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01:38.660 Free Thought Project Podcast. 01:39.720 --> 01:46.860 A hub for free-thinking conversations about the promotion of liberty and the daunting task of government accountability. 01:48.620 --> 01:53.010 Here are your hosts, Jason Basler and Matt Agarist. 01:57.750 --> 01:59.250 Hello again, free thinkers. 01:59.690 --> 02:01.870 Welcome back to the Free Thought Project Podcast. 02:02.390 --> 02:07.930 My name is Jason Basler and joining me is the Free Thought Project Editor-in-Chief, Matt Agarist. 02:09.050 --> 02:10.890 Appreciate you all tuning in. 02:11.090 --> 02:15.850 Once again, we've got another solid show ahead with another first-time guest joining us today. 02:17.970 --> 02:22.250 Today's guest is someone we've been following here at TFTP for some time. 02:22.250 --> 02:28.670 I would say probably at least a decade, but when, you know, a former law enforcement blows the whistle, 02:28.890 --> 02:33.350 we listen because there's a lot that we could learn from, a lot of perspective that we could glean. 02:34.210 --> 02:39.990 So I am very much looking forward to hearing his interpretation on where policing is, where it's going, 02:40.410 --> 02:45.230 and how we can begin to move in the right direction and find some positive solutions. 02:46.290 --> 02:52.230 First though, guys, I'm going to go ahead and just power through a couple short announcements before I introduce our guest. 02:53.110 --> 03:00.090 So I know I say this every podcast, guys, but it is so, so, so very important that you are subscribed to this podcast 03:00.650 --> 03:04.030 and take a moment to rate it on your favorite podcast player of choice. 03:04.650 --> 03:08.290 If you really appreciate our work, go to the top of the freethoughtproject.com 03:08.290 --> 03:11.570 and there you'll see a tab for a TFTP membership. 03:12.210 --> 03:17.250 $10 a month multiplied by the hundreds of listeners we have keeps these conversations coming. 03:17.970 --> 03:23.770 And guys, I know this part is easy to ignore, but it really is important for this podcast, so I do hope you consider it. 03:25.190 --> 03:32.990 Also, free thinkers, we had a very powerful conversation with the most censored comedian on the internet last week, Mr. Lee Kamp. 03:32.990 --> 03:43.130 We dived headfirst into the Iran War, the Petrodollar, the recent arrest of the Marine veteran Brian McGinnis, and the America First Betrayal. 03:43.750 --> 03:52.450 So definitely download that episode after this one, especially if you're trying to still make sense of why the U.S. started this new conflict in the Middle East. 03:53.410 --> 03:58.770 And last but not least, seeing we are likely to be talking about all things police related today, 03:58.770 --> 04:07.950 I just wanted to remind our listeners that my Know Your Rights class I've been working on and producing and did live last year a number of times. 04:08.210 --> 04:14.190 It can now be found at a Learn At Your Own pace recorded seminar at Monge Therese Solutionary Center. 04:14.710 --> 04:23.750 It's about half the price it was when I was doing it live, but I do promise you will walk away from it feeling empowered and a much better understanding of how to apply your rights. 04:24.070 --> 04:26.670 Much more confident when dealing with police. 04:26.670 --> 04:28.510 So definitely check it out, guys. 04:28.810 --> 04:33.890 And once again, that could be found at SolutionaryUniversity.org slash Know Your Rights. 04:36.210 --> 04:39.710 All right, I'll go ahead and get into the intro here. 04:40.090 --> 04:43.390 Our guest today is a retired Illinois police officer. 04:43.830 --> 04:51.430 He's a use of force instructor and a media personality known for his outspoken commentary on policing, corruption, and politics. 04:51.430 --> 04:59.390 He hosts the branch of Izzo and Cop Talk Live, and we're certainly excited to have him on the show joining us. 04:59.810 --> 05:04.330 So, Mr. Dominic Izzo, thanks for joining us and welcome to the Freethought Project podcast. 05:04.890 --> 05:07.110 Chance, it's been about a decade. Thanks for having me. 05:07.390 --> 05:10.530 Yeah, no kidding, man. I'm surprised we haven't done this before. 05:10.890 --> 05:17.830 But, you know, as I mentioned, you know, we've been kind of allies over this past decade, which, you know, is I guess kind of an unlikely pairing. 05:17.830 --> 05:24.550 And Matt and myself have been in the police accountability arena, you know, since, what, 2012? Matt, somewhere around there. 05:25.610 --> 05:33.810 Documented police violence, police must conduct, abuse of authority, all on the Freethought Project for, yeah, jeez, I don't know, 13 years, somewhere around there. 05:34.310 --> 05:38.730 So we are certainly excited to have you join us, even though our backgrounds do differ. 05:39.070 --> 05:41.730 But I think our focus and goal is the same. 05:41.730 --> 05:45.930 In fact, you know, Matt isn't feeling very well today. He's sick with the cold. 05:45.990 --> 05:59.550 But we didn't want to miss this opportunity because we're confident this will find some common ground and, you know, definitely be valuable to our audience who I think is just as aware and likely just as exhausted by the endless stories of police violence. 06:00.230 --> 06:06.090 So, yeah, I should also mention, you know, I've supported your work. I think Matt has as well. We've been sharing your videos. 06:06.090 --> 06:09.330 I remember even quoting you in some memes we've made over the years. 06:09.590 --> 06:17.970 So I think we both see the numerous problems embedded in the institution of law enforcement and, yeah, getting into that, dissecting those topics today. 06:18.550 --> 06:23.270 I'm looking forward to it. But first, I thought maybe a good place to start might be your origin story. 06:23.590 --> 06:29.470 Like, you know, what drew you to policing? What did you see that made you want to, you know, blow the whistle and quit? 06:29.470 --> 06:34.570 And how did you decide to become a local critic of law enforcement around the country? 06:34.790 --> 06:39.450 And of course, we don't have to get like super deep into this, but I do think our audience would appreciate hearing your background. 06:39.750 --> 06:45.110 Well, I'll attribute to you guys. You guys are responsible for actually the criticism. 06:45.790 --> 06:51.070 Cop? I'm not going to lie. I became a cop in 2001 because I wanted a steady profession. 06:51.510 --> 06:54.710 I was a nightclub bartender at the time working at a 4 a.m. bartender. 06:55.130 --> 06:59.110 And we used to have a bunch of cops coming to the bar we're at and they're all like, oh, you'd make a great cop. 06:59.230 --> 07:02.290 You'd make a great cop. I was like, oh, okay, I'll go test. 07:02.450 --> 07:07.090 So literally, I'm an anomaly from the day I dropped off my first application. 07:07.690 --> 07:10.370 So the time I got hired was four weeks first try. 07:10.670 --> 07:15.210 And I kept hearing these horror stories of guys saying, you know, it's going to take you nine times, 10 times a test. 07:15.310 --> 07:16.470 I've been tested for 10 years or whatever. 07:16.650 --> 07:19.550 So when I got that job, I'm like, I'm going to take it. 07:19.550 --> 07:27.890 I didn't go in with the mindset of, oh, I want to help my community and I want to, you know, put the bad guys in jail. 07:28.070 --> 07:29.750 No, I literally, I wanted a profession. 07:30.070 --> 07:36.850 And at the time I kind of went in as an idealist to a degree thinking that of all professions, 07:37.110 --> 07:40.090 law enforcement has to be something with honor and integrity. 07:40.210 --> 07:44.410 And I learned very quickly that it's no, it's political and it's a business. 07:44.870 --> 07:47.730 I learned very quickly on that it's revenue generation. 07:48.470 --> 07:51.490 Somebody sent me and I remember exactly where I was at the time. 07:51.610 --> 07:57.270 I was actually in the police department bathroom, you know, using the bathroom and somebody back then we didn't have smart phones. 07:57.430 --> 08:00.190 So you would get somebody sending you an email, they would send you a printout, right? 08:00.850 --> 08:06.670 So I got a five page email printout of the breakdowns of what law enforcement is like. 08:06.670 --> 08:08.670 And this was year three for me at the time. 08:09.090 --> 08:15.770 And it says, you know, between years one and one and three, you're a hard charger, you go getting, you know, you're knocking down all the cars. 08:16.230 --> 08:17.550 Everybody's got drugs on the snap. 08:17.810 --> 08:22.270 By three years, three and five, you start questioning, you know, you slow down, what am I doing? 08:22.630 --> 08:24.490 Between five and eight, you start rethinking your career. 08:24.670 --> 08:27.450 And I'm like, that's kind of where I'm at right now. 08:27.530 --> 08:28.010 It's kind of accurate. 08:28.290 --> 08:33.970 And I have a massive issue with pride. 08:34.750 --> 08:38.590 It is, maybe it's short man's disease. 08:38.750 --> 08:42.510 I'm five foot seven and I have an extremely large ego. 08:42.510 --> 08:46.910 But I do not like injustice in any way, shape or form. 08:47.270 --> 08:51.470 Every job I've ever had when something is wrong, I'll take it all the way up to corporate. 08:52.010 --> 08:53.730 Hey, you're not paying these guys what you should be. 08:53.890 --> 08:56.970 And you know, you're not doing this and this and I'm just a little peon in an organization. 08:57.050 --> 09:03.210 But that's how it always was when I saw the things in law enforcement with my first department of things I didn't agree with. 09:03.410 --> 09:05.830 I was like, what are we doing here? 09:05.830 --> 09:14.230 You know, and specifically it was an off-duty police officer from a town over, was in our town drinking at a bar and our village clerk, 09:15.250 --> 09:21.390 one of our village trustee or whatever got in his face and he politely pushed her back. 09:21.950 --> 09:26.730 And next thing you know, she's leveraging 911, screaming for us to arrest him, 09:27.110 --> 09:31.890 find out he's an off-duty cop and we call our sergeant and it turned into the biggest investigation on the planet. 09:31.890 --> 09:34.370 All this man did was want to get this woman away from his face. 09:34.370 --> 09:37.590 So he put his hands on her and just pushed her back slightly, very gently. 09:37.850 --> 09:43.250 And I looked, I went, oh my God, this is not, this is, I'm not a political hired gun. 09:43.530 --> 09:46.390 And I didn't like what I saw on that level. 09:46.450 --> 09:50.830 It was the first time ever I'd seen politics and how we were used. 09:51.470 --> 09:56.430 And so I started shooting my mouth off of the department and it got to the point where I went screw this. 09:56.470 --> 10:00.110 If I'm going to be part of an organization, I'm going to go back to working in a bar. 10:00.110 --> 10:00.950 I'm going to open a gym. 10:01.070 --> 10:05.930 So I left for a little while, but when I came back into law enforcement six months later, 10:05.930 --> 10:12.470 I started to look at what the job meant and it took on a completely different shape for me. 10:12.750 --> 10:17.530 It like those six months where I was away from the job, I looked at it as when I went back, 10:17.770 --> 10:20.090 I went back into money, right? 10:20.230 --> 10:26.350 So when I went to be a cop, I was 26 years old and I was making 80 grand a year as a bartender working four or five hours a night. 10:26.350 --> 10:30.250 Then I dropped down to $36,000 a year working 40 hours a week. 10:30.550 --> 10:38.690 When I went back into the bar industry and made all that money, it just changed my perspective to where then when I went back to the same area that I worked at before 10:38.690 --> 10:44.150 and I saw people who were making, you know, like average median household was like 32 grand a year. 10:44.450 --> 10:48.930 I started going, oh, I have it better than so many people here. 10:50.470 --> 10:52.390 I do work for these people. 10:52.390 --> 10:59.030 I started to see what people had said for the first five years when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. 10:59.250 --> 11:00.830 I didn't understand that. 11:01.250 --> 11:02.590 And I started to go, hey, you know what? 11:02.790 --> 11:04.650 I already got my cannabis arrests. 11:05.290 --> 11:07.670 Is this really this effin plant? 11:07.830 --> 11:10.590 Is this really something I want to ruin somebody's life over? 11:11.190 --> 11:16.970 So, you know, you get, and then you get your performance evaluations that you're not doing this and how many car searches you're doing. 11:16.970 --> 11:29.010 And I regretted my first interview with my police department because when I gave the phone in answer, I want to help my community. 11:29.250 --> 11:30.390 I think I could be valued here. 11:30.610 --> 11:31.970 I would have changed that answer. 11:32.190 --> 11:36.470 And when people call me now and they go, you know, hey, I'm interviewing for being a cop. 11:36.890 --> 11:37.710 You know, I'm testing. 11:37.870 --> 11:38.730 I go, why do you want to be a cop? 11:39.350 --> 11:40.650 They all say the same thing. 11:41.030 --> 11:42.630 Well, I want to help my community. 11:42.870 --> 11:45.190 And this thing I go help your community by pulling people over. 11:45.190 --> 11:46.090 Do you know what I'm taking? 11:46.350 --> 11:46.930 Does that help with them? 11:47.190 --> 11:47.850 Do you know that? 11:49.650 --> 11:51.130 It's like, what do you think you're doing? 11:51.430 --> 11:55.250 I said, no, I said, what has to change is why you want to be a cop. 11:55.350 --> 12:03.910 And it hit me in the second time in my profession that for me, this was specifically for me and it makes a lot of people cringe when I say this. 12:04.550 --> 12:11.730 The job of the American police officer afforded me the opportunity to be the single best version of myself every day of the week. 12:11.730 --> 12:13.510 And I noticed it. 12:13.550 --> 12:21.390 It didn't matter if it was a shots fired call, stabbing calls, or, hey, my neighbor is letting their tree grow over into my yard. 12:21.950 --> 12:23.410 It doesn't matter what it is. 12:23.530 --> 12:26.710 My job is to show up and solve your problem. 12:27.310 --> 12:31.430 And every time I rolled my eyes because somebody said, hey, I'm missing a UPS package. 12:32.050 --> 12:33.730 Hey, these kids are cutting across my lawn. 12:34.130 --> 12:35.590 Hey, my daughter won't come home. 12:35.870 --> 12:41.270 And I'm like not taking it seriously because as a cop, I'm only supposed to be focusing on the shots fired and the snap and the gang issues. 