What's up, y'all? Welcome to the What's With Podcast.
I'm your host, Wheezy, and I'm joined by my lovely friend,
Miss Ashley, from Think, Change, Repeat.
How are you, young lady?
I am doing very well.
I'm very happy to be here
and looking forward to the show.
Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
I hope you're doing rather exquisite
and I hope everyone else is as well.
And so today we will be covering a subject
that I've never touched on in all the years
that I've done my podcast and that is Vietnam.
And you and I,
well, you came on the show a couple of weeks back
on the call in and I enjoyed you.
You blew a lot of people's minds.
A lot of people in the Spotify's and everywhere else
are like, damn, actually came in and kicked some ass.
So for sure, I was like, we got to get another show
where I want to feature you.
And if you enjoy Ashley's takes and views,
I have her email and her Twitter, her ex,
down below so you can follow her.
And we'll see if she wants to start a podcast
down the road and you can follow her there.
But Ashley, for those that maybe didn't catch you
last time around, let us know a little bit about you,
how you went down here,
how you got into Vietnam and all that good jazz.
Yeah, so thank you so much.
And I really appreciate the positive feedback.
If you have negative feedback, you can share that,
but please be nice.
I will tell you that on one of our unknowns shorts,
somebody, and I was actually talking about Lincoln,
believe it or not.
And they said, you look like Sid the Sloth.
So...
Who the hell Sid the Sloth?
Sid the Sloth is from Ice Age.
The cartoon.
The three-toed sloth?
Yes, that's it.
That's it, the sloth.
But yeah, so be nice.
But yeah, be nice.
And that's the thing, too.
A lot of people, a lot of people say weird stuff.
I maybe I could talk about it later,
but I made a call out for other people
that like to show to give some positive reviews on Spotify.
And then a lot of people on Spotify did.
Only a handful did on on Apple iTunes, where we need it.
But someone left a comment saying,
Weezy, I like your content, but too many F-bombs
make you sound retarded.
That I mean, I just basically said that I'm tired of hearing
whiney ass bitches make that same complaint.
And then he leaves a comment saying the exact same thing.
So people are knuckleheads.
And that's the thing.
I wouldn't take anything personal.
These people don't know you.
They don't.
That the way I look at it as a creator, when someone,
especially when they don't show a name,
they don't show a profile picture.
I don't give a shit.
They could say whatever the hell they want.
It doesn't do nothing to me.
So that's my little word of advice for you, Ashley, is
especially if you can't see any name or nothing,
who gives a shit what they say or think,
just let it roll off your back and move on.
Yeah, that's very true.
What I care about is presenting information
that maybe people haven't heard about
and maybe looking at something in a different way.
That's really it.
So if somebody does have thoughts on that,
of something that may be of note to me or correcting me,
I'm very, very happy to to hear that
because I want to be presenting correct information
and say when I'm speculating, say what we know
and be accurate in what I'm saying.
That's the most important thing to me
and exposing things or having conversations
that we aren't exposed to very often.
And another thing that's really important to me
is making some connections that we may not see.
So a lot of times we look at these situations
as very isolated, for example, Vietnam,
that we're going to be discussing today
in the Phoenix program, that we I feel like
we look at that as an isolated event.
But actually it is so fundamental
for so many things that we still see today.
It's building on what we saw before that
in World War I and World War II.
And but there are so many connections
to all of the propaganda,
to the people that are involved, the old boys,
the people qui bono who benefits,
the people that benefit from what is being done
from the destruction that was brought in Vietnam
in a million different ways.
So I care about that learning and making connections
and I am still learning, you know,
but that's my goal is to become more and more knowledgeable
on this stuff and make connections
that maybe other people,
even in the alternative space are not seeing.
Yeah, perfect.
Yeah, like I stated, this is a subject
that I didn't know much about.
I mean, I was a kid in the early 90s
and in the early 90s I remember
having a football coach.
He was probably in his early 40s back then.
I mean, he must have served in Vietnam
back then in the early 90s.
And, you know, he was jacked up and ripped
and he'd be like, thug on squats!
And just get all intense and say, we would laugh,
we're kids, what the fuck is wrong with this dude?
And now this week when I was hearing Saigon,
Saigon, I'm like, that motherfucker
was probably a hardened dude from those days.
So when he was getting intense in football practice,
he wasn't messing around, he was probably dead serious.
Exactly.
I don't know, I didn't realize how fucked up
things in Vietnam were.
I didn't, I never even heard of the Phoenix program.
And so we're gonna get into a little bit about that today.
So I just wanna give a caveat
before I let it off to you, Ashley,
that there's probably gonna be some hard shit
talked about today.
If you don't have the stomach for it,
tune out.
So I don't wanna hear no complaining,
no bitching at the moment, I'm giving you a warning.
The Vietnam shit is dark, it's ugly,
it's fucked up for both sides, for the Americans
and the Vietnamese that never get talked about.
So there you go, I'm giving you guys a fair warning,
y'all don't like it, shut the stream off right now.
All right, Ashley, let's hear what,
how you got down this rabbit hole, if you don't mind.
Yes, I don't mind.
So it's a little bit of a strange way
that I became interested in the subject.
So obviously there's a lot of different topics
that in the truth space, I realize is being important
to have at least some, you know, a jack of all trades,
you know, a little bit about them all.
And I really didn't know very much about Vietnam.
And one of the things that I think about from that
was when we were in school, you and I are the same age
we, what did you know?
You know, and I'm asking you, what did we know?
What did we think it was about?
Or do you even remember hearing what it was about period?
So my recollection as a young kid hearing about Vietnam
was just that it was a war
that eventually the people got pissed off
and became anti-war.
That's the very little bit,
but it never made sense in my head.
I'm like, what the fuck were we doing in Asia anyways?
I mean, that's so far away, away from everything else.
Like, I never got an answer to it.
I always wondered it.
But I guess I never even went that extra mile
to figure out why, what the hell were we doing over there
to begin with?
And so yeah, that's as far as it went for me anyways.
Exactly.
And I think that if someone would have asked me,
I would have probably said communism,
the threat of communism.
So to me, that just illustrated the lack of information
that we were given on this subject
as something that's very fundamental
to what we still see today.
And I think that that's probably for a reason
because we know a lot of the people
that orchestrate these types of events
are the same people who are also meddling
in the banking affairs of regular people.
They're meddling in our education system.
And like you said, you didn't really know that much about it.
And even if you're interested in being aware
of what is happening, this is, in my opinion,
part of the psychological operation
is that it is too difficult to actually keep track
of what is what.
It is very difficult for a regular person
to be very well-versed unless you put in a lot of effort
into figuring out what happened in these major world events.
And I do think that that's intentional
and probably especially intentional
because of the tie-ins that we still see today.
So that's one thing that I just wanna ask people
to think about is what were you told, what did you know?
I see that you have some people chiming in
and yeah, a lot of people know
kind of what's going on there,
but why were we there actually?
So before I move into how I got on the subject,
I will just say that the official narrative
was the domino theory of communism.
And this was the theory that was spouted by Henry Kissinger,
the Dulles brothers, people of that ilk
that they always used the threat of communism
as the boogeyman, the other.
And it's really interesting too
because the Dulles brothers and Alan Dulles,
they were obviously involved
in the government milieu in World War II
and they still, although he's known,
Alan Dulles and the Dulles brothers
are known to be sympathetic to the Nazi cause,
but they were working for the United States,
the United States was allied with the USSR,
which was a communist country.
So it doesn't really make sense
and maybe that's part of the point as well
is that people just didn't question that.
But ultimately we were told that it was about
stopping the communism domino, okay?
And then to get into how I came onto this subject,
it's a little bit of a weird story,
but I think it's interesting
because there's a couple of interesting
talking points in here.
First of all, I'm from Western North Carolina
and almost 26 years ago in February,
it will be 26 years,
a little girl by the name of Asha Degree went missing.
And recently over the last say year and a half,
there's been a little bit of activity in that case,
but I never forgot.
So I didn't know her and she wasn't even that close
to me geographically maybe 30, 45 minutes away,
but this was a story that always stuck with me
that it was an unsolved case.
And a lot of people are very interested
from the people that were locals there
to people that are interested in true crime stories
and what happened.
So with this activity over the last couple of years,
I started looking into it
and somehow some way on TikTok,
I ended up finding this woman
who was from Western North Carolina
and she was talking about a cult
that is located in Western North Carolina.
I had never heard of them
and I was a little bit surprised by that,
but she starts going into some detail about the cult.
And one of the charges that has been leveled
against them was human trafficking.
So I thought perhaps there was a connection
with this little missing girl
because it's about 30 minutes away from the,
you know, the setup, the base of this cult.
And so I just started doing
a little bit more digging into the cult.
And I don't know, they're probably not related at all,
but this was just one of the rabbit holes
that I was going to.
This particular cult is called Word of Faith Fellowship.
And they have some of the charges for human trafficking,
but it seems like or at least the information
that's allowed to be out is that they were getting,
they had a base of operations in Brazil
and they were getting Brazilian,
young Brazilian people to come up
and basically work for them.
And they were taking their passports when they got there.
So that would be the accusation of human trafficking
versus what we would normally think of
in maybe a McGowan or an Epstein or a Dutro sense.
But I was starting to look in that.
And one of the things about this church
is that they also had accusations leveled
against them from this girl online
who was from that area,
was that they were involved with trafficking
in arms and drugs.
And so this really perked my ears up
because so often these days,
it seems that there's a connection.
Anytime you see especially human trafficking,
drugs or weapons trafficking
or whatever combination you have
that there is likely some intelligence connection there.
And what started me believing that
in almost every cult that we see talked about
that there is some sort of intelligence connection
was rotting jewels, Dana Duda's work,
talking about the process church,
their tentacles and then that of Scientology
in a lot of different ways.
And of course we know that that ties in
with Charles Manson and Dave McGowan's work
covering the issues.
And so that was kind of what I was thinking.
So there was this person who had been called
by this girl online, a weapons trafficker
and his name was Robert Van Buskirk.
And he was a green beret from Vietnam.
And he was also involved in prison ministry.
So this was another connection that I had made
that there's often because in the mind control milieu
in the experiments that they had been doing
and working on, the Bureau of Prisons
is heavily involved in this.
And we know that a lot of times
they are going after the vulnerable people
and that does include prisoners.
So I had, I was just trying to figure out
if there's anything that I could find about this guy.
And turns out he did have a connection
with a CNN article.
The journals actually lost her job over this
whenever maybe CNN was trying to still be legitimate.
She was covering a story about Operation Tailwinds
which is where this green beret
and a couple of others said that the CIA
sprayed or the military sprayed sarin gas
on American soldiers because they were defectors.
And this story was discredited.
And so he ended up retracting his story
and the journalists ended up basically losing her career
which they call into the bus all for journalists.
If you are talking about a subject
they don't want you talking about,
there's a book on this and you will lose your career.
So that's another way that you know the fixes end
because you're not allowed to talk about
what they don't want you talking about.
So the other connection with this
was that this was happening in Laos.
The military was not supposed to be operating in Laos
but we know that the CIA was operating in Laos
during this time.
So that's another correct correlation
between this green beret, Robert Van Buskirk
and the CIA and a cult in Western North Carolina
that he was supposed to have been dealing with
and prison ministry.
So having said all of that
I was having a conversation with my friend, Wizard
and he said, if you're interested in that
there's a book that you need to check out.
So he tells me about the book, The Perfect War.
And that was really how I became very, very interested
in the topic of Vietnam
and then began making connections
with what we still see today.
And all of the many atrocities
and things that happened there that we don't talk about.
And something else that occurred to me on this issue
is that we see and talk about a lot
especially in the alternative media space.
A lot of people are talking about the genocide in Gaza
how it was blown to smithereens
how they completely destroyed that
but they did that in Vietnam as well.
And exactly what they're saying they wanna do in Gaza
the Trump towers, all of these kind of ridiculous things
and basically repopulate it, rebuild it in their own image.
That's what they wanted for Vietnam as well.
So I know that was a long and rambling story
but there's a lot of some of these connections
and just my thought process
that I kind of wanted to share about how I got there.
Yeah, that's awesome.
It's a, that was probably my one of the big wide
or eye openers this week
when you gave me those links to that conversation
with that gentleman that wrote that book.
What was the name of the book, The Perfect War?
The Perfect War.
Yeah, so.
Techno War in Vietnam and this is by James William Gibson.
And if you want those links, let us know
we can share those with you.
He did a, I forget the.
I'm gonna have to reach out to him, maybe I can.
That would be absolutely amazing.
He was so well spoken and such a gentle soul
but this is the other thing I want to let people know.
I'm not an expert on this.
I am trying very hard to learn as much as I can
but he was studying this subject for 10 years
before he put his book out about it.
Yeah, and we discussed this a little bit
before we came on.
You aren't, you wouldn't call yourself an expert or whatever
but you've studied it pretty, pretty deep.
This was a subject that you felt good.
I told, you know, it's the same with my Lincoln stuff.
I put a Lincoln show that I did with Monica up
and I got a few comments like, God damn, dude,
you should write a book.
It's just that's how in depth I've gone into it.
And so I go, maybe for you, this is Vietnam.
And so you don't have to have no God damn fancy degree
or any of that bullshit.
If you really got into it and you know it, you know
that's, that's good.
I don't, I think it's overrated.
You have to be an expert in this and you have to be an expert.
You have to have a degree.
Fuck all that shit.
I don't believe in all that.
And so this is a topic that's dear to you
and I wanna, I wanna go over it.
And I know you'll touch on it, but one of the things
that was mind blowing for me going down this path this week
the last few days was how,
and I think you kind of hit it at the very beginning
like how did, what did you know about Vietnam prior to this?
And it was very little.
I didn't realize that they were already meddling
with Vietnam decades before they actually went
into quote unquote Vietnam war mode.
They were screwing in that country way before it started
hitting the newspapers and whatnot.
Yeah, it's really, really dark shit.
And like you said, the tie-ins with what happened there
to today with what's going on in Gaza,
what's going on even in our, in here, in our country
where, oh, that guy is a MS-13 gangbanger.
We're gonna throw him to El Salvador.
We're, you know, that guy is Antifa.
We're gonna label him Antifa
and we're gonna throw his ass in jail too.
A lot of this shit stems from the Vietnam war days, man,
with the Phoenix program.
So I know you're gonna get into that,
but I just wanna, I just wanna warm people up.
This is why Vietnam is important.
And yeah, unfortunately I never touched on it,
but here we go better late than ever.
So let's hear it, Ashley.
Yeah, and I was excited that it wasn't something
that you had talked about very much
because I hope for you that this will now be
adding to what you know
and like another bullet point added to your thought process
when you're evaluating things.
And I think that it could really add to all the things
that you already know
and all the things that you already talk about.
So, and I saw that somebody had mentioned in the chat
and I'm sorry, I'm not paying attention to the chat.
I'm trying to be on here,
but they mentioned the Phoenix program by Douglas Valentine.
And if you're looking for just an introduction,
he does have a couple of interviews
readily available on YouTube.
So there's one with Geopolitics and Empire
from about five years ago.
Yeah, I listened to that one.
So you guys know that me and Eddie O'Hare,
he's my buddy, I love that guy.
He's my good friend.
And so Eddie O'Hare Moritz from Geopolitics and Empire
did a podcast with Mr. Douglas Valentine.
Excellent show.
So if anyone's interested,
we're just gonna give you guys a little taste.
And like Ashley just said,
hopefully it further makes you hungry,
you know, hungry to learn more
because I didn't know shit.
And then when Ashley's like,
hey, we're gonna do a show on this on Saturday.
Okay, I better do my homework.
And all week long, I've been going in, going out like,
there was so much I didn't know.
And so I hope this is what this show does today.
It inspires you to learn more about it
and see how it can relate,
how you can relate it to what's going on today.
You can't look at it like, oh yeah,
well that shit's from the 60s and 70s, who cares?
No, it's important today.
Just like why I cover the Lincoln ship from the 1860s
because it still applies today.
That's the biggest thing.
So there we go, man.
Sorry, Ashley, I'll try to shut up.
I wanna hear you.
I'm in class.
Let's go.
No, no, I absolutely love it.
I love the conversation.
And yeah, that's the thing is that we are going to be
really just scratching the surface.
There are so many facets to the entire war,
even to the Phoenix program
that are worth doing so much more work on.
So if y'all enjoy this episode, let Wheezy know.
Maybe he'll have me come back on
and we can do even more work on this subject.
So I'm advocating for myself a little bit here.
But let me grab my notes.
So what I wanna start out with is some basics
on the situation in how we came to be involved in Vietnam.
So as Wheezy was saying, a lot of times
we tend to think that we were in World War II,
that was over in the 40s,
and that Vietnam was sometime in the 60s and 70s.
But actually what was taking place was,
yes, World War II was taking place.
And Vietnam, the history of the country,
and again, I'm not an expert on this,
but I'll just say that over like hundreds
and maybe even thousands of years,
they had gone back and forth with invaders.
So they had gone back and forth with the Chinese
and they would gain some independence
and then they would kick them back out
and back and forth, back and forth.
So they were known to have sort of a fighting spirit
and a desire for independence.
And at this time though, during World War II
and leading into like early 50s,
the French imperialists were who was occupying Vietnam.
So what they noticed are especially the leader of,
who would become the leader of the Viet Cong
or the communists, whatever you wanna call them,
he wanted people to have more of a resistance
to the French than they really did.
Now, once World War II was underway
and the French were in a weakened state,
this was when the Japanese actually
started to occupy Vietnam.
So this was where Ho Chi Minh thought
that he could be able to get people
to kind of rally around the cause
and to try to get out from underneath
the Japanese imperialist.
But also during the time
that the French were occupying them, they had,
and I mentioned this on our other episode,
but they had introduced opium to this country.
So there was a certain class of people
called the Mandarin class
that were sort of like the government workers,
the academics and by the time the French
had made opium legal and opium dens
and things like that,
there was a certain percentage of the Mandarin class
that was addicted to opium.
Now, many of you probably already know,
but this was a technique that was used
by the Anglo establishment when they were,
when they were trying to wage war,
by the East India Trading Company,
when they were essentially trying
to take advantage of the Chinese.
So they used opium as a war against the Chinese people.
That may be one theme that you see still prevalent
and in our face to this day.
And we have, we talked about
that crack was introduced into black neighborhoods,
but they also introduced,
the Sackler family was able to get their product
to be heavily prescribed to Appalachia, essentially.
So there's a certain demographic,
which is a lot of times the underdog,
the working man that they're going after
and to try to disrupt these cultures
in whichever way they can.
So that's one thing that the French were doing,
which was using opium as a weapon against the masses.
So then by the time we had the,
let's see here, I wanna make sure I cover.
Oh, so another thing.
Well, you said real quick, opium in Vietnam,
opium in Afghanistan, same shit, different era.
It just doesn't change.
They don't even change the fucking script,
apparently it's bananas.
Yes, that is so, so true.
And the other thing about the drug issue in Vietnam
is this was used by intelligence
to start figuring out drug trafficking to the US.
Okay, so it was obviously an important part,
an important piece of the puzzle.
And the other thing was that under the French imperialists,
they did have some of the issues that come up
for the communist like land ownership.
Things like this were a problem.
You had a basically an agricultural society,
they were rural and a lot of them farmed.
Previously they had been able to pay their taxes
in rice and things like that.
Those options had gone away for them.
So we start to sort of see this unrest,
especially under the French
and then moving into the Japanese occupation.
So during this time, Ho Chi Minh had at one point,
he was exiled from the country,
he was studying in the USSR,
but he was involved and in touch with our,
I believe it was OSS at that time,
but then shortly after it was the CIA.
So in the overall war that the United States
was waging against the communists,
the leader of that group was Ho Chi Minh,
who had been trained by the CIA.
And when he was imprisoned in China,
it was our CIA that got him out.
They hosted CIA there.
They had people that were, Ho Chi Minh
and some of his people were trained by the CIA.
So I think that this is another interesting thing,
another pattern that we see many, many times
is we see somebody being used,
involved with, trained by, treated well by intelligentsia
and then they turn on them like a rabbit dog
and they burn them.
Yeah, look what's going on in Venezuela right now.
And I believe that all this stuff is connected.
You know, when we're dealing with the same,
the old boys club, we're dealing with the Bush dynasty,
we're dealing with drug running,
we're dealing with intelligence, CIA, but not only CIA,
but that was a huge part of it.
And I definitely think that
and after they were done with Vietnam,
they did turn it on Latin America.
And that led into, you know, Chile and Nicaragua
and probably still what we're seeing today.
I have no doubt in my mind.
So yes, so I just wanted to establish that
because that was one thing that I thought
was really important to point out
is that this Ho Chi Minh was the other, the communist
and yet he is another character that was propped up
as the enemy or the leader of the enemy with CIA ties.
And this would be the same for Osama bin Laden.
This would be the same for Saddam Hussein
and these people that we were told were the ultimate evil.
Yeah.
Yeah, again, same shit, different era.
Yes.
It's just puppets.
That's another thing that I quickly saw
even in the little research that I did on Vietnam.
We instilled a puppet in there.
Yeah, he got.
We didn't like him anymore.
So we got rid of him.
And you don't hear too many people talking about that shit.
That's it.
Yep.
And I'm going to touch on that a little bit as well.
But that is yet another pattern
that we see repeated over and over and over.
We install install someone as a puppet
as the leader of our side, the good guys.
And then we burned their ass.
Yeah. So many times.
And that's what I am actually expecting
that to happen to Zelensky at some point
because he fits that bill quite well, I think.
So the other thing is after the Japanese were bombed by us
in World War Two, then this obviously weakened their position.
So then we're back to the French rule, the French occupation.
OK. And so many had commented and I apologize.
I missed your handle.
But basically talking about the the Vietnamese victory over the French.
Yes. And here's the thing, during the time when we're setting this up,
Ho Chi Minh was trying to be an activist
and he was trying to rally support,
but he was also reaching out to the his contacts in the US.
He was trying to get freedom and independence
and he was trying to create a declaration of independence,
essentially for these people that was based on the United States.
And my my buddy Ronnie Omelts is in the chat here
and he he had made a comment before that Ho Chi Minh was also like doing,
you know, he was looking out for himself and that that's fine and very believable.
But this is what we hear is that he was trying to establish independence
for the country of Vietnam. OK.
The other thing that I want to establish
is that we had different factions in Vietnam.
So we did have people that were of traditional Vietnamese heritage.
There was another smaller group, the Mollin Yards.
If I'm if I'm mispronouncing that, someone let me know that were, you know,
they had a different cultural heritage.
They had a different background and they were looked at as lesser
by the overall Vietnamese people.
Then we also had the fact that most of the people in Vietnam
were Buddhist and Confucianists.
So their land and their ancestors was very important to them.
However, we also had a faction of Catholics in the country.
And this is going to come into play whenever we're we're setting up
the north and south Vietnam lines.
So basically at the time that the French were back in power,
they were being bankrolled by the United States.
This was after Ho Chi Minh had asked the United States for help in independence.
OK. And the United States gave so much money
propping up the French again.
Another pattern that we see is essentially the United States fighting
a proxy war by funding somebody else who's doing the fighting,
even though we know that we did have intelligence over there at that time.
So I think that these patterns that we're starting to see develop
are important because, again, we see them all the time still to this day,
played out, you know, wash, repeat, however you want to say that.
So they did have a victory.
Just use your slogan. Yes.
Bank change. Yes.
But the French got to a point where they they could they were worn out
because of guerrilla warfare, because they did not have the ability
to handle, manage, keep up with or fight back effectively against guerrilla warfare.
So finally they they called they called it and they decided that they were leaving.
During this time, they entered the United States at this point.
So even though Ho Chi Minh had asked the United States for help,
they were coming in under or after the French and they decided
that they were setting up the opposition to fight the communist.
And during this time, this is when the border had been established
between the north and the south, which was never supposed to be a permanent border.
And it was agreed upon
and they were supposed to have elections in the next couple of years.
Those elections never happened.
That border stayed.
But people thinking that just that it was the north versus the south.
It was super easy.
These were just communists.
The South Vietnamese people just wanted to fight them.
That is not true at all.
This was a made up border and it was never supposed to be permanent.
