really my love is to get to the actual cause of people's problems which is almost always
mental emotional and belief systems and family crisis and family trauma coming through the gene line
this is the true health report where critical appraisal fuels true freedom
hello and welcome to the true health report i'm your host Dr. Andrew Kaufman
now today i have more than a guest that i'm going to have a discussion with i would really
call him a legend and he is none other than paul check now paul has had a very distinguished career
and life in general he was a boxer and a triathlete for the army and became a trainer and evolved
into learning several different healing disciplines and has incorporated essentially
natural healing into his process and other very important things like alchemy that we're going
to discuss today and paul founded the check institute where he's been training professionals
to work with clients on health issues on sports and athleticism and many other things
personal philosophy dealing with psychological stress and many other things and we're going to
explore his experience and the current models based on all these decades of wisdom and knowledge
and experience so welcome paul it's a great pleasure to be with you you're one of my heroes
so it's fun to hang out with you and have a dialogue and i'm just super grateful and proud
of you for being you know when i i didn't know about you tell covid but when i found you i was just
like finally there's a doctor with some common sense who's got the balls to tell the truth and so
uh you've been a very important person and i've turned on countless thousands of people
and students to your work because i think it's super important and you've been a guest on my
podcast twice both of which i really enjoyed and so did my listeners well i enjoyed it as well
and it's very nice of you to say those things and you know as i really have researched and
investigated how you approach these issues i find that we are really tightly aligned on our
philosophy of health and healing so it's great to have you know a compadre in that respect here
talking about this because you know clearly we came to these truths by our own unique paths
yes but nevertheless we arrived similarly so i was listening to a recent lecture of yours
and i thought it might be fun to talk about this and then go into the underlying concepts
but you mentioned that you knew of several people you know you said dying from poops
yeah so can you tell us a little bit about that and let's kind of analyze it a little bit
yeah well it's actually statistically known that the most common time men die of heart attacks
is on monday morning which psychologists link back to the stress that people are you know in my own
way of paraphrasing are are really living in flatland they're not they're not their heart's
in their life they're they're they're doing what they've been programmed to do to make a living etc
and i had read this research many many years ago and i was working with and a man that was
extremely fit probably about your age at that time he was a he was a green beret who had
done multiple tours in vietnam and could still do like 40 chin-ups he was like steal this guy
but he was having some health challenges and i was just getting into his life issues with him
and then he didn't show up for his next appointment and then i i had to investigate and i found out
that he died of a heart attack while having a bowel movement first thing on monday morning
and i've known of other people men mostly successful executive types to die having a
bowel movement on monday morning and so you know if a person for example is even a little bit
constipated they have to generate quite a valsalva maneuver and that's exactly what creates weight
lifters heart and i know all about it because for years i was really focusing on strongman lifts
and i was doing a lot of very intense lifting and at that time i was doing single arm cleaning
and jerks for sets of four with 160 pound dumbbell and all sorts of other you know very intense
lifting and i began to have a really bad case of tachycardia and bradycardia and woke up in
the middle of the night feeling like my heart was going to jump right out of my chest went to a
doctor friend of mine who quickly diagnosed i had weight lifters heart so i had to switch over
to doing more of a circuit style slash aerobic workout and after about two months the whole
condition just evaporated and then i became much more careful to undulate my periodization so that
i didn't overload my heart but the point making is the same thing that gives you weight lifters
heart uh which hypertrophies the left ventricle is demonstrating that there's enough pressure on
the heart to put a lot of load on the heart and if a person is backed up at all and they have to
create a valsalva maneuver and their heart's not healthy and i and i think it can be heart health
from a mental emotional perspective as well as a physiological perspective because this guy that
i was working with was by no means a guy that was eating junk food or living the kind of
lifestyle that you'd think would set him up for a heart attack but he was really what i would classify
as being full on in a midlife crisis and so the pressure of generating a bowel movement was enough
to just you know blow the circuits and off he went to hang out with god for a while and and
maybe redream but uh i don't think this is at all uncommon and i think it's very real
and so there's two messages in there if you're not living from your heart and enjoying your life and
taking responsibility for what you create your heart carries that burden physically
emotionally and mentally and if you're a weight lifter and you're not undulating your
periodization so that you give your heart a break from heavy lifting once in a while you
could end up dying while having a poop now uh paul have you ever heard of anyone who
had a heart attack during a poop but survived i have not so this is interesting because and i
i agree with everything you said but i have a slightly different perspective on it so
i had a client who actually came to me with heart failure which probably was a result of the heart