12:41.270 --> 12:42.750 That's disrespecting the job. 12:42.970 --> 12:46.970 And it's disrespecting what I'm being paid to do and that both I swore to. 12:47.530 --> 13:00.650 So I tell people now, unless your answer is you want this job because it is the single greatest opportunity for you to show up at your best every single day as a human being to contribute to society. 13:00.870 --> 13:01.330 Don't do the job. 13:01.550 --> 13:02.310 Don't do the job. 13:02.310 --> 13:15.570 So you've been advancing on where you guys came in was that ego and that pride factor got me in hot water with my last apartment when I found out that our body cameras were recording as 24 seven. 13:16.050 --> 13:19.770 And I never I had a choice. 13:20.290 --> 13:20.810 Say nothing. 13:21.210 --> 13:24.390 Oh, look, there's me urinating on body camera. 13:24.550 --> 13:29.050 Oh, look, there's our only female cop changing her tampon on camera. 13:29.050 --> 13:31.230 And even though I can't stand her. 13:31.490 --> 13:32.530 But you know what? 13:32.930 --> 13:33.950 I'm union president. 13:34.150 --> 13:34.790 I got to say something. 13:35.650 --> 13:37.350 We filed a federal lawsuit. 13:37.850 --> 13:39.790 Of course, our department claims ain't nothing about it. 13:40.270 --> 13:47.450 Eight months into the investigation, they fired me for disseminating department property without express permission chief of police. 13:47.570 --> 13:56.590 They got me on a department policy violation for for texting a photo of a dead woman from a blood out from a ruptured upper GI. 13:56.590 --> 14:01.890 And then a guy we found in a heroin overdosing closet and I texted them to a person a friend of mine. 14:01.930 --> 14:03.030 So this is what I'm working on today. 14:03.050 --> 14:04.270 So she said, I got you. 14:04.570 --> 14:09.670 I get me took me three years, but I got fully reinstated and cleared and I was reinstated. 14:09.770 --> 14:10.910 Then I retired the next day. 14:10.950 --> 14:13.810 But during that time, I kind of ran across you guys. 14:14.170 --> 14:25.550 Now, I don't know if you are a war back then associated with police, the police, but police, the police on Facebook did an article on me that pissed me off. 14:25.550 --> 14:27.650 Where they did this. 14:27.930 --> 14:29.130 That was us. 14:30.390 --> 14:37.010 But it was a slap in the face to me because I had already been slapped in the face by my department. 14:37.190 --> 14:40.690 I couldn't believe that that blue brotherhood doesn't exist. 14:41.310 --> 14:45.630 I mean, the chief was my father figure and the man did what he did to me and all this stuff. 14:45.770 --> 14:48.910 And all of the guys I worked with, hey, we need you to write a letter of no confidence. 14:49.130 --> 14:49.950 The chief, all right, I'm going to write it. 14:50.210 --> 14:51.070 Well, we can't sign it. 14:51.590 --> 14:52.390 We can't sign it. 14:52.390 --> 14:57.350 But at the time, I was very big into an idealist. 14:57.510 --> 14:58.970 I wanted to change the world. 14:59.090 --> 14:59.690 Right here I am. 14:59.790 --> 15:00.230 I'm a cop. 15:00.750 --> 15:07.270 You know, I took pride in the looking the best of my uniform, being fit, knowing the Constitution, coming to work, solving problems. 15:07.490 --> 15:10.330 And I did a post that I said I want to die today. 15:10.550 --> 15:11.610 That was the post I did. 15:11.710 --> 15:18.590 I was thinking on Facebook at the time and I wrote this big diatribe about how I want myself, my current self to die. 15:19.050 --> 15:21.370 And I want to want to become more. 15:21.370 --> 15:30.810 Next thing you know, I got police to police with a picture of me holding an AR is saying that this psychopath wants to die today and blah, blah, blah. 15:30.810 --> 15:33.050 And I'm like, that's not what I did. 15:33.810 --> 15:35.230 I don't know if that was us, man. 15:35.290 --> 15:39.510 I'm sorry to interrupt, but we were police to police are still our police to police. 15:39.770 --> 15:40.410 But I don't remember. 15:40.530 --> 15:41.530 I don't remember that particular. 15:41.870 --> 15:42.690 It was back then. 15:42.990 --> 15:43.530 It was back then. 15:44.070 --> 15:44.590 But it didn't. 15:44.770 --> 15:51.070 It bothered me because it was my first taste of, well, anybody's going to take what you want. 15:51.070 --> 15:51.970 Interpret for their needs. 15:52.390 --> 15:56.610 Fast forward a little bit when you guys contacted me when I went through what I went through. 15:57.010 --> 16:04.130 The reason I kind of stopped in my tracks is because after that article, I was kind of like in nonstop defense mode. 16:04.290 --> 16:05.090 Police could do no wrong. 16:05.770 --> 16:06.730 Police are not racist. 16:07.430 --> 16:08.190 Police are not this. 16:08.330 --> 16:09.130 Police are not that credit. 16:09.870 --> 16:11.530 Yes, I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass. 16:11.550 --> 16:15.510 But when you guys reached out to me, it wasn't confrontational. 16:15.870 --> 16:17.230 It was not accusatory. 16:17.530 --> 16:18.650 It was fair. 16:19.570 --> 16:25.350 And when you interviewed for the articles that you did and I read them, I went, they manipulated nothing. 16:25.810 --> 16:27.870 They twisted not one of my words. 16:29.170 --> 16:31.590 That kind of made me realize, wait a second. 16:32.070 --> 16:32.310 Okay. 16:33.130 --> 16:34.590 Who's the real problem here now? 16:35.150 --> 16:41.130 Is it the blue line warriors who they'll die on the hill of we could do no wrong. 16:41.370 --> 16:43.130 And we all got to have each other's backs. 16:43.290 --> 16:44.170 I got your six of snap. 16:44.170 --> 16:47.710 Or is it the people who are criticizing law enforcement? 16:48.110 --> 16:49.330 Yeah, they can hate the police. 16:49.490 --> 16:53.910 It's a constitutional First Amendment right, but they legitimately want accountability. 16:54.450 --> 16:59.350 And I started to go, why am I fearing this word accountability so much? 16:59.670 --> 17:03.210 Wouldn't that coincide better with me living up to that? 17:03.410 --> 17:05.250 I want to bring the best version of myself every day. 17:05.250 --> 17:13.350 So it was right around that time, 10 years ago when it was because I had seen that my side betrayed me. 17:13.890 --> 17:23.970 But the quote enemy, which was supposed to be you guys just wanted me to back up what I was saying and be the man that I was saying in the cop I was saying. 17:24.270 --> 17:29.230 So it was like, it was that kind of pivotal moment where I went, oh, we legitimately do have a problem in law enforcement. 17:30.110 --> 17:31.070 That's awesome, dude. 17:31.070 --> 17:35.570 I remember interviewing you 10 years ago and we never covered that. 17:35.810 --> 17:38.430 And that's awesome that you would say that and remember it that way. 17:38.770 --> 17:38.930 Yeah. 17:38.990 --> 17:46.190 And while you were speaking, I had to go to the website and I was Googling everything about Dominic Izzo and everything that we've ever done seems pretty cool. 17:46.310 --> 17:46.810 I'm not sure. 17:47.170 --> 17:48.810 I'm going through my main folder right now. 17:49.130 --> 17:49.530 Yeah. 17:53.850 --> 18:00.950 I mean anyway, like, you know, when we first sat down with you 10 years ago, you were blowing the whistle on George Falenco, I believe. 18:00.950 --> 18:01.490 Yeah. 18:02.150 --> 18:06.790 And like highlighting a much larger systemic rot of what was going on. 18:06.870 --> 18:12.610 And it was amazing to be able to talk to you back then where you were the police union president, right? 18:13.610 --> 18:13.830 Yes. 18:14.090 --> 18:20.550 And how you were talking about these things like how the drug war is like a pretext for just revenue generation. 18:20.850 --> 18:25.290 And to hear that being said by a police officer was like profound back then. 18:25.290 --> 18:33.850 And you know, since then we've watched that that local rot that you had experienced in Round Lake, you know, scale into a national epidemic with the 1033 program. 18:34.010 --> 18:42.570 And like where it's been this militarized army that's been created in this country to go after people with a plant, you know. 18:43.510 --> 18:44.290 Oh, I did it. 18:44.690 --> 18:45.010 We did it. 18:46.250 --> 18:52.070 My first, my friend, and I want to back up, if it wasn't you guys, then it was cop block on Facebook. 18:52.330 --> 18:52.890 So it was one of. 18:53.390 --> 18:54.170 Yeah, it could have been cop block. 18:55.970 --> 18:59.970 We also work with them and they had some kind of some unhinged people on there. 19:00.970 --> 19:02.010 I did it. 19:02.230 --> 19:06.190 I talked about, I wrote a book called Before the Badge, Everything You Need to Know Before 19:06.190 --> 19:07.390 Come a Cop, Shameless Plug. 19:07.850 --> 19:13.870 And in there, I tell a story about how I don't have regrets per se, but I do have things. 19:14.370 --> 19:15.510 And that's a pride issue, right? 19:15.590 --> 19:17.430 Because I'm not going to admit I have regrets. 19:18.170 --> 19:21.330 But I look back at and I ask myself this a lot. 19:21.330 --> 19:26.230 It's like, okay, in the name of enforcing the law, how many lives did you ruin? 19:26.650 --> 19:30.730 And then I have to sit there and say, well, was there a choice, you know, X, Y and Z? 19:31.190 --> 19:32.750 You know, I was getting paid. 19:33.190 --> 19:43.250 And the role of the American police officer is supposed to be to keep the peace and maintain order in a free society, to keep the peace and maintain order free society. 19:43.250 --> 19:54.970 And I'll ask myself, does that apply on the 911 assist rescue call that I went on where it was medical subject, trouble breathing wasn't feeling well. 19:55.290 --> 20:01.110 And back then we had to go and support rescue when they went to any call whatsoever. 20:01.110 --> 20:02.930 And it was for a multitude of different reasons. 20:03.430 --> 20:13.230 The reason we told the public was always that, well, when we come in, we have to make sure rescue doesn't need us to, you know, keep them protected. 20:13.230 --> 20:20.450 From anybody, you know, big German shepherds, or maybe if they're taking somebody out of Gurney, we will pick up their equipment and carry it out. 20:20.630 --> 20:23.890 When in actuality, what it was is we're looking for plain view crap. 20:24.650 --> 20:26.970 And we're collecting IDs all the time, right? 20:27.270 --> 20:28.750 Hey, man, I know you call for your dad. 20:28.890 --> 20:30.150 Do you have your ID so I can write in my report, please? 20:30.470 --> 20:31.610 We're always collecting information. 20:32.310 --> 20:36.510 And I remember it was 10 to 10 o'clock at night, 11 o'clock at night. 20:36.830 --> 20:38.250 This guy has suffering from cancer. 20:38.990 --> 20:40.850 He's in his barca lounge or in his chair. 20:41.730 --> 20:48.650 And I back up to a door and I look under my feet and there's a fluorescent glow coming from the door crack. 20:49.570 --> 20:51.470 And there's a cord coming from it. 20:52.010 --> 20:56.770 So my justification was, hey, got to make sure there's nobody behind me going to jump out behind me. 20:56.790 --> 20:57.690 So I cracked the door open. 20:57.850 --> 20:58.990 I look in and there's a pot plant. 20:59.610 --> 21:02.810 All right, got to go punch a number, write a report, get a warrant. 21:03.210 --> 21:06.010 And I look at myself and I'm like, who were you? 21:06.010 --> 21:13.110 You couldn't just shut the door and walk away guys dying of cancer and let that effin pot plant grow. 21:13.210 --> 21:19.890 So I have moments like that where I want, yeah, you want the number, you want the stat, you want the felony. 21:20.250 --> 21:25.230 But ultimately speaking, you know, 10 years later, what does that do for my character as a human being? 21:25.750 --> 21:27.790 So I have moments like that where I question myself. 21:28.550 --> 21:33.070 Well, it's amazing that you've come full circle and are able to reflect on that, man. 21:33.070 --> 21:38.770 I went down a similar path when I was in the Marine Corps and I was basically a gun for the state 21:38.770 --> 21:43.350 and I would have killed anybody that they pointed me at and up to including women and children, you know, 21:43.430 --> 21:50.630 like we sang cadences about that, you know, and it took me a long time to break free from that. 21:51.250 --> 21:59.510 And I was, you know, at first I like I violently resisted it and I was like, there's no way that all these people, you know, like the military is 100% right. 21:59.730 --> 22:02.510 You know, we should be bombing these people. They're bad people, you know, 22:02.510 --> 22:11.910 and when you see like children and being blown up and over and over again and like somehow something got unblocked in my mind 22:11.910 --> 22:13.510 and I guess the same thing happened to you. 22:13.770 --> 22:20.310 And I was like, holy shit, this is, I'm the bad guy now, you know, this is not, this is not what we're supposed to be doing. 22:20.410 --> 22:21.550 This doesn't help anybody. 22:21.950 --> 22:28.190 That's the same thing goes for arresting people for a plant or stealing their money through civil asset foriture 22:28.190 --> 22:30.250 because it smelled like a fucking plant, right? 22:30.410 --> 22:34.370 Despite the fact that 90% of currency in the country has drugs on it. 22:34.390 --> 22:35.470 They use that all the time. 22:35.850 --> 22:39.250 But like this article I wrote is that there are no evil people. 22:39.450 --> 22:41.590 People aren't doing things because they think they're evil. 22:41.710 --> 22:44.290 They're just ignorant and they're, they think they're doing good. 22:44.710 --> 22:48.710 You know, the people are like you, you thought like, hey, this guy has a pot plant. 22:48.890 --> 22:55.260 I'm taught that this is good to stop people from doing pot because and I was taught that it's good to press people in foreign lands 22:55.260 --> 22:57.540 because we're trying to spread freedom and democracy. 22:57.840 --> 23:03.260 Like that's just, that's the nature of the state and how it makes people think like that. 23:03.480 --> 23:10.420 And so, you know, given that we have this entire environment right now where police officers across the country are being brought up in this, 23:10.500 --> 23:13.500 you notice, and you've been able to see through the veil. 23:13.800 --> 23:14.920 I've been able to see through the veil. 23:15.380 --> 23:18.020 How does a cop actually remain good? 23:18.020 --> 23:27.940 And like air quotes good in a system that creates these like these perverse unethical incentives that they see as actually doing good. 23:28.520 --> 23:30.340 Yeah, that's subjective, right? 