and welcome to Beth of Fresh Share.
We are having a little bit of technical trouble
in the background, but Merry Christmas, everyone.
I hope you guys have had a beautiful holiday
and we're gonna be here for part three
of our deco natural health little series going on here
and Dagmar is in the back
and trying to figure out her sound.
You can hear me now.
Okay, you can hear me now.
Well, let's maybe test the mics
and we'll see how it goes.
We had some kind of bad feedback.
So hold your ears, you guys.
I'm holding my ears too.
Do you hear any?
Yeah, still echoing.
I don't know what to do.
Last time we didn't have this problem.
Yeah, so well, maybe is it my volume?
That's too, if I put it on mute.
If you have a headset that'll create a buffer for the sound.
So, let's see, I'll take you out while you're traveling.
I'll look for a headset.
All right, we're back again.
That's so strange when you get an echo
as it was really, la, la, la, la, la.
Kind of thing.
Hell probably has an echo.
Don't you think if there's a hell?
And hello, Miss Stephanie.
Nice to have you here.
You forgot it was Friday.
This was a nice surprise.
Yeah, I was debating last night
when I was thinking about this
because I do consider myself on holidays.
I'm rotten at booking off holidays.
I don't know what that is because it's the rebel in me
that rejects the statutory holidays
and the everythings that's going on.
And I hope you guys had a nice Christmas.
It's always, I always want to use a bad word.
When I describe it, there's of course
good things about it.
There's something about it that always gets me.
So just in case I think I'm so smart
and enlightened sometimes, then all you have to do
is put me through Christmas.
Hell might be eternal Christmas
if there is one which I don't think so personally.
But I'd love to hear from you guys how you're doing
and what you're all up to there,
what plans you might have for the new year coming up
while we're waiting for Dagmar to figure out her sound
there, which is annoying
because it's been different every time.
Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
I'm assuming you guys can hear me
if you could let me know in the chat, that would be great
if the sound is clear.
Today we are gonna be going through the remainder
of the natural health diets
we didn't get to last time in this part three.
And I also was wanting to give a little bit of guidance
on how to get through the Christmas eating
of things that you don't normally eat
or are totally not on your diet
or you know, don't make you feel great
and just give you a few tips for that.
Welcome Maya, glad you're here
and thanks for the feedback, I'm glad that's all clear.
So yeah, it'll just be a few minutes while I'm waiting.
Also, I'm gonna let you guys know
that there's only three days left
to sign up for Creator Code
while it is on the early bird savings category.
So this is a very huge savings right now
because not only is it the early bird
but this is the time when I'm gonna run it
at half the investment.
And so if you have been looking at it
and you feel like it might be your time
to learn how to deprogram and work with archetypes
to get your vision on from a really clear place
then now's a good time.
So I'm just searching for the link here, there it is.
So I'm gonna share that in the chat
and I am also going to let you know it's in the notes
and you can hear me great.
Hello, I'm nice to see you.
I was thinking about you last night.
I hope you had a very good Merry Christmas.
Whatever that is, I don't know.
Thank you very much, Elisa, I appreciate it.
Yeah, it's actually some really good stuff coming up
in this arrangement.
I was interested and kind of pleased in a way
and mystified at the same time that a lot of,
I didn't know the names of any of the natural health systems.
I didn't know who created them
but I had taken part in them.
In some cases I did, you know, with like David Wolf
I was more familiar with his stuff.
But so I got quite a good education from Dagmar on this
because she's a better student than I am.
I just grab things and run sometimes
although that's less and less the case now.
And so Dagmar, you can give me a thumbs up
whenever you feel ready, it's not working.
Just not working, that sucks.
You could try another browser.
That's another little hack.
Since it has worked before,
and I will just double check,
but no, should all be good on my side.
I don't see any anomalies of any kind.
But do you wanna try that Dagmar?
Jump on a different browser?
Okay, good work.
There's a will, there's a way.
My son said, there's a willow, there's a way.
And I thought, how perfect is that?
Because the willow is a bendy tree
and it will bend to whatever wind and circumstances
and that's how we roll around here, just kind of bendy.
Yup, restart, exactly.
When in doubt, restart.
We're not unlike computers
and it's not surprising that our brains
built and designed computers
because there's a lot in common.
We store files the same way
and if you don't delete files, then your storage data
gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
Hello, quietly content bear.
I was just thinking about you this morning.
Hope you had a very merry Christmas.
Okay, we got Dagmar back and can you hear me?
You can hear me.
Okay, so let's test your mic, I'm gonna bring you on.
All right.
Hello, hello.
Is there an echo?
No.
Oh my God.
I know, I know.
That's so exciting.
See how that can work?
It's just like, I don't know what that is,
sorcery or something.
You should have seen me.
I just went through all my boxes
and I was like, don't I have a headset?
Just in case you didn't get a workout today,
you got it now.
Yes, I did.
Maybe you filed on it.
Oh, there, okay, here we go.
I'm just looking for, where did I put?
I had some fun notes.
Oh, this is me and my most organized.
Would you like another minute?
I can take you out.
Yeah, give me another minute.
Sounds good.
All right, and I'm back again.
So what's up with you guys?
Did you have a nice Christmas time?
And did you cry?
I cried.
I always cry for some reason.
And there's, I want to resort to different things.
Like it's not just the work that I have to do,
but that this is considered to be high ritual time.
Is that true?
Do we know that?
Yes, I love Dagmar's hat too as well.
It's been a theme with these last little episodes.
That's fresh air.
And yeah, I don't know what's up with the crying.
There's something, there's something that just got me.
I have to do diligence
and sit down and really clean up Christmas.
I always think I'm clean on Christmas
and I go into it kind of happy in light
and then it's just not that for me at all.
So, and what do you think Dagmar?
Are you good to go now?
Okay, she's sad.
And oh my, I cried, I'm so sorry.
Oh, we should have cried together.
Yeah, it's, I just want to use a bad word Dagmar.
Oh, good.
Yes, let's remember one per episode.
So I'll make mine right off the top here.
And it won't be popular.
You're not going to love this,
but Christmas is a mind fuck.
So many levels.
Okay, I said it, all right.
I remember what Garrett Smith said
or Dr. Smith or I don't know,
what's the formal way of calling him?
I keep wanting to say Garrett,
but Dr. Smith was talking about
in one of the last live stream
about how in a way it feels
like there's some kind of a frequency
specifically being set up during Christmas
and the holidays and probably Valentine's
to hype up the like,
shouldn't you be ecstatic and happy right now?
Exactly.
Oh, look, everybody's crying.
It was crying.
It's good.
I'm not alone.
That's awesome.
You know, I actually,
I'll go a little deep in here
because I usually do.
I realized that Christmas and glad it's over.
Yep, Stephanie.
And I realized that Christmas is the worst setup
for one of the programs,
probably many or even all,
but one in particular.
And it seems to go without saying
it's going to be too obvious to say,
but there's one of the composite programs.
It's rather large.
It's got a lot of content in it.
It's, you know, contains your fear of not surviving,
your fear of not being in control,
your fear of not being loved
and your fear of not being one.
So you can already hear Christmas
is kind of wrapped up like a bow in that.
And this one says that in the low energy,
it says you're not good enough
or I'm not good enough.
Pardon me.
And you get a little higher up the scale
and it points out how everybody else is not good enough.
And then you get even higher on the scale
and it says, I'm good enough like this,
but it's all the same program.
And it's totally a setup, right?
When you go to Santa Claus as a kid
and they say, have you been good this year?
And then the child goes like,
oh, program myself, I'm in danger.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's just a day.
And there might be some deep meaning in there.
I try to remember about Jesus and stuff like that
because that's really supposedly what it's about.
But it really is, yeah, it gets you at so many levels.
Now, here's a bright side to that,
the powerful programming.
My sister who is always on the other side all year long,
I'm thinking, was the programming so strong
that it actually revised her story?
But she called me yesterday
and with the most utter jubilant sincerity,
just said that she loves me
and that she's grateful for everything I've done.
And I was like, okay,
she does watch those Hallmark movies.
So I don't know.
But there could be a bright side to it
that it brings out the best in some people.
Absolutely.
You get a peek at who they really are,
maybe underneath the usual story.
Yeah, and that's why I say,
I'll have to swear again to repeat it.
That's why I say mind fuck
because it's not all one way
by any stretch of imagination.
If it was all bad,
we could all reject it and get on with our lives.
But it's not like that.
There are times of great love and expression
and thank you, by the way,
to the people that did reach out and sent me messages
and on Christmas Eve,
I was singing a few silent nights to people in messages
and I felt so warm and fuzzy
and all that kind of stuff
and wrapping up the presents.
And then I nearly suicided myself,
single-handedly creating a turkey dinner
for my son and his girlfriends.
That was crazy.
Like the whole entire day I was,
it was busy and then right to the last second,
I'm, whoa, they come in the door
and everything's out of control.
And so, yeah, we won't do that again.
You know, as you were talking,
I'm thinking, well, mind fuck or mind training
because there's also, you know,
it really brings out the paradox in life.
Like you were saying, you know, like it's good.
It's not good.
It's not bad.
It's not great.
It can be either, and in a way,
that's one of the things that drives people crazy
in normal life, you know, that they want it to be one way.
They want the one solution, the one problem
because it's so much easier, you know,
but to kind of just be able to sit in them
in kind of the paradox, you know, the contradiction
which is very strong during these holidays,
but it's also going on all the time, you know,
even when it's not Christmas, you know,
you think like, you know, just like, well, you know,
as we're talking about these diets,
some part of the diet sometimes does something amazing
and you feel something amazing.
And then the next day, it does something horrific
and you kind of have to see, you know,
where's the, what's the truth in between there?
Only you know, because it's your body and you can feel
because sometimes you can be feeling like something got worse
but something else got really better.
So you kind of track it, you know?
Totally.
So one of the things that I promised was to give a few tips
on for people that might have eaten the wrong things
or eat unusual things and they don't feel good
and maybe their gut goes off and it can stay off
if my experience in the past has been any indication.
When I go off, then it's like, oh, I'm in it for a week,
two weeks, three weeks, something like that,
depending on how badly I overdid or did the wrong thing.
And I didn't suffer this time.
I didn't have any big cravings.
I did have a tiny little bit of this treat and that treat
with no repercussions of any kind.
So that was pretty fun.
And, but if you did get yourself to a place of indigestion
and feeling like things aren't working tickety boo anymore,
what would be one tip from you, Dagmar?
Charcoal.
I know.
Yeah, that's my tip.
You know, like a charcoal and a nice enema perhaps.
Perhaps you care to have an enema after Christmas.
Exactly.
I know.
A nice little charcoal cocktail.
Yeah, they're a bigger joy than Christmas is for me.
I have to tell you, it's so funny.
And then just to up your ante on the charcoal,
you can do charcoal sandwiches where you have the charcoal.
Now it is activated charcoal.
And this is also going to be from a hardwood source
rather than a bamboo is actually best,
but you don't want coconut.
And so if you take the activated charcoal
before you have the treat
and then you take some after you have the treat,
then you've got a really good chance at it just grabbing,
adsorbing all of those toxins that are in the food.
So yep, really good.
And a magnesium bath never hurts.
Indeed, Maya, you are correct.
And yum, yum.
Yeah, it's actually strangely,
it might be because I have it when I need it.
I like that feeling in my mouth.
It's a little bit like chocolate.
Do you find that?