attack but who described almost the same thing as you described there woke up with like you
know dripping sweat massive chest pain and an urge to have a bowel movement went on the toilet
had the chest pain built while he was pushing out the stool and then had a massive bowel movement
and then basically completely recovered crawled back into his room fell asleep woke up the
next morning felt normal so what i think may be going on is that there's kind of the underlying
cause and then there's the trigger so the the underlying cause is that there is toxicity in
the body and it precipitates a healing crisis which could be created by the trigger so even
your uh green beret friend who had a clean lifestyle um let's say just for possibility
that 10 years prior to that he had been eating seed oils on the regular because there's a lot of
indirect or epidemiologic data to suggest that seed oils and there's even some controlled studies
may be one of the primary causes of cardiovascular disease yeah and it those oils can stay in your
body fat now even if you have really low body fat it still can be in the fat that's around your
internal organs like your liver pancreas etc and your heart and the half life of these oils in in
the fat is two and a half years so that means that you know it let's say you have 100 grams in
there in two and a half years it's going to be 50 yeah in another two and a half years it'll be 25
right so it's going to be in there 10 to 15 years and it could be that because of the healthy
lifestyle and that the body's trying to heal that and then the stress kind of creates this
healing crisis where all these toxins come out in the blood and then they could be attracted to the
heart if there's increased demand on the heart like with a valsalva maneuver um but if you're able
to expel them like into the toilet successfully then that can potentially resolve the crisis yeah
you know when i hear what you're describing i would also propose an additional way of looking at
it which would not exclude anything you've said but it could highlight the difference between
my green beret client and the guy that you just talked about and that is first of all most people
have a false understanding of how the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems interact with each
other it's it's been mind blowing to me to see how many doctors and physical therapists and
chiropractors have the belief that if the sympathetic system's on the parasympathetic
systems off they think it's like a switch in a circuit board which is part of the problem with this
kind of computer head mentality that's taking the world over the way i teach it to my students is i
say put your left and right hand together we'll call the left hand the parasympathetic the
right hand the sympathetic so if you imagine that your patient that you just described was
having a huge sympathetic charge which led ultimately to the reaction from a val selva maneuver the
bowel movement but he has enough vitality core vitality to trigger an anabolic rebound
then you would have a strong parasympathetic response which would be why he came out the other
side right my green beret guy one of his big problems was as he was using exercise as an
addiction to avoid confronting himself so he was like a burned out athlete with adrenal fatigue who
did not have a lot left in the tank this is you know what i what i call fit sick people and i've
had thousands of them as clients and this is why i say to people as a metaphor don't trade your
liver for a set of pecs or a pair of biceps because it's not a good idea the problem is
people will push themselves hard enough with exercise that their conscious mind overrides the
body's natural capacity for homeostasis and allostasis and so if you push yourself to the
point where you can't rebound something's got to give and the chain's only as strong as the
length and so i think what i'm saying is my guy had such a sympathetic surge he could not
generate a parasympathetic rebound he was too depleted your guy had enough reserves
that the system naturally swung back in a simple way that i teach people to think about is just
swing a pendulum the further it swings to one side the further it's going to swing to the
other side if you don't have the resources because the greater the swing the more effort
it takes for the body to manage it just like if you're driving a car if you wander a little
bit it's not so hard but if you hit the ditch and start going sideways you have to be very focused
and it takes a lot of energy to control the vehicle and get it back on track and i think
a lot of people as athletes and just general people keep hitting the ditch but they're
getting progressive lower in their capacity to rebound and that's when a crisis emerges
all right and i think this is a really useful description and i think it also applies to the
work stress side of things right that because you have to expend a lot of energy to produce
your work product and the more stressed and the more you hate it right then your energy
to be productive is going to be further and further depleted and that also falls in the
sympathetic balance right because when you're stressed out and worried about it then you're
going to have overactive sympathetic nervous system and just for those of you who aren't
familiar with those terms the we're talking about the autonomic nervous system so the part of
of the nervous system that regulates our body functions but it's somewhat unconsciously like
we can influence it with conscious action but it's it's going on you know behind the curtain all the
time and the sympathetic is like the fight flight side of things and the parasympathetic is the
rest and digest side of things and i think you all have a sense of that and these are
always in balance like the push pull analogy that paul brought up yeah one thing that comes
to my mind i feel is important to share and i see this as a chronic problem worldwide not
just with athletes and it has a lot to do with unfortunately has a lot to do with religious
programming and a lot of unresolved childhood traumas and programming and it's what i call
