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Okay, well, today is going to be a great episode. Every time we have Gavin on, it's a very compelling educational experience.
This guy is basically walking encyclopedia and there's a reason why he's the heavyweight champ of returning guests to the Free Thought Project podcast.
And before I jump into his intro here, can anybody guess how many times Gavin's been on this podcast?
I think in five maybe?
Anybody else? Anybody?
Four. I'm thinking it's maybe eight, man.
Today it makes eight, yes.
Holy shit.
Wow.
And I was looking at the notes here and it looks like you've been a guest four times.
I think twice you came on as part of like a roundtable discussion and even one time as a guest host.
So there's certainly a bountiful buffet for any of our listeners who really want to catch up on Gavin's work or his endless knowledge.
But he is also written for us here at the Free Thought Project.
And he's also our 2018 purge band buddy when we lost hundreds of thousands of followers on our pages and accounts on the same day and along with many others.
But that's really just the tip of the iceberg touching on how far back our connection with Gavin goes.
But Gavin, I know it's extremely early in your neck of the woods.
Thank you so much for making the time to join us today and welcome back to the Free Thought Project podcast, brother.
How you been?
It's always a pleasure because things have been challenging, man.
But when you look around the world, I think it would probably be the collective perspective.
But despite how challenging it is, there's always stuff to be optimistic about.
So hopefully we'll get into some of that today.
Absolutely, man.
Well, you should know if anybody, and this is something I actually wanted to mention here, is that Gavin is the one who is responsible for making all these kick-ass videos that you're probably seeing on social media.
These one minute kind of real videos with highlighting different podcast guests.
Gavin's been the one behind the scenes working on that.
So if anybody knows that we always try to end the podcast on a white pill, it's probably you, man.
You've had to listen to all these shows for the past year or so.
But it has been a little while since you've been on the show.
I think it was back in April of last year when we talked about Zionism, Jewish eugenics, and the Nazi connection, which was a pretty fascinating show.
But we've been talking for over a year now about having you come back on.
And I remember around the beginning of this year, you reached out to me about a topic that you were currently researching.
And of course, at that time, the topic was being discussed at length.
But now with the news cycle moving at breakneck speed, it's slowly but surely over the course of time then kind of forgotten about.
Now, the topic I'm referring to is Elon Musk's pet project, Doge.
You know, the Department of Government Efficiency.
And I remember when it first launched, like many of us didn't really know what to think about it.
We wanted to believe it would do some good.
And if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure Musk even boasted about his goal of eliminating $2 trillion in government spending.
Well, spoiler alert, of course, that didn't happen.
And about a week ago, we heard reports surfacing that Doge had actually been shut down.
I think it was AP Reuters and a few other mainstream outlets reported on it as fact.
But then there was some confusion when the Doge department themselves tweeted out that they're not halting operations.
So I guess the jury is still out on that one.
But about all the critiques and criticisms Americans had about it, one good thing did come from Doge.
It effectively ended the government money laundering scheme known as USAID.
And it was pretty big news when it happened.
But I don't think many people really know the extent about how deep the rabbit hole goes.
And those of us who have studied the state over the years, we know that if this happened once before,
it could certainly happen again.
So Gavin, I know this is a topic that you've invested a lot of time into
and have kind of mapped out all the different avenues of deep-seated corruption.
So what are the most explosive findings you found when researching the depth of malfeasance
and abuse of power within USAID?
All right, so that's a great question.
And I'm glad that I get an opportunity to address this on a platform like the Freethore Project.
Because honestly, and I know this happens to you guys too, there's so many things taking place
and you become so inundated and overwhelmed that you actually have to pick and choose what you're going to react to
or respond to intelligently.
And it's very easy in that process to get caught up with your own personal life
or it becomes a rabbit hole.
And so for me, you know, between life circumstances and so on and so forth,
I wanted to address that you said stuff so badly because not one single researcher in our field, not one,
made any mention of the fact that you said historically to the United States
Agency for International Development has been central to global depopulation campaigns.
So something that people may be a little bit more familiar with the infamous memo 200,
I think it was called from Henry Kissinger, you guys may recall that.
In there, Henry Kissinger is of course talking about different methodologies for population control
and literally population control.
Well, that was addressed to you said.
And this is because in 1966 under the Lyndon Johnson administration,
they created something called the Office of Population.
Very all-William sounding.
And its mandate was to basically target third world countries specifically.
It wasn't relegated to third world countries.
There were also countries in Europe for population control like literally.
And so there were also operations that targeted locally.
I mean, we can get into that if you want to.
But what I saw to inspire was the alleged investigation of Durge
was it was actually a very skillful cover up of what the institution actually did
of what you said was really involved with it directly.
Now a lot of researchers were of course slick enough to go ahead and pick up on
like it's got a long COVID history of destabilizing governments.
And that's absolutely imperative.
It was great that that was being exposed.
But in regards to the so-called deep state, which I just coined the shadow government.
It's the easiest way to understand it because essentially what a deep state is
if you listen to an actual operative like Vincenzo Vincenzo from Operation Guardia,
it means the state within a state.
So there's a government deep within the government.
And the easiest way to frame that is it's simply a shadow government.
They operate in the shadows.
And honestly, the connecting thread I see and it's most certainly the reason
also I like to use the friggin term deep state is because it's been so thoroughly hijacked
and weaponized and politicized as if it's only one political party involved.
This goes far beyond politics and it goes far beyond skin colors
and it goes far beyond geographical boundaries and it goes far beyond one corporation.
There's entire deep population establishment.
It's in a population control establishment and it's worldwide.
And central to that was indeed you said.
So in 1966 when they first received their mandates,
of course it was private interest, the private sector,
specifically John D. Rockefeller III through the Population Council
and the Population Council was founded by him and several well-known eugenics,
including the president of the American Eugenics Society,
which was Frederick Osborne.
And so they began to lobby governments because in the past population control wasn't,
this was not considered a government issue.
It was something that they would actually dedicate taxes towards.
And so what they tend to do in the private sector is they will use their influence,
they will use their power, they will use the shadow government,
which is to say that you have operatives within corporations,
within the media, within the governments, just all over the place.
And they will wage an intense propaganda campaign,
sometimes the false flag campaign, whatever it takes.
And then when they get public awareness,
then they can start to lobby the government to actually go ahead
and invest taxpayers' money.
It's very clever.
So what they did in 1966 eventually they got the office of population
and their first target was the government of India.
The government of India is the first government officially to go ahead
and institute an actual mass population control program,
where they sterilized, man, it was like, I want to say,
maybe 12 million of their citizens.
It was very coercive.
If you look at the playbook that they utilized and they implemented,
I mean, you could literally extract it
and it was used in many ways for the scandemic period.
We all will give you a financial incentive if you get sterilized.
Oh, you can't work at your job unless you get sterilized.
