WEBVTT 00:24.020 --> 00:30.520 Dr. Juliet Angle, I'm honored to have you on Unbroken, thank you for being here. 00:31.400 --> 00:41.480 I have interviewed a lot of survivors of MKUltra and I know you are one and I really think it's 00:41.480 --> 00:48.460 important for all of us to share our stories so that we can educate the average person 00:48.460 --> 00:56.440 on this sort of not so much anymore hidden reality. It's really coming out. So anyway welcome and 00:56.440 --> 01:02.900 thank you for being willing to talk to me and to share a little bit about yourself. So welcome 01:02.900 --> 01:12.060 here to Unbroken. Thanks Max, I'm really glad to be here and it's interesting that it's been 01:12.060 --> 01:19.860 one year now since the CIA released the first tranche of documents in which they admit doing this. 01:20.460 --> 01:28.880 They talk about the origins in the early 50s and how they obtained tons of LSD from Switzerland 01:28.880 --> 01:36.040 through Eli Lilly Company and then eventually used the psychotropic properties of LSD to develop 01:36.040 --> 01:43.540 oral medications in order to dose up the entire country which they did that's Prozac and all the 01:43.540 --> 01:53.420 derivatives related to that. So I'm sure if you don't have the links to the CIA documents I'll 01:53.420 --> 01:59.400 send them to you to put in the show notes. Yeah there's been two tranches and each tranche 02:02.400 --> 02:09.320 I said that would be great to include those and you know what you're saying is true and but I think 02:09.320 --> 02:16.360 as we're going to find out as we speak it's not just the LSD so they've admitted to that but 02:16.360 --> 02:22.020 they haven't admitted to what they do to us children in terms of the torture and the sex 02:22.020 --> 02:30.380 slave and all of that so anyway but that's the anniversary okay it is and that's our job as 02:30.380 --> 02:36.720 the survivors because they admit to Project Monarch they admit to the origins of it they admit 02:36.720 --> 02:42.320 to the CIA being responsible and how it was funded through their black budgets and all of that 02:42.320 --> 02:50.700 but of course they never admit they do obliquely they do and I'll get into that as we talk about 02:50.700 --> 02:59.580 this but I'm probably one of your oldest survivors that you've you've interviewed I'm almost 77 years old 02:59.580 --> 03:11.740 and the CIA was founded in 1947 from 47 to 50 representatives of the CIA were meeting with 03:11.740 --> 03:17.880 the German survivors of the the scientists who'd conducted the experiments in the concentration 03:17.880 --> 03:24.920 camps who were bargaining for their lives and freedom by turning over all the masses of their 03:24.920 --> 03:33.740 inhuman cruel satanic ritual abuse materials that they developed over the course of the war 03:33.740 --> 03:41.440 and before that they'd actually started in the in the turn of the century all of that should 03:41.440 --> 03:48.460 have been burned destroyed none of this should have been passed on to humanity but the these men 03:48.460 --> 03:57.320 including five of my uncles who were in the in Nuremberg saw a way to gain enormous power by using 03:57.320 --> 04:02.680 it and of course they couldn't even though they were all fluent German speakers they couldn't use 04:02.680 --> 04:07.660 it without the German scientists so instead of hanging them which they should have done 04:08.320 --> 04:14.740 and destroying all of that that research which never should have been done in the first place 04:14.740 --> 04:19.220 they made a bargain they made a devil's bargain they brought them to the United States 04:20.100 --> 04:27.680 at least 1500 of them 100 of them were processed in Huntsville, Alabama and distributed around the 04:27.680 --> 04:34.880 United States and given unlimited funding this was the beginning of the CIA black budgets 04:35.680 --> 04:42.540 the program is classified 18 levels above the president of the United States meaning that it's 04:42.540 --> 04:49.620 such a top secret project that not even the president or the congress or any overseeing body can ever 04:49.620 --> 04:57.940 look at it fortunately the CIA itself just released two trenches of documents explaining 04:57.940 --> 05:05.520 what they did where it is not in the detail that as survivors we can explain it so this this was 05:05.520 --> 05:14.140 starting up at the beginning of 1950 1953 they formalized it and created the MK altar program 05:14.140 --> 05:19.560 and put Sydney Gottlieb in charge of it and up until that point he had been what they called 05:19.560 --> 05:25.880 the chief poisoner of the CIA he was the head of tactical services for the OSS which is the 05:25.880 --> 05:35.140 precursor to the CIA and then the CIA and then he became head of MK ultra largely because of the 05:35.140 --> 05:41.580 connections to the the drugs that they wanted to develop to create mass mind control and these 05:41.580 --> 05:49.520 these drugs including well mainly LSD and its derivatives were developed in the by the 05:49.520 --> 06:02.180 Nazi scientists as means of mind control and memory control so 1953 MK ultra starts 1955 I was 06:02.180 --> 06:07.260 six years old and my uncle was one of the founders of the national security agency 06:07.860 --> 06:14.360 and my other uncles were all CIA and they were working out with project paperclip in 06:14.360 --> 06:21.100 distributing the scientists around the United States they got new names new jobs new homes lots 06:21.100 --> 06:30.280 of benefits and money because they were bringing pure evil to our country and the founders of the 06:30.280 --> 06:39.460 MK ultra program put their own children in it because their idea was that we would then have 06:39.460 --> 06:48.480 these obscene satanic powers and we would start programming other other people other children 06:50.420 --> 06:58.480 and perpetuate the the the Nazi ideology and the satanic rituals and the abuse and 06:58.920 --> 07:03.500 all of the things that went with it and there was a highly magical thinking component 07:05.360 --> 07:12.360 and and why they wanted to start with very very young children is that they they knew that extreme 07:12.360 --> 07:21.500 sexual abuse ritual abuse tannic abuse is most effective before people become verbal so they 07:21.500 --> 07:31.780 wanted pre verbal children and their goal as far as I can see was clearly to to create dissociative 07:31.780 --> 07:38.840 identity disorder in in it's called a disorder it's a defense mechanism so you take a you take 07:38.840 --> 07:47.400 a child particularly a pre verbal child and you torture it and terrify it and and abuse it 07:48.400 --> 07:53.980 the only way to survive as a child and I remember this myself very well is you leave 07:54.880 --> 08:01.940 so I spent a great deal of my childhood dissociated and often some other place 08:02.780 --> 