Dr. Juliet Angle, I'm honored to have you on Unbroken, thank you for being here.
I have interviewed a lot of survivors of MKUltra and I know you are one and I really think it's
important for all of us to share our stories so that we can educate the average person
on this sort of not so much anymore hidden reality. It's really coming out. So anyway welcome and
thank you for being willing to talk to me and to share a little bit about yourself. So welcome
here to Unbroken. Thanks Max, I'm really glad to be here and it's interesting that it's been
one year now since the CIA released the first tranche of documents in which they admit doing this.
They talk about the origins in the early 50s and how they obtained tons of LSD from Switzerland
through Eli Lilly Company and then eventually used the psychotropic properties of LSD to develop
oral medications in order to dose up the entire country which they did that's Prozac and all the
derivatives related to that. So I'm sure if you don't have the links to the CIA documents I'll
send them to you to put in the show notes. Yeah there's been two tranches and each tranche
I said that would be great to include those and you know what you're saying is true and but I think
as we're going to find out as we speak it's not just the LSD so they've admitted to that but
they haven't admitted to what they do to us children in terms of the torture and the sex
slave and all of that so anyway but that's the anniversary okay it is and that's our job as
the survivors because they admit to Project Monarch they admit to the origins of it they admit
to the CIA being responsible and how it was funded through their black budgets and all of that
but of course they never admit they do obliquely they do and I'll get into that as we talk about
this but I'm probably one of your oldest survivors that you've you've interviewed I'm almost 77 years old
and the CIA was founded in 1947 from 47 to 50 representatives of the CIA were meeting with
the German survivors of the the scientists who'd conducted the experiments in the concentration
camps who were bargaining for their lives and freedom by turning over all the masses of their
inhuman cruel satanic ritual abuse materials that they developed over the course of the war
and before that they'd actually started in the in the turn of the century all of that should
have been burned destroyed none of this should have been passed on to humanity but the these men
including five of my uncles who were in the in Nuremberg saw a way to gain enormous power by using
it and of course they couldn't even though they were all fluent German speakers they couldn't use
it without the German scientists so instead of hanging them which they should have done
and destroying all of that that research which never should have been done in the first place
they made a bargain they made a devil's bargain they brought them to the United States
at least 1500 of them 100 of them were processed in Huntsville, Alabama and distributed around the
United States and given unlimited funding this was the beginning of the CIA black budgets
the program is classified 18 levels above the president of the United States meaning that it's
such a top secret project that not even the president or the congress or any overseeing body can ever
look at it fortunately the CIA itself just released two trenches of documents explaining
what they did where it is not in the detail that as survivors we can explain it so this this was
starting up at the beginning of 1950 1953 they formalized it and created the MK altar program
and put Sydney Gottlieb in charge of it and up until that point he had been what they called
the chief poisoner of the CIA he was the head of tactical services for the OSS which is the
precursor to the CIA and then the CIA and then he became head of MK ultra largely because of the
connections to the the drugs that they wanted to develop to create mass mind control and these
these drugs including well mainly LSD and its derivatives were developed in the by the
Nazi scientists as means of mind control and memory control so 1953 MK ultra starts 1955 I was
six years old and my uncle was one of the founders of the national security agency
and my other uncles were all CIA and they were working out with project paperclip in
distributing the scientists around the United States they got new names new jobs new homes lots
of benefits and money because they were bringing pure evil to our country and the founders of the
MK ultra program put their own children in it because their idea was that we would then have
these obscene satanic powers and we would start programming other other people other children
and perpetuate the the the Nazi ideology and the satanic rituals and the abuse and
all of the things that went with it and there was a highly magical thinking component
and and why they wanted to start with very very young children is that they they knew that extreme
sexual abuse ritual abuse tannic abuse is most effective before people become verbal so they
wanted pre verbal children and their goal as far as I can see was clearly to to create dissociative
identity disorder in in it's called a disorder it's a defense mechanism so you take a you take
a child particularly a pre verbal child and you torture it and terrify it and and abuse it
the only way to survive as a child and I remember this myself very well is you leave
so I spent a great deal of my childhood dissociated and often some other place
