WEBVTT 00:02.060 --> 00:08.380 Get ready to take a flamethrower to the official narrative and learn what the elites don't want you to know 00:08.380 --> 00:11.940 You're listening to the Tom Woods show 00:18.630 --> 00:24.430 Everybody Tom Woods here it's episode 2744 the Tom Woods show the great Robert Barnes the constant the only 00:24.430 --> 00:27.590 Constitutional lawyer you ever want to hear from is here with us 00:27.590 --> 00:34.370 He is the founder of the 70s 1776. What is it called 1776 Law Center? 00:34.370 --> 00:38.770 Law Center, I couldn't think of because because I was thinking Southern Poverty Law Center 00:38.770 --> 00:40.450 I thought it can't be the same words 00:40.450 --> 00:46.210 But maybe you're using the same words to try to indicate that maybe in some senses see your kind of answer 00:46.210 --> 00:48.270 There's some of these terrible people out there 00:48.270 --> 00:52.710 But you are the guy I want to listen to on all these kinds of questions and today 00:52.710 --> 00:55.610 We got to deal with this craziness that may turn out to be nothing 00:55.610 --> 01:03.390 It may turn out to be a so-called nothing burger, but even if it does it still matters because of the way people 01:03.390 --> 01:11.370 reacted to the the story if indeed turns out there is one and that is this matter of Tucker Carlson evidently having been 01:11.370 --> 01:17.810 in contact with Iran in a way that would be described as treasonous because the US is at 01:17.810 --> 01:23.450 Well war or not is that something with Iran at the moment and to see the way 01:23.450 --> 01:31.810 Tucker's enemies were gleefully pouncing that he's gonna wind up behind bars Laura Loomer who is I do not would not want her as an 01:31.810 --> 01:35.810 Ally if I found out she was my ally I would say to her. I really just don't want you around 01:35.810 --> 01:37.990 I don't want you associated with my name 01:37.990 --> 01:45.110 But some people not everybody's like me and she was boasting that she has helped push this case against 01:45.670 --> 01:51.610 Tucker forward and that she hopes that he winds up in prison. So I thought 01:52.110 --> 01:55.330 We had to talk about this. So what exactly? 01:56.070 --> 01:58.450 The question of whether there really is 01:58.450 --> 02:04.630 Anything any real case against Tucker formally being put together is very much in question 02:04.630 --> 02:05.730 I'll get back to that later 02:05.730 --> 02:12.250 But if there were to be one what according to what we've heard so far. Is it likely to consist of? 02:13.030 --> 02:19.550 So me basically what Tucker reported is that CIA was spying on his texts and intercepting his communications with the 02:19.550 --> 02:21.150 various people in Iran 02:21.150 --> 02:25.890 When he was trying to set up an interview with the president of Iran back in the summer of 2025 02:25.890 --> 02:29.530 The only plausible allegations you could make 02:29.530 --> 02:36.110 Would be something like a far violation for an agents registration act and there's no evidence that that's the case here 02:36.630 --> 02:43.330 Now the first problem with the what story Tucker was told is that the CIA has no statutory 02:43.830 --> 02:50.670 constitutional or other right to spy or intercept any communication of an American that the CIA's own 02:50.670 --> 02:54.690 Charter prohibits and precludes sometimes people see this in TV shows and movies 02:55.270 --> 02:58.290 Reference but it is in fact legally correct in this instance 02:58.290 --> 03:04.910 The TV shows and movies the CIA has no power to its spy on people inside the United States territory 03:04.910 --> 03:07.830 Who are themselves United States citizens? 03:08.430 --> 03:13.630 So the NSA has that power through the foreign intelligence surveillance act and usually they have to go 03:13.630 --> 03:15.510 But if they're going to target an American 03:15.510 --> 03:20.650 Oh, if they're going to unmask who the communication is to they also have to go through 03:20.670 --> 03:26.050 And get court approval through the foreign intelligence surveillance court, which is appointed by Chief Justice 03:27.130 --> 03:30.930 Roberts now both of these of course have been controversial in recent times because 03:31.550 --> 03:36.710 General Flynn was one of the very few people ever prosecuted under far and a very misuse and abuse of 03:37.390 --> 03:43.870 prosecutorial power by Robert Mueller's crew in Trump's first term and of course the FISA abuse 03:43.870 --> 03:46.350 It was part of what led to spy gate 03:46.350 --> 03:50.930 Which was part of the whole Russia gate scandal in the first term of the president's administration 03:50.930 --> 03:57.050 Which Tulsi Gabbard has already outed and is part subject to a criminal referral being made to the Southern District of Florida 03:57.050 --> 04:01.890 to look into people like John Brennan and a range of others connected to him 04:01.890 --> 04:05.650 Concerning their legal behavior. So the question is is the CIA doing it again? 04:05.830 --> 04:09.090 If the CIA did in fact spy or intercept on these communications 04:09.090 --> 04:15.070 Then they have violated the constitutional rights of Tucker Carlson and they're back to outside their statutory authority and 04:15.070 --> 04:16.690 Themselves committed crimes 04:16.690 --> 04:24.570 So I have doubts about the story that Tucker was told that the CIA would make a criminal referral to the Justice Department because they're criminal 04:24.570 --> 04:27.470 But who knows they may be that dumb 04:28.050 --> 04:29.650 Because such a criminal referral 04:29.650 --> 04:35.430 Would be an admission and acknowledgement of their own criminality not of anything Tucker did for those that are concerned 04:35.430 --> 04:41.330 Hey, because it does the foreign agents registration act restrict my first amendment speech rights here in the United States 04:41.330 --> 04:45.270 Of course, no statute can overturn the Constitution of the United States 04:45.270 --> 04:50.410 So first answer is no second is so you have to interpret that law in light of the First Amendment 04:50.410 --> 04:53.430 The in the way in which it's been interpreted 04:53.430 --> 04:56.810 It only applies if you're really not speaking for yourself 04:56.810 --> 05:03.130 But you're speaking as an agent of somebody else and that agent is a foreign principle who you are acting under the 05:03.130 --> 05:11.030 Controller supervision of so most common most ordinary people deal with the concept of agency in the principle of their employment 05:11.330 --> 05:16.270 When is somebody my agent when is when am I somebody else's agent think about those principles? 05:16.370 --> 05:22.490 Am I acting on my behalf or am I acting on somebody else's behalf if you're not acting on somebody else's behalf and that somebody else 05:23.170 --> 05:29.670 Isn't a foreign principle anyway, then you're not subject to far up even then the far law itself 05:29.670 --> 05:34.810 Says if you're involved in scientific work academic work literary work 05:35.810 --> 05:42.830 Artistic work or journalistic work you are entirely excluded and exempt from far in the first place 05:42.830 --> 05:47.190 So if you're a journalist engaged in news gathering, you're not covered under the far laws 05:47.190 --> 05:52.050 So this means that there's nothing that Tucker did in trying to get an interview with Iranian president 05:52.050 --> 05:56.930 That could even possibly be a violation of the law least of all something that could be 05:56.930 --> 05:59.750 Constitutionally upheld as a plausible indictment 05:59.750 --> 06:07.630 But what it does suggest is a pattern of harassment that is likely to escalate in the context of war 06:07.630 --> 06:12.070 As we've seen in America and like around the world like what happened during COVID 06:12.650 --> 06:15.870 once the war machine gets rolling a 06:16.330 --> 06:17.530 censorship and 06:18.050 --> 06:21.470 Prosecution of people for politicized reasons soon follows it 06:21.470 --> 06:26.550 So that's what it what's really likely behind the scenes is an effort to intimidate not just Tucker 06:26.550 --> 06:33.690 But everybody else you better put your head low you better keep your mouth shut or you might be next right right right, right? 06:34.230 --> 06:36.690 I do want to say just to be 06:37.370 --> 06:38.930 Just for completeness 06:38.930 --> 06:43.850 the issue of whether or not the United States is technically quote at war is 06:45.330 --> 06:51.670 Potentially an issue here because the administration has made such a big deal out of claiming that they're not at war 06:51.670 --> 06:56.150 Even though the president keeps saying using the word war the vice president is very careful 06:56.150 --> 06:59.750 Even if he has to stumble to do it to avoid the use of the word war 06:59.750 --> 07:03.390 So if they really really want to insist to us that they're not at war 07:03.950 --> 07:07.110 Then you know, yeah, they've made their beds now. They have to sleep in it 07:07.110 --> 07:12.430 So whatever Tucker is doing he's doing at a time when apparently the US is not at war. Does that matter? 