We've got some last minute, you know change ups obviously as you can see
And of course, let me just go over to I don't want to neglect bringing wrath into the conversation
So he's kind enough to actually step in and hang out with us for for the whole show tonight
So doing things a little bit different tonight. We're trying to make Sal proud
But yeah GM to our friends in the comments go ahead and post any questions you have if you don't know who crypto
vigilante are
It's a team that Raphael started with Jeff Berwick way back in the days. They are the
premier crypto
Membership that you can get all the crypto insights that you would really need from
Everything obviously like technical analysis stuff that people want to know about for trading
But really the important stuff fundamental analysis
And then operational security right like all the how do you actually maneuver the crypto landscape without tripping yourself up?
because
Yeah, so when Rafa, you know, he's a known person on you know, Twitter on the whole crypto space
He's probably seen him at speak at conferences if you've ever been to a crypto event
But there's been a lot going on lately that
Rafa and I have been discussing that is always interesting to watch when the
Crypto community is fighting with each other
Over things and sometimes it's dumb and sometimes it's pretty significant. So
Adam, of course, you guys know is sort of the
non-political non crypto guy who really rounds out the show by
Allowing us to kind of bring things down to
To you know, ground level normal
Thank you booking understand. Yeah. Thank you Adam. I feel like bring us back down to earth, bro
Since starting this podcast, I've learned a lot and you know, what's funny is I
Am an anarchist without knowing it this whole time pretty much, you know, I agree with basically everything
That we talk about on here and it was just a case of really
Not realizing it but just logically it made sense to me, you know, so
Yeah, amen, so
Yeah, actually, why don't we get into that right away with with wrath? Why don't you tell us your sort of story?
For those who maybe are not familiar with you
I don't think we've ever really done this. So we're like I'm interviewing you like we're like, you know pretty good
friends for years now and
I know your story, but I imagine that there's a lot of people who don't so why don't you just kind of briefly tell
The audience who you are and then a little bit about, you know, crypto vigilante
So I fell in love with Bitcoin in 2012
Studying Austrian economics with a group at the University of Texas called the Mises circle a lot of OG
Bitcoiners that are now very famous and important people in the space were part of that group including
For example, the girl who passed away that is that was the founder of coin telegraph
So shout out to coin telegraph
Michael Goldstein Pierre Rochard was a big influence in BTC right now
He is one of the reasons why Michael sailor got into Bitcoin
So I got into Bitcoin with with these guys, you know as we were studying Austrian economics
also the emperor of Bitcoin himself the father of
Bitcoin maximalism and
and also the father of hyperbic coinization Daniel Kraywitz
Jimmy song was among stars like we had a real cool vibe real cool team and
I
I looked up to Jeff because Jeff Berwick it was someone who who
Was like a lone wolf out there speaking and preaching the good news of of freedom that they don't teach you about in mainstream and
I met him at a conference in
in
Florida at the at a Miami event for I remember of italic
had his first presentation on Ethereum and
After that presentation Jeff and I got to know one another and Jeff
You know the friendship kept going and we thought about creating
The Bitcoin vigilante the crypto vigilante and then I went off to do other things in in crypto
I went to work in Wall Street for a while. I was part of the bit angels network
One of the first founding members of the bit angels network where we source capital for all of the early
Bitcoin startups and crypto startups and then from there, you know the you know
I've always been very
Focused on this idea, which is it's important in order for crypto and in Bitcoin to thrive
You really have to educate the people so the technology is not really in the machines themselves
But in our minds and so if we educate people on these technologies
You're you're you're growing the capacity of these technologies themselves because these technologies require for
Us as individuals to really embrace them and in order to embrace them you really have to know how to use these technologies
So like you said at the crypto vigilante, we focus on on the I like to say the what when and
How the what when and how what is this technology?
What what are these blockchains? What is the difference between all of these networks? What do they offer? That is the what?
The when is a technical analysis
When do I buy? When do I sell? That's a very important question for anyone that wants to preserve value or make money
So we are very fortunate to have on our team
The crew that started that first charted Bitcoin and Bitcoin talk forums in 20 in 2010
So these guys a lot of Bitcoin OGs may not may you remember the name of Bull bear analytics or the Bitcoin bull bear
Was the other original name? Well, that is who our TA is so the Bitcoin bull bear
Bull bear analytics is the crypto vigilante
On the TA front and so we have a collective group of analysts at TCV where we
we we we go come to everything from an Austrian economics perspective and
We engage crypto from that perspective that allows us to have almost like
X-ray vision because when you understand Austrian economics, you realize that
The economy is something that is P2P in its nature
are they the the economy is all about voluntary exchange and
Bitcoin was created for that world to augment our natural human nature. So it's it's something that
That we we champion
it's the backbone of everything we do and what makes us extremely special is that we also focus on precious metals bonds
Just the overall market and we have in our team
Jeff Burwick and and Ed Bougos who focus on on gold and silver
So these guys are like the in my opinion the most badass analysts in the world when it comes to to precious metals and
and the overall market from an Austrian perspective, so
Having that perspective in mind having them as the backbone of
Of our team it allows us to focus on crypto in a very direct way
Where once you make money in crypto the next step is like what do I do with all of this wealth?
Well, you have a team that can give you a wider perspective regarding the the rest of the market
so it really is a labor of love
we're all Bitcoin old geez crypto old geez and
We are driven by an advocacy for teaching people the value of these technologies
Alex, you're still with us. You're still with me. I
Don't see you guys. I'm always here, bro. Yeah, we're just trying to give you the spotlight. Oh
What we are what we offer the market is just that take that because it's crazy to me how like
We're we were we were blessed that we started the crypto vigilante in a time when
was no AI and
Now any the one that you see any commercial that you see on the internet you have to ask yourself
Who is that person? Is that even a real person? Can I trust them?
And and the cool thing about us is that we created a reputation of people who are independent thinkers
Before AI because now if anyone wants to like be an influencer at this level when you are where you are
you know going into deep research on
on what matters most which is like hot and cutting-edge technology that
Empowers the individual. Well, you need to be a trustworthy person and so
The whole that the world can hold accountable, right? Someone that who requires a reputation
and and so we're blessed to have been
that have been started at a time where
There was no AI so we carry that I carry that almost as a big responsibility
Because we are the last we are my team. I consider myself and our team as like the last generation of
Austrian economic analysts that have embraced crypto
In the world because and you know what if you really think about it. Are there any other?
Crypto analysts that come from that pedigree of of like the Austrian school who are talking about crypto
I don't see anyone else. So I carry that responsibility on my shoulders like I really honor
I really honor the place that people have given us in in in their minds in their hearts
Because I know that we carry a lot of responsibility on our shoulders. We really do
And so it's just an honor to be part of that
and
We look forward to cultivating that more into the future and to lend
our
our social capital per se to those people who we know can be
Trusted into the future, right? So it's it's a we're very mission-driven in that regard and and it's something that
About preserving capital and making money, but then the most important thing for me personally is advocacy
so it's it's kind of drawing the fine line between like
This is here and this is making our money, right?
And so it's and it's at the end and some people come to us because they're very interested in the advocacy aspect of things
Others just are here to make money and so to teach people how to embrace these technologies in a way where they can personalize
These technologies I think that is of a lot of value and and and something that people need
You know to have that buffet of technology and how to embrace these technologies
And then be able to accommodate and personalize those technologies in their own personal life
So the what is what are we talking about?
The one went to buy and then the how is operational security something that we take that we're very big on which is like
How do I actually I'll protect myself on the internet with these technologies? So it's um
It's a that right there is in my opinion my my my personal favorite aspect of what we do is the opposite aspect of what we do
So that's that's the crypto vigilante in a nutshell guys and you can sign up to for the free newsletter at crypto vigilante that I own
This was a Twitter space is I would do the clap audio sound effect right now
I need to figure out how to get a sound board on put me on the spot, bro
I wasn't expecting that
Click that we're gonna post that as a whole segment good shit Adam. What's your response? Yeah, um, I mean like
With crypto up until you know more recently for me, you know, I wasn't in crypto
I always saw it as I mean they make they make it seem like it's just to get rich quick scheme, you know
But the more I've looked at it. It's it's truly a way to kind of free yourself from
The government essentially, you know, they your tax dollars are going to you know
God only knows where for war and whatever else, you know, that's not something you you signed up for and
these private coins especially
They give you, you know a way out of that another way to
you know
Not be a part of the this shitty system, you know, so
But the the side effect is there is a lot of you can make money with it and that's great
It's just an extra little side effect of it. Yeah, the issue is when the side effect becomes the main focus
Yeah, and then it totally flips the the whole thing from what it was designed and intended to be and now we're like
Yay, Bankster coins and CBDCs and stuff and all of this is good for crypto
And it's like, you know, it's great because it used to be a meme
We would respond to anything with this is good for Bitcoin. Yeah
And if it was bad then it would be like Bitcoin fixes this, right?