08:10.920 where the pain and the terror and the abuse couldn't reach me and in 1955 I had to watch 08:10.920 --> 08:19.300 my father sell me and he sold me to george white who is who is in the documents the cia documents 08:19.750 --> 08:26.920 he was the man in charge of the cia they called them safe houses and this is where they carried out 08:26.920 --> 08:35.980 the mk ultra program in 100 but by by the 1970s this was in 150 identified sites around the 08:35.980 --> 08:43.040 united states and in 85 universities and hospitals and other institutions that's how fast it grew 08:43.040 --> 08:50.120 so so that's less than 20 years it grew to have to have been hundreds and hundreds of children 08:53.200 --> 09:02.380 so I at the age of six had to watch my father sell me while george white raped me 09:03.280 --> 09:08.960 and when I was screaming for my father he turned to me and said now this is what I raised you for 09:10.540 --> 09:19.180 and that's all I ever remembered of my childhood I got when I escaped from the mk ultra program 09:19.180 --> 09:27.180 11 years later I forgot everything but that so whenever I went back and tried to remember 09:27.180 --> 09:38.640 I would hit that's what I sold you for and so I grew up clearly in retrospect being 09:38.640 --> 09:48.000 raised as an agent having multiple identities which corresponded to multiple languages all 09:48.000 --> 09:55.580 different places different names different characters I still can't go easily from one 09:55.580 --> 10:05.040 to the other I have to go out around up and and so my mind is still is still affected by the 10:05.580 --> 10:12.780 the uh it's annoying and people that know me for a while or around me for a while see me do it 10:13.480 --> 10:20.000 because uh they'll ask me a question about my time in medical school and I can't just recall 10:20.000 --> 10:27.600 that I have to go down over you know look here look there find it and then it's all photographic 10:27.600 --> 10:37.200 so so um people think I'm I'm kidding or or um you know doing something to annoy them 10:38.060 --> 10:43.080 but I honestly I just want to say something real quick sorry to interrupt you Juliet but 10:43.720 --> 10:51.380 that's very I really like I want to highlight what you said that the dissociation it's a it's 10:51.380 --> 10:59.360 actually an incredible defense mechanism of the psyche to keep us alive so I agree with you 10:59.360 --> 11:06.040 you know as someone who's trained in psychology I I don't think it's a disorder I think the only 11:06.040 --> 11:11.220 disorder the you could take every diagnosis in psychology and just call it trauma that's 11:11.220 --> 11:17.520 really all everything is trauma but that's not a disorder that's a brilliant coping mechanism 11:17.520 --> 11:24.020 you know and I I also just want to highlight what what you were saying like I speak multiple 11:24.020 --> 11:30.060 languages and when I remember certain things I remember them in certain languages and I 11:30.060 --> 11:37.820 remember things by country that I lived in and so it you know to have that it's not 11:37.820 --> 11:43.100 it's not even a disorder you actually the people who are very dissociated are actually 11:43.100 --> 11:49.720 extremely brilliant okay so I just want to interest interject that um in what you were 11:49.720 --> 11:57.120 saying so thank you for framing it that way hi everyone I'm excited to announce that uh myself 11:57.120 --> 12:03.960 and Kimberley from Journey to New Earth are going to be doing monthly lives the last Sunday 12:03.960 --> 12:12.660 of every month starting in January on the 25th at 10 a.m. pacific standard time um I'm happy to 12:12.660 --> 12:20.260 answer any and all of your questions we're going to have q and a I will be talking about chemtrails 12:20.820 --> 12:27.740 the medical system the role of Hollywood trauma-based mind control what MK ultra and 12:27.740 --> 12:34.520 satanic ritual abuse are the hidden hand behind all our governments and global agencies 12:35.520 --> 12:43.360 things like consciousness uh quantum mechanics and the shift that we're currently in as a human race 12:43.360 --> 12:50.180 and where we're going so I look forward to uh you guys attending and asking your questions 12:50.660 --> 12:55.920 and if you want to dive deep into these topics and more you can go visit my website 12:55.920 --> 13:04.060 unbroken.global I have a ton of interviews with whistleblowers um with health coaches and teachers 13:05.250 --> 13:13.100 with survivors of Montauk projects and satanic ritual abuse and MK ultra it's time we wake up 13:13.100 --> 13:20.000 and we learn what's really going on behind the matrix simulation and solutions for how we get 13:20.000 --> 13:28.160 out and move on and create a much better way forward for ourselves um on my website you can also look 13:28.160 --> 13:36.020 at the membership tab um we have a group of awake souls we get together every month on a live 13:36.020 --> 13:43.540 zoom we have so much fun we talk about real stuff uh we're around people like ourselves who are awake 13:43.540 --> 13:49.100 and who know what's going on in the world we support each other we are basically creating 13:49.100 --> 13:56.260 a way forward together so I'd love for you to join us in that group if you're interested I also 13:56.260 --> 14:02.400 under the classes tab have a bunch of seminars where I expose the Vatican and who they really are 14:02.940 --> 14:10.360 I explain what's tonic ritual abuses I have a seminar online control and on how to unplug 14:10.360 --> 14:16.000 from the matrix so you can check those out if you're interested uh if you'd like to read 14:16.000 --> 14:26.280 I also author articles on the geopolitical situation on sub-stack um and if you are struggling with 14:26.280 --> 14:33.000 trauma which essentially if you're born on this planet we all are or you're a survivor I am a 14:33.000 --> 14:39.540 trauma therapist and um if you're in need of some help some counseling you can reach out 14:39.540 --> 14:46.500 to me through the website or at max at unbroken.global thanks everyone and I look forward to seeing you 14:46.500 --> 14:53.660 at the next live well it's it's yes and it's actually a it creates a library in your mind 14:53.660 --> 15:01.580 so the positive thing is that uh I can I can be in one identity with one accent with one set of 15:02.020 --> 15:09.660 of credentials and be there completely so that nothing from the other identities or languages 15:09.660 --> 15:17.020 or intrudes you know I am completely in that identity the only problem slight problem is going 15:17.020 --> 15:26.200 from one to the other which you would do as a normal person so um so so people accuse me of 15:26.200 --> 15:33.760 being multiple people I'm not multiple people I just have have memories that are divided and filed 15:33.760 --> 15:40.600 differently but quite