23:30.420 --> 23:32.980 It's like, I felt guilty for years. 23:33.340 --> 23:36.100 I was at one, one year I was a DUI hound. 23:36.280 --> 23:37.440 I, and this is just me. 23:37.520 --> 23:38.680 It's my personal view. 23:38.920 --> 23:42.240 It's extremely polarizing. 23:42.240 --> 23:52.080 I don't believe that it with today's day and age with Uber and taxi cabs, phone calls to your parents and, you know, even the cops. 23:52.300 --> 23:56.240 I believe that if you drive drunk, you have no purpose on this planet at all. 23:56.360 --> 23:57.400 It is one of my biggest things. 23:57.680 --> 23:59.260 My last DUI arrest was a cop. 24:00.060 --> 24:07.980 I have, I have even people in my family have drove and drunk and gotten DUIs and they know I have seething contempt for it. 24:08.220 --> 24:10.400 I've seen too many people killed from it, all this stuff. 24:10.400 --> 24:14.200 I know the government could fix this tomorrow with, I don't give a shit. 24:14.340 --> 24:20.520 You make a steering wheel that will monitor the sweat glands in your hands from how much alcohol you have in your system. 24:20.640 --> 24:22.880 But I was a big DUI whore back then. 24:23.740 --> 24:32.180 And I wrote nine DUIs for cannabis because I was trying to get recognized by the state, right? 24:32.300 --> 24:35.600 You get a ton of DUIs, but I also knew my DUIs have to be righteous. 24:35.600 --> 24:39.020 Now, I'm not going to be one of those guys that I saw you swerving. 24:39.360 --> 24:42.220 You know, I needed the righteous probable cause. 24:42.940 --> 24:45.420 I needed the right field sobriety test. 24:45.780 --> 24:49.960 You blow your fuse to snap, but with cannabis back then, it was easier. 24:50.580 --> 24:52.320 Cannabis, it was, I'd walk up to a car. 24:52.520 --> 24:57.760 You pull the car over for failure, turn signal, whatever equipment violation you walk up in. 24:58.020 --> 25:03.900 You have the odor of burnt or fresh cannabis, which back then was probable cause for research. 25:03.900 --> 25:05.100 But I took it a step further. 25:05.260 --> 25:10.000 I would go, Hey, and coming back from like the sales industry and the bar industry, I could talk to anybody. 25:10.480 --> 25:13.220 Hey, man, you just smoke weed in the car. 25:14.480 --> 25:17.520 Well, no, I just smoked about an hour ago. 25:17.960 --> 25:19.440 Okay, that's it. 25:19.720 --> 25:21.240 No field sobriety, nothing. 25:21.600 --> 25:22.740 I need you to step out of the car, please. 25:22.820 --> 25:29.360 You're under arrest for DUI because the way the state law was written is any amount of drugs in your system. 25:29.620 --> 25:32.780 Well, when you admit to me, you smoked an hour ago. 25:32.780 --> 25:33.900 It's literally in your system. 25:33.980 --> 25:36.460 I got to take you for a blood draw if you consent to all this shit. 25:36.540 --> 25:45.480 And for years, for years, I felt so guilty because in my opinion, alcohol is about 100,000 times worse than cannabis. 25:45.620 --> 25:50.940 And I went, man, how many lives did I really ruin by giving people DUIs until recently? 25:51.340 --> 25:57.320 Last, I turned 50 last March and my wife gave me a gummy and I was like, I'll do one. 25:58.560 --> 26:03.360 Oh my God, the floor pinned me down for four hours. 26:03.520 --> 26:09.180 But it was like, and in that moment I went, okay, no, I could not operate a pencil. 26:09.580 --> 26:15.360 So maybe I made the right decision, but it's all based on your subjective morality at the time. 26:15.620 --> 26:24.520 I know people who like, I respect the guys who there's no ambiguity in what they do and they would write their own mother a ticket. 26:24.520 --> 26:27.400 I respect that because you're remaining consistent. 26:27.940 --> 26:27.980 Yes. 26:28.160 --> 26:31.380 I recognized there was a problem. 26:31.660 --> 26:34.720 This was around the same time that we were doing, you guys are doing articles on me. 26:35.080 --> 26:39.220 I had a Facebook page that had 100,000 followers and I was Officer Dominic Izzo. 26:39.560 --> 26:42.500 And one day for just jokes, I put up online. 26:42.680 --> 26:53.100 I said, how many of you in law enforcement base the issuance of your traffic citation on a driver on their words or attitude? 26:53.100 --> 26:59.400 I could not believe there were hundreds of comments and then defending the comments. 26:59.960 --> 27:00.660 Absolutely. 27:01.440 --> 27:03.820 It's my job to correct their behavior. 27:04.460 --> 27:05.160 Absolutely. 27:05.860 --> 27:10.840 If you can't be professional with me or rude with me, you're getting a ticket to this day. 27:11.340 --> 27:19.060 If anybody ever wants to see how stupid and uneducated our cops are, ask them that question. 27:19.060 --> 27:30.920 Do you base your discretion on the words unless somebody said, yeah, I was speeding, but more along the attitude of the driver, the amount of cops who will admit to that blows me away. 27:31.420 --> 27:40.700 And I started to look at, wait a second, our job as police is to keep the peace and maintain order-free society. 27:40.700 --> 27:50.840 So right around that time too, I started was communicating with Sheriff Richard Mack, who I think he's still the president of the Constitutional Sheriff's and Peace Officers Association. 27:51.280 --> 27:55.060 And I started to look at the concept of excessive fines. 27:55.680 --> 28:01.160 And I went, wait a second, I pull you over for speeding doing 50 and a 35. 28:01.720 --> 28:02.840 And I write you a ticket. 28:03.560 --> 28:04.440 You got to go to court. 28:04.860 --> 28:06.160 You got to take the day off work. 28:06.380 --> 28:07.340 You're going to lose a paycheck. 28:07.340 --> 28:11.820 The court's probably going to, even if they submit, you got to pay court costs or whatever, or plus fines. 28:12.340 --> 28:21.520 Doesn't that fit the definition of excessive fines versus me pulling you over and going, hey, I'm Officer Hizo with the so-and-so police department. 28:21.720 --> 28:24.100 You have got an insanely heavy foot. 28:24.220 --> 28:25.020 Could you do me a favor? 28:25.580 --> 28:26.700 I need your license and insurance. 28:26.960 --> 28:28.160 I'm going to write your written warning. 28:28.620 --> 28:29.140 I don't care. 28:29.380 --> 28:30.780 Throw it out the window in the next town over. 28:30.880 --> 28:31.560 Just don't litter in mine. 28:31.820 --> 28:33.260 It's not going to cost on your record at all. 28:33.500 --> 28:35.440 Just slow down. 28:36.360 --> 28:41.440 Didn't I do the effective same behavior change by addressing the issue? 28:41.880 --> 28:43.460 What the hell is a ticket going to do? 28:43.900 --> 28:50.600 So I really, I really started to go through a serious change where not everybody needed to be arrested for stuff. 28:50.680 --> 28:52.680 And my department really hated it. 28:52.800 --> 28:57.300 I literally cost them a lot of money because admin fees and toll fees were now a thing of the past. 28:57.420 --> 29:03.680 I go down from 40 DUIs in one year to literally pulling over one car and issuing a ticket in six months. 29:03.680 --> 29:04.920 They were really pissed at me. 29:04.980 --> 29:07.580 But it comes back to what are your morals? 29:07.880 --> 29:08.720 What are your beliefs? 29:08.940 --> 29:17.400 And if you believe that the guy who's got a suspended driver's license for emissions, not for moving violation. 29:17.720 --> 29:19.020 He doesn't have three speeders. 29:19.180 --> 29:21.360 He's got a frigging emissions violation. 29:22.040 --> 29:23.960 His driver's license and vehicle are suspended. 29:24.380 --> 29:25.920 He's got three kids at home. 29:26.340 --> 29:27.320 Got to go back and forth to work. 29:27.320 --> 29:36.380 If you believe that towing his car, which he'll never get out because he can't even afford to pay the toll fee, the admin fee, and then it's going to be compounded every day. 29:36.740 --> 29:42.300 If you believe sending that guy to court towing his car and giving him a suspended driver's license ticket, which is probably going to have his license revoked. 29:42.540 --> 29:45.740 If you believe that's the right thing to do, you and I are not on the same page. 29:46.600 --> 29:51.980 And if it's based on his attitude, you and I are even more not on the same page. 29:52.500 --> 29:52.900 Right. 29:53.220 --> 29:53.500 Wow. 29:53.500 --> 29:53.880 Yeah. 29:53.960 --> 29:58.700 Well, if only other officers kind of had that type of compassion. 29:58.840 --> 30:04.120 And I think that's a big part that seems like is the disconnect with the American public and law enforcement. 30:04.660 --> 30:12.400 And I really actually wanted, this is one of the topics I wanted to get into specifically about police culture and us versus them kind of mentality. 30:12.560 --> 30:20.180 But you did bring something up there, though, that kind of propels me into another question that seemed like it might even fit better. 30:20.180 --> 30:26.500 You mentioned a steering wheel that could potentially measure your blood alcohol level or something like that. 30:26.640 --> 30:33.580 I feel like that kind of goes hand in hand with that new kill switch bill that was kind of being floated there for a little bit. 30:34.040 --> 30:34.740 Yeah, it's kind of scary. 30:35.160 --> 30:36.900 I think, yeah, HR 1137. 30:37.880 --> 30:44.080 And of course, that's also backed by this idea of trying to limit DUIs and drunk drivers and stuff. 30:44.080 --> 30:51.440 But then, and this is kind of laying the groundwork here for the bigger picture, you know, like, well, who controls the kill switch? 30:51.620 --> 30:54.340 Who decides, you know, some of the determining factors? 30:55.180 --> 31:03.460 And one of the things that I keep talking about online is how fast the surveillance net seems to be tightening around our everyday life. 31:03.560 --> 31:11.660 And I'm sure you're familiar with these things, but these flock license plate, rear cameras, there's like around 100,000 of them around the U.S. right now. 31:11.660 --> 31:15.720 They're just put in a, they just made a contract in my own hometown of Sacramento. 31:16.040 --> 31:18.360 And we were talking before that, I guess you're around here as well. 31:18.400 --> 31:24.720 But a new million dollar contract, there's something around 2000 in the greater Sacramento area already. 31:25.320 --> 31:35.660 And so not only are these license plate readers everywhere, they're also intelligence agencies tying it all together through pre-crime prediction algorithms and softwares. 31:35.660 --> 31:40.860 And, you know, cities are also rolling out gunshot detectors and even drones as first responders. 31:41.220 --> 31:43.880 And so this is all becoming normalized very fast. 31:44.420 --> 31:51.340 And the cherry on top here is these ICE agents, you know, threatening to put some of these people who are expressing the First Amendment right there. 31:51.460 --> 31:57.220 The protesters end to quote domestic terrorism databases just for protesting. 31:57.560 --> 32:03.960 And one other caveat here too is that these flock cameras and the algorithms, like, they're not always accurate, right? 32:03.960 --> 32:10.260 Just yesterday, a story came about of a driver's car being identified incorrectly by these flock cameras. 32:10.460 --> 32:14.980 I guess the algorithm misidentified a seven on his license plate as a two. 32:15.640 --> 32:19.160 And so this driver gets pulled over and the cops pull him over at gunpoint. 32:19.500 --> 32:21.360 They unleash a canine on him. 32:21.440 --> 32:22.180 They arrest him. 32:22.460 --> 32:25.140 They put him in jail all for this crime that didn't exist. 32:25.700 --> 32:27.580 And he's still recovering from the canine wounds. 32:27.820 --> 32:30.680 So I was hoping to get your take on this. 32:30.680 --> 32:33.600 How does this whole ecosystem look like to you? 32:33.760 --> 32:37.460 Shouldn't apology just suffice for a canine bite and being pulled over? 32:39.100 --> 32:45.300 I think that it's like in Chicago, we had the red light cameras. 32:46.060 --> 32:46.700 Yeah, right. 32:46.900 --> 32:53.440 And it's like, OK, if that's the case, if you're going to do that, then you have two options. 32:53.440 --> 32:59.520 Admit it's purely for revenue generation and then make it so we have all automated cars 32:59.520 --> 33:01.060 that will never go over the speed limit. 33:01.280 --> 33:04.960 And that means instead of taking 35 minutes to get to work because you speed, 33:05.100 --> 33:07.320 well, now you got to take the full 15 minutes to get to work that day. 33:07.500 --> 33:08.240 So plan accordingly. 33:08.880 --> 33:13.660 I still have a difficult time separating the concept between, well, 33:13.900 --> 33:16.340 we have public roadways and they're funded by the people. 33:16.700 --> 33:18.360 And, you know, you got the sovereign citizens. 33:18.620 --> 33:20.660 I'm traveling and operate, but at the same time too, 33:20.660 --> 33:25.800 I know based off of human nature that if everything's a free for all, 33:25.980 --> 33:28.200 you know, there's going to be a few assholes out there. 33:28.320 --> 33:32.820 So I do like a little bit of law and order, follow the rules. 33:33.100 --> 33:35.920 Hey, everybody, if we could all behave, it would be great. 33:36.180 --> 33:37.940 And there's a lot of things that are scams, right? 33:38.120 --> 33:39.380 I think insurance is a huge scam. 33:40.080 --> 33:41.440 Really, it's unbelievable. 33:42.500 --> 33:48.300 When it comes to the data collection and everything else, I don't get it. 33:49.020 --> 33:51.440 We used to run every plate possible. 33:51.640 --> 33:53.460 We call it license plate bingo, right? 33:53.520 --> 33:55.400 And you're looking for it when you go in reverse. 33:55.780 --> 33:59.520 So I don't care about you speeding. 34:00.480 --> 34:02.580 The easiest way to get it, the easiest way to get yourself speeding, 34:03.040 --> 34:05.520 zip up right on your ass, follow you for two blocks. 34:05.740 --> 34:06.300 You're going to drive well. 34:06.660 --> 34:08.880 I did my job. 34:09.460 --> 34:12.760 You now have drove in safely through the rest of my town. 34:13.040 --> 34:14.640 I don't have to activate my lights. 34:14.720 --> 34:15.980 What's the big damn deal? 34:15.980 --> 34:19.300 What I'm looking because it's a waste of my time to stop you, 34:19.440 --> 34:20.020 right? 34:20.060 --> 34:22.520 You're warning because admin wants the good stuff. 