07:13.010 --> 07:14.490 They came out in certain context 07:14.490 --> 07:20.790 So the there's nothing Tucker did that would be considered a criminal violation of these laws of sedition or treason or the like anyway 07:20.790 --> 07:25.090 But the if but those the treason laws for example, which are 07:25.090 --> 07:32.450 Constitutionally constrained in their definition because there was great concern by our founders that treason would be misused and abused in the way 07:32.450 --> 07:40.630 President Trump is currently talking about wanting to misuse and abuse it saying if media are continued to expose the failures of my war effort in Iran 07:40.630 --> 07:48.290 Then they should be prosecuted for treason. This is insanity. This is a constitutional violation is gonna get was gonna be one count of about 07:48.290 --> 07:50.810 125 they get this president impeached 07:51.550 --> 07:52.950 In my opinion unfortunately 07:53.570 --> 08:00.630 For those of us that backed him the but basically treason only applies and when there's been a formal declaration of war 08:00.630 --> 08:02.610 So you can play games. I mean, I'll give them credit 08:02.610 --> 08:08.710 They took Putin's special military operation in Ukraine and they're like, yeah, let's just steal that and they're like 08:08.710 --> 08:14.450 Well, we can't use the exact same phrase because then everybody will know what special combat operation. Yes 08:14.450 --> 08:20.670 But even Vance can't can't remember the terms like what am I supposed to say again? Oh, yeah, not a war special combat operation 08:20.670 --> 08:27.050 I mean the level of Orwellian it's it's like what would happen if Orwell was retarded and that's the current Trump 08:27.950 --> 08:36.310 Administration's protection of all of this nonsense. Oh, I'm reading a series of posts by a guy who I guess is a White House reporter for Axios and 08:37.150 --> 08:42.310 He says this the online chatter about Tucker Carlson looked like quite a story 08:42.310 --> 08:45.850 He was being spied on by the CIA and knowing that 08:45.850 --> 08:49.950 Trump tweeted him as a useful idiot by feeding him disinformation 08:49.950 --> 08:53.930 That fooled the Iranians about the looming February 28th attack 08:53.930 --> 08:57.170 But top administration officials say it's well 08:57.170 --> 09:02.030 I don't use bad words on the show because I want I want parents to be able to drive around with little Johnny in the back 09:02.030 --> 09:08.030 Seat, but let's just say top administration officials say it's you know, it's not true. Let's put it that way 09:08.030 --> 09:10.930 And he says specifically I'm told number one 09:10.930 --> 09:16.870 There is no CIA investigation of Carlson number two in his meeting the two politely disagreed and 09:16.870 --> 09:22.830 Trump held to his position that Iran was a threat and did not mislead Tucker and a one source says 09:22.830 --> 09:25.790 Trump quote wasn't participating in an op 09:25.790 --> 09:30.570 So that's all I mean if this guy is to be believed. I don't see why why not 09:30.570 --> 09:37.570 Then this is being hyped up by people who just can't stand Tucker and I can't I wonder what it is about Tucker 09:37.570 --> 09:40.250 Is it you think it's his economic policies that? 09:40.850 --> 09:47.130 People dislike or I don't know. Maybe they just think he's a boring host. Is there you think there could be anything motivating? 09:47.790 --> 09:50.710 I mean, I don't need you to read minds here Robert 09:50.710 --> 09:57.070 But what do you think is really going on here? Well, I encourage people to filter I've used for a long time 09:57.070 --> 09:58.970 I call it confession through projection 09:58.970 --> 10:04.150 So if you think about it anytime in your life at some point somebody comes and makes like a crazy 10:04.670 --> 10:06.790 Allegation against you that just makes no sense 10:07.430 --> 10:09.410 Often they're confessing their own crimes 10:09.410 --> 10:15.790 It's the old Edgar Allen pose telltale heart beats loudly that people just have this need to confess 10:15.790 --> 10:20.310 The like of you if you listen almost anything President Macron of France says about Russia 10:20.310 --> 10:23.150 He's telling you what Europe is about to do or has done 10:23.150 --> 10:28.150 It's not about Russia if Ukraine's talking about casualties whenever they mention Ukrainian casualties 10:28.150 --> 10:31.430 Those are the Russian casualties whenever they mention Russian casualties 10:31.430 --> 10:36.270 Those are the Ukrainian casualties and I've found it all sometimes people confess in like shocking ways 10:36.270 --> 10:40.850 So I've been using it with Trump ever since he started losing his mind in my opinion 10:40.850 --> 10:43.490 starting in late last summer and 10:43.490 --> 10:47.590 It's stunningly. It's like when he says Iran was begging for a ceasefire 10:47.590 --> 10:49.370 But the terms aren't acceptable to me yet 10:49.370 --> 10:52.510 What he really really means is Trump is begging for a ceasefire 10:52.510 --> 10:58.690 But Iran is unwilling to accept what Trump wants to provide his terms. So the I think the same thing is true here 10:59.690 --> 11:02.170 Notice their obsession with hey 11:02.170 --> 11:08.870 There's a foreign government afoot that is involved in illicitly interfering with and hijacking 11:08.870 --> 11:10.570 US public policy 11:10.930 --> 11:18.790 Including the opinions of prominent podcasters influencers and social media folks. Well, there is such a government 11:18.790 --> 11:23.470 They are in fact infiltrating and hijacking and staging a coup over the American government 11:23.470 --> 11:30.310 But it ain't cutter and ain't Saudi Arabia and ain't Iran and ain't the Ruskies and ain't China 11:30.310 --> 11:35.750 It's Israel and it's the Israel lobby that has got their ultimate 11:36.390 --> 11:44.070 Takeover of an entire administration's policies not only in concerning Gaza or Lebanon or Syria or war the ran or 11:44.070 --> 11:46.410 Relationship with the Gulf States and all of that 11:46.410 --> 11:51.030 But also things like the Epstein files the Epstein files the total reversal by the president 11:51.910 --> 11:53.030 Corresponds to this 11:53.670 --> 11:55.070 this sort of complete 11:55.710 --> 12:01.310 subservience to the Israel lobby who has and they've done this throughout the administration if anybody in the administration 12:01.310 --> 12:05.690 Or who's gonna come and people like Brandon Weissher and people like Jeremy Carl 12:05.690 --> 12:11.050 These are people that are very strong Trump supporters knowledgeable on issues of foreign policy 12:11.050 --> 12:15.370 They have been excluded or kicked out Dan Caldwell former Pentagon 12:17.030 --> 12:20.250 Joint secretary of defense now secretary of war eggs depth 12:20.750 --> 12:23.110 You know the kind of person who was moderating and modified 12:23.110 --> 12:29.490 You know the insanity of someone like eggs death when left alone all these people were perched all these people were either excluded or kicked out of 12:29.490 --> 12:33.650 The administration for one reason and one reason only there are failure to be subservient Israel 12:33.650 --> 12:36.550 If you look at a lot of people that have not been known as MAGA 12:37.050 --> 12:43.250 Who suddenly got high-ranking jobs in the administration you look at people like the secretary of commerce 12:43.250 --> 12:48.550 Lutnick you the secretary of treasury pheasant secretary of state and Rubio 12:49.630 --> 12:53.870 CIA director Ratcliffe deputy general counsel the CIA 12:54.690 --> 12:58.870 Michael Ellis the you look at a range of these people that you know 12:58.870 --> 13:05.170 You had the political people that helped him win people like Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard and JD Vance and and Elbridge Colby 13:05.170 --> 13:06.890 And Joe Kent and that crowd 13:06.890 --> 13:11.090 But the people that didn't have anything to do with him winning they got all these positions of power 13:11.090 --> 13:18.050 They have one thing in common including Dan Bongino and cash Patel and Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche and Stanley Woodward 13:18.050 --> 13:21.970 They're all deeply loyal to Israel. They're Israel firsters 13:21.970 --> 13:29.250 Basically Israel has captured this administration and being unsatisfied with just capturing the administration and its policies and 13:29.250 --> 13:34.030 hijacking all of Trump and the Trump part two 13:34.030 --> 13:38.030 They've also been enraged that the public is pointing this