efficiently I mean it's a perfectly it's a perfectly good system but uh 15:40.600 --> 15:45.940 people are identified as having multiple personalities and then they get equated with 15:45.940 --> 15:52.540 schizophrenic which has absolutely nothing to do with this at all at all and and um 15:53.440 --> 16:03.060 and it makes it easy to uh to deny any kind of help or or psychology training or therapy or 16:03.060 --> 16:09.980 anything that that mk ultra survivors would specifically need because they get treated as 16:09.980 --> 16:22.520 schizophrenics so the last thing you want to do to to mk ultra is put them on thorazine or some 16:22.520 --> 16:26.420 worst possible thing because then they get the memories and then the memories don't make sense 16:26.420 --> 16:36.340 and then you actually you induce a psychotic episode so that's that's and that's why as soon 16:36.340 --> 16:44.980 as I got to the point where I realized that I'm I'm in my 70s I'm approaching myself by date 16:44.980 --> 16:52.660 I gotta figure this out and I've gotta share my experiences now so that that this country can 16:52.660 --> 17:01.720 can heal because it's it's it's so big and it's so prevalent and um I'm not gonna go into detail 17:01.720 --> 17:09.180 but just look at turning point USA I mean my god what a hotbed of mk ultra and and look at the 17:09.180 --> 17:13.960 mess all these people saying different things different contrasting things all believing 17:13.960 --> 17:19.840 that they're telling the truth they're all responding to inputs that that aren't theirs 17:20.440 --> 17:29.120 so it's it's a enormous national problem and we've we've after three generations of this 17:29.120 --> 17:36.620 intense mk ultra um conditioning of the leaders I mean they did they they yeah that's how they 17:36.620 --> 17:41.560 created future leaders that's the whole point right yeah and if and if you've cooperative 17:41.560 --> 17:49.100 if I had cooperated fully and and given up my ability to think which to them equated to giving 17:49.100 --> 17:57.360 up my soul I was given multiple opportunities in extreme states of torture to surrender my soul 17:57.360 --> 18:06.800 and I just wasn't gonna do it and and I didn't but people that did are now secretaries of state 18:06.800 --> 18:12.920 you know they're in the cabinet they're in their generals there I mean and they they talk and you 18:12.920 --> 18:21.160 listen to them and you realize they're not making sense you know and they're not because they they 18:21.160 --> 18:27.940 gave up their moral compass they took the bling and and gave up their souls and went along with 18:28.860 --> 18:35.160 with the the narrative so the narrative became more important than reality 18:35.860 --> 18:43.340 and I I personally think I'm getting off of my story a bit but I personally think in looking at 18:43.340 --> 18:48.900 events in America that you have multiple merit narratives running that that when you started 18:48.900 --> 18:55.760 in the 50s you had the Vatican you had the Jesuits you had the the masons you had the 18:55.760 --> 19:05.440 Nazis and then and then I found out you had multiple countries as five eyes spread through the through 19:05.440 --> 19:11.960 the world each five eye country got an MK ultra scientist and a laboratory of their own but 19:11.960 --> 19:18.620 they use the same methodology so you had MK ultra running in Great Britain Scotland Ireland Wales 19:19.540 --> 19:29.000 South Africa Zimbabwe Australia and now I've met a group from Serbia I knew I worked in Russia lived 19:29.000 --> 19:35.740 in Russia for 20 years and certainly the Russians has got an entire contingent of these Nazi scientists 19:35.740 --> 19:41.360 and they ran programs in children's prisons which I've written a book about which is called 19:41.360 --> 19:51.040 Moscow traffic um but they have the Jesuits the Jesuits uh yes of course the Jesuits they 19:51.040 --> 19:57.000 they studied with Mengele so they they have I mean they're extreme masters at this themselves 19:57.000 --> 20:05.520 yeah yes yes and I think of all my my experience was with Jesuits, 20:05.520 --> 20:15.000 masons, Rosicrucians, Templars that that group so their focus with kids like me was to create 20:15.700 --> 20:23.480 super spies in fact I was specifically trained to go to Russia and I had a 20:24.540 --> 20:30.520 intensive several year training learning Russian learning Moscow learning learning 20:30.980 --> 20:40.720 my way into the underground system in the center of Moscow that would have been in like 1962 1963 20:42.280 --> 20:56.780 I escaped in 1966 but then in 1990 I was invited back to Moscow I went and within five years I had 20:56.780 --> 21:03.960 found I didn't remember any of this so this was it was when I got to Moscow and the city was familiar 21:03.960 --> 21:14.720 to me it was a total shock and but I was remembering a previous time and and so I would sit with a 21:14.720 --> 21:19.880 tour guide on the tour bus and I could actually speak dirt in Russian but my Russian was kind of 21:19.880 --> 21:28.560 old-fashioned and I would ask it I would sort of recognize something we were staying in the 21:28.560 --> 21:37.120 Russia Hotel and the Russia Hotel uh is right was it's been torn down is this hideous Soviet 21:37.120 --> 21:41.400 building stuck right on the edge of Red Square and they tore down all these beautiful old 21:41.400 --> 21:47.120 churches and buildings to create this monstrosity and what I remembered was the old churches and 21:47.120 --> 21:57.100 buildings so I didn't understand why and it took 10 years later I wound up with an office in the 21:57.100 --> 22:03.700 building where I was that I was supposed to find and I actually did find my way into the underground 22:04.560 --> 22:11.960 and into the main telecommunications network of the Soviet Union of course at that time it 22:11.960 --> 22:18.180 wasn't anymore I mean it was 20 years too late and they didn't care it was basically Russians 22:18.180 --> 22:25.800 that took me down there and and it was just sort of an empty empty basement but it had been 22:26.540 --> 22:30.840 the center of all communications from every point in the Soviet Union 22:31.760 --> 22:39.360 and the only way to get there uh underground was from the building that I started my office in 22:39.940 --> 22:47.340 so I had carried out uh let's see I was 13 when they did this to me so 30 years later 22:48.200 --> 22:55.920 I actually carried out the mission which was pointless at that time I mean it was nothing to do 22:56.680 --> 23:00.600 and the Russians kept asking what do you want to see this this little place for 23:00.600 --> 23:08.760 and I was I'm not sure I just needed to see it but there it was and and I did it and 23:10.100 --> 23:13.540 and then I realized there's got to be something I am 23:16.600 --> 23:25.040 but I couldn't remember I just it wasn't