WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.060 really my love is to get to the actual cause of people's problems which is almost always 00:06.060 --> 00:14.520 mental emotional and belief systems and family crisis and family trauma coming through the gene line 00:15.080 --> 00:21.000 this is the true health report where critical appraisal fuels true freedom 00:27.440 --> 00:32.060 hello and welcome to the true health report i'm your host Dr. Andrew Kaufman 00:32.580 --> 00:39.260 now today i have more than a guest that i'm going to have a discussion with i would really 00:39.260 --> 00:47.940 call him a legend and he is none other than paul check now paul has had a very distinguished career 00:48.460 --> 00:59.760 and life in general he was a boxer and a triathlete for the army and became a trainer and evolved 00:59.760 --> 01:06.340 into learning several different healing disciplines and has incorporated essentially 01:06.340 --> 01:14.420 natural healing into his process and other very important things like alchemy that we're going 01:14.420 --> 01:20.720 to discuss today and paul founded the check institute where he's been training professionals 01:20.720 --> 01:28.040 to work with clients on health issues on sports and athleticism and many other things 01:28.040 --> 01:33.920 personal philosophy dealing with psychological stress and many other things and we're going to 01:33.920 --> 01:41.840 explore his experience and the current models based on all these decades of wisdom and knowledge 01:41.840 --> 01:47.580 and experience so welcome paul it's a great pleasure to be with you you're one of my heroes 01:47.580 --> 01:53.280 so it's fun to hang out with you and have a dialogue and i'm just super grateful and proud 01:53.280 --> 02:00.000 of you for being you know when i i didn't know about you tell covid but when i found you i was just 02:00.000 --> 02:04.920 like finally there's a doctor with some common sense who's got the balls to tell the truth and so 02:05.640 --> 02:10.500 uh you've been a very important person and i've turned on countless thousands of people 02:10.500 --> 02:14.960 and students to your work because i think it's super important and you've been a guest on my 02:14.960 --> 02:20.120 podcast twice both of which i really enjoyed and so did my listeners well i enjoyed it as well 02:20.120 --> 02:26.960 and it's very nice of you to say those things and you know as i really have researched and 02:26.960 --> 02:34.580 investigated how you approach these issues i find that we are really tightly aligned on our 02:35.240 --> 02:43.900 philosophy of health and healing so it's great to have you know a compadre in that respect here 02:44.680 --> 02:50.460 talking about this because you know clearly we came to these truths by our own unique paths 02:50.460 --> 02:58.660 yes but nevertheless we arrived similarly so i was listening to a recent lecture of yours 02:58.660 --> 03:04.500 and i thought it might be fun to talk about this and then go into the underlying concepts 03:05.040 --> 03:10.300 but you mentioned that you knew of several people you know you said dying from poops 03:10.770 --> 03:16.440 yeah so can you tell us a little bit about that and let's kind of analyze it a little bit 03:16.440 --> 03:24.040 yeah well it's actually statistically known that the most common time men die of heart attacks 03:24.040 --> 03:31.620 is on monday morning which psychologists link back to the stress that people are you know in my own 03:31.620 --> 03:38.080 way of paraphrasing are are really living in flatland they're not they're not their heart's 03:38.080 --> 03:44.200 in their life they're they're they're doing what they've been programmed to do to make a living etc 03:45.660 --> 03:52.320 and i had read this research many many years ago and i was working with and a man that was 03:52.320 --> 04:00.460 extremely fit probably about your age at that time he was a he was a green beret who had 04:00.460 --> 04:06.980 done multiple tours in vietnam and could still do like 40 chin-ups he was like steal this guy 04:08.080 --> 04:14.320 but he was having some health challenges and i was just getting into his life issues with him 04:15.180 --> 04:21.580 and then he didn't show up for his next appointment and then i i had to investigate and i found out 04:21.580 --> 04:26.360 that he died of a heart attack while having a bowel movement first thing on monday morning 04:27.300 --> 04:35.440 and i've known of other people men mostly successful executive types to die having a 04:35.440 --> 04:41.900 bowel movement on monday morning and so you know if a person for example is even a little bit 04:41.900 --> 04:49.460 constipated they have to generate quite a valsalva maneuver and that's exactly what creates weight 04:49.460 --> 04:56.140 lifters heart and i know all about it because for years i was really focusing on strongman lifts 04:56.140 --> 05:01.580 and i was doing a lot of very intense lifting and at that time i was doing single arm cleaning 05:01.580 --> 05:08.700 and jerks for sets of four with 160 pound dumbbell and all sorts of other you know very intense 05:08.700 --> 05:16.340 lifting and i began to have a really bad case of tachycardia and bradycardia and woke up in 05:16.340 --> 05:21.140 the middle of the night feeling like my heart was going to jump right out of my chest went to a 05:21.140 --> 05:26.360 doctor friend of mine who quickly diagnosed i had weight lifters heart so i had to switch over 05:26.360 --> 05:33.700 to doing more of a circuit style slash aerobic workout and after about two months the whole 05:33.700 --> 05:39.960 condition just evaporated and then i became much more careful to undulate my periodization so that 05:39.960 --> 05:46.280 i didn't overload my heart but the point making is the same thing that gives you weight lifters 05:46.280 --> 05:54.700 heart uh which hypertrophies the left ventricle is demonstrating that there's enough pressure on 05:54.700 --> 06:02.040 the heart to put a lot of load on the heart and if a person is backed up at all and they have to 06:02.040 --> 06:08.320 create a valsalva maneuver and their heart's not healthy and i and i think it can be heart health 06:08.320 --> 06:15.820 from a mental emotional perspective as well as a physiological perspective because this guy that 06:15.820 --> 06:20.680 i was working with was by no means a guy that was eating junk food or living the kind of 06:20.680 --> 06:26.240 lifestyle that you'd think would set him up for a heart attack but he was really what i would classify 06:26.240 --> 06:33.220 as being full on in a midlife crisis and so the pressure of generating a bowel movement was enough 06:33.220 --> 06:38.940 to just you know blow the circuits and off he went to hang out with god for a while and and 06:38.940 --> 06:45.320 maybe redream but uh i don't think this is at all uncommon and i think it's very real 06:46.040 --> 06:51.920 and so there's two messages in there if you're not living from your heart and enjoying your life and 06:51.920 --> 06:56.260 taking responsibility for what you create your heart carries that burden physically 06:56.260 --> 07:01.180 emotionally and mentally and if you're a weight lifter and you're not undulating your 07:01.180 --> 07:05.240 periodization so that you give your heart a break from heavy lifting once in a while you 07:05.240 --> 07:13.500 could end up dying while having a poop now uh paul have you ever heard of anyone who 07:13.500 --> 07:21.420 had a heart attack during a poop but survived i have not so this is interesting because and i 07:22.050 --> 07:26.480 i agree with everything you said but i have a slightly different perspective on it so 07:27.240 --> 07:32.860 i had a client who actually came to me with heart failure which probably was a result of the heart 07:32.860 --> 07:41.500 attack but who described almost the same thing as you described there woke up with like you 07:41.500 --> 07:49.560 