And they were doing just absolutely crazy things to the Indian population
to get them forcefully sterilized.
And so what was going on then,
the reason why they were willing to sign off on this particular program in India
was under the Prime Minister Indira Gandhi,
no relation to Mahatma Gandhi.
The reason why she was willing to do it is for two reasons.
The first is they were desperate.
They were in dire straits.
They had just been in a war with Pakistan and they had a famine
and they were in desperate need of some kind of foreign aid.
And so London Johnson said, look, man, and of course his advisors,
they said, look, there's no way that we're going to give you stuff
unless you control your population.
And then the other thing, which I don't know how taken aback they were,
but Indira Gandhi was like, hell, yes, let's do that.
Because in India they have the infamous case system
or they have historically.
So it's what I always say, man, like this boogeyman of white supremacy,
it's not fundamentally different to the boogeyman of Islamic terrorism
and so on, it's oversimplified
because the real issue at the heart of all of it is elitism
and it cuts through skin colors, it cuts through government.
So in India they were willing to play ball.
And then together that's what they did.
They began to go ahead and sterilize massive numbers of their population
and you said was sexual to this campaign.
They went ahead.
In fact, there was something known as the Dalkin Shield.
People can look at this fucking wild.
D-A-L-K-O-N Shield.
So the Dalkin Shield, it was actually used in the US, right?
And four women ended up dying from using this device
because it was a piece of shit.
So what does this do?
The guy that was the head of you said his name was
Reinhardt Ravenholtz, if I recall correctly.
This dude goes ahead and gets a deal
where I think he was able to purchase them for like a discounted price
because they were unsterilized
and then he sends them to third world countries.
Why would you do something like it?
Because these people are ideologues of eugenics
and of course for people who are familiar with my work
the significance of them starting to go kind of on this
population control crusade
is that this was in the wake of World War II.
After what happened in Nazi Germany with their eugenics program
eugenics which had a lot of
scientific establishment authority behind it.
I mean the leading scientists, the leading academics.
Leading figures within every field.
After, so attached to it was kind of like this game
Demic Period.
Well, this is science, man.
This is for the betterment of humanity.
We're just trying to protect you.
And then when that was discovered that's not the case.
They started to do something called and I quote
crypto eugenics.
And crypto eugenics was when they began to utilize
all these different clandestine vehicles like you said
like the population council.
Like it would have happened in India for example
the population council was there.
The Rockefeller Foundation was there.
The Ford Foundation was there.
The International Planned Period Federation was there.
And other organizations still from Sweden and so on
and they all worked together for this narrative.
And so when I was saying about the deep states
what binds them then and it crosses internationally
and it goes on to this day is this virulent desire
to not just engage in population control in terms
of social engineering but actual depopulation.
And so complimentary to what you said did there
they also did similar work in multiple other nations.
So including South Korea, Japan, Indonesia
all of the countries that are having a decline
in populations today because very few people know about this.
It doesn't really get spoken about which blows my mind.
But the world right now is headed in the direction
of population extinction because we aren't
recovering our population.
I think the figure is 1.1 children or something
per woman to repeat the population.
Right now we are actually headed for mass population
decline and if you begin to see all the different
countries that had these programs that had these
strings attached to them like if you want aid
well you've got to go ahead and do these coercive
programs. You've got to engage in this propaganda.
Those were the countries today that are suffering
from population decline.
So when I looked at everything and I heard everybody
talking about like what's going on with this
and you know the Department of Government Efficiency
and they're also trying to make it out to be
just like this simpleton joke of a circus show.
I don't know if you guys recall that.
They spoke about oh you know there's a comic book
and it's LGBTQ. What they don't understand guys
is when they promote LGBTQ it's not because
they're trying to think oh this is about
woke ideology and they believe in it.
It's a population control method.
And people will be like that is the most
ridiculous shit I've ever heard.
Is it now? The reason why it is implemented
is because they figured out a long time ago
that by promoting homosexuality
and again I said this before in a previous
podcast I have nothing against people
who are homosexual. I have homosexual friends
either you call or you're a dick.
It's very simple to me alright.
But by promoting it they found
because these people are very scientific
in the administration of the population
that it can actually promote people not wanting
to have children. And just to corroborate
that because I love to give people evidence
you want to corroborate things with objective
reality which is there for the truth
go ahead and look at the Jaffe Memo
J-A-F-F-E Memo.
And this was between the vice president
Frederick Jaffe of Planned Parenthood
and the president of the population
council Bernard Barrison.
And in there in the Jaffe Memo
very unambiguously not taking
anything out of context your listeners can go
and listen to it. They talk about different
proposals for population control.
And one of those proposals is to promote
homosexuality.
So not that all you said is just this incompetent
woke promoting
institution. No it was
central to the
global deep state apparatus
the shadow governments and what
they effectively did Trump and
Musk is their administration
far from exposing it
they actually covered it up because once
they see the website guess what you couldn't access
a website and access a record anymore
and in addition to not being able to do that
we now know they also destroyed documents
yeah man and
and speaking of that like the transgender
stuff I like the and all that
the doge you know what we mentioned
earlier that that was going after all
that right like the headlines for in the
the MAGA right media were like victory
you know the Elon Musk was
swinging an axe and or a chainsaw
trying to be like I'm so laying
cuz yeah I mean and and I mean I think
we they cut something like like just in
the tens of thousands of dollars in that range for
like a transgender musical and Ireland
or some stuff or and then
like a handful of like a bizarre DEI
programs like they cut
that we're talking hundreds of thousands of
dollars here and there which is like pennies
you know to everybody else
and of course MAGA like bought it up
and they bought it hook line and sinker
and they like they declared
that like the deep state had been slain
by Elon Musk and Donald Trump
but I mean that was basically lies
of omission right like those
of us that were paying attention and weren't
distracted by the low hanging fruit like the
transgender DEI stuff
that they they allegedly cut out of the
USAID you know
the teeth of USAID like the
the multi-billion-dollar framework
that that you know funds regime
change operations and props up foreign
dictators and to maintain
the global status quo that
wouldn't cut at all that was just moved
and and put under the State Department
handed directly to Marco Rubio
right it effectively
made it like more centralized and
probably even less accountable because
it's not its own entity
anymore it's just the State Department now
you know it's like it's
one of the oldest tricks in the book man
but you know like
I guess my question
is this like so you know
the this promise of
deconstruction became like a
pivot to to consolidation
and you know you spend years
dissecting this exact
patterns of like elite control
and centralized power that
makes this kind of sleight of hand possible
so from
your perspective as as someone who studies
this the the history of elitism and
control like that man why do you think
like a mass movement
driven by these very libertarian
impulses that like to shrink the state like
like in the wars
you know drain the swamp
cut government
yet they now we see like
he's starting more of Venezuela the dude
is completely in bed in the swamp
and he's launching like one of the
largest expansions of governments
government power at least
