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Hello everybody. Thank you for tuning into the Liberty Report.
With us today we have Daniel McAdams, our co-host.
Daniel, good to see you this morning.
Good morning Dr. Paul. How are you this morning?
Very well. Thank you. And you do know we have a very special guest today.
Absolutely.
He's a special guest and special friend. I've known him for a long time.
And he doesn't vacillate. He knew what was right.
And he knows a little bit about libertarianism.
He knows about writing. He's printed and published many books.
So I'm not going to go into those details.
But Charles, wait. Welcome to the program. Charles, go ahead.
Dr. Paul, thank you very much for having me on your important program, the Liberty Report.
Daniel, thank you very much. Good to see both of you again. I appreciate it.
Great to see you again.
Wonderful. I do want to mention in the introduction, just as we've worked together for a long time.
But if my memory serves me right, I think you were in a conspiracy.
And you knew a person by the name of Bill Haynes. And I knew both of you.
And then I heard you were getting together.
And I have an idea that you might have been behind a little bit of pressure
getting me involved in some of this political stuff and running for office,
at least for the presidential office.
Is that true that you and Bill actually conspired over libertarianism?
I have to tell you, Dr. Paul, that the activists that were out in force for your campaign
told me afterwards that I was the very first person on national television.
I guess it was in 2007 on the national TV.
And I can't even remember which network it was to promote you as a presidential candidate.
And I remember they were talking about something else and I knew we had 30 seconds to go
and I'm thinking, how can I mention Dr. Paul? How can I fit it in?
So I just boarded it out that you were available and we better get busy
and get you in the race and get you elected.
That was a very long time ago.
And you know, you don't always have to get elected to make a big difference in the country
as you know you have done.
Daniel, would you like to welcome our guest today?
Welcome, Charles. You're a great writer, journalist.
I've spent a lot of years admiring your voice.
Probably one of the best voices out there.
But the voice is no match for your great brain.
So we are really delighted to have you here on a day where there's really
not very much going on, Dr. Paul. It's just empty, right?
He's going to tell us what's going on.
I know he has a solution.
Yes.
It's getting people to look at that solution,
which Charles has been involved in trying to spread the message for a long time.
And that's what we try to do here.
But I want to hold up this little pamphlet book. Here we go.
And that's the most recent book that Charles has put out.
And I think we'll start off. Let me see.
Yeah, you can see that now.
I guess Charles would like to know a little bit more
and let our listeners and our viewers know about this book.
Well, Dr. Paul, you should know that it is a tribute to you
because you are the one that actually coined the phrase,
The Empire of Lies.
And that's exactly what this book is about.
The subtitle is Fragments from the Memory Hole.
And so it's a collection at the beginning.
It's not a collection.
It's a little more than a collection,
but of the ways that we have been lied into war serially
over and over again.
And I don't go that far back in history,
but I certainly go back to at least to the Vietnam War.
But some of these things will shock the current generation
about what they have told us,
how the tale has wagged the dog,
how we've been misled into one serial regime change war
after another.
And here we go again.
And the larger point of the book really is for people
to begin to value the truth.
Because if they don't value the truth,
our national trajectory is very, very grim.
And so I try to provide for people
an understanding of where we are headed
if we don't change our ways in The Empire of Lies.
And it's not a pretty picture.
It's not original with me that there is a way that empires die.
And one of the ways, it's often called Imperial Overstretch.
An Imperial Overstretch is when an empire in decline
or a country losing its global hegemony
starts to see its position waning around the world.
And so they see that not as a result of the impingement
of their economic power,
which is the case here in the United States,
but they see it as a threat to their economic might.
So instead of freeing up the economy,
saving resources for the people that created the wealth
to begin with to create a more prosperous country
and a more prosperous people
instead of doing that, they divert additional revenue
to the global military machine
and therefore hasten their own demise.
And this is clearly going on now.
President Trump just recently asked for another $50 billion
for a supplemental like everybody knows
we spend a trillion dollars a year now on the global whore machine
and he not so long ago, just weeks ago,
asked for $1.5 trillion.
So this is what empires do in extremis
and this is how they seal their own fate.
And I'll just say one more thing
and I'll give you gentlemen back your show.
But this goes hand in hand, frankly.
It's not that they just coincide.