where the pain and the terror and the abuse couldn't reach me and in 1955 I had to watch
my father sell me and he sold me to george white who is who is in the documents the cia documents
he was the man in charge of the cia they called them safe houses and this is where they carried out
the mk ultra program in 100 but by by the 1970s this was in 150 identified sites around the
united states and in 85 universities and hospitals and other institutions that's how fast it grew
so so that's less than 20 years it grew to have to have been hundreds and hundreds of children
so I at the age of six had to watch my father sell me while george white raped me
and when I was screaming for my father he turned to me and said now this is what I raised you for
and that's all I ever remembered of my childhood I got when I escaped from the mk ultra program
11 years later I forgot everything but that so whenever I went back and tried to remember
I would hit that's what I sold you for and so I grew up clearly in retrospect being
raised as an agent having multiple identities which corresponded to multiple languages all
different places different names different characters I still can't go easily from one
to the other I have to go out around up and and so my mind is still is still affected by the
the uh it's annoying and people that know me for a while or around me for a while see me do it
because uh they'll ask me a question about my time in medical school and I can't just recall
that I have to go down over you know look here look there find it and then it's all photographic
so so um people think I'm I'm kidding or or um you know doing something to annoy them
but I honestly I just want to say something real quick sorry to interrupt you Juliet but
that's very I really like I want to highlight what you said that the dissociation it's a it's
actually an incredible defense mechanism of the psyche to keep us alive so I agree with you
you know as someone who's trained in psychology I I don't think it's a disorder I think the only
disorder the you could take every diagnosis in psychology and just call it trauma that's
really all everything is trauma but that's not a disorder that's a brilliant coping mechanism
you know and I I also just want to highlight what what you were saying like I speak multiple
languages and when I remember certain things I remember them in certain languages and I
remember things by country that I lived in and so it you know to have that it's not
it's not even a disorder you actually the people who are very dissociated are actually
extremely brilliant okay so I just want to interest interject that um in what you were
saying so thank you for framing it that way hi everyone I'm excited to announce that uh myself
and Kimberley from Journey to New Earth are going to be doing monthly lives the last Sunday
of every month starting in January on the 25th at 10 a.m. pacific standard time um I'm happy to
answer any and all of your questions we're going to have q and a I will be talking about chemtrails
the medical system the role of Hollywood trauma-based mind control what MK ultra and
satanic ritual abuse are the hidden hand behind all our governments and global agencies
things like consciousness uh quantum mechanics and the shift that we're currently in as a human race
and where we're going so I look forward to uh you guys attending and asking your questions
and if you want to dive deep into these topics and more you can go visit my website
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and we learn what's really going on behind the matrix simulation and solutions for how we get
out and move on and create a much better way forward for ourselves um on my website you can also look
at the membership tab um we have a group of awake souls we get together every month on a live
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and who know what's going on in the world we support each other we are basically creating
a way forward together so I'd love for you to join us in that group if you're interested I also
under the classes tab have a bunch of seminars where I expose the Vatican and who they really are
I explain what's tonic ritual abuses I have a seminar online control and on how to unplug
from the matrix so you can check those out if you're interested uh if you'd like to read
I also author articles on the geopolitical situation on sub-stack um and if you are struggling with
trauma which essentially if you're born on this planet we all are or you're a survivor I am a
trauma therapist and um if you're in need of some help some counseling you can reach out
to me through the website or at max at unbroken.global thanks everyone and I look forward to seeing you
at the next live well it's it's yes and it's actually a it creates a library in your mind
so the positive thing is that uh I can I can be in one identity with one accent with one set of
of credentials and be there completely so that nothing from the other identities or languages
or intrudes you know I am completely in that identity the only problem slight problem is going
from one to the other which you would do as a normal person so um so so people accuse me of
being multiple people I'm not multiple people I just have have memories that are divided and filed
differently but quite efficiently I mean it's a perfectly it's a perfectly good system but uh