know dripping sweat massive chest pain and an urge to have a bowel movement went on the toilet 07:50.900 --> 07:57.900 had the chest pain built while he was pushing out the stool and then had a massive bowel movement 07:58.630 --> 08:05.480 and then basically completely recovered crawled back into his room fell asleep woke up the 08:05.480 --> 08:14.020 next morning felt normal so what i think may be going on is that there's kind of the underlying 08:14.020 --> 08:22.420 cause and then there's the trigger so the the underlying cause is that there is toxicity in 08:22.420 --> 08:28.340 the body and it precipitates a healing crisis which could be created by the trigger so even 08:28.340 --> 08:36.940 your uh green beret friend who had a clean lifestyle um let's say just for possibility 08:36.940 --> 08:44.040 that 10 years prior to that he had been eating seed oils on the regular because there's a lot of 08:44.580 --> 08:51.320 indirect or epidemiologic data to suggest that seed oils and there's even some controlled studies 08:51.320 --> 09:00.300 may be one of the primary causes of cardiovascular disease yeah and it those oils can stay in your 09:00.300 --> 09:06.980 body fat now even if you have really low body fat it still can be in the fat that's around your 09:06.980 --> 09:14.920 internal organs like your liver pancreas etc and your heart and the half life of these oils in in 09:14.920 --> 09:21.500 the fat is two and a half years so that means that you know it let's say you have 100 grams in 09:21.500 --> 09:26.960 there in two and a half years it's going to be 50 yeah in another two and a half years it'll be 25 09:26.960 --> 09:33.380 right so it's going to be in there 10 to 15 years and it could be that because of the healthy 09:33.380 --> 09:41.000 lifestyle and that the body's trying to heal that and then the stress kind of creates this 09:41.000 --> 09:47.420 healing crisis where all these toxins come out in the blood and then they could be attracted to the 09:47.420 --> 09:53.360 heart if there's increased demand on the heart like with a valsalva maneuver um but if you're able 09:53.360 --> 10:00.900 to expel them like into the toilet successfully then that can potentially resolve the crisis yeah 10:00.900 --> 10:08.260 you know when i hear what you're describing i would also propose an additional way of looking at 10:08.260 --> 10:14.240 it which would not exclude anything you've said but it could highlight the difference between 10:14.940 --> 10:22.660 my green beret client and the guy that you just talked about and that is first of all most people 10:22.660 --> 10:27.420 have a false understanding of how the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems interact with each 10:27.420 --> 10:32.800 other it's it's been mind blowing to me to see how many doctors and physical therapists and 10:32.800 --> 10:36.880 chiropractors have the belief that if the sympathetic system's on the parasympathetic 10:36.880 --> 10:42.780 systems off they think it's like a switch in a circuit board which is part of the problem with this 10:42.780 --> 10:48.580 kind of computer head mentality that's taking the world over the way i teach it to my students is i 10:48.580 --> 10:53.660 say put your left and right hand together we'll call the left hand the parasympathetic the 10:53.660 --> 10:59.600 right hand the sympathetic so if you imagine that your patient that you just described was 10:59.600 --> 11:07.820 having a huge sympathetic charge which led ultimately to the reaction from a val selva maneuver the 11:07.820 --> 11:14.300 bowel movement but he has enough vitality core vitality to trigger an anabolic rebound 11:15.160 --> 11:22.160 then you would have a strong parasympathetic response which would be why he came out the other 11:22.160 --> 11:28.120 side right my green beret guy one of his big problems was as he was using exercise as an 11:28.120 --> 11:35.480 addiction to avoid confronting himself so he was like a burned out athlete with adrenal fatigue who 11:35.480 --> 11:41.640 did not have a lot left in the tank this is you know what i what i call fit sick people and i've 11:41.640 --> 11:47.100 had thousands of them as clients and this is why i say to people as a metaphor don't trade your 11:47.100 --> 11:52.320 liver for a set of pecs or a pair of biceps because it's not a good idea the problem is 11:52.320 --> 11:58.380 people will push themselves hard enough with exercise that their conscious mind overrides the 11:58.380 --> 12:08.660 body's natural capacity for homeostasis and allostasis and so if you push yourself to the 12:08.660 --> 12:14.060 point where you can't rebound something's got to give and the chain's only as strong as the 12:14.060 --> 12:22.480 length and so i think what i'm saying is my guy had such a sympathetic surge he could not 12:22.480 --> 12:27.080 generate a parasympathetic rebound he was too depleted your guy had enough reserves 12:27.740 --> 12:32.200 that the system naturally swung back in a simple way that i teach people to think about is just 12:32.200 --> 12:37.020 swing a pendulum the further it swings to one side the further it's going to swing to the 12:37.020 --> 12:42.980 other side if you don't have the resources because the greater the swing the more effort 12:42.980 --> 12:47.800 it takes for the body to manage it just like if you're driving a car if you wander a little 12:47.800 --> 12:52.660 bit it's not so hard but if you hit the ditch and start going sideways you have to be very focused 12:52.660 --> 12:57.740 and it takes a lot of energy to control the vehicle and get it back on track and i think 12:57.740 --> 13:03.900 a lot of people as athletes and just general people keep hitting the ditch but they're 13:03.900 --> 13:08.320 getting progressive lower in their capacity to rebound and that's when a crisis emerges 13:08.880 --> 13:16.660 all right and i think this is a really useful description and i think it also applies to the 13:16.660 --> 13:22.500 work stress side of things right that because you have to expend a lot of energy to produce 13:22.500 --> 13:29.620 your work product and the more stressed and the more you hate it right then your energy 13:29.620 --> 13:34.540 to be productive is going to be further and further depleted and that also falls in the 13:34.540 --> 13:41.500 sympathetic balance right because when you're stressed out and worried about it then you're 13:41.500 --> 13:48.000 going to have overactive sympathetic nervous system and just for those of you who aren't 13:48.000 --> 13:53.780 familiar with those terms the we're talking about the autonomic nervous system so the part of 13:53.780 --> 13:59.080 of the nervous system that regulates our body functions but it's somewhat unconsciously like 13:59.080 --> 14:05.900 we can influence it with conscious action but it's it's going on you know behind the curtain all the 14:05.900 --> 14:13.620 time and the sympathetic is like the fight flight side of things and the parasympathetic is the 14:13.620 --> 14:19.600 rest and digest side of things and i think you all have a sense of that and these are 14:19.600 --> 14:26.360 always in balance like the push pull analogy that paul brought up yeah one thing that comes 14:26.360 --> 14:32.940 to my mind i feel is important to share and i see this as a chronic problem worldwide not 14:32.940 --> 14:40.540 just with athletes and it has a lot to do with unfortunately has a lot to do with religious 14:40.540 --> 14:48.560 programming and a lot of unresolved childhood traumas and programming and it's what i call 14:49.260 --> 14:55.460 externalization of the self i think for a variety of reasons which would be a long list of them 14:55.460 --> 15:01.500 it would take a long time to go through them all but what happens is in our culture we don't 15:01.500 --> 15:08.500 really have an intimate connection to spirit or to source we have a lot of ideas about it 15:08.500 --> 15:15.860 and a lot