And so that's actually the the little post that we put out in promotion of this episode because you know Sal's been big in
into
All the foreign policy
Bullshit that's going on with all the Middle Eastern conflicts and bombings and babies dying and it's it's awful and
You know, I think about, you know, we're always talking about free Roger Ver and he was like
man, what a compelling voice for you know, how
Crypto and Bitcoin can actually like really improve the world right because he was the guy who was like
You know breaking down and in tears talking about how, you know
More babies will die if this is prolonged longer and longer like you guys don't realize like and it's like libertarians
Yeah, we can make the connection. It's like fix the money fix the world like, you know
But what's the in-between process and you know now? It's uh?
Yeah, it's a big casino and Trump coin and and hot to a
I would say I would say that that's still good for Bitcoin that that's still good for crypto the
So this is like where education comes in you
Have to realize that the world is gonna want to join these technologies and and anyone can join these technologies. They're open source
the
Question now is now that we have all this infusion of capital coming in nation states and corporations embracing Bitcoin
If you really think about it, it's not like we're losing power
No, we see the people have the upper hand. Why because
these technologies are inherently for to be person-to-person P2P and
What the central planners want and what banksters want and what a fintech and big tech want is they want to
Continue being the the middleman between every transaction where there would be data or whether it be fine a financial transaction
And since they want to be the middleman that is their Achilles heel, right?
They always want to take a cut and because they're they're there and they want to take that cut that actually works against their and their
They're their bottom-lying long term because
Anytime anytime they approach approximate crypto or they embrace Bitcoin. They're actually
They're they're they're becoming the
I forget the term but the the horse the show horse that you put out before the real horse
that's what they're doing and so
That only means that a people that's people embrace it breaks these technologies
They're going to discover that they have superpowers for the individual for us P2P and no matter what happens
We're always going to be able to provide and serve each other
Whereas they positioning themselves as the middleman. They will always be working against
their own self-interest in a way because
They're not embraced by their nature
They cannot embrace the fullness of these technologies whereas the rest of the world can and and I think that's something that
Needs to be emphasized and the only way to like bridge that gap is with education
Yeah, like they see it as a business, you know, I have a perfect example
Where the like this is an issue just using, you know, the dollar
Having moved from Ireland to the States. I still had money in an Irish account
I still had some bills to pay back home. I was trying to send my myself money
I had to pay like the change currency and then a
Transaction fee to send myself money through the same account like it was ridiculous and
And something like crypto would have alleviated that problem
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it this extends
Really to every aspect of our lives now that everything is becoming digital. So
There is see so I'm driven by the advocacy of it, right? Because if we don't educate people to really, you know
Embrace these technologies in the way that is most beneficial for them
Then you always have these middlemen
These middlemen these companies this this PayPal this MasterCard and as the longer you have these companies around
The more that it is to their benefit that you are ignorant and that you are
demoralized and feel
Helpless to do anything about this situation
But the reality is is that these technologies are there for all of us to cook and make money in ways that they can't
See that's the thing our business model p2p will always be more profitable for us than
The p to business to p which is what they're always trying to sell you with a second layer
So we we always have the upper hand and we will always have the upper hand
I was just talking to you Alex about this last night. Remember you're having this conversation and
The great conversation at like three in the morning. Yeah, and you were saying
And I was what I was trying to explain to you was like no matter what happened
Let's say, you know, you have BlackRock buying Bitcoin you have, you know, all of these you have Michael Saylor
You have Wall Street buying Bitcoin
They still lack
The the incentive structure within them to fully be to fully embrace these technologies making all they're doing is infusing us with
with
validation and
and capital for us to to just create and so
They won't be able to compete with what the grassroots of crypto native people will be creating
Does that make sense? You guys understand that like and this is like something forever
It's set up that way and I think that was a genius of of these technologies
is that they won't be able to compete with what with the efficiency the speed and and the
The the the privacy and the ownership and the security that you can have
When you interact directly within a blockchain, they'll never be able to compete with that
Although they they're struggling to that's really what's happening. They're struggling to compete to remain relevant
That's the whole thing that's happening with Saylor. That's everything that's happening with the government embracing Bitcoin and crypto
They're just trying to remain relevant relevant, but we live in a moment in time now where what's relevant is
Bitcoin what's relevant is what is done with it with a blockchain
And if you're not on top if you're not at the top of that you're you're no longer relevant
Does that make sense because like any entrepreneur at this moment in time can grab the best of blockchains and create something
Viral that can outcompete master card and visa. I know it sounds crazy to a lot of people listening to this
But that the mechanics are there the the ingredients are there. You just got to create the recipes in and run with them
Dude, I love I love listening to you because it gets me
Every time excited about you know, like just as I ever was and I have been very passionate about crypto
And it's potential to change the world and you're one of those people who you know has champ championed that
loudest and proudest and you know them and in the best but
My issue is still like, you know, we'll get into it more after we watch this air and day interview because I'm sure they're
Gonna get into it and we're gonna want to talk a little bit about some of the stuff that they
You know that it ties all back in but you said the ingredients are all there
and I'm like yes, but arguably the ingredients have been there for like 10 years and
You know the powers that shouldn't be have to done a pretty damn good job of
Keeping, you know those ingredients freakin sugar-coated and poisoned and whatever you want to analogy
So, you know, it's like freakin when dude, I want hyper big quantization tomorrow today
That's exactly their game plan is scared now. They're feeling their whole slipping, you know
Exactly, that's why they're trying to crack down on people like, you know, Roger
and you know because
They're proving that this works, you know, the the leaders on this and
Yeah, they can't have that, you know, the government don't want that happening, you know too many people are listening
Yeah, so before we go into that interview, I do want to ask Rafe a question
Instead of just shouting out the sponsors
I actually don't know what his answer is gonna be. We've never personally
Talked about this coin really it might have come up briefly, but
Sal loves Zano, you might have seen him promoting it as the solution to all the world's problems
That's a you know, quite of a statement. I think I don't know if that's verbatim
But no, it's his favorite coin as he says lately, right?
So shout out to Zano because they they you know support the show
So, you know, it's it's important for shows like this to be supported
But I understand it to be Sal got me to make a wallet. Obviously, we're big privacy coin advocates
So, you know, of course like Monero
You know is is a longtime favorite a classic, but
The coolest, you know, interesting thing of appeal to from when I hear about Zano is like, oh, it's like Monero plus
Ethereum right it's like smart contracts and all that stuff you can like build things with and do tokens and
XYZ, you know, like you can do with Solana and all these other things, but
But it's all privacy privacy by default by default. So, you know, I haven't really dug deep into it
But I'm curious to know Raphael if it's something that your team has explored and what you're 100%
I I got into Zano. We got into Zano
Like two or three years ago I
Interviewed their their top dev who was the only person that still is in conversations with the
Founder of the creator of the crypto note protocol Nicholas von Saber Hagen who gave us Monero essentially
so
Yeah, I we've been following and and and been championing Zano for the longest time
I way before and way before this past year that Zano became really popular
Just go to the crypto vigilante YouTube and you'll see that it's been like over two years
Almost three years that I interviewed them. So, yeah, no, we like Zano. I think I think that this is a very rational
you know step in in crypto history and
It's good to see it's good to see that the privacy
world is expanding beyond just tokens beyond just
Using it as digital cash like pirate chain like Monero, but rather that now we're talking about creating
Having token protocols running on the blockchain. I think that's important. I
Told Sal bro, why don't you make a meme coin because I think
Adam said it like live on the show last week or whatever. He's like I would buy a Sal meme coin
I'm like bro because Sal's been saying you can make tokens and meme coins on Zano
And I'm like why don't I hit him up after the show. I was like, bro, why don't we do it?
He's like nah, I'm like, I know I know I know it's like it's so scammy feeling immediately, right?
But no, there's interesting things that you can do, you know, it's all about you know coming up with utility
Designing something to not be a rug which you know, those are those are hard to find, right?
Yeah, sure is because you know inherently it's just like well, I mean by nature
It's like just buy this thing and sell it later. So there's always users
But hey, that's that's that's what they that's what they want all crypto to seem like like it's just a scam and it's no
Real use don't don't use it. Just use the dollar. Yeah, you know, you're safe with with the dollar
You know, that's that's what they've been saying cozy. Yeah. All right, you guys
Well get cozy because we're about to run this interview. I think now is a good time for us to
kick back and listen to
the conversation that just recently took place between our
host Sal and
Aaron day
Raf you've interviewed Aaron day before while I get this video queued up
Yeah, can you give him a quick little introduction for the audience even though we'll probably see that in the beginning of the interview?
I mean Aaron is a person who has been championing freedom for many years
He's a warrior
That's the best way to put it. He's a warrior and
He was very much involved in
The Bitcoin civil war as well
He was a big blocker and also always a privacy advocate as well. He ran for government
He ran for presidents of the United States actually in this last election
He was a candidate to the to be president of the US
And it was because of him in writing his book on CBT sees that
What's the name of the Indian guy who was very close to Trump?
The back the back he gave the back his book and he taught the back about the dangers of CBT sees and
And that's what really created a platform around Trump for the Trump administration to be against CBT sees so
I think that is
That's very commendable, and I'm really happy. I can't wait to hear this interview damn. That's awesome
I didn't even realize that about Aaron. He is a freaking badass. All right, let's do it. You guys ready?