externalization of the self i think for a variety of reasons which would be a long list of them
it would take a long time to go through them all but what happens is in our culture we don't
really have an intimate connection to spirit or to source we have a lot of ideas about it
and a lot of us are programmed with beliefs that make whatever we refer to as god very scary
but the outcome of that is that people instead of having a balance like inward outward
relationship like people in tebet where they have a long culture of meditation and and inner
arts and buddhism where you know osho says western religions are religions for children
because there's always somebody to tell you what to do and a big daddy in the sky but eastern
religions are religions for adults because they tell you that you're responsible for your
own mind and what you create create out of it so when people get in the habit of identifying
themselves by the status they have the power they have the money they have where they live
how much they can lift how many women they can have sex with or men they can have sex with or
dot dot dot that's the externalization of the self or the soul nature and so people
desperately try to build that up outside of themselves and don't realize that ultimately
invites the pain teacher and the function of the pain teacher is to bring you back into contact
with what you're actually creating so you can really get clear on whether or not
you want to keep doing that but if a person doesn't have a skilled doctor therapist coach or
guide to help them recognize that the inner self is really starving for attention and is
the source of your intelligently your guiding wisdom the as the acorn holds the intelligently
of the oak tree the soul holds the intelligently or the guiding influence that ultimately the
soul comes here to express so if a person's lost with their inner heart's compass they can
create impossibility walls all around themselves and build them i'll give you a quick example
i've had patients that are multi multi millionaires but live like they're broke talk like they're
broke and act like they're broke um one of my patients was a a tennis champion and one of her
friends was very very wealthy and she came to me one day and she was telling me the story in
great disgust she said my neighbor who who's a multi multi millionaire offered to take me out
for dinner and guess where they took me i said where carls jr and like she was i don't even want to
eat this fast food yeah and like so here you see how our psychological state can have a radical
influence on how we use our time energy and resources to create in the outer world but
ultimately we will at some point invite the pain teacher to ground us and have a very good reason
to hold still and come within and that and for many of my patients it was their cancer their
illnesses their injuries that actually introduced them to the spiritual life
yeah i i have definitely observed that as well and i love how you talk about you know pain
being a teacher in fact i was just recently on a like discussion webinar and was asked about pain
what you know what is pain why do we experience it and i said it is information basically right
which is and the information is for you to learn from so i like even better calling it a teacher
what when you work with someone or you know when you're teaching your check future check
professionals how to work with people um how do you approach the topic of pain because i know that's
probably like the most frequent kind of thing that you would see related to you know physical
activity right it's going to be a pain complaint especially low back pain yeah so how do you have
this discussion with people to help them see the truth of the matter well the first thing i have i have
to do is is identify what is the belief that's driving the behavior and the choices that led
to the pain in the first place um you know there can be mechanical causes of pain like
workers and athletes who just don't know how to use their body correctly to lift
but there's often an emotional relationship for example athletes like we talked about
that are pushing themselves too hard there can be a mental relationship to pain because people
are living out ideas that are just not true like i've had countless athletes drinking massive amounts
of coffee and and you know i always have them bring all supplements that they're using and they bring
in gym bags you know some of these people are spending 1500 bucks a month on supplements and so
what i when i investigate i say why are you taking all these supplements and they start
giving me all these ideas which is like stuff they've read off the internet and so there you
can see a mental source of imbalance because they're believing in things without actually
testing them or talking to people that might know whether or not it's true and so
really what i do is is i have a one two three four approach the first thing i do with anybody
that comes to me in any kind of pain as i asked them you know i quote psychologist jerry wish if
you have a big enough dream you don't need a crisis so now that you're in pain and you're
not able to do the things that you want to do what is your dream goal or objective because
if i can't identify a dream goal or objective that produces more levity than the gravity of
the situation they're in i found you can write people the best programs in the world and
they simply don't do them and so then i look at the body well what are some uh what are some examples
of uh of their dream goals that you've heard in this situation that maybe give you confidence or
maybe create doubt in your mind well i i have a process called qualifying the dream that i teach
all check professionals and in the way you qualify a dream 10 would be kamikaze pilot
committed zero would be apathetic i say if you don't have at least a seven out of ten buy in from
the heart i don't really care about the head if the heart doesn't buy in at least a seven out of
ten then i have to keep working with them to identify a worthy dream goal or objective
and there are many cases in which people simply cannot find something that they buy into so