of us are programmed with beliefs that make whatever we refer to as god very scary 15:16.760 --> 15:22.700 but the outcome of that is that people instead of having a balance like inward outward 15:22.700 --> 15:28.660 relationship like people in tebet where they have a long culture of meditation and and inner 15:28.660 --> 15:35.680 arts and buddhism where you know osho says western religions are religions for children 15:35.680 --> 15:39.200 because there's always somebody to tell you what to do and a big daddy in the sky but eastern 15:39.200 --> 15:43.140 religions are religions for adults because they tell you that you're responsible for your 15:43.140 --> 15:49.380 own mind and what you create create out of it so when people get in the habit of identifying 15:49.380 --> 15:54.800 themselves by the status they have the power they have the money they have where they live 15:54.800 --> 16:00.940 how much they can lift how many women they can have sex with or men they can have sex with or 16:00.940 --> 16:07.000 dot dot dot that's the externalization of the self or the soul nature and so people 16:07.000 --> 16:13.720 desperately try to build that up outside of themselves and don't realize that ultimately 16:13.720 --> 16:19.820 invites the pain teacher and the function of the pain teacher is to bring you back into contact 16:19.820 --> 16:24.400 with what you're actually creating so you can really get clear on whether or not 16:25.440 --> 16:31.280 you want to keep doing that but if a person doesn't have a skilled doctor therapist coach or 16:31.280 --> 16:39.360 guide to help them recognize that the inner self is really starving for attention and is 16:39.360 --> 16:45.800 the source of your intelligently your guiding wisdom the as the acorn holds the intelligently 16:45.800 --> 16:51.220 of the oak tree the soul holds the intelligently or the guiding influence that ultimately the 16:51.220 --> 16:58.700 soul comes here to express so if a person's lost with their inner heart's compass they can 16:59.200 --> 17:04.760 create impossibility walls all around themselves and build them i'll give you a quick example 17:05.320 --> 17:12.700 i've had patients that are multi multi millionaires but live like they're broke talk like they're 17:12.700 --> 17:21.280 broke and act like they're broke um one of my patients was a a tennis champion and one of her 17:21.280 --> 17:27.980 friends was very very wealthy and she came to me one day and she was telling me the story in 17:27.980 --> 17:33.680 great disgust she said my neighbor who who's a multi multi millionaire offered to take me out 17:33.680 --> 17:41.020 for dinner and guess where they took me i said where carls jr and like she was i don't even want to 17:41.020 --> 17:50.780 eat this fast food yeah and like so here you see how our psychological state can have a radical 17:50.780 --> 17:58.140 influence on how we use our time energy and resources to create in the outer world but 17:58.140 --> 18:05.480 ultimately we will at some point invite the pain teacher to ground us and have a very good reason 18:05.480 --> 18:10.660 to hold still and come within and that and for many of my patients it was their cancer their 18:10.660 --> 18:16.920 illnesses their injuries that actually introduced them to the spiritual life 18:18.920 --> 18:24.860 yeah i i have definitely observed that as well and i love how you talk about you know pain 18:24.860 --> 18:33.720 being a teacher in fact i was just recently on a like discussion webinar and was asked about pain 18:33.720 --> 18:40.580 what you know what is pain why do we experience it and i said it is information basically right 18:40.580 --> 18:47.140 which is and the information is for you to learn from so i like even better calling it a teacher 18:47.800 --> 18:54.360 what when you work with someone or you know when you're teaching your check future check 18:54.360 --> 19:01.740 professionals how to work with people um how do you approach the topic of pain because i know that's 19:01.740 --> 19:08.060 probably like the most frequent kind of thing that you would see related to you know physical 19:08.060 --> 19:13.680 activity right it's going to be a pain complaint especially low back pain yeah so how do you have 19:13.680 --> 19:19.080 this discussion with people to help them see the truth of the matter well the first thing i have i have 19:19.080 --> 19:26.900 to do is is identify what is the belief that's driving the behavior and the choices that led 19:26.900 --> 19:32.420 to the pain in the first place um you know there can be mechanical causes of pain like 19:32.420 --> 19:36.160 workers and athletes who just don't know how to use their body correctly to lift 19:36.160 --> 19:41.820 but there's often an emotional relationship for example athletes like we talked about 19:41.820 --> 19:47.640 that are pushing themselves too hard there can be a mental relationship to pain because people 19:47.640 --> 19:53.560 are living out ideas that are just not true like i've had countless athletes drinking massive amounts 19:53.560 --> 19:58.900 of coffee and and you know i always have them bring all supplements that they're using and they bring 19:58.900 --> 20:03.980 in gym bags you know some of these people are spending 1500 bucks a month on supplements and so 20:03.980 --> 20:08.140 what i when i investigate i say why are you taking all these supplements and they start 20:08.140 --> 20:12.900 giving me all these ideas which is like stuff they've read off the internet and so there you 20:12.900 --> 20:19.260 can see a mental source of imbalance because they're believing in things without actually 20:20.040 --> 20:26.080 testing them or talking to people that might know whether or not it's true and so 20:27.960 --> 20:33.800 really what i do is is i have a one two three four approach the first thing i do with anybody 20:33.800 --> 20:40.520 that comes to me in any kind of pain as i asked them you know i quote psychologist jerry wish if 20:40.520 --> 20:45.180 you have a big enough dream you don't need a crisis so now that you're in pain and you're 20:45.180 --> 20:50.000 not able to do the things that you want to do what is your dream goal or objective because 20:50.000 --> 20:55.660 if i can't identify a dream goal or objective that produces more levity than the gravity of 20:55.660 --> 21:00.540 the situation they're in i found you can write people the best programs in the world and 21:00.540 --> 21:07.320 they simply don't do them and so then i look at the body well what are some uh what are some examples 21:07.320 --> 21:13.320 of uh of their dream goals that you've heard in this situation that maybe give you confidence or 21:13.320 --> 21:19.220 maybe create doubt in your mind well i i have a process called qualifying the dream that i teach 21:19.220 --> 21:24.500 all check professionals and in the way you qualify a dream 10 would be kamikaze pilot 21:24.500 --> 21:30.860 committed zero would be apathetic i say if you don't have at least a seven out of ten buy in from 21:30.860 --> 21:35.820 the heart i don't really care about the head if the heart doesn't buy in at least a seven out of 21:35.820 --> 21:42.060 ten then i have to keep working with them to identify a worthy dream goal or objective 21:42.620 --> 21:49.660 and there are many cases in which people simply cannot find something that they buy into so 21:49.660 --> 21:56.100 then i ref my default is then let's find out what your nightmare is because that's where most of your 21:56.100 --> 22:01.600 life force is being sucked up it's like a short circuit in the system turns out the most common 22:01.600 --> 22:06.880 nightmare i run into is financial crisis people just overspending themselves into debt and and 22:06.880 --> 22:13.120 that has a tremendous knock on effect because it sets the body up typically you know i'm being 22:13.120 --> 22:17.120 very efficient in what i say but what what i see the most common