and overspending that we've seen
like before his predecessors
like what what is the fatal flaw
and this popular strategy
that allows the elite
to execute this bait and switch
so effectively
yeah so that's a great question
and I think for people
that haven't succumb
to the tribalism trappings
man whether it was
you know the so-called war
on terror and then the scam
dynamic period and now with this
insanity
essentially the issue from
the vantage point of climbing
the mountain of awareness that
I've climbed that
is around the turn of
the 19th century
the elitist class specifically like
the Rockefeller interests the organizations
that were leading the charge in this was
the Rockefeller Foundation if you want to really study
so-called deep state politics
for shadow governments you need to
look at the history of the Rockefeller Foundation
that is the premier institute
and next to them kind of a little brother
organization with the Ford Foundation
and then the Carnegie
philanthropy have also been involved
in that particular guide and of course it was
also been involved in depopulation
but right next to depopulation
population control programs
they've taken an unprecedented
interest in social engineering
and so at the turn of the 19th century
what they actually began to do
was fund what we call
now the social sciences
and they made this a very serious
academic pursuit
and
very few people understand what this is about
you know like
sociology
anthropology
public administration
you say these terms to the average person
right even somebody who's relatively
well researched and they're like
what the fuck is that I don't know what that means
essentially these
are different elements of studying
society
and how you can
either directly condition them
or how the environment interacts
with them and so
that program
this like a match program the first
course in sociology was at the University
of Chicago which was founded by John D. Rockefeller
junior was a senior junior
quite quite recall it's funny because
senior gets all the attention but junior was
far worse than senior
and so they began to like make a serious
study out of this in the truncated
publication I actually have on
the free thought project
the history of elitism or government and population
control I go through
some of the scientists that they went ahead
and funded and study which included
a guy like John B. Watson
John B. Watson was also eugenist
with one of the fathers
of behaviorism and he
conducted this really unethical experiment
they called the little elbow experiments
I've spoken about it many times in the past
wouldn't be surprised if I did so in the podcast as well
I think maybe on the podcast with Don
actually it comes to my mind I think we spoke about
that before and what this
essentially was man you guys are I'm sure
familiar because it's quite popular worldwide
the Pavlovian experiments
on dogs so he was actually
studying their digestion
Ivan Pavlov and then he
saw that when his assistant
who was tasked with feeding the dogs
when she was just present
when she came before them they began to
salivate but there was no food there
so why are they salivating and eventually
he made the connection okay
they are associating her
with
the food with the primal
desire for eating some food
and so they begin to salivate
now if you have a dog you know you grab the leash
what do they do should they jumping all over the place
they happy as can be because they know what time it is
and so we all have this
you can actually look us up for people who want a bit more of an
introductory awareness it's called
associative memory and then
for a bit of a more academic perspective
is that neurons that fire together
wire together and so
part of all of these different studies that they have
conducted over the years
includes classical conditioning
and so John Watson for example
what he did is a little Albert experiment
he said okay I like this idea
I want to see how I can apply it to human beings
well he has this little baby
little Albert and let me
see if I can teach this baby how to
become fearful, irrationally fearful
and so this is how the experiment went
they put the little baby there
it was a couple months old
highly unethical kind of walkies crawling around
and they're putting all different kinds of stimuli
and I call it stimuli in front of him
so it's a burning newspaper and then they put a bunny
rabbit and then they put a mouse
and they put all these different things
excuse me and then they went ahead and they
tabulated and wrote down
the observations and the child was fairly
neutral except for like with the mouse it was playful
so John Watson being the sick fuck
that he is he went ahead and said okay
what I'm going to do is
I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to give
the mouse back to the kid because it's like
the mouse every time this baby tries to
play with the mouse I'm going to make a horrible
excruciating noise
and it's going to make the child scared because
it's so so loud
and so every time the lover will try to play with the mouse
boom make this horrible noise
and the lover would cry
and he would cry some more
and the more repetitive
and the more habitual he did this
the baby would cry and cry
and so eventually
he didn't have to make the noise anymore he just had to present to the mouse
that little Albert actually had
liked before into the equation
and little Albert would hysterically cry
of course he doesn't understand
he's a baby it's unconscious
and so this kind of methodology
is one of many many
experience guys experiments
where the elitist class
have literally studied
how they can
manipulate our most primal
psychology our most
primal
biological responses
and we are they know how
how they can make us emotionally
react in an unthinking way
and so they took it to heart man
the art of war
son suit know your enemy they know us
oh yes algorithm
algorithmically they know what we're searching for online
they know
about our emails they know about
the ins and outs they know us better than
we know ourselves
and so the reason why they are capable of constantly
doing this
is because they still
have a monopoly
on esoteric psychology on weaponizing psychology
I'll give you one more
study before I hand the mic back over
because it's so interesting
but it was something called the robbers cave
experiment
and this guy was I think his name was
Sharif Muzavir
let's see how good I am I think his name was Sharif Muzavir
something like that
but people can look it up the robbers cave experiment
and so with
a robbers cave experiment
what these researchers did
is they got I think it was a bunch of Boy Scouts together
and they were two teams
and so what they went ahead is they started to actually
antagonize each group
the researchers themselves
the authorities that are entrusted with
being benevolent
and so they started to antagonize these two groups
against one another and so they were at each other's
throats
and then they created an external emergency
where they would have to unite together
and so there's just
countless examples like this man
and also as I illustrated before
MKUltra
which is an umbrella term you obviously your project audit
operation Bluebird and MKNiomy
and it just goes on and on
but that was one massive covert
endeavor
into mastering
mind control, behavioral modification and so on
through the use of drugs through the use of
media propaganda techniques and so on
so the issue
fundamentally it has to be decoded
which is why one of the many reasons I'm creating a digital
school is I need to like help
empower people with this knowledge
because once you have the knowledge and the awareness man
it's actually relatively easy
to mindfully see it and not get swept up in the
bullshit
but when you don't you just little
albit and you get swept up in the propaganda
so unfortunately that's what it is man
they are just 10 steps ahead right now
but with the rollout
of social media and the internet and so on and so forth
yes it has many bad things
on the good
end is when it's in the hands of people like us
and this is the fundamental difference
between agents of elitism
and agents of humanity
is when it's in our hands
we take this esoteric knowledge
and we seek to empower
people so that they may defend
themselves whereas they take this
knowledge they hold it for themselves so they can
weaponize exploit and attack others
right yeah man
and you know it's so
fascinating in a way
I mean obviously it's fascinating because you know
for like geeks like us we study this shit
but like obviously on the other end
it's incredibly nefarious but like
you know so like looking at the USAID stuff
I mean I wrote back in
what was it February of
2025
you know just talking about how a lot of the
stuff that was getting exposed
even though it was like super surface level
it was more so like as you were explaining along