people are identified as having multiple personalities and then they get equated with
schizophrenic which has absolutely nothing to do with this at all at all and and um
and it makes it easy to uh to deny any kind of help or or psychology training or therapy or
anything that that mk ultra survivors would specifically need because they get treated as
schizophrenics so the last thing you want to do to to mk ultra is put them on thorazine or some
worst possible thing because then they get the memories and then the memories don't make sense
and then you actually you induce a psychotic episode so that's that's and that's why as soon
as I got to the point where I realized that I'm I'm in my 70s I'm approaching myself by date
I gotta figure this out and I've gotta share my experiences now so that that this country can
can heal because it's it's it's so big and it's so prevalent and um I'm not gonna go into detail
but just look at turning point USA I mean my god what a hotbed of mk ultra and and look at the
mess all these people saying different things different contrasting things all believing
that they're telling the truth they're all responding to inputs that that aren't theirs
so it's it's a enormous national problem and we've we've after three generations of this
intense mk ultra um conditioning of the leaders I mean they did they they yeah that's how they
created future leaders that's the whole point right yeah and if and if you've cooperative
if I had cooperated fully and and given up my ability to think which to them equated to giving
up my soul I was given multiple opportunities in extreme states of torture to surrender my soul
and I just wasn't gonna do it and and I didn't but people that did are now secretaries of state
you know they're in the cabinet they're in their generals there I mean and they they talk and you
listen to them and you realize they're not making sense you know and they're not because they they
gave up their moral compass they took the bling and and gave up their souls and went along with
with the the narrative so the narrative became more important than reality
and I I personally think I'm getting off of my story a bit but I personally think in looking at
events in America that you have multiple merit narratives running that that when you started
in the 50s you had the Vatican you had the Jesuits you had the the masons you had the
Nazis and then and then I found out you had multiple countries as five eyes spread through the through
the world each five eye country got an MK ultra scientist and a laboratory of their own but
they use the same methodology so you had MK ultra running in Great Britain Scotland Ireland Wales
South Africa Zimbabwe Australia and now I've met a group from Serbia I knew I worked in Russia lived
in Russia for 20 years and certainly the Russians has got an entire contingent of these Nazi scientists
and they ran programs in children's prisons which I've written a book about which is called
Moscow traffic um but they have the Jesuits the Jesuits uh yes of course the Jesuits they
they studied with Mengele so they they have I mean they're extreme masters at this themselves
yeah yes yes and I think of all my my experience was with Jesuits,
masons, Rosicrucians, Templars that that group so their focus with kids like me was to create
super spies in fact I was specifically trained to go to Russia and I had a
intensive several year training learning Russian learning Moscow learning learning
my way into the underground system in the center of Moscow that would have been in like 1962 1963
I escaped in 1966 but then in 1990 I was invited back to Moscow I went and within five years I had
found I didn't remember any of this so this was it was when I got to Moscow and the city was familiar
to me it was a total shock and but I was remembering a previous time and and so I would sit with a
tour guide on the tour bus and I could actually speak dirt in Russian but my Russian was kind of
old-fashioned and I would ask it I would sort of recognize something we were staying in the
Russia Hotel and the Russia Hotel uh is right was it's been torn down is this hideous Soviet
building stuck right on the edge of Red Square and they tore down all these beautiful old
churches and buildings to create this monstrosity and what I remembered was the old churches and
buildings so I didn't understand why and it took 10 years later I wound up with an office in the
building where I was that I was supposed to find and I actually did find my way into the underground
and into the main telecommunications network of the Soviet Union of course at that time it
wasn't anymore I mean it was 20 years too late and they didn't care it was basically Russians
that took me down there and and it was just sort of an empty empty basement but it had been
the center of all communications from every point in the Soviet Union
and the only way to get there uh underground was from the building that I started my office in
so I had carried out uh let's see I was 13 when they did this to me so 30 years later
I actually carried out the mission which was pointless at that time I mean it was nothing to do
and the Russians kept asking what do you want to see this this little place for
and I was I'm not sure I just needed to see it but there it was and and I did it and
and then I realized there's got to be something I am
but I couldn't remember I just it wasn't until um about 10 years after that that I I actually
