WEBVTT 00:11.540 --> 00:15.760 We've got some last minute, you know change ups obviously as you can see 00:16.660 --> 00:22.100 And of course, let me just go over to I don't want to neglect bringing wrath into the conversation 00:22.100 --> 00:26.920 So he's kind enough to actually step in and hang out with us for for the whole show tonight 00:26.920 --> 00:31.440 So doing things a little bit different tonight. We're trying to make Sal proud 00:31.440 --> 00:38.640 But yeah GM to our friends in the comments go ahead and post any questions you have if you don't know who crypto 00:38.640 --> 00:40.080 vigilante are 00:40.800 --> 00:47.280 It's a team that Raphael started with Jeff Berwick way back in the days. They are the 00:47.920 --> 00:49.460 premier crypto 00:51.560 --> 00:56.020 Membership that you can get all the crypto insights that you would really need from 00:56.660 --> 01:01.080 Everything obviously like technical analysis stuff that people want to know about for trading 01:01.080 --> 01:03.800 But really the important stuff fundamental analysis 01:04.380 --> 01:12.460 And then operational security right like all the how do you actually maneuver the crypto landscape without tripping yourself up? 01:13.040 --> 01:13.520 because 01:14.120 --> 01:21.260 Yeah, so when Rafa, you know, he's a known person on you know, Twitter on the whole crypto space 01:21.260 --> 01:26.080 He's probably seen him at speak at conferences if you've ever been to a crypto event 01:26.640 --> 01:29.520 But there's been a lot going on lately that 01:29.520 --> 01:34.820 Rafa and I have been discussing that is always interesting to watch when the 01:35.520 --> 01:38.060 Crypto community is fighting with each other 01:38.720 --> 01:42.760 Over things and sometimes it's dumb and sometimes it's pretty significant. So 01:43.420 --> 01:46.820 Adam, of course, you guys know is sort of the 01:46.820 --> 01:54.100 non-political non crypto guy who really rounds out the show by 01:55.200 --> 01:58.120 Allowing us to kind of bring things down to 01:58.700 --> 02:00.780 To you know, ground level normal 02:03.000 --> 02:08.120 Thank you booking understand. Yeah. Thank you Adam. I feel like bring us back down to earth, bro 02:08.680 --> 02:13.440 Since starting this podcast, I've learned a lot and you know, what's funny is I 02:14.560 --> 02:19.960 Am an anarchist without knowing it this whole time pretty much, you know, I agree with basically everything 02:21.300 --> 02:24.700 That we talk about on here and it was just a case of really 02:26.080 --> 02:32.080 Not realizing it but just logically it made sense to me, you know, so 02:34.180 --> 02:35.740 Yeah, amen, so 02:36.260 --> 02:42.300 Yeah, actually, why don't we get into that right away with with wrath? Why don't you tell us your sort of story? 02:43.040 --> 02:45.280 For those who maybe are not familiar with you 02:45.280 --> 02:51.040 I don't think we've ever really done this. So we're like I'm interviewing you like we're like, you know pretty good 02:51.720 --> 02:53.800 friends for years now and 02:53.800 --> 03:00.020 I know your story, but I imagine that there's a lot of people who don't so why don't you just kind of briefly tell 03:00.020 --> 03:03.940 The audience who you are and then a little bit about, you know, crypto vigilante 03:04.860 --> 03:07.500 So I fell in love with Bitcoin in 2012 03:08.200 --> 03:15.200 Studying Austrian economics with a group at the University of Texas called the Mises circle a lot of OG 03:15.200 --> 03:21.860 Bitcoiners that are now very famous and important people in the space were part of that group including 03:21.860 --> 03:28.160 For example, the girl who passed away that is that was the founder of coin telegraph 03:28.840 --> 03:30.860 So shout out to coin telegraph 03:32.800 --> 03:37.620 Michael Goldstein Pierre Rochard was a big influence in BTC right now 03:37.620 --> 03:41.060 He is one of the reasons why Michael sailor got into Bitcoin 03:41.060 --> 03:46.300 So I got into Bitcoin with with these guys, you know as we were studying Austrian economics 03:46.860 --> 03:50.500 also the emperor of Bitcoin himself the father of 03:51.140 --> 03:53.140 Bitcoin maximalism and 03:54.080 --> 03:57.480 and also the father of hyperbic coinization Daniel Kraywitz 03:57.480 --> 04:03.160 Jimmy song was among stars like we had a real cool vibe real cool team and 04:04.620 --> 04:05.340 I 04:05.340 --> 04:10.260 I looked up to Jeff because Jeff Berwick it was someone who who 04:10.780 --> 04:18.900 Was like a lone wolf out there speaking and preaching the good news of of freedom that they don't teach you about in mainstream and 04:19.620 --> 04:21.600 I met him at a conference in 04:21.600 --> 04:22.600 in 04:23.220 --> 04:28.860 Florida at the at a Miami event for I remember of italic 04:28.860 --> 04:32.020 had his first presentation on Ethereum and 04:32.800 --> 04:37.660 After that presentation Jeff and I got to know one another and Jeff 04:38.200 --> 04:41.020 You know the friendship kept going and we thought about creating 04:42.080 --> 04:47.940 The Bitcoin vigilante the crypto vigilante and then I went off to do other things in in crypto 04:47.940 --> 04:52.420 I went to work in Wall Street for a while. I was part of the bit angels network 04:53.060 --> 04:58.420 One of the first founding members of the bit angels network where we source capital for all of the early 04:59.140 --> 05:04.480 Bitcoin startups and crypto startups and then from there, you know the you know 05:04.480 --> 05:05.400 I've always been very 05:06.080 --> 05:12.200 Focused on this idea, which is it's important in order for crypto and in Bitcoin to thrive 05:12.200 --> 05:18.280 You really have to educate the people so the technology is not really in the machines themselves 05:18.280 --> 05:23.540 But in our minds and so if we educate people on these technologies 05:23.540 --> 05:31.920 You're you're you're growing the capacity of these technologies themselves because these technologies require for 05:32.660 --> 05:39.060 Us as individuals to really embrace them and in order to embrace them you really have to know how to use these technologies 05:39.060 --> 05:45.560 So like you said at the crypto vigilante, we focus on on the I like to say the what when and 05:46.440 --> 05:49.780 How the what when and how what is this technology? 05:50.680 --> 05:57.560 What what are these blockchains? What is the difference between all of these networks? What do they offer? That is the what? 05:58.440 --> 06:00.460 The when is a technical analysis 06:01.140 --> 06:07.520 When do I buy? When do I sell? That's a very important question for anyone that wants to preserve value or make money 06:07.520 --> 06:11.060 So we are very fortunate to have on our team 06:11.060 --> 06:18.840 The crew that started that first charted Bitcoin and Bitcoin talk forums in 20 in 2010 06:18.840 --> 06:25.940 So these guys a lot of Bitcoin OGs may not may you remember the name of Bull bear analytics or the Bitcoin bull bear 06:25.940 --> 06:31.980 Was the other original name? Well, that is who our TA is so the Bitcoin bull bear 06:31.980 --> 06:34.640 Bull bear analytics is the crypto vigilante 06:35.480 --> 06:42.080 On the TA front and so we have a collective group of analysts at TCV where we 06:42.080 --> 06:46.500 we we we go come to everything from an Austrian economics perspective and 06:48.180 --> 06:53.500 We engage crypto from that perspective that allows us to have almost like 06:54.820 --> 06:58.980 X-ray vision because when you understand Austrian economics, you realize that 06:59.700 --> 07:02.920 The economy is something that is P2P in its nature 07:02.920 --> 07:07.000 are they the the economy is all about voluntary exchange and 07:07.520 --> 07:13.980 Bitcoin was created for that world to augment our natural human nature. So it's it's something that 07:14.980 --> 07:16.600 That we we champion 07:16.600 --> 07:23.400 it's the backbone of everything we do and what makes us extremely special is that we also focus on precious metals bonds 07:23.500 --> 07:27.180 Just the overall market and we have in our team 07:28.380 --> 07:32.880 Jeff Burwick and and Ed Bougos who focus on on gold and silver 07:32.880 --> 07:40.700 So these guys are like the in my opinion the most badass analysts in the world when it comes to to precious metals and 07:42.080 --> 07:46.400 and the overall market from an Austrian perspective, so 07:47.380 --> 07:51.180 Having that perspective in mind having them as the backbone of 07:51.620 --> 07:55.680 Of our team it allows us to focus on crypto in a very direct way 07:55.680 --> 08:00.500 Where once you make money in crypto the next step is like what do I do with all of this wealth? 08:00.940 --> 08:06.540 Well, you have a team that can give you a wider perspective regarding the the rest of the market 08:06.540 --> 08:08.640 so it really is a labor of love 08:09.700 --> 08:12.900 we're all Bitcoin old geez crypto old geez and 08:14.480 --> 08:20.720 We are driven by an advocacy for teaching people the value of these technologies 08:21.180 --> 08:24.400 Alex, you're still with us. You're still with me. I 08:24.400 --> 08:28.220 Don't see you guys. I'm always here, bro. Yeah, we're just trying to give you the spotlight. Oh 08:28.220 --> 08:38.240 What we are what we offer the market is just that take that because it's crazy to me how like 08:39.880 --> 08:44.080 We're we were we were blessed that we started the crypto vigilante in a time when 08:44.780 --> 08:47.080 was no AI and 08:47.080 --> 08:51.860 Now any the one that you see any commercial that you see on the internet you have to ask yourself 08:51.860 --> 08:55.000 Who is that person? Is that even a real person? Can I trust them? 08:55.740 --> 09:00.740 And and the cool thing about us is that we created a reputation of people who are independent thinkers 09:02.340 --> 09:08.620 Before AI because now if anyone wants to like be an influencer at this level when you are where you are 09:09.240 --> 09:11.560 you know going into deep research on 09:12.220 --> 09:16.360 on what matters most which is like hot and cutting-edge technology that 09:17.280 --> 09:21.480 Empowers the individual. Well, you need to be a trustworthy person and so 09:22.200 --> 09:26.880 The whole that the world can hold accountable, right? Someone that who requires a reputation 09:27.760 --> 09:29.860 and and so we're blessed to have been 09:30.640 --> 09:33.260 that have been started at a time where 09:34.220 --> 09:38.820 There was no AI so we carry that I carry that almost as a big responsibility 09:39.640 --> 09:46.400 Because we are the last we are my team. I consider myself and our team as like the last generation of 09:47.080 --> 09:50.840 Austrian economic analysts that have embraced crypto 09:51.500 --> 09:55.760 In the world because and you know what if you really think about it. Are there any other? 09:56.360 --> 10:04.160 Crypto analysts that come from that pedigree of of like the Austrian school who are talking about crypto 10:04.160 --> 10:09.400 I don't see anyone else. So I carry that responsibility on my shoulders like I really honor 10:09.400 --> 10:14.440 I really honor the place that people have given us in in in their minds in their hearts 10:14.440 --> 10:19.340 Because I know that we carry a lot of responsibility on our shoulders. We really do 10:20.000 --> 10:22.860 And so it's just an honor to be part of that 10:23.740 --> 10:24.260 and 10:24.260 --> 10:30.160 We look forward to cultivating that more into the future and to lend 10:30.760 --> 10:31.280 our 10:32.000 --> 10:36.520 our social capital per se to those people who we know can be 10:37.080 --> 10:43.480 Trusted into the future, right? So it's it's a we're very mission-driven in that regard and and it's something that 10:45.840 --> 10:51.700 About preserving capital and making money, but then the most important thing for me personally is advocacy 10:51.700 --> 10:55.000 so it's it's kind of drawing the fine line between like 10:55.600 --> 10:59.040 This is here and this is making our money, right? 10:59.580 --> 11:05.060 And so it's and it's at the end and some people come to us because they're very interested in the advocacy aspect of things 11:05.060 --> 11:11.580 Others just are here to make money and so to teach people how to embrace these technologies in a way where they can personalize 11:11.580 --> 11:18.380 These technologies I think that is of a lot of value and and and something that people need 11:18.380 --> 11:22.840 You know to have that buffet of technology and how to embrace these technologies 11:22.840 --> 11:29.060 And then be able to accommodate and personalize those technologies in their own personal life 11:29.060 --> 11:31.940 So the what is what are we talking about? 11:32.520 --> 11:39.960 The one went to buy and then the how is operational security something that we take that we're very big on which is like 11:39.960 --> 11:46.860 How do I actually I'll protect myself on the internet with these technologies? So it's um 11:47.580 --> 11:55.780 It's a that right there is in my opinion my my my personal favorite aspect of what we do is the opposite aspect of what we do 11:55.780 --> 12:02.920 So that's that's the crypto vigilante in a nutshell guys and you can sign up to for the free newsletter at crypto vigilante that I own 12:04.980 --> 12:09.060 This was a Twitter space is I would do the clap audio sound effect right now 12:09.060 --> 12:12.360 I need to figure out how to get a sound board on put me on the spot, bro 12:12.360 --> 12:13.420 I wasn't expecting that 12:14.520 --> 12:21.880 Click that we're gonna post that as a whole segment good shit Adam. What's your response? Yeah, um, I mean like 12:22.480 --> 12:28.320 With crypto up until you know more recently for me, you know, I wasn't in crypto 12:29.160 --> 12:35.820 I always saw it as I mean they make they make it seem like it's just to get rich quick scheme, you know 12:37.020 --> 12:42.680 But the more I've looked at it. It's it's truly a way to kind of free yourself from 12:43.520 --> 12:48.940 The government essentially, you know, they your tax dollars are going to you know 12:48.940 --> 12:54.240 God only knows where for war and whatever else, you know, that's not something you you signed up for and 12:54.780 --> 12:56.280 these private coins especially 12:57.120 --> 13:00.660 They give you, you know a way out of that another way to 13:01.740 --> 13:02.480 you know 13:02.980 --> 13:07.960 Not be a part of the this shitty system, you know, so 13:09.320 --> 13:15.060 But the the side effect is there is a lot of you can make money with it and that's great 13:15.060 --> 13:20.780 It's just an extra little side effect of it. Yeah, the issue is when the side effect becomes the main focus 13:20.780 --> 13:26.700 Yeah, and then it totally flips the the whole thing from what it was designed and intended to be and now we're like 13:26.700 --> 13:31.840 Yay, Bankster coins and CBDCs and stuff and all of this is good for crypto 13:31.840 --> 13:35.580 And it's like, you know, it's great because it used to be a meme 13:35.580 --> 13:39.900 We would respond to anything with this is good for Bitcoin. Yeah 13:39.900 --> 13:44.060 And if it was bad then it would be like Bitcoin fixes this, right? 13:44.200 --> 13:52.060 And so that's actually the the little post that we put out in promotion of this episode because you know Sal's been big in 13:52.680 --> 13:53.220 into 13:54.440 --> 13:55.960 All the foreign policy 13:55.960 --> 14:03.340 Bullshit that's going on with all the Middle Eastern conflicts and bombings and babies dying and it's it's awful and 14:03.340 --> 14:10.280 You know, I think about, you know, we're always talking about free Roger Ver and he was like 14:10.280 --> 14:15.100 man, what a compelling voice for you know, how 14:15.840 --> 14:21.480 Crypto and Bitcoin can actually like really improve the world right because he was the guy who was like 14:21.480 --> 14:25.060 You know breaking down and in tears talking about how, you know 14:25.060 --> 14:31.020 More babies will die if this is prolonged longer and longer like you guys don't realize like and it's like libertarians 14:31.020 --> 14:34.940 Yeah, we can make the connection. It's like fix the money fix the world like, you know 14:34.940 --> 14:38.320 But what's the in-between process and you know now? It's uh? 14:39.060 --> 14:43.140 Yeah, it's a big casino and Trump coin and and hot to a 14:44.100 --> 14:49.420 I would say I would say that that's still good for Bitcoin that that's still good for crypto the 14:49.420 --> 14:52.600 So this is like where education comes in you 14:52.600 --> 14:59.820 Have to realize that the world is gonna want to join these technologies and and anyone can join these technologies. They're open source 15:00.520 --> 15:01.060 the 15:01.660 --> 15:08.120 Question now is now that we have all this infusion of capital coming in nation states and corporations embracing Bitcoin 15:08.880 --> 15:12.620 If you really think about it, it's not like we're losing power 15:13.620 --> 15:17.360 No, we see the people have the upper hand. Why because 15:18.200 --> 15:23.280 these technologies are inherently for to be person-to-person P2P and 15:24.620 --> 15:32.980 What the central planners want and what banksters want and what a fintech and big tech want is they want to 15:32.980 --> 15:40.280 Continue being the the middleman between every transaction where there would be data or whether it be fine a financial transaction 15:40.280 --> 15:44.060 And since they want to be the middleman that is their Achilles heel, right? 