Yeah, which are you talking about magnesium?
Charcoal.
Oh, charcoal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I kind of like it too now.
Right, yeah, because chocolate has a graininess to it
and the charcoal is even more grainy and crunchy.
Like if you put it in your teeth, you can feel that.
But what I do is also, I add just a tiny dash of honey
or maple syrup, which kind of softens it.
It actually, putting anything in the water,
I learned this when my mom was making her transition
the hospice nurses said,
oh, put some honey in her water
because it actually thickens the water
so people can swallow it easier rather than in getting.
And I noticed that just putting something in the water
besides the charcoal,
but the honey does something that makes it,
I don't know, just special.
Also that, yeah, rather than the black water.
That was fun because I did have a Christmas party
long before Christmas because of the timing.
And we're all into Garrett's works though
and that love your liver, most all of us.
And so we all ended up having the post charcoal drink
for dinner and I just thought like,
what a classy host I am bringing everybody
their black cup of, you know, it just looks beautiful.
Me and my black muffins, it looked like they got burnt.
And Maya added yes potassium also because you can,
that's the thing about electrolytes
is that if you get a whole lot of one,
you're gonna need more of the others
because you're throwing them out of their own balance.
So that's another thing that I'm hip to now.
When I wanna junk out on potassium,
which I do sometimes,
then I have to up the magnesium and the sodium.
Not to get the other two out of balance.
Do you have any experience around that?
Yeah, yeah, I mean,
I'm like that guy that Dr. Smith was interviewing
I forgot his name, but he was talking about how
he takes really large doses of potassium every day.
I think he was really amazing.
Robert something, I forgot.
It was a really, really good one
cause he really geeks out on the science like Kelsey
and he brought just fun stuff to the conversation.
But I mean, yeah, with potassium,
I just feel like, yeah, you do,
I have to up the magnesium and,
but I'm noticing the more I do the MSG,
the even the less salt,
like he suggests doing three times the amount of potassium
to salt, three to one,
as opposed to one to one,
the way we do the 50-50 salt.
And I can totally see that
cause I love the flavor of potassium, so.
I know, I know.
It is a yum, yum, yum for me right now.
And I bet there'll come a time where it doesn't taste good
because I don't need nearly as much.
I was going to say also,
I wonder if xylitol would be a nice add to the charcoal
because it's, you know.
I tried it and the xylitol just disappears.
So you really have to add a lot.
To re-texturize, got it.
To taste it, to actually taste any sweetness.
I just do the little bit of xylitol
every night before I go to sleep
or if I do wake up once and,
or something to go to the bathroom,
I put a little bit of just pure bird xylitol in my mouth,
swish it around and spit it out.
And it really, you know,
keeps the bacteria nicely balanced
and your whole mouth hydrated.
Right, right.
Fascinating.
Yeah, but are you xylitol
cause it keeps down the off guessing,
what is it?
Ammonia.
Your body produces ammonia when you,
not off gas, but when you're detoxing.
And then, so that for me would result in,
in sweating at night and hot flashes and stuff like that.
So I went hard on the xylitol for some months,
maybe two, three months.
And then I stopped needing it.
My body woke up to maybe producing
more of its own xylitol, which it does.
The whole thing of a hot flashing,
I've had thoughts about that recently
and I'm sure this is nothing new to anybody
in the love your liver program,
but just really grasping that when,
cause I've been upping my MSG
and I feel amazing,
but another part of me feels
obviously something's going on
because I'll get like a sudden hot flash.
And I'm like remembering,
I'm hearing Kelsey and Garrett saying
that you need warmth, heat to create a chemical reaction.
So if suddenly the MSG is causing
a bunch of stuff to be dumped
and it's going into my blood
because my ducts still aren't working properly,
that just feeling that heat that's coming in
to create the chemical reaction
to transform that particular toxin
to its next chemical level
so that it can do its steps
to slowly come out of the body.
So I felt like, that is worth the squeeze for me.
Like, okay, so a little bit of that
cause it's not bad.
It's something that I can easily live with
but it made me think of the times
when I actually was getting hot flashes
and had no idea what it was.
And I wish there was some way
we could change the language
and not use the words that are given
to any kind of diagnostic words
because they have so much association
like that it's something done.
When they say the word, the C word
or when they say, I don't know,
name any disease, diabetes.
You hear the sound
and it's like, yes, this is what diabetes is.
It's like so solid, you know,
whereas it's actually such a moving thing.
It's just some toxicity level
that your body is really just desperately
found a way to deal with it
and you get these so-called symptoms of detox
which is the disease.
And I keep trying to reframe
every time I catch myself saying, you know,
diagnostic words, that it's really not all that fancy,
you know, that it's not that solid either,
that this is very movable.
Exactly, yeah, you're almost better off
to speaking in symptoms
rather than names of diseases
which I often don't catch onto.
I just, my rebel brain rejects them
and won't learn the disease
because it's not really founded.
I was just going to respond also,
how are we getting our magnesium and potassium?
So the, I personally, there's a lot of variations,
but personally, I get along well
with potassium chloride and magnesium chloride.
Now, you don't want magnesium sulfate,
which is epsom salts.
You don't wanna take that, they are poisonous.
And I had a direct experience of a,
my very last epsom salt bath I felt terrible after.
And then, yeah, the glycinate is another option.
I'm not sure about the potassium,
but magnesium glycinate.
You don't want it orally, you want it topically.
So the chloride, I think, I don't know,
is it the best absorbing?
That's the most classic one used in magnesium oils,
sprays and potassium you can do citrates.
I keep experimenting with citrates,
but that sets off my copper.
And I can get away with it for a couple of three days
and then it's like, we're not sleeping as well,
more hot flashes.
And at this stage of the game,
I don't want anything to interfere with my sleep
if at all possible,
because I've been having these rock star sleep through
the entire night with no bathroom trips.
Wow, that's, I never thought I would get back there.
I know, I know there's happiness between that.
And I was joking to myself,
between that and pooping good, that's heaven.
Happiness.
I know, I know.
Just one thing to add to the citrates,
I mean, yeah, it's a, you know,
we might have to do another show,
but like the magnesium citrate, the potassium citrate,
they are good, like let's say if you have,
if you get too, too acidic
and you can see your way too acidic,
because they do,
they can make you a little more alkaline.
And they're also, the citrates are really good
for helping to melt down if you have any like kidney stones
or, you know, gallbladder type stones.
So, you know, it's a dance.
You have to try it, you have to try.
For me, the magnesium pitalate has made a huge,
huge difference,
because for me the magnesium chloride was a little too drying,
but I still do it, but not as much.
I don't do as much.
So I kind of mix it up
and the magnesium pitalate is way more hydrating for me
and it works well with my intestines.
And I do a cross between potassium citrate
and potassium chloride.
And then I try to get as much potassium as I can with food.
Nice.
You know, yeah.
And the magnesium pitalate,
you use it both topically and orally, correct?
Yes, I actually, I'm using the potassium chloride
topically now too.
So I mix the potassium chloride
with the nutrition detective magnesium oil.
So now I get, those really work for me.
Like I feel that that absorbs really well
or maybe just my skin is so starved
that it's just like really absorbing it.
Nice.
And I found a new way to make magnesium oil
is you leave a, you know,
if you want to make a half a cup of the magnesium chloride,
just leave it out on the counter.
It attracts water over time
and turns to a very thick, almost viscous liquid.
And it's a bit too thick.
So I cut it with a bit more water
and the potassium chloride to mix in there
and it's really perfect.
And it doesn't sting with the potassium.
So if anyone has trouble with that,
having magnesium chloride on their skin, it's much less so.
Yeah, that was a sting.
We have to remember to ask Kelsey about,
because I know that if you add hot water to any of these,
it's a big part of the ionizing, you know,
turning it into an ion instead of,
that's a big part of it.
So I wonder what the difference is if you leave it out
and you're just absorbing water from your surrounding air
and then putting some clean distilled hot water in there.
Like I wonder what the, you know,
the, I can't remember my organic chemistry class.
Yeah, we'll have to ask her
and see if there's implications there.
It should be ionic regardless once it connects with water,
but I don't know the ins and outs there
and heat is, can be the factor there.
Emil, nice to have you here.
I'm going to pick on you a little bit here.
So I tried hard to get the ratios of electrolytes
out of Garrett, for example.
And he went hard back at me by saying,
you have to find your balance.
So there are some general guidelines.
Now he's saying like three to one potassium sodium,
you're saying five to one.
So we can tell maybe in general,
you need more potassium than you need sodium.
The more salt sodium chloride you get,
likely you're increasing your needs for potassium
and magnesium by doing that.
So it's not really a favor to junk out on that stuff.
But it's your own balance, right?
This is, we're in the world of zero protocols.
There's no protocols.
It's the hardest thing.
People like literally bang their head and run away.
Sometimes I had a dear colleague, fast student,
come back into the LYL recently
and it's been about six months.
And then she's like, oh my God, I still need you
or I need you guys.
And it's a lot to think about having to work out
every little thing, but you do and I have.
And it's a moving target.
So I can't just go to sleep now
as if now I have a protocol for me.
I don't, it's not like that.
It's a moving target and I have to keep paying attention
and I have to keep adapting.
I mean, what better way to live?
Because it's so true to how we actually are
because change is constant, that it's constantly happening.
So we have so many survival mechanisms
to kind of like close our eyes and put,
I don't know, they're nothing.
So I'm still the same.
Why can't I do what I did when I was 18?
When I did that exercise and my muscles became so strong
with just two weeks.
It's you're different now.
And this is people always saying like,
well, you know, this worked really well.
I know, I know.
I don't know why it's not working now.
Exactly.
And then when it worked well, you established a belief
and it went forward into the future with that belief
and it's really hard to detach from those kind of things.
So quietly content bears asking about honey
is a four times proper supply, never goes bad,
two antibacterial wound treatment, three sweetener.
And it's easy to digest,
four can be used to preserve food and meats.
There you go.
And it's good to get honey, though,
that you know that is not high in pollen
because it's the pollen that makes it high in A.
Is it not also that it's full of altohides?
Yeah, you mentioned that last time.
It probably is, but not, yeah, I don't know.
We have to confirm that.
Yeah.
Same with the other sandwich.
I mean, anything sweet, you know,
is gonna go to some kind of an alcohol.
Exactly, that's it.
Yeah, yeah.
And I personally do ingest the xylitol.
Yeah, I have 11.
Yeah, and I put it in the black banana muffins
so I don't have to remember to use it.
And then if I have been,
if there's any sign of eating wrongs,
like I had a little chocolate yesterday
and so I took the xylitol before I went to bed
and it seemed to be good.
Although I hot flashed this morning,
so I think that was my chocolate right there.
Yeah, because I wasn't stressed at all.
It was just my body like, oh, fire,
which happens so rarely, it's almost gone.
And my sepitacium chloride and pure salt,
50-50 with food and magnesium chloride
is a form of spray topically also, yeah.
Thoughts on the, we can't say this.
Wait, is that the one we can't say?
Thoughts on, oh yeah, no, that we can't say.
We don't say that, we can't say these things here.
Yeah, that's strikeable.
So we won't talk about it just in case.
Oh, Janet, nice to see you.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I mean, I'll just say that I've had it for a long time.
I still haven't used it,
but I do know that it can be helpful
to people who are doing nothing else,
or if nothing else works,
but I still, that would be like my last go-to.
Okay, and we're clearly talking here about a C and a D, correct?