really remembered yeah and uh so in back to the beginning back back to 1966
um I was in the program for 11 years and during that time uh I was half the time living in my home
with with my parents and my family and half the time in an annex or what the CIA called their
safe houses uh being trained for the MK ultra program and participating in their satanic
rituals and and I I really suspect that I met Mengele every annex had its own Dr. Green
and since I was in the first annexes um and every Dr. Green had an accent
as a child I couldn't have told you what accent but uh I they were all foreign and
and that's a lot of other survivors have mentioned but I especially because of when you were born and
you know your age you would I would 100% guess that you have would you just describe to people
why they use the word green like just enlighten people as to why Dr. Green and specifically
well I I my theory is that um that all the programming revolved around the color green
and green is the color in the in the MK ultra ultra is of the human soul so um when
and when you went through a ritual like a typical one for me which was every session
started with me being tied down on a wheel with all kinds of symbols and and uh people standing
around the wheel chanting is they spun me on it faster and faster and saying there is no
light there is no dark there is no day there is no night there is no up there is no down
there is no good there is no bad there is no and it would go faster and faster and
and the the whole purpose was to to admit that there was to see that that when I saw that there
was nothing and that everything was pointless and and just completely surrender then I would
see my soul go off in a flash of green and and uh I wouldn't ever let it go I could start
to see the green coming up in me and I would hold it down and um
so I assume that's why they they called the head of the program uh Dr. Green um like the green
flash at sunset that people say doesn't exist but it really does I I've seen it off the coast of
California um do you think that's why they uh you know the fake climate thing and the the whole
green movement do you think that's deliberately named okay yes it has has nothing to do with
chlorophyll or health or well-being or healthy food no no green is the death of the human
soul and when we all depart the earth because that was that was and I've written notes on this
I have a notebook from uh from when I was very young and um because I was writing the word genocide
because their goal as they explained it we had little classes too and uh in the classes
uh our goal was we were the we were the goats everyone else was the sheep
and the goats led the sheep to their deaths and when the sheep departed the earth it would be
in the flash of green so then we would go watch the sunset and see the flash of green
and see the souls departing and uh so the green the green uh I noticed behind me the
painting is is of a garden you know but that's that's the dichotomy if if there is no light
there's no dark there is no life there is no death only green that's the green but this is
for this is a garden yeah yeah well they never everything that's organic so they they don't
create anything of their own they use us right right and then destroy it exactly uh so thank you for
I know you're kind of starting to share more about that I really I know it for myself too it
can be a little triggering to talk about this stuff but if you feel okay explaining kind of
for people who would have no clue what kinds of things they do in MK ultra to quote train
and what abilities they try and create and how they you know the methodology they use so people
can really I think it's coming into the consciousness so just whatever you feel comfortable sharing
about that well interesting for even after I started to remember and I started writing my book
Sparky surviving sex magic uh which I've written from my perspective as as a child so so I got into
the magical thinking and the dissociative thinking and then I I still couldn't speak about it took
another 10 years um I actually got up in front of a department of homeland security meeting
and I was going to talk about it and completely lost my voice it was the most embarrassing
thing but I couldn't get a word out and so but that's we're programmed to shut down we're
programmed to shut down and beyond that we're programmed to kill ourselves yeah so after I
tried that then I was back into the self deprecating you know you you total idiot you worthless
eater you you know I was back into the if the the the failure um what was the question you wanted to
know what no it's it's I'll tell you the question again but what you said resonates with me so much
when I first started telling a therapist about you know the memories were just pouring out of
me they just came all of us they just were tumbling out and the suicide program activated it was ferocious
it would take me it would take me to the train station on to the platform and jump jump jump
and I would you know hold myself back from doing that but yeah I don't think people understand
and then the same thing every time I would speak out and share something like on a on an
interview the backlash I would be up all night with the you know oh you're so stupid why did you say that
you know uh you know this this horrible you know self abuse that comes from you know it's all
that programming to stay silent the sabotage you know the self doubt that is so I just