But going into the American occupation,
it stayed and that was, you know, the lines that they were working within.
But it was not supposed to be like that.
And yes, the United States installed a puppet.
This guy was a Catholic, so they were able to recruit Catholics
from the northern part of the country to come to South Vietnam.
And the his name, Diem, he was not popular.
So he did have the military as was talked about in a perfect war,
but he did not have the support of the people.
And he also had some tyrannical policies.
As I said, their their religion of Buddhism was important to them.
And he did some, you know, dictator style stuff,
like you're not allowed to fly your Buddhist flags and things like that.
So he was an unpopular person.
And this is also where we have the Kissinger
kind of whispering in the ear of JFK and they're selling him
on the idea of limited warfare.
And that was the whole thing, right?
We're going in to stop based on our domino theory.
We're going to be stopping the this communist domino in Asia.
We're going to be securing it.
We're going to take them freedom.
We're going to introduce them to this truly a build back better type life.
And we are doing that because we have so much money
and so much technology that they this is going to be a limited war.
There's no way that they're going to be able to to handle that.
Yeah. And the domino theory in reality was all nothing but propaganda.
To justify the bullshit down there.
I mean, again, same shit, different era.
That's what it comes down to.
I mean, if you really think about it, it was basically a neocolonial
empire maintenance, what they were doing down there.
You know, when we think about the colonial times,
we think about the 1700s, you know, fucking dudes with feathers in their hats
and calling it macaroni type of shit and selling around the seven seas.
But these I have World War One was war started over colonies
and here all the way into Vietnam, they're still fighting over a fucking colony.
So this is modern day colonialism and in its truest form
that doesn't really ever get talked about or mentioned.
It's fucking crazy.
That is 100 percent true.
And again, in my conversations with my friend, the wizard,
this is one of the things that so we we met in Richard Grove's autonomy
and Richard Grove, one of the big things that he talks about
is the Anglo-American establishment and how so often it goes back to that.
So my friend thinks essentially that the United States
is the attack dog of the Anglo establishment
and that really we're still under British rule.
And I think that that ties in with what Richard Grove believes as well.
And I think that there's enough evidence for that
because they had advisors from the UK working in in this situation.
So once again, another pattern that we see playing out
is that we have these old boys and throwbacks to
the UK to Great Britain that are involved in what we're what we're operating in.
One last little tidbit that I want to before we we really,
really start going deep into these Vietnam weeds, weeds.
The Gulf of Tonkin, as people in the conspiracy world,
we've probably heard of the Gulf of Tonkin,
probably from a sign up influencer known as Alex Jones
or if you listen to Joe Rogan, I used to be a hardcore Joe Rogan listener.
I no longer am.
And if you want to know why no longer and watch the Joe Rogan
or listen to the Joe Rogan episode I did with Seven Seas.
It was one of my most downloaded episodes to date
where we broke down Joe Rogan's bullshit.
But Joe Rogan is one of these guys that will mention the Gulf of Tonkin quite a bit.
The Gulf of Tonkin was an incident
that was completely made up.
It was completely manufactured.
Nothing never happened.
So if you are new to my show,
you're probably like, what the hell?
Maybe you've caught some of my episodes.
Oh, my God, he doesn't believe the Trump assassination.
He doesn't believe in the moon landings.
He thinks this is fake.
He thinks that is fake.
The Gulf of Tonkin has entered the chat.
The Gulf of Tonkin was completely made up bullshit.
So when you when you think that I'm I go too far
in questioning certain events that are happening
that I view them as manufactured and as staged
and as complete bullshit.
I have a base to put it on.
The Gulf of Tonkin from the 60s, completely manufactured, completely staged.
Nothing ever fucking happened.
And this isn't a conspiracy theory.
This has been admitted.
They faked it.
So anyone having a hard time, well, shit, they wouldn't fake no moon landings.
They wouldn't fake no Trump assassination attempt.
Oh, but here they admitted that they have.
So we do have a precedent for it.
So I just wanted to get that out of the way.
And I'm sure at some point you'll you'll revisit it.
But that's a that that's a preface
for anyone that's been listening to me for a long time.
Or maybe you're a new listener.
This is why I focused on a lot of fake ass shit,
because there is a precedent for this.
Yeah, and I think that's a good point, because that's something that,
you know, I have had challenged a bit is believing essentially
that the fix is in is something that Monica says a lot.
Monica Perez and so I've been thinking about that.
OK, what evidence do we have to support that?
And so I think that building this.
History and looking into this and making these connections with,
first of all, that they happen is second of all, that actual
people who have been studying this for decades and people that are
speaking to the real agents, people that are academics,
they are also documenting that this happened.
And you don't have anybody in a government space
that's telling you the truth about about these types of things.
They're not admitting to even the Gulf of
Tonkin that happened all that time ago, right?
But yes, that is something.
That was an event where it supposedly a ship was reporting
that they were having torpedoes fired on them all night.
And that's why they ended up using that
as justification for attacking.
And it didn't happen.
It simply did not happen.
And there was another ship who was in the area that verified
that they never picked up torpedoes on their radar.
And they suggested that the ship that was saying that it was attacked.
I can't remember the name right off the top of my head, but that
perhaps they were hearing their own engine
or their own rotor.
So yeah, I just wanted to touch on that because my show
I do a lot of shit where that shit's fake, that shit's fake, that shit's fake.
So I think that's why a lot of people follow my show
because they feel the same way as I do on a lot of these things.
So that that's really for someone that's like, God damn, dude,
this dude thinks everything is fake and gay.
I'm we're going to be talking about the Gulf of Tongue
is something that has been established.
And I would argue this shit didn't start even then.
I've talked a little bit about the U.S.
Mexican War and maybe at some point I'm going to get
an actual historian, an accredited historian on it,
because I know that real good.
I studied it. I'm I'm of Mexican American heritage.
And the U.S.
Mexican War started over a fake as
the U.S. said that the Mexicans fired on them.
The Mexicans are like, why the fuck will we fire at you?
We don't want no war with you.
But it was.
They said that the Mexicans fired on them
so that now they have the green light to go ahead and attack.
Just like the 9 11's when the towers got hit,
now we have a green light to attack.
It's always this bullshit narrative to get us into these fucking wars.
And the Gulf Gulf of Tonkin was no fucking different
than any other time in history.
So these fake events, these fake narratives
go back as far as the U.S.
Mexican War may hurt.
I would argue even way before that tells all the time.
Yeah, it's it's it's all that shit, false flag attacks.
So enough of that, let's hear what you got, Ashley.
Yeah, I think that's 100 percent an important point to bring up
is that even what we're seeing here is likely not new.
Some of some of this is new.
But I would agree with you that ultimately the primary tactics
that are used to manipulate the situation and justify
whatever they're doing, this has been happening for a very long time.
Now, the interesting thing to me
is why they even felt the need to justify because it it seemed like,
yes, there was the antiwar movement back home,
but we know they were also actively trying to discredit the antiwar movement
that they were infiltrating the antiwar movement.
We know then we had the Laurel Canyon tie in.
We know that they were doing that with acid.
We know that they used the their drug trafficking,
what they learned in Asia to bring that to the United States
and to facilitate getting acid out to a lot of places
so that they would hand out, you know, a huge amount of acid
at like grateful dead shows and things like that.
So we know they connects in a million different places.
Yeah, but.
Well, and then real quick to the just like in World War Two,
you had these big US corporations that were making
bucktons of money off of the Vietnam War.
While many people, there's probably people listening to this.
I have an uncle that died in Vietnam.
I had an uncle that got some kind of disease
because of Agent Orange in Vietnam and he died of cancer.
There's I'm sure there's going to be people listening that can have
that have a family relative that can be relatable to the Vietnam era.
And when you realize that a lot of these big businesses,
these US corporations like Monsanto
was heavily making fucking billions and billions of fucking money
out Vietnam.
They didn't give a fuck that the US that the Americans were losing
because the money was still rolling in.
That's all they gave a fuck about was the fucking money.
The soldiers on the ground, they were thrown in the meat grinder.
Fuck them. We got a draft going on.
We could if we lose a fucking squad right there,
we just get some more motherfuckers and throw them in the fucking meat grinder.
That's one of the darkest parts to the shit that doesn't get really talked about.
Meanwhile, Monsanto and all these other US corporations
making that fucking money.
And that's one of the darker parts of the Vietnam shit
that you won't really ever hear too many people talking about.
That is 100 percent true.
And this is something that Monica Perez also talks about during World War Two.
Like what you're saying, the money never stopped rolling.
Que bono.
It is always the same group of people, the old moneyed people,
the people that our friends with and our lawyers of and went to law school with
and whatever who are at the heads of these corporations
who are at the heads of the banks.
Who are in the military contractors.
These are the people that continue to get rich
and the people that continue to make money in spite of the atrocities
and the human toll that they cost our country
and whatever other country they're meddling in.
And not only that, let's take out the all the people that are killed for these reasons.
But then the rest of the population that is left,
they are actively cranking down on your freedom, you know,
because because these things are steps to and working towards
the technocratic state to the globalist technocratic state.
And this was a huge part of that.
And this was the does the case that Valentine makes in his conversation
with geopolitics and empire that this was a foundational piece.
Operation Phoenix was setting up the surveillance techno state.
And yeah, so and we can get a little bit more into that,
but I agree with you 100 percent.
And like what you were talking about, I also wanted to point out that not only
in what you're saying is correct, that they treated the regular person
who was going to be out on ground patrol.
They treated them like an expendable resource.
Exactly what Weezy was saying, your uncle,
somebody's fiance, somebody's son, somebody's brother,
somebody's friend in high school, they didn't care.
They sent them out there as bait and they knew it.
And so this was something that I wanted to get into.
So there was actually an incident where special forces set up a presentation.
So they're basically propagandizing JFK to let
these special forces be part of this limited war.
And they had, you know, like some some equipment that was never actually used.
And they had a miniature propaganda campaign
where they set off all these papers, these flyers with JFK's picture all over it.
And they were wearing their green berets.
And yes, and I want to get into the
to the chemical warfare agent of that as well.
Let me make a note.
But so so what I wanted to say, though, was that so JFK was
sold originally on the limited war nature, on the techno war,
because there's no way that this is going to be a long conflict
because we have the advanced equipment.
We have the the money.
They're just poor peasants, right?
And we're stopping communism.
So that was sort of how they ended up getting him
on on with that.
And then he was propagandized as well by the special forces
in order to allow them to participate in this limited war,
which I just thought was an interesting bullet point.
And there's a lot of weird things even to this day.
And, you know, Seth Harp has the book of about Fort Bragg,
where he's still talking about drugs and special forces.
And we know that Fort Bragg has their psychological warfare operations
part on this base.
So all these things are still connected to the state.
Now, at one point, though, the puppet DM,
the leader of South Vietnam, he was not popular
and they were losing the war because they did not understand.
And I don't actually let me just this is where this is my opinion.
I think that they did understand that they were not competing
with guerrilla warfare because they were they had spent
however much time observing the French fight and lose
on American money, guerrilla warfare.
So I think that they knew very well what they were doing.
My personal opinion is that Vietnam was used as a test ground
because they wanted to see what they could accomplish
with a million different things.
And by that, I mean to to affect human behavior
to what does it look like when we go into a place
and we obliterate it and we want to rebuild it in the way
that we want to rebuild it.
So and this is something that James William Gibson talks about
in his interview, Alternative Views.
That was a show that he says we were going from rural to city.
So I would ask people, does this sound familiar to you?
Because it should because we have talked about the body of things,
the Internet of Things, smart cities.
You hear people say they want to hurt us into smart cities.
So wouldn't this be really interesting if this is exactly
what they were trying to do in Vietnam for the tech at the time
to to build back better to great reset this country?
That's exactly what they did and they wanted to change it
and turn it into a commercial society.
They wanted them driving cars, you know, whatever cars
we imported there, they wanted them having televisions
and and things like that.
So I feel like it was a testing ground, not only for turning them
into a consumer society and making it a city and making it
a surveillance state, but for that plus a million other things.
And I think that they were testing out their psychological warfare
techniques and human behavior.
I think that they and we can get into this more.
But I think really that Operation Phoenix was a maybe an
offshoot or a continuance of Operation Gladio, which all
of that was seen by William Colby, the director of the CIA.
So getting back to JFK, though, at a point, he saw that they were losing.
And we know that this was a very long conflict and it was long and drawn out.
So this was, let's say, so JFK was killed 11, 22, 63.
And it was actually earlier in that exact same month that he
started making changes in the CIA.
So some of the officers that were stationed in Vietnam, he wanted them gone
and he wanted DM that puppet that had been installed by the CIA.
He wanted him gone as well.
And then as we know, later that month, he would end up getting assassinated.
Now, do I think that that is why JFK was assassinated?
I have no idea.
I think it's a really complicated subject.
And I think a lot of people have good input on who would have wanted
to take him out and likely it was a combination of maybe a lot of different
intelligence and maybe the mafia.
I don't know. And I want to be clear about that.
But I just I mean, yeah, another.
Well, I know people like to lionize JFK and
first deep state hit, everything changed after JFK.
Well, I'm of the view and I, you know, it might piss off.
Might trigger some people.
JFK was no fucking scene.
I mean, he was a serial philanthroper.
They had mob ties.
His whole family had mob ties just like Lincoln Lincoln got taken out for sure.
But he was a fucking tyrant as well.
So it's very similar in that regard.
And one thing that gets overlooked with JFK in Vietnam is that
during his his tenure, I think the CIA had like 900 agents or so.
And then during his tenure, it ballooned up to 20,000.
So this whole idea that he was anti-Vietnam War and all this bullshit
is kind of a myth when you really look at it, it actually fucking expanded
under his administration.
So maybe you may disagree with that.
But I think, you know, to say that
he, you know, Vietnam was probably one of the things that got him killed.
I don't think he was completely opposed to it.
Like this is I think that's a myth.
He helped push it, maybe not as much as they wanted it,
but he was an innocent as well.
And that's just my take on it.
No, I'm I agree with you 100 percent.
I think that this happened under his watch.
And I think that what this is the other thing is I am not 100 percent
sure how he truly felt about it or what his motivations were exactly.
And I don't want to tell people that I think this is why he was taken out.
I think it's interesting that in the month of early in November of 1963,
that he was making changes in intelligence in CIA and that they had
been trying to sell him on increasing the troops in Vietnam.
But I agree that I really don't think that's why he was taken out.
And yes, he absolutely supported it because he was part of this.
You know, it was happening under his watch.
Yeah, I mean, and I'm not going to get into this too much.
But anyone that's followed me for a while,
you guys know, I do a lot of moon landing show.
To me, the moon landings were a distraction from all the fucking bullshit
happening in Vietnam, all the atrocities that were happening on the regular.
Oh, we're just going to land on the moon and we're going to play golf.
And it's all fucking bullshit distractions.
Look at the shiny object.
We're on the fucking moon.
Meanwhile, a lot of these young kids got thrown into the motherfucking
meat grinder in Vietnam.
All these Vietnamese innocent civilians that were labeled as communist
fucking killed in brutal ways, the women raped in brutal ways.
But it was OK because we're rooting out communism.
That was the dark fucking shit that was happening.
Meanwhile, everyone was distracted with a motherfucker going to space
and landed on the moon allegedly.
That's one hundred percent people don't fucking talk about one hundred percent.
And this is something that this is it is really so upsetting
because the amount of people Americans that were sent there to die
because of the cavalier way that they were treated literally as bait.
They wanted them in some cases to go on a night mission and explore.
OK, but a lot of times and they're referred to as like the military
managers or war managers in a perfect war in the book.
And that was this is another point of his that is really important.
I think because this is where we see a transition maybe from how people
think about war or how war is conducted to this.
This is now being set up like a corporation almost.
It is moving to a business point of view.
OK, so yes, we do have a lot of war gaming happening and a lot of theorizing
about X, Y and Z and moves that we're making.
But this began being looked at from a business perspective.
Not that business was not an important element, just like what
Weezy was saying earlier.
The money kept flowing.
Right.
We know that during World War Two.
We know that people were getting rich off of that.
But this was a change in how they managed, I think, their their soldiers.
So often the ground soldiers were referred to as grunts.
And this was because they were considered to be expendable.
And after a time, they realized that or maybe they always realized it.
But but by the end, they were getting absolutely fed up.
And and we can get into that a little bit.
Bragging and shit.
Yeah, bragging. Yes.
Yeah, it's that was that was one of the biggest things that I realized
that they would send a squad, like you said, go do night raids.
But in reality, what they were doing was let's let's use them as bait, essentially.
Let's go out.
They're going to get attacked once they get attacked.
Then we're going to fucking carpet bomb the fucking area.
So in our reality, those motherfuckers that were drying out, sent the missions to dry out.
They they did not give a fuck about them.
They were just another fucking number.
That's it. And they also had basically a body counts that they had to do.
And so if they didn't reach a quota of these bodies.
Guess what? No sleep for you tonight, motherfuckers.
Go back out, go back out and have some more fucking bodies.
And this is the dark mental shit that a lot of people didn't know.
I didn't fucking know about it until I really started going down deep this week.
It's really atrocious.
It's it's really fucked up.
Yeah. And it's easy to forget that when I'm right here, I'm in a gated community.
Great neighborhood.
Everyone does their yards.
Everyone's happy, quote, unquote.
And now I'm learning about this shit, this dark fucking side to what we call
American exceptionalism, what it is to be a fucking patriot.
Now when I hear someone being a proud patriot, I was at Walmart today.
This old man gets on the microphone.
He's like, I want to give a shout out to all the veterans and shit.
I understand his sentiment.
But fuck patriotism because patriotism is just propaganda to volunteer to do
these fucking night raids to be put in that motherfucking meat grinder
at the end of the day.
So fuck your patriotism.
I understand your heart is a good place and I ain't trying to shit
on people that have served, but you are being brainwashed.
And that's why my stance on patriotism is fuck that shit.
Yeah, if I can chime in on that and I agree, I don't want anyone to think
that I'm trying to to take, you know, to to punch on, I don't know.
I lose my words here.
But basically, I don't want anybody to think that I'm trying to shit on bets.
OK, that is not what is happening here, but I echoed that sentiment as well.
And I have a small anecdote to add to that.
So recently there's something there's a program here in the States
that's called an honor flight.
OK, so this is a basically a charity.
And what they do is within that region, they accepted missions
of vets that they want to honor.
And it's called one last mission for an honor flight.
So what they do is every vet has a guardian.
So a member of friend or family who's escorting them.
And what they are able to do is take a flight that day to D.C.
And they tour all the war monuments, so they also are able to meet people
in their area that are not only geographically close to them,
but oftentimes a lot of other veterans for whatever war that they were a part of.
OK, so my grandfather was part of this.
And I volunteered at the essentially what was the orientation.
And I saw a lot of vets coming in and I see these guys.
They were identified by the word that they fought in.
And I was seeing a lot of Vietnam vets, you know, and this this really bothered me.
Some of the guys were Purple Heart recipients.
And to notate that or to honor them, they gave them a purple
lay, a plastic lay necklace that was purple.
And I know that they were trying to do something nice for these guys.
And my grandfather did it and he had amazing day.
He felt honored.
He felt that he was treated very, very well.
And I was very happy for that.
But on the other hand, I couldn't help but wonder the guys that I was seeing,
the guys that could barely walk, the guys that seemed to have
so much grief in their body, on their face.
What did they have to see?
Who did they lose?
And what did they have to participate in that has never left them to this day?
And yet we're giving you a purple lay.
It just felt.
I was conflicted by that, you know, and yeah.
It's kind of like when I've been to 9 11.
Um, ground zero and these, uh, government run little kiosks are selling.
We never forget 9 11 motherfuckers.
You did it.
And now you're selling me a fucking hat.
The fuck out of here with this shit.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it feels perverse.
It feels not good, you know.
And so, yeah, I agree.
And and here's the other thing that I do not want to neglect the fact
to talk about not only were these people treated as bait,
not only were they considered completely expendable.
The at a point, the war managers has had decided that they had already
had enough of like a college educated people killed.
So who do you think was there?
It was the working class.
It was the blue collar.
It was minorities and it was rural poor white people.
That is who was expendable to them.
And that is very upsetting to me.
Treating these people like they mean nothing.
And that's exactly what happened.
And the other thing that I want to say is in this, what I was saying
as far as looking at it from a business perspective, they actually
had something called an index efficiency score.
So this stuck out to me as well, because this seemed like a prototype
for even like a social credit score.
But essentially this was a rubric that these companies were kept.
So your body count was very important and something that he talks about
in his in the videos that Weezy was talking about that we watched
is that people would fight over body parts because it was that important
to say that you had this body count.
And the reason for this was, first of all, depending on if it was
like the Navy or if it was air or if it was ground, a lot of times
they would throw body counts to the Navy or to the air patrol.
Because those people, it was important to them as well.
And if you didn't, then there could potentially be life or death
consequences if they held a grudge against you, the war or the grunts.
So maybe we don't respond as quickly to your company
if you didn't give us part of our body count.
And so they would do this over body parts.
They would do this if they find graves.
They would try to find prisoners of war and they had essentially
what was a debit and credit type system for their index efficiency.
And he talks about this in the book.
American lives should have been a debit, but only sometimes
was it considered a debit, not always.
And so the main focus for these people, for the war managers,
for the people at the top, for the people that were safe, was body count.
And part of that was due to the ideology that they could bankrupt
the enemy, the other, the foreign other, that they could bankrupt them
and that they could wear them out.
So as long as we're killing 10 of them for every American, then we're winning.
So that was the other thing is their their designation of what was a win
and what was a loss. OK.
So I think that that's really important.
And the other thing that I want to talk about is conscription. OK.
So we know that in the Vietnam War, that people were drafted
into this war against their will.
Now, us as regular civilians, we have no idea who's who
unless you have an actual conversation with these people, like of them
joining of their will or people that were conscripted.
But it was approximately I've seen varying numbers,
but basically two million fighting
age men were conscripted into this war, to this limited war,
which is really incredible.
And let me ask you this, because it is that in the curve, pretty much.
Yes. Yes. Bullshit.
100 percent.
And actually, I'm so glad that you brought up the COVID narrative
because not only was this, you know, like Gladio, Phoenix,
strategy of tension, strategy of terror
important to the fear aspect, but the perverse incentives was used here.
Now, I'm sure this is not the only example, but we saw or we were told
that hospitals were perversely incentivized to diagnose you with COVID.
They even changed the the diagnostic
requirements to be able to just look at you and say that you had COVID
and that they would get money for that.
They would get money for maybe a PCR test.
We know the PCR tests are alive per Kerry Mullis.
We know that those could also be manipulated.
We know that they manipulated who was considered vaccinated and who wasn't.
We know that they would give people room to severe.
We know that they would incubate or intubate people.
Excuse me. And for all of these levels
that they could be very heavily financially incentivized.
And this was the same thing in Vietnam in this index efficiency.
People were able to use this as their way to try to move up
and maybe move up to safety, maybe move up for more money.
Like, who knows what their motivation was.
But essentially, it was easy to move up at first.
And then after that, there was a very limited amount of positions that could be had.
So there was very heavy competition for being able to move up
and move into a different position.
So that was part of establishing a record that we have now
of perverse incentives for people to lie, for people to kill innocent people
because they needed body count.
And then that also circles back to the fact
that the that our guys were used as bait.
And and this is also talked about in the book.
Not only is this that you're going on a night mission
and something may happen to you, this is them knowing them,
having information and knowing that it was dangerous for you.
And I'm not telling you, even though I'm in a leadership role
because I'm fine with you getting blown up.
Yeah, one of the more troubling things that I learned this week
was how the grunts of people on the ground, the people that got fucked up
and were sent into the meat grinder, they were there with their captains.
And that was about it.
All the overhead, all the Brigadier Generals, the fucking Generals,
all this fucking shit, they would be watching what was going on.
But they were 1500 feet up in the fucking air.
Why 1500 feet?
Because that is the range of a fucking bullet.
It goes 1500, 1500 feet up in the air, and then it goes back down.
That's exactly right.
These motherfuckers, it was like a video game to these fucking elites,
these overheads, watching this shit, like, oh, shit.