I'm ready. Let's go. Let's go. Enjoy everybody. Here we go
Let's see
All right
The one lonely and a thank you for coming on man appreciate your time
my pleasure
We have a lot to discuss because there's been a lot of news in the Xano ecosystem
I don't know where to start honestly
Xano X.io is a new sort of project this month that sort of debuted where you can buy gift cards
using Xano and
You know one more step towards retail adoption
You have that WooCommerce plug-in which
looks pretty cool
which sort of fills a gap because
It really wasn't possible to
except Xano
And like an e-commerce setting prior to that now
No, no, there was no way to do it and a lot and in fact a lot of people were waiting for now payments
to integrate Xano which was
Pretty far along the process and then it because of these rules in the EU
They decided to back out a privacy coin
So so this is a way for anybody with you know, we'll come but you know, it's pretty pretty helpful to be able to
Consider like eight million installs of WooCommerce. So hopefully this will help with adoption in a big way
I
Heard of X that's actually news to me. I'm shocked by that
Yeah, is that even launch? Well, it's actually really because actually it's it's just this month
It was it's pretty cool because now you can buy gift cards and stuff which
You know look every you know the WooCommerce plug-in the
It's it sort of sucks in crypto because we've been playing this gift card game forever
But the WooCommerce plug-in
It's sort of one step towards direct retail adoption. There's also the
Freedom dollar
Which is another sort of step in the same direction because now, you know, one of the biggest obstacles for merchants
One of the biggest causes for the reluctance is the volatility of cryptocurrency. So now they're able to convert into freedom dollars, which
you know, it's not
personally, I've always felt that a
Coin whose value is tied to the whims of a central bank or is by definition unstable
But you know, I understand a lot of merchants want to hold dollars
So, you know, it's just fill the hole in the in the in the market
Well, yeah, a lot of merchants. I mean, this is why I'm doing the goldback token as well. They actually want to move away
From fiat all together
But I think an algorithmic stablecoin is it's gonna be good to have a wide range of options
Right thing for people. No doubt. No, I'm with you though
I think the the the goldback stablecoin is is better the only trouble that you know, you can be run into and something like that is
there's the
Time-tested issue with gold has always been confiscability. You know, I mean, so
You know, it's there's gives and takes no matter what no matter which way you go
But that's the thing no matter what the state does we will be there with an alternative option
You know if the merchants want stablecoins and dollars we have that and if not they can have it in gold, you know
Yeah, we're gonna need to have you know multiple versions of these things
but I thought it was great that that the stablecoin launched and
You know, I was giving it away
And and I will integrate it to one of the other things as I'm building a point of sale system
So the the plug-in was just one piece of it the other but we're missing point of sale systems entirely for
Crypto, I mean bit bit pay was captured so they don't do anything related to privacy and
This has happened with all of the other point of sale systems or they've been run out by the feds
Which is what happened with with any pay
So we actually do not have an easy to use point of sale system that accepts multiple privacy coins right now
There isn't so I know and if you're trying to yeah, and if you're trying to onboard new merchants
This is actually my hang-up for launching the gold back token because I viewed
It's basically a swapping function where you know
The merchant wants to be able to take multiple cryptocurrencies
But they only want to be paid and you know the gold token or more say as a stablecoin
And so I was really planning on using one of the existing point of sale systems and a swapping service to use that to
Get the coin into circulation and when now payments fell through I realized well in order for this to really work
I'm just gonna have to build a point of sale system. I didn't it wasn't my intention to have to build one. I mean along
all I want to do is promote these things and
Successful in the marketplace. So the only time I would build something is if no one else is building it and it's absolutely necessary
So that's kind of where I fell out on well the freedom dollar FUSD is
To my knowledge, it's the it's the first
I
Privacy-backed stable I don't know are there other stable coins that are run on privacy chains. I don't think there are
Not that I'm aware of and and certainly not I mean the great thing about this is you can even though
It's a privacy coin. You can actually see because it's using audible watch. You can actually see
What's backing that you can see the circulation of the coin itself and you can see what's actually backing it
So it's it has a lot of remarkable
bursts
With it and so it's actually yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the first yeah
And and a lot of people are not gonna want to wade into this
I mean you would you need to do it in this kind of an algorithmic
Fashion because the government is targeting algorithmic stable coins
Specifically in fact, there's a stable bill and a genius bill going through Congress right now
Both don't are anti stable coins, but the stable bill in particular puts a two-year moratorium makes any
Stable coins illegal for two years. So they are going after it. It's not just privacy stable coins
They're going after any stable. You know, like other people quite
Well, they're so there are carve-outs
So my opinion on this is that the whole purpose of the legislation is
to structure a situation where
Basically JP Morgan or somebody has to large has to buy tether and somebody has to buy circle and that's a large
Fed federally regulated financial institution because that's what they put in there in terms of the barriers
You have to be this kind of institution. You have to be subject to these kinds of audit requirements
So on and so forth. So I think
My whole point of the whole time is that stable coins are backdoor CBDCs and they're using this legislation to basically corral
USDC and tether into large financial institutions and now so unfortunately
I'm getting really pissed off seeing everybody celebrate
That oh, there's gonna be 330 billion dollars of liquidity and everything else. It's like you're cheering on CBDCs
Europe is looking to launch
The EU is looking to launch a CBDC in October of this year
Well, this basically is just now it's an arms race as to who can get there sooner and basically the Trump administration is saying
Well, our CBDC will be there faster because we're basically going to co-opt the existing
You know stable coins that already have momentum and use in the marketplace and so people are cheering this like it's some kind of freedom play
And it's not a freedom play all CBDCs are now accelerating in development. And so it's it's not a great situation
So having a privacy
stable coin alternative is
Exactly what we need and hopefully people will understand this sooner rather than later and start moving into it instead of you know
thinking that's you know tether or
USDC are safe because they're not I mean these coins get seized and frozen all of the time
So these are not viable alternative. You need something that sent that's actually
Resistant and private so this to my knowledge is f USD is the only only game in town
So that you essentially guys you're not going to have a choice
But to move into into f USD because
They're co-opting as Aaron just said these these existing stable coins
And you know Rothbard said that when they when they sort of heavily regulate
In industry, let's call it stable coins of it for the for the sake of a conversation
What they essentially do is they cartelize the market by creating these barriers to entry
So it only a handful of players are able to you know access
Market share which I guess you know in this case would be whatever tether circle and you know, maybe one or two others, but
They're essentially
cartilizing the stable coin market
Which you know
Of course like the freedom dollar can bypass that but what it can't bypass is the
devaluation of the dollar and
That's you know only something like only something like a gold back stable coin
You know I or something along those lines swing based on a market commodity rather than fiat
Currency can provide, you know
Complete protection from the state
Yeah, I mean that's true. Although from my perspective, I mean I like playing around with a stable coin
But I think I think Zeno is gonna do pretty well. So I don't even want to write it
I like where Zeno is going anyway
So I don't want to hold anything in stables anyway, but hey
But that's just a soul opinion. I'm with you a hundred percent
I'd rather go with the value of Zeno than the value of obviously the USD
But even I think Zeno will be probably even do better than gold in the in the future
Other moves real quick ascend EX has now listed Zeno you can
Withdraw without having to access KYC
Same thing on trade ogre
So that is another development in the Zeno ecosystem
I saw your screen back there. You had the confidential layer
Yeah, what is what is clone?
Clone is a token for
Confidential layer. I honestly don't know much about it. I don't I don't hold any of it
So I'm not gonna be
Well-versed in speaking about that, but I but I know that the way
Confidential layer works is they're like 60 or something nodes. So nobody holds, you know, any any private key when you're when you're essentially
Locking your Bitcoin or whatever the other coin is and I think that this coin is just used to incentivize
People in the ecosystem for actually doing the bridging, but I couldn't speak to any of the
Mechanics of it or economics of it at all, right, right? So there's clone and there's bridge and I'm not entirely certain either
I know that there's a clone airdrop on
May 13th. I blew it or something like that and that's
Your last chance to get involved. I think if you go to the Zeno
X account they will have more information about bridge where I think if you complete a certain number of tasks and
I'll throw I'll make sure it's in the show notes for this episode guys
But if you complete a certain number of tasks by a certain date
You qualify for X amount of like an airdrop
from bridge so
Yeah, lots going on did I miss anything any other news and Zeno that I should know that was Zeno Bay
Oh, yes, how do I miss that one?