then i ref my default is then let's find out what your nightmare is because that's where most of your
life force is being sucked up it's like a short circuit in the system turns out the most common
nightmare i run into is financial crisis people just overspending themselves into debt and and
that has a tremendous knock on effect because it sets the body up typically you know i'm being
very efficient in what i say but what what i see the most common outcome is people get
acidic from the chronic background tension sympathetic overload constant inner wine but
sorry you asked me what do i tell them about the pain or how do i well no no so let me uh
let me summarize and rephrase because i think i think you actually don't answer the question
so i was asking about you know what i was thinking it was like more the specific
nature of the dream but you pointed out that it's really their commitment to that dream goal
and if they are not having the right level of commitment then something is interfering with
that so you assess like the what's your nightmare kind of the opposite of the dream goal is what
are you the worst thing you're afraid of and i bet on a one to ten scale probably they rate
very high yes and uh and so so those are that's the thing interfering right with them from reaching
their actual goals yeah i never now you're asking what some of the the dreams were so
one of the things that's most important there is that
i help them realize that the time they're spending in rehabilitation therapy counseling etc
is actually not to fix a problem i have a statement that i make with all check professionals we
do not treat diseases that have people we coach people that have acquired a disease
and i think one of the problems we have in the western culture
is that we don't realize how powerful our language is and so the analogy i give my students
to say if i say i'm treating you to dinner tonight who do you automatically assume is paying
well they always assume that i'm gonna pay okay then if you go to a doctor or a therapist for
treatment then the assumption is you're just gonna lay there and someone's gonna fix you
your pain's gonna away your problem's gonna go away and go you can go back and keep doing
the same shit that got you in trouble in the first place so i use a coaching model and i tell
them no matter how good a coach is they can't get out on the basketball court and shoot the ball
for you or play hockey for you they can only direct you to enhance your abilities so i operate
not on a fixing model but on a coaching model and my rule is i don't do anything for
my patients or clients that they can't do for themselves if they can't mobilize their
first rib i'll do that you know if they need their temperament doubler joint mobilized or
their atlas corrected i can do that but if there's anything that i can teach them how to do
then they need to learn that and my rule is we don't pass go if i give you stretches of
mobilizations exercise diet and lifestyle corrections and you come back and you're not
doing them we're simply going to review those for the session i'm not going to keep going
because i've found over and over again that people will spend tons of money then just come
back and complain they're not getting better because in their mind they came to get treated
and yes so i think that's a disease in our western cultures mind which we spread all over
the world unfortunately um but common goals like many many people say they just want to
play with their grandkids paul if i may interrupt for a second because i just want to
back that up yeah because you know one it fits in with what you were talking about about like
paternalism you know that it's like father medicine is going to care for you and fix your problems
rather than you fixing them yourself and when i work with clients you know as a teacher
as a consultant i it's the same thing right first i'm not providing medical treatment or
medical care i'm i'm teaching information and perhaps providing a little bit of coaching
but it's up to you yeah right and many times also i give people like i i teach them about
alternative choices i'm like well this you know would likely help you if you did this and so
with this and you know you choose between them you know here's how this one works and
works um and you know it's when they don't follow through or they uh self-sabotage right
that's that's when they don't achieve their their dream goals yeah um
so i'm sorry i'll please go ahead and continue where you left off well i
i what i was saying is you asked me what some of the dreams were a lot of people that have
grandchildren say all i want to do is be able to play with my grandkids athletes if they're
competitive say well i want to win you know whatever the competition is interestingly having you know
i owned a physical therapy clinic for three years and i worked in the biggest one in san
diego for four years i worked with a chiropractor specializing in sports injuries for two years
and prior to that i was trained by an osteopathic physician as the trainer of the army boxing
team so by the time i started the check institute i had 11 years of clinical experience so i got to
see how a lot of these things play out but um when people are for example coming to see me
when i owned my physical therapy clinic through workman's compensation and i would ask them
what their dream is i rarely ever heard that it was to go back to work in fact
i found that i had to i actually had to study how to analyze illness behavior and and i
found in research there's there's questionnaires and tests you can do to determine if someone's
got illness behavior and so i found that i actually had to work with people and counsel them
that they didn't need to go back to being a ups driver if they could really find out what it
is that they loved enough to to grow and to change for and and it might be seeing a career
counselor it often takes some exploration to help people find these things but a lot of them just
have the belief they're just stuck there and and and so so my point is is that they would
not actually want me to rehabilitate them because if i did they had to go back and if
