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Hello and welcome to the King Heroes Journey podcast. My name is Beth Martens, and I have the immense pleasure of having Sarah Tomato on,

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I'm getting used to saying Sarah Tomato today, who had me on her channel recently, got to know her. It's been a quick love affair.

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I became a subscriber on her YouTube debate channel. And so that's been really fun. This is thanks to Ben Balderson.

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I don't know if he's going to be around today. Hello to everyone who's coming in the chat. That's fantastic.

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Feel free to share this out. It is a pretty shadow band channel. Darn it. Go figure. I don't think I'm that dangerous, but let's see.

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So if you're new to the King Heroes Journey, you feel like subbing. I am live on YouTube and rumble and Facebook and X and vigilante TV.

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Let me see if I am actually live on rumble. Let's see. Did it do it? Damn it.

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Okay, I'm going to have to upload to rumble after. I've always got a little glitch. Beth called Sarah Beans.

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There you go. All right. So without further ado, I'm going to introduce Sarah. She is, she's, I love this quote. She says,

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there will be chaos. Let's get clear here. We can talk about that. There will be crazy buckle up.

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And so it's pretty wild. Sarah in the summer of 2024 hosted her first live debate video kind of by accident.

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Shortly after the moderator Monday, Monday series kicked off with a full momentum along with the throw down Thursday.

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Since then the raging tomato became an official debate platform platform with the most contentious topics featuring

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one versus one, two versus two, one versus eight. Additionally, the after hours open panels on the gauntlet continue to grow in popularity as several panelists wait their turn backstage to enter the battleground.

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And I was, I was there for one of those debates. It was super fun. I had a huge smile on my face. So I'm going to bring Sarah on now. Hello and welcome, Sarah.

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Hello. Thank you so much for hosting this. It's not often that I get to be the person in the hot seat. Right. Right. Yeah.

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Can you hear my dogs barking? I hear them immensely. I do not hear them. Can you hear my distiller running? No.

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Okay. Excellent. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of those things I drink nothing but distilled water. So I that thing runs like three times a day.

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And if I stop it, then I have to start it and I don't have water and stuff. So, so I would go there. Yeah. Thanks for bringing all your people. Welcome.

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Yeah, I hope they're heading over there and sending you all the love as you deserve.

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Yes. Yes. And I see we have some overlap between a few of our people. That's so good. Well, I'm excited for this conversation. We're going to be talking about what it's like to be in the eye of the debate storm.

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Yeah. And I've been, I've been watching you. It's, it's kind of crazy. Do you want to say anything more by way of introduction about yourself?

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No, I mean, I think that you have that pretty much covered it. I'm Sarah. I host debates. It's crazy.

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So what was that turning point when you decided you were going to do that when you, when you didn't, when you weren't doing that, but you stepped into the arena?

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Well, it started with a random Monday night and I thought to myself, man, nobody streams anything fun Monday nights. I was bored watching, like, you know, scrolling through YouTube and I thought it's so boring here.

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And so I said, maybe I'll just try something on Mondays and see if it floats and do like an open panel.

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They had already been calling me. They first, they call me mom orator because I'm a mom and I momerate them like a mom should.

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But they kept saying that I moderate the open panels pretty, pretty well, right? Well enough.

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So, so I thought to myself like, oh, I'll do a mod Monday, like moderator Monday. Let's see if it takes off.

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And I remember doing my first Monday night and I didn't have like a topic picked or anything.

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I was just completely blindly walking into it. Like, let's just open up the gates and see what happens.

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And people came up at David Donnelly from the vinyl community was was one of the few that first came up and just to fill the space.

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And, and we just sat had a conversation. It was really mild.

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Like nobody got mad. Nobody got upset. Everybody was just having a nice, gentle conversation.

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And then that eventually evolved later to where I started planning my moderator Mondays where I said like it needs to be more formatted more structured.

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So then I went with four people, a 2B2 and a hot seat.

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And the hot seat was like meant to be kind of like, because I didn't want to leave people out of the conversation.

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Like I always had everybody involved in the conversation.

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So I gave an opportunity for people to line up backstage and hop in the hot seat.

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And then that later evolved to what it is now where it's 2B2.

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They they have the full direct attention for the first two hours.

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And then after that, we go into open panel.

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And I mean, the rest is kind of history from there.

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It's just kind of sale.

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The first official one V one debate I hosted was Andrew Wilson and based Oracle that was requested by Andrew.

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And and it just kind of took off.

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And now now here we are.

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It's just pure crazy.

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Yeah, so interesting.

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As you know from interviewing me and getting to know each other a little bit that I'm always looking for without even intending to I just have a natural pattern hunting kind of side to myself.

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And I like to see archetypes or I just inevitably see them whether I like it or not.

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So so it's interesting when you when you threw in that you said you were you were bored and you're looking for a little excitement.

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So that I know you did the quiz at my website and I'm sure we're going to talk a lot about that as well.

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But when you talk about there being like being bored was a motivation, which is the best creator space to be from when you let yourself be bored.

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It's so fruitful.

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Yes, it's stupid.

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But it seems scary for what can you guess which archetype is scared of being bored?

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Let's see.

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There's the rebel, the nurturer, the king, the alchemist.

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I would I mean, I would see the king is being like not wanting to be bored, but I would also pin it on the rebel too.

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Yeah, you got it on the second one.

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Yeah, the king would be bored, but they don't have any time for that.

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Great.

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I know what that's like.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Now I don't have any time.

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Yeah, I was bored.

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Right.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, that's very interesting that you got you got I mean, we've all got some, you notice I wore my black leather today.

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There's, you know, in in your raging tomato brand, you could say there's a lot of rebel.

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Yes.

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And you're attracting a lot of rebels as well.

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The fighters, those who don't mind conflict.

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And that's kind of an unusual quality because especially women will go out of their way to avoid the conflict.

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It's funny you say that because I hate conflict.

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I hate I hate like being put in a stance of you're going to have to duke this out with someone.

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I avoided it all costs and like I hate it, but I also openly welcome it too.

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It's it's kind of contradictory to that.

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The way you say that especially the way I invite and welcome it, but I also try to avoid it at all costs.

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There you go.

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There's Benjamin Balderson who I never mind getting in a friendly conflict with.

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He's the one that brought me over.

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So thank you Ben for these introductions.

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Yeah.

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JJ Hemcreet is in the house and Ducks Wise said I'm a licensed CSM.

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Is that good?

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What is a CSM?

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I don't know.

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I don't either.

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Duck is odd.

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He says that.

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That's why we have an emoji in our chat of no duck.

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It's like got a like kind of like a do not enter sign over top of a duck.

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That's he earned that.

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The chat loves it.

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Fair enough.

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Fair enough.

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Yeah.

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I'm not good at all the acronyms and the three letter this and that.

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So I have to go look them up and half the time you can't.

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So and yeah, Ben's my favorite alchemist too, Michelle.

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Thanks for being here.

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And and you are quietly content bear.

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Okay.

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You guys seem to come as a pair interchangeable.

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That's great.

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I love to have some bears around and how it goes it new to the channel.

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Welcome.

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You want to drop a like please do that's awesome.

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Jason welcome.

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It's always lovely to meet new people.

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Totally love it.

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And yeah, so that's that rebel archetype is willing to get into the

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conflict.

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So it's it's it's interesting.

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Say it makes me think of my parents started a business in

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communication and they were masters at it and they developed a very

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good, you know, service.

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And it was one of the top three agencies in this city at a

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time, but say within their personal life, not to call them

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out too much, but communication wasn't this strong point.

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Those that can't do typically teach, right?

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And I find that probably maybe that was the calling, right?

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I mean, I was bored and I thought everybody else is bored.

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Like let's get everybody together on one screen on a Monday

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night, but I don't like conflict.

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So therefore I will manage conflict.

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Maybe maybe that's the calling.

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I don't know.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, right.

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Because you're in the role of being the moderator, the referee,

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you're there to, you know, like make sure people don't go

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completely off the rails and channel and stuff like that.

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And it's also there's there's such a huge difference between

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professional and personal.

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Yes.

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And people draw that line really hard.

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So the two world, the two worlds don't necessarily meet.

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It's one of the things I actually feel happy about helping two

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people, people to create a life where they don't have to opposing

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professional and personal lives.

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They just have a life.

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And I call that the sacred purpose, which we talked a lot

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about on, on the interview with me.

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And yeah, so the, the King archetype is, is a beautiful one

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that that's one that I have a lot of affection for.

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Actually, that's what this channel is named after the

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King hero, literally, you know, beaconing out to the King heroes

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a little bit.

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Where are you as well?

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And while it sounds very masculine, it is also, and especially

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in this day and age, it can be very feminine because or not

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that it's feminine, just that women can wear the King archetype

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much more than they ever have.

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Can you want to talk about that?

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Would it's like to be a King in your world?

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Well, I mean, quite frankly, I didn't know I was a King until

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your test told me I was a King.

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But it's, it's, I would say it's a very heavy weight in terms

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of understanding people and no, in trying to bring them all

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together on one screen and knowing who has beef with who

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and who has what kind of personality type and who,

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who gets crazy, who gets shy, who needs comfort, who needs

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this, who needs space.

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And it's, it's a heavy weight that most people is,

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I told you before, I like to people the people and just

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knowing and understanding, yeah, knowing and understanding

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how they operate is very, I think that's the most

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important piece when you have 10 people on one screen

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and knowing how people prefer to be talked to or what

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they react to or what they, what will make them engage

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or what will bring out the best of them.

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And just knowing and understanding that is very important.

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Now you don't always get it right.

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There's, I, you know, I'll own that.

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You don't always get it right.

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Trying to understand how people work and operate

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and all of these things is very head spinning sometimes.

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But you make your best guess, you know,

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especially when people are regulars and they're coming

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back all the time, like you, you get a feel for what

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they, they will react to or won't react to.

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But I would say it's, it's a, it's a heavy weight

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just trying to do that.

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And then everything that goes behind the scenes,

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everything that's on the screen, everything that's

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like all of their interpersonal issues together

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on other screens.

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And it's like you're taking all of that and you're

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crumbling it all up in a little ball and hoping

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it doesn't implode.

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It's scary.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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The ultimate multitasking going on.

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People kind of have no idea and that's okay.

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It's not a, you know, a matter for anyone to feel

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bad about how much work goes into the back end of any

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kind of, like once you jump on, it's fairly easy.

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Although you're still managing many elements at one

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time and some unexpected ones too.

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So yeah, that's in fact very feminine is the

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ability to multitask where, where men are better

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at like just zeroing in, spotlighting on one

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thing.

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Women can floodlight out and, and keep an eye on the

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big picture that, that way all the children don't

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die.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I've heard a lot, especially lately, that I

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just sit here and do nothing.

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And I laugh at it because I'm like, you have

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no idea what's going on behind the scenes.

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You have no idea, even when I put together

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certain panels or know who does what and

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how that, the, all of the work is all behind the

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scenes.

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And, and then sitting here watching it come to

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fruition.

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That's like, okay, we've, we've, we've metered up.

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We're right here at this level.

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How do I maintain this level right here?

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And just knowing how somebody will react and so

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on and so forth, like it's, it, because your

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levels will go up and it'll go over or, or

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it's going to drop and it's, it could go

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either direction and it's up to me to try to

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ensure that it stays there.

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And sometimes that requires very minimal

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work.

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Some people can people themselves.

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But most of the time that requires a lot of

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patience and, and just, just understanding.

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And that's really hard.

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Right.

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To me, it's really hard at least.

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Oh, you do it really, really well.

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And I just wanted to point out that for

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the king, that's the, you know, the

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behind the scenes is the biggest part of

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their world.

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So no, no matter what you see in any

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leader, you know, person that's willing to

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get out and be the movement or the head of

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the spear, if it's more of a warrior

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approach, then yeah, the behind the scenes

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is, is a heavy weight.

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It just, it's, it's part of it.

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So it's good.

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It's good to understand that.

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And yeah, understanding the people.

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I was, I was wondering if maybe you want to

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get my guests to do, get your guests

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to do my archetype quiz before they come

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on.

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So you can right away get a profile of who

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they are and know, know how to speak to

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them, not so you can manipulate them.

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Of course, that's not, you could do that

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way, but you can speak their language

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and appeal to their values is one of

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the really good things.

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You know, let's see, that's the fun in

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it is learning who, I mean, obviously

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there's regulars, right?

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So I've learned that those people

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already, but the exploration part is

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the fun part of it all.

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And that's, that's what I enjoy is

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getting to know and understand them.

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I think they should all go take your

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quiz anyways, just because it's

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interesting to learn about yourself.

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But as far as when they come on,

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even for the first time, it's like,

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it's like opening a Christmas gift on

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Christmas morning and you have no idea

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what's going to be behind it.

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Nice, nice.

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That's beautiful.

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That's also pretty rebel of you that

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is interested in that excitement,

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right?

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Because it's new.

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It's risky.

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You don't know that person.

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Maybe they're going to flip out

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or something like that.

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That's very cool.

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I like it.

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And so

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can you talk more about

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peopeling the people?

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What does that mean to you?

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I might have named this stream that

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but I went in a different direction.

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So I like this phrase, but I don't

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totally know what it means.

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Peopeling the people is,

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I don't know, to me it's

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it's really deep diving into

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who people are

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between their persona that they put on

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screen.

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We all know that that can be different.

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But then also

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kind of navigating through

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some people you have to keep them

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within boundaries.

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Am I feedbacking on my end?

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Is it just me?

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I do not hear anything on my end.

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Can you let us know in the chat if

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you're hearing any echo at all?

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It sounds clean on my side.

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I can meet while you talk if that helps.

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Let's see if that's the

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maybe that's the fix

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for me.

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I guess you probably have speakers.

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Maybe if I talk lower

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if I talk lower it won't

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feedback.

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But the

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I would say

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knowing because some people put

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a certain persona on screen

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but that doesn't mean that

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they don't have real lives.

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They don't have feelings.

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They don't have all of these things

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and just knowing and understanding

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what kind of persona they put on

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there versus who they might be when

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they leave.

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And in that one I can tell based

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on you know messages

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and interacting and engaging with

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them privately and so on and so forth

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and knowing kind of who's a little

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softer, who's a little harder,

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who's a little crazy, who's a little

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this, you know.

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But also just managing

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managing who they balance

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out with on screen as well.

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Sometimes I know if somebody's going to

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come on the screen and somebody

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else is already there it's going to get

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crazy and

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trying to ensure that I put

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a boundary up or

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making sure we stay on beat

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you know instead of going completely

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off the rails is that's vital

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to me because I want them

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to have that moment that they

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want. They're coming on there

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to have that crazy moment

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but they also

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need to

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stay within

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the guardrails.

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We can't just let you go

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off completely and there are

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people who try to push that and take

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an advantage of things

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and so on and so forth but

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as long as you stay within that little

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space then you know we can

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keep rolling but I don't know

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it's

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I think just having

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knowledge and understanding of people

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is the most important

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aspect to being able to

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host

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a plethora of

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different variety pack of Pandora's box

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and being able to

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maintain it in such a way where

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they still like you when they leave

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they still want to come back

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you're still polite to them

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but you still also have to put your foot down too

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that's the hardest

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balance there I'd say

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Yeah that's the art of good boundaries

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that tends to show up

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really strong in a nurture archetype

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where you're

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the rebel might be more inclined

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to burn a bridge or two

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and really like do this

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but when you talk about

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you know peopleing as a

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verb like

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an action that you do

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again it being in that role where

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you want to make an open space and have it

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stay friendly

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regardless of the conflict

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and so that's a very

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fine art

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why do you think

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debate matters now

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more than ever

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and what would be the whole

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purpose behind debating

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you know I don't even

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think that it's necessarily

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debate is that vital I think

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being able to give

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your opinion and have a place to do it

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where you feel comfortable doing it

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that's what I see

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is most of the

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issue for others where

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they might say

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the links down there come on up

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you know come argue with me

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but the person might be afraid to go up

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because are you going to get muted

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are you going to get booted can you speak freely

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is it neutral

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ground and most spaces

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aren't when people want to argue

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their thought process out

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so most people don't feel comfortable doing it

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because it's like why would I do it

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if you're not going to allow me

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the space to do it and speak

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freely

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to me the most important part

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is not necessarily debate it's just the

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ability to get on somewhere

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where I'm not going to boot you for your

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opinions your opinions

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are of your own and they don't bother

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me right

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the most important part is being able to

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get there and say it

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and have the ability

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to say it whereas it just

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kind of turned into debate

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but realistically

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it's it to me it's more of just being

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able to express whatever crazy

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I mean we had a guy talking

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about Jesus and mushrooms and I was

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like what you know

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but that's what he wanted to talk about

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it's

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if you think Jesus and mushrooms goes together

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somehow in some weird crazy way

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I'll give you the platform to do it

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but I'll also give the platform

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to other people who are going to come in

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and dismantle your argument entirely

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you know so

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like I don't care about throwing my opinions

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out there very strongly but other people do

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and so

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here's the space to do it where I won't

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judge you for it I won't think less of

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you for it I'll just give you the

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space

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yeah

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so personally

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I think people should debate

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more and that's it's one of the most

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common

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comments that I get could you have

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this guy on that I already interviewed

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and that guy on that I already

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interviewed to go a little head to

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head I didn't mean to make bird hands

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there

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and

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and

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because

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the discussions need to be had

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they're sometimes

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diametrically opposed in their

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viewpoint and that's not just opinion

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that can be like

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claims about reality in law

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in health in arenas that

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really have high stakes

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and matter

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and the inability to just

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have conversations

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with each other is

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like nobody wants to accept

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an invite like that

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right they all turn away now I understand

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it a little bit and from the king's perspective

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again it comes down to time

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what do you actually have bandwidth

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for and if you've got a big

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kingdom already going in a certain

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direction and able to make use of

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the work that you have

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then you might see it as a waste of time

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to go and debate others

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but you know if the

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knowledge is

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bonafide and it's

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needed and it needs to

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be spoken and get out in the airwaves

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and is subject to

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censorship as we're pretty much used to

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these days then yeah

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I would still invite that

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it is a pain in the ass because

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people are going to say things that

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you don't want to bump up against

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like to me again I'll pass it

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over to you now but the biggest point

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of the debate could be or the biggest

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potential of the of the debate

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could be learning

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right having some

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new added perspective

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to the one you already had

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yeah I mean

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for me in my opinion

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and this is why I don't go running

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around panel to panel expressing it

25:45.720 --> 25:47.580
too often my opinion

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is reserved for me and

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my my home and my family

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and that's where we apply it and that's the only

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place that matters right

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everyone else on the internet

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like you're you're going to formulate your own

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thoughts you're going to do your own thing

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and I don't feel any need to push myself

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on to you because I

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I don't I'm not here to

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change your world view that's

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not my goal my my

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goal here online

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is to allow you

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to express your world view to others

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and if they get their mind changed

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in the event of that fine great

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but I don't feel like

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my opinion is

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like

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I love my opinion I love my value

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system my principles and where I stand

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but it is reserved for me and mine

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but anyone else

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like I don't feel that I'm not going to

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come in and change your world view I'm not going to come

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in and make you

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think twice it's just

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as you said it's a waste of time and that's how

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I look at it like is it a waste

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of my blood pressure is it a waste

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of my headspace is it a waste of

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you know my thought process and

26:52.500 --> 26:55.020
my brain waves and what I have going on

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to me it's wasteful

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you're either going to listen to a few things

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I might say and think about it

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or you're not but I'm not going to sit here and try to convince

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you nor am I going to debate you on it because

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you obviously are coming to the table

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with your own opinion anyways

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so

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but to others

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they think or believe

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or want to

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change the world

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you can come

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change the world utilizing

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my platform but you're not going to change mine

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and mine's going to stay where

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right where it's at and I'm not going to try to change yours

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either and I think that's what

27:30.180 --> 27:31.600
allows me to keep that

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neutrality right with

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with everyone else's opinions and

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being able because I don't

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care not that I don't care about

27:39.600 --> 27:41.620
their opinion but I don't care to

27:41.620 --> 27:43.400
change anybody's mind I don't care

27:43.400 --> 27:45.100
that you want to try to change mine

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I care about me and my children

27:47.260 --> 27:48.500
and our value system

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privately but what you do

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on screen is your own

27:53.260 --> 27:55.240
thing I don't know if that makes any sense

27:55.240 --> 27:57.560
it does is the echo gone by the way

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I think

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so

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yes okay perfect I can

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stand muted

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yeah well that's the trap

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right that I watch

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your guys and more for the sake

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less for the sake of the content that they're

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arguing about and more for

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what you're observing like you know

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how people are being and

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there's

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like

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you just said it you can only

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decide say

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for the sake of learning for yourself

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you can't

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decide you know I'm going to

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say it 10 times I'm going to say

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20 times I'm going to say it 100 times

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in the hopes

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and this is often unconscious in the hopes

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of changing

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that other person's mind

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fixing them making them you know

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if you think they're stupid making them smart

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like you or whatever right so

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that's that's where personally I find it

28:53.620 --> 28:55.460
so fascinating because you've got all of the

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hidden inside

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motives that are not just hidden

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from

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other people but hidden from ourselves that's

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the nature of the unconscious

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and so you can see these

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drivers and

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and

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I can stay part of it for a time

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but after a while it's just this

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it's literally

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programs interacting with programs

29:17.980 --> 29:19.920
and there's no I keep

29:19.920 --> 29:21.900
having the word in my mind porosity

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right being porous

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and being able to take in

29:25.720 --> 29:28.060
not being wishy washy not being

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indecisive

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or unclear about

29:31.060 --> 29:33.280
your position but like

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there's always expansion is what I notice

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you can always learn something

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oh yeah

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I will say I do enjoy

29:42.160 --> 29:44.040
the educational portion of the debates

29:44.040 --> 29:46.180
we had one Monday night

29:46.180 --> 29:48.000
and it was really

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morality based

29:50.180 --> 29:51.800
in terms of American

29:51.800 --> 29:54.100
what we started with in our framework

29:54.100 --> 29:56.160
and gosh I just loved

29:56.160 --> 29:58.220
hearing that the back and forth on that

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to me it is enjoyable

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to hear

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different argument points

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but

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behind that is the educational

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piece you know that's what gets me

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excited I've always loved learning

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I was a student for 11

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years happily

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because it just gets me so excited to learn

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something new on a

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different day when we stop

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learning that's when we start dying

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and anything beyond that is

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I don't know it's lovely

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yeah yeah I

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totally agree with that

30:31.500 --> 30:32.900
and yeah and then yeah

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there's an unconscious drive to win

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so that shows up with

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the could be

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the rebels but more warrior

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and there's one of the

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composite programs I call it a composite program

30:45.260 --> 30:47.240
not to use lingo on this channel

30:47.240 --> 30:48.660
because people don't necessarily know

30:48.660 --> 30:49.980
what I'm talking about but

30:49.980 --> 30:52.740
there are programs that carry

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a lot of weight and what does that

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mean is they require a great deal

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of energy to operate so they're

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expensive energetically

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again by their very definition

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they're unconscious and it drives

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people to want to win

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right they'll go on

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the low side of the program from a place

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of feeling like they can't win

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and then they'll spend their life

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clawing their way to a place where they

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can win and they get tricked

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thinking they arrived in

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in the good place but what

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it does is it actually makes

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them a target

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because anyone who's walking around

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running that I can

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win program everybody

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wants to take them down

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have you noticed any of that

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yes we see that a

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lot actually

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it's it's like

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knocking the knocking the

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night off the horse kind of concept

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if they want to

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it like because you want

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to win so bad I'm going to do everything

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I can to stand in your way

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I see that a lot

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I see a lot of

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I also

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see them kind of stand in the way of themselves

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like not willing

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to be

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open to any other thought process

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because it's this is my goal and this

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is what I want so

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because of that you're not going to

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you you can't

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like you can't be open

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to any other thing

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because that thing is in the way

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of you winning so

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the inability to be

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flexible and they just knock themselves