like the realm of
you know slight of hand
carrot stick like focus on this stuff
but not like the deeper stuff
it was getting exposed how USAID
was so incremental
in so many of these destabilization
projects with promoting propaganda
through the
national endowment for democracy and working with
CIA and all of these
front media organizations
in foreign countries
including Venezuela as we're seeing right now
but also in Ukraine and Cuba
and all over the place where they
had these so called independent
radio and news sites
set up to like
you know give a voice to the resistant
population and in reality
it was all CIA
you know fomenting
color revolution regime change
bullshit and
you know it really is
so important for people to understand
just how deeply
all of this is tied in
to like a subconscious
psychological manipulation it's actually
I've said for years
one of the most important things that anyone can do
is to
arm themselves with the understanding of
how psychological warfare works
like even on a basic level if you just
like look at it
one hour or two hour lecture on youtube
or read one psychological warfare
manual to classify from the US military
just getting a basic understanding
of how they weaponize information
and subconscious behavioral modification
is
such a valuable tool to being
able to see it
so that you can better resist against it
so for listeners take that
to heart and like really start learning about this stuff
it's so crucial but
to more to your point
with seeing how
USAID was tied into these
propaganda efforts that were also
tied into the eugenics efforts and all
of these sorts of things
how far back
from what you have researched does that
really go like obviously it predates
USAID's very
existence from the Johnson administration
you know going and goes back to
MKUltra and goes
back to Edward Bernays from the 1920s
and all that sort of stuff but I mean like
in an integral
sort of
continuity in a way
from
these sorts of programs
pushing
essentially these kinds of narratives to
to you know foment
these subtle behavioral
changes that
we're seeing today for example
yeah it's also a good question
I mean look this stuff
goes back to ancient history
because
the elitist class
have always relied
on
kind of weaponizing
their understanding
of human psychology
against the rest of the population
and being a parent then one of the things
I've learned I've always loved to study human nature
and so
being a parent I'm very
attuned to kind of like
how my little dude operates
and seeing what he does
and if you can actually understand the fundamentals
of how a child operates man
their behavior, the mood swings
or whatever it may be
and how they are very emotional
you can actually apply that
introductory concept
to the whole entire population because we have
that little child still in us
and what's also highly significant
going back to the unconscious
is that's when you are most programmable
that's why they call it your formative years
and so there's a lot of things that happen
especially in the authoritarian paradigm
that is
western society
and it goes far beyond western society
let's not pick on one particular
civilization
I've lived in multiple countries
multiple cultures and I can tell you this issues
all over the place
but this breeds a lot of
unconscious irrationality
and a trickle is done
it's not usually an organic happening
so what I mean by that is yes there will be some kind of authoritarian figure
a government figure
and then they have a vested interest to promote propaganda
that then gets inculcated and encrusted
in people's minds
but you go all the way back to like let's say ancient Rome
I love using ancient Rome as an example
because historically it's so unpointed
in so many ways
but you look at the rise of Augustus Caesar
so the first Caesar
the higher to Julius Caesar
this dude was so skilled
excuse me
had propaganda and he went ahead
and he had the
most highly respected poets
write publications
glorify him and he was like the savior of Rome
and in Rome they had a lot of
respect
and glorification of Greek culture
that had come before them
and so they actually went ahead
and they wrote
I think it was a visual
I can't remember specifically who the author was
but he wrote a publication
that was
very much similar to
the one that came from Greece
from Homer which was the Alir
and the guy I think his name was
Virgil actually if I recall correctly
he wrote something called the Alir
and in there it's very much
the same so it's this epic story
you can almost think of it as one of the
most revered films that are
now one of the most revered movies
and then he
actually made the lead character
Augustine
and in this way he used that associate
of memory and this is also why
if you go back to the past on the coinage
why do these
rulers always put themselves in the coinage
why everybody loves money baby
that's another way to target the associate
of memory
they also constantly associated themselves with the gods
part of being a Roman
emperor was you will
associate yourself with the gods this is something the Egyptians did as well
and why
because if they can I mean even today
we have a pope he does the same thing he's the divine
representative of God
what does Israel do oh we are the chosen people man
go read that book of it
and why do they do that because it targets
your associate of memory
and it pacifies your critical thinking
and so you are more likely to acquiesce
and conform and obey
and so this has been going on for just
forever man but it's been more refined
again specifically going back to like the turn
of the 19th century
that's when they really began to say okay we're gonna
take this and we're gonna turn it into science
I'll give you another really interesting character
man that is one of the proverbial architects
of this matrix which
I just don't really hear anybody talking
about which is Francis Bacon
Francis Bacon was in the political court
of the queen in England
and this dude and he was
just a leading thinker really really brilliant guy
some people will speculate that he is actually
the person behind Shakespeare's writing
he was a clever dude man
and this guy
apart from introducing a kind of
he was kind of like a lawyer also for the queen
this guy wrote a book
called
The New Atlantis
and this is a whole other rabbit hole so I don't want to get too deep
down this one but there's something that a lot
of the western establishment of Beisbar
which is known as Atlantisism
and in this book
he basically details
it's a fictional book but of course
as the expression goes
fiction is the truth
inside the lie
so people produce a fictional account
but they're actually trying to tell some kind of the truth
they're trying to illuminate something else
and in this publication he
talks about creating a shadow government
called Solomon's House
and it will be a technocratic society
and yes there will be traditional
governing authorities and the people will
adhere to what they say but these are
really figureheads
and there will be a scientific administration
of the population and it goes way beyond that
it's really it's like a blueprint
the royal society was inspired
by that book by this guy's work
so he's a big boy
and basically this is in modern history man
they took the ideas
that have gone on for centuries
and centuries and they just refined them
and specifically with the rise of the social sciences
I would say above
and beyond all else when they really began to say
okay we're going to insert this into the academic
curriculum of the leading
school institutions
and we're going to teach
social engineering
so if you look at let's say
somebody like Klaus Schwab
he was involved in public administration
like if you start to look at the rap sheets
of these people they come oftentimes
from a social science background
and social science just
you know it's a well-earned term
more often than not it means social engineering
and there's one other thing before I do
hand it back over
I felt like I didn't do it proper justice
to Matt's question and I just want to touch on it
very quickly I won't get hung up on it too much
but the significance of the little Albert experiment
is what they learned
is you can take something that somebody may even like
and then
through a fear
some kind of strong emotional fear
you can program them
by pairing the two together to now associate
that object
in his case the mouse and then you become fearful of it
so for those who do recall
I know this is way back in the day
for what happened with 9-11
well despite the fact that
the alleged
emphasis on alleged hijackers
are coming from Saudi Arabia
it was consistently
if you go back now
if people go back and look at the transcripts of the speeches of George W. Bush
and he's the little click
of clowns
if you look at their transcripts
they would
dozens and dozens of times
associate Iraq, Al Qaeda