We have to talk in code.
Okay, and so this, I'll just add that it is a Band-Aid.
And you need a Band-Aid sometimes.
It's a very intense oxidizer.
I know I took it in Mexico last year
when I was six, some friend gave that to me.
I got way sicker after.
It was, I did not need an oxidizer at that point.
My body was full-on like, you know,
just exploding in oxidation.
So that was a problem for me.
I probably won't touch it personally.
I don't end up needing a lot of Band-Aids these days
and can get through things in some gentle ways.
So yeah, let's drop that topic just in case
because I really don't like having my streams taken down.
And Borax is definitely a poison, okay?
Poison, poison and more poison.
It's a lot, same as DMSO, same as Turpentine.
You know, I mean, there's people who put Turpentine
on a cube of sugar and they swear they become flexible
and all kinds of things happen, you know,
but yeah, yeah, you're poisoned yourself.
So, and you stopped your bile production.
So of course you feel pretty darn good.
So I have a lifetime supply of organic Turpentine now
because I pre-ordered thinking it was gonna go the,
oh, if you have one thing in your medicine cabinet,
it would be this and I think-
I'm sorry, Beth, but I'm just thinking
we must have heard the same podcast several years ago
because that same thing, I was like, oh, that and DMSO
and the other one which we shall not name,
we must have it in your survival kit.
I know I still have like literally a half a gallon
of DMSO, I bet it's gone bad already.
And yes, Jackie, the borax is only fit
for the washing machine, you got it.
And it was supposed to be the antidote for,
oh, there's that one, come on, little doggie.
Sometimes stream yard spurges on me.
There we go, borax was supposed to be an antidote
for the nanobots, yeah, that's,
I mean, I found nanobots.
I was so mad when they were talking nanobots
that I decided to do an experiment at home
and look under the highest magnification
I could find on Snapchat, which is what I ended up using
to look at water and I use borax to kill what I found,
which I did not expect to find them.
I just wanted to debunk what I thought was crap
going around on the internet to scare us.
And I tested nine out of 10 masks, both the,
what do you call them, like nine N1, M1 or whatever,
those are called, I don't know, the surgical masks.
And I tested a few at the time cloth masks
because my son was sadly wearing them
to school for a short time.
I found worms in practically every mask that I tested.
I have friends that did a bunch of tests
and they didn't find them.
So who knows?
And I started wondering if we're actually
infested with it from China,
from everything that comes from there.
They were, they were more like nanobots though.
They weren't squiggly little worms.
Well, yeah, that was my question is,
were they the actual moving little fibers
like the more gallons fibers?
Yeah.
Or were they actually like a worm with eyes,
and a whole biological thing?
I think that they were just the squiggly,
magnetic things that move,
but they don't move because they're alive.
They just move because they're responsive
to anything that comes near them.
I think it's just like a frequency thing.
Yeah, who the heck knows?
And yet when I put borax in the water after,
and then I filmed again, zero movement,
no movement whatsoever.
And this isn't just heat convection
and all of that kind of thing
because it would persist over time and after,
because I did use warm water at the beginning,
not boiling or anything like that.
So I use warm water.
I mean, warm water, I got you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got videos of this stuff and it was horrifying,
literally, yeah.
Yeah, I guess, how do we, how do we know
what the heck it is?
It could just be something to scare us
and to have people go insane,
all the conspiracy people be like,
oh my God, I saw it, it's terrifying.
We don't know if it actually is terrifying
or if it's just an illusion
or if it's just like a parlor trick,
the way magicians can make things appear and disappear.
I don't know, I was pretty scientific
about that experiment.
So I didn't want to find them.
I wasn't thinking I was going to at all.
That was a major surprise for me.
I was horrified.
And then it looks like Maya's saying this is not C and D.
So that's different.
So yeah, we'll go off that topic
because I don't really know much about it.
And Lisa said, now I can become a painter.
You also, oh right, exactly with all the turpentine.
That's what my grandma used it for.
Exactly, you got it.
Yeah, I wonder if I could even dissolve some of the old paint.
She left me her paints and her paint box
and her easel and everything like that.
But of course, all the paints now have become kind of solid.
So that's what you use turpentine for.
I shouldn't say that word either.
That's a buzzword.
Darn it.
Oh, it is?
Oh, come on.
Yeah, because they've really tried to suppress it,
apparently.
All right, well, I might not be able to do anything
with my mouse for a while here.
We're talking about art.
So of course you can talk about paint
and that makes sense.
I know, I know.
It's just dumb.
Yeah, so I think that's a sulfur thing.
Yeah, we've said it a bunch of times here, Janet,
but the DMSO is not healthy for you.
There might be applications where,
and I think more on a topical thing,
but not on an ongoing basis
where you're putting sulfur into your body
and then you're tasking your detox system
to move that sulfur out
because it is actually poisonous.
Just like garlic and onions, anything you wanna add?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Particularly DMSO, like garlic,
it goes through the blood-brain barrier.
I've said this before on your show
that before they had autopilot on airplanes,
they would make them not eat any garlic
before flying because the garlic
would go through the blood-brain barrier
and their reflexes would be slowed down by about a hundred.
There you go.
And that's why in India, they'd say,
don't eat garlic if you wanna have a good awareness practice
as it makes you a little more dumb.
Yeah, it slows you down.
And it goes through the blood-brain barrier.
I mean, it's like a cell phone.
You don't want anything going through that.
I mean, you don't want the things that are like,
poisons and heavy metals going through your blood
or whatever medicine you're on.
You don't want it going in there.
Exactly.
At least the same thing that they use the 5G for
in medical procedures,
where they want to open the blood-brain barrier
and open the cells so that whatever poison they put in you
will go all the way and target the bad cells.
So yeah.
Exactly, exactly.
So apologies, we're gonna keep talking.
I can't take the comment down for right now
because this guy's getting finicky on me.
Maybe time to replace a bunch of stuff around here.
Synthetic biology is the new AI bubble.
Yep, true.
And let's see.
Dan Winter claims garlic prevents your hemispheres
from communicating.
Fascinating.
All right.
So Dan Winter claims garlic prevents your two hemispheres
from communicating.
I am smarter now after a year of not eating garlic.
I definitely, but I also attribute that to the MSG
because that's when I really noticed it
when I started taking MSG
and then the L-Pyroglutamic acid.
Yep, save your money.
Exactly, Jackie.
All right, well, we have to keep talking.
Well, we got this comment up,
makes it look a little weird,
but shall we get into our list?
Sure.
It's like Christmas, we have a list.
Yes, we got a list.
And I have no mouse.
Oh, that's awkward.
Oh, you have no mouse.
Oh, I see.
Oh, bad.
Yeah.
Where did we leave off?
Was it the green smoothie thing?
I think that was our last one.
Yeah, so can you see the next one?
The next one is the Healers Protocol.
Okay.
Fascinating diet.
I was so drawn, I just, the word diet,
it has the word dye in it.
It's not.
Yes.
Oh, interesting.
So the Healers Protocol is,
I was drawn to it because the guy who created,
or who's the head of it,
his name is Darko Velchak.
He's a fellow, fellow Slav.
So I was like, oh, look, a fellow Slav
is gonna, you know, I'm gonna share some knowledge.
And the basis of it is saltwater.
It's all about plasma.
It's that we are, the idea is that we are so low on plasma.
That's why we're not healing.
That's why we're sick.
And so it's eating mostly meat,
but yes, on dairy and lots of saltwater,
like crazy amounts of saltwater.
Oh my God, I did that for quite a while
before I just had a major, major, major, like, bile dump.
I didn't know that then.
I just thought I was gonna die.
I couldn't like walk for, for, and it,
and I couldn't eat for a couple of weeks.
And every time I called him and go, what's going on?
He's like, you need more saltwater.
That's your problem.
And I'm going, but I feel like I can't,
I couldn't even straighten out my body
because I was, obviously the bile was burning my intestine
so bad that I, it wasn't so much, so much pain.
And I hope to never do that again.
But, you know, it sounds all good
and he's got really clever ideas.
And also milk is allowed
because he sees milk as a form of plasma, like white blood.
So of course that was what did me in.
I'm trying to think what was the main thing.
Well, and talk about throwing off your potassium
and also the kind of salt, you know,
all those expensive salts that come from, you know,
Baja California or from Hawaii or from even from Iceland.
All these, you know, sea salts
that are full of hundreds of different
minerals, basically poisons.
That's not pure sodium chloride like what we're doing now.
I mean, or doing the Himalayan salts or any of those.
Actually, he had people not do Himalayan
because he said it had rust in it.
So he got some things right.
He had many things right,
but he was completely off on the salt water.
And he was a vet.
That's what he was.
He was a vet and then he was working with people
and now he lives in South America.
So that was, I mean, I actually really got someone else
into a lot of trouble with that diet.
Somebody who had been a drug addict in the past
and he started doing this
and he literally started to have
like almost schizophrenic symptoms
because he was doing the milk
and also eating lots of bacon and fish and things like that.
So yeah, we think, oh, it's just a diet.
And with all these diets, you know, some of them,
if you were just doing kind of a blend
of nothing too extreme, just kind of going the middle road,
you still be better off than just doing one of these,
like, which is just like, you know, just do this.
Like the Epipaleo diet that Jack Cruz, you know,
he's the, like him and Dave Asprey
are the original gangsters of biohacking,
you know, this whole concept of biohacking.
Before we go on,
I just wanted to comment on a few things.
And then so to emphasize the saltwater thing,
because I have a friend who suffers a great deal
and they rely on saltwater flushes to go to the bathroom.
And it's absolutely ruined.
I mean, I can't speak, I shouldn't say that so intensely,
but it is compound, as far as I can tell,
compounded the problem over time, really compounded.
And I did an experiment one time with it
just to see for myself.
And I saw it, it literally knocked me over.
I had to lay down for a couple of hours after I did that.
That's how badly, and then start getting the electrolytes
back in balance and come to, but it can be addictive
because your body will depend on that
compared to something like a niacinamide
that I've never developed anything for.
And then, yeah, those trace minerals in the salt,
they say, oh, 80 trace minerals, 160 trace minerals,
as are you, like, but then you look at the ingredients
and it's arsenic and it's metals
and it's all of these poisons that are in there,
then they have to resort to old poisons in the dose.
It's just a little bit of poison and, you know,
where we're at in the world,
we might have been able to get away with that.
But now we're under such assault every single day.
Some of us have lived long enough
to accumulate great deals of poison in our lives.
That can be edgy too.
So why would you want to risk getting things
that you definitely don't need?
And then I think we talked about
how they found shrimp in those salts
and there is a lawsuit against the Celtic Sea Salt Company
and I believe that's a class action lawsuit.
So that's not a little thing.
And it's not easy to get a class action lawsuit going.
I know that for a fact.
It's interesting how if you think about
there isn't really that much difference
between the addiction to coffee
so that you make yourself go to the bathroom
and the addiction to the salt water.
Cause yes, that was his purpose.
He had one thing right.
He thought that we should be, you know,
pooping regularly and that's, you know,
drinking a thing of salt,
the heavy duty salt water in the morning.
Yeah, you will run to the bathroom,
but it is not a healthy way.
It's like, it has so much push and fight or flight in it.
And, you know, there's nothing life affirming
or harmonizing with the body in it, you know,
to have extreme diarrhea is not a good way to live.
Exactly, exactly.
Although I give that to myself.
