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Once again, we've got another solid show ahead with another first-time guest joining us today.
Today's guest is someone we've been following here at TFTP for some time.
I would say probably at least a decade, but when, you know, a former law enforcement blows the whistle,
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So I am very much looking forward to hearing his interpretation on where policing is, where it's going,
and how we can begin to move in the right direction and find some positive solutions.
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All right, I'll go ahead and get into the intro here.
Our guest today is a retired Illinois police officer.
He's a use of force instructor and a media personality known for his outspoken commentary on policing, corruption, and politics.
He hosts the branch of Izzo and Cop Talk Live, and we're certainly excited to have him on the show joining us.
So, Mr. Dominic Izzo, thanks for joining us and welcome to the Freethought Project podcast.
Chance, it's been about a decade. Thanks for having me.
Yeah, no kidding, man. I'm surprised we haven't done this before.
But, you know, as I mentioned, you know, we've been kind of allies over this past decade, which, you know, is I guess kind of an unlikely pairing.
And Matt and myself have been in the police accountability arena, you know, since, what, 2012? Matt, somewhere around there.
Documented police violence, police must conduct, abuse of authority, all on the Freethought Project for, yeah, jeez, I don't know, 13 years, somewhere around there.
So we are certainly excited to have you join us, even though our backgrounds do differ.
But I think our focus and goal is the same.
In fact, you know, Matt isn't feeling very well today. He's sick with the cold.
But we didn't want to miss this opportunity because we're confident this will find some common ground and, you know, definitely be valuable to our audience who I think is just as aware and likely just as exhausted by the endless stories of police violence.
So, yeah, I should also mention, you know, I've supported your work. I think Matt has as well. We've been sharing your videos.
I remember even quoting you in some memes we've made over the years.
So I think we both see the numerous problems embedded in the institution of law enforcement and, yeah, getting into that, dissecting those topics today.
I'm looking forward to it. But first, I thought maybe a good place to start might be your origin story.
Like, you know, what drew you to policing? What did you see that made you want to, you know, blow the whistle and quit?
And how did you decide to become a local critic of law enforcement around the country?
And of course, we don't have to get like super deep into this, but I do think our audience would appreciate hearing your background.
Well, I'll attribute to you guys. You guys are responsible for actually the criticism.
Cop? I'm not going to lie. I became a cop in 2001 because I wanted a steady profession.
I was a nightclub bartender at the time working at a 4 a.m. bartender.
And we used to have a bunch of cops coming to the bar we're at and they're all like, oh, you'd make a great cop.
You'd make a great cop. I was like, oh, okay, I'll go test.
So literally, I'm an anomaly from the day I dropped off my first application.
So the time I got hired was four weeks first try.
And I kept hearing these horror stories of guys saying, you know, it's going to take you nine times, 10 times a test.
I've been tested for 10 years or whatever.
So when I got that job, I'm like, I'm going to take it.
I didn't go in with the mindset of, oh, I want to help my community and I want to, you know, put the bad guys in jail.
No, I literally, I wanted a profession.
And at the time I kind of went in as an idealist to a degree thinking that of all professions,
law enforcement has to be something with honor and integrity.
And I learned very quickly that it's no, it's political and it's a business.
I learned very quickly on that it's revenue generation.
Somebody sent me and I remember exactly where I was at the time.
I was actually in the police department bathroom, you know, using the bathroom and somebody back then we didn't have smart phones.
So you would get somebody sending you an email, they would send you a printout, right?
So I got a five page email printout of the breakdowns of what law enforcement is like.
And this was year three for me at the time.
And it says, you know, between years one and one and three, you're a hard charger, you go getting, you know, you're knocking down all the cars.
Everybody's got drugs on the snap.
By three years, three and five, you start questioning, you know, you slow down, what am I doing?
Between five and eight, you start rethinking your career.
And I'm like, that's kind of where I'm at right now.
It's kind of accurate.
And I have a massive issue with pride.
It is, maybe it's short man's disease.
I'm five foot seven and I have an extremely large ego.
But I do not like injustice in any way, shape or form.
Every job I've ever had when something is wrong, I'll take it all the way up to corporate.
Hey, you're not paying these guys what you should be.
And you know, you're not doing this and this and I'm just a little peon in an organization.
But that's how it always was when I saw the things in law enforcement with my first department of things I didn't agree with.
I was like, what are we doing here?
You know, and specifically it was an off-duty police officer from a town over, was in our town drinking at a bar and our village clerk,
one of our village trustee or whatever got in his face and he politely pushed her back.
And next thing you know, she's leveraging 911, screaming for us to arrest him,
find out he's an off-duty cop and we call our sergeant and it turned into the biggest investigation on the planet.
All this man did was want to get this woman away from his face.
So he put his hands on her and just pushed her back slightly, very gently.
And I looked, I went, oh my God, this is not, this is, I'm not a political hired gun.
And I didn't like what I saw on that level.
It was the first time ever I'd seen politics and how we were used.
And so I started shooting my mouth off of the department and it got to the point where I went screw this.
If I'm going to be part of an organization, I'm going to go back to working in a bar.
I'm going to open a gym.
So I left for a little while, but when I came back into law enforcement six months later,
I started to look at what the job meant and it took on a completely different shape for me.
It like those six months where I was away from the job, I looked at it as when I went back,
I went back into money, right?
So when I went to be a cop, I was 26 years old and I was making 80 grand a year as a bartender working four or five hours a night.
Then I dropped down to $36,000 a year working 40 hours a week.
When I went back into the bar industry and made all that money, it just changed my perspective to where then when I went back to the same area that I worked at before
and I saw people who were making, you know, like average median household was like 32 grand a year.
I started going, oh, I have it better than so many people here.
I do work for these people.
I started to see what people had said for the first five years when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I didn't understand that.
And I started to go, hey, you know what?
I already got my cannabis arrests.
Is this really this effin plant?
Is this really something I want to ruin somebody's life over?
So, you know, you get, and then you get your performance evaluations that you're not doing this and how many car searches you're doing.
And I regretted my first interview with my police department because when I gave the phone in answer, I want to help my community.
I think I could be valued here.
I would have changed that answer.
And when people call me now and they go, you know, hey, I'm interviewing for being a cop.
You know, I'm testing.
I go, why do you want to be a cop?
They all say the same thing.
Well, I want to help my community.
And this thing I go help your community by pulling people over.
Do you know what I'm taking?
Does that help with them?
Do you know that?
It's like, what do you think you're doing?
I said, no, I said, what has to change is why you want to be a cop.
And it hit me in the second time in my profession that for me, this was specifically for me and it makes a lot of people cringe when I say this.
The job of the American police officer afforded me the opportunity to be the single best version of myself every day of the week.
And I noticed it.
It didn't matter if it was a shots fired call, stabbing calls, or, hey, my neighbor is letting their tree grow over into my yard.
It doesn't matter what it is.
My job is to show up and solve your problem.