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down because of it

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yeah again it's exhausting

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so it's not sustainable

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to go on like that and

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and you end up a kind of killer too because

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if there's a sense

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that you can win you might

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very well feel like the other one

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can't win at all cost and you're going

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to kill them in

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case they win and that's

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dangerous because then you put

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that out there and

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and you'll

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you could get dirty with

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it I see dirty tactics

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all the time with like well I can't let you

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win I see a lot of people come in

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bad faith because they don't want

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to let you win or even to

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like grant something or

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give grace somewhere I think

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the echo is still coming in again I don't know

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if it's okay

33:17.640 --> 33:18.600
you're working

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off the speakers aren't you

33:20.520 --> 33:22.520
I am but it never is an issue

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so Streamer it seems to be able

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to handle that I yeah I've got

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my volume a little bit down too but I'll just

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mute when you talk

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Nikesis someone said they already did the quiz

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that's awesome they got the nature child

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and then Nikesis said is it possible to have

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or be all the archetypes absolutely

33:37.900 --> 33:39.680
this is kind of the punchline

33:39.680 --> 33:41.960
of the heroes journey that

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you are on all places of the heroes

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journey at one time it's

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massively complicated because

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of that a must massively complex

33:49.720 --> 33:52.220
so the point of doing the quiz is to give

33:52.220 --> 33:54.160
you a point of entry a place to begin

33:54.160 --> 33:55.660
working where there might be a concentration

33:55.660 --> 33:58.280
of lost energy and gifts

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as well

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so anyway just wanted to throw that in

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and yeah that

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the state of neutrality is

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is kind of a fascinating one that's become

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part of our popular culture

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you know you don't

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pick a side that can be

34:14.220 --> 34:16.260
a very interesting position

34:17.340 --> 34:18.240
that often

34:18.240 --> 34:20.120
have you ever noticed this when you don't

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pick a side this might be more in the personal life

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I'm not not saying you should operate

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any different in your debate channel of course but

34:25.760 --> 34:28.220
when you don't pick a side say two friends

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start to war it out and you don't

34:30.160 --> 34:31.920
pick a side the neutral

34:31.920 --> 34:33.780
can also come with a high cost

34:34.720 --> 34:36.180
I've been in that place where you know

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I'm trying to straddle both worlds and

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and still love both of them

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and just keep praying they come together

34:42.140 --> 34:43.500
and then

34:43.500 --> 34:45.220
it can be that I'm out

34:45.980 --> 34:46.500
yep

34:47.560 --> 34:48.600
I get

34:48.600 --> 34:52.540
I feel like it and it's always going to be my fault

34:52.540 --> 34:53.960
right if I don't pick a side

34:53.960 --> 34:55.780
we just saw this happen actually

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where they presumed that I picked one

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side over the other

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because I didn't that's what it was

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this was a long time ago

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actually because I didn't

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uh

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speak up towards things that

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somebody was saying they presumed

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that I just agreed with it

35:14.120 --> 35:16.340
and it's like well I don't feel the need

35:16.340 --> 35:18.600
to speak I don't care what do I care

35:18.600 --> 35:20.340
like their opinions are theirs like

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what do I care to say

35:22.140 --> 35:24.300
anything against it it's it is what it is

35:24.300 --> 35:25.940
like other people were doing

35:25.940 --> 35:28.100
every if everybody else is already talking

35:28.100 --> 35:29.840
why do I feel the need to chime in

35:29.840 --> 35:32.320
right but they take silence

35:32.320 --> 35:34.140
as agreement to something

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that's being said

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and and it's

35:37.980 --> 35:38.840
that new that

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that's how I maintain my neutrality

35:41.620 --> 35:44.080
by just not diving in at all

35:44.080 --> 35:46.120
um but then they

35:46.120 --> 35:47.900
they see that as I just

35:47.900 --> 35:49.980
agree with whatever they're saying and it's like

35:49.980 --> 35:51.300
you can't

35:51.300 --> 35:53.780
you can't you can't win for

35:53.780 --> 35:55.480
losing in this aspect

35:55.480 --> 35:57.800
there's never a time or place where it's ever

35:57.800 --> 35:59.800
going to be a winning factor no matter

35:59.800 --> 36:01.680
what no matter what they appreciate

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that you're neutral but then

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that when they want you to take

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their side that then they're mad that

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you're not saying anything to the other side

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it's like

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you gotta pick one

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you gotta pick one

36:15.680 --> 36:17.720
so it I don't know it goes

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it goes left right center up down over

36:19.600 --> 36:21.520
and around all the time but usually

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everything's always my fault and I just accept it

36:24.480 --> 36:25.720
well there you go that's right

36:25.720 --> 36:26.960
kingly of you right that

36:26.960 --> 36:29.380
the king will assume responsibility

36:29.380 --> 36:31.120
for everything going on

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even though

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it might look like others are to

36:35.280 --> 36:37.060
blame but that's very different than

36:37.060 --> 36:39.280
responsibility where you're like okay well I called

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the debate I got all these people in here

36:41.500 --> 36:43.380
they're battling over my

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consent I

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I love that um you know

36:47.220 --> 36:48.860
if you if you don't pick a side then

36:49.380 --> 36:50.580
people get all

36:51.180 --> 36:53.200
up in arms and try to make you do

36:53.200 --> 36:54.920
that and and then silence

36:54.920 --> 36:57.420
this became very popular in the all law world

36:57.420 --> 36:59.040
that silence is acquiescence

36:59.620 --> 37:01.480
if you say nothing you are

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agreeing right

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yeah yeah and that's

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not always the case there's

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the warrior will

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pick their battles very carefully and say okay is

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this a place to lose energy

37:13.180 --> 37:15.620
yes and choosing wisely

37:15.980 --> 37:16.980
I'm a very

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I'm like in this comes

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down to that hole I don't have the time for this

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shit kind of thing right

37:23.420 --> 37:25.420
um pick your battles very

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wisely it's it

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in the aspect of debating

37:29.260 --> 37:31.320
uh like I try to

37:31.320 --> 37:33.300
choose and nitpick through what

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is most vital to me do I feel

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like engaging in having

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some fun do I feel like telling my

37:39.300 --> 37:41.340
opinion here or is it even worth

37:41.340 --> 37:43.360
it and sometimes I'm just like it's

37:43.360 --> 37:45.100
not worth the energy I'm just

37:45.100 --> 37:47.520
gonna give me a headache um so

37:47.520 --> 37:49.300
I'll let other people do that one out

37:49.300 --> 37:51.260
especially during during open panel that's

37:51.260 --> 37:53.340
the biggest portion but sometimes I feel

37:53.340 --> 37:55.400
like it's important to say

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you're stupid why are you

37:57.420 --> 37:59.380
thinking this you know um

37:59.380 --> 38:01.400
but most of the time it's

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just I'll save my energy

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for when someone else wants to get

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into the it and tango with

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someone else and that's where I have to

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put my energy into is making sure

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that they're mitigating through

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uh it gets it gets a little rough

38:15.320 --> 38:17.320
but but to the responsibility

38:17.320 --> 38:19.500
thing that's that's another big piece

38:19.500 --> 38:21.480
uh in terms of

38:21.480 --> 38:23.540
um like when people act

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out and have bad behavior

38:25.780 --> 38:27.680
on my show I'm expected

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to to

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shame chastise boot um

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get them out of here never let them on

38:33.360 --> 38:35.200
again and it's like but that's not

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my order right that may

38:37.480 --> 38:39.740
be your order but that's not my order

38:39.740 --> 38:41.800
um and I'll be blamed

38:41.800 --> 38:43.360
I'm always blamed for

38:43.360 --> 38:45.320
other people's bad behavior just

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because I'm allowing them to

38:47.460 --> 38:49.180
come back or uh

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whatever the case or I I didn't speak

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up fast enough for them

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uh so and that's just you just

38:55.220 --> 38:57.100
you have to accept that you have to

38:57.100 --> 38:59.420
accept that whatever bad behavior

38:59.420 --> 39:00.880
is going to be on my screen whatever

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interruptions whatever

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you know crazy off the

39:05.000 --> 39:06.900
wall things people say that will

39:06.900 --> 39:08.720
always fall on me no matter what and

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people always point it at me

39:10.780 --> 39:12.640
instead of the actual person that's doing

39:12.640 --> 39:14.820
the bad behavior and it's just like

39:14.820 --> 39:16.720
you got to take the hit

39:17.200 --> 39:18.800
all the time and you're always

39:18.800 --> 39:20.360
going to take the hit but that still

39:20.360 --> 39:22.140
stands with your principle of

39:22.560 --> 39:23.880
I allow you a platform

39:23.880 --> 39:26.680
to do or say what you need to

39:26.680 --> 39:28.600
do and I'm going

39:28.600 --> 39:30.360
to continue to do that even though

39:30.360 --> 39:32.320
you may be an idiot even though you may

39:32.320 --> 39:33.940
be in a butthole sometimes

39:34.540 --> 39:36.260
uh I'll still provide the

39:36.260 --> 39:38.260
space because that's who you

39:38.260 --> 39:39.940
are and I accept

39:39.940 --> 39:41.680
the fact that that's who you are

39:44.000 --> 39:45.320
right very good and

39:45.320 --> 39:46.720
I like the fact that

39:47.320 --> 39:49.380
I'm brand new to the debate space

39:49.380 --> 39:51.300
literally you know haven't tuned in with debates just

39:51.300 --> 39:53.280
a little bit on Ben's channel which I do recommend

39:53.280 --> 39:55.100
uh and the dogface

39:55.100 --> 39:57.300
deliberating dudes over there

39:57.300 --> 39:59.540
uh but in your system

39:59.540 --> 40:01.580
it's your chatters that

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there are people in your chat

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that actually are like

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can boot somebody out can be the

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reason if they send you a super chat and

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so that's really fun because that's more

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like nature

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you know and rather than

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I mean I wouldn't hold it against

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you if you just stood up

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and wielded your trident and

40:20.240 --> 40:22.160
and you were the like okay you're out of here

40:22.160 --> 40:23.960
that might be more like me actually

40:24.900 --> 40:25.880
but it's more

40:25.880 --> 40:28.220
I do my rule

40:28.220 --> 40:30.220
is if you start disrespecting me

40:30.220 --> 40:31.960
or if you break TOS

40:31.960 --> 40:33.980
I can do things that like are

40:33.980 --> 40:36.080
absolutely like we can't allow that on

40:36.080 --> 40:38.200
the space because it ruins everybody else's

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right um

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uh terms of service

40:41.900 --> 40:43.380
the the youtube guidelines

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uh if they say certain

40:45.340 --> 40:47.480
slurs or certain things that could get you

40:47.480 --> 40:49.220
your channel demonetized reported

40:49.220 --> 40:51.540
so on and so forth we can't have that

40:51.540 --> 40:53.180
right so when you break that

40:53.180 --> 40:55.580
uh you're automatic it's an automatic

40:55.580 --> 40:57.260
no we're not going to do this

40:57.260 --> 40:58.900
um but when

40:59.760 --> 41:00.880
when uh

41:00.880 --> 41:03.480
when you're disrespecting me if I'm

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telling you x y and z and you're just

41:05.080 --> 41:07.660
absolutely being a butt about it not listening

41:07.660 --> 41:09.800
whatever okay now now it's

41:09.800 --> 41:11.520
time to go because you're not respecting the

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platform and the space uh

41:13.580 --> 41:15.440
and it's time to go so that

41:15.440 --> 41:17.840
that's when I will directly speak up

41:17.840 --> 41:19.880
but but all of the other behaviors

41:19.880 --> 41:21.540
and stupid silly things you know

41:21.540 --> 41:23.640
you're right I leave it to the chat let the

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people vote let the people handle

41:25.660 --> 41:27.480
you the chat always wins and that's my

41:27.480 --> 41:29.240
role is because people will say

41:29.240 --> 41:31.660
who won the debate the chat the chat

41:31.660 --> 41:33.360
always wins they'll roast you there

41:33.360 --> 41:35.260
they are the ones who get to vote on

41:35.260 --> 41:36.840
stuff they are the ones who get to

41:36.840 --> 41:39.160
determine your endeavors

41:39.160 --> 41:41.480
and your your whether you lost

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or whatever the case may be

41:42.820 --> 41:44.860
they'll roast you they'll roast me

41:44.860 --> 41:47.380
um but they get to decide

41:47.380 --> 41:49.220
uh whether you

41:49.220 --> 41:51.180
should be on this screen or not and

41:51.180 --> 41:53.060
and I think that turning that over

41:53.060 --> 41:55.140
to the people number one it keeps my hands

41:55.140 --> 41:57.280
clean it keeps me neutral but number

41:57.280 --> 41:59.480
two it's what they want it's their show

41:59.480 --> 42:00.820
let them run it

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very good I love it yeah

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that's that's really cool

42:05.120 --> 42:07.100
people slur all the time yeah I notice

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there's been a little drinkin going on

42:09.040 --> 42:10.360
on the channel sometimes

42:11.040 --> 42:13.060
different uh occasions

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you could call it and

42:14.800 --> 42:16.640
that definitely is an influence

42:16.640 --> 42:17.860
do you notice

42:19.940 --> 42:21.300
like do you ever do themes

42:21.300 --> 42:22.980
where it's it's like alcohol

42:22.980 --> 42:25.200
or cannabis or

42:26.460 --> 42:27.420
psychedelics or something

42:27.420 --> 42:28.760
which keeps coming up so funny

42:28.760 --> 42:31.300
uh we used I used to do

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uh I I used to host

42:33.200 --> 42:35.280
four different series of streams

42:35.280 --> 42:37.240
um before I went straight

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to debate stuff

42:39.300 --> 42:41.160
um number one was the mod Monday

42:41.160 --> 42:43.260
uh then we have

42:43.260 --> 42:45.500
the throwdown Thursdays which originally started

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as roasted tomatoes where

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I would actually do a topic and talk

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about it and then I'd open the panel but

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I switched that into interviewing people after

42:53.360 --> 42:55.320
that and then that turned into

42:55.320 --> 42:57.080
throwdown Thursday where I would I

42:57.080 --> 42:58.720
obviously interview people

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they give us their thoughts

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and then the panel comes on and fights

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them so because it just kind of started becoming

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that so we started doing those um

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and then I did the sleepy tomato

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which has now made its comeback but then

43:10.340 --> 43:12.020
we did sipping streams

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sipping streams were always fun it was

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every Saturday night uh we just

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get cantankerous I'd have my two drinks

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and it was like

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open door policy welcome bring your own

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booze let's have some fun

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uh those went away

43:26.540 --> 43:28.060
obviously it got a little

43:28.060 --> 43:30.020
it because it wasn't

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focal pointed on debate we bring them back every

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once in a while but we've had people come

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on that are completely sloshed

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we've had people come on that are

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you know obviously stoned we had

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a guy last night that was on and he

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you know the way he was

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interjecting into the conversation was

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very uh irrelevant

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uh and I remember asking him at one

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point I'm like have you been drinking

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like are you high what's going on and

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he's again and like a beers and

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then this and that and it's like

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do me a favor and just shut up for the night

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like don't just don't talk just sit there and

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look pretty and shut up for the night because you are

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now wasting everybody's time

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um but

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maybe we have our funny moments and

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the idea is to kick back

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and lay back and and have a good

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open panel once we get to that

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point but during the debate I want them to

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be serious and on point and focal pointed but

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but the open panels it's kind

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of like come as you are have some fun

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kick off your shoes and uh have the

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conversation if you get cantankerous

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and we we can have some fun with

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it and make fun of you

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very good and do you know what Ben's referring

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to here trains eat the sound of humans

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to run or maybe that they're just chatting with themselves

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trains eat the sounds

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of humans

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to run

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uh

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not even a sentence I guess

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don't care you must be talking

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amongst themselves no problem I just thought there was

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some behind the scenes language that I

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would I want to know what the behind the scenes

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languages for that yeah

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exactly fill us in you guys

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so um

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yeah

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I'm curious about that whole

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neutrality because it's become popular

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culture now I'm not

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saying this is for you but if we can talk you know just

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in general around it it's become

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part of popular culture not to care

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so there's that book let them right

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if they're going to do XYZ then

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just let them

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you know if they're going to

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be uh drunk and belligerent

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let them to a point obviously

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you know again not not talking

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about you specifically but

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this um there's a certain freedom in it

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where you're not needing

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to run after every person to manage

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them to change their mind

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to save them as often

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the case right like oh you're in danger

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and I'm going to push you out of the way of that

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train that's coming if we talk trains

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and and then the

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the flip is that you

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don't care that you

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it's like hands off okay

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you want to run in front of a train you run

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in front of that train you just go

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ahead and do that I don't care

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uh you know there's a lot of

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podcasters they they talk about the

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whole

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agenda and the pandemic and all

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of the things that are coming down

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at us and they've decided

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not to care that they

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want to kill off

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the vast majority of the population

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on earth and and they just

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don't care so this is something

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I'm curious what you think

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but to me this is not a positive

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move actually

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what do you think? No I

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agree with you 110%

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for instance if I was watching

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a good friend of mine

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do something stupid I'm

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going to stop them I'm going to tell them

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don't do that now when it

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comes to people on the internet that's a whole

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another ball game I don't care like you

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have friends and family who should care

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about you you have friends and family who

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should be doing those things like that's up

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to you but people who are

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close to me people that matter I do

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care I do care to

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ensure

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that they're safe that they're being

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smart if they say something and I'm

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like dude that's nuts why would you

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even think that

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and I think that that's

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kind of where society's gotten

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is to a place of

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being so lax

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that we are letting our friends

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do bad things and I don't

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think we should be doing that if we walked

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around to our friends and family and give

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them a little knock upside the head every

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now and then most people would probably

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have their heads out of their asses instead of in

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however comma

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we're at this like

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live and let live concept

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we're at this point of

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allowing

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like

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best friends girlfriends where I

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where the girl starts

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dating a bad guy or something

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and the friend says well if he

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makes you happy no

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he's a bad guy he's like

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you know the drug lord

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or something crazy like no knock her

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upside her head and tell her to get out of that because that's

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not good for her

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I think we should

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carry some weight

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for the people we care about I think we

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should put our foot down

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and say no you're being stupid I think we

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should not let

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them now

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do I have control over

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some random person walking

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down the street no should I

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care to throw my opinions at them

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no that's for their family

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their inner circle their community

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to do so

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and and I think

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that

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I think

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we got into this weird place

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especially millennials I think

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like people my age where we

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we just we ice we went into

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isolation mode like this is mine

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this is this is all I care about

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anyone else do your thing where

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we forgot to

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take care of our family our friends we

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forgot to keep them on the track we

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forgot that that it's that support

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system that kept us on the tracks

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and that's where we got lost

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yeah really well said I like

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that

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that's interesting about the millennials

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and and that isolation mode that

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I think is a big part of that

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yeah it and it's tricky

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because

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I like I agree with what you're saying

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but say in a in a practical situation

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where you do see your girlfriend

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going out with the wrong guy

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and you tell her listen he's not good

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for you what's going to happen

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what's the outcome of that going to be

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great well

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well I

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think knowing and this

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goes back to people in the people

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knowing how your friend is and how

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they'll react or engage or

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respond to what you're saying

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I think that's the important part

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you know leading with care typically

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women should lead with care towards

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other women look I care about you

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and here's what I want to tell you

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and here's why if you

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go to a woman and say don't do

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that she's probably gonna rebel

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and say I'm a do it now anyways

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so understanding

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and knowing how to interact and engage

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with other people but if that

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person is your friend they're gonna put a

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lot of credibility to what you're telling

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them and they're probably gonna listen

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it may not be in that moment

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but it's gonna sit like inception like a

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little seed in their brain and as they start

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seeing things they're gonna be thinking even further

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but

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again you can't control the world

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but sometimes you

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have to cut loose

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but you know like

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let the bad apples roll down the hill

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if your friend is

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doing something that's absolutely terrible

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for them let's say even

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drugs right let's just use a really easy

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one if you have a friend that gets

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into drugs and you're trying to tell them don't

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do this you have to cut them

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off if they're not listening you have to

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because if not you're gonna keep enabling I

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won't be your friend if you do bad

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behavior therefore I'm going to

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let you I have to cut you loose because

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that is negative and I don't want that in

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my life and that usually

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is the bigger kind of smack

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in the head and when we when we

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remove ourselves from them remove

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access but

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even girlfriends like I think if

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if I

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tell girlfriend hey that

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guy's bad for you don't do it and then

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you know two weeks later she's like hey come

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hang out with us we're gonna go do it and I'm like no

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I I don't want anything to do with

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that she's gonna get the picture that

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your boyfriend bad

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I don't want to hang with boyfriend

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yeah yeah I get it

51:30.120 --> 51:31.960
so like here's the challenge

51:32.460 --> 51:34.240
we're in the nursery archetype right now

51:34.240 --> 51:36.180
if anyone doesn't realize this is all

51:36.180 --> 51:37.300
like when it comes to enabling

51:38.620 --> 51:39.580
and you know

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caring and and trying to interfere

51:41.820 --> 51:43.840
with people best you can

51:43.840 --> 51:45.800
out of love like you said

51:45.800 --> 51:47.980
you know lead lead with care

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right then that's if

51:49.840 --> 51:51.900
you can truly get to that place where you

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you care meaning the vibe

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is love you're not afraid for them

51:55.800 --> 51:57.940
you're not you know

51:57.940 --> 51:59.640
trying to control them

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make them a different person make

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them love someone different they

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will get that that's the unconscious

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language going on if you come at them with

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fear they're going to react to that

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and have something to push against and resist

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and if you come with love

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then it's much more

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palatable at least if you're

52:17.800 --> 52:19.500
say able to deliver tough love

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some relationships can stand that

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and some can't

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you know like I've got

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an aunt reaching out to me post-plandemic

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I've seen her once in six years and she's always

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oh I really want to see you

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and then she always cancels on me

52:33.660 --> 52:35.480
when the time comes I know I know

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it's it's kind of like oh because

52:37.360 --> 52:39.400
it would be nice to have some family connection

52:39.400 --> 52:41.620
but there's this

52:41.620 --> 52:43.360
you know and I when I

52:43.360 --> 52:45.420
if we really end up seeing each other

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in 12 days which is the next plan

52:47.440 --> 52:49.900
that isn't broken yet

52:49.900 --> 52:51.440
then it part of me

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is is going through this like I kind of want

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to deliver some kind of

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message and talk about

52:57.230 --> 52:59.180
rather than just sweep it all under the

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rug what happened there was some

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I'll be dramatic here there was some violence

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right like there was some some cuts

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not not like physical violence but

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right emotionally being

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being you know ostracized by

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a family that is

53:13.320 --> 53:15.500
you know quite extended and everything

53:15.500 --> 53:17.540
and then and then to just go on and

53:17.540 --> 53:19.260
pretend that didn't happen

53:19.260 --> 53:21.360
and nothing wrong happened

53:21.360 --> 53:23.600
like an ostrich kind of putting its head

53:23.600 --> 53:25.640
in the sand right right

53:25.640 --> 53:27.440
you know there's yeah I

53:27.440 --> 53:29.520
I'm working through that right now

53:29.520 --> 53:31.240
just how to do I just

53:31.240 --> 53:34.240
be I don't know

53:34.240 --> 53:35.540
some of the things I think are better

53:35.540 --> 53:36.480
left unsaid

53:36.480 --> 53:38.580
in action speak louder

53:38.580 --> 53:39.780
right so

53:40.400 --> 53:42.780
for instance one family member

53:43.380 --> 53:45.200
randomly cut me off or something

53:45.200 --> 53:47.240
but I still engage with another one

53:47.240 --> 53:48.680
I like

53:48.680 --> 53:51.100
that's what I care about is is engaging

53:51.100 --> 53:53.340
with that person even though something else

53:53.340 --> 53:55.300
happened I want to be a part

53:55.300 --> 53:56.720
of you I want to be here

53:57.380 --> 53:59.280
and your dealings with them are your

53:59.280 --> 54:01.180
own you know if

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they bring it up and want to talk about it