15:44.060 --> 15:50.100 They always want to take a cut and because they're they're there and they want to take that cut that actually works against their and their 15:52.060 --> 15:54.700 They're their bottom-lying long term because 15:55.780 --> 16:01.560 Anytime anytime they approach approximate crypto or they embrace Bitcoin. They're actually 16:03.860 --> 16:05.620 They're they're they're becoming the 16:08.580 --> 16:13.840 I forget the term but the the horse the show horse that you put out before the real horse 16:13.840 --> 16:15.860 that's what they're doing and so 16:17.280 --> 16:21.360 That only means that a people that's people embrace it breaks these technologies 16:21.360 --> 16:29.240 They're going to discover that they have superpowers for the individual for us P2P and no matter what happens 16:29.240 --> 16:33.560 We're always going to be able to provide and serve each other 16:33.560 --> 16:40.140 Whereas they positioning themselves as the middleman. They will always be working against 16:41.460 --> 16:43.560 their own self-interest in a way because 16:44.500 --> 16:46.680 They're not embraced by their nature 16:46.680 --> 16:53.940 They cannot embrace the fullness of these technologies whereas the rest of the world can and and I think that's something that 16:53.940 --> 16:58.820 Needs to be emphasized and the only way to like bridge that gap is with education 17:00.320 --> 17:04.700 Yeah, like they see it as a business, you know, I have a perfect example 17:04.700 --> 17:09.100 Where the like this is an issue just using, you know, the dollar 17:09.900 --> 17:15.180 Having moved from Ireland to the States. I still had money in an Irish account 17:15.180 --> 17:19.920 I still had some bills to pay back home. I was trying to send my myself money 17:19.920 --> 17:24.500 I had to pay like the change currency and then a 17:25.160 --> 17:30.860 Transaction fee to send myself money through the same account like it was ridiculous and 17:31.580 --> 17:35.040 And something like crypto would have alleviated that problem 17:36.940 --> 17:40.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it this extends 17:41.720 --> 17:47.000 Really to every aspect of our lives now that everything is becoming digital. So 17:47.680 --> 17:54.680 There is see so I'm driven by the advocacy of it, right? Because if we don't educate people to really, you know 17:54.680 --> 17:58.440 Embrace these technologies in the way that is most beneficial for them 17:58.440 --> 18:00.840 Then you always have these middlemen 18:00.840 --> 18:07.900 These middlemen these companies this this PayPal this MasterCard and as the longer you have these companies around 18:07.900 --> 18:13.080 The more that it is to their benefit that you are ignorant and that you are 18:14.240 --> 18:15.560 demoralized and feel 18:16.400 --> 18:19.300 Helpless to do anything about this situation 18:19.300 --> 18:26.400 But the reality is is that these technologies are there for all of us to cook and make money in ways that they can't 18:26.400 --> 18:33.740 See that's the thing our business model p2p will always be more profitable for us than 18:33.740 --> 18:39.760 The p to business to p which is what they're always trying to sell you with a second layer 18:39.760 --> 18:44.840 So we we always have the upper hand and we will always have the upper hand 18:44.840 --> 18:49.360 I was just talking to you Alex about this last night. Remember you're having this conversation and 18:50.460 --> 18:54.160 The great conversation at like three in the morning. Yeah, and you were saying 18:54.640 --> 18:59.080 And I was what I was trying to explain to you was like no matter what happened 19:00.940 --> 19:06.620 Let's say, you know, you have BlackRock buying Bitcoin you have, you know, all of these you have Michael Saylor 19:06.620 --> 19:08.020 You have Wall Street buying Bitcoin 19:08.880 --> 19:10.420 They still lack 19:12.000 --> 19:20.340 The the incentive structure within them to fully be to fully embrace these technologies making all they're doing is infusing us with 19:21.160 --> 19:21.720 with 19:23.960 --> 19:25.160 validation and 19:25.160 --> 19:30.120 and capital for us to to just create and so 19:30.120 --> 19:36.860 They won't be able to compete with what the grassroots of crypto native people will be creating 19:37.760 --> 19:41.760 Does that make sense? You guys understand that like and this is like something forever 19:41.760 --> 19:46.340 It's set up that way and I think that was a genius of of these technologies 19:46.340 --> 19:53.980 is that they won't be able to compete with what with the efficiency the speed and and the 19:55.180 --> 20:00.680 The the the privacy and the ownership and the security that you can have 20:00.680 --> 20:05.040 When you interact directly within a blockchain, they'll never be able to compete with that 20:05.620 --> 20:11.880 Although they they're struggling to that's really what's happening. They're struggling to compete to remain relevant 20:11.880 --> 20:18.380 That's the whole thing that's happening with Saylor. That's everything that's happening with the government embracing Bitcoin and crypto 20:18.380 --> 20:24.640 They're just trying to remain relevant relevant, but we live in a moment in time now where what's relevant is 20:25.760 --> 20:29.080 Bitcoin what's relevant is what is done with it with a blockchain 20:29.080 --> 20:34.340 And if you're not on top if you're not at the top of that you're you're no longer relevant 20:34.340 --> 20:40.560 Does that make sense because like any entrepreneur at this moment in time can grab the best of blockchains and create something 20:41.260 --> 20:46.680 Viral that can outcompete master card and visa. I know it sounds crazy to a lot of people listening to this 20:46.680 --> 20:53.240 But that the mechanics are there the the ingredients are there. You just got to create the recipes in and run with them 20:54.360 --> 20:58.400 Dude, I love I love listening to you because it gets me 20:58.980 --> 21:06.780 Every time excited about you know, like just as I ever was and I have been very passionate about crypto 21:06.780 --> 21:12.000 And it's potential to change the world and you're one of those people who you know has champ championed that 21:12.880 --> 21:16.220 loudest and proudest and you know them and in the best but 21:17.480 --> 21:22.600 My issue is still like, you know, we'll get into it more after we watch this air and day interview because I'm sure they're 21:22.600 --> 21:26.000 Gonna get into it and we're gonna want to talk a little bit about some of the stuff that they 21:26.980 --> 21:30.560 You know that it ties all back in but you said the ingredients are all there 21:30.560 --> 21:35.620 and I'm like yes, but arguably the ingredients have been there for like 10 years and 21:36.340 --> 21:41.000 You know the powers that shouldn't be have to done a pretty damn good job of 21:41.580 --> 21:48.120 Keeping, you know those ingredients freakin sugar-coated and poisoned and whatever you want to analogy 21:48.120 --> 21:53.860 So, you know, it's like freakin when dude, I want hyper big quantization tomorrow today 21:54.580 --> 21:59.620 That's exactly their game plan is scared now. They're feeling their whole slipping, you know 22:00.280 --> 22:05.400 Exactly, that's why they're trying to crack down on people like, you know, Roger 22:05.620 --> 22:07.060 and you know because 22:08.040 --> 22:13.010 They're proving that this works, you know, the the leaders on this and 22:13.920 --> 22:18.960 Yeah, they can't have that, you know, the government don't want that happening, you know too many people are listening 22:20.620 --> 22:25.520 Yeah, so before we go into that interview, I do want to ask Rafe a question 22:25.520 --> 22:27.880 Instead of just shouting out the sponsors 22:28.680 --> 22:32.620 I actually don't know what his answer is gonna be. We've never personally 22:33.280 --> 22:36.500 Talked about this coin really it might have come up briefly, but 22:37.400 --> 22:42.920 Sal loves Zano, you might have seen him promoting it as the solution to all the world's problems 22:42.920 --> 22:47.420 That's a you know, quite of a statement. I think I don't know if that's verbatim 22:47.420 --> 22:50.360 But no, it's his favorite coin as he says lately, right? 22:50.540 --> 22:54.460 So shout out to Zano because they they you know support the show 22:55.000 --> 23:01.060 So, you know, it's it's important for shows like this to be supported 23:02.060 --> 23:08.000 But I understand it to be Sal got me to make a wallet. Obviously, we're big privacy coin advocates 23:08.000 --> 23:09.800 So, you know, of course like Monero 23:11.040 --> 23:14.420 You know is is a longtime favorite a classic, but 23:15.360 --> 23:21.280 The coolest, you know, interesting thing of appeal to from when I hear about Zano is like, oh, it's like Monero plus 23:21.280 --> 23:27.420 Ethereum right it's like smart contracts and all that stuff you can like build things with and do tokens and 23:27.420 --> 23:31.120 XYZ, you know, like you can do with Solana and all these other things, but 23:31.620 --> 23:36.760 But it's all privacy privacy by default by default. So, you know, I haven't really dug deep into it 23:36.760 --> 23:43.400 But I'm curious to know Raphael if it's something that your team has explored and what you're 100% 23:43.400 --> 23:46.680 I I got into Zano. We got into Zano 23:48.260 --> 23:50.500 Like two or three years ago I 23:51.220 --> 23:58.700 Interviewed their their top dev who was the only person that still is in conversations with the 23:59.260 --> 24:06.000 Founder of the creator of the crypto note protocol Nicholas von Saber Hagen who gave us Monero essentially 24:06.740 --> 24:07.360 so 24:07.940 --> 24:14.720 Yeah, I we've been following and and and been championing Zano for the longest time 24:14.720 --> 24:19.720 I way before and way before this past year that Zano became really popular 24:20.500 --> 24:25.180 Just go to the crypto vigilante YouTube and you'll see that it's been like over two years 24:25.180 --> 24:33.820 Almost three years that I interviewed them. So, yeah, no, we like Zano. I think I think that this is a very rational 24:34.780 --> 24:38.860 you know step in in crypto history and 24:40.560 --> 24:44.680 It's good to see it's good to see that the privacy 24:45.500 --> 24:50.120 world is expanding beyond just tokens beyond just 24:51.200 --> 24:56.720 Using it as digital cash like pirate chain like Monero, but rather that now we're talking about creating 24:57.980 --> 25:02.900 Having token protocols running on the blockchain. I think that's important. I 25:02.900 --> 25:05.200 Told Sal bro, why don't you make a meme coin because I think 25:05.820 --> 25:09.740 Adam said it like live on the show last week or whatever. He's like I would buy a Sal meme coin 25:09.740 --> 25:14.040 I'm like bro because Sal's been saying you can make tokens and meme coins on Zano 25:14.040 --> 25:17.720 And I'm like why don't I hit him up after the show. I was like, bro, why don't we do it? 25:17.720 --> 25:23.080 He's like nah, I'm like, I know I know I know it's like it's so scammy feeling immediately, right? 25:23.680 --> 25:28.520 But no, there's interesting things that you can do, you know, it's all about you know coming up with utility 25:29.620 --> 25:35.720 Designing something to not be a rug which you know, those are those are hard to find, right? 25:37.260 --> 25:42.340 Yeah, sure is because you know inherently it's just like well, I mean by nature 25:42.340 --> 25:45.400 It's like just buy this thing and sell it later. So there's always users 25:45.400 --> 25:53.880 But hey, that's that's that's what they that's what they want all crypto to seem like like it's just a scam and it's no 25:53.880 --> 25:59.960 Real use don't don't use it. Just use the dollar. Yeah, you know, you're safe with with the dollar 26:00.740 --> 26:04.520 You know, that's that's what they've been saying cozy. Yeah. All right, you guys 26:04.520 --> 26:10.820 Well get cozy because we're about to run this interview. I think now is a good time for us to 26:10.820 --> 26:13.280 kick back and listen to 26:13.280 --> 26:17.360 the conversation that just recently took place between our 26:18.260 --> 26:20.200 host Sal and 26:21.100 --> 26:22.300 Aaron day 26:22.300 --> 26:26.580 Raf you've interviewed Aaron day before while I get this video queued up 26:26.580 --> 26:32.760 Yeah, can you give him a quick little introduction for the audience even though we'll probably see that in the beginning of the interview? 26:33.060 --> 26:37.840 I mean Aaron is a person who has been championing freedom for many years 26:38.900 --> 26:39.980 He's a warrior 26:40.540 --> 26:43.660 That's the best way to put it. He's a warrior and 26:44.660 --> 26:47.140 He was very much involved in 26:48.180 --> 26:50.340 The Bitcoin civil war as well 26:50.340 --> 26:56.540 He was a big blocker and also always a privacy advocate as well. He ran for government 26:57.060 --> 27:01.440 He ran for presidents of the United States actually in this last election 27:01.440 --> 27:05.800 He was a candidate to the to be president of the US 27:05.800 --> 27:11.460 And it was because of him in writing his book on CBT sees that 27:11.460 --> 27:14.720 What's the name of the Indian guy who was very close to Trump? 27:15.800 --> 27:23.280 The back the back he gave the back his book and he taught the back about the dangers of CBT sees and 27:24.100 --> 27:32.540 And that's what really created a platform around Trump for the Trump administration to be against CBT sees so 27:33.700 --> 27:35.180 I think that is 27:35.180 --> 27:40.360 That's very commendable, and I'm really happy. I can't wait to hear this interview damn. That's awesome 27:40.360 --> 27:45.840 I didn't even realize that about Aaron. He is a freaking badass. All right, let's do it. You guys ready? 27:46.400 --> 27:50.280 I'm ready. Let's go. Let's go. Enjoy everybody. Here we go 27:50.920 --> 27:51.820 Let's see 27:56.540 --> 27:57.580 All right 27:57.580 --> 28:02.040 The one lonely and a thank you for coming on man appreciate your time 28:02.040 --> 28:03.260 my pleasure 28:04.160 --> 28:10.140 We have a lot to discuss because there's been a lot of news in the Xano ecosystem 28:11.860 --> 28:13.780 I don't know where to start honestly 28:14.980 --> 28:23.680 Xano X.io is a new sort of project this month that sort of debuted where you can buy gift cards 28:24.740 --> 28:26.980 using Xano and 28:28.540 --> 28:31.720 You know one more step towards retail adoption 28:34.520 --> 28:37.260 You have that WooCommerce plug-in which 28:38.160 --> 28:39.480 looks pretty cool 28:40.940 --> 28:43.300 which sort of fills a gap because 28:44.460 --> 28:46.460 It really wasn't possible to 28:47.340 --> 28:48.360 except Xano 28:49.760 --> 28:52.560 And like an e-commerce setting prior to that now 28:54.320 --> 29:00.320 No, no, there was no way to do it and a lot and in fact a lot of people were waiting for now payments 29:00.940 --> 29:02.700 to integrate Xano which was 29:03.260 --> 29:07.360 Pretty far along the process and then it because of these rules in the EU 29:07.900 --> 29:10.340 They decided to back out a privacy coin 29:10.340 --> 29:18.240 So so this is a way for anybody with you know, we'll come but you know, it's pretty pretty helpful to be able to 29:18.940 --> 29:24.400 Consider like eight million installs of WooCommerce. So hopefully this will help with adoption in a big way 29:25.540 --> 29:26.100 I 29:27.800 --> 29:32.820 Heard of X that's actually news to me. I'm shocked by that 29:33.980 --> 29:38.400 Yeah, is that even launch? Well, it's actually really because actually it's it's just this month 29:39.140 --> 29:42.920 It was it's pretty cool because now you can buy gift cards and stuff which 29:43.720 --> 29:47.560 You know look every you know the WooCommerce plug-in the 29:48.900 --> 29:52.920 It's it sort of sucks in crypto because we've been playing this gift card game forever 29:52.920 --> 29:55.380 But the WooCommerce plug-in 29:56.360 --> 30:01.480 It's sort of one step towards direct retail adoption. There's also the 30:02.260 --> 30:03.160 Freedom dollar 30:03.860 --> 30:10.580 Which is another sort of step in the same direction because now, you know, one of the biggest obstacles for merchants 30:11.120 --> 30:18.380 One of the biggest causes for the reluctance is the volatility of cryptocurrency. So now they're able to convert into freedom dollars, which 30:18.980 --> 30:20.500 you know, it's not 30:21.580 --> 30:23.340 personally, I've always felt that a 30:24.420 --> 30:29.300 Coin whose value is tied to the whims of a central bank or is by definition unstable 30:29.300 --> 30:33.540 But you know, I understand a lot of merchants want to hold dollars 30:34.900 --> 30:38.920 So, you know, it's just fill the hole in the in the in the market 30:40.360 --> 30:46.340 Well, yeah, a lot of merchants. I mean, this is why I'm doing the goldback token as well. They actually want to move away 30:47.280 --> 30:48.700 From fiat all together 30:48.700 --> 30:54.300 But I think an algorithmic stablecoin is it's gonna be good to have a wide range of options 30:54.300 --> 30:57.680 Right thing for people. No doubt. No, I'm with you though 30:57.680 --> 31:04.760 I think the the the goldback stablecoin is is better the only trouble that you know, you can be run into and something like that is 31:05.440 --> 31:06.100 there's the 31:06.740 --> 