So that so that's a good one. So now we have a
Huge that that is huge
So I I put my book up there and that's going to be a great opportunity and way for people to do trade
You know, it's kind of silk road except on Zeno, but exactly, you know, illegal products. So that so that launched
And I think that that's great because I with with all of these things
Well, you know once you have
You're either FUSD or you have your bridged Bitcoin or whatever in the confidential layer
You're still going to need places to be able to spend those things
So between a marketplace and a point-of-sale system and then getting these plugins working with, you know
WooCommerce and everything else
Hopefully we can start to create an ecosystem where people are gonna have to spend less time dealing with any kind of
Exchange and people can just start to begin to trade amongst themselves nearly various
Mechanisms and that's what I'm the most excited about because right now. I'm giving a talk in Amsterdam
I actually somehow I'm giving two talks on two panels and so one of them. I'm gonna actually be highlighting
These Zeno developments and so I'm glad you told me about Zeno X because I gotta put that in the presentation now
And actually want to play around with it. This is really exciting because I actually I've been using Monero
With cake pay that that's that's how I've been buying gift certificates
But now that I see this if I can if I can actually buy these gift certificates
I'm seeing this there's a lot of overlap here
So like so Uber Eats. So I'm going to
Would be in Amsterdam that Uber Eats. So I'm gonna I'm gonna check this out. I'm gonna buy it
I'm gonna buy a new gift certificate with Zeno. This is this is perfect. This is I'm very excited about this and
Yeah, I will be at the same conference. This will be our our last zoom meeting before we meet in person
And I'm I think I'm speaking about crypto anarchism and agorism and also on a panel
With you and Joelle about Roger's case and as well
I think I'm on another panel now about like cypher punk
Cypher punk some privacy so
If you're in Amsterdam guys, we're gonna be there ETH damn May 9th through 11th, it's gonna be a good time
We'll have to you know get dinner or something man. It's about time. We meet face-to-face, you know
Yeah, I'm actually really looking forward to I'm gonna be I'm still fasting. So I'm not breaking my fast till
One thing in the morning technically on May 10th. So so okay, I'm I'm looking
I'm looking forward to that by the way. This is it's getting a little old now on day 37. So
Tell me about
You're doing a 40-day fast rate of tension for Roger beer's case
And you haven't eaten anything in how long?
37 days my god, man, I
Give you credit. How does it feel? How are you feeling? I
Mean the first 21 days are actually good
I actually had a period of time for like a week where I got six months worth of work done the last
Week has actually been kind of hellish
And usually when you're fasting once you are fully in ketosis and everything you're not hungry
But actually yesterday started yesterday. I'm actually hungry. So that's a that's a different
component to it. So that's I'm not sure why that's
Why that's happening because I should I shouldn't be hungry. I should be fully still in ketosis
But my I feel like my IQ is down by 30 points. So I'm looking forward to
Actually refeeding because at this point, I'm not I'm not productive
Like if I I'm working on this point of cell system if I can do 10 minutes worth of work
Then I have to stop like lay down for a while. So I I we're at the point past diminishing returns and
you know, I definitely want to hit the hit the milestone and and
And it will bring I actually have a whole bunch of interviews lined up and I've actually told people I'm doing this one
But I've actually stopped doing other interviews just because you know, I have the my normal energy level
So, you know, man, we appreciate that
So it's so sad so that's Saturday the 10th is it was your last day. Well, it's actually it's 1 30 in the morning. Okay, so
So
Like I'm like I'm actually at the point where right now I'm figuring out how to buy girl
I got an apartment hotel thing and because you have to be really careful when you refeed if you eat like if
Why don't eat sugar anyway? But if I if I eat sugar breaking it fast, you could die if you actually don't refeed properly
It's bad news. So I'm like, I've got an apartment. I've got a stove. I'm like ordering
I'm putting, you know bone broth and a whole bunch of other stuff in my shopping cart so that I can have it delivered
And and I may do a I may go live when
Oh, yeah, fast. I don't know that would be cool. I haven't
So that would be one 30 or that'll so that'll be Saturday morning
in Amsterdam
In Amsterdam, okay
Okay, and why so you you you make yourself a meal and then it's back to regular eating or it takes you a little while to get into
Your normal diet, whatever you were eating previously
Well, I mean, I'll change up my diet, but it's it's it'll probably take two days
it's gonna be you know bone broth with vegetables and then maybe I'll and sauerkraut to
Repopulate gut bacteria. I'll do that for a day or so then maybe introduce eggs
But probably by day two or so I I'll be ready to get a meal an actual
Reasonable meal offer stands. Maybe, you know, maybe Monday morning or Sunday night
I can I can buy a dinner or breakfast or whatever you're feeling up to it
But I commend you for the fast. You're like, I'm telling you like the modern-day Gandhi. That's really what it is
That's what Gandhi did to draw attention to
The maltreatment of the British and that's what you're doing for the world in the crypto
So as far as I'm concerned you're a hero for doing it
Well, I appreciate that. I just I just hope it works. It's I you know, it's
Reading to me. I honestly thought that Roger would have his thing resolved before this fast was done
So the fact that it's still going on and that's now it's pushed out to like
June the 23rd is hearing and everything. It's just I whatever I it's hard to try to raise awareness
There's so much noise going on everywhere about just random crap and the stuff that actually gets attention is not in my opinion
At least important, but but what what does draw all the noise is is all of this other stuff
And so how do you take a situation like Rogers?
Which is somewhat complex and actually get people to focus attention on it
So I hope this would do something but I mean, you know, whether it does or whether it doesn't we still need to
Keep up the pressure because I don't know how we can bond he's got a lot of stuff on her desk
None of it seems to be going anywhere
I don't know how we get this to the top of the pile so that you know something actually happens
And bondy is useless as tits on a bowl
You know, she she can't she's been sitting on a list of pedophiles for eight for you know
I don't even know how long at this point weeks more than a month
So useless as far as I'm concerned, but yeah, Roger's case got postponed until the 23rd of June guys
That's in LA if you can be there should be there to show up
If you're available, we want to put we want to put as much pressure on these people as possible
Of course free Roger now.org to sign the petition
Yeah, I was also hoping that this was gonna get resolved by now
I'm still confident though that this will be thrown out
before long
Yeah, no, I am confident to I should say it's it's the you know
How much more of his life are they going to really the way and and and halt with this right? I mean
You know, there's a lot of other things seem to be going faster a lot of other crypto things have been have been resolved
And so, you know, I I'm optimistic overall
It's just that the sooner the better because yeah, we need we need Roger back and Roger needs life back
Yeah, no doubt about it, you know every day
He's occupied with the purse his own persecutions
It is a moment that he can't spend, you know building the tools that we need, you know for financial sovereignty
Which is what he's he's good at so
Yeah, you know fingers crossed the deck has taken care of soon
What else here that's basically all I had to go over with you man
Is there anything you want to throw in here before we wrap it up?
No, just that I you know, I recommend that people really look into Zeno and start and start using it
I mean, it's not even so much about buying it as it is, you know
Download a wallet and and start playing around with it start playing around with these tools, you know
Zeno Bay and and just use the wallet itself and but you know create an asset
it's really easy to do it's it's inexpensive and
You know get out of these existing systems and centralized exchanges and everything else because
We do not have a lot of time like I people, you know when I started doing all this stuff
People were worried about the election happen and now people in place not realizing that CVDCs are not coming faster
They're gonna try to pass the stable genius bill in the Senate like this week
I think and so we're gonna have this stablecoin legislation probably by August or September
Which means that's a backdoor CVDC and the EU are trying to ban privacy coins
So, I mean the writing is on the wall here. So now we have to really focus on
Is this gonna go up and I'm gonna buy this and sit on it and hope it goes up
This is about we need to start using these tools to to engage in day-to-day trade
Completely outside of the system completely in a way that can't be tracked
And so like it's it's not something to wait on
Tools are now there the tools are now there to do this
We have all the building blocks in place, which is we have had when I first started
Working with Zeno and and playing around with it
I mean they just had the mobile wallet and you could create a token
But that wasn't even fully working right with everything else and that was just a year ago
And in a year all of these things have happened
We have all these wallets bitcoin.com and take and all of these new tools
And so so this is actually stuff that is live and functioning
So now it's now it's up to us to figure out how to use it and get adoption going
So I don't see sort of mean that I posted of Tankman at the Tiananmen Square with the CVDCs versus Zeno
But that means it pretty well
I'll put I'll make sure we showed on the air for you guys when Aaron and I wrap up but actually
The the mobile wallet has so many features in it and a lot of these features are now being transferred to the desktop version
Iconic swaps where you can you can swap I can trade you directly P2P from the from the wallet
I don't know if it's Zeno only or if I can trade Zeno for something else
But you can do P2P iconic swaps. There is an encrypted messenger service
Built in to the wallet app as well as a decentralized exchange
I mean you name it
It's a very versatile wallet and a lot of those features are now moving to desktop
It's a matter of time till other wallets expand and adopt the same ones
Very useful old shit ton of utility for
Libertarians and agorists to use
this is the
Probably the most effective tool in our arsenal at this point
Zeno
Yep, I would say hands down one other thing we forgot. There's also an NF private and NFT platform called obscura. Yes
So there's so there's what yeah, we're gonna have to like now now
I mean now we got to keep a running list of this. I mean before it was okay
Well, we this and one or two things and now now it's like, okay, I'm gonna have to actually
Keep tabs on this there's so many so many different things
But to be able to have private NFTs which you can you know, you can use that for gaining entry to events
And there's a lot of things. It's not just you know, here's all kinds of stuff
Gifts that we're gonna, you know
Token eyes and trade. There's actually a lot of interesting applications
And things that you can do with these in a private NFT. So that's just another thing that's launched as well
One of the things that I have one of the ideas I've kicked around for a while
But I could never find an appropriate blockchain for is I
Wasn't this idea like a Dow where?