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you know I could still throw my opinion in there

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like I care about everyone or whatever

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and I don't want anybody to be cut off

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because we were stronger together

54:10.120 --> 54:13.000
but still like let the action

54:13.000 --> 54:14.840
speak in whatever

54:14.840 --> 54:17.000
way you want them to speak sometimes words

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just make it crazy

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yeah exactly yeah

54:20.980 --> 54:22.560
I still have some work to do about that

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yeah

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yeah let's see where do we want to go

54:27.000 --> 54:28.800
there was a comment here from Ben

54:28.800 --> 54:30.980
Odin says if you want to be happy do not

54:30.980 --> 54:31.940
be wise

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so yeah that one was the most one

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that's pretty good

54:34.760 --> 54:37.080
do not be wise

54:37.080 --> 54:39.720
yeah ignorance is bliss

54:39.720 --> 54:42.000
I've discovered that

54:42.620 --> 54:43.960
ignorance is bliss

54:43.960 --> 54:45.100
sometimes like

54:45.100 --> 54:47.620
with the quotations

54:47.620 --> 54:49.060
with quotations

54:49.060 --> 54:51.620
but there are instances where I'm like

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God I would so much of rather not

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know any of this

54:55.460 --> 54:57.520
it's like going to Disney World

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after you've already worked there for 10 years

54:59.940 --> 55:01.380
and you know all the behind the scenes

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stuff and it just takes away all the magic

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like I don't want to know everything

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I just want to just be bump

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be bump and go do the roller coasters

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and have my little lemonade out of a

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swirly straw and have some fun

55:13.540 --> 55:15.720
not knowing anything behind the scenes

55:15.720 --> 55:16.960
is going on sometimes

55:17.520 --> 55:19.560
it's just so much happier but when

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people like

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show you everything behind

55:23.460 --> 55:25.400
the scenes it's like ah

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that was not beneficial to me

55:27.140 --> 55:28.100
but

55:28.800 --> 55:30.320
wisdom does I mean

55:31.020 --> 55:33.480
it does help though too because then

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in a moment

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where you would

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love to just be happy and be bump along

55:39.020 --> 55:40.320
you're actually

55:40.320 --> 55:42.720
able to know and understand better

55:42.720 --> 55:45.060
why you can't be happy and be bump

55:45.060 --> 55:47.160
along and this is not a time to be bump

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along if that makes sense

55:48.880 --> 55:50.160
I don't know if that makes sense

55:51.020 --> 55:52.720
yeah I mean some things say

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it was just like you know

55:54.860 --> 55:56.340
that whole thing

55:56.340 --> 55:58.700
it's been a long slow trickle

55:58.700 --> 56:00.660
PTSD also for those that

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made it through I'm curious maybe I'll start

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with a question about this what happened

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for you in 2020 how did

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things shift and change

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for you at all what was going through your mind

56:10.820 --> 56:11.980
oh goodness

56:12.840 --> 56:14.780
that was very stressful

56:15.580 --> 56:16.820
the kids being

56:16.820 --> 56:18.540
brought like having to be

56:18.540 --> 56:20.540
at home it was right in the middle of

56:20.540 --> 56:22.420
tax season and I worked for a financial

56:22.420 --> 56:24.500
management firm at the time and tax season

56:24.500 --> 56:26.200
for us was I mean I was pulling

56:26.200 --> 56:27.940
80 hours a week like it was my job now

56:28.520 --> 56:30.260
thankfully I was already working from home

56:30.260 --> 56:32.300
to begin with but I was working

56:32.300 --> 56:33.820
from home and my kids were at school

56:33.820 --> 56:36.240
you know like they were pre-k

56:36.240 --> 56:37.220
or whatever and

56:38.260 --> 56:40.240
so I had the better

56:40.240 --> 56:42.380
capacity to do it without being

56:42.380 --> 56:42.900
interrupted

56:43.820 --> 56:46.400
and it was just a whirlwind I would

56:46.400 --> 56:48.340
say of I remember what it first

56:48.340 --> 56:49.860
happened it was like what mid-March

56:49.860 --> 56:51.900
that year and

56:52.620 --> 56:54.120
it was like

56:54.120 --> 56:56.300
what are we supposed to be expecting

56:56.300 --> 56:58.180
what is supposed to be happening like

56:58.180 --> 57:00.140
and you're seeing things get taken

57:00.140 --> 57:01.940
away slowly like

57:01.940 --> 57:04.180
one little piece at a first you

57:04.180 --> 57:06.360
can't do this now you can't do that now

57:06.360 --> 57:08.200
it has to be limited now it has to be a

57:08.200 --> 57:10.300
mass now now everything shut down now

57:10.300 --> 57:12.200
blah blah blah blah blah and

57:12.200 --> 57:14.420
it was miserable because it's like

57:14.420 --> 57:16.300
you don't know what else is

57:16.300 --> 57:18.040
next like what's next and

57:18.040 --> 57:20.360
I remember sitting there looking out the window

57:20.360 --> 57:22.140
one day and I'm like just bring

57:22.140 --> 57:24.220
on the zombie apocalypse let's at least

57:24.220 --> 57:26.220
make it fun and worth it like

57:26.220 --> 57:28.320
give me something interesting if I'm

57:28.320 --> 57:30.400
going to sit here and be pondering

57:30.400 --> 57:32.040
about the end of the world at least

57:32.040 --> 57:34.200
bring on the zombies and just get it

57:34.200 --> 57:34.860
over with

57:37.240 --> 57:38.320
yeah that's so fun

57:38.320 --> 57:40.200
you remind me of a friend I spoke with

57:40.200 --> 57:41.880
last few nights and

57:41.880 --> 57:44.340
they had prepped

57:44.340 --> 57:45.760
like crazy right just

57:46.240 --> 57:48.340
seeing the writing on the wall I had also started

57:48.340 --> 57:50.360
to prep before the plentymic really hit

57:50.360 --> 57:52.200
and and and then

57:52.200 --> 57:54.500
they got so far into it and had

57:54.500 --> 57:56.340
so much storage and we're running at

57:56.340 --> 57:58.320
a space and it may be saying like okay

57:58.320 --> 58:00.460
just bring it on already I want the end of the world

58:00.460 --> 58:02.040
the crash of the financial system

58:02.040 --> 58:04.020
the you know everybody dies

58:04.020 --> 58:06.500
let them just bring it on make it happen already

58:07.260 --> 58:07.980
I'm ready

58:08.640 --> 58:10.160
like this and be

58:10.160 --> 58:12.160
careful what you wish for but like did you

58:12.160 --> 58:14.140
did you drink the Kool-Aid for any amount of

58:14.140 --> 58:16.200
time for five minutes or three weeks or

58:16.200 --> 58:18.060
anything like that no I didn't think

58:18.060 --> 58:20.140
anything was that big of a deal to begin

58:20.140 --> 58:22.100
with it was scary in

58:22.100 --> 58:24.300
the beginning because you don't you didn't

58:24.300 --> 58:26.120
know what was going on and

58:26.120 --> 58:28.280
the information was like wait so there's

58:28.280 --> 58:30.280
this thing that's going around and people

58:30.280 --> 58:31.460
are getting sick okay

58:32.620 --> 58:34.100
tell me more right

58:34.100 --> 58:35.720
like what is actually happening

58:36.440 --> 58:38.200
and it just didn't feel like

58:38.200 --> 58:40.120
anybody was really knocking

58:40.120 --> 58:42.200
in the information it didn't feel like

58:42.200 --> 58:43.980
anything was really actually

58:43.980 --> 58:45.300
that bad happening

58:45.300 --> 58:47.600
and so it made it actually more frustrating

58:47.600 --> 58:48.880
because it's like why

58:49.680 --> 58:51.900
am I going through all of this if nothing's

58:51.900 --> 58:54.100
happening and that's why

58:54.100 --> 58:55.900
it's like just bring on the zombie so

58:55.900 --> 58:58.000
I could it could be worth all of this

58:58.000 --> 58:58.680
frustration

59:00.180 --> 59:02.120
but it was it was more

59:02.120 --> 59:02.740
like

59:03.880 --> 59:05.860
I don't feel I didn't feel like I drank

59:05.860 --> 59:07.840
the Kool-Aid I had to do what I had to

59:07.840 --> 59:09.380
do to make things work for

59:09.380 --> 59:12.020
you know me my husband the kids

59:12.020 --> 59:13.720
all of those things but it

59:13.720 --> 59:14.680
it wasn't

59:15.380 --> 59:17.940
it was like I'm being compliant

59:17.940 --> 59:19.740
to the degree to keep

59:19.740 --> 59:21.420
us safe from

59:21.420 --> 59:23.920
the government but I'm not being compliant

59:23.920 --> 59:25.900
because I want to be compliant at this

59:25.900 --> 59:27.740
point I just kind of have to

59:27.740 --> 59:28.540
make stuff work

59:29.600 --> 59:30.160
and

59:31.120 --> 59:33.440
I didn't I didn't believe anything

59:33.440 --> 59:35.760
I didn't feel like anything was really

59:35.760 --> 59:36.980
happening at all I

59:36.980 --> 59:38.080
felt like

59:38.820 --> 59:40.280
just felt like one big

59:41.300 --> 59:43.300
mess one big PR

59:43.300 --> 59:45.600
mess that nobody got the memo that hey

59:45.600 --> 59:47.340
it's really okay guys

59:49.120 --> 59:50.060
yeah that's great

59:50.060 --> 59:51.220
yeah I think that was

59:51.760 --> 59:53.300
because I had got into the

59:53.300 --> 59:55.480
would you consider yourself in the truth

59:55.480 --> 59:57.240
movement at all I know that the debate

59:57.240 --> 59:58.780
space is kind of its own world

59:58.780 --> 01:00:01.420
but do you consider yourself a truther

01:00:01.420 --> 01:00:02.620
or I know that

01:00:02.620 --> 01:00:04.580
I consider myself not giving

01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:06.700
a shit enough to put myself in any

01:00:06.700 --> 01:00:07.440
group

01:00:08.180 --> 01:00:10.000
by way of that I mean

01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:12.480
it doesn't matter

01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:14.540
whether we know the truth or not at this point

01:00:14.540 --> 01:00:16.520
what matters is I'm gonna get

01:00:16.520 --> 01:00:18.580
up I'm gonna go to work I'm gonna do what I have to

01:00:18.580 --> 01:00:19.800
do I'm gonna get things done

01:00:20.420 --> 01:00:22.440
I'm gonna take care of my kids I'm gonna feed

01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:24.320
my kids and eventually one day I'll

01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:25.180
pass away

01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:28.280
so whatever is the truth

01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.460
whatever is conspiracy whatever's going

01:00:30.460 --> 01:00:32.400
on behind closed doors whatever the

01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.380
government's planning it doesn't

01:00:34.380 --> 01:00:36.680
matter because it's nothing is happening

01:00:36.680 --> 01:00:38.420
right here right now in my home

01:00:38.420 --> 01:00:40.600
and I just have to I have

01:00:40.600 --> 01:00:42.240
to worry about us first

01:00:43.240 --> 01:00:44.360
and there's

01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.460
no amount of truth that's gonna come out

01:00:46.460 --> 01:00:48.700
that's gonna change anything we're doing right now

01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:50.580
even if you even

01:00:50.580 --> 01:00:52.220
if I accept all of the truth

01:00:52.220 --> 01:00:54.480
even if I accept that the you know

01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.740
they're hiding things or this is happening or whatever

01:00:57.500 --> 01:00:58.900
even accepting it

01:00:58.900 --> 01:01:00.860
it doesn't change anything

01:01:00.860 --> 01:01:01.440
for me

01:01:02.540 --> 01:01:04.860
and so do you I haven't noticed this yet

01:01:04.860 --> 01:01:06.580
come up but do you end up with

01:01:06.580 --> 01:01:08.280
normies on your on your

01:01:08.720 --> 01:01:10.440
debates that believe in a

01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:11.860
bogeyman virus and

01:01:12.740 --> 01:01:14.840
yeah we're all over the place

01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:16.880
we have and that's the great thing about

01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:18.800
the platform I'd say because we

01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:20.480
we pull communities

01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.120
from all sorts of different directions

01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:24.740
and with

01:01:24.740 --> 01:01:26.680
that comes many people

01:01:26.680 --> 01:01:28.640
who believe one thing

01:01:28.640 --> 01:01:30.420
don't believe another thing we have our conspiracy

01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:32.340
theories we have our truthers we have

01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:34.420
left right religious

01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:36.840
atheist we have

01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.360
them all over the place

01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:40.700
and that's but that's what makes it special

01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:42.640
you know so if there is

01:01:42.640 --> 01:01:44.640
a truth are on screen and there's

01:01:44.640 --> 01:01:46.360
a person who masks

01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:48.520
up still now

01:01:48.520 --> 01:01:48.880
today

01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:52.420
they have the conversation

01:01:52.420 --> 01:01:54.580
and you know you let them have

01:01:54.580 --> 01:01:56.340
the conversation but they're they're everywhere

01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:58.580
yeah yeah okay that's

01:01:58.580 --> 01:01:59.580
that's really cool

01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:02.480
let's see I just want to find a few

01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.680
comments Michelle said something

01:02:04.680 --> 01:02:06.400
happiness can be a waste of time

01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:08.440
and doesn't do much for true problem

01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.620
solving solutions so that's pretty wise

01:02:10.620 --> 01:02:13.400
happiness can be a waste of time

01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:14.660
and I won't do much

01:02:14.660 --> 01:02:16.660
for uh yeah I mean

01:02:16.660 --> 01:02:18.420
if your end goal is to just be happy

01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:20.560
um you're not

01:02:20.560 --> 01:02:22.780
you're not going to solve any problems

01:02:22.780 --> 01:02:24.780
actually because if I just wanted to

01:02:24.780 --> 01:02:26.860
focus on happiness well uh give me a

01:02:26.860 --> 01:02:28.840
beach a margarita and I'll just lay back

01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:30.220
for the rest of the day

01:02:30.780 --> 01:02:32.780
but I'm not solving any problems right I'm

01:02:32.780 --> 01:02:34.900
not taking care of anything that needs to be taken care

01:02:34.900 --> 01:02:37.440
of right exactly you won't

01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:38.840
create from there there's no

01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:40.700
pressure there's no you know you actually

01:02:40.700 --> 01:02:42.940
need some resistance or at least

01:02:43.560 --> 01:02:44.980
we often need

01:02:44.980 --> 01:02:46.820
resistance because I would do the same

01:02:46.820 --> 01:02:48.620
thing just be laying out on the beach

01:02:48.620 --> 01:02:50.840
and having a nice life no

01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:52.760
problem uh radical sobriety

01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.860
said that he was deep platform became

01:02:54.860 --> 01:02:57.020
radicalized yeah because he was speaking

01:02:57.020 --> 01:02:58.820
out radical sobriety

01:02:58.820 --> 01:03:00.920
because you were saying unpopular things

01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.940
um yeah

01:03:02.940 --> 01:03:03.780
we all

01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:06.960
experience I think at some level

01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:08.660
I that that's when the gauntlet

01:03:08.660 --> 01:03:10.700
came off for me speaking of gauntlet

01:03:10.700 --> 01:03:12.660
and from your show

01:03:12.660 --> 01:03:14.840
is that is that a separate channel by the way

01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.240
the gauntlet okay all right yeah channel

01:03:17.240 --> 01:03:18.760
uh it houses

01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:20.380
the open panels uh

01:03:20.380 --> 01:03:22.520
I'll start on raging tomato and then we'll

01:03:22.520 --> 01:03:24.620
raid over to the gauntlet and that just keeps

01:03:24.620 --> 01:03:26.800
the debate separate and the open

01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:27.920
panel separate because

01:03:28.640 --> 01:03:30.820
we again it's an open door and I don't

01:03:30.820 --> 01:03:32.680
know who's gonna be stepping on stage

01:03:32.680 --> 01:03:34.760
next uh so to keep

01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.820
the original debate safe and the

01:03:36.820 --> 01:03:38.660
original channel safe uh

01:03:38.660 --> 01:03:40.560
we maneuver over to the gauntlet and that way

01:03:40.560 --> 01:03:42.460
if something happens I can just dump the video

01:03:42.460 --> 01:03:44.320
and not not be too

01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:46.720
is concerned about

01:03:46.720 --> 01:03:48.780
it that's cool yeah

01:03:48.780 --> 01:03:50.320
um both ben and I were

01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:52.180
platformed I lost my youtube channel

01:03:52.720 --> 01:03:54.700
and lots of people got their youtube channel

01:03:54.700 --> 01:03:56.740
back but they they said

01:03:56.740 --> 01:03:58.520
no when I went and like pretty

01:03:58.520 --> 01:04:00.580
please I'll be good and everything

01:04:00.580 --> 01:04:02.800
laced at all the right things and they're like no

01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:04.580
you you don't

01:04:04.580 --> 01:04:06.020
deserve it you're

01:04:06.020 --> 01:04:08.780
that is that is strange to me

01:04:08.780 --> 01:04:10.500
that that because

01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:12.780
especially for Americans

01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:14.680
and I believe you're Canadian right

01:04:14.680 --> 01:04:15.940
you're up in Canada

01:04:15.940 --> 01:04:18.400
but for Americans

01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:20.720
it's like this is who we

01:04:20.720 --> 01:04:22.360
are we allow

01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.180
uh people to

01:04:24.180 --> 01:04:26.720
have the freedom of speech whether it's

01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:28.100
right wrong off center

01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.640
even even misinformation it doesn't

01:04:30.640 --> 01:04:32.740
matter if if I want to say

01:04:32.740 --> 01:04:34.540
it I'm gonna say it but obviously

01:04:34.540 --> 01:04:36.680
youtube has a different policy for that

01:04:36.680 --> 01:04:38.560
but but it's still it's

01:04:38.560 --> 01:04:40.480
just it's strange that we would

01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:41.740
mask

01:04:42.340 --> 01:04:43.400
or I'm sorry

01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:44.900
censor people's

01:04:46.100 --> 01:04:47.720
speech for purposes

01:04:47.720 --> 01:04:49.560
of what they believe it's

01:04:49.560 --> 01:04:51.640
misinformation it's strange to me

01:04:51.640 --> 01:04:53.820
mm-hmm yeah no it got really out of hand

01:04:53.820 --> 01:04:54.200
I remember

01:04:55.520 --> 01:04:57.120
getting strikes for

01:04:57.660 --> 01:04:59.700
the nail in the coffin for me was talking

01:04:59.700 --> 01:05:01.520
about controlled opposition do you ever

01:05:01.520 --> 01:05:03.360
consider think about that or

01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.520
maybe like do you end up with those

01:05:05.520 --> 01:05:07.260
kind of people in the debate space have you

01:05:07.260 --> 01:05:09.620
ever been able to identify oh there's

01:05:09.620 --> 01:05:11.500
a well-poisoner

01:05:11.500 --> 01:05:11.840
or

01:05:13.140 --> 01:05:13.780
people

01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.720
what do you mean by controlled opposition

01:05:18.620 --> 01:05:19.920
so in every war

01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:21.240
there is the

01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:23.500
um outright

01:05:23.500 --> 01:05:24.740
opposition you could call

01:05:24.740 --> 01:05:28.000
I'll use the word us those who stood up

01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:29.500
and said no there's

01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:31.720
you can't force me to

01:05:31.720 --> 01:05:33.540
put a poison injection in my body

01:05:33.540 --> 01:05:35.620
you can't you know tell

01:05:35.620 --> 01:05:37.540
me what to do you have no authority show me

01:05:37.540 --> 01:05:39.240
the law and

01:05:39.240 --> 01:05:41.640
so that's the obvious opposition

01:05:41.640 --> 01:05:43.460
and so they manufacture

01:05:43.460 --> 01:05:45.320
as a that

01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:47.680
is fueled by a propaganda machine they

01:05:47.680 --> 01:05:49.400
manufacture a controlled

01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:51.440
opposition so they appear

01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.340
to be the opposition they

01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:55.800
they have the narrative of the opposition

01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:56.940
which they harvest

01:05:57.510 --> 01:05:59.540
the words that you can literally

01:05:59.540 --> 01:06:01.120
tell see how they were

01:06:01.120 --> 01:06:03.520
picking up our on our dialogue and then

01:06:03.520 --> 01:06:04.380
spreading it out

01:06:04.380 --> 01:06:06.160
they don't get

01:06:06.160 --> 01:06:07.900
censored they have large

01:06:07.900 --> 01:06:09.920
audiences they often

01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.120
are fear porn spreaders

01:06:12.120 --> 01:06:13.960
they might have you know

01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.020
80 to 90% of what they're

01:06:16.020 --> 01:06:17.920
saying is true and then they take you

01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:19.620
sideways on some very key

01:06:20.160 --> 01:06:21.760
10% kind of points

01:06:22.300 --> 01:06:24.080
to maintain certain things

01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:26.080
in place like a big lot of the controlled

01:06:26.080 --> 01:06:28.000
opposition will was

01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:29.720
pushing that the

01:06:29.720 --> 01:06:32.020
the boogeyman virus is a

01:06:32.020 --> 01:06:33.620
bioweapon engineered

01:06:33.620 --> 01:06:35.320
in a lab well

01:06:35.720 --> 01:06:37.760
you know to the best of my knowledge

01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:39.820
and research that's a pile of crap

01:06:39.820 --> 01:06:41.920
and what it does is it holds

01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:43.780
germ theory in place

01:06:43.780 --> 01:06:45.260
as if germs are

01:06:45.260 --> 01:06:47.800
the sole cause of disease therefore

01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:49.880
we are always going

01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:52.040
to need to be saved

01:06:52.040 --> 01:06:53.520
from this

01:06:53.520 --> 01:06:55.760
you know whether it's germ warfare

01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:57.960
or just you know nature's more

01:06:57.960 --> 01:06:59.680
fair then

01:06:59.680 --> 01:07:01.560
that whole paradigm what it meant is

01:07:01.560 --> 01:07:03.660
they could have planned demict us into

01:07:03.660 --> 01:07:05.840
the future indefinitely

01:07:06.600 --> 01:07:08.160
right but if you dismantle

01:07:08.160 --> 01:07:09.680
that whole paradigm then

01:07:09.680 --> 01:07:11.640
people are like no I get sick

01:07:11.640 --> 01:07:14.020
because I'm toxic and deficient

01:07:14.020 --> 01:07:16.020
right two reasons

01:07:16.780 --> 01:07:17.660
right and

01:07:17.660 --> 01:07:19.660
and you know they can poison us

01:07:19.660 --> 01:07:20.940
that's that's more or less what the

01:07:20.940 --> 01:07:23.140
strategy is so

01:07:23.680 --> 01:07:25.320
then that yeah the controlled

01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:27.060
opposition are out there making sure

01:07:27.060 --> 01:07:28.740
those paradigms don't die

01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.540
the ones that power hinges

01:07:32.900 --> 01:07:34.640
on especially medical tyranny

01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:37.020
I did a whole

01:07:37.020 --> 01:07:38.980
I mean I would say even

01:07:38.980 --> 01:07:41.120
in the debate space you have people that

01:07:41.120 --> 01:07:42.720
will like

01:07:42.720 --> 01:07:44.240
it's easy to twist words

01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:46.160
and shift gears

01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:48.680
without people realizing it's happening

01:07:48.680 --> 01:07:49.740
live

01:07:50.660 --> 01:07:52.960
and they don't even realize it till after they

01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:54.680
go back and listen

01:07:54.680 --> 01:07:56.520
and then they're like oh crap they

01:07:56.520 --> 01:07:59.020
did it to me like they redirected

01:07:59.020 --> 01:08:00.700
me and I didn't even realize what they were

01:08:00.700 --> 01:08:02.800
doing but yeah we have a lot

01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:04.680
of well poisoning a lot of

01:08:04.680 --> 01:08:06.700
controlling the narrative a lot of a lot

01:08:06.700 --> 01:08:08.640
of that happens in the debate space you just have to