out upon occasion 13:38.030 --> 13:41.570 So they the next step was massive illicit 13:41.570 --> 13:43.590 I mean, it's publicly known that they were 13:44.390 --> 13:50.430 Spending hundreds of thousands millions of dollars to influence and and buy off influencers in the United States 13:50.430 --> 13:54.950 But those influencers have still not been disclosed the agency hired to do it disclosed 13:54.950 --> 13:58.330 But they didn't disclose who it is they were hiring and so they you know 13:58.330 --> 14:02.110 They was talking up to seven thousand dollars a post or maybe it was seven thousand dollars a month 14:02.110 --> 14:05.950 Whatever it was huge amounts of money have been flooding into this space 14:05.950 --> 14:10.990 And you suddenly see people that have been you know Israel skeptics that have been war critics 14:11.550 --> 14:14.730 Suddenly, you know on this cheer, you know Tucker Carlson is the devil 14:15.330 --> 14:20.430 Laura the who is there is some sort of a hero. I mean, this is someone who you know 14:20.430 --> 14:24.750 The who modeled for the character jigsaw out of the movie saw, you know 14:24.750 --> 14:28.410 The this is not someone who should be dictating any degree of public policy 14:28.410 --> 14:35.010 The but that's so that's what's really underneath all of this is the Israel lobby has hijacked the 14:35.530 --> 14:40.530 American administration under President Trump and they're high and in order to keep it a secret 14:40.530 --> 14:45.430 They're running smear and censor campaigns against anybody buying off various 14:45.430 --> 14:52.870 Influencers and social media and other networks to achieve their ends and they're confessing through projecting when they keep telling you 14:52.870 --> 14:57.050 There's a foreign government that's hijacking our influencers and hijacking our public policy 14:57.050 --> 14:59.630 But the reality is it's them not their adversaries 15:00.170 --> 15:00.810 Hey everybody 15:00.810 --> 15:06.990 I think many of you know I have a newborn son just about three months old as I record this and you probably don't know that his birth 15:06.990 --> 15:08.930 Had some complications 15:08.930 --> 15:10.550 I'm maybe not the birth per se 15:10.550 --> 15:17.110 But the months and weeks leading up to it were very very difficult because the doctors came to the conclusion that my wife seemed to have 15:17.110 --> 15:24.090 Something called chronic hypertension with superimposed preeclampsia and that meant very lengthy hospital stays 15:24.090 --> 15:28.730 She was in the hospital for quite a while on two separate occasions. 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I mean after all 19:14.630 --> 19:20.090 We've seen poll numbers showing that American favorability toward Israel is at an all-time low 19:20.090 --> 19:21.270 So you can imagine 19:21.270 --> 19:28.170 What American favorability toward people who just lobby for Israel 24 hours a day must be that the way they're gonna 19:28.170 --> 19:31.310 They're really thinking that they're gonna handle this by just denying everything 19:31.310 --> 19:34.530 There is no such thing as Israel first you anti-semites made that up 19:34.530 --> 19:35.670 They're just gonna deny everything 19:36.210 --> 19:41.370 Instead of saying well, yeah, a lot of us have a deep and profound abiding concern for Israel 19:41.370 --> 19:47.930 For personal reasons but also for strategic reasons that we think are shared by the United States and let me list them for you 19:47.930 --> 19:52.170 Now how often do you get that? I mean Robert you for a long time as was I 19:52.170 --> 19:59.150 Was would be counted in Israel's corner and and when you had some misgivings that you started to express 19:59.150 --> 20:04.190 Did anybody say to you oh Robert listen? You've been such a wonderful ally the least we can do with that 20:04.190 --> 20:08.390 We owe you as decent human beings is to just explain to you a little bit better 20:08.390 --> 20:14.470 What the strategic value of Israel to the US is I I would tend to think nobody, right? 20:14.750 --> 20:22.330 Oh, yeah, it's very much the reaction that I got for simply pointing out the implicit promise of the Israel lobby in Trump 20:22.330 --> 20:24.950 2024 was if maga backs 20:25.570 --> 20:31.370 Protecting Israel then Israel lobby will fund Trump and maga agenda items 20:31.370 --> 20:34.630 but in fact they betrayed that promise and 20:34.630 --> 20:42.390 Immediately hijacked it all for their own purposes for the detriment of the coalition because like my objections to this Iranian conflict 20:42.390 --> 20:49.690 The first one is just that it breaks up the entire 2024 coalition and likely leads to Democrats controlling the House of the Senate and the White House 20:49.690 --> 20:53.010 By 2028 they'll control the House of the Senate by 2026 20:53.010 --> 21:00.650 So I was just not willing like Matt Walsh said I was not willing to sacrifice the midterms and the 2028 for Israel's 21:00.650 --> 21:06.930 Priorities particularly when those priorities were not apparently or manifestly in their own self-interest their security 21:06.930 --> 21:12.030 Iran was no imminent threat to Israeli more than was the United States as long as they didn't attack them 21:12.510 --> 21:14.990 You know which was our perverted distorted logic 21:14.990 --> 21:21.030 But the the reality is the Scott Hortons of the world the Dave Smith's of the world the Ron Paul's of the world 21:21.030 --> 21:26.910 The Rand Paul's of the world the Thomas masses of the world their skepticism of our getting entangled though 21:26.910 --> 21:31.750 You know those are people following President George Washington's farewell address people forget 21:31.750 --> 21:37.090 He said not only avoid, you know getting unduly involved in about adversaries globally 21:37.090 --> 21:43.790 But he said especially stay away from your friends your friends will get you dragged into a dumb stupid war easier than anybody 21:43.790 --> 21:49.550 So he said whatever you do don't do that and but the reality is Israel hasn't been much of a friend the United States 21:49.550 --> 21:57.050 the Israel lobby is documented by professor Mirsheimer back in 06 and 07 has constantly been sabotaging American foreign policy and 21:57.570 --> 21:59.850 They've done more spying on the US than anybody 21:59.850 --> 22:02.890 They've stolen more secrets from the US than anybody is Israel 22:02.890 --> 22:07.690 But some of us were willing to push that aside as long as they're a part of the MAGA coalition instead 22:07.690 --> 22:09.710 They become the ultimate traders and saboteurs 22:09.710 --> 22:15.830 The and whenever I started voicing criticism and questions and concerns which I think even for Israel's own benefit 22:15.830 --> 22:19.090 This is war is not good. You know, they're getting hammered within the war 22:19.090 --> 22:22.470 But they're gonna have no allies left in the world and when you have no allies left in the world 22:22.470 --> 22:28.350 How how long do you think your small little nation can survive? You know nuclear war weapons only works as a deterrent 22:29.230 --> 22:33.150 To the degree that you have at least some degree of public buying around the world 22:33.630 --> 22:39.990 Otherwise you're gonna be a pariah state like North Korea and I don't think Israel can sustain that so I don't even think this is an 22:39.990 --> 22:43.770 Israel's best interest, but it became clear what Israel the lobby was up to 22:43.770 --> 22:49.790 And they were sabotaging everything else in the Trump administration the Justice Department's become an open pay-for-play scheme 22:50.630 --> 22:55.970 You can see this reported in everything from libertarian publications to the to the American prospect 22:56.790 --> 22:59.110 In terms of the antitrust division the Justice Department 22:59.110 --> 23:04.470 There's a you know the pardons are pay-for-play and a lot of and but what happens when you dig into these corruption 23:05.390 --> 23:09.030 Issues you'll find the same Israel lobby connected people people like the Laura 23:09.030 --> 23:12.450 Loser keep showing up connected to these items as well 23:12.450 --> 23:20.190 You know is it a coincidence that rumor went nuts on Tucker after Tucker disclosed that she's involved in a scam trying to rip off old people 23:20.730 --> 23:24.390 Connected to bogus a gold sales. Oh, yeah, probably not 23:24.390 --> 23:31.550 But yeah, the reaction to me has been whenever I voiced any criticism or skepticism or concern when and I'm a big believer in short term 23:31.550 --> 23:37.670 Medium term predictability listen to what somebody says and see if they they can make short medium term predictions that are accurate 23:37.670 --> 23:43.010 And so on the Iran conflict I followed people like Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis and Colonel Douglas McGregor 23:43.010 --> 23:48.130 The Doran Alexander McCorris and Alex Christopher Daniel Davis another guy. They tried to keep out of the administration 23:48.130 --> 23:51.770 They successfully kept out of the administration. They did swampy Susie. Yeah, the 23:52.410 --> 23:57.370 Was the one who helped lock him because Tulsi Gabbard wanted them in and so the but yeah 23:57.370 --> 24:03.230 The reaction has been hey Barnes when you originally gave that criticism. It sounded better than the original German, you know the 24:04.370 --> 24:05.810 Where's your little Nazi outfit? 