wanted to highlight that because you know we speak out and it's it it can be very costly for us when
we do so I want people to respect how much of an act of courage and will it is for all of us
survivors to even say anything you know because of what we've been programmed the the sort of
consequences that come up from doing that are ferocious so you know I just want to acknowledge
that I think that's a really important thing that you revealed and you know what I was asking was
for the naive person who who's just hearing about this for the first time just a little bit about
both like what methodology they use to uh fragment you the tortures but also
what they're training you to do like what are they because people have asked me like
what are they doing with children why do they want children so you know just to us it's such a basic
question we may not think to like break it down and explain it so that's what I was asking
well they they uh one interesting I can again it's segments in in uh so if I
go look for a segment in my mind I have one uh I've been working on one one memory
related to when I was um let's see seven must have been eight years old and living in Southern
California and uh was taken with a group of 33 children uh to Rosarita Beach in Mexico where
they had a where there's an autonomous university of Mexico um campus but it was a beach some trailers
this would be in 1956 1957 and and uh we were taken down there by a man who became a US congressman
and later ran for president and uh were joined by the governor of California and a whole lot of
people I didn't recognize but were of that caliber and they had the MK book and the MK book was Mein Kampf
and Mein Kampf no American in this generation has ever seen it you you can get uh what they call
the the original German and you can get the stack poll publisher translations but you they're not real
there's an interesting story because the man who became a congressman who was my main handler
in California uh he was the student at Heidelberg University in the 1930s who was hired by Hitler
to translate Mein Kampf and it was a 300,000 page tome it was a big book and uh it was Alan Cranston
was the one who translated it and he uh did it and he brought it he never showed it to anyone in
in Germany and he brought it back to the United States and what he published was a 27,000 word
book and um it was so bad it had nothing to do with the original text and when the Germans
got ahold of it and Hitler looked at what he'd written he was so angry that he sued Cranston
in a court in the United States and won a case for fraud against him and against stack poll
publishing um but of course this was by 1939 and the war was progressing and uh stack poll had
through the their connections with the CIA had sent out over a million free copies all over the
country so everybody had seen this book that wasn't written by Hitler it was written by Cranston and
and uh what it says has nothing to do with with what the Nazis were doing or following or
thinking and uh but when Cranston came and took all his kids to Mexico he had the original book
and um we were there to develop uh it it it included the Nazis were fascinated by trans
dimensional travel by um travel and time they saw dissociation as a means to to enter other dimensions
and and uh they needed children who were magical thinkers who could who could transit the
the barriers of society and go bring back information and creatures from other dimensions
and that's where you get um stranger things that's that's where that whole thing came from it came right
out of these these experiments that which were also done in Montauk so um but we did them at the
at the autonomous university in Rosarita um so we would gather I never saw my clothes I was
practically naked though the whole time I was down there and um so were all the other kids who
we were living just primitive uh they they were trying to get us as feral as possible
so they were creating this this lord of the fly is kind of environment
and then in the at night they'd build a fire and uh we'd wait for the extra
terrestials to come and everybody was on drugs so I mean the reliability of any memories I do get on
this is uh I was doing whatever it took to get food so um because it wouldn't feed us
so they they'd uh the only way we could get food was to do what they wanted us to do
at night when uh they wanted us to go cross dimensions and bring back entities
now I think we did that uh I think a lot of the kids didn't come back
and I think a lot of the kids got stuck out there and I think uh I think the only reason
I survived is that I sort of worked out a way to dissociate leave and still keep track of
my body the risk is that you go out so far and you stay out too long and your body dies
because it it requires you taking your energetic being out of yourself
and and uh if the kids were younger boys were particularly bad at it
so that's that's uh a lot of children died and then they there was a a credial church
down there and there's a song that Joan Baez sings called play me backwards
which describes it so well I I don't know if she was there but boy it sure sounds like it
about the sacrifices in this ratty old Mexican church which sure sounds like where I was
and uh after a period of time I was so sunburnt after because I was out in the sun all day and
and no shelter no clothes my parents had to come pick me up when they dropped me off I was this color