They're co-related, but they are joined at the hip,
the decline of the American military empire
and the decline of the country's currency.
And so it's an evident phenomena
that all of the world is backing away from the US dollar
and its promises.
They know that the national debt
of the greatest debtor in the world, us,
the biggest spender in the world, us,
cannot be repaid ultimately without resorting to inflation.
These other countries know the inflation trick very, very well.
They don't mind fleecing their own people with it,
but they don't want to be fleeced any longer by ours.
So there's a movement to alternative monetary systems,
international settlement systems.
It's certainly a return to gold
on the part of many people domestically,
but certainly in foreign countries
and foreign central banks.
And this is another symptom of the decline of the empire,
because at the same time,
people are backing away no longer trusting the currency.
It's very evident in this Iran episode
that people are backing away
from the global American military empire.
And Trump says,
one day we don't need anybody's help
and the British are no good
and we don't need them and their bunch of sissies.
And then the next day,
he can't understand why he can't get the rest of the world
to join him in the Persian Gulf.
Well, it's the same way
they're backing away from the US dollar.
They're backing away from the empire.
And this spells the unwinding of both.
The dollar standard around the world
would be very painful and costly for the American people
and the global American military empire in a nutshell.
Daniel.
Yeah, and on that point, Charles,
what's sort of interesting is,
I think we tend,
a lot of Americans tend to see people
in other countries as being backward and not very smart.
But to your point about de-dollarization,
it was quite interesting
that showed a lot of savvy
that Iran announced a couple of days ago.
Yeah, we'll let you pass through the Straits of Hormuz,
but you got to pay in one, right?
So they know.
One of the admirals or something said,
we'll give free and we'll guarantee safe passage
to any tanker that wants to go through the strait
accompanied by a US destroyer.
They're begging for a target.
Master trolling.
But on your book,
I just had Caleb Malpin on,
I do a weekend show,
Ron Paul Liberty Report Extra,
where it's an interview show.
And I had Caleb on.
He talked about his new book,
The Regime Change Industry,
which is similar in many ways to yours.
And the reason why I love books like yours and Caleb's
is because we live in the time,
as you know,
especially with the younger generation
of just kind of refreshing, refreshing, refreshing.
You know, you're on Instagram,
you're on X, you're on TikTok,
you're refreshing, refreshing, refreshing.
And you do get a very current information,
but you missed the context.
And that's the problem.
And even for myself,
I go back and I read your book,
I read Caleb's and other books and I realized,
oh, that's right.
These things were happening.
Well, they're happening again.
And, you know,
we all live through the Iraq war lies,
the lies that got us into the war.
And now is the same lies being told all over again,
as if that never happened,
as if it's just sort of a faded memory
in someone's, you know, past.
But I don't know how you feel about this.
It almost seems to be a generational thing.
Like that generation is passing out
and there is a younger generation coming
that's not bound by this.
That's actually why the subtitle of the book
is Fragments from the Memory Hole.
Everybody, you know,
in high school had to read 1984,
at least I hope.
And they know that in this brave new world dystopian
that the Empire,
for example, the Empire of Love
is where they took people to be tortured.
And the Empire, or the Ministry of Truth,
is where they took history to be rewritten
and the old history got sent down the Memory Hole.
But so helped me, gentlemen.
I watched Fox News a couple nights in a row
and I just think somebody how to record that
for the last three or four weeks
and then play it back for the American people
in six months so they can see.
But it is a repeat of the same old stuff.
I mean, I hear some of the canards.
It reminds me of Donald Rumsdomer.
Well, I called it Rumsdomer.
But Donald Rumsdomer saying,
oh, this war will be six days,
six weeks, I doubt, six months.
And I hear the same thing coming out of these guys.
And of course, it's also the same thing.
It's a war in search of a pretext.
And you both know very well that the White House Iraq group
had to get together and figure out a way to sell
that war to the American people.
And they came up with a bogus phrase.
And by the way, just for those that don't know
of a different generation, the White House Iraq group
was not a group of nuclear weapons experts
or military generals wondering about what would happen
with these fierce WMDs if Iraq unleashed them.
They weren't worried about that because they didn't have them.
But it was how to convince the American people,
how to stampede the American people into the war.
And so they came up with a PR spin.
And of course they did because the whole White House
Iraq group was nothing but publicists,
PR guys, spin meisters, pollsters.