Those motherfuckers got fucked up and who the fuck knows.
They were probably enjoying it the whole time.
Um, they they were completely out of harm's way.
And meanwhile, the grunts, the people that were expendable, quote, unquote,
got sent down and fucked up, man.
And then I mean, real quick, Dick Cheney,
that evil fucking scumbag died this week.
He was a draft dodger.
He didn't go to Vietnam, but he didn't have no motherfucking problems
and sending motherfuckers into Iraq and Afghanistan.
Exactly. Zero fucking issue.
But that motherfucker pushed out when it was his turn.
These fucking scumbags each and every time.
Every time, every time.
And it's really upsetting to hear, like, if you start getting into
some of the stories and some of the testimony of some of these guys,
it is, um, it's really sad, you know, even it was that long ago,
but there are a lot of Vietnam vets that are still around.
And, um, somebody had commented and I don't want to neglect the fact
that this was not only was this a testing ground for a lot of different things.
This was a testing ground for chemical warfare.
So they were spraying napalm.
They were using Agent Orange and this was indiscriminate.
They did not care if it was the Vietnam, the Vietnamese people
that were affected by that or if it was American soldiers
that were affected.
And we know that so many of them came back after being exposed to Agent Orange
with all kinds of health problems.
And this is never mind the what they were referring to as a post Vietnam syndrome
as from the mental aspects of what they saw and how they essentially
had no care in coming back.
No.
And I don't even know how much care would make a difference
after what they went through, but they didn't have anything.
They just, there was nothing.
They just were, they just came back and like what Weezy was saying,
if you didn't meet your quota, if you didn't get your body count,
they had no problem in sending you right back out there.
So some of these guys were out here for a year.
And, um, this is also in regards to getting towards the end of the war
when people, especially this is something the author talks about
in one of those videos that the, um, because the interviewers
asked him how much or how important the anti-war movement was to them.
And he said, I don't know that it was or wasn't that it may have been
impactful to them, but that wasn't something that they often talked about.
But some of the other issues that were happening back home when we're
talking about the, um, the civil rights movement and the black
power and the black Panthers, because a lot of the, uh, the black guys
that were, uh, also there against their will, didn't want to be there.
This is leading up to sort of this revolt.
And back to what, uh, Weezy was talking about as far as
fragging that they, they decided to, uh, kill their commander
because they had had enough and they were trying to revolt.
And, and you had high levels of suicide as well, which was
fragging for those that are maybe not familiar with what fragging
it was.
So it fragging was basically a particular type of grenade
and they would just take it, activate it, and they would throw
it at their, um, their commanding officer and their commanding officer.
Think about that.
This is how pissed off, um, and war weary.
A lot of these soldiers got their life.
Fuck this motherfucker.
He doesn't give a fuck about us.
Let's take his ass out.
Yes.
And some of the, the, I think the civil rights movement and
like the, the awareness or the bringing to the forefront, the
issues of race and, and things like that seemed at least to the
author, they seem to be important and that people were
realizing how they were being treated.
And they probably were the whole time, but this is when I
think if you are in that position, if you are deployed
against your will and you're seeing all these atrocities
and, and you know that you're, you're treated with
such little disregard, the amount of, um, fatigue, the
amount of hopelessness that you must feel in order to
frag your commanding officer is really, really incredible.
And they were fatigued.
They were exhausted from this and they were tired of
being treated this way.
And, um, there were some suicides as well.
And I was thinking about this today.
It was like, it's, it is like being in prison, but it's
worse than prison in some ways, worse than slavery,
because for the people that were, and I don't mean to
minimize slavery.
I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that you, you were
enslaved because you were conscripted to be there
against your will.
You're in a foreign country and you're being treated
like nothing that you could be blown to bits at any minute.
You were, you were forced to be there.
And then on top of that, once people, the American
public started getting war fatigue, you came back
and you were treated like shit.
So you were treated by shit by the fucking
government that sent your ass over there and put
you in the fucking meat grinder.
Then you come back and everyone was like, fuck you.
You fucking, you, you wore criminal bitch.
I didn't even want to be there.
You're like, you know, that would be a fucking
difficult spot to be in.
You didn't want to be there.
You were forced to be there.
Then you come back and you're looked at scum
because finally the people started waking up and
started, uh, revolting.
One of the, I mean, what comes to mind is, uh,
Muhammad Ali, Muhammad Ali dodged the draft
and he was asked why he was a draft that they
were trying to shame him for not wanting to go to
Vietnam. It's like, why am I going to shoot
some motherfucking Vietnamesees?
They got no fucking issue with me.
They never did anything to me.
Yeah, they didn't do shit to me.
Why the fuck am I going over there?
And for someone that high profile, like, God damn,
that shit, that shit, that shit hits.
He's like, fuck you and your wars.
And that's my attitude today.
You know, when I was younger,
I was entertaining going into the Marines.
I, you know, I was like, I'm going to, I'm going
to go to the Marines.
I want to serve my country.
That's some bad ass shit.
And the more I thought about it, I was like.
And this is this is young, wheezy, man.
You know, I was I was in my teens.
I was like 19.
I remember this because I was really thinking
about going to the Marines right after high school.
And I thought about it.
I'm like, you know what?
I couldn't shoot someone.
I couldn't kill someone.
Because my government is telling me that dude is the bad guy.
That other dude, who I shoot at and who's shooting at me,
his government is telling them that I'm the fucking bad guy.
What if I'm wrong?
What if I'm the fucking bad guy?
And so I was like, nah, fuck that shit.
So young me, that's why I didn't go to the fucking Marines.
I was that fucking close.
A lot of people don't realize I was very fucking close
to joining the Marines.
And when I thought about it, thought about it,
like I can't pull the trigger on no motherfucker.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't have the heart to kill anyone.
Because they're probably getting told the same shit
that I'm getting told.
Yes. So it's.
I wasn't.
I wouldn't say I was anti-war at the time,
but that's just the way my my brain processed it.
I was like, I can't do that.
I can't pull that fucking trigger on a human being.
And now, all these years later, I'm the same fucking way.
I could never do that.
And so fuck all governments, fuck our regimes,
fuck all this warmongering that they're always pushing on us
with these false flags, with these bullshit events
to get us excited to go into fucking these never ending wars
that only fatten the pockets of these big cats in Wall Street.
Meanwhile, the average person like you and I
we get sent down to the meat grinder to fuck all that shit.
One hundred percent and something that I was thinking about
when you were talking about this.
So you're you're in high school when you're thinking, first of all,
that's pretty good forethought for a young guy to think.
I don't think I could actually shoot somebody.
And what if I'm in the wrong?
Things like this, a lot of times young kids don't think about that.
And I thought about it as well when I was in high school.
I didn't think I had what it took, but I had considered it.
And this is something that I want to point out is that in so we know
as far as like the deliberate dumbing down of America
that the Rockefellers had interest in creating good workers,
not not good thinkers, not critical thinkers, right?
So we know that we sort of had this infiltration
in in this interest in dumbing down the American population.
But here's something else.
The military actively recruits in high school.
So you go to lunch at school and you have a couple of military guys
that are setting up at a little table trying to recruit you.
And where are they going?
Right. So I lived in an area with high poverty
and they were often in our lunchroom.
So this and I don't have all the numbers exactly.
But I'm just wondering, where do they go?
Where do these recruiters go?
Do you think that they're going to the wealthy, affluent private schools?
No, they're going to poor impoverished areas
because the system is a predator and you are the prey.
You, as a 17 year old, as a 16 year old, as an 18 year old,
you are who they want.
And for people that can't afford college, for people that may feel
that they don't have anything else going for them, that they don't have money,
that they don't have a future or a plan for their future,
then maybe that looks good to them.
Maybe some security, maybe some GI bill is enough incentive for them
to go into it.
And certainly you're sold on a bill of goods.
You're sold on all those things.
And what do you get?
You get the meat grinder.
Yeah, yeah, I'm vehemently anti-war these days.
Blake called in last week and this is what he says.
Dr. Blake, he's a supporter of the show as well.
But I will never forgive my government, my countrymen and my colleagues
for convincing me to damn near sell my soul as a soul.
Sure.
And almost succeeding.
Luckily, I figured it out before that happened.
Yeah, I think a lot of people are waking up.
A lot of people are becoming anti-war because.
You're realizing you're getting propagandized.
The government is telling you to hate those motherfuckers.
They want you to hate the Chinese.
They want you to hate the Russians.
They want you to hate the others.
It's always the others.
Meanwhile, these quote unquote others in their respective countries
are getting told the same fucking thing by their government
and leaders about us, that the Americans are the bad guys, blah, blah,
we're all getting brainwashed.
It's one world government already.
I talked about it the other day.
Covid-19 to me was the biggest evidence of that shit.
The way our enemies like China, like Russia, the way they handle
Covid, exactly the same fucking way.
Us little, the regular folk in our respective countries,
it doesn't matter if it's Russia or China, we're getting told
the same fucking shit by our overhead.
Fuck those guys, those are the bad guys, we're the good guys.
Now get in line, put on your boots and head into that meat grinder head first.
And unfortunately, a lot of people will lace up those boots.
Unfortunately, some people just don't put two and two together.
For me, it was age.
Now that I'm older, I'm like, fuck that shit.
I told you I was in Walmart today.
I heard this old gentleman on the intercom.
You know, give him praise to the troops and shit like that.
I get the sentiment, but fuck all that shit.
Fuck all that shit, vehemently.
You know, it may sound sacrilegious to some, but this is why it's all fucking
propaganda to do the government's dirty deeds.
Fuck all that shit.
I am vehemently 100 percent against that.
Yeah, I obviously, I agree with that 100 percent and it is a challenge to see
that type of rhetoric because you know that the people, the vets that they're
thinking that they were considered expendable by the people who stayed safe,
by the people who kept making money off the backs of the regular
person that they sent over there.
So I think that as far as the basic, the basic, the basic,
overview of things that I wanted to talk about in regards to Vietnam.
So I want to be very clear, this is not even close to all of it.
I'm sure that I left some things out or missed some things, but just
some basics about that situation in general, I wanted to cover because I
think it's really important in, for a lot of reasons, like what we're
talking about today, as far as like these patterns that were established
here or patterns that were being repeated that we still see happening and
then these connections for all of these people all the way up still to this day.
Can I say one thing that, that kind of bothers me in a way, you know, I
remember growing up as a kid and hearing some Vietnam vets talking about
the gooks in Vietnam and they really had this visceral hate for Asian folks.
I didn't understand it as a kid.
It's like, what the fuck, you know?
And not that I condone it, but yeah, the fucking hell that they were put
through and shit like that, I get it.
But now that I'm older and I've processed so much of this shit,
okay, you're mad because gorilla attacks, you're in their fucking land and
they're defending it and they did a hell of a fucking job because when we went
in there, we thought technology, we had so much more money than the Vietnamese.
We had so much more technology and the motherfucking Vietnamese like,
fuck you, get the fuck out of here.
And in a weird way, I got, I got respect for that shit.
Because they fucking, they defended their shit.
Like the Native Americans, you know, try to do like, get the fuck out of here.
We don't want you here.
Get the fuck out of here.
And that little point may sound controversial to some people.
But when I process it, I think about they were fucking fighting for their.
We get told about the 50,000 plus American soldiers that died that got killed.
How many Vietnamese died through the Phoenix program alone?
We only hear, we hear numbers from 20 to 40,000.
That's 20 to 40,000 is the number there.
They don't even know.
There's a 20,000 discrepancy number that in that 20,000 could have been someone's mom.
Could have been someone's kid, someone's daughter.
20,000 body count and discrepancy, 20,000 to 40,000 Vietnamese,
just the Phoenix program alone.
That's not including the fucking hand-to-hand combat, the fucking,
the napalm fucking fire bombs that they plowed through.
Easily a couple million Vietnamese died and that rarely ever gets talked about.
Yes.
And I wanted to talk about because one little known fact
that you won't hear too many places or in regards to Vietnam is the Americans dropped
7.5 million bombs in Vietnam, 7.5 million fucking bombs in Vietnam.
That to put it in perspective, that is three times more the amount
than all of the allies combined in World War II.
I just said that process that for a minute, 7.5 million bombs dropped in Vietnam.
Yeah.
And could I just more than the allies combined?
That is a staggering fucking figure that you won't hear too many people ever talk about.
Yes.
And that's a great point.
I'm glad that you brought that up.
And it is the total that we have is approximately 3.1 million Vietnamese deaths.
Okay.
So this is something that I also find very disturbing because we have other
events in history that are talked about very, very often.
And that is considered like the cornerstone of atrocity, the cornerstone of genocide,
the cornerstone of the worst things that can happen.
This should be talked about.
This should be talked about, but it's not.
Nobody ever talks about that 3 million.
They don't talk about 2 million soldiers being conscripted against their will either.
And the other point that the author makes is in regards to what you're saying as far as
the bombs, he talks about this.
He's like, so they're saying that they wanted to what?
Protect the South Vietnam from communism.
And yet they destroyed it.
They burned it down.
They cleared out the countryside.
They displaced these people from their homes, from their lands.
10 million Vietnamese lost their homes.
They destroyed it.
What are you protecting if it's completely, it's rubble?
Go ahead.
It's very reminiscent to what's going on in the present day.
That's it.
Yes, we're going to we're going to destroy Gaza.
We're going to level it.
We're going to put a Trump tower in Gaza.
Fuck all the people already living there.
Fuck all them.
They're expendable.
Who gives a fuck?
Yeah, it's the same shit.
I suppose I didn't even plan on it, man.
But I suppose as we're going through this, the same shit different era.
100 percent.
It's repeat, man.
Repeat it like your name.
Think change and repeat.
Yes.
War crime, PSYOP, repeat.
And I also didn't really put it together until we were, you know,
I was like preparing for this episode and I was thinking,
this is exactly what they're doing in Gaza, literally.
Now, one thing that's slightly different is that they are,
there has been so much footage of that.
There was a false flag incident to kick it off, just like the Gulf of Tonkin.
We have Hamas flying in on kites and whatever.
And then bombed them back to the Stone Ages.
And this is exactly what they did in Vietnam.
And in the name of protecting the country from communism.
So I think that that's a really important point.
And it is something that has occurred to me just this week
and going over this material that this is on display right now.
As we speak, yeah.
Well, and I also wanted to chime in that the Vietnam War was cast
as the first televised war in modern times.
But it was also heavily propagandized.
And it took a while.
It took a while before the public started to say, hey, what the fuck?
You guys are showing this, that we're making all these gains and gains.
But my mother fucking cousin just came back.
And he's talking about the demoralization of all the fucking troops.
So what I'm seeing on the fucking TV does not correlate with reality.
In a much lesser extent, COVID.
You guys are telling me that all these cases and COVID is going to do this
and do that.
Meanwhile, I'm out here in Florida and nothing's fucking happening.
Again, same shit.
Different fucking era.
The fucking psychological operations these motherfuckers play on us.
It is just it's the same shit over and over.
It's the same thing.
Yep.
And that is one thing that I do want to bring up is that this was also coinciding when.
So it was the 70s when the information came out about MKUltra, when the idea of the mentoring
candidate, when the New York Times article came out that was saying the CIA used,
I don't know, more drugs than they led us to believe or something to that effect.
It was basically very much underplaying the mind control and MKUltra programs that the
CIA was involved in.
And this was part of what was happening in Vietnam as well.
And so that was something that I want to make sure that we talk about.
And Weezy said Operation Phoenix, which is really an important piece of this whole thing.
And I apologize if you tuned in only for Operation Phoenix, but I wanted to lay some groundwork.
But essentially.
Hold on, Ashley.
Ashley and I, this is going to be part one.
We're going to be doing a part two where we focus balls deep into
the Phoenix program or Operation Phoenix as it's more commonly.
The official name is the Phoenix program.
That's the official name.
We're going to go into it, but we'll give you a little flavor right now, you know,
we'll put the tip in, if you will, rhetorically speaking.
But I definitely want to do a part two because
um, yeah, it's important.
The Phoenix program is something that blew my mind away.
So give us a little, little flavor into what the Phoenix program was, how it was initiated,
what kind of shit was done, and how it relates to the modern era.
If you, if you don't mind.
Yes, for sure.
So I want to read, I have a couple of notes here and then a little bit of a hot mess.
Let me see if I can find that.
Okay, I may have to find it later.
But what I wanted to point out in the book, Operation Mind Control, he talks about essentially
that, so this is one of the premier books that starts talking about the subject of mind control.
And he talks about the black, oh here we go, I found it.
So he, he says,
Vietnam vets who had been conditioned in the black science of the war of torture,
terror, and technology were debriefed with special attention.
Their memories were so completely erased before they were returned to civilian life with
only the minimum fragmented knowledge of who they were or what they had done.
So this is really important, I think, because on the nights earlier,
we're talking about just starting to get into the subject of mind control.
And we know that MK Ultra is only one subset of that.
And it took place in, in a million different forms.
But I think it's very important to point out that these types of techniques and the
psychological warfare and this type of manipulation was actively utilized in Vietnam.
And we also have some connections.
And I was telling Weezy that Dave McGowan talks about and mentions Operation
Phoenix quite a bit in Program to Kill.
And we know that Program to Kill, the other part of that title is
The Politics of Serial Murder.
Okay. A lot of people that are evaluating the serial killer narrative or even perhaps
the school shooter narrative, they often say this is Operation Gladio.
This is a strategy of tension.
My argument would actually be that this is Operation Phoenix.
What I believe to be a continuation but a ramping up of Gladio.
So the CIA director, William Colby, oversaw and was involved in Operation Gladio over in Europe.
And then he also was part of and still overseeing the CIA whenever he,
whenever Operation Phoenix was destroyed.
And essentially what it has said about Operation Phoenix is that this was a
war of, wait, I have a note somewhere.
I wanted to get this right.
Bear with me just one second.
I don't know where my note is.
But basically this was a terror war.
Okay. What this was was a war on people that were supporting the Viet Cong,
the villagers that were supporting Viet Cong, whether that was through supplies or information
this was to terrorize them.
This was all bets are off.
This is all any egregious thing that you can think of to do to another human being.
You are allowed to do that.
Anything.
And so one thing that has been talked about is what was potential
mind control used on some of the U.S. soldiers in order to get them to be able to commit these
atrocities.
And I think that that's possible.
And we do have an example from Program to Kill.
Oh, here's my note, if I may, Weezy.
As Doug Valentine revealed in the Phoenix program,
which was the torture and terror program by the CIA,
the Phoenix teams consisted of U.S. Navy SEALs working with CTs described by one participant
as a combination of ARVN deserters, which is the Army of the Republic of Vietnam.
So the Republic of Vietnam deserters, VC turncoats, which is the Viet Cong and bad
motherfucker criminals, the South Vietnamese couldn't deal with in prison.
So they turned them over to us.
So one of the things that is discussed by Douglas Valentine
is the fact that
that these people, some of them had to absolutely be sadists, that they enjoyed this,
that the torture that they did.
So I think that there's probably a few different people,
a few different types of people in the camp who are carrying out these operations.
And as Weezy said, there was at least 20,000 Vietnamese people that were killed
by Operation Phoenix alone.
And this is a really important point.
So where this is mentioned in Program to Kill was actually in regards to Otis Tull,
who was a friend, a companion of Henry Lee Lucas, one of the serial killers.
So this was like, there's a chapter on both of them.
And then it continues to say,
the Spooks were only too happy to employ the services of the men
who taught their SEAL comrades the secrets of the Cy War campaign.
So depraved were the agency recruits that some of them would actually
devour the enemy's vital organs.
And McGowan goes on to say, as he does,
all in a day's work for America's premier intelligence agency.
So I think that that is a really interesting tie-in with Program to Kill,
because that is part of the whole thing with what Dave McGowan's thesis on these people are,
is that either they are patsies,
the people that were described to us as serial killers,
they were either patsies, mind controlled to do it,
or they were patsies and didn't do it at all.
So I think that that's a really interesting tie-in,
and it is still prevalent and important to this day,
because I think that we know that these techniques were used here,
but so that it was specifically to make people afraid to support the Viet Cong.
It was, we will do anything.
The other thing that I wanted to point out that was really important
is that search and destroy was an important theme in Vietnam, right?
So that was before Operation Phoenix, okay?
So I want to establish that this wasn't just all of a sudden
we have Operation Phoenix and now things get horrible.
It already was horrible.
There already was times when they had to, you know,
that they killed everybody in the village,
or sometimes they would empty out the village
and then they would just burn everything down,
or there were times when they, quote, kill anything that moves.
That includes their animals, their chickens, their water buffalo.
That is everybody and everything in the entire village.
So this is something that Valentine talks about,
that the military was already using this type of programming
or this type of procedure or operations to an extent.
And then the way that he came about being able to discuss
Operation Phoenix with the people that he was able to discuss it with
is because he got the back and forth.
So he was able to speak with William Colby
and the people that William Colby recommended,
and they provided the official narrative about what Operation Phoenix was.
And of course, their perspective was not that this was atrocities
and war crimes and we should be burning in hell right now.
This was like the government narrative.
This is why we did it.
We wanted to break connection and conversation and help for the Viet Cong.
Then he spoke to this guy, Tully,
who had previously been kind of involved in these operations,
but his operations were overtaken by CIA.
So he was upset.
So he was willing to tell Douglas Valentine
a little bit more of the truth of this.
So this search and destroy these terror campaigns were being used,
but it transformed more towards CIA control for Operation Phoenix
or the Phoenix program and was co-opted by the CIA.
And then we see that they used specialized people
and people that had specialized training
in order to commit these atrocities.
And then they picked up some of these ragtag people
to add to that as well.
So the search and destroy had been happening.
Now, something that I want to talk about
is I've seen some conflicting information about the MyLine massacre.
So this took place in March of 1968.
This was presented to us as an isolated incident.
It's one of the most famous that if you're going to know
about the search and destroy and some of these atrocities,
this is one that a lot of people are going to know about.
And it was presented to us as an isolated incident
that we had a whistleblower and they were telling the truth.
What actually happened was that this company
that carried out the MyLine massacre was told
to kill anything that moves.
And that does not matter if this is a baby,
if this is a child, if this is a woman,
if this is an old man, if this is an old woman.
That is anything and everything and everyone in this village
that never did anything to them.
This is only because we think,
we say that they were helping or supporting the Viet Cong.
And that's it.
And they killed them all.
And so this ended up getting out to the public,
but really they had a fall guy
and he ended up only getting house arrest
and then even got out of that.
So no one, this is another pattern that is repeated
over and over and over Syop war crime repeat
is that no one is ever held accountable
who actually made the decision,
who actually gave the go-ahead to do that.
And if these people, even if they didn't believe it
and they wanted to go against their commanding officer,
what was going to happen to them if they didn't listen?
Yeah, and a somewhat famous name
when you think of the MyLine massacre is Seymour Hirsch.
Seymour Hirsch in recent times was the one
that the Nord Stream pipeline was bullshit.
There are people that have questions about Seymour Hirsch.
Is he one of these controlled opposition puppets?
I don't know how I feel about him anymore.
I do question anyone that's up there in those ranks.
I don't care if you're a Clint Russell or a Seymour Hirsch,
like, why are you getting all this attention?
Like, well, you know, maybe they're playing the role
and they don't even realize they're being used
for a certain extent or narrative.
Yeah, I got questions, but I mean, it is,
I thought it was interesting that Seymour Hirsch is
fucking old school.
His work goes back to Vietnam.
Vietnam.
And here he is in the Nord Stream pipeline calling bullshit on that.
So yeah, just a little interesting tidbit that I thought I'd chime in.
Yeah, I agree.
I love it.
And it's almost like in every conversation that I have,
I need to figure out how Seven Seas makes his map
and I need to start making my own map,
because these people, it goes on and on and on.
I mean, it is tied in.
Yes, they're all tied in.
So one thing that I wanted to.
Are you going to do your damn podcast, Ashley?
Well, we'll talk about it.
We'll talk about it.
You got to do you know, I like your style.
So you'll be all right.
Thank you so much.
I love talking to you.
And I think we talked about this.
We have a lot of overlapping interests and a lot of our kind of takes
about the authority structure really aligned with what we're seeing.
And I do think that we try to look at things
from outside the box.