And every time I rolled my eyes because somebody said, hey, I'm missing a UPS package.
Hey, these kids are cutting across my lawn.
Hey, my daughter won't come home.
And I'm like not taking it seriously because as a cop, I'm only supposed to be focusing on the shots fired and the snap and the gang issues.
That's disrespecting the job.
And it's disrespecting what I'm being paid to do and that both I swore to.
So I tell people now, unless your answer is you want this job because it is the single greatest opportunity for you to show up at your best every single day as a human being to contribute to society.
Don't do the job.
So you've been advancing on where you guys came in was that ego and that pride factor got me in hot water with my last apartment when I found out that our body cameras were recording as 24 seven.
And I never I had a choice.
Say nothing.
Oh, look, there's me urinating on body camera.
Oh, look, there's our only female cop changing her tampon on camera.
And even though I can't stand her.
But you know what?
I'm union president.
I got to say something.
We filed a federal lawsuit.
Of course, our department claims ain't nothing about it.
Eight months into the investigation, they fired me for disseminating department property without express permission chief of police.
They got me on a department policy violation for for texting a photo of a dead woman from a blood out from a ruptured upper GI.
And then a guy we found in a heroin overdosing closet and I texted them to a person a friend of mine.
So this is what I'm working on today.
So she said, I got you.
I get me took me three years, but I got fully reinstated and cleared and I was reinstated.
Then I retired the next day.
But during that time, I kind of ran across you guys.
Now, I don't know if you are a war back then associated with police, the police, but police, the police on Facebook did an article on me that pissed me off.
Where they did this.
That was us.
But it was a slap in the face to me because I had already been slapped in the face by my department.
I couldn't believe that that blue brotherhood doesn't exist.
I mean, the chief was my father figure and the man did what he did to me and all this stuff.
And all of the guys I worked with, hey, we need you to write a letter of no confidence.
The chief, all right, I'm going to write it.
Well, we can't sign it.
We can't sign it.
But at the time, I was very big into an idealist.
I wanted to change the world.
Right here I am.
I'm a cop.
You know, I took pride in the looking the best of my uniform, being fit, knowing the Constitution, coming to work, solving problems.
And I did a post that I said I want to die today.
That was the post I did.
I was thinking on Facebook at the time and I wrote this big diatribe about how I want myself, my current self to die.
And I want to want to become more.
Next thing you know, I got police to police with a picture of me holding an AR is saying that this psychopath wants to die today and blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, that's not what I did.
I don't know if that was us, man.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but we were police to police are still our police to police.
But I don't remember.
I don't remember that particular.
It was back then.
But it didn't.
It bothered me because it was my first taste of, well, anybody's going to take what you want.
Interpret for their needs.
Fast forward a little bit when you guys contacted me when I went through what I went through.
The reason I kind of stopped in my tracks is because after that article, I was kind of like in nonstop defense mode.
Police could do no wrong.
Police are not racist.
Police are not this.
Police are not that credit.
Yes, I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass.
But when you guys reached out to me, it wasn't confrontational.
It was not accusatory.
It was fair.
And when you interviewed for the articles that you did and I read them, I went, they manipulated nothing.
They twisted not one of my words.
That kind of made me realize, wait a second.
Okay.
Who's the real problem here now?
Is it the blue line warriors who they'll die on the hill of we could do no wrong.
And we all got to have each other's backs.
I got your six of snap.
Or is it the people who are criticizing law enforcement?
Yeah, they can hate the police.
It's a constitutional First Amendment right, but they legitimately want accountability.
And I started to go, why am I fearing this word accountability so much?
Wouldn't that coincide better with me living up to that?
I want to bring the best version of myself every day.
So it was right around that time, 10 years ago when it was because I had seen that my side betrayed me.
But the quote enemy, which was supposed to be you guys just wanted me to back up what I was saying and be the man that I was saying in the cop I was saying.
So it was like, it was that kind of pivotal moment where I went, oh, we legitimately do have a problem in law enforcement.
That's awesome, dude.
I remember interviewing you 10 years ago and we never covered that.
And that's awesome that you would say that and remember it that way.
Yeah.
And while you were speaking, I had to go to the website and I was Googling everything about Dominic Izzo and everything that we've ever done seems pretty cool.
I'm not sure.
I'm going through my main folder right now.
Yeah.
I mean anyway, like, you know, when we first sat down with you 10 years ago, you were blowing the whistle on George Falenco, I believe.
Yeah.
And like highlighting a much larger systemic rot of what was going on.
And it was amazing to be able to talk to you back then where you were the police union president, right?
Yes.
And how you were talking about these things like how the drug war is like a pretext for just revenue generation.
And to hear that being said by a police officer was like profound back then.
And you know, since then we've watched that that local rot that you had experienced in Round Lake, you know, scale into a national epidemic with the 1033 program.
And like where it's been this militarized army that's been created in this country to go after people with a plant, you know.
Oh, I did it.
We did it.
My first, my friend, and I want to back up, if it wasn't you guys, then it was cop block on Facebook.
So it was one of.
Yeah, it could have been cop block.
We also work with them and they had some kind of some unhinged people on there.
I did it.
I talked about, I wrote a book called Before the Badge, Everything You Need to Know Before
Come a Cop, Shameless Plug.
And in there, I tell a story about how I don't have regrets per se, but I do have things.
And that's a pride issue, right?
Because I'm not going to admit I have regrets.
But I look back at and I ask myself this a lot.
It's like, okay, in the name of enforcing the law, how many lives did you ruin?
And then I have to sit there and say, well, was there a choice, you know, X, Y and Z?
You know, I was getting paid.
And the role of the American police officer is supposed to be to keep the peace and maintain order in a free society, to keep the peace and maintain order free society.
And I'll ask myself, does that apply on the 911 assist rescue call that I went on where it was medical subject, trouble breathing wasn't feeling well.
And back then we had to go and support rescue when they went to any call whatsoever.
And it was for a multitude of different reasons.
The reason we told the public was always that, well, when we come in, we have to make sure rescue doesn't need us to, you know, keep them protected.
From anybody, you know, big German shepherds, or maybe if they're taking somebody out of Gurney, we will pick up their equipment and carry it out.
When in actuality, what it was is we're looking for plain view crap.
And we're collecting IDs all the time, right?
Hey, man, I know you call for your dad.
Do you have your ID so I can write in my report, please?
We're always collecting information.
And I remember it was 10 to 10 o'clock at night, 11 o'clock at night.
This guy has suffering from cancer.
He's in his barca lounge or in his chair.
And I back up to a door and I look under my feet and there's a fluorescent glow coming from the door crack.
And there's a cord coming from it.
So my justification was, hey, got to make sure there's nobody behind me going to jump out behind me.
So I cracked the door open.
I look in and there's a pot plant.
All right, got to go punch a number, write a report, get a warrant.
And I look at myself and I'm like, who were you?
You couldn't just shut the door and walk away guys dying of cancer and let that effin pot plant grow.