And so they came up with the phrase,
the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud.
And so the deep state is always in search
of a pretext for its wars.
And I've been delighted kind of on a media tour now
about this book, reminding people that it was 10 years ago
that President Obama declared another one
of those executive national security emergency alerts
about the grave threat posed to us by Venezuela.
Venezuela was broken.
It was in disrepair.
It was under Chavez.
It was a total economic calamity.
And yet the president assured us that this was a grave
economic threat or a threat to our standing in the world.
It was a national security threat.
And I went back and I chronicled,
what kind of arms do they have?
And he basically couldn't have landed a couple of skiffs
on the Jersey shore.
But the point of that is not that Obama was wrong
so much as it is that the deep state has always had
its eye on certain targets.
Venezuela was one of them.
And so they've searched for a pretext again.
It was national security threat 10 years ago.
This time it was fentanyl.
When everybody knows there are other much richer
sources of drug flow.
We have to pay attention to what our president says.
And Bush had a major announcement one time.
He had a big sign up on a naval vessel,
mission accomplished.
And we get to hear that two or three times a month
or a week of mission accomplished.
So that's it.
But I do want to bring up a current event that's
really been just hit the news yesterday I think.
And that has to do with Joe Kent.
And this to me is a very significant event
because he made the announcement I believe on X.
And he is the director and was the director
of the National Counterterrorism Center.
And it's short and I want to read it
because we're dealing with, you know,
where's the treason, where are the lies?
And this is such an example
because after somebody else blogged on Joe Kent's message
out there, they said, and you'll understand this
more after I read his retirement statement,
he said that he was retiring,
but I read a note, somebody right there,
this guy needs tried for treason.
And what was his, he told the truth.
He committed a really vicious lie.
So I want to read that.
And I know you'll have a comment.
Okay, this is Joe Kent.
I said he was director and was the director
of National Counterterrorism Center.
He says, after much reflection,
I have decided to resign from my position.
I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war
in Iran.
Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation.
And it's clear that we started this war
due to pressure from Israel
and its powerful American lobby.
It has been an honor serving under the president.
And this is the whole thing.
Now Joe Kent probably didn't arrive to this position
that we sort of want to emphasize
and let people know about it.
That is that he had an epiphany.
He had a change of mind.
So people who change their mind and decide,
maybe the truth is the best thing
the American people should hear.
Dr. Paul, just a quick detour.
I remember at the Republican debate,
I think it might have been in South Carolina,
you'll know for sure,
when you first ran for president.
And the audience was astonished to hear
you say that the war could be ended in this manner.
You said we just marched in.
We can just march out.
So the other day for my own curiosity,
and I should have jotted the numbers down,
but I went and looked, I used GROC
to find how many additional deaths
were there of Americans from that day forward.
Because had we walked out at that time,
all the tragedy that occurred after that
wouldn't have happened.
How many Iraqis were killed needlessly
after the date you said we could just march out?
And how much did it cost the American people?
I don't remember the exact numbers,
but it was certainly thousands of Americans.
It was tens of thousands of additional Iraqi deaths.
And I believe the number was another
$1.5 trillion in expenditures
since the day you said we could march out.
Had they only listened?
Yeah, Joe Kent has made a name for himself.
I'm among probably tens of thousands of people
that sent him a congratulatory post on social media.
Very proud of him for doing that.
He's a man who's seen battle, been in battle,
I believe he lost his wife in the mid-east war.
And so to see him,
by the way, you will remember that
Pentagon chat group when they were deciding
to attack the Houthis a year ago.
It was a year ago this month.
And he, among all of them,
he mentioned, you know what will happen,
the Iraqis will expend a great deal
of munitions and armaments on this effort,
and they will expect us to replenish them.
True words have never been spoken.
But anyway, congratulations to Joe Kent.
I wonder about others.
I wonder, maybe you both have a thought about this.
I wonder about Tulsi Gabbard,
who I've liked very much over the years.
I sometimes sympathize with people in that position.
They may think, well, I'm here.
Maybe I can do some good.
Maybe I can be a check on their madness.
Maybe I can have an impact.
And yet, you know, Joe Kent's obviously
is going to have a huge impact with his retirement.
And Tulsi would have one too.
So I don't know how that discussion should break.