34:22.520 --> 34:25.000 They want the guns and drugs and knives, the bombs and weapons 34:25.000 --> 34:25.620 and mass destruction. 34:25.820 --> 34:28.960 So what I'm looking for is I'm looking to run the plate, 34:29.100 --> 34:31.980 pop a suspended, a revoke, a warrant, all this. 34:33.200 --> 34:36.480 Now I have to find the probable cause, right? 34:36.560 --> 34:37.780 And that's another thing too. 34:38.320 --> 34:39.440 Integrity is huge. 34:40.120 --> 34:42.960 You know, when I went, talked earlier about the whole pulling 34:42.960 --> 34:45.820 of over there, I suspended the suspended vehicle who had 34:45.820 --> 34:46.300 defeated kids. 34:46.460 --> 34:47.280 That really happened. 34:47.420 --> 34:50.440 And I was two blocks from his home and I arrested the guy two 34:50.440 --> 34:53.360 other times and I went, would you get the F home? 34:53.740 --> 34:54.460 I'm going to follow you home. 34:54.620 --> 34:55.100 Park your car. 34:55.420 --> 34:56.100 Don't let me see you drive. 34:56.380 --> 34:57.460 But I wasn't like that. 34:57.900 --> 35:01.900 My first year on, I was told, hey, you want overtime. 35:02.080 --> 35:02.960 There's a great way to do it. 35:03.360 --> 35:06.980 I worked midnight 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. 35:07.800 --> 35:11.380 Around 6.15 when everybody is bringing their stuff in, 35:11.380 --> 35:12.340 start running traffic. 35:12.760 --> 35:15.700 Because people who are getting ready to go to work that day, 35:15.720 --> 35:17.020 you're going to find something. 35:17.380 --> 35:18.200 Sure as shit, man. 35:18.340 --> 35:18.960 Pull the guy over. 35:19.540 --> 35:21.580 And it turned out he had a no valid license. 35:22.180 --> 35:22.880 Wasn't suspended. 35:23.700 --> 35:24.360 Wasn't revoked. 35:24.800 --> 35:27.880 This is 60 something year old man who had a no valid license 35:27.880 --> 35:29.680 because he forgot his birthday came. 35:30.120 --> 35:31.600 A license expired by six months. 35:31.720 --> 35:32.440 He never got it renewed. 35:32.860 --> 35:33.520 What did I do? 35:34.020 --> 35:36.400 Street booked him, wrote him a ticket, told him to call 35:36.400 --> 35:38.080 his wife, pick him up, towed his car. 35:38.660 --> 35:41.440 And I look back on that and I'm like, I was 26. 35:41.600 --> 35:42.580 That man was in his 60s. 35:42.580 --> 35:44.720 He's been driving since longer than I was alive. 35:44.780 --> 35:47.700 And I did that for an extra hour of overtime. 35:48.140 --> 35:49.520 Kind of a piece of shit am I? 35:49.980 --> 35:52.700 So I had an evolution in my own process. 35:52.980 --> 35:55.140 But at the time I was like, dude, yeah, got him. 35:55.300 --> 35:56.280 Got on the stat for the day. 35:56.500 --> 35:57.980 Got my cuffs on somebody else for the day. 35:58.200 --> 36:00.640 But when we're progressing out of this, this intel 36:00.640 --> 36:04.500 and all of this, you take the integrity out of law 36:04.500 --> 36:07.180 enforcement because now it's shooting fish in a barrel. 36:07.180 --> 36:10.580 Now it's just run this data collecting center. 36:10.640 --> 36:12.480 And it's almost like automated sales. 36:13.160 --> 36:15.760 Instead of you going out and getting your own leads, 36:15.860 --> 36:17.880 the leads are pumped to you and you got to go do the job. 36:18.100 --> 36:20.160 I think it takes the integrity out of police work. 36:20.780 --> 36:22.920 I think it's pure revenue generation. 36:23.940 --> 36:26.820 And unless they can monitor it into a way, 36:26.960 --> 36:30.180 we're saying, hey, listen, we're leaving all civil warrants 36:30.840 --> 36:33.280 out and any deadbeat, dad warrants, not getting them, 36:33.280 --> 36:36.240 and any warrants, it's nonviolent. 36:36.900 --> 36:38.980 And it shows up on a flock registry or whatever. 36:39.260 --> 36:40.460 We're not going to get involved with it. 36:40.780 --> 36:43.540 But unless they have that, it's the same thing with DUIs. 36:43.960 --> 36:46.220 Like I would love, I would be open to it. 36:46.320 --> 36:46.740 I would. 36:47.020 --> 36:50.040 I would be open to having to blow into my car 36:50.040 --> 36:51.260 every time to operate it. 36:51.360 --> 36:51.800 That's just me. 36:52.360 --> 36:53.720 Because I'm not giving up a right. 36:54.340 --> 36:56.160 Driving is a privilege, again, depending 36:56.160 --> 36:57.320 upon which way you look at it. 36:57.320 --> 36:58.080 So I'm interested in that. 36:59.340 --> 37:02.160 But why should I do that when the states 37:02.160 --> 37:04.500 could have fixed this problem 20 years ago? 37:05.060 --> 37:06.560 For those who were my age, and you remember, 37:06.780 --> 37:08.400 MAD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, 37:09.020 --> 37:11.580 in most useless organization on the planet, 37:11.960 --> 37:14.840 they have had zero impact on DUIs. 37:15.260 --> 37:17.860 But they have generated how many millions of dollars 37:17.860 --> 37:20.140 for their 5013C people, right? 37:20.600 --> 37:22.540 So you're going to tell me that now, 37:23.320 --> 37:24.660 and this is again where I lost faith, 37:24.780 --> 37:27.120 I wrote 40 DUIs in 2015. 37:27.940 --> 37:28.760 And the last one was a cop. 37:29.300 --> 37:31.340 And I was righteous on all my DUIs. 37:31.340 --> 37:32.400 My reports were flawless. 37:32.540 --> 37:33.360 I was a DUI expert. 37:33.580 --> 37:36.640 And I never went to court for one single one of them. 37:36.780 --> 37:38.940 And I always thought it was because Israel writes 37:38.940 --> 37:39.940 such damn good reports. 37:40.080 --> 37:41.320 We do not want to put this man on the stand. 37:41.420 --> 37:41.820 We will lose. 37:42.200 --> 37:44.560 No, it's because they all got pled 37:44.560 --> 37:46.580 to either reckless driving or something else. 37:47.020 --> 37:49.340 So the state, they want recidivism 37:50.400 --> 37:52.600 because why would I throw someone in jail 37:52.600 --> 37:54.540 for six months for doing it, 37:54.560 --> 37:56.220 for putting other people's lives in danger, 37:56.560 --> 37:57.340 drinking and driving, 37:57.500 --> 37:58.760 when you know how many people you're going to kill, 37:59.040 --> 38:00.440 when I could just let that fish go 38:00.440 --> 38:01.740 because I'm going to catch them in six months. 38:02.620 --> 38:05.020 So all of this shit is nothing more 38:05.020 --> 38:06.040 than revenue generation. 38:06.240 --> 38:07.020 That's all it is. 38:07.220 --> 38:09.060 And it takes the honor and integrity 38:09.060 --> 38:09.900 out of law enforcement. 38:10.180 --> 38:11.740 And I think it's going to get worse. 38:12.480 --> 38:14.260 Yeah, that's a great way to put it, man. 38:14.520 --> 38:17.300 I love hearing former police officers say this shit, dude. 38:17.420 --> 38:19.820 It's so awesome to hear that. 38:20.380 --> 38:21.720 Speaking of a loss of integrity, 38:22.620 --> 38:25.100 like obviously we've had an immigration problem 38:25.100 --> 38:26.020 in this country. 38:26.260 --> 38:28.280 The US has destabilized so much of the planet 38:28.280 --> 38:30.880 that we have a large influx of refugees 38:30.880 --> 38:35.640 and a large influx of some of this criminal elements as well. 38:36.380 --> 38:38.280 And so ICE has been deployed 38:38.280 --> 38:40.220 to multiple states across the country. 38:40.820 --> 38:43.240 And we've seen some pretty terrifying things from them, 38:43.420 --> 38:47.260 like the killings of Renee Nicole Good and Alex Pretty. 38:47.580 --> 38:49.420 That was by these masked agents 38:49.420 --> 38:52.740 and they kind of look like an occupying army, 38:52.920 --> 38:55.400 like the occupying army that our forefathers warned us about 38:55.400 --> 38:57.520 that we wake up homeless on this land. 38:57.520 --> 39:00.980 They even refused, like, medics to get close to them 39:00.980 --> 39:03.060 and they claim self-defense. 39:03.260 --> 39:04.780 I mean, we don't have to get into that at all. 39:05.120 --> 39:06.140 But it was weird. 39:06.240 --> 39:07.860 Like, you watched that case unfold 39:07.860 --> 39:11.860 and depending on what side of the political aisle you were on, 39:11.960 --> 39:14.640 you could predict exactly what someone was going to come 39:14.640 --> 39:16.000 to a conclusion based on that. 39:16.440 --> 39:17.340 It's disgusting. 39:17.620 --> 39:18.040 And it's disgusting. 39:18.400 --> 39:19.280 You're actually wrong. 39:20.740 --> 39:22.880 Renee Good and Pretty were not killed. 39:23.000 --> 39:23.460 They were murdered. 39:23.900 --> 39:24.580 Yeah, exact. 39:24.740 --> 39:25.040 Thank you. 39:25.040 --> 39:27.520 And that has nothing to do with who I voted for, 39:27.600 --> 39:28.220 any of that shit. 39:28.420 --> 39:29.940 I just have objective reality. 39:30.240 --> 39:32.220 I voted for Trump and I supported Trump 39:32.220 --> 39:36.180 and I vehemently opposed what ICE did. 39:36.300 --> 39:39.500 And ICE were nothing more than savage domestic terrorists. 39:40.400 --> 39:41.080 Yeah, okay, good. 39:41.180 --> 39:42.120 That was my question. 39:42.220 --> 39:44.360 I wanted to get your opinion on these people 39:44.360 --> 39:45.360 that are covering their faces. 39:45.780 --> 39:47.560 Two things can be true at the same time. 39:47.700 --> 39:48.660 Two things can be true at the same time. 39:49.000 --> 39:50.600 I worked, the town I worked in, 39:50.640 --> 39:53.000 he had about 60 to 65% Hispanic population 39:53.000 --> 39:55.740 from the border, tons of illegals. 39:56.040 --> 39:56.680 Got to the point. 39:56.820 --> 39:58.640 We were deporting people all the time, 39:59.500 --> 40:00.740 2001 through 2003. 40:01.320 --> 40:03.260 If you had a suspended, we arrested you. 40:03.820 --> 40:05.600 What we did is we held you for INS. 40:06.040 --> 40:07.120 We transported you to County. 40:07.580 --> 40:08.640 You had your bond hearing at County. 40:09.200 --> 40:09.880 INS would come. 40:09.980 --> 40:10.860 They would make the determination 40:10.860 --> 40:12.660 whether or not that they would take you back 40:12.660 --> 40:13.300 over the border. 40:13.760 --> 40:15.920 So we were already doing it in a different process. 40:16.060 --> 40:17.240 And then one day the state attorney said, 40:17.560 --> 40:18.660 you guys are deporting too many people. 40:18.840 --> 40:19.120 Stop it. 40:19.440 --> 40:20.340 Stop what the INS holds. 40:20.500 --> 40:20.960 Okay, fine. 40:20.960 --> 40:24.860 I said, I have a reality-based view 40:24.860 --> 40:28.340 on culture and criminality. 40:28.660 --> 40:31.700 I have the biggest soft spot 40:31.700 --> 40:35.000 for the Hispanic culture on the planet. 40:35.360 --> 40:38.240 No one treated us better than they did. 40:38.560 --> 40:40.680 Not whites, not blacks, not Asians, 40:41.100 --> 40:42.980 not Middle Easterns, none Hispanics. 40:43.400 --> 40:45.980 Hispanics traditionally will come over here 40:45.980 --> 40:48.460 and you know what they do. 40:48.460 --> 40:50.260 They work two, three jobs 40:50.260 --> 40:53.060 and they send a lot of their funds back home to Mexico. 40:53.420 --> 40:55.980 That was my original problem years ago 40:55.980 --> 40:58.880 when I was working retail in the bar industry. 40:59.060 --> 41:01.560 Ah, these Mexicans sending their money back home. 41:01.640 --> 41:02.120 What do I care? 41:02.800 --> 41:03.920 What does that mean to you? 41:04.240 --> 41:04.940 It means nothing. 41:05.540 --> 41:08.900 When I got to know the truth about the Hispanic culture, 41:09.580 --> 41:12.120 none, the mothers and fathers 41:12.120 --> 41:16.000 who came here illegally were never the problem, 41:16.520 --> 41:17.820 never to a degree. 41:17.820 --> 41:20.060 It was their kids that they had here 41:20.060 --> 41:22.040 who became Americanized, 41:22.160 --> 41:23.920 mom and dad didn't speak English 41:23.920 --> 41:25.480 and they knew they could manipulate. 41:25.800 --> 41:27.980 They would join Sir Thirteen's, Latin Kings, 41:28.120 --> 41:29.000 those were the troublemakers. 41:29.460 --> 41:31.920 At the very most, 41:32.080 --> 41:34.200 there was a criminal element 41:34.820 --> 41:36.400 with the Hispanic culture 41:36.400 --> 41:41.520 but it was a severely unreported element. 41:42.060 --> 41:44.100 We had a lot of drinking and driving 41:44.100 --> 41:45.160 was done by Hispanics 41:45.160 --> 41:45.980 because Hispanic men, 41:45.980 --> 41:47.400 I've said this very publicly, 41:47.400 --> 41:48.280 they love to drink. 41:48.360 --> 41:50.040 They love to drink and they love to do cocaine. 41:50.280 --> 41:52.860 They do coke because they're working two or three jobs 41:52.860 --> 41:55.080 and provide for family. 41:55.320 --> 41:56.560 Mom is at home, traditional. 41:57.220 --> 42:00.380 She is raising three kids, 42:00.960 --> 42:02.980 four kids, sending them to school, 42:03.800 --> 42:06.820 laundry, cleaning, food, this and that, all this. 42:07.240 --> 42:09.040 Their households, and for the most part, 42:09.160 --> 42:09.540 they're Catholics, 42:09.900 --> 42:10.720 they're more conservative, 42:10.980 --> 42:11.940 which always blew me away. 42:12.320 --> 42:14.120 The Hispanic culture who's here is more conservative 42:14.120 --> 42:14.840 than most conservatives, 42:15.080 --> 42:15.840 and yet our conservatives 42:15.840 --> 42:17.880 during this time are condemning them, blows me away. 42:18.160 --> 42:22.340 But we did have a massive problem 42:22.340 --> 42:24.300 with sexual assaults 42:24.300 --> 42:26.020 because what would happen is you'd have 42:26.540 --> 42:29.000 two families living in a single family home 42:29.000 --> 42:30.960 and if you know anything about Hispanic men, 42:31.580 --> 42:33.220 they can fix a diesel truck 42:33.220 --> 42:34.600 with a screwdriver and duct tape. 42:34.740 --> 42:35.680 They're just ingenious. 42:36.060 --> 42:37.700 So you would take the partitioned 42:37.700 --> 42:38.940 single family home 42:38.940 --> 42:39.860 and you would have family upstairs, 42:40.060 --> 42:40.540 family downstairs. 42:41.200 --> 42:43.600 You're bringing your culture over into this world. 42:43.600 --> 42:45.700 Hispanic men, they used to do, 42:45.940 --> 42:48.060 it was, and these are, of course, generalizations, 42:48.740 --> 42:50.860 do coke all day long, Monday through Friday to work, 42:50.920 --> 42:52.280 then come Friday night, Friday and Saturday, 42:52.400 --> 42:54.040 they're drinking like crazy to unwind. 