outcome is people get 22:17.120 --> 22:24.100 acidic from the chronic background tension sympathetic overload constant inner wine but 22:25.180 --> 22:31.120 sorry you asked me what do i tell them about the pain or how do i well no no so let me uh 22:31.120 --> 22:36.560 let me summarize and rephrase because i think i think you actually don't answer the question 22:37.280 --> 22:42.140 so i was asking about you know what i was thinking it was like more the specific 22:42.140 --> 22:47.400 nature of the dream but you pointed out that it's really their commitment to that dream goal 22:48.060 --> 22:55.100 and if they are not having the right level of commitment then something is interfering with 22:55.100 --> 23:00.160 that so you assess like the what's your nightmare kind of the opposite of the dream goal is what 23:00.160 --> 23:05.960 are you the worst thing you're afraid of and i bet on a one to ten scale probably they rate 23:05.960 --> 23:14.560 very high yes and uh and so so those are that's the thing interfering right with them from reaching 23:14.560 --> 23:20.300 their actual goals yeah i never now you're asking what some of the the dreams were so 23:21.400 --> 23:27.780 one of the things that's most important there is that 23:29.620 --> 23:38.180 i help them realize that the time they're spending in rehabilitation therapy counseling etc 23:39.060 --> 23:47.500 is actually not to fix a problem i have a statement that i make with all check professionals we 23:47.500 --> 23:54.400 do not treat diseases that have people we coach people that have acquired a disease 23:54.920 --> 23:58.940 and i think one of the problems we have in the western culture 23:59.420 --> 24:05.160 is that we don't realize how powerful our language is and so the analogy i give my students 24:05.160 --> 24:10.680 to say if i say i'm treating you to dinner tonight who do you automatically assume is paying 24:10.680 --> 24:16.240 well they always assume that i'm gonna pay okay then if you go to a doctor or a therapist for 24:16.240 --> 24:19.880 treatment then the assumption is you're just gonna lay there and someone's gonna fix you 24:19.880 --> 24:23.140 your pain's gonna away your problem's gonna go away and go you can go back and keep doing 24:23.140 --> 24:29.240 the same shit that got you in trouble in the first place so i use a coaching model and i tell 24:29.240 --> 24:33.640 them no matter how good a coach is they can't get out on the basketball court and shoot the ball 24:33.640 --> 24:39.240 for you or play hockey for you they can only direct you to enhance your abilities so i operate 24:39.240 --> 24:44.700 not on a fixing model but on a coaching model and my rule is i don't do anything for 24:45.290 --> 24:49.320 my patients or clients that they can't do for themselves if they can't mobilize their 24:49.320 --> 24:54.580 first rib i'll do that you know if they need their temperament doubler joint mobilized or 24:54.580 --> 24:59.640 their atlas corrected i can do that but if there's anything that i can teach them how to do 25:00.360 --> 25:06.600 then they need to learn that and my rule is we don't pass go if i give you stretches of 25:06.600 --> 25:10.040 mobilizations exercise diet and lifestyle corrections and you come back and you're not 25:10.040 --> 25:14.800 doing them we're simply going to review those for the session i'm not going to keep going 25:14.800 --> 25:19.420 because i've found over and over again that people will spend tons of money then just come 25:19.420 --> 25:24.340 back and complain they're not getting better because in their mind they came to get treated 25:24.940 --> 25:30.580 and yes so i think that's a disease in our western cultures mind which we spread all over 25:30.580 --> 25:36.840 the world unfortunately um but common goals like many many people say they just want to 25:36.840 --> 25:40.440 play with their grandkids paul if i may interrupt for a second because i just want to 25:40.440 --> 25:46.500 back that up yeah because you know one it fits in with what you were talking about about like 25:46.500 --> 25:52.820 paternalism you know that it's like father medicine is going to care for you and fix your problems 25:52.820 --> 25:58.220 rather than you fixing them yourself and when i work with clients you know as a teacher 25:58.760 --> 26:04.280 as a consultant i it's the same thing right first i'm not providing medical treatment or 26:04.280 --> 26:10.360 medical care i'm i'm teaching information and perhaps providing a little bit of coaching 26:11.180 --> 26:17.160 but it's up to you yeah right and many times also i give people like i i teach them about 26:17.160 --> 26:22.480 alternative choices i'm like well this you know would likely help you if you did this and so 26:22.480 --> 26:28.480 with this and you know you choose between them you know here's how this one works and 26:28.860 --> 26:37.640 works um and you know it's when they don't follow through or they uh self-sabotage right 26:37.640 --> 26:45.420 that's that's when they don't achieve their their dream goals yeah um 26:46.740 --> 26:51.580 so i'm sorry i'll please go ahead and continue where you left off well i 26:51.580 --> 26:56.340 i what i was saying is you asked me what some of the dreams were a lot of people that have 26:56.340 --> 27:00.900 grandchildren say all i want to do is be able to play with my grandkids athletes if they're 27:00.900 --> 27:07.160 competitive say well i want to win you know whatever the competition is interestingly having you know 27:07.160 --> 27:11.540 i owned a physical therapy clinic for three years and i worked in the biggest one in san 27:11.540 --> 27:16.420 diego for four years i worked with a chiropractor specializing in sports injuries for two years 27:16.420 --> 27:21.280 and prior to that i was trained by an osteopathic physician as the trainer of the army boxing 27:21.280 --> 27:28.100 team so by the time i started the check institute i had 11 years of clinical experience so i got to 27:28.100 --> 27:38.000 see how a lot of these things play out but um when people are for example coming to see me 27:38.000 --> 27:43.220 when i owned my physical therapy clinic through workman's compensation and i would ask them 27:43.220 --> 27:48.080 what their dream is i rarely ever heard that it was to go back to work in fact 27:48.080 --> 27:54.340 i found that i had to i actually had to study how to analyze illness behavior and and i 27:55.010 --> 27:59.280 found in research there's there's questionnaires and tests you can do to determine if someone's 27:59.280 --> 28:06.640 got illness behavior and so i found that i actually had to work with people and counsel them 28:06.640 --> 28:12.640 that they didn't need to go back to being a ups driver if they could really find out what it 28:12.640 --> 28:18.140 is that they loved enough to to grow and to change for and and it might be seeing a career 28:18.140 --> 28:23.760 counselor it often takes some exploration to help people find these things but a lot of them just 28:23.760 --> 28:28.860 have the belief they're just stuck there and and and so so my point is is that they would 28:28.860 --> 28:34.120 not actually want me to rehabilitate them because if i did they had to go back and if 28:34.120 --> 28:38.620 they could get by on what workman's compensation was paying them and watch tv all day and 28:38.620 --> 28:42.040 throw frisbees to their dog they thought they had the world by the tail 28:42.780 --> 28:47.420 but as a therapist being monitored by insurance companies if i don't get results i'll be my own 28:47.420 --> 28:52.580 death sentence by playing that game with patients so i quickly found i had to really 28:52.580 --> 28:59.940 do a deep study of psychology and behavior change to get to be effective as a therapist 28:59.940 --> 29:04.460 working on orthopedic rehabilitation and athletic injuries and also high performance 29:04.460 --> 29:12.280 conditioning and so i spent you know 30 