence for the supposed thing
And neither them even batten eyelash
Like I was expecting them to act like I was cuckoo
And they and I was like, I think there's been people who know for quite a while
Exactly. Yeah, there is uh people if you that's why propaganda needs to be
constant and repetitive and
You can't let up on propaganda because people forget
When there's no actual substance or knowledge to be had they forget the propaganda
The the impression wears off
And they stop being afraid and they stop, you know, observing
Regulations and they they just live their normal life. That's more based in truth compared to the the lie
You have to tell them over and over and over
Right, same with advertising the crappy thing
They have to pump a lot of money into continuing to advertise because you're not going to remember to go eat the crappy thing
For the whole part, right? They don't need to advertise basic
Whole food it it sells itself
Right because you want that
So, yeah, maybe maybe just a last question here
Around you know, is there anything that you feel like you learned about yourself that you maybe didn't expect to see or you didn't know over the
Could be maybe since 2009 or since 2020
um, I think
Uh, I think just well, I don't know if it's really getting to know myself better
but
That whole thing of just being careful about what I say because I
That's been a huge thing for me like just how much that I don't really know
And through the last five years realizing how many things that maybe we've been misled about that don't really
Look like maybe they're not true
And yeah, I've grown of course because you know, I had to force myself outside my my comfort zone. So
and um
Yeah, I don't know if it's really learning about myself, but just I'm just at a point where I'm just kind of tired and I want to
Walk away, you know, but uh, but I won't because
You know, gotta just keep plugging away at it
um
Yeah
nice
And do you think there it is going to be next steps or there are going to be next steps for you in a different arena or
Yeah, you have you kind of find home
right now, I'm kind of um
I'm helping somebody with something else like kind of behind the scenes and um
Uh, there'll there'll be other
things, um
But yeah, I don't really know what my future holds like
All I know right now is I'm I'm working on a letter to the minister of transportation about
That touches on the legal names and who owns the
Vehicle and stuff like that, but yeah, nothing or shattering. I'm sure a lot of your people know about that already
That's okay. Yeah, no
Research and trying to gather a little more information and whatnot
That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I admire your diligence. So I'm posting this is a clickable link, uh to
Christine's facebook profile up. You don't mind I grabbed that for you
and uh the website with all of the information about fluoride and then
Uh, Christine does a wonderful sub stack that comes out
Very regularly. It's funny. I get notifications at the beginning and then I stop getting notifications. I don't know why
that would be
And uh, yeah, I think that's all if you'd like to share out this
interview, I
Appreciate sharing this link in particular that goes to the blog and it has all of the recording links
This interview will show up on spike spotify
spy tunes
That's different uh itunes and spotify
Oh, it's funny. It keeps doubling up the
The link there
And yeah, so this is a good one to share out and people can catch it on multiple platforms
And I appreciate everyone in the chat and thank you Christine. It's been absolutely wonderful
To have you and speak with you finally
Admiring from a distance
Yeah
And if anyone is interested in the work that I'm up to you can visit beth martins.com
I always invite people to do an archetype course. I should have got you to do it christine, but it's not too
I'll do it now. I'll do it. Okay, perfect. Yeah. Yeah, it only takes about 10 minutes
I can I can direct message you the link after but here it is on the chat as well for anyone that wants to do that
Find out where on the path of purpose you are so you can get a little bit of insight into
The gifts and the shadows which often are like gold when you find them because
When you find a shadow, it means that's a place you are losing energy
And you're not able when when there's energy lost it doesn't go anywhere. It's just tied up
You can't take energy out of a closed system that we're in
But nonetheless, you're going to experience it as a loss of energy
So I'm all about people reclaiming the energy that they naturally have so we could be free
Not just free from the lies and free from tyranny and free from
Being poisoned, but but the actual birthright of the source of our own existence
That's that's what I'm a stand for so I do coaching and courses and I help people
Decode what is going on in their own inner life so they don't have to spend forever doing it
Let's see. There's one last question. Does it do you want to take one last question from the chat here?
Just were you harassed during the lockdowns? A little bit. Um, I had
You know a couple situations while I was shopping, you know when I didn't cover my face. I was kicked out of a
Park in Brampton. I was had gone to the park one morning when they had it all locked down and
Just because I had a migraine coming on and I desperately needed to be in nature
And I was living in an apartment and then got kicked out
I might have put up a fuss, but I couldn't with the migraine coming on so I just left
And then I lost my job where I was working at the time
Because I wouldn't
Wouldn't wear the mask. So
Right. Yeah, those are the main the main things. Yeah, and not to diminish it that the usual stuff the normal stuff
Yeah, that we all had to the abuse that we had to put up with was really staggering
But again, thank you very much for being here. I totally appreciate it's been been wonderful to speak with you
Thank you, Beth. Thank you. Thank you as well. All right. I'm gonna set up a
An outro that is recorded by my son. He's playing
His guitar and I wish you guys have a beautiful rest of your day while we
Get played out here
Bye for now. Oh, by the way, I'll just let you know too with it. We'll see you back here
Friday afternoon at 2 p.m. Central time for beth of fresh air that comes from
Many people sending me comments over the years saying that beth you are a breath of fresh air
And this week I'll see if in case you didn't hear the very beginning. I'm going to do part two of remember
Which is a very big subject. It turns out and highly
instrumental in all kinds of ways that we perceive and navigate in the world
So lots of love for now everybody. I hope you have a beautiful rest of your day. See you Friday
Bye guys