they could get by on what workman's compensation was paying them and watch tv all day and
throw frisbees to their dog they thought they had the world by the tail
but as a therapist being monitored by insurance companies if i don't get results i'll be my own
death sentence by playing that game with patients so i quickly found i had to really
do a deep study of psychology and behavior change to get to be effective as a therapist
working on orthopedic rehabilitation and athletic injuries and also high performance
conditioning and so i spent you know 30 years now going very deep into depth psychology and
everything related to it and reading books on behavior change and and and working on it in
myself too to find my own patterns but i think that's one of the key things and i just wanted
to show you a system i developed it took me about 15 years of research this is called
the Czech totem pole have you ever seen me talk about that before i have so you'll notice at the
top there's a bird there that's the symbol of the soul and the psyche so what this is is called the
survival reflex totem pole and it demonstrates based on my research and clinical experience
what systems have hierarchical control over what other systems you'll notice at the bottom
you see a little man that looks like a slave there these are called slave joints so that's
every joint from c3 to l45 the hips shoulders elbows wrist hands knees ankles and feet the rest of them
are in the hierarchical system so at the top you have breathing then mastication then vision then
auditory vestibular then upper cervical then visceral then limbic emotional which is a floating
symbol it can go up and down because people can commit suicide and that's based on psychosocial
medicine then you have the sacrum and the coccyx because the phylum terminally attaches to the
coccyx so any distortion the central nervous system will automatically create distortions in the
lumbo pelvic girdle and then below you have the slave joints you know 90 95 to 98 percent of
people coming for orthopedic problems of any kind or athletic injuries or have pain down here
but I constantly find problems all through the system that nobody looks at and I can tell you
exactly how that plays out real quick there is an athlete by the name of Kobe Bryant that once came
to me in trouble fortunately his private strength coach had done a lot of training with me and he
called me up and said look Paul Kobe's had really bad left knee pain for two years now
we've tried every single doctor and therapist and nobody knows what the hell to do with them
and he's really getting frustrated because he's in so much pain and is getting worse
and so he finally is willing to come see you so Kobe came down to see me and as soon as he walked
in the door I took one look at him and go this guy's got a really bad atlas subluxation because
his head's sitting crooked on top of his neck which is a classic indicator I put him on my
very expensive bilateral scales he was I think 17 or 18 pounds heavy on the left leg which I
think was his painful knee side now when you consider that your every stride you take when
you run you get four to seven times kinetic body weight in shock through the kinetic chain
and he's running about you know some some say six to ten k a game so that's a tremendous
amount of load if you take 17 pounds and multiply it by 1,509 strides a mile for
the average person it turns out to be thousands and thousands of extra pounds a game
because of that imbalance so I said to Kobe at the time I said look I can do a very comprehensive
evaluation on you it's going to take me about five hours to do it and you're going to have to
fill out paperwork it'll take you about four hours to fill it out I'm going to look into
your family history I'm going to know more about you than your mother does or you can let me
correct what I see going on right now and we'll just see what happens so he said let's just see
what happens so I did a manual therapy correction on his atlas put him on the scales zeroed him out
to equal weight on both sides took me about oh 25 minutes and I said now let's go out into my gym
and I said I want you to do anything that used to hurt to you and see if you can
tell me if it's any better so he started running and jumping and hopping on and off of his left leg
and all of a sudden he just screamed he goes oh my god I don't have any pain how the hell did you do that
then he turns to his strength coach and says why have I been going to all these
doctors and therapists for two years have made me worse and this guy that doesn't even
have a college degree figured me out in six minutes and his strength coach said
I told you he knows what he's doing I've been trying to get you here for two years
what's the point the totem pole you know when your atlas or axis is out of place new cause research
shows even three quarters of one degree will cause significant tension in the central nervous system
and I could give you a long elaborate explanation but it'll create distortion through the body
because if the atlas is out of place the head does not sit level the vestibular systems off
the eyes are off and that's what we need to see what's trying to eat us and what we want to
eat so that is like the gyroscope and the pilots dashboard and if it's off every system in the body
will try to compensate so if the head's caught from a contact injury for example and you're
leaning to the right then the torso will shift to the left and the weight shift will go to the
left because it's trying to get the eyes level with the rise in the teeth level with the rise
in the vestibular system be in a neutral position and so people kept trading the knee
in the in the back and they were just you know symptomatically approaching it right but you know
really what I'm trying to point out here is that this is you know almost four billion years of
evolution and every one of these systems is has a hierarchy of control because it's based on
what the body needs to do to keep itself alive and the psyche is riding at the top
and one's perception of pain or one's perception of stress is as real as actual pain or physical