and 9-11 why
because they are targeting your associate of memory
Trump administration does the same thing with immigration
you know
it's just a consistent theme
it's even let's say with this whole woke
shit right
how many of you have seriously encountered somebody
who's like oh you will call me by my pronouns
I'll fucking kill you
how many people have really encountered somebody like that
I myself have never
I've never brother
right but what happens
that shit's in your face 24-7
alright why
because this is going to emotionally trigger you
and it's going to target your associate of memory
and now all you have to do is go on twitter
and I still call it twitter because X is fucking
it's just such a silly name to me
and if you go on there
what happens
what do you see
you see fucking people talking about it as if everybody on the left
is promoting this shit
that's all of them then
no you have been brainwashed my dude
you have been targeted
with a highly evocative
that is something that targets your most primal
being
like this person is attacking me
right even when there's a supposed to be
a new segment
where two people are exchanging
in their views
conventionally what is it it's a fucking shouting match
because they are trying to have a trauma based mind control
we have mirror neurons
so I mean I don't want to get too hung up on it
but that's one of the methodologies they constantly
will pay a thing
so also with COVID-19
you guys may remember
this campdemy period
oh so you saying we should kill granny
what the fuck is wrong with you
why you triggered so much
we don't have to lock down people
and send half a billion people into poverty
and 130 million into starvation
and you know just very sensible things
in social isolation people are going to kill themselves
and have heart attacks and blah blah blah
because of the economic crisis
but that's all you do is you take something
that is highly emotionally triggering
you pair it with something else
and then through repetition
which is the most introductory method of mind control
you can go ahead
and control the population
yeah and you know I actually had
you know before I let Jason do his follow-up
I just wanted to pop in and mention
I actually had an experience with this
myself just
about a week ago
so I did an appearance on
Info Wars the War Room
with my friend Christon T. Harris
who was hosting that day
and he had me on talking about Venezuela
and you know of course I'm providing my foreign policy analysis
what the US government is lying about
what the actual motivations are
for intervention and regime change
and all that sort of stuff
and of course Info Wars has a notoriously
right-wing audience especially since
Jones started you know basically shilling out
for Donald Trump and you know abandoning
all of his previous principles
in favor of the right-wing grift
so I think Ben not to interrupt you
but I think that he was
covertly put on Trump's payroll
oh yeah oh I agree absolutely
but anyway so I was doing that show
and then afterwards
and because of course I talk about
colonialism and the pervasiveness
of imperialism in my foreign policy
analysis because that is an accurate
analysis of what's happening
I got
these people a couple of them in the comments
talking about oh this guy's
just a fat communist
he doesn't know what he's talking about
see and the first one
was like
oh this guy's a communist because he used the word
imperialism that's one of their favorite
words why is he even on the show
and so like it's their selective
programming of associating
criticism of empire
with communism
that has brainwashed them into that
section of
the dyadic
I just wanted to bring that up because
that was a real lived experience that I had
just like just a week ago and you were just talking
about the same thing yeah 100% man
I saw that Don
I saw that man I had to
leave a couple of choice tweets
the response to those people as well and
I got your back bro but
yeah great great shit
Gavin this is amazing conversation
this is you know exactly why
you've been on the podcast so many times
and I just want to plug
a podcast we did a couple weeks
ago with Jacob Johnson
from rise to liberty who
is really good on all this stuff the mind
control techniques we really got into
you know deep territory
they're talking about a lot of the different
techniques so if this is something that
interests you guys definitely listen to that
podcast as well but it does
seem like when you
talk about this stuff it really does highlight
that as much as things change the
playbook that the ruling class playbook
always stays the same you know and it
also at least for me kind of
highlights how deep
this technocratic agenda really
goes and how long it's been in swing
for I think it's much longer than
most people realize maybe including myself
but I know we are getting
low on time here I have a bit
of a white pill question of my own I
guess of course Matt has one
as well but I wanted to mention
here because I know you said something
about it Gavin that you had written a
publication entitled a history of
elitism world government and population control
I think it was February
of 2023 guys so check out
that publication that Gavin
has written I think he'll probably share
more about that at the end here but he also
did a podcast with us in April
of that year 2023
where we got into even more detail about a
lot of this stuff so definitely worth
listening definitely worth checking
out now seeing that you
had mentioned that you are creating a school
here and
it does feel like in many
ways today's social
media landscape is just
overwhelming right I mean there's
so many content creators
it's saturated with
quote influencers
organizations everybody's competing for our eyeballs
right and it's probably
more so than any time in history
it's the flavor of the
the weak news the personal branding
the self promotion
the politically charged rage bait
the signal to noise
ratio is pretty brutal right and
it's becoming harder and harder to really
find people that are not only
intelligent authentic but actually worth
learning from like people who actually
educate us and expand
our perspectives and offer something
deeper than just these hot take
dopamine hits but
I know you've invested thousands of hours
into these topics and I wanted
to ask how do we not become
these little albers right like how do we
help younger generations or anybody
really hungry to self educate
how do they navigate the digital chaos
and find quality
content that's actually worth their time
how do we separate all the noise
from the news and the real
research from the tiktok videos and
flavor of the week BS
for real knowledge and philosophy and
especially in the age of AI
so that's a fantastic question
and
the first thing that comes to my mind
just listening to you
provide that perspective and that
commentary and the insights
is worldwide ever since this game
period which was also a clear way to
migrate people online
very few people know it from the western
world but at that time I think around half
the world's population still wasn't online
but ever since then
massive numbers hundreds of millions
of more people and are coming online
in fact billions and this also
is now
giving the elitist class
two
really good
options and the first
is demographics that traditionally
were very difficult to get to
so people living off great
people that are living in more ancient cultures
now they're getting the internet
and unlike in the west where there's been
2, 3, 4 decades
for us to
watch it slowly develop
these people have now been
given a product
that is damn near artificial
intelligence on a level
that is you know corresponds to
an embodiment of a sentient being
and it's in the hands
of the enemy
like let's be unambiguous
let's not play this bullshit game
these people they know we are the enemy
that's why they target us for population control
that's why they have
all this bullshit
in the food and just so many methodologies
they employ so let's call
a spade a spade and the other thing that's
really good the second thing that they do is
before they did this massive digital
migration they ensure
that they got control of the internet
and now there's been this massive
facelift of what
actually represents
anti-establishment
and I don't know if you guys may recall
I actually spoke about this Jason
you know ages ago then when you put together
you and Derek put together that event
where I spoke about how the time we
living through corresponds
to the Protestant Reformation
and what was the Protestant Reformation
well the Roman Catholic Church that was the
predominant establishment of the time
under Pope Leo the 10th
he was from the powerful banking family
the Medici family
and they were doing all kinds of corrupt shit
and so here comes this guy Martin Luther
and Martin Luther says man you guys are corrupt as shit