It's a similar outcome when it comes to the niacin enemas,
but the proof is in the pudding how I feel after it.
I feel like a million dollars.
And I do believe I'm healing my gut much more quickly,
getting that niacin in there.
Because I'm not, I mean, touch wood.
I'm not having any extreme bile dumps of any kinds
or even little ones that are show stoppers
or I don't feel good or I'm tired or show stoppers.
Kind of thing.
And I have a mouse again, yay.
I know a mouse, another mouse in the house.
I've said, I don't have another mouse.
I'm kind of a mouse.
I'm a one mouse woman.
I love you so much, that's hilarious.
I guess we heard a comment up.
Let's see, I thought I missed something.
Alternative uses for the DMSO.
Yeah, I'm looking for that too.
Please tell me, like the salt,
I think I'll put it on my driveway so we don't slip
and you know, salt is good for that.
I don't know, I don't know what to do with DMSO.
It's for washing garlic off your hands.
When I used to eat garlic,
the trick is you then put, you don't wash your hands,
you just put salt on your hands
and the smell goes completely away.
Oh, but we're talking DMSO here.
Oh, you're talking DMSO.
I was just thinking, another good use of salt.
It's like one poison to destroy another.
The salt and the garlic, they're absorbs it completely.
Okay, fantastic, that's good.
And yeah, Jackie got the book and was about to.
So you're smart, you didn't actually get the thing.
I don't know why I got the mother load of it.
It was, I almost got a gallon.
Let's see, I think I'm getting caught up.
You're converting your best friend,
you're convinced your best friend to buy a gallon
for his apothecary.
Oh yeah, I know, I know all the advice that I'm so glad
I didn't really give.
Cause I was never really sure enough.
I was always in the experimental phase.
Okay, well, I'll try this and I'll try that
and I'll keep trying.
Oh, that doesn't work, try something else.
I've never really until now got to a place
where I had any confidence around sharing something.
Hello, JJ Hempcreet, nice to see you, Mr. Bear.
There, and yeah, we're all caught up.
Good, and I have a mouse again.
Yay.
Yay, that is good.
All right, and I can look at our list.
What is it?
The next one is urine therapy.
Oh no, urine therapy, here we go, here we go.
Yeah, I guess Dr. Group is the most popular one.
Well, that one was interesting.
So there is something to it in the sense that I remember,
now I never did a lot of it,
but I started with like a very tiny drop.
And I had quite a profound experience with that
because there was something about that.
I mean, it literally felt like my whole life flashed
before me and I don't know if it was because my urine
was so toxic or because just, you know,
getting the DNA, you know, giving a message to my mouth
as to what is going on with my body.
I kind of like that concept
because it really worked well for me
when I started the toxic bile paradigm practice.
In the beginning, I mean, I know it's kind of gross,
so pardon me, but I would just take a tiny dab of taste
of what my urine would taste like.
And in the beginning, it was bitter as hell.
And that's how I know I've progressed as I, you know,
knew what to do and got all kinds of counsel
from Kelsey and from Dr. Smith.
I was able to, you know, find a way to detox slower
and in a way that didn't put my kidneys through so much.
And that was fascinating.
And then when I realized like, oh my God,
I actually drank some of this before.
So I was really just redrinking all the poisons
that I was trying to get out of my system.
And also I'll get back to the urine therapy
when we get to the oxalate, the low oxalate diet
because that also is, so, you know,
I think it makes sense if you're living 200 years ago
in a country that, you know, has bad sanitation
and no medical practices, I'm sure it was helpful,
you know, to collect the family's urine
and use it as a kind of a medicine.
And the one thing that I take away from that,
a whole practice was that now I know
that if I ever get bitten by a snake
or a poisonous snake or poisonous scorpion,
I know immediately drink my urine,
even if it does have whatever else in it,
it's worth it because the body apparently makes
the antibodies right away.
So you could save your life that way.
So that was my yay, got something from this.
Nice, and JJ cured his athletes topically.
So yeah, I don't think it's completely out to lunch
or a Psyop or anything.
As you mentioned, it comes from India.
It's an Arvaidic offshoot as the note that you left me.
And then, you know, the cultural context of India,
you're dealing with incredible poverty
and you're also dealing with a population
that has a very low protein intake in general.
So it's possible that they're actually reclaiming
some of the proteins that they're peeing out
and then that in and of itself has many good health benefits.
And I noticed personally that it was energizing.
So if I drank urine before bed,
I would not be able to sleep.
Now this actually could give credence
to the toxic levels in it
because points are a stimulant, right?
So we think of energy as good,
whether it came from caffeine or cocaine
or whatever, it's like, thank you.
Woo, this is better than rolling on the floor
with your eyes unable to open,
but that possibly could be.
Now we're not gonna worry about being gross anymore.
This is the year where I'm gonna have zero apology
for saying something like poop or urine or whatever.
But the taste was so interesting to me
because it would change from day to day
and it was like some kind of code or download.
Now it's not so interesting that I wanna keep doing it.
It was an experiment.
I didn't notice enough benefit to give any idea
to keep doing it.
I agree topically there's times to do it.
I have friends that swear about putting it on their skin
and they never need to use any moisturizer at all.
I don't wanna smell like urine though
and that's the problem.
I was like, I just don't like it.
Well, yeah, and yeah, getting back to the taste,
there were times where you could really experiment
with what you ate and then there were times
when my urine was like, oh my God,
this is the most amazing taste,
like what happened and then it's very intimate actually.
It really is.
It's a very intimate act of connecting with yourself
and not going, ew, and I don't think you have
to actually drink it, but just the taste of it.
You kind of get to see what's going on.
And as far as topical, yes, oh my God.
I mean, when I did that on my face,
I didn't need anything because it was like retin' me.
I think that's why it works so well
is because it's got all the stuff that they put in those creams
that we're trying to get out of our system.
So yeah, it definitely makes your skin amazing.
So just for pure vanity, I mean,
or for if you really are in an urgent situation
and you have nothing else, great.
I mean, all these things have something in them
that's useful and they could be useful at certain times.
Like I imagine maybe in five or seven years,
when I've really let go of a lot more of the copper
and the retinol, that putting my urine on my face
might be pretty awesome, you know?
And you don't have to leave it on, you know?
Like, like, like Amanda, you know,
it's just, it's just...
But then your face is dry again
because you wash it and then it'll be dry.
But anyway.
But one interesting thing is though,
speaking about pheromones, every time I did do that,
and it was about a year and a half or so
that I was doing that, and I would put it on my face
and I didn't wash it off, but like clockwork,
every time I was near a man or sometimes women too,
but mostly men, they'd be like,
wow, what's, you smell amazing, you know?
And I didn't have the heart to say what it was,
but it transforms into something else, you know?
If it smells really bad, then obviously you're not,
you're not doing well, but there's something
about pheromones in that.
So just saying.
All right, there you go.
That's interesting.
Jackie Kay's got her lifetime supply, TMSO.
Oh God.
Yeah, yeah.
At least you didn't use it.
I could have already consumed a half a gallon
and that would have been a worse mistake.
You wouldn't drink it, you said that,
and good for emergency.
Yep, and urea is in many skin creams.
And after Dr. Smith's livestream this week,
all of those sorts of pharma versions are gross.
Maybe I lost the plot here, what they're talking about.
Yeah, I don't know.
If you guys can remind me if you want.
Alrighty, so let's see.
Yeah, and also with, they say there's so much research,
but as far as I can tell, there's one book by one guy
who had a lot of anecdotal evidence.
It's something, but it's not medical research, right?
Now we know the difference,
and this is the thing that I wouldn't hang my whole
life on this that has been passed down.
And people will say, oh, well,
the deer drinks their own urine and,
but do you follow that deer around all the time?
You don't know, or like where they literally
starving for water.
And so you don't really know the context of that
or how often that's happening.
So yeah, I'm a little skeptical with that.
It really is put out as a kind of cure all.
All you need to do, just drink your urine,
drink your urine, drink that aged urine, age it,
and you hear this kind of rhetoric,
just drink your urine, put urine on it,
it's a urine fix and I did it, Kelsey did it,
you did it, Garrett did it, and didn't notice much.
Well, maybe can I jump over now to the oxalate diet?
Sure.
It is kind of related to that.
It was a bad diet, which I did for about four years.
Well, I'm actually still doing it.
That when I actually started to,
because I didn't have a proper bathroom in my living space,
so I would always, you know, pee in a glass jar
and then go outside and spill it out.
So I got to study my pee for years.
And when I started the low oxalate diet,
I started like dumping crystals.
I would have this cloudy urine and you could watch and see
and I'm going, why would I want to drink these,
you know, oxalate crystals, calcium oxalate is really,
I mean, so it's cloudy, it's white, it looks milky, you know,
and sometimes that you can't see it right away.
You have to let it sit for, you know,
maybe about half an hour or something and then you see it.
And I know some people who were on that diet with me
and who were serious eaters of liver
and the, you know, the arginist diet,
they were peeing out things that look like sand, you know.
So, like the diets got more interesting.
The moment I hit the plant paradox diet,
you know, which is Dr. Gundry,
that all of it was slowly,
each one was kind of building on the other
and they were all very slowly pointing to kind of the reality,
you know, snapping me kind of out of this daydream
of like all, you know, vegetables are good for you.
All exotic fruits are great for you because they
are all ancient fruits
or things that are more exotic, you know,
more wild are much better for you.
And so I slowly started to grasp like, oh my God,
wait a second, lectins, what, you know,
and then oxalates, what, salicylate,
all these other things kept kind of piling up
and I'm going, this is interesting.
Why did I never know this?
I mean, I've heard of nightshades,
but I never took it seriously, you know.
Do you want to go back to the oxalates
and just like rattle off what are the highest oxalates?
The highest oxalates in the plant world
would be spinach and rhubarb.
And there used to be times when women,
if they were not happy with their husbands,
they could basically kill their husbands
by making them rhubarb soup
and making them eat more than two bowls.
So they would get heart attacks or rhubarb pie.
And it's well known historically that in England
when they were, when rhubarb season was there
and you'd have rhubarb everything,
the people would get angrier, grumpier,
more homicides, suicides.
And the way the oxalates were discovered
was that they had to the, what do you call it,
the coroner, the person who, the pathologist,
they had to know whether it was a natural cause of death
or it was oxalate-related heart attack or a natural,
well, there is no natural heart attack,
but you know what I mean.
And so that's how they found the oxalates
in the, it was in, what is that,
sorrel was the first plant, sorrel,
that plant that they use a lot in France.
Extremely high, like sorrel soup
could also out your husband.
Yeah, the year that I had a breakdown,
I was juicing rhubarb.
I graduated from just eating it to juicing it,
meaning you're gonna take in much greater contents.
Well, at the same time.
And then sorrel, I was so happy with myself,
I learned how to grow sorrel
and I would just eat gobs of that.
It tastes like lemon, but I get it also.
Yeah, I killed myself with oxalates, wow.
Spinach I gave up on, I didn't really like it
and then I heard that it's a highly hybridized food,
so not really a high quality anyway,
but what other foods, we got a lot of nuts
in the high oxalates.
Yeah, all the nuts, especially almonds.
So the one thing, when you juice something
or blend something that's high in oxalates,
it becomes way more deadly.
So juicing the rhubarb,
you're actually squeezing out the oxalic acid.
It's sort of like the cod liver oil is worse
than just the liver, you're just squeezing it out.