until um about 10 years after that that I I actually 23:25.940 --> 23:35.900 really remembered yeah and uh so in back to the beginning back back to 1966 23:35.900 --> 23:45.240 um I was in the program for 11 years and during that time uh I was half the time living in my home 23:45.240 --> 23:55.100 with with my parents and my family and half the time in an annex or what the CIA called their 23:55.100 --> 24:02.140 safe houses uh being trained for the MK ultra program and participating in their satanic 24:02.140 --> 24:14.440 rituals and and I I really suspect that I met Mengele every annex had its own Dr. Green 24:15.050 --> 24:21.840 and since I was in the first annexes um and every Dr. Green had an accent 24:22.740 --> 24:31.460 as a child I couldn't have told you what accent but uh I they were all foreign and 24:33.460 --> 24:39.940 and that's a lot of other survivors have mentioned but I especially because of when you were born and 24:40.360 --> 24:47.600 you know your age you would I would 100% guess that you have would you just describe to people 24:47.600 --> 24:56.420 why they use the word green like just enlighten people as to why Dr. Green and specifically 24:56.420 --> 25:07.660 well I I my theory is that um that all the programming revolved around the color green 25:07.660 --> 25:18.260 and green is the color in the in the MK ultra ultra is of the human soul so um when 25:18.260 --> 25:25.160 and when you went through a ritual like a typical one for me which was every session 25:25.780 --> 25:33.260 started with me being tied down on a wheel with all kinds of symbols and and uh people standing 25:33.260 --> 25:39.060 around the wheel chanting is they spun me on it faster and faster and saying there is no 25:39.060 --> 25:43.700 light there is no dark there is no day there is no night there is no up there is no down 25:43.700 --> 25:47.900 there is no good there is no bad there is no and it would go faster and faster and 25:48.400 --> 25:55.120 and the the whole purpose was to to admit that there was to see that that when I saw that there 25:55.120 --> 26:00.280 was nothing and that everything was pointless and and just completely surrender then I would 26:00.280 --> 26:09.420 see my soul go off in a flash of green and and uh I wouldn't ever let it go I could start 26:09.420 --> 26:16.020 to see the green coming up in me and I would hold it down and um 26:17.540 --> 26:26.180 so I assume that's why they they called the head of the program uh Dr. Green um like the green 26:26.180 --> 26:33.060 flash at sunset that people say doesn't exist but it really does I I've seen it off the coast of 26:33.060 --> 26:43.120 California um do you think that's why they uh you know the fake climate thing and the the whole 26:43.120 --> 26:50.140 green movement do you think that's deliberately named okay yes it has has nothing to do with 26:51.320 --> 26:58.380 chlorophyll or health or well-being or healthy food no no green is the death of the human 26:58.380 --> 27:05.880 soul and when we all depart the earth because that was that was and I've written notes on this 27:05.880 --> 27:15.360 I have a notebook from uh from when I was very young and um because I was writing the word genocide 27:16.540 --> 27:24.560 because their goal as they explained it we had little classes too and uh in the classes 27:24.560 --> 27:31.280 uh our goal was we were the we were the goats everyone else was the sheep 27:32.180 --> 27:39.180 and the goats led the sheep to their deaths and when the sheep departed the earth it would be 27:39.180 --> 27:45.160 in the flash of green so then we would go watch the sunset and see the flash of green 27:45.780 --> 27:55.620 and see the souls departing and uh so the green the green uh I noticed behind me the 27:55.620 --> 28:02.680 painting is is of a garden you know but that's that's the dichotomy if if there is no light 28:02.680 --> 28:09.520 there's no dark there is no life there is no death only green that's the green but this is 28:09.520 --> 28:16.940 for this is a garden yeah yeah well they never everything that's organic so they they don't 28:16.940 --> 28:25.380 create anything of their own they use us right right and then destroy it exactly uh so thank you for 28:25.380 --> 28:30.700 I know you're kind of starting to share more about that I really I know it for myself too it 28:30.700 --> 28:38.280 can be a little triggering to talk about this stuff but if you feel okay explaining kind of 28:38.280 --> 28:46.940 for people who would have no clue what kinds of things they do in MK ultra to quote train 28:47.390 --> 28:53.300 and what abilities they try and create and how they you know the methodology they use so people 28:53.300 --> 28:59.100 can really I think it's coming into the consciousness so just whatever you feel comfortable sharing 28:59.100 --> 29:07.460 about that well interesting for even after I started to remember and I started writing my book 29:08.060 --> 29:17.560 Sparky surviving sex magic uh which I've written from my perspective as as a child so so I got into 29:17.560 --> 29:23.120 the magical thinking and the dissociative thinking and then I I still couldn't speak about it took 29:23.120 --> 29:30.400 another 10 years um I actually got up in front of a department of homeland security meeting 29:30.400 --> 29:36.740 and I was going to talk about it and completely lost my voice it was the most embarrassing 29:36.740 --> 29:45.600 thing but I couldn't get a word out and so but that's we're programmed to shut down we're 29:45.600 --> 29:51.020 programmed to shut down and beyond that we're programmed to kill ourselves yeah so after I 29:51.020 --> 29:58.180 tried that then I was back into the self deprecating you know you you total idiot you worthless 29:58.180 --> 30:11.320 eater you you know I was back into the if the the the failure um what was the question you wanted to 30:11.320 --> 30:18.360 know what no it's it's I'll tell you the question again but what you said resonates with me so much 30:18.920 --> 30:26.940 when I first started telling a therapist about you know the memories were just pouring out of 30:26.940 --> 30:34.580 me they just came all of us they just were tumbling out and the suicide program activated it was ferocious 30:35.280 --> 30:42.280 it would take me it would take me to the train station on to the platform and jump jump jump 30:42.280 --> 30:48.740 and I would you know hold myself back from doing that but yeah I don't think people understand 30:48.740 --> 30:54.620 and then the same thing every time I would speak out and share something like on a on an 30:54.620 --> 31:02.740 interview the backlash I would be up all night with the you know oh you're so stupid why did you say that 31:02.740 --> 31:12.280 you know uh you know this this horrible you know self abuse that comes from you know it's all 31:12.280 --> 31:18.680 that programming to stay