31:10.820 Time-tested issue with gold has always been confiscability. You know, I mean, so 31:12.840 --> 31:16.600 You know, it's there's gives and takes no matter what no matter which way you go 31:16.600 --> 31:21.700 But that's the thing no matter what the state does we will be there with an alternative option 31:23.500 --> 31:29.060 You know if the merchants want stablecoins and dollars we have that and if not they can have it in gold, you know 31:30.300 --> 31:33.380 Yeah, we're gonna need to have you know multiple versions of these things 31:33.380 --> 31:36.580 but I thought it was great that that the stablecoin launched and 31:36.580 --> 31:38.140 You know, I was giving it away 31:39.000 --> 31:44.000 And and I will integrate it to one of the other things as I'm building a point of sale system 31:44.000 --> 31:51.020 So the the plug-in was just one piece of it the other but we're missing point of sale systems entirely for 31:51.020 --> 31:56.580 Crypto, I mean bit bit pay was captured so they don't do anything related to privacy and 31:57.500 --> 32:02.420 This has happened with all of the other point of sale systems or they've been run out by the feds 32:02.420 --> 32:04.360 Which is what happened with with any pay 32:04.360 --> 32:12.160 So we actually do not have an easy to use point of sale system that accepts multiple privacy coins right now 32:12.160 --> 32:17.080 There isn't so I know and if you're trying to yeah, and if you're trying to onboard new merchants 32:17.080 --> 32:21.780 This is actually my hang-up for launching the gold back token because I viewed 32:22.500 --> 32:25.240 It's basically a swapping function where you know 32:25.240 --> 32:27.660 The merchant wants to be able to take multiple cryptocurrencies 32:27.660 --> 32:32.240 But they only want to be paid and you know the gold token or more say as a stablecoin 32:32.240 --> 32:38.900 And so I was really planning on using one of the existing point of sale systems and a swapping service to use that to 32:38.900 --> 32:44.420 Get the coin into circulation and when now payments fell through I realized well in order for this to really work 32:44.420 --> 32:51.320 I'm just gonna have to build a point of sale system. I didn't it wasn't my intention to have to build one. I mean along 32:52.240 --> 32:54.660 all I want to do is promote these things and 32:55.520 --> 33:00.620 Successful in the marketplace. So the only time I would build something is if no one else is building it and it's absolutely necessary 33:01.980 --> 33:07.700 So that's kind of where I fell out on well the freedom dollar FUSD is 33:08.460 --> 33:10.980 To my knowledge, it's the it's the first 33:13.340 --> 33:13.820 I 33:13.820 --> 33:18.580 Privacy-backed stable I don't know are there other stable coins that are run on privacy chains. I don't think there are 33:19.460 --> 33:24.980 Not that I'm aware of and and certainly not I mean the great thing about this is you can even though 33:24.980 --> 33:29.320 It's a privacy coin. You can actually see because it's using audible watch. You can actually see 33:30.080 --> 33:35.740 What's backing that you can see the circulation of the coin itself and you can see what's actually backing it 33:35.740 --> 33:38.180 So it's it has a lot of remarkable 33:38.980 --> 33:39.460 bursts 33:39.980 --> 33:44.360 With it and so it's actually yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the first yeah 33:44.360 --> 33:47.460 And and a lot of people are not gonna want to wade into this 33:47.460 --> 33:51.000 I mean you would you need to do it in this kind of an algorithmic 33:51.000 --> 33:55.800 Fashion because the government is targeting algorithmic stable coins 33:56.580 --> 34:02.120 Specifically in fact, there's a stable bill and a genius bill going through Congress right now 34:03.040 --> 34:10.200 Both don't are anti stable coins, but the stable bill in particular puts a two-year moratorium makes any 34:10.200 --> 34:16.880 Stable coins illegal for two years. So they are going after it. It's not just privacy stable coins 34:16.880 --> 34:21.040 They're going after any stable. You know, like other people quite 34:21.760 --> 34:24.620 Well, they're so there are carve-outs 34:24.620 --> 34:31.260 So my opinion on this is that the whole purpose of the legislation is 34:31.260 --> 34:33.600 to structure a situation where 34:34.140 --> 34:40.460 Basically JP Morgan or somebody has to large has to buy tether and somebody has to buy circle and that's a large 34:40.460 --> 34:47.080 Fed federally regulated financial institution because that's what they put in there in terms of the barriers 34:47.080 --> 34:51.300 You have to be this kind of institution. You have to be subject to these kinds of audit requirements 34:51.300 --> 34:52.700 So on and so forth. So I think 34:52.700 --> 35:00.380 My whole point of the whole time is that stable coins are backdoor CBDCs and they're using this legislation to basically corral 35:01.220 --> 35:06.460 USDC and tether into large financial institutions and now so unfortunately 35:06.460 --> 35:10.300 I'm getting really pissed off seeing everybody celebrate 35:10.860 --> 35:16.780 That oh, there's gonna be 330 billion dollars of liquidity and everything else. It's like you're cheering on CBDCs 35:16.780 --> 35:18.340 Europe is looking to launch 35:18.960 --> 35:23.120 The EU is looking to launch a CBDC in October of this year 35:23.120 --> 35:29.860 Well, this basically is just now it's an arms race as to who can get there sooner and basically the Trump administration is saying 35:29.860 --> 35:35.660 Well, our CBDC will be there faster because we're basically going to co-opt the existing 35:36.410 --> 35:43.060 You know stable coins that already have momentum and use in the marketplace and so people are cheering this like it's some kind of freedom play 35:43.060 --> 35:49.920 And it's not a freedom play all CBDCs are now accelerating in development. And so it's it's not a great situation 35:49.920 --> 35:51.060 So having a privacy 35:51.700 --> 35:53.820 stable coin alternative is 35:54.540 --> 36:02.300 Exactly what we need and hopefully people will understand this sooner rather than later and start moving into it instead of you know 36:02.300 --> 36:04.420 thinking that's you know tether or 36:05.360 --> 36:10.800 USDC are safe because they're not I mean these coins get seized and frozen all of the time 36:10.800 --> 36:16.080 So these are not viable alternative. You need something that sent that's actually 36:16.820 --> 36:21.980 Resistant and private so this to my knowledge is f USD is the only only game in town 36:21.980 --> 36:25.700 So that you essentially guys you're not going to have a choice 36:25.700 --> 36:28.620 But to move into into f USD because 36:29.200 --> 36:32.880 They're co-opting as Aaron just said these these existing stable coins 36:32.880 --> 36:37.520 And you know Rothbard said that when they when they sort of heavily regulate 36:39.000 --> 36:43.340 In industry, let's call it stable coins of it for the for the sake of a conversation 36:43.340 --> 36:48.320 What they essentially do is they cartelize the market by creating these barriers to entry 36:48.320 --> 36:53.000 So it only a handful of players are able to you know access 36:53.800 --> 37:00.840 Market share which I guess you know in this case would be whatever tether circle and you know, maybe one or two others, but 37:01.440 --> 37:02.400 They're essentially 37:03.000 --> 37:04.460 cartilizing the stable coin market 37:06.700 --> 37:08.200 Which you know 37:09.320 --> 37:14.580 Of course like the freedom dollar can bypass that but what it can't bypass is the 37:15.380 --> 37:17.820 devaluation of the dollar and 37:18.840 --> 37:21.900 That's you know only something like only something like a gold back stable coin 37:22.880 --> 37:28.660 You know I or something along those lines swing based on a market commodity rather than fiat 37:29.240 --> 37:31.500 Currency can provide, you know 37:32.260 --> 37:33.880 Complete protection from the state 37:35.100 --> 37:39.560 Yeah, I mean that's true. Although from my perspective, I mean I like playing around with a stable coin 37:39.560 --> 37:44.640 But I think I think Zeno is gonna do pretty well. So I don't even want to write it 37:44.640 --> 37:46.920 I like where Zeno is going anyway 37:46.920 --> 37:50.460 So I don't want to hold anything in stables anyway, but hey 37:51.280 --> 37:55.620 But that's just a soul opinion. I'm with you a hundred percent 37:55.620 --> 38:00.820 I'd rather go with the value of Zeno than the value of obviously the USD 38:00.820 --> 38:04.220 But even I think Zeno will be probably even do better than gold in the in the future 38:06.680 --> 38:11.940 Other moves real quick ascend EX has now listed Zeno you can 38:12.680 --> 38:15.580 Withdraw without having to access KYC 38:16.920 --> 38:18.400 Same thing on trade ogre 38:20.800 --> 38:24.160 So that is another development in the Zeno ecosystem 38:25.240 --> 38:30.060 I saw your screen back there. You had the confidential layer 38:32.500 --> 38:34.940 Yeah, what is what is clone? 38:37.480 --> 38:39.400 Clone is a token for 38:40.040 --> 38:44.940 Confidential layer. I honestly don't know much about it. I don't I don't hold any of it 38:44.940 --> 38:47.120 So I'm not gonna be 38:47.800 --> 38:51.720 Well-versed in speaking about that, but I but I know that the way 38:52.500 --> 39:00.260 Confidential layer works is they're like 60 or something nodes. So nobody holds, you know, any any private key when you're when you're essentially 39:01.360 --> 39:07.580 Locking your Bitcoin or whatever the other coin is and I think that this coin is just used to incentivize 39:08.640 --> 39:13.360 People in the ecosystem for actually doing the bridging, but I couldn't speak to any of the 39:14.140 --> 39:20.160 Mechanics of it or economics of it at all, right, right? So there's clone and there's bridge and I'm not entirely certain either 39:20.900 --> 39:24.040 I know that there's a clone airdrop on 39:24.880 --> 39:28.340 May 13th. I blew it or something like that and that's 39:28.900 --> 39:32.260 Your last chance to get involved. I think if you go to the Zeno 39:33.000 --> 39:38.320 X account they will have more information about bridge where I think if you complete a certain number of tasks and 39:39.060 --> 39:41.400 I'll throw I'll make sure it's in the show notes for this episode guys 39:41.400 --> 39:45.260 But if you complete a certain number of tasks by a certain date 39:46.280 --> 39:49.340 You qualify for X amount of like an airdrop 39:50.160 --> 39:51.700 from bridge so 39:54.060 --> 39:59.840 Yeah, lots going on did I miss anything any other news and Zeno that I should know that was Zeno Bay 40:00.420 --> 40:02.440 Oh, yes, how do I miss that one? 40:03.460 --> 40:06.120 So that so that's a good one. So now we have a 40:06.120 --> 40:08.900 Huge that that is huge 40:08.900 --> 40:15.060 So I I put my book up there and that's going to be a great opportunity and way for people to do trade 40:15.060 --> 40:22.160 You know, it's kind of silk road except on Zeno, but exactly, you know, illegal products. So that so that launched 40:23.280 --> 40:26.820 And I think that that's great because I with with all of these things 40:26.820 --> 40:27.960 Well, you know once you have 40:27.960 --> 40:34.040 You're either FUSD or you have your bridged Bitcoin or whatever in the confidential layer 40:34.040 --> 40:37.080 You're still going to need places to be able to spend those things 40:37.080 --> 40:43.140 So between a marketplace and a point-of-sale system and then getting these plugins working with, you know 40:43.140 --> 40:44.200 WooCommerce and everything else 40:44.200 --> 40:50.440 Hopefully we can start to create an ecosystem where people are gonna have to spend less time dealing with any kind of 40:50.440 --> 40:55.560 Exchange and people can just start to begin to trade amongst themselves nearly various 40:56.340 --> 41:00.640 Mechanisms and that's what I'm the most excited about because right now. I'm giving a talk in Amsterdam 41:00.640 --> 41:06.200 I actually somehow I'm giving two talks on two panels and so one of them. I'm gonna actually be highlighting 41:07.320 --> 41:12.700 These Zeno developments and so I'm glad you told me about Zeno X because I gotta put that in the presentation now 41:12.700 --> 41:16.940 And actually want to play around with it. This is really exciting because I actually I've been using Monero 41:19.080 --> 41:22.660 With cake pay that that's that's how I've been buying gift certificates 41:22.660 --> 41:26.080 But now that I see this if I can if I can actually buy these gift certificates 41:26.080 --> 41:29.580 I'm seeing this there's a lot of overlap here 41:29.580 --> 41:31.700 So like so Uber Eats. So I'm going to 41:32.540 --> 41:36.920 Would be in Amsterdam that Uber Eats. So I'm gonna I'm gonna check this out. I'm gonna buy it 41:36.920 --> 41:43.140 I'm gonna buy a new gift certificate with Zeno. This is this is perfect. This is I'm very excited about this and 41:44.280 --> 41:50.380 Yeah, I will be at the same conference. This will be our our last zoom meeting before we meet in person 41:50.380 --> 41:56.320 And I'm I think I'm speaking about crypto anarchism and agorism and also on a panel 41:57.640 --> 42:03.720 With you and Joelle about Roger's case and as well 42:04.260 --> 42:07.280 I think I'm on another panel now about like cypher punk 42:08.520 --> 42:10.360 Cypher punk some privacy so 42:11.340 --> 42:17.560 If you're in Amsterdam guys, we're gonna be there ETH damn May 9th through 11th, it's gonna be a good time 42:18.400 --> 42:23.220 We'll have to you know get dinner or something man. It's about time. We meet face-to-face, you know 42:24.640 --> 42:30.680 Yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to I'm gonna be I'm still fasting. So I'm not breaking my fast till 42:30.680 --> 42:37.740 One thing in the morning technically on May 10th. So so okay, I'm I'm looking 42:38.780 --> 42:44.740 I'm looking forward to that by the way. This is it's getting a little old now on day 37. So 42:45.660 --> 42:47.160 Tell me about 42:47.160 --> 42:51.700 You're doing a 40-day fast rate of tension for Roger beer's case 42:52.360 --> 42:55.620 And you haven't eaten anything in how long? 42:57.760 --> 43:00.420 37 days my god, man, I 43:01.900 --> 43:06.880 Give you credit. How does it feel? How are you feeling? I 43:06.880 --> 43:08.260 Mean the first 21 days are actually good 43:08.260 --> 43:12.600 I actually had a period of time for like a week where I got six months worth of work done the last 43:12.600 --> 43:15.120 Week has actually been kind of hellish 43:16.160 --> 43:20.780 And usually when you're fasting once you are fully in ketosis and everything you're not hungry 43:20.780 --> 43:25.740 But actually yesterday started yesterday. I'm actually hungry. So that's a that's a different 43:26.700 --> 43:29.180 component to it. So that's I'm not sure why that's 43:29.880 --> 43:34.760 Why that's happening because I should I shouldn't be hungry. I should be fully still in ketosis 43:34.760 --> 43:39.740 But my I feel like my IQ is down by 30 points. So I'm looking forward to 43:40.260 --> 43:43.840 Actually refeeding because at this point, I'm not I'm not productive 43:43.840 --> 43:47.900 Like if I I'm working on this point of cell system if I can do 10 minutes worth of work 43:47.900 --> 43:54.780 Then I have to stop like lay down for a while. So I I we're at the point past diminishing returns and 43:55.460 --> 43:58.820 you know, I definitely want to hit the hit the milestone and and 43:58.820 --> 44:03.820 And it will bring I actually have a whole bunch of interviews lined up and I've actually told people I'm doing this one 44:03.820 --> 44:09.680 But I've actually stopped doing other interviews just because you know, I have the my normal energy level 44:09.680 --> 44:11.860 So, you know, man, we appreciate that 44:12.720 --> 44:21.540 So it's so sad so that's Saturday the 10th is it was your last day. Well, it's actually it's 1 30 in the morning. Okay, so 44:25.060 --> 44:25.500 So 44:26.600 --> 44:30.380 Like I'm like I'm actually at the point where right now I'm figuring out how to buy girl 44:30.380 --> 44:36.780 I got an apartment hotel thing and because you have to be really careful when you refeed if you eat like if 44:36.780 --> 44:42.080 Why don't eat sugar anyway? But if I if I eat sugar breaking it fast, you could die if you actually don't refeed properly 44:42.080 --> 44:46.700 It's bad news. So I'm like, I've got an apartment. I've got a stove. I'm like ordering 44:46.700 --> 44:52.180 I'm putting, you know bone broth and a whole bunch of other stuff in my shopping cart so that I can have it delivered 44:52.180 --> 44:55.560 And and I may do a I may go live when 44:56.040 --> 44:59.440 Oh, yeah, fast. I don't know that would be cool. I haven't 45:01.040 --> 45:05.560 So that would be one 30 or that'll so that'll be Saturday morning 45:05.560 --> 45:06.860 in Amsterdam 45:08.060 --> 45:09.520 In Amsterdam, okay 45:10.080 --> 45:16.580 Okay, and why so you you you make yourself a meal and then it's back to regular eating or it takes you a little while to get into 45:16.580 --> 45:20.540 Your normal diet, whatever you were eating previously 45:22.180 --> 45:25.880 Well, I mean, I'll change up my diet, but it's it's it'll probably take two days 45:25.880 --> 45:31.380 it's gonna be you know bone broth with vegetables and then maybe I'll and sauerkraut to 45:32.640 --> 45:36.780 Repopulate gut bacteria. I'll do that for a day or so then maybe introduce eggs 45:36.780 --> 45:41.360 But probably by day two or so I I'll be ready to get a meal an actual 45:42.260 --> 45:47.360 Reasonable meal offer stands. Maybe, you know, maybe Monday morning or Sunday night 45:47.360 --> 45:50.420 I can I can buy a dinner or breakfast or whatever you're feeling up to it 45:50.420 --> 45:56.060 But I commend you for the fast. You're like, I'm telling you like the modern-day Gandhi. That's really what it is 45:56.060 --> 45:58.400 That's what Gandhi did to draw attention to 45:59.160 --> 46:02.640 The maltreatment of the British and that's what you're doing for the world in the crypto 46:02.640 --> 46:05.400 So as far as I'm concerned you're a hero for doing it 46:06.100 --> 46:09.540 Well, I appreciate that. I just I just hope it works. It's I you know, it's 46:09.540 --> 46:14.740 Reading to me. I honestly thought that Roger would have his thing resolved before this fast was done 46:14.740 --> 46:19.200 So the fact that it's still going on and that's now it's pushed out to like 46:19.200 --> 46:25.340 June the 23rd is hearing and everything. It's just I whatever I it's hard to try to raise awareness 46:25.340 --> 46:33.920 There's so much noise going on everywhere about just random crap and the stuff that actually gets attention is not in my opinion 46:33.920 --> 46:39.780 At least important, but but what what does draw all the noise is is all of this other stuff 46:39.780 --> 46:42.760 And so how do you take a situation like Rogers? 