So I have moments like that where I want, yeah, you want the number, you want the stat, you want the felony.
But ultimately speaking, you know, 10 years later, what does that do for my character as a human being?
So I have moments like that where I question myself.
Well, it's amazing that you've come full circle and are able to reflect on that, man.
I went down a similar path when I was in the Marine Corps and I was basically a gun for the state
and I would have killed anybody that they pointed me at and up to including women and children, you know,
like we sang cadences about that, you know, and it took me a long time to break free from that.
And I was, you know, at first I like I violently resisted it and I was like, there's no way that all these people, you know, like the military is 100% right.
You know, we should be bombing these people. They're bad people, you know,
and when you see like children and being blown up and over and over again and like somehow something got unblocked in my mind
and I guess the same thing happened to you.
And I was like, holy shit, this is, I'm the bad guy now, you know, this is not, this is not what we're supposed to be doing.
This doesn't help anybody.
That's the same thing goes for arresting people for a plant or stealing their money through civil asset foriture
because it smelled like a fucking plant, right?
Despite the fact that 90% of currency in the country has drugs on it.
They use that all the time.
But like this article I wrote is that there are no evil people.
People aren't doing things because they think they're evil.
They're just ignorant and they're, they think they're doing good.
You know, the people are like you, you thought like, hey, this guy has a pot plant.
I'm taught that this is good to stop people from doing pot because and I was taught that it's good to press people in foreign lands
because we're trying to spread freedom and democracy.
Like that's just, that's the nature of the state and how it makes people think like that.
And so, you know, given that we have this entire environment right now where police officers across the country are being brought up in this,
you notice, and you've been able to see through the veil.
I've been able to see through the veil.
How does a cop actually remain good?
And like air quotes good in a system that creates these like these perverse unethical incentives that they see as actually doing good.
Yeah, that's subjective, right?
It's like, I felt guilty for years.
I was at one, one year I was a DUI hound.
I, and this is just me.
It's my personal view.
It's extremely polarizing.
I don't believe that it with today's day and age with Uber and taxi cabs, phone calls to your parents and, you know, even the cops.
I believe that if you drive drunk, you have no purpose on this planet at all.
It is one of my biggest things.
My last DUI arrest was a cop.
I have, I have even people in my family have drove and drunk and gotten DUIs and they know I have seething contempt for it.
I've seen too many people killed from it, all this stuff.
I know the government could fix this tomorrow with, I don't give a shit.
You make a steering wheel that will monitor the sweat glands in your hands from how much alcohol you have in your system.
But I was a big DUI whore back then.
And I wrote nine DUIs for cannabis because I was trying to get recognized by the state, right?
You get a ton of DUIs, but I also knew my DUIs have to be righteous.
Now, I'm not going to be one of those guys that I saw you swerving.
You know, I needed the righteous probable cause.
I needed the right field sobriety test.
You blow your fuse to snap, but with cannabis back then, it was easier.
Cannabis, it was, I'd walk up to a car.
You pull the car over for failure, turn signal, whatever equipment violation you walk up in.
You have the odor of burnt or fresh cannabis, which back then was probable cause for research.
But I took it a step further.
I would go, Hey, and coming back from like the sales industry and the bar industry, I could talk to anybody.
Hey, man, you just smoke weed in the car.
Well, no, I just smoked about an hour ago.
Okay, that's it.
No field sobriety, nothing.
I need you to step out of the car, please.
You're under arrest for DUI because the way the state law was written is any amount of drugs in your system.
Well, when you admit to me, you smoked an hour ago.
It's literally in your system.
I got to take you for a blood draw if you consent to all this shit.
And for years, for years, I felt so guilty because in my opinion, alcohol is about 100,000 times worse than cannabis.
And I went, man, how many lives did I really ruin by giving people DUIs until recently?
Last, I turned 50 last March and my wife gave me a gummy and I was like, I'll do one.
Oh my God, the floor pinned me down for four hours.
But it was like, and in that moment I went, okay, no, I could not operate a pencil.
So maybe I made the right decision, but it's all based on your subjective morality at the time.
I know people who like, I respect the guys who there's no ambiguity in what they do and they would write their own mother a ticket.
I respect that because you're remaining consistent.
Yes.
I recognized there was a problem.
This was around the same time that we were doing, you guys are doing articles on me.
I had a Facebook page that had 100,000 followers and I was Officer Dominic Izzo.
And one day for just jokes, I put up online.
I said, how many of you in law enforcement base the issuance of your traffic citation on a driver on their words or attitude?
I could not believe there were hundreds of comments and then defending the comments.
Absolutely.
It's my job to correct their behavior.
Absolutely.
If you can't be professional with me or rude with me, you're getting a ticket to this day.
If anybody ever wants to see how stupid and uneducated our cops are, ask them that question.
Do you base your discretion on the words unless somebody said, yeah, I was speeding, but more along the attitude of the driver, the amount of cops who will admit to that blows me away.
And I started to look at, wait a second, our job as police is to keep the peace and maintain order-free society.
So right around that time too, I started was communicating with Sheriff Richard Mack, who I think he's still the president of the Constitutional Sheriff's and Peace Officers Association.
And I started to look at the concept of excessive fines.
And I went, wait a second, I pull you over for speeding doing 50 and a 35.
And I write you a ticket.
You got to go to court.
You got to take the day off work.
You're going to lose a paycheck.
The court's probably going to, even if they submit, you got to pay court costs or whatever, or plus fines.
Doesn't that fit the definition of excessive fines versus me pulling you over and going, hey, I'm Officer Hizo with the so-and-so police department.
You have got an insanely heavy foot.
Could you do me a favor?
I need your license and insurance.
I'm going to write your written warning.
I don't care.
Throw it out the window in the next town over.
Just don't litter in mine.
It's not going to cost on your record at all.
Just slow down.
Didn't I do the effective same behavior change by addressing the issue?
What the hell is a ticket going to do?
So I really, I really started to go through a serious change where not everybody needed to be arrested for stuff.
And my department really hated it.
I literally cost them a lot of money because admin fees and toll fees were now a thing of the past.
I go down from 40 DUIs in one year to literally pulling over one car and issuing a ticket in six months.
They were really pissed at me.
But it comes back to what are your morals?
What are your beliefs?
And if you believe that the guy who's got a suspended driver's license for emissions, not for moving violation.
He doesn't have three speeders.
He's got a frigging emissions violation.
His driver's license and vehicle are suspended.
He's got three kids at home.
Got to go back and forth to work.
If you believe that towing his car, which he'll never get out because he can't even afford to pay the toll fee, the admin fee, and then it's going to be compounded every day.
If you believe sending that guy to court towing his car and giving him a suspended driver's license ticket, which is probably going to have his license revoked.
If you believe that's the right thing to do, you and I are not on the same page.
And if it's based on his attitude, you and I are even more not on the same page.
Right.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well, if only other officers kind of had that type of compassion.