it was my 95 thesis, 95 critiques of the paper seat
somehow it gets spread
right we don't actually know who spread it
but what we do know is it coincided with
the technological
innovation of the printing press
and so this resulted in rebellions
all around Europe it was wild
so this was one of the
biggest revolutions in modern history
but something that gets overlooked
and all of that is the Protestant Reformation
which comes from the word protest
to protest the Catholic Church
it was hijacked
by a new kind of establishment
it was a facelift
and so Martin Luther in a
move of extraordinary hypocrisy
went ahead and sided with the new establishment
and then this gave rise eventually to of course
pressure, the military power and
impression worked very closely with
the US and just
goes on and on and on
but the significance
is that there was something called
the radical reformation
that's been largely lost to the sense
of time of the Protestant Reformation
and you know who these dudes were
they were the people that was talking about
man we need just self-governance
we don't need new rulers
let's be autonomous
let's live off the land, why do we need a government
why do we have to do this
well a lot of them got assassinated
and if they didn't get assassinated their history got destroyed
and so we are living through a second kind
of a Protestant Reformation
but we had the opportunity
if we played very skillfully
and very cleverly
to create a new narrative and change things
but that's their goal
so that's what's going on
there's a massive hacking of the system
as Gilman Louis would probably say
and I think he's actually been an architect
behind some of that
they saw a system, they hacked it
which is to say you create a new reality
for people which is a lot of this
libertarian rhetoric
because if you actually look at the data
and a lot of the surveys
just prior to Donald Trump rising up
first of all we know that the biggest
political party
in the US was not
Democrats or Republicans, it was independence
people were sick of the bullshit
and guess what was happening with the libertarian
and it was rising
Peter Thiel, he's a libertarian
cool story bro
like your partner, he's a libertarian dude
cool story bro
Elon Musk man, he's hip
look at fucking Mark Zuckerberg
and so
sorry I went on a bit of a rant there
but
in relation to your particular question
there's not
an evenly distributed
moral responsibility
and what I mean by that is those who are aware
as the expression goes
those who have the privilege to know
have the duty to act
and so we are in a position gentlemen
where we are aware
and that puts us in a position where we have a moral
responsibility to try to take some positive action
because the rest of these populations
like the people that are living with great old children
they are not mentally
equipped to deal with this machine
this machine is a result
of thousands of years
of sophisticated social engineering
it's not to say that it's all bad but it's been
weaponized and yes it is
incredibly dangerous, I
like I said I've been in many cultures
and I'm young in the Philippines and there's lots of tribal
communities, you've seen two-year-olds, three-olds
unrestricted access to the internet
they've got their own phone, that's fucking insane
but they don't know
because nobody's informing them, nobody's educating them
and how do you educate them
when I was living up there in the mountain
with the tribes and stuff I'm trying to explain to them
listen man there's a wall in this little phone
that's bigger than the entire world you see out here
that's a difficult task
to undertake right
now the very good
thing in all of this is we're not alone guys
and what I mean by we're not alone
is something someone somehow
we were created
and I've very closely analyzed
the human blueprint
we have all the things we need
to be revolutionary
we are revolutionary beings
can you qualify there Gavin
we are innately curious which is
why this, why that
why is this guy a blue daddy
and all that shit
which is question everything
and then we are creative
wild imagination
what is the source of creativity
how do the Wright brothers build a plane
high school dropouts
well they didn't learn about this shit in school
they used their imagination
every creative innovation is from the imagination
so we're not alone in that particular regard
and I believe that what's going on in this world
it's a bit more spiritual
I suppose we can have that discussion another day
but we have a fail
safe inside of us for these times
we don't know the potential
of human beings
and every time they push us harder
we have to push deeper inside of ourselves
which means we have to tap into our resources
but for me the digital
category is essentially my answer to that question
how do we
provide people with something more meaningful
because you can do commentary
and you can
engage in analytics
which is to say you analyze what's going on
and it's absolutely imperative that is the good work
to take this and say you have a puzzle of the piece
some people spend their entire lives
analyzing one puzzle of the piece
but that fucking puzzle of the piece is instrumental
to the greater project
of disillusioning and subsequently
awakening humanity
but
we each need to recognize why am I here
what is my blueprint what can I offer
am I crazy fucking alive
coming from the gutter to where I am today
and all the struggling and this and that
and the studying and so on and so forth
it has put me
it has qualified me
it has given me the authority
to go ahead now
and import my knowledge and my insights
and the awareness and the truth
that will turn people into truth warriors
and will equip them
to protect themselves and defend themselves
against this onslaught of deception
because what people really need
is they need awareness
they need knowledge they need truth
but that has to start with just
introductory foundational mechanism
if you provide commentaries
it's analogous in corresponds to
if you give a man a fish
he will eat for a day but if you teach
a man to fish
he will be able to feed himself
and many others for the rest of his life
absolutely brother and you know I just
wanted to you know pop in
and just to make one mention of thing
right before Matt wraps things up
because you were talking about the ways
in which the Protestant Reformation
and subsequent movements were used
to sort of socially engineer
and psychologically control people
and I just thought it was worth pointing out
just a few days ago actually
on November 28th we published this piece
on freethoughtproject.com
that was something that
completely blew my mind that I had
nothing you know no idea about
that just happened to randomly find this
information in this author that wrote about it
the article is called
revealed the CIA's Pentecostal Cyop
in Latin America to crush liberation
theology which basically
the author goes into discussing
and then providing a bunch of sources
to corroborate
basically what was happening
like right around the time of the Cold War
in Central and Latin America
was that Catholicism
was developing in these small
communities of what was essentially being
called liberation theology is
essentially it's a type of Catholicism
that was helping people to realize
like you don't need US structure
intervening in Central America
that you know
sort of a spiritual empowerment
toward their own self-determination
to take back Latin America from the colonial powers
and because this started to be
such a problem for
the western powers and the corporate
Wall Street structure and the CIA
basically what they did was that the CIA
infiltrated a whole bunch of these
what do you call them
these Presbyterian and Pentecostal
spiritual movements
and mission groups and whatnot
and used them basically
as a launch pad to push
like Pentecostal
theology in Central and Latin America
as a way of combating that liberation
theology and making
the people of Central
and Latin America more subservient
to a western colonial dominated
governmental structure
and I just thought that was
super fascinating and relevant to what you were talking about
100% brother and
you know this shit is ubiquitous man
we didn't even get a chance to actually
jump into this so called new cold war
and going back to
what Jason was telling people to look
into the publication I wrote for the free thought project
or a truncated version
I addressed how what's going on now
this so called cold war
is very similar to the first one and what happened
with the first one people don't know
but it was very much manufactured
you know you got people members of the council
were funding both sides and they were doing it strategically
because of one of the things you're mentioning now
which is
there's been a continuation
people don't like the word colonialism
because we've also been very much associated with