24:05.810 --> 24:10.310 Do you like to go step around the office and on your house when you wake up in the morning and all the anti 24:10.310 --> 24:12.790 Nothing, it's really stupid about equating 24:13.370 --> 24:20.530 support or opposition to Israel's particular policies with the religion or identity of Judaism is it increases 24:21.050 --> 24:25.210 Antisemitism it doesn't decrease it when it's a complete lies. Ionism and Judaism are not the same thing 24:25.210 --> 24:29.530 Ask any a lot of orthodox Jews who will go on a long lecture about how heretical 24:29.530 --> 24:35.450 Zionism is or talk to a lot of liberal and left-wing Jews who are highly critical of Zionism and have been from its inception 24:35.450 --> 24:41.070 So you have that aspect one out of four Israelis opposed Jewish Israelis opposed this war in Iran 24:41.070 --> 24:45.650 So there's people in Israel who do not agree that BB Netanyahu equals Judaism 24:45.650 --> 24:48.330 Any more than Israel equals Judaism 24:48.330 --> 24:54.610 But what that does is that jacks up the anti-semitism the Nick Fuentes of the world look look prescient 24:54.610 --> 25:01.090 Now because of all of this now it's all people if you listen to Nick Fuentes and Scott Horton Scott Horton's been a lot more accurate than Nick 25:01.090 --> 25:02.310 went there so the 25:02.310 --> 25:08.310 But the you look at to the people that have been on the war skeptical side the Israel skeptical side 25:08.310 --> 25:14.110 It comes from detailed diligent study of these issues for the past 30 40 years and we're just now 25:14.110 --> 25:19.170 It's coming to fruition in a mushroom cloud. I mean, that's how bad it 25:19.170 --> 25:24.830 Is becoming and the risk that we run and the that's why Tucker Carlson anti-semitic 25:24.830 --> 25:30.770 There's not anti-semitic bone in his body Brett Weinstein anti-semitic Jew hating Jew self-loathing. I mean, this is insanity 25:30.770 --> 25:35.130 They're using the rhetoric and language of the left because they need to censor and shame 25:35.130 --> 25:43.230 In order to suppress the knowledge and awareness that these are dangerous policies because America's government has been hijacked by a foreign nation 25:43.770 --> 25:47.470 I want to back up something you said that that thing about the gold scams. That's not 25:48.190 --> 25:53.570 That's not being overstated. That is a that's a real thing and I won't take just a minute on this so Tucker 25:54.270 --> 25:55.570 Along with another guy 25:56.110 --> 26:04.650 basically started a gold or he partnered in a gold company because what what has but continues to happen in the podcasting world is 26:05.550 --> 26:10.650 When it comes to gold a gold dealer is operating on very very thin margins 26:10.650 --> 26:13.590 So if you're promoting a gold company on a podcast 26:13.590 --> 26:20.630 You the commissions you would earn or the the advertising review would earn is gonna be very low because the margins are low 26:20.630 --> 26:28.210 But these scam companies who are gonna scam Fox News viewers who are retired into into overpaying 26:28.210 --> 26:33.610 Paying a premium for collectible coins, which is a mistake on multiple levels 26:34.190 --> 26:36.270 they can pay very high 26:36.270 --> 26:37.570 commissions and 26:38.470 --> 26:45.270 Advertising rates to podcasters because they're making a ton of money because they're screwing people out of their money and it 26:45.270 --> 26:49.390 It should be obvious that that's what's happening like a podcast host should know 26:49.390 --> 26:54.010 There's no way I should be making this much money selling gold at the spot price 26:54.010 --> 26:57.150 I mean, there's no reason this should be happening, but they either 26:57.690 --> 27:03.690 Weren't bright enough to look into it any deeper or you know, heaven forbid they were in on it 27:03.690 --> 27:08.250 But the fact is this has been going on on podcast after podcast after podcast 27:08.250 --> 27:12.730 where the host just sees dollar signs and doesn't ask questions and 27:13.610 --> 27:16.270 That's the case for a lot of these people 27:16.270 --> 27:23.350 So that's it doesn't matter how you feel about Tucker pro or con on this. He is a hundred percent right 27:23.350 --> 27:27.690 Now on on the other stuff. Um, I I want to say 27:28.370 --> 27:33.110 Urge people to watch the interview that Tucker did just several days ago 27:33.630 --> 27:38.550 not the interview he did on his own show with Piers Morgan, but the interview he did on Piers Morgan's show and 27:39.650 --> 27:42.510 That to me as if I didn't know already 27:43.510 --> 27:48.930 Revealed why it is. They're so berserk about Tucker. I mean, there are other people who have expressed 27:49.670 --> 27:52.350 Concern about the American-Israeli relationship 27:52.930 --> 27:56.830 Obviously Tucker has very high ratings. So that's a big reason that they're paying attention 27:56.830 --> 28:02.450 But the other thing is he doesn't sound crazy, you know, they they try to say, oh, he's lost his mind 28:02.450 --> 28:08.250 He's this or that. No, it's the opposite. It's precisely because he comes across as so reasonable 28:08.250 --> 28:09.930 In fact Piers Morgan, you know 28:09.930 --> 28:14.930 Who's been accused of being too pro-Israel and too anti-Israel? So, you know, he's in the middle said, you know 28:14.930 --> 28:20.230 I I can barely think of anything. I disagreed with you about in this interview. Piers is pretty much right down the middle 28:20.850 --> 28:28.130 And that's the thing is that he's explaining it in ways that are not hysterical and not crazy and 28:28.130 --> 28:32.750 Just persuasive enough to make even a hardened Fox News person think well 28:33.230 --> 28:36.390 And when you put it like that, I guess I don't really like the way that sounds 28:36.390 --> 28:39.650 So that's got to be part of it is actually that he's good at it 28:39.650 --> 28:46.010 Oh, I think no doubt and I think the fact that these are people that have Tucker previously strongly supported Israel 28:46.570 --> 28:52.150 People like myself strongly supported Israel people like Megan Kelly strongly supported the Israel people like Piers Morgan 28:52.150 --> 28:58.610 Strongly supported Israel and mostly we are just reflective and representative of what is broadly happening 28:58.610 --> 29:02.150 Like I'll get people that will attack me say ponder. Crazy. You've lost your mind 29:02.150 --> 29:08.250 Oh, it's like okay. So Alex Jones also lost his mind Joe Rogan also lost his mind the obon also lost his mind 29:08.250 --> 29:09.830 And they all became anti-Semitic 29:09.830 --> 29:15.150 Simultaneously, yeah, exactly. We all started suffering anti-Israeli virus 29:15.150 --> 29:21.190 The that spread somehow like COVID the or it could be the case that what we're seeing in public opinion 29:21.190 --> 29:23.650 Richard Barris people's public people's pundit daily 29:23.650 --> 29:30.210 The we even did a whole video on this last year breaking down the whole political history of American public opinion about Israel 29:30.210 --> 29:33.010 In which you could see we predicted it before it happened now 29:33.010 --> 29:38.430 It's actually happened said that you know that sometime over the next couple of years a majority of American more Americans 29:38.430 --> 29:41.530 Will side with the Palestinians and sympathize with the Palestinians in Israel 29:41.530 --> 29:45.950 We were just documenting to lies degree with Tucker's doing is simply representing 29:45.950 --> 29:52.370 What is broadly happening throughout the world which is that the world is rejecting Israel right now in the United States? 