silent the sabotage you know the self doubt that is so I just 31:18.680 --> 31:27.380 wanted to highlight that because you know we speak out and it's it it can be very costly for us when 31:27.380 --> 31:36.500 we do so I want people to respect how much of an act of courage and will it is for all of us 31:36.500 --> 31:43.000 survivors to even say anything you know because of what we've been programmed the the sort of 31:43.000 --> 31:49.480 consequences that come up from doing that are ferocious so you know I just want to acknowledge 31:49.480 --> 31:54.960 that I think that's a really important thing that you revealed and you know what I was asking was 31:56.360 --> 32:02.120 for the naive person who who's just hearing about this for the first time just a little bit about 32:02.900 --> 32:09.820 both like what methodology they use to uh fragment you the tortures but also 32:10.380 --> 32:14.780 what they're training you to do like what are they because people have asked me like 32:14.780 --> 32:20.520 what are they doing with children why do they want children so you know just to us it's such a basic 32:20.520 --> 32:25.160 question we may not think to like break it down and explain it so that's what I was asking 32:26.040 --> 32:36.240 well they they uh one interesting I can again it's segments in in uh so if I 32:36.240 --> 32:45.020 go look for a segment in my mind I have one uh I've been working on one one memory 32:45.860 --> 32:53.060 related to when I was um let's see seven must have been eight years old and living in Southern 32:53.060 --> 33:03.800 California and uh was taken with a group of 33 children uh to Rosarita Beach in Mexico where 33:03.800 --> 33:14.760 they had a where there's an autonomous university of Mexico um campus but it was a beach some trailers 33:14.760 --> 33:27.600 this would be in 1956 1957 and and uh we were taken down there by a man who became a US congressman 33:27.600 --> 33:35.100 and later ran for president and uh were joined by the governor of California and a whole lot of 33:35.100 --> 33:43.540 people I didn't recognize but were of that caliber and they had the MK book and the MK book was Mein Kampf 33:44.300 --> 33:52.920 and Mein Kampf no American in this generation has ever seen it you you can get uh what they call 33:52.920 --> 33:59.380 the the original German and you can get the stack poll publisher translations but you they're not real 34:00.920 --> 34:08.440 there's an interesting story because the man who became a congressman who was my main handler 34:08.440 --> 34:17.300 in California uh he was the student at Heidelberg University in the 1930s who was hired by Hitler 34:17.300 --> 34:29.680 to translate Mein Kampf and it was a 300,000 page tome it was a big book and uh it was Alan Cranston 34:29.680 --> 34:37.180 was the one who translated it and he uh did it and he brought it he never showed it to anyone in 34:37.180 --> 34:44.320 in Germany and he brought it back to the United States and what he published was a 27,000 word 34:45.100 --> 34:54.460 book and um it was so bad it had nothing to do with the original text and when the Germans 34:54.460 --> 35:00.540 got ahold of it and Hitler looked at what he'd written he was so angry that he sued Cranston 35:00.540 --> 35:08.080 in a court in the United States and won a case for fraud against him and against stack poll 35:08.080 --> 35:16.820 publishing um but of course this was by 1939 and the war was progressing and uh stack poll had 35:16.820 --> 35:23.400 through the their connections with the CIA had sent out over a million free copies all over the 35:23.400 --> 35:29.900 country so everybody had seen this book that wasn't written by Hitler it was written by Cranston and 35:29.900 --> 35:36.660 and uh what it says has nothing to do with with what the Nazis were doing or following or 35:36.660 --> 35:45.680 thinking and uh but when Cranston came and took all his kids to Mexico he had the original book 35:46.580 --> 35:57.680 and um we were there to develop uh it it it included the Nazis were fascinated by trans 35:57.680 --> 36:08.660 dimensional travel by um travel and time they saw dissociation as a means to to enter other dimensions 36:09.670 --> 36:18.400 and and uh they needed children who were magical thinkers who could who could transit the 36:19.250 --> 36:27.100 the barriers of society and go bring back information and creatures from other dimensions 36:27.680 --> 36:34.760 and that's where you get um stranger things that's that's where that whole thing came from it came right 36:34.760 --> 36:42.760 out of these these experiments that which were also done in Montauk so um but we did them at the 36:42.760 --> 36:52.920 at the autonomous university in Rosarita um so we would gather I never saw my clothes I was 36:53.480 --> 37:00.000 practically naked though the whole time I was down there and um so were all the other kids who 37:00.000 --> 37:05.880 we were living just primitive uh they they were trying to get us as feral as possible 37:06.580 --> 37:11.400 so they were creating this this lord of the fly is kind of environment 37:14.040 --> 37:21.480 and then in the at night they'd build a fire and uh we'd wait for the extra 37:21.480 --> 37:28.140 terrestials to come and everybody was on drugs so I mean the reliability of any memories I do get on 37:28.140 --> 37:35.960 this is uh I was doing whatever it took to get food so um because it wouldn't feed us 37:36.560 --> 37:41.660 so they they'd uh the only way we could get food was to do what they wanted us to do 37:41.660 --> 37:48.500 at night when uh they wanted us to go cross dimensions and bring back entities 37:49.300 --> 37:55.120 now I think we did that uh I think a lot of the kids didn't come back 37:55.860 --> 38:01.920 and I think a lot of the kids got stuck out there and I think uh I think the only reason 38:01.920 --> 38:10.180 I survived is that I sort of worked out a way to dissociate leave and still keep track of 38:10.180 --> 38:17.220 my body the risk is that you go out so far and you stay out too long and your body dies 38:18.500 --> 38:23.440 because it it requires you taking your energetic being out of yourself 38:26.480 --> 38:32.600 and and uh if the kids were younger boys were particularly bad at it 38:32.880 --> 38:44.020 so that's that's uh a lot of children died and then they there was a a credial church 38:44.720 --> 38:50.060 down there and there's a song that Joan Baez sings called play me backwards 38:50.760 --> 38:56.480 which describes it so well I I don't know if she was there but boy it sure sounds like it 38:56.480 --> 39:04.520 about the sacrifices in this ratty old Mexican church which sure sounds like where I was 39:06.180 --> 39:17.720 and uh after a period of time I was so sunburnt after because I was out in the sun all day and 39:17.720 --> 39:25.420 and no shelter no clothes my parents had to come pick me