Like almond milk, terrible, terribly high in oxalates.
In the fruit world, kiwi is one of the highest.
And all those exotic ones like dragon fruit
and all those weird things from different countries,
yeah, those are also very high oxalate.
We gave us a sign in the name that dragon fruit, eh?
You shouldn't really want to eat a dragon
or a fruit of a dragon.
Right, well, that's just one of the things in it.
Like the goji berries, they also have high A
and all kinds of phenols.
I mean, they're, you know, the strong colored ones.
Organs, Jackie said, what?
What if she's talking about oxalates, oranges too?
Oranges, they're not as high in oxalates,
but they are very high in A.
Yeah, yeah, I was doing oranges for quite a while.
They're thinking, oh, because Agenus had this formula
that was his libido formula when you combine oranges with avocados.
Alrighty, everybody's blackpilled about rhubarb.
Oh, my God, yeah, the rhubarb.
And then what else?
Sweet potatoes and potatoes, very, very high oxalate.
Oh, yeah, potatoes are high oxalate as well.
Yeah. OK, OK.
As in, is it that all night shades are high in oxalates
or is that a different category?
I think all night shades are, yeah, yeah.
OK, yeah, tomatoes, eggplant.
And then and then beans, extremely high in oxalates.
That's the only thing that I have to dance around with
because I have eaten way too many oxalates in my life.
So I I if I do beans, I'd rather get my I try to stay
still 60 milligrams below, like not do more than 60
milligrams of oxalates per day, because according to all
the oxalate research and there is lots of it.
Now, I'm not, you know, it's unfortunately hasn't been
integrated with the with the toxic bile paradigm,
but I'm integrating it for myself.
It's, you know, 60 milligrams is about how much
your kidneys can process in one day.
And the site rates help to soften if you do already
have oxalate crystals forming somewhere.
What else is crazy high oxalate?
Anything whole, like, you know, whole grain, any whole grain,
whole wheat, brown rice, brand, all of those things
are crazy high in oxalates.
That's funny.
That's just the opposite.
Hey, now I literally enjoy white rice and it's better.
It's just better.
It's funny how I do great on a diet.
I thought that was bad for me.
So and you know, you know what else is crazy high
in oxalates, which is the greatest blessing I ever got
because it was about five years ago, four years ago
that I finally stopped eating chocolate, besides copper
and cadmium and lead and all this stuff is really high
in oxalates, right, right.
The way that I made chocolate, I made my own raw chocolate.
I would create like a cashew cream with raw butter
that I would put inside the chocolates.
I would make them with, you know, one by one.
And, you know, it was heavenly.
But at that point, I was like, you know,
I've eaten enough chocolate in my life
and it's the same thing.
So yeah, it's delicious.
But why keep repeating it if I've already done it so much?
So I just let it go.
Oh, good. Good. That's awesome.
Yeah. Yeah. Really good.
Yeah. So the one thing about beans to know possibly
is that because they tend to be higher in soluble fiber,
not all of them, there are some more than others
than it might be a mechanism for helping you deal
with the oxalates in the process.
Because that's like you can't say is it a good food
or a bad food?
It would be, you know, what's the package deal?
Is that is that juice worth the squeeze?
And then and then what's your relationship
to oxalates in the first place?
I must have been really poisoned with oxalates for for the.
The goji's, the sorrel, the rhubarb and and the whole grains
and the Chinese mushrooms, Chinese mushrooms, right,
which I never liked.
I congratulate myself for not going down that road
for the most part, except cordyceps.
I did take when I was sick with cancer and I didn't get better.
So yeah, cautious with oranges.
I haven't had an orange for the last year at all.
They're they're high ox or sat, sat sumas, etc.
OK. OK. Good to know.
Yeah. And Janet's asking about oat milk,
which I I think, especially if you make it yourself,
it's a better source, but there's some cautions
because the is it the beta-glucan in oats is intensely detoxifying?
And so you can get into trouble with oats.
And then the commercial oat milk inevitably will have been
through the processing of of something that's not going to be good.
The oat milk, like the almond milk, is going to be even higher in oxalates.
Oats are medium oxalate.
So you I mean, none of these things you should overdo.
You know, like you shouldn't just because you like oatmeal,
but you have to watch yourself, see what happens.
Because I in the beginning, I started eating a lot of oatmeal
when I went on this diet.
I was like, I love oatmeal. Let's do this.
And man, I just it was too much soluble
fiber for me and I was started dumping too fast.
So now I can feel like maybe every four or five days or once a week.
I have some oatmeal, but not globs of it.
You know, just half a cup.
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
I was making the muffins.
I've adapted that recipe so far since the original.
And and now I'm I've cut the oats by two thirds.
And I've made up the difference in spelt flour
and they're way, way better for me for where I'm at.
So yeah, less oats.
I who knew it's a good thing I bought the mother load of those two.
And I have a lot of barley that I'm not eating.
Cassettes. I know me too.
The ninja grain, the black belt of soluble fiber.
Exactly. One day, I hope to be able to eat.
They're black belts.
But I like I like when I make my bread now,
it's also gone through many recipes, many transformations.
I do. I actually eliminated the oatmeal.
Now I'm putting it back in, but I'll do three different flowers.
I'll just do like a, you know, quarter of a cup of the masa harina,
which gives the whole bread a kind of a pound cake flavor.
You know, is that corn masa harina?
Yeah, that's the next tamalized,
which was came into the conversation when Garrett talked about,
if you do feel like you want to get some calcium, then do it from food.
So that was one of the foods that that.
But again, it's high in oxalate, so I don't overdo it.
I'll just do white flour.
Just a small amount of masa harina and maybe a little bit.
And I've also, what I've been doing is putting into the bread.
I've been putting cooked the jasmine white rice, the but cooked,
you know, I'll put quite a bit of it because that rice actually has zero fiber in it.
So it's really good for people who are under types and who can handle it,
you know, who get along with rice
because it's just calories, you know, it's but it won't it won't push any detox.
But if you need to have just like calories, then that's a good one.
Yeah, exactly.
Most foods, jasmine rice.
Yeah, I was starving for calories.
That was a big awakening when Garrett said, I think you need to eat more
and less quality, not less quality, but less fibrous foods.
I was having the apple. I was having the oats.
I was having the, you know, beans.
I was having all these high fiber foods.
I would get very full from it, but I would go to bed starving.
And so I had to swap out a lot of that.
Now, now I'll just eat beans once a day, you know, and only half cup max,
maybe quarter cup, much lower amounts.
What was I going to say?
I also have taken to soaking my oats before I add them.
And JJ is asking about recipes.
Come join the House of Free Will.
If you if you feel if you feel very nervous about that for some reason,
being part of the cult, then I can gift you a guest membership.
If you feel really nervous, you'll have to be like sweating for that one.
And just reach out to me.
I know I know we had a trouble reach you message me through my king hero channel.
And I could respond once, but never again.
So just in case you think I'm ignoring you, I'm not.
But I hear I hear you heard on the grapevine that I was stalking you.
And yeah, so the recipes are we have our own dedicated group for Love Your Liver.
I think there is maybe 38 of us, just small groups supporting each other.
And that's wonderful.
Like I love Gert's Forum, of course.
That's the primo for the education.
But this is the daily exchange of information.
I have a good foods list.
It's been through a number of additions.
We're going to add some pretty pictures to it.
Although the food we eat isn't nearly as beautiful as all of the poisonous food.
Right. That's full of color.
It's hard to get really photogenic on that way.
But yeah, we're sharing recipes and tips and all kinds of things.
So that's I would definitely recommend joining the House of Free Will for that.
Yeah, it's like these little things that you you just need to talk to people
like, oh, apples are low oxalate.
Oh, so bananas are also, you know, so just these little kind of details
that you just like, you know, women sitting at the campfire talking
and men to men, men, men can talk to.
Exactly. Exactly.
You've got it.
Yeah, bean and brainwash, kale and leafy greens, 15 minutes of sun.
Interesting. Yeah, kale is poisonous.
Yeah, kale is yeah.
Yeah. Disgusting.
And I used to I used to make it.
I mean, I would massage my kale.
I have videos of me massaging my salad.
Yeah, I would call it giving a hand job to my salad, doing all these things
to bring out the juices and I'd have to put all kinds of things in it, you know,
from nut, nut, butters to honey to fruits to mango.
Another crazy high fruit, but low oxalate.
So you see, this is the one thing I just want to say about the low
oxalate diet. I learned a lot and I continue to use some of that knowledge
and I've included it in my life.
It's part of my life.
But what's happened to the lovely woman who Sally Norton, who is basically,
you know, got this knowledge out, she can't eat beef now.
And because she has people eating all kinds of dairy and sardines
and fish and so really it's a it's become a very low oxalate, very high A
and very high copper diet.
And so she is now allergic.
All she can eat now is pork and sardines because the pork keeps her
from detoxing from dumping, the bile dumping, right?
Because every time she does the beef, my guess, this is my educated
or uneducated guess, whichever is that the beef has too much zinc in it.
So every time she has the beef, she starts to dump copper.
And so so I knew that there was something not right about that diet.
When I when I heard her say that I'm going, wait a second, wait a second.
She's now not able to eat some of the most important foods
that that that there are in terms of nutrition.
So that's kind of, you know, how it goes.
And I wish she would be open to learning about this
because she could really help a lot of people and she has helped people
and she has helped me tremendous improvement in lowering my oxalates.
I noticed in my joints and all kinds of other things.
But what was her name again?
Sally Norton.
So are we in a different framework now?
Yeah, you're we're down.
She's the oxalates that lady.
OK, got it.
She's she's the she's the oxalate lady.
Yeah, so I kind of jump over to the to the oxalates.
No, that's good. Yeah, I'm with you now.
There was. Yeah.
So that's that's that's all I just wanted to put that.
Yeah, that out there, you know, that sometimes it's it's too bad
that people can't really sit like this is what I really appreciate
about Dr. Smith is that, you know, he sat down like talking to that guy,
Robert, who was researching all this stuff.
He's not on our diet and Garrett is perfectly comfortable speaking
with people who are not in this diet.
I've seen him at interviews and he can, you know, he's
he's not resistant to listening or learning.
And most people I do find are quite
closed and maybe not on purpose, but just by the mere focus of like, this is my work.
But I find that the toxic bio paradigm, for me, at least for me,
feels like it's the most open in terms of embracing many things.
You know, I mean, he's talking about the the breathing,
which I do want to mention, too, for sure.
But before we go deep into I think we still have like seven points left.
Do you want to do you want to keep going on our list or
are you out of time?
What time is it? I have no idea what time is it?
If we're going to go two hours, we've got
40 minutes left.
Whatever, whatever you feel, if I think I think we could do another one.
Because I really do want to get into the low
deuterium, the low deuterium diet and what's the other one.
And then how it relates to the breathing.
OK, Elisa wants us to keep going.
I'm I'm fine. I have time, so I'm good.
So it's up to you, Beth.
You're the boss. OK.
Yeah, let's doesn't mean we can't do another one,
but let's let's keep going on this list.
And then that'll help my OCD brain that's on the list.
And so next we have the epipaleo diet.
This is the Jack Cruz seafood heavy.
Oh, good thing I didn't I didn't notice that one.
I can't I can't get down to down with seafood.
Oh, and just the, you know, the gross kind of seafood
with the with the oysters and the, you know,
yeah, clams and things like that.
He thinks that's the answer to everything.