I think you remember probably, Charles, during the Iraq war,
there were several of these kinds of, you know,
benchmark events, you know, things that happened
that were really important.
There were a few people that broke away
from the Bush administration.
We had a few of them speak in your office,
as a matter of fact.
These things are very important events.
I think this is definitely one of them.
Now, from the letter of resignation that he sent to Tulsi Gabbard
and to President Trump, as you point out, he said,
as a veteran who deployed to combat 11 times
and as a gold star husband
who lost my beloved wife Shannon
in a war manufactured by Israel,
I cannot support sending the next generation off
to fight and die in a war that serves
no benefit to the American people,
nor justifies the cost of American lives.
Joe Kent, I certainly didn't agree with everything.
He was a lot more hawkish than we are,
but chose himself to be man of integrity.
And how do we know that because of the response so far?
The smear boond is out in full force.
I'll read you a couple of things.
Here's our favorite warrior.
He's been in combat many, many times.
Lindsey Graham.
Lindsey Graham, it's...
Mr. Kent is echoing the democratic talking points
which are devoid of fact or evidence.
Mr. Kent said Iran prose no imminent threat to the U.S.
clearly he did not go to work enough.
This is a person at the nerve center of U.S. intelligence.
Carolyn Levitt, the duplicitous
spokesperson for the White House,
she said Kent is making democrat and liberal talking points.
I mean, I think that's just beneath contempt
to have to say this about a decorated combat veteran like this.
Right.
We've seen it in operation so many times.
It's almost... I hope it's becoming ineffectual
because people are beginning to see it's transparent.
It's fictional.
But it reminds me, since you mentioned Lindsey Graham,
I wrote a piece the other day
mentioning that even John McCain's daughter
has said they've got to pull Lindsey Graham
off the national stage.
He's so crazed.
He's so crazed in his warmongering
that it's an embarrassment to everybody.
You know, in promoting Empires of Lying,
going on a lot of podcasts and radio and TV shows,
one of the things I've started to make notes about
and I may even write a piece about it
is how easily the American people are propaganda.
So I made a note of some of the key things
that they say in objection to my point of view,
your point of view on these things.
And one of them is very funny.
It's because it's so tissue thin and they say,
well, and they get this on Fox News, of course,
because it's repeated over and over again.
They say, well, for 47 years,
they have called us the great Satan.
And for 47 years, they have chanted
Death to America.
And I'm thinking, don't you people listen
to the political debate?
I remember President Reagan getting ready
for a Saturday morning address saying,
and the bombs fall on the Soviet Union starting right now.
And it shook the people in the Kremlin when he heard that.
And then there was John McCain.
I watched him on TV singing like some crazed beach boy,
bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, I ran.
That was, I don't know, 10 years ago or more.
And then what about President Trump?
Yeah, and President Trump goes around,
if they don't do what we tell them,
there will be hell to pay.
You will see Hellfire and Brimstone like you've never seen.
The world's going to come crashing down on people.
And he says this stuff throughout his entire presidency.
And so nobody listens to the propaganda
and the sad excuse for talking points
that are violent and hateful that come out of the US.
But the media has them focused on the fact
that people turned out in the streets
once they got tired of being manhandled
by America's puppet government in the 1970s
and shouted death to America, the great Satan.
It's par for the course.
Yeah.
Well, that's neocons.
Well, I have one quote.
I want to get a response from Charles.
This is in this article that we had talked about.
And this comes from Rubio, your family.
Oh, another great guy.
Secretary of State.
Is he Secretary of State?
Yeah.
And a few other things.
A few other things, yeah.
This, my told reporters.
I'm wearing this all the time.
I'm not quite sure that it makes any sense.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
So Charles is going to make sense of it.
This, my told reporters, the US decided to strike Iran
because Israel had made a decision to attack first.
And Iran would retaliate against American troops
if the Trump administration didn't launch its own preemptive strike.
Is that logical?
Somebody in the Obama administration said,
well, they tried the same thing with us.
They said, if you don't do it, we're going to start doing it now.
And they just brushed them off.
But how does this work that the so-called junior partner,
how does this work that the tail gets to wag the dog,
the junior partner gets to control what the big partner does,
the senior partner does?
I mean, it's absolutely incomprehensible.