46:42.980 --> 46:47.500 Which is somewhat complex and actually get people to focus attention on it 46:47.500 --> 46:52.900 So I hope this would do something but I mean, you know, whether it does or whether it doesn't we still need to 46:52.900 --> 46:57.540 Keep up the pressure because I don't know how we can bond he's got a lot of stuff on her desk 46:57.540 --> 46:59.020 None of it seems to be going anywhere 46:59.020 --> 47:03.540 I don't know how we get this to the top of the pile so that you know something actually happens 47:03.540 --> 47:05.980 And bondy is useless as tits on a bowl 47:06.600 --> 47:11.580 You know, she she can't she's been sitting on a list of pedophiles for eight for you know 47:11.580 --> 47:14.320 I don't even know how long at this point weeks more than a month 47:14.320 --> 47:20.300 So useless as far as I'm concerned, but yeah, Roger's case got postponed until the 23rd of June guys 47:20.300 --> 47:24.660 That's in LA if you can be there should be there to show up 47:25.640 --> 47:30.600 If you're available, we want to put we want to put as much pressure on these people as possible 47:30.600 --> 47:33.580 Of course free Roger now.org to sign the petition 47:34.800 --> 47:37.760 Yeah, I was also hoping that this was gonna get resolved by now 47:38.480 --> 47:41.740 I'm still confident though that this will be thrown out 47:42.240 --> 47:43.200 before long 47:44.140 --> 47:47.740 Yeah, no, I am confident to I should say it's it's the you know 47:47.740 --> 47:55.240 How much more of his life are they going to really the way and and and halt with this right? I mean 47:56.280 --> 48:02.040 You know, there's a lot of other things seem to be going faster a lot of other crypto things have been have been resolved 48:02.040 --> 48:04.520 And so, you know, I I'm optimistic overall 48:04.520 --> 48:10.200 It's just that the sooner the better because yeah, we need we need Roger back and Roger needs life back 48:10.200 --> 48:13.700 Yeah, no doubt about it, you know every day 48:13.700 --> 48:16.380 He's occupied with the purse his own persecutions 48:16.380 --> 48:22.960 It is a moment that he can't spend, you know building the tools that we need, you know for financial sovereignty 48:22.960 --> 48:25.400 Which is what he's he's good at so 48:26.160 --> 48:29.120 Yeah, you know fingers crossed the deck has taken care of soon 48:30.900 --> 48:34.000 What else here that's basically all I had to go over with you man 48:34.620 --> 48:37.200 Is there anything you want to throw in here before we wrap it up? 48:40.140 --> 48:46.180 No, just that I you know, I recommend that people really look into Zeno and start and start using it 48:46.180 --> 48:49.200 I mean, it's not even so much about buying it as it is, you know 48:49.700 --> 48:54.320 Download a wallet and and start playing around with it start playing around with these tools, you know 48:54.320 --> 48:58.920 Zeno Bay and and just use the wallet itself and but you know create an asset 48:58.920 --> 49:02.560 it's really easy to do it's it's inexpensive and 49:03.120 --> 49:08.480 You know get out of these existing systems and centralized exchanges and everything else because 49:08.480 --> 49:13.840 We do not have a lot of time like I people, you know when I started doing all this stuff 49:14.440 --> 49:21.380 People were worried about the election happen and now people in place not realizing that CVDCs are not coming faster 49:21.380 --> 49:27.040 They're gonna try to pass the stable genius bill in the Senate like this week 49:27.040 --> 49:31.840 I think and so we're gonna have this stablecoin legislation probably by August or September 49:31.840 --> 49:38.420 Which means that's a backdoor CVDC and the EU are trying to ban privacy coins 49:39.000 --> 49:43.060 So, I mean the writing is on the wall here. So now we have to really focus on 49:45.360 --> 49:49.760 Is this gonna go up and I'm gonna buy this and sit on it and hope it goes up 49:49.760 --> 49:55.500 This is about we need to start using these tools to to engage in day-to-day trade 49:55.500 --> 49:58.660 Completely outside of the system completely in a way that can't be tracked 49:58.660 --> 50:01.380 And so like it's it's not something to wait on 50:01.960 --> 50:05.120 Tools are now there the tools are now there to do this 50:05.120 --> 50:09.520 We have all the building blocks in place, which is we have had when I first started 50:10.260 --> 50:13.160 Working with Zeno and and playing around with it 50:13.160 --> 50:16.780 I mean they just had the mobile wallet and you could create a token 50:16.780 --> 50:20.300 But that wasn't even fully working right with everything else and that was just a year ago 50:20.300 --> 50:22.540 And in a year all of these things have happened 50:22.540 --> 50:28.180 We have all these wallets bitcoin.com and take and all of these new tools 50:28.180 --> 50:32.020 And so so this is actually stuff that is live and functioning 50:32.020 --> 50:35.820 So now it's now it's up to us to figure out how to use it and get adoption going 50:35.820 --> 50:43.060 So I don't see sort of mean that I posted of Tankman at the Tiananmen Square with the CVDCs versus Zeno 50:43.060 --> 50:45.120 But that means it pretty well 50:46.600 --> 50:51.460 I'll put I'll make sure we showed on the air for you guys when Aaron and I wrap up but actually 50:52.120 --> 51:00.080 The the mobile wallet has so many features in it and a lot of these features are now being transferred to the desktop version 51:01.740 --> 51:09.100 Iconic swaps where you can you can swap I can trade you directly P2P from the from the wallet 51:09.100 --> 51:13.780 I don't know if it's Zeno only or if I can trade Zeno for something else 51:13.780 --> 51:19.060 But you can do P2P iconic swaps. There is an encrypted messenger service 51:19.060 --> 51:24.860 Built in to the wallet app as well as a decentralized exchange 51:26.200 --> 51:28.220 I mean you name it 51:28.780 --> 51:33.180 It's a very versatile wallet and a lot of those features are now moving to desktop 51:33.180 --> 51:37.780 It's a matter of time till other wallets expand and adopt the same ones 51:38.800 --> 51:43.120 Very useful old shit ton of utility for 51:43.940 --> 51:45.940 Libertarians and agorists to use 51:46.500 --> 51:47.960 this is the 51:49.740 --> 51:52.260 Probably the most effective tool in our arsenal at this point 51:53.880 --> 51:54.240 Zeno 51:55.660 --> 52:02.460 Yep, I would say hands down one other thing we forgot. There's also an NF private and NFT platform called obscura. Yes 52:03.300 --> 52:06.540 So there's so there's what yeah, we're gonna have to like now now 52:06.540 --> 52:10.520 I mean now we got to keep a running list of this. I mean before it was okay 52:10.520 --> 52:14.480 Well, we this and one or two things and now now it's like, okay, I'm gonna have to actually 52:15.340 --> 52:18.040 Keep tabs on this there's so many so many different things 52:18.040 --> 52:23.600 But to be able to have private NFTs which you can you know, you can use that for gaining entry to events 52:23.600 --> 52:27.120 And there's a lot of things. It's not just you know, here's all kinds of stuff 52:27.120 --> 52:29.580 Gifts that we're gonna, you know 52:30.340 --> 52:34.200 Token eyes and trade. There's actually a lot of interesting applications 52:35.200 --> 52:40.200 And things that you can do with these in a private NFT. So that's just another thing that's launched as well 52:40.200 --> 52:43.620 One of the things that I have one of the ideas I've kicked around for a while 52:43.620 --> 52:48.640 But I could never find an appropriate blockchain for is I 52:49.560 --> 52:51.840 Wasn't this idea like a Dow where? 52:52.940 --> 52:54.800 You know, it's sort of 52:54.800 --> 53:01.020 Based on providing bail relief to agorists which would essentially lower the risk 53:01.020 --> 53:04.020 Calculation for people engaging in counter-economic activity 53:04.020 --> 53:10.140 So if they knew their bail was going to be covered more and more people would be likely to step outside the system 53:10.140 --> 53:13.040 so my idea was let's create a Dow and 53:13.980 --> 53:16.860 You know Ian Freeman gets in trouble for some nonsense 53:17.380 --> 53:21.000 Then we could fund his bail we could fund, you know 53:21.000 --> 53:25.540 His his legal team stuff like that and only token holders would get to vote on that 53:25.540 --> 53:30.040 But I haven't been able to find a blockchain that would that I thought was sufficient 53:30.580 --> 53:35.120 But I think Zeno sort of checks all of the boxes here. So 53:36.220 --> 53:37.460 You know, just another 53:38.240 --> 53:43.060 There's just so much so many so much so much room to grow here guys that 53:43.560 --> 53:50.060 You know, if you're a developer or if you are just an agorist a cypher punk a crypto anarchist. This is the chain 53:51.260 --> 53:55.080 This is the chain to get involved with it's you know late last time we were speaking 53:55.080 --> 53:58.780 I had mentioned that Zeno makes me feel like the old days of crypto again 53:59.580 --> 54:04.740 And it really does it really does I feel like it's 2013 in Bitcoin all over again, you know 54:05.680 --> 54:12.340 Same exactly exactly the same. I say I haven't had this amount of energy and enthusiasm and 54:13.680 --> 54:19.400 And even more applications because it's not just because we're it's not even just here's an alternative 54:20.420 --> 54:26.000 Monetary system. It's it's the ability to tokenize all of the other non monetary assets in a way 54:26.000 --> 54:28.980 It's almost a bit of a bigger opportunity and more exciting 54:28.980 --> 54:34.040 I just hope we can get people to understand the sense of urgency around it because 54:34.660 --> 54:39.400 Because we are facing on the other hand people that are now cheering on these centralized 54:40.120 --> 54:43.120 organizations and a lot of these are Liberty people and 54:43.860 --> 54:46.260 That that's the and I'm sure 54:46.780 --> 54:50.840 Some of it is out of just financial self-interest and looking at the fiat gains 54:50.840 --> 54:54.160 And a lot of it's just out of ignorance a lot of it is that there's a lot of like 54:54.160 --> 54:55.860 I was at a free state event and people are 54:56.720 --> 55:02.140 Everybody's excited today about the fact that New Hampshire just passed the Bitcoin strategic reserve for new for New Hampshire 55:02.140 --> 55:06.160 And I you know, I'm just like yeah, I don't know how we I don't know how we got here 55:06.160 --> 55:12.160 I was I I'm at Liberty Forum the event where Roger introduced a lot of these people to Bitcoin 55:12.660 --> 55:16.860 To begin with and they're having talks about a Bitcoin strategic reserve 55:16.860 --> 55:22.020 So the people so Ian who introduced Roger to Bitcoin and Roger introduced everybody else to Bitcoin 55:22.740 --> 55:27.180 Ian's in prison Roger's facing a hundred nine years and these guys are celebrating as a big win 55:27.180 --> 55:34.140 The fact that we're using civil asset forfeiture and wanting to use taxpayer theft at the national level and at the state level to 55:34.140 --> 55:39.020 Pump their surveillance Bitcoin bags. It's very frustrating. Yeah 55:39.680 --> 55:44.040 Yeah, and you know, a lot of this this shit with the maxis are celebrating like, you know 55:44.040 --> 55:51.340 The whole thing it's just you know, it's again the state will try to co-opt every movement that that it can 55:51.340 --> 55:54.420 Any movement that it uses a threat it will try to co-opt 55:55.420 --> 55:59.720 But we will continue advancing and that's the thing about Zeno is that it's sort of 56:00.660 --> 56:04.580 It's the culmination of our efforts to put to guard against that 56:05.140 --> 56:07.300 But you know, you talk about the sense of urgency 56:07.300 --> 56:12.160 Once they pass those stablecoin bills and people realize that tether 56:12.960 --> 56:14.900 you know and all those other, you know 56:15.640 --> 56:16.520 coins are 56:16.520 --> 56:16.860 Or 56:18.220 --> 56:24.940 Sort of just tools of the financial industrial complex then you're gonna see a sort of flood into 56:25.760 --> 56:30.440 Privacy coins. This is I'm telling you right now. The only thing I'm putting money into at this point is 56:31.240 --> 56:36.000 Basically Zeno, but I have a privacy coins in general privacy technology in general 56:36.560 --> 56:37.760 because I expect 56:38.680 --> 56:44.380 The war on crypto to ramp up and CBDCs are just a part of that people think Trump is, you know 56:45.480 --> 56:52.560 Great for crypto we I did a space with Joel and Dash about, you know, what's how do we grade Trump's performance on crypto? 56:52.760 --> 56:56.040 And there was a I was in the minority that was like me and Kurt 56:56.800 --> 57:00.580 Wuckert who said that he was bad for crypto everybody else thought he was great 57:01.500 --> 57:06.880 So once he puts out the CBDCs, we'll see if their opinions change, you know 57:08.280 --> 57:11.620 Yeah, no, I mean he's been he's been he has been bad. I wish 57:12.460 --> 57:14.780 You know that that's the kind of conversation I 57:15.720 --> 57:21.140 This is that thing that you all yeah, I couldn't make it for that guy was just sometimes I'm feeling so tired on this fast, but 57:22.580 --> 57:29.200 Yeah, no he's been horrible for it, right? So what's legal mean coins are illegal, but you still can't buy tokens or equity using 57:29.200 --> 57:30.100 I can't use 57:30.980 --> 57:37.680 You keep security tokens without all this onerous stuff all and people have to read the stable and genius bills 57:37.680 --> 57:41.180 If you don't want to read it just throw it through AI. It's all KYC AML 57:45.080 --> 57:48.080 Tracking and and anti-money laundering and stuff. So there's 57:48.880 --> 57:56.640 Like what so what is the win? I mean that people are are trying to use the state to buy Bitcoin that Trump himself 57:57.060 --> 57:58.980 Is launched meme coins or this world 58:01.980 --> 58:05.620 People should be able to do whatever they want, but there is a certain degree where if you are president 58:05.620 --> 58:11.600 You're using you know your platform and you know taxpayer money to promote your scam project 58:11.600 --> 58:19.480 That's probably not a great great example to be leading with and there are people buying into this the world financial thing is a scam 58:19.480 --> 58:22.560 I mean these things are you know, they're pathetic projects 58:22.560 --> 58:26.980 I mean you might as well have you know Jake Paul or whoever some of these other influences are pushing 58:26.980 --> 58:34.720 The hot to it's it's it's it's actually worse. I would say it's the same except it's worse because it's actually in a bigger scale 58:35.620 --> 58:41.440 And it's completely protected. There's there's no accountability for it whatsoever. And so people are being duped 58:41.440 --> 58:46.000 Into meme coins. So this is one of the things that I want to say is you know 58:46.700 --> 58:51.440 People are celebrating well stable coins are about adoption or these meme coins are about adoption 58:51.440 --> 58:56.980 Well the adoption of what the adoption of Ponzi schemes the adoption of of of surveillance 58:57.620 --> 58:57.880 currency 58:58.780 --> 59:03.420 That's not adoption, right? You can't say well people are doing the thing that's 180 degrees 59:03.980 --> 59:08.840 Away from the thing that we're trying to do but at least they're doing the absolute wrong thing. That means there's adoption 59:08.840 --> 59:10.240 That's a ridiculous argument 59:10.240 --> 59:12.740 And this is the argument that people seem to be making over and over again 59:12.740 --> 59:15.580 We need to be adopting the things that actually 59:15.580 --> 59:22.040 Promote freedom and promote privacy and these other things are not substitutes for it or even entre points to 59:22.040 --> 59:24.180 You know, you're not going to go from buying 59:24.780 --> 59:30.400 Melania coin to moving into zeno. That's not like an adoption path. And so 59:30.400 --> 59:35.560 Different people though to the people buying Melania coin are just trying to get rich quick 59:35.560 --> 59:43.560 The people in zeno are the ones actually trying to change the world and use tools to create freedom in their own lives 59:44.400 --> 59:48.540 So, you know, it's like, you know, like you said last time hill trump will 59:49.780 --> 59:54.700 Let the hot tool girl run pull all of her, you know, instagram followers 59:55.260 --> 01:00:02.880 But Ian Freeman and Roger veer get persecuted. You know what I mean? So how how how benevolent is he in regards to cryptocurrency? 