And and why what's the reasoning?
Um, actually, I think it has to do with the omegas for him.
And his main focus is on the light, the blue light.
Like that's his big thing, you know, that that he even lived
underground for a while, trying to figure out, you know,
what's the best place, best way for human beings to live.
But I find I don't trust him.
I just don't.
He disappeared during the whole
for like a couple of years between 2020 and like 2024.
And then he kind of resurfaced.
So I've been following him since like maybe 2011.
And he just to me like Wim Hof, you know, I just don't feel like
there's something not right.
And there's something right about, you know, like
I'm sure he's got many good points.
You shouldn't be exposed to blue light all the time and all of that.
But he made it into this like, I need my blue blockers.
Whereas we've learned with with this, you know, with the research
that Garrett has shared with us, that that you are much more sensitive
to that if you are very high in a and I find that now I'm not
that I recommend this, but I can be on the computer even in the
evening and I turn it off and I'm fine.
I, you know, doesn't it doesn't like make me.
So yeah, and also he just doesn't.
He doesn't sound well or look well.
Not that looks are, I don't mean good looking.
I just mean like, you know, radiating.
Vitality, you know, so it reminds me of Ron T.
Garden, who is the big Chinese, Chinese mushroom guy in Los Angeles
who brings tons and tons and the goji guy, you know, who's the
brings a lot of these products from China to here.
And I'll answer this question that is this the same Jack Cruz
that says everyone should move to the tropics.
Uncle Jack. Yes.
Yes. That's the same Jack context.
Yeah, but if you live like he's saying that if you live
below the equator, you can eat lots and lots of bananas.
But if you live above it, you can't.
And he's got, you know, some interesting stuff.
I mean, but it just feels like it's just a kind of
I felt like I was running around in circles with him, you know,
like he was more interested in hearing his own voice than
and a lot of the people who follow him, they're really young.
You know, and they look amazing.
Yeah, but, you know, they're in the sun all day long, surfing.
We have zero credibility like they're twenty eight and they're
proof of how his diet works.
Like, OK, no, I know.
Yeah, there's like a lot of this went celebrity.
And, you know, so you're in the natural health world.
That was never the case that you were a rock star.
Yeah, but now you're a natural health rock star.
And I think that stakes some some.
He's got some famous guy that that's that's following him.
And that's, you know, talking about how great he is and how he saved his life.
So usually if you have a celebrity or you become one,
it's just like we were talking last week, so much of this is marketing.
You know, it's just like it like Netflix, you know,
they have rooms where they where they figure out what do people
what are people afraid of what are people longing for.
And then let's make a movie or a product
that's going to get people coming our way.
Exactly the focus groups.
And then, you know, things can start with really good intentions
and then they sell their soul to the devil.
Like I was just listening to Alex Michael's song
where he impersonates Bob Dylan and talks about selling his soul to the devil.
That's a really good song.
You guys definitely recommend listening to that.
And yeah, yeah, it's a.
Definitely an eye opener and keep your eyes open
as you go because nothing really stays the same.
So yeah, that Jack Cruz always brags about all the politicians
he rubs elbows with set off your red flag monitor. Exactly.
I know who said that.
Quite the content bear.
Oh, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah, me too.
When I when I when he resurfaced,
he's talking about all these people he's sitting with and talking to.
I'm going like, you're dropping a lot of names, dude.
Why? Yeah.
Yeah, I don't like that at all.
Personally, that that means you're badly associated
and I don't want that much to do with you
if you're you're bragging about all the people that you know.
I could drop a few names, too.
But then, you know, don't trust me anymore.
We should we should just do a show where we do nothing but drop names.
Yeah, exactly.
And should we go on and talk about the plant paradox?
Well, we kind of already did.
We did. I mean, fear.
Yeah, it's Dr.
Gundry and and, you know, he's doing some good because he's everyone.
You know, all of these were doing something good
because they kept bringing me the the fact that they didn't work
kept kept pushing me further and further to investigate
and to be a true a true scientist.
I think the word science actually means seeker
like scientists mean seeker of knowledge
or seeker of wisdom or something like that,
like the the real meaning of that word.
I have to look it up.
The Latin meaning of it has to do with just seeking, you know,
and and because science is is no different than any art.
They're they're they're very related, you know.
So I'm grateful to to all the stuff that didn't work.
I mean, I tried Dr.
Gundry's, you know, he has like raspberry powder, you know,
berry powder, you know, he's like the phenols, the phenols are all good for you.
And they're not exactly, exactly.
Yeah, I'll just echo that failed experiments are all good
until you're out of time for those.
There comes a point where you're on such a teeter totter.
There's such a huge amount of toxicity that little things set you off.
That's why I was glad I could eat a little bit of sweet.
I didn't feel sick.
I didn't ruin anything like I've adapted to a point where
because it used to be half a cup of decaf coffee would set me off.
It's like, come on, how sensitive could I get?
And it's not sensitive. It's it's toxic.
So the other failed experiments you learn you learn from them.
That's life. Life is full of that.
But there comes a time where there's this this is not
I love about Garrett.
He said, this is not a game.
I know. Yeah, if you think natural health is a game,
it's because you have the luxury, probably of youth.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's
it's it's a it could be a game, but you're playing for very high stakes.
Right. Right, exactly.
Then then that's a gamble.
That's not for fun. You know, that's what I resent
that it it is this game like, oh, you know,
how about it and it's into oils and it's just also romantic
and fun and all this kind of stuff is come on, you guys.
Just figure it out.
All right.
I don't mean actually I'm pretty patient with people,
especially when this stuff is concerned
because people just don't don't have a clue.
So you can't you can't run around and and call them out.
It's it's not like that.
So this is a really good one.
I know this will be very interesting for people
and we got the high fat carnivore diet.
Paul Saladino is a major proponent.
Is he is he the main proponent of the carnivore diet?
No, OK, no, I'd say I'd say there's I can't remember his name.
He's a big hulking guy.
It's the guy who ate an apple and it put him put him out for three days
that Dr. Smith talks about.
And when bananas that he ate all the the liver king guy.
No, no, no, this is somebody else.
Excuse me.
That's OK.
No, I'm just somebody is making dust outside.
It's coming in here.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it's warm and it's winter
and and all the mold in the ground is being stirred.
Yeah, the there was moisture in there.
And so it's like, oh, coming in here.
You want to do you want a minute to close up your place?
Oh, I'll see if I start if I start having a major bile dump
live, then I'll let you know.
You can always mute if you can always mute and that off in your ear.
That's OK. No worries.
Yeah, so high fat carnivore.
I know that off the top,
the you're doing some good things here for yourself
and you're getting substantial amounts of protein,
which is what most people lack, especially men.
And I think this is the carnivore diet attracted a lot of men for that reason.
So they got off the plant foods onto higher protein.
You're you have a very low A diet when you go carnivore.
That's the lowest A that you could be.
Now, that that's actually in a way, partly evidence for the fact
that they because they didn't heal and it wasn't a diet
that could be done in the long run.
And I remember, you know, a friend of mine,
oh, yeah, I've been carnivore and I don't poop very much anymore.
It's like, oh, this is important, right?
This this is because that's your main body's natural way,
favorable way to let the toxins go and let the toxic bile out of your system.
And so and plus you starve out your your bifidobacteria.
Yeah, and basically, if like for like Dr.
Chafee, he is like, you know, a young whippersnapper
who actually can do really well on the
but he only eats muscle meat, salt and water.
OK, and he's doing well on it,
but he started in his early 20s.
So wherever he started is where he's always going to stay
as far as the liver being able to cleanse itself.
Now, if he was in a good place, then then he can go on for quite a while.
I'm sure just that died.
But like if you're 50 or 40 or even his age,
but you've eaten nothing but dairy all your life
or have been on high doses of acutane, then and you suddenly go carnivore.
Then it's not a pretty picture because then you've basically arrested
your body's capacity to to remove the
and to change the formula of your bile.
You know, the recipe of your bile stays kind of back where it was when you started.
So you're really not moving anything and you think it's normal to not poop,
you know, to only poop three, you know, every three days.
Right, right. And I told myself that when I was doing that, I was like,
well, that's because it's being so well processed that I don't need to.
That was what I told myself.
Exactly. I'm using it all. I said to myself, using it all.
Yeah. And I have to put a vote in here for another vote,
but just speak up for how people
may literally brag that they have clean poop
and they do when they wipe, there's nothing going on.
You don't want that.
It means you are not producing bile, right?
This is something and we were all taught to be afraid of a messy poop
when it's like, no, no, that's that's good.
That means your bile is actually moving out.
You know, that's interesting.
Now you got me thinking now, of course, I'm theorizing
there's nothing that I've researched or anything about that.
But that's the thing with because they'll say, well, animals never wipe their butt.
Right.
They like you guys, they have a really long tongue.
Yeah, that too.
But also animals are the ones who are doing us the favor of eating
all this toxic stuff and their poor livers are cleaning it out.
So, you know, maybe that's how they keep themselves
from having any symptoms.
Why an animal always looks so healthy.
I mean, it's just interesting.
I don't know. It's just that I'm just having a thought experiment
at this moment, wondering about about about that.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I think as people get healthier and healthier, just on the on the last topic
is that we should go into business and make a nice bidet.
Because it's it's better.
I'm I'm still eyeing one or the other.
But it's complicated because of my setup here.
And anyway, but also I'm just thinking that
it has to do with your with with your biome,
because when your bile is really toxic, your bacteria is out of whack.
So I bet the bacteria being fully
in harmony and not not creating even more toxic bile, because some bacteria will
that that probably has a lot to do with the cleanliness of one's poop.
Interesting.
Yeah, it is interesting.
I do not know.
And so what's better than a carnivore that you're a big milk
and accutane survivor?
I'm sorry to hear that.
You would never go carnivore.
Yeah. I mean, adding a soluble fiber source to a carnivore diet.
And for me, carbohydrates, I absolutely need carbohydrates back to the gut
biome that that you're talking about, Dagmar.
So, yeah, that's, you know, carnivore plus carnivore plus.
Yeah, that was that was the worst part of doing the carnivore for so many years
is that I just grains.
No, I will not touch any grains.
But thank God, I still had the instinct to keep eating apples and bananas.
Right. Exactly.
So you didn't totally ruin your gut.
Yeah, I didn't totally shock myself.
Yeah.
One more thing about the high fat carnivore, we actually should talk high fat
and we should also just mention that wouldn't include organ meats.
So people are gorgin out on the liver and the kidneys and those kind of things
don't want the organs that accumulate toxicity that are proven
to accumulate and store toxicity.
The fat is a similar thing where it's a ready made storage unit.
So the more fat that you get out of your diet,
the more places you have to put your own poison.
And that's what the animal did.
Like you said, they kind of sacrifice for us.
They take in more poison.
They put it in their fat.
The muscle meat doesn't get poisonous for whatever reason, which is such a beautiful thing.
That's why it's the fat can be not clean, but the muscle meat is clean.
And then we thrive on that.
So, yeah, I was really, really with the fat bombs and, you know,
gobs of of I was finally into the tallow and the lard.
I think I went through at least a couple of courts of lard in my body.
I was probably still suffering with that.
Oh, God, I just threw away two tubs of lard and left it out.
And of course, the animals were happy to have it.
But, you know, if we're eating a carnivore diet that includes bacon.
I mean, my God, you know, then you're just doing
you're just becoming like, yeah, you're creating a better, better storage units
for all this for all this stuff.