years now going very deep into depth psychology and 29:12.280 --> 29:17.720 everything related to it and reading books on behavior change and and and working on it in 29:17.720 --> 29:24.000 myself too to find my own patterns but i think that's one of the key things and i just wanted 29:24.000 --> 29:29.080 to show you a system i developed it took me about 15 years of research this is called 29:29.080 --> 29:34.500 the Czech totem pole have you ever seen me talk about that before i have so you'll notice at the 29:34.500 --> 29:40.620 top there's a bird there that's the symbol of the soul and the psyche so what this is is called the 29:40.620 --> 29:46.740 survival reflex totem pole and it demonstrates based on my research and clinical experience 29:46.740 --> 29:53.980 what systems have hierarchical control over what other systems you'll notice at the bottom 29:53.980 --> 29:58.400 you see a little man that looks like a slave there these are called slave joints so that's 29:58.400 --> 30:10.220 every joint from c3 to l45 the hips shoulders elbows wrist hands knees ankles and feet the rest of them 30:10.220 --> 30:16.340 are in the hierarchical system so at the top you have breathing then mastication then vision then 30:16.340 --> 30:23.200 auditory vestibular then upper cervical then visceral then limbic emotional which is a floating 30:23.200 --> 30:27.900 symbol it can go up and down because people can commit suicide and that's based on psychosocial 30:27.900 --> 30:35.520 medicine then you have the sacrum and the coccyx because the phylum terminally attaches to the 30:35.520 --> 30:40.020 coccyx so any distortion the central nervous system will automatically create distortions in the 30:40.020 --> 30:47.480 lumbo pelvic girdle and then below you have the slave joints you know 90 95 to 98 percent of 30:47.480 --> 30:51.980 people coming for orthopedic problems of any kind or athletic injuries or have pain down here 30:52.560 --> 30:59.560 but I constantly find problems all through the system that nobody looks at and I can tell you 30:59.560 --> 31:05.100 exactly how that plays out real quick there is an athlete by the name of Kobe Bryant that once came 31:05.100 --> 31:11.020 to me in trouble fortunately his private strength coach had done a lot of training with me and he 31:11.020 --> 31:16.960 called me up and said look Paul Kobe's had really bad left knee pain for two years now 31:16.960 --> 31:20.940 we've tried every single doctor and therapist and nobody knows what the hell to do with them 31:20.940 --> 31:25.700 and he's really getting frustrated because he's in so much pain and is getting worse 31:26.260 --> 31:33.060 and so he finally is willing to come see you so Kobe came down to see me and as soon as he walked 31:33.060 --> 31:37.320 in the door I took one look at him and go this guy's got a really bad atlas subluxation because 31:37.320 --> 31:42.560 his head's sitting crooked on top of his neck which is a classic indicator I put him on my 31:43.140 --> 31:49.720 very expensive bilateral scales he was I think 17 or 18 pounds heavy on the left leg which I 31:49.720 --> 31:55.960 think was his painful knee side now when you consider that your every stride you take when 31:55.960 --> 32:01.060 you run you get four to seven times kinetic body weight in shock through the kinetic chain 32:01.720 --> 32:08.240 and he's running about you know some some say six to ten k a game so that's a tremendous 32:08.240 --> 32:16.020 amount of load if you take 17 pounds and multiply it by 1,509 strides a mile for 32:16.020 --> 32:20.340 the average person it turns out to be thousands and thousands of extra pounds a game 32:20.900 --> 32:27.940 because of that imbalance so I said to Kobe at the time I said look I can do a very comprehensive 32:27.940 --> 32:32.880 evaluation on you it's going to take me about five hours to do it and you're going to have to 32:32.880 --> 32:36.600 fill out paperwork it'll take you about four hours to fill it out I'm going to look into 32:36.600 --> 32:42.160 your family history I'm going to know more about you than your mother does or you can let me 32:42.160 --> 32:48.280 correct what I see going on right now and we'll just see what happens so he said let's just see 32:48.280 --> 32:55.840 what happens so I did a manual therapy correction on his atlas put him on the scales zeroed him out 32:55.840 --> 33:05.780 to equal weight on both sides took me about oh 25 minutes and I said now let's go out into my gym 33:06.600 --> 33:10.140 and I said I want you to do anything that used to hurt to you and see if you can 33:10.140 --> 33:16.240 tell me if it's any better so he started running and jumping and hopping on and off of his left leg 33:16.240 --> 33:23.780 and all of a sudden he just screamed he goes oh my god I don't have any pain how the hell did you do that 33:24.240 --> 33:28.000 then he turns to his strength coach and says why have I been going to all these 33:28.000 --> 33:31.320 doctors and therapists for two years have made me worse and this guy that doesn't even 33:31.320 --> 33:34.980 have a college degree figured me out in six minutes and his strength coach said 33:35.460 --> 33:38.700 I told you he knows what he's doing I've been trying to get you here for two years 33:38.700 --> 33:47.120 what's the point the totem pole you know when your atlas or axis is out of place new cause research 33:47.120 --> 33:51.260 shows even three quarters of one degree will cause significant tension in the central nervous system 33:51.960 --> 33:57.080 and I could give you a long elaborate explanation but it'll create distortion through the body 33:57.080 --> 34:01.900 because if the atlas is out of place the head does not sit level the vestibular systems off 34:01.900 --> 34:07.480 the eyes are off and that's what we need to see what's trying to eat us and what we want to 34:07.480 --> 34:14.540 eat so that is like the gyroscope and the pilots dashboard and if it's off every system in the body 34:14.540 --> 34:20.220 will try to compensate so if the head's caught from a contact injury for example and you're 34:20.220 --> 34:25.020 leaning to the right then the torso will shift to the left and the weight shift will go to the 34:25.020 --> 34:28.480 left because it's trying to get the eyes level with the rise in the teeth level with the rise 34:28.480 --> 34:33.640 in the vestibular system be in a neutral position and so people kept trading the knee 34:33.640 --> 34:38.240 in the in the back and they were just you know symptomatically approaching it right but you know 34:38.240 --> 34:47.320 really what I'm trying to point out here is that this is you know almost four billion years of 34:47.320 --> 34:53.340 evolution and every one of these systems is has a hierarchy of control because it's based on 34:53.340 --> 34:59.880 what the body needs to do to keep itself alive and the psyche is riding at the top 34:59.880 --> 35:08.920 and one's perception of pain or one's perception of stress is as real as actual pain or physical 35:08.920 --> 35:14.320 stress the brain and the the psyche cannot differentiate perceived from actual stress 35:14.320 --> 35:20.580 people create more pain with their minds than they do with their environment usually so I I have 35:20.580 --> 35:26.000 it takes me four to five years depending on the student to train them in the 35:26.000 --> 35:32.340 comprehensive analysis of these systems the point being is I need to know which system is 35:33.040 --> 35:38.800 causing the compensations or I'm just treating symptoms and I got to know why what is the beliefs 35:38.800 --> 35:43.840 and the behaviors that led to the choices such as diet and lifestyle practices exercise 35:43.840 --> 35:50.160 practice sexual practices recreation or whatever it is that I am actually dealing with the 35:50.160 --> 35:55.440 symptoms of or all I can do is allopathic medicine and it just doesn't work very well 35:56.200 --> 36:03.080 right