01:08:08.640 --> 01:08:10.680
be smart enough to know that it's happening when

01:08:10.680 --> 01:08:12.800
it is that's the only way to combat

01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:13.500
it honestly

01:08:15.160 --> 01:08:16.640
yeah it'd be interesting is anyone

01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:17.780
called anyone out

01:08:17.780 --> 01:08:20.320
and openly called them controlled

01:08:20.320 --> 01:08:22.160
opposition or anything like that

01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:24.200
yeah

01:08:24.200 --> 01:08:26.200
but then if you're good at controlling

01:08:26.200 --> 01:08:27.540
the narrative you can just spin it

01:08:27.540 --> 01:08:30.260
you can gaslight your way through a debate

01:08:30.260 --> 01:08:31.020
very easily

01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:32.320
totally not that hard

01:08:32.320 --> 01:08:35.060
not at all

01:08:35.660 --> 01:08:37.260
Alex Jones says

01:08:37.260 --> 01:08:40.140
a few true things and he always gets

01:08:40.140 --> 01:08:41.800
me it's funny because I've been watching him on

01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:44.000
Luke's stories channel that I did an interview

01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:46.360
on in Texas last year I guess

01:08:46.360 --> 01:08:48.380
and the first parts of the conversation

01:08:48.380 --> 01:08:49.920
you must know Alex Jones

01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:51.860
say he's I know the name

01:08:51.860 --> 01:08:53.840
I know the name okay so yeah he's a big

01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:55.780
figure in the truth telling world

01:08:55.780 --> 01:08:57.940
he could some people might call him a grandfather

01:08:57.940 --> 01:08:59.540
along with Freeman

01:09:00.700 --> 01:09:01.220
and

01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:03.800
so the first parts of his

01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:05.820
conversation I always lean into him and I'm

01:09:05.820 --> 01:09:07.860
like oh he's a nice guy he's like a real

01:09:07.860 --> 01:09:09.760
human being there's something and then

01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:11.940
the second and you know if

01:09:11.940 --> 01:09:13.080
there's like a third hour

01:09:13.080 --> 01:09:15.980
it ramps up it gets into the whole

01:09:15.980 --> 01:09:17.740
fear porn the adrenaline

01:09:17.740 --> 01:09:19.780
the jumping up and down on the

01:09:19.780 --> 01:09:21.600
desk and telling you where you're going to

01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:23.680
die and all this kind of stuff

01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:24.420
and that's to me

01:09:25.660 --> 01:09:27.940
that's the drama

01:09:27.940 --> 01:09:29.720
capture though that's how you

01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.020
harness the audience

01:09:32.020 --> 01:09:33.920
right you're appealing to their

01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:35.800
emotions in order to make them want

01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:37.640
to keep coming back to your information

01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:39.620
so staying on a

01:09:39.620 --> 01:09:41.240
same level up front

01:09:41.240 --> 01:09:43.780
like you know here's the information here's what you

01:09:43.780 --> 01:09:45.700
need to know but you're going to die

01:09:45.700 --> 01:09:47.440
and then they're like oh my god

01:09:47.440 --> 01:09:48.940
I have to come back tomorrow to get more

01:09:48.940 --> 01:09:51.600
you know that's immediate

01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:52.440
it's finest

01:09:53.460 --> 01:09:55.440
exactly yeah they're playing on the

01:09:55.440 --> 01:09:57.400
addictions they know that fear sells

01:09:58.100 --> 01:09:59.060
and keeps

01:09:59.480 --> 01:10:00.740
people magnetized

01:10:01.480 --> 01:10:03.700
so yeah that's and I call those

01:10:03.700 --> 01:10:05.700
guys that jump up and down on the desk clowns

01:10:06.460 --> 01:10:07.600
right they got a

01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:09.280
show and they're like oh

01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:10.580
look at me I'm a weirdo

01:10:10.580 --> 01:10:12.060
and they

01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:12.600
and they

01:10:14.400 --> 01:10:15.940
discredit the whole entire

01:10:15.940 --> 01:10:16.800
movement

01:10:18.020 --> 01:10:19.860
right if they're like

01:10:19.860 --> 01:10:20.580
that then

01:10:22.420 --> 01:10:23.620
what do you call

01:10:23.620 --> 01:10:25.800
sullies the water is that the expression

01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:27.920
sullies muddy the water

01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.140
muddy thank you yeah I don't know

01:10:30.140 --> 01:10:31.600
so bad at expressions

01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:34.040
I was asking chat GPT last night what

01:10:34.040 --> 01:10:36.020
some expression meant and there's like there's no

01:10:36.020 --> 01:10:38.220
expression like that I'm like okay I made it up

01:10:39.060 --> 01:10:39.660
I

01:10:40.160 --> 01:10:41.800
well yeah that's like

01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:44.400
that's like a dad getting a dad

01:10:44.400 --> 01:10:46.060
joke wrong or something right to

01:10:46.060 --> 01:10:48.160
do expressions yeah

01:10:48.160 --> 01:10:49.920
yeah pretty good

01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:52.180
and I'd be curious

01:10:52.180 --> 01:10:53.840
this is totally tongue in cheek here

01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.360
but I'd be curious if you ever had

01:10:56.360 --> 01:10:57.280
a group that would

01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:59.800
debate on psychedelics

01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:02.600
while they're on psychedelics

01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:04.520
or debate about psychedelics

01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:06.200
could be could be both but

01:11:06.200 --> 01:11:08.260
the the more interesting

01:11:08.260 --> 01:11:10.160
one would be

01:11:10.160 --> 01:11:10.700
on

01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:13.960
uh like

01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:15.680
the topic is psychedelics

01:11:16.200 --> 01:11:18.260
no no that they would be

01:11:18.260 --> 01:11:20.260
on it maybe they could debate psychedelics

01:11:20.260 --> 01:11:22.200
while being on psychedelics

01:11:22.200 --> 01:11:24.180
so they are they are tripping

01:11:24.180 --> 01:11:25.680
and debating see

01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:26.140
right

01:11:26.140 --> 01:11:32.160
right uh yeah

01:11:32.160 --> 01:11:33.480
I mean goodness

01:11:33.480 --> 01:11:35.180
uh I've thought of

01:11:35.180 --> 01:11:37.280
the idea of like doing a drunk debate

01:11:37.280 --> 01:11:39.500
for funsies uh so

01:11:39.500 --> 01:11:41.440
I mean why not throw in psychedelics

01:11:41.440 --> 01:11:43.400
like I don't even

01:11:43.400 --> 01:11:45.480
know if I don't know because then you

01:11:45.480 --> 01:11:47.480
get to a point where you're trying to

01:11:47.480 --> 01:11:49.080
get through a cover I don't know I

01:11:49.080 --> 01:11:50.940
would probably have to be the only

01:11:51.340 --> 01:11:52.380
one who is not

01:11:53.820 --> 01:11:55.640
inebriated to whatever degree

01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.720
to make sure like hey you good man

01:11:59.360 --> 01:12:01.520
right exactly it could get fun

01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:03.500
it could get fun I think that could

01:12:03.500 --> 01:12:05.500
be very very interesting because a lot

01:12:05.500 --> 01:12:06.740
of the veils come down

01:12:07.380 --> 01:12:09.480
and uh I think my psychedelic days are

01:12:09.480 --> 01:12:11.120
over I mean it's behind me I

01:12:11.120 --> 01:12:13.240
don't I'm not hungry for that anymore I find

01:12:13.240 --> 01:12:15.660
the world plenty psychedelic now that

01:12:15.660 --> 01:12:17.020
you know the real the real world

01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:19.380
but uh yeah I think that I think

01:12:19.380 --> 01:12:21.140
that would be so interesting that you

01:12:21.140 --> 01:12:23.000
see a really different side of people

01:12:23.360 --> 01:12:25.720
there's it's hard to run a persona

01:12:26.280 --> 01:12:27.180
you know we all

01:12:27.180 --> 01:12:29.720
kind of protect behind their personality

01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:31.800
and doing this we don't

01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:33.860
really want anyone to see you and

01:12:33.860 --> 01:12:35.740
uh compared to booze that

01:12:35.740 --> 01:12:38.200
it it dissolves

01:12:38.200 --> 01:12:39.540
your boundaries

01:12:39.540 --> 01:12:41.720
and people think that's a good

01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:43.780
thing but there's

01:12:43.780 --> 01:12:45.820
something just so toxic about

01:12:45.820 --> 01:12:48.320
it I don't know I mean probably booze

01:12:48.320 --> 01:12:50.200
and psychedelics are equally toxic

01:12:50.200 --> 01:12:51.980
to the person ingesting them but

01:12:51.980 --> 01:12:53.460
there's something there's something different

01:12:53.460 --> 01:12:55.560
that can happen so I encourage

01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:57.660
you to or something

01:12:57.660 --> 01:12:59.780
like that I've never I've never

01:12:59.780 --> 01:13:01.240
done like any type of

01:13:01.240 --> 01:13:03.340
psychedelics uh I mean

01:13:03.340 --> 01:13:05.740
any type of I don't like

01:13:05.740 --> 01:13:07.220
being out of

01:13:07.220 --> 01:13:09.760
control of my body if that

01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:11.620
makes sense and I don't like the feeling

01:13:11.620 --> 01:13:13.040
of being high or

01:13:13.660 --> 01:13:15.300
not knowing or

01:13:15.300 --> 01:13:16.380
or

01:13:17.420 --> 01:13:19.180
not being of us of a

01:13:19.180 --> 01:13:21.680
you know I'm in my mindset and this is who

01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:23.600
I am I never liked that

01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:25.640
or enjoyed it uh so

01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:27.300
psychedelics would actually scare me

01:13:27.300 --> 01:13:28.560
because I wouldn't want

01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.520
I wouldn't want to be I wouldn't want it to be

01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:33.380
so open and doing whatever it feels like

01:13:33.380 --> 01:13:35.240
doing in that aspect uh

01:13:35.240 --> 01:13:37.440
it's a lot of people have explained to me

01:13:37.440 --> 01:13:39.140
about like doing uh like

01:13:39.140 --> 01:13:41.380
shrooms or whatever and I'm like

01:13:41.380 --> 01:13:43.620
that sounds great for you that sounds

01:13:43.620 --> 01:13:45.460
scary that's a scary thought for me

01:13:45.460 --> 01:13:47.400
I'm in my own head and I don't even

01:13:47.400 --> 01:13:49.160
want that place to be open

01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:51.080
or

01:13:51.080 --> 01:13:53.560
or exposing any other

01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:55.540
like new things it's it's a

01:13:55.540 --> 01:13:57.600
scary thought and I I'm too

01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:59.580
I would say I'm too much of a

01:13:59.580 --> 01:14:00.520
control freak

01:14:01.280 --> 01:14:03.460
in a sense to to ever want

01:14:03.460 --> 01:14:05.220
to do that right right

01:14:05.220 --> 01:14:07.380
yeah it's one of those arenas um

01:14:07.380 --> 01:14:09.400
that you get out of

01:14:09.400 --> 01:14:11.700
your comfort zone again

01:14:11.700 --> 01:14:13.360
being that construct of

01:14:13.360 --> 01:14:15.500
who you think you are and when

01:14:15.500 --> 01:14:17.180
that construct dissolves

01:14:17.180 --> 01:14:19.600
it's extremely freeing

01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:21.560
it's very challenging because

01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:23.600
there's it's like well who am I

01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:25.540
and what do I have to hold on to and all

01:14:25.540 --> 01:14:27.440
these ideas that you have

01:14:27.440 --> 01:14:29.560
that make up your your psychic

01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:30.860
world they just like

01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:33.580
just not there anymore or they

01:14:33.580 --> 01:14:35.540
can warp and change and that really depends

01:14:35.540 --> 01:14:37.520
on the individual in that

01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:39.240
situation and it can also very much depend

01:14:39.240 --> 01:14:41.540
on the the nature of the substance

01:14:41.540 --> 01:14:43.660
and how much and

01:14:43.660 --> 01:14:45.440
you know the motive behind

01:14:45.440 --> 01:14:46.980
it to me I'm always a

01:14:47.440 --> 01:14:49.300
reader and and putting motive

01:14:49.300 --> 01:14:50.900
as a very important factor

01:14:50.900 --> 01:14:53.180
how what you're motivated from

01:14:53.180 --> 01:14:55.300
is going to color everything

01:14:55.300 --> 01:14:56.780
that you that you do

01:14:57.120 --> 01:14:59.320
like the whole ayahuasca journey

01:15:00.320 --> 01:15:01.440
um culture

01:15:01.440 --> 01:15:03.020
it's turned into a whole culture where

01:15:03.020 --> 01:15:04.900
people are doing these ceremonies all the time

01:15:04.900 --> 01:15:07.180
they're doing these medicine and

01:15:07.180 --> 01:15:08.880
uh you know that I felt like

01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:10.740
the medicines taught me

01:15:11.160 --> 01:15:13.100
their lessons I got the lessons

01:15:13.100 --> 01:15:15.040
that's I've always gone to it for

01:15:15.040 --> 01:15:17.060
education much more so than

01:15:17.060 --> 01:15:19.160
entertainment uh I don't

01:15:19.160 --> 01:15:20.980
really find it that entertaining

01:15:20.980 --> 01:15:22.980
but massively educating

01:15:22.980 --> 01:15:25.260
in in that you know

01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:27.040
just being able to see beyond the veil so

01:15:27.040 --> 01:15:29.220
I like uh I mean

01:15:29.220 --> 01:15:30.220
I like

01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:32.440
I enjoy

01:15:33.060 --> 01:15:35.120
growing uh like I said

01:15:35.120 --> 01:15:37.020
earlier education to me is very important

01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:39.040
important learning something new every day but I

01:15:39.040 --> 01:15:41.000
also like to know that

01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:43.160
I'm growing and changing and

01:15:43.160 --> 01:15:45.100
and figuring my own

01:15:45.100 --> 01:15:47.360
self out I like to be very aware

01:15:47.360 --> 01:15:48.740
of it I like to be very

01:15:49.580 --> 01:15:51.140
um like I want

01:15:51.140 --> 01:15:52.560
to be able to navigate it myself

01:15:53.160 --> 01:15:55.060
uh so the idea of

01:15:55.060 --> 01:15:56.760
allowing a substance to

01:15:57.980 --> 01:15:58.980
to open

01:15:58.980 --> 01:16:01.040
that up tells me that I wouldn't

01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:02.280
have been able to do it myself

01:16:03.060 --> 01:16:05.160
right and I want to be able to do it

01:16:05.160 --> 01:16:07.060
myself so it's up to me to be

01:16:07.060 --> 01:16:08.940
able to find

01:16:08.940 --> 01:16:11.100
those pieces and find that journey or

01:16:11.100 --> 01:16:13.160
figure out like am I

01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:15.260
am I doing what I need to do

01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:17.240
am I who I am am I a good person

01:16:17.240 --> 01:16:19.240
like I want to run that narrative

01:16:19.240 --> 01:16:20.860
in my own brain and let it

01:16:20.860 --> 01:16:23.240
uh filter through on its own

01:16:23.240 --> 01:16:24.840
mm-hmm yeah I hear you

01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:26.920
I would never try to convince anyone otherwise

01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:29.320
it would be dangerous and you'd blame me

01:16:29.320 --> 01:16:30.160
if it didn't go well

01:16:30.860 --> 01:16:32.900
that's so scary I didn't do that

01:16:32.900 --> 01:16:34.880
yeah what were you thinking

01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:36.340
I have been known to

01:16:36.340 --> 01:16:38.760
lead people down certain roads

01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:40.660
that might not always go well

01:16:40.660 --> 01:16:42.120
and uh yeah this

01:16:42.490 --> 01:16:44.660
it is it often is about

01:16:44.660 --> 01:16:46.400
control some people will say oh

01:16:46.400 --> 01:16:48.220
let go of control and I say

01:16:48.220 --> 01:16:50.320
I'll call bullshit on that you can't

01:16:50.320 --> 01:16:52.560
let go of control you can

01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:54.180
act out of control you can

01:16:54.180 --> 01:16:56.340
feel out of control you can be

01:16:56.340 --> 01:16:58.400
wanting control which is the

01:16:58.400 --> 01:16:59.980
programming that stops you from

01:16:59.980 --> 01:17:02.340
realizing you're actually in control

01:17:02.340 --> 01:17:04.080
but if you can navigate

01:17:04.570 --> 01:17:06.000
spaces and find yourself

01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:08.080
and and be you know find

01:17:08.080 --> 01:17:10.020
true authentic control

01:17:10.020 --> 01:17:12.300
in places where it's

01:17:12.300 --> 01:17:14.060
it feels out of control

01:17:14.060 --> 01:17:15.640
there there's a mastery that

01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:18.300
comes through that so I can relate to what Ben's saying there

01:17:18.300 --> 01:17:20.060
you know uh I did a

01:17:20.060 --> 01:17:22.000
hypnotherapy a few

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.020
years back and to me that was

01:17:24.020 --> 01:17:25.940
the best way uh to

01:17:25.940 --> 01:17:27.340
dive into my own little brain

01:17:28.080 --> 01:17:29.900
um and now I now

01:17:29.900 --> 01:17:32.120
I can create that so

01:17:32.120 --> 01:17:33.940
if I need to if I'm like

01:17:33.940 --> 01:17:35.120
man I'm just

01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:37.280
I'm in a crazy

01:17:37.280 --> 01:17:39.140
headspace I need to go back down to

01:17:39.140 --> 01:17:41.100
the pits of hell and figure out what's going

01:17:41.100 --> 01:17:43.300
on back there uh that's something

01:17:43.300 --> 01:17:45.060
I can do consciously

01:17:45.060 --> 01:17:46.780
on my own and

01:17:46.780 --> 01:17:48.900
and like go deep

01:17:48.900 --> 01:17:50.760
dive when I need to because

01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:53.200
I taught myself how to do that and

01:17:53.200 --> 01:17:54.900
I enjoyed the

01:17:54.900 --> 01:17:57.040
journey of doing that I guess I could

01:17:57.040 --> 01:17:59.060
say so being able to navigate that

01:17:59.060 --> 01:18:00.980
consciously now is

01:18:00.980 --> 01:18:02.740
is even more

01:18:02.740 --> 01:18:04.660
uh it's like

01:18:04.660 --> 01:18:06.760
I discovered a door back there

01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:08.840
in the back of my brain that now I have a key

01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:10.760
to all the time and I could just

01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:12.320
go in it when I need to and I think that

01:18:12.320 --> 01:18:14.100
to me being able to do that

01:18:14.740 --> 01:18:16.680
without having to do anything to get there

01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:18.700
is I think

01:18:18.700 --> 01:18:19.720
that's more valuable

01:18:21.420 --> 01:18:22.760
yes absolutely not

01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:24.700
to rely on any substances and not to

01:18:24.700 --> 01:18:26.480
suffer the toxicity because that's

01:18:26.480 --> 01:18:28.480
that's like one of the main reasons if it was

01:18:28.480 --> 01:18:30.560
free meaning there was no cost

01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.620
to the body there I might have

01:18:32.620 --> 01:18:34.540
more um interest

01:18:34.540 --> 01:18:36.560
but it's it's not free at all

01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:38.200
and frankly the

01:18:38.200 --> 01:18:40.500
you just get lessons and

01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:42.200
and lessons aren't learning

01:18:42.200 --> 01:18:44.620
right you just you

01:18:44.620 --> 01:18:46.560
just get like here's what you need to work

01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:48.260
on okay well got it

01:18:48.260 --> 01:18:50.660
now I need to go work on it right

01:18:50.660 --> 01:18:52.860
right so the information thanks for the tip

01:18:52.860 --> 01:18:54.940
thanks for the tip thanks for the tip

01:18:54.940 --> 01:18:56.840
again oh thanks for the same tip

01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:58.680
again I started noticing

01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:00.740
these kind of patterns so it's like yeah I don't need to go back

01:19:00.740 --> 01:19:02.680
to any medicines to to teach me

01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:04.760
again that makes sense so I appreciate

01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:06.640
what you're talking about but this is

01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.060
surely for the uh entertainment

01:19:10.120 --> 01:19:10.640
of

01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:12.760
you know just watching the debate space and people

01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:14.700
people put themselves in those

01:19:14.700 --> 01:19:16.820
situations and it is

01:19:16.820 --> 01:19:18.560
um it can be compelling

01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:20.640
right like to just watch them

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:22.640
fly it's it's a sort of

01:19:23.200 --> 01:19:24.580
improvisation right that

01:19:24.580 --> 01:19:26.500
no one has any idea

01:19:26.500 --> 01:19:28.540
necessarily what's going to come

01:19:28.540 --> 01:19:30.700
out of their mouth or anybody else's

01:19:30.700 --> 01:19:32.560
mouth it doesn't have it's

01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:34.660
not scripted and

01:19:34.660 --> 01:19:36.840
um it can be very powerful

01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:38.580
for the same reason you know

01:19:38.580 --> 01:19:40.580
psychedelics totally is I don't tell you

01:19:40.580 --> 01:19:42.560
why I had that on the mind by the way but

01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:44.760
um you get to see

01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:46.000
what's inside of you

01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:48.420
and you

01:19:48.420 --> 01:19:50.700
sometimes you don't see that until

01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:51.960
there's

01:19:52.500 --> 01:19:54.640
some action right if you're

01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:56.920
just in your own world and it's predictable

01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:58.300
and you're interacting

01:19:58.300 --> 01:20:00.660
with people that you have more of a routine

01:20:00.660 --> 01:20:02.480
around your interaction

01:20:02.480 --> 01:20:04.280
like with family and that kind of thing

01:20:04.280 --> 01:20:06.180
but you throw yourself into

01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:07.620
an arena and

01:20:07.620 --> 01:20:10.220
um sometimes something comes up

01:20:10.220 --> 01:20:12.680
out of you that have you ever noticed

01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:14.380
people are like

01:20:14.380 --> 01:20:16.240
have literally been surprised at

01:20:16.240 --> 01:20:17.900
themselves they probably wouldn't reveal that

01:20:17.900 --> 01:20:19.080
in a debate space

01:20:19.700 --> 01:20:21.520
that's not a very good question I don't know

01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:22.060
um

01:20:22.820 --> 01:20:24.360
I don't know I mean

01:20:24.360 --> 01:20:26.580
have you ever been shocked what came up

01:20:26.580 --> 01:20:28.860
out of you in terms of

01:20:29.370 --> 01:20:30.140
in conversation

01:20:30.140 --> 01:20:32.760
like in the debate space in

01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:33.840
online

01:20:35.740 --> 01:20:37.480
sometimes I'm surprised

01:20:37.480 --> 01:20:39.040
at my level of patience

01:20:40.120 --> 01:20:40.740
like

01:20:41.580 --> 01:20:42.200
I

01:20:42.200 --> 01:20:45.200
and it's funny that it's patients

01:20:45.200 --> 01:20:47.280
because that's the one thing I always felt

01:20:47.280 --> 01:20:48.180
I lacked in

01:20:48.180 --> 01:20:50.200
um and that's something that

01:20:50.200 --> 01:20:52.160
probably over the last five years

01:20:52.160 --> 01:20:54.140
I've been trying to work on

01:20:54.140 --> 01:20:56.240
being more patient with

01:20:56.240 --> 01:20:58.320
people again and again and again

01:20:58.320 --> 01:20:59.980
and I don't feel like I have

01:20:59.980 --> 01:21:01.340
that ability

01:21:01.340 --> 01:21:03.480
then I keep hearing it all the time like

01:21:03.480 --> 01:21:05.520
you have the patience of an angel you know

01:21:06.180 --> 01:21:08.100
um but I think because I'm always working

01:21:08.100 --> 01:21:09.660
on it right and so I'm

01:21:10.160 --> 01:21:11.120
actively pursuing

01:21:11.120 --> 01:21:14.160
to give a level of patience that I need

01:21:14.160 --> 01:21:16.300
and sometimes I do surprise myself

01:21:16.300 --> 01:21:17.980
with my ability to

01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:20.220
you know because some people