01:00:03.560 --> 01:00:05.540 I would say none whatsoever 01:00:05.540 --> 01:00:08.800 Even even if your goal is to pump bags 01:00:09.580 --> 01:00:12.640 He's been bad for that as well, right crypto's been down. So 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:17.380 Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm it's it's the point has never been 01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:21.620 Let's try to get, you know, the state to acquiesce to our 01:00:23.080 --> 01:00:24.040 financial tools 01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:29.440 The point has always been to create financial tools that the state cannot acquiesce to 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.580 Like the idea is not to get them on board 01:00:31.580 --> 01:00:35.720 But to shove them off the side of the boat, right? That's the whole point of what we're doing here 01:00:35.720 --> 01:00:38.480 Like I think a lot of people lose focus when they see 01:00:39.120 --> 01:00:41.420 Their their wallet weighs up, you know 01:00:42.040 --> 01:00:47.860 5% or 10% or something like that they sort of get excited and they forget about the the original point 01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:50.200 Of what we're doing here. So 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.560 What's not lose focus is the only thing I'm trying to say here 01:00:54.100 --> 01:00:54.920 um, yep 01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:58.780 All right, man, let's wrap it up. We've got about five minutes left 01:00:58.780 --> 01:01:04.660 But uh, if there's anything you want to promote or tell anybody about by the way, we're real quick. You're on day 37 01:01:06.420 --> 01:01:10.260 Yeah, okay. So when this airs, we're talking on tuesday tomorrow 01:01:10.260 --> 01:01:15.600 You actually when the audience is watching this guys, you'll it'll actually be on day 38 of the fast 01:01:16.560 --> 01:01:17.000 um 01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:21.380 Again, literally the modern day Gandhi of our time 01:01:21.900 --> 01:01:25.360 Aaron day, I I appreciate you man. What do you want to tell them about? 01:01:27.160 --> 01:01:31.320 Um, not nothing I nothing other than, you know, what we've what we've already talked about 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:37.580 I mean, I I'm at daylight freedom.org you can you can check that out and I have information there about cbdc 01:01:37.580 --> 01:01:39.520 These and you know my 01:01:40.100 --> 01:01:44.860 Book and different things workshops that may be coming up. There's a section there on the 40 day fast 01:01:44.860 --> 01:01:50.820 To raise awareness to rogers situation. I have a new version of my book coming out. In fact, it's already available on 01:01:51.380 --> 01:01:54.740 Zano Bay. It's the only place you can you can get it. It's an updated 01:01:55.580 --> 01:02:02.220 Version I updated the book to have a specific focus on privacy, which I didn't have two years ago when I wrote wrote the initial 01:02:03.220 --> 01:02:08.620 Version and um, other than that, you know, I have karma and a point of sale system coming up 01:02:08.620 --> 01:02:14.140 But there's there's nothing more to say about that. The only other thing I would say is I really encourage people to come to pork fest 01:02:14.900 --> 01:02:17.960 Uh, which I think is june the 16th through the 22nd 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:23.660 And there's going to be a big privacy focus tent there for the for the entire week. It's the biggest tent 01:02:23.660 --> 01:02:29.220 I'm co-sponsoring it with uh, dugtumen and minaretopia, but we're going to have a ton of 01:02:29.640 --> 01:02:33.400 Talks related to zeno. In fact, zeno and confidential layer are two of the biggest sponsors 01:02:33.940 --> 01:02:37.380 So it's going to be not only a lot of talks, but just hands-on 01:02:38.240 --> 01:02:40.780 Applications and use and this is where I'm going to roll out, you know 01:02:40.780 --> 01:02:44.040 A crude version of my point of sale system so that people can actually 01:02:44.680 --> 01:02:50.740 Buy things using zeno at at pork fest. Usually there are a couple thousand people there. So I'm hoping this uh 01:02:51.300 --> 01:02:55.380 You mentioned before 2013 energy. I hope we bring the kind of the roger 01:02:58.020 --> 01:03:05.220 We actually bring roger himself back to pork fest. So I encourage everybody to if you can make it come to pork fest because 01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:11.540 Uh, you're going to be able to really experience this stuff hands-on and some of the zeno team is going to be there 01:03:11.540 --> 01:03:15.260 And so it's going to be it's going to be a lot of fun. So last time we spoke real quick 01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:17.840 I don't need to keep dragging this on but real quick 01:03:18.500 --> 01:03:20.600 Last time we spoke we spoke about pork fest 01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:23.320 and I went to go uh 01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:24.320 book 01:03:25.020 --> 01:03:27.300 My tickets and whatnot and you have to have a site 01:03:27.300 --> 01:03:31.340 But I don't I'm not sure there are any sites available on the pork fest or on the 01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:35.140 website for roger's campground. It says all sites are booked 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.900 And uh, so I said all right. I'll go to airbnb. I'll book an airbnb the nearest airbnb is like 01:03:41.540 --> 01:03:43.300 You know because it's a pretty rural spot 01:03:43.300 --> 01:03:48.140 So I'm still trying to figure out what the hell I'm going to do because I I have to get up there somehow one way or another 01:03:49.540 --> 01:03:53.480 Yeah, I mean, I would try airbnb or verbo verbo verbo. Okay 01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:58.440 Yeah, that I think that's where we've ended up booking from although we're still like 10 miles out 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.400 I it is true that it's there aren't a lot of great 01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:08.540 Options like immediately close by so you might have to to drive. I can't believe all the sites are booked roger's is a 01:04:08.540 --> 01:04:09.680 huge campground 01:04:11.120 --> 01:04:15.040 I'm surprised about that too. I've never seen the whole place booked up like that 01:04:15.040 --> 01:04:18.320 I've you know, even the times when I've been there back in the day when it was 01:04:18.820 --> 01:04:23.740 You know a shit ton of people there was still like the last two rows of the campground area were sort of 01:04:25.020 --> 01:04:29.880 Uh, a little bit less full. Um, but that's what the website says give them a call 01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:32.900 I haven't called them yet. I should do that now when we when we get done here 01:04:32.900 --> 01:04:37.840 But that's what the web is that what roger said or what the pork fest 01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:40.560 So if you go to the website for roger's campground 01:04:40.560 --> 01:04:45.960 It says on the home page like all portfest sites are booked or something along those lines 01:04:46.900 --> 01:04:50.940 Wow, okay, which is honestly shocking. I I should I 01:04:51.520 --> 01:04:56.820 Call them to to to double check guys. I don't want to give you false information because that doesn't sound right to me 01:04:56.820 --> 01:04:58.340 but that's that's what it said 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:01.760 so, uh 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:07.080 Yeah, okay, I'll look all into the out all ping that organizer and and actually confirm that 01:05:07.540 --> 01:05:12.040 Yeah, and I will um, I'll check out verbo. So you're 10 miles out 01:05:13.980 --> 01:05:19.480 Yeah, 10 miles out or 10 or 15 minutes out. I can't remember which one it is. We're we're way over somewhere else 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:26.120 I you know, I come up with my wife and then I my my son and then my my daughter will come for part of it 01:05:26.120 --> 01:05:29.020 So he they're twins. They're going to be turning 15 01:05:29.020 --> 01:05:35.880 So and then another another friend of mine comes in so we we usually get a big kind of house with a 01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.340 Oh, and all that other stuff so that we've got a 01:05:39.340 --> 01:05:41.020 centralized base and then I 01:05:41.020 --> 01:05:45.240 And then I you know, I I drive up my wife drives up and we bring a lot of supplies 01:05:45.240 --> 01:05:50.160 So we're bringing the Zeno merch and all that other stuff. So we oh, yeah hunker down 01:05:50.160 --> 01:05:55.000 Well, god willing I will uh, see you there, but regardless I will see you 01:05:55.640 --> 01:05:58.800 Later this week for uh week damn in Amsterdam 01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:00.280 Oh 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:04.720 Yeah, absolutely, um 01:06:07.240 --> 01:06:10.780 And just know I will be I so when you first see me 01:06:10.780 --> 01:06:14.120 I'm going to be I'm exhausted and and and my breath stinks 01:06:14.120 --> 01:06:19.440 I'm telling you I'm warning you that up front because there's nothing I can do about it. It's not as the case with me. Don't worry about it 01:06:20.680 --> 01:06:27.420 So so so if you know the initial interaction is going to be me kind of like half dead with with horrible breath 01:06:27.420 --> 01:06:31.520 But I'll be okay after I break the fast. So there's no you'll see two versions of me 01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:33.840 And I appreciate it, brother 01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:37.040 Yeah, all right, I'll see you. Have a good one. Bye 01:06:41.340 --> 01:06:42.300 All right 01:06:44.020 --> 01:06:50.400 Hell of an interview that was your host with the most mr. Sally agorist aka Sally Mayweather 01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:53.860 Okay, welcome back to the subversive spectrum 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:59.060 Episode 33. Look at me all by myself on the stage. Where's Adam? Adam is there 01:06:59.780 --> 01:07:03.840 And hopefully you guys can hear me as we have been doing all this last minute 01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:10.240 Changes for tonight, but uh, we've got of course Raphael Leverde crypto vigilante in the house 01:07:10.240 --> 01:07:12.580 And uh, we're about to actually bring on 01:07:13.240 --> 01:07:16.160 A very very special guest, uh, mr. X 01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:20.420 Who is Raphael's right-hand man over there at the crypto vigilante? 01:07:20.540 --> 01:07:26.440 So, uh, I guess I'm just going to bounce over to the zoom and give us a quick second here 01:07:27.120 --> 01:07:30.160 But yeah, then we'll debrief from that erin day 01:07:30.680 --> 01:07:35.200 Sal interview here in just a second. So shout out to all you guys for being live with us 01:07:35.780 --> 01:07:38.680 Check out the links in the scrolling ticker there on the bottom 01:07:39.560 --> 01:07:46.880 And uh, let's go so adding adam to the stage and I'm gonna jump off. You ready adam. Let's go 01:07:47.540 --> 01:07:51.340 Let me tell you guys mr. X for the third time is 01:07:52.020 --> 01:07:57.300 The guy if you want to, you know, get yourself up to speed on 01:07:57.750 --> 01:08:02.600 Crypto privacy operational security all that stuff that Raphael was talking about so 01:08:03.100 --> 01:08:07.180 Never remove Alex. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks Carl. Um, I don't know who would move me 01:08:07.180 --> 01:08:09.820 But mr. X is in the building without further ado 01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:15.000 He is Raphael's right-hand man over there crypto vigilante and you guys are in for a treat 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.980 Um with both of these guys in the same room. So thank you for being here. Mr. X 01:08:18.980 --> 01:08:20.460 Let's try this one more game 01:08:21.300 --> 01:08:23.860 All right, so yeah continue. Sorry where you left off 01:08:23.860 --> 01:08:27.500 We do hear adam Alex and I think raft but just not x yet 01:08:27.500 --> 01:08:32.100 So let's figure that out in the meantime raft introduce x since they can't hear him yet 01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:40.280 Well, mr. X is someone that I that I used to really look up to in the early days of bitcoin and I still do he is 01:08:40.280 --> 01:08:43.260 Uh, he's an expert in operational security 01:08:43.780 --> 01:08:48.780 And someone that's um really champions fungible digital gold digital cash 01:08:49.500 --> 01:08:49.900 and 01:08:49.900 --> 01:08:51.260 he's uh 01:08:51.260 --> 01:08:55.900 He's the guy that introduced me to Monero in the very early days of Monero 01:08:55.900 --> 01:09:01.780 So I'm just really happy that he's here and I'm really happy that he's uh part of the crypto vigilante team 01:09:02.500 --> 01:09:05.020 And I'm I hopefully you guys can hear him today 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:12.580 So all right, let me ask you something. Um during the conversation between air and day and cell 01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:21.220 They they were talking about the the the algorithmically peg stablecoin. I think it's called f usd 01:09:21.220 --> 01:09:26.000 Um on on that just came out on xana. What's your what's your what are your thoughts on that? 01:09:27.380 --> 01:09:30.960 It's all go peg stablecoin apologies guys 01:09:32.080 --> 01:09:33.660 All good, um 01:09:34.220 --> 01:09:37.580 An attempt was made we're gonna definitely bring mr. X back on the show 01:09:37.580 --> 01:09:42.480 Once sal comes back and whips us all back into shape when he gets back in town until then 01:09:43.260 --> 01:09:46.540 Um, what's up? We're taking over. We're taking over stuff with us guys. Sorry 01:09:47.340 --> 01:09:48.120 Do it 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:51.060 Um, we'll bring him back. We'll bring him back some other time 01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:55.880 Quick shout out to crypto steel. I think we've got something to show you guys 01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:59.880 But crypto steel has uh an amazing crypto 01:10:01.060 --> 01:10:02.420 Steel wallet right? 