Yeah, I have a lot of ghee because I again, prepped ghee.
A lot butter made all this ghee and stored it.
And so anybody wants some ghee organic grass fed and stuff like that.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Same thing that that fat.
It's totally toxic.
So I can't barely even give it away.
Yeah. Going that.
Yeah.
I still have frozen butter in my refrigerator, which I still
but before I would eat like one butter, you know, a pound of butter a week.
Now a pound of butter lasts me like six weeks or six months.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, just do a little and even yeah.
So it's it's a big it's a big, big difference.
But yeah, the high fat, the high fat part of these diets is like
whether it's coconut fat or butter, but either way, one way you're getting
copper, another way you're just getting high A or not butters, you know,
and then you're getting all the copper and all the other
anti-nutrients, anti-digestive nutrients.
So yeah, yeah.
The nut butters are hard for me because so what if I need to have
a last snack or a last meal and I don't want meat and I, you know,
I want carbohydrates, but I want something with that.
So I don't have it, but I just always want it.
I always think, oh, almond butter or something would be so nice.
Oh, yeah. No, I used to love.
I mean, I even did peanut butter at one point when I was raw.
I would go for raw peanut butter.
I would do actually I did do grains when I was raw.
I did do some raw oatmeal with raw goji berries and walnuts
and spirulina and chlorella, everything all mushed in there.
My meals used to look dark green and just like, I mean, a lot less
aesthetic than they do now.
My father would look at my plate and he'd be like, it looks like you're
eating Colomas, which in English means like when you put oil in the car,
you know, like oil on a tire, you know, he's like, you will live forever.
I'm like, I thought so then, but I'm like, oh, no, I don't think so.
Right, right. That's hilarious.
Oh, yeah, just the gobs and the gobs of the fat couldn't get as pouring
on the fat and now I finally realized I can do most of my cooking
without fat because the meat has some as soon as it warms, you've got.
It releases its fat so you can cook it in that.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Yeah, that was humbling because my parents were always doing the low
fat diet. Now, they made a lot of mistakes with that
because they turned to things like margarine and other, you know,
so not good alternatives.
But it was kind of funny that all my life I've been preaching
the fat to them and and here I'm gone.
Me too, which is so speaking of that how sometimes they do get it
right, you know, the low fat diet wasn't was not a bad idea.
And I look down upon it with such condescension.
I know. Oh, exactly.
I was like, no, you need the the saturated fat, especially when
it's raw, it will just clear out all the bad fat in your body.
Right, right. Oh, yeah, I've been slowly giving away all my my
preps to my son's friend to eat nothing but organic.
So he hasn't glommed on to this diet yet.
And so I'm just pushing my preps his way.
And what is SHTF barter?
Does anyone know you have to let me know quite what is what
she's saving them for SHTF barter.
Oh, yeah, I have I have my SHTF bar.
Oh, it's so full.
I got essential oils.
I got all kinds of organ pills.
I got green powders, blue powders, red powders.
I got tons of sardines.
Oh, my God, and salmon and oh, you know, I'm going to be ready.
Oh, man, I'm not I'm not anymore.
I don't I don't. Yeah.
Of the barter part, I should be ready for that, but I can't buy crap.
I just I don't want to buy anything.
I don't eat anymore, although that's I did.
I did get chocolate and I did get coffee, which I don't use either.
And even tobacco, because that might be very well, a big barter value.
And I was going to this is the most common question that comes up.
Doesn't the brain need fat?
Yes. And good luck getting a no fat diet if you're eating muscle meat.
So then it has it has plenty, even when you drain it off and you cut it off
and you go out of your way to get less of it.
It's still inevitably going to have have the the fat in it.
And there must be some psyops around the brain stuff, how they they pushed
all that who knows oil at us.
Do you know more about it?
Yeah, I don't I would be omega threes and all of that for your brain.
And yeah, no, I don't know.
But, you know, just like spinach and carrots or clear psyops.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Hello and welcome, Lionel and you love pink salmon.
Do you want us to ruin that for you?
Sorry. Yeah.
Keep it posted.
Yes, so you shouldn't eat fish because they are a filter of the water.
If you can't drink the water, don't eat the fish
because they will be a gross concentration of the poison in the water.
Definitely never eat their liver, which I don't think people usually
salmon livers, as far as I know, just cod livers.
But but yeah, the fish, not so good.
Mercury, Garrett's been able to see tests and he sees people's mercury
can be off the charts.
He's talking about that in a stream I listened to yesterday,
I don't think it was new, but he had a patient for many years
that wouldn't give up his fish and that showed and it showed
when he started to at least eat back off to once a week.
So does anyone want some salmon?
I got plenty.
Yeah, yeah, at least this is so funny.
Suggesting that I could give all my geese.
I could just literally go down on my street corner
and wait for people to come by and hand them.
Want some ghee? So smart.
I didn't think of that.
Maybe I should go to a mall. It's cold outside.
Really funny.
Oh, I'm very good.
This is fun.
And yeah, so we went for the muscle meat and water.
We kind of covered that already low histamine diet.
Do you want to talk about that?
Well, yeah, that was when I was searching for why is my digestion
not working?
And I was thinking it's small and small intestinal bacteria
they overgrow.
And I thought, no, it's histamines.
That's the problem.
And then I realized that I was dissuaded from that diet.
It's just, you know, finding not eating anything
that's been refrigerated or sat, you know, after it's cooked,
anything that like fish would have high histamine.
But the woman who was kind of spearheading that
she passed away at a very young age, a beautiful,
beautiful woman.
And I believe ultimately it was from,
they said it was from extreme breast cancer
that has like no survival.
I forget what they call it, triple something.
Triple, they had a name for it.
So I was like, gee, well, I don't know
if I want to get into this diet.
If she's been on it and she's so young
that didn't inspire me.
Yeah.
And she was eating weird things like instead of grains,
she would eat those.
They do it in England.
It's a substitute.
Some kind of an, it's called a nut.
It's called a nut, but it really isn't a nut.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Tiger nuts.
Oh, okay.
No, I didn't get nuts.
That was a big thing that people who wanted
to be grain free so they make tiger nut powder.
I mean, just all really harsh things,
high oxalate and, you know, so I was like,
no, this, this isn't going to work.
So I let that one go.
Same as with the anti-inflammatory.
Could we stay on the histamine for a moment?
Yeah, so this was something Garrett told me,
I think in my first interview with him
or first or second, that anything long cooking
is going to develop histamines.
So this, unfortunately, people are really unhappy
to hear about their broths,
that they might make bone broth for two or three
or five days with the same bones in there.
And then you end up with massive amounts of histamine.
I believe that was one of the reasons,
including high fat, that I would feel sick
every time I had broth.
And it's also the collagen.
Sorry to interrupt.
Collagen and the copper.
Yeah, the collagen and the copper, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And we were led to believe that collagen was the bomb,
that that was the good stuff.
And I almost wept when I heard Garrett's discovery
about it being high copper, but I'm over it now.
Good.
Also, the collagen was one of the things
that I was aware of when the oxalate diet,
they were talking about how collagen turns into oxalates.
So same thing with vitamin C,
they were like, you know, stay away from that.
So it got me, you know, little pieces here and there,
little droplets, you know.
That must have made it really great for you
when you came across Garrett,
because you had all those pieces of things.
And then so you could put them into like,
oh, he knows about that.
And he got that piece and he got this piece.
Yeah, and I love the way, you know,
when I understand the bigger picture
that it's the bile is where all the poisons are.
And I understand that it's not just some oxalate dumping
pathway, that it's the bile pathway
and that the oxalates are in the bile
as part of the recipe that makes it more toxic
if it goes over a certain point, right?
As far as the oxalates are concerned.
So then it all started to be like,
oh, I get it, cause it was this mystery.
Well, how do the oxalates move, you know?
Like, how do they get into the joints?
I don't get it.
Well, it's through the blood.
You know, if you have a leaky bile though,
but otherwise there's nothing, no other way to explain it.
You're like, well, you eat it, it goes in your stomach
and then how does it get into your feet?
Yeah, exactly.
Or your deltoid, like with a frozen,
they call it frozen shoulder, but it's really deltoid.
I'm pretty sure it's like either a calcification in there
or an oxalate deposit.
It has gotten much better over time.
So it's really good.
And the other thing is,
when people talk about oxalates and normal people,
they never say calcium oxalate, you know?
They only say oxalate.
So it's just interesting, you know,
that to avoid the word calcium, why, you know?
Interesting, okay, all right.
What do they not want us to know
about that calcium really is not that good for us?
Okay, okay, that's news to me.
So yeah, it's calcium oxalate
is the substance in high oxalate foods.
Well, yeah, and that's the one that causes the kidney stones.
That's what the kidney stones are.
Right, right, there you go.
Oh, that's a good little nugget for me in particular.
The histamines also, I think you said this already,
but leaving food out, not getting it in the fridge.
Or even if you put it in the fridge.
Even in the front.
As leftovers, exactly.
Now leftovers is something you want to avoid with.
Yeah, now I won't do that.
I haven't been sensitive that I know of,
although it could be denial,
but what I'll do now is I'll create a bigger batch of something
and then I'll freeze two thirds of it
and have just smaller amounts in the fridge for leftovers.
But I think that's heaven.
When I have food that's already,
and I just have to warm it,
then I'm like, oh, I've won the jackpot today.
So, but yeah, freezing it, I think helps to,
again, I don't have a trouble,
I don't have a problem with it.
Now, histamine, the function of histamine in your body,
do you know anything about that?
No, I can't, no, I'm not gonna.
No, it's been a while since I've gone down that road.
Yeah.
Let go of anything that I don't need
to occupy my brain with.
Right, right.
Well, speaking of brain,
I believe histamine is very related to detoxing the brain.
Now you heard the word believe, this is not researched.
So don't go and quote this or anything like that.
But because, you know, it's the histamine
is part of what happens when you're gonna sneeze
and you get that feeling of like effervescence in your face
and inevitably you sneeze and then,
and then, you know, your face runs out.
And I, yeah, I think that's a big part
of detoxing the brain.
It's just a big detox.
I mean, that's a big part
of the whole detoxification process.
That part I do get.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
But, and I'm just thinking like location,
is there a closer location than your sinuses
and your mouth and your breath to the brain, right?
It's just like an instant thing.
So yeah, that's, anyway.
And good for you, Lionel, for taking that in.
See, some people, they wanna just hold on to their ideas
and other people wanna do what's right,
what's actually right for them.
And that's, those are much more, my friends,
Emile said that the monkfish liver is a delicacy.
Yeah, yeah.
I wonder what's up with the caviar,
another delicacy expensive.
It must be really awful too.
I wonder, never drawn to it.
No, no, not at all, not at all.
All right, so let's go on, stick a butter a day.
Oh yeah, this is a doctor.
What was her name?
Elizabeth Bright, right?
Yeah, she lives in Italy, I believe, but she's American.
And I started that for a while.
And man, that was amazing, because I was like, wow,
I just felt, and actually it had a very good use
for me one time when I started doing that,
I was driving and I was hit by a drunk driver.
And my car spun many times and shockingly,
I was pretty unharmed, but I was, you know,
quite traumatized and shocked.
And I happened to have tons of butter with me.
And I ate a whole bunch of it and I know that it,
man, I mean, yeah, it just,
it kind of helped me go through the PTSD of it.