up when they dropped me off I was this color 39:26.220 --> 39:32.680 and had a suitcase with my outfits in the time I was down there the outfits had disappeared 39:32.680 --> 39:40.360 and and uh all it was just me and my underpants and I was so dark I looked like one of the Mexican kids 39:41.560 --> 39:48.200 and uh when they they had to drive me back over the border so it was my mother my father my 39:48.200 --> 39:55.240 brother all looking like this and me looking like a a wild foreign child and I had no clothes so 39:55.240 --> 39:59.800 I had to wear my father's shirt so my father was driving shirtless 40:00.460 --> 40:04.480 back across the border and of course they stopped us at the border 40:05.680 --> 40:13.100 and they pointed to me and said who's that and my father looked at me like he'd never seen me before 40:13.100 --> 40:21.380 in his life and my mother wouldn't look at me at all and and I could see his wheels turning 40:21.380 --> 40:25.260 I could read his mind he was thinking about he could leave me there 40:27.260 --> 40:38.880 and and uh so I spoke up and um gave my address gave their birthdays gave you know I was a little 40:38.880 --> 40:45.280 kid but I wasn't stupid and and uh they made my father get out of the car and they took him 40:45.280 --> 40:49.900 to the office they made phone calls and he probably called the governor of California and 40:49.900 --> 40:58.720 was told just let him through and I I know I can date that because I'd never had my hair cut before 40:58.720 --> 41:05.560 that and when I came back my hair was so salty and tangled and full of dirt and sand they had to 41:06.280 --> 41:13.460 cut it completely off so I have school pictures starting fourth grade with practically no hair 41:14.000 --> 41:25.320 so that that dates that dates that event um but that that kind of and and so I've I've worked on 41:25.320 --> 41:30.100 remembering that and I can relate that to the episode of coming across the border and almost 41:30.100 --> 41:38.900 getting left by my father and the reassurance or the confirmation that I could not rely on my parents 41:38.900 --> 41:49.380 at all that these were not my friends and and uh and that's for a child I don't know that that 41:50.020 --> 41:57.570 betrayal of trust ever heals that's that's too big yeah and and um 42:00.530 --> 42:07.060 but it that was the kind of thing it was the taking of that original research 42:07.060 --> 42:13.320 because they had Mein Kampf and they had the original research and they were trying to 42:13.320 --> 42:18.760 recreate the experiments and there were men with accents there so Mengele could have been there 42:18.760 --> 42:26.040 it was the right time period it was the right place because I think he was clearly often at 42:26.040 --> 42:33.420 Lookout Mountain outside of Los Angeles which is where all this all this was based out of and um 42:37.460 --> 42:48.080 so because I did that and survived they they did it to me over and over and over again and 42:57.920 --> 43:05.240 it's interesting that then I would go back to school and I'd be starting school with a shaved head 43:05.240 --> 43:15.440 and and bruises and terrible sunburn and and uh they'd call in social services and all my parents 43:15.440 --> 43:21.500 had to do was move so we would change school districts and at that time that was like moving 43:21.500 --> 43:28.060 to a foreign planet so we moved constantly I went to a different school every six months 43:28.680 --> 43:33.000 for all the time I was growing up until high school then I was in one high school for two 43:33.000 --> 43:40.180 years and then I escaped and went to the University of Washington and checked myself into a new life 43:41.980 --> 43:52.220 well but your dad um he sold you in so did he benefit financially from them owning you 43:52.220 --> 44:01.220 yes okay I knew they were getting support for me because they were complaining about it all 44:01.220 --> 44:07.660 the time that it wasn't enough and and uh they wouldn't want to have to buy me more than one pair 44:07.660 --> 44:15.040 shoes they were just angry because my feet grew and and and uh so anyway so it was constant 44:15.040 --> 44:20.860 conflict but I found out later I found I was talking to one of the Montauk boy survivors 44:22.300 --> 44:28.860 um uh who had come across who had been mistakenly sent his documents 44:30.440 --> 44:39.340 and uh in it was the contract between his parents and uh the program and they had gotten like 300 44:39.340 --> 44:49.980 thousand dollars for him and uh then ongoing payments now he was 20 years after me but 44:49.980 --> 44:56.440 I'm sure there was a substantial payment and and then I know that there was ongoing payments 44:57.140 --> 45:05.600 and the payments stopped uh was we're going to stop when I got to college and my part of the reason 45:05.600 --> 45:12.560 I ran away is that I there was a big fight coming about that and and my parents uh I'd won a 45:12.560 --> 45:23.340 scholarship to go to Japan and uh a piano scholarship I was I was uh a piano prodigy 45:23.340 --> 45:29.220 throughout junior high school and college and was invited to go to Japan and do a 45:29.220 --> 45:35.380 concert tour with the california youth symphony and but it was going to cost 700 dollars 45:36.740 --> 45:42.340 and neither the mk altar program nor my parents would pay for it and they were fighting with 45:42.340 --> 45:53.820 each other and uh I'd had it uh and I started planning my my exit which was my first big 45:53.820 --> 46:00.000 sci-op because I had to get away from my parents I had to get into college at the age of 17 uh 46:00.000 --> 46:06.420 when it wasn't legal I had to get a teacher to fake transcripts because I hadn't done enough 46:07.140 --> 46:10.200 I didn't have enough credits to graduate because I'd been in this 46:11.000 --> 46:20.460 out at annexes so often that I missed most of school and um I pulled it off with the help of 46:20.460 --> 46:27.320 teachers who understood that something was terribly wrong and they actually faked transcripts for me 46:27.880 --> 46:33.180 and uh it only got to be a problem later when the university expected me to be able to do 46:33.180 --> 46:42.160 advanced algebra and they'd faked the they faked my transcript to say that I'd I'd taken it already 46:44.000 --> 46:52.540 so um yeah let me take the opportunity just to also highlight because people have trouble with this 46:53.560 --> 47:01.080 what happens when you're trained and you know if you don't die which they don't care if 47:01.080 --> 47:08.760 children die if they die oh well you know but the when you survive you develop these almost super human 47:09.520 --> 47:15.660 abilities and extremely high intelligence and like you were a piano prodigy you know I was a 47:16.200 --> 47:24.820 brainiac I got scholarships to go to university and you know and and that's actually