And I think that's a big part that seems like is the disconnect with the American public and law enforcement.
And I really actually wanted, this is one of the topics I wanted to get into specifically about police culture and us versus them kind of mentality.
But you did bring something up there, though, that kind of propels me into another question that seemed like it might even fit better.
You mentioned a steering wheel that could potentially measure your blood alcohol level or something like that.
I feel like that kind of goes hand in hand with that new kill switch bill that was kind of being floated there for a little bit.
Yeah, it's kind of scary.
I think, yeah, HR 1137.
And of course, that's also backed by this idea of trying to limit DUIs and drunk drivers and stuff.
But then, and this is kind of laying the groundwork here for the bigger picture, you know, like, well, who controls the kill switch?
Who decides, you know, some of the determining factors?
And one of the things that I keep talking about online is how fast the surveillance net seems to be tightening around our everyday life.
And I'm sure you're familiar with these things, but these flock license plate, rear cameras, there's like around 100,000 of them around the U.S. right now.
They're just put in a, they just made a contract in my own hometown of Sacramento.
And we were talking before that, I guess you're around here as well.
But a new million dollar contract, there's something around 2000 in the greater Sacramento area already.
And so not only are these license plate readers everywhere, they're also intelligence agencies tying it all together through pre-crime prediction algorithms and softwares.
And, you know, cities are also rolling out gunshot detectors and even drones as first responders.
And so this is all becoming normalized very fast.
And the cherry on top here is these ICE agents, you know, threatening to put some of these people who are expressing the First Amendment right there.
The protesters end to quote domestic terrorism databases just for protesting.
And one other caveat here too is that these flock cameras and the algorithms, like, they're not always accurate, right?
Just yesterday, a story came about of a driver's car being identified incorrectly by these flock cameras.
I guess the algorithm misidentified a seven on his license plate as a two.
And so this driver gets pulled over and the cops pull him over at gunpoint.
They unleash a canine on him.
They arrest him.
They put him in jail all for this crime that didn't exist.
And he's still recovering from the canine wounds.
So I was hoping to get your take on this.
How does this whole ecosystem look like to you?
Shouldn't apology just suffice for a canine bite and being pulled over?
I think that it's like in Chicago, we had the red light cameras.
Yeah, right.
And it's like, OK, if that's the case, if you're going to do that, then you have two options.
Admit it's purely for revenue generation and then make it so we have all automated cars
that will never go over the speed limit.
And that means instead of taking 35 minutes to get to work because you speed,
well, now you got to take the full 15 minutes to get to work that day.
So plan accordingly.
I still have a difficult time separating the concept between, well,
we have public roadways and they're funded by the people.
And, you know, you got the sovereign citizens.
I'm traveling and operate, but at the same time too,
I know based off of human nature that if everything's a free for all,
you know, there's going to be a few assholes out there.
So I do like a little bit of law and order, follow the rules.
Hey, everybody, if we could all behave, it would be great.
And there's a lot of things that are scams, right?
I think insurance is a huge scam.
Really, it's unbelievable.
When it comes to the data collection and everything else, I don't get it.
We used to run every plate possible.
We call it license plate bingo, right?
And you're looking for it when you go in reverse.
So I don't care about you speeding.
The easiest way to get it, the easiest way to get yourself speeding,
zip up right on your ass, follow you for two blocks.
You're going to drive well.
I did my job.
You now have drove in safely through the rest of my town.
I don't have to activate my lights.
What's the big damn deal?
What I'm looking because it's a waste of my time to stop you,
right?
You're warning because admin wants the good stuff.
They want the guns and drugs and knives, the bombs and weapons
and mass destruction.
So what I'm looking for is I'm looking to run the plate,
pop a suspended, a revoke, a warrant, all this.
Now I have to find the probable cause, right?
And that's another thing too.
Integrity is huge.
You know, when I went, talked earlier about the whole pulling
of over there, I suspended the suspended vehicle who had
defeated kids.
That really happened.
And I was two blocks from his home and I arrested the guy two
other times and I went, would you get the F home?
I'm going to follow you home.
Park your car.
Don't let me see you drive.
But I wasn't like that.
My first year on, I was told, hey, you want overtime.
There's a great way to do it.
I worked midnight 11 p.m. to 7 a.m.
Around 6.15 when everybody is bringing their stuff in,
start running traffic.
Because people who are getting ready to go to work that day,
you're going to find something.
Sure as shit, man.
Pull the guy over.
And it turned out he had a no valid license.
Wasn't suspended.
Wasn't revoked.
This is 60 something year old man who had a no valid license
because he forgot his birthday came.
A license expired by six months.
He never got it renewed.
What did I do?
Street booked him, wrote him a ticket, told him to call
his wife, pick him up, towed his car.
And I look back on that and I'm like, I was 26.
That man was in his 60s.
He's been driving since longer than I was alive.
And I did that for an extra hour of overtime.
Kind of a piece of shit am I?
So I had an evolution in my own process.
But at the time I was like, dude, yeah, got him.
Got on the stat for the day.
Got my cuffs on somebody else for the day.
But when we're progressing out of this, this intel
and all of this, you take the integrity out of law
enforcement because now it's shooting fish in a barrel.
Now it's just run this data collecting center.
And it's almost like automated sales.
Instead of you going out and getting your own leads,
the leads are pumped to you and you got to go do the job.
I think it takes the integrity out of police work.
I think it's pure revenue generation.
And unless they can monitor it into a way,
we're saying, hey, listen, we're leaving all civil warrants
out and any deadbeat, dad warrants, not getting them,
and any warrants, it's nonviolent.
And it shows up on a flock registry or whatever.
We're not going to get involved with it.
But unless they have that, it's the same thing with DUIs.
Like I would love, I would be open to it.
I would.
I would be open to having to blow into my car
every time to operate it.
That's just me.
Because I'm not giving up a right.
Driving is a privilege, again, depending
upon which way you look at it.
So I'm interested in that.
But why should I do that when the states
could have fixed this problem 20 years ago?
For those who were my age, and you remember,
MAD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving,
in most useless organization on the planet,
they have had zero impact on DUIs.
But they have generated how many millions of dollars
for their 5013C people, right?
So you're going to tell me that now,
and this is again where I lost faith,
I wrote 40 DUIs in 2015.
And the last one was a cop.
And I was righteous on all my DUIs.
My reports were flawless.
I was a DUI expert.
And I never went to court for one single one of them.
And I always thought it was because Israel writes
such damn good reports.
We do not want to put this man on the stand.
We will lose.
No, it's because they all got pled
to either reckless driving or something else.
So the state, they want recidivism
because why would I throw someone in jail
for six months for doing it,
for putting other people's lives in danger,
drinking and driving,
when you know how many people you're going to kill,
when I could just let that fish go
because I'm going to catch them in six months.
So all of this shit is nothing more
than revenue generation.
That's all it is.
And it takes the honor and integrity
out of law enforcement.