and this is exactly the approach that I take with people it's you know a discussion to 36:03.080 --> 36:11.040 find out all those things I'm not as systematic as you because I basically my training as a 36:11.040 --> 36:18.240 psychiatrist was largely about interviewing so I can use the problems are at the top 36:19.460 --> 36:24.840 yes but all these things you know you I can I ask about all those aspects that you mentioned 36:24.840 --> 36:31.660 as well and you know it's it is really surprising that they didn't have Coby see a chiropractor 36:31.660 --> 36:36.340 because I would think of you know any decent chiropractor would have been able to recognize 36:36.340 --> 36:47.860 that but but you know I'll just interject no really I have been a keynote speaker at the 36:47.860 --> 36:52.200 year specialized training in order to adjust the atlas axis complex accurately 36:53.780 --> 37:01.100 nuke nuke has identified over 10 000 patterns of subluxation and it has to be put back in place 37:01.100 --> 37:06.420 on a specialized table that takes gravitational load off the neck and it has to be done exactly 37:06.420 --> 37:11.700 precisely I've tested them all over the world and there's only a handful of good ones so the 37:11.700 --> 37:16.720 first thing I did was send Coby Bryant to my buddy Kenny shepherd who I've been working with 37:16.720 --> 37:22.720 since 1988 got him straightened out and Kenny and his wife and Marie shepherd are some of the few 37:22.720 --> 37:27.960 that are very accurate but my student you know I've got almost I think I've got 64 000 check 37:27.960 --> 37:32.540 professionals around the world now it's very very hard to find someone that can do the 37:32.540 --> 37:38.780 upper cervical correction accurately I teach basically what would be muscle energy techniques 37:38.780 --> 37:44.280 to do it but there's cases where the joint mechanics are completely screwed up often because 37:44.280 --> 37:49.720 of impact injuries and so then you have to have a nuke a chiropractor to do the job properly 37:49.720 --> 37:54.920 but my only point is it's not at all as simple as just a chiropractic correction in fact a lot of 37:55.800 --> 38:00.560 don't get throw bullets at me chiropractor but a lot of chiropractic adjustments actually 38:00.560 --> 38:07.600 cause these problems because the skill level you know most chiropractic adjustments for an 38:07.600 --> 38:12.120 atlas are like hitting a swiss watch with a sledge hammer this thing is wickedly sensitive 38:12.840 --> 38:21.260 um and I've the list of people that I have helped with serious problems often after multiple surgeries 38:22.360 --> 38:28.560 by correcting that atlas with manual therapy is unbelievable and people often just break down 38:28.560 --> 38:33.880 in tears because they didn't realize how simple of a correction it was if someone actually knows 38:33.880 --> 38:38.820 what they're doing but the other thing that's very very important is we have huge problems 38:38.820 --> 38:46.200 due to our diet influences on our occlusal system on the jaw and any malocclusion whatsoever 38:46.200 --> 38:52.000 so ever creates torsion in the atlas axis complex as a compensatory mechanism I found 38:52.000 --> 38:59.920 countless people with ocular disorders such as an esophore at one eye pointing outward too much 39:00.660 --> 39:06.340 exophore or esophore inward pointing esotropia right and there's a like there's a long 39:06.340 --> 39:12.820 list of ocular disorders and I've had people with severe scoliosis that nobody could help and I identified 39:13.380 --> 39:18.460 serious problems in their eyes and have had mind blowing results by sending them to behavioral 39:18.460 --> 39:24.060 optometrists who work on the mental emotional aspects of vision and I've seen scoliosis 39:24.680 --> 39:31.940 I mean like 50 degree curves 55 degree curves come down to almost normal within about six months 39:31.940 --> 39:35.960 of seeing nothing but a behavioral optometrist and I measure these things 39:35.960 --> 39:42.560 goniometrically accurately use x-rays so when you start seeing the power of these control systems 39:42.560 --> 39:48.840 to influence everything below your vestibular systems directly linked to the atlas the eyes 39:48.840 --> 39:52.720 to direct the motor system so if the eyes are out of balance and the whole motor systems 39:52.720 --> 39:58.380 out of balance and thousands of what look like athletic injuries are actually ocular dysfunction 39:58.380 --> 40:05.260 causing faulty movement patterns in the body so this whole head system is actually 40:06.020 --> 40:12.780 very very intimately in contact with the whole digestive visceral motor system 40:13.320 --> 40:19.700 and so I learned many many years ago as a young therapist that I had to assess the cranial nerve 40:19.700 --> 40:26.520 function on everybody or I would not know if I was treating a symptom and then you know some 40:26.520 --> 40:31.500 of these times I have to find people like you I have to find neurologists I have to you know have 40:31.500 --> 40:38.940 very elaborate scans done I found people with brain tumors you know a long laundry list of 40:38.940 --> 40:43.900 things that people never would have thought were involved I've had to use orthodontists I've had to 40:43.900 --> 40:51.300 use biological dentists I've had to send people to ear nose and throat specialists a quick example 40:51.300 --> 40:56.180 as I had a guy with what was diagnosed as restless leg syndrome who was an elite level triathlete 40:56.840 --> 41:02.680 chronic pain in his left leg after oh you know maybe about 30 minutes of running he would get 41:02.680 --> 41:08.000 severe pain in his left leg and and he couldn't run or bike and nobody could find anything wrong 41:08.000 --> 41:14.020 with him well I found out that he had had his nose broken several years previous and had a very 41:14.020 --> 41:18.900 badly deviated septum so when I used a spirometer test on him if there's more 41:18.900 --> 41:23.860 than a 10% difference in airflow through the left or the right nostril it means there will be a 41:23.860 --> 41:28.780 disruption in the balance of the cranium and it'll cause a knock-on effect on the autonomic nervous 41:28.780 --> 41:34.980 system and the posture and and the dynamic posture once I send him to an ear nose and throat 41:34.980 --> 41:40.080 specialist he got his septum straightened out his whole body normalized and he went back to 41:40.080 --> 41:45.180 being an elite professional triathlete with no trouble but it would have probably taken him 41:45.180 --> 41:50.840 2000 years of seeing typical doctors and therapists for anyone to identify what was really going on 41:50.840 --> 41:56.000 right because they're not there you know I mean one of the things that you have 41:56.000 --> 42:02.840 been critical of with respect to the allopathic medical system right is the compartmentalization 42:02.840 --> 42:10.060 where you know they only focus on a very narrow area of the body functioning right and they 42:10.400 --> 42:16.260 they don't see the interconnectedness that you have brought up in your totem pole 42:16.860 --> 42:23.540 diagram I wonder when I saw the totem pole right away it made me think of the chakra system 42:23.540 --> 42:28.800 yes so the chakra system tells you the psychophysical correlation to these 42:28.800 --> 42:37.340 neurologically reflex driven pathways which were built by the progressive development of cells 42:37.340 --> 42:43.960 and systems over billions of years specifically for survival so again this is a survival reflex 42:43.960 --> 42:50.520 system this is what the body does automatically at way below conscious level even right to the 42:50.520 --> 43:00.360 spinal cord level to try to ensure survivability in nature right and so there's these compensatory 43:00.360 --> 43:06.980 mechanisms essentially to ensure survival but they don't function optimally and that's why 