and had a suitcase with my outfits in the time I was down there the outfits had disappeared
and and uh all it was just me and my underpants and I was so dark I looked like one of the Mexican kids
and uh when they they had to drive me back over the border so it was my mother my father my
brother all looking like this and me looking like a a wild foreign child and I had no clothes so
I had to wear my father's shirt so my father was driving shirtless
back across the border and of course they stopped us at the border
and they pointed to me and said who's that and my father looked at me like he'd never seen me before
in his life and my mother wouldn't look at me at all and and I could see his wheels turning
I could read his mind he was thinking about he could leave me there
and and uh so I spoke up and um gave my address gave their birthdays gave you know I was a little
kid but I wasn't stupid and and uh they made my father get out of the car and they took him
to the office they made phone calls and he probably called the governor of California and
was told just let him through and I I know I can date that because I'd never had my hair cut before
that and when I came back my hair was so salty and tangled and full of dirt and sand they had to
cut it completely off so I have school pictures starting fourth grade with practically no hair
so that that dates that dates that event um but that that kind of and and so I've I've worked on
remembering that and I can relate that to the episode of coming across the border and almost
getting left by my father and the reassurance or the confirmation that I could not rely on my parents
at all that these were not my friends and and uh and that's for a child I don't know that that
betrayal of trust ever heals that's that's too big yeah and and um
but it that was the kind of thing it was the taking of that original research
because they had Mein Kampf and they had the original research and they were trying to
recreate the experiments and there were men with accents there so Mengele could have been there
it was the right time period it was the right place because I think he was clearly often at
Lookout Mountain outside of Los Angeles which is where all this all this was based out of and um
so because I did that and survived they they did it to me over and over and over again and
it's interesting that then I would go back to school and I'd be starting school with a shaved head
and and bruises and terrible sunburn and and uh they'd call in social services and all my parents
had to do was move so we would change school districts and at that time that was like moving
to a foreign planet so we moved constantly I went to a different school every six months
for all the time I was growing up until high school then I was in one high school for two
years and then I escaped and went to the University of Washington and checked myself into a new life
well but your dad um he sold you in so did he benefit financially from them owning you
yes okay I knew they were getting support for me because they were complaining about it all
the time that it wasn't enough and and uh they wouldn't want to have to buy me more than one pair
shoes they were just angry because my feet grew and and and uh so anyway so it was constant
conflict but I found out later I found I was talking to one of the Montauk boy survivors
um uh who had come across who had been mistakenly sent his documents
and uh in it was the contract between his parents and uh the program and they had gotten like 300
thousand dollars for him and uh then ongoing payments now he was 20 years after me but
I'm sure there was a substantial payment and and then I know that there was ongoing payments
and the payments stopped uh was we're going to stop when I got to college and my part of the reason
I ran away is that I there was a big fight coming about that and and my parents uh I'd won a
scholarship to go to Japan and uh a piano scholarship I was I was uh a piano prodigy
throughout junior high school and college and was invited to go to Japan and do a
concert tour with the california youth symphony and but it was going to cost 700 dollars
and neither the mk altar program nor my parents would pay for it and they were fighting with
each other and uh I'd had it uh and I started planning my my exit which was my first big
sci-op because I had to get away from my parents I had to get into college at the age of 17 uh
when it wasn't legal I had to get a teacher to fake transcripts because I hadn't done enough
I didn't have enough credits to graduate because I'd been in this
out at annexes so often that I missed most of school and um I pulled it off with the help of
teachers who understood that something was terribly wrong and they actually faked transcripts for me
and uh it only got to be a problem later when the university expected me to be able to do
advanced algebra and they'd faked the they faked my transcript to say that I'd I'd taken it already
so um yeah let me take the opportunity just to also highlight because people have trouble with this
what happens when you're trained and you know if you don't die which they don't care if
children die if they die oh well you know but the when you survive you develop these almost super human
abilities and extremely high intelligence and like you were a piano prodigy you know I was a
brainiac I got scholarships to go to university and you know and and that's actually it goes