42:54.380 --> 42:56.480 Well, you'd have a daughter downstairs 42:56.480 --> 42:58.200 who's 14, 15 years old, 42:58.580 --> 43:00.320 looking kind of good according to him 43:00.320 --> 43:02.240 and some handsy things would go on. 43:02.820 --> 43:05.460 It rarely ever got reported 43:06.020 --> 43:07.940 because the mother of the home, 43:08.000 --> 43:10.220 either side, they're not going to call police 43:10.220 --> 43:11.460 because they don't want police there 43:11.460 --> 43:13.680 because then you're going to arrest and deport 43:13.680 --> 43:14.620 the breadwinner of the home. 43:15.140 --> 43:17.720 So you have a certain type of criminal element 43:17.720 --> 43:18.680 in the home, right? 43:19.040 --> 43:19.980 So when I looked at it, 43:20.480 --> 43:22.820 okay, DUIs as a cop, I can knock that down. 43:23.560 --> 43:24.520 Criminal sexual assault, 43:24.760 --> 43:25.660 man, unless they're calling, 43:25.860 --> 43:26.880 I can't do anything about it. 43:27.360 --> 43:28.680 Shithead kids who are gang members, 43:28.820 --> 43:29.980 I could still do something about that. 43:30.320 --> 43:31.320 But deport them. 43:31.920 --> 43:33.160 What am I deporting people 43:33.160 --> 43:35.640 who are some of the highest functioning 43:35.640 --> 43:38.140 contributors to society in our neighborhoods? 43:38.860 --> 43:40.740 How much money do they pump into our economies 43:41.560 --> 43:42.860 every single day? 43:43.240 --> 43:44.460 When I saw what ICE was doing 43:44.460 --> 43:46.040 and I saw their tactics 43:46.040 --> 43:48.280 and then I saw the Renee Good shooting, 43:48.460 --> 43:50.000 Renee Good murder execution 43:50.000 --> 43:51.220 and I couldn't believe, 43:51.800 --> 43:54.180 excuse me, how many people supported. 43:54.700 --> 43:56.060 And that's the thing about law enforcement. 43:56.500 --> 43:58.120 When they see an opening, 43:58.520 --> 43:59.660 even the blue line bootlickers, 44:00.120 --> 44:01.660 they will stretch everything. 44:01.860 --> 44:04.040 Renee Good was transforming 44:04.040 --> 44:07.500 into an interdimensional third-plane demon 44:07.500 --> 44:08.880 from outer space 44:08.880 --> 44:11.240 and she was giving the looks of lasers 44:11.240 --> 44:12.900 out of her eyes to, 44:12.980 --> 44:14.260 I can't remember what his name was, 44:14.580 --> 44:15.900 the ICE agent. 44:16.520 --> 44:19.380 So they'll never acknowledge, 44:19.980 --> 44:21.020 well here's Renee Good 44:21.540 --> 44:24.160 who could have activated fight or flight, 44:24.700 --> 44:26.080 who's on body camera saying, 44:26.240 --> 44:27.280 I'm not mad at you dude, 44:27.660 --> 44:28.500 or a phone camera. 44:28.760 --> 44:29.660 I'm not mad at you dude, whatever. 44:30.140 --> 44:31.900 And then when a grown man is pulling 44:31.900 --> 44:32.820 on her door 44:33.420 --> 44:35.080 and scaring the shit out of her 44:35.080 --> 44:36.540 because she's got one man in front of her, 44:36.540 --> 44:37.800 one man in her door, 44:38.320 --> 44:40.040 according to law enforcement 44:40.040 --> 44:41.300 and law enforcement supporters, 44:41.800 --> 44:44.480 it is not possible 44:44.480 --> 44:46.680 that she was in flight mode. 44:47.040 --> 44:48.380 She was only 44:48.380 --> 44:50.180 in fight mode 44:50.180 --> 44:52.960 and she 100% 44:52.960 --> 44:54.080 intended 44:54.080 --> 44:56.660 to run over that ICE agent. 44:57.060 --> 44:59.140 Now, in that same video 44:59.140 --> 44:59.980 that we saw, 45:00.660 --> 45:01.640 the ICE agent 45:02.190 --> 45:02.960 who says, 45:03.780 --> 45:04.680 effing bitch 45:04.680 --> 45:06.760 after he shoots her three times, 45:06.900 --> 45:08.600 it's not possible 45:08.600 --> 45:10.840 that he is intent was the killer. 45:10.920 --> 45:12.940 He was in fear for his safety. 45:13.260 --> 45:14.860 We're not going to talk about the fact 45:14.860 --> 45:17.160 that maybe he's worked six, seven days in a row 45:17.160 --> 45:19.280 in the same uniform, 12 hours a day 45:19.280 --> 45:20.240 dealing with shitty people 45:20.240 --> 45:23.580 and his own wife was a legal immigrant. 45:23.860 --> 45:24.460 So he 45:24.460 --> 45:27.040 has a bias against those who are here illegally. 45:27.380 --> 45:29.220 He's a devout Christian Catholic 45:29.220 --> 45:31.180 so we're not going to take into consideration 45:31.180 --> 45:32.680 maybe he hates lesbians 45:32.680 --> 45:34.780 and it's not a possibility, Izzo. 45:35.040 --> 45:37.320 It is not a possibility that he got tired 45:37.320 --> 45:39.000 of these bull dykes on scene 45:39.000 --> 45:40.980 blocking the road in which they didn't 45:41.500 --> 45:43.380 didn't block. So she went to run him over 45:43.380 --> 45:45.260 he pumps three rounds in her. He just said 45:45.260 --> 45:47.380 effing bitch because he was frustrated. 45:47.920 --> 45:48.320 So 45:49.460 --> 45:51.100 it's insane. And I even 45:51.100 --> 45:52.800 brought up the case in Freddie. 45:53.300 --> 45:55.300 I said, you know, this is going to be a piss 45:55.300 --> 45:56.300 a lot of people off, but 45:56.780 --> 45:59.360 you just watched cops violate 45:59.360 --> 46:00.340 1st Amendment 46:00.840 --> 46:03.340 and then they violated the 4th Amendment to go to 46:03.340 --> 46:04.140 kidnap him 46:04.900 --> 46:06.940 if the, I think his name was Daniel 46:06.940 --> 46:09.160 Freddie or whatever it was. Alex Freddie. 46:09.320 --> 46:11.120 Alex Freddie. If the Alex Freddie 46:11.120 --> 46:11.880 case 46:12.600 --> 46:13.560 was not 46:13.560 --> 46:15.360 the definitive 46:16.740 --> 46:18.800 incident to prove the necessity 46:18.800 --> 46:21.080 of using the 2nd Amendment against law 46:21.080 --> 46:23.020 enforcement, I don't know what is. 46:23.600 --> 46:25.320 Yeah. I'm going to tell you straight out 46:25.320 --> 46:26.740 and this is my professional opinion 46:26.740 --> 46:28.340 based on and I've been 46:28.340 --> 46:30.600 I lost thousands and 46:30.600 --> 46:32.660 thousands of followers on all social media 46:32.660 --> 46:34.440 platform for criticizing 46:34.440 --> 46:37.060 and condemning ICE's actions. You want to 46:37.060 --> 46:38.140 deport? Fine. 46:38.460 --> 46:40.740 Treat these people like effing human 46:40.740 --> 46:41.940 beings and they weren't doing it. 46:42.380 --> 46:44.800 And now you're seeing they weren't trained 46:44.800 --> 46:46.860 they're flagging each other during training 46:46.860 --> 46:48.700 they're having negligent discharge and 46:48.700 --> 46:50.860 training. They have 48 days of online 46:50.860 --> 46:52.540 training. These are people who are rejected 46:52.540 --> 46:54.640 from different departments who couldn't make 46:54.640 --> 46:56.660 it. We are weekend warriors 46:56.660 --> 46:58.560 all of this. I would 46:58.560 --> 47:00.480 have been fine. I make 47:00.480 --> 47:02.360 no apologies for this. If 47:02.360 --> 47:04.360 Alex Freddie had got up and 47:04.360 --> 47:06.260 and deployed his firearm 47:06.260 --> 47:08.540 and defended himself successfully 47:08.540 --> 47:10.060 and ICE agents or 47:10.500 --> 47:12.580 Homeland Security or Border Patrol agents had died 47:12.580 --> 47:14.540 at that. That would have been 47:14.540 --> 47:16.360 a win for the Constitution 47:16.360 --> 47:18.460 and I have no apologies for that statement. 47:19.280 --> 47:20.480 I love it. You know 47:20.480 --> 47:22.740 we actually published an article 47:22.740 --> 47:24.660 I don't know at least a decade ago 47:24.660 --> 47:26.220 by the great Larkin Rose 47:26.740 --> 47:28.820 actually detailing exactly when 47:28.820 --> 47:30.700 you should actually use 47:30.700 --> 47:32.700 lethal force against a cop 47:32.700 --> 47:34.700 and I know even within our community 47:34.700 --> 47:36.700 of police accountability activists that was 47:36.700 --> 47:38.640 even kind of regarded as taboo 47:38.640 --> 47:40.800 like a conversation that was just a little too far 47:40.800 --> 47:42.660 outside of the boundaries of the 47:42.660 --> 47:44.180 allowable opinions you know and 47:44.740 --> 47:45.940 I think at this point 47:46.700 --> 47:48.520 it is a conversation that should be had and 47:48.520 --> 47:50.340 especially in that case you're just highlighting 47:50.340 --> 47:52.560 I mean if at all times exactly 47:52.560 --> 47:54.220 that's when it should self-defense 47:54.220 --> 47:56.420 should be paramount and should be justified 47:56.420 --> 47:58.420 but I do feel like we've 47:58.420 --> 47:59.940 you know over the years we've seen 47:59.940 --> 48:02.380 example after example situation 48:02.380 --> 48:04.180 after situation where 48:04.180 --> 48:06.360 cops aren't necessarily doing the right 48:06.360 --> 48:08.340 thing they're not de-escalating but they're actually 48:08.340 --> 48:10.580 escalating because they know it can be legally 48:10.580 --> 48:12.860 justified somehow. All the time 48:12.860 --> 48:14.620 all the time every single 48:14.620 --> 48:16.780 so you know it is 48:16.780 --> 48:18.460 frustrating to me 48:18.460 --> 48:20.420 to see that and especially when 48:20.420 --> 48:22.680 we throw ice into the equation 48:22.680 --> 48:24.640 and these people are militarized and 48:24.640 --> 48:26.540 I kind of it kind of touches on 48:26.540 --> 48:28.380 the larger police culture question that I 48:28.380 --> 48:30.440 wanted to address with you here because 48:30.440 --> 48:32.360 you know we've seen everything I'm sure 48:32.360 --> 48:34.400 you've seen it all too but the brutality videos 48:34.400 --> 48:35.700 the misconduct reports 48:36.300 --> 48:38.580 you know police involved with sexual abuse 48:38.580 --> 48:40.320 and sexual exploitation and 48:40.320 --> 48:42.540 I mean all that stuff but a lot 48:42.540 --> 48:43.840 of it it seems like 48:44.390 --> 48:46.580 is the same personality type over and 48:46.580 --> 48:48.580 over again it's the hotheaded cop with the chip 48:48.580 --> 48:50.520 on his shoulder the ego that 48:50.520 --> 48:52.060 the contempt of cop attitude 48:52.580 --> 48:54.600 where the disrespect feels like a 48:54.600 --> 48:56.500 bigger offense than an actual crime 48:56.500 --> 48:58.540 and it's not just police now but it's 48:58.540 --> 49:00.580 also ice that's very much adopting 49:00.580 --> 49:02.560 this type of mentality so it 49:02.560 --> 49:04.420 makes me kind of wonder if the badge is 49:04.420 --> 49:06.680 a magnet for these certain personalities 49:06.680 --> 49:08.480 or if it's the culture itself that 49:08.480 --> 49:10.060 shapes people into that mindset 49:10.500 --> 49:12.420 and don't get me wrong I know it's not an easy 49:12.420 --> 49:13.940 job but I was 49:13.940 --> 49:16.000 this yes it is 49:16.000 --> 49:17.060 don't for one second think it's not 49:18.660 --> 49:19.940 well I meant 49:19.940 --> 49:21.980 in the sense of dealing with people at their worst 49:21.980 --> 49:23.440 in their most difficult situation 49:23.440 --> 49:25.860 every cop lives for that the hardest 49:25.860 --> 49:27.840 part about the law enforcement is administration 49:27.840 --> 49:29.980 that's it anytime you see a cop 49:29.980 --> 49:32.160 kill themselves I never 49:33.040 --> 49:34.080 you'll never see me 49:34.080 --> 49:35.660 post any cop up online that says 49:36.740 --> 49:37.760 we've got your six 49:37.760 --> 49:40.020 end of watch because I don't know the character of the cop 49:40.020 --> 49:41.580 I don't know somebody killed 49:41.580 --> 49:43.580 like somebody killed themselves out here by me 49:43.580 --> 49:45.800 a couple towns over law enforcement everyone's sharing their pictures 49:45.800 --> 49:47.700 I'm going I don't know I have no idea 49:47.700 --> 49:49.340 how he treated the public I don't care 49:49.340 --> 49:51.720 right but I want to I want to touch 49:51.720 --> 49:53.060 on something because I have a theory 49:54.100 --> 49:56.040 de-escalation and the militarization 49:56.040 --> 49:57.820 of police in this and that I want to make a statement 49:58.360 --> 49:59.380 I would rather 49:59.380 --> 50:01.640 threat violence than 50:01.640 --> 50:02.800 use it now 50:04.120 --> 50:04.920 I love 50:06.120 --> 50:07.100 violence call me 50:07.100 --> 50:09.480 only an interim dude I don't care I've been 50:09.480 --> 50:10.920 wrestling coaching 50:11.480 --> 50:13.540 martial arts you name it since I was a kid 50:13.540 --> 50:15.480 I love violent movies 50:15.480 --> 50:17.300 but I also I have so much 50:17.300 --> 50:19.840 fear and respect for it 50:19.840 --> 50:21.700 there is nothing that feels 50:21.700 --> 50:23.960 good like it's such a disgusting 50:23.960 --> 50:25.920 feeling when you go from 50:25.920 --> 50:27.880 like the it's a 50:27.880 --> 50:30.480 it's a transition when you go to want and you're ready to kick someone's ass 50:30.480 --> 50:31.660 and the second that 50:31.660 --> 50:33.560 contact is made you 50:33.560 --> 50:35.380 instantly feel this disgusting 50:35.380 --> 50:37.620 feeling of I just heard another human 50:37.620 --> 50:39.780 being and mostly it's because of my ego 50:39.780 --> 50:41.680 so I would rather never 50:42.140 --> 50:43.760 now I would rather show up 50:43.760 --> 50:45.680 and you look at me and go I'm not trying 50:45.680 --> 50:47.580 this guy when it comes 50:47.580 --> 50:49.980 to militarization I tried to balance that 50:49.980 --> 50:51.840 out a little bit I wasn't all mollied 50:51.840 --> 50:53.500 up on my external my external best 50:53.500 --> 50:55.720 carrier cover I made sure in the wintertime I always 50:55.720 --> 50:57.660 wore a tie boots were shined 50:57.660 --> 50:59.840 but you looked at me and it was like alright 50:59.840 --> 51:01.620 I'm not going to test this man 51:01.620 --> 51:03.820 because I would rather have you go 51:03.820 --> 51:05.880 take that badge off man you'll see 51:05.880 --> 51:07.780 I'll tell if you are call me out seven ways 51:07.780 --> 51:09.420 seven days from Sunday but 51:09.420 --> 51:11.560 if my presence and my 51:11.560 --> 51:13.560 look and I look like 51:13.560 --> 51:15.880 I'm Johnny badass and I look like 51:15.880 --> 51:17.900 I'm militarization if that got you 51:17.900 --> 51:19.900 to just turn around a little bit easier 51:19.900 --> 51:21.780 and put your hands behind your back well that's 51:21.780 --> 51:23.920 de-escalation de-escalation 51:23.920 --> 51:25.320 the problem is 51:25.820 --> 51:27.740 this generation happened right around 51:27.740 --> 51:29.840 2000 when we started 51:29.840 --> 51:31.740 hiring cops 51:31.740 --> 51:33.760 from this social media 51:33.760 --> 51:35.700 generation female cops 51:35.700 --> 51:38.020 DEI the 30 by 30 51:38.020 --> 51:39.980 you have opened up 51:39.980 --> 51:41.860 an entire floodgate 51:41.860 --> 51:44.000 of people who were 51:44.580 --> 51:45.760 raised in a day 51:45.760 --> 51:47.580 in age where they don't have social 51:47.580 --> 51:49.060 cues whatsoever 51:49.620 --> 51:51.800 