Like I didn't have any PTSD because obviously I just,
probably I would have just filed down to like crazy
because I couldn't believe I was alive
and I had to stay in a hotel and I had to, you know,
like just like everything was a complete wreck.
And so the stick of butter,
so it was useful for that moment.
And then I kind of continued it
and then it started to feel like,
oh man, why am I feeling worse and worse?
You know, so it had sort of like medicine, you know,
is if you're about to die or something, you know, yeah,
it can, everything has its place,
but the whole idea that apparently, you know,
butter brings down your cortisol, that's nice.
But, you know, after a while, it probably raises it.
So it's that duration paradox that Dr. Smith talks about.
And then I, you know, there's also who's that butter girl?
I think she calls herself.
She's a beautiful Asian woman who is a piano player
and she Bella, the butter girl, I think is her name.
And so she is also rock carnivore
and she just eats meat and tons of fat.
And she's very young and so is her husband.
She's making him eat the same thing.
I'm just waiting to see how's it gonna end?
You know, so you can watch these people.
I have another person that I've been watching
who owns a big company called Raw Food World
and he sells all raw food stuff.
And he believes in colonics and raw food
and he ended up having to have surgery
and he got, I forget, not diverticulitis, the other thing,
but he still keeps selling his stuff
and he had to start eat cooked stuff,
but he still says, try my new carrot powder.
Try my new beet powder.
This is the most powerful raw jungle peanut butter
you've ever had and this is the cleanest chocolate
on the planet and he's still doing it.
So you can see, you can watch some people
and he was pretty young too, so it got to him too.
But anyway, I don't wish for anybody to have that experience.
I just watch and see.
Exactly, there's no pleasure
in watching somebody fail on their diet at all.
It's instructive though.
You can learn from other people's mistakes
and that's a really beautiful thing.
You don't have to make all your own mistakes.
I just wanted to quickly say that it was you that told me
that wild foods tend to be more poisonous in general.
So see the inversion, how we've been turned towards,
you want the wild salmon, you want the wild blueberries,
you want the fiddleheads, but I hated my parents
for making me eat those things and now I know why.
Yeah, yeah, and you want to go foraging,
it's this new thing, go foraging.
Yes, you can eat all this stuff.
Look, nature has its own little garlic for you in the forest.
Yeah, it is inversion.
And sometimes they invert the inversion
so you really don't know.
I know exactly and honestly,
your taste is very intelligent.
It knows because when I eat things that are more wild,
even I just remember a friend has a pear tree
that has been wild, nobody planted that pear tree
and they create tiny little beautiful looking pears.
You eat them and it's like, get that out of my mouth.
It's so like attacks you
because the seeds want the flesh
and then it wants to reproduce.
Yeah, pears are very high in oxalates too.
Regular pear is high in oxalates, okay.
But they're low A and I'll buy one every six to eight weeks
or so it'll sit and get way too ripe on my counter
and then I more or less don't eat it, so is that why?
Yeah, I always, I too will sometimes just buy a pear
like one and then it always takes me so long to eat it.
Even when it's like just right, you know, I'm like,
oh, I like the look of it.
It's a variety, like I'm still going part of my brain
that needed so much variety before that's better
but still fantasizes about you're going to a store
and you're like, come out with bananas.
But there was like 600 million products
and I just got bananas, come on.
Yeah, actually might end up in Florida
and my friend is growing his own bananas in the backyard.
So that's one of my fantasies this winter
to taste the banana off.
I know you should come meet us.
Totally come meet us.
All right, so I wonder if we should leave it there.
We are at two hours.
I have some stuff that I definitely need to get back
so we can still chat for a few minutes here.
Leaves us with a few things
and then maybe adding a few more things on it.
Oh yeah, I have others that I realized
I forgot to put in here.
There's other, yeah, there's other things
that like Pritikin and Atkins and some of those.
Right, right.
Yeah, so maybe next time we can start with these
and also break out a little bit into things
like frequencies and magnets
and the metaco breathing you wanted to talk about
and pranayam and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, and I really want to get into the logiterium
and the ketogenic and the breathing part too, yeah.
Yeah, that's what I was just going to say
and the raw milk here, that one is a very good one too.
Yeah, I got the book.
I read the book, I tried it, boy, that I regret it.
There you go, okay, we'll save that one for next time
and that will be one week's time from now.
Will that be next year already, Dagmar?
Oh my God, wait, when is New Year's?
Pretty darn close.
My son is going to be 19 that day on New Year's Day.
Wow.
Yep, and yeah, so.
When is New Year's Day?
Is it Thursday or Friday?
It's Thursday, so yeah, Friday,
but we'll be back again Friday the 2nd.
Next year.
Yeah, see you next year.
Sounds good, see you next year.
There you go, and there's still a few comments,
so quietly content bearers, very happy.
You made a full recovery from that accident.
That's really intense.
Oh, thank you, that's so kind.
Yeah, and Mai said about,
oh, this was actually what I was gonna say
about the stick of butter a day,
and can you think of a food
that is more of a comfort food than butter, right?
And it's probably, like she's exactly saying,
dulling the nervous system and shutting your detox down.
And that's very comforting.
Oh my God, I used to make things butter balls,
you know, and I would put, oh God,
I would put chopped nuts and honey,
so butter and honey, and some nuts,
and I would put like some Chinese mushrooms
to make it taste like chocolate
when I stopped eating chocolate.
So I could recreate the chocolate flavor
with all kinds of interesting herbs,
and man, those things, they would just, yeah,
it's like a beautiful, it's like an anesthetic,
it's like watching, you know, movies on that,
that just, you know, exactly what's gonna happen, you know?
It's like an IV drip of numbness,
but you don't think of it that way,
you just go, oh, I just feel so good.
Exactly, yeah, I mean,
we associate pleasure with the absence of pain,
and that's not really what's going on there.
So yeah, you almost started a huge food forest
in your backyard last year.
Thank God you only started with a couple of apple trees.
Oh, you've made a good choice on there.
Good choice, yeah.
Yeah, apple trees are excellent.
I love them, I grew up with them.
Although the sour local apples, I don't digest well,
I have to be just, what do you say it,
honest with myself about that.
What about Freely, she's been all
about the raw food diet, she's in her 40s.
See, she's young, so no, zero credibility,
don't listen to her.
Who is this that they're talking about?
Freely, I haven't heard.
Oh, I don't know who that is.
Yeah, I know, I was, I'm telling you,
I was good on the raw vegan diet.
It was up until I was 52 when suddenly I was like,
what is going on?
And I didn't even put it together,
but just thank God my body somehow,
I would go, oh, I'm just gonna have a little bit of this.
You know, but I thought I was invincible.
I was like, oh, I'm numb to hot and cold temperature.
I'm like, the high school weight and all of this,
it just feels so high and so delusional and so yinned out.
When you're on the raw vegan diet, you are yin-yin.
There was no yang to hold you down.
It's like you're like a balloon.
And that's, sometimes you get those annoying people
at like gratitude cafe in Los Angeles,
who, you know, the waiters and waitresses
and the people who go there, they're all raw vegans
and they're just so light,
you could put your hand through them, you know,
but very easy to trigger in a weird way.
Yeah, anyway, that's my sense there.
Very good.
And yeah, wild berries, there's nothing more romantic
than wild berries, especially Saskatoon berries.
In fact, I went to work at a farm
that had whole Saskatoon berry orchard,
not a tree, an orchard that goes on for a huge expense.
So that was kind of funny.
And we used to pick those berries, you know,
pick one, eat one, pick one, eat one, pick one, eat one,
and how Sikha was making myself to eat one.
What color are those berries?
Oh, they're the most beautiful red,
like kind of purple-y red.
They're like the most beautiful color that there is.
Are they like a blueberry or are they more like a raspberry?
What's the-
Like a blueberry, if you need the comparison.
Yeah, they have pretty big seeds in them.
I bet the seeds are full of oxalates, right?
Didn't you say?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, oxalates hang out, protect the baby.
That's what the oxalates do,
protect the babies of all the plants.
Ah, so I had a smart guest one time,
a young fellow who had a lot of gut issues
in different ways and he would pull the seeds
out of every single Saskatoon he ate.
So he was smart and he knew.
Yeah, nutrient.
That's what the Italians do.
That's why a lot of people who go to Italy
can eat the tomato sauces
because the proper way to prepare tomato sauce
is you remove the skin and the seeds.
And then you cook it forever or something, right?
But then you'll end up with histamine
so you get a new problem.
Yeah, I mean, and still a nightshade, but you know.
Yeah, I don't want anything to do with tomatoes.
I'm very done with tomatoes.
I never was that into it anyway.
I was happy to hear that it's not that good for you
because I don't really like them that much.
All right, well, I think that is all for today.
I wanted to just, first of all,
thank Dagmar for joining me.
So we'll be on for the next one.
You're free even though you're doing some epic journey.
I'll be on the road,
but I'm bringing my battery case with me.
So I can, yeah, I can transmit from my vehicle
which will be fun.
Okay, very good.
That sounds awesome.
And I hope you guys have a beautiful rest of your weekend.
It's very confusing that today is Friday,
but that's kind of nice to have a Saturday, Sunday.
I got my work cut out for me, lots going on.
And for those of you that have been
checking out Creator Code,
I will repeat that the early bird is on
only until the 29th.
So this year is your last chance to get in
at a full half of savings
and then it's gonna go up as of the 30th.
So come and check it out.
And it's a really great opportunity to vision
and create for the new year from a place
that's not driven by fear.
I think we're already knowing what that's like.
But when you create from a place where you're not afraid,
that's to me the real elixir of life
that I can thrive on myself.
I feel happy in that.
So all right, everybody,
I promised I was gonna get a link and here is one.
And I think that's all.
You can always do a quiz at my website.
If you've already done the quiz
and you wanna find out where you are
on the path of purpose,
then you can email me, bethupbethmartins.com
for a direct link to that quiz
because it won't let you sign up more than one time.
And anything you wanna share about yourself,
what you're up to?
No, I just wanna thank you for creating this space
for this conversation, which is so rare,
to be able to just in a relaxed manner,
go contemplate the many pitfalls of this path
and the many things to look forward to also.
And we've, thank you, Dagmar.
And we've had excellent feedback.
So that really keeps me going.
That enough, you know, if somebody comes along
and says, oh yeah, Salmon is full of poison,
thank you for telling me.
Then I'm like, oh, great, that's awesome.
You should be in the house of free will, by the way.
That means you have an open mind.
And that's another thing if you're inspired
to come and be part of our association
that is growing and evolving.
It's very humble, but I feel like we've got some
of the most incredible minds in there.
Law is a real subject again in the house of free will.
We are chewing on the hidden history of English law,
which nobody wants to study that stuff,
just like real health, nobody wants that.
But rare souls do, as far as I'm concerned,
intelligent souls should keep going.
Yeah, yeah, and keep digging and looking.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And so the last time I'm gonna see you for the new year,
I use the 29th as well,
I'm interviewing Dr. Jacob Lieberman, who's not awake,
so I might need some help not offending him.
But I think he's gonna be my first guest
that I know is not awake, but he's awake.
He's awake in other ways,
so Lowell, just let him off the hook.
Yeah, why not?
There you go, that's the new me talking.
All right, well, I look forward to seeing you
in the next year.
Indeed, lots of love and happy embarking on your travels.
Oh yeah, thank you.
See you next week, bye everyone.
Bye.