And I think it's going to get worse.
Yeah, that's a great way to put it, man.
I love hearing former police officers say this shit, dude.
It's so awesome to hear that.
Speaking of a loss of integrity,
like obviously we've had an immigration problem
in this country.
The US has destabilized so much of the planet
that we have a large influx of refugees
and a large influx of some of this criminal elements as well.
And so ICE has been deployed
to multiple states across the country.
And we've seen some pretty terrifying things from them,
like the killings of Renee Nicole Good and Alex Pretty.
That was by these masked agents
and they kind of look like an occupying army,
like the occupying army that our forefathers warned us about
that we wake up homeless on this land.
They even refused, like, medics to get close to them
and they claim self-defense.
I mean, we don't have to get into that at all.
But it was weird.
Like, you watched that case unfold
and depending on what side of the political aisle you were on,
you could predict exactly what someone was going to come
to a conclusion based on that.
It's disgusting.
And it's disgusting.
You're actually wrong.
Renee Good and Pretty were not killed.
They were murdered.
Yeah, exact.
Thank you.
And that has nothing to do with who I voted for,
any of that shit.
I just have objective reality.
I voted for Trump and I supported Trump
and I vehemently opposed what ICE did.
And ICE were nothing more than savage domestic terrorists.
Yeah, okay, good.
That was my question.
I wanted to get your opinion on these people
that are covering their faces.
Two things can be true at the same time.
I worked, the town I worked in,
he had about 60 to 65% Hispanic population
from the border, tons of illegals.
Got to the point.
We were deporting people all the time,
2001 through 2003.
If you had a suspended, we arrested you.
What we did is we held you for INS.
We transported you to County.
You had your bond hearing at County.
INS would come.
They would make the determination
whether or not that they would take you back
over the border.
So we were already doing it in a different process.
And then one day the state attorney said,
you guys are deporting too many people.
Stop it.
Stop what the INS holds.
Okay, fine.
I said, I have a reality-based view
on culture and criminality.
I have the biggest soft spot
for the Hispanic culture on the planet.
No one treated us better than they did.
Not whites, not blacks, not Asians,
not Middle Easterns, none Hispanics.
Hispanics traditionally will come over here
and you know what they do.
They work two, three jobs
and they send a lot of their funds back home to Mexico.
That was my original problem years ago
when I was working retail in the bar industry.
Ah, these Mexicans sending their money back home.
What do I care?
What does that mean to you?
It means nothing.
When I got to know the truth about the Hispanic culture,
none, the mothers and fathers
who came here illegally were never the problem,
never to a degree.
It was their kids that they had here
who became Americanized,
mom and dad didn't speak English
and they knew they could manipulate.
They would join Sir Thirteen's, Latin Kings,
those were the troublemakers.
At the very most,
there was a criminal element
with the Hispanic culture
but it was a severely unreported element.
We had a lot of drinking and driving
was done by Hispanics
because Hispanic men,
I've said this very publicly,
they love to drink.
They love to drink and they love to do cocaine.
They do coke because they're working two or three jobs
and provide for family.
Mom is at home, traditional.
She is raising three kids,
four kids, sending them to school,
laundry, cleaning, food, this and that, all this.
Their households, and for the most part,
they're Catholics,
they're more conservative,
which always blew me away.
The Hispanic culture who's here is more conservative
than most conservatives,
and yet our conservatives
during this time are condemning them, blows me away.
But we did have a massive problem
with sexual assaults
because what would happen is you'd have
two families living in a single family home
and if you know anything about Hispanic men,
they can fix a diesel truck
with a screwdriver and duct tape.
They're just ingenious.
So you would take the partitioned
single family home
and you would have family upstairs,
family downstairs.
You're bringing your culture over into this world.
Hispanic men, they used to do,
it was, and these are, of course, generalizations,
do coke all day long, Monday through Friday to work,
then come Friday night, Friday and Saturday,
they're drinking like crazy to unwind.
Well, you'd have a daughter downstairs
who's 14, 15 years old,
looking kind of good according to him
and some handsy things would go on.
It rarely ever got reported
because the mother of the home,
either side, they're not going to call police
because they don't want police there
because then you're going to arrest and deport
the breadwinner of the home.
So you have a certain type of criminal element
in the home, right?
So when I looked at it,
okay, DUIs as a cop, I can knock that down.
Criminal sexual assault,
man, unless they're calling,
I can't do anything about it.
Shithead kids who are gang members,
I could still do something about that.
But deport them.
What am I deporting people
who are some of the highest functioning
contributors to society in our neighborhoods?
How much money do they pump into our economies
every single day?
When I saw what ICE was doing
and I saw their tactics
and then I saw the Renee Good shooting,
Renee Good murder execution
and I couldn't believe,
excuse me, how many people supported.
And that's the thing about law enforcement.
When they see an opening,
even the blue line bootlickers,
they will stretch everything.
Renee Good was transforming
into an interdimensional third-plane demon
from outer space
and she was giving the looks of lasers
out of her eyes to,
I can't remember what his name was,
the ICE agent.
So they'll never acknowledge,
well here's Renee Good
who could have activated fight or flight,
who's on body camera saying,
I'm not mad at you dude,
or a phone camera.
I'm not mad at you dude, whatever.
And then when a grown man is pulling
on her door
and scaring the shit out of her
because she's got one man in front of her,
one man in her door,
according to law enforcement
and law enforcement supporters,
it is not possible
that she was in flight mode.
She was only
in fight mode
and she 100%
intended
to run over that ICE agent.
Now, in that same video
that we saw,
the ICE agent
who says,
effing bitch
after he shoots her three times,
it's not possible
that he is intent was the killer.
He was in fear for his safety.
We're not going to talk about the fact
that maybe he's worked six, seven days in a row
in the same uniform, 12 hours a day
dealing with shitty people
and his own wife was a legal immigrant.
So he
has a bias against those who are here illegally.
He's a devout Christian Catholic
so we're not going to take into consideration
maybe he hates lesbians
and it's not a possibility, Izzo.
It is not a possibility that he got tired
of these bull dykes on scene
blocking the road in which they didn't
didn't block. So she went to run him over
he pumps three rounds in her. He just said
effing bitch because he was frustrated.
So
it's insane. And I even
brought up the case in Freddie.
I said, you know, this is going to be a piss
a lot of people off, but
you just watched cops violate
1st Amendment
and then they violated the 4th Amendment to go to
kidnap him
if the, I think his name was Daniel
Freddie or whatever it was. Alex Freddie.
Alex Freddie. If the Alex Freddie
case
was not
the definitive
incident to prove the necessity
of using the 2nd Amendment against law
enforcement, I don't know what is.
Yeah. I'm going to tell you straight out
and this is my professional opinion
based on and I've been
I lost thousands and
thousands of followers on all social media
platform for criticizing
and condemning ICE's actions. You want to
deport? Fine.
Treat these people like effing human
beings and they weren't doing it.