You know, it's sort of
Based on providing bail relief to agorists which would essentially lower the risk
Calculation for people engaging in counter-economic activity
So if they knew their bail was going to be covered more and more people would be likely to step outside the system
so my idea was let's create a Dow and
You know Ian Freeman gets in trouble for some nonsense
Then we could fund his bail we could fund, you know
His his legal team stuff like that and only token holders would get to vote on that
But I haven't been able to find a blockchain that would that I thought was sufficient
But I think Zeno sort of checks all of the boxes here. So
You know, just another
There's just so much so many so much so much room to grow here guys that
You know, if you're a developer or if you are just an agorist a cypher punk a crypto anarchist. This is the chain
This is the chain to get involved with it's you know late last time we were speaking
I had mentioned that Zeno makes me feel like the old days of crypto again
And it really does it really does I feel like it's 2013 in Bitcoin all over again, you know
Same exactly exactly the same. I say I haven't had this amount of energy and enthusiasm and
And even more applications because it's not just because we're it's not even just here's an alternative
Monetary system. It's it's the ability to tokenize all of the other non monetary assets in a way
It's almost a bit of a bigger opportunity and more exciting
I just hope we can get people to understand the sense of urgency around it because
Because we are facing on the other hand people that are now cheering on these centralized
organizations and a lot of these are Liberty people and
That that's the and I'm sure
Some of it is out of just financial self-interest and looking at the fiat gains
And a lot of it's just out of ignorance a lot of it is that there's a lot of like
I was at a free state event and people are
Everybody's excited today about the fact that New Hampshire just passed the Bitcoin strategic reserve for new for New Hampshire
And I you know, I'm just like yeah, I don't know how we I don't know how we got here
I was I I'm at Liberty Forum the event where Roger introduced a lot of these people to Bitcoin
To begin with and they're having talks about a Bitcoin strategic reserve
So the people so Ian who introduced Roger to Bitcoin and Roger introduced everybody else to Bitcoin
Ian's in prison Roger's facing a hundred nine years and these guys are celebrating as a big win
The fact that we're using civil asset forfeiture and wanting to use taxpayer theft at the national level and at the state level to
Pump their surveillance Bitcoin bags. It's very frustrating. Yeah
Yeah, and you know, a lot of this this shit with the maxis are celebrating like, you know
The whole thing it's just you know, it's again the state will try to co-opt every movement that that it can
Any movement that it uses a threat it will try to co-opt
But we will continue advancing and that's the thing about Zeno is that it's sort of
It's the culmination of our efforts to put to guard against that
But you know, you talk about the sense of urgency
Once they pass those stablecoin bills and people realize that tether
you know and all those other, you know
coins are
Or
Sort of just tools of the financial industrial complex then you're gonna see a sort of flood into
Privacy coins. This is I'm telling you right now. The only thing I'm putting money into at this point is
Basically Zeno, but I have a privacy coins in general privacy technology in general
because I expect
The war on crypto to ramp up and CBDCs are just a part of that people think Trump is, you know
Great for crypto we I did a space with Joel and Dash about, you know, what's how do we grade Trump's performance on crypto?
And there was a I was in the minority that was like me and Kurt
Wuckert who said that he was bad for crypto everybody else thought he was great
So once he puts out the CBDCs, we'll see if their opinions change, you know
Yeah, no, I mean he's been he's been he has been bad. I wish
You know that that's the kind of conversation I
This is that thing that you all yeah, I couldn't make it for that guy was just sometimes I'm feeling so tired on this fast, but
Yeah, no he's been horrible for it, right? So what's legal mean coins are illegal, but you still can't buy tokens or equity using
I can't use
You keep security tokens without all this onerous stuff all and people have to read the stable and genius bills
If you don't want to read it just throw it through AI. It's all KYC AML
Tracking and and anti-money laundering and stuff. So there's
Like what so what is the win? I mean that people are are trying to use the state to buy Bitcoin that Trump himself
Is launched meme coins or this world
People should be able to do whatever they want, but there is a certain degree where if you are president
You're using you know your platform and you know taxpayer money to promote your scam project
That's probably not a great great example to be leading with and there are people buying into this the world financial thing is a scam
I mean these things are you know, they're pathetic projects
I mean you might as well have you know Jake Paul or whoever some of these other influences are pushing
The hot to it's it's it's it's actually worse. I would say it's the same except it's worse because it's actually in a bigger scale
And it's completely protected. There's there's no accountability for it whatsoever. And so people are being duped
Into meme coins. So this is one of the things that I want to say is you know
People are celebrating well stable coins are about adoption or these meme coins are about adoption
Well the adoption of what the adoption of Ponzi schemes the adoption of of of surveillance
currency
That's not adoption, right? You can't say well people are doing the thing that's 180 degrees
Away from the thing that we're trying to do but at least they're doing the absolute wrong thing. That means there's adoption
That's a ridiculous argument
And this is the argument that people seem to be making over and over again
We need to be adopting the things that actually
Promote freedom and promote privacy and these other things are not substitutes for it or even entre points to
You know, you're not going to go from buying
Melania coin to moving into zeno. That's not like an adoption path. And so
Different people though to the people buying Melania coin are just trying to get rich quick
The people in zeno are the ones actually trying to change the world and use tools to create freedom in their own lives
So, you know, it's like, you know, like you said last time hill trump will
Let the hot tool girl run pull all of her, you know, instagram followers
But Ian Freeman and Roger veer get persecuted. You know what I mean? So how how how benevolent is he in regards to cryptocurrency?
I would say none whatsoever
Even even if your goal is to pump bags
He's been bad for that as well, right crypto's been down. So
Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm it's it's the point has never been
Let's try to get, you know, the state to acquiesce to our
financial tools
The point has always been to create financial tools that the state cannot acquiesce to
Like the idea is not to get them on board
But to shove them off the side of the boat, right? That's the whole point of what we're doing here
Like I think a lot of people lose focus when they see
Their their wallet weighs up, you know
5% or 10% or something like that they sort of get excited and they forget about the the original point
Of what we're doing here. So
What's not lose focus is the only thing I'm trying to say here
um, yep
All right, man, let's wrap it up. We've got about five minutes left
But uh, if there's anything you want to promote or tell anybody about by the way, we're real quick. You're on day 37
Yeah, okay. So when this airs, we're talking on tuesday tomorrow
You actually when the audience is watching this guys, you'll it'll actually be on day 38 of the fast
um
Again, literally the modern day Gandhi of our time
Aaron day, I I appreciate you man. What do you want to tell them about?