So we're presented with information
and then we try to use whatever else we know
and use that as the lens with which we view the information that we're told, right?
So we know sometimes it is, I saw this somewhere,
I don't know, maybe in the chat at some point,
about limited hangouts or these people that maybe shills or whatever they said,
eat the fruit, spit out the seeds.
And I think that that is important,
especially when we're trying to get into a historical perspective
and learn how these things are really connected.
We need to be understanding the source.
And thank you all so much for these very lovely compliments
and tuning in.
I really appreciate it.
Keep on coming in the comments
because Ashley likes to see that shit.
No, I throw it back to Weezy.
Weezy was like, I do this for the accolades.
Fuck yeah.
No, but Ashley truly like,
so we talked this off the air.
I don't want to get into any specifics, but when I asked you to come on,
I asked you what subject you wanted to talk to talk to me about.
You brought up Vietnam that immediately intrigued me.
I was like, God damn, I've never done a fucking Vietnam show.
And then I asked you for your links and you sent me some YouTube links.
Like, I don't want this shit.
I want your damn links.
Right.
Where can people find you?
And I was surprised.
I'm going to tell you this straight up.
I was surprised you didn't have your own podcast.
You know a lot of shit.
You have a very soothing voice.
And you formulate your opinions in a very digestible way.
And it is out of the box.
It is unorthodox.
And maybe I like that because I feel I'm the same way.
So I enjoy that.
So I told you, you know, if you don't have a fucking podcast,
I'm going to help you start your own damn podcast.
So stay tuned.
We're going to do part two.
And hopefully by part two, she has her podcast.
And then I want you motherfuckers to follow it because she knows her shit, man.
And we need to support each other.
I was telling you, Ashley, that when I started my shit,
I didn't think anyone was going to listen.
And now I've got a few thousand people that listen.
I hate calling people followers.
They're my friends.
Most of them are my friends.
The motherfuckers that talk shit, you guys are followers.
I was actually going to ask you.
I wanted to ask you how you how you handle that, you know,
does it bother you?
But we don't know at the beginning.
Yeah, it doesn't bother me.
Like honestly, if you're going to, that's the thing,
Ashley, if you want a podcast, you got to handle it the way I handle it.
And it may sound egotistical.
It may sound crazy, but it's the best way to handle it.
If you take, you got a motherfucker that has no profile picture.
His name is I asked for a living.
And he's out there in the live chat talking to shit,
talking about your mom, talking about this, like mad shit.
And if you read that and you take it to heart, maybe this isn't for you.
I'm being straight up with you.
I read some stupid motherfuckers saying that and it makes me like,
I'll talk shit right back.
I'm like, bitch, that's not what your mom said.
You know what I mean?
I talked shit right.
It legitimately doesn't do anything to me.
I have fun with it.
I don't care.
It doesn't like so if anyone says that,
anything about me, whatever, I'll fucking roll with it.
Motherfucker.
And then it cracks me up when I talk shit back.
Some of these guys start trying to like, oh, man,
I didn't know you were going to be like that wheezy.
What the fuck?
My bitch, you should have kept your fucking mouth shut then, bitch.
You hit me and I'm going to hit you back twice as hard.
That's my policy.
Talk all the shit you want.
But don't be surprised when I hit you with the kitchen sink.
And that's the way I view it.
Now, I don't expect you to be this way.
But you just got to learn people on the Internet.
They get a little brave when they're anonymous
and their name is not showing.
They talk all kinds of shit.
They're going to say all these things that in real life,
if they were in front of you, they would never say.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
So they anonymity kind of gives people red bull.
It gives them wings to talk shit.
Yeah, it makes them a little too fresh.
A little too familiar.
That's the only thing I tell you.
Don't take what anyone says.
Don't fucking pay it.
No mind.
I don't pay it any mind.
I don't give a fuck.
I think that's I think that's a good, a good approach.
And I will say that here's another thing.
Actually, other people take the approach
of just not reading the comments at all.
Because and I think they take that approach
because they know they probably don't have
that thick of skin and they know if they read something
that may come across as hurtful, that might hurt them.
So for them, for them, the best course of action
is just not reading them.
You know what I'm saying?
I can respect that because but at the same time,
I'm not that way.
I'm the motherfucker.
I'm going to talk shit right back to you.
If you talk shit to me, I'm going to talk shit
right back to you.
So everyone's made different.
So you just got to choose
what works best for you.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And I think to be a good podcaster and like what you do
to grow your show, you have to be very consistent
and dedicated to always showing up.
And then there's a lot of other like back end work
that that people don't maybe know about
or think about, right?
As far as like uploading, making your graphics,
uploading your episodes, putting them out there
to the.
Thank you, Terry.
Thank you.
No, sure.
Dalmas.
Thank you guys.
You got a little fan.
We got to get you the podcast.
Ashley.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
See, I was surprised.
Like I thought you had your own show already.
And so when you didn't send me later like damn,
we're going to be popping some rhetorical
cherries, if you will.
And we lost them.
Don't take that that way.
But I think it's awesome because I think
you do have.
I'm going to tell you this because I know
when other people have told me this,
when I was starting my show,
I had someone like Brian fucking Harvey
saying you got you got what it fucking
takes to do a podcast.
I had people that I respected tell me
that I had what it takes and it meant
that gave me boost that gave me something.
So I ain't no one.
I'm just a fucking garbage man.
I say that every week.
But I'm going to tell you, Ashley,
I think you got what it takes to have
your own show and I would I would
highly encourage you to do it for sure.
Well, I appreciate it.
And as you know, I appreciate that very much.
And in a group dynamic, it can be really,
really good.
However, sometimes you do, you know,
you're kind of agreeing on a subject,
but sometimes there's other things
that you do want to kind of go do a
deep dive in or discuss or cover.
That is you can't always get there or
not until later in kind of a group
setting.
So there's definitely a benefit to that.
And I have thought about it,
but then there's some other like the
back end work as far as graphics and
uploading and all that stuff.
And I'm like, I don't know if I could
do that a lot.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
It's a lot of work for sure.
I'm more than help.
I'm more than happy to help you out
with anything that I can.
But it is a lot of work.
And you got to keep at it.
My little lovely missy.
She's in the live chat.
Yes.
I'm going through a lot of shit.
And yeah, that's going to that's going
to change very soon.
And yeah, it definitely helps out quite a bit.
Getting because it is a lot.
It is a lot to deal with on your own.
You got to do the thumbnails.
You got to do the show descriptions.
You got to do so much fucking shit.
Yeah, there's a lot if you got.
Yeah, if you got a job,
if you got a full-time job on top of that,
it's it's almost hard to juggle.
You know what I'm saying?
And he can get overwhelming.
So if you get a little help,
it definitely makes things a lot easier for sure.
For sure.
And I do think about that because you're so consistent
with putting out your content so consistent
while working a full-time job.
And it's definitely not easy.
And yes, I did want to say to to Ronnie Omlitz
and my other people who showed up here from Knights.
I really appreciate you all.
Thank you so much.
And you shouted out Missy.
And I wanted to say that every time when I was coming in,
just in the chat, Missy always was greeting me.
She was always so nice to me.
Still is.
But I have to say that I really appreciate that so much.
And yes, she's always here.
So it's always great to see her.
Yeah.
Been the best mod in the game for five, six years now,
at this point.
That's awesome.
And always been like that.
Welcomes everyone, makes everyone feel at home.
This is why we have these live chats that are always popping.
Yes.
In the YouTube days, when we had hundreds upon hundreds of people
in the live chat, boom, same shit, same energy.
And one of these days, I'm going to do a show on her because yeah,
she she she wasn't like that.
But she loved my show more than anyone.
And that was that was awesome.
You know, because I did the show.
Not knowing what the fuck was going to happen.
Now you have someone that loves everything you do,
everything you put out, every fucking show I put out, boom,
she's there, there, there.
It matters so much to have people that support you and like your work.
Yeah.
Look at you.
Actually, you got you got Ronnie Omelette showing up.
You got people that support you.
No, Sherdam is Terry.
Yeah, I appreciate y'all so much.
That's badass right there.
So you I guess what I'm trying to get at you have a little base to work on.
And so you have I think you have something you have something going for you.
It's just going to be it's really going to come down to you.
How much energy and input you want to put into it?
I put so much fucking work into this.
See a lot of people it's finally growing after fucking six years.
I grew immediately like boom, I fucking skyrocketed.
I went on YouTube.
I was on pace to 10,000 subscribers in my first year on YouTube, which is which is fucking bananas.
Yeah.
Anyone that's that has their little favorite YouTubers or whatever that are
not big and corporate mainstream motherfuckers.
You've probably been following someone that for years, many, many years,
and they probably have 500 subs, maybe 2000 subs, 3000 subs.
I was on pace to 10,000 fucking subs on my first incredible.
Crazy live streams with 600 people.
It was insane.
And I I was dropping an F bomb every two seconds.
And maybe that played a role in getting kicked out.
I was so ghetto.
I didn't I didn't know what the fuck was happening.
I was just.
And it means it's from those days you can attest to that.
But then I skyrocketed and then I hit rock bottom.
I got canceled off of YouTube.
And it was almost like starting all over.
And I didn't know if I'm going to do it again.
Yeah, it's hard.
All right.
What the fuck, man?
I built all this shit up and now I'm starting at ground zero.
And it takes a special mindset to get through that.
It also takes a special someone like missing.
But I just said, you have what it takes.
Yes, to support you keep pushing.
And Carl and so sorry.
We just wanted to shout out Carl and Hannah because they
were in the chat in the nights today.
And then they're over here.
So very nice to see you.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, he's been following me for a long time.
So for a while now and it's awesome.
Like the thing Carl is going to call in, you know what?
Carl, I well, I should have.
I shouldn't have jumped ahead, actually.
I think we're done with our part one Vietnam segment.
Maybe we can invite people to share any any more Vietnam related
chat or anything you wanted to you guys wanted to add in
because we're going to do a part two where we're going
to go into the Phoenix program in detail.
We'll do a part two at some point.
We'll get after after the show, actually, and do that.
But Carl called in last week, I believe.
Good dude.
He's from the UK.
Awesome.
And Carl, I'm going to put the stream yard in the
I'm going to put the stream yard.
Anyone is welcome.
If you are on Odyssey and you are watching right now
and you want to call in, go to my rumble channel.
And while you're doing that, Weezy, you're good.
If I if I hang out with you two and stay on the chat,
I'm kicking you out.
Okay, cool.
You hell.
Yeah, I want you to fucking hang out.
But I also don't want to keep you hostage.
Like if you need a if you need a bone out, you need a bone out.
Don't worry about it.
I I ain't going to get offended either way.
I would love for you to be here and hang out.
Yeah, I want to I want to say I may take just a quick break.
But yeah, I would love to and I would I want to chat
with anyone that calls in and hear from here from y'all.
And the other thing I would like to say is if you do have
important stories, personal stories, links, book recommendations
for me in regards to this topic, please feel free to share them.
And you can find me on Weezy is going to share my links,
but you can find me on Twitter.
You can email me at think, change, repeat a Gmail
and feel free to reach out.
I would love to hear from you.
And I also feel free to block any fucking weirdos.
Yeah, yeah.
That's not a pass to be a fucking weirdo.
This is I don't know.
I don't want to speak for you, Ashley, but you are a woman.
And yeah, don't make it weird.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, dudes, y'all can be fucking weird.
So don't be fucking weird.
Like if you got some sincere and legitimate recommendations,
fucking send them out.
But don't be fucking sending stupid ass emails.
Yeah, some of my friends, the people that I've met
in the chat over on nights in the storm,
I've had emails from those guys,
and everybody has been absolutely amazing to me.
And I really appreciate it.
And I like chatting with them and hearing from them
and hearing what they think.
That's the other thing.
There's so much to learn from the chat.
People know so much.
And what I was going to say, too,
is that I really care about getting this right.
And I really care about learning the whole picture
in as much as I possibly can.
And I'm going to save this for next time.
But I think that Wheezy will really like this,
that there is a connection to Phoenix, PTK, and Michael Aquino,
or Michael Aquino.
So I'll leave that little nugget there.
Is it Michael Aquino, the author of
the Cross and the Sacred Mushroom?
He is the one that was an acolyte of Anton LaVe
for the Church of Satan.
And then he started the Temple of Sett.
He was a Vietnam veteran.
And then he came back and he was working
in the offices of psychological operations.
And he's implicated in Dave McGowan, his coverage,
not specifically Dave, but in the Presidio Child Harm Ring.
Oh, you can say it.
You can say it on here.
The pedophile ring involved in Presidio and the military base.
Fuckin' hell, Ashley.
I had no idea of any other shit you just said,
the Anton LaVe.
The only time I've ever heard Michael Aquino
was when I used to listen to Joe Rogan
religiously.
He would constantly talk about Michael Aquino's book,
the Cross and the Sacred Mushroom.
Basically talking about how I haven't read the book.
I wanted to read the book just to see what the fuck was
all this hype about from Joe Rogan.
Because I was a Joe Rogan fan at one point, you know,
this was when I was a Joe Rogan fan.
But the sacred cross and the mushroom.
Some shit.
Maybe I'm getting it back and forth the cross
or the bits of mushroom.
One of those motherfuckers and the other motherfucker.
I can't remember exactly the name.
But basic, essentially, from what I understand,
I haven't read the book.
But based on listening to Joe Rogan for hundreds and hundreds
of if not thousands of fucking hours,
he would often talk about Mr. Aquino's book
and how I guess the premise in that book
is how psychedelics shape the world.
How, you know, in the Old Testament,
Moses is talking to a burning bush.
And according to Mr. Aquino,
based on that book is oh, he was probably on psychedelics.
That's why he was talking to a fucking bush and shit like that.
I had no motherfucking idea this dude was balls deep
and other nefarious shit, like Anton LeVay and all that.
God damn, you just so I'm not my world.
I'm not sure the mushroom in the same.
So I looked it up and it looks like that is they're
saying John Allegro.
And there's also Michael Colin.
Damn it.
There's also Michael Pollan that was involved in some of that.
Yeah, Michael Allegro.
Yeah.
So that was a different guy.
However, let me just read this quick.
My bad.
I just got a fact check by Ashley.
No, I don't know why that name just popped into my fucking head.
I know I know.
And Aquino is talked about or Aquino.
I'm not unsure of the pronunciation,
but a lot of people and I'm sure that Joe Rogan has talked about him
because he is implicated in the Presidio.
However, he was also working on psychological operations
and he was allowed to continue with impunity.
Dana Duda talks about him a good amount.
So this is from PTK.
And this is what Dave had to say.
And I'm not really going to show.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to show with you and Dana Duda to females.
She I mean, honestly, the information.
Yeah, she's cool.
Shit, man.
Yeah, it's if you don't mind it like we'll get together.
We'll do a show and it'll be a show with fucking girl power.
I know some motherfuckers will probably be like, oh, that's woke.
I don't give a fuck.
Fuck your woke.
We'll have girl power.
But my show, I've said it over and over.
I don't want no motherfucking echo chambers.
I'll talk to people that are different.
I'll do shows that are different.
I ain't going to do shows like everyone fucking else.
My shit's going to be different.
I don't give a fuck if you don't like it.
Don't listen to it.
That's my that's my policy.
So hell yeah.
And the things that she has come up with are
and reported on and the connections made between
Scientology process, Elron Hubbard, like all of this.
It's really mind blowing.
And let me just read this quick blip from PTK.
So Dave McGowan is talking about that Michael Aquino or Aquino
joined the Church of Satan upon his return from Vietnam
where he was a psychological warfare specialist,
which very likely means he served as part of the Phoenix program.
So I thought that that was a really amazing connection
that Dave McGowan made.
And there's so much more to dig into with Dave McGowan's work
and his talking or his discussion of Operation Phoenix.
It's mentioned several times in the in PTK.
And like I said before, he had made the connection with Otis tool
or excuse me Otis tool and the Phoenix teams as well.
So I think that it's just a topic that you could have so
you could go so in depth.
There's so much to talk about there.
So I thought that you would enjoy that little nugget about McGowan,
Aquino and Phoenix.
Yeah, yeah.
And David McGowan, as I've said over and over on my show,
is that he's someone that I look up to.
I know he's been gone for 10 years at this point.
He died in 2015.
And I have a little show.
And ever since I discovered Dave McGowan's work,
I don't know what it was.
If I'm being honest, I just felt drawn to him.
And I was like, I'm going to carry his torch.
So whenever you hear me say it, like this is in my shit.
This is David McGowan's.
This is the most I feel like it's my duty to do so.
You can't say I'm kissing ass to David McGowan because he's dead.
Whose ass am I going to kiss?
He's not going to get me on an old goddamn show.
He ain't going to do nothing for me.
He's dead.
He's been dead for 10 years.
I'm doing it because I feel that's the right thing to do.
He's the one that did that work.
He's the one that changed my way of looking at shit.
And I'm going to try to carry the torch the best that I can.
And I think you know what I'm talking about.
But one gentleman.
Let me know that David McGowan's brother has.
I don't know if he regularly does or whatever, but has at the very least
tuned into my show.
He has listened to my takes on the Lincoln assassination and says, yeah.
Amazing.
My brother would have vibed with that.
That to me is the ultimate compliment that I could receive.
I've mentioned this in the past, but I've had dreams of meeting David McGowan.
Like this is how much of a hardcore fan that I've become of David McGowan.
I had a couple of dreams.
I had one dream.
You know how most of the time when you wake up and if you don't write
down your dreams, you forget about them, right?
Well, these dreams, but no, they're ingrained in my head.
One of those dreams.
I woke up and in my dream, I was in this like 1970s home.
They had wood floors, wood, wood siding and shit.
I went up to the second floor and David McGowan was writing books.
And he had white hair, even though in real life, like when he died,
he didn't have white hair.
But in my dream, he had white hair.
He had the same David McGowan face, but he had white hair.
He was writing books and shit.
And I was like, dude, this is so fucking awesome to meet you.
And in my dream, I knew he was dead.
I knew he was dead.
And I was talking to him, but you know how dreams don't make sense?
That's what it was like.
I knew he was dead, but I was still hanging out with David McGowan.
And obviously, what I'm talking about right now is like, what the fuck?
How can you be talking to someone who's dead?
It made sense in my fucking dream.
And so I'm sitting there talking to David McGowan and McGowan's like,
he goes, yeah, man, your Lincoln shit is on point and shit like that.
I'm like, God damn, dude, David McGowan is telling me my shit is on point.
And like I said, most of the time you forget your dreams like immediately.
Now, I still remember that because for whatever reason, that shit was special to me.
It was just a fucking dream, but it was special to me.
And so, yeah, I believe in the importance of dreams.
And here's something that I think is interesting in conversation.
Oh, and I also want to say thank you to my friend, Wizard, because
he has helped me work through a lot of my presentation, a lot of the stuff
that we wanted to talk about because I cared about doing a good job today.
I wanted to have good conversation, good coverage, and talk about things that mattered.
And he has helped me and supported me so very much.
So I want to say thank you so much to him.
But one of the things that we talked about in our conversations,
as far as like mind control or MK or what they were doing to people in Vietnam,
is that one of the rubs that they never could get right with their mind control is dreams.
So I think that that's a really interesting thing.
So people would even be remembering things in dreams.
And then I've had other people, other friends tell me that they saw a loved one in their dream
that was so happy that they had a baby and they weren't even pregnant yet,
or a family member had these dreams.
So I think that dreams sometimes can just be you processing,
but I think sometimes dreams are actually very important.
And maybe this was a message for you that you are on the right path,
that you are doing something that matters, that matters to you,
and it matters to getting out a message and doing work that you care about.
And I think that's amazing.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not trying to be funny.
I don't know what to make of that.
Last week, I did a show on the Epic of Gilgamesh.
I didn't know if anyone was going to be listening to that.
We only had like 30 people in the live stream,
but it ended up getting well over a thousand.
Like I think last I checked 1500 downloads on rumble,
a thousand on Spotify and whatnot.
I mean, it got a lot of shit, even though I didn't expect it to.
But one of the recurrent themes in the Epic of Gilgamesh was the importance of dreams.
Now, if the tale of what we've been told that the Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest story
told in human history,
even superseding the Bible, that is wild because in the Epic of Gilgamesh,
before Nkudu is born or made, if you will, Gilgamesh's mother tells him,
look, there's a motherfucker that's going to be coming into this world.
So catch my show that I did.
I got a lot of great feedback.
Gilgamesh was as big as 16 foot, dude, super strong, super badass, serial rapist.
But his mom says there's a dude that's going to come
to you and he's going to be your equal because he was so much bigger than everyone.
He thought he could bully everyone.
He thought he could rape anyone he wanted.
And Nkudu comes down and says, dude, I'm going to stop your rapist ways.
And Nkudu, like he's like the opposite.
He's the yin and the yang and Nkudu
battles them out.
But his mom had a premonition, had dreams about this shit.
Later on, Nkudu, they go so quick, fast forward, watch, listen to my episode.
I gave the ghetto wheezy rendition of it.
But I listened to it this week.
I did a pretty good job, but it's pretty fucking ghetto.
It's X rated.
But it could do later on.
He's dying.
He's dying and he's having dreams that he's dying.
And I guess the reason I brought that up is because
here is what we are told as the oldest story in humankind and the value they put into dreams.
5,000 years ago, through resonates today, where here I tell you here, I tell you a story
of my dreams of Dave McGowan.
I don't know what to make of it.
I don't know what it means.
You're saying it's this.
I don't know what to fucking make, but the importance of a fucking dream,
a dream that hits hard.
And so these ancients may let's say this the official story is true.
And this story is 5,000 years old.
They're emphasizing dreams.
Yep.
I don't know what it is, but it's fucking wild to me.
It is.
I think it's important.
I mean, maybe not always, but I think a lot of times they are.
And I like even using that as an example that even in mind control,
where they have had an opportunity to hypnotize and do anything that they
wanted to people abuse them in any kind of way, drug them.
They cannot get rid of the dreams.
I think that that matters.
I think that's an important piece of information for us.
Yeah.
I stopped dreaming when I started snoring.
Yeah.
And I guess scientifically it makes sense because I'm not getting any oxygen in my head.
Right.
Because it's and it's affecting your like your depth of sleep and things like that.
But I mean, this is kind of personal, but I don't give a fuck.
I started using a machine, a CPAP machine, which normally old people use and
and by golly, it has brought back my dreams.
I'm no longer snoring.
And it's good for my brain.
Like I thought about it.
I'm like, God, I do feel like an old man using this shit, blah, blah, blah.
But I'm like, God, damn, I was killing myself.
You don't realize it.
But when you're snoring, you're killing yours.
You're dying.
You need to breathe.
You need to be able to breathe.
You need to breathe.
And if you're not breathing, you're snoring like, God, damn.
And so I got this CPAP machine.
I was embarrassed.
Getting it at first, but now I've been using it for almost a year.
And I'm like, God, that's that works wonders.
And now my dreams have come back.
I'm starting to dream again.
I'm like, damn, this is badass.
So that was a good, that was a good move because I didn't have dreams for many years.
And people would tell me, oh, man, I had a nightmare.
I wish I had a fucking nightmare.
I wasn't having dreams because I was snoring so bad.
I didn't have anything nightmares or dreams, nothing.
I was just dying.
I was killing my brain cells.
And so anyone that is able to dream like treasure that, that is a gift.
And it's an amazing gift.
This is true.
I had a weird dream the other night and I normally don't dream that much either.
And I used to ingest a lot of THC and that will affect your ability to dream or whatever.
I didn't really dream during, and that's one of the things that it does prevent your dreaming
or getting to that level of sleep.
And I don't really do that very much.
Not that I never do, not whatever, but I don't do it much anymore.
And I thought that my dreams would kind of come back and, you know, but I don't,
I still don't really remember my dreams all that often every now and again.
Oh, sorry.
I said, yeah, that was.
Yeah, it's.
I don't know what to make of dreams.
I mean, are they divine?
Or is it our brain synapses?
No, sending energy electrodes.
I don't know what to make of any of that shit these days.
I really don't.
It almost seems like you're forced to take aside like your for science or your for creationism.
What if I'm in the zone where I'm like, fuck, both of y'all, I don't know what I'm in.