And now you're seeing they weren't trained
they're flagging each other during training
they're having negligent discharge and
training. They have 48 days of online
training. These are people who are rejected
from different departments who couldn't make
it. We are weekend warriors
all of this. I would
have been fine. I make
no apologies for this. If
Alex Freddie had got up and
and deployed his firearm
and defended himself successfully
and ICE agents or
Homeland Security or Border Patrol agents had died
at that. That would have been
a win for the Constitution
and I have no apologies for that statement.
I love it. You know
we actually published an article
I don't know at least a decade ago
by the great Larkin Rose
actually detailing exactly when
you should actually use
lethal force against a cop
and I know even within our community
of police accountability activists that was
even kind of regarded as taboo
like a conversation that was just a little too far
outside of the boundaries of the
allowable opinions you know and
I think at this point
it is a conversation that should be had and
especially in that case you're just highlighting
I mean if at all times exactly
that's when it should self-defense
should be paramount and should be justified
but I do feel like we've
you know over the years we've seen
example after example situation
after situation where
cops aren't necessarily doing the right
thing they're not de-escalating but they're actually
escalating because they know it can be legally
justified somehow. All the time
all the time every single
so you know it is
frustrating to me
to see that and especially when
we throw ice into the equation
and these people are militarized and
I kind of it kind of touches on
the larger police culture question that I
wanted to address with you here because
you know we've seen everything I'm sure
you've seen it all too but the brutality videos
the misconduct reports
you know police involved with sexual abuse
and sexual exploitation and
I mean all that stuff but a lot
of it it seems like
is the same personality type over and
over again it's the hotheaded cop with the chip
on his shoulder the ego that
the contempt of cop attitude
where the disrespect feels like a
bigger offense than an actual crime
and it's not just police now but it's
also ice that's very much adopting
this type of mentality so it
makes me kind of wonder if the badge is
a magnet for these certain personalities
or if it's the culture itself that
shapes people into that mindset
and don't get me wrong I know it's not an easy
job but I was
this yes it is
don't for one second think it's not
well I meant
in the sense of dealing with people at their worst
in their most difficult situation
every cop lives for that the hardest
part about the law enforcement is administration
that's it anytime you see a cop
kill themselves I never
you'll never see me
post any cop up online that says
we've got your six
end of watch because I don't know the character of the cop
I don't know somebody killed
like somebody killed themselves out here by me
a couple towns over law enforcement everyone's sharing their pictures
I'm going I don't know I have no idea
how he treated the public I don't care
right but I want to I want to touch
on something because I have a theory
de-escalation and the militarization
of police in this and that I want to make a statement
I would rather
threat violence than
use it now
I love
violence call me
only an interim dude I don't care I've been
wrestling coaching
martial arts you name it since I was a kid
I love violent movies
but I also I have so much
fear and respect for it
there is nothing that feels
good like it's such a disgusting
feeling when you go from
like the it's a
it's a transition when you go to want and you're ready to kick someone's ass
and the second that
contact is made you
instantly feel this disgusting
feeling of I just heard another human
being and mostly it's because of my ego
so I would rather never
now I would rather show up
and you look at me and go I'm not trying
this guy when it comes
to militarization I tried to balance that
out a little bit I wasn't all mollied
up on my external my external best
carrier cover I made sure in the wintertime I always
wore a tie boots were shined
but you looked at me and it was like alright
I'm not going to test this man
because I would rather have you go
take that badge off man you'll see
I'll tell if you are call me out seven ways
seven days from Sunday but
if my presence and my
look and I look like
I'm Johnny badass and I look like
I'm militarization if that got you
to just turn around a little bit easier
and put your hands behind your back well that's
de-escalation de-escalation
the problem is
this generation happened right around
2000 when we started
hiring cops
from this social media
generation female cops
DEI the 30 by 30
you have opened up
an entire floodgate
of people who were
raised in a day
in age where they don't have social
cues whatsoever
if we're all the same age we remember
the excitement of going
up to the girl if you were like me you
were you were pussy so you waited until 8th hour
right for the
hey so we would you like to go out with me this weekend
so when she rejected you
well you don't have to suffer the rest of the day you just go home
and you ride in the bus in shame but we remember
getting rejected and being like oh wow
hey you have to build up that courage
and it felt so good asking
a girl out well today if she sent a text
you up so this current generation
has no idea
the interact with police
and college
you're taking these college educated kids who've
never had their ass kicked in life
struggle to pay bills struggle to pay rent
you're now putting them in a position to make
decisions over working class
adults poverty people rich people whatever it is
any you have the freedom
excuse me you have the right and responsibility
not right you have
the privilege and responsibility take away
somebody's freedom if you can articulate it
and then you throw your pride into it and then all
of a sudden what social media
did for these cops is you
you take someone and this is this is the
tick-tock generation of cop and this is where I'm ultimately going
to tie this in with ice because people have been saying
for years they're going to federalize federalize the police
and I said no they're not no they're not I think
it's coming faster than people realize
I think what happened in the last five years five
six years is you saw a flood
of getting rid of the old timers
policy changers bringing
people on who literally can't do the
job I am 100%
anti-female
cop and I've talked about it several
times I get so much hate for it it's not that
they can't do the job it's that they can't do the job
it's as simple as that and it's not about
just physicality it's simply not
but if you're a female and you see this
there's quite a bit go look on tick-tock
you look at people who
they get the badge and the next thing
you know they start a new tick-tock account
because when you were
talking about an issue that was important to you
you being a Muslim
LGBTQ
Democrat conservative whatever nobody
listened to you
but the second you put that badge on
now of a sudden you got five ten
fifteen thousand people following you
and it's hashtag LGBTQ
cop that is so true man there's
an overwhelming number of
female cops on tick-tock
well so look what that's doing
now of a sudden
instead of getting the badge to serve the
public the badge serves their
social agenda this is what
I think that they're doing
I think when you
years ago
when you tested you'd have a thousand
people show up to a test
they I've never seen in my entire time of
being a cop departments
actively recruiting on social media
I've never seen this it's like now we're testing
next week we're testing next week I've never
seen this before you would have people lined
about the door it's like your number three
on the list and then you cry cried
the day I got my acceptance letter because
I knew how difficult it was now they're
hiring anybody but
now you cycle in
an average lifespan of three to five years
on the job because by year five you see
what the job is and go I got to do what
I don't want to listen to what the serge
says anymore when a serge
what do you mean we got to go to one two three main street
because you know some guys girlfriend said he's
depressed and we got to go red flag as
guns that unconstitutional well then
now they can start to threaten
them you do what we say or
you know your social media has got to go
and when you do that now you have two
things the social media serves social media
serves as an echo chamber to get somebody so
focused on themselves that they're like I
don't need the job anymore so they leave the
job but it also serves as wow
look at all these cops who are getting
popularity on social media by being cops