01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:08.900 Where you can actually store your seed phrase in an unpenetrable undestroyable way you guys have probably seen sal 01:10:08.900 --> 01:10:14.160 And yeah, I'm trying to destroy it. Um back in the day, you know, they make one of those cool things where it's fireproof 01:10:14.160 --> 01:10:18.180 And you know, it can totally explode and your seed phrase will be protected 01:10:18.180 --> 01:10:23.820 So, um, we have a deal at salvia goris.com slash crypto steel if you want to check that out 01:10:23.820 --> 01:10:33.180 Um the btc conference, uh, let's go ahead and get this quick little ad queued up because if you guys are planning on going to 01:10:33.180 --> 01:10:38.400 The bitcoin conference 2025. Uh, are you going raft? You know where it is? 01:10:39.660 --> 01:10:43.300 The bitcoin conference the btc conference in vegas 01:10:43.940 --> 01:10:44.940 Yep, that's the one 01:10:45.440 --> 01:10:45.940 No 01:10:47.300 --> 01:10:51.040 Well, uh, I got ninjas on the ground though. I got a bunch of ninjas on the ground 01:10:51.040 --> 01:10:54.800 Nice nice because giving me the alpha in real time. I don't need to go there 01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:01.600 We've got uh 10 off uh with coupon codes sal if uh, you plan on attending 01:11:02.180 --> 01:11:07.400 Of course, it's the biggest bitcoin conference of the year. Uh, so let us show you a quick 01:11:08.160 --> 01:11:14.660 promo on that, uh, so that you can get excited about your 10% discount for the bitcoin conference. Here we go 01:11:36.980 --> 01:11:43.620 Again, that's uh coupon code. Uh, what is it sal 2025 2025? Yeah. Yeah, sal 2025 01:11:43.620 --> 01:11:51.460 It's been scrolling across the bottom of the screen all night long. So, um, we've also got a coupon code for the crypto vigilante membership 01:11:51.460 --> 01:11:56.400 Which uh, you guys heard a little bit about from raft. Uh, you were gonna hear about it from mr 01:11:56.400 --> 01:12:00.280 x, but we'll get him back on um, but the crypto vigilante membership 01:12:00.280 --> 01:12:03.940 We actually have a quick little ad i'm gonna run uh for that as well 01:12:03.940 --> 01:12:12.740 And that has a coupon code for also 10 off. Uh, and it's just sal. Um, so here is the crypto vigilante 01:12:13.500 --> 01:12:16.980 Now we are dealing with a possible world war 01:12:16.980 --> 01:12:24.060 Some will say we are already in a world war my condolences and prayers go out to everyone suffering under tyranny 01:12:24.060 --> 01:12:26.080 It really sucks. I'm really sorry 01:12:26.080 --> 01:12:31.040 But it seems as if people are starting to wake up regarding crypto more and more each day 01:12:31.040 --> 01:12:37.240 And so it's in the description right here to read where we give our secret sauce and what we teach our subscribers 01:12:37.240 --> 01:12:43.600 Because things are just that bad, you know, everyone needs this information people need to know about sound cryptocurrencies 01:12:44.140 --> 01:12:49.100 That are actually private by default and to know how to properly use crypto 01:12:54.740 --> 01:12:59.240 That's right. That's right. Save 10% coupon codes sal 01:13:00.120 --> 01:13:02.220 and um, man, um, 01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:03.540 Let me uh, 01:13:03.660 --> 01:13:07.580 Ask i'm gonna challenge rafael since we you know, we really hype and mr 01:13:07.580 --> 01:13:10.960 X up if you can uh, sort of do your best, uh, mr 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:12.080 X impression see that 01:13:12.080 --> 01:13:17.660 It's not gonna like to be the same because the best thing about these guys is that they often butt heads is 01:13:17.660 --> 01:13:20.380 Maybe you guys didn't hear me say when my audio was cutting out 01:13:20.380 --> 01:13:24.900 But I used to have the privilege of when I worked closely with them on their team 01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:32.320 To you know, be a part of just conversations between the three of us sometimes and I would hear them arguing back and forth 01:13:33.160 --> 01:13:36.420 About you know, the nerdiest crypto stuff that like, you know 01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:40.860 More than half of it would go over my head but but I would soak in and I would learn 01:13:41.280 --> 01:13:44.160 And um, and that's what I thought you guys were going to be treated to tonight 01:13:44.160 --> 01:13:49.900 But we're gonna have to try it again. Um, sal if uh, if we're not all fired after tonight, um, we'll see but 01:13:50.380 --> 01:13:55.840 No, raf uh raf is the first guest to actually be uh returned on the show 01:13:55.840 --> 01:14:02.020 Actually on the same day. No as erin day. So erin day, which we weren't sure if we're gonna have that video because sal 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:04.100 Got it to us the last minute 01:14:04.100 --> 01:14:08.860 But we did get to see that interview and then uh raf and erin day the first two guests who 01:14:08.860 --> 01:14:15.400 Come back on the show for a second time. Um, and raf doing it as a as a co-host with us 01:14:15.400 --> 01:14:19.960 So this has been really fun. Um, yeah, I mean she's with all the uh 01:14:20.380 --> 01:14:25.040 Technical stuff the time has flown by and yeah, I'm trying to delay out there a little but yeah 01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:31.460 Yeah, yeah, so um, we still appreciate you guys joining us. I see the number still ticking up here. Um, 01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:34.600 So welcoming guys anyone that's just just joining us 01:14:35.580 --> 01:14:37.200 Rock on um 01:14:38.020 --> 01:14:46.000 Before uh, I challenge uh adam to uh, you know go to anything from um from the show notes or the weekly sort of current events 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:49.120 Uh, that we know we may or may not touch on um 01:14:49.120 --> 01:14:52.980 Let me just go to to raf and uh, what I was gonna say is if you can 01:14:52.980 --> 01:14:56.480 Challenge yourself to sort of do your best, uh, either if you want to do 01:14:56.480 --> 01:15:00.860 Sort of a mr. X sort of uh, I think they did kind of hear him for a little bit 01:15:00.860 --> 01:15:06.160 um, but just kind of give us a little bit of um, uh an understanding of why 01:15:06.160 --> 01:15:12.200 You and him are you know, the guys that lead the crypto vigilante 01:15:13.780 --> 01:15:14.260 Um 01:15:15.340 --> 01:15:15.820 Well 01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:20.360 I was gonna do an impression of him, but I think you guys heard him 01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:26.120 He uses a voice this guy's or anytime he talks on the phone. So it sounds something like hey guys 01:15:26.620 --> 01:15:28.820 How are you? I love Monero 01:15:28.820 --> 01:15:35.260 That's pretty much mr. X in a nutshell and uh, yeah, he's a he's a cool dude. I mean, um 01:15:35.260 --> 01:15:41.860 Our team is pretty eclectic. Like I said, we have uh, we're all bitcoin og's and uh 01:15:41.860 --> 01:15:47.140 We do with this because we love to do this and we want to stay sharp and we 01:15:47.790 --> 01:15:53.780 We just are this is our vocation. So mr. X is uh, is is a 01:15:54.340 --> 01:15:56.600 digital cash uh maximalist 01:15:56.600 --> 01:16:02.620 And for him the most important thing is having privacy by default at the protocol level 01:16:03.110 --> 01:16:06.460 Because that is the only way you have true of a fungible 01:16:07.070 --> 01:16:09.020 uh digital cash and so 01:16:09.740 --> 01:16:15.380 That's that's like his go-to and and I think the world the world is finally catching up 01:16:15.380 --> 01:16:18.440 And we see how Monero is performing well in the markets 01:16:19.100 --> 01:16:24.500 And how the Monero community is becoming the safe haven to for for 01:16:25.230 --> 01:16:35.400 For everyone that actually needs to use crypto in a way that uh respects their sovereignty. So it's just it's uh, it's a good dynamic and um 01:16:35.910 --> 01:16:36.640 I think 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:40.680 Beyond that, um, the crypto vigilante focuses on 01:16:41.240 --> 01:16:48.140 On making money and preserving your wealth. So our our personal opinions of crypto when it comes to 01:16:48.140 --> 01:16:51.760 The actual fundamentals of the cryptocurrency 01:16:52.740 --> 01:16:56.700 Um, they're they're important in teaching you what is importing about crypto 01:16:56.700 --> 01:17:01.660 What it is that we're talking about but there are aspects of crypto there are aspects to to bitcoin 01:17:02.060 --> 01:17:07.560 That regard more of preserving your wealth and using these 01:17:08.480 --> 01:17:14.760 Cryptocurrencies as investment vehicles to profit and make more money. So we really focus on that and uh 01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:17.280 I think I think from 01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:26.080 In the recent times that has been what our subscribers have enjoyed most about the crypto vigilante that emphasis and 01:17:26.440 --> 01:17:29.340 and beyond that the the emphasis on 01:17:30.180 --> 01:17:35.420 Our precious metals and the overall market that we get from the dollar vigilante 01:17:36.020 --> 01:17:38.500 that that is extremely valuable because 01:17:39.340 --> 01:17:42.400 Our subscribers don't only get 01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:45.080 Uh, a very eclectic 01:17:45.080 --> 01:17:51.140 well-rounded perspective on cryptocurrency, but they also get to see how cryptocurrency 01:17:52.140 --> 01:17:52.580 um 01:17:53.940 --> 01:18:00.140 It best sits within a world of investing that comes from an austrian economics perspective 01:18:00.700 --> 01:18:01.080 so 01:18:01.860 --> 01:18:08.640 It's it's not just crypto for its sake, but it's also crypto with an understanding of the overall market 01:18:09.320 --> 01:18:11.680 And how to position yourself as an investor 01:18:12.300 --> 01:18:14.200 Within that overall all framework 01:18:16.440 --> 01:18:20.740 Yeah, absolutely, uh, which is so important, you know, the holistic 01:18:20.740 --> 01:18:27.960 You know everybody is just coming at it from their singular like angle and um, and that's what's so valuable about that 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:33.000 You know the power of that those those three pillars of operation op sec 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:37.020 fundamental analysis technical analysis and then the fact that you know 01:18:37.020 --> 01:18:41.620 These you're always budding heads with your own team. Uh, you didn't surround yourself with an echo 01:18:41.620 --> 01:18:48.320 You have to you have to um, you're supposed to because the worst thing has has happened in crypto history 01:18:48.320 --> 01:18:54.140 And in general and all of crypto wherever you go in crypto is is that that hasn't been fostered 01:18:54.140 --> 01:18:56.800 You go to different crypto communities and they're very tribal 01:18:57.400 --> 01:18:59.640 So the entire crypto space is very tribal 01:19:00.260 --> 01:19:02.000 So it's very good to see 01:19:03.260 --> 01:19:08.140 It's very good for real good to see that we have a network at the crypto vigilante where 01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:14.500 We have every different analyst every analyst coming to to to to embrace the crypto space from a different perspective 01:19:15.140 --> 01:19:16.960 So it is not an echo chamber 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.460 We definitely don't waste time on things that are fluff 01:19:20.180 --> 01:19:25.300 But it's um, we because we want to respect the space, but we but we do 01:19:25.900 --> 01:19:30.580 We do open up to dialogue freely about those things that are most important 01:19:31.080 --> 01:19:33.680 So we have big blockers small blockers 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:41.880 We even have tiny blockers now, right? Because there's like a little there's a civil war happening in btc between small blockers and tiny blockers 01:19:42.440 --> 01:19:42.960 and 01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:49.420 And so having that those discussions within an environment that is respectful where everyone 01:19:50.580 --> 01:19:54.220 Is open is welcome to disagree with one another is very healthy 01:19:54.220 --> 01:20:00.060 And what has happened over the years is that this environment has created an atmosphere where 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:06.640 We really find ourselves becoming smarter in embracing the the entire space because 01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:08.340 we have 01:20:10.100 --> 01:20:11.880 As an individual you can't really 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:19.940 You know embrace the totality of crypto crypto is multidisciplinary and interdisciplinary. So it's it's 01:20:19.940 --> 01:20:26.080 you you know one person can be an expert at marketing at memetics at 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:27.020 um 01:20:27.020 --> 01:20:32.220 technical analysis fundamental analysis at the same time for them to be able to be a cryptographer that understands 01:20:32.220 --> 01:20:38.940 Cryptography and what tools to actually use when and where and how the best event of blockchain like you really need a team for this 01:20:38.940 --> 01:20:41.120 And and we were able to put together 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.120 In my opinion the most all-star badass team 01:20:44.120 --> 01:20:49.200 And you can get a taste of it if you sign up for a free newsletter at crypto vigilante.io 01:20:49.200 --> 01:20:50.920 If you want to join the newsletter 01:20:51.380 --> 01:20:57.240 Yeah, if you want to join the newsletter, um the paid newsletter, which is where all the the the meet is 01:20:58.100 --> 01:21:03.720 With almost daily technical analysis from the guys that first charted bitcoin in the bitcoin talk forums 01:21:04.280 --> 01:21:10.540 You're you're you get a 10% discount with crypto vigilante.io forward slash sal 01:21:10.540 --> 01:21:11.760 s a l 01:21:12.420 --> 01:21:12.940 um 01:21:13.660 --> 01:21:16.680 In honor of our host who is not here sal the agarist 01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:17.460 so 01:21:17.460 --> 01:21:20.840 So yeah, it's a it's an environment that is very unique 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:27.180 And I honestly don't know of another environment like that in crypto and I honestly don't know how other people do it in crypto 01:21:28.060 --> 01:21:33.460 Because you don't know who to trust in crypto. That's the real problem in crypto. You don't know who to trust 01:21:34.060 --> 01:21:38.960 And the fact that you know, we have people that are out in the open like myself and jeff burwick 01:21:39.480 --> 01:21:43.660 You know our reputations are on the line and we and you guys can hold this accountable 01:21:43.660 --> 01:21:45.620 In making sure that we're giving you guys 01:21:46.180 --> 01:21:52.860 Our best in teaching you about these technologies and these markets and providing you guys with the most objective research possible 01:21:52.860 --> 01:21:58.180 Our goal is to be as objective as possible regarding all of these networks and all of these 01:21:59.040 --> 01:21:59.480 crypto 01:22:00.380 --> 01:22:01.540 Investments that are out there 01:22:02.420 --> 01:22:07.720 Yeah, absolutely. Dude, uh, you mentioned when we were talking about this last minute, uh, you know helping us co-host 01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:11.240 You're like, should I invite jeff? I'm like, uh, hell. Yeah, but wait 01:22:11.240 --> 01:22:14.260 No, imagine if he was here for this shit show trying to deal with it with us 01:22:14.260 --> 01:22:18.260 No, we're gonna definitely get jeff burwick on as you know in interview with sal 01:22:19.220 --> 01:22:24.440 In hopefully near future. That would be incredible. But um, no, it's it's it's incredible 01:22:24.440 --> 01:22:26.840 Like, uh, it's one of those things the tcv 01:22:27.340 --> 01:22:30.380 Membership or the the the service whatever you guys offer 01:22:30.380 --> 01:22:35.340 It's really a community, right? Because I was gonna say it's one of those things where, uh, some people like 01:22:35.340 --> 01:22:38.600 You find out like what you get right when you join, right? 01:22:38.700 --> 01:22:42.560 Because immediately when you become a member you get access to like all their reports that go back 01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:47.440 You know for years since the since the uh decades now. Yeah. Yeah, since it's launched 01:22:48.240 --> 01:22:49.960 Decades. No, it's been well. Yeah, the 01:22:50.700 --> 01:22:52.840 Well, well, that's the crypto vigilante 01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:58.400 But the dollar vigilante, which uh told their subscribers to buy bitcoin at like two dollars 01:22:58.900 --> 01:23:02.480 That stands back to 2011 and we have that all of that archive 01:23:02.980 --> 01:23:07.800 So it's uh, that's right. And this is what i'm saying. It's like you don't know who to trust on the internet 01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:12.420 I look at commercials on the internet now and i'm like, do I can I even trust like is this even a person? 01:23:12.900 --> 01:23:16.480 Or is this some sort of agent? You know, has that happened to you item? 01:23:16.480 --> 01:23:22.520 I literally it was a AI thing. I get a youtube ad that keeps popping up and it's like some AI guy 01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:27.240 And he's like saying i'm the only person who publishes all my trades or whatever and i'm like 01:23:27.240 --> 01:23:32.040 This is literally a fake guy and yeah, like it's really hard to distinguish now 01:23:32.040 --> 01:23:38.340 Yeah, it's wow scary. What i was gonna say is that um people will join the tcv because you know 01:23:38.340 --> 01:23:43.620 They want access to like the latest uh newsletter sometimes, right that came out and then like, you know 01:23:43.620 --> 01:23:47.940 It's one of those things where you think uh, you're gonna get access to a bunch of stuff, right when you join 01:23:47.940 --> 01:23:51.960 So then, you know, you can just cancel after and you've got all the resources, right? 