if we're all the same age we remember 51:52.340 --> 51:53.860 the excitement of going 51:53.860 --> 51:55.840 up to the girl if you were like me you 51:55.840 --> 51:57.800 were you were pussy so you waited until 8th hour 51:57.800 --> 51:58.780 right for the 51:58.780 --> 52:01.800 hey so we would you like to go out with me this weekend 52:01.800 --> 52:03.360 so when she rejected you 52:03.360 --> 52:05.580 well you don't have to suffer the rest of the day you just go home 52:05.580 --> 52:07.540 and you ride in the bus in shame but we remember 52:07.540 --> 52:09.580 getting rejected and being like oh wow 52:09.580 --> 52:11.640 hey you have to build up that courage 52:11.640 --> 52:13.860 and it felt so good asking 52:13.860 --> 52:15.700 a girl out well today if she sent a text 52:15.700 --> 52:18.140 you up so this current generation 52:18.140 --> 52:19.620 has no idea 52:19.620 --> 52:21.160 the interact with police 52:22.560 --> 52:23.360 and college 52:23.360 --> 52:25.740 you're taking these college educated kids who've 52:25.740 --> 52:26.960 never had their ass kicked in life 52:26.960 --> 52:29.500 struggle to pay bills struggle to pay rent 52:29.500 --> 52:31.440 you're now putting them in a position to make 52:31.440 --> 52:33.280 decisions over working class 52:33.280 --> 52:35.840 adults poverty people rich people whatever it is 52:35.840 --> 52:37.480 any you have the freedom 52:37.480 --> 52:39.700 excuse me you have the right and responsibility 52:40.260 --> 52:41.460 not right you have 52:41.460 --> 52:43.540 the privilege and responsibility take away 52:43.540 --> 52:45.260 somebody's freedom if you can articulate it 52:45.260 --> 52:47.500 and then you throw your pride into it and then all 52:47.500 --> 52:49.400 of a sudden what social media 52:49.400 --> 52:51.440 did for these cops is you 52:51.440 --> 52:53.080 you take someone and this is this is the 52:53.080 --> 52:55.520 tick-tock generation of cop and this is where I'm ultimately going 52:55.520 --> 52:57.460 to tie this in with ice because people have been saying 52:57.460 --> 52:59.400 for years they're going to federalize federalize the police 52:59.400 --> 53:01.540 and I said no they're not no they're not I think 53:01.540 --> 53:02.880 it's coming faster than people realize 53:03.460 --> 53:05.400 I think what happened in the last five years five 53:05.400 --> 53:07.520 six years is you saw a flood 53:07.520 --> 53:09.380 of getting rid of the old timers 53:09.380 --> 53:11.560 policy changers bringing 53:11.560 --> 53:13.540 people on who literally can't do the 53:13.540 --> 53:15.360 job I am 100% 53:16.480 --> 53:17.280 anti-female 53:17.280 --> 53:19.480 cop and I've talked about it several 53:19.480 --> 53:21.580 times I get so much hate for it it's not that 53:21.580 --> 53:23.700 they can't do the job it's that they can't do the job 53:23.700 --> 53:25.620 it's as simple as that and it's not about 53:25.620 --> 53:27.480 just physicality it's simply not 53:27.480 --> 53:29.800 but if you're a female and you see this 53:29.800 --> 53:31.280 there's quite a bit go look on tick-tock 53:31.280 --> 53:33.020 you look at people who 53:33.620 --> 53:35.800 they get the badge and the next thing 53:35.800 --> 53:37.740 you know they start a new tick-tock account 53:38.480 --> 53:39.740 because when you were 53:39.740 --> 53:41.780 talking about an issue that was important to you 53:41.780 --> 53:43.380 you being a Muslim 53:44.000 --> 53:44.480 LGBTQ 53:45.980 --> 53:47.860 Democrat conservative whatever nobody 53:47.860 --> 53:49.160 listened to you 53:49.160 --> 53:51.740 but the second you put that badge on 53:51.740 --> 53:53.460 now of a sudden you got five ten 53:53.460 --> 53:55.020 fifteen thousand people following you 53:55.020 --> 53:56.820 and it's hashtag LGBTQ 53:57.200 --> 53:59.400 cop that is so true man there's 53:59.400 --> 54:01.260 an overwhelming number of 54:01.260 --> 54:02.840 female cops on tick-tock 54:02.840 --> 54:04.720 well so look what that's doing 54:05.360 --> 54:06.300 now of a sudden 54:06.300 --> 54:09.040 instead of getting the badge to serve the 54:09.040 --> 54:11.120 public the badge serves their 54:11.120 --> 54:13.260 social agenda this is what 54:13.260 --> 54:14.300 I think that they're doing 54:14.300 --> 54:16.900 I think when you 54:18.140 --> 54:19.120 years ago 54:19.120 --> 54:21.280 when you tested you'd have a thousand 54:21.280 --> 54:22.440 people show up to a test 54:23.080 --> 54:25.140 they I've never seen in my entire time of 54:25.140 --> 54:26.680 being a cop departments 54:27.280 --> 54:28.820 actively recruiting on social media 54:28.820 --> 54:31.460 I've never seen this it's like now we're testing 54:31.460 --> 54:33.100 next week we're testing next week I've never 54:33.100 --> 54:35.100 seen this before you would have people lined 54:35.100 --> 54:37.000 about the door it's like your number three 54:37.000 --> 54:39.320 on the list and then you cry cried 54:39.320 --> 54:41.200 the day I got my acceptance letter because 54:41.200 --> 54:43.180 I knew how difficult it was now they're 54:43.180 --> 54:44.080 hiring anybody but 54:44.080 --> 54:45.840 now you cycle in 54:45.840 --> 54:48.600 an average lifespan of three to five years 54:48.600 --> 54:51.020 on the job because by year five you see 54:51.020 --> 54:53.080 what the job is and go I got to do what 54:53.080 --> 54:54.700 I don't want to listen to what the serge 54:54.700 --> 54:56.740 says anymore when a serge 54:56.740 --> 54:58.540 what do you mean we got to go to one two three main street 54:58.540 --> 55:00.700 because you know some guys girlfriend said he's 55:00.700 --> 55:02.580 depressed and we got to go red flag as 55:02.580 --> 55:04.600 guns that unconstitutional well then 55:04.600 --> 55:06.800 now they can start to threaten 55:06.800 --> 55:08.400 them you do what we say or 55:08.400 --> 55:10.160 you know your social media has got to go 55:10.160 --> 55:12.540 and when you do that now you have two 55:12.540 --> 55:14.460 things the social media serves social media 55:14.460 --> 55:16.540 serves as an echo chamber to get somebody so 55:16.540 --> 55:18.640 focused on themselves that they're like I 55:18.640 --> 55:20.520 don't need the job anymore so they leave the 55:20.520 --> 55:22.600 job but it also serves as wow 55:22.600 --> 55:24.120 look at all these cops who are getting 55:24.120 --> 55:26.000 popularity on social media by being cops 55:26.000 --> 55:28.060 that's why I want to be a cop so they have a 55:28.060 --> 55:30.320 never-ending cycle and 55:30.320 --> 55:32.300 formal of yes men who are 55:32.300 --> 55:33.940 doing the job when you do that 55:34.480 --> 55:36.420 you increase the level of violence on the 55:36.420 --> 55:38.140 street you increase the 55:38.140 --> 55:40.360 unarmed shootings Colorado Aurora 55:40.360 --> 55:42.400 Colorado has had 55:42.400 --> 55:44.340 two unarmed shootings in the last year 55:44.340 --> 55:46.520 both not even remotely 55:46.520 --> 55:48.180 close to justified one 55:48.180 --> 55:50.000 one cop Brandon Mills 55:50.000 --> 55:52.160 shoots and kills a man 55:52.160 --> 55:54.220 and on body camera 55:54.220 --> 55:56.580 says no he's not armed he knew 55:56.580 --> 55:58.440 he was not armed and 55:58.440 --> 56:00.400 he shot him because he could not do anything 56:00.400 --> 56:02.240 else Mustang police 56:02.240 --> 56:03.860 Mustang police 56:03.860 --> 56:06.000 rookie police officer was hired in 56:06.000 --> 56:06.660 2023 56:08.100 --> 56:10.240 right or his officer right 56:10.240 --> 56:12.300 shows up to a mental health subject 56:12.300 --> 56:14.120 the mental health subject 56:14.120 --> 56:15.960 is seen jogging in her 56:15.960 --> 56:17.720 general direction stops looks at her 56:17.720 --> 56:19.260 she puts her hand right in her pistol 56:19.900 --> 56:22.120 no she can't use force so she goes to her taser 56:22.120 --> 56:24.220 the man did nothing wrong he was just having a mental 56:24.220 --> 56:26.000 health episode he's no shirts 56:26.000 --> 56:28.140 shirts on shorts only no jeans 56:28.140 --> 56:30.040 no socks no shoes and he's holding a 56:30.040 --> 56:32.380 pair of gloves white gloves 56:32.380 --> 56:34.060 in his hands ultimately 56:34.060 --> 56:36.100 taser doesn't work she shoots and kills him 56:36.100 --> 56:37.800 at the press conference 56:38.360 --> 56:40.260 she's cleared of any wrong 56:40.260 --> 56:42.200 doing the chief wallace is where 56:42.200 --> 56:44.340 chief wallace of the Mustang police 56:44.340 --> 56:45.740 Oklahoma says 56:46.220 --> 56:47.300 it appeared 56:47.800 --> 56:49.200 that Juan Barbosa 56:49.200 --> 56:50.980 was potentially 56:51.820 --> 56:53.800 intending to inflict 56:53.800 --> 56:56.460 lethal bodily force on right 56:56.460 --> 56:57.660 it 56:58.220 --> 56:58.800 appeared 56:59.960 --> 57:00.540 Barbosa 57:00.540 --> 57:03.380 intended to potentially 57:03.880 --> 57:04.980 I've never 57:04.980 --> 57:07.460 ever ever heard that 57:07.460 --> 57:10.080 a officer right what was in this subject's 57:10.080 --> 57:11.420 hands I don't know 57:11.420 --> 57:13.780 then why'd you shoot him because it appeared 57:13.780 --> 57:15.260 so you're a mind reader 57:15.260 --> 57:17.400 that he intended to 57:17.400 --> 57:19.860 so when you put more people 57:19.860 --> 57:20.960 like that on the street 57:20.960 --> 57:23.660 that are executing public 57:23.660 --> 57:25.780 right and you cause social division like 57:25.780 --> 57:27.160 with conservatives and liberals 57:27.160 --> 57:29.800 and blah blah and kill and assassinate renae good 57:29.800 --> 57:31.280 assassinate alex predi 57:31.280 --> 57:32.300 well now what do you do 57:32.300 --> 57:35.520 we clearly have an insurmountable 57:35.520 --> 57:37.000 problem with the criminal elements 57:37.460 --> 57:39.160 in our culture because 57:39.160 --> 57:41.300 we vilified the cops that look like iso 57:41.300 --> 57:42.900 because we don't want them on the street 57:42.900 --> 57:44.660 because they look too militarized 57:44.660 --> 57:47.100 they threat violence so we're gonna put 57:47.100 --> 57:49.060 inept cops who have no social skills 57:49.060 --> 57:51.380 don't look the part who can't do the job 57:51.380 --> 57:53.140 who use too much excessive force 57:53.140 --> 57:55.380 who contribute to a 30 by 30 57:55.380 --> 57:57.420 agenda that says that females they don't use 57:57.420 --> 57:59.060 excessive force when physically it's 57:59.060 --> 58:01.340 impossible for a female to use excessive 58:01.340 --> 58:03.380 force on a male and then you 58:03.380 --> 58:04.100 create a problem 58:04.100 --> 58:06.560 our crimes out of control what do we do 58:07.220 --> 58:09.120 we're gonna exercise ice and federalize them 58:09.120 --> 58:11.100 as the police we're gonna militarize 58:11.100 --> 58:13.520 ice they're gonna become the weaponized 58:13.520 --> 58:15.240 agents of the government and that's what we're gonna do 58:15.240 --> 58:17.440 it's a long winded theory but I think 58:17.440 --> 58:18.700 that's ultimately the direction they're gonna go 58:19.380 --> 58:20.960 well not to mention the national guard 58:20.960 --> 58:22.960 on our streets and yeah 58:22.960 --> 58:25.320 I could certainly vouch too for 58:25.320 --> 58:26.420 you know at least 58:26.920 --> 58:29.000 numbers wise a lot of the videos 58:29.000 --> 58:30.820 and articles that have come across our 58:30.820 --> 58:32.720 our radar not all of them of course but 58:32.720 --> 58:34.260 we're involving women officers 58:34.860 --> 58:36.880 and yeah it just doesn't 58:36.880 --> 58:38.660 seem like a recipe for success 58:38.660 --> 58:40.800 unfortunately so I'll 58:40.800 --> 58:42.620 yeah I'll certainly cosign on that 58:42.620 --> 58:45.260 speaking to your point about the militarized 58:45.260 --> 58:47.140 at least the optics the aesthetics 58:47.140 --> 58:49.020 I could understand that I certainly 58:49.020 --> 58:50.700 can understand that in fact there is 58:50.700 --> 58:52.860 a gentleman by the name of Dale Brown 58:52.860 --> 58:54.660 who's actually been on this podcast before 58:54.660 --> 58:56.780 he's a friend of ours he's responsible 58:56.780 --> 58:58.760 for creating the Detroit 58:58.760 --> 59:01.200 threat management center and it is 59:01.200 --> 59:02.880 basically even though he won't 59:02.880 --> 59:04.500 admit to it privatized 59:04.500 --> 59:06.680 what the name says threat management 59:06.680 --> 59:08.780 center basically a security 59:08.780 --> 59:10.880 protection type of organization 59:10.880 --> 59:13.140 and they are militarized 59:13.140 --> 59:14.880 and even though they haven't had any 59:14.880 --> 59:16.620 type of violent encounters even though 59:16.620 --> 59:18.720 they specialize in threat 59:18.720 --> 59:20.020 management as the name says 59:20.700 --> 59:22.660 they tend to have like a bunch of 59:22.660 --> 59:24.660 different ways to deescalate situations but they 59:24.660 --> 59:26.500 are militarized in the sense that they drive 59:26.500 --> 59:28.580 m-raps they wear the fatigues 59:28.580 --> 59:30.600 the camel fatigues all that 59:30.600 --> 59:32.640 kind of stuff and I do think 59:32.640 --> 59:34.360 at least to your point it 59:34.360 --> 59:36.880 probably gives the illusion to the general 59:36.880 --> 59:38.620 public that these people are in charge 59:38.620 --> 59:40.420 these people have a 59:40.420 --> 59:42.800 you know a stronghold on the situation 59:42.800 --> 59:44.640 they know what they're doing they're not 59:44.640 --> 59:46.760 in charge that you know nobody hates 59:46.760 --> 59:48.460 the first or the second amendment more than cops 59:48.460 --> 59:50.540 do we just don't I'll never 59:50.540 --> 59:52.600 forget again I had my light bulb moment 59:52.600 --> 59:54.420 where we used to be terrified 59:54.420 --> 59:55.900 of people who were armed 59:56.400 --> 59:57.780 and they would go wait why 59:58.300 --> 01:00:00.100 when Illinois passed the conceal and carry law 01:00:00.540 --> 01:00:02.240 Illinois I think is one of only two states 01:00:02.240 --> 01:00:04.000 in the nation at least when I was a cop 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.140 where you had to notify the cop hey by the way 01:00:06.140 --> 01:00:07.760 I'm armed any other state you don't have to 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:09.920 and the first time I dealt with it 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:11.200 pulled the guy over he had a firearm on him 01:00:11.200 --> 01:00:13.100 I was like thank god you're armed 