29:52.770 --> 30:00.830 Every generation other than boomers have a very negative view of Israel have an unfavorable view of Israel have a more sympathetic view of 30:00.830 --> 30:06.970 Palestinians and these are the Palestinians like that are affiliated or associated in court of public opinion with a mass of the Todd 30:06.970 --> 30:11.290 You know and all of that they still sympathize more with the Palestinians in with Israel 30:11.290 --> 30:15.550 It's not because they're so sympathetic toward the Palestinians. It's because they're that hostile to Israel 30:15.950 --> 30:19.530 particularly BB Netanyahu's Israel and the greater Israel project 30:20.110 --> 30:20.670 and 30:20.670 --> 30:27.150 What they what they've done in dragging us into all these conflicts was one thing the raising of Gaza to the to the 30:27.150 --> 30:33.850 Almost to the ground was the second thing and the third was dragging us into war that the don't drag us into another war 30:33.850 --> 30:36.770 at least of all with Iran and 30:36.770 --> 30:42.590 That's what the you know people like me the another person who was going through this exact same conversion in lifetime 30:42.590 --> 30:49.450 Who experienced mass be just because they were intellectually honest and they were listening to the community was Charlie Kirk 30:49.450 --> 30:54.850 The I mean I had these conversations offline with Charlie and the and they you know 30:54.850 --> 30:58.690 There's different branches within T turning point and so there's not going struggle there 30:58.690 --> 31:03.830 But I'll give them credit last week Charlie Kirk show put me on to talk about it for about half an hour 31:03.830 --> 31:05.750 And they got so much crap 31:05.750 --> 31:12.050 They got there was a massive cancellation campaign a demand the donors quit donating the turning point simply because the Charlie 31:12.050 --> 31:15.670 Kirk show had me on that was it was this on for a few minutes the 31:16.050 --> 31:23.350 The mark Levin was you know giving them free unsolicited advice of course about how do you know how to make sure to blacklist people like us and 31:23.990 --> 31:27.710 The to their credit they stood with it. They went on Megan Kelly said they're gonna do it again 31:27.710 --> 31:31.250 They wrecked me Andrew in particular knows how much Charlie 31:32.090 --> 31:35.370 Was Ted taken a different position increasingly on Israel 31:36.110 --> 31:41.190 The and you see them trying to gin up like a fear of Islamic presence in the United States 31:41.190 --> 31:46.070 And there's legitimate concerns mixed in there. I don't dispute that what's happening in Europe and other places 31:46.550 --> 31:52.390 But it's going to be exaggerated here in the United States large number of voters in Dearborn voted for Trump in 2024 31:52.850 --> 31:56.550 So Trump was proud of that. Yes. He was he solicited their votes 31:56.550 --> 32:01.870 He wanted their votes and you know now in the and now all of a sudden that's the great threat to America 32:01.870 --> 32:09.570 Not the Israel lobby hijacking our entire military economic and political policy for a tiny foreign nation to engage in a possible 32:10.150 --> 32:14.490 Apocalyptic war because Hague's death mean you talk about people falling off the wagon 32:14.490 --> 32:20.230 He fell off the neo wagon and went and just started binging like a madman the I mean 32:20.230 --> 32:23.230 I knew that he believed in some of these things, but I talked to him years ago 32:23.230 --> 32:28.130 He told me he'd rejected all that he's no longer part of that. He didn't like that, you know 32:28.130 --> 32:32.350 Maybe he was sincere. Maybe he wasn't some of these people. I don't know how much they were sincere now 32:32.350 --> 32:36.870 You do know there's criticisms out there about JD Vance Vance lobbied up obsessively 32:37.470 --> 32:41.910 Against this war in this conflict. That's why he got stuck in DC 32:41.910 --> 32:48.390 It wasn't Trump didn't even bring him to Mar-a-Lago to launch the attack and when everything JD told him said we got this risk 32:48.390 --> 32:50.730 This risk this risk started coming true 32:50.730 --> 32:58.470 Trump's reaction was to get in enraged and they get mad and and cancel certain PR of public events that JD was going to appear 32:58.470 --> 33:00.950 That's what he basically disappeared for about a week 33:01.630 --> 33:04.730 The to be Trump is frankly becoming King Lear mad 33:05.290 --> 33:12.670 By what I've heard from people up in the administration like he's Susie Wiles has literally instructed cabinet members to not deliver any 33:12.670 --> 33:16.590 Information to Trump that he could interpret negatively. That's how bad it is 33:16.590 --> 33:18.010 you know, so 33:19.190 --> 33:22.470 Unfortunately could get worse before it gets better, but Tulsi Gabbard 33:22.470 --> 33:25.910 I know there's been a lot of criticism over because he long said this war would be a disaster 33:25.910 --> 33:30.290 She did everything she could to try to stop this and yeah, could she resign? 33:30.290 --> 33:32.310 Yes, but then she's got no power at all 33:32.310 --> 33:37.210 Then she's got no influence at all and she's hopeful by constantly being there whispering in Trump's ear 33:37.210 --> 33:43.590 Maybe get him to take an exit ramp. Maybe get him to not escalate not would not go to ground forces 33:43.590 --> 33:46.530 And unfortunately the worst of the escalatory risk in Iran 33:47.390 --> 33:51.010 Tucker's absolutely right to warn people about is the use of nuclear weapons 33:51.010 --> 33:56.750 They are a seriously considering that as an option. So you got ground forces draft and nuclear weapons 33:56.750 --> 34:03.750 That's how this could get way out of hand and let's hope that the sound and sane voices get to the president enough to 34:03.750 --> 34:05.730 Stop them from escalating in that direction 34:08.030 --> 34:13.230 His stay to mind right now is the opposite of what it should be he should be saying 34:13.230 --> 34:19.510 Who who was it who pushed me into this stupid thing like these people I have to just turn off 34:19.510 --> 34:21.590 But he's not doing that 34:22.170 --> 34:24.850 As far as I mean, I don't know what goes on behind closed doors 34:24.850 --> 34:30.410 But I joked the other day on Twitter, you know, I'm a I'm a decent Twitter follow 34:30.410 --> 34:36.990 I think and I said look now that he's defending Mark Levin with this with this block of 34:37.750 --> 34:42.090 Impenetrable block of unreadable text last night or whenever it was 34:42.810 --> 34:45.490 You know with with all this going on 34:46.090 --> 34:50.290 Does this not maybe suggest to us that whatever it is they have on them 34:50.290 --> 34:57.270 Must be pretty terrible if he's reduced to what no self-respecting person would do namely writing a big 34:58.230 --> 35:00.870 Fawning tribute to Mark Levin of all people 35:01.650 --> 35:04.830 Yeah, I'm I'm worried about this and the thing is, you know when 35:05.570 --> 35:08.230 on the campaign trail and and into in 35:08.750 --> 35:14.270 2024 in particular, I think everybody who sympathized with Trump thought all right look we all know 35:14.270 --> 35:18.010 There's you know, there's something a little bit odd upstairs with the guy 35:18.010 --> 35:23.850 And he will fly off the handle at people who have been you know, he had been his longtime allies 35:23.850 --> 35:29.850 His his loyalty is not very great. He expects perfect loyalty to him, but he doesn't have to be loyal to anybody else 35:29.850 --> 35:33.090 Oh, you defended me through two impeachments. Oh, what have you done for me lately? 35:33.090 --> 35:37.810 It's his attitude toward Thomas Massey for example, but we all kind of I think thought well 35:37.810 --> 35:43.830 But offsetting that is the potential he has to do good offsetting that is is that 35:43.830 --> 35:49.070 But now it's he's in a situation where things are you know, obviously going badly and 35:50.190 --> 35:57.250 Now that part of his personality really comes to the fore and and if people are afraid to give him bad news 35:57.250 --> 36:02.270 Well, this is I don't know what to say about it. Yeah, it becomes very very dangerous 36:02.270 --> 36:03.510 So when I was a kid 36:03.510 --> 36:06.530 But dad dad when I was 11 and I had these two books 36:06.530 --> 36:12.510 I really just clung to for like the next year is sort of mentor guide guide sort of paternalistic guides 36:12.510 --> 36:17.750 One of them is Robert Kennedy seniors book to seek a newer world about his campaign text in 1968 36:17.750 --> 36:20.410 And the other one was Donald Trump's art of the deal 36:20.410 --> 36:25.170 I remember I should share that story with Bobby Kennedy Jr. Some years ago. He got a kick out of the 36:25.170 --> 36:32.430 But the thing I stuck to it are the deal was Trump had this unique mindset, which was expect the best 36:32.430 --> 36:34.830 But always plan for the worst 36:34.830 --> 36:39.690 So it was this great marriage of idealism almost utopianism 36:39.690 --> 36:46.090 Mixed with hardcore balanced and tethered by realism and I found it to be a very powerful 36:46.090 --> 36:48.990 Motivational tool it almost anything that I did professing 36:49.610 --> 36:53.670 Trump is now abandoned the latter part of that. He doesn't want any realism 36:53.670 --> 36:59.250 Instead, everything's got to just be positive thinking and this is where positive thinking can go awry 36:59.250 --> 37:03.730 It becomes wishful thinking it becomes hallucinatory self delusions 37:03.730 --> 37:09.590 And that's where Trump mentally is when people get confused where Trump says they don't Iran doesn't have any 37:09.590 --> 37:11.730 Boats, this is just a made-up made-up lie 37:12.270 --> 37:16.810 What this has been part of man's defense way back these go-fast type boats 37:16.810 --> 37:23.170 They can can their Navy is not a traditional Navy their army is not a traditional army the Air Force is not a traditional Air Force 37:23.170 --> 37:25.290 They knew they couldn't win that way instead 37:25.290 --> 37:28.990 They have a bunch of drones and underground ballistic missiles 37:28.990 --> 37:35.990 They have a bunch of underwater drones and go-fast boats with missiles attached to them that apparently sent the USS Lincoln 37:35.990 --> 37:37.810 Despite all of our false claims 37:37.810 --> 37:44.350 You know, everybody can see the satellite footage. It's going backwards. They're going forward the and Trump's out there saying no 37:44.350 --> 37:46.990 I think he he convinced it. He now he is told the truth 37:46.990 --> 37:48.610 He was told the truth best rates of our moves 37:48.610 --> 37:52.730 He was told the truth about their weapons about the regime change would collapse wouldn't happen 37:52.730 --> 37:55.090 He was told all this he just ignored it 37:55.090 --> 38:00.490 He refused to listen to it because of your memory the movie memento where the character 38:00.490 --> 38:04.750 Sorry if anybody out there listening hasn't seen the movie this a little bit of a spoiler 38:04.750 --> 38:09.370 So you could fast-forward 30 seconds if you want, but the character is very 38:09.370 --> 38:14.470 Basically loses his memory every night and what he does is he lies to himself during the day 38:14.470 --> 38:20.630 So that he will believe the lies the next day so that he can do horrific things in a conscientious way 38:20.630 --> 38:26.970 The and so the this memento memories where Trump is now anything negative. He shuts out and disappears 38:27.550 --> 38:32.650 Anything he wants to hear he enhances it and that's why you get this insanity this in real time 38:32.650 --> 38:34.830 We just destroyed a hundred percent of their military 38:35.670 --> 38:39.630 Except their drones their bombs their missiles and their and their soldiers. Let's look 38:40.090 --> 38:44.150 You didn't think about this when you put this burger, but that's what happens when you're operating it 38:44.150 --> 38:50.190 He's operating at continuous cognitive dissonance on a daily basis. We see it represented as public statements 38:50.190 --> 38:51.450 We see it in his troops 38:51.450 --> 38:57.710 But I've been hearing about this for months from high-ranking Trump administration officials that he was literally losing it that you 38:57.710 --> 39:02.630 Couldn't share any negative information and the problem is that's when you read the story 39:02.630 --> 39:06.070 Of the King leaders going mad that that sort of literary tradition 39:06.070 --> 39:07.730 represents a historical 39:08.430 --> 39:13.730 Tradition which is of people that you know the may have at one time been very good noble leaders 39:13.730 --> 39:19.370 But at some point lose it the reality is Trump has been losing it and the I mean 39:19.370 --> 39:22.410 I you know, I'm half kidding, but I'm literally only half kidding 39:22.410 --> 39:25.010 We're like lock him up in the White House movie room 39:25.010 --> 39:30.730 Show him just movies of how awesome he is and how great he is and people cheering him all the time 39:30.730 --> 39:35.130 And just let him stay there and somebody else run JD Vance run the country. 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That's I need 40:23.230 --> 40:28.010 SEO dot help easy to remember powerful for your small business 40:29.010 --> 40:31.630 The fact that in the middle of all this 40:32.390 --> 40:32.830 somehow 40:33.590 --> 40:37.450 the president found time to write this thing for 40:37.450 --> 40:44.250 Mark Levin who had been attacked by Megan Kelly not unprovoked obviously he'd been attacking Megan Kelly 40:45.310 --> 40:48.350 Over and over and over consistently and viciously 40:48.930 --> 40:53.290 Day of week and month after month and she finally just had it and you know 40:53.290 --> 40:55.270 Well, I think was a bit vulgar in her response 40:55.270 --> 40:58.960 but I I can't say I don't sympathize with her and 40:59.850 --> 41:05.230 Obviously Levin goes crying to Trump and Trump obliges him instead of saying grow up 41:05.230 --> 41:08.710 You're an old man for heaven's sake. You're a granddad, you know 41:08.710 --> 41:12.490 You who cares if somebody on social media is calling you a name 41:12.490 --> 41:17.590 But no he interviewed be why because because Levin's a flatterer 41:17.590 --> 41:24.250 Levin understands that if you want to appeal to this man, it's through flattery and it's through implied threats like 41:24.250 --> 41:27.650 You know putting your arm around him telling him how great he is 41:27.650 --> 41:34.790 But he's great because he's done these particular things and then posting on Twitter that I know the president would never 41:34.790 --> 41:38.170 Give in and just negotiate on this because what is there to go? 41:38.450 --> 41:43.770 I know which means I'm ready to jump ship the second this guy doesn't do exactly what I want 41:43.770 --> 41:49.450 It's incredible that you would want a friend like that because that's not really a friend. Oh 41:49.450 --> 41:53.110 No, no, I mean Mark Levin for those people may not remember was so in never Trump 41:53.110 --> 41:57.890 He refused to vote for him in 2016 the general elect so that's who Martin Levin is but you're right 41:57.890 --> 42:00.810 The this is what a high-ranking Trump official told me two months ago 42:00.810 --> 42:04.770 They said a Barnes Trump only respects sick of fans and killers 42:05.250 --> 42:09.370 So he goes the problem is you no longer wants the killers around what does that mean? 42:09.370 --> 42:13.030 All he gets his flatterers and sick of fans now JD Vance 42:13.030 --> 42:18.510 He can't remove because he's vice president. He's elected official so Vance can be more direct and blunt 42:18.510 --> 42:22.870 But whatever Trump doesn't like what he says. He just starts systematically excluding JD 42:23.610 --> 42:27.850 Start stripping him of different power and authority Vance was supposed to be in charge of the fraud 42:27.850 --> 42:31.650 prosecutions and a new overlapping fraud assistant attorney general position 42:32.290 --> 42:38.070 And because Vance was constantly being critical of the Iran war idea all the way back to January 42:38.070 --> 42:44.650 Trump stripped him of it and gave that power back to the Justice Department and now Vance's role is purely ceremonial purely a press role 42:44.650 --> 42:50.390 So the it's it's he's lose and I've told people the only the way you're gonna get through the Trump is to get up 42:50.390 --> 42:52.330 And get right up in front of him smack him in the face 42:52.330 --> 42:58.370 The reality is the only really the only way you're gonna get negative information to him is not going the sycophant route 42:58.370 --> 42:59.590 But by being the killer route 43:00.290 --> 43:02.250 And Trump let you know the despite his 43:03.030 --> 43:07.750 He'll protest a wine. He'll squeal. He'll complain. He'll throw a temper tantrum 43:07.750 --> 43:11.990 But it will get through to him and at some point unconsciously starts to move him 43:11.990 --> 43:17.050 Even if he doesn't want to be moved and then the sycophantic thing is you plant the idea as if it was his idea 43:17.050 --> 43:19.190 That's why I love Tim Dillon's early 43:19.190 --> 43:25.430 Could be routine this past podcast where Dylan was explaining, you know, maybe the new Iranian leader despite 43:25.430 --> 43:30.630 The supreme leader despite having his father his mother his wife and his young daughter just murdered 43:31.250 --> 43:33.110 You know, maybe he'll be really good 43:33.690 --> 43:37.530 Because we don't know what his family relations were like. That was Dylan's joke 43:37.530 --> 43:42.050 But the but he progressed with he goes I'm for anything that will convince this president to get out 43:42.050 --> 43:45.010 Tell him whatever lie you need to tell him. Tell him whatever fan 43:45.010 --> 43:48.370 Do you know what whatever it is anything that gets us out? You're a huge winner, Mr. 43:48.450 --> 43:49.610 President you did something nothing 43:49.610 --> 43:54.370 Oh, nobody else could ever do but the only way you can guarantee this win is gotta gotta get us out now 43:54.370 --> 43:57.230 Because otherwise they'll say you've lost if you're still there in a week 43:57.230 --> 44:00.930 So the I'll give Dylan credit for that but Trump is