with the extreme trauma so it's it's kind of like they make us into a weapon they make us
into whatever they're wanting to make us into and I always explain it to normal people like you know
when the uh they'd send uh children or young people to the olympics and china and the ussr
those athletes would be super because they would just train them relentlessly since they were
two years old so we can become whatever they push us to become and so I just wanted to highlight that
because I find it very interesting that you were you know a piano prodigy it's it's it's kind of
counterintuitive but we end up having these really extraordinary abilities because of all of that
right yeah and I think they select us from the beginning because we have the talents I mean they're
they're seeing us uh and and the bloodlines I mean my my uncle who was one of the founder was at
Arlington Hall and then that group went on to start the NSA um he was all kinds of prodigies he
was he spoke seven language fluently he he um went graduated from Yale at the age of 20 he
he went off to college at the age of 14 I mean he was he was a whiz in all kinds of ways
and I guess they picked me as being the most like him I don't know I and and the and the
what you're saying about this extreme trauma yes it it molds us into what they want and it also
enhances whatever abilities we have because that is your survival mechanism and and I was thinking
about that I was smiling earlier about the thinking about the PSYOP I pulled on my parents and on this
whole on them the whole system because I had to override their psychic intrusion not just my
parents but the whole MK ultra system I could get into my head and read what I was thinking so I had to
disguise everything I was thinking doing um I was faking my parents signatures on everything I could
write out their their signature but I couldn't let any them know um I got teachers to send uh
transcripts not through my parents but directly from the school I got my trend I got my
information from college sent to the high school and not not to my home
I mean I this was a whole PSYOP operation and and uh no normal kid would even think
of doing this like they wouldn't have to for me it was if I didn't get away and I didn't escape and
I didn't uh yeah get get my own life started I was dead or I was a prostitute I mean Kathy
Kathy O'Brien and I have talked about this because uh she became a a spy and and whatever they wanted
her to be uh for the CIA I was headed in the same direction um uh I'm I'm older than she is but
I went in and I went in before she did but I think the programming our programming was very similar
and they were going to use use me in that kind of way obviously they were going to send me to Russia
so um so and and so okay so how many people have been through this and survived
um the other survivors I've talked to like at Montauk they they've assumed that only
one percent even survived and and uh and their programming was pretty much the same as as my
programming when I talk to them it's it's so similar and and uh so so how many how many kids
did they pour through these programs uh it had to be tens of thousands and so how many survivors of
us are there in the United States today all kind of dazed confused not able to remember our
childhoods uh not knowing what why we have this kind of odd demeanor hiding because people tend
to think we're we're multiple personalities when we aren't um it's gotta be hundreds of thousands
so that's a and most of them if if you went through the program and you gave up your green you let your
green go out of you um you're running the country you're running corporations you're put into jobs as
CEOs even though you're not qualified you're just you're just a goat so the goats the goats
are there and the only reason they're there is to lead the sheep and uh it's not to lead the
sheep to a better place it's to kill them that's so their goal is is for the goats to lead the
sheeps to slaughter that's what this is about and some of us goats have absolutely refused
like you me Kathy and dozens of survivors who are waking up to this and saying I didn't sign
on to this I don't agree with this I'm not gonna kill anybody it's it's um but and a large component
of it the whole cunt the the mind control isn't just the people who went specifically through the
program it affects the entire population who are are believing what they see on television
yes and who wouldn't I mean it's a it's a fairy it's an ingenious system of giving you an alternate
reality which is better than the one you have so so um pick your narrative I mean heck I like
watching doubt nabby is that anywhere near the truth of anything no but uh you you want those
things and then you want to accept um whatever narrative is out there that's better than what you
what you have and this as a person who's had their mind messed with um I can't compare it
to how a normal person thinks so uh but I think what you're saying is is really really true I
say this all the time they've used trauma they've used MKL trauma based mind control on the collective
of humanity that it's like they studied it on individuals like us but then they applied it to
the collective I mean if you think every war is a deliberate trauma poverty and scarcity are
engineered on a planet such as ours that has all the abundance we would need um things like