01:21:20.220 --> 01:21:21.940
hear things that people say

01:21:21.940 --> 01:21:23.940
on my screen or to me or whatever

01:21:23.940 --> 01:21:26.320
and they're like how are you just

01:21:26.940 --> 01:21:27.420
chill

01:21:27.420 --> 01:21:29.820
when they say stuff like that to you

01:21:29.820 --> 01:21:31.120
and it's like

01:21:32.480 --> 01:21:33.940
like what do I care

01:21:33.940 --> 01:21:35.400
it's just some dude on a screen

01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:38.220
you know they're not hurting me

01:21:38.220 --> 01:21:39.520
they're not here with my children

01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:40.980
they don't sit at my dinner table

01:21:40.980 --> 01:21:44.120
but I think that I still surprise

01:21:44.120 --> 01:21:46.020
myself in having that

01:21:46.020 --> 01:21:47.380
attitude towards it

01:21:48.030 --> 01:21:49.040
and even

01:21:49.040 --> 01:21:51.760
being able to grant myself the ability

01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:52.300
to

01:21:52.300 --> 01:21:55.620
woosa internally and not react

01:21:55.620 --> 01:21:57.940
because I'm a very reactive I'm a very

01:21:57.940 --> 01:21:58.860
reactive person

01:22:00.080 --> 01:22:01.820
like uh I think my temper

01:22:01.820 --> 01:22:03.980
has been probably one of the things

01:22:03.980 --> 01:22:05.900
my parents would say like oh like

01:22:05.900 --> 01:22:07.760
don't piss off Sarah I shouldn't hurt

01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:09.360
temper like careful so go

01:22:09.870 --> 01:22:12.060
mad apeshit but you don't see

01:22:12.060 --> 01:22:13.860
a lot of that here on the screen a lot

01:22:13.860 --> 01:22:15.740
of people probably wouldn't even think I have a temper

01:22:15.740 --> 01:22:16.440
at all but

01:22:17.580 --> 01:22:18.960
except raging tomato

01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:20.900
except the raging tomato

01:22:21.340 --> 01:22:23.220
that's not even why I got my name

01:22:24.300 --> 01:22:25.940
okay I want to go into that but let's

01:22:25.940 --> 01:22:27.700
talk patience for a few more minutes here

01:22:27.700 --> 01:22:29.760
about uh the one thing I learned

01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:32.060
about patience is don't pray for it

01:22:32.060 --> 01:22:33.040
you know why

01:22:34.160 --> 01:22:35.820
because that makes you more impatient

01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:37.900
because it'll bring in

01:22:37.900 --> 01:22:39.560
circumstances where you're going to need

01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:40.060
patience

01:22:41.620 --> 01:22:42.120
oh

01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:44.880
same thing we don't pray for strength because

01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:47.140
you're going to attract situations where

01:22:47.140 --> 01:22:49.460
you need to come up with strength you think

01:22:49.460 --> 01:22:51.480
you don't have and you'll show it to

01:22:51.480 --> 01:22:53.500
yourself because ultimately we don't lack

01:22:53.500 --> 01:22:54.840
patience we don't lack

01:22:55.410 --> 01:22:57.420
strength we just

01:22:58.220 --> 01:22:59.200
don't see it

01:22:59.200 --> 01:23:00.720
we haven't been testing it

01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:01.980
we haven't been testing it

01:23:03.500 --> 01:23:05.240
unless you want to be tested

01:23:05.240 --> 01:23:07.460
yeah I mean I always just looked at

01:23:07.460 --> 01:23:09.220
uh there was there's a lady that lives

01:23:09.220 --> 01:23:10.400
in my neighborhood who I was

01:23:10.400 --> 01:23:12.080
fairly good friends with

01:23:13.140 --> 01:23:15.180
and I just always looked at her

01:23:15.180 --> 01:23:17.280
and I thought like wow she's so patient

01:23:17.280 --> 01:23:19.480
with everyone she's so kind she's so pleasant

01:23:19.480 --> 01:23:21.460
and I always wanted to mimic

01:23:21.460 --> 01:23:22.820
that because it's like man

01:23:22.820 --> 01:23:25.560
I aspire to be that piece of you

01:23:26.060 --> 01:23:26.520
um

01:23:27.080 --> 01:23:29.240
praying for it you know I would say

01:23:29.240 --> 01:23:31.140
like yeah I used to it used to be the

01:23:31.140 --> 01:23:32.740
thing that I would ask God for like

01:23:32.740 --> 01:23:34.740
please just teach me how to be more patient

01:23:34.740 --> 01:23:36.780
and I guess you're right like he did put me

01:23:36.780 --> 01:23:38.920
a whirlwind where it's like all right

01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:40.480
you asked for it

01:23:40.480 --> 01:23:42.820
here you go figure it out

01:23:43.380 --> 01:23:44.920
um but I never I never

01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:45.560
thought I was

01:23:46.540 --> 01:23:48.780
right yeah it's the best workout that you're

01:23:48.780 --> 01:23:50.580
doing I'm also reminded of Garrett Smith

01:23:50.580 --> 01:23:52.240
that I talked about a little bit on our

01:23:52.740 --> 01:23:54.280
on our channel and so he

01:23:54.280 --> 01:23:56.860
sees people on a regular basis about their health

01:23:56.860 --> 01:23:58.700
he's a naturopathic doctor and I'm part

01:23:58.700 --> 01:24:00.820
of what's called office hours behind

01:24:00.820 --> 01:24:02.620
the scenes once you're a client

01:24:02.620 --> 01:24:04.620
then you can go to these meetings

01:24:04.620 --> 01:24:06.360
so we get to see him

01:24:06.360 --> 01:24:08.640
helping other people because it's in a group

01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:10.440
and his patients

01:24:10.440 --> 01:24:11.900
is off the charts

01:24:12.460 --> 01:24:14.300
compared to his public persona

01:24:14.300 --> 01:24:16.520
you might guess that he's not patient

01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:18.580
and he's kind of you know just kind of like

01:24:18.580 --> 01:24:20.520
blocker delete you if you ask

01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:21.600
or say the wrong thing

01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:24.080
but once you're in his world

01:24:24.080 --> 01:24:26.020
and you're working with them

01:24:26.020 --> 01:24:28.540
then he will go to the end of the earth to be patient

01:24:28.540 --> 01:24:30.560
with you you might have asked the same

01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:31.900
question a hundred times

01:24:32.320 --> 01:24:34.560
you might have like tried to get his

01:24:35.220 --> 01:24:36.600
okay on something

01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:38.600
for the hundredth time and he'll

01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.440
just he keeps an even tone

01:24:40.440 --> 01:24:42.800
he never like oh this again

01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:44.500
or anything and I'm the one in the

01:24:44.500 --> 01:24:46.500
back end going like could she just

01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:47.460
be quiet already

01:24:48.180 --> 01:24:50.320
stop it yeah yeah

01:24:50.320 --> 01:24:52.420
so I have a lot of admiration for that

01:24:52.420 --> 01:24:54.520
that quality and it is a virtue for a

01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:56.580
reason right like this is this is

01:24:56.580 --> 01:24:58.900
the opposite of the bridge

01:24:58.900 --> 01:25:00.580
burner kind of

01:25:00.580 --> 01:25:02.160
a way of being in the world

01:25:02.160 --> 01:25:04.420
and I also practice a lot of patients

01:25:04.420 --> 01:25:05.500
in my work because

01:25:06.120 --> 01:25:08.720
I work in a subject that is not

01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:11.080
an easy not to crack

01:25:11.080 --> 01:25:12.360
by any means

01:25:12.360 --> 01:25:14.420
and people the tendency is to

01:25:14.420 --> 01:25:16.520
remember and forget and remember and forget

01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:17.680
and remember and forget

01:25:18.700 --> 01:25:20.560
I'm doing a stream about that on Friday

01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:22.000
by the way in my Bath of Fresh Air

01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:24.460
just before I forget to tell anyone about that

01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:26.680
and yeah

01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:28.780
so I see you as incredibly patient

01:25:28.780 --> 01:25:31.020
and kind and you can always

01:25:31.020 --> 01:25:32.240
just

01:25:32.240 --> 01:25:34.660
regulate your tone of voice even if

01:25:34.660 --> 01:25:36.380
some people are all ramped up

01:25:36.380 --> 01:25:37.740
and then you're even

01:25:38.380 --> 01:25:39.440
the vocal

01:25:39.440 --> 01:25:42.860
the vocal levels are very important I've found

01:25:42.860 --> 01:25:46.720
you know especially when everybody

01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:48.600
is very high level

01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:49.660
yelling whatever

01:25:50.460 --> 01:25:51.940
the only I'm not gonna

01:25:51.940 --> 01:25:54.580
there's no way I can yell and be louder

01:25:54.580 --> 01:25:55.680
to get their attention

01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:57.500
you actually have to lower

01:25:57.500 --> 01:26:00.720
like almost monowed into it

01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:02.540
in order for them to actually hear it

01:26:03.120 --> 01:26:04.540
that's just a trick

01:26:04.540 --> 01:26:06.660
of the trade that most people don't recognize

01:26:06.660 --> 01:26:07.900
but yeah

01:26:08.510 --> 01:26:09.680
maintaining that like

01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:13.000
okay guys we're going to blah blah blah blah blah blah

01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:14.940
and then now their ears start picking up

01:26:14.940 --> 01:26:15.960
on this lower

01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:18.520
frequency and where everyone else is like

01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:20.560
ah it gets a lot

01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:21.020
crazy

01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:25.240
I'll share a real quick story

01:26:25.240 --> 01:26:26.280
I worked in Nepal

01:26:26.280 --> 01:26:27.960
as a school teacher

01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:29.900
in a village way the heck up

01:26:29.900 --> 01:26:30.960
you couldn't even drive there

01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:32.580
you had to walk up 5 hours

01:26:32.580 --> 01:26:34.360
to get to this little village

01:26:35.260 --> 01:26:36.620
and then so

01:26:36.620 --> 01:26:38.940
I had a hard time getting any kids

01:26:38.940 --> 01:26:40.240
to listen to me first of all

01:26:40.240 --> 01:26:41.920
I spoke English and they spoke

01:26:43.340 --> 01:26:43.820
Nepalese

01:26:44.900 --> 01:26:47.060
and then I had a friend

01:26:47.060 --> 01:26:48.160
who was also a school teacher

01:26:48.160 --> 01:26:49.580
she was as part of the same

01:26:49.580 --> 01:26:51.800
kind of culture exchange program

01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:53.260
and she came into the room

01:26:53.260 --> 01:26:55.580
and she could command them how

01:26:56.140 --> 01:26:56.380
whispering

01:26:57.460 --> 01:26:59.300
because she would speak very quiet

01:26:59.300 --> 01:27:01.320
and all of a sudden everybody would just shut up

01:27:01.320 --> 01:27:03.700
and they'd lean in and they'd want to hear

01:27:03.700 --> 01:27:05.060
and I'm like oh so yeah

01:27:05.060 --> 01:27:06.480
the fascinating technique

01:27:06.480 --> 01:27:08.960
that you have to get lower to be heard

01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:10.880
yeah and that's just

01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:13.440
I mean that's just the level of understanding

01:27:14.420 --> 01:27:15.260
how people

01:27:15.260 --> 01:27:16.620
respond to different

01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:19.420
different levels of talking

01:27:19.420 --> 01:27:21.320
and my role is

01:27:21.320 --> 01:27:23.340
I shouldn't have to yell to make you

01:27:23.340 --> 01:27:24.900
hear me sometimes you have to do it

01:27:24.900 --> 01:27:25.880
because they're just being crazy

01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:28.040
but most of the time

01:27:28.040 --> 01:27:30.320
I'm not going to fry my vocal chords

01:27:30.320 --> 01:27:31.840
just because you're an idiot

01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.300
like I'm just going to

01:27:34.300 --> 01:27:35.600
we're going to monotone it

01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:39.600
and they'll eventually

01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:41.060
pick up on it and realize

01:27:41.060 --> 01:27:43.400
like oh I should stop

01:27:43.400 --> 01:27:44.540
because there's something

01:27:45.260 --> 01:27:47.400
triggering my ear that I notice

01:27:48.300 --> 01:27:49.580
kids actually

01:27:49.580 --> 01:27:51.180
are very responsive to that

01:27:51.180 --> 01:27:53.540
I've seen teachers do this

01:27:53.540 --> 01:27:54.760
where it's the

01:27:55.340 --> 01:27:57.020
class could be incredibly crazy

01:27:57.020 --> 01:27:59.340
but you just start talking

01:27:59.340 --> 01:28:00.100
just

01:28:00.940 --> 01:28:03.320
high enough but still

01:28:03.320 --> 01:28:05.300
very consistent and their ears

01:28:05.300 --> 01:28:06.440
start picking up and say

01:28:07.220 --> 01:28:09.020
something's different, something's different

01:28:09.020 --> 01:28:10.080
and they look for it

01:28:10.080 --> 01:28:11.680
but yeah it's impressive

01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:13.480
indeed

01:28:14.440 --> 01:28:15.980
and then just to fill in the blank

01:28:15.980 --> 01:28:17.740
the reason I was talking about the psychedelics

01:28:17.740 --> 01:28:19.240
is I keep coming across

01:28:19.240 --> 01:28:20.940
if you haven't heard of Joel Schaefer

01:28:20.940 --> 01:28:23.340
he's a guy

01:28:23.340 --> 01:28:24.040
in the

01:28:25.420 --> 01:28:27.880
shamanic spaces of all kinds

01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:29.900
and that's something I went through

01:28:29.900 --> 01:28:31.800
a little bit in my world also

01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:33.960
I studied about shamanism in university

01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:35.620
I did a honors

01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:37.900
what do they call it

01:28:37.900 --> 01:28:39.480
directed study in that

01:28:40.080 --> 01:28:40.640
and

01:28:41.280 --> 01:28:42.400
yeah so

01:28:43.200 --> 01:28:44.440
he's in that world

01:28:44.440 --> 01:28:46.580
I wouldn't talk to anybody in the shamanic world

01:28:46.580 --> 01:28:48.580
but I'm pretty happy he's going to have me on

01:28:48.580 --> 01:28:50.520
and he's going to be on the channel probably

01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:52.600
in the next month so that'll be fun

01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:53.780
oh fun

01:28:53.780 --> 01:28:55.780
yeah I find

01:28:56.980 --> 01:28:59.080
plants people talk about plant medicine

01:28:59.080 --> 01:29:00.040
plant spirits

01:29:00.040 --> 01:29:02.700
there's a certain relationship that humans

01:29:02.700 --> 01:29:04.680
have with plants

01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:05.220
and there's

01:29:06.520 --> 01:29:07.600
something just

01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:08.980
comes up

01:29:08.980 --> 01:29:11.320
yeah I would definitely agree with that

01:29:11.320 --> 01:29:13.880
I think we need to be more

01:29:13.880 --> 01:29:15.320
in sync with our

01:29:16.140 --> 01:29:17.220
our ground

01:29:17.220 --> 01:29:19.900
our plants the trees

01:29:19.900 --> 01:29:22.100
the nature around us

01:29:22.100 --> 01:29:24.020
I think we need to sync back in with it

01:29:24.020 --> 01:29:27.260
we've gotten so out of sync and I think that's why people are crazy

01:29:27.260 --> 01:29:27.780
so

01:29:27.780 --> 01:29:30.300
yeah it can help a lot

01:29:30.300 --> 01:29:31.380
I did that this morning

01:29:31.380 --> 01:29:32.800
when I just

01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.520
oh it's sunny today and there's no chemtrails

01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:37.580
amazingly enough I shouldn't say that out loud

01:29:37.580 --> 01:29:38.620
but

01:29:38.620 --> 01:29:41.320
I got myself into a natural environment

01:29:41.320 --> 01:29:43.480
and I talked to the geese

01:29:44.180 --> 01:29:45.940
they're making their way out of Canada

01:29:45.940 --> 01:29:47.480
I don't know exactly where you're located

01:29:47.480 --> 01:29:49.520
but we're in the north

01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:51.400
let's say here in Canada

01:29:51.400 --> 01:29:52.560
and a good

01:29:53.220 --> 01:29:55.300
you know could be half of our

01:29:55.300 --> 01:29:57.360
of our time is more like

01:29:57.360 --> 01:29:59.360
winter and the geese

01:29:59.360 --> 01:30:00.940
the ice finally

01:30:02.040 --> 01:30:02.560
made

01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:05.300
a thin layer not a

01:30:05.300 --> 01:30:06.840
good layer of ice like it will be

01:30:07.200 --> 01:30:09.340
so the geese are sitting on there but the sun's

01:30:09.340 --> 01:30:10.640
beating down on it and

01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:13.420
the goose fell through the ice

01:30:13.420 --> 01:30:14.160
so

01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:16.960
yeah it was all ice around them

01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:18.800
and then they're like trying to

01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:20.600
claw their way out I just wanted to

01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:23.660
go in there and grab them or something

01:30:23.660 --> 01:30:25.460
but they managed to break through

01:30:26.200 --> 01:30:27.560
yeah it's pretty nice

01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:29.520
it's adorable I would actually probably pay

01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:30.240
to watch that

01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:33.640
it's a good show we get the Canada geese

01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:35.460
for about I don't know they'll come back

01:30:35.460 --> 01:30:37.000
in the spring maybe April

01:30:37.420 --> 01:30:38.820
and stay around until

01:30:38.820 --> 01:30:40.960
the snow flies a little bit after

01:30:41.440 --> 01:30:43.600
so yeah I like that they call them

01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:45.420
Canada geese I was in New Orleans

01:30:45.420 --> 01:30:47.520
and I saw Canada geese

01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:49.020
that was pretty fun to fly

01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.520
all the way south to find those guys

01:30:52.060 --> 01:30:53.440
and whereabouts in the world

01:30:53.440 --> 01:30:54.380
are you you don't have to say

01:30:54.380 --> 01:30:56.420
I'm in Maryland actually

01:30:56.420 --> 01:30:58.560
so when you guys had those

01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:00.620
big fires we were actually

01:31:00.620 --> 01:31:01.920
getting all the smoke

01:31:02.780 --> 01:31:03.940
we had a

01:31:03.940 --> 01:31:06.220
really weird fog and

01:31:06.220 --> 01:31:08.580
I mean God there's a lot of states in between

01:31:08.580 --> 01:31:08.960
us

01:31:10.080 --> 01:31:11.960
but we had this whole

01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:14.100
it was for like a week straight of this

01:31:14.100 --> 01:31:15.740
just dense air

01:31:15.740 --> 01:31:18.560
and kind of like a foggy

01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:20.400
misty smoky

01:31:21.180 --> 01:31:22.800
atmosphere around for

01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:24.920
gosh it was forever when you guys had that fire

01:31:26.620 --> 01:31:27.420
it was

01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:30.620
pardon me it was

01:31:30.620 --> 01:31:31.800
it was very

01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:34.940
I couldn't imagine how much more worse

01:31:34.940 --> 01:31:36.420
it would be if I was in Canada

01:31:36.420 --> 01:31:38.000
having to see it but

01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:40.760
if that's what we were getting here I was like

01:31:40.760 --> 01:31:42.340
goodness gracious this is ridiculous

01:31:43.260 --> 01:31:44.760
yeah it ate up a lot of our summer

01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:46.820
we had to there's typically fires

01:31:46.820 --> 01:31:48.840
but not at that time of year we had them

01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:49.980
starting in the spring

01:31:49.980 --> 01:31:51.900
and then it ruined the whole

01:31:51.900 --> 01:31:53.640
summer and

01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:55.280
yeah it was madness

01:31:55.280 --> 01:31:57.620
I believe that's totally engineered personally

01:31:57.620 --> 01:32:00.160
that was never the case

01:32:00.160 --> 01:32:01.560
yeah between

01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:03.320
chemtrails and just fire starters

01:32:04.580 --> 01:32:06.040
so yeah I haven't

01:32:06.040 --> 01:32:08.080
Maryland is the east coast of the

01:32:08.080 --> 01:32:09.440
US is that right? Yeah

01:32:09.980 --> 01:32:11.980
you're in eastern time I haven't ventured over

01:32:11.980 --> 01:32:13.260
in that direction at all

01:32:14.160 --> 01:32:14.680
and

01:32:15.700 --> 01:32:17.520
so I was going to ask you

01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:19.260
what are your favorite subjects

01:32:19.260 --> 01:32:21.660
that people come and debate on your channel

01:32:21.660 --> 01:32:23.500
just from your own perspective

01:32:23.500 --> 01:32:25.580
I hate politics

01:32:27.260 --> 01:32:29.300
as much as we host

01:32:29.300 --> 01:32:31.100
politics doesn't always get me

01:32:31.100 --> 01:32:32.780
I'm always like

01:32:33.440 --> 01:32:34.100
not again

01:32:36.020 --> 01:32:37.840
because it's usually just

01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:39.480
the same old

01:32:39.480 --> 01:32:41.480
same old surface level talking points

01:32:41.480 --> 01:32:42.920
again and again and again and again

01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:44.400
you're never going to hear anything different

01:32:44.400 --> 01:32:45.780
it's always going to be the same

01:32:45.780 --> 01:32:48.140
well your side did this well your side did that

01:32:48.140 --> 01:32:50.120
well we want to do this well we want to do that

01:32:50.120 --> 01:32:51.840
and it's never changing right

01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:53.700
it's just repeat washrooms repeat

01:32:54.540 --> 01:32:55.060
but

01:32:58.680 --> 01:32:59.720
other questions

01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:02.080
like topics that are off

01:33:02.080 --> 01:33:03.960
beat from the normal

01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:05.140
you know

01:33:05.740 --> 01:33:06.960
left versus right

01:33:08.360 --> 01:33:09.400
feminism bad

01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:11.560
and

01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:13.260
I don't know

01:33:13.260 --> 01:33:15.220
like the basic standard approach

01:33:15.220 --> 01:33:16.540
surface level prompts

01:33:16.540 --> 01:33:19.120
but when you deep dive into something more

01:33:19.120 --> 01:33:20.700
detailed and specific like

01:33:21.240 --> 01:33:21.540
morality

01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:25.180
application of law things like that

01:33:25.180 --> 01:33:26.760
like the Monday night debate I

01:33:27.400 --> 01:33:29.300
loved that I was so

01:33:29.300 --> 01:33:31.420
in tuned I was so like oh this is

01:33:31.420 --> 01:33:33.060
so good because they were diving into

01:33:33.060 --> 01:33:35.340
morality in the application thereof

01:33:35.340 --> 01:33:37.220
and I love that stuff

01:33:37.220 --> 01:33:39.480
but when was that on the subject

01:33:39.480 --> 01:33:40.500
that rhymes with corn

01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:42.960
no no no Monday

01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:44.680
Monday was

01:33:46.480 --> 01:33:47.040
the

01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:48.480
American

01:33:49.400 --> 01:33:51.280
morality or American

01:33:51.280 --> 01:33:52.280
moral proposition

01:33:53.100 --> 01:33:54.980
and it was it was

01:33:54.980 --> 01:33:55.820
it was beautiful

01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:59.100
and we had three was the three

01:33:59.100 --> 01:34:01.240
lawyers on the screen actually so it made it

01:34:01.240 --> 01:34:03.260
great it made it very good for

01:34:03.260 --> 01:34:05.040
the conversation because they should all be

01:34:05.040 --> 01:34:06.660
very well versed in morality

01:34:06.660 --> 01:34:08.600
and the principles of philosophy

01:34:09.620 --> 01:34:10.280
but

01:34:10.750 --> 01:34:12.880
but yeah the I love the

01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:13.760
topics that

01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:16.960
pinpoint and narrow down into

01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.040
a deeper space versus just the surface

01:34:19.040 --> 01:34:20.520
level is thing bad

01:34:21.040 --> 01:34:23.320
you know so it can

01:34:23.320 --> 01:34:25.080
vary there's there's some that are fun

01:34:25.080 --> 01:34:26.880
like we did a is casual

01:34:26.880 --> 01:34:28.180
sex good for society

01:34:28.830 --> 01:34:30.840
conversation that was fun

01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:33.100
and that was really fun you know the conversation