01:00:14.240 --> 01:00:15.720 100% man that's great 01:00:15.720 --> 01:00:18.040 when you say that right threat management center 01:00:18.040 --> 01:00:19.500 well now a sudden you're stating 01:00:20.220 --> 01:00:21.360 everyone's a threat to the police 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.980 well do you know what to be honest 01:00:24.540 --> 01:00:25.500 every American 01:00:26.300 --> 01:00:28.240 should be a threat to the police 01:00:28.240 --> 01:00:29.780 I thought about this for years 01:00:29.780 --> 01:00:31.620 cops are out gunned on the street 01:00:31.620 --> 01:00:32.560 they should be 01:00:33.260 --> 01:00:34.960 every American should own 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:36.680 you want to own a neighbor's tank man 01:00:36.680 --> 01:00:38.980 I'll just be jealous of you because I can't afford it 01:00:40.060 --> 01:00:41.020 gunship helicopter 01:00:41.020 --> 01:00:43.000 I don't know how to fly it man I hate you 01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:44.640 but it's not 01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:46.640 we should if you went back 01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.420 to solve the police focusing 01:00:49.420 --> 01:00:50.720 on the Constitution 01:00:51.230 --> 01:00:52.420 you wouldn't have these problems 01:00:52.420 --> 01:00:54.640 if you let Americans to be honest 01:00:54.640 --> 01:00:57.140 I was talking about this on a podcast earlier today 01:00:58.260 --> 01:00:59.540 everybody's afraid of the police 01:00:59.540 --> 01:01:01.340 because we cannot be neighbors anymore 01:01:01.340 --> 01:01:03.340 you can't go outside today 01:01:03.340 --> 01:01:05.520 and if your neighbor dumps 01:01:05.520 --> 01:01:07.540 all their dog shit on your lawn you can't go over 01:01:07.540 --> 01:01:09.640 go hey Joe clean up this 01:01:09.640 --> 01:01:10.940 you and I are going to have a problem 01:01:10.940 --> 01:01:13.880 if you don't clean this up because you're going to find yourself in cuffs 01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:15.260 for threatening him 01:01:15.260 --> 01:01:17.120 so because the government 01:01:17.120 --> 01:01:19.140 stepped in so much 01:01:19.140 --> 01:01:20.860 and took away our ability 01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:22.340 I mean yeah too good 01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:24.200 oh liberal women did this 01:01:24.200 --> 01:01:25.660 even now I can't just say liberal sorry 01:01:25.660 --> 01:01:27.620 women did this 01:01:27.620 --> 01:01:30.160 women removed boys 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:31.740 growing up 01:01:31.740 --> 01:01:33.700 with conflict resolution 01:01:33.700 --> 01:01:35.720 solving it with their fists 01:01:35.720 --> 01:01:38.200 and discovering this man is my enemy 01:01:38.200 --> 01:01:40.220 he's a bully who just became 01:01:40.220 --> 01:01:41.660 my best friend 01:01:41.660 --> 01:01:43.560 they remove that 01:01:43.560 --> 01:01:45.740 from such a rite of passage for men 01:01:45.740 --> 01:01:46.720 and now we have men 01:01:46.720 --> 01:01:49.180 who are so afraid 01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:51.360 of their own shadow and they're becoming cops 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.440 yeah well that probably speaks 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:54.800 to a larger you know feminine 01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:57.080 versus masculine kind of being eroded 01:01:57.080 --> 01:01:58.760 in our society conversation which 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:01.060 I'm happy to get into but we are low on time 01:02:01.060 --> 01:02:03.760 so I wanted to kind of juxtapose 01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:05.400 what I was just saying about Dale Brown 01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.340 into a question about reform 01:02:07.340 --> 01:02:08.980 and you know it's 01:02:09.340 --> 01:02:11.560 something that I think has been touted 01:02:11.560 --> 01:02:13.900 for a long time years and years in fact 01:02:13.900 --> 01:02:15.300 I think the first major protest 01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:17.120 against police violence that I'm aware of 01:02:17.120 --> 01:02:19.980 was the Haymarket Affair back in 1886 01:02:19.980 --> 01:02:20.660 when 01:02:20.660 --> 01:02:23.500 labor organizers and anarchists came out 01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:24.900 to basically call out the same 01:02:24.900 --> 01:02:27.120 patterns of brutality that we're still dealing with now 01:02:27.120 --> 01:02:29.260 so with you know 01:02:29.260 --> 01:02:31.600 what Dale Brown's doing at least that's a departure 01:02:31.600 --> 01:02:33.500 from the state or any type 01:02:33.500 --> 01:02:35.600 of local type of municipality 01:02:35.600 --> 01:02:37.220 trying to enforce 01:02:37.220 --> 01:02:39.300 its own laws right through the mechanism 01:02:39.300 --> 01:02:41.380 of taxation so I was 01:02:41.380 --> 01:02:43.460 wanted to hear your point on this 01:02:43.460 --> 01:02:45.260 because you know asking the state to fix 01:02:45.260 --> 01:02:47.180 itself for almost a half a century or a century 01:02:47.180 --> 01:02:49.300 and a half I should say it's been that long 01:02:49.300 --> 01:02:51.240 I hasn't exactly inspired 01:02:51.240 --> 01:02:53.180 any confidence so like 01:02:53.180 --> 01:02:55.060 do you think that political solutions 01:02:55.060 --> 01:02:57.220 and incremental reform can realistically 01:02:57.220 --> 01:02:58.940 change this system 01:02:58.940 --> 01:03:01.340 that we've been trying to change for 140 years 01:03:01.340 --> 01:03:03.160 or do you kind of lean more towards 01:03:03.160 --> 01:03:05.360 what our libertarian view is which is 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:06.760 the incentive structure itself 01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:08.700 is broken because it's tied to 01:03:08.700 --> 01:03:10.760 taxation which basically guarantees 01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:12.900 the funding so there will never be any real 01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:14.500 incentive for change 01:03:14.500 --> 01:03:15.680 improvement accountability 01:03:16.560 --> 01:03:18.940 and that's why people like us point to people 01:03:18.940 --> 01:03:20.780 like Dale Brown as like these private 01:03:20.780 --> 01:03:22.480 security models where 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.780 communities actually voluntarily choose to 01:03:24.780 --> 01:03:26.400 pay for the service that they want 01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:28.580 and it seems to produce these better outcomes 01:03:28.580 --> 01:03:31.000 fewer violent encounters and more respect 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.840 for not only people's rights 01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:34.660 but like the officers who are enforcing 01:03:34.660 --> 01:03:36.620 them so like everything you've seen 01:03:36.620 --> 01:03:38.420 do you think that's actually possible 01:03:38.420 --> 01:03:40.700 with reform or like what's the 01:03:40.700 --> 01:03:41.460 replacement model 01:03:42.940 --> 01:03:44.760 the reason I am so 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.140 pro police still to this day 01:03:46.620 --> 01:03:48.600 I'm pro law enforcement I'm not pro cop 01:03:48.600 --> 01:03:50.680 for individual's sake but they're the 01:03:50.680 --> 01:03:52.360 in my opinion this is my opinion 01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:53.980 they're the only ones who can save anything 01:03:54.660 --> 01:03:56.520 and sadly they're not going to 01:03:56.520 --> 01:03:58.840 the model of what you're talking about 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:00.160 would be great right I 01:04:00.160 --> 01:04:02.760 my political ideologies are like I 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:04.080 believe socialism is 01:04:04.720 --> 01:04:06.200 wow free healthcare 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:08.360 free free school 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:10.480 free food I think it's awesome 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:12.500 who's gonna pay for it and I also 01:04:12.500 --> 01:04:14.680 know the danger of giving things away 01:04:14.680 --> 01:04:16.400 for free and you can create an utopia 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:18.500 but one day you know you're gonna get 01:04:18.500 --> 01:04:20.420 a life a loaf of bread that day 01:04:20.420 --> 01:04:22.840 but I eat more than you I'm bigger than you 01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:24.900 I'm gonna take your bread from you so it's always human nature 01:04:24.900 --> 01:04:26.060 when it comes to 01:04:26.660 --> 01:04:28.160 law enforcement if we went back 01:04:28.680 --> 01:04:31.140 to the constitution the politicians 01:04:31.140 --> 01:04:32.260 would be so 01:04:33.100 --> 01:04:34.520 afraid of the people 01:04:35.100 --> 01:04:36.000 because right now 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.140 the politicians leverage I got 01:04:39.140 --> 01:04:40.220 a quote Maddie Wack 01:04:40.220 --> 01:04:43.040 Maddie Wack his statement was so 01:04:43.040 --> 01:04:45.000 brilliant he was on a podcast with me one time 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:46.960 he said if it wasn't for 01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:47.560 the police 01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:50.680 who had guns politicians would 01:04:50.680 --> 01:04:51.820 just be a bunch of dead guys 01:04:51.820 --> 01:04:54.880 and I'm like yeah because 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:56.120 we've seen it time and time again 01:04:57.180 --> 01:04:58.840 cops betrayed Americans 01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.600 during the lockdowns 01:05:00.600 --> 01:05:01.780 how many people 01:05:01.780 --> 01:05:04.760 one of my best friends lives out in Santa Cruz 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.060 got kicked off a beach 01:05:06.060 --> 01:05:08.600 how many people did we hear weren't wearing masks 01:05:08.600 --> 01:05:10.720 in church gyms were closing and we saw 01:05:10.720 --> 01:05:12.100 cops shows the paycheck 01:05:12.740 --> 01:05:14.420 there was we the people 01:05:14.420 --> 01:05:16.860 versus we the politicians we the policy 01:05:16.860 --> 01:05:18.440 we the paycheck we know who they chose 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:20.960 every single time 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:22.680 you see these big city protests 01:05:22.680 --> 01:05:25.100 they stand down they follow orders 01:05:25.100 --> 01:05:27.080 cops if cops sat there 01:05:27.080 --> 01:05:29.500 and collectively stood up against brass 01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:31.160 and we're not afraid to keep 01:05:31.160 --> 01:05:33.240 their paycheck and actually honored the oath they swore 01:05:33.240 --> 01:05:34.440 and said no 01:05:34.940 --> 01:05:37.240 we are following the constitution to a team 01:05:37.240 --> 01:05:39.200 and we're not revenue 01:05:39.200 --> 01:05:40.120 generators anymore 01:05:40.120 --> 01:05:42.460 and we are gonna do what we need to do 01:05:42.940 --> 01:05:44.380 safeguard the American people 01:05:44.940 --> 01:05:46.460 we'll respond for violence 01:05:46.460 --> 01:05:48.600 mediate all this stuff but we are done 01:05:48.600 --> 01:05:49.960 cuffing people 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:52.700 for income politicians would be 01:05:52.700 --> 01:05:54.600 terrified of the people 01:05:54.600 --> 01:05:55.600 and changing what we made 01:05:55.600 --> 01:05:56.760 so I've said this before 01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.100 it does suck 01:05:59.920 --> 01:06:01.800 my platform is cop talk live 01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.160 and I never run out of material 01:06:04.160 --> 01:06:06.980 and I'm not going to I will be in business for the next 30 years 01:06:06.980 --> 01:06:07.800 talking about police shit 01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:09.800 and every time I get 01:06:10.340 --> 01:06:11.620 hundreds of DMs a week 01:06:11.620 --> 01:06:14.260 thank you brother wish I could see what you're saying 01:06:14.260 --> 01:06:16.000 brother and I'm like I'm not your brother 01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:17.900 because unlike you 01:06:17.900 --> 01:06:20.220 I cost me everything 01:06:20.220 --> 01:06:22.400 but I stood up and I stood up against 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.580 what was needed to stand you're in my DMs 01:06:24.580 --> 01:06:26.340 talking about the shit that's going on in your department 01:06:26.340 --> 01:06:28.440 because you're afraid to lose your job 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:30.840 lose your pension got to feed your kids 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:32.880 feed your wife all this shit and you want me 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:34.960 to solve your problems instead of you stepping up 01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:36.660 so we have a nation of cops 01:06:36.660 --> 01:06:38.900 who are just they're there for the paycheck 01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:40.620 and I don't until that changes 01:06:40.620 --> 01:06:43.100 and they actually believe in the oath they swore to 01:06:43.100 --> 01:06:44.220 nothing will change 01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:45.380 damn 01:06:46.820 --> 01:06:48.220 that was intense dude 01:06:48.220 --> 01:06:50.280 I really appreciate that stance man I 01:06:50.940 --> 01:06:51.360 really appreciate that 01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:52.880 that takes some balls 01:06:54.600 --> 01:06:55.880 we're running out of time here 01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:58.380 but I'm not sure if you're familiar with the formula 01:06:58.380 --> 01:07:00.240 of our show we always like to end on a white pill 01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:02.280 but this whole damn podcast has been a white pill 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:02.620 