01:23:52.380 --> 01:23:58.320 But then when they join the telegram group, uh, that is when you realize like holy crap 01:23:58.320 --> 01:24:01.720 This is a whole another ongoing real-time 01:24:02.860 --> 01:24:06.480 live, uh, like community that is like on the pulse 01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:13.540 24 seven around the clock from all over the world a few thousand people in there that you know are learning from each other 01:24:13.620 --> 01:24:19.080 Even, you know and then discussing all the the content you guys put out and and it's just a 01:24:19.080 --> 01:24:28.060 Community of of the level of scrutiny that i've never seen anywhere else in crypto, um, right other than like maybe the monero community itself 01:24:28.580 --> 01:24:29.020 um 01:24:29.780 --> 01:24:34.260 But that yeah that that even within monero if you go to a monero forum 01:24:34.260 --> 01:24:40.320 They only talk about monero and everything else is a shit coin, right, right? So for us, it's like, um 01:24:40.900 --> 01:24:45.280 It's been really hard for me personally because i've had to move from 01:24:46.320 --> 01:24:49.620 Like i've really had to step up my game a lot over time 01:24:50.320 --> 01:24:50.640 where 01:24:51.380 --> 01:24:53.780 I've you know, we the crypto vigilante 01:24:54.440 --> 01:25:02.100 We had we have had like this ongoing discussion on very important and intelligent high-level topics 01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:05.640 but then this thing just aside like 01:25:06.380 --> 01:25:10.420 Side swipe me which was wait a minute. We have to take into account 01:25:10.420 --> 01:25:13.580 This was like my big revelation about two years ago 01:25:14.180 --> 01:25:15.460 two or three years ago, which was 01:25:16.280 --> 01:25:22.780 We live in a world of stupid people people that are npcs people that don't know anything about this and people that have been indoctrinated 01:25:23.420 --> 01:25:26.280 To follow orders and not think for themselves 01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:31.560 And they are the ones that are now coming into crypto their opinions and their outlooks matter 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:34.760 Therefore their perspective has to be incorporated 01:25:35.400 --> 01:25:40.100 within our assessment of the space and that to me was shocking because 01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:44.380 Uh, I realized I realized that at that point in time 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:52.620 Bitcoin and crypto graduated to mainstream and when it graduated to mainstream now you have to the money coming into crypto is 01:25:52.620 --> 01:25:56.580 the money coming into crypto is money that um 01:25:57.220 --> 01:26:02.020 That that that comes with all of these antics and way of thinking so it's um 01:26:03.280 --> 01:26:08.180 And so for example someone in the comic section just talked about how privacy breeds corruption 01:26:08.180 --> 01:26:10.260 You see like if that right there 01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:15.420 Is a topic of conversation of which I can put on a hat and agree with that person 01:26:15.420 --> 01:26:19.160 And I can put on the other hat and say well, you know what it's it's uh 01:26:19.160 --> 01:26:25.340 I can argue for the opposite the reality is is that these technologies are just all tools 01:26:26.120 --> 01:26:32.480 To be used by individuals and there will be good people using these tools and bad people using these tools 01:26:32.480 --> 01:26:39.180 And in between, you know all across whatever spectrum there will be these are just tools, you know, you can kill someone with a hammer 01:26:39.820 --> 01:26:40.380 or 01:26:41.160 --> 01:26:43.500 You can build a house with a hammer 01:26:44.300 --> 01:26:44.860 so 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:52.000 Yeah, so I value transparency and blockchains. I also value privacy and blockchains. I value both 01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:56.260 It's not in either or it's both and they're all different tools 01:26:57.220 --> 01:26:59.380 To be used in their proper place 01:26:59.380 --> 01:27:00.200 so 01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:04.180 For example, we were talking about xeno xeno has a great use cases 01:27:04.740 --> 01:27:07.540 but I also see value value in 01:27:08.200 --> 01:27:13.760 In transparent blockchains now mr. X and other analysts don't see as much value in transparent blockchains 01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:16.880 I do because there are some use cases in the market 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:20.500 Where you need transparency to hold people accountable 01:27:20.500 --> 01:27:24.380 So it's these are all just use cases guys for different people 01:27:25.140 --> 01:27:25.440 and 01:27:26.480 --> 01:27:31.320 And so our goal at the crypto vigilantes is to really present all of these things 01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:35.400 And for you guys to personalize your experience in real time 01:27:35.940 --> 01:27:39.720 So that's that's really our goal goal. Our goal is one of like 01:27:40.260 --> 01:27:41.460 education and so 01:27:41.460 --> 01:27:43.300 Since bitcoin and crypto 01:27:44.200 --> 01:27:46.900 In the innovation of it has sped up exponentially 01:27:47.620 --> 01:27:49.040 We're at the point now where 01:27:49.040 --> 01:27:53.880 A monthly newsletter and a weekly ta is almost not enough 01:27:54.400 --> 01:27:57.860 Because things are that fucking crazy. So we're at the point now where 01:27:58.380 --> 01:28:03.960 We have to be as analysts readily available for questions in real time at the you know, whenever 01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:09.200 Because things happen out of nowhere and there's new innovation now people are using ai to even 01:28:09.200 --> 01:28:14.460 Uh develop code even if they're you know, they're not coders themselves if they're not programmers themselves 01:28:15.320 --> 01:28:18.880 Creating apps is readily available to everyone now through ai 01:28:19.420 --> 01:28:25.840 so the development of crypto and the adoption of crypto is exponential at this point and 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:29.440 People are beginning to experience future shock 01:28:29.440 --> 01:28:34.360 Which is the idea that they're becoming overwhelmed by all of this technology 01:28:35.040 --> 01:28:37.740 You know, that's what have you guys heard of the term future shock? 01:28:38.700 --> 01:28:43.640 Yeah, I recommend reading alvin toughler. He's a big proponent of this 01:28:44.460 --> 01:28:47.240 He's the guy that came up with this term and it's the idea that 01:28:47.900 --> 01:28:52.400 Technology is going to be growing so fast that you're not even going to know it's going to be nauseating 01:28:52.940 --> 01:28:56.620 It's going to be really hard to keep up and we're already there and so 01:28:57.340 --> 01:29:01.720 If you're if you're just someone coming into crypto and I mean, it's just overwhelming 01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:06.360 I don't I do not know how people do it and I've seen it happen in various communities where 01:29:06.900 --> 01:29:09.540 There's someone who gains the trust of the community 01:29:10.180 --> 01:29:13.660 And then before you know it the community starts realizing like oh, shit 01:29:13.660 --> 01:29:17.000 This guy is actually using us as exit real liquidity 01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:19.080 That is something very common 01:29:19.780 --> 01:29:21.940 And people get upset because of that 01:29:23.560 --> 01:29:25.920 And it's it's it's it's uh 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:29.540 It's really it's something sad man. It really is sad 01:29:29.540 --> 01:29:34.200 But when you have a team see this is the difference when you have a team 01:29:34.740 --> 01:29:38.520 Where the team all disagrees which is the dynamic of tcv 01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:42.460 And everyone all of the analysts come at crypto from different perspectives 01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:48.320 And they're all tackling different topics in crypto and the bottom line is to preserve 01:29:49.300 --> 01:29:51.480 capital to preserve a value 01:29:52.100 --> 01:29:53.440 and and also to 01:29:54.020 --> 01:29:54.900 Make money 01:29:55.420 --> 01:29:59.820 Then it doesn't matter what your prefer crypto network is 01:30:00.380 --> 01:30:06.960 What matters is to look out for the well-being of the of the environment you're in to get and to always strive for 01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:08.760 Objectivity as much as possible 01:30:09.360 --> 01:30:14.540 And and and and there goes my example that all of a sudden I found myself like okay 01:30:14.540 --> 01:30:17.100 We're very we our conversation is very high level 01:30:17.100 --> 01:30:21.500 But now we have to take take into account all of this money that's coming into crypto 01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:23.120 through 01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:30.100 Through wall street for example and etfs people that are are completely illiterate about austrian economics 01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:36.100 People that don't care about the liberty movement people that are that are just of a completely different mindset 01:30:36.100 --> 01:30:40.120 And you have to take into account these NPCs coming in and their 01:30:40.120 --> 01:30:45.080 Their mindset because they affect the market and what they choose affects the market as well 01:30:45.080 --> 01:30:49.140 So you have to factor everything in um even the stupidity of the masses now 01:30:49.140 --> 01:30:53.420 And that is that is that to me has been a challenge, but it's been really good to have 01:30:53.420 --> 01:30:57.240 um the team that I have that has been able to watch my back 01:30:57.770 --> 01:31:03.600 In making sure that we're you know, the dynamic we have always focus on being as objective as possible 01:31:04.120 --> 01:31:05.860 and so um 01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:10.960 It's just crazy to me how how like how many winning trades like for example 01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:16.680 Our technical analysts have like all the time all the time they're calling things 01:31:17.140 --> 01:31:23.520 As it happens, you know way before anyone in the market knows about it because even within the analysts 01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:27.680 You'll notice that there's even like a like a healthy competition as to like 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:30.240 figuring out the market 01:31:30.900 --> 01:31:32.620 and figuring out insights 01:31:33.260 --> 01:31:38.100 And realizing things about the market before before even the other analysts on the team 01:31:38.100 --> 01:31:40.600 Which creates a very healthy environment 01:31:41.100 --> 01:31:45.460 And I've had people come up to me in conferences. For example, like the last one I went to 01:31:45.460 --> 01:31:48.960 This girl came up to me. She's like raf what you guys told us on the newsletter 01:31:49.540 --> 01:31:51.320 Uh about two months ago 01:31:51.980 --> 01:31:55.020 Is now just something that my friends are finally talking about 01:31:55.580 --> 01:32:02.120 And we you guys helped us prepare for this major market shift that we just experienced way back then 01:32:02.620 --> 01:32:09.880 So in public and when I talk in places outside of the crypto vigilante, I don't talk about my investment thesis or anything like that 01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:14.160 I may champion certain crypto networks that I personally like 01:32:14.160 --> 01:32:20.900 But but my for instance as an as an investor my secret sauce is the crypto vigilante 01:32:20.900 --> 01:32:24.400 And that is and it's and it's really because I have a badass team 01:32:24.400 --> 01:32:29.760 And and it's my honor to offer that that badass team to you guys so that you guys can 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.860 Unnourish yourself from this 01:32:32.780 --> 01:32:33.800 You know community 01:32:34.330 --> 01:32:40.180 We meet twice a year at an archipelago and now at Lieberpoco in europe and archipelago happens in mexico 01:32:40.180 --> 01:32:44.880 And it's kind of like a homecoming every year. It's it's really awesome, dude. And um 01:32:45.490 --> 01:32:50.040 I just uh, I'm just very blessed to be part of this crypto and bitcoin journey 01:32:50.610 --> 01:32:55.280 And to have the badass team that that that i've been able to to form with jeff berwick 01:32:55.920 --> 01:33:00.740 Of analysts and to be able to share them with you guys that to me is what's most important 01:33:01.360 --> 01:33:05.300 And here with sal jagras as our as our affiliate partner 01:33:06.040 --> 01:33:12.880 We want to bring this to sal's audience as well. And I look forward to you guys having different members of of our team 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:19.380 Sitting down with you guys and giving you guys their perspective because my perspective is just one perspective 01:33:20.140 --> 01:33:24.860 Yes, I am the main the face of the organization, but i'm not the 01:33:25.540 --> 01:33:26.100 um 01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:29.280 I'm not the i'm not the brain of the organization 01:33:29.280 --> 01:33:35.380 The brain of the organization is all of the analysts coming together. That is where the power is not just me 01:33:35.380 --> 01:33:43.640 I'm just one of the many dudes and unfortunately today. We couldn't have mr. X on but you know, hopefully you'll have him on some other time 01:33:44.160 --> 01:33:44.660 uh 01:33:45.780 --> 01:33:50.220 Ed boogos jeff berwick mr. A mr. W mr. P 01:33:50.220 --> 01:33:53.940 Mr. Z like we have a rock star fucking team, dude 01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:56.920 Like and these guys in early bitcoin history 01:33:57.420 --> 01:34:01.440 Um, they were very influential people, but they've changed their names for 01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:06.260 For security reasons because these guys do it for the love of it. That's the coolest part 01:34:06.260 --> 01:34:09.280 They do it because not they that they need need it 01:34:09.280 --> 01:34:12.360 They they're they're in love with crypto in it and one of them once mentioned 01:34:12.360 --> 01:34:14.440 No, dude, I love doing this because it keeps me sharp 01:34:14.440 --> 01:34:19.380 Otherwise i'd be retired sitting around and what you know, I can only go golfing so many times a week, right? 01:34:19.380 --> 01:34:25.700 Like like I I stay sharp, you know, so um, it's cool. It's really it's really cool. Um 01:34:26.400 --> 01:34:30.540 and um to be able to offer this to the world then and 01:34:31.220 --> 01:34:35.220 And and knowing that we're in an age now where like people need that human contact 01:34:35.980 --> 01:34:41.620 Because of not knowing what the heck is going on with all this with all these machines taking over everything 01:34:41.620 --> 01:34:44.660 The cyborg theocracy is here, right? 01:34:45.400 --> 01:34:49.120 We are in the cyborg theocracy and everyone's looking for that 01:34:49.380 --> 01:34:55.180 For for what they're really thirsting is that human touch and rough come again. You're gonna get the implant 01:34:55.680 --> 01:34:56.460 Hell no bro 01:34:57.140 --> 01:35:01.400 I'm human bro. I'm staying in pure blood all day all day 01:35:02.100 --> 01:35:05.460 I'm detoxing all the crap in the air and the water and the 01:35:05.460 --> 01:35:07.980 In the environment all the time, dude 01:35:07.980 --> 01:35:13.160 When I go to anarcho polko I geek out with the health and wellness people that we bring out 01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:16.540 Like the best alternative doctors alternative medicines 01:35:17.220 --> 01:35:21.100 Shamans I geek out learning about from them because I'm so into technology 01:35:21.740 --> 01:35:27.140 That when I finally am around them, I just I'm a sponge bro. I consume all that stuff too 01:35:27.680 --> 01:35:33.020 I just want to get on to a few more things we're running out of time here. Um, I wanted to touch on 01:35:33.020 --> 01:35:35.420 Some stuff going on in the news right now 01:35:35.420 --> 01:35:42.600 Uh, you guys heard trumps attempting to reopen alcatraz. Just wanted to get your your opinions on that 01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:44.820 That's a me bro 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:51.420 That's why I've been seeing alcatraz lately on twitter. I don't know. Do you like yeah, he's he's suggesting 01:35:52.100 --> 01:35:57.100 They reopen it. It's it's laughable. I don't I don't see it happening. I just um 01:35:58.140 --> 01:36:01.580 Like why is he just you know trying to 01:36:02.110 --> 01:36:03.360 search it, you know 01:36:03.980 --> 01:36:06.780 Piss people off. I have no I have no idea 01:36:06.780 --> 01:36:14.120 I mean, um sal has a post up. It was a poll of uh, uh trumps first 100 days office 01:36:14.120 --> 01:36:18.280 It was also a libertarian party put out a grade. They gave him a seat 01:36:18.280 --> 01:36:23.120 Um, I think for his first 100 days on sal's poll. It's very, um 01:36:24.320 --> 01:36:25.500 Balanced to be honest 01:36:26.340 --> 01:36:35.100 Yeah, 29 percent say uh decent 19 percent excellent 25 percent sub par 25 percent terrible 01:36:35.100 --> 01:36:40.980 So it's pretty much like a quarter across the board. It's uh, very very balanced strength to me 01:36:41.500 --> 01:36:45.900 I want to hear your grade adam. What do you what do you grade trump? Oh, it's solid 01:36:46.540 --> 01:36:50.140 D minus D minus may be worse to be honest 01:36:52.300 --> 01:36:53.880 You know, I mean 01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:59.660 Trump doesn't directly affect me on a day to day or like in his last, you know term 01:37:00.340 --> 01:37:04.660 I was like I've never voted. I'll never vote. Um, that's just i'm not being 01:37:04.660 --> 01:37:09.260 I'm not being part of that. Thanks on a day to day. I wasn't like he's not really 01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:11.000 effecting me directly 01:37:11.490 --> 01:37:17.620 This time he is, you know, like the cost of everything seems to be going up and you know, I'm sure there's there's other factors 01:37:17.620 --> 01:37:19.080 what he's definitely um 