43:07.340 --> 43:14.560 we have to look at this hierarchy to say okay for this problem here is the level of the cause 43:14.920 --> 43:22.740 the same or is it come from a hierarchical level right that's been overlooked and that sounds like 43:22.740 --> 43:28.020 that's what mostly your observations are encountering and I don't know if those are patients who 43:28.020 --> 43:34.780 already failed other treatments you know or right and so 43:36.020 --> 43:41.000 they're not going to get you know it's the same thing many people who come to me also have failed 43:41.000 --> 43:50.220 multiple other approaches and similarly I often experience when I say oh well have you thought 43:50.220 --> 43:55.540 that this might be a factor and you know did any of the other people ever mentioned that and 43:55.540 --> 44:00.900 no no one no one thought of it no one asked about it just before I forget for the for the people 44:00.900 --> 44:08.060 that are engaging us right now if you go to my youtube channel which is youtube.com forward 44:08.060 --> 44:16.160 slash paul chek live youtube.com forward slash paul check live if you search check totem pole 44:16.900 --> 44:21.740 I've got two videos on there where I walk you through each level of the totem pole 44:21.740 --> 44:29.220 and many many people out in in the world who have watched those videos have reported back to me 44:29.740 --> 44:34.360 that based on the symptoms they had and what I shared in the videos they went and saw the 44:34.360 --> 44:39.220 practitioner that would be the right one for the level of totem pole and were able to completely 44:39.220 --> 44:46.180 resolve chronic painful issues and and so I think because we don't have time to go in detail 44:46.180 --> 44:51.000 people that want to know more about it I presented in layman terms but I think it'll 44:51.000 --> 44:58.600 help people to understand and for doctors and therapists it's also very very important knowledge 44:58.600 --> 45:05.720 to have paul do you do you work directly with clients these days or do you have a referral 45:05.720 --> 45:12.580 network of your you know alumni who are working directly with folks I do work with clients 45:12.580 --> 45:18.700 but to be brutally honest with you look I've been a therapist for 42 years now 45:18.700 --> 45:28.320 um I I just got so burnt out on dealing with bodies and weightlifting like it just didn't 45:28.320 --> 45:36.880 fill my heart so um the natural byproduct of my own inner evolution and my evolution as a 45:36.880 --> 45:43.640 therapist is that I was deeply drawn to Carl Jung's work and Rudolph Steiner's work and 45:43.640 --> 45:50.940 many others and and really my love is to get to the actual cause of people's problems which is 45:50.940 --> 46:00.480 almost always mental emotional and belief systems and family crisis and family trauma coming through 46:00.480 --> 46:08.800 the gene line so I won't take on private clients unless their case is interesting to me and it 46:09.400 --> 46:13.140 and then when I evaluate them and figure out what's going on I refer them out I usually 46:13.140 --> 46:16.480 start with the check instructors because they're most highly qualified and if people 46:16.480 --> 46:19.580 going to forward them I say you know go to someone that really knows what they're doing 46:19.580 --> 46:25.840 because that's going to be a home run for you um in 2006 I did a year of training with a doctor 46:25.840 --> 46:32.260 that was helping people heal with psychedelics which I had massive breakthroughs in my own 46:32.260 --> 46:38.160 healing through the use of plant medicines um then I joined the Native American Council so 46:38.160 --> 46:42.380 that I could do Native American healing ceremonies with psychedelics and I've now 46:42.380 --> 46:47.980 conducted over a thousand healing ceremonies and and I've been able to fast track healing for people 46:48.480 --> 46:55.320 so my work is that using a mescaline or a psilocybin it can be mescaline it can be psilocybin 46:55.320 --> 47:04.560 it can be uh ayahuasca it could be uh um DMT it could be uh you know a lot of different 47:04.560 --> 47:10.120 things depending on what I think is the right medicine for the person's unique profile 47:11.690 --> 47:20.780 and so I really would say that I've transitioned more into handling my patients from a spiritual 47:20.780 --> 47:29.760 perspective because ultimately what I find at the base of almost everybody's problems is 47:31.900 --> 47:39.180 a need to feel loved, a need to feel safe, a need to feel wanted and a need to feel valued 47:39.180 --> 47:48.800 and if their life circumstances have not brought them into a state of loving uh connection to 47:48.800 --> 47:54.740 an appreciation for and a willingness to see themselves as a work of art and an expression 47:55.580 --> 48:02.820 of all that is whatever model you want to use god or universe or cosmos then they're almost always 48:02.820 --> 48:10.800 constantly chasing after a way to get validation approval and and feel loved and I think the 48:10.800 --> 48:17.800 pain teacher brings people to people like me and you to really get um a chance to really 48:18.560 --> 48:23.960 heal what's stopping them from being whole because the number of patients I've had to work 48:23.960 --> 48:30.040 with it had addictions is is through the roof I would say eight eight out of ten of them are actually 48:30.040 --> 48:36.600 dealing with addiction so I studied addiction very heavily my brother was a drug addict by age seven 48:36.600 --> 48:45.000 he committed suicide uh when I was 34 um and basically I define an addiction uh because 48:45.000 --> 48:49.940 all the dictionary definitions are very complex they don't really get to the root of it so I 48:49.940 --> 48:55.620 put my own definition to an addiction an addiction is any repeated behavior that does 48:55.620 --> 49:03.300 not produce the results you want and when you look at the repeated behaviors in people's lives 49:03.300 --> 49:09.320 from drinking excessive coffee to eating too much food to staying up too late at night to 49:09.320 --> 49:15.380 playing video games and not meeting responsibilities it it's a repeated behavior that's not producing 49:15.380 --> 49:21.720 the results people want and you can't really address issues of addiction until you get to 49:21.720 --> 49:27.860 the kind of issues that we've just been talking about because almost always it's a it's a say I 49:27.860 --> 49:33.240 all I believe all addictions are safe attempts to to get love and the beautiful thing about 49:33.240 --> 49:37.820 is a beer bottle is it doesn't complain about how you kiss it and neither does a cigarette 49:38.600 --> 49:47.980 and so for a lot of people this is a desperate attempt to to be able to find a way out of flatland 49:48.640 --> 49:56.560 to have and a chance to be in an alternate reality to have something that gives them joy 49:57.160 --> 50:01.440 that gives them the ability to not have to think about or feel their pain 50:01.440 --> 50:05.860 but it's often the only thing in the lives that they perceive is just for them 50:06.440 --> 50:13.320 and that's why it's very very hard to transition addicts into a more holistic healthy lifestyle 50:13.320 --> 50:18.940 and to learn to manage these things it's just like telephone just like phones and 50:21.240 --> 50:28.720 AI a phone and AI in a mind all have one thing in common they make far better tools than masters 50:29.480 --> 50:39.600 and so I find when a person's mind is structured such that it's antagonistic to their own well-being 50:39.600 --> 50:45.700 they become the tool of the mind just like they become tools to their phone and get addicted to 50:45.700 --> 50:53.820 getting likes or via trying to get videos to go via whatever it is and so my love 50:54.710 --> 51:02.140 where I feel I do the world the most benefit is to take people deeply into themselves 51:03.880 --> 51:09.580 realize the majesty and