I'm not that.
I'm not this.
So where do I fit in?
I don't fucking know these.
Yeah, I think it while not to speak for you, but I think it sounds like you are open to
more information.
You're open to changing your mind.
You're open to figuring out what you think.
But I tend to think that it is, especially if it stays with you and it feels impactful
to you and is associated with something that's impactful and important to you in your life.
I tend to think that it is important.
And I know that dreams are not exactly the same as some of the near-death experiences that we hear
about, but I do feel like there's a certain amount of overlap there.
Okay, there are books that are talking about the scientific or the scientific documentation
at least or the verification of near-death experiences and it is a pretty well-known
documented phenomenon.
And I think that it is enough for me to think there's something here.
I'm not, again, I'm not necessarily saying exactly what I think that it is or
from a religious perspective or whatever, but I think that it's important.
And I think there's some overlap to that with dreams because it's a state that you
are outside of yourself.
You're not involved.
You're literally dreaming.
And not exactly in near-death experiences, but I'm just saying I think that maybe that lends
a little bit of credence to both of those things being important and interesting.
Yeah, and this is what, this is my story right here.
Unfortunately people put too much emphasis on labels and feel like they need to pick a side.
Why?
That's a damn good question.
That's where I'm at right now.
That's why I haven't chosen a fucking side.
I don't know where I belong.
Maybe there's no fucking box you can put me in.
And I'm okay with that.
And I don't lose any sleep over that.
I talk to people that are more Republican leaning and they will label me as a Biden
lover as a Democrat.
I'll talk to a Biden supporter or a Kamala Harris supporter and they label me as a Trump supporter.
And my view is fuck all them.
You can't put me on a fucking side.
And so I'm the same way when it comes to science and religion.
You know, you have the people in the science saying you have to,
this is the only way to look at it.
This is reality, blah, blah, blah.
Then you have the religious people saying, no, these texts are blah, blah, blah,
or the real truth.
And I don't trust any of them motherfuckers.
And some people will get triggered by that.
I've gotten comments saying wheezy.
I was with you but you need to accept Jesus or fuck you in your show essentially.
I'm like, all right.
Then I guess fuck me on my show because I ain't picking no motherfucking side.
Um, if if I don't have 100% proof or evidence, why do you expect me to go with it?
You know, I, you, I'm going to feel the way I feel about shit.
I'm going to think about shit the way I think about it.
But because it doesn't fit in your little box that you think
you're going to fucking cast judgment upon me, then fuck you.
Leave your one star and get the fuck out of here.
Yeah, I mean, personally, I do agree with that comment and I think that it's weird.
I think that if you are for the truth and your anti-imperialism,
like from a government level, like what we've just been talking about, or if you are, um,
on the path to try to figure things out, or if you are on, if you consider yourself
an agorist or an anarchist, then where do you get off trying to tell someone else
how they have to be? That is counterintuitive for the entire narrative.
And even if you, if you were subscribed to a particular religion or whatever that may be,
then I respect that.
You know, I'm totally fine with that.
But everybody is on their own path and you can make a supportive comment to them.
But if you think that ragging on someone and telling them that they need X,
Y, and Z is going to help your cause, I don't think that it is.
And I think that it's weird if people try to do that, especially in,
you know, whatever this space is called, alternative media, truth, you know,
I got involved in the, I don't either.
And I got involved in this originally because I was an anarchist because I woke up to,
you know, the government and, uh, but then along the way,
you meet people that are on all kinds of the spectrum.
Some people that are more left-leaning, right-leaning, like you said,
some people that still subscribe to politics in a limited way, like,
oh, well, I like Thomas Massey or whatever that may be.
And I like Tucker Carlson because he's dropping troop bombs these days.
Yeah. Tucker is my favorite CIA agent.
He's very good at his job.
Yeah. So we meet people on this huge spectrum of wherever they are.
Now, I also wanted to tell you that on the nights of the storm today,
we had a lady that's in the chat sometimes, but she joined us on this MK Mind Control episode.
And she was talking about basically her judgment or her lens for people.
And she said, if I know your name, you're in the game.
And I thought that that was a pretty good, you know, a pretty good way to say
as far as like who is working for what out there.
And actually, I feel like that aligns pretty well with the graphs and the tweet threads
that Seven Seas puts out because he is taking them down.
He's taking down Tucker. Of course, he's taking down Candace.
He's taking down Massey.
He's taking down Rand Paul and Ron Paul and all of them.
Yeah. So I know there's people that
really, really enjoy my shows with Seven Seas.
That's probably the only time they listen to my ass.
Me and Seven Seas, we're going to be chopping up a show very soon.
How do I say this?
I got to be careful with what I say because I view Seven Seas as my little brother.
And I don't want to put him in any compromising situations.
I love that guy.
But we did a show.
It got like 33,000 views on rumble, which is fucking wow.
That's bananas.
Haven't had really anything go like four shows go that viral in a long fucking time.
And made a little bit of money off of the rumble ads.
I know the rumble ads are annoying as fuck.
Here's the life hack for you guys.
If you guys listen on rumble, get the brave browser and listen to rumble through the brave browser.
It'll block out any ads at the same time.
When you do listen to ads, we creators get a little couple pennies.
It ain't much.
Because of the show that Seven Seas and I did on Nick Fuentes, we got 33,000 views.
I made $40.
People watching the show, the ads, and I sent it to Seven Seas.
I go, here you go, bro.
And he's like, dude, we were going to split this or you didn't have to do it.
We could have split this.
And I was like, no, motherfucker, that's you.
And that's not me.
See, normally I wouldn't have even brought this up because that's not my style.
I'm only bringing it up because
why am I bringing it up?
I think I'm bringing it up because that's my admiration for my little brother Seven Seas.
That's my homie.
Anyone fucks with him.
You're fucking with me.
That's my homie.
He doesn't have to hang out with me.
He doesn't have to like me.
He's a lot bigger in popularity than me.
I'm a fucking no one.
And he likes me a lot.
And I like him a lot in return.
That's my little brother.
And so, you know, I guess that's why I'm bringing up that story.
That's my boy.
Yeah, and you produce good content together.
You know, it's not only just one person, but sometimes having the dynamic
between two people makes it really fun.
One of my favorite podcasts ever is it was two people.
And they ended up going their own separate ways for whatever reasons.
And I still really like both the people, but it never was the same for me after that
because there was something about that particular dynamic that really was so good to me.
It was like my don't miss show.
Yeah, it was amazing.
So I think that that is kind of how when y'all work together, it's just like a good chemistry,
a lot of good information comes out that makes it really interesting and fascinating
and it makes people want to watch.
Yeah, we don't even plan this shit.
We just we play video games and then we're like, hey, let's do a show on this.
All right, let's fucking go.
And see in the I'm going to give a shout out to my boy, Chancellor.
So when I started blowing up on YouTube, it was a Scottish fellow.
He used the cat emoji as his profile picture.
He never showed his face.
Beautiful Scottish voice.
Super intelligent motherfucker.
And me and him brought down Sean Atwood.
We it was it was a combined effort.
I thought me and him were going to really go places.
We got a lot of people's attentions.
We got James English's attention, James English.
For American viewers, you're like, who the fuck is James English?
But for the UK, James English is a big time podcaster.
And James English was tuning in to the shows that me and Chancellor did.
And we had big dreams.
We were going to do shows on this and we are chemistry was on point.
Chancellor and I we fucking we fucked it up.
Unfortunately, he lives in the UK.
He lives in Scotland.
And he was fearing that even though he didn't show his name,
even though he never showed his face,
he was worried that at some point, the authorities were going to knock on his fucking door and
haul us to jail. Yeah, I don't blame him for that, actually.
And we have somebody who is in the Knights of the Storm chat and probably would have
a lot to offer in the way of conversation.
But he's also in Europe and he doesn't feel comfortable either for that very same reason.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's what that that was shitty, because I so I guess tying it in back to seven seas,
seven seas is kind of like for me, at least is a reincarnation of Chancellor.
And I told seven seas that I was like, dude, my boy, Chancellor from Scotland.
Me and him had great fucking chemistry.
Like we became fucking legends in the UK.
Like we never planned anything.
It was just me and him riffing off.
It was like radio talk show host boom, boom, boom,
fucking 100 percent natural.
He's I'm in Florida.
He's in Scotland and we were fucking shit up.
And sometimes that just happens.
And it's so amazing because there's some like unspoken energy,
which is even more impressive considering it's online.
Like sometimes people just have a good back and forth, a good conversation,
a good energy, a good flow in real life or from the same country.
But when we're talking about internet only and different countries to have that
is pretty special.
And it does, you know, sometimes sometimes the the fire happens.
Sometimes magic happens.
Yeah, that's what happened with my boy, Chancellor.
We've stayed in in touch over the years.
This was many years at this point.
We stayed in touch, but that was his biggest fear.
And it's easy for us as Americans to say, oh, don't be a bitch.
Don't be a pussy.
Just do the fucking shows.
It's easy to say that.
But when you have a family, you can face the rest.
You can lose your job over this shit.
It's right.
It is.
And we have to respect that.
And even in the States, we know that we're running that risk.
And we know that it's not nearly as bad as it is in some of the other places.
So yeah, I agree.
We need to respect that and understand that that that is the situation there.
And it's it is serious and it can have serious consequences and implications for you.
And, you know, I think it's that way here.
If if you happen to get a little too popular or if you get some sort of mob
that's, you know, bang for blood, that they'll try to talk to you and expose you
and cancel you and whatever.
I, you know, it's a risk.
Yeah.
That's one of the reasons why I didn't use my real name when I started my show.
I just use Weezy.
I'm at the point, though, where I don't give a fuck.
Maybe at some point, I will say my name.
I mean, the the Weezy name, I've said it before,
but maybe the new listeners don't know.
But it was a name that was given to me when I was in high school.
Okay.
Yeah, I actually didn't know.
Yeah, I just kept it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And because when I was doing the shot, that was shit.
He was sending all these motherfuckers because he had a big channel at the time.
He still has a big channel and he was sending all these motherfuckers.
They were going to uncover me, find out where I live,
and tell my employer and get me fired and blah, blah, blah, all this fucking bullshit.
The thing is where I work.
I'm a garbage man.
Anyone that's dealt with garbage companies, they don't give a fuck.
They don't.
So I never worried about that shit.
Go ahead and tell my employers.
They'll laugh at you, motherfucker.
Like this motherfuckers, the best garbage man in our company.
We don't give a fuck.
All the shit.
All the F bombs he drops his motherfucker.
We tell him to go do this.
He goes and does that.
Right.
And the thing is like a worker.
They wouldn't give a fuck.
Yeah.
And it has no bearing on your work or how you deal with your co-workers or your bosses
or anybody else that you happen to be interacting with.
So it's obviously a silly to be able to be canceled.
But that's what you try to play.
You know what I'm saying?
And he was getting flustered.
And so then he chose the next avenue, which was to cry to YouTube.
And that worked, unfortunately, got me permanently banned.
I don't know.
You know, recently a lot of people that lost their channels got their channels back.
I was alerted about that.
I'm like, oh, I'll apply.
Maybe I'll get my channel back.
And I got a fucking notice from YouTube saying like,
yeah, your channel is fucking permabanned.
You have no chance.
Don't don't ever apply again.
You're fucked.
You can apply to possibly make a new one.
That's what they offered me.
Possibly making me a new one.
I'm only saying that because some people follow me on YouTube.
If you only follow me on YouTube.
You're missing out on a lot of shit.
But on that channel, yeah.
The channel that I have on YouTube is like my fourth fucking channel that I've made.
And I got a thousand fucking subscribers on YouTube,
even though that's my fourth channel, which is not easy to do.
I mean, in like our unknown channel, man, we be grinding
and we never get any traction.
Never, never, never.
So I don't know how I get it.
A thousand is that.
I don't even post shit.
I just post clips and we got like over a thousand at this point.
That what that does as a creator that tells me like, Goddamn, people love my shit.
And that's why I do this fucking shit.
This is why I do the show because y'all motherfuckers love this.
I know some people bitch about my excessive use of f bombs, but fuck you.
This is my show.
I'm going to do shit the way I motherfucking do.
And so, um, yeah, I've been brought down to ashes, canceled from YouTube.
And we still fucking pop up, pop up, pop up.
That tells me that whatever I'm doing is working.
People like resonates.
Yeah, it resonates with people.
Yeah.
And that's why I do it.
I don't do it for no other reason.
I do it for that.
I'm not going to bullshit you.
I do it for the fucking five-star Spotify reviews.
I do do it for that.
I'm not going to bullshit you who I'm going to be.
I'm going to play humble and I'm going to be like, oh, you know,
if you can spare a five-star, oh, fuck that shit.
I do it for the motherfucking five-star reviews.
Well, and I think that that that is one of the things that no matter what you say,
ultimately, people like being recognized for their effort, for their consistency,
for the amount of time and energy that they put into a project that they care about.
They like that.
If I wasn't like, if somebody does give me positive feedback, I really appreciate that.
And I try really hard, you know, all the things.
And it's just like so many other things that in order to be,
and I'm not saying I'm the best at this or anything, not even close,
but I'm saying that the people that are good,
they do have a handful of commonalities.
And they make it look easier than it may actually be to be good.
So you're not, when you're doing a live show, you are not reading from a teleprompter.
This means that you are coming up with organic conversation.
You're trying to remember details from the subject that you're talking about
and have a conversation with another person while people are watching you live,
while you're dealing with tech issues, all these kinds of things.
And you want to be, and the people who are the best at this,
like they do have a good, you know, they have Riz.
They have a stage presence.
They have something about them that presents the information in a good way.
They have, they're well spoken, like in their personality shines through all of these different
things.
So it's really a fine balance to be able to be good at this and do what you're doing
and to grow your audience and to have so many topics that you're talking about
and so many wide-ranging topics, guests covering,
like we talked about this a little bit after the fact last time,
covering stoicism, for example.
And these are actually topics that come up in other self-help or programs that help you do better.
So in autonomy, when I took that, stoicism was one of the first things that we talk about.
So these important things to help people move forward, to lose baggage that may be holding you
back, things to help you change your mindset that is going to make you more successful.
Hello, LT Oracle of Truth.
It's good to see you.
Yeah, I completely vibe with what you just said.
Um, I think I told you that, like earlier on, I had a big motherfucking name is my boy,
Brian Harvey, who made me an intro jam.
He's, he told me, I mean, Brian Harvey, I've mentioned him a bunch of times.
I did a couple of podcasts with him, some of which survived and they're on Spotify,
some of which did not.
When I got deleted off YouTube, they were gone forever.
I did one 11 and a half live stream with Brian Harvey.
I did two eight and a half hour live streams with Brian Harvey.
Brian Harvey, for those that don't know who the fuck Brian Harvey is.
He was the equivalent to like a Justin Timberlake in the UK.
Like he was in a boy band in the nineties sold 22 million CDs.
And when I was blowing up on YouTube, like the UK listeners were living in a live chat,
dude, he listens to you.
I'm like, Oh, who the fuck is Brian Harvey?
I don't know who the fuck brought.
I don't give a fuck.
And then I did research.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
I never in real time.
I never vibed his music.
I didn't know who the fuck he was.
And then we became friends.
This logo right here is what is true TV.
Sometimes people will every now and then say,
that's Brian Harvey's fucking logo.
Motherfucking Brian Harvey made this fucking logo for me.
You stupid son of a bitch.
That's why I'm rocking it.
Brian Harvey designed and made this for me.
That is the most ultimate compliment anyone could get as a creator.
But I've had people like you stole that fucking design and logo from Brian.
Bitch, he made it for me.
You stupid motherfucker.
And that's what people don't understand now.
Now they do.
You're providing us some background.
Now they know.
They can't say they don't know this red, white and the font.
What is true TV?
Brian Harvey designed it for me.
He designed it for me.
I did this last weekend.
And if you don't mind, Ashley, I'm going to play Brian Harvey's little intro.
I take pride in this.
Here's a guy that built that hit the Billboard charts.
And Carl, I'll get you in after I do this.
Brian Harvey made this fucking theme song for me.
How many fucking people can say a Billboard chart top in artists made them an intro?
So let me play this.
It's 35 seconds long.
One second.
Ah, Brian Harvey made me that fucking intro.
That was his vibe.
That was him fucking jamming.
Brian Harvey made me that motherfucking jam.
I mean, how many people can say that?
And that's been one of those trippy ass fucking things of being a creator.
Doing this content.
I'm only saying this because goddamn, the last few months we've been blowing up.
A lot of people have been listening to my shit.
And I don't want people to get it twisted.
It's me.
I know I'm an arrogant motherfucker.
I know I'm kind of cocky and shit.
I know that.
But I'm serious.
When I say this, I mean this with all my heart.
And this is one of the complements.
This is one of the recurring things that I get when people actually do compliment me
and give me props on the show is that they say, you know what, I may not agree with
everything you say, but I know you're fucking sincere.
I know you ain't bullshit.
And I know you're speaking from your heart.
And I take that as the biggest compliment because I don't expect anyone to agree
with anything I fucking say.
But at the very least, I want you to think I'm not or realize that I'm not bullshitting you.
You know what I'm saying?
I may be wrong in what I'm saying and you may think I'm wrong.
Maybe you are correct and I'm fucking dead as wrong.
But at least I'm telling you this from the heart.
And this is part of the reason why I will often put the Streamyard link.
If you disagree with me, if you think I'm full of shit.
Hit the Streamyard link.
Let's discuss it.
And one of these motherfuckers that has agreed to hit the Streamyard link is Mr. Carl.
Carl.
Hey, Carl.
He probably went to sleep.
Carl's name is Carl.
Ashley is a goddess.
It is very nice compliment.
Thank you.
That's fucking Carl.
He's probably taking a shit or something.
I'm sure he'll make up some excuse.
But let's just say the official narrative is he's taking a shit.
So when he comes back, oh, no, I had to take my dog out to take pee.
Bullshit.
You're taking a shit.
You fucking liar.
Anyways.
So Carl is not listening or maybe he is listening.
He's going to come in at full force at some point.
He's going to refute some of these claims that you're making.
Good.
I bring it.
Bring it.
But I don't know.
The ramble that I was trying to make is when people tell me that they enjoy the show.
I enjoy it.
It's great.
It's it's pleasing to my ears because that's why I do it.
I don't do it for no motherfucking monetary gains.
Oh, yeah.
And you're I mean in the alternative space unless you are one of these propped up people,
it's a it's a tough go to try to build up enough to be able to make money from this.
And Carl said he was talking.
Yeah, Carl said he was not talking.
Carl, can you hear me now?
Now we can.
You are cool, man.
Hi, Weezy.
Hi, Ashley.
Hi, life.
Carl.
What's up, Carl?
I was talking away.
I was talking away and I realized you couldn't hear me.
Anyway, nice to see you.
So he was he was refuting your claims in real time, Weezy.
Go ahead and refute me, you bitch-ass-hole.
I'm just kidding.
I say that in a loving way.
Yeah, man.
What's up, Carl?
Thank you for hitting that stream yard.
Yeah, of course.
And the stream yard is in the rumble chat.
Anyone, if anyone wants to call in Secret Squirrels in the live chat, shout out to Secret Squirrel.
She's another one that has been following me from day one when I started blowing up
before anyone knew.
People don't know who the fuck I am to this day.
But I'm just saying even lesser Secret Squirrel follow me when I had like
fucking 200 subscribers on YouTube and then we blew the fuck up.
So shout out to Secret Squirrel, George O'Brien, George 2024 in the live chat.
He's another one.
And of course, Missy, everyone knows that.
But yeah, those are people that that can attest to those days on YouTube when
fucking blew up out of control and started from scratch.
And here we are this the last few months we've been blowing up again.
What the fuck?
And I am humbled by that.
Um, it really does mean the world to me.
Yeah, that's how long I've been listening to your performance.
I brought a few people along with me as well along the way.
And so my feed has completely changed this year.
So including Ashley, you know, I love listening to Ashley.
Just amazing, amazing brain.
Thank you so much.
Yeah.
So I first started seeing you in the nights of the storm chat was I think I may have seen
you here first, but I thought it was the nights of the storm.
But sometimes it's it's hard to keep track.
Keep pro.
Yeah, I started following Jason maybe like two months ago.
So I've only been watching your stream for six to eight weeks.
But loving it.
Thank you.
Really.
You've really said, yeah, all of you have saved me this year.
Back in March, April, I was gasping for air.
But since then, the last six, seven months, I've completely changed my feed.
My top six streamers now are all new.
Seven Seas, Weezy, DeBoomersand, Nights of the Storm, and on and on.
But so I've got that shitty situation right now where my two favorite streamers
are both live at the same time.
So I thought I'd give a quick call in just to say hello.
And because I may dip out in a little bit and go over to Boomers
and, you know, catch up on the replay tomorrow.
I just don't know what to do for the best.
I genuinely love Weezy and Boomer.
So you got to do what you got to do.
So here's what I would do.
Go for it.
But put a picture of Boomer, put a picture of me and see what gets you harder.
That's bad advice.
So let me ask you this before.
And I know that is hard when you because watching your favorite show live hits different,
you know, when you're able to participate with like your friends in the chat,
it really does hit different and it changes the experience a lot versus just listening to,
you know, the restream or to the podcast version of the show.
But before you do go or if you have to go,
can you tell us a little bit about how your feed has changed or like what you,
what changed about what you were listening to or like, how did that occur?
Did you just have new accounts being suggested to you or like your network is changing or what?
Yeah, it's worth maybe going back to the beginning then.
So I had my red pill awakening nearly 20 years ago, 2006.
And that was David Ike, basically.
And so I learned of the 9-11 truths and then esotericism and, you know,
the secret societies and so forth.
I kind of went back into normie life for a few years.
But then sort of 10 years ago, I rediscovered, you know,
the desire to, you know, seek out truth and knowledge.
And then obviously the code that so since when COVID started,
when all that bullshit started in early 2020, since then I must have put in 25,000 hours of
education since then sort of an average of 12 to 13 hours a day for six years, you know,
it adds up.
And so I'm familiar with the full gamut of alternative media, obviously,
and I've pretty much experienced everyone that's around.
My intuition has developed over the years good enough that I could,
I can search people out quickly.
So yes, I did have a quick experience of most people,
but most people I could reject immediately, you know, within seconds sometimes.
But those that did become my favorites over the last five years,
slowly but surely they've shown their true colors, you know.
So I'm talking about the likes of, say, Max Egan and the like, you know.
But and so early, so in the last couple of years, one of the people I was watching was Victor Hugo
Vaca. I did relate to some of the things he was saying, but it's through his comments section
that people started to put links to others. And so it started really with Seven Seas.
Seven months ago, someone linked to his work and through his work I came across
Wheezy four months ago. And also as someone linked to juxtapositions work and through his work,
I came across Boomer. And through Boomer and Wheezy, I've come across others.
So like Jason Barker.
Yeah, man. I was just fucking around with the Boomer shit. I don't want to tell anyone to,
you know, be beholden to anyone. Like you, you got to enjoy what you likes, you know what I'm
saying? You're all different. You're all, you're all excellent. There's no with this. That's the
only way of saying it. So you're all amazing. And, and, and, you know, like that, that means
a lot. But I also recognize that people have different likes, people have different tastes.
I said this last week and you probably caught that Carl, but like there's people that
talk shit because I don't espouse their views or this and that and whatever. I mean,
everyone's different, man. And maybe this is my liberal woke side coming out at times.
But I don't care. Like, you know what I mean? We're all human. We all
have different ways of looking at the world. You know what I mean? Like everything's not black
and white. There are differences, but you're all really good people. I tell you what, Wheezy,
you would get on really well with Boomer. You have got slightly different personalities.
He follows me. I'll probably do a show with him.
There is a seven seas link between you, you know?
You would, you would, you would see it because you, you both see all your super cool.
Seven seas is my little brother, man. I've been saying that over and over again. He's,
he's my little homie. He has hooked me up with some big fucking names. Boomer is not,
I mean, he's like, he's like my size. He's nothing big or major. He seems like a cool
dude. And to be honest with you, I'm not talking shit. It's going to sound like I'm talking shit,
but I wouldn't know. I would have never even heard of Boomer. It wasn't from my boy seven seas.