that's why I want to be a cop so they have a
never-ending cycle and
formal of yes men who are
doing the job when you do that
you increase the level of violence on the
street you increase the
unarmed shootings Colorado Aurora
Colorado has had
two unarmed shootings in the last year
both not even remotely
close to justified one
one cop Brandon Mills
shoots and kills a man
and on body camera
says no he's not armed he knew
he was not armed and
he shot him because he could not do anything
else Mustang police
Mustang police
rookie police officer was hired in
2023
right or his officer right
shows up to a mental health subject
the mental health subject
is seen jogging in her
general direction stops looks at her
she puts her hand right in her pistol
no she can't use force so she goes to her taser
the man did nothing wrong he was just having a mental
health episode he's no shirts
shirts on shorts only no jeans
no socks no shoes and he's holding a
pair of gloves white gloves
in his hands ultimately
taser doesn't work she shoots and kills him
at the press conference
she's cleared of any wrong
doing the chief wallace is where
chief wallace of the Mustang police
Oklahoma says
it appeared
that Juan Barbosa
was potentially
intending to inflict
lethal bodily force on right
it
appeared
Barbosa
intended to potentially
I've never
ever ever heard that
a officer right what was in this subject's
hands I don't know
then why'd you shoot him because it appeared
so you're a mind reader
that he intended to
so when you put more people
like that on the street
that are executing public
right and you cause social division like
with conservatives and liberals
and blah blah and kill and assassinate renae good
assassinate alex predi
well now what do you do
we clearly have an insurmountable
problem with the criminal elements
in our culture because
we vilified the cops that look like iso
because we don't want them on the street
because they look too militarized
they threat violence so we're gonna put
inept cops who have no social skills
don't look the part who can't do the job
who use too much excessive force
who contribute to a 30 by 30
agenda that says that females they don't use
excessive force when physically it's
impossible for a female to use excessive
force on a male and then you
create a problem
our crimes out of control what do we do
we're gonna exercise ice and federalize them
as the police we're gonna militarize
ice they're gonna become the weaponized
agents of the government and that's what we're gonna do
it's a long winded theory but I think
that's ultimately the direction they're gonna go
well not to mention the national guard
on our streets and yeah
I could certainly vouch too for
you know at least
numbers wise a lot of the videos
and articles that have come across our
our radar not all of them of course but
we're involving women officers
and yeah it just doesn't
seem like a recipe for success
unfortunately so I'll
yeah I'll certainly cosign on that
speaking to your point about the militarized
at least the optics the aesthetics
I could understand that I certainly
can understand that in fact there is
a gentleman by the name of Dale Brown
who's actually been on this podcast before
he's a friend of ours he's responsible
for creating the Detroit
threat management center and it is
basically even though he won't
admit to it privatized
what the name says threat management
center basically a security
protection type of organization
and they are militarized
and even though they haven't had any
type of violent encounters even though
they specialize in threat
management as the name says
they tend to have like a bunch of
different ways to deescalate situations but they
are militarized in the sense that they drive
m-raps they wear the fatigues
the camel fatigues all that
kind of stuff and I do think
at least to your point it
probably gives the illusion to the general
public that these people are in charge
these people have a
you know a stronghold on the situation
they know what they're doing they're not
in charge that you know nobody hates
the first or the second amendment more than cops
do we just don't I'll never
forget again I had my light bulb moment
where we used to be terrified
of people who were armed
and they would go wait why
when Illinois passed the conceal and carry law
Illinois I think is one of only two states
in the nation at least when I was a cop
where you had to notify the cop hey by the way
I'm armed any other state you don't have to
and the first time I dealt with it
pulled the guy over he had a firearm on him
I was like thank god you're armed
100% man that's great
when you say that right threat management center
well now a sudden you're stating
everyone's a threat to the police
well do you know what to be honest
every American
should be a threat to the police
I thought about this for years
cops are out gunned on the street
they should be
every American should own
you want to own a neighbor's tank man
I'll just be jealous of you because I can't afford it
gunship helicopter
I don't know how to fly it man I hate you
but it's not
we should if you went back
to solve the police focusing
on the Constitution
you wouldn't have these problems
if you let Americans to be honest
I was talking about this on a podcast earlier today
everybody's afraid of the police
because we cannot be neighbors anymore
you can't go outside today
and if your neighbor dumps
all their dog shit on your lawn you can't go over
go hey Joe clean up this
you and I are going to have a problem
if you don't clean this up because you're going to find yourself in cuffs
for threatening him
so because the government
stepped in so much
and took away our ability
I mean yeah too good
oh liberal women did this
even now I can't just say liberal sorry
women did this
women removed boys
growing up
with conflict resolution
solving it with their fists
and discovering this man is my enemy
he's a bully who just became
my best friend
they remove that
from such a rite of passage for men
and now we have men
who are so afraid
of their own shadow and they're becoming cops
yeah well that probably speaks
to a larger you know feminine
versus masculine kind of being eroded
in our society conversation which
I'm happy to get into but we are low on time
so I wanted to kind of juxtapose
what I was just saying about Dale Brown
into a question about reform
and you know it's
something that I think has been touted
for a long time years and years in fact
I think the first major protest
against police violence that I'm aware of
was the Haymarket Affair back in 1886
when
labor organizers and anarchists came out
to basically call out the same
patterns of brutality that we're still dealing with now
so with you know
what Dale Brown's doing at least that's a departure
from the state or any type
of local type of municipality
trying to enforce
its own laws right through the mechanism
of taxation so I was
wanted to hear your point on this
because you know asking the state to fix
itself for almost a half a century or a century
and a half I should say it's been that long
I hasn't exactly inspired
any confidence so like
do you think that political solutions
and incremental reform can realistically
change this system
that we've been trying to change for 140 years
or do you kind of lean more towards
what our libertarian view is which is
the incentive structure itself
is broken because it's tied to
taxation which basically guarantees
the funding so there will never be any real
incentive for change
improvement accountability
and that's why people like us point to people
like Dale Brown as like these private
security models where
communities actually voluntarily choose to
pay for the service that they want
and it seems to produce these better outcomes
fewer violent encounters and more respect
for not only people's rights
but like the officers who are enforcing
them so like everything you've seen
do you think that's actually possible
with reform or like what's the
replacement model
the reason I am so
pro police still to this day
I'm pro law enforcement I'm not pro cop
for individual's sake but they're the
in my opinion this is my opinion
they're the only ones who can save anything
and sadly they're not going to
the model of what you're talking about
would be great right I
my political ideologies are like I
believe socialism is
wow free healthcare
free free school
free food I think it's awesome
who's gonna pay for it and I also
know the danger of giving things away
for free and you can create an utopia
but one day you know you're gonna get
a life a loaf of bread that day
but I eat more than you I'm bigger than you
I'm gonna take your bread from you so it's always human nature
when it comes to
law enforcement if we went back
to the constitution the politicians
would be so
afraid of the people
because right now
the politicians leverage I got