losing his mind 44:00.930 --> 44:06.490 He really is losing his mind and it's an ongoing risk his his modus operandi the way you approach is 44:06.490 --> 44:11.570 I mean, I'll give an example the other way in which they're enforcing this and this connects to Tucker and what's happening with Trump 44:11.570 --> 44:16.610 They went to a bunch of Republican pollsters a month ago and said if you want to get 44:17.530 --> 44:20.010 Any contract from any pack 44:20.570 --> 44:24.150 Connected at all to the Trump cause of the Republican Party 44:24.150 --> 44:30.330 You are not going to publish or print any polls that show Trump badly underwater or 44:30.330 --> 44:34.190 negative any negative information on either the Epstein files or the Iran war and 44:34.670 --> 44:40.130 The very prominently Mark Mitchell of Rasmussen suddenly disappeared from social media at that time Frank 44:40.130 --> 44:47.790 And all of a sudden Rasmussen started printing polls. It made no sense the Mark Mitchell wasn't there doing those polls by all appearances the 44:47.790 --> 44:52.190 See, you know people like Richard Barris were like screw you. I'm gonna be an honest pollster 44:52.190 --> 44:53.530 I'm not gonna be intimidated by anybody 44:53.530 --> 44:57.630 But I would love to I would love to get him on if there's some way I could do that 44:57.630 --> 44:59.210 In touch 44:59.710 --> 45:03.070 River to riches, you know, he's like maybe five foot eight, but he's a tough 45:03.070 --> 45:06.250 But he's somebody who could take down somebody who's six foot ten, you know, the okay 45:06.250 --> 45:09.010 Well, I'm only five foot six. So this I'm not even in the picture 45:10.070 --> 45:15.930 But you know, he's served in our military great guy people's pundit big data poll does all kinds of detailed polling 45:16.550 --> 45:23.510 1776 law center recently did a nationwide survey to feed to everybody that's running for office or in office on all these popular populist 45:23.510 --> 45:30.170 Policies that just re-empower people away from the government whether it's food freedom or medical freedom political freedom financial freedom 45:30.170 --> 45:37.930 Being able to take on these centralized institutions of big ag big pharma big tech and big media the and so 45:37.930 --> 45:42.930 But he was the only one to refuse insider advantage went along Trafalgar went along and so what happens? 45:43.250 --> 45:45.210 They start feeding fake polls to the president 45:45.210 --> 45:48.850 It starts being this circle this knowing of circular logic 45:48.850 --> 45:55.330 But a circle of bad intel and information and then it's being reinforced by all the conservative influencers or secretly on 45:55.330 --> 46:00.050 Israeli payroll or have been intimidated or have been captured by their audience 46:00.050 --> 46:03.170 Because they've been flooding. I mean you've probably seen this on X 46:03.170 --> 46:08.290 I've been getting even that that fake Shaw of Iran that the son of the former Shaw of Iran 46:08.290 --> 46:10.470 He showed up in my response and replies 46:11.090 --> 46:14.310 To it if you can't do a poll now on X that's honest anymore 46:14.310 --> 46:19.170 It'll be honest for about an hour and then after that the bots flood it and suddenly oh everybody loves war 46:19.170 --> 46:25.070 Everybody wants this everybody loves the fake Shaw the so the they've been using the bot armies 46:25.070 --> 46:29.390 They've been using social media. They're rating people's YouTube tats rumble tats, etc 46:29.390 --> 46:35.870 These accounts you've never seen before from names. You've never seen before making crazy allegations or accusations the moment 46:35.870 --> 46:42.690 You say anything critical of the war or the Epstein file handling or President Trump or of Israel's policies and politics 46:42.690 --> 46:47.150 I mean Israel just allowed one of the worst war crimes in the modern era 46:47.150 --> 46:52.610 Let them all walk a bunch of Israeli soldiers were systematically raping an abusing pit 46:52.610 --> 47:00.490 Palestinian detainees caught on tape doing so an Irene an Israeli whistleblower blew the whistle in Israeli doctor 47:00.490 --> 47:06.750 Was the main testifying witness and they dropped the whole case and BB Netanyahu went out there and said or at least 47:06.750 --> 47:09.610 Ex-account said you know, we're not sure where BB is these days 47:09.610 --> 47:13.350 But they said it's a blood libel to point out 47:13.350 --> 47:19.510 These are morally legally horrific things that these soldiers did and they did it in the name of Israel 47:19.510 --> 47:25.690 And so the and then bunch of the Israeli public cheered it because they've kind of lost you you know 47:25.690 --> 47:27.190 Well, you live through it. We both did 47:27.990 --> 47:33.890 It's post 9-1 and my mom post 9-11 madness, right? Or were people like it's okay. What's happening at Abu Ghraib? 47:33.890 --> 47:40.710 It's okay. What's happening in Guantanamo. It's okay. We're renditioning likely innocent people to hell holes all around the world the 47:41.210 --> 47:46.890 Because they became so morally degraded they looked into the vests and the abyss stared back and they became the monster 47:46.890 --> 47:50.790 They sought to destroy it and I think there's part of that going on in the Israeli public 47:50.790 --> 47:56.830 So now particularly was not the time to we'll have BB Netanyahu drag us around the nose to any conflict around the world 47:57.410 --> 48:02.610 But anybody who points it out is gonna get attacked gonna be demonized gonna be so I mean the other thing 48:02.610 --> 48:04.490 They did to those these are posters 48:04.490 --> 48:10.970 They told these posters if you keep being publicly critical of President Trump on these particular issues ran or an Epstein files 48:10.970 --> 48:15.770 Then Pam Bondi is gonna use the Justice Department to come after you I mean it was literally 48:15.770 --> 48:20.710 I know because I was getting calls panic calls from them afterward a barn's way represent me 48:20.710 --> 48:24.450 This actually happens the so that tells you the level of insanity 48:24.450 --> 48:28.870 You're talking like Nixon walking around looking at you know talking to the paintings as if they're real 48:28.870 --> 48:32.450 1974 in terms of where Trump's mindset is and the entire 48:33.170 --> 48:34.130 collectocratic corrupt 48:34.130 --> 48:40.930 Israel first class that has surrounded him in positions of political power are so eager to line their own pockets with all this that they 48:40.930 --> 48:47.310 Keep Trump in denial is to the political and an everyday military reality. You see Hex death out there just pitching 48:47.310 --> 48:51.730 Oh, we have a complete air superiority. Well, why haven't we hit anything in Eastern Iran then yet? 48:52.310 --> 48:56.990 I mean the it's these are oh nobody our plane just magically fell from the sky 48:56.990 --> 48:59.770 Oh, not that Iranian weapons took him down 48:59.770 --> 49:03.890 Which is by the way happened multiple times as Larry Johnson has confirmed the former CIA analyst 49:03.890 --> 49:08.050 Who stole his deep ties and connections throughout the military intelligence world? 49:08.590 --> 49:11.790 So it's unfortunately it's gonna get more dangerous rather than less 49:11.790 --> 49:15.570 But don't be surprised if you're seeing, you know, you know bought back 49:16.190 --> 49:21.050 Accounts suddenly surge out of the blue. Oh weird attacks out of the blue 49:21.050 --> 49:27.670 Efforts to demonize smear censor anybody who voices any dissident information at all about the war of the conflict 49:28.650 --> 49:32.130 We've already seen lots of it and it's gonna get worse before it gets better 49:32.590 --> 49:34.270 Well, last thing and then I'll let you go 49:34.270 --> 49:38.090 This is an area where you and I are very interested in the subject 49:38.090 --> 49:42.810 But we're not experts and that is just just sheer political analysis. I just I guess I want to ask you in 49:42.810 --> 49:44.570 2028 I 49:44.570 --> 49:47.310 I think a lot of people just assumed that it would just be natural that 49:47.310 --> 49:50.210 JD Vance would be the clear standard bearer 49:50.210 --> 49:56.330 And if you were gonna run in the Republican primary, you would know that you were facing a huge huge uphill climb 49:56.330 --> 50:03.230 But all of this going on as you have strongly suggested here at the very least complicates that scenario 50:03.230 --> 50:05.950 We also have the neocons pushing for Rubio 50:06.970 --> 50:10.850 Rubio as the nominee would be the ultimate way of saying we've learned nothing 50:10.850 --> 50:13.870 But we learn not a thing in our entire adult lives 50:13.870 --> 50:21.310 We want Marco Rubio, but I guess my question is it's not a I don't know if it's a should question or it's a do you expect question? 