Um, not nothing I nothing other than, you know, what we've what we've already talked about
I mean, I I'm at daylight freedom.org you can you can check that out and I have information there about cbdc
These and you know my
Book and different things workshops that may be coming up. There's a section there on the 40 day fast
To raise awareness to rogers situation. I have a new version of my book coming out. In fact, it's already available on
Zano Bay. It's the only place you can you can get it. It's an updated
Version I updated the book to have a specific focus on privacy, which I didn't have two years ago when I wrote wrote the initial
Version and um, other than that, you know, I have karma and a point of sale system coming up
But there's there's nothing more to say about that. The only other thing I would say is I really encourage people to come to pork fest
Uh, which I think is june the 16th through the 22nd
And there's going to be a big privacy focus tent there for the for the entire week. It's the biggest tent
I'm co-sponsoring it with uh, dugtumen and minaretopia, but we're going to have a ton of
Talks related to zeno. In fact, zeno and confidential layer are two of the biggest sponsors
So it's going to be not only a lot of talks, but just hands-on
Applications and use and this is where I'm going to roll out, you know
A crude version of my point of sale system so that people can actually
Buy things using zeno at at pork fest. Usually there are a couple thousand people there. So I'm hoping this uh
You mentioned before 2013 energy. I hope we bring the kind of the roger
We actually bring roger himself back to pork fest. So I encourage everybody to if you can make it come to pork fest because
Uh, you're going to be able to really experience this stuff hands-on and some of the zeno team is going to be there
And so it's going to be it's going to be a lot of fun. So last time we spoke real quick
I don't need to keep dragging this on but real quick
Last time we spoke we spoke about pork fest
and I went to go uh
book
My tickets and whatnot and you have to have a site
But I don't I'm not sure there are any sites available on the pork fest or on the
website for roger's campground. It says all sites are booked
And uh, so I said all right. I'll go to airbnb. I'll book an airbnb the nearest airbnb is like
You know because it's a pretty rural spot
So I'm still trying to figure out what the hell I'm going to do because I I have to get up there somehow one way or another
Yeah, I mean, I would try airbnb or verbo verbo verbo. Okay
Yeah, that I think that's where we've ended up booking from although we're still like 10 miles out
I it is true that it's there aren't a lot of great
Options like immediately close by so you might have to to drive. I can't believe all the sites are booked roger's is a
huge campground
I'm surprised about that too. I've never seen the whole place booked up like that
I've you know, even the times when I've been there back in the day when it was
You know a shit ton of people there was still like the last two rows of the campground area were sort of
Uh, a little bit less full. Um, but that's what the website says give them a call
I haven't called them yet. I should do that now when we when we get done here
But that's what the web is that what roger said or what the pork fest
So if you go to the website for roger's campground
It says on the home page like all portfest sites are booked or something along those lines
Wow, okay, which is honestly shocking. I I should I
Call them to to to double check guys. I don't want to give you false information because that doesn't sound right to me
but that's that's what it said
so, uh
Yeah, okay, I'll look all into the out all ping that organizer and and actually confirm that
Yeah, and I will um, I'll check out verbo. So you're 10 miles out
Yeah, 10 miles out or 10 or 15 minutes out. I can't remember which one it is. We're we're way over somewhere else
I you know, I come up with my wife and then I my my son and then my my daughter will come for part of it
So he they're twins. They're going to be turning 15
So and then another another friend of mine comes in so we we usually get a big kind of house with a
Oh, and all that other stuff so that we've got a
centralized base and then I
And then I you know, I I drive up my wife drives up and we bring a lot of supplies
So we're bringing the Zeno merch and all that other stuff. So we oh, yeah hunker down
Well, god willing I will uh, see you there, but regardless I will see you
Later this week for uh week damn in Amsterdam
Oh
Yeah, absolutely, um
And just know I will be I so when you first see me
I'm going to be I'm exhausted and and and my breath stinks
I'm telling you I'm warning you that up front because there's nothing I can do about it. It's not as the case with me. Don't worry about it
So so so if you know the initial interaction is going to be me kind of like half dead with with horrible breath
But I'll be okay after I break the fast. So there's no you'll see two versions of me
And I appreciate it, brother
Yeah, all right, I'll see you. Have a good one. Bye
All right
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Because things are just that bad, you know, everyone needs this information people need to know about sound cryptocurrencies
That are actually private by default and to know how to properly use crypto
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and um, man, um,
Let me uh,
Ask i'm gonna challenge rafael since we you know, we really hype and mr
X up if you can uh, sort of do your best, uh, mr
X impression see that
It's not gonna like to be the same because the best thing about these guys is that they often butt heads is
Maybe you guys didn't hear me say when my audio was cutting out
But I used to have the privilege of when I worked closely with them on their team
To you know, be a part of just conversations between the three of us sometimes and I would hear them arguing back and forth
About you know, the nerdiest crypto stuff that like, you know
More than half of it would go over my head but but I would soak in and I would learn
And um, and that's what I thought you guys were going to be treated to tonight
But we're gonna have to try it again. Um, sal if uh, if we're not all fired after tonight, um, we'll see but
No, raf uh raf is the first guest to actually be uh returned on the show
Actually on the same day. No as erin day. So erin day, which we weren't sure if we're gonna have that video because sal
Got it to us the last minute
But we did get to see that interview and then uh raf and erin day the first two guests who
Come back on the show for a second time. Um, and raf doing it as a as a co-host with us
So this has been really fun. Um, yeah, I mean she's with all the uh
Technical stuff the time has flown by and yeah, I'm trying to delay out there a little but yeah
Yeah, yeah, so um, we still appreciate you guys joining us. I see the number still ticking up here. Um,
So welcoming guys anyone that's just just joining us
Rock on um
Before uh, I challenge uh adam to uh, you know go to anything from um from the show notes or the weekly sort of current events
Uh, that we know we may or may not touch on um
Let me just go to to raf and uh, what I was gonna say is if you can
Challenge yourself to sort of do your best, uh, either if you want to do
Sort of a mr. X sort of uh, I think they did kind of hear him for a little bit
um, but just kind of give us a little bit of um, uh an understanding of why
You and him are you know, the guys that lead the crypto vigilante
Um
Well
I was gonna do an impression of him, but I think you guys heard him
He uses a voice this guy's or anytime he talks on the phone. So it sounds something like hey guys
How are you? I love Monero
That's pretty much mr. X in a nutshell and uh, yeah, he's a he's a cool dude. I mean, um
Our team is pretty eclectic. Like I said, we have uh, we're all bitcoin og's and uh
We do with this because we love to do this and we want to stay sharp and we
We just are this is our vocation. So mr. X is uh, is is a
digital cash uh maximalist
And for him the most important thing is having privacy by default at the protocol level
Because that is the only way you have true of a fungible
uh digital cash and so
That's that's like his go-to and and I think the world the world is finally catching up
And we see how Monero is performing well in the markets
And how the Monero community is becoming the safe haven to for for
For everyone that actually needs to use crypto in a way that uh respects their sovereignty. So it's just it's uh, it's a good dynamic and um
I think
Beyond that, um, the crypto vigilante focuses on
On making money and preserving your wealth. So our our personal opinions of crypto when it comes to
The actual fundamentals of the cryptocurrency
Um, they're they're important in teaching you what is importing about crypto
What it is that we're talking about but there are aspects of crypto there are aspects to to bitcoin
That regard more of preserving your wealth and using these
Cryptocurrencies as investment vehicles to profit and make more money. So we really focus on that and uh
I think I think from
In the recent times that has been what our subscribers have enjoyed most about the crypto vigilante that emphasis and
and beyond that the the emphasis on
Our precious metals and the overall market that we get from the dollar vigilante
that that is extremely valuable because
Our subscribers don't only get
Uh, a very eclectic
well-rounded perspective on cryptocurrency, but they also get to see how cryptocurrency
um
It best sits within a world of investing that comes from an austrian economics perspective
so
It's it's not just crypto for its sake, but it's also crypto with an understanding of the overall market
And how to position yourself as an investor
Within that overall all framework
Yeah, absolutely, uh, which is so important, you know, the holistic
You know everybody is just coming at it from their singular like angle and um, and that's what's so valuable about that
You know the power of that those those three pillars of operation op sec
fundamental analysis technical analysis and then the fact that you know
These you're always budding heads with your own team. Uh, you didn't surround yourself with an echo
You have to you have to um, you're supposed to because the worst thing has has happened in crypto history
And in general and all of crypto wherever you go in crypto is is that that hasn't been fostered
You go to different crypto communities and they're very tribal
So the entire crypto space is very tribal
So it's very good to see
It's very good for real good to see that we have a network at the crypto vigilante where
We have every different analyst every analyst coming to to to to embrace the crypto space from a different perspective
So it is not an echo chamber
We definitely don't waste time on things that are fluff
But it's um, we because we want to respect the space, but we but we do
We do open up to dialogue freely about those things that are most important
So we have big blockers small blockers
We even have tiny blockers now, right? Because there's like a little there's a civil war happening in btc between small blockers and tiny blockers
and
And so having that those discussions within an environment that is respectful where everyone
Is open is welcome to disagree with one another is very healthy
And what has happened over the years is that this environment has created an atmosphere where
We really find ourselves becoming smarter in embracing the the entire space because
we have
As an individual you can't really
You know embrace the totality of crypto crypto is multidisciplinary and interdisciplinary. So it's it's
you you know one person can be an expert at marketing at memetics at
um
technical analysis fundamental analysis at the same time for them to be able to be a cryptographer that understands
Cryptography and what tools to actually use when and where and how the best event of blockchain like you really need a team for this
And and we were able to put together
In my opinion the most all-star badass team
And you can get a taste of it if you sign up for a free newsletter at crypto vigilante.io
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So yeah, it's a it's an environment that is very unique
And I honestly don't know of another environment like that in crypto and I honestly don't know how other people do it in crypto
Because you don't know who to trust in crypto. That's the real problem in crypto. You don't know who to trust
And the fact that you know, we have people that are out in the open like myself and jeff burwick
You know our reputations are on the line and we and you guys can hold this accountable
In making sure that we're giving you guys
Our best in teaching you about these technologies and these markets and providing you guys with the most objective research possible
Our goal is to be as objective as possible regarding all of these networks and all of these
crypto
Investments that are out there
Yeah, absolutely. Dude, uh, you mentioned when we were talking about this last minute, uh, you know helping us co-host
You're like, should I invite jeff? I'm like, uh, hell. Yeah, but wait
No, imagine if he was here for this shit show trying to deal with it with us
No, we're gonna definitely get jeff burwick on as you know in interview with sal
In hopefully near future. That would be incredible. But um, no, it's it's it's incredible
Like, uh, it's one of those things the tcv
Membership or the the the service whatever you guys offer
It's really a community, right? Because I was gonna say it's one of those things where, uh, some people like
You find out like what you get right when you join, right?
Because immediately when you become a member you get access to like all their reports that go back
You know for years since the since the uh decades now. Yeah. Yeah, since it's launched
Decades. No, it's been well. Yeah, the
Well, well, that's the crypto vigilante
But the dollar vigilante, which uh told their subscribers to buy bitcoin at like two dollars
That stands back to 2011 and we have that all of that archive
So it's uh, that's right. And this is what i'm saying. It's like you don't know who to trust on the internet
I look at commercials on the internet now and i'm like, do I can I even trust like is this even a person?