it goes 47:24.820 --> 47:33.100 with the extreme trauma so it's it's kind of like they make us into a weapon they make us 47:33.100 --> 47:39.660 into whatever they're wanting to make us into and I always explain it to normal people like you know 47:39.660 --> 47:46.400 when the uh they'd send uh children or young people to the olympics and china and the ussr 47:46.400 --> 47:52.360 those athletes would be super because they would just train them relentlessly since they were 47:52.360 --> 48:01.060 two years old so we can become whatever they push us to become and so I just wanted to highlight that 48:01.060 --> 48:09.620 because I find it very interesting that you were you know a piano prodigy it's it's it's kind of 48:09.620 --> 48:19.080 counterintuitive but we end up having these really extraordinary abilities because of all of that 48:19.080 --> 48:25.700 right yeah and I think they select us from the beginning because we have the talents I mean they're 48:25.700 --> 48:35.580 they're seeing us uh and and the bloodlines I mean my my uncle who was one of the founder was at 48:35.580 --> 48:42.500 Arlington Hall and then that group went on to start the NSA um he was all kinds of prodigies he 48:42.500 --> 48:50.860 was he spoke seven language fluently he he um went graduated from Yale at the age of 20 he 48:51.740 --> 48:58.900 he went off to college at the age of 14 I mean he was he was a whiz in all kinds of ways 48:58.900 --> 49:08.220 and I guess they picked me as being the most like him I don't know I and and the and the 49:08.960 --> 49:15.800 what you're saying about this extreme trauma yes it it molds us into what they want and it also 49:15.800 --> 49:23.600 enhances whatever abilities we have because that is your survival mechanism and and I was thinking 49:23.600 --> 49:30.600 about that I was smiling earlier about the thinking about the PSYOP I pulled on my parents and on this 49:30.600 --> 49:36.600 whole on them the whole system because I had to override their psychic intrusion not just my 49:36.600 --> 49:42.760 parents but the whole MK ultra system I could get into my head and read what I was thinking so I had to 49:42.760 --> 49:51.100 disguise everything I was thinking doing um I was faking my parents signatures on everything I could 49:51.100 --> 49:58.500 write out their their signature but I couldn't let any them know um I got teachers to send uh 49:58.500 --> 50:04.340 transcripts not through my parents but directly from the school I got my trend I got my 50:04.340 --> 50:08.940 information from college sent to the high school and not not to my home 50:09.700 --> 50:17.960 I mean I this was a whole PSYOP operation and and uh no normal kid would even think 50:17.960 --> 50:26.300 of doing this like they wouldn't have to for me it was if I didn't get away and I didn't escape and 50:26.300 --> 50:34.520 I didn't uh yeah get get my own life started I was dead or I was a prostitute I mean Kathy 50:34.520 --> 50:43.360 Kathy O'Brien and I have talked about this because uh she became a a spy and and whatever they wanted 50:43.360 --> 50:54.280 her to be uh for the CIA I was headed in the same direction um uh I'm I'm older than she is but 50:54.280 --> 50:59.660 I went in and I went in before she did but I think the programming our programming was very similar 51:01.160 --> 51:05.660 and they were going to use use me in that kind of way obviously they were going to send me to Russia 51:07.080 --> 51:15.240 so um so and and so okay so how many people have been through this and survived 51:16.100 --> 51:21.080 um the other survivors I've talked to like at Montauk they they've assumed that only 51:21.080 --> 51:31.760 one percent even survived and and uh and their programming was pretty much the same as as my 51:31.760 --> 51:39.540 programming when I talk to them it's it's so similar and and uh so so how many how many kids 51:39.540 --> 51:46.420 did they pour through these programs uh it had to be tens of thousands and so how many survivors of 51:46.420 --> 51:54.560 us are there in the United States today all kind of dazed confused not able to remember our 51:55.300 --> 52:03.900 childhoods uh not knowing what why we have this kind of odd demeanor hiding because people tend 52:03.900 --> 52:12.880 to think we're we're multiple personalities when we aren't um it's gotta be hundreds of thousands 52:14.420 --> 52:21.400 so that's a and most of them if if you went through the program and you gave up your green you let your 52:21.400 --> 52:29.480 green go out of you um you're running the country you're running corporations you're put into jobs as 52:29.480 --> 52:36.240 CEOs even though you're not qualified you're just you're just a goat so the goats the goats 52:36.240 --> 52:41.880 are there and the only reason they're there is to lead the sheep and uh it's not to lead the 52:41.880 --> 52:48.860 sheep to a better place it's to kill them that's so their goal is is for the goats to lead the 52:48.860 --> 52:55.340 sheeps to slaughter that's what this is about and some of us goats have absolutely refused 52:56.060 --> 53:03.340 like you me Kathy and dozens of survivors who are waking up to this and saying I didn't sign 53:03.340 --> 53:14.800 on to this I don't agree with this I'm not gonna kill anybody it's it's um but and a large component 53:14.800 --> 53:20.080 of it the whole cunt the the mind control isn't just the people who went specifically through the 53:20.080 --> 53:27.120 program it affects the entire population who are are believing what they see on television 53:27.820 --> 53:34.260 yes and who wouldn't I mean it's a it's a fairy it's an ingenious system of giving you an alternate 53:34.260 --> 53:41.660 reality which is better than the one you have so so um pick your narrative I mean heck I like 53:41.660 --> 53:50.120 watching doubt nabby is that anywhere near the truth of anything no but uh you you want those 53:50.120 --> 53:59.000 things and then you want to accept um whatever narrative is out there that's better than what you 53:59.000 --> 54:09.560 what you have and this as a person who's had their mind messed with um I can't compare it 54:09.560 --> 54:18.040 to how a normal person thinks so uh but I think what you're saying is is really really true I 54:18.040 --> 54:26.780 say this all the time they've used trauma they've used MKL trauma based mind control on the collective 54:26.780 --> 54:33.560 of humanity that it's like they studied it on individuals like us but then they applied it to 54:33.560 --> 54:40.600 the collective I mean if you think every war is a deliberate trauma poverty and scarcity are 54:40.600 --> 54:47.820 engineered on a planet such as ours that has all the abundance we would need um things like 54:48.040 --> 54:55.520 you know the pandemic and uh you know 9 11 and all these other many many many psyops 54:56.120 --> 55:03.580 this is all trauma based