stress the brain and the the psyche cannot differentiate perceived from actual stress
people create more pain with their minds than they do with their environment usually so I I have
it takes me four to five years depending on the student to train them in the
comprehensive analysis of these systems the point being is I need to know which system is
causing the compensations or I'm just treating symptoms and I got to know why what is the beliefs
and the behaviors that led to the choices such as diet and lifestyle practices exercise
practice sexual practices recreation or whatever it is that I am actually dealing with the
symptoms of or all I can do is allopathic medicine and it just doesn't work very well
right and this is exactly the approach that I take with people it's you know a discussion to
find out all those things I'm not as systematic as you because I basically my training as a
psychiatrist was largely about interviewing so I can use the problems are at the top
yes but all these things you know you I can I ask about all those aspects that you mentioned
as well and you know it's it is really surprising that they didn't have Coby see a chiropractor
because I would think of you know any decent chiropractor would have been able to recognize
that but but you know I'll just interject no really I have been a keynote speaker at the
year specialized training in order to adjust the atlas axis complex accurately
nuke nuke has identified over 10 000 patterns of subluxation and it has to be put back in place
on a specialized table that takes gravitational load off the neck and it has to be done exactly
precisely I've tested them all over the world and there's only a handful of good ones so the
first thing I did was send Coby Bryant to my buddy Kenny shepherd who I've been working with
since 1988 got him straightened out and Kenny and his wife and Marie shepherd are some of the few
that are very accurate but my student you know I've got almost I think I've got 64 000 check
professionals around the world now it's very very hard to find someone that can do the
upper cervical correction accurately I teach basically what would be muscle energy techniques
to do it but there's cases where the joint mechanics are completely screwed up often because
of impact injuries and so then you have to have a nuke a chiropractor to do the job properly
but my only point is it's not at all as simple as just a chiropractic correction in fact a lot of
don't get throw bullets at me chiropractor but a lot of chiropractic adjustments actually
cause these problems because the skill level you know most chiropractic adjustments for an
atlas are like hitting a swiss watch with a sledge hammer this thing is wickedly sensitive
um and I've the list of people that I have helped with serious problems often after multiple surgeries
by correcting that atlas with manual therapy is unbelievable and people often just break down
in tears because they didn't realize how simple of a correction it was if someone actually knows
what they're doing but the other thing that's very very important is we have huge problems
due to our diet influences on our occlusal system on the jaw and any malocclusion whatsoever
so ever creates torsion in the atlas axis complex as a compensatory mechanism I found
countless people with ocular disorders such as an esophore at one eye pointing outward too much
exophore or esophore inward pointing esotropia right and there's a like there's a long
list of ocular disorders and I've had people with severe scoliosis that nobody could help and I identified
serious problems in their eyes and have had mind blowing results by sending them to behavioral
optometrists who work on the mental emotional aspects of vision and I've seen scoliosis
I mean like 50 degree curves 55 degree curves come down to almost normal within about six months
of seeing nothing but a behavioral optometrist and I measure these things
goniometrically accurately use x-rays so when you start seeing the power of these control systems
to influence everything below your vestibular systems directly linked to the atlas the eyes
to direct the motor system so if the eyes are out of balance and the whole motor systems
out of balance and thousands of what look like athletic injuries are actually ocular dysfunction
causing faulty movement patterns in the body so this whole head system is actually
very very intimately in contact with the whole digestive visceral motor system
and so I learned many many years ago as a young therapist that I had to assess the cranial nerve
function on everybody or I would not know if I was treating a symptom and then you know some
of these times I have to find people like you I have to find neurologists I have to you know have
very elaborate scans done I found people with brain tumors you know a long laundry list of
things that people never would have thought were involved I've had to use orthodontists I've had to
use biological dentists I've had to send people to ear nose and throat specialists a quick example
as I had a guy with what was diagnosed as restless leg syndrome who was an elite level triathlete
chronic pain in his left leg after oh you know maybe about 30 minutes of running he would get
severe pain in his left leg and and he couldn't run or bike and nobody could find anything wrong
with him well I found out that he had had his nose broken several years previous and had a very
badly deviated septum so when I used a spirometer test on him if there's more
than a 10% difference in airflow through the left or the right nostril it means there will be a
disruption in the balance of the cranium and it'll cause a knock-on effect on the autonomic nervous
system and the posture and and the dynamic posture once I send him to an ear nose and throat
specialist he got his septum straightened out his whole body normalized and he went back to
being an elite professional triathlete with no trouble but it would have probably taken him
2000 years of seeing typical doctors and therapists for anyone to identify what was really going on
right because they're not there you know I mean one of the things that you have