50:21.670 --> 50:25.610 There to be somebody on that debate stage who will 50:26.150 --> 50:27.250 represent this 50:28.090 --> 50:33.690 America first wing of the movement the one that would they're pretending never existed you just misinterpreted us 50:33.690 --> 50:37.390 You don't know what you're talking about or you're a Nazi or whatever that whole thing 50:38.090 --> 50:43.850 It you know somebody like a Thomas Massey who I don't know if he's you know a great presidential candidate or not 50:43.870 --> 50:48.570 I guess we'd have to see or even a Tucker Carlson himself if he would dare risk that 50:48.570 --> 50:53.910 Do you think that would be good or and or do you expect something like that to happen? 50:54.570 --> 50:58.150 I do think there'll be the thing I'm most curious about is 50:58.870 --> 51:04.070 Not so much to the primary competition, but the surge of independent or third-party options 51:04.070 --> 51:08.930 so I think that I think you because if Republicans nominate a Rubio and 51:09.570 --> 51:14.330 Democrats nominate another neoliberal war whore then I think we can see you know 51:14.330 --> 51:20.910 You generally the UK tends to run in parallel with US political trends wise so you go all the way back 51:20.910 --> 51:26.270 You know you could say you know the tertiary getting thrown out is like the Democrats getting thrown out in 1946 51:26.270 --> 51:31.910 You know the Harold Wilson it was very much a Jimmy Carter type in the 1970s 51:31.910 --> 51:33.050 Margaret Thatcher 51:33.870 --> 51:37.330 previewed Ronald Reagan surge for our election 79 his and 80 51:37.330 --> 51:40.470 You know John major was a lot like poppy bush 51:41.010 --> 51:45.290 You know Tony Blair was a lot like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama the 51:45.290 --> 51:51.650 The the Tory establishment was a lot like the Republican House and Senate establishment in the mid to end the 51:52.510 --> 51:52.990 2010s 51:53.470 --> 51:58.170 UK voting for Brexit very much presaged and previewed Trump's election in 2016 51:58.710 --> 52:03.670 So you but what do you see right now in the UK the three dominant parties for more than a century labor 52:03.670 --> 52:07.890 Tories and liberal Democrats are by most public opinion surveys 52:08.670 --> 52:13.470 Expected to not even meaningfully exist after the next parliamentary elections 52:13.470 --> 52:20.010 They're going to be replaced by the Greens on the left and reform any and some other populist parties on the right 52:20.010 --> 52:24.130 For the first time in modern UK well over a century of UK history 52:24.130 --> 52:29.890 So that suggests to me that we may be in the same position. We were in say 1828 or 52:29.890 --> 52:30.670 1860 52:31.110 --> 52:38.250 The where you have a whole new party suddenly surge out of the blue out of the ashes of a dead political establishment 52:38.250 --> 52:45.070 And I think what I'm most in we already tested at 1776 law center amongst voters who recognize the name 52:45.070 --> 52:50.970 Thomas Massey is getting close to 20% of the vote as an independent third-party candidate in 52:50.970 --> 52:54.370 2028 already and that's what half the country not even knowing who he is 52:54.370 --> 53:00.650 That's the appetite for an independent third-party challenge somebody who will break this two-party duopoly 53:01.050 --> 53:03.230 I think you will see and I think the most likely 53:04.190 --> 53:07.270 Candidates because of America's tough ballot action access laws 53:07.270 --> 53:11.230 I've litigated that for 25 years for various independent third-party candidate 53:11.230 --> 53:18.530 The easiest way to do it would be for the left to join the Greens and elevate them and for the left populist on that side 53:18.530 --> 53:23.090 And the right populist to take over and the anti-war crowd to take over the libertarians 53:23.610 --> 53:27.330 The the key is whether that can happen. I mean you've been part of those inside battles 53:27.330 --> 53:32.030 So there's a bunch of us working together right now that on that popular side 53:32.030 --> 53:38.990 That want to really reinvigorate the anti-war anti-banking establishment anti-federal reserve 53:39.530 --> 53:46.450 These anti, you know Wall Street concentration of power all of these institutions that are degrading America's 53:46.450 --> 53:53.450 Constitutional Republic and are an imminent threat to that constitutional Republic real accountability on COVID in deep state other aspects 53:53.450 --> 53:59.510 That I think that's what you may see it may happen much faster than anybody could think possible 53:59.510 --> 54:04.290 So I think 2028 it's gonna bring some revolutionary change or be the beginning 54:04.290 --> 54:13.570 Trimmers of a political earthquake that five ten years from now Republican and Democratic parties may not even exist in their modern form. I 54:13.570 --> 54:23.430 Guess I misled you when I said the last thing I want to give you a minute or two to talk about the 1776 Law Center. Oh 54:23.430 --> 54:27.550 It's meant to be kind of a counterpoint to the ACL use of the world and the corporate establishment types 54:27.550 --> 54:32.590 So 1776 Law Center you can find it 1776 law center calm is 54:33.210 --> 54:39.410 Designed to defend people about the court of public opinion and get lawyers and advocates to represent people in the courts of law 54:39.410 --> 54:46.210 On issues of public policy on issues where their cases or causes are have a broader importance than them 54:46.210 --> 54:49.270 And where they do not have the economic means or political 54:49.270 --> 54:54.570 Patriotage to be able to get the attention of the court of public opinion or effective advocacy in court 54:54.570 --> 54:55.950 So this includes food freedom 54:55.950 --> 55:02.070 We represent Amos Miller and a bunch of Amish farmers who are you know trying to state your right to buy food directly from the farmer 55:02.070 --> 55:05.750 Without getting a government permission slip in advance. We've been 55:06.310 --> 55:12.870 Promoting these ideas and at the state local and federal level in terms of actual policy changes in reforms as well 55:12.870 --> 55:18.650 The Sam medical freedom is another big one representing people who are wrongfully mandated the COVID vaccine 55:19.270 --> 55:24.870 Who were who were discriminated against for religious and other reasons related to their objections to the COVID vaccines 55:24.870 --> 55:29.990 Trying to establish the precedent that big pharma should be held liable when their vaccines cause injury 55:30.510 --> 55:34.210 The that nobody should be immune or above the law in that context 55:34.210 --> 55:38.530 So a wide range of issues connected to medical freedom the on political freedom 55:38.530 --> 55:46.090 This is opposing censorship opposing everything connected to censorship whether it's related to some dumb war or or some bad policy like 55:46.090 --> 55:47.170 COVID and 55:47.170 --> 55:49.570 Advocating for a range of clients in that context 55:49.570 --> 55:55.390 But also public advocacy changes and then financial freedom advocating for you know unleashing Bitcoin 55:55.930 --> 55:57.530 auditing the Federal Reserve 55:57.530 --> 56:04.350 Not allowing banks to discriminate against people based on their political beliefs when these are politically protected utilities 56:04.350 --> 56:08.870 Privileged at a major level by state and federal governments particularly the federal government 56:08.870 --> 56:13.950 So, you know reinstating all form, you know having true free market enterprise 56:13.950 --> 56:19.950 So there isn't these big antitrust monopolies that are anti competitive and strip us of our free market liberties and rights 56:19.950 --> 56:26.730 So we recommend and we represent all those different constituencies everybody from Kyle written out to the Covington kids from Alex Jones 56:27.350 --> 56:33.650 To Amos Miller. So you can support it. We're doing a big fundraiser up at the we're gonna do an Amish outing 56:33.650 --> 56:41.690 People come Amos Miller's farm enjoy the food have a picnic see the farm meet the family go on little buggy rides all that jazz 56:41.690 --> 56:49.150 On my birthday is a fundraiser for 1776 law center being get all that information 1776 law center dot com 56:49.930 --> 56:56.350 All right, 1776 law center calm. I'll have it linked at Tom Woods comm slash 2744 56:57.390 --> 56:58.350 Robert Barnes 56:59.610 --> 57:02.370 Glad to be in whatever this crazy fight is 57:02.930 --> 57:06.650 Together with you didn't think we'd have to find we thought we won this fight 57:06.650 --> 57:09.830 Didn't think we have to keep fighting it over again against the very people 57:09.830 --> 57:16.110 We thought had won it with us, but here we are. Thanks so much Robert. 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