basically 01:07:03.380 --> 01:07:05.680 but it's going to be a solutions based question 01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:07.900 so to end on a positive note 01:07:07.900 --> 01:07:09.380 but before I ask that question man 01:07:09.380 --> 01:07:10.360 what you were just saying 01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:12.780 I want to offer genuine praise for that dude 01:07:12.780 --> 01:07:15.500 it takes an incredible amount of 01:07:15.500 --> 01:07:17.720 honor and some kind of magic 01:07:17.720 --> 01:07:18.920 to be able to wake up 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:21.120 after looking in the mirror and admit that you were 01:07:21.120 --> 01:07:23.100 participating in this 01:07:23.100 --> 01:07:25.700 utter madness that oppressed innocent people 01:07:25.700 --> 01:07:27.360 that's very difficult to do 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:29.380 and you doing it as a cop 01:07:29.380 --> 01:07:31.680 and figuring it out that it wasn't right 01:07:31.680 --> 01:07:33.160 is huge 01:07:33.160 --> 01:07:35.180 and it's huge to even make that change 01:07:35.720 --> 01:07:37.340 and knowing that you're going to face 01:07:37.340 --> 01:07:38.940 persecution is even bigger 01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:41.080 because you're risking your livelihood 01:07:41.080 --> 01:07:43.400 you know at the very people that you're 01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:44.720 going to try to expose they're going to 01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:46.480 you know that they're going to retaliate 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:49.060 and so we're genuinely glad to know you dude 01:07:49.060 --> 01:07:50.740 and I want to thank you for that 01:07:50.740 --> 01:07:52.360 I know I speak for Jason and I thank you for that 01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:54.200 that's amazing and it means a lot 01:07:55.160 --> 01:07:56.600 it's interesting too 01:07:56.600 --> 01:07:58.060 like last week we had 01:07:58.060 --> 01:07:59.500 a socialist 01:07:59.500 --> 01:08:01.520 Jason said that in the beginning of the podcast 01:08:01.520 --> 01:08:03.800 he's a comedian but he's a socialist 01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:05.720 and despite coming from 01:08:05.720 --> 01:08:08.000 completely different philosophical backgrounds 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.240 we're hardcore capitalists over here right 01:08:10.240 --> 01:08:12.660 we spent the episode talking about 01:08:12.660 --> 01:08:14.180 all the things we agree on 01:08:14.180 --> 01:08:16.240 and how we can actually solve these problems 01:08:16.240 --> 01:08:17.800 facing us that we agree on 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.340 and like this week we have a former cop 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:21.320 who 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:24.220 some may say cops are the enemy of the free thought project 01:08:24.220 --> 01:08:25.660 but that's not true at all you know 01:08:26.180 --> 01:08:28.140 like closed mindedness, obstinance 01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:29.820 that's the real enemy of free thought right 01:08:29.820 --> 01:08:32.360 we want solutions here to make everybody 01:08:32.360 --> 01:08:33.920 like a better planet for everybody 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:35.940 and having a cop on 01:08:35.940 --> 01:08:37.940 that sees through the thin blue line propaganda 01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:39.960 is once again we're finding that 01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:42.680 exact same common ground on what needs to be fixed 01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:44.640 so here's the white pole questions 01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.360 we live in this era 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:48.680 where the state relies on us being 01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:51.060 hyper divided as I just kind of explained 01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:53.260 you know and as a former cop who is obviously 01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:55.960 pissed a lot of people off throughout 01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:58.260 your career man by speaking the truth 01:08:58.260 --> 01:09:00.200 you know you've clearly figured out 01:09:00.200 --> 01:09:01.820 a pretty good way to navigate this 01:09:01.820 --> 01:09:03.540 because you're successful you have your own show 01:09:03.540 --> 01:09:05.720 for the listener out there who's 01:09:06.300 --> 01:09:07.420 struggling right now 01:09:07.420 --> 01:09:10.320 to talk to their back to blue family members 01:09:10.320 --> 01:09:12.320 or you know like the 01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:15.380 thin blue line kind of cult 01:09:15.380 --> 01:09:16.680 how do you recommend 01:09:17.240 --> 01:09:19.560 people cross that bridge like how do we have 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:20.820 these crucial conversations 01:09:22.140 --> 01:09:23.600 without choking each other 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:25.240 at the Thanksgiving table you know 01:09:25.240 --> 01:09:26.660 till we can build this consensus 01:09:26.660 --> 01:09:29.680 and fix the fucking problems that are plaguing us right now 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:31.660 it's the same way I approach 01:09:31.660 --> 01:09:33.760 Christianity now I'm a Christ follower 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:35.600 but I cannot stand 01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:38.100 the people who go into 01:09:38.100 --> 01:09:39.600 Walmart with the megaphone 01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:42.520 attention Jesus loves you 01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:44.800 and he wants I hate those people 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.760 they don't get their point across very well 01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:48.300 no they don't my view is 01:09:48.300 --> 01:09:50.000 I want to live in a way 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:52.720 that you see how I 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:54.780 am and you walk up to me and go do you know what 01:09:54.780 --> 01:09:56.280 I don't know you 01:09:56.280 --> 01:09:57.820 I just something about you 01:09:57.820 --> 01:09:59.000 and I go hey listen 01:09:59.500 --> 01:10:00.900 I'd love to have coffee with you 01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:04.300 Christ is the foundation of my life if you want to talk about it 01:10:04.300 --> 01:10:06.640 I'm an open book I think it needs to be the same way 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:07.920 because I did go 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.140 and I did do the 01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:11.040 confrontational 01:10:11.040 --> 01:10:14.480 thin blue line they put their lives at risk 01:10:14.480 --> 01:10:16.020 every day no they don't 01:10:16.020 --> 01:10:17.860 no they don't and 01:10:17.860 --> 01:10:19.520 I'm so hated because 01:10:20.160 --> 01:10:21.980 every day I take criticism 01:10:21.980 --> 01:10:23.780 you're just a small town cop and I go 01:10:24.060 --> 01:10:26.260 yeah 85% of the cops in 01:10:26.260 --> 01:10:28.220 America come from a department that has 01:10:28.220 --> 01:10:29.600 less than 50 sworn on it 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.620 you know big town CPD they're nothing more than glorified 01:10:32.620 --> 01:10:34.600 security guards I used 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:36.560 to have those conversations and talk about all this shit 01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:38.280 and ultimately speaking 01:10:38.980 --> 01:10:40.620 nothing really clicked until I 01:10:40.620 --> 01:10:42.580 went yeah I have to 01:10:42.580 --> 01:10:44.680 stop denying the truth I'm not 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:46.520 jaded and bitter for what 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:48.740 happened multiply that 01:10:48.740 --> 01:10:50.500 times a hundred and maybe you'll come 01:10:50.500 --> 01:10:52.640 close to it I'm heartbroken 01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:54.600 beyond belief that a profession 01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:56.740 I loved did what they did to me 01:10:56.740 --> 01:10:57.680 and 01:10:58.380 --> 01:11:00.660 I those were that was supposed to be 01:11:00.660 --> 01:11:01.540 my family and 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:04.640 but here I am still defending them 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:05.980 and they don't care and 01:11:05.980 --> 01:11:08.120 I'm a blue falcon and I'm a traitor 01:11:08.120 --> 01:11:10.460 and I got fired and they make me 01:11:10.460 --> 01:11:12.160 out to be the worst human being in the world 01:11:12.160 --> 01:11:14.160 and it wasn't until I sat there and went 01:11:14.160 --> 01:11:15.020 you got to own this 01:11:16.620 --> 01:11:18.400 people have a hard time 01:11:18.400 --> 01:11:20.320 that I love the profession 01:11:20.320 --> 01:11:22.340 and what it represents and it represents 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:24.180 a man or a woman 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:26.320 being able to 01:11:26.320 --> 01:11:28.680 serve another human 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:30.580 being at the highest level of any 01:11:30.580 --> 01:11:32.520 capacity out of any profession on the planet 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:34.520 doctors lawyers I don't care 01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:36.680 you call 911 it means that you 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:38.320 are a human being that cannot 01:11:38.320 --> 01:11:40.560 solve your problem and you require 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:42.540 me to show up what a 01:11:42.540 --> 01:11:44.700 fucking honor I 01:11:44.700 --> 01:11:46.520 have that and I'm going to act 01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.220 like I have 01:11:48.220 --> 01:11:50.160 an honor to be served by me 01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:52.800 people don't understand how high I hold 01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:54.560 that in regard and how 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:55.840 when I talk to these cops 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:57.880 about changing their 01:11:57.880 --> 01:11:59.700 methods their views and criticizing 01:11:59.700 --> 01:12:01.880 them and giving them what I grew 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:04.300 up with that old school almost negative reinforcement 01:12:04.300 --> 01:12:05.780 it's because if you are 01:12:05.780 --> 01:12:07.600 not rising to this occasion 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:09.880 you are dishonoring every 01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:11.800 human being you serve and they just don't get 01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:13.640 it so to answer your question 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.660 fully the only way I have 01:12:15.660 --> 01:12:17.500 found to survive it is to 01:12:17.500 --> 01:12:19.220 to walk what I'm talking 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:21.220 and that means that if I'm actually 01:12:21.220 --> 01:12:23.480 if I believe it I hold fast to it 01:12:23.480 --> 01:12:25.400 I don't back down I will be open 01:12:25.400 --> 01:12:26.780 it's kind of like what you guys 01:12:27.360 --> 01:12:28.760 not miswords you guys actually 01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:31.320 exposed me to that you can have an opposing 01:12:31.320 --> 01:12:33.000 ideology that isn't threatening me 01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:35.640 they're just they have their matter of fact beliefs and they believe it 01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:37.460 and we can come into the table and have a 01:12:37.460 --> 01:12:39.340 discussion how it's supposed to be so that's how I am 01:12:39.340 --> 01:12:40.600 but at the same time too 01:12:41.200 --> 01:12:43.380 no I'm ruthless I will die 01:12:43.380 --> 01:12:45.480 from my beliefs and I will anytime somebody 01:12:45.480 --> 01:12:47.500 like I still George Floyd 01:12:47.500 --> 01:12:49.480 I have I would Derek 01:12:49.480 --> 01:12:51.360 Chauvin did didn't murder George 01:12:51.360 --> 01:12:53.140 Floyd what Derek Chauvin did was the single 01:12:53.140 --> 01:12:55.200 worst thing in the history of law enforcement 01:12:55.200 --> 01:12:57.400 with those Minneapolis cops did 01:12:57.400 --> 01:12:59.360 never investigated a crime 01:12:59.360 --> 01:13:01.480 no proof of the fake no one ever 01:13:01.480 --> 01:13:03.300 did an even remotely look 01:13:03.300 --> 01:13:05.520 at that $20 bill they put a man 01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:07.240 in handcuffs simply because he was black 01:13:07.240 --> 01:13:09.240 at the wrong place wrong time and they 01:13:09.240 --> 01:13:10.840 knelt on him like he was a goddamn 01:13:11.320 --> 01:13:13.480 Serengeti trophy that they just hunted on the planes 01:13:13.480 --> 01:13:15.300 it's like so 01:13:15.300 --> 01:13:17.280 but you're not going to change your views absolutely 01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:19.120 not part of my language twice on that 01:13:19.120 --> 01:13:21.200 but that's my view is hold fast 01:13:21.200 --> 01:13:22.460 I think that 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:24.560 people see your integrity 01:13:25.200 --> 01:13:26.860 they will see how you walk 01:13:26.860 --> 01:13:29.160 and that will help them to form their opinion 01:13:29.160 --> 01:13:30.100 better and study genetic events 01:13:30.100 --> 01:13:32.780 well said brother and man 01:13:32.780 --> 01:13:35.240 I think this podcast could have gone on for 01:13:35.240 --> 01:13:37.060 three hours it's very 01:13:37.060 --> 01:13:38.860 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