bad white man but it's more
complex than that right
again this is an elitist enterprise
and historically when the common
people of let's say a western
nation you can look at the opium wars
let's say what was going on there when the UK
the common people became aware what was going on
what did they do they protested the government
just like people protested
the Iraq invasion
governments don't give a shit they do what they want
so why is it that when history gets written
it has to be branded on the entire people
so people that's why they get defensive
and the good thing is you know you must never take a person
they don't know who you are
and they unfortunately don't know why they're so reactive
but about the whole colonialism thing
and imperialism
this is really fascinating man
but the creation of the League of Nations
which was the predecessor to the UN
and the creation of the UN were both
specifically designed at the highest levels
for that purpose
for neo-colonialism believe it or not
it's fucking wild man so
it's what fundamentally
goes on even as talking about
with Peter Thiel and
Gilman Louis I know Jason you've
done some good work on that
and you also had that great podcast
with Barry Brown which we recommend people check
that one out too
you have this facelift going on
and what I see historically man
it's just a constant rebranding
just over and over and over
and it's like a reciprocal
relationship in a toxic way
so you have the immune system of humanity
and then you have this parasitical
invasive elitism
and then they're learning from each other and they try to adapt
and one tries to up the other
but hopefully one day we can maybe even
address that because that is one hell
of a rabbit hole
absolutely man quite like this show was
I just realized that an hour
flew by already man
like they always do every time you've come on this podcast
man because your replies
are just they're
interesting as fuck dude
it's just I'm like I'm just listening
on edge you know and yeah
I know that you know this
the elite's use of
psychological warfare you know
this constant Hegelian dialectic
the fear the division
it certainly can seem incredibly bleak
you know like but
you know Jason's point earlier
calling you a human encyclopedia
he's right dude
you started at like in the
1900s and you jumped all the way back to the Roman
Empire and you covered everything in between
dude your dedication and
ability to recall this information
just so candidly
is incredible dude
I mean and that's an understatement
you know you really are an inspiration to me
and so many others dude and it's
likewise man likewise
oh yeah for sure man but I mean it really
is an honor to work alongside with you and
and now that we are doing that you know like
Jason mentioned the beginning of the show you're making
the videos for the podcast and
it's really cool to be able to deal like talk with
you daily man and or almost like
that you know almost daily
it's great dude and I really
appreciate it so
you know before we go like we do like
to end on a white pill but the kind of subject matter
that we started already Jason already asked
a white pill but I think this subject matter
might deserve two of them so
we're going to do a second one for
this podcast man
so I know like the key
to fighting the psychological warfare
is to equip the mind with
truth and tools you know
we can't accept selling out
we have to fight back with knowledge
and like you said we have to create our
own narrative or our new reality
and let people accept this
and you're launching something truly
special to help people do exactly that right
it's called the truth warrior academy
and I think you mentioned that the first
course was the was called
decoding the truth so like for those
who feel like the sense of deep hopelessness
or maybe they're on the verge
of being blackpilled or something after they see
the breakdown and the sheer scale
the system like how would
the truth warrior academy and
and this new course be like the
definitive move like the place
where people can go today to regain their
agency and equip themselves
to fight back against the psychological
architecture of control
first off man thank you so much for the kind
words I've got as you know I've said
repeatedly yeah I've got the greatest reverence
for you guys man you guys are the real deal
you've been doing for such a long time
yeah honestly
I've also learned a lot from
all of you by the way you know
through your articles and doing the podcast
that's one of the great benefits of actually
editing those one-minute reels
is I have to
digest what's being said and so
I'll rewind it and I'll listen again and I'll listen
again and so I've actually learned new shit
that I didn't know before so I appreciate that
and it's reciprocated right back at you
man but in terms of
how can this contribute towards
people so
a little bit from our own personal story man
is
way way way back in the day
I had and I think
you may have too much I might be
forgive me for maybe putting
words in your mouth or piece
the puzzle together incorrectly
but when I was young
I had horrible PTSD man
I had crippling anxiety
and it's I had
a crazy childhood I come from a really
crazy background but one story short
I got to a place in a position
mentally well I said fuck man
I can't I don't want to live
anymore and I had suicidal
thoughts now I wasn't suicidal
because back then
I had a Christian perception of the world
which put me in the horrible
position where I was like fuck if I kill myself
then I'm going to suffer even more man
I'm going to just burn forever
so I said shit
this is a lose lose situation
either I can endure this shit until maybe
a bus hits me or something
and then I can at least
go to heaven get my ticket to heaven
and then as time went on
I did something really radical
which I had never done before
I was one of those people back in the day
who I only read the Bible
I don't need to read any other book
all the answers are in the Bible
and so the first publication I ever
wrote and I mind you I'm the
I come from a very strict kind of a background
I kicked out of high school always
in trouble unfortunately
the system indoctrinated me
when I was young to view
and associate
reading and school
and education with bullshit
man I don't need that shit I'm street smart
but I would read the Bible man
all the answers in there
and so the first book I ever read was
the Bible front to back when I was 15
and I actually could understand it
it's very ambiguous though
which is a red flag for all the people who study truth out there
truth is unambiguous
not to knock on your religion
part of in fact the digital school is
to help people understand you can have
your religion I'm not saying that you have to
throw that away but that is
the water or the soil
for your roots your roots are
deeper use something else
what you are proceeds man
made religion and anyways
for my own personal story I got to the point where
like man shit I'm
I quite a little like this anymore and then
I was self-medicating at the time I was
an alcoholic and shit I just got
in so much trouble getting arrested
getting in fights
and I said something's got to change
so I did this radical and crazy thing
that I would never do before
I started reading other books
and that was the game changer for me
I read this book entitled the brain that
changes itself I read it around I think like
2010 or 11 I quite remember
when it came out
and this was a book about neuroscience
and I got very lucky man
if there is such a thing in this
particular scenario
and this book basically illuminated how
the mind works and it said
what you think
essentially what's going on in your mind
you can't really distinguish
biologically and unconsciously
you can't really distinguish that this is not
real and so for me I was
living in a war zone on a daily basis
I would go into
a store to get my alcohol
to self-medicate and try to get through the day
and I'm playing at this elaborate fight scene
this John Wick fight scene with people
at the gas station
and so
I was living in hellish conditions
internally man
and then I started to read
and I started to mentally
emancipate myself
and it was a game changer and then
over time I had this fundamental
realization
that choice
is a product of awareness
and an awareness that is
accurately aligned with objective
reality
is the truth
and so the truth really
does set you free
it will emancipate you
because it will give you new options and new
insights and then over time
I found that this is not just me
this is a
consistent thing throughout history
if you read Frederick Douglass in his autobiography
he talks about when he first
started to become disillusioned he was a little kid
and then he
started to read and he was learning
but then
and this goes back to my
experience personally as well too
he started to realize there's actually