mind control and it has worked I mean the collective like you say I mean 55:04.350 --> 55:10.800 people who wake up like to call other people sheeple and and it's it's derogatory but people 55:10.800 --> 55:15.840 are really really programmed and they and they believe all of this stuff and they 55:16.300 --> 55:22.980 you know so they unwittingly uh work for evil without you know kind of consciously knowing it 55:22.980 --> 55:29.740 so really we could say they they have done it to all of us and so this is something that 55:30.520 --> 55:36.340 we can help people wake up and understand and you know we're we're going to do another one 55:36.340 --> 55:42.540 or two interviews together so we can talk about how do you heal from this kind of thing how do 55:42.540 --> 55:49.700 you recover you know how do you and then how do you go out and change things because we can do this 55:50.280 --> 55:58.180 you know I mean it it's us that you know we have a key to this but yes I 100% agree they've done it 55:58.180 --> 56:04.740 to the collective and this is for example what you know what hollywood also is what the 56:04.740 --> 56:08.420 entertainment industry also is I don't know if you lived in LA I don't know if you have 56:08.420 --> 56:15.340 anything to say about that if you were taken to disney but oh yeah yeah my my whole story is revolves 56:15.340 --> 56:21.880 around uh southern california and LA and disneyland and my mother was born in hollywood and grew up in 56:21.880 --> 56:30.440 hollywood um right on uh practically on rodeo drive they were wealthy in the music industry 56:31.060 --> 56:39.520 and uh but I I wanted to say that that where the where the the reason they're able to do this on a 56:39.520 --> 56:47.860 wide scale is that they got a hold of the research done in the concentration camps no one would ever 56:47.860 --> 56:54.980 give anyone access to that kind of ability to torture terrorize take brilliant children 56:54.980 --> 57:02.360 prodigies out of communities and and torture them and kill them and and take the research 57:03.040 --> 57:08.280 and that research should never have happened they should never have had this access but they did 57:08.980 --> 57:15.160 and they were able to take the evil and sell it to other evil people which gave them the 57:15.160 --> 57:21.920 formulas for even the idea of expanding this to not only throughout the united states but 57:21.920 --> 57:29.200 throughout the five eyes and and yeah we have to keep talking but before we close I want to warn 57:29.200 --> 57:36.520 everybody because um you will get triggered even hearing us talk you can get triggered because 57:36.520 --> 57:41.860 like I say there have to be at least 300 000 of us out there you could have been in the gate 57:41.860 --> 57:49.680 program you could have been a victim of ram koa in some other form it's it's uh after after the 57:49.680 --> 57:58.120 initial seed was planted in the fifties in 1953 and then I was in it in 1955 that was the most 57:58.120 --> 58:04.660 primitive they were just getting started there and since then there's been computers and and um 58:04.660 --> 58:14.180 we didn't even have television when I started so um I want to warn you that when you do start 58:14.180 --> 58:19.780 to remember because a lot of you will because it did happen to you and that's why you're interested 58:19.780 --> 58:26.380 in listening to this um you will start the suicide program it will be the first thing you encounter 58:26.980 --> 58:32.600 so you need to be extremely careful and conscious of the fact that this is something that was put 58:32.600 --> 58:38.540 into you this is not coming from you this is something that they put in so that you wouldn't 58:38.540 --> 58:44.880 remember and and it's powerful and it's terrifying it'll come at you at four o'clock in the morning 58:45.420 --> 58:51.760 which is what it always comes to me as and still does often and whenever I make progress I'm right 58:51.760 --> 58:58.680 there in the suicide program again but I I've learned to pull it away from me and to recognize 58:58.680 --> 59:04.120 that it isn't me talking it's it's the programming and that I'm getting close to something 59:04.120 --> 59:14.480 they don't want me to know so um we'll talk more and and definitely yeah no we just scratched 59:14.480 --> 59:22.260 like one tiny nail of the surface here and I know yeah and I know you have to go so we'll 59:22.260 --> 59:28.720 we'll you know thank you so much I just think even what we've spoken about today is really going 59:28.720 --> 59:37.360 to help people to begin to understand um not only understand us survivors but understand themselves 59:37.360 --> 59:44.720 and the whole global situation because I say this all the time everyone in any position of power or 59:44.720 --> 59:52.180 leadership or fame or extreme wealth on the planet is one of these people you know yes yes 59:52.180 --> 59:59.360 anytime you see someone in a position that you can't imagine why is this person who can barely sing 59:59.360 --> 01:00:06.000 and barely stagger around on a stage in a amphitheater with thousands of people watching 01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:11.500 and millions on television all around the world they don't belong there they've been MK 01:00:11.500 --> 01:00:17.020 altered so they're serving a purpose and it isn't to entertain you it's to keep keep anyone 01:00:17.020 --> 01:00:25.640 with real talent out of there um well before you go any last thoughts or last words you want 01:00:25.640 --> 01:00:31.640 to leave us with today and then you know I'm glad you're amenable to coming back because I think we 01:00:32.200 --> 01:00:39.020 you know you're a treasure trove of information for people so but just for today before you 01:00:39.020 --> 01:00:44.560 go anything you want to leave us with well 10 years ago I couldn't have done this 01:00:44.560 --> 01:00:53.360 um and I had to write my books and get it out of me word for word and get it down on on paper 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:58.740 which is what Kathy O'Brien always recommends as you start to remember start writing because it 01:00:58.740 --> 01:01:05.900 disconnects the magical aspects of it from the from your free thought and when you're writing 01:01:05.900 --> 01:01:12.580 you're using your free thought so as things start to come to you and there's people listening 01:01:12.580 --> 01:01:17.160 right now that will start having things come to them write it down write it down and when 01:01:17.160 --> 01:01:22.340 the suicide program starts telling you you're worthless you're no good you're like a waste of 01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:31.160 space uh slow it down say no no no no I know what this is and uh and we'll keep talking 01:01:32.620 --> 01:01:37.440 okay thank you so much um for being here today