01:34:33.100 --> 01:34:34.980
and the people bring

01:34:34.980 --> 01:34:37.040
the heat so they make

01:34:37.040 --> 01:34:38.840
it enjoyable but outside

01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:40.560
of that I'm pretty content

01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.000
if it's just regular politics I'm like

01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:44.860
but anything else is fun

01:34:44.860 --> 01:34:47.600
and are there subjects

01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:48.980
that you're actively

01:34:48.980 --> 01:34:51.540
putting out that you're

01:34:51.540 --> 01:34:53.300
kind of driving the topic on

01:34:54.220 --> 01:34:54.900
no

01:34:54.900 --> 01:34:57.200
usually I it's a bring

01:34:57.200 --> 01:34:58.700
your own topic kind of thing

01:34:58.700 --> 01:35:01.120
so I'll have one

01:35:01.120 --> 01:35:02.540
person put forth a prompt

01:35:03.240 --> 01:35:05.080
and from that I build the panel

01:35:05.080 --> 01:35:05.800
around them

01:35:06.900 --> 01:35:08.760
the fun part is knowing

01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:11.060
who's going to connect better who's going to

01:35:11.060 --> 01:35:13.000
like bring heat who's going to be a little quieter

01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:15.260
that's where the the real fun

01:35:15.260 --> 01:35:16.920
is but everybody brings

01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:19.180
one you just have to give me one topic

01:35:19.180 --> 01:35:21.000
that you really really want to do

01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:23.220
and I will piece the rest of it together to make

01:35:23.220 --> 01:35:24.980
it work for you that's cool

01:35:24.980 --> 01:35:27.200
good to know so you take suggestions

01:35:27.200 --> 01:35:28.460
if I come up with some

01:35:29.480 --> 01:35:30.220
oh yeah

01:35:30.860 --> 01:35:33.100
people do suggestions but most of the time

01:35:33.100 --> 01:35:35.160
it's the person who wants to debate it

01:35:35.160 --> 01:35:37.340
yeah that makes sense rather than going out

01:35:37.340 --> 01:35:39.120
and does anybody want to talk on this

01:35:39.120 --> 01:35:39.820
yeah that makes sense

01:35:39.820 --> 01:35:42.500
yeah now I used to do it originally the other way

01:35:42.500 --> 01:35:44.200
where I would come up with a topic

01:35:44.200 --> 01:35:46.320
and then I'd have to find

01:35:46.320 --> 01:35:48.220
four people to put together for

01:35:48.220 --> 01:35:48.900
Mod Monday

01:35:49.940 --> 01:35:51.380
and I would try to

01:35:51.380 --> 01:35:54.000
spare it out to where I know one person's

01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:55.860
really heavy leaning this way and then

01:35:55.860 --> 01:35:58.220
the other teammate would be kind of that way

01:35:58.220 --> 01:35:59.800
and then this I would do

01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:01.420
the same for the other side so you get four

01:36:01.420 --> 01:36:03.760
completely different opinions on the screen

01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:05.240
and then they all end up just arguing

01:36:05.740 --> 01:36:07.560
but then later on I formatted

01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:09.380
and structured a little more differently

01:36:09.380 --> 01:36:11.900
to where one person gives me the topic

01:36:11.900 --> 01:36:13.780
I will find

01:36:13.780 --> 01:36:15.740
their partner or they can bring their own

01:36:15.740 --> 01:36:17.800
partner and then I find them the opposition

01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:19.440
that works and

01:36:19.440 --> 01:36:21.400
that seems to work more structured

01:36:21.400 --> 01:36:23.180
and more formality wise

01:36:23.180 --> 01:36:24.360
but

01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:26.360
that one person

01:36:26.360 --> 01:36:29.560
really gets to duke out a topic they feel very strongly on

01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:30.680
and so it works

01:36:31.440 --> 01:36:33.320
I'm trying to remember the one that I was on

01:36:33.320 --> 01:36:35.660
it seemed like there was only one guy

01:36:35.660 --> 01:36:37.320
who held his position

01:36:37.320 --> 01:36:39.080
and everybody else

01:36:39.080 --> 01:36:40.860
was on the

01:36:40.860 --> 01:36:42.680
different side what was it

01:36:42.680 --> 01:36:45.600
it was about does the deep state exist

01:36:46.280 --> 01:36:46.880
oh

01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.060
poor oh my god poor vibe

01:36:49.060 --> 01:36:51.280
because he thought strongly that

01:36:51.280 --> 01:36:53.600
he's like no it's not

01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:54.780
it's not that crazy

01:36:54.780 --> 01:36:56.060
and everyone else was

01:36:56.060 --> 01:36:57.860
I think you were on that one right?

01:36:58.200 --> 01:37:00.340
everyone else was just like yes it is

01:37:00.340 --> 01:37:03.260
and that's hard

01:37:03.260 --> 01:37:04.680
that's hard to sometimes

01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:07.580
when you're kind of outnumbered

01:37:07.580 --> 01:37:09.260
to even be able to

01:37:09.260 --> 01:37:10.620
register the idea of like

01:37:10.620 --> 01:37:12.540
okay I'm about to take on a whole bunch of people

01:37:13.250 --> 01:37:14.520
who feel very strongly

01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:17.160
and there's a lot of damning evidence against him

01:37:17.160 --> 01:37:18.320
right so

01:37:18.320 --> 01:37:20.200
it could be tough

01:37:20.200 --> 01:37:21.320
I get it

01:37:21.320 --> 01:37:23.760
yeah that was good you were giving him airtime

01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:25.500
like okay guys you gotta let him speak

01:37:25.500 --> 01:37:27.220
he's the only one on that position

01:37:29.040 --> 01:37:30.540
if you're not outnumbered

01:37:30.540 --> 01:37:32.260
like that I think that's only

01:37:32.260 --> 01:37:32.980
right and fair

01:37:34.980 --> 01:37:36.200
and what do you notice

01:37:36.200 --> 01:37:37.580
in terms of people being

01:37:38.660 --> 01:37:40.240
I have no idea if you do this

01:37:40.240 --> 01:37:42.360
but there must be in your head

01:37:42.360 --> 01:37:44.140
some kind of a rating system

01:37:44.140 --> 01:37:45.880
going on like this person is good

01:37:45.880 --> 01:37:47.800
in a bit debate this person is

01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:49.500
you know tends to be

01:37:49.500 --> 01:37:51.480
better behaved this person can

01:37:51.480 --> 01:37:53.820
not talk when other people are

01:37:53.820 --> 01:37:55.300
talking this is something like

01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:57.600
streaming is not set up for

01:37:57.600 --> 01:37:59.880
multi voices so people need to

01:37:59.880 --> 01:38:01.500
know that when

01:38:01.500 --> 01:38:03.940
more than one person talks at a time

01:38:03.940 --> 01:38:05.580
you can't hear anything

01:38:05.580 --> 01:38:07.100
nothing it neutralizes

01:38:07.100 --> 01:38:08.840
it neutralizes everyone

01:38:09.780 --> 01:38:11.560
yeah no I have what

01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:14.040
like almost like playing cards

01:38:14.040 --> 01:38:15.980
like baseball cards but for debaters

01:38:15.980 --> 01:38:17.220
I have an entire

01:38:18.140 --> 01:38:19.160
information sheet

01:38:19.160 --> 01:38:21.500
I mean most people I just know

01:38:21.500 --> 01:38:23.080
I just know how they are

01:38:23.080 --> 01:38:26.120
how they operate what they would work good with

01:38:26.120 --> 01:38:28.000
what kind of topics would engage them

01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:30.220
you know what things get them pissed off

01:38:30.220 --> 01:38:31.400
what things keep them chill

01:38:32.600 --> 01:38:34.000
and just knowing

01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:36.060
who to pair up with who on that

01:38:36.060 --> 01:38:37.780
usually I start with the topic level

01:38:37.780 --> 01:38:40.020
right who would want to debate this topic

01:38:40.020 --> 01:38:41.640
but then I maneuver into

01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:44.160
who is best fit for this topic

01:38:45.020 --> 01:38:45.800
and that usually

01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:47.700
now when people pick their own partners

01:38:47.700 --> 01:38:49.380
from there I can't move right

01:38:49.380 --> 01:38:51.600
I'm obviously like nothing

01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:52.560
I can do with that one

01:38:53.360 --> 01:38:55.400
or if it's a 1v1 and they pick them

01:38:55.400 --> 01:38:57.660
like two people come to me and say hey we want to debate

01:38:57.660 --> 01:38:59.700
with this topic there's nothing I could do

01:38:59.700 --> 01:39:01.640
about that except just host it so if I know

01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:03.580
if maybe they're both a little

01:39:03.580 --> 01:39:05.600
on the drier side I know it's not going to be

01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:07.760
heated and crazy that's okay but they want

01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:09.520
to do it so I'm giving

01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:10.640
them the space either way

01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:13.440
but there are some people

01:39:13.440 --> 01:39:15.520
I will absolutely say no I'm not putting those

01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:17.500
two people on screen together because they're crazy

01:39:17.500 --> 01:39:18.660
like they're both

01:39:19.280 --> 01:39:21.500
just completely off the charts and they

01:39:21.500 --> 01:39:23.640
neither of them will step down

01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:25.420
right so it's

01:39:25.420 --> 01:39:27.400
I think that's the most important piece

01:39:27.400 --> 01:39:29.640
is balancing a panel and knowing who to

01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:31.360
you know who to pair up with who

01:39:31.360 --> 01:39:33.220
who works best for it with who

01:39:33.220 --> 01:39:35.400
and who's going to be the mic hog

01:39:35.400 --> 01:39:37.660
and who's going to be quiet and you just

01:39:37.660 --> 01:39:39.720
have to know how that how that

01:39:39.720 --> 01:39:40.260
operates

01:39:40.260 --> 01:39:43.740
and what about emotions because

01:39:43.740 --> 01:39:45.700
do you find that when people

01:39:45.700 --> 01:39:47.640
are more emotional they're

01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:49.920
less good at debating or is it

01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:52.100
the other way around or is there any

01:39:52.100 --> 01:39:54.080
I think that could

01:39:54.080 --> 01:39:55.980
depend I think that I absolutely

01:39:55.980 --> 01:39:57.340
can depend on

01:39:58.080 --> 01:39:59.800
because we have people that

01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:01.640
we would perceive as

01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:03.700
getting incredibly emotional but they're just being

01:40:03.700 --> 01:40:04.540
really entertaining

01:40:05.320 --> 01:40:06.080
you know

01:40:06.080 --> 01:40:08.320
so that that can go

01:40:08.320 --> 01:40:10.540
a couple different ways there there are

01:40:10.540 --> 01:40:12.560
there are some ladies in the

01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:14.160
space that get a little more

01:40:14.160 --> 01:40:15.460
on the

01:40:16.260 --> 01:40:17.600
on the like

01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:20.500
there you know that that that lump

01:40:20.500 --> 01:40:22.460
in their throat kind of conversation and

01:40:22.460 --> 01:40:24.200
they're doing you know we I've seen that

01:40:24.200 --> 01:40:26.300
but I think it just depends

01:40:26.300 --> 01:40:28.760
if you're passionate that's an emotion

01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:30.320
but that doesn't

01:40:30.320 --> 01:40:32.940
I don't think that that necessarily always negates

01:40:32.940 --> 01:40:34.940
your ability to debate or how well you're

01:40:34.940 --> 01:40:36.960
going to do I think sometimes it can

01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:38.820
get in your way if you

01:40:38.820 --> 01:40:40.220
forget like

01:40:40.760 --> 01:40:42.840
you got to reel yourself back

01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:44.840
in but I think I think overall the

01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:46.900
passionate piece is good

01:40:46.900 --> 01:40:49.040
mm-hmm yeah some fire

01:40:49.040 --> 01:40:50.620
and some life and

01:40:50.620 --> 01:40:52.860
and then you know it's a fun

01:40:52.860 --> 01:40:54.860
line personally again because

01:40:54.860 --> 01:40:56.920
Ben is my friend and I've met him in person stuff

01:40:56.920 --> 01:40:58.840
like that it was

01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:00.820
really funny what was I can't

01:41:00.820 --> 01:41:02.820
remember exactly who it was but so Ben was

01:41:02.820 --> 01:41:04.880
talking but so when Ben is making

01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:06.700
a point sometimes it'll

01:41:06.700 --> 01:41:07.920
sound like he's angry

01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:10.880
because I'll read vibe

01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:12.540
under things

01:41:12.540 --> 01:41:14.860
I know that there's I like I'm

01:41:14.860 --> 01:41:16.400
literally never bothered

01:41:16.400 --> 01:41:18.780
when when Ben is

01:41:18.780 --> 01:41:20.900
you know doing doing his angry voice

01:41:20.900 --> 01:41:22.720
and then there was it was a one woman

01:41:22.720 --> 01:41:24.800
was it Kell or someone like that just kept saying

01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:26.680
like you know lower your voice

01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:28.560
lower your voice lower your voice and

01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:29.460
it's like

01:41:30.340 --> 01:41:32.500
yeah kind of kind of interesting no no typically

01:41:32.500 --> 01:41:34.500
emotions are like a drunken

01:41:34.500 --> 01:41:36.480
situation right the more

01:41:36.480 --> 01:41:38.620
emotion that you're running

01:41:38.620 --> 01:41:40.840
the less clarity you have

01:41:40.840 --> 01:41:42.620
mm-hmm the same women

01:41:42.620 --> 01:41:44.580
get criticized for this that

01:41:44.580 --> 01:41:46.140
we will approach every situation

01:41:46.140 --> 01:41:48.240
emotionally rather than

01:41:48.240 --> 01:41:50.900
logically and with the facts

01:41:50.900 --> 01:41:52.580
mm-hmm right and we'll go

01:41:52.580 --> 01:41:54.240
with our intuition we love

01:41:54.240 --> 01:41:56.540
something we just gonna do it

01:41:56.540 --> 01:41:58.600
and and men can

01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:00.720
you know just sort through okay what's the reality

01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:02.480
of the situation let's take

01:42:02.480 --> 01:42:04.620
let's take some

01:42:04.620 --> 01:42:06.480
you know so and then that

01:42:06.480 --> 01:42:08.080
that's leading to the question around

01:42:08.080 --> 01:42:10.580
men versus women on the debates

01:42:10.580 --> 01:42:12.520
it sounds like you're wanting more

01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:14.340
women to debate because typically

01:42:14.340 --> 01:42:16.180
men are showing up more so

01:42:16.180 --> 01:42:18.360
uh yeah I mean obviously

01:42:18.360 --> 01:42:20.760
there's a scarcity of women

01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:22.540
and they're all making

01:42:22.540 --> 01:42:24.460
their way back now so I'm excited but

01:42:24.460 --> 01:42:26.400
they were a lot of them get intimidated by the

01:42:26.400 --> 01:42:27.920
panel they feel uncomfortable

01:42:28.460 --> 01:42:30.340
or or there's just it's

01:42:30.340 --> 01:42:32.320
a sausage fest I'm I'm typically used

01:42:32.320 --> 01:42:34.200
to being the only female on

01:42:34.200 --> 01:42:36.260
screen and you know but

01:42:36.260 --> 01:42:38.400
I can I have very thick skin

01:42:38.400 --> 01:42:40.340
so all of their like

01:42:40.340 --> 01:42:42.320
to me I just look at it and these are people

01:42:42.320 --> 01:42:44.460
on a little box right I can just shut it

01:42:44.460 --> 01:42:46.360
down and and walk away and

01:42:46.360 --> 01:42:48.420
they disappear right they don't matter to me

01:42:48.420 --> 01:42:49.600
anymore um

01:42:50.320 --> 01:42:52.320
but but women women

01:42:52.320 --> 01:42:54.220
can not a lot of women

01:42:54.220 --> 01:42:56.160
want to engage and

01:42:56.160 --> 01:42:58.380
combat men uh that's

01:42:58.380 --> 01:43:00.380
I don't blame them it can

01:43:00.380 --> 01:43:02.700
be very dismantling it can be very uncomfortable

01:43:02.700 --> 01:43:04.340
it can it can go in a lot of

01:43:04.340 --> 01:43:06.200
different directions and usually

01:43:06.820 --> 01:43:07.960
we are just

01:43:09.480 --> 01:43:10.400
um degraded

01:43:10.400 --> 01:43:12.400
down to well you're just emotional you're

01:43:12.400 --> 01:43:14.280
a woman you don't have any logic or you're just

01:43:14.280 --> 01:43:16.260
a feminist or you're just to this and it's like

01:43:16.260 --> 01:43:18.340
it's completely away from my point

01:43:18.340 --> 01:43:20.600
that's not even what I'm talking about you know

01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:22.540
uh anything you say is automatically

01:43:22.540 --> 01:43:24.680
negated it doesn't matter because

01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:26.100
you're a woman right and

01:43:26.100 --> 01:43:28.280
I accept that that's

01:43:28.280 --> 01:43:30.480
par for the course but not

01:43:30.480 --> 01:43:32.400
all women are willing to accept

01:43:32.400 --> 01:43:34.740
that that's par for the course and they don't

01:43:34.740 --> 01:43:36.500
it's it kind of comes down to

01:43:36.500 --> 01:43:38.660
why waste my time they're just gonna call

01:43:38.660 --> 01:43:40.560
me a hoe they're gonna call me a feminist

01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:42.500
they're gonna call me a this they're gonna say

01:43:42.500 --> 01:43:44.680
I'm being emotional they're gonna say

01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:46.540
I'm doing that and it's an easy target

01:43:46.540 --> 01:43:48.540
it's it's so easy for them to say

01:43:48.540 --> 01:43:50.440
that uh and you have to

01:43:50.440 --> 01:43:52.620
work 20 times harder

01:43:52.620 --> 01:43:54.660
just to be just

01:43:54.660 --> 01:43:56.220
to uh

01:43:56.220 --> 01:43:58.560
remove their ability to even get

01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:00.260
to those points to say that to you

01:44:00.260 --> 01:44:02.660
mm-hmm and that's the hardest part so

01:44:02.660 --> 01:44:04.500
yeah do you see any women

01:44:04.500 --> 01:44:05.740
only debates in the future

01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:08.460
oh yeah we've had we've had some

01:44:08.460 --> 01:44:10.400
uh they're they're my favorites

01:44:10.400 --> 01:44:12.320
because women typically draw

01:44:12.320 --> 01:44:14.440
more eyeballs to the screen anyways

01:44:14.440 --> 01:44:16.580
um but uh yeah

01:44:16.580 --> 01:44:18.360
I mean if we can continue drawing

01:44:18.360 --> 01:44:20.480
in more women I want more women on the screen

01:44:20.480 --> 01:44:22.580
come show me you know and I even

01:44:22.580 --> 01:44:24.680
offer I in they're all very very

01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:26.700
aware of this that I

01:44:26.700 --> 01:44:28.520
offer uh some

01:44:28.520 --> 01:44:30.040
preferential treatment

01:44:30.430 --> 01:44:32.680
and I don't think it's not fair I think

01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:34.580
it's very fair I offer some preferential

01:44:34.580 --> 01:44:36.100
treatment to ladies allowing

01:44:36.100 --> 01:44:38.320
a little more space and a little more

01:44:38.320 --> 01:44:40.140
grace in the conversation

01:44:40.140 --> 01:44:42.710
because they're outnumbered

01:44:43.460 --> 01:44:44.760
by very loud

01:44:44.760 --> 01:44:46.180
uh male

01:44:46.180 --> 01:44:48.360
male voices and it it will

01:44:48.360 --> 01:44:50.540
tune out the females very quickly

01:44:50.540 --> 01:44:52.780
and so I give them that little

01:44:52.780 --> 01:44:53.700
extra space

01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:55.480
just to

01:44:56.460 --> 01:44:58.500
kind of balance balance the

01:44:58.500 --> 01:45:00.700
chart now doesn't mean

01:45:00.700 --> 01:45:03.240
every woman can just come in and bulldoze

01:45:03.240 --> 01:45:03.940
the the show

01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:06.600
but it simply means let the lady

01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:08.620
speak ladies first just be

01:45:08.620 --> 01:45:09.940
a gentleman and let her talk

01:45:09.940 --> 01:45:12.600
mm-hmm yeah you did that for me I doubt

01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:14.660
I would have said anything on that debate when I came

01:45:14.660 --> 01:45:16.620
on uh but you open you

01:45:16.620 --> 01:45:18.600
open the space it's like okay I can speak with

01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:20.580
our space and less less

01:45:20.580 --> 01:45:22.740
likely to interrupt people

01:45:22.740 --> 01:45:24.620
and try to you know volume out

01:45:24.620 --> 01:45:26.040
them or point

01:45:26.400 --> 01:45:27.720
point out to them

01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:30.660
yes yeah uh it just

01:45:30.660 --> 01:45:31.460
it gets a little

01:45:32.620 --> 01:45:34.540
uh women are already uncomfortable

01:45:34.540 --> 01:45:36.700
they're already uncomfortable they're already

01:45:36.700 --> 01:45:38.540
intimidated there's already a bunch

01:45:38.540 --> 01:45:40.500
of men here that are ready to

01:45:40.500 --> 01:45:42.560
just you know poke at them

01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:44.480
uh not all men I'll say

01:45:44.480 --> 01:45:46.320
there are some very kind

01:45:46.320 --> 01:45:48.240
gentlemen in this space who I've

01:45:48.240 --> 01:45:50.320
engaged and interacted with and I have a very

01:45:50.320 --> 01:45:52.060
large appreciation for them but

01:45:52.060 --> 01:45:54.340
but most women it's just

01:45:54.340 --> 01:45:56.700
like the panel looks intimidating

01:45:56.700 --> 01:45:58.380
it looks scary it's like

01:45:58.380 --> 01:46:00.520
ooh bunch of men yelling like why do I

01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:02.600
want to go up there so the more

01:46:02.600 --> 01:46:04.400
we can uh balance the charts

01:46:04.400 --> 01:46:06.320
out and get more ladies up

01:46:06.320 --> 01:46:07.980
the better it's going to be I think

01:46:07.980 --> 01:46:10.000
nice and women can be

01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:11.680
equally as mean and

01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:13.840
bullish and masculine

01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:15.680
and cutting and

01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:18.060
uh demasculating

01:46:18.060 --> 01:46:20.160
of others so that's

01:46:20.160 --> 01:46:22.080
uh that's yeah yeah

01:46:22.080 --> 01:46:23.340
uh but the men

01:46:23.980 --> 01:46:25.820
like the men

01:46:25.820 --> 01:46:27.940
can they

01:46:27.940 --> 01:46:29.620
can still uh

01:46:29.620 --> 01:46:32.000
the men can

01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:33.940
they can take it you'll be fine

01:46:33.940 --> 01:46:35.540
okay uh

01:46:35.540 --> 01:46:37.240
if if a woman

01:46:37.240 --> 01:46:39.340
yelling at you or berating

01:46:39.340 --> 01:46:41.440
you makes you emotional and

01:46:41.440 --> 01:46:43.340
this is where men and women are different

01:46:43.340 --> 01:46:45.440
right and people are going to say well that's not fair

01:46:45.440 --> 01:46:47.540
why wouldn't you hold her that because she's different

01:46:47.540 --> 01:46:49.440
than you your big strong

01:46:49.440 --> 01:46:51.020
man okay uh

01:46:51.540 --> 01:46:53.460
man up right and

01:46:53.460 --> 01:46:55.560
if a if a tiny little 5-2 lady

01:46:55.560 --> 01:46:57.220
yelling at you gets you upset

01:46:57.220 --> 01:46:59.500
well like why are you in this space to begin

01:46:59.500 --> 01:47:01.600
with uh she's not going to hurt you

01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:03.140
she can't physically hurt you