Or is this some sort of agent? You know, has that happened to you item?
I literally it was a AI thing. I get a youtube ad that keeps popping up and it's like some AI guy
And he's like saying i'm the only person who publishes all my trades or whatever and i'm like
This is literally a fake guy and yeah, like it's really hard to distinguish now
Yeah, it's wow scary. What i was gonna say is that um people will join the tcv because you know
They want access to like the latest uh newsletter sometimes, right that came out and then like, you know
It's one of those things where you think uh, you're gonna get access to a bunch of stuff, right when you join
So then, you know, you can just cancel after and you've got all the resources, right?
But then when they join the telegram group, uh, that is when you realize like holy crap
This is a whole another ongoing real-time
live, uh, like community that is like on the pulse
24 seven around the clock from all over the world a few thousand people in there that you know are learning from each other
Even, you know and then discussing all the the content you guys put out and and it's just a
Community of of the level of scrutiny that i've never seen anywhere else in crypto, um, right other than like maybe the monero community itself
um
But that yeah that that even within monero if you go to a monero forum
They only talk about monero and everything else is a shit coin, right, right? So for us, it's like, um
It's been really hard for me personally because i've had to move from
Like i've really had to step up my game a lot over time
where
I've you know, we the crypto vigilante
We had we have had like this ongoing discussion on very important and intelligent high-level topics
but then this thing just aside like
Side swipe me which was wait a minute. We have to take into account
This was like my big revelation about two years ago
two or three years ago, which was
We live in a world of stupid people people that are npcs people that don't know anything about this and people that have been indoctrinated
To follow orders and not think for themselves
And they are the ones that are now coming into crypto their opinions and their outlooks matter
Therefore their perspective has to be incorporated
within our assessment of the space and that to me was shocking because
Uh, I realized I realized that at that point in time
Bitcoin and crypto graduated to mainstream and when it graduated to mainstream now you have to the money coming into crypto is
the money coming into crypto is money that um
That that that comes with all of these antics and way of thinking so it's um
And so for example someone in the comic section just talked about how privacy breeds corruption
You see like if that right there
Is a topic of conversation of which I can put on a hat and agree with that person
And I can put on the other hat and say well, you know what it's it's uh
I can argue for the opposite the reality is is that these technologies are just all tools
To be used by individuals and there will be good people using these tools and bad people using these tools
And in between, you know all across whatever spectrum there will be these are just tools, you know, you can kill someone with a hammer
or
You can build a house with a hammer
so
Yeah, so I value transparency and blockchains. I also value privacy and blockchains. I value both
It's not in either or it's both and they're all different tools
To be used in their proper place
so
For example, we were talking about xeno xeno has a great use cases
but I also see value value in
In transparent blockchains now mr. X and other analysts don't see as much value in transparent blockchains
I do because there are some use cases in the market
Where you need transparency to hold people accountable
So it's these are all just use cases guys for different people
and
And so our goal at the crypto vigilantes is to really present all of these things
And for you guys to personalize your experience in real time
So that's that's really our goal goal. Our goal is one of like
education and so
Since bitcoin and crypto
In the innovation of it has sped up exponentially
We're at the point now where
A monthly newsletter and a weekly ta is almost not enough
Because things are that fucking crazy. So we're at the point now where
We have to be as analysts readily available for questions in real time at the you know, whenever
Because things happen out of nowhere and there's new innovation now people are using ai to even
Uh develop code even if they're you know, they're not coders themselves if they're not programmers themselves
Creating apps is readily available to everyone now through ai
so the development of crypto and the adoption of crypto is exponential at this point and
People are beginning to experience future shock
Which is the idea that they're becoming overwhelmed by all of this technology
You know, that's what have you guys heard of the term future shock?
Yeah, I recommend reading alvin toughler. He's a big proponent of this
He's the guy that came up with this term and it's the idea that
Technology is going to be growing so fast that you're not even going to know it's going to be nauseating
It's going to be really hard to keep up and we're already there and so
If you're if you're just someone coming into crypto and I mean, it's just overwhelming
I don't I do not know how people do it and I've seen it happen in various communities where
There's someone who gains the trust of the community
And then before you know it the community starts realizing like oh, shit
This guy is actually using us as exit real liquidity
That is something very common
And people get upset because of that
And it's it's it's it's uh
It's really it's something sad man. It really is sad
But when you have a team see this is the difference when you have a team
Where the team all disagrees which is the dynamic of tcv
And everyone all of the analysts come at crypto from different perspectives
And they're all tackling different topics in crypto and the bottom line is to preserve
capital to preserve a value
and and also to
Make money
Then it doesn't matter what your prefer crypto network is
What matters is to look out for the well-being of the of the environment you're in to get and to always strive for
Objectivity as much as possible
And and and and there goes my example that all of a sudden I found myself like okay
We're very we our conversation is very high level
But now we have to take take into account all of this money that's coming into crypto
through
Through wall street for example and etfs people that are are completely illiterate about austrian economics
People that don't care about the liberty movement people that are that are just of a completely different mindset
And you have to take into account these NPCs coming in and their
Their mindset because they affect the market and what they choose affects the market as well
So you have to factor everything in um even the stupidity of the masses now
And that is that is that to me has been a challenge, but it's been really good to have
um the team that I have that has been able to watch my back
In making sure that we're you know, the dynamic we have always focus on being as objective as possible
and so um
It's just crazy to me how how like how many winning trades like for example
Our technical analysts have like all the time all the time they're calling things
As it happens, you know way before anyone in the market knows about it because even within the analysts
You'll notice that there's even like a like a healthy competition as to like
figuring out the market
and figuring out insights
And realizing things about the market before before even the other analysts on the team
Which creates a very healthy environment
And I've had people come up to me in conferences. For example, like the last one I went to
This girl came up to me. She's like raf what you guys told us on the newsletter
Uh about two months ago
Is now just something that my friends are finally talking about
And we you guys helped us prepare for this major market shift that we just experienced way back then
So in public and when I talk in places outside of the crypto vigilante, I don't talk about my investment thesis or anything like that
I may champion certain crypto networks that I personally like
But but my for instance as an as an investor my secret sauce is the crypto vigilante
And that is and it's and it's really because I have a badass team
And and it's my honor to offer that that badass team to you guys so that you guys can
Unnourish yourself from this
You know community
We meet twice a year at an archipelago and now at Lieberpoco in europe and archipelago happens in mexico
And it's kind of like a homecoming every year. It's it's really awesome, dude. And um
I just uh, I'm just very blessed to be part of this crypto and bitcoin journey
And to have the badass team that that that i've been able to to form with jeff berwick
Of analysts and to be able to share them with you guys that to me is what's most important
And here with sal jagras as our as our affiliate partner
We want to bring this to sal's audience as well. And I look forward to you guys having different members of of our team
Sitting down with you guys and giving you guys their perspective because my perspective is just one perspective
Yes, I am the main the face of the organization, but i'm not the
um
I'm not the i'm not the brain of the organization
The brain of the organization is all of the analysts coming together. That is where the power is not just me
I'm just one of the many dudes and unfortunately today. We couldn't have mr. X on but you know, hopefully you'll have him on some other time
uh
Ed boogos jeff berwick mr. A mr. W mr. P
Mr. Z like we have a rock star fucking team, dude
Like and these guys in early bitcoin history
Um, they were very influential people, but they've changed their names for
For security reasons because these guys do it for the love of it. That's the coolest part
They do it because not they that they need need it
They they're they're in love with crypto in it and one of them once mentioned
No, dude, I love doing this because it keeps me sharp
Otherwise i'd be retired sitting around and what you know, I can only go golfing so many times a week, right?
Like like I I stay sharp, you know, so um, it's cool. It's really it's really cool. Um
and um to be able to offer this to the world then and
And and knowing that we're in an age now where like people need that human contact
Because of not knowing what the heck is going on with all this with all these machines taking over everything
The cyborg theocracy is here, right?