a system that's trying to keep me
ignorant and not just ignorant I used to think
that ignorance was the root cause of the problems
of the world it's not
unawarness is not the problem
the problem is that people
are delusional and what
is delusion? delusion is
a false belief about objective reality
because I make people you make
people aware all the time right with Israel
what did I do I put a testimony
of over 50 soldiers
that have their feet on the ground saying what's really going on there
so people are aware but they still don't
want to believe it because they are deluded
and so there's a system
that actually wants to keep us delusional
and so Frederick Douglass man he writes
in this publication how he was
learning to read
the mistress of his master
started to teach him and she was so excited
man she went ahead and she told
the master the so called
master look I
can show him how to read he was like 12 years old
maybe younger I think he was actually younger
and the master said what
the fuck are you doing
he said don't you know
that giving
this boy knowledge will
unfit him to be a slave
he said he needs to be kept
ignorant the entire
system depends on it
and Frederick Douglass writes that this was
the game changing moment in his life
epictetus used to
write about something similar
so you've heard obviously
of stoicism
he would write about the senatorial class
where the senatorial class would say
the only people who are allowed to be educated
are free people so the slave class
because he was a slave they're not allowed to be educated
and then he said
please tell me senators
if the philosophers the great philosophers
say that only the educated
are the ones that are truly free only the ones
with truth are truly free then why is it that you
saying that only the free should be the educated
and so for me fundamentally
that's what it comes down to the micro
can be applied to the macro if we
are given knowledge and truth
if we are provided with authentic
guidance
the natural blueprint that we've been gifted with
will come alive on its own the problems
will solve themselves because
guess what boys and girls irrespective of the
bullshit that you see online
and on tv most human beings
are decent enough
so if they are given the truth
rather than these fragmented
perceptions
then they can start to contribute
and create positive change first and foremost
in their own lives like we asking people
you know you need to contribute I've been
asking myself of that but you know the first
thing you need to do is help yourself out
that's the first place to actually start
because you are the roots
from which the tree that gives the shade
that gives the fruit to your family
and your friends and your closest
community and so that becomes
a revolutionary act
and so for me what I'm doing with this
digital course and this digital class
is I'm just taking my life experience
which I have now clearly complemented
with book smarts
and I'm going to do what I am here to do
what my purpose is
which is to empower my fellow human beings
and part of that school it's going to be
very broad in scope man yes
the introductory part is to just help people
understand what is truth
because I'm somebody I study semantics
what is semantics what is the deeper meaning
of words how can you communicate on a deeper
level because the language
you had a great podcast with that other dude
where he was talking about telepathy
telepathy might be a more refined
form of communication people forget that
what we are talking right now it is learned
it's created and like George Carlin said
language by and large is used to conceal
the truth and that is exactly
what the elitist class does
so the first place
we need to start is helping people
decode what is truth because really
now how many people have sat down
and fundamentally resolved
that question what is it really everybody
say oh the truth is the truth is that
but can you give me a proper
semantically precise definition of what
that truly is very few people
can and so once people can perceive
through an accurate proverbial lens
right if you're looking at the world
you need to have the correct
eye lens otherwise
everything is distorted you cannot take
positive action because you are deluded
or ignorant or whatever it may be
so that's the first course but it's going to go far beyond
that and also explore
human principles
and then go far beyond that as well and study
who is the enemy and their nature because
they understand us very well but it's time for us to know
the enemy too so without me
going on and on because I know we need to wrap it up
my apologies on a little bit of rant there
at the end of the day
it really does start
with helping people
to become the best version of themselves
absolutely man that was
quite profound and it sounds like
this is a very exciting
venture that you're undertaking here man I can't
wait to see it unfold and full disclosure
Gavin didn't pay us to do this at all
like we love Gavin
and like this is
this is something that I think is going to
be highly beneficial which is why we're talking
about it you know like this is
we're not doing like a book promotion or anything like that
this is solutions that we talk about on this
show and that's what we're doing right now
man Gavin thank you so much for coming on dude
it was really awesome again
number eight I love it dude
before we sign off
finally tell everybody where they can
find and support your work brother
so I've been definitely
definitely excuse me silent
on social media my sincerest
apologies but we also have to be realistic
irrespective of
what may be going on
the thing we first have to tend to is our own
personal flock and so I've been taking care of
my son and things have been relatively
chaotic in my own personal life as you guys know
but Patreon
is the best place for now
this podcast is actually going to inspire me to
start getting a bit more active
my plan was to go ahead and get
the digital course up and running
by now I've been working on it for a long time
we've been talking about it for quite some time
but it is close and I want to be very meticulous about it
because
this is not something that can be done half heartedly
or three quarters heartedly
it has to be exceptional you know and I appreciate
you guys also giving me the opportunity to talk
about it and to
kind of plug it because I
it's something that I'm passionate about man
and I feel like it provides
a palpable solution you know so
Patreon is probably the best place where people
can find me for now and also support my work
for just as little as a dollar and everything
really does
and you know just to give you
just a quick little bit more of a
shout out I you know you're
the
the course that you're working on sounds like it would be such a great
addition to James Corbett's
solution watch that he does and I know
that he listens to the show he's told us before
that he listens to pretty much every podcast
of James if you're listening please get Gavin
on to talk about this more
I love James man and if I could just
compliment that it is one person
from a political analytics
perspective that I could refer
people to it's him that dude is
incredible
Gavin just really quick can you tell people also
where they could find your publication
history of elitism world government and population control
because I know I mentioned that earlier
yes they can find it in the devil's digital
layer of Amazon.com
because I run it
yeah I mean I have no idea
why but every other publication
dropped it. Yes a truncated
version is on the free thought project
the added benefit of actually
buying it so pretty much the whole thing
is virtually on the free thought project but the added
benefits for those who are like really deep
researchers is there's an added
section at the very end
where I do biographies on like
all of the scientists
that were involved in the MK Ultra
programs and a lot of other things
I talk about the authors that are cited
and if you take the time
that seems kind of inconsequential
but there's so much
deep dive knowledge in that ending section
but they can find it on
the digital devil's layer of Amazon
the link to the
to being able to buy the book is in the
article on the free thought project so we'll have
everything linked down there at below the podcast
thank you for also giving me the opportunity
to just talk about
this digital academy and the digital
school and also appreciate
just the platform and I actually
I don't know was eight fucking times that's a while
and above and beyond all else
keep doing your thing
I know that you are primary targets in
psychological warfare always
be mindful and remind yourself of that and then
make time for balance
hell yeah brother Gavin thank you so much
for coming on man this was an amazing
podcast as always thank you
Gavin thank you my dude
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