01:37:19.900 --> 01:37:24.640 He's made a mess of of the market right now with the tariffs and whatnot 01:37:25.240 --> 01:37:26.100 Just silly 01:37:26.740 --> 01:37:28.560 What about what about you ref? 01:37:29.440 --> 01:37:32.940 I give him a I give him a D solid D like 01:37:33.540 --> 01:37:40.180 I mean I for me, you know, the who really runs the the the world now is crypto and and and 01:37:40.180 --> 01:37:45.440 Bitcoin bitcoin is what and crypto is what won him the election to begin with 01:37:45.980 --> 01:37:51.000 And I think biden won because he was able to steal it because of ftx 01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:54.860 He has remember how much ftx got in cahoots with the democratic party 01:37:54.860 --> 01:37:59.300 Uh during that election. Well, that that's that's where they got their energy 01:37:59.300 --> 01:38:04.660 The world is revolving around the blockchain guys. It's being consumed by something crazy. Um 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:12.100 ftx I found there was fortune cookies with on your fortune cookie. It was ftx 01:38:12.100 --> 01:38:17.760 I kept seeing this pop up about you know back when that was all hype, but um, oh, yeah 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:19.240 Weirdest place to advertise 01:38:19.860 --> 01:38:22.120 Um, it was finding in fortune cookies 01:38:22.900 --> 01:38:23.460 Yeah 01:38:25.260 --> 01:38:29.400 Yeah, and and the you know ftx tells us a story of how 01:38:29.400 --> 01:38:33.620 Um, what the masses think is impossible to happen 01:38:33.620 --> 01:38:35.800 Can actually happen overnight 01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:40.660 So if you're too comfortable in crypto and you think that things are that are happening 01:38:40.660 --> 01:38:47.740 We'll just continue to be business as usual. Uh, let me tell you something you can be surprised because if you would have told someone 01:38:47.740 --> 01:38:52.860 A week before the collapse of ftx that ftx was gonna collapse 01:38:53.460 --> 01:38:54.740 They would have told you were crazy 01:38:55.320 --> 01:39:00.060 But the truth is that it did collapse and now everyone in hindsight is like, yeah, of course it collapsed 01:39:00.060 --> 01:39:03.680 It makes total sense. Yeah, but before then if I would have told you I was gonna collapse 01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:06.400 You wouldn't have agreed with me. You thought I was crazy 01:39:06.400 --> 01:39:11.440 And so sometimes I make calls and I say things that the people sound crazy 01:39:11.980 --> 01:39:13.440 and and so, um 01:39:14.180 --> 01:39:21.400 You know and and that goes a lot for for our team and what our team has been doing at tcv. Um, but yeah, it's uh 01:39:22.140 --> 01:39:25.160 It's crazy. What do you rate them alex? What's your what's your grade for trump? 01:39:27.700 --> 01:39:37.220 Uh, I'll go with the libertarian party's c grading. I think that that's probably fair enough. I um, I try not to get too distracted with the politics 01:39:37.220 --> 01:39:39.940 You know, um, I think entrepreneurship 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:43.560 Is a way better use of people's time 01:39:44.200 --> 01:39:51.000 When it comes to even you know making political change, um, right, but uh, no, I I uh, I do admire those 01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:56.500 We're fighting the good fight in the trenches. Um in all different, you know, uh angles 01:39:56.500 --> 01:39:58.820 In terms of trying to bring about liberty 01:39:59.540 --> 01:40:01.700 In one way or another, um 01:40:02.420 --> 01:40:03.960 But trump is uh 01:40:04.420 --> 01:40:07.720 To me the entertainer in chief, uh, he's 01:40:08.200 --> 01:40:11.260 You know like, uh, obama was like the first celebrity in chief 01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:18.840 Uh, and then um, now we've got that just like there's no going back. I think you have to be a celebrity now 01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:25.740 Um to be to be a president. I think like it's like the standard has been set. Yeah, it's had a precedent, you know 01:40:26.400 --> 01:40:32.700 Yeah, we live in a tv, you know era post truth now with all this stuff. It's just like 01:40:32.700 --> 01:40:38.100 Um, how much attention can you get right? It's it's fully an attention economy. Um 01:40:39.020 --> 01:40:47.060 And uh, I don't know man. Um, but uh, we are gonna have uh, brian mcwilliams on a future episode 01:40:47.060 --> 01:40:51.820 He is the communications chair at the libertarian party. Uh, and I've been trying to tell sal 01:40:51.820 --> 01:40:58.120 It would be fun to get a little bit of a sort of a libertarian versus anarchist debate going 01:40:58.640 --> 01:41:03.140 Um, and maybe we'll get uh, our boy steven the kala from down there in the key west 01:41:03.140 --> 01:41:07.920 Who's the chairman of the libertarian party? Um, because that's a always a classic, uh debate 01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:12.200 You know get a little spicy in here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah 01:41:12.200 --> 01:41:14.300 um, so sal wished, uh 01:41:14.300 --> 01:41:17.580 Hal finney a happy birthday the other day. Uh, he posted 01:41:18.360 --> 01:41:21.520 Uh, how finney's picture and he said happy birthday satoshi 01:41:22.040 --> 01:41:28.020 Um, and he said this on on a previous episode, uh, how finney, you know, the guy that, you know, is most likely satoshi 01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:33.840 Um, which no, no, no, he's not but sure. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know which is funny. I'll tell you this 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:35.520 This is my my thing on satoshi ready 01:41:36.200 --> 01:41:36.920 Go ahead 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:41.000 Everyone that think everyone that people think is satoshi 01:41:41.580 --> 01:41:48.480 Is is not on the satoshi list. Why let me tell you why because they're they're they're their thing is well 01:41:48.480 --> 01:41:50.560 satoshi reached out to them 01:41:51.320 --> 01:41:52.320 if you 01:41:53.020 --> 01:41:56.680 Have an inner circle and you have to reach out to anyone 01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:01.360 You're only reaching out to those who are outside the inner circle get it 01:42:02.020 --> 01:42:09.980 Right. So add them back all of these guys, uh, how finney all of these guys marmalade all those guys 01:42:10.530 --> 01:42:16.700 He reached out to them. He spoke to them. He hit there's emails correspondence with them 01:42:17.480 --> 01:42:22.800 Because why did he reach out to them and try to explain bitcoin to them and have conversations? 01:42:23.200 --> 01:42:25.440 So because they were not inside his inner circle 01:42:25.440 --> 01:42:30.500 If you were inside of your his inner circle, he never reached out to you you get it 01:42:31.180 --> 01:42:34.480 Okay, which you're saying how finney was in his inner circle 01:42:34.480 --> 01:42:37.760 No, he wasn't because he reached out to help finney 01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:42.780 Oh, he reached out. But but well, I thought how finney was just one of the first people to respond 01:42:43.380 --> 01:42:44.780 Uh, exactly because 01:42:45.400 --> 01:42:47.640 But why is he why is it if I go to a forum? 01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:54.060 If I go to a forum and I put something out and i'm reaching out to someone then I start explaining to that person something 01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:55.160 um 01:42:55.920 --> 01:43:01.280 That's someone who's outside my inner circle because my inner circle already knows what i'm working on. Does that make sense? 01:43:02.020 --> 01:43:07.860 Right, right. They're my homies. They're at home with me. Right. I wouldn't I wouldn't I don't I'm not gonna waste my time 01:43:07.860 --> 01:43:10.680 Rehashing the same conversations. I'm having with them here 01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:12.440 Out there 01:43:12.900 --> 01:43:13.620 so no 01:43:14.440 --> 01:43:19.660 Anyone satoshi reached out to and had conversations with out in the open in any form or any email 01:43:20.180 --> 01:43:23.720 Was not part of team satoshi. They were outside of the inner circle 01:43:25.400 --> 01:43:30.360 Right, okay. Uh speaking prove me wrong. Yeah. No, well, it's like, you know 01:43:31.280 --> 01:43:32.340 He probably had 01:43:33.080 --> 01:43:34.860 20 other banshees, you know 01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:42.160 It'd be like layers of of you know deception to try to make it seem like he was having conversations with himself and 01:43:42.160 --> 01:43:45.720 How finney obviously denied that he was satoshi. His wife denied it 01:43:46.380 --> 01:43:47.620 No, not really bro 01:43:48.160 --> 01:43:55.520 Not really not really because there's uh, there is there are people who are very close to the architecture of bitcoin 01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:57.820 Who you never hear people talk about 01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:04.920 They're never out there and i'll give you an example of the two guys who are most quoted in the bitcoin white paper 01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:07.860 They were quoted. They were cited three times 01:44:08.460 --> 01:44:11.880 Okay, way die was cited once uh adam back was cited once 01:44:12.380 --> 01:44:15.980 Uh, and then some other dude was cited once but there's two dudes 01:44:15.980 --> 01:44:20.600 Haber and stornetta who were the creators of the first blockchain ever 01:44:21.230 --> 01:44:27.360 They were cited three times on the bitcoin white paper and notice how nobody talks about them 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:32.640 Yeah, it's harsh mom's the word mom's the word about those guys 01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:39.240 Why and this is my question to everyone anytime someone wants me to focus some somewhere 01:44:40.180 --> 01:44:45.140 Why do they want me to focus in that direction? What are they trying to keep me from looking at in this direction? 01:44:45.700 --> 01:44:51.120 Whenever someone tells me hey bro, don't you know, you shouldn't study that or they shame me for even talking about a certain topic 01:44:51.120 --> 01:44:52.520 That's what i'm gonna go study 01:44:53.620 --> 01:44:55.320 That's how you're an independent thinker 01:44:55.320 --> 01:44:56.780 Dude and if you have 01:44:57.820 --> 01:45:02.060 If you're an independent the the key to profit is what i tell my subscribers 01:45:02.060 --> 01:45:05.440 I'm gonna give you guys is having differential knowledge 01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:10.260 If you don't have differential knowledge, you're you're just another sheep amongst the masses 01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:16.360 That will never be profitable because you're you're just doing and living what others are saying 01:45:16.360 --> 01:45:20.460 What the what they want what they're feeding you you have to really think for yourself 01:45:21.820 --> 01:45:24.620 For sure. I knew it was coming differential knowledge 01:45:24.620 --> 01:45:29.340 He's got all these like coined terms. I feel like that. I only ever heard here from raff 01:45:29.780 --> 01:45:32.780 One of them earlier fullness of bitcoin people were putting in the chat 01:45:32.780 --> 01:45:38.120 The other one I heard you drop was uh, you know the the crypto is a toolbox different tools for different purposes 01:45:38.120 --> 01:45:44.000 Like there's all these great analogies that that you give that some of them don't even really sink in until I hear you say 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:49.920 I'm 10 times and then it just like clicks one day, but um, no, I I love talking to you raff 01:45:50.360 --> 01:45:52.080 It's been it's been awesome. I know 01:45:52.840 --> 01:45:59.140 Adam might be looking at the russian alex behind the camera and wondering if they're going to make the 01:45:59.980 --> 01:46:04.220 In time for wherever they go get their after party a beer special at but 01:46:04.740 --> 01:46:09.580 One thing let me pull up that that you reminded me was sal sent me before the show tonight 01:46:09.580 --> 01:46:12.740 um a link that he went back and forth with 01:46:14.120 --> 01:46:14.980 Craig right 01:46:16.080 --> 01:46:21.160 On twitter, let me just see if you can guys can see this sal posted now whatever it's got the 01:46:21.160 --> 01:46:23.120 He posted a cbdc 01:46:23.120 --> 01:46:25.320 meme with the my tank man background 01:46:25.870 --> 01:46:31.120 With the tanks are the cbdcs and then the tank man right there. You can see him 01:46:31.570 --> 01:46:34.920 Is the zano logo? So that was the meme that sal posted 01:46:35.610 --> 01:46:40.340 And he triggered a response from craig right's twitter account or s tomanaga who 01:46:40.860 --> 01:46:45.800 Is apparently craig right that's a comedian, right? He's a comedian though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, who knows 01:46:46.480 --> 01:46:50.020 Craig bought three thousand and they went back and forth a few times 01:46:50.020 --> 01:46:54.600 And it's a great thread that I was thinking maybe of reading on the show and and getting your guys's reaction 01:46:54.600 --> 01:47:01.520 But anyway, you know, we'll save it because sal actually messaged me is like, hey, maybe we can bring craig on the show 01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:03.500 I see he follows you you should hit him up and invite him 01:47:04.120 --> 01:47:05.440 So that would be pretty epic 01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:11.180 Because those interviews don't happen all too often, but they're they're always entertaining as well 01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:17.880 The man who claims to be satoshi nakamoto or the only man in the world who is legally not satoshi nakamoto 01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:22.080 How do you square those together to me? That's a pretty eyebrow raising, but 01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:29.240 Yeah, uh, let's see anything else we need to cover before we sort of wind down here you guys 01:47:29.240 --> 01:47:34.960 I would go all night here. Yeah, especially since we lost a little time here, but yeah, um 01:47:36.860 --> 01:47:37.500 I 01:47:37.500 --> 01:47:47.980 Shout out to go to um agorathreads.com. Yeah, agorathreads.com for all your liberty gear hats shirts 01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:50.000 All that kind of good stuff 01:47:50.680 --> 01:47:52.680 Check out zano.org 01:47:53.060 --> 01:47:57.180 We talked about zano if you didn't know where to find them. It's a zano 01:47:58.060 --> 01:47:58.700 Dot 01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:00.720 Whatever dot org 01:48:01.480 --> 01:48:05.680 We've got uh, followed adam on twitch, right? Are you going to be uh, 01:48:06.580 --> 01:48:10.540 I can tell them guys to follow me. I've not been streaming 01:48:11.180 --> 01:48:17.460 I'm kind of slacken right now. I'm on twitter then. Yeah, follow me on twitter though guys at um irish adam gaming 01:48:17.460 --> 01:48:18.780 You can catch me over there 01:48:20.240 --> 01:48:25.740 Good stuff. Yeah, um, of course check out the crypto vigilante save 10 percent with code sal 01:48:26.420 --> 01:48:29.780 If you're planning on going to the bitcoin 2025 right now 01:48:30.280 --> 01:48:34.480 In los vegas, uh, save 10 percent with coupon code sal 2025 01:48:35.300 --> 01:48:42.420 And yeah, we're here every wednesday 7 30 eastern time. Um, I think uh, I might be back 01:48:43.020 --> 01:48:47.620 If not next week eventually at some point. Um, and uh, 01:48:48.260 --> 01:48:55.180 Raphael, I'm sure we'll be back soon too. So this has been really fun. You guys. Um, thanks for thanks for joining me guys 01:48:55.640 --> 01:49:00.720 Yeah, and helping me hold down the fort here while that sal's off fighting the good fight 01:49:00.720 --> 01:49:04.760 It was it was a lot of fun guys. Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed my time 01:49:05.500 --> 01:49:10.540 Awesome, man. Thank you raff. Uh, thanks everybody. Cheers you guys. We'll see you next week 01:49:11.140 --> 01:49:15.300 And on that note, I think we're done here right go do some good in the world y'all 01:49:16.020 --> 01:49:17.360 peace love anarchy 01:49:18.460 --> 01:49:21.820 Now we are dealing with a possible world war 01:49:21.820 --> 01:49:28.880 Some will say we are already in a world war my condolences and prayers go out to everyone suffering under tyranny 01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:30.900 It really sucks. I'm really sorry 01:49:30.900 --> 01:49:35.880 But it seems as if people are starting to wake up regarding crypto more and more each day 01:49:35.880 --> 01:49:41.960 And so it's in the description right here to read where we give our secret sauce and what we teach our subscribers 01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:45.980 Because things are just that bad. You know, everyone needs this information 01:49:45.980 --> 01:49:53.900 People need to know about sound cryptocurrencies that are actually private by default and to know how to properly use crypto