been critical of with respect to the allopathic medical system right is the compartmentalization
where you know they only focus on a very narrow area of the body functioning right and they
they don't see the interconnectedness that you have brought up in your totem pole
diagram I wonder when I saw the totem pole right away it made me think of the chakra system
yes so the chakra system tells you the psychophysical correlation to these
neurologically reflex driven pathways which were built by the progressive development of cells
and systems over billions of years specifically for survival so again this is a survival reflex
system this is what the body does automatically at way below conscious level even right to the
spinal cord level to try to ensure survivability in nature right and so there's these compensatory
mechanisms essentially to ensure survival but they don't function optimally and that's why
we have to look at this hierarchy to say okay for this problem here is the level of the cause
the same or is it come from a hierarchical level right that's been overlooked and that sounds like
that's what mostly your observations are encountering and I don't know if those are patients who
already failed other treatments you know or right and so
they're not going to get you know it's the same thing many people who come to me also have failed
multiple other approaches and similarly I often experience when I say oh well have you thought
that this might be a factor and you know did any of the other people ever mentioned that and
no no one no one thought of it no one asked about it just before I forget for the for the people
that are engaging us right now if you go to my youtube channel which is youtube.com forward
slash paul chek live youtube.com forward slash paul check live if you search check totem pole
I've got two videos on there where I walk you through each level of the totem pole
and many many people out in in the world who have watched those videos have reported back to me
that based on the symptoms they had and what I shared in the videos they went and saw the
practitioner that would be the right one for the level of totem pole and were able to completely
resolve chronic painful issues and and so I think because we don't have time to go in detail
people that want to know more about it I presented in layman terms but I think it'll
help people to understand and for doctors and therapists it's also very very important knowledge
to have paul do you do you work directly with clients these days or do you have a referral
network of your you know alumni who are working directly with folks I do work with clients
but to be brutally honest with you look I've been a therapist for 42 years now
um I I just got so burnt out on dealing with bodies and weightlifting like it just didn't
fill my heart so um the natural byproduct of my own inner evolution and my evolution as a
therapist is that I was deeply drawn to Carl Jung's work and Rudolph Steiner's work and
many others and and really my love is to get to the actual cause of people's problems which is
almost always mental emotional and belief systems and family crisis and family trauma coming through
the gene line so I won't take on private clients unless their case is interesting to me and it
and then when I evaluate them and figure out what's going on I refer them out I usually
start with the check instructors because they're most highly qualified and if people
going to forward them I say you know go to someone that really knows what they're doing
because that's going to be a home run for you um in 2006 I did a year of training with a doctor
that was helping people heal with psychedelics which I had massive breakthroughs in my own
healing through the use of plant medicines um then I joined the Native American Council so
that I could do Native American healing ceremonies with psychedelics and I've now
conducted over a thousand healing ceremonies and and I've been able to fast track healing for people
so my work is that using a mescaline or a psilocybin it can be mescaline it can be psilocybin
it can be uh ayahuasca it could be uh um DMT it could be uh you know a lot of different
things depending on what I think is the right medicine for the person's unique profile
and so I really would say that I've transitioned more into handling my patients from a spiritual
perspective because ultimately what I find at the base of almost everybody's problems is
a need to feel loved, a need to feel safe, a need to feel wanted and a need to feel valued
and if their life circumstances have not brought them into a state of loving uh connection to
an appreciation for and a willingness to see themselves as a work of art and an expression
of all that is whatever model you want to use god or universe or cosmos then they're almost always
constantly chasing after a way to get validation approval and and feel loved and I think the
pain teacher brings people to people like me and you to really get um a chance to really
heal what's stopping them from being whole because the number of patients I've had to work
with it had addictions is is through the roof I would say eight eight out of ten of them are actually
dealing with addiction so I studied addiction very heavily my brother was a drug addict by age seven
he committed suicide uh when I was 34 um and basically I define an addiction uh because
all the dictionary definitions are very complex they don't really get to the root of it so I
put my own definition to an addiction an addiction is any repeated behavior that does
not produce the results you want and when you look at the repeated behaviors in people's lives
from drinking excessive coffee to eating too much food to staying up too late at night to
playing video games and not meeting responsibilities it it's a repeated behavior that's not producing
the results people want and you can't really address issues of addiction until you get to
the kind of issues that we've just been talking about because almost always it's a it's a say I
all I believe all addictions are safe attempts to to get love and the beautiful thing about
is a beer bottle is it doesn't complain about how you kiss it and neither does a cigarette