And to understand that although we are their sole resource provider,
the president couldn't stand them down from a threat like this
in the interest of peace.
He couldn't stand them down.
And yet they're totally dependent on us for their war machine.
It's just an incomprehensible.
The only clear solution, the only clear resolution of it
is that Trump wanted the war.
It's very clear he wanted the war.
And he's actually been a warm-up.
I know he talks peace in campaigns.
And I know he called out the Iraq war as a bogus that we relied into war.
But I will tell you, even during his first campaign,
some of his advisors mentioned off the record
that he keeps asking about nuclear weapons.
Well, why do we have all these dukes if we can't use them?
What good are they if we can't use them?
And they had repeatedly to try to talk him down about,
well, you can't use them for a multitude of reasons.
And he was surprised to hear all this
and kept asking about using them.
Yeah, that sounds like it reminds you of Madeleine Albright.
What's good is this great military if we can't use it.
Interesting.
What don't you think about this?
We tend to talk about the deep state
and certainly there is an evil deep state out there.
But on the way into the studio, I've listened to John Meersheimer
talking to Judge Napolitano.
And he made an interesting and very ironic point
that it was the deep state that was trying to prevent Trump from doing this.
And that's why you saw the leaks.
That's why you saw all of these things come out
because they saw that he was huddled with Jared Kushner,
with Steve Witkoff, with a very, very small group of people
who were very, very closely tied to Israel.
And this doesn't mean the deep state is our savior,
but it means that survival is their number one goal.
And so they wanted him to not do this because then they knew
the things were going to go badly if he didn't listen to them.
But this is going to be my last question
because I feel like we were so enthusiastic about starting
a conversation with you, at least speaking for myself,
that we really didn't give you a chance to talk about your book.
So if you could walk us through the book,
we want people to buy the book.
So let's sell that book.
That's very generous of you.
Well, it's pretty juicy in a lot of ways.
You mentioned Madeleine Albright.
Everybody remembers that her saying that 400,000 excess deaths
or whatever it was in the Middle East and in Iraq
was worth the price.
And that was one of the key arguments of Ben Laden
when he launched his fight against the United States.
That seems to have slipped down the memory hole,
but I even have a better one.
Hugh Shelton was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs
at the time of 9-11.
He had been chairman during the Clinton administration
for a couple of years.
And there was sort of a principles group
that would meet every week to have breakfast in the White House
and it consisted of a couple of cabinet secretaries,
senior staffers, General Shelton and one or two others.
And one day, this is in his biography,
this is an internet rumor,
one day he said one of the parties to those breakfasts,
it's very clear, if you read between the lines,
that it was Madeleine Albright, he doesn't say.
It's very clear it was Madeleine Albright
who came up to him and said, this is before 9-11,
said, General, why don't we do a thing where, you know,
you paint a plane and you put a pilot up there
and we can shoot it down over Iraq
and give us justification for a war in Iraq.
And he was livid about it.
He was furious about it and in his telling
in his autobiography, he dressed her down.
But the same sort of thing, you know,
seems to go on over and over again.
So I cover things like that so people can understand
there is justification, ample justification to be,
to be, to scrutinize things people say
and false flag attacks are common
and I detail a lot of them,
but I want to say something about the media
since that's a little bit of my background.
There is a strange syndrome
that you won't find in any of the psychiatric diagnostic manuals,
but it really should be found in there.
I've given it the name Combat Envy
and it is, it is so dangerous
would it manifest itself in political leaders
and in our leading journalists and communications.
I mean, if you run into a guy in a bar sometime
and he said, oh yeah, I was an ABCL
and he has a, you know, kind of a hole in his psyche
he's trying to fill by bragging about something
that may or may not have occurred.
That's one thing, but when they're on national television every day
it's another problem.
So, so Fox News featured a guy named Wayne Simmons
for years, for 15 years I guess
and he was, he was described as a former CIA
national security expert and terrorism expert and so on
and they trotted him out all the time
not because of the wisdom of what he said
but because Fox News liked it
because you know, the narcotic of fear is good for revenue
it's good for ratings.
Oh, it's another Fox News alert
and here's Wayne Simmons tells us about the latest
and he, for 15 years he came up with the most outlandish stuff
he argued 15 years ago
that we should have launched a ground invasion of Iran
15 years ago.