Seven seas is the one like, Hey, talk to this dude. He seems like a cool dude.
Seven seas is like my little brother, man. Not only has he set me up with like someone
like Boomer, you know, he has set me up with some big motherfucking names
that now follow me on Twitter because fucking seven seas name drop me.
I've been trying to follow these motherfuckers for years and they just viewed me in the background
like, Oh, who's who the fuck is this guy? Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck him. And then seven seas drops me,
name drops me. Now they want to follow me. And now I'm at the point where I don't give a fuck
bitch. Just because seven seas drops me. Now you want to follow me? Fuck you.
That could be a detriment to my personality, but that's the way I look at shit.
Like motherfucker, I try to follow in you and you, you, you try to big league me. Like you were too
good for me, but only because seven seas name drops me now. Now I'm okay to talk to.
I fuck that shit. I don't play that motherfucking game.
My boy seven seas.
We view shit a little different, but I got respect for him because he'll name drop me to help me.
But sometimes I don't accept that help because that's just me. I'm like, fuck that shit.
I tried already. Fuck that. I don't, I'm willing to forgive, but I don't forget, man.
And maybe I know that's a flaw of me, but that's the way I rose.
Well, both you and Boomer have amazing guests. And if you dipped into Boomer's stuff,
it would open a few doors for you. So for example, at this exact moment,
Boomer's talking with someone called Dean from the channel called sound for sound.
And he, he's done some phenomenal work in the last seven months,
digging into chat, the child trafficking scene. And honestly, I look, looking into his stuff,
your eyes would just open up basically through his work. You can, you can see very quickly
who the compromised pedophiles and child traffickers are amongst this alternative media
scene just through the way they present their, their work and, and, and their thumbnails
and artwork. It's quite, it, it's quite sick.
Bro, there, there ain't no, like, I guess one of the biggest talking,
and I'm talking from my own heart, my own soul.
I, I know I've been growing the last few months. I realize that
it's wild to me because I still view myself as a little ass creator. And
I think really the only one that really grasps is, is Missy. Like, I'm like,
I told her everything. And I'm like, God damn, this happened today. This happened today.
And I get surprised with some of the shit that's happening recently.
And how do I formulate this in the best way to say this? It's weird because
I guess deep back in my mind, I still am a nobody, no name, no one knows who the fuck I am.
And I've had to come to the realization that
even a lot of these big names are knowing who the fuck I am now.
And it's weird. It's not me being arrogant.
Even though I make him across, like, it's weird for me. I have a hard time digesting that.
But listen, you don't want to be associated with any of the big names because that's
what I'm trying to get at, bro. This is what I'm trying to get.
So the point of what I was going to say was
I know that's exactly my point right there, Carl, is that I am getting my name is getting
put out there. I didn't expect it. I didn't call for it, but it's happening.
And here I'm talking to this motherfucking Clint Russell, who's got
that shit tons of followers on Twitter who gets mentioned by Dave Smith, Candice Owens.
And Clint Russell is like, I got wheezy over here. Side eye in me.
Yeah, motherfucker, I don't trust you.
So now I'm on this weird. I guess I'm just trying to pour out my thoughts in a digestible
way, Carl. I'm in this weird fucking zone right now where motherfuckers are knowing who the fuck I am now.
They're hearing about me. But in my mind, I'm still a nobody. I'm not trying to sound humble.
I'm not trying to sound anything other than that's how I feel. I'm just a fucking garbage man.
I say that all the time, but I mean that it's not a fucking slogan. It's not a
marketing adventure. I'm just a fucking garbage, man. I just pick a fucking garbage
dumpsters and I fucking dump them and I return them and blah, blah, blah.
That's all I am. And so now that I'm on these platforms, where the motherfucker,
this motherfucker knows me, this motherfucker knows me.
I'm not going to say any names right now. I'm not going to name drop any names, but
this guy that has a big motherfucking following me messaged me on Twitter
and saying, hey, your friends with this person, see if they could have me on their show.
And I got that message. I'm like, what the fuck?
What the fuck? I'm just the garbage man. You got millions of motherfucking followers.
Why are you reaching out to me?
And I guess the point of this rent are always like I'm in agreement with you.
When I personally see someone that is well known as is getting mentioned by these names,
household names and shit, my mind, the way it works is I don't fucking trust you.
And I don't want to fall into that trap either. I don't want to be associated with that fucking crowd.
That's part of the reason why I'm union. I want to like there's motherfuckers here. I don't trust.
I wasn't trying to be funny. I wasn't trying to be famous or, you know, get a get a fucking
a spicy clip or any of that shit. I wasn't trying to do it. That's how I genuinely feel about shit.
The bigger you get, the more compromised the possibilities are.
I've got two things to say. So the number of the number of people you can trust who have
followers more than 50,000 on any of the platforms, you can count on one hand.
They're few and far between. So on rumble, there's one channel called non-vaxxer420 who deals with the
biodigital convergence and the synergy channel. He's got around 50,000 followers. The other
thing to say is that all of these video platforms are the enemy. The internet is the enemy.
We play in their playground. They own all of the playground equipment.
We have no choice but to play on their turf.
None of the best streamers are pushed forward onto the main screens and you're all shadow banned.
All of the people that appear on the main popular screens, they're all compromised.
They're all part of, they're all controlled opposition and a lot of them are actively
involved in child trafficking. There's just no other way of saying that.
You don't want to be associated with them. Now, if this world was fair and a level playing field,
then you would be featured a lot more. You would be put out there to a wider audience.
All we can do as your little community is just share, repost, recommend, like, you know,
big you up and in time it will come. But you're only going to get so far and so successful in this
restricted, compromised, controlled environment. You just be you mate and it will come.
As a collective, like, you know, the time will come when we need to fight.
One of the most important things is that we actually convert these digital friendships into
real world friendships. It's something that I've actively tried to do for the last six years,
but people struggle to extend the trust. It's one of the things I try and promote and really
hope for is that people just try and break down those barriers a little bit and just
just take the chance. Reach out to people. I've made a nice friendship from reaching out.
I've reached out to one or two others, and I know it will take time. I'm willing to travel
anywhere in the world to meet like-minded people. We've got to build communities
because we need to do so. A, to survive and B, to continue our species.
I'm going to at some point go to Manchester
and you know what I'm saying, hang out.
Yeah, it's a shit show that we're what we're going through this point in time with
bad actors or people that are probably not necessarily bad actors, but they're after dollars.
You know what I'm saying? They're the biggest motivation.
But at the same time, I also almost after dollars is like, there's no money in this.
In a way, I can understand that as well. Maybe that is to the chagrin with some people listening,
but I try to look at everything. I try to look at all sides these days.
I listened to the show.
Maybe some people listening will know exactly what I'm talking about, but I'm going to try to be
as secretive with the title. But there was a show that was brought to my attention by my lovely
Missy team about John Wilkes Booth's secret life or some shit like that.
And some of these shows, which are friends of mine's. I've had them on. They've had me on.
Several of these people played this podcast that they did with this guy.
This old guy that was talking about John Wilkes Booth and his secret life.
Obviously, I'm a Lincoln aficionado. I'm a Lincoln researcher or whatever.
But all right, let's see what this guy has to say. I looked on the YouTube video.
The YouTube video had like 200 likes, thousands of views. I'm like, damn, people really enjoyed this
shit. I'm going to give it a listen. 30 minutes in. I'm like, what the fuck 40 minutes in.
I'm like, what the fuck is going on here one hour in? And I'm like, this dude is full of shit.
This motherfucker is making shit up.
He is legitimately pulling shit out of his ass.
So I messaged one of these people that had him on, invited him on. I go, look,
this dude you had on as a fraud. I can prove everything he said was bullshit.
Can't be substantiated by anything. I'll fucking talk some Lincoln on your show. Crickets, crickets, crickets.
So I let a few days go, I let whatever, then some other person with a large following podcast,
he puts it on her podcast format. Then I see another person associated with these people
put the same fucking copy on their podcast format.
And it upset me for a number of different reasons.
One of them is I already told them all this dude is saying is bullshit. He's making it up.
It's not fucking based on any reality and they still went along with it. Why?
Because it got views. It got listens. It got downloads.
And that didn't sit well with me on many levels. You're chasing after clicks,
motherfuckers. You don't care about what fucking is truth. You're after clicks.
And that really upset me, but it is what it is. People will do what the fuck they want to do.
Some people will know exactly the fucking show and the motherfucking guess that I'm talking about.
Some people won't. I'm not going to call them out by names, but yeah, it's a reality of
this shit. Some people will do shit just for clicks and views.
And I think that's why some people gravitate to my show because I don't do that. I'm going to speak
my mind if I get people that listen to the show and criticize me for this, criticize me for that.
I'm going to call them out. I don't give a fuck. Fuck you. You're going to talk shit.
Guess what? You do have the freedom of speech to talk shit about me.
But guess what? Freedom of speech also means I'm going to talk shit right back, motherfucker.
And that's the difference. I don't do it for clicks and views. I do it because I
like to do shit the way I like to do shit. End of story. One of the telltale
I went on a little rant, man. If they've got a flashy studio, high production quality,
good cameras, they're pretty much always compromised, controlled opposition.
Like you're set up there. If you got any flashier, like the red flags would be going mate.
You know what I mean? You just you got to keep it real, like real people with like real setups.
So anyway, I want to mention what you were talking about the other week.
You were mentioning your Odyssey channel and the Sean Atwood situation.
I did. So I took a look into it as soon as you said it.
Okay, Carl, hold up real quick. Sorry, Carl.
Hold that thought. Hold that thought.
I rebbe. I like I rebbe. He's a good dude. But he just made this comment.
Wheezy. Maybe they just didn't know if the guy was legit or not.
Rugg, you know what? I rebbe. I love you, but shrug back on you because you must have missed the
first part of this where I directly messaged the original posters of this motherfucker and told
him this dude is full of shit. Get me on. I will prove to you that this dude is full of shit.
They ignored my request. A few days passed by. No, no response, no response, no response.
And then other people on that show ended up broadcasting it onto their channels.
So shrug is back on you. I rebbe. I already disclosed this. So you may have popped in a
late, but the shrug is back on you. All right. Go on, Carl.
No worries, yeah. So I took a look into your Odyssey channel. I flicked back through your
history, saw that there was five years worth of shit there to go through. Anyway, I came across
your five and a half hour video that you were mentioning on Sean Atwood. And I didn't click
on it because the way I go about, I saw that there was loads of stuff on there. I saw
that you'd basically been trolling in for six months. What I'll be doing is going right back
to the very first thing you ever posted about him and work my way chronologically through.
This is what I did with Seven Seas. When I came across Seven Seas work, I went right back to
the beginning and it took me six weeks to watch all of his stuff. And that's what I'll be
doing. And I'll need to put the same effort in just to cover your Sean Atwood stuff.
That's about 150 hours worth of stuff there. Yeah. I've got 400 or 400 videos on Odyssey.
If you've been following for a while, you know that my average shows are at least two hours
and not longer. Exactly. 400 video 400 and video 400 times 200. Do the math. Yeah.
It's going to take a minute. I might watch the five and a half hour one.
And then I'll go back to the beginning and then I'll go through it chronologically.
And I'll end up watching the five and a half hour one a second time and going through it all.
I'm going to give you the Cliffs Notes, Carl.
Watch some of the Sean Atwood shit that I did at the very beginning.
And then listen to the A to Z, A to Z, as you guys say, in the UK.
Yeah. As the show that we did on Daddygate. Now, remember, did you hear me talk about
Chancellor? I'm familiar with the Daddygate. I was actually watching Sean Atwoods
at the time. You know, I was watching his stuff as he was posting it on YouTube.
He, Chancellor and I exposed that motherfucker. That was a cringe time, wasn't it? Yeah.
He was helping out that lady and then he took advantage of it, didn't he?
Yeah, it was all bullshit, man. It's all fake and gay, just like everything else.
So I'm going to play the fucking.
So it was one of the most epic live podcasts, live interviews of all fucking time.
I did it with Sean Atwoods, Cameraman. Anyone in anyone even remotely familiar with Sean Atwood
will recognize this shit immediately. And
um, okay, let's play it in all this glory. I made a little cut scene to it, but
it's episode number 49. If you want to listen to the entire podcast, it's episode number 49.
At the very end, Sean Cameraman or Sean's cameraman, James Esposito or Esposito in Spanish.
I don't know if it's Italian or Spanish, but a dude comes into the room and snatches
this fucking phone out of his hand. You can hear it. Listen to the audio.
His handler snatches the phone like brava brava. Who are you in the most evil British
fucking voice imaginable? And that became one of the most epic live streams of all time. I know
I was a little creator. I know I had a just a small following, but anyone that tuned in live.
I remember hearing about the shit years later, like, God damn, that was the most epic fucking
live stream of all. Like that you've ever heard you because if you listen to episode number 49
from its entirety, it's calm, it's collected. It's just chill. I'm getting kind of bored
with this motherfucker because he's defending Sean Atwood. But then I started hitting the cameraman
with some gotcha questions. Like I put him on his ass about Sean Atwood. I'm like,
okay, Sean Atwood is so good. Why did he take the role of the pedophile? And then the cameraman gets
all quiet. And he doesn't even know how to answer to that. So I fucking roasted him. It was it
was a dream podcast because here I have Sean Sean Atwood's cameraman on the fucking hot seat.
And he can't wriggle his way out of it. So after an hour of this,
that's when the handler comes in, takes his fucking takes his fucking phone away from
so let's watch this. All right, I just set the scene up for you. If you guys want to
episode number 49, and that's the entire interview, but this is a clip of it.
Yeah. When when Uncle Terrence was there.
And started mentioning the whole deal about
who are all the excuses you are about not giving your back. Who the fuck are you?
Wait, wait a minute. Who the fuck are you? Where are me? Who the fuck are you?
Motherfuckers? Who the fuck are you? Name yourself or I'm gonna hang up on your bitch ass right now.
Name yourself right now, bitch. Name yourself right now, bitch. Name yourself right now, bitch.
Name yourself right now, bitch. You and the other ones that will not fuck you.
Everybody listen to this. Get the fuck out of here.
Oh, that was so fucking legendary, bro.
Okay, we see. I can tell you one thing straight away. Okay. Because I'm British. Okay.
That was a British black bloke that was talking. Yeah, I know.
I was so balls deep in the UK shit. Like, so let me tell you this, Carl,
when I first got into the daddy gate shit, I thought all British people sounded the same.
I couldn't tell, I couldn't tell a fucking Welsh accent from a fucking Jordan accent or Liverpool.
I couldn't fucking tell that at the very beginning. Really? Did you know this, Carl?
I interviewed fucking Patty Conroy. Do you know who Patty Conroy is?
No, I don't actually. Patty Conroy is pretty well known. He's got the pirate.
He's got the fucking eye patch on his eye. He murdered like fucking five people or some shit.
He's kind of fucking famous. But Patty Conroy,
he had a thick fucking Jordy accent, man, like super thick. And I remember,
I remember people in the UK were like, wheezy, what the fuck?
How did you understand? I'm from the UK. I couldn't understand the motherfucker.
I don't know how I did it, but I fucking understood him. I know what he was talking about.
The point is like, yeah, when this guy, when this guy took the microphone from this,
the cameraman, I immediately knew it was a black dude from the UK. Like, I could tell.
This, this is what I'm trying to tell you, Carl. I can tell this shit now
because of my experience from with people from the UK.
This is a fascinating country. We see it's a small country, but there's hundreds of dialects.
And the dialects can change like five miles down the road quite dramatically.
It's phenomenal, really. But some of them really are very thick, like the Jordy accent,
the Scouse accent, which is Liverpool, the Cockney accent in London,
and then like the Welsh accent, the Scottish accent as well.
They've got their own vocabularies as well, but it's so diverse.
And even the fucking the terminology, like I mentioned, I've been talking to Missy for
ages now, like there's some shit she says, I'm like, what the fuck is that?
Like, I never heard it because it's just strictly UK shit.
But now I understand it, you know, when I'm trying to think of like, okay,
early when I was doing YouTube streams,
some dude, most people like me, but there was a dude that came into the lecture like
wheezy is a toss. He's a toss.
And I was, I didn't know what a tosser was, bro. I was like, well, yeah, I'm a tosser.
Fuck yeah, dude. West side. I'm a tosser.
And then later on people in the live chat was like, no wheezy, you're not a tosser.
Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't be proudly saying that.
I'm like, why? What's wrong with being a fucking tosser?
Like, I would toss as someone that jerks off quite a bit. I'm like, oh, well,
actually I do that too, but I didn't realize it was a fucking negative thing.
Yeah, it's like the word wanker. Wanker is just slowly, but surely become a bit
more familiar with Americans. But 20 years ago, Americans wouldn't know what a wanker is.
I've got to go and grab my power leads very shortly because I've got a few minutes left
on my battery. So you have to bear with me in a minute.
No, you're good. Ashley, you've been turning in. What are your thoughts?
Yeah, so I was, I was hoping that you could give a little bit of background on,
so that was the blow up that you had. That was with a debate that you were having with Sean Atwood.
Can you give me a little history on that? Yeah, yeah, no problem. That was,
so I had been, so when I was blowing up on YouTube,
I went from like a couple hundred to thousands of subs because I was doing live streams
talking about how Sean Atwood is a scam. He's a fraud, blah, blah, blah.
And I kept asking him, I go, because I, this is, I, I'm just assuming I don't have any evidence for
this, but I'm assuming he would do a show and then get high on cocaine and then come into my
live streams. I say this because he would come in with his big ass YouTube channel and talk
shit in the live streams like wheezy. I like to get a hand job while I have your podcast on in the
background. He would say shit like that in the live chat. And I'm like, and then people would
click on his, on his thing, be like, this is an imposter. This can't be fucking Sean Atwood.
It was fucking Sean Atwood saying this shit. So we're like, Dan, this dude is probably high
on cocaine. He's doing some shit. Like, he like, what the fuck is he doing? Coming on,
coming on to someone like my stream, I only had a few hundred subs on YouTube. Why is he
fucking popping in? And I would constantly egg him on. I'm like, let's do a fucking,
let's do a live stream, Sean. If you're so innocent, you, you're getting upset of the
shit that I'm accusing you of. Come on, my fucking show. Let's, let's debate it. Let's
have a show on it. He would decline. I remember I called him out. So God damn,
there's so much. This is why I became big because it was so fucking massive. It was almost like a
fucking soap opera in many ways. But God, I feel like I'm skipping forward so much. But at one point
I called Sean Atwood, I go, Hey, so he will say this prostitute that he was banging out with,
and he later built a GoFundMe that ended up earning over 5,000 pounds, 5,000 pounds and
dollars like fucking $8,000. So he built a GoFundMe for this prostitute that he was banging out,
that he had on his show and she was supposedly trafficked and all this bullshit. It was all
bullshit. She was fucking escort. She was a hoe. He became my friend. I have that on my podcast
platform. It's a Cali Diamond interview. Fuck dude, this brings me way back.
Cali Diamond was a high and whole. I don't know what Cali Diamond is up to these days.
I have a, I've said this before and it's not no surprise, but I have a sweet spot for her,
not because she was a hoe or any of that shit, because she tried to flirt with me. She was
trying to, she was trying to get me to fuck up on it so she could use dirt on me and I
never fucking caved. I never caved. I never did anything inappropriate with her, but she was
trying to get me to do shit so that Sean, I would could then use against me. Like, look,
he's fucking around with this, this, this Cali Diamond bitch. I never did anything.
But when I got canceled off for YouTube, the reason I have a sweet spot for her,
when I got canceled off for YouTube, everyone was laughing at me. People were like mocking
me and all this shit Cali Diamond reached out to me and said, Hey man,
keep your head up. You got this. I was talking shit about her for all this time, calling her a
prostitute bitch and all this shit. She didn't have to do that. She could have laughed in my face
and she didn't. So that little gesture for me will always have a sweet spot
in my heart for her as weird as it may sound to other people. But I do have, it's, it's a podcast
that I did with Cali Diamond. I can't remember what number it is, but she's talking about how
that would like to deal those in his ass and all this weird ass shit. She's a prostitute,
so she was being explicit. But now in retrospect, she was probably doing explicit
talking explicitly to get me canceled off for fucking YouTube. You know what I'm saying?
It was probably a setup from the very beginning. So anyways,
why I so I spoke with Sean Atwood's girlfriend, the prostitute Cali Diamond.
The next I was trying to get Sean Atwood, but he kept dodging me kept dodging me.
So the next big get was his cameraman, the guy that records his podcast.
And that's where that clip came from. I interviewed his cameraman.
And it was a massive get Brian Harvey, the guy that made me the fucking intro to him.
He put it on his big ass channel. He had a giant ass channel on YouTube. He had like 50,000 subs on
YouTube. He's like, Hey, everyone, go catch Waze. He's going to be interviewing
James Esposito. Like he did. He put it on his fucking YouTube channel. It was a massive event
to interview Sean Atwood's cameraman. And I fucked him up. And
yeah, sorry, long story. But that's where that little clip came from. So yes, it does. And
I was also going to ask, so you said that Brian Harvey had, did his YouTube channel get
nuked as well? Yeah, when everyone got nuked, I think he has one, but it has like a few thousand
subs. This guy was a guy that sold 22 million CDs at one point. So for someone that big, that famous,
to not only have a YouTube channel with a couple thousand, I don't even think he streams
anymore. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Yeah, Georgia, Brian's in the live chat. He was a
he fought. So the same way people follow me because of seven C's.
Georgia Brian followed me because of Brian Harvey. Georgia Brian would probably have more information
regarding that. So Georgia Brian, leave a long as you or rumble comment on what is Brian Harvey
up to these days. Because I honestly don't know. I am forever grateful that he created
this shit for me. He created the intro jam for me that I used on many episodes.
Yeah, it was humbling for me, you know, to have a friendly relationship. I would talk to Brian
Harvey while I was working. How many motherfuckers can say they talk to someone like that big
while you're working? You know what I mean? Like I'm fucking doing garbage. I'm talking
to Brian Harvey on the phone. You know, it's fucking crazy. It was why it was a wild time.
And like I mentioned, if you look up you or James English right now, he's fucking massive. He's huge.
He's a Scottish podcaster. He at one point was entertaining, having me on and Chancellor on.
He never did. He now ignores me so fucking. But he was tuning into my show at one point.
You know what I'm saying? That's pretty fucking wild in on its own.
So yeah, sorry. Yeah, no, no worries. And this was you were saying during the like early days
of YouTube streaming or like during COVID times when a lot of people started.
That's when talking about the stuff. That's when I started blowing up was early on in COVID
around 2021. And it was on the UK. People in America, no one knew who the fuck I was.
Most 90 percent of the people listening to me was from the UK or Australia, for that matter.
And I became somewhat of a it was wild. It was a wild family like a little celebrity.
I remember people with small YouTube channels would
hey, wheezy, wheezy, do you want to come on my show? I'm like, yeah, I fucking do it.
I know I'm no one special fuck. Yeah, let's do it.
And they were so excited to be there. Be like getting all nervous because I'd be on there.
I'm like, why are you getting nervous? I like I legitimately am a fucking garbage, man.
Fucking settle down like it ain't shit. And then that died down.
And then nowadays, most of my audience is American. I still have a good chunk of UK listeners.
I still have a good chunk of Australian listeners in Canada. Good, good, a good chunk of people,
but it's nowhere the levels it was, you know, as it was once before, if that makes sense.
We see the switched on people in the UK really know where it's at.
You won't find many people like myself in the UK who watch any of the controlled opposition channels.
We'll only watch people that we feel we can trust.
That's one of the strengths of the British people. And it's and it's why we're such good warriors.
We know we know what what it's at and where it's at.
And so my buddy, oh, sorry, Carl, go on. No, please go on, Ashley.
Well, I was just going to say, so one of the guys that is on the unknowns is my buddy, Terry,
and they ended up their expats now. So they moved to the Canary Islands because they just
well, they needed better weather, first of all, but they definitely have during COVID,
even with their friends and family that they were still in touch with, they had a difficult time
because everybody was, you know, they just people were not on the same page as them.