01:47:03.140 --> 01:47:05.400
uh she's tiny she's this she's that

01:47:05.400 --> 01:47:06.860
like you'll be fine

01:47:06.860 --> 01:47:08.800
um but even at that there's

01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:10.980
nine men on a panel and one female

01:47:10.980 --> 01:47:13.180
come on you'll be alright uh or even two

01:47:13.180 --> 01:47:15.180
females you'll be alright you got all your boys

01:47:15.180 --> 01:47:17.120
here you're you're gonna attack her

01:47:17.120 --> 01:47:19.160
you're gonna come in in all your different angles

01:47:19.160 --> 01:47:21.300
like if if her

01:47:21.300 --> 01:47:23.180
coming at you bothers

01:47:23.180 --> 01:47:25.260
you then you're letting it bother you

01:47:25.260 --> 01:47:27.100
you know I don't think anybody should be

01:47:27.100 --> 01:47:29.180
any man should be triggered by a

01:47:29.180 --> 01:47:31.300
woman poking at him right

01:47:31.300 --> 01:47:33.180
the ultimate shit test honestly

01:47:34.040 --> 01:47:35.440
yeah exactly yeah

01:47:35.440 --> 01:47:37.320
king hero uh monitor let's say

01:47:37.320 --> 01:47:37.740
your measure

01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:40.800
yeah um

01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:45.120
yeah so I'd like

01:47:45.120 --> 01:47:47.280
to engage the chat a little bit as

01:47:47.280 --> 01:47:49.200
we start to approach the last 10 minutes

01:47:49.200 --> 01:47:51.440
of the of the debate

01:47:51.440 --> 01:47:53.040
or not debate what am I saying here

01:47:53.040 --> 01:47:54.740
we're not we're not debating yet

01:47:55.300 --> 01:47:57.400
I considered for about a minute

01:47:57.400 --> 01:47:59.300
and a half like I wonder if I could host a debate

01:47:59.300 --> 01:48:01.280
or two I might in a

01:48:01.280 --> 01:48:03.320
particular arena where I had a vested

01:48:03.320 --> 01:48:05.340
interest I want to see people

01:48:05.340 --> 01:48:07.280
debate I I would probably

01:48:07.280 --> 01:48:09.540
do that but not not doing what you do that's

01:48:09.540 --> 01:48:10.900
that's uh next level

01:48:10.900 --> 01:48:13.140
I'm glad you do what you do and I can just go

01:48:13.140 --> 01:48:15.440
and enjoy and uh

01:48:15.440 --> 01:48:17.520
yeah Lisa said uh what a refreshing

01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:19.300
point of view it's really

01:48:19.300 --> 01:48:21.660
cool because uh

01:48:21.660 --> 01:48:23.280
yeah that I mean that that

01:48:23.280 --> 01:48:24.760
I think is is uh

01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:26.900
an important discussion that

01:48:26.900 --> 01:48:28.720
that men and women have

01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:30.680
and and I'm curious like what

01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:32.840
what needs to be debated when you think

01:48:32.840 --> 01:48:34.900
about what the

01:48:34.900 --> 01:48:36.780
state of our world right now

01:48:36.780 --> 01:48:38.480
and what could we potentially

01:48:38.480 --> 01:48:40.740
have influence over

01:48:40.740 --> 01:48:42.640
what could we have

01:48:42.640 --> 01:48:44.800
greater awareness and education

01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:46.940
about the debates could in fact

01:48:46.940 --> 01:48:48.980
bring to the table not just

01:48:48.980 --> 01:48:50.580
for the audience but for

01:48:50.580 --> 01:48:52.840
those debating you know what are

01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:54.820
those subjects that need to be

01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:56.720
clarified through

01:48:56.720 --> 01:48:58.120
through the debate are purified

01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:00.740
I wouldn't even say what needs to be

01:49:00.740 --> 01:49:02.260
debated we debate on a daily

01:49:02.260 --> 01:49:04.200
basis when we have

01:49:04.200 --> 01:49:06.140
discussions with friends family whoever

01:49:06.140 --> 01:49:08.140
and we disagree we find disagreement

01:49:08.140 --> 01:49:10.580
I think what really needs to

01:49:10.580 --> 01:49:12.260
happen is people need to learn the

01:49:12.260 --> 01:49:14.360
art of debating and communicating

01:49:14.360 --> 01:49:16.100
themselves clearly and knowing when

01:49:16.100 --> 01:49:17.680
they're going into emotion know when

01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:19.560
they're uh like all of the fallacies

01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:21.560
that are on the board for what it you know

01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:22.800
what can happen in a debate

01:49:24.080 --> 01:49:25.840
you need to know when somebody's

01:49:25.840 --> 01:49:26.060
uh

01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:29.360
uh arguing

01:49:29.360 --> 01:49:31.280
you down the wrong direction you need to know

01:49:31.280 --> 01:49:33.280
when somebody's trying to do this somebody's trying to do

01:49:33.280 --> 01:49:35.540
it's not necessarily what we need to

01:49:35.540 --> 01:49:37.280
debate it's we need to debate

01:49:37.280 --> 01:49:39.260
better we need to be able

01:49:39.260 --> 01:49:41.160
to communicate better we need to be able

01:49:41.160 --> 01:49:43.100
to make sure we're being logical in what

01:49:43.100 --> 01:49:44.960
we're giving to other people in our

01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:46.340
arguments in our baselines

01:49:47.060 --> 01:49:48.940
in our foundations are we

01:49:48.940 --> 01:49:50.860
are we grounding ourselves

01:49:50.860 --> 01:49:52.780
first before we're

01:49:52.780 --> 01:49:54.260
speaking that language outward

01:49:54.940 --> 01:49:56.380
that's what needs to happen

01:49:56.900 --> 01:49:58.600
because if we did that more

01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:01.000
our conversations would get better

01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:03.120
our society would get better

01:50:03.120 --> 01:50:05.000
because we'd learn how to

01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:06.360
sit and uh

01:50:06.940 --> 01:50:08.840
and run a dilemma

01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:10.820
through our head and say is this

01:50:10.820 --> 01:50:12.760
good is this bad

01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:14.900
does this help is this

01:50:14.900 --> 01:50:16.920
harmful and we can run that

01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:19.280
narrative in our head on our own and logically

01:50:19.280 --> 01:50:20.660
uh tease out

01:50:20.660 --> 01:50:22.880
what's good what's bad what's

01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:24.560
what's an emotion what's

01:50:24.560 --> 01:50:26.980
uh uh what's because somebody told

01:50:26.980 --> 01:50:29.040
me to do it what's because of this because of that

01:50:29.040 --> 01:50:30.680
why am I doing this

01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:32.800
you know if we did that

01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:34.400
everything

01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:36.120
society would solve itself

01:50:37.080 --> 01:50:38.960
nice great answer I

01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:40.760
love that and have you noticed

01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:43.100
an evolution in that direction are people

01:50:43.100 --> 01:50:44.900
becoming better debaters

01:50:44.900 --> 01:50:46.940
over the course of time how long

01:50:46.940 --> 01:50:48.680
again since you started this

01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:50.760
oh gosh has it been is it been

01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:52.400
almost two years uh

01:50:52.400 --> 01:50:54.120
pretty pretty new still

01:50:55.500 --> 01:50:56.900
I heard you run

01:50:56.900 --> 01:50:59.260
four debates a week you don't feel new anymore

01:50:59.260 --> 01:51:01.140
not that you're new to it

01:51:01.140 --> 01:51:03.020
but just you know the evolution

01:51:03.020 --> 01:51:04.640
of the evolution I

01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:06.700
I mean I've seen people come on

01:51:06.700 --> 01:51:08.060
people start

01:51:10.200 --> 01:51:10.960
that's another

01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:12.920
thing about my platform you don't have

01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:14.020
to be an expert

01:51:14.580 --> 01:51:16.820
I welcome all of the newbies the amateurs

01:51:16.820 --> 01:51:18.600
of people who don't know how now you have to earn

01:51:18.600 --> 01:51:20.740
your spot to getting put on an actual

01:51:20.740 --> 01:51:22.900
uh panel like an exclusive panel

01:51:22.900 --> 01:51:24.200
or 1v1 but

01:51:25.360 --> 01:51:27.060
um you don't have to be the best

01:51:27.060 --> 01:51:28.400
you can come on and start learning

01:51:28.830 --> 01:51:30.880
you can come on and watch others and figure it out

01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:32.860
along the way and I have seen a lot

01:51:32.860 --> 01:51:35.000
of people grow I've had I've seen

01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:36.720
a lot of people expand

01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:38.760
their own channels because of what they've done

01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:40.440
here I've seen a lot of people

01:51:40.440 --> 01:51:42.560
network uh with each other

01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:44.160
and grow from there on

01:51:44.160 --> 01:51:46.700
on uh maybe not necessarily a debate

01:51:46.700 --> 01:51:48.700
but on a topic specifically and they've

01:51:48.700 --> 01:51:50.440
like opened their mind up to other

01:51:50.440 --> 01:51:52.640
opinions or or or further

01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:54.320
the discussion um

01:51:54.320 --> 01:51:56.360
uh I I've

01:51:56.360 --> 01:51:58.480
seen personally people

01:51:58.480 --> 01:52:00.320
uh uplift

01:52:00.320 --> 01:52:02.400
themselves you know by utilizing

01:52:02.400 --> 01:52:04.480
the debate space or the open panels

01:52:04.480 --> 01:52:05.920
and so on and so forth and

01:52:06.440 --> 01:52:08.660
that's where I get like excited

01:52:08.660 --> 01:52:10.580
watching watching people

01:52:10.580 --> 01:52:12.740
maneuver out into different directions

01:52:12.740 --> 01:52:14.780
and expand and grow upon that

01:52:14.780 --> 01:52:17.320
so yes uh the answer is yes

01:52:17.320 --> 01:52:18.760
yeah how nice

01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:20.500
that's that's one of my all-time favorite things

01:52:20.500 --> 01:52:21.560
is watching people grow

01:52:22.640 --> 01:52:24.340
nothing tops that

01:52:24.340 --> 01:52:26.660
mm-hmm yeah that's amazing

01:52:26.660 --> 01:52:28.580
and uh I think we talked

01:52:28.580 --> 01:52:30.680
about on the when you interviewed me

01:52:30.680 --> 01:52:32.560
just your natural born

01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:34.620
connector your networker

01:52:34.620 --> 01:52:36.440
you take pride in that do you want to take

01:52:36.440 --> 01:52:38.500
uh talk about that role in your life

01:52:38.500 --> 01:52:40.200
yeah it's vital to me

01:52:40.200 --> 01:52:42.200
uh and that's that's probably

01:52:42.200 --> 01:52:43.940
my most favorite thing to do is

01:52:43.940 --> 01:52:45.820
and again that comes out with the

01:52:45.820 --> 01:52:47.600
growth piece behind it

01:52:47.600 --> 01:52:50.340
I like to plant the seeds

01:52:50.340 --> 01:52:52.200
or at least allow the space for the

01:52:52.200 --> 01:52:54.200
seeds to drop and then I get to sit back

01:52:54.200 --> 01:52:55.260
and watch all of those

01:52:55.260 --> 01:52:57.760
seeds sprout into you know

01:52:57.760 --> 01:52:59.640
big beautiful vines and then eventually

01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:01.860
turn into flowers and so watching them

01:53:01.860 --> 01:53:03.900
bloom by the end of it all

01:53:03.900 --> 01:53:05.920
whether it's a week later or three

01:53:05.920 --> 01:53:07.960
years later is is beauty

01:53:07.960 --> 01:53:09.960
to me um but I like

01:53:09.960 --> 01:53:11.980
being the guy that knows the guy that knows the guy

01:53:11.980 --> 01:53:13.840
that knows the guy I like being at the center

01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:15.700
of the spider web and everyone else

01:53:15.700 --> 01:53:17.940
corralling outward uh I

01:53:17.940 --> 01:53:19.940
consider myself to be the main hub

01:53:19.940 --> 01:53:21.920
I consider myself to be the

01:53:21.920 --> 01:53:24.040
the center of of

01:53:24.040 --> 01:53:25.860
the connections between communities

01:53:25.860 --> 01:53:28.100
um that's something I kind of tapped

01:53:28.100 --> 01:53:30.240
into earlier like we're

01:53:30.240 --> 01:53:31.860
there's so many different

01:53:31.860 --> 01:53:34.000
communities that even when I'll

01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:35.800
say oh yeah I'm interviewing

01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:37.860
with Beth today and they're like who's

01:53:37.860 --> 01:53:39.820
who's Beth would and I'm like oh well she comes over

01:53:39.820 --> 01:53:41.980
from this community you know and they're

01:53:41.980 --> 01:53:43.520
like oh I've never tapped into that community

01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:45.640
well here go check it out here's what they do

01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:47.880
right hold on just to say hold

01:53:47.880 --> 01:53:49.780
on hold on just a second I've got a kid

01:53:49.780 --> 01:53:50.580
kid

01:53:53.960 --> 01:53:55.820
whoops I just yeah she went

01:53:55.820 --> 01:53:57.300
off camera for a second there

01:53:57.800 --> 01:53:59.800
you see Dusty's throwing shade

01:54:00.440 --> 01:54:01.960
in your chat at

01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:04.120
Sarah yeah I can't see that chat I don't

01:54:04.120 --> 01:54:05.940
think on her wrist or her dual

01:54:05.940 --> 01:54:07.880
stream and uh you're taking

01:54:07.880 --> 01:54:09.920
care of business over there that's great fantastic

01:54:10.460 --> 01:54:11.980
yeah so the last thing I'm going

01:54:11.980 --> 01:54:13.900
to ask Sarah is about the name

01:54:13.900 --> 01:54:15.700
Raging Tomato where that comes from because

01:54:15.700 --> 01:54:17.780
you can't just overlook that

01:54:17.780 --> 01:54:19.440
I had some fun with her

01:54:19.980 --> 01:54:21.960
image and working that into a

01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:23.800
thumbnail uh

01:54:23.800 --> 01:54:25.180
coming up I'll just say before

01:54:26.860 --> 01:54:27.900
um I

01:54:27.900 --> 01:54:30.060
we get to the last question I'll

01:54:30.060 --> 01:54:31.740
just say coming up Friday is

01:54:31.740 --> 01:54:33.480
my regularly scheduled

01:54:33.480 --> 01:54:35.840
Beth of Fresh Air podcast

01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:37.700
I'm going to do this on

01:54:37.700 --> 01:54:39.620
memory and remembering

01:54:39.620 --> 01:54:40.580
and forgetting

01:54:40.580 --> 01:54:43.760
I love picking just one tiny little

01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:45.880
morsel of a subject and then

01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:47.920
watching how it blooms

01:54:47.920 --> 01:54:49.980
and mushrooms out and

01:54:49.980 --> 01:54:51.660
becomes quite a

01:54:51.660 --> 01:54:53.800
meaningful discussion so I do depend on

01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:55.760
people coming for that because

01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:57.680
the chat is a really good way to

01:54:57.680 --> 01:54:59.660
bounce ideas around

01:54:59.660 --> 01:55:01.700
and have something to

01:55:01.700 --> 01:55:03.560
to play off that's why I do my shows live

01:55:03.560 --> 01:55:05.820
it's way more fun it's way

01:55:05.820 --> 01:55:07.720
more engaged I'd rather know that

01:55:07.720 --> 01:55:09.660
there's living breathing people out there so thanks

01:55:09.660 --> 01:55:11.360
to everyone who is chiming in

01:55:11.360 --> 01:55:13.920
in the chat today and uh yeah Friday

01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:15.820
I'll be going live at

01:55:15.820 --> 01:55:17.320
uh 2pm

01:55:17.320 --> 01:55:19.660
central time central standard time

01:55:19.660 --> 01:55:21.740
and uh so Sarah's ready again

01:55:21.740 --> 01:55:22.140
awesome

01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:25.440
that's the only bad thing about

01:55:25.440 --> 01:55:26.980
working from home is like

01:55:26.980 --> 01:55:28.680
when you're at work

01:55:28.680 --> 01:55:30.900
you know the kids don't recognize

01:55:30.900 --> 01:55:32.980
you're at work don't don't

01:55:32.980 --> 01:55:34.540
you can't just barge in a door

01:55:34.540 --> 01:55:35.500
when I'm working

01:55:37.360 --> 01:55:38.800
how old are your children again

01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:40.800
uh my daughter's 16

01:55:40.800 --> 01:55:42.480
she knew what was up she already knew

01:55:42.480 --> 01:55:44.100
she hears my voice downstairs

01:55:44.100 --> 01:55:45.880
she already knows like what I'm doing

01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:47.780
uh but my 10 year old son

01:55:47.780 --> 01:55:49.980
uh whoo he just like

01:55:49.980 --> 01:55:52.200
opens the door and just doesn't understand

01:55:52.200 --> 01:55:54.120
like everyone can hear you talking

01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:56.060
don't do that

01:55:56.060 --> 01:55:56.940
you're right

01:55:56.940 --> 01:55:59.920
he's still trying to understand like where that line

01:55:59.920 --> 01:56:01.520
is uh the door shut

01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:02.640
you don't come downstairs

01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:06.020
he just got home from school so that's

01:56:06.020 --> 01:56:07.000
why he's like what are you doing

01:56:07.000 --> 01:56:08.540
what are you doing

01:56:10.960 --> 01:56:11.600
that's nice

01:56:11.600 --> 01:56:13.860
alright well I'll be letting you go pretty soon

01:56:13.860 --> 01:56:15.540
do you want to talk about what uh

01:56:15.540 --> 01:56:17.980
raging tomato means where did that name come

01:56:17.980 --> 01:56:18.260
from

01:56:19.340 --> 01:56:21.760
it's uh from the Hormaxer

01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:23.240
that is a person a character

01:56:23.240 --> 01:56:24.960
that is another content creator

01:56:24.960 --> 01:56:27.900
if you know him you know what I'm talking about

01:56:27.900 --> 01:56:30.160
if you don't know him you don't want to know him

01:56:30.160 --> 01:56:32.040
uh but when I first originally got

01:56:32.040 --> 01:56:33.820
started in a space I think this was

01:56:33.820 --> 01:56:34.760
uh 2021

01:56:35.500 --> 01:56:37.640
uh I originally started

01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:38.880
just by jumping on

01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:42.020
uh playing with fire it's another channel

01:56:42.020 --> 01:56:43.700
Alex he uh hosted

01:56:43.700 --> 01:56:45.860
speed dates and he needed girls to come on

01:56:45.860 --> 01:56:47.800
and I thought oh that sounds fun

01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:49.360
so I went on and I was

01:56:49.360 --> 01:56:51.620
a girl that did the speed dates so

01:56:51.620 --> 01:56:53.940
the guys come on and they talk to you for five minutes

01:56:53.940 --> 01:56:55.820
and then Alex provides

01:56:55.820 --> 01:56:57.540
feedback on how good

01:56:57.540 --> 01:56:59.480
or how bad you did during that conversation

01:56:59.480 --> 01:57:01.580
and gives give some pointers and such

01:57:01.580 --> 01:57:03.560
well the Hormaxer

01:57:03.560 --> 01:57:05.600
is a character who jumped on

01:57:05.600 --> 01:57:06.680
and um

01:57:06.680 --> 01:57:09.740
his first initial question to me

01:57:09.740 --> 01:57:11.820
which is why I say if you don't know him

01:57:11.820 --> 01:57:12.980
you don't want to know him

01:57:12.980 --> 01:57:14.700
uh but he said uh

01:57:14.700 --> 01:57:17.040
what would you think about us

01:57:17.040 --> 01:57:18.980
going to a sex club for our first date

01:57:18.980 --> 01:57:19.640
and I'm like

01:57:20.780 --> 01:57:21.260
what?

01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:23.360
like is this does this work?

01:57:23.540 --> 01:57:25.080
like what are you doing?

01:57:25.180 --> 01:57:26.460
and he's a total pervert

01:57:26.960 --> 01:57:29.000
um he's addicted to the idea of going to

01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:30.720
sex clubs he's addicted to

01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:32.660
uh pornography um

01:57:32.660 --> 01:57:34.800
and all of everything that goes along with

01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:36.400
those lines well the

01:57:36.400 --> 01:57:39.020
he didn't like the fact that I was very rejecting

01:57:39.020 --> 01:57:40.960
of our first speed date so then the next

01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:42.980
time I interacted with him on a panel

01:57:42.980 --> 01:57:44.760
uh he got really

01:57:44.760 --> 01:57:46.560
hostile and he was mad at me

01:57:46.560 --> 01:57:48.880
and yadda yadda yadda and he's like

01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:50.860
he's like you look like a tomato

01:57:50.860 --> 01:57:52.900
you look like a raging

01:57:52.900 --> 01:57:55.040
tomato your face is all red you look like

01:57:55.040 --> 01:57:57.160
a tomato and I was like the raging

01:57:57.160 --> 01:57:58.020
tomato

01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:01.480
and so the chat

01:58:01.480 --> 01:58:02.820
kind of rolls with it

01:58:02.820 --> 01:58:05.060
and they start trolling me

01:58:05.060 --> 01:58:07.020
uh like making fun of

01:58:07.020 --> 01:58:08.940
me calling me a raging tomato as if it's

01:58:08.940 --> 01:58:11.020
an insult and I was like no I

01:58:11.020 --> 01:58:12.020
like it

01:58:13.160 --> 01:58:14.940
now I'm the raging tomato

01:58:14.940 --> 01:58:16.640
named by the one and only

01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:17.500
Hormaxer

01:58:18.600 --> 01:58:21.020
I'm so glad I asked because I could just go

01:58:21.020 --> 01:58:23.120
on using that name and never really

01:58:23.120 --> 01:58:24.680
have an understanding so that's yeah

01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:26.960
yeah most people think like oh when

01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:29.220
is she supposed to read like then they ask that in my chat

01:58:29.220 --> 01:58:31.100
sometimes they'll be like hey I'm new here

01:58:31.100 --> 01:58:32.980
uh when is she supposed to be

01:58:32.980 --> 01:58:35.000
raging like when it when it does she get

01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:36.680
angry and like that's the point

01:58:37.120 --> 01:58:38.760
you know it had nothing to do with

01:58:38.760 --> 01:58:40.340
the fact that I was not

01:58:40.780 --> 01:58:42.180
temperamental or temperamental

01:58:42.580 --> 01:58:44.560
uh it was just because my face gets red

01:58:44.560 --> 01:58:46.360
and he said I look like a raging tomato

01:58:47.480 --> 01:58:48.180
there you go

01:58:48.180 --> 01:58:50.840
you're very good at your branding I really enjoy

01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:52.560
it thank you thank you

01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:54.620
I try yeah I I mean I'm

01:58:54.620 --> 01:58:56.580
a business coach and I help people do some

01:58:56.580 --> 01:58:58.520
of that stuff but I'm I'm lousy at it

01:58:58.520 --> 01:59:00.680
for myself there's something I don't know what that is

01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:02.580
well I mean if you think about it like you can

01:59:02.580 --> 01:59:04.080
never nickname yourself right

01:59:04.080 --> 01:59:05.940
your your people have to nickname

01:59:05.940 --> 01:59:08.000
you so uh but my favorite

01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:10.100
thing is to uh troll the trolls

01:59:10.100 --> 01:59:12.000
so when people try to troll me

01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:14.360
with derogatory comments like uh right now

01:59:14.360 --> 01:59:15.920
I'm receiving the the aging

01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:18.160
potato now um

01:59:18.160 --> 01:59:20.200
I'll roll with it like that's the

01:59:20.200 --> 01:59:21.940
thing you can insult me all day long

01:59:21.940 --> 01:59:24.040
I'm gonna take it and I'm gonna run with

01:59:24.040 --> 01:59:26.020
it and I'll make money off of it so go

01:59:26.020 --> 01:59:28.100
ahead have at it insult

01:59:28.100 --> 01:59:30.080
me I will turn it into money and I

01:59:30.080 --> 01:59:31.540
love money so it works

01:59:32.320 --> 01:59:33.700
there you go

01:59:33.700 --> 01:59:35.660
there you go and you have an entrepreneurial

01:59:35.660 --> 01:59:37.600
spirit around your work

01:59:37.600 --> 01:59:39.560
and uh I don't know what you

01:59:39.560 --> 01:59:40.760
that's uh

01:59:41.540 --> 01:59:43.680
if you ever had any intention to be in

01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:45.880
that line of work could you even have imagined