a quote Maddie Wack
Maddie Wack his statement was so
brilliant he was on a podcast with me one time
he said if it wasn't for
the police
who had guns politicians would
just be a bunch of dead guys
and I'm like yeah because
we've seen it time and time again
cops betrayed Americans
during the lockdowns
how many people
one of my best friends lives out in Santa Cruz
got kicked off a beach
how many people did we hear weren't wearing masks
in church gyms were closing and we saw
cops shows the paycheck
there was we the people
versus we the politicians we the policy
we the paycheck we know who they chose
every single time
you see these big city protests
they stand down they follow orders
cops if cops sat there
and collectively stood up against brass
and we're not afraid to keep
their paycheck and actually honored the oath they swore
and said no
we are following the constitution to a team
and we're not revenue
generators anymore
and we are gonna do what we need to do
safeguard the American people
we'll respond for violence
mediate all this stuff but we are done
cuffing people
for income politicians would be
terrified of the people
and changing what we made
so I've said this before
it does suck
my platform is cop talk live
and I never run out of material
and I'm not going to I will be in business for the next 30 years
talking about police shit
and every time I get
hundreds of DMs a week
thank you brother wish I could see what you're saying
brother and I'm like I'm not your brother
because unlike you
I cost me everything
but I stood up and I stood up against
what was needed to stand you're in my DMs
talking about the shit that's going on in your department
because you're afraid to lose your job
lose your pension got to feed your kids
feed your wife all this shit and you want me
to solve your problems instead of you stepping up
so we have a nation of cops
who are just they're there for the paycheck
and I don't until that changes
and they actually believe in the oath they swore to
nothing will change
damn
that was intense dude
I really appreciate that stance man I
really appreciate that
that takes some balls
we're running out of time here
but I'm not sure if you're familiar with the formula
of our show we always like to end on a white pill
but this whole damn podcast has been a white pill
basically
but it's going to be a solutions based question
so to end on a positive note
but before I ask that question man
what you were just saying
I want to offer genuine praise for that dude
it takes an incredible amount of
honor and some kind of magic
to be able to wake up
after looking in the mirror and admit that you were
participating in this
utter madness that oppressed innocent people
that's very difficult to do
and you doing it as a cop
and figuring it out that it wasn't right
is huge
and it's huge to even make that change
and knowing that you're going to face
persecution is even bigger
because you're risking your livelihood
you know at the very people that you're
going to try to expose they're going to
you know that they're going to retaliate
and so we're genuinely glad to know you dude
and I want to thank you for that
I know I speak for Jason and I thank you for that
that's amazing and it means a lot
it's interesting too
like last week we had
a socialist
Jason said that in the beginning of the podcast
he's a comedian but he's a socialist
and despite coming from
completely different philosophical backgrounds
we're hardcore capitalists over here right
we spent the episode talking about
all the things we agree on
and how we can actually solve these problems
facing us that we agree on
and like this week we have a former cop
who
some may say cops are the enemy of the free thought project
but that's not true at all you know
like closed mindedness, obstinance
that's the real enemy of free thought right
we want solutions here to make everybody
like a better planet for everybody
and having a cop on
that sees through the thin blue line propaganda
is once again we're finding that
exact same common ground on what needs to be fixed
so here's the white pole questions
we live in this era
where the state relies on us being
hyper divided as I just kind of explained
you know and as a former cop who is obviously
pissed a lot of people off throughout
your career man by speaking the truth
you know you've clearly figured out
a pretty good way to navigate this
because you're successful you have your own show
for the listener out there who's
struggling right now
to talk to their back to blue family members
or you know like the
thin blue line kind of cult
how do you recommend
people cross that bridge like how do we have
these crucial conversations
without choking each other
at the Thanksgiving table you know
till we can build this consensus
and fix the fucking problems that are plaguing us right now
it's the same way I approach
Christianity now I'm a Christ follower
but I cannot stand
the people who go into
Walmart with the megaphone
attention Jesus loves you
and he wants I hate those people
they don't get their point across very well
no they don't my view is
I want to live in a way
that you see how I
am and you walk up to me and go do you know what
I don't know you
I just something about you
and I go hey listen
I'd love to have coffee with you
Christ is the foundation of my life if you want to talk about it
I'm an open book I think it needs to be the same way
because I did go
and I did do the
confrontational
thin blue line they put their lives at risk
every day no they don't
no they don't and
I'm so hated because
every day I take criticism
you're just a small town cop and I go
yeah 85% of the cops in
America come from a department that has
less than 50 sworn on it
you know big town CPD they're nothing more than glorified
security guards I used
to have those conversations and talk about all this shit
and ultimately speaking
nothing really clicked until I
went yeah I have to
stop denying the truth I'm not
jaded and bitter for what
happened multiply that
times a hundred and maybe you'll come
close to it I'm heartbroken
beyond belief that a profession
I loved did what they did to me
and
I those were that was supposed to be
my family and
but here I am still defending them
and they don't care and
I'm a blue falcon and I'm a traitor
and I got fired and they make me
out to be the worst human being in the world
and it wasn't until I sat there and went
you got to own this
people have a hard time
that I love the profession
and what it represents and it represents
a man or a woman
being able to
serve another human
being at the highest level of any
capacity out of any profession on the planet
doctors lawyers I don't care
you call 911 it means that you
are a human being that cannot
solve your problem and you require
me to show up what a
fucking honor I
have that and I'm going to act
like I have
an honor to be served by me
people don't understand how high I hold
that in regard and how
when I talk to these cops
about changing their
methods their views and criticizing
them and giving them what I grew
up with that old school almost negative reinforcement
it's because if you are
not rising to this occasion
you are dishonoring every
human being you serve and they just don't get
it so to answer your question
fully the only way I have
found to survive it is to
to walk what I'm talking
and that means that if I'm actually
if I believe it I hold fast to it
I don't back down I will be open
it's kind of like what you guys
not miswords you guys actually
exposed me to that you can have an opposing
ideology that isn't threatening me
they're just they have their matter of fact beliefs and they believe it
and we can come into the table and have a
discussion how it's supposed to be so that's how I am
but at the same time too
no I'm ruthless I will die
from my beliefs and I will anytime somebody
like I still George Floyd
I have I would Derek
Chauvin did didn't murder George
Floyd what Derek Chauvin did was the single
worst thing in the history of law enforcement
with those Minneapolis cops did
never investigated a crime
no proof of the fake no one ever
did an even remotely look
at that $20 bill they put a man
in handcuffs simply because he was black
at the wrong place wrong time and they
knelt on him like he was a goddamn
Serengeti trophy that they just hunted on the planes
it's like so
but you're not going to change your views absolutely
not part of my language twice on that
but that's my view is hold fast
I think that
people see your integrity
they will see how you walk
and that will help them to form their opinion
better and study genetic events
well said brother and man
I think this podcast could have gone on for
three hours it's very
refreshing to talk to somebody in law enforcement
we don't often do that and it was a great one
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