So it's been difficult for them to deal with their people that are still back in the UK.
Because well, the same reason that a lot of times here in the States, we had a hard time,
you know, these subjects were so, you know, they they're so divisive.
So it made it really difficult for people to have things to talk about, or especially during
COVID times, because you would say you would like to have the idea of we're not going to talk about
this. But during COVID, it was just everywhere. It was pervasive, the masses distancing, the
fear of being around your your friends and family. So they really couldn't get away
from that. And they they had a hard time with it.
Yeah. In the UK, you've either got sheeples or seriously switched on people. There's not there's
not a lot of in between. I I moved to Amsterdam in late 2019, just literally a handful of months
before all the nonsense kicked off. I moved there to open an art gallery, bookshop, cafe,
exhibition space, like meeting hub sort of place. But my my dreams were dashed, like Amsterdam
became a ghost town. Me and me and Honey basically had Amsterdam to ourselves largely.
And I returned to the UK three years later. But I didn't partake in any of the stipulations
and mandates to the point where I was put in security guards up against the wall
in the supermarkets. They'd say they'd say put a mask on. I just said, certainly not.
And then like moments later, you'd have a hand on your shoulder. And then moments after that,
someone would be up against the wall. And I and so I do my shopping, I'd get to the till and
they'd say, sorry, we're not going to serve you. And I just emptied all my basket onto the
floor and walked out. That happened multiple times. They shut down all the parks.
Me and Honey actually featured on YouTube several times because we went on all the marches.
We were present when we were getting charged down by horses and police battens.
She was a brave little soldier, my hand. Bless her.
Yeah, it was a dark time. But even when I want to give a shout out to
I just want to say one last thing. When I returned to the UK, that was the first time
I ever had to take anything like a PCR test. And what I did is I opted for the spit
option where you were given a test tube and you spat into it. They sent it off to the lab.
What I did is I went behind. So I went behind the cubicle, drew the curtain,
poured a little bit of soft drink into the test tube and handed it to him.
And it came back negative. Anyway, go ahead.
Sorry. Now, I just want to give a shout out to Mary on G of G's.
She's been following me for a long time and she was in the Odyssey chat saying that she still
listens to this fucking day. The Daddy gate A to Z. She's mentioned to me that when she does
long road trips, like it's a tool because it's like we almost did four hours. It's a four hour
podcast. So when she has to drive like a two hour, three hour, she just puts it on and
fucking jams it down to Mary on. I fucking love you. You've been following me for years and
yeah, shout out to Mary on. That's all I wanted to say.
Well, we give it to Joanna. Joanna. I want to give a shout out to foggy in the live chat there.
Love you loads, mate. A lot of the live chat there. They're familiar faces around on the
best streams. So I'll give Boomer a mention again and then Knights of the Storm and Algorhythm,
who's another excellent channel, a good mixture of tunes, banter and serious chat.
That's a good combo, by the way. We see a little bit of good music. There's another one,
Crimson Veritas, who does like three hours of karaoke and then three hours of serious
chat. If I didn't get dinged with copyright bullshit, can you guys hear any music right now
when I'm talking? You can get away with it a bit more on Rumble though, mate. These are the channels.
The thing is, I post this shit on Spotify and shit and they would not allow it.
But right now, y'all don't even realize it. But I got some fucking gangsta shit playing
in the background. It makes me vibe. If y'all want to know the secret ingredients to dropping
some fire ass shit, have some gangsta shit in the background and just fucking vibe with it,
that's what I'm doing. I'm listening to it. Maybe I'm buzzing a little bit. But I wish I could
play it. If I could play it, y'all would know the shit that I'm fucking vibing right now.
Um, you know what? I'll give you all the title. So you guys, like, what the fuck is wheezy listening
to? It's called to put in Junior H. The name of the song is J U E V E S and the number 10
web is 10. That's just gangsta, man. Listen to the bass, listen to the fucking guitar.
I'm playing that shit right now and I'm vibing with this shit. So yeah, that's probably completely
off subject. Yeah, speaking of music. So Carl brought that up and it is fun. And actually
on nights of the storm, they put together sometimes a name that tune show. And it is a great break
from a lot of the more serious things. And a lot of people have a lot of fun with that.
And I definitely think it's fun to mix it up with music. And this is where I wanted to say that
I, this is how I found wheezy. So, uh, Drizzle does Grand Theft World Liberty Radio. Oh,
shit. Let's hear this. And that is how I found wheezy. So I, um, because Drizzle and I used
to do in a group of other people and sometimes rotating people, uh, we did the WTF forum on
Sunday night and I was, you know, I was listening to his show regularly. So that is how I found wheezy.
Did you hear me drop the hammer on fucking Drizzle on his episode? That's been a while
back. I think I did, but it's been a long time ago. It was on a different show.
Um, the thing is, I don't have to be gossiping, but like I brought, I had Drizzle on my show.
I like them though. I like them. I thought he was legit. I thought he was cool.
And then the motherfucker turned crazy. There's no, there's no other way to put it,
but the motherfucker's mental. Um, you know, I wish him luck in whatever the fuck he's dealing with,
but he's got fucking issues, man. I, I helped him out. I exposed them to other
motherfuckers that would help his ass out and the motherfucker repays me by talking shit about me.
See, I wasn't sure. I, I didn't know about it.
And I, if you like them, that's cool. I'm just telling you my side of the story. Like,
all right, you want to talk shit, but when I help you and you talk shit about me,
maybe that flies with other motherfuckers. That shit don't fly with me, motherfucker.
And so I was like, how dare you? I, I fucking exposed you. I helped you grow.
And now you're talking shit about the hand that feeds you,
bitch. So yeah, I called this ass out on the live stream.
And then people were mad at me. Like, oh, how drizzles a good guy drizzles this and that.
Then a week later, Steve Pochonin pretty much verifies all the bullshit I was talking about.
And I was like, good. See, I didn't have to defend myself. People were talking shit about me
like, oh, wheezy is this, wheezy is aggressive, wheezy. I didn't say nothing. I just let the
motherfuckers keep talking, keep talking motherfuckers. The truth eventually comes out and it did.
And so yeah, when you brought up drizzle, it just brought up those evisceral memories because
I don't like to hate motherfuckers, man, but when I help you out and your way of repaying
me is talking shit. Yeah, I don't sit well with me. It don't sit well with anyone.
Like it'd be one thing if I did something to him and he started talking shit. All right,
you got a point, you know, whatever I got to let it be. But when I helped you and I did nothing
to you and you talk shit, then yeah, it's not gonna sit well with me. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, which, you know, and I understand I didn't know about that, but that is how I originally
came to follow. That's crazy. And that's cool. I guess it worked out in the end.
But I didn't know that I had no idea. And I make I make no qualms with people I beefed with,
whether it's fucking drizzle, whether it's fucking John Colin, I had John Colin on my show,
me and him was beefing. So and people can believe him or them or believe me. I don't
care. I'm just telling you my side, you fucking weigh both sides. See who's telling the truth.
No, I'm fucking telling the truth. That's how fucking put the garbage out there. So I ain't
trying to put no fast one on anyone. Yeah, people are fucking weird. That's thing.
Actually, I know you're thinking about doing your podcast. There's a lot of backstabbing
motherfuckers here. This there's a lot of motherfuckers that are trying to be Joe
Rogan, the next Joe Rogan. If you come into this with that attitude,
my opinion is it's not good. It's not going to work out for you. You just got to be yourself.
That's what I try to be. I ain't trying to be no motherfucking Joe Rogan. I'm just
trying to be my motherfucking self because I dropped two motherfucking f bombs.
I don't give a fuck. This is how I talk in the real world. This is how I am. You
don't like it. Get the fuck out of here. That's it.
We see, I've got something to add or say to that as well. There's two groups really.
There's the controlled opposition with the large followings. They're not in your world.
They're not even real people. Your genuine peers on these platforms are just like you.
And they're all welcoming and they are not rivals. They are all your friends.
All of these streamers that I now follow are all super cool people. They're genuine,
normal people with on the whole followings less than 10,000.
But they're not your rivals and you will be able to collaborate with any of them comfortably.
I get what you're saying, Carl, but I just want to make something clear.
You could have 10 million fucking followers.
And if I see you're straight up, if I if I like you, I fucking I'll vibe with you.
You could have one subscriber and if you want me to go on your show, I'll fucking go on your
show. I don't give a fuck. One subscriber, one million subscribers. It don't mean shit to me.
I want to know are you are you being straight up? Are you being a fake ass motherfucker?
You trying to be the next Joe Rogan? Fuck you then. I don't want to fucking talk to you.
I don't care if you have one million subs. Let me finish this call real quick,
because I don't think a lot of people, a lot of people that criticize me
for the way that I is. I've been offered to be on big shows. I've been flirted with.
Maybe they have an outright asked me to be on the show, but they've been flirting with me.
Like asking like they've been flirting me in the in the sense of like,
damn, all right, I followed him on Twitter.
Now I want him to message me and we'll get him on the show.
I don't play that motherfucking game. Fuck you. You want me on your show?
Fucking straight up. Ask me. Don't be playing these fucking games with me.
And I don't care if you got a million fucking followers or any of this shit.
I honestly don't. I don't care. You know,
I guess I'll touch on it right now. Sam Tripoli. I know he listens to my motherfucking show.
He references shit that I fucking say on his fucking show all the fucking time.
And then I've been on you nearly wanted it.
But then for whatever reason in public on Twitter, whatever he acts like, he doesn't fucking know me.
He acts like he's never heard. This is the first time I heard a wheezy. Who's wheezy?
Oh, who's we fuck you, you fucking bitch. As I don't care if you're listening right now.
Fucking Sam, you know the way you act bitch. You act like a fucking bitch as motherfucking
pussy. I don't know why he doesn't have me on and I don't give a fuck, motherfucker.
If you don't have the balls to have me on when I know you fucking like my shit,
I know you listen to my shit. If you don't have the fucking ball because whoever's telling you this
or that you're a pussy, dude, and I don't give a fuck. Oh, now I'm not never going to have you
on. Guess what? Fuck you again. I don't care. It's it's.
I guess that's a bigger point that I'm trying to get it. I don't give a fuck,
bro. I genuinely don't give a fuck. I want to I want to vibe with people that's genuine.
I don't want this fake as shit. If you're scared because of this, if you're scared because of
that, fuck you. I don't care. Fuck out of here. But that's all I'm trying to say.
I know Sam listens to my shit. I know he's listening to my shit. I know it.
It's been confirmed. People in the past have said, well, maybe you're just imagine.
No, it's been confirmed. But the bitch decides to be a pussy and not have me on the show.
Fuck it. I don't care. I don't beg anyone. That's one thing about me. I don't kiss ass.
I don't beg anyone for shit. If you're too much of a pussy, then fuck it. Be a pussy, man.
Play your safe, dangerous shit. I don't give a fuck. But I ain't going to do shit to.
I'm sorry. Maybe I'm vibing a little ghetto because I'm listening to my ghetto ass shit right
now in the background and it's making me feel good. You know, that's the secret to podcasting.
Put some shit that you vibe with and I'm listening to some ghetto ass gangsta shit
and I don't give a fuck right now. And some people are like, oh, you just shot.
You just you just blew your low with Sam. I don't give a fuck. I've said this in the past.
I know he listens to my shit, but he tries to pretend like he's never heard of me
or or he he doesn't know me, bitch. Fuck out of here, bitch. I don't know you either,
bitch. And your comedy is wack. So there it is, man. I don't care. I just went on a weird ass.
I'd like to say I'd like to say a couple of quick things, if that's all right.
The first thing is two hours ago, I said my good night in the live chat
and I was going to go over and listen to boomers.
But then just as I did so, you asked me to give you a call in. So I'm here now because
A, I wanted to say hello to Ashley and B, I didn't want to let you down.
And bitch, bitch. What was your primary reason you called in? Don't be putting wheezy in the bitch.
You said Ashley was your greatest. You lying ass, bitch.
It's a seven letter word, mate. Respect. I've got respect for you. And the other thing I wanted to
say is I just wanted to give you a suggestion. Don't be playing no games, Carl. Don't be playing
no sensibly bullshit. Just say you called in because Ashley was on the fucking stream. That's
this is the third time in my whole life I've ever called into anything. And two of those occasions
have been for you. After a few nights after it was algorithm actually. But anyway, I just want
the second thing I wanted to say is a suggestion. You've got a damn good live chat community
there wheezy. You're familiar with a lot of the names there. Hold on, Carl. Let me stop you
before you go on any further. You know why I have a fire ass live chat? Because you're genuine.
No, I'm not going to take any credit for that. That's missing. He welcomes everyone.
He's the fucking vibe going 100% of the time.
He's the reason we all find out different ways to get in here.
I know, but I'm trying to go around with the drinks. That's it.
Trying to be humble. I ain't trying to be.
I ain't trying to sound like I'm fucking holier than that. No, that's the fucking truth.
Right there, Carl. Don't say it's because of me. Because back in the YouTube days,
who's my fucking bad motherfucking mind? Her.
No, you are right. It is out of respect also for the live chat. I feel like I know
quite a few of them reasonably well now. I see them around in multiple different streams
every day of the week, seven days a week. Anyway, just to quickly say my suggestion,
because you're comfortable with your live chat, ask your live chat in the comments section
to write down their favorite six streams on Rumble. And I think you'd find the answers quite
interesting. Firstly, you'd find that there's no big names there. And you would also find that
most of the six names given by people would be people that are very similar to yourself.
Like I said, you've got genuine peers around you who would all welcome you on their show.
And you would genuinely take to them immediately. You're all good people.
And so what it would give you is just a little heads up as to who people listen to
other than yourself. Because you're like once or twice a week. And this community is seven days
a week, like 13 hours a day, seven days a week. And we see each other everywhere.
We all have the same favorites. But it would be interesting, a little exercise,
but it might just allow you to just maybe investigate a couple of these names yourself.
And but through Seven Seas, you will, you will connect up with Boomer through Seven Seas.
Yeah, he would send me up. I'm gonna get yourself familiar with Synergy as well,
which is the bio digital convergence. You want to hear something funny?
Me and Seven Seas was playing video games last night.
And then I was drinking some beers. I'm telling you, man, Seven Seas is like my little bro.
I love that motherfucker. And he doesn't talk to anyone, but he talks to me.
And I don't take that lightly. Like the fact that he does fucking trust me,
he genuinely does trust me means a lot like.
Fuck dude, I'm listening to gangsta's music. I need to wear that out because it's
affecting my my thought process.
When, when, when I get someone like my boy Seven Seas
trust me and we have a pretty tight relationship.
I don't take that lightly, man. Like
in real life, I don't have brands. I don't. I don't. I don't talk to anyone
in real life in the physical world.
I'm kind of viewed as a weirdo.
People were listening to the show. Like, what the fuck, dude?
We easy. You talk a lot. You, you talk a lot of shit on live shit.
That's on the fucking podcast. But in real life, I'm a fucking loner.
I don't have any friends. And as I said last week,
that's not me begging for friends. No, fuck no.
This is me. I like, I like being a lone wolf. I like doing shit on my own.
I like reflecting. I do a lot of thinking.
And sometimes I overthink shit.
You know, sometimes I've reached out to people for podcasts.
They don't answer right away. And then I'm like, are they motherfucking hate me?
And all this shit. And then they get back to me a few weeks later and like, oh,
shit. I just barely saw this email. Like, oh, damn, I was thinking the worst.
I don't. I think you don't realize how similar you are to your genuine peers on this platform.
Hey, how's it going, Chris?
There's a lot of others. We see who are very similar.
I love Steve. Well, you got to switch up.
Steve is my fucking dog. I love. Shout out to my boy, Steve boy, Conan.
We're probably going to do an M.A. show next weekend. So if anyone's wondering,
Steve is my fucking dog. I just want to invite my boy, Chris, which, sorry, Carl,
I interrupted you, but I texted Chris specifically while Ashley was giving her
phenomenal Vietnam show because you are an actual war veteran. You didn't serve in Vietnam,
but you are a war veteran. You are very intelligent.
And Chris, you can attest to what I'm about to say right now.
You and I have each other's phone numbers. Personal phone numbers because I only give
my personal phone number to people. I don't have any friends. I don't,
but I only give my personal phone number to people that I trust.
And Chris, you are someone that I trust. I've given you my phone number and
thank you. You are wise. The shit that comes out of your mouth is not shit. It's fucking
wisdom, bro. Like last week you were saying a few words and at the time I was a little bit
inebriated and then I listened to it again. I'm like, God damn, this motherfucker is dropping
truth bombs and I wasn't even fully, fully conscious. So that's my introduction to Chris
as he joins the stream. What's up, Chris? What's up, Chris?
No, he's crazy. Oh, he froze up.
Not much, man. And I just wanted to give a shout out to Ashley.
You know, everyone's been praising. Yeah. Can you guys hear me?
Yeah, I froze.
You're kind of froze. You know what? Turn off your video and just use your voice.
Turn off your video, bro.
There you go. That's going to be a lot better.
OK, I think it's going to kick me out right now on this second.
You're good. Oh, shit, kick them out.
So I don't know. You'll be Chris is having some stream issues. I'm sure he'll hop in again.
Chris is a good dude. He's a war veteran.
I guarantee you I've never asked him straight up. I guarantee you the motherfucker seen some shit.
But he's not the type of dude to gloat or brag about. He's fucking.
I'm assuming he's seen some crazy shit. I'm assuming he's done some crazy shit.
But you talk to him and he's the chillest motherfucker you'll ever come across.
And my respect for Chris is through the roof. So hopefully he'll call back in. He dropped out.
Maybe he wasn't the best internet safe connection. But yeah, Chris is a bad motherfucker.
While we're waiting on him to hop back in, I did want to say that that's one thing about this
space that is difficult to navigate sometimes is figuring out those people that you can trust because
if you're a naturally more trusting person, then you just need to make sure that you are using
discernment in dealing with people and having these conversations. And it can be tricky because
it's just like any other environment or any other corporate or work environment or something
like that. You're going to have people that they are genuine and they want to help you
and work with you and then you do have to go. Yes. Yeah, bro. Ashley was just dropping some
truth bombs. You're good, bro. We can hear you. Yeah. Okay, man, you know, my past couple of
days, my internet's been real shitty. And I think that could be part of it. You're good,
but I did want to just say that I didn't want to say that Ashley, you know, again,
you began a lot of praise from the chat and you do really great work and your insights are
awesome. The research you're doing is awesome. And I really liked the fact that you're covering
the Phoenix Project in Vietnam because- Thank you. The Phoenix Project. Yeah, the Phoenix
Project is, I read that book, I think it was called The Phoenix Project. I read that book
several years ago. And when you learn about what they were doing in Vietnam, and I mentioned
this earlier in the chat, one of the other things that they were doing wasn't just,
I believe there was purposes for Vietnam, but a lot of it was to test out a lot of these new
programs, not just this new weaponry, but mind control stuff. And Ashley was talking about
how the Navy SEALs would work with these individuals, and they would do stuff. And they
would, the men with green faces, you know, they would say that because they would paint
their faces green. They would do certain things to invoke fear into the populace. There
in Vietnam. And it was all a part of mind control stuff. The other thing I think is,
and I'm going to relate this to, this is me saying this, but I'm going to relate this
to the Franklin scandal because one of the guys, one of the big, two of the big dudes that were
involved in the Franklin scandal came from Vietnam. And I believe, I think that he
alludes to this, that it could have be because they got caught doing pedophilia stuff there in
Vietnam while they were there. And instead of punishing them, I believe it was like, oh,
shit, here's some people that we can exploit and it'll do some bad shit for us because we got
them on some stuff. And they just brought them over and they set up their organization, which
set up the Franklin scandal, which they were shuttling little boys and girls to the White
House, you know, for sex magic ritual stuff. And so I believe a lot of that came from
Vietnam, too. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't be surprised to learn that. There definitely is
the connection because this is one of the things that William Colby, the CIA director,
was involved in basically covering up the Franklin scandal and getting it shut down.
And of course, he was involved in Gladio and he was involved in Project Phoenix or Operation
Phoenix. So I would not be surprised to learn that there was a link. And if we believe that these
operations are not only being perpetrated on the Vietnamese people, but they're being turned on
Americans, and we know that from even the mind control operations and trials and experiments
that they did on people who had no clue and they were not voluntarily participating in these
things, that they would extrapolate what they learned in whatever scenario, whether that's on a
small scale or a large scale, and bring it here 100%. Did you get that, Chris?
Yeah, you know, and and you guys are probably familiar with, I've mentioned this before, but
the CIA document, yes, yes. But I was going to say that most people are probably familiar with
that CIA document that supposedly was found in a direct copy called Solid Weapons for Quiet Wars.
And they talk about in there, there's algorithms, they show actual formulated algorithms of how to
control population and culture. And and this was back in what the 50s or 60s or something like that.
So it's like, they were doing this stuff for a long, maybe doing this stuff for Vietnam about
mass mind control. They're now shifting it on the US populace, because that's what they tell us,
right? The director said, we'll know that our information campaign is complete when
everything the American believes is a lie. And that's where we're at.
You know, one of the things that is
I guess, contradictory to what what I say quite a bit is, I don't care what people
want to listen to or whatever, I just do shit because I want to do.
We already have 1500 people that are listening on rumble alone. I haven't even posted it on
Spotify. So 1500 people, if you think about a little studio, little fucking hallway, whatever,
that's a lot of people, you know what I'm saying? And so people are interested in this Vietnam
stuff. You know, as I prefaced at the very beginning, I don't know much shit about it.
So I want to thank you, Ashley, because this was your subject. This is what you want to speak
about. When you said that, I was like, Okay, I've never fucking done Vietnam.
You made me do research into the shit. You made me be like, Oh, my God, what the fuck?
It was you, Ashley. So I thank you for that. Thank you so much. Yeah, this is I was obviously
whenever you asked me if I want to do the show this week, I wanted to jump on that opportunity.
I felt like I, I wish that I would have had more time to be even more prepared,
but I did not want to miss the opportunity to have this conversation with you. And I,
I'm so glad that you were interested in that you did dig into the videos that we talked about
into the perfect war and highly recommend if you don't want to read the books,
look up interviews from these guys. Douglas Valentine, for sure, the author of the Phoenix
program. Now, I think that he's a little bit in the left leaning, but and he, at least when he was
speaking with geopolitics and empire, he did believe in COVID measures and things like that,
which I had a question about because I was like, is this not obvious to you with the
the research that you have done that this is a continuation of that type of terror campaign?
But, but I still think that he has so much valuable information to add to us that is going
to help us really see things through a new and improved lens. And then of course, the perfect
war. Yeah, so I'm glad you brought Gibson. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up, Ashley,
because that's just another case and point where someone could be dead wrong on something.
That doesn't mean they're dead wrong on every fucking thing.
They could be dropping truth bombs at times. You know what I'm saying? So Doug Valentine,
buying into the COVID, like if you look at Doug Valentine's work and be like,
well, shit, he was wrong on COVID. So I'm not gonna why am I going to believe anything else?
You're the one that's fucked up because people get fucked up all the time, man. No one.
Absolutely no one that includes myself. That includes everyone else.
We're human. We get shit wrong. Yes.
And that's it. You have to look at the information on a case by case
measure and be like, okay, okay, COVID. Yeah, Doug Valentine was dead off from
goddamn Vietnam. He's got a fucking damn good point.
Yeah. And the other thing I want to add really quickly is that he could have changed his mind.
So this was five years ago and we were in a different place with information five years ago,
right? So I think that that is a possibility for him. And the other thing that I am trying to do
in my really digging into this subject is to also be open to the views of a lot of different
people because I'm not an expert and it's not in modern times. So we don't have people
saying like, oh, well, this person's connected to you. They're sponsored on their show by Oracle
or the Wellness Company or whatever you want to put in to say in that, right? So this is older stuff.
So what we can do is learn as much as we possibly can and then use our discernment to try to figure
out what is tracking with people that are trying to tell us the truth. And I agree that you're
exactly right. Sometimes we may not agree with everything. And he also is kind of,
you know, he's left leaning. He doesn't necessarily, what now? Sorry.
I think his internet is kind of slow. So he's getting our conversations
in the past. I'll text you, bro. Can you hear me? Go ahead.