01:59:45.880 --> 01:59:47.300
it uh

01:59:48.660 --> 01:59:50.160
well no I mean

01:59:50.160 --> 01:59:51.820
let me take that back like I grew up

01:59:51.820 --> 01:59:53.700
on stage uh I was a little

01:59:53.700 --> 01:59:55.600
ballerina um between

01:59:55.600 --> 01:59:56.760
ballet tap jazz

01:59:57.540 --> 01:59:59.660
modern hip hop swing whatever

01:59:59.660 --> 02:00:01.620
any type of dance you name it

02:00:01.620 --> 02:00:03.300
I did it and that's what I was into

02:00:03.300 --> 02:00:05.720
uh I started dancing by

02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:07.080
an age what five

02:00:07.700 --> 02:00:09.620
um and it grew to the point

02:00:09.620 --> 02:00:11.760
by by the time I was in high school I was

02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:13.380
uh an apprentice I had an apprenticeship

02:00:13.380 --> 02:00:15.200
at a studio so I was teaching

02:00:15.200 --> 02:00:17.660
the younger classes uh I was even

02:00:17.660 --> 02:00:19.140
teaching all the way up to grown

02:00:19.140 --> 02:00:20.600
adults um

02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:23.460
but uh the stage was

02:00:23.460 --> 02:00:25.400
what I loved the most my mom would even

02:00:25.400 --> 02:00:27.140
say that's the only place you're not clumsy

02:00:27.140 --> 02:00:29.100
is is the minute you with

02:00:29.100 --> 02:00:30.920
the minute you get on stage it's when you suddenly

02:00:30.920 --> 02:00:33.040
you you know where everything's at

02:00:33.040 --> 02:00:35.120
and you find all of your grace um

02:00:35.120 --> 02:00:37.300
but outside the stage I'm just a clumsy

02:00:37.300 --> 02:00:39.000
knock like trip I fall I spill

02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:40.600
everything and then I'm in a hot mess

02:00:41.140 --> 02:00:42.580
uh but then um

02:00:43.040 --> 02:00:45.200
I mean I always love the stage

02:00:45.200 --> 02:00:45.780
I always

02:00:47.020 --> 02:00:48.900
I'll say it this way I'm incredibly

02:00:48.900 --> 02:00:50.860
shy most people don't think that

02:00:50.860 --> 02:00:53.260
but I am incredibly shy I don't

02:00:53.260 --> 02:00:55.080
like to speak up I don't like to be center

02:00:55.080 --> 02:00:56.920
of attention I don't like to be the limelight

02:00:56.920 --> 02:00:59.200
but if it's something I'm good

02:00:59.200 --> 02:01:01.040
at get out of my way

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that is my center stage move

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uh so so it kind

02:01:05.180 --> 02:01:07.220
of I think it has its working points

02:01:07.220 --> 02:01:09.020
so during the debates it works

02:01:09.020 --> 02:01:11.020
because I'm okay with shutting up I don't have to

02:01:11.020 --> 02:01:12.760
be the limelight in that you're the debater

02:01:12.760 --> 02:01:14.740
you're supposed to be the expert on what you're doing

02:01:14.740 --> 02:01:16.440
so I'm gonna sit back and let you talk

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uh but when it is something where it's my turn

02:01:19.000 --> 02:01:20.900
to shine I'm gonna take that light

02:01:20.900 --> 02:01:23.000
and and I'm gonna have it all eyes on me

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so I think it has a healthy mix there

02:01:25.040 --> 02:01:27.140
and I think it works um and I think

02:01:27.140 --> 02:01:29.120
that's that's what makes the show do what it does

02:01:29.120 --> 02:01:31.280
could I have ever seen myself doing this

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no even when I

02:01:33.100 --> 02:01:35.040
first entered YouTube and being

02:01:35.040 --> 02:01:36.940
just a panelist I was like nah I never

02:01:36.940 --> 02:01:38.640
would want to run my own show because

02:01:39.340 --> 02:01:40.440
that's that's like

02:01:41.080 --> 02:01:43.040
what would I even do you know

02:01:43.040 --> 02:01:45.000
like I don't care about all

02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:47.160
of this stuff I enjoy having fun and talking

02:01:47.160 --> 02:01:48.820
to other people but what do I care

02:01:48.820 --> 02:01:51.120
and then it just evolved the way it did and now

02:01:51.120 --> 02:01:53.020
here we are now I'm the raging tomato

02:01:53.020 --> 02:01:55.020
and 10th man 36

02:01:55.020 --> 02:01:57.160
says you are his I'm assuming

02:01:57.160 --> 02:01:58.560
his favorite

02:01:58.880 --> 02:02:00.940
female streamer that's really nice

02:02:00.940 --> 02:02:03.120
yeah and he's

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but he says he might be

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controlled opposition

02:02:07.040 --> 02:02:07.960
please not

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fair enough fair enough

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yeah yeah could be and they sometimes

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they don't know like it's not

02:02:15.240 --> 02:02:16.980
necessarily that they're self-aware

02:02:16.980 --> 02:02:19.180
and there's not a lot of ways to actually

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know that so if anyone's really interested

02:02:21.500 --> 02:02:22.940
in in archetypes of

02:02:22.940 --> 02:02:24.720
or in the

02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:27.320
controlled opposition I did a deep dive and I

02:02:27.320 --> 02:02:29.160
created the eight archetypes of

02:02:29.740 --> 02:02:31.200
controlled opposition because I was

02:02:31.200 --> 02:02:33.060
seeing all the characters in the show and I was

02:02:33.060 --> 02:02:33.940
sick of

02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:37.040
researching and being down the rabbit hole of

02:02:37.040 --> 02:02:38.920
individuals I just wanted people to see the

02:02:38.920 --> 02:02:41.060
patterns of how it shows up being able to

02:02:41.060 --> 02:02:42.920
recognize it and not waste

02:02:42.920 --> 02:02:44.960
their time in those arenas

02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:46.920
and supporting those guys and sending them

02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:49.040
money and all the other things

02:02:49.040 --> 02:02:50.900
you know what I would be interested in

02:02:50.900 --> 02:02:52.940
is if you were ever to

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review a debate or open panel

02:02:55.120 --> 02:02:56.840
and be able to sit and pinpoint

02:02:56.840 --> 02:02:58.740
the patterns of the archetypes

02:02:58.740 --> 02:03:00.940
and like grab at them

02:03:00.940 --> 02:03:02.640
and see what they are and what even

02:03:02.640 --> 02:03:04.780
you know even if if you were taking

02:03:04.780 --> 02:03:07.120
an estimated guess in the first

02:03:07.120 --> 02:03:09.120
1020 minutes of who's going to be

02:03:09.120 --> 02:03:10.920
what that would

02:03:10.920 --> 02:03:12.940
capture my attention to

02:03:12.940 --> 02:03:14.840
see how quickly you can pinpoint

02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:16.820
them. That would be a lot of fun

02:03:16.820 --> 02:03:18.380
I would like that yeah there's

02:03:18.380 --> 02:03:20.580
archetypal information there was one guy who came

02:03:20.580 --> 02:03:21.500
in the house of free will

02:03:23.240 --> 02:03:24.040
newly and

02:03:24.620 --> 02:03:26.320
he said oh where do I do the quiz

02:03:26.840 --> 02:03:28.640
and I said well if I had to guess

02:03:28.640 --> 02:03:30.480
he was asking like what archetype I guess

02:03:30.480 --> 02:03:32.600
he was asking me I said if I had to

02:03:32.600 --> 02:03:34.340
guess it's the alchemist

02:03:34.340 --> 02:03:36.600
and it's exactly what he turned

02:03:36.600 --> 02:03:38.480
into which is actually a very rare response

02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:40.340
in my world and

02:03:40.340 --> 02:03:42.360
it's not magic

02:03:42.360 --> 02:03:44.560
and it's not even like a leap of intuition

02:03:44.560 --> 02:03:46.420
is that there's one glaring

02:03:46.420 --> 02:03:47.560
shadow that he had

02:03:48.220 --> 02:03:50.280
and it's they're so specific

02:03:50.280 --> 02:03:52.300
so if you find the shadows you often can

02:03:52.300 --> 02:03:54.320
easily find the archetype if you find

02:03:54.320 --> 02:03:56.000
the gifts they can blur

02:03:56.000 --> 02:03:58.200
across archetypes and not be

02:03:58.200 --> 02:04:00.400
that specific but but yeah I'd be game

02:04:00.400 --> 02:04:02.200
for something like that if you ever created it

02:04:02.200 --> 02:04:04.220
I'd be happy to be yeah that

02:04:04.220 --> 02:04:06.240
kind of role and have some fun with that

02:04:06.240 --> 02:04:08.100
yeah women reviewing debates

02:04:08.100 --> 02:04:09.620
in general would be really fun

02:04:09.620 --> 02:04:11.380
you got the arena

02:04:11.380 --> 02:04:13.660
and then the women reviewing that sounds

02:04:13.660 --> 02:04:15.200
like a pretty decent balance

02:04:16.020 --> 02:04:17.380
it will just be

02:04:17.380 --> 02:04:19.240
it will just be the mean

02:04:19.240 --> 02:04:21.620
mean women at that point that's how it would

02:04:21.620 --> 02:04:23.120
be responded to

02:04:23.680 --> 02:04:25.640
it could be yeah again it could

02:04:25.640 --> 02:04:27.400
be done in a mean way just out of pride

02:04:27.400 --> 02:04:29.380
and judgment and all that kind of thing

02:04:29.380 --> 02:04:31.680
but it can also be done in a way that's very clean

02:04:31.680 --> 02:04:32.880
just you know it's just seeing

02:04:33.460 --> 02:04:35.680
seeing what is and that's to me what we

02:04:35.680 --> 02:04:37.520
need from each other is to mirror

02:04:37.520 --> 02:04:39.840
right we don't see ourselves that easily

02:04:39.840 --> 02:04:41.580
just when we're on our own

02:04:41.580 --> 02:04:43.180
but when we have relationships

02:04:43.180 --> 02:04:45.260
and connections then

02:04:45.260 --> 02:04:47.400
that's when we get more reflection

02:04:47.400 --> 02:04:49.920
back because I think I'm perfect until I try

02:04:49.920 --> 02:04:51.560
to you know

02:04:51.560 --> 02:04:52.760
be in a relationship with someone

02:04:53.500 --> 02:04:55.500
I would even go as far as

02:04:55.500 --> 02:04:55.780
saying

02:04:57.440 --> 02:04:59.460
seeing what reflects back to

02:04:59.460 --> 02:05:01.560
you based on who the person is

02:05:01.560 --> 02:05:03.300
and how they engage and interact

02:05:03.300 --> 02:05:05.400
with you to me that's more

02:05:05.400 --> 02:05:07.360
telling of who you are as a person

02:05:07.360 --> 02:05:08.120
versus

02:05:09.740 --> 02:05:11.260
who they are right

02:05:11.860 --> 02:05:13.260
so if somebody interacts

02:05:13.260 --> 02:05:15.140
and engages with you in such a mean way

02:05:15.140 --> 02:05:17.080
and then you respond a very particular

02:05:17.080 --> 02:05:17.720
way

02:05:20.300 --> 02:05:21.340
I like

02:05:21.340 --> 02:05:23.240
to see how I reflect off of

02:05:23.240 --> 02:05:25.140
people I like to see what gets brought

02:05:25.140 --> 02:05:27.380
out because then that tells me

02:05:27.380 --> 02:05:28.780
with that personality

02:05:29.340 --> 02:05:30.940
this is what you're bringing out of me

02:05:30.940 --> 02:05:33.480
why you know do I feel

02:05:33.480 --> 02:05:35.040
threatened do I feel defensive

02:05:35.040 --> 02:05:37.180
do I feel combative do I feel shy

02:05:37.180 --> 02:05:39.080
do I feel sheepish do I feel quiet

02:05:39.080 --> 02:05:41.160
do I feel feminine do I feel

02:05:41.160 --> 02:05:43.120
vulnerable why is it

02:05:43.120 --> 02:05:45.380
you that is bringing that out

02:05:45.380 --> 02:05:47.440
of me and that to me is

02:05:47.440 --> 02:05:49.060
more vital information

02:05:49.060 --> 02:05:50.800
than just how I'm

02:05:51.220 --> 02:05:53.320
responding exactly yeah

02:05:53.320 --> 02:05:54.960
because that's the mix or the marriage

02:05:54.960 --> 02:05:57.220
the melding of the energies

02:05:57.220 --> 02:05:59.300
and that's where there's a lot of

02:05:59.300 --> 02:06:00.740
information a lot of data

02:06:00.740 --> 02:06:02.700
can be good data can be

02:06:02.700 --> 02:06:04.900
harvested from that so yeah I like

02:06:04.900 --> 02:06:06.620
that too that's why I like to I've been

02:06:06.620 --> 02:06:08.580
watching again Joel Schaefer and

02:06:08.580 --> 02:06:10.540
multiple people have interviewed him

02:06:10.540 --> 02:06:12.260
recently it's very different

02:06:12.260 --> 02:06:14.380
interview from one to the next and people

02:06:14.380 --> 02:06:16.340
have told me that about my interviews that they

02:06:16.340 --> 02:06:18.440
often even if somebody has been interviewed

02:06:18.440 --> 02:06:20.540
multiple times already that somehow

02:06:20.540 --> 02:06:22.580
minor special so I really

02:06:22.580 --> 02:06:24.640
appreciate that they like that

02:06:24.640 --> 02:06:26.960
only because you're special

02:06:26.960 --> 02:06:28.640
well thank you thank you sir

02:06:28.640 --> 02:06:30.480
and you brought the best out of me in

02:06:30.480 --> 02:06:32.520
our interview I honestly didn't know

02:06:32.520 --> 02:06:34.400
how that was going to go but it was super fun

02:06:34.400 --> 02:06:36.620
and you are getting it not everybody gets

02:06:36.620 --> 02:06:38.520
it it's it's pretty

02:06:38.520 --> 02:06:40.160
deep and esoteric and

02:06:40.160 --> 02:06:42.740
way out there but but you

02:06:42.740 --> 02:06:44.720
were grooving so that was yeah I think

02:06:44.720 --> 02:06:46.800
my mom even said like it made sense

02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:48.860
why why I was so captured

02:06:48.860 --> 02:06:50.220
by what you were saying

02:06:51.040 --> 02:06:52.660
I think we're both kind of

02:06:52.660 --> 02:06:54.520
in the same realm of what

02:06:54.520 --> 02:06:56.600
we enjoy

02:06:56.600 --> 02:06:57.960
diving into

02:06:58.600 --> 02:06:59.460
and it's people

02:07:00.640 --> 02:07:02.560
personality people in the people

02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:04.140
and so it makes sense

02:07:04.140 --> 02:07:06.540
why why that works

02:07:06.540 --> 02:07:08.280
right and then

02:07:08.280 --> 02:07:10.840
just the 10th 10th

02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:12.860
36th sir it gets me and I believe there are

02:07:12.860 --> 02:07:13.340
reptilians

02:07:14.480 --> 02:07:15.860
and there you go

02:07:16.900 --> 02:07:18.400
so funny yeah

02:07:18.400 --> 02:07:20.460
lack of social skills

02:07:20.460 --> 02:07:22.340
from the red pill crowd can be true

02:07:22.340 --> 02:07:23.880
says duck

02:07:23.880 --> 02:07:25.900
says duck who can't even sit

02:07:25.900 --> 02:07:27.960
on a panel without randomly spurging

02:07:27.960 --> 02:07:29.160
there you go

02:07:29.160 --> 02:07:31.240
that's a gift right there

02:07:33.260 --> 02:07:33.960
we're spurting

02:07:33.960 --> 02:07:35.960
we're spurting would be on the archetype

02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:37.580
scale I'll give that some thought

02:07:38.260 --> 02:07:38.820
child

02:07:39.620 --> 02:07:42.200
yeah this child are definitely spur

02:07:42.200 --> 02:07:43.240
spurgers

02:07:43.840 --> 02:07:45.080
the rebel could spur out

02:07:45.720 --> 02:07:47.760
they get lost in

02:07:48.900 --> 02:07:49.980
well actually

02:07:49.980 --> 02:07:51.820
the lover could spur out because they get lost

02:07:51.820 --> 02:07:52.740
in fiery emotions

02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:54.480
they get stuck

02:07:54.480 --> 02:07:57.960
a king could spur out because

02:07:57.960 --> 02:07:59.860
they're you know tyrannical

02:07:59.860 --> 02:08:00.380
ruler

02:08:02.560 --> 02:08:03.880
or if your people

02:08:03.880 --> 02:08:05.240
aren't following

02:08:05.620 --> 02:08:07.920
if they decide to rebel against

02:08:07.920 --> 02:08:09.200
you it would

02:08:09.820 --> 02:08:11.780
be like but I've done all of this work

02:08:11.780 --> 02:08:12.420
for you

02:08:12.420 --> 02:08:15.740
if there's a mutiny exactly one of the

02:08:15.740 --> 02:08:16.540
king's biggest fears

02:08:17.600 --> 02:08:18.200
mutiny

02:08:18.200 --> 02:08:19.040
yeah

02:08:20.500 --> 02:08:21.920
well Sarah this has been a wonderful

02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:23.980
conversation I totally enjoyed it

02:08:23.980 --> 02:08:26.040
I do recommend for anybody that it hasn't

02:08:26.040 --> 02:08:27.100
been over to her

02:08:27.100 --> 02:08:29.620
debate channel that you do that

02:08:30.060 --> 02:08:31.960
and I'm going to share

02:08:31.960 --> 02:08:34.060
a few more links I already showed

02:08:34.060 --> 02:08:36.240
these earlier but bring them up in the chat

02:08:37.420 --> 02:08:37.940
and

02:08:37.940 --> 02:08:40.180
so I do recommend going to sub

02:08:40.180 --> 02:08:42.060
to that channel and that you'll lead

02:08:42.060 --> 02:08:44.220
you to the other channels you also have

02:08:44.220 --> 02:08:45.960
a Patreon is there any other way that

02:08:45.960 --> 02:08:46.580
people can

02:08:46.580 --> 02:08:48.260
support your work

02:08:48.260 --> 02:08:51.660
if they follow on

02:08:51.660 --> 02:08:53.720
X insta rumble

02:08:53.720 --> 02:08:55.400
kick twitch

02:08:56.500 --> 02:08:57.220
YouTube

02:08:57.860 --> 02:08:59.240
Facebook whatever

02:08:59.660 --> 02:09:00.520
it's all there

02:09:00.520 --> 02:09:03.180
you'll find it you'll find it all

02:09:03.180 --> 02:09:05.300
Spotify Spotify for Spotify

02:09:05.300 --> 02:09:06.980
listeners I know

02:09:06.980 --> 02:09:08.940
some people prefer that method

02:09:08.940 --> 02:09:11.260
I do as well because you don't like

02:09:11.260 --> 02:09:12.780
YouTube gets weird with

02:09:12.780 --> 02:09:14.760
if you want to close out your phone or do

02:09:14.760 --> 02:09:16.440
other things but Spotify just plays

02:09:16.440 --> 02:09:17.340
right through so

02:09:18.700 --> 02:09:20.800
yeah I do post upload

02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:23.220
on to Spotify and so those are all

02:09:23.220 --> 02:09:24.100
on there as well

02:09:24.780 --> 02:09:25.200
but yeah

02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:27.040
fantastic

02:09:27.940 --> 02:09:30.840
alright my dear was there anything else you want to share with us before we

02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:32.300
close out

02:09:33.500 --> 02:09:35.100
no no I think

02:09:35.100 --> 02:09:36.580
I'm good okay fantastic

02:09:36.580 --> 02:09:38.600
thank you so much for joining it's been a pleasure

02:09:39.260 --> 02:09:40.940
just to let everybody know

02:09:40.940 --> 02:09:42.860
I am going to be live again

02:09:42.860 --> 02:09:44.840
on Friday like I said with the best of fresh air

02:09:44.840 --> 02:09:46.840
that's not just complimenting

02:09:46.840 --> 02:09:48.860
myself I do get messages from people saying

02:09:48.860 --> 02:09:50.920
that my podcast is a breath

02:09:50.920 --> 02:09:53.200
of fresh air so that's how I came up with the name

02:09:53.200 --> 02:09:55.020
for that show which is

02:09:55.020 --> 02:09:56.460
pretty fun I literally

02:09:56.460 --> 02:09:58.700
people tell me that more than

02:09:58.700 --> 02:10:00.720
more than a few times and then

02:10:00.720 --> 02:10:03.100
Monday coming up Christine Massey she was

02:10:03.100 --> 02:10:05.120
the one that blew a lot of holes

02:10:05.120 --> 02:10:06.780
in the whole boogeyman

02:10:06.780 --> 02:10:08.860
virus theory that that

02:10:08.860 --> 02:10:10.880
existed she couldn't get anyone to admit

02:10:10.880 --> 02:10:12.320
that it actually exists

02:10:12.640 --> 02:10:13.800
and I believe I

02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:16.520
there was 300 freedom of information

02:10:17.400 --> 02:10:19.100
requests that she made

02:10:19.100 --> 02:10:20.460
in official ways

02:10:20.460 --> 02:10:22.900
and there was not a single peep

02:10:22.900 --> 02:10:24.880
of them admitting

02:10:24.880 --> 02:10:26.860
this virus exists in the way that

02:10:26.860 --> 02:10:28.580
they needed to so

02:10:28.580 --> 02:10:31.300
yeah so it's coming up next week and you can stay tuned

02:10:31.300 --> 02:10:32.300
join me at

02:10:32.300 --> 02:10:34.800
bethmartins.com if you would like to do an archetype

02:10:34.800 --> 02:10:37.020
quiz there is a direct link to the quiz

02:10:37.020 --> 02:10:38.800
I see a few people already did it well

02:10:38.800 --> 02:10:40.960
we've been on the stream here it takes just 10

02:10:40.960 --> 02:10:42.920
minutes to find out where on

02:10:42.920 --> 02:10:45.080
the path of purpose you are so to me

02:10:45.080 --> 02:10:46.400
if people live with purpose

02:10:46.920 --> 02:10:49.060
that makes us uncontrollable and

02:10:49.060 --> 02:10:50.700
then this is how the world

02:10:50.700 --> 02:10:52.500
can turn around

02:10:53.020 --> 02:10:54.920
so once again thank you Sarah it's been

02:10:54.920 --> 02:10:56.900
absolutely a pleasure quick shout out to my

02:10:56.900 --> 02:10:58.780
son who does the intro and the outro

02:10:58.780 --> 02:11:00.700
music he's playing these

02:11:00.700 --> 02:11:02.180
instruments I'm very proud mama

02:11:02.720 --> 02:11:04.760
19 year old that is

02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:06.720
a really good player now he's got a full-time job

02:11:06.720 --> 02:11:08.640
and a girlfriend so I think he's playing his guitar

02:11:08.640 --> 02:11:10.500
a little less but nonetheless I always

02:11:10.500 --> 02:11:11.660
credit him regardless

02:11:13.260 --> 02:11:14.520
that's so cool though

02:11:14.520 --> 02:11:16.080
it's a family affair

02:11:16.900 --> 02:11:18.380
exactly exactly yeah

02:11:18.380 --> 02:11:20.720
alright everybody have a beautiful rest of your day

02:11:20.720 --> 02:11:22.540
thanks everyone for coming in the chat and

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thank you Sarah lots of love to you

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see you on your channel again

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absolutely thank you

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alright bye for now

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alright so that's not it

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just a second

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I got two shows and I've got

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multiple personality

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disorder going on

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here's the outro this is my son

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that was me by the way