you know the pandemic and uh you know 9 11 and all these other many many many psyops
this is all trauma based mind control and it has worked I mean the collective like you say I mean
people who wake up like to call other people sheeple and and it's it's derogatory but people
are really really programmed and they and they believe all of this stuff and they
you know so they unwittingly uh work for evil without you know kind of consciously knowing it
so really we could say they they have done it to all of us and so this is something that
we can help people wake up and understand and you know we're we're going to do another one
or two interviews together so we can talk about how do you heal from this kind of thing how do
you recover you know how do you and then how do you go out and change things because we can do this
you know I mean it it's us that you know we have a key to this but yes I 100% agree they've done it
to the collective and this is for example what you know what hollywood also is what the
entertainment industry also is I don't know if you lived in LA I don't know if you have
anything to say about that if you were taken to disney but oh yeah yeah my my whole story is revolves
around uh southern california and LA and disneyland and my mother was born in hollywood and grew up in
hollywood um right on uh practically on rodeo drive they were wealthy in the music industry
and uh but I I wanted to say that that where the where the the reason they're able to do this on a
wide scale is that they got a hold of the research done in the concentration camps no one would ever
give anyone access to that kind of ability to torture terrorize take brilliant children
prodigies out of communities and and torture them and kill them and and take the research
and that research should never have happened they should never have had this access but they did
and they were able to take the evil and sell it to other evil people which gave them the
formulas for even the idea of expanding this to not only throughout the united states but
throughout the five eyes and and yeah we have to keep talking but before we close I want to warn
everybody because um you will get triggered even hearing us talk you can get triggered because
like I say there have to be at least 300 000 of us out there you could have been in the gate
program you could have been a victim of ram koa in some other form it's it's uh after after the
initial seed was planted in the fifties in 1953 and then I was in it in 1955 that was the most
primitive they were just getting started there and since then there's been computers and and um
we didn't even have television when I started so um I want to warn you that when you do start
to remember because a lot of you will because it did happen to you and that's why you're interested
in listening to this um you will start the suicide program it will be the first thing you encounter
so you need to be extremely careful and conscious of the fact that this is something that was put
into you this is not coming from you this is something that they put in so that you wouldn't
remember and and it's powerful and it's terrifying it'll come at you at four o'clock in the morning
which is what it always comes to me as and still does often and whenever I make progress I'm right
there in the suicide program again but I I've learned to pull it away from me and to recognize
that it isn't me talking it's it's the programming and that I'm getting close to something
they don't want me to know so um we'll talk more and and definitely yeah no we just scratched
like one tiny nail of the surface here and I know yeah and I know you have to go so we'll
we'll you know thank you so much I just think even what we've spoken about today is really going
to help people to begin to understand um not only understand us survivors but understand themselves
and the whole global situation because I say this all the time everyone in any position of power or
leadership or fame or extreme wealth on the planet is one of these people you know yes yes
anytime you see someone in a position that you can't imagine why is this person who can barely sing
and barely stagger around on a stage in a amphitheater with thousands of people watching
and millions on television all around the world they don't belong there they've been MK
altered so they're serving a purpose and it isn't to entertain you it's to keep keep anyone
with real talent out of there um well before you go any last thoughts or last words you want
to leave us with today and then you know I'm glad you're amenable to coming back because I think we
you know you're a treasure trove of information for people so but just for today before you
go anything you want to leave us with well 10 years ago I couldn't have done this
um and I had to write my books and get it out of me word for word and get it down on on paper
which is what Kathy O'Brien always recommends as you start to remember start writing because it
disconnects the magical aspects of it from the from your free thought and when you're writing
you're using your free thought so as things start to come to you and there's people listening
right now that will start having things come to them write it down write it down and when
the suicide program starts telling you you're worthless you're no good you're like a waste of
space uh slow it down say no no no no I know what this is and uh and we'll keep talking
okay thank you so much um for being here today