and so for a lot of people this is a desperate attempt to to be able to find a way out of flatland
to have and a chance to be in an alternate reality to have something that gives them joy
that gives them the ability to not have to think about or feel their pain
but it's often the only thing in the lives that they perceive is just for them
and that's why it's very very hard to transition addicts into a more holistic healthy lifestyle
and to learn to manage these things it's just like telephone just like phones and
AI a phone and AI in a mind all have one thing in common they make far better tools than masters
and so I find when a person's mind is structured such that it's antagonistic to their own well-being
they become the tool of the mind just like they become tools to their phone and get addicted to
getting likes or via trying to get videos to go via whatever it is and so my love
where I feel I do the world the most benefit is to take people deeply into themselves
realize the majesty and the mystery and the awe of what it took to create any one of us
and to sustain each of us and then I find that once they pass through that
that they become walking living examples that others can follow and they almost always
their heart almost always leads them into the caregiver archetype in some way
because they become leaders of men's groups they become leaders of women's groups they
start clinics they fund projects you know and so for me that's when I feel at this stage in
my career I'm actually doing the work that is most appropriate for me if I'm working on bulging
discs and hamstring strains that then I feel like I'm dying inside because I'm not listening to my
soul and I'm not doing what I should be doing as an elder in our culture now I'm getting older
you know I'm I'll be 65 next year which is hard for me to believe well it definitely doesn't
show Paul you know that is such a beautiful message I think it's a great way to close out this
interview because there are so many take home points and it certainly gives you a great feelings of
peace to listen to that message so if people want to learn more from you you have some courses you
train people to become Czech professionals how will people find out more about that how can they
I mean you certainly don't just take anyone into your training program so is there a rigorous
process or how does that all work we have an application process to become a Czech professional
that's the Czech academy the central hub of of all my work is paulchek.com there you can find my
podcast you can find my spirit gym program which is deep spiritual development healing all the
kinds of stuff we just talked about I felt it was so important I had to do a public access
training program and that is basically the synthesis of my new 15 volume book series called
welcome to spirit gem so that's my spirit gem.com I mentioned my youtube channel but paulcheck.com
kind of is the access point where you can find everything in the Czech institute is chek.com
but paulcheck.com you can find it all in one spot and then just say oh I'm interested in this
or I'm interested in that I've published I think 12 books now my most popular one I've
shared with you how to eat move and be healthy that's available on amazon and really what I did
just as a quick side note after you know about 12 or 13 years in a clinic I just dawned on me one day
that I have to keep saying the same things over and over and over again to everybody I mean nobody
understands how to read their poop they don't know what you know what how to read their urine
they don't know how to you know eat right they don't know how to so I'm like why am I
saying this like a broken record and so I'd spent years working with a professional
artist making handouts so my my therapy room was like a classroom and I would say here let's look
at your popes here's the different popes you know let's look at your diet let's look at your
sleep rhythms so I finally said you know what I'm going to take all these handouts which was
two file drawers full I'm going to string them together with some education and some story
and that became how to eat move and be healthy and so for you know for 25 bucks and interestingly
I teach my check professionals I see look after 42 years I have found something quite interesting
90% of the people that I help heal and get back on the road again don't need to be taught anything
beyond what's in my book how to eat move and be healthy because the body will automatically
clean itself and heal itself if you just give it to resources so you know for a really small
fee uh you can buy how to eat move and be healthy there's a series of questionnaires
there's a score graph it tells you exactly which chapters to read to lower the stress in the system
what joint mobilizations what exercises what stretches what diet changes and lifestyle changes to
make based on your scores and if a thousand people use the book they'll get a thousand different
approaches and I think it's the only book I know of in the world that fully customizes what you
do based on your individual needs well you know thank you so much for creating all these
resources I definitely recommend your book and I will add though that I know exactly what you're
talking about with people asking the same questions that you've already explained countless times and
I guarantee that they'll still do that even after they read your book and we'll probably see
some comments below asking those same things but it's a burden that we bear but we we realize
it's it's for the better good patience is a virtue that's right thank you so much for
spending this time with us paul and for everything that you do hey my pleasure thank you birds of
a feather flock together baby we got a lot of work to do out there and I tell my check
professionals today is the day to be a check professional because there's about seven
billion people that need your help and if you can't make a good living doing this just go
stand in the mirror and meet the problem absolutely all right everyone we'll see you next time thank you
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and i'll see you in the next true health report