Can you guys hear me?
Yeah, man. Can you guys hear me? Nice and clear. Can you guys hear me?
We can hear you. No, I was going to say that one one one point I wanted one point I wanted
to touch on earlier that you were talking about. Yeah. Okay. That was that. Go ahead. You
can't hear me. Basically, I was going to say that
Weezy, one of the things you were talking about as far as could someone be wrong on one thing
and and on another because that there's lowest thing, you know, like for you with moon landing,
you know, it's just like to you, the moon landing is like, bam, it's clear, you know,
but you're not ready to go to that level of flat earth, you know, but you're there on
the moon landing, you're just not quite over the hill. Can I answer that Chris?
And then I wanted to say to was a really good movie to look at the
Go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry. I think you got a little delay bro. You got like a five second delay.
Um, so anyways, when it comes to flat earth,
I want a flat earth earth to call in. I'm not gonna eviscerate you. I'm not gonna shit on you.
Yeah, you got a five second delay bro. So whenever I say something, you got to give me five seconds.
But on my Spotify comments, I got quite a few motherfucking flatters. There's that follow me.
I ain't sitting on you. I know the Apollo detectives shit on flat earth.
And I'm not gonna shit on my Apollo detectives homies. That's my homies. That's my friends.
I don't agree with everything they say. And y'all heard me. If you listen to the shows,
y'all heard me disagree with with the Apollo detectives. That doesn't mean I'm a flatter
thing. And I know it seems it appears anyways that some of my listeners, some of my friends,
I'm not going to call you followers and shit. Y'all resonate with the flatter stuff. I'm not
cool. How many times have I said calling? Give me your presentation. You give me some solid fucking
evidence. I'll fucking boom, I'll fucking switch allegiance immediately. You got to lay a good
case. This bullshit that well, uh, we already know NASA lies and therefore the earth is flat.
Now fuck you. That's not good evidence. I know NASA lies. That doesn't make the earth flat.
So if you are a flat earth, and you feel you have a compelling case,
how many motherfucking times do I got to say call the motherfucking stream?
Y'all will leave comments later on. Oh shit, here we go.
Oh, it's fucking. It wasn't me.
I said never a straight answer. Sorry.
Yeah. Can you hear me a little better now? You sound like you're
live streaming from a tinfoil can, but it works. Oh, yeah. One second here. Missy. Missy said in
the chat that, um, Chris was on the moon.
He's talking online. Yeah, he's calling a mixed. Is this, is this a little better?
Yeah, that's a lot better. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Uh, sorry about that. I'm just having issues
with my, I don't apologize motherfucking. Yeah.
Uh, but no, I was, uh, yeah, going back to like some of the other stuff that, you know,
especially going, um, to the phoenix stuff and, um, this whole soldiering and Blake's a good,
a good guy in the chat, um, because he's a former veteran as well. Shout out to Blake.
And, um, but yeah, like I kind of like you, Weezy. I don't want to shoot people and I can
at least say in my military career, and I've been on hundreds, hundreds of special operations
and I've never killed anyone. I can, I can take pride in the fact that I never killed anyone.
I have shot my weapon and I will say that I have gotten rough with some people. Um,
uh, you know, physically rough with people, but I've never had to shoot my weapon and I know
that I never killed anyone. What I can say about your career. That's not saying respect
right there, Chris. And what I can't say about a military career is that I can take
pride in the fact that I was there as an explosive expert to save my fellow soldiers
and I did, I did a good job and I did save lives. And, um, so when you were talking earlier about
patriotism, um, I would say that I was a patriot, not to this, um, military industrial complex.
I don't have patriotism like that. I have patriotism for my fellow man and, um,
and we all got bought in on these fake wars and I was, I got suckered into all of it, you know,
and I remember, you know, kind of what you were saying, Weezy, I believe you're a fighter.
You have the capacity for violence. I am a fighter. I have the capacity for violence,
but that's not what I want to do. If I don't have to, can I shoot somebody? Absolutely.
Well, I do so to save my fellow man. Absolutely. But point blank, that's not me.
And one of the, I was in a, I was in a special unit where you had to be really aggressive and
they would tell me all the time, like, dude, you got to be more aggressive. And in the house,
you know, doing close court of combat, I'm good at what I do, but they wanted you like
aggressive, like in the supermarket, just like aggro all the time. And I can say this, like,
we would, before we go on missions, we have what we call the ready room.
And that's where everybody goes and they jock up, they put on their body armor,
they check all their weapons, they make sure everything's nice and lubed. They get all the
bullets they need. Like, yeah, I'm ready for war. It's called the ready room. I would go in there
and some guys are joking, they're laughing and stuff. But then I would look around and there
were dudes that had this look on their face that all they wanted to do was kill. They were
straight up killers. And I'm not like that. I remember thinking like, oh man, I will never
be like that. And, you know, unfortunately, those, those are the kind of guys that still
do this whole military industrial complex thing. They love war.
Yeah, man, that's that's one of the darkest shit. Like, when Ashley told me about Vietnam,
I didn't know much. So I started, as y'all know, I'm a garbage man. So I just started
listening to all kinds of Vietnam related shit. During my fucking 12, 13 hour days,
which is boom, listening to this, listening to them like, God damn,
there's so fucking much I never even knew. And then I started reminiscing about
people that I knew that I that I'd run across that was Vietnam vets.
I started the show telling Ashley that when I was playing football as a little kid,
one of my fucking football coaches, he was his jacked dude. He was like 40 years old.
He would always get intense. And we and we were kids. So we would look at him like,
motherfuckers crazy. What the fuck is wrong with them?
Now that I'm older, I'm like, oh, shit, he was a Vietnam vet. That's why
but he would line us up and do the fucking squads. He'd fucking yell it, dude, like his
fucking veins in his neck would be popping out in his fucking for it. Damn, what the fuck is
this track you're talking about? Saigon squads? Where the fuck? What the fuck does the Saigon
even mean? I had no idea. I was ignorant and oblivious to the situation. It's not that
now that I'm older. I'm like, oh, shit, Saigon is a fucking place in Vietnam.
This motherfucker probably saw some crazy ass shit. So we're here as kids making fun of him,
but the motherfucker probably sees some shit. I don't know if that made any sense on that little
ramp. But yeah, man, it's how could you know? I mean, and that's the thing is like getting
new information and looking at it from a new lens in that way. But kids don't know.
Kids don't have an understanding for what the post-Vietnam syndrome looks like.
Well, we're breaking some grounds now in the form of what they call PTSD, post-traumatic stress.
Anybody who goes to war is going to have some type of post-traumatic stress. That is
because it's not natural to do these things to other people. It's not natural to go to combat like
this all the time. They have PTSD from that. I was never one of those guys where I would wake
up at night and scream and shit like that. I never had nightmares or anything. But what I
can say, the first time I experienced the emotional, a big anxiety attack, was it was one day I had
jumped out of my vehicle to pull apart an IED that what my friend didn't see, but I saw it.
And when I thought about that afterwards, it wasn't, you know, I survived. He survived.
I disarmed the bomb. But when I got home or back to my bay, my barracks, I remember laying
in bed and I thought to myself, oh, shit, I could have died. There could have been another dude
on that other end of the telephone and you could have just made that call and boom, I'd be gone.
And that I got a real big panic attack. I started sweating and I thought, wait a minute,
I'm here in my room. It didn't happen. I didn't die. And so I overcame that. But so when I
was told that I should get PTSD looked at in 2019, I was like, I don't got PTSD, man.
My buddy's like, no, do you check this out? And he explained this to me very well.
The deer or the antelope out in the wild, right? It's just doing its thing. When the predator
comes along, the lion comes and chases it, that fight or fight happens, boom, it escapes, right?
There's that rise in stress levels. And once they outrun the predator, they look around and
they're just like, oh, shit, predator's gone. And they just go back to doing their thing.
They don't sweat it. Whereas I was going to war. I was working up. I was doing like
18 month work or like a year long workup. I deployed for six months. And then
when I come back, I get two weeks off and then I'm back in the grind again,
ready for getting ready for another war, another combat mission. And so my stress
levels never went down. They always stayed up in the red. I was always in the red.
And it affected me. It affected my marriage. It affected my relationship with my kids.
And I can look back now and say that, yeah, I do suffer from PTSD.
You think awareness and appreciation of such things has improved since the Iraq and Afghanistan
wars? That's for sure. I just wanted to say one quick thing to all of you. Chris,
your audio is much better and there doesn't seem to be a delay issue now. So you're ready to go
for the rest of it. Weezy, I'm going to dip back into the chat and say hello to my friends.
So thanks for having me. And Ashley, it was lovely to spend a little bit of airtime with
you. It really was. And I'll see you on the next, you know, whatever it is you do.
Yeah, you too. Thank you so much. It was a great time with you.
Oh, Ashley, you're goddess, bro. Don't be a bitch.
Love you all, lads. I'll see you around soon. Thank you, Carl.
99. Take care, Carl.
Yeah, it's intense shit, man.
When I started doing research into the Phoenix program, I was like, God damn.
Um, no wonder we were never taught this. This is dark shit. It's very dark.
This is horrific shit. This is shit that our government did and ordered and executed.
Rhetorically speaking, and literally.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but correct me if I'm wrong, but one of one of the big
things that they had against JFK at the time, too, was he didn't want to go to war in Vietnam.
Yeah, Ashley brought that up earlier, but I in a kind way, I rebutted. I'm like,
that's one narrative that some people will propose that got JFK killed was because he,
you know, his opposition to Vietnam. But what people feel realized is that
under JFK, the CIA grew from 900 to 20,000.
So under his watch, a lot of fucking bullshit happened. So
personally speaking, I don't ascribe to the
to the mentality that JFK was oblivious or did not know what was going on. He fucking knew.
So yeah, that may be a different take than most people, but that's just the way I feel about it.
Well, because what they said about what they said about JFK, one of these also got him there,
was that because he was going to decrease the CIA and and Alan Dulles was like not going to have
that. And so there's there's that talk about whether he was taken out by, you know, these
three letter agency, you know, the Stooges. And so that that could be a thing too.
But the Vietnam, like again, like just like Ashley said, it was a testing ground because
that's where they started doing a lot of the and Greg mentioned this earlier too in the chat
of Operation Popeye, you know, whether they were causing monsoon, they were controlling
the weather. And there's that one video whether people want to talk about climate change,
it's not a real thing or maybe even the weather is not a real thing. There's a video where
Johnson, he's given a speech to an alma mater and he's saying, we now have the ability to
control the weather and he who controls the weather controls the world. Like he says that,
you know, like, and they tested it out there in Vietnam. And that's where I think we get
all these hurricanes and shit like that from. It was a huge testing ground for so many things
yes I'm glad he brought that up because that was something that I did not even touch on
is Operation Popeye. And the other thing that would be valuable to compile is all of the
operations that were run during Vietnam because there were so many and it was very wide ranging.
For example, Popeye, because that was trying to make the monsoon worse and cause more rain.
And then so there's so many operations on so many different topics and it is really valuable.
And I do truly think that this was a testing ground and basically to Douglas Valentine's
point to lead to where we're at today with the surveillance state. And there are so many
of the things that we see throughout history that were done straight out of the playbook
in Vietnam. And that includes starting to you know, like I was talking about the almost the
build back better narrative the rural to city life and on and on we go they're reducing the
population there so so many things that could be extrapolated to what we see today.
Well, you brought that up and I brought this up too early in the chat was that
now if you go back to Thomas Malthus in 17 the late 1700s Thomas Malthus he's writing about
his principle on the principles on the
what is it population principles on population and basically what he says in there is one way
to control population is by having wars by sending people to war and you kill people off.
And so that was also one one of the forms that they use for eugenics and population control
is war. 100% and that is something that I think with World War II this was huge. I mean they were
able to and it and here's the other thing is it's not just population control from removing
people it is removing fighting age men from the population so this is people that could
get married that could have a family that could potentially mount a resistance
and you completely took them off the chessboard and the ones that you didn't send back in a
body bag so many of them came back with debilitating issues from what they experienced there from
being conscripted against their will from seeing their friends be blown up from being from knowing
that they were being used as bait I mean the the trauma for those people alone is significant
and then you add in the the trauma that they put the American people through so not only
were you running the risk of having your own child conscripted into the war if they were
the terror that these people felt knowing that their child was over in in this country
and what could happen to them and then the other thing is that they showed the stuff
like what Weezy had brought up in our show or in earlier today that this was televised
that was intentional they wanted people to see this they wanted this element of fear this tension
or the strategy of tension of people sitting in front of their television every single day
watching the latest news about Vietnam and how many people were how many soldiers died
so just so many things that they were able to do but absolutely to your point population control
I 100% believe was a very big piece of this and one quick thing that I also didn't bring up earlier
is that if you ever listen to Chuck O'Chillie Chuck O'Chillie is a big JFK researcher right
he has the O'Chillie effect and he he was on our show Union the Unknowns a couple years ago
and we had the conversation of JFK's assassination 60 years later why does this still matter
and one of Chuck's stories that he talks about on our show is the fact that he was the child
of a Vietnam veteran who was a very troubled man and I if I recall correctly his father
ended up committing suicide and it was something that affected him for the rest of his life
and so and so these these things continue on the the trauma and the devastation
is not gone just because this happened in the 60s and 70s 100% yeah you know I think
you know part of the big D2 is is they're destroying the family and we separate a family
member like a father and they're supposed to be there taking care of his wife and his children
and send them off to war and he experiences some bad shit and comes back and all years
to have marrow problems shit like that like or maybe doesn't come back at all or comes back main
like they truly destroyed the family unit and this is one way that they do it you know because
they know the effects of war men men men were not meant to go to war worse than happening
all the phenol but we're not meant to kill each other you know we're meant to live
we're meant to be prosperous and multiply you know and you know unfortunately war does have to
happen I'm not saying that it doesn't but it goes back to that book you know 1984 and I love this
part it's so real you know where he's like I don't know how long we've been where I don't
know if we've ever not been at war and that's true like all these wars that are happening right
now these conflicts they didn't have to happen they really did that people really died in
Vietnam but it didn't have to happen they used just like you said we see the goba talk in bullshit
to get us into the war same thing with the Lusitania to get us into World War one and and this is how
they do it 911 got us into war bro like this shit goes further and further it's not something
known under the sun it's been change repeat and rinse or think change and repeat over and over throughout
yeah decades and centuries or psyops war crimes and repeat yeah
hell yeah
yeah and you're bringing up the um Mexican-American war I think probably if we started digging in to
almost any any of these conflicts we're going to see the playbook that would be my guess
and we know that the the fallout from Vietnam this led to their meddling in Latin America
and we we know that we're still meddling in Latin America we are still blowing up people
as we speak we're still blaming cartels that are propped up by the same
intelligence agencies as we speak yeah how is that any different than the phoenix project
where a Vietnamese farmer he's out farming he's growing his rice patties there's a curfew
to be in by 6 p.m. but he doesn't have no fucking clock he's just working the fucking farms
oh shit it's 601 that's blow this motherfucker up
and now in 2025 you got some motherfuckers riding in boats oh they're they're dealing drugs they're in
boats let's fucking chop them up same fucking shit different era people don't fucking get it man
yeah 100% and one of the things that we talk oh sorry Chris let me get this out real quick one of
the things that we were talking about earlier today on nights and maybe have mentioned it here
but when they have operations so we were talking about the mind control and MK ultra so that started
as bluebird then it was artichoke then it was MK ultra and we know that there's many different
subsets to the different experiments that they were performing on people so a lot of different
operations but just to say that they change the names of these programs but that doesn't
mean that the program changed they do it to obscure the their their paper trail and make
it more difficult for people to look into it and to find records and find documentation
so that is a trick that they use and when you mention how is what is happening and has been
happening in Latin America different than Operation Phoenix I don't think that it is
because what they I mean maybe they were saying at that time that they were using this strategy
in order to eliminate the connections and the conversations and the help that the regular
you know like that the peasants were doing or give the help that the peasants were giving
to the Viet Cong and but we know that it was a terror campaign we know that that aligns with at
least somewhere on a Venn diagram with Operation Gladio we know that they ran similar things here
we know that there was this fear campaign after Oklahoma City there's this fear campaign
regarding school shootings there's a fear campaign regarding terrorism after 9-11 all of
these things and that it's always used to continue to move us into that direction of
exactly what they stated in Vietnam from the rural to the city because they want to keep an eye on
people so so many of these things are you know yeah yeah it just gets repeated and I think
that's why I cover a lot of these topics a lot of the shit I mean it should be clear if you
learn of what has transpired before your time and you see it happening again you won't be susceptible
so the next time they try to roll out oh shit COVID is out here you need to get a fucking jab
you're gonna say fuck you that's that's the point of this show it's not for any other bullshit
it's to say fuck you I ain't getting no fucking jab your mother fucking lying scumbags I really
know you play fuck you get the fuck out of here with that shit easy I was so that's the point of
the show easy I wanted to say this too in relation to what you're talking about I remember
back in 2012 2013 I was still involved in the Iraq stuff now so my my deployment cycles are set up
to go to CentCon which is out there in the Middle East and then uh because Navy EOD we can go with
different groups and there was a group of guys that got tasked to go to be with the special
operations dudes in South America and I thought what's going on in South America and I thought
wow why would anybody want to go to South America because there's nothing going on there
we're fighting a war and people are getting you know getting after it in the Middle East
you know why do we have a special operations team going down to South America so they've been doing
this for a long time and that's what we're seeing on today that they're doing in South America
oh yeah then we got Ashley looking like Mariah Carey over here
and that's a that's a that's a compliment you're muted right now oh I said just wait till
I start singing uh all I want for Christmas oh no don't do that I'm already in what I want
for Christmas out not um yeah we're hitting up on five hours god damn it went quick because
we were just talking about some hard hitting shit and um every now and then I get some people that
will say who listens to this fucking shit well fucking most people do motherfucker you complaining
about a long show like this you are the anomaly motherfucker most people enjoy the
shit makes their days go quicker you know what I mean if you got five hours of shit to listen to
and you got an eight hour 10 hour work shift that's half your day right there so
yeah do you know and and someone someone said it started in the chat earlier too that um
we're we're we're friends we're talking we're just kind of shooting the shit but but we're
we're bringing out really hardcore stuff this is stuff that so it keeps it it keeps the
conversation relevant we're not just shooting the shit you know like on Saturday anarchy where
they just talk shit they do get a good stuff there too and I'm I'm a part of that group
I disagree with that last part my boy's there but um but but I disagree with the last part
oh I was with you until that last part I'm just kidding what we're talking relevant stuff and I
think this keeps the conversation going yeah I mean all jokes aside yeah that like I just stated
the reason I do the show is because it's it's several prongs worth it gets people
prepared for when the government tries to pull some fucking fast ones oh shit I heard Ashley
on the Woodish Truth podcast talking about Vietnam and Operation or the Phoenix Project
fuck this shit I ain't going with it man hell yeah that's the reason for the show
other reason for the show another valid reason in my opinion that someone that can relate
is for all the people that work and only listen to podcasts while they work
you got five hours of shit you know I'm saying that's another reason to do the show
another reason to do the show is because it helps me distract myself
and I enjoy it and you guys enjoy it and that's it so very multi-pronged approach
that we take here and I want to thank Ashley I'm gonna push her to get her own podcast
I think she should do it she'll kick ass if she already has her little fans that will
gravitate to it and that's badass once you already have a little bait you don't you don't
you don't even have your own podcast you already have a little a little group a little following
that makes shit a lot easier that way so that's badass um and I want to thank Chris for calling
in I mean Chris is uh he's put in his military work and he now identifies the way we see
shit that war is a racket like Smith v. Butler said a hundred years ago war is a motherfucking racket
and so it's awesome to get all these perspectives I hope everyone enjoyed it
any last words women and gentlemen yeah I just want to chime in I want to thank everybody in
the chat I wasn't looking or responding back when we were talking about you know most of the
subject because I have been stressing so hard all week I wanted to focus I wanted to you know
make sense get my points out but I really appreciate it thank you wheezy so much for having me on
today I have really enjoyed it I really appreciate it and um I was very happy to get the invite
to come on today and uh so I appreciate it so much uh Chris it was great talking to you
Carl great talking to you as well so I just want to say thank you appreciate it absolutely
no the pleasure was mine I mean we're already at like 1500 rumble views and then we still got to
put it on these other platforms so people enjoyed this I know they're gonna enjoy it it's a topic
that doesn't get talked about I didn't know much about it and when you brought it up I was
yeah I chimed in maybe brought up some good points but that was because
you bringing it up and making me do homework and and research you know what I'm saying yeah you did
your homework yeah that was great and one one last thing I do want to say thank you so much to
my friend wizard I know I already mentioned that but um he really helped me a lot in going
over this information and talking things out and helping me kind of get a game plan together
and took a lot of his time to do that and go back through his notes and and things like that so
I'm very appreciative of that as well oh yeah truth very you got any last words before we uh
do the book gauntlet no man just uh you know again can't thank you enough for having a good uh
good uh outlet you know you got a good channel um people love it we know this from the chat
like we know this from the feedback like haters are out there but that's just what it is man I don't
even care bro fuck the haters if you're a hater bro sit on this bitch and grind on it motherfuckers
well yeah you know and I just wanted to say this too like um you know you're doing your thing and
thank you for having opening the chat for myself to come on I'm a nobody I don't do
shit I'm not I'm just you're my homie well that's all that matters to me I'm a regular
guide so yeah but I'm just a regular motherfucking garbage man bro it ain't like I ain't no motherfucking
special yeah but so what but here's the cool thing though is that regular garbage men having deep
discussions like this like who would have thought of that right like you know like
I never thought it I just did it you know that's all yeah yeah thanks man I never thought anyone
would listen to this shit like when I first recorded my first episodes all those years ago
I was like I'm gonna talk shit into a microphone if one or two people listen I'll be fucking badass
and one or two people did listen and I'm like goddamn okay I'll keep going now it's gone from
one to two people to fucking several thousand I'm like goddamn that's badass I I uh I don't take that
lightly I love it and I call people my followers and I shouldn't have said that I don't view y'all
as followers of you y'all vibe with my my way of doing things I know there's I know most of you
enjoy the topics but there's a big part of you that say I enjoy the topics I just don't like the custom
fuck you first of all um
this special shout outs to the motherfuckers that roll with the content irregardless
of what I cover irregardless of what language I use irregardless of anything else
you may agree with me sometimes you may disagree with me this motherfucking shout outs for y'all
and I want to that's a heartfelt one because y'all is the truth motherfuckers fuck all the
motherfucking bitches that cry about this cry about that fuck all them I don't care about them
man fuck y'all I care about you people that accept me for who I am for what the show is about
I don't do echo chambers I had someone cry I had someone leave me comments you talk to Jeff
Burwick fuck you wheezy I'm never I'm unsubscribing right now fuck you you pussy ass faggot
that's all I can say because I'm gonna do shit that I fucking want to do
and the people that can vibe with me I'm not asking you to agree with me or even vibe with
my guests I'm not asking you for that I'm just asking you to vibe with freedom of speech
and if you don't vibe with that fuck you if you vibe with it and you disagree with me
this shout outs for you and so it was a long ass shout out but I think I railed on
all the haters last week too much and I gave them too much energy too much light
when I in reality the thing I should be doing is praising the motherfuckers that appreciate the shit
that's what I should be focusing on and that's what I'm doing right now
so this is a long shout out but this shout out is for y'all because y'all are you guys
are the reason why I keep doing the show weekend and week out fuck all the motherfucking cry babies
y'all are the ones I do the shit for and y'all get this mad fucking love right now so that's what's up
that being said thank you Ashley thank you Chris you guys are homies you guys have my
number and as I stated before I only give my numbers to people that I trust
um I don't give my number out to anyone so uh I do trust you Ashley I do trust you Chris
you guys are genuine that's why I enjoy having you guys on same thing with Carl Carl's in the
live chat right now chatting away Carl's a good dude Carl's a straight up good dude so
long ass shout outs to end the show to the motherfuckers that really do count
all the haters don't count fuck them all the real ones fuck them and you guys deserve the
shit and that's what's up all right y'all much love hugs and