the mystery and the awe of what it took to create any one of us 51:10.190 --> 51:16.780 and to sustain each of us and then I find that once they pass through that 51:17.390 --> 51:23.420 that they become walking living examples that others can follow and they almost always 51:23.820 --> 51:28.280 their heart almost always leads them into the caregiver archetype in some way 51:28.860 --> 51:33.280 because they become leaders of men's groups they become leaders of women's groups they 51:33.280 --> 51:42.420 start clinics they fund projects you know and so for me that's when I feel at this stage in 51:42.420 --> 51:48.060 my career I'm actually doing the work that is most appropriate for me if I'm working on bulging 51:48.060 --> 51:54.460 discs and hamstring strains that then I feel like I'm dying inside because I'm not listening to my 51:54.460 --> 52:00.940 soul and I'm not doing what I should be doing as an elder in our culture now I'm getting older 52:00.940 --> 52:08.780 you know I'm I'll be 65 next year which is hard for me to believe well it definitely doesn't 52:08.780 --> 52:16.660 show Paul you know that is such a beautiful message I think it's a great way to close out this 52:16.660 --> 52:23.620 interview because there are so many take home points and it certainly gives you a great feelings of 52:24.220 --> 52:32.720 peace to listen to that message so if people want to learn more from you you have some courses you 52:33.660 --> 52:39.900 train people to become Czech professionals how will people find out more about that how can they 52:39.900 --> 52:45.880 I mean you certainly don't just take anyone into your training program so is there a rigorous 52:45.880 --> 52:51.120 process or how does that all work we have an application process to become a Czech professional 52:51.120 --> 52:59.280 that's the Czech academy the central hub of of all my work is paulchek.com there you can find my 52:59.280 --> 53:04.420 podcast you can find my spirit gym program which is deep spiritual development healing all the 53:04.420 --> 53:08.880 kinds of stuff we just talked about I felt it was so important I had to do a public access 53:08.880 --> 53:14.760 training program and that is basically the synthesis of my new 15 volume book series called 53:14.760 --> 53:23.320 welcome to spirit gem so that's my spirit gem.com I mentioned my youtube channel but paulcheck.com 53:23.320 --> 53:28.600 kind of is the access point where you can find everything in the Czech institute is chek.com 53:28.600 --> 53:34.660 but paulcheck.com you can find it all in one spot and then just say oh I'm interested in this 53:34.660 --> 53:39.520 or I'm interested in that I've published I think 12 books now my most popular one I've 53:39.520 --> 53:43.880 shared with you how to eat move and be healthy that's available on amazon and really what I did 53:43.880 --> 53:52.400 just as a quick side note after you know about 12 or 13 years in a clinic I just dawned on me one day 53:52.400 --> 53:57.280 that I have to keep saying the same things over and over and over again to everybody I mean nobody 53:57.280 --> 54:01.580 understands how to read their poop they don't know what you know what how to read their urine 54:01.580 --> 54:06.400 they don't know how to you know eat right they don't know how to so I'm like why am I 54:06.400 --> 54:11.240 saying this like a broken record and so I'd spent years working with a professional 54:11.240 --> 54:16.660 artist making handouts so my my therapy room was like a classroom and I would say here let's look 54:16.660 --> 54:21.000 at your popes here's the different popes you know let's look at your diet let's look at your 54:21.000 --> 54:25.840 sleep rhythms so I finally said you know what I'm going to take all these handouts which was 54:25.840 --> 54:30.760 two file drawers full I'm going to string them together with some education and some story 54:30.760 --> 54:36.640 and that became how to eat move and be healthy and so for you know for 25 bucks and interestingly 54:36.640 --> 54:42.220 I teach my check professionals I see look after 42 years I have found something quite interesting 54:42.220 --> 54:50.460 90% of the people that I help heal and get back on the road again don't need to be taught anything 54:50.460 --> 54:54.220 beyond what's in my book how to eat move and be healthy because the body will automatically 54:54.220 --> 55:00.200 clean itself and heal itself if you just give it to resources so you know for a really small 55:00.200 --> 55:05.220 fee uh you can buy how to eat move and be healthy there's a series of questionnaires 55:05.220 --> 55:10.500 there's a score graph it tells you exactly which chapters to read to lower the stress in the system 55:10.500 --> 55:17.540 what joint mobilizations what exercises what stretches what diet changes and lifestyle changes to 55:17.540 --> 55:21.720 make based on your scores and if a thousand people use the book they'll get a thousand different 55:21.720 --> 55:27.120 approaches and I think it's the only book I know of in the world that fully customizes what you 55:27.120 --> 55:33.440 do based on your individual needs well you know thank you so much for creating all these 55:33.440 --> 55:40.020 resources I definitely recommend your book and I will add though that I know exactly what you're 55:40.020 --> 55:44.900 talking about with people asking the same questions that you've already explained countless times and 55:44.900 --> 55:51.020 I guarantee that they'll still do that even after they read your book and we'll probably see 55:51.020 --> 55:58.600 some comments below asking those same things but it's a burden that we bear but we we realize 55:58.600 --> 56:05.040 it's it's for the better good patience is a virtue that's right thank you so much for 56:05.040 --> 56:11.500 spending this time with us paul and for everything that you do hey my pleasure thank you birds of 56:11.500 --> 56:16.040 a feather flock together baby we got a lot of work to do out there and I tell my check 56:16.040 --> 56:19.700 professionals today is the day to be a check professional because there's about seven 56:19.700 --> 56:24.160 billion people that need your help and if you can't make a good living doing this just go 56:24.160 --> 56:30.840 stand in the mirror and meet the problem absolutely all right everyone we'll see you next time thank you 56:32.800 --> 56:39.140 even if you're doing your best to live clean you're still being exposed from off-gassing 56:39.140 --> 56:46.220 furniture and plastics in your food to synthetic fibers personal care products and even medical 56:46.220 --> 56:53.060 imaging procedures especially fat soluble chemicals these toxins don't respond to your 56:53.060 --> 56:58.980 average detox they settle deep in your tissues and you need the right tools to clear them out 56:58.980 --> 57:07.000 that's why i created the ultimate detox protocol a free 30-day roadmap that teaches you a serious 57:07.000 --> 57:14.920 nature-based detox using pine targeted nutrition and a focused daily plan you'll choose the 57:14.920 --> 57:21.420 cleansing diet that fits your needs support your elimination pathways and take action against 57:21.420 --> 57:27.520 the toxin load that's been holding you back many people who've done this protocol have reported 57:27.520 --> 57:34.580 major improvements in energy focus digestion and even long-standing symptoms they thought they'd 57:34.580 --> 57:40.260 have to live with forever unfortunately i can't share the full scope of results people have 57:40.260 --> 57:47.180 experienced using this protocol not on this platform if i did the video would surely be 57:47.180 --> 57:55.100 taken down but trust me it is incredibly powerful downloaded for free at the link in the show notes 57:55.100 --> 58:02.300 your health is your responsibility and this is the best place to start thanks for listening 58:02.300 --> 58:05.620 and i'll see you in the next true health report