We are in the cyborg theocracy and everyone's looking for that
For for what they're really thirsting is that human touch and rough come again. You're gonna get the implant
Hell no bro
I'm human bro. I'm staying in pure blood all day all day
I'm detoxing all the crap in the air and the water and the
In the environment all the time, dude
When I go to anarcho polko I geek out with the health and wellness people that we bring out
Like the best alternative doctors alternative medicines
Shamans I geek out learning about from them because I'm so into technology
That when I finally am around them, I just I'm a sponge bro. I consume all that stuff too
I just want to get on to a few more things we're running out of time here. Um, I wanted to touch on
Some stuff going on in the news right now
Uh, you guys heard trumps attempting to reopen alcatraz. Just wanted to get your your opinions on that
That's a me bro
That's why I've been seeing alcatraz lately on twitter. I don't know. Do you like yeah, he's he's suggesting
They reopen it. It's it's laughable. I don't I don't see it happening. I just um
Like why is he just you know trying to
search it, you know
Piss people off. I have no I have no idea
I mean, um sal has a post up. It was a poll of uh, uh trumps first 100 days office
It was also a libertarian party put out a grade. They gave him a seat
Um, I think for his first 100 days on sal's poll. It's very, um
Balanced to be honest
Yeah, 29 percent say uh decent 19 percent excellent 25 percent sub par 25 percent terrible
So it's pretty much like a quarter across the board. It's uh, very very balanced strength to me
I want to hear your grade adam. What do you what do you grade trump? Oh, it's solid
D minus D minus may be worse to be honest
You know, I mean
Trump doesn't directly affect me on a day to day or like in his last, you know term
I was like I've never voted. I'll never vote. Um, that's just i'm not being
I'm not being part of that. Thanks on a day to day. I wasn't like he's not really
effecting me directly
This time he is, you know, like the cost of everything seems to be going up and you know, I'm sure there's there's other factors
what he's definitely um
He's made a mess of of the market right now with the tariffs and whatnot
Just silly
What about what about you ref?
I give him a I give him a D solid D like
I mean I for me, you know, the who really runs the the the world now is crypto and and and
Bitcoin bitcoin is what and crypto is what won him the election to begin with
And I think biden won because he was able to steal it because of ftx
He has remember how much ftx got in cahoots with the democratic party
Uh during that election. Well, that that's that's where they got their energy
The world is revolving around the blockchain guys. It's being consumed by something crazy. Um
ftx I found there was fortune cookies with on your fortune cookie. It was ftx
I kept seeing this pop up about you know back when that was all hype, but um, oh, yeah
Weirdest place to advertise
Um, it was finding in fortune cookies
Yeah
Yeah, and and the you know ftx tells us a story of how
Um, what the masses think is impossible to happen
Can actually happen overnight
So if you're too comfortable in crypto and you think that things are that are happening
We'll just continue to be business as usual. Uh, let me tell you something you can be surprised because if you would have told someone
A week before the collapse of ftx that ftx was gonna collapse
They would have told you were crazy
But the truth is that it did collapse and now everyone in hindsight is like, yeah, of course it collapsed
It makes total sense. Yeah, but before then if I would have told you I was gonna collapse
You wouldn't have agreed with me. You thought I was crazy
And so sometimes I make calls and I say things that the people sound crazy
and and so, um
You know and and that goes a lot for for our team and what our team has been doing at tcv. Um, but yeah, it's uh
It's crazy. What do you rate them alex? What's your what's your grade for trump?
Uh, I'll go with the libertarian party's c grading. I think that that's probably fair enough. I um, I try not to get too distracted with the politics
You know, um, I think entrepreneurship
Is a way better use of people's time
When it comes to even you know making political change, um, right, but uh, no, I I uh, I do admire those
We're fighting the good fight in the trenches. Um in all different, you know, uh angles
In terms of trying to bring about liberty
In one way or another, um
But trump is uh
To me the entertainer in chief, uh, he's
You know like, uh, obama was like the first celebrity in chief
Uh, and then um, now we've got that just like there's no going back. I think you have to be a celebrity now
Um to be to be a president. I think like it's like the standard has been set. Yeah, it's had a precedent, you know
Yeah, we live in a tv, you know era post truth now with all this stuff. It's just like
Um, how much attention can you get right? It's it's fully an attention economy. Um
And uh, I don't know man. Um, but uh, we are gonna have uh, brian mcwilliams on a future episode
He is the communications chair at the libertarian party. Uh, and I've been trying to tell sal
It would be fun to get a little bit of a sort of a libertarian versus anarchist debate going
Um, and maybe we'll get uh, our boy steven the kala from down there in the key west
Who's the chairman of the libertarian party? Um, because that's a always a classic, uh debate
You know get a little spicy in here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
um, so sal wished, uh
Hal finney a happy birthday the other day. Uh, he posted
Uh, how finney's picture and he said happy birthday satoshi
Um, and he said this on on a previous episode, uh, how finney, you know, the guy that, you know, is most likely satoshi
Um, which no, no, no, he's not but sure. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know which is funny. I'll tell you this
This is my my thing on satoshi ready
Go ahead
Everyone that think everyone that people think is satoshi
Is is not on the satoshi list. Why let me tell you why because they're they're they're their thing is well
satoshi reached out to them
if you
Have an inner circle and you have to reach out to anyone
You're only reaching out to those who are outside the inner circle get it
Right. So add them back all of these guys, uh, how finney all of these guys marmalade all those guys
He reached out to them. He spoke to them. He hit there's emails correspondence with them
Because why did he reach out to them and try to explain bitcoin to them and have conversations?
So because they were not inside his inner circle
If you were inside of your his inner circle, he never reached out to you you get it
Okay, which you're saying how finney was in his inner circle
No, he wasn't because he reached out to help finney
Oh, he reached out. But but well, I thought how finney was just one of the first people to respond
Uh, exactly because
But why is he why is it if I go to a forum?
If I go to a forum and I put something out and i'm reaching out to someone then I start explaining to that person something
um
That's someone who's outside my inner circle because my inner circle already knows what i'm working on. Does that make sense?
Right, right. They're my homies. They're at home with me. Right. I wouldn't I wouldn't I don't I'm not gonna waste my time
Rehashing the same conversations. I'm having with them here
Out there
so no
Anyone satoshi reached out to and had conversations with out in the open in any form or any email
Was not part of team satoshi. They were outside of the inner circle
Right, okay. Uh speaking prove me wrong. Yeah. No, well, it's like, you know
He probably had
20 other banshees, you know
It'd be like layers of of you know deception to try to make it seem like he was having conversations with himself and
How finney obviously denied that he was satoshi. His wife denied it
No, not really bro
Not really not really because there's uh, there is there are people who are very close to the architecture of bitcoin
Who you never hear people talk about
They're never out there and i'll give you an example of the two guys who are most quoted in the bitcoin white paper
They were quoted. They were cited three times
Okay, way die was cited once uh adam back was cited once
Uh, and then some other dude was cited once but there's two dudes
Haber and stornetta who were the creators of the first blockchain ever
They were cited three times on the bitcoin white paper and notice how nobody talks about them
Yeah, it's harsh mom's the word mom's the word about those guys
Why and this is my question to everyone anytime someone wants me to focus some somewhere
Why do they want me to focus in that direction? What are they trying to keep me from looking at in this direction?
Whenever someone tells me hey bro, don't you know, you shouldn't study that or they shame me for even talking about a certain topic
That's what i'm gonna go study
That's how you're an independent thinker
Dude and if you have
If you're an independent the the key to profit is what i tell my subscribers
I'm gonna give you guys is having differential knowledge
If you don't have differential knowledge, you're you're just another sheep amongst the masses
That will never be profitable because you're you're just doing and living what others are saying
What the what they want what they're feeding you you have to really think for yourself
For sure. I knew it was coming differential knowledge
He's got all these like coined terms. I feel like that. I only ever heard here from raff
One of them earlier fullness of bitcoin people were putting in the chat
The other one I heard you drop was uh, you know the the crypto is a toolbox different tools for different purposes
Like there's all these great analogies that that you give that some of them don't even really sink in until I hear you say
I'm 10 times and then it just like clicks one day, but um, no, I I love talking to you raff
It's been it's been awesome. I know
Adam might be looking at the russian alex behind the camera and wondering if they're going to make the
In time for wherever they go get their after party a beer special at but
One thing let me pull up that that you reminded me was sal sent me before the show tonight
um a link that he went back and forth with
Craig right
On twitter, let me just see if you can guys can see this sal posted now whatever it's got the
He posted a cbdc
meme with the my tank man background
With the tanks are the cbdcs and then the tank man right there. You can see him
Is the zano logo? So that was the meme that sal posted
And he triggered a response from craig right's twitter account or s tomanaga who
Is apparently craig right that's a comedian, right? He's a comedian though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, who knows
Craig bought three thousand and they went back and forth a few times
And it's a great thread that I was thinking maybe of reading on the show and and getting your guys's reaction
But anyway, you know, we'll save it because sal actually messaged me is like, hey, maybe we can bring craig on the show
I see he follows you you should hit him up and invite him
So that would be pretty epic
Because those interviews don't happen all too often, but they're they're always entertaining as well
The man who claims to be satoshi nakamoto or the only man in the world who is legally not satoshi nakamoto
How do you square those together to me? That's a pretty eyebrow raising, but
Yeah, uh, let's see anything else we need to cover before we sort of wind down here you guys
I would go all night here. Yeah, especially since we lost a little time here, but yeah, um
I
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I can tell them guys to follow me. I've not been streaming
I'm kind of slacken right now. I'm on twitter then. Yeah, follow me on twitter though guys at um irish adam gaming
You can catch me over there
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Yeah, and helping me hold down the fort here while that sal's off fighting the good fight
It was it was a lot of fun guys. Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed my time
Awesome, man. Thank you raff. Uh, thanks everybody. Cheers you guys. We'll see you next week
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