So finally some real CIA guy got a little bit tired of this nonsense
just like some of the deep state guys thought
maybe we better back up Trump
or we'll lose control of this operation
and so they blew the cover on him
and it turned out that this national security expert
was really a hot tub manager
and a bookie, he was a bookie and a hot tub man.
So anyway they got rid of him
but it's even worse, I hope people will remember
Brian Williams who was the primary news anchor on NBC
and Brian Williams started
he went into the first Iraq invasion on a helicopter thing
there's no danger to him whatsoever
but he started embellishing the tale
and then the first telling it was we went in
and we were threatened and so on
the next one I saw our PG's coming at us
the next one, oh they hit us
and they hit the helicopter behind me
and then the next one
and it just grew and grew
corkscrew landings or whatever he said
and this went on on national television
and so finally some of the guys
that were on the mission got tired hearing it
and they blew the whistle on Brian Williams
and Stars and Stripes
and so by the way the operation was called Big Windy
which was a good description of Brian Williams himself
but so when the truth came out
now think about this
the truth came out about this
and what was his excuse
he said, oh I must have had a brain tumor
I mean he's trying to shuffle off
responsibility for his lies
but it's even worse than that
because this was NBC
I think it was owned by General Electric
major, you know, Pentagon contractor
and so on at the time
did they fire him? No
so here's the national news media
doesn't have respect enough for the truth
or their viewers
when a guy is called in a flagrant lie
about war and peace on their primary anchor
do they have enough respect for him to let him go
maybe they should pay for his counseling
if that's what he needs
maybe he has a brain tumor
they should give him an MRI
whatever the case is
but they shouldn't entrust him
with the people's viewing
and yet they suspended him
for a nominal couple of weeks
and then they shuffled him off
made him a primary anchor on MSNBC
and I could tell you stories like this
about guys in the national news media
like Bill O'Reilly
another warm longer
and Bill O'Reilly bragged about
when I lead my men in battle
you can find the YouTube of them talking about that
well of course he never led any men in battle
and then he said well when I was in a war
in the Falklands
well he was never in the Falklands
never period end of story
and when I was in the war
and when I saw this
and when I was in the war in the Falklands
and he even went so far
he went so far as to say things like
I saw nuns getting shot in the head
and I suppose he was talking about things
in Central America at the time
but in any case the truth finally comes out
and it turns out
of course he was never in the Falklands
he was never in a war
and he never saw nuns getting shot in the head
but like all of us
he might have seen the pictures
and yet
you know if you saw the Zapruder film
would you say you were an eyewitness
to the assassination of John F. Kennedy
so but of course Fox circled the wagons
and they protected him
and by the way it went on even further than that
I don't read any of his books
but I told now that in his
Killing Kennedy book
he talks about having been on the front porch
of I think it was George DeMorenschild
in Florida
it was an Oswald associate
a CIA Oswald guy
and when DeMorenschild
purportedly committed suicide
with a shotgun
O'Reilly was there to get the big scoop
just before he killed himself
and he heard the shotgun blast
when he was ringing the doorbell
and it was a lie
it was another lie
he was in Texas at the time
and they had tape recordings of him
talking to somebody on the phone
at the time
he was nowhere around
so this is combat envy
and I could cite you
cases of elected officials
we all know about them
that make up these tales
about their own personal daring do
but these people
are dangerous because
they try to stamp
they fill their own inadequacy
by talking about their bravado
and they hope to use their bravado
to stamp people
and do another war
glorious war
so I call this syndrome combat envy
and there's a lot more like that
but tries to explain
how we get where we are
and how we're manipulated
where we are going
Charles I want to again
thank you very much
for being on our program today
it was a great program
and I'm sure our viewers
have been very pleased
I'm going to put up this picture
the copy of your book
to remind them
go out there
and get this book
Empower of Lives
and also I'm going to close
with one little comment
Lions have been around for a long time
and there are
some lies
I guess they're worse than others
and I would say
the lies getting us into war
probably is much worse
than a lot of other lying
the other lies
they're all bad
but when they lie about war
and get them into war
just think of the lies
about Vietnam or whatever
it looks like
almost every war we've been in
it leads to a lot more death and destruction
but I do want to thank you